A recent article in a top psychology journal (“Race Bias Tracks Conception Risk Across the Menstrual Cycle” shows that women have more race bias when they are most at risk for conception. Further, it shows that race bias is even stronger if the woman feels more vulnerable to sexual coercion.
The study once again shows a difference between implicit and explicit race bias. Implicit bias is unconscious. Implicit bias was shown by subjects taking longer to associate negative words like ‘horrible’ or ‘evil’ with photos of Whites than with photos of Blacks. (You can take a similar test here to see if you have implicit biases toward Blacks; around 80% of Whites do) The study is saying that White women are more likely to have unconscious negative thoughts about Blacks when they are ovulating and this is especially the case if they think they are vulnerable to being raped.
Explicit bias, on the other hand, is assessed by rating how strongly subjects endorse negative racial stereotypes of Blacks (e.g., ‘‘Generally, Blacks are not as smart as Whites’’; ‘‘It is likely that Blacks will bring violence to neighborhoods when they move in’’). People tend to give more socially acceptable answers on race bias items compared to their unconscious, implicit attitudes.
Usually the differences between conscious and unconscious race bias are very large — especially for liberals. Liberals are supreme hypocrites when it comes to race. My favorite is the White affirmative action officer at a university who was horrified to find that she had strong unconscious biases toward Blacks. Unconscious biases have been shown to have subtle effects on behavior.
What was surprising here was that these White women were also more likely to explicitly endorse negative stereotypes of Blacks when they were ovulating. The effect was weaker than for unconscious attitudes, but it was in the same direction and nearly as strong as for unconscious attitudes — what statisticians call a trend.
In other words, the hormones that make them ovulate are also making them less politically correct. Their unconscious negative attitudes about Blacks are more likely to leak out in their conscious opinions. The primitive brain wins out over the politically correct censor in the higher part of the brain, so that they become more conscious of their negative attitudes toward Blacks. They would therefore be better able to consciously plan ways to avoid them.
The other two tests of race bias were also quite explicit. In fact, the strongest single predictor of conception risk was explicitly stated fear of Black males. The subjects rated how “scary” photos of Black men and White men were. In general, these White women found photos of Black men scarier around the time they are ovulating — especially if they feel vulnerable to rape.
This shows that despite all the propaganda to the contrary, White women retain defensive attitudes — both consciously and unconsciously — about Blacks as potential rapists. The authors suggest that this psychological mechanism may work by being sensitive to the stereotype that Blacks are dangerous. In other words, White women’s evolutionary psychology is making them behave adaptively based on the stereotype that Blacks are more likely to rape. It works by making them avoid Black men, especially if they are ovulating and especially if they are in a situation where there is a danger of rape. And it is making them more conscious of the real threats posed by Black men and less likely to suppress these attitudes in order to be socially acceptable.
Of course, the stereotype has more than a grain of truth: The 2005 FBI Uniform Crime Report show that though Blacks are only 12.4% of the US population, they commit 33.6% of the rapes of White females.
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although a step up from psychoanalysis, this is still extremely iffy science. One wonders why we whites need science to build our own ethnic cognizance while it comes naturally to middle easterns and east asians. I personally believe we build more desireable societies exactly because of the same genetic traits that make us less tribal. With more diligent work from professor and his likes, and with the passing of the ww2/babyboomers things will certainly change
I have written repeatedly about the relative lack of ethnocentrism among Whites compared to other groups, especially Jews and other Middle Easterners. The view of the paper is that this is not about ethnocentrism, but rather about fear of rape from a specific category of male. I think they are probably right, but ethnocentrism can’t be ruled out. If they get the same results with Asian males (which I doubt) then it would probably be ethnocentrism.
This is in another world from psychoanalysis. The implicit/explicit distinction is well established by a huge amount of empirical data and it uses evolutionary psychology as a basic paradigm. Kevin M
but doesnt the IAT also show less ethnocentrism in black people? they tend to prefer white people over themselves. Doesnt that kind of hurt the theory?
“In other words, the hormones that make them ovulate are also making them less politically correct.”
It struck me that a possible strategy for White Nationalists would be to synthesize these hormones, and then release them into the drinking water. Does anyone here happen to own a pharmaceutical company?
“One wonders why we whites need science to build our own ethnic cognizance while it comes naturally to middle easterns and east asians.”
