Kevin MacDonald: The Genteel Mr. Bradlaugh

I agree with everything in Christopher Donovan’s blog on Bradlaugh’s take on the AmRen cancellation. But a couple of things Bradlaugh wrote stick in my craw. It used to be that Jews complained about genteel anti-Semites. Now we have people like Bradlaugh who spout genteel philo-Semitism: He complains about “the antisemitism of the AR followers, which rubs me the wrong way. I fall in line with the long tradition of British philosemitism (Cromwell, Victoria, Lloyd George, Maggie Thatcher), and just have no patience with the other thing.” He could have included Winston Churchill who was philo-Semitic to the point of corruption.

It seems to me that anyone writing on politics has a responsibility to write honestly about the various forces that influence public policy. For Bradlaugh, it’s simply not genteel to discuss embarrassing things like Jewish power. I suppose Mearshimer and Walt rub him the wrong way as well. I had this to say about John Derbyshire, Bradlaugh’s alter ego:

Derbyshire is, apart from some minor irritations, quite uncritical about Jewish motives and influence, even when they conflict with the interests of people like himself. He implies that non-Jews should understand Jewish motivation to break down the ethnic homogeneity of their own societies while advancing the interests of Israel as an ethnostate. … Derbyshire lives in a sort of childlike world in which Jewish interests are legitimate and where Jewish attempts to pursue their interests, though they may occasionally be irritating, are not really a cause for concern much less malice. It doesn’t require an evolutionary theory to realize that good, reasonable people can have conflicts of interest, and that the results of conflicts of interest can be devastating to the side that loses.

I think that Bradlaugh’s problem is that he sees himself as genteel and that being genteel is a very good thing. (Definition: 1. Refined in manner; well-bred and polite. 2. Free from vulgarity or rudeness. 3. Elegantly stylish: genteel manners and appearance. 4. a. Striving to convey a manner or appearance of refinement and respectability. See Synonyms at polite. b. Marked by affected and somewhat prudish refinement.)

He seems very impressed with good manners, a well-rounded education, and being polite. Genteel people simply don’t discuss Jewish power and influence for fear of offending the Jews. In the same way, genteel people would not want to offend others by calling attention to their garish clothes. To do so would make one impolite and vulgar and therefore consign one to a lower order of society.

His gentility is probably also why he doesn’t resonate with AmRen’s “ethos of the South, which I don’t really … get. I wonder if a foreigner ever can get it. It’s as odd and particular, in its own way, as Tibetan Buddhism.”

The reality is that White Southerners are by far the largest identifiable group of White Americans who have held onto their culture and identity in the face of the onslaughts of the last 50 years. The White vote for Obama was nearly in the single digits in three southern states, and lopsidedly Republican in the others. White Southerners understand, at least implicitly, that it’s about racial and ethnic conflict. As the racialization of American politics continues, all Whites will tend even more in this direction. (The recent election in Massachusetts certainly supports this). Conservatives who think they can take back the country without Southern Whites are seriously deluded.

Bradlaugh’s gentility also leads him to entirely avoid framing the issue in ethnic or racial terms at all:

My own strong preference, as I argued in that debate with Jared, would be for everybody to shut up with the race business. There doesn’t seem to be much prospect of this happening, though, so it’s not hard to see the AR-ers point of view. In any case, I say again, whatever you think of that point of view, it’s a point of view. It shouldn’t be shut out of the public square; and if it is so shut out, by goons phoning in death threats to hotel employees, there ought to be a fuss made. Well, here I am on Secular Right, making a fuss as best I can. Freedom of speech! Freedom of assembly! Liberty! Liberty!

This is “proposition conservatism” at its finest. If only people would stop talking about racial and ethnic conflict, then we could frame everything in terms of principles like free speech without soiling ourselves like the AR crowd. For people like Bradlaugh, massive immigration would presumably be fine if the immigrants were all principled people like himself.

The reality, of course, is that whether or not we talk about it, racial and ethnic conflict will continue. There is no other possible outcome given that 100 million more non-Whites are to be added to the population of the US in the next few decades.

The bottom line is that no one has come up with a formula to get rid of ethnicity as a form of identity and as a vehicle of expressing interests. None seems on the horizon. And in the process of losing the ethnic battle, the society will be less and less committed to Bradlaugh’s cherished principles because, in the end, the principles of free speech, individual liberty, and the rest of the corpus of Western individualism are ethnic creations.

But people like Bradlaugh are more willing to lose the ethnic battle than to become anything less than genteel by mentioning the ethnic conflict that is at the heart of the political divisions in the US. It just wouldn’t seem proper.

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72 Comments to "Kevin MacDonald: The Genteel Mr. Bradlaugh"

  1. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    February 27, 2010 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

    “But people Bradlaugh are more willing to lose the ethnic battle than to become anything less than genteel ”

    Maybe they like to think that is the reason but fear of the personal costs may be the real motive.

    We could call that ‘implicit cowardice’

  2. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    February 27, 2010 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Many of Taylor’s harsher critics see Taylor as a philo-semite, or as a Jewish false flag.

    To me Taylor does come off like a gentleman of the old tidewater,and that a Jewish(?) conservative critic of Taylor’s sees him as a subtle anti-semite is in my opinion true. I don’t have any heartburn with that. So what?

    What don’t I get?

  3. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    February 27, 2010 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Very good points from MacDonald. I’d like to add, though, that the gentility problem also has to do with the fact that there’s no “sexy” way to talk about White vs Jewish ethnic interests. Whites need to find a new style, new ways to articulate their interests.

  4. MGLS's Gravatar MGLS
    February 27, 2010 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    He reminds me of another conservative philo-Semite, John Derbyshire

    That’s because Bradlaugh is John Derbyshire. Look at the list of contributors on the top right of the page.

  5. Anthony's Gravatar Anthony
    February 27, 2010 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    For readers not in the know, “Bradlaugh” is John Derbyshire (see the ‘Contributors’ sidebar at secularright.org).

  6. February 27, 2010 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @MGLS you may have ferreted out who “Bradlaugh” is, his wife is ChiCom and he has two mixed race daughters. His obeisance to the tribe makes me wonder if he, himself, isn’t part Jewish.

    The state of the race here in US is not good, perhaps rather than flailing around trying to emulate the BNP, with its “Jews are great, Muslims bad” approach, that White activists take a more realistic approach. Look to the Near East for inspiration on building a dedicated survival organization

    Otherwise whites are going to be removed from planet earth.

  7. David F.'s Gravatar David F.
    February 27, 2010 - 3:38 pm | Permalink

    He reminds me of another conservative philo-Semite, John Derbyshire

    That’s because Bradlaugh is John Derbyshire. Look at the list of contributors on the top right of the page.

    **

    Thanks for the first real laugh I’ve ever had from a TOO article!

  8. admin's Gravatar admin
    February 27, 2010 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t look at the sidebar. Someone told me he was Derbyshire, but I didn’t want to say so. I thought it was supposed to be a secret. Kevin M

  9. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 27, 2010 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Geiseric says:

    Very good points from MacDonald. I’d like to add, though, that the gentility problem also has to do with the fact that there’s no “sexy” way to talk about White vs Jewish ethnic interests. Whites need to find a new style, new ways to articulate their interests.

    The problem is that there’s not really any feasible way. Jews have already assimilated to the point where they are not seen as an outgroup, which was not the case in Nazi Germany or any other place where anti-semitic mass movements were able to succeed. That’s been the ongoing tragedy of America. Our low EQ, race-ignorant forefathers made the mistake of founding a nation on high principles instead of race. This is what allowed the Jews to take over the power structure and hijack it to serve their own purposes.

    Being able to find a viable way of talking about white vs. Jewish interests presupposes that the Jews who now own the group can somehow be kicked out of it and be made into an outgroup again. But at this point, it’s hard for me to see how the average white lemming is ever going to be persuaded that Jews are not white. Yet this would have to be done in order for an anti-semitic mass movement to succeed.

    Anyone serious about solving this problem should be able to provide some historical examples of assimilated tribes which, having become ingroup, were ejected and forced to return to outgroup status. Offhand, I can’t think of any. This process seems to work in only one direction.

  10. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 27, 2010 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Notice that Adam frequently uses A.D.L. buzzwords like “anti-Semitic”.

  11. HA's Gravatar HA
    February 27, 2010 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Derbyshire doesn’t share our ethnic interests:

    I confessed frankly that I am not; that I am an Englishman living in America, with a Mainland-Chinese wife and two half-Chinese children.

    http://www.vdare.com/derbyshire/sino-fascism.htm

  12. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 27, 2010 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    “Notice that Adam frequently uses A.D.L. buzzwords like “anti-Semitic”.”

