Editorial note: Frequent TOO contributor Tom Sunic replies to Joel Stern’s letter to several writers associated with TOO and TOQ. (For Stern’s letter, see Alex Kurtagic’s “Narcissism” blog which also comments on Stern.)
Dear Mr. Stern:
Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your concern for the future of the Jewish people, and I’d also like to extend my condolences regarding the loss of your family .
Of course, I speak in my own name, not on behalf of my TOO colleagues, all of them being outstanding intellectuals and tolerant people. I hope you have read Prof. MacDonald’s work — in which you won’t find any Jew baiting, but rather serious analyses of this most important issue of our times.
Any lumping together of Christian identitarians and National Alliance hotheads with TOO is groundless.
I respect your concerns for the real or hypothetical attacks on your victimhood. But I also expect from you some respect for my own, including respect for the historical memory of my people and my race — wherever they may reside. It would be commendable on your part to extend sympathies to many of my relatives who perished anonymously in communist terror after 1945. While many Jews in America take for granted that non-Jews will constantly reminisce about Jewish victimology and hypothetical threats to the Jewry, few Jews seem to be concerned with the plight of non-Jews under communism in East Europe.
The fact that Jewish intellectuals played a formidable role on the eve and during the Bolshevik seizure of power — however good or bad their intentions may have been — remains a topic that needs to be addressed in detail. This might help us avoid future mass killings and pogroms and secure, more or less, some semblance of cohabitation.
Yet, something tells me that neither myself nor yourself seriously believe in this static scenario.
One of the reasons anti-Semitism occurs is due to the lack of open debate about mutual perceptions and self-perceptions of Jews vs. non-Jews. Hatred of Jews is prevalent among those who mimic Semitism, people who subconsciously try to be more Jewish than Jews themselves. This is part and parcel of ‘genealogical proximity’, between Christians and Jews, and which has historically resulted in mutual hatred. This is a neurotic dilemma of a person wishing to replace his Sameness by someone else’s, i.e. Jewish/Christian Otherness. The classic example of this neurotic mindset are Christian Zionists.
Your concerns reflect standard self-induced fears and self-fulfilling prophecies about anti-Semitic demons — who, as a rule, must sooner or later materialize. The demon architects are not those you suspect of anti-Semitism, but those who claim to be your friends now.
Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Sunic
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I suspect that an apology is also due from the Jewish community in regards to the mass exploitation of young White women in pornography, the countless White lives exterminated before realization through Jewish-incited abortion and feminist movements, the White children denied existence through Hollywood’s pushing of miscegenation and its unintended effects such as the propulsion of disillusioned and forsaken young white men to direct their procreative urges towards Oriental women, the rampant promiscuity, degraded characters, and alcoholism found among White youth, and much, much, more, touching upon such low bases of humanity that are often dredged by the long fingers of Jews.
Of course these things do not have the same quantitative evidence pointing towards the source of Jewdom, but only God knows the true numbers. Compounded with the millions killed under Jewish communism and Jewish-fueled wars, I would not be surprised if the numbers totaled near a billion and a half.
To the extent Jews are guilty, of anything, they should be held accountable, and I more than applaud the efforts of TOO and others to expose them in a civil, articulate, but direct and unflinching manner.
But just because they are bad it doesn’t automatically make us good.
I don’t see how it helps us to blame everything on them as if we have nothing at all to do with it.
What was it, is it, in us that has made our current dilema possible?
Kevin MacDonald has taken some steps to answer this but then, at least as far as I understand him, when it comes to the question of “Is it Murder or Suicide” he says it’s Murder. This is to look at the matter in terms of Guilt or Innocence, solely.
Instead of just Guilty or Innocent I prefer to look at the matter in terms of Healthy or Unhealthy. And I think it’s obvious that Whites are in an Unhealthy state that can not be entirely blamed on Jews. In fact, the attempt to do so is not an answer to the problem, it’s a symptom.
Lord Acton’s All Power Corrupts Absolutely has helped give Power a bad name and is misleading.
ONLY Power has the opportunity to behave responsibly, morally, by using its position to engage in problem-solving as it relates to the all important question of how we’re going to live together (Whites).
It’s not power that is bad, it’s anything that operates in the realm of the absolute, completely above criticism.
I think that a careful look at Western culture, European culture, White culture makes it obvious that both Communism and Facism are childish in their grasp of our problem and even more childish in their solutions.
And I am getting more than a whiff of facism from those who want to blame everything on Jews by automatically applying a “Them Bad – Us Good” template.
I just don’t see how it helps.
“Instead of just Guilty or Innocent I prefer to look at the matter in terms of Healthy or Unhealthy. And I think it’s obvious that Whites are in an Unhealthy state that can not be entirely blamed on Jews. ”
It appears that Whites are in a state of neurotic guilt.
As an Evolutionary Psychologist Professor Macdonald has in some way attempted to offer a treatment solution to the unhealthy situation Whites are in through the agency of psychotherapy! Check out this paragraph length excerpt:
” One might think that just as the prefrontal control areas can inhibit ethnocentric impulses originating in the subcortex, we should be able to inhibit these primitive guilt feelings. After all, the guilt feelings ultimately result from absolutely normal attitudes of ethnic identity and interests that have been delegitimized as a result of the erection of the culture of critique in the West. It should be therapeutic to understand that this culture was instituted by people who typically retained a strong sense of their own ethnic identity and interests. And it should help assuage guilt feelings if we understand that this culture is now maintained by people seeking material advantages and psychological approval at the expense of their own ethnic interests. The guilt feelings are nothing more than the end result of ethnic warfare, pursued at the level of ideology and culture instead of on the battlefield.