There is evidence that ethnocentrism has a genetic basis, and is less intense for Whites, based on selective pressures (in an ice age environment, cooperation was more important, while in other parts of the world, tribal identity was more important). However, ethnocentrism is evident in Whites as well, through such behavior patterns as White Flight, etc. White societies probably depend on culture for ethnic defense to a greater degree than other racial groups do. The good news is that the underlying ethnocentrism and preference for one’s own kind is inborn, existing implicitly. The efforts to stifle racial awareness require continued inputs of great effort. It takes much less effort to simply get Whites to accept their natural impulse toward ethnic identity.
I don’t know a great deal about genetics, evolution, or anything, but is there such a thing as having some percentage of a population with higher and lesser ethnocentrism, influenced by genes?
itnw: “I don’t know a great deal about genetics, evolution, or anything, but is there such a thing as having some percentage of a population with higher and lesser ethnocentrism, influenced by genes?”
I don’t know either, but I imagine that differing personality types would probably have more or less ethnocentrism associated with them.
For instance, going by the Big 5 personality traits, I would guess that, in general, people with more “openness” and “extroversion” would probably be less ethnocentric. People who are more “agreeable” as well.
Counter-intuitively, I think that “neurotic” people, in my experience, seem to be less ethnocentric — or maybe they’re just more politically correct because they need positive reinforcement all the time and, so they really, really, really want to follow what the group does — and in contemporary times this means not being ethnocentric (if you’re White!).
admin says:
I have written repeatedly about the relative lack of ethnocentrism among Whites compared to other groups, especially Jews and other Middle Easterners.
Yes, you have. But the million dollar question is whether these racial differences in ethnocentrism can be equalized across groups by changes in the environment. I often get the impression that you foresee a day when average whites may be roused to higher levels of ethnocentrism, and even reach a level of ethnocentrism comparable to that of the average Jew. In fact, you set forward just such a prospect in the closing pages of CoC. Under such a theoretical framework, it might even take the form of the Great Awakening so many have been hoping for — “the Day of the Rope.” On the other hand, if significant differences do exist between the races in potential expression of ethnocentrism, wouldn’t a simpler, better model for ethnocentrism be the same one as is used for intelligence? That is, what about speaking of an average EQ (ethnocentrism quotient) for a race, just as it’s valid to speak of an average IQ for a race? Conceptually, this could follow the same split as intelligence is thought by some to follow, i.e., 80% genetic and 20% environmental. The four components of implicit ethnocentrism you list in your paper Psychology and White Ethnocentrism — GST, social identity, individualism/collectivism, and “human kinds module” — could be retained as an explanatory mechanism for the hereditary component, if desired. Some whites, of course, would have a “genius” EQ, but the great mass of them would still be borderline retarded in their EQ compared to Jews. Such a split between a hereditary and environmental component would better explain what we see. For example, an environment such as that of Nazi Germany would be ideal for fostering ethnocentrism in more whites. But expecting most whites to ever become as racist as Jews under any environmental conditions would be just like expecting most negroes to suddenly start becoming rocket scientists, nuclear physicists, and brain surgeons because of some new teaching method. They’d never do it in a million years. With whites’ low average EQ, it just ain’t gonna happen no matter what happens in the environment.
Adam doesn’t get it. Whites become very collectivist when they realize they are under threat. After all, that’s how the Nazi party rose to power. That’s what scares Adam and his ilk. Jews have a disposition toward ethnocentrism, but they are also raised from birth to be racist and distrusting of all others, taught to always look at all the angles while hating. They are truly raised with no true sense of morals. All the talk of morals and Jewish guilt is merely a show for the goyim. Whites should do the same. That would make a monumental difference right there, although our enemies would scream that it can’t happen, that it’s all biological. It’s biological when it suits them, it’s cultural when it suits them. They themselves are setting up the situation they dread as they have before many times throughout history.
The Jews and their behavior, their policies, are forcing whites into a corner. Most whites won’t be able to avoid waking up. When that happens, all bets are off.
If the Jews truly believed that whites couldn’t, wouldn’t awaken, they would not spend so much time here having their sock puppet patrol post reams of sophomoric nonsense. What ain’t gonna happen is Jews losing the innate arrogance that always leads to a rather spectacular collapse in their power. It’s their low emotional intelligence in so many areas that bites them in their self absorbed, self worshipping asses every time.