    That’s because Adwarf is a Jew.

    “I confessed frankly that I am not; that I am an Englishman living in America, with a Mainland-Chinese wife and two half-Chinese children.”

    Derbyshire is a race traitor in the most fundamental sense, he has procreated with a non-White and yet expects to reap the benefits of living amongst Whites without contributing to their genetic continuity. That is why he aligns himself with Jews, as he figures so long as Jewish power is protected his and his mongrel offspring’s well deserved banishment from our living space will not come to pass. Derbyshire is fully conscious of Jewish power and its deleterious effects upon our race and has argued (rather meekly) with Jews about just that in the past.

    Derbyshire is a race traitor, Adwarf is a filthy obfuscating parasite. Compromising the ability of our race to pursue its interests is in their interests, it is not in ours. They are our racial enemies.

  13. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 27, 2010 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    KM: “For people like Bradlaugh, massive immigration would presumably be fine if the immigrants were all principled people like himself.”

    Anyway, he knows that IQ differences are a problem and that racial diversity tends to cause friction. Objectively, Derbyshire is an anti-immigration activist. Even though he likes to annoy white nationalists by complaining about “antisemitism”, he is useful for white people.

  14. February 27, 2010 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “Anyone serious about solving this problem should be able to provide some historical examples of assimilated tribes which, having become ingroup, were ejected and forced to return to outgroup status.”

    Jewry is not nearly so “assimilated” as most Americans have been led to believe, but the organized Jewry of Weimar Germany had tremendous wealth and power, and was largely accepted in many Gentile circles:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=lGLpAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q=&f=false
    —-
    On the “solving the problem” point, because the insatiable Judeofascists inevitably rise to the top of the Jewish hierarchy, and because the modern Jewish hierarchy is so paranoid, cohesive, shamelessly manipulative and coercive, and effective in quelling internal dissent, Judeofascism inevitably becomes modern organized Jewry’s de facto ethic. The pattern is obvious. We saw this in cohesive Jewish Bolshevism, which later morphed into ongoing cohesive Jewish Zionism and cohesive Jewish Neoconservatism/Neoliberalism. All of them have been violently racist and mass murderous.

    Where I disagree with moderate white nationalists is in their belief that they could quell a similar phenomenon within their own hierarchy. True enough, a white nationalist regime would be far more equitable than the current Judeofascist regime that has in many important ways taken over power in America for the simple reason that there are far more whites than the total number of Jews + the secular liberal and Christian Zionist Faustian bargainers willing to collaborate with them, but recall that Hitler and the Nazis became as insatiable and destructive as are the American Judeofascists and their collaborators today.

    This is why I believe the most reasonable and moral long term solution to the Judeofascist problem is the same solution that “made” Western civilization in the first place, and kept the Judeofascists “down” for centuries without having to resort to wholesale slaughter: Christianity. This can be accomplished through a displacement of Big Government with libertarianism, serious Christianity, and a return to decentralized Christian moral authority.

  15. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 27, 2010 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    “Being able to find a viable way of talking about white vs. Jewish interests presupposes that the Jews who now own the group can somehow be kicked out of it and be made into an outgroup again.”

    Goddamnit Adwarf is getting desperate, and sloppy. Everyone knows that Jews exist and are a group unto themselves otherwise what does it mean to be a Jew! Stupid parasite.

  16. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 27, 2010 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “it’s hard for me to see how the average white lemming is ever going to be persuaded that Jews are not white. Yet this would have to be done in order for an anti-semitic mass movement to succeed.”

    It’s important to denounce Jewish anti-white activism, but it has little to do with building “an anti-semitic mass movement”. It doesn’t matter if Jews and Arabs are seen as white, black or yellow. What should be emphasized is that Jewish anti-white activism is specifically Jewish. It hinges on the Jewish identity and plays a crucial role in the immigration disaster. If Jews are seen as white, it should make it easier to denounce their politics without being called racist.

  17. Anthony's Gravatar Anthony
    February 27, 2010 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    “I thought it was supposed to be a secret.”

    I’m not clear why Derbyshire and Khan write under pen names on the site, but have those next to their full names at the same time. Maybe they just thought it would better project their personae for the subjects on which the site focused?

  18. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 27, 2010 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Armor says:

    Adam: “it’s hard for me to see how the average white lemming is ever going to be persuaded that Jews are not white. Yet this would have to be done in order for an anti-semitic mass movement to succeed.”

    It’s important to denounce Jewish anti-white activism, but it has little to do with building “an anti-semitic mass movement”. It doesn’t matter if Jews and Arabs are seen as white, black or yellow. What should be emphasized is that Jewish anti-white activism is specifically Jewish. It hinges on the Jewish identity and plays a crucial role in the immigration disaster. If Jews are seen as white, it should make it easier to denounce their politics without being called racist.

    Since building a mass movement to combat the Jewish influence is the ostensible purpose of parties like A3P, and since any attempt to disentangle the Jewish influence from white culture will be called racist and anti-semitic, I don’t see how this way of thinking helps. Anyway, how could you possibly hope to denounce their “anti-white activism” without excluding them from the white race? It follows that effective action against them means that they must be made back into a racial outgroup. But there is good reason to think that that is probably not possible, since racial assimilation seems to be a one-way process. It would appear that Jews, having been now accepted as white by the vast majority of whites, are impossible to make back into a racial outgroup. And that is true by even stronger reason since they now control the process of culture formation themselves.

    As a practical matter, since the Jewish influence has become so deep and broad, there would seem to be no way around trying to make them into an outgroup on a racial basis. There is no substantial minority of Jews who don’t “have a Jewish identity”, so an attack upon one on that basis will be viewed as an attack upon all, and probably with good reason.

  19. February 27, 2010 - 8:47 pm | Permalink

    “Very good points from MacDonald. I’d like to add, though, that the gentility problem also has to do with the fact that there’s no “sexy” way to talk about White vs Jewish ethnic interests. Whites need to find a new style, new ways to articulate their interests.”

    I think we should make a Miniseries called “False Flag”, about a group of Mossad agents who sneak into the Country and set off a Nuclear Explosion in an American City for the sake of blaming it on the Iranians.

    The hero will be a former FBI Agent turned CSULB Professor of Counterterrorism who has only 24 hours to prove to the President that the Israelis were behind it or America will launch a bloody war against Iran.

    That would exiting and sexy as hell!

    Then we throw in all sorts of pious scenes where the Professor gets chocked up thinking about all the poor innocent Iranians who’ll be killed if he fails to expose the evil plot.

    That way it will be palatable to modern sensibilities.

    You see, it isn’t that the Professor is some kind of Jew Hater or anything, it’s just that he feels for the victims of what the Israelis are doing and is fighting their influence for purely positive and noble reasons.

    Maybe throw in some backstory that his son fought in the Iraq war and lost his mind from the guilt produced by an incident where he accidentally killed Iraqi civilians.

    And there could be all sorts of atmospheric scenes in the Israeli Intelligence offices, as they plot how to manipulate the American Rubes into war.

  20. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 27, 2010 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “Anyway, how could you possibly hope to denounce their “anti-white activism” without excluding them from the white race?”

    If I can denounce catholic or protestant anti-white activism, why not Jewish activism? Many people say christianity is a problem, a source of ethnomasochism. But I recognize it would be funny to describe Jewish anti-white activism as an example of ethnomasochism.

    “It follows that effective action against them means that they must be made back into a racial outgroup.”

    The Jews see themselves as a separate people based on separate ancestry. But I can point to the ethnic antagonism between Jewish activists/nationalists and non-Jewish Whites without discussing what race are the Jews. It doesn’t necessarily matter if they are a sect, a race, a culture, a political ideology, as long as the antagonism is obvious.

  21. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 27, 2010 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Armor says:

    Adam: “Anyway, how could you possibly hope to denounce their “anti-white activism” without excluding them from the white race?”

    If I can denounce catholic or protestant anti-white activism, why not Jewish activism?

    Yeah, but trying to convince people that Catholics or Protestants are anti-white isn’t working so hot either.

    “It follows that effective action against them means that they must be made back into a racial outgroup.”

    The Jews see themselves as a separate people based on separate ancestry. But I can point to the ethnic antagonism between Jewish activists/nationalists and non-Jewish Whites without discussing what race are the Jews. It doesn’t necessarily matter if they are a sect, a race, a culture, a political ideology, as long as the antagonism is obvious.

    I see A3P as more Jew-focused than you do, apparently. Their home page has Lindbergh as a mascot and when they refer to “our people”, believe me, they’re not talking about Jews. Further, it seems clear to me that being effective against Jewish cultural influence will entail opposing them as a race. Because of their superior racial cohesion, they will know that’s what you’re doing, even if you don’t.