Getting rid of guilt and shame, however, is certainly not an easy process. Psychotherapy for white people begins with an explicit understanding of the issues that allows us to act in our interests, even if we can’t entirely control the negative feelings engendered by those actions.”
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/psychology_and_white_ethnocentrism/
This is some powerful stuff! I have heard that some Radical Behaviorists (Skinner?) advocated having psychologists stationed throughout society and if these folks were focused on the positive work of psychotherapy for Whites aimed at ending White Guilt complexes then alot of problems could be solved.
To T.C. Spencer:
I must admit, I almost laughed out loud at your blog posting above. The “low bases of humanity that are often dredged by the long fingers of Jews”–what a precious bouquet of overblown purple prose replete with mixed metaphors but utterly devoid of coherence. It’s reassuring to know, however, that said “low bases” (?) are not ALWAYS dredged up by long semitic fingers, that Spencer graciously leaves some of them to be exploited now and then by other ethnies (Somalis, Haitians, Turks, Buryats, Chechens, mestizos, other non-Aryan types. perhaps? Never by Nordics, of course; they never peruse pornography and would never have procreative urges toward seductive Asian temptresses were it not for those confounded Jews, who divert healthy Aryan drives into perverrted channels. By the way, could it have been Israeli pimps who procured Elin Nordgren for Tiger Woods? This is a matter that surely deserves serious discussion on a separate TOO blog..
Getting down to more substantive matters, however, I have reflected quite awhile upon Spencer’s “reasoning” in the context of the comments offered up by many other persons who have expressed themselves regarding my question about the Jews living in your societies. It is my conclusion that Mr. Spencer is a throwback (most certainly an unknowing one) to the Manicheans or perhaps Gnostics, who perceived the world in absolute hues of black and white, i.e. the material world was created the devil or similar evil spirit, while the spiritual world is a realm of light fashiloed by a pure deity and is unsullied by corporeality. Alfred Rosenberg, in his opus “Myth of the Twentieth Century,” (so turgid that supposedly Hitler himself couldn’t bear to read it), which besides “Mein Kampf” became sort of an unofficial bible in Nazi Germany, appropriated that dualistic belief for his own purposes, contrasting the dark satanic Jews with the people of the light, his Aryan heroes who would usher in a millenarian utopia free of Jews and other sordid untermenschen.
Analzying the specific “content” of Spencer’s message, which does not offer so much as one iota of corroborative, easily accessible evidence for its broad-brush accusations, it s clear to me that he also subscribes to this Manichean weltanschauung. The medieval devil (as in Rosenberg’s foggy Teutonic prose) become transmogrified into a long-fingered Jew who surreptiously drives “forlorn” Aryan youth into every manner of vice–alcoholism, watching smutty Hollywood movies, miscegnatiion with Oriental seductresses, abortion, feminism, promiscuity, the white slave trade, etc. etc. etc. Why did he leave out rock and roll, jazz, atonal music, hip-hop, rap, heavy metal and other unwholesome non-Aryan music, for which, I feel certain, he also blames Jewish media manipulators who cunningly use black musicans to create “degraded characters,” (using Spencer’s eloquent term). In this conenction, I am reminded of the Nazi cartoon where a black saxophone player caricatured with exaggeratedly thick lips, kinky hair, and flat nose is depicted wearing a Star of David on his chest. Were Coleman Hawkins and Lester Young creatures of a foul Jewish conspiracy to corrupt Aryan Kultur? I’d like to see a blog on that particular subject as well.
With Spencer, the sinister Jew who poisoned wells in the Middle Ages to cause the Black Plague among his Christian neighbors has gained modern trappings. But underneath he remains the same malevolent fiend.
The total sum of all this Jew-inspired (if not directed) infamy, in Spencer’s mind-numbing estimate, could run as high as one and a half billion innocent victims May I humbly inqure how you came up with this figure, Mr. Spencer? And, supposing that you can prove it’s correct (I won’t be carping enough to expect an exact figure, that would be so unreasonable and Jewish of me; just be within a few hundred million or so gentile victims), what is the logical conclusion to be drawn? For your racial kinsmen and for the Jews? Please be as direct and specific as possible, without the over-ripe metaphors.
I hope that at least ONE person who reads these lines will be sane enough to realize the implications of Spencer’s ideas. For if you all accept them enthusisastically or even without comment, I know what conclusions I can draw on my own.
However, I don’t count on any kind of critical response on your part to Spencer’s jeremiad. Not a single one of you bothered to express alarm or even concern when the appropriately named “Heinous Heath (nomen omen) unabashedly confessed that Himmler was his “favorite National Socialist”–the same lunatic who caused untold suffering among millions of your own racial kinsmen through deliberate starvation, kidnapping, slave labor, medical experiments, mass executions, sterilization and euthanasia of those adjudged unworthy of existence in the glorious Reich (Leben unwertes Leben, for those of you who know the language of “Das Herrvolk”). I won’t mention the suffering his sadistic myrmidons inflicted on non-Aryan peoples, since that would obviously be of litte interest to you.
This will be my last posting. I’m quite sure Ive expressed my views clearly enough for you to understand me, and I believe I understand your position as well. Prolongation of this exchange would be pointless.
There is no Jewish question. There is only a Jewish problem and it has an easy solution. We set professional work limits on everybody according to race and ethnicity. We take control of the Presidency and of the Congress after first re-affirming our ethno-racial European-American socio-cultural and political identities.
We are Columbians philosophically, culturally and historically. We are Americans according to the 19th-century doctrine of Manifest Destiny. We are a European American people and some of us are Spanish American with roots in the American Southwest and in Northern Mexico.
Con vivencia y derecho,
Luis Magno
Long live Christopher Columbus!
¡Qué viva Cristóbal Colón!
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