Kevin,
But why and how did Evolution program White Women to concentrate their Ethnocentrism in those parts of the month where it would do the most good from the standpoint of preventing Interracial Conception?
To me the explanation is that when a Women bears the child of a racially alien father, she’s murdering herself on a genetic level.
According to research by Frank Salter that has never been refuted, the replacement of an Englishman by a Bantu is the equivalent of every Englishperson losing 1.084 children.
Thus the replacement of 50% of an Englishman’s genes by 50% of an African’s genes, via the mechanism of a White Man having his chance to be the father of a child being replaced by an African, constitutes to the White Mother the loss of .27135 Genotypes of Genetic Fitness.
In other words, more loss of Genetic Fitness than she’d incur by taking one of her Nephews behind a shed and smashing his head in with a rock!
And to produce two Mulattos?
That would be genetically worse than for a White Woman to take her own child, kill it, and then eat the corpse.
“But expecting most whites to ever become as racist as Jews under any environmental conditions would be just like expecting most negroes to suddenly start becoming rocket scientists, nuclear physicists, and brain surgeons because of some new teaching method. They’d never do it in a million years. With whites’ low average EQ, it just ain’t gonna happen no matter what happens in the environment.”
If whites really are evolved for dairyfarming on nuclear family farms, there are a number of implications one would expect this population to differ from the rest of the human races, evolved to live in large families.
The most important differnce here, is that nuclear familes need to have good relations with their neighbours, where large families could benefit from greater internal unity, if you constantly had a conflict going with other families.
What whould be selected for in an environment where you had small family sized farms, where the family survived soly on the work the family did on the farm, is that soial status would be relative uninportant, as long as you could depend on your unrelated neighbours for help.
Next difference that would rise, is that people would back out of conflict as long as they feel their livelihood is not threathened, but since there was no way to survive without the farm, you would fight rather than flee, if there is a direct threath towards your survival.
If you compare this with nomads, there would be no way you could evolve them to fight to the last man, since you could always flee to other pastures, and try your luck there. Since you can scare nomads away, there would be an evolutionary race to make people who are good at looking and acting threathening, so that people flee without a fight, a trait that might be dangerous if you lived on a small farm, where you needed neighbours to genuinly like you, for them to bother to help you the times you were out of luck.
The conclusion is that it is only if whites feel their livelihood direcly threathened, (as is the case with us that write here) would it be posible to get the whites to band together en masse.
“That is, what about speaking of an average EQ (ethnocentrism quotient) for a race, just as it’s valid to speak of an average IQ for a race? Conceptually, this could follow the same split as intelligence is thought by some to follow, i.e., 80% genetic and 20% environmental.”
Adam,
I doubt the environmental influence on EQ is that weak, at least at this time.
When Whites express above average EQ, they are often punished for it (see recent persecution of AmRen as example).
In contrast, there’s no major group of people who are punished for expressing above average IQ. If anything, Blacks who express higher IQ are rewarded with more money and social cachet.
To say the Enviromental influence on White EQ today is small is like saying the Enviromental influence on Black IQ was small back in the days when it was against the law to teach a Negro to read or write.
If you find a pattern of females beeing unfaitfull with men who look like better versions of their partner, then you would expect to find the same pattern with rape, only that the women here, are most afraid of people who look most different from partner.
It all boils down to females beeing scared of the father finding out that a child is not his, and perhaps abandon her and the children.
“I have written repeatedly about the relative lack of ethnocentrism among Whites compared to other groups, especially Jews and other Middle Easterners. The view of the paper is that this is not about ethnocentrism, but rather about fear of rape from a specific category of male.”
Ah, come off it, MacDonald! The aversion to Blacks is still demonstrated by White woman whilst ovulating even though they do not have a heightened fear of being raped. You did get that, didn’t you? Stop handing that dissembling Jew-tool Jobling freebies and just run the obvious inference past the goal line: THERE OBVIOUSLY IS A MENTAL MODULE WHICH IDENTIFIES AND IS AVERSE TO “THE OTHER” WHICH CAN BE SEEN IN THE FORM OF WHITE WOMEN NOT WANTING TO BREED WITH “THE OTHER” HENCE THE AVERTION EVEN THOUGH HEIGHTENED FEAR OF RAPE IS LACKING!
P.S. I changed my mind, I think you should ban Adwarf, he’s really getting annoying, and it’s not as if he ever says anything new anyway. The “global technology system!” Yeah, I got that after about the hundredth repetition.