  22. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 27, 2010 - 10:06 pm | Permalink

    That’s right Adwarf, when the heat gets too hot Jews would never dream of going crypto would they. Not in a million years! Problem is, everyone knows about Jews. Jews are what they say they are, a Middle Eastern derived diaspora people. We have genetic studies that can identify individuals with even one Jewish grandparent. There is no where left to hide.

    Anyone who allows you to submerge them in the miasma of your verbosity is a fool.

  23. Pitbullexpress's Gravatar Pitbullexpress
    February 27, 2010 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    There are two BIG problems for Whites as things are today.

    1 – To use a word I’ve used before, here and elsewhere, Whites are a Disjunctive category. All groups are strictly speaking, but none more so than Whites.

    I use the word disjunctive because it is less value-laden than “diverse”.

    In this case it just means that there are so many different kinds of White people. Hell, even TOO published an article not that long ago, around the end of 2009 if I’m not mistaken, where it talks about how groups we thought were White actually aren’t White.

    So organizing or, organization, is going to be, well, do I even have to finish this sentence? It’s not going to be easy folks.

    2 – Though there’s no question that many Whties have come around, and are coming around, there are still far too many who haven’t.
    Even though their interests, and their future, and even present, are being and will be effected.

    This simply points to just how difficult it is for people to have a genuine conversion, or, perhaps better, psychic transformation.

    You can not force change.

    Some might say that this is exactly what Jews have done. But I don’t think so. I think Whites are not really altering their behavior all that much. Rather, their lives are being altered. But it’s still clear that the reptilian part of their brain is still going strong.

    A lizard will repeat his pattern over and over again until something comes along that forces him to change his routine. But even that’s not enough and often comes too late, and so the reptile dies. To avoid this lizards go where they have good hiding spots and not a lot of company.

    Whites do the same and the place they go to is called the suburbs.

    But even that’s changing.

    Many Whites have become like a group of such fixed orientation that they can’t modify their behavior in relation to a threat and so put themselves at great risk. In short, they are becoming mal-adaptive.

    But the same could be said of Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, etc.

    This brings me to a much larger and I think all important point.

    It should never be assumed that the human race is going to be a successful species.

    One indication that our future doesnt look all that good is that if you pointed out that we’re becoming more mal-adaptive to people and that though thigns look bad there’s still a lot we can do – I don’t think it would evoke an answering emotion in most of them. It’s just too big to get ones head around.

    Plus, doesn’t anyone think it’s funny that of all of the species out there the only one that hasn’t been biologically tested are human beings.

    There can only be two reasons that we have not yet been biologically tested,
    Presumptuous arrogance, ie; we think we’re going to live forever so what’s the point.
    Or, we’re afraid of the results of such a test.

    Jews and non-Whites are each in a state of chaos, more or less. Yes folks, even Jews.
    But they all can still rally around what is essentially a negative principle.
    Not – “We are for us.”
    But – “We are against them!”

    They aren’t building much and what they are building isn’t going to last.

    Point this out to them, chapter and verse, and they will behave just like the Whites who don’t seem to want to do anything what is happening to them and will continue to happen to them.

    This is exactly why I have said so many times that as soon as we are compltely subdued, to the hostile elites satisfaction, Jews will begin to lose power rapidly. In fact, it’s already happening.
    And that is why, above all else, we should keep the focus primarily, though of course not exclusively, on us.

  24. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 27, 2010 - 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Chris Moore says:

    Adam: “Anyone serious about solving this problem should be able to provide some historical examples of assimilated tribes which, having become ingroup, were ejected and forced to return to outgroup status.”

    Jewry is not nearly so “assimilated” as most Americans have been led to believe, but the organized Jewry of Weimar Germany had tremendous wealth and power, and was largely accepted in many Gentile circles:

    Your link didn’t work for me, but I will grant that German Jews were among Europe’s most assimilated. However, largely because of the quite different demographics and Germany’s Lutheran heritage, they were still easy to depict as Other, at least a lot easier than they would be now. Whites of that time also had the powerful example of the Ukrainian genocide to focus their attention. For these and other reasons Weimar Germany was a much more fertile ground for an anti-semitic mass movement, but even so the degree of assimilation did cause some problems for the Nazis. Consider this excerpt from Himmler’s speech at Posen:

    Es gehört zu den Dingen, die man leicht ausspricht. “Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet”, sagt Ihnen jeder Parteigenosse, “ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm drin, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir, pfah!, Kleinigkeit”.

    Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anständigen Juden. Sagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude.

    The English is from Porter’s translation at: http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhh.html

    It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be extirpated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our programme: elimination of the Jews, extirpation ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew.

    Can you imagine how many examples of fine, upstanding Jews white Americans would bring forward in order to combat trying to make Jews back into a racial outgroup?!? Especially after so much Holocaust®© propaganda, the problem would be a thousand times worse. I suspect that Americans would sooner consider the negro as non-human than the Jew as non-white. Jews probably have a better claim to whiteness than negroes have to being human anyway. :-)

  25. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 27, 2010 - 10:45 pm | Permalink

    “Can you imagine how many examples of fine, upstanding Jews white Americans would bring forward in order to combat trying to make Jews back into a racial outgroup?!?”

    You mean Red State Joe Six Pack, whom we are obviously counting on to be the backbone of our movement? LOL! I’ve flipped many an average Joe on the JQ in the real (they were already down on Negroes – which is quite more common than you may be inclined think).

  26. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 27, 2010 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Here’s how I rope in White Christians who aren’t fortunate enough to have an IQ 2 SD+ above the mean, Adwarf: I hit them with the old Christ killer, money-changer, “his blood be upon us and our children” routine. Works like a charm to a man who is at least partially receptive. These guy already know about the Federal Reserve and the banksters, so I make the theological connection for them. Satanic bloodsuckers leaching off the sweat of their brow, taking food out of the mouths of their children.

    ‘But…but…doesn’t that make you just as bad as Adwarf? How can you live without yourself, Captain?’

    Nope, no pangs of conscience, I’m happy to report.

  27. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 27, 2010 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Adam, are you a Jew, as Captainchaos says? Yes or no.

  28. February 28, 2010 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    Adam: “Whites of that time also had the powerful example of the Ukrainian genocide to focus their attention.”

    Americans of our time have the powerful example of the Israel lobby and its [Judeophile liberal, genteel Judeophile 'conservative', Judeo-Christian Zionist] collaborators lying America into the Iraq war, as documented by Walt and Mearsheimer in The Israel Lobby.

    Granted, that’s not quite the atrocity that the Jewish Bolsheviks and their Stalinist collaborators perpetrated against the Ukrainian people (6-10 million Christians murdered), but given that America saved Jews from being exterminated off of the face of the earth by entering into WWII, for the Judeofascists to turn around and stab us in the back like that is shockingly Satanic (but not very surprising, given their scorpion nature).

    Even dumbed-down, post Christians America is able to comprehend that kind of Judas treachery.

  29. Heinous Henry's Gravatar Heinous Henry
    February 28, 2010 - 4:42 am | Permalink

    “Jews have already assimilated to the point where they are not seen as an outgroup, which was not the case in Nazi Germany or any other place where anti-semitic mass movements were able to succeed. ”

    O.k. time to join in pilling on Adam!

    Newsflash – a SIZE-ABLE portion of the population explicitly blame Jews for the current economic mess!! (The humorous part is that 32% if Democrats, that traditional power base of Jewry, blames Jews! This is great! Apparently creating a coalition of ethnic minorities in the form of the Democratic Party is going to blow right up in Uncle Schmulies face! Laugh out loud, it has happened before like when Stalin turned on them. )

    Adam seriously you are living in a dream world if you don’t think that people are RAPIDLY turning to anti-semitism as an explanatory narrative for the down-fall of America!

    ” (IsraelNN.com) A survey conducted by the Boston Review in its May/June issue shows that nearly 25% of American non-Jews blame “the Jews” a moderate amount or more for the financial crisis.

    Furthermore, a total of 38.4% of the non-Jews in the U.S. attribute at least some level of blame to the group.

    Possibly most significant of all were the subconscious anti-Semitic tendencies revealed based on the way the questions were phrased to different groups.

    Neil Malhotra, Assistant Professor of Political Economy in the Graduate School of Business at Stanford University, and Dr. Yotam Margalit of Stanford University, conducted the study. It was part of a survey of 2,768 American adults exploring responses and anti-Semitic sentiments vis-à-vis the economic collapse.

    They found that Democrats were significantly more prone to blaming Jews than Republicans: while 32% of Democrats accorded at least moderate blame, compared to only 18.4% of Republicans. ”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131238

  30. Anne's Gravatar Anne
    February 28, 2010 - 6:14 am | Permalink

    “This can be accomplished through a displacement of Big Government with libertarianism … ”

    libertarianism = multiculturalism = anti-white = fail

  31. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    February 28, 2010 - 6:50 am | Permalink

    Its difficult to keep the Southern white culture when our kids are subjected to propaganda from the time they enter kindergarten. My family fights against my politics and hatred of Jews as though I am a criminal. They cannot believe that I think the way I do and they don’t accept it.

    My cousin is a genius who has written text books for the Harvard business school. She lived for a long time in Brookline and is the very essence of a Jewish/Liberal.

    After getting more degrees and becoming a psychologist, she worked in health and human services during the Clinton Administration and met people like Robert Reich and Donna Shalala. Today she lives in DC where she is a government consultant.

    She has many Jewish friends and every time I say anything negative about a Jew she tells me how wonderful these people are.

    My nephew is an engineer and his response to me was that Billy Crystal is one of his favorite people. We have actually gone without speaking to one another over the issue of Jews. I’m simply not allowed to say anything critical of them.

    If these people refuse to even listen to facts about Jews then how can they ever learn the truth. Another cousin is a doctor married to a doctor from India and they have two children.

    The less educated family members are the ones who will listen to me and I am less educated myself. I guess the things that KM has said regarding the problems with the middle class are true. The middle class is the group we need to find a way to connect with.

    The A3P needs to target the United States congress but it is every bit as important to target state government such as governorships and state senates and houses. States can refuse to follow the federal government. States can bring their national guard troops home with the intentions of stationing them in South Africa for the protection of white SA farmers who are being killed and driven from their lands. That would be a powerful statement regarding white interests and that we have nothing vested in a jew state any more than blacks would have in an Aryan state.

    State governments could criminalize illegals and those who hire them and lots of other things.

  32. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    February 28, 2010 - 6:55 am | Permalink

    Speaking of the South, it looks as though California is becoming like the Old South. CU Long Beach is not alone.

    Protests at Oregon University Over `Pacifica Forum Group
    The Associated Press
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100211/ap_on_re_us/us_extremists_on_campus

    .. .. A campus with a reputation for young, leftist radicals has been roiled in protest in recent weeks as the aging collection of extremists — deemed a hate group by those who track the issue — has intensified its message, including a Hitler salute at an event in December .. .. Pacifica Forum was founded more than 15 years ago by Orval Etter, a 94-year-old retired professor and self-described “Quaker at heart” who resides in an assisted-living facility .. .. The group has gained attention for hosting speakers who question the Holocaust. In 2008, for example, Pacifica invited David Irving, who served time in an Austrian prison for violating the country’s law against denying the Nazis exterminated six million Jews during War World II.

    Jewish Group Denounces Anti-Semitic Trends at California University
    European Jewish Press
    http://www.ejpress.org/article/42456

    An international Jewish group expressed deep dismay at the [allegedly] severe and persistent anti-Semitic harassment experienced by Jewish students at the University of California, Irvine. Bnai Brith International President Dennis W. Glick and Executive Vice President Daniel S. Mariaschin sent a letter to the Universitys Chancellor, Michael Drake. The letter was sent following recent anti-Israel demonstrations at a campus appearance by Israels ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, where students repeatedly disrupted his remarks. Such heated protests contribute to a persistent atmosphere of hatred and intimidation for Jewish students at the school, they said.

    Zionist Group Urges Donors and Student to Avoid UC Irvine
    The Associated Press
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100217/ap_on_re_us/us_uc_irvine_tension

    After months of growing tension between Jewish and Muslim students at the University of California, Irvine, the Zionist Organization of America is asking potential students to apply elsewhere and donors to stop sending contributions. The New York-based organization lambasted Chancellor Michael Drake in a statement Tuesday for not condemning anti-Semitic speech on campus and enabling a years-long history of “bigotry, discrimination and the violation of civil rights” by the school’s Muslim Student Union.

    Jews Leave Swedish City After Sharp Rise in Anti-Jewish Incidents
    The Telegraph (Britain)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/7278532/Jews-leave-Swedish-city-after-sharp-rise-in-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html

    .. .. “I never thought I would see this hatred again in my lifetime, not in Sweden anyway,” Mrs Popinski told The Sunday Telegraph. “This new hatred comes from Muslim immigrants. The Jewish people are afraid now.” .. .. The future looks so bleak that by one estimate, around 30 Jewish families have already left for Stockholm, England or Israel, and more are preparing to go. With its young people planning new lives elsewhere, the remaining Jewish households, many of whom are made up of Holocaust survivors and their descendants, fear they will soon be gone altogether. Mrs Popinski, an 86-year-old widow, said she has even encountered hostility when invited to talk about the Holocaust in schools.

  33. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    February 28, 2010 - 7:11 am | Permalink

    One more thing. Regarding the Killer Whale that killed the childless woman at Sea World – Animal Planet, You know I watch this channel, co-incidentally has a new program called “Fatal Attractions” between white people and their wild animal pets which airs Sundays beginning March 14.

    But the point I wish to make is – there is a reason every First Family has a dog. Other than if you want a friend in DC you should get a dog.

    If the A3P great white leaders had dogs it would soften their images so much it is beyond my ability to explain. It would attract people in droves.

    You must see this page and learn how to raise money.

    http://www.millanfoundation.org/donate/dear.php?utm_source=Mobile+Storm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FebruaryNL_4

    Laugh if you want to but I knew this dog, Daddy, if I could meet and have dinner with anyone on Earth it would have been Daddy. You have to watch the Dog Whisperer to understand.

    Read this article and then go out and fall in love with a dog, best to rescue one from a shelter. Learn dog psychology because dogs do not have human brains. They are wonderful. I am not recommending them to replace children! Have children by all means.

    http://www.cesarsway.com/news/remembering-daddy?utm_source=Mobile+Storm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FebruaryNL_4

  34. haalstaat's Gravatar haalstaat
    February 28, 2010 - 7:40 am | Permalink

    “Adam, are you a Jew, as Captainchaos says? Yes or no.”

    Of possible relevance:
    http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2010/02/tanstaafl-on-auster-i.html

    Please read ALL the comments very carefully. It could, of course, be a coincidence. Then again, maybe not. It’s not anything we’ll ever know for sure, but it should be noted for the record.

  35. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    February 28, 2010 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    The concepts of, and proclivity to urbanity, gentility, sophistication, moderation, respectability, moral superiority, humaneness, fair play etc. are signs of White presumptuousness, delusion and a desire for perceived peer group acceptability. It is a form of White snobbishness and class one-upmanship that can only be properly described as classic bourgeois, Anglo cant. Not that many of these attributes are necessarily phony or unworthy in their own right, however they mask many of the underlying racial foibles that cripple White identity. This is especially the case with the White intellectuals under discussion.

    In a closed all White society, this type of mindset can add greatly to civility and culture, but in our current devolutionary situation, it’s a prescription for racial self-destruction. Much has been written about the alien out-groups that plague us, and that literature is vitally essential. Equally important, for our genetic survival, is a deep introspection of our own racial soul. It’s imperative that we analyse these internal White psychological peculiarities, because our survival depends upon the recognition of our own internal flaws. If we don’t adapt to the new evolutionary challenges and racial realities, we will vanish, as all before us did, who have denied their own race. We need to do this well, with balance and certitude, and without pessimism or defeatism. What do you say, Kevin MacDonald?

  36. Kevin M's Gravatar Kevin M
    February 28, 2010 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    Re Junghans: I really like your comment. Civility and politeness are great characteristics, but not in a war for ethnic survival. These are not characteristics of Jews, as John Murray Cuddihy (The Ordeal of Civility) has brilliantly shown. My attempt to understand why Whites are so vulnerable centers on individualism. The linkage between individualism and this powerful tendency to act in a socially acceptable manner takes some doing, but I attempt it in “Psychology and White Ethnocentrism”.
    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/WhiteEthnocentrism.pdf
    See the section titled “PSYCHOLOGICAL CHALLENGES TO DEVELOPING AN
    EXPLICIT CULTURE OF WHITE IDENTITY AND INTERESTS”:
    I am suggesting, therefore, that evolutionary pressure for cooperation is a
    critical adaptive function accounting for the evolution of Conscientiousness.
    Psychological research shows that people high in Conscientiousness are responsible,
    dependable, dutiful, and reliable. Indeed, responsibility emerges as a
    facet (i.e., subcategory) of Conscientiousness defined as cooperative, dependable,
    being of service to others, and contributing to community and group
    projects.74 These traits are also highly correlated with honesty, morality, and
    behavior as a moral exemplar.
    Thus Conscientiousness not only makes us better able to inhibit natural
    impulses like ethnocentrism, it also makes us more concerned about our
    reputation. We want to fit into the community and we want to be known
    as cooperators, not cheaters. At the opposite end are sociopaths. Sociopaths
    are at the low end of Conscientiousness. They take advantage of people for
    short-term gains and care nothing about developing a reputation as honest
    and trustworthy. After they prey on one victim, they must move on to an area
    where their reputation is not known.
    Obviously, Conscientiousness as defi ned above is a pillar of human civilization
    and cultural life..Kevin M

  37. February 28, 2010 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    Anne: “libertarianism = multiculturalism = anti-white = fail”

    Agreed, the open-borders, money-worshipping Milton Friedman/Chicago school libertarianism is just such a recipe.