Yes Captain,
The first thing I thought when I read this paper was that it proves Jobling to be utterly and completely wrong.
If Whites prefer other Whites just because they like being around people who agree with them, as Jobling claims, why would White Woman have a stronger aversion to Non-Whites when they have a higher chance of Conception?
This shows that Racially Assortive Mating isn’t the side effect of some other thing that makes Whites prefer each other’s company.
Rather, Racially Assortive Mating is THE MAIN GODDAMNED POINT of Whites preferring each other’s company.
Let Evolution be true, though every man proved a liar.
This study is more interesting in its suggestion of the profound effect of ovulation on women’s behaviour than its racial implications.
It confirms that women are irrational, and hysterical.
Race behaviour wise, it is inconclusive. I second administratior here, that Whites do not need science to justify our desire to be with Whites. Nor for that matter, inconclusive science.
I find the suggestion that white women avoid blacks due to ovulation feeble.
For starters where is the control group. Women might avoid just about anyone in these circumstances. It is patently absurd to suggest that blacks are associated by women with rape. With equal facility, one could say they are associated with fertility and so women avoid them.
There are also about a hundred other reasons why evolution might want women to avoid certain kinds of men- least of which being social status.
Once again, we have proof that Kevin MacDonald, is not an evolutionary scientist in any conventional sense. He does good work on studying Jews even if it is full of error, but jumping to conclusions about evolution is something amateurs should do.
Then again, maybe all of evolutionary science suffers from arrogance and jumping to conclusions?
The study in question is a typical liberal anti-white piece of trash. It is not scientific in any sense. It is the same as that trash that proved that white actors don’t like blacks. The “Scientists” in question didn’t even bother to test vice-versa, to see the body language of the blacks!
The implicit racial test hyperlinked, is equally odious. The pictures of blacks are not the blacks I’ve seen. They got the mugs from police files! What makes such trash different from the supposed “we are all racist” thug-show with her stupid machine …that bitch running around with her machine…what’s her name? You guys know what I mean.
Another interesting study that collaborates this one shows that the “fear part” of the brain, the amygdala, is activated by seeing black faces. We are wired to fear the “other”, obviously a very important survival mechanism for ancient humans encountering strangers.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7355-brain-scans-reveal-racial-biases.html
@Captain
“I think you should ban Adwarf, he’s really getting annoying, and it’s not as if he ever says anything new anyway. The “global technology system!”
Another obsession of our resident troll, Adam, is his silly assertion about a supposed complete lack of ethnocentrism in Whites (this is the topic of something like 8 posts this week alone). This in spite of the 2% intermarriage rate of Whites, and the nationwide phenomenon of them fleeing non-White areas, etc., etc. It would almost be a shame to ban him, anti-White nuisance though he is, because he is such a typical Semite. Its almost as if he is the forum’s mascot or cigar store indian. What respectable White Nationalist site doesnt have its very own Jewish troll?
This whole approach to being white is bullshit. Like admin said, why do you need science, and in this case rubbish science?
Why are you looking for justification?
It just runs counter to the argument that Race is biological.
And if race isn’t biological, will you then suddenly stop being white? And give up your whining. If you can’t justify it with “science” will Whites then disappear?
Here is a question I have – why are Vanguardists/Nordicists in their obsession with Jews, exactly like Whites obsessed with Blacks?
Is the whole Jew-obsession, a call for Nordicist Affirmative Action?
“I find the suggestion that white women avoid blacks due to ovulation feeble. For starters where is the control group. Women might avoid just about anyone in these circumstances.”
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2 of the 5 measures of race bias in the study specifically involved looking at the reaction to Blacks compared to the reaction engendered by White Men.
And both of those measures (the Implicit Stereotype Test and Race Bias in Mate Attraction Test) were Statistically Significant in their relationship to ovulation.
“It is patently absurd to suggest that blacks are associated by women with rape.”
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Why would that be absurd when Blacks are far more likely to be Rapists?
“There are also about a hundred other reasons why evolution might want women to avoid certain kinds of men”
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I agree, and think this result has more to do with Evolution wanting White Women to avoid the self-inflicted minigenocide that is producing a racially alien child.
“The implicit racial test hyperlinked, is equally odious. The pictures of blacks are not the blacks I’ve seen.”
You’re right. They only should’ve used pictures of Blacks AngryJew knows personally!