    I’m talking Ron Paul libertarianism, which is none of those things.

    Also, all this talk of whites disappearing reminds me of Jewish hysteria over Jews disappearing, and the corollary of whites being in the same position as Israel — which leads to further white identification with Zionism, which leads to further Judeofascist success in overthrowing the Christian/Western civilization ethic.

    There’s a lot of gnashing of teeth on this blog in search of the reason that whites are so easily rolled by Zionists and left-liberals/socialists/Marxists. Well, whites weren’t successfully rolled by any of these until they lost their Christian consciousness (and Judeo-Christian Zionism does not count as a Christian conscience.)

    Mark my words: white nationalism is a cul-de-sac and might even be a trick in the same way that Hitler was financed by Wall Street Money Powers.

    Take a look at these three books by Anthony Sutton: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Wall Street and FDR.

    “Original sin,” (which I view as a great metaphor for the human tendency towards the easy material and spiritual corruption that venal Jews cater to and feed) is the problem, and there’s only one “cure” for that kind of ailment, because it is an ailment of the soul.

    In literature, Dracula was repelled by the Cross for a reason.

  38. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    February 28, 2010 - 9:53 am | Permalink

    “Please read ALL the comments very carefully. It could, of course, be a coincidence. Then again, maybe not. It’s not anything we’ll ever know for sure, but it should be noted for the record.”

    The “Adam” who is arguing with Tanstaafl back in that 2007 thread admits that he is a Jew, but seems to think he should get a free pass because he is of the fair haired, light eyed variety. No such luck Adwarf, your conduct here is singular testimony to the fact that Jews are lying weasels. More interesting is the fact that recently at Chechar’s blog Takuan Seiyo, the Jew who seeks to direct WN for the interests of the Jews, who is a contributor at the Brussels Journal operated by Jew-tool Paul Belien, just got his ass handed to him in that he was exposed as a transparent liar and a hostile to WN by those he dubbed the “Nazi troika” – meaning myself, Tanstaafl and a certain Anon2.

  39. Shiva's Gravatar Shiva
    February 28, 2010 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Chris Moore
    but recall that Hitler and the Nazis became as insatiable and destructive as are the American Judeofascists and their collaborators today.

    That is only if you accept the Big Lie of the Holocaust.
    A young man, a Max Planck Institute PhD, not only lost his doctorate, but was ripped from the arms of his wife and babies, here in America, by Federal agents, and then imprisoned in Germany, his crime? He wrote this book

    This Northwestern University professor has had his life turned into a living hell, his crime?
    He wrote this book

    Ask yourself this question, what kind of truth needs prisons and terrorists to defend it?

  40. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    February 28, 2010 - 9:59 am | Permalink

    “The concepts of, and proclivity to urbanity, gentility, sophistication, moderation, respectability, moral superiority, humaneness, fair play”

    Yes those are all desirable in a white society but don’t work if you are fighting for your survival.

    They are also less important in the South and other rural, agricultural areas where people are closer to nature and less genteel. Which is important because this fact played a major role in the North’s ability to ridicule the South and therefore be able to stigmatize it so that no one wishes to appear racist because they do not wish to be compared to a Southerner.

    How genteel you are that you do not wish to discuss animals and nature. I speak about Cesar Millan, a Mexican, because I am strongly attracted to him.

    Coming from Mexico, a macho nation without any form of feminism he quickly learned in California that women are psychologically different from men. No doubt from a jewish psychologist. Since Cesar is so close with nature, he understands dog psychology but he also understands female psychology.

    Women on the Dog Whisperer want to hug him. I wanted to hug him to the first time I saw him. You can be genteel all you want to but if you are not in touch with nature there will be more childless white women and not fewer.

    You should lose enough of your white snobbishness long enough to see that you could learn a lot from Cesar Millan, A Mexican with great appeal to women because rather than attempting to be genteel he chooses to be in touch with nature. Go ahead and try it. It won’t bite you.

    My advice stands. Get a dog. And remember with dogs and their psychology, its 1. exercise 2. discipline, then 3. affection. Different from human psychology.

    On a nature program there was this old, fat, bald scientist. He went to a river bank and gathered small organisms which he took back to a lab. Then when finished studying them he did not toss them away. He took the samples back to the river bank where he found them and I fell in love.

    A vet from a long time ago was the most gentle loving kind person I have ever known. Everyone who went to that vet office wanted Dr ****. He still has my heart and soul and I don’t even know where he is any longer.

    Nature trumps gentility. Perhaps that is why the South is more explicitly White but of course I’m not educated, brilliant or an expert. I’m just a Southern woman in touch with nature.

  41. Zeitgeist's Gravatar Zeitgeist
    February 28, 2010 - 10:21 am | Permalink

    Kevin M @ February 28, 2010 at 9:06 AM:

    It is obvious that Jews are some of the most sociopathic people on Earth, along with the least conscientious.

    Their sociopathic side is shown by their criminal/sociopathic actions which lead to their mass-expulsion from dozens of nations and territories throughout history, while their lack of conscientiousness is revealed in their tendency to soil the morals and culture of White countries as well as their persistent mismanagement of Western economies, a parasitic “take the money and run” mentality.

  42. greco's Gravatar greco
    February 28, 2010 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    On wikipedia:

    “Lady Randolph Churchill, CI, DStJ (Jennie Jerome) (January 9, 1854 – June 9, 1921), born Jennie Jerome, was the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
    Jennie Jerome was born in Rochester, New York[1], the second of three daughters of financier, sportsman, and speculator Leonard Jerome …”

    So, Winston Churchill was a jew, never mind “philo-Semitic” !!

  43. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    February 28, 2010 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Let’s face it, shall we? White elites don’t always appear to identify with Whites in general because, owing to extreme white IQ variance and the fact that elites do tend to be far above the racial mean, most of them are too much more intelligent than most White non-elites to connect with them psychologically.

    People wonder why elite Whites “sell out” to elite Jews. That’s really very simple: it’s one thing to collude for financial advantage, and that’s a large part of it. But there’s another that’s just as important: there’s no substitute for sitting around the country club shooting the bull on a level of meaning and abstraction of which the average White person simply isn’t mentally capable. That is, elite Whites tend to identify with highly intelligent Jews more than they do with non-elite Whites because they can connect and communicate with them regarding what they see as important, and this is enough to obliterate normal racial boundaries.

    Now, there’s a more or less controversial rule of thumb sometimes applied in psychology: a thirty-point IQ difference can be a show-stopper in effective two-way communication, especially regarding abstract subject matter. The higher-IQ individual can understand what the lower-IQ individual has to say, but the reverse is not true. What the high-IQ individual is thinking at any given time is simply not spontaneously communicable in terms that can be easily understood by the less intelligent one. This constitutes a very basic kind of social friction.

    I don’t deny that pure self-interest and social constraints associated with (socio-economic) class stratification work just as strongly in this direction. But I know too many White elites who prefer the company of intelligent Jews to even moderately intelligent people of European ancestry simply because they can more easily and effectively communicate with them.

    Many philosophical egalitarians, even some theoretical psychologists who should know better, think that all people have equal mental capacities, that the IQ construct is basically nonsense, and that problems like those described above can be eliminated by means of education alone. But the scientific evidence weighs so strongly against this idealistic notion that it must be regarded as essentially insupportable. The evidence says that human intelligence is probably between 50 and 80 percent heritable (genetic), and that’s about as solid a fact as exists in the field.

    This leaves just one apparent solution, and it’s called “eugenics”. To some extent, eugenics is and always has been in effect among the elite of all races. Tacit eugenics is essentially why many intelligent and influential Whites end up marrying those ancient eugenicists known as “Jews”; they place more of a value on high intelligence than on racial affiliation, and for what they consider very good reason. In contrast, whereas elite whites often breed with high intelligence in mind, non-elite Whites display no such tendency. (The breeding success of non-elite Whites depends less on intelligence than on whether they are perceived as “hot”, fashionable, attuned to pop culture, and properly PC-indoctrinated, and it is pretty obvious that the only direction in which this could possibly lead is down.)

    Sorry for daring to cut to the chase here – I realize it’s not very genteel – but this is probably a large and underrated part of what it all comes down to.

    My advice: if one is really serious about dealing with the problem of respectable, high-status, overly genteel Whites who seem to look at most of their fellow Whites as trailer trash who haven’t yet located the right trailer, who don’t care what non-elite Whites have to say, and who appear to side with Jews against Whites at the drop of a shekel, I suggest a bit less pussyfooting around the subject of eugenics, particularly as it relates to intelligence.

    Obviously, there could be a high price for discussing this issue too openly. But there may be an even higher price associated with ignoring it completely, as many people concerned with White destiny seem determined to do. Now that the Flynn effect is winding down, it is highly likely that cultural factors will lead to a fall in mean White IQ even without miscegenation, feeding back and accelerating as it progresses.

    I know that most White people don’t want to discuss or even hear about the problem of IQ variance. But as long as we’re advocating straight talk about important issues, we’d better get straight about the fact that IQ variance spans a rock and a hard place when it comes to psychological identification along racial lines. In the view of White elites, too many Whites are too dull, gullible, easily indoctrinated, and unworthy of an elite’s time of day to elicit their racial identification. This is unlikely to change as long as nothing is done to reverse it.

  44. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    February 28, 2010 - 3:18 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore:
    I agree with you about the need to have a culture infused with real Christianity. However, I believe that White Nationalism is a much better answer than your Libertarianism. The type of WN that I envision is a movement that seeks to create a politicaly entity that is very close to what our founders had built, except completely and explicity White.

    @Eurodele:
    When you talk about Eugenics, I am assuming you are proposing that families use high-IQ “seed” when having children, which was proposed by Robert Graham, who operated a “genius” sperm bank. I dont think you would find this a controversial proposal in this forum at all (as opposed to sterilizing the mentially deficient, which probably wouldnt be legally feasible). The IQ controversy seems to be pretty well-known in WN circles.

    you are mainly suggesting that Whites use high-IQ

  45. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 28, 2010 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Chris Moore says:

    Adam: “Whites of that time also had the powerful example of the Ukrainian genocide to focus their attention.”

    Americans of our time have the powerful example of the Israel lobby and its [Judeophile liberal, genteel Judeophile 'conservative', Judeo-Christian Zionist] collaborators lying America into the Iraq war, as documented by Walt and Mearsheimer in The Israel Lobby.

    [...]

    Even dumbed-down, post Christians America is able to comprehend that kind of Judas treachery.

    But the fact is they are not comprehending it. Despite all the evidence, most of them don’t question the so-called War on Terror at all, and of the relative few that do, most miss the Jewish connection and prefer to think of it, not completely erroneously, as a War for Oil.

    Some of this is because of technical advances in weaponry. Casualties from this Middle East war are minute in historical terms — just a few thousand killed. Nor has it required yet even very much inconvenience on the part of the populace at large. It hasn’t been necessary to levy troops with a draft, for example. For the US, it is the first major war fought entirely by volunteers; it’s essentially being fought by mercenaries, many of them being very handsomely compensated. Even the financing of this war hasn’t caused much pain, since so far the tab has basically been picked up by the Chinese who bought our Federal Reserve funny money.

    No, I don’t think that this betrayal is at all comparable to the Holodomor’s role in motivating anti-semitism in Weimar Germany. Perhaps it could be down the road, in the unlikely event American whites ever “wake up” and are able to eject the Jews from the white ingroup, but not right now.

  46. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 28, 2010 - 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Neoboudica says:

    I speak about Cesar Millan, a Mexican, because I am strongly attracted to him.

    Yikes! I did NOT need to know this. :-0

    http://www.dasgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cesar.jpg

  47. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 28, 2010 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “But the fact is they are not comprehending it / most miss the Jewish connection”

    We know little about Jewish mischief because of the censorship and the intimidation. It is not a lack of comprehension but a lack of knowledge. The solution is easy: better information through the internet.

    “in the unlikely event American whites ever “wake up” and are able to eject the Jews from the white ingroup”

    You don’t need to eject Sicilians from the white in-group in order to complain and do something about the Sicilian mafia. You can complain about Jewish racism even if you say that races do not exist. In Europe, most people probably do not know that Gypsies are from India. Even so, they all know about the problem of Gypsy crime.

  48. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    February 28, 2010 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    sitting around the country club shooting the bull on a level of meaning and abstraction of which the average White person simply isn’t mentally capable.

    This doesn’t explain it; there are still more high IQ whites than high IQ Jews, whatever the comparative percentages among the groups. White elites are not “selling out” to Jewish elites because they can’t find any other smart people to hold abstract conversations with at the country club. In fact, the whole idea is rather absurd.

  49. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 28, 2010 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Armor says:

    Adam: “But the fact is they are not comprehending it / most miss the Jewish connection”

    We know little about Jewish mischief because of the censorship and the intimidation. It is not a lack of comprehension but a lack of knowledge. The solution is easy: better information through the internet.

    Easy, huh? Baloney. The fact is, the information is there for the taking and has been for years. You can’t force feed it to people. The average guy who has a computer doesn’t know because he doesn’t want to know. If you try to tell him, he’ll run screaming from the room. But that’s to be expected from people with essentially non-existent racial cohesion.

    “in the unlikely event American whites ever “wake up” and are able to eject the Jews from the white ingroup”

    You don’t need to eject Sicilians from the white in-group in order to complain and do something about the Sicilian mafia. You can complain about Jewish racism even if you say that races do not exist. In Europe, most people probably do not know that Gypsies are from India. Even so, they all know about the problem of Gypsy crime.

    The Gypsies are already an outgroup in Europe, notoriously so. The Sicilian connection to organized crime isn’t comparable since all Sicilians aren’t going to look upon attacks on the mafia as attacks on Sicilians generally. Attempts to highlight the Jewish connection to contemporary problems of whites, by contrast, will be regarded (and successfully depicted) as a racial attack on Jews.

    Anyway, I thought we were all agreed here that the problem is racial, not just with a few bad Jews. You don’t think so?

  50. Anne's Gravatar Anne
    February 28, 2010 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Why do women love this Cesar character? Do they want him to work his dog psychology magic on them? It’s very strange. My dental hygienist has not discussed anything but Cesar with me for at least the last four years! I’d imagine these women also like that Secretary movie starring James Spader directed by Jew Shainberg.

    I don’t want to hug Cesar and with the system being overly anti-male, men will find themselves in trouble with the law for using Cesar’s female psychology techniques. All she has to do is pick up the phone and say, “He scared me.” Feminist VAWA —> must arrest clause —> CYA!

  51. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 28, 2010 - 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “The average guy who has a computer doesn’t know because he doesn’t want to know.”

    I only learned recently about the importance of the Jewish role in communism, the immigration policy, the Iraq war… I’m learning a lot from people who say themselves that they learned recently about it. A lot of documentation has been (more or less) available since the end of the 19th century, but I only found out about it on the internet. I think there is a kind of snowball effect on the internet, around the Jewish question, but the effect is not immediate.

    “Anyway, I thought we were all agreed here that the problem is racial, not just with a few bad Jews.”

    Even if I simply say that Jewish racism is a problem, I could be fined for incitement under the French hate laws. I had better not take part in the debate whether Whites and Jews can live together. Anyway, I can criticize Jewish racism and Jewish over-representation in the media without mentioning the Jewish race.
    I think racial theories are intellectually interesting, but not every scientific or intellectual argument can be used as a good political argument in a public debate.
    Also, when you say that all Jews are bad and that racial antisemitism must be encouraged, you know you are not helping the white cause!

  52. February 28, 2010 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    “The average guy who has a computer doesn’t know because he doesn’t want to know. If you try to tell him, he’ll run screaming from the room. But that’s to be expected from people with essentially non-existent racial cohesion.”

    It’s more what you’d expect from people who’ve been brainwashed to think “Anti-Semitism” is the ultimate sin.

    I remember after 9/11 Peter Bergen, who wrote a book about Bin Laden, was talking what makes Osama tick on CNN.

    He finally got to the point where he had to mention Bin Laden’s use of Anti-Semitic rhetoric, and you could just see the conditioned discomfort and fear on his face, which came just from the memory of listening to the vigorous Anti-Jewish rhetoric of the notable man.

    It was like watching a young lady from a time and place where discussing sex was forbidden being forced in public to make mention of some notorious harlot.

    The upper crust White man in America has by and large internalized his fear of Jewish power, so that it feels to him like a moral force, though it is of course no such thing.