@AngryJew
“This study is more interesting in its suggestion of the profound effect of ovulation on women’s behaviour than its racial implications. It confirms that women are irrational, and hysterical.”
When you say, “irrational”, you are implying that women can use reason to control their unconscious brain activity. Female behavior is indeed influenced heavily by emotion, but remember that their behavior patterns have been specifically selected for by thousands of years of evolution, and are based on survival instinct. Please re-examine the article: “White women are more likely to have unconscious negative thoughts about Blacks when they are ovulating”. We cannot control our unconscious thoughts, any more than we can stop our heart from beating.
“I find the suggestion that white women avoid blacks due to ovulation feeble.”
Whatever the weaknesses of the study, it does correlate with a lot of other data. And, it makes perfect sense in evolutionary terms. I hope that more intensive studies are done to investigate this issue further.
“It is patently absurd to suggest that blacks are associated by women with rape.”
Why is that so absurd? We have daily images of blacks on TV, committing crimes. Over half of all those in prison for violent offenses are black, and this politically incorrect news does filter down to us over time. We cannot talk about it of course, but it doesnt escape notice by people of normal intelligence. Blacks know this very well too. Jesse Jackson even alluded to how he felt threatened when he saw a young black male walking toward him on the street, as opposed to a White or Asian.
“Once again, we have proof that Kevin MacDonald, is not an evolutionary scientist in any conventional sense.”
You feel that your questions about the study have completely refuted Dr. MacDonald. He has presented a study that ties in with much other data, and suggested a reasonable conclusion. You then raise unanswered questions about that particular study, then make your wild leap to discredit the good Dr. Do you feel that is logical? To me, this seems like an irrational emotional response, sparked because you dont like the conclusion.
“What makes such trash different from the supposed “we are all racist” thug-show with her stupid machine”
Just about all the data suggests that almost all humans are very tribal and very racist, from brain studies and history to the latest ethnic conflict raging out there somewhere. Maybe its an unpleasant truth, but we cant change who or what we humans are.
@AngryJew:
“Here is a question I have – why are Vanguardists/Nordicists in their obsession with Jews, exactly like Whites obsessed with Blacks?”
You have implied in your previous comment that you have read Dr. MacDonald’s work, and you appreciate his contributions to studying Jewry. Thus, as you know, he presents very strong evidence that Jews are the primary forces behind White dispossession. Whites should be very concerned about Jews for the same reason that in WW2, Jews were justified in being very concerned about the SS.
“Is the whole Jew-obsession, a call for Nordicist Affirmative Action?”
Its a call to separate and create a White ethnostate. 20 centuries of history teach us that Jews and Europeans are not meant to live in the same nation. Jews will be much better off without us, and can create their multicultural, socialist paradise without any undue interference. Its a win/win situation.
Nordicism is bunk. Total bunk. Are the Saami white? Are the Mordovan’s white? What percentage of Swedes are blond? What two ancestral groups compose the English gene?
I agree, there are differences and varieties, but that doesn’t mean we are not part of the same group. If you want a Nordicist agenda, go for a Nordicist group.
I am for Whites having Rights.
100% as simple as that!
You’re saying Whites without Kikes!
in which case I’ll translate: “Whites without Whites”.
Basically, you’re saying 20 centuries of Whites living with Whites, is a problem. I agree. And one would say the same for blacks – 200 centuries of niggers with niggers, is their problem.
Jews constitute a White group with tremendous continuity. More so than Scandinavians, or Slavs, or the French, or Germans, alll of which are 19th century constructs, preceded by various regional and ethnic identities. Labs are not Franks, and Franks are not Ibericos, and Celts are not Goths…are were they at some stage?
Yet somehow every other prime minister and president in America is of Celtic origin, yet is an Episcopalian, rather than Presbyterian.
As Jews, we have more claim to Europe, than 70 % of its current non-Jewish Whites. We made London before the damned Scots and Irish did! And I’m proud of it, and I wont be kissing it up to some upstart group of Nordics who still lived in abysmal poverty 150 years ago.
And if you don’t believe that, then read a history book about Norway or Denmark in the 19th century. Not a place you hear a lot about, and there’s a good reason for it. Poor backwater.
“Jews primary force behind white dispossesion”
That is his opinion to which his ignorance entitles him to.
Let me ask you something – when we were financing the Southern war for Independence, and running the Confederate army logistics and supplying it, and dying on your Southern Cross for your sedition, were we dispossesing Whites?
Another question – who was “dispossesing” whites in the first world war? Was it Jews whispering in French ears – beat the Kraut? Was it Jews whispering in German ears beat the Frogs.
You’re schitzo if you’re hearing whispers!!
When the French financed the Red Indians to scalp the pommies – were the Jews behind the French? And the English when they whipped up histeria against king Leopold in Congo, a slur still staining the nobility of te Belgians till this day – was it the Jews who were behind it?
When the Crabs came into the 13 colonies with their Hansa men, was it the Jews egging them on to kill fellow “englishmen”?
What planet are you guys on!!!!!
MacDonald is a brave man, but not brave enough to face mistakes. A trully brave man doesn’t just seize the moment, he admits to his errors. MacDonald has never been wrong about anything, it appears, and so he leaves a trail of twisted uncouth half-truths.
But still, I will give him credit, and he does good work in some respects. I’ve suggested to him once, and I’ll suggest it again, – if he wants to be a SCHOLAR he should seek to interact with Jews, and debate us. Otherwise he gets stale, and fake.
Angry Jew,
Your above offering is a frothing frenzy of delusional Jewish supremacism, and attempts to carve empirically validated facts out of surface observation and sophistry. What can I say, in the end the vaunted Jewish verbal IQ and intrinsic blind arrogance cannot save you. No, it is not the bells and whistles of certain phenotypic traits that are found more frequently in Northern Europeans than in other groups that is first and foremost in priority. It is the preservation of our very being which we wish to effect, you vile filth, a being which you assert with ‘logic’ so sloppy as not to be worth addressing, has no legitimacy, and in fact is not at all, unless you are a part of it. Yet in the next breath you say that Jews are group unto themselves, why is it that Jews can exist as such apart from Northern Europeans and yet Northern Europeans cannot exist as such apart from Jews? Tell me, you piece of excrement, did matter not even cohere to the point of forming subatomic particles before Jews entered the world?!
Not only are you Jews insufferably arrogant but you are dumber than shit. Go peddle your lies to those who are gullible enough to believe them, and foolish enough to care what a single one of you thinks any longer.
Why do you so vehemently demand that the Nordics you hate so much include you? This is the sort of attitude conveyed by you: “We demand that you racist, anti-Semitic bigots let us into your countries, your schools, your neighborhoods, and your families. We’re always victims of your malevolence but want to be around you nonetheless. You’re evil if you want to stick to yourselves and not be around us.”
With your seething hostility toward those of us who are of Northwestern European descent, why would you be surprised if we don’t want to associate with you? We have no hostility toward you. We simply want to be left to ourselves.
Why do you want to be around us Northwestern Europeans who lived in a “poor backwater” and “abysmal poverty”? Why don’t you go live around your co-ethnics instead?
There are differences among European groups. Nordics are distinct from Mediterraneans. Swedes are distinct from Sicilians. Germans are distinct from Spaniards. Englishmen are distinct from Greeks. Northern Europeans are distinct from Southern Europeans.
As n/a defines a “Nordicist”:
As I mentioned in a response to you on another thread, the Boasians first attacked Madison Grant and the Nordicists and denied the reality of intra-European differences.
I am about fed up with the comments of Angry Jew. Do people think he should be banned? It would be nice to have an intelligent Jew make comments, but this is surely not what is going on here. I have yet to see a specific criticism that is phrased in an intelligent way and backed up with some kind of data. In my particular case, I have replied to numerous Jews over the years. See the Replies to My Critics page on my website.
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/replies.htm#Replies
Kevin M
He is playing for the fourth wall… A caricature who with every snide remark demonstrates the mentality that has brought Western Nations to the gutter.
There is absolutely nothing holding this individual back from fighting for white interests. ( Why is he not at amren?) Nothing at all hinges on his being accepted here. So why is he here? It is a question not worth answering. If his effect is negative he should be banned.
Angry Jew…is there any other kind?
Ban Captain Chaos and Angry Jew. Freak show.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they were the same person. Ditto Andrew and Adam (although that act, if it is one, is a bit more edifying).
Angry Jew is as entertaining and also as hard to train as Bonzo the Circus Chimp. Can the show go on, or indeed would it even be the same grand show we have come to love sans Bonzo? Afraid I’ll have to pass the buck on that one. How I love Bonzo, yet how I hate him. You broke my heart, Bonzo, you broke my heart!