  53. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    February 28, 2010 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Bingo, Reginald, what gullible White people internalize is known as ‘The Fear Of The Jews Syndrome’, or F.O.J. for short. As a matter of fact, a guy named Stan Rittenhouse has even written a book about it, its called, appropriately, FOR FEAR OF THE JEWS, which is a biblical quotation from ‘John 20:19′. The book does have a religious slant.

    Thanks, Kevin, I have read that article of yours several times, but still think that you have just scratched the surface of the pugnacious, paradoxical, Anglo/White psyche. Keep up the good work!

  54. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    February 28, 2010 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Heinous Henry says:

    “Jews have already assimilated to the point where they are not seen as an outgroup, which was not the case in Nazi Germany or any other place where anti-semitic mass movements were able to succeed. ”

    O.k. time to join in pilling on Adam!

    Newsflash – a SIZE-ABLE portion of the population explicitly blame Jews for the current economic mess!!

    I have been discussing the unlikelihood of American whites being able to eject Jews from the white ingroup and once again see them as an outgroup (if they ever did). The survey that you find so comforting wasn’t a survey of whites, but an anonymous internet sampling of “Americans”, containing an unknown number of whites, so it’s not directly responsive to the issue at hand. Also, at least one of the two survey authors appears to be a Jew, so caveat emptor. With those things said, I don’t find it at all surprising that Jews wish to spread it about that anti-semitism is everywhere. They’ve always done that and always will. Doesn’t mean anything. If you really think that 32% of Democrats and 18.4% of Republicans have become fanatical anti-semites because they were willing to check a box on an internet survey assigning “moderate” blame to Jews for the current financial situation, you’re out of your mind. Perceiving or even manufacturing anti-semitism where it doesn’t exist — this is a necessary part of Jewish racial cohesion; it’s part of their group survival strategy. By contrast, more proof that whites lack any semblance of racial cohesion is that even when whites are actually attacked, they ordinarily fail to perceive it. The fact that Jews in America were able to take over the power structure and perpetrate the current crop of financial scams without a shot being fired, or even the focus being put on Jews as a race, speaks for itself.

  55. ethnonationalist's Gravatar ethnonationalist
    March 1, 2010 - 6:36 am | Permalink

    “Conservatives who think they can take back the country without Southern Whites are seriously deluded.”
    True, but is it really possible to take back the country?
    What are we going to do with 100 million non-Whites?

    It is time for European Americans to focus on creating a separate White ethnostate (or ethnostates). It doesn’t have to be big, but big enough for all European Americans who want to preserve their heritage.

  56. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    March 1, 2010 - 6:40 am | Permalink

    Adam Jewish takeover of media, government and financial institutions speaks to the fact that Jews have learned from their hundreds of years of experience in Europe. And its not simply a few American Jews, its an international cabal operating in secret.

    Jewish PC is nothing new, it came out of the 20s in the Soviet Union where people were locked away and considered insane for violating it.

    I always compare Jewish takeover to the actions of the CIA when they instigate a coup in foreign nations to install someone more favorable to the United States or someone who is in our back pocket.

    This is not an indication of any sort of Jewish superiority its simply Jewish plans and operations.

    Kevin admits that economic issues are not his expertise. Jews have expertise in certain crucial areas where they specialize which imho makes them vulnerable, not smart.

    Real Americans must have loyalty to the people and to the nation, Jews have no such burden. They operate like a criminal organization, like glorified gypsies.

    We have plenty of evidence to make the case that Jews should not be allowed to live in non Jewish nations. We can make this case before the entire world.

    So you say its a fact that Jews were able to take over. Thanks. We can use that.

    If you think Americans are not anti semitic then you’re out of your mind. Anti Semitism rises on its own among people who have nothing but high regard for Jews. High regard which is manufactured and then enforced thru media ownership and pc. The instant the people find a vehicle to express their anti semitism the same thing will happen in the America that always happened in Europe.

    and the really scary thing is that this will indeed be world wide and the cabal itself will be destroyed rather than ordinary jews. In a contest between world jewry and Western civilization I’ll bet on the West. Jews don’t learn from history because they’re too arrogant and hell bent on their Talmadic evil.

  57. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    March 1, 2010 - 7:07 am | Permalink

    AmusedEuro says: “There are still more high IQ whites than high IQ Jews.”

    That may be true, but if it is true among the socio-economic elite, then it is barely true at best. (I did, after all, say that a number of factors were working in combination.)

    AmusedEuro: “Whatever the comparative percentages among the groups. White elites are not ‘selling out’ to Jewish elites because they can’t find any other smart people to hold abstract conversations with at the country club.”

    That’s not the point. The point is that those Whites who still frequent the country club feel closer to their fellow intelligentsia inside the country club, elite Jews included, than they do to low-IQ, Jerry Springer Show Whites who proliferate outside the country club, and even to middle-class Whites with moderately higher IQ’s. Consequently, while normal racial barriers have pretty much fallen down over at the country club – country club culture is a bit more homogeneous than you might think, consisting largely of multicultural dinners, charity benefits, and other social events – White IQ variance continues to distance White elites from average Whites. This has led to erosion of the race identification of White elites and of their empathy with lower-class Whites.

    Don’t take it from me; just look around you. Or should I say, above you?

    AmusedEuro: “In fact, the whole idea is rather absurd.”

    Any idea is “rather absurd” to someone who can’t (or doesn’t want to)understand it, and can’t assume the blame for his own incomprehension. Try not to be a case in point here.

  58. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    March 1, 2010 - 7:19 am | Permalink

    Yes, Andrew. I suppose that’s what I’m proposing, more or less.

    Once a couple has had their own child or two but wants and can afford another child, they could consider adding a bit of variety to their family by using the seed, or egg, of an extremely well-endowed member of their race, given enough genetic similarity that the new child won’t feel like a “bad fit”. If luck is on their side and the new child is mentally and physically well-endowed, then given favorable personality traits, raising that child within a loving non-elite family might tend to produce an adult with elite characteristics, but who is not as ready as a typical member of the upper class to turn his back on his racial kin.

    There’s a pretty good article on this site which links to an explanation of why this is biologically rational. It’s under the “Golden Oldies” header on the right hand column of the homepage – I believe it’s called “Ted Sallis: Why Was the Understanding of Ethnic Genetic Interests Delayed for 30 Years?” It’s informative.

    Graham struck me as a kind and basically altruistic person motivated by a sincere desire to protect future generations from “genetic degradation”. However, since his death, he has been criticised on the grounds that he paid inadequate attention to the emotions and expectations of the recipients, the prospects of a normal family life for the children, and the accuracy of claims made by some donors.

    Nevertheless, his basic idea would be hard to refute.

  59. Jupiter's Gravatar Jupiter
    March 1, 2010 - 7:42 am | Permalink

    Derbyshire has always been a fanatical supporter of sacrificing NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERIAN TEENAGERS for Isareli wars of aggression in the middle east. Ok, very recently he has a change of heart. But the damage has been done. A nuclear war in the middle east is imminent…as son as the next Israeli-Hezbolah war breaks out…always initiated by Isael.

    Question: if the US breaks up intoi seprate race-based nation states, will Jews be tolerated in the White Areas of the former America? How about in the hispanic nation, teh iranain nation-over one million iranians in california alone- how about the asian nation?

    John Derbyshire:BRING BACK THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT!!! NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN SURVIVAL REQUIRES IT!!. Why should your wife’s people be allowed to come into OUR AMERICAN and wage a vicious rce war aainst THE NATIVE BORN WHIT MAJORITY?

  60. donovan's Gravatar donovan
    March 1, 2010 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    Greco vrote:
    On wikipedia:

    “Lady Randolph Churchill, CI, DStJ (Jennie Jerome) (January 9, 1854 – June 9, 1921), born Jennie Jerome, was the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
    Jennie Jerome was born in Rochester, New York[1], the second of three daughters of financier, sportsman, and speculator Leonard Jerome …”

    So, Winston Churchill was a jew, never mind “philo-Semitic” !!

    Yes, it’ been confirmed by a Churchill biographer:
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/History_07/Jerome_260307.html
    Is Professor MacDonald aware of this big news?

  61. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 1, 2010 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Neoboudica says:

    If you think Americans are not anti semitic then you’re out of your mind.

    This is a strange remark coming from a lady who admitted in a recent post that her family has practically disowned her for her anti-semitism.

    Anti Semitism rises on its own among people who have nothing but high regard for Jews. High regard which is manufactured and then enforced thru media ownership and pc. The instant the people find a vehicle to express their anti semitism the same thing will happen in the America that always happened in Europe.