I agree with the comments regarding AmRen and what has happened to them and also what has been done to Kevin, Americans pay a high price if we dare defend ourselves so how are we to gauge our race’s feelings about race issues in the current environment?
Jews must feel strongly that we have a high degree of racial sensitivity or they would never have sought to control news and own so many propaganda machines and they never would have been successful in displacing us without them. After all we were a WASP nation up to the 60s. Remember JFK having to reassure us that the Pope wouldn’t run the government? Jews had to get into our textbook industry and propagandize our kids to get rid of our racial consciousness.
Newsweek did a cover story about the fact that even babies discriminate.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989
I too find it difficult to understand why these other races wish to live among us since they hate us so much. I consider the white people that we are talking about to be the Northern and Western European people who built modern western civilization and who are the heirs of America. We’re Americans no matter if we’re Celt or Italian or Nordic.
Just as we know which race the British are, the Africans, the Chinese, the Indians, Americans are white Northern and Western Europeans.
You can talk about women being emotional and unreasonable if you like but it appears to me there is a lot of testosterone flying around here and perhaps you are a little effected by emotions yourselves.
I’m not capable of making academic or brilliant arguments myself and I’m not offended by angryjew. I can in a way identify with him at this moment because he is frustrated at being unable to control how Jews are treated in this forum which is my frustration at being unable to control how my people are treated in our own country because of Jewish actions.
If Jews would just go live in their state and live and let live and leave other people alone all of this racial animosity could be avoided but it seems the Jew is not happy unless he is causing problems. That is his history.
If Jews are so full of genius and they are so good at making money then why don’t they live in their own nation and do their thing? Why do they wish to be a curse on everyone else on the planet? To whatever degree we are racially aware at least we don’t wish to curse other races we just wish to survive.
Americans ruled the world from our nation and if Jews are so smart they could do the same in theirs. If they can create an economic, cultural and military superpower then great, do it. But they don’t seem to be able to do anything but live as parasites and cancers on others.
Jews take great pride in this until their victims began to respond as we are then the frustration and self pity party begins. I honestly do not know what argument I would make if I were Jewish. I don’t know what that would feel like.
Yet the beginnings of pity are beginning to well in my heart. I hate to feel like a bully and I do think that Americans are so superior that we could do anything we chose to other races.
Jews take pride in the fact that the diversity they’ve created here cannot be solved through violence. So we struggle for a solution and for our salvation. Even if we committed a holocaust against Jews and drive them out they still have their Rothschild’s banks and their stock markets and their financial control so they can still regroup and start again. That’s why we have to have death squads to take out the elites.
Kevin shows evidence of implicit racial survival technique and angryjew wishes to deny it but its hard to deny when Jews are causing global upheaval, pain, death and misery all on behalf of their little hellhole in the ME. It seems that for Jews to have tribal awareness is ok but for others its a crime or it cannot possibly exist or shouldn’t exist, especially if the other is American.
“Nordicism is bunk. Total bunk. Are the Saami white? Are the Mordovan’s white? What percentage of Swedes are blond? What two ancestral groups compose the English gene?”
This is sort of old hat, a variant of the “there is no such thing as race” argument. But just like we are able to determine different species of animals, and sub-species, its quite possible to organize separate groups of humans. Jews themselves can use genetic testing to determine who is really a jew. Whites in the US pretty much include everyone who looks White and identifies with the White culture, without having any really discernable non-White genes. Some Jews may look White, but they are as foreign to Europeans as Humans are to Michael Jackson.
“You’re saying Whites without Kikes! in which case I’ll translate: “Whites without Whites”.”
There are many groups that are technically “Whites”. These include Middle Easterners, North Africans and the inhabitants of India. But when we talk about Whites, we are talking about Europeans, especially Northern Europeans. How can Jews be white when they are majority Middle-Eastern? Are Palestinians or Iraqis also White?
“Jews constitute a White group with tremendous continuity.”
Jews are certainly a group with tremendous continuity, and many virtues. They are tough, clever, support their own and so forth. But they are not Whites. AngryJew, you are in a small minority of Jews who consider themselves to be normal Whites. Most Jews believe that they have special DNA, they abhor mixing with Europeans. Indeed, there is a great deal of deep-seated hatred and fear in the Jewish community toward Europeans, their supposed “blood brothers”.
“As Jews, we have more claim to Europe, than 70 % of its current non-Jewish Whites. We made London before the damned Scots and Irish did!”
By that reasoning, blacks should be considered White Americans, even more so than the Ashkenazi, because they were here long before the vast majority of you were.
“And I’m proud of it, and I wont be kissing it up to some upstart group of Nordics who still lived in abysmal poverty 150 years ago.”
Whatever the poverty of Europeans, that does not change DNA.
“And if you don’t believe that, then read a history book about Norway or Denmark in the 19th century. Not a place you hear a lot about, and there’s a good reason for it. Poor backwater.”
They had something far more valuable than the material wealth you hold so dear; they had a secure homeland, where their children would look like them and grow up to inherit their culture, safe from the threat of genetic extinction that our Jewish friends have unleashed upon the US by opening the gates to the third world.
“Let me ask you something – when we were financing the Southern war for Independence, and running the Confederate army logistics and supplying it, and dying on your Southern Cross for your sedition, were we dispossesing Whites?”
No, but you certainly have been pushing non-White immigration for the past 100 years, achieving your great triumph in 1965.
“Another question – who was “dispossesing” whites in the first world war? Was it Jews whispering in French ears – beat the Kraut? Was it Jews whispering in German ears beat the Frogs.”
It didn’t particularly help that you were financing both sides of the conflict.
“MacDonald is a brave man, but not brave enough to face mistakes. A trully brave man doesn’t just seize the moment, he admits to his errors. MacDonald has never been wrong about anything, it appears, and so he leaves a trail of twisted uncouth half-truths.”
The only problem is that his “twisted uncouth half-truths” are heavily supported by historical facts, brain studies, documented human behavior patterns and the cold logic of evolutionary biology.
“But still, I will give him credit, and he does good work in some respects. I’ve suggested to him once, and I’ll suggest it again, – if he wants to be a SCHOLAR he should seek to interact with Jews, and debate us. Otherwise he gets stale, and fake.”
Bring on the debate. So far your arguments havent been very persuasive, why don’t you gather the ideas of the best Jewish scholars out there, so we can hash this out. Better yet, get those scholars to post articles on the Occidental Observer, so Dr. MacDonald can respond to them. So far, your Jewish scholars have been unwilling to meet on the field of battle. So bring it!
“Ban Captain Chaos and Angry Jew. Freak show.”
LOL! If I didn’t know you were a long-time poster at VNN, and in the inimitable VNN style, I just might take you for a morbidly serious prig, Gruber.
“Wouldn’t be surprised if they were the same person.”
That’s it, Gruber, the world makes sense again! Stop trying so hard, Gruber, I realize that apple needs a good polishing, but it don’t need a spit shine. Make more funny you live longer. Word.
I think this paper is deadly dangerous propaganda, it’s trying to hang a racist jacket on white women, a bit like:-
Anyway no conclusion can be drawn from that study. They used black men and white women, men are darker than women and women use this in judging whether they are men and thus the natural caution that a woman has around strange men, which is less in the estrogen dominant phase of her cycle, can’t be separated from the putative caution that white women have around black men. (see below for ref) Black women may well be more scared of black men – ie less naive – than white women. Black women often know what their men are capable of from first hand experience.
Female brains and male skin tone
Male skin color and ruddiness .
“Do people think he should be banned?”
I do. AJ can’t even present his incorrect ideas in a coherent fashion.
Also, was I making a correct inference from Salter’s figures when I came to the conclusion that for a White Woman breeding a half black child is as bad as murdering her own Nephew?
Possibly, you might ask “Angry Jew”, why Jews don’t have sex when a woman is having her period? LOL. Maybe, that’s what Angry Jew is angry about? LOL
“The time of separation begins at the first sign of blood and ends in the evening of the woman’s seventh “clean day.” This separation lasts a minimum of 12 days. The Torah prohibits only sexual intercourse, but the rabbis broadened this prohibition, maintaining that a man may not even touch his wife or sleep in the same bed as her during this time. Weddings must be scheduled carefully, so that the woman is not in a state of niddah on her wedding night.
At the end of the period of niddah, as soon as possible after nightfall after the seventh clean day, the woman must immerse herself in a kosher mikvah, a ritual pool. The mikvah was traditionally used to cleanse a person of various forms of ritual impurity. Today, it is used primarily for this purpose and as part of the ritual of conversion, though in some communities observant men periodically