    Past anti-semitism in Europe happened when the Jews were still seen by whites as Other. The fact remains that the vast majority of American whites now see Jews as white. I have been asking for an historical example of a race that had assimilated a tribe into its own ranks, accepted them as one of themselves, and then later changed its mind and expelled them, returning them to the status of Other. No one has been able to provide one. In my view, that means there’s good reason to think that whites will never be able to expel the Jews now that they have accepted them. Such a thing would be without human precedent. Yet if that is true, then attempts to build an anti-semitic mass movement must fail.

    There are also other reasons such a movement is highly unlikely. Racist numbers remain tiny with respect to the general population of whites because, for a “true” racist to emerge in the present environment, he must have both high intelligence (an IQ of at least 115 or so, I would guess, which means we mostly draw our ranks from about the upper 1/6 of the white population) and particular personality traits which enable him to defy societal conditioning on racial matters. The higher-than-average IQ is necessary for him to be able to connect historical data points in order to see the truth and the facts of racial conflict, and understand the racist position. The personality traits needed to be an anti-semite are certainly much rarer than the intelligence needed, but even if we use 1/6 as the measure (But are one in six people really non-conformists? No, more like one in a hundred, or one in a thousand.), that still means that only about one in 36 people, or ~2.8% of the white population, would be capable of the hard-core anti-semitism we see among the members of this blog. That’s not enough for a political mass movement to stand a chance of gaining control.

    There probably are some people who are racists who are of only average intelligence or even less, but I think, given the huge societal pressures to conform and the tremendous energy with which the dictates of political correctness are enforced, they are much more the exception than the rule. Because such racists must come to it on a purely emotional basis, not really understanding the reasoning behind the position they have chosen, they can often be swayed back to the lemming herd with particular ease.

  62. B's Gravatar B
    March 1, 2010 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    “have been asking for an historical example of a race that had assimilated a tribe into its own ranks, accepted them as one of themselves, and then later changed its mind and expelled them, returning them to the status of Other. No one has been able to provide one. In my view, that means there’s good reason to think that whites will never be able to expel the Jews now that they have accepted them”

    Methinks Adam is desperately trying to persuade himself.

    You ask for an historical example of a people who have assimilated a tribe into its own ranks them expelled them, but no one can provide an example. That’s because TRUE assimilation means the other tribe no longer exists. In fact, the original tribe no longer exists. The population is now mestizo, that is to say, an entire new population. Of course the new population of mestizoes isn’t going to expel one of its own.

    But that’s not the case here.

    The Jews still exist as a separate genetic group, so they haven’t been assimilated.

    Expelling them is only a matter of will.

    And your faith in the neverending power of poliitical correctness to force Whites to continue swallowing their ethnocentricity is just funny.

    Stock traders know that trends continue. And continue. And continue long past the point people start saying this can’t continue. And then, almost exactly at the moment that people start saying, okay, I guess it’ll never change, it changes.

    And the hubris of the trader who had been right for a while, making money, and who congratulates himself that the trend will never change, causes him to lose all he’s made.

    You, Adam. are like a stock trader who’s been on the right side of a trade for a very long while. You’ve come to believe the trend will never change. One day, very soon, you’re in for a very unpleasant surprise.

  63. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    March 1, 2010 - 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Adam: “There probably are some people who are racists who are of only average intelligence or even less”

    What you mean is anti-racist, not racist. Most people have always been against race-replacement. You don’t need to be smart for that.

    “Because such [anti]racists must come to it on a purely emotional basis, not really understanding the reasoning behind the position they have chosen”

    There’s nothing to understand. It’s natural for anyone to object to the replacement of his own people by immigrants.

  64. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 1, 2010 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Armor says:

    Adam: “There probably are some people who are racists who are of only average intelligence or even less”

    What you mean is anti-racist, not racist. Most people have always been against race-replacement. You don’t need to be smart for that.

    No, what I mean is racists. There are definitely some racists who are only average or below average in intelligence, although for the reasons I set forward, I think most are not.

    “Because such [anti]racists must come to it on a purely emotional basis, not really understanding the reasoning behind the position they have chosen”

    There’s nothing to understand. It’s natural for anyone to object to the replacement of his own people by immigrants.

    But anti-racists do not object. They’re all for it.

  65. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    March 1, 2010 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    @ Adam

    It’s absurd to say that normal people who resent today’s policy of race-replacement should be defined as “racists”.

  66. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 1, 2010 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Armor says:

    @ Adam

    It’s absurd to say that normal people who resent today’s policy of race-replacement should be defined as “racists”.

    Absurd or not, that’s how US media frequently portrays them. Maybe things are different for you in France.

    The term “racist” clearly has a variety of definitions. I was using the term here in the sense of what we’d more precisely call “race realists”, or “scientific racists”, i.e., anyone who recognizes both that racial differences exist as a matter of biology and are significant.

  67. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    March 2, 2010 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    Adam your own arguments demonstrate that most people are merely followers who will follow the ruling elites whether they peddle PC or genocide.

    It doesn’t matter if my anecdotal family is PC. What matters is that they can be persuaded to wage holocaust against foreign people who have done nothing to them at the same time they help domestic people who are the real threat to them.

    Its the leadership that counts as KM rightly understands. Its top down.

    White people have always had class societies even in our democratic nation. The founding fathers were aristocrats and intellectuals.

  68. OpFor's Gravatar OpFor
    March 2, 2010 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    Its really refreshing to see that Professor MacDonalds head is still in the right place. Especially after reading other sites like Taki’s Mag, AltRight and even some ToQ articles. He proves once again he is the only one with a clue and even more with the backbone to call people out.

    Derbyshire is a spineless little weasel as anyone who has read his exchanges with Jewcy can see. And I believe that the poster Adam is correct in his assumption that whites are unwilling to expel Jews from their
    “ingroup” this can be seen on sites like Taki’s, AltRight etc.. with prolific authors such as Steve Sailer, Paul Gottfried and Robert Weissberg.

  69. KilldevilHill's Gravatar KilldevilHill
    March 2, 2010 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Steve Sailer listed as a jew is amusing. Sailer “suspects” he might be half jewish (he’s adopted). He might not be jewish. Who knows? I doubt he is, but either way he shouldn’t be listed as such unless you know for sure.

  70. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    March 2, 2010 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    whites are unwilling to expel Jews from their “ingroup”

    A clear example of subservience of whites to Jews.

  71. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 2, 2010 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    KilldevilHill says:

    Steve Sailer listed as a jew is amusing. Sailer “suspects” he might be half jewish (he’s adopted). He might not be jewish. Who knows? I doubt he is, but either way he shouldn’t be listed as such unless you know for sure.

    He sounds pretty convinced he is, so why shouldn’t others be? He outed himself in a post in his Yahoo evolutionary psychology group, reproduced here:

    For an extreme example of how pro-Semitism can come about within an individual merely through genes alone, consider me. Although I’m Catholic, I became very pro-Semitic at the age of 13 when my powers of logic kicked in(and my hair turned curly). I quickly noticed that a high percentage of the thinkers I either agreed with (e.g., Milton Friedman) or whom I considered it a worthy challenge to argue against were Jewish. Since I was adopted, a few years later I concluded that it was likely that I was half-Jewish biologically, (which indeed appears to be the case based on evidence my wife dug up when I was 30). It’s important to understand the chain of causation: having a very Jewish-style brain (e.g., enjoying logical argument), I sought out the best logical arguers to read, very many of whom were Jewish. (You may object that my political views today don’t sound much like those of the majority of American Jews, but I was enormously influenced by Jewish neoconservatives in the 1970s and 1980s. Having gone to some lengths to expose myself to Jewish thinkers (not because they were Jewish per se, but because those who most stimulated my kind of mind more than writers from other ethnic groups), I absorbed from them a lot of typically Jewish political stances: e.g., pro-Israel and pro-immigration.

    Now, my pro-Semitism came about even though I was being raised in my (adoptive) family, which has no Jewish relatives, and, in fact, has a slight anti-Semitic mindset. (I realize my case is only a single data point, so I recommend somebody conduct a formal adoption study of Jews and part-Jews adopted by gentile families.) In the future, however, most children of the IQ elite will have Jews in their extended relatives, which will make my kind of pro-Semitism even more widespread in the future.

    Read the rest of his remarks here:

    http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000770.html

    (Scroll down to the second comment on the page.)

  72. Dirk's Gravatar Dirk
    March 4, 2010 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    “For Bradlaugh, it’s simply not genteel to discuss embarrassing things like Jewish power. I suppose Mearshimer and Walt rub him the wrong way as well. He reminds me of another conservative philo-Semite, John Derbyshire…”

    Actually, make no mistake about it, Bradlaugh *is* John Derbyshire.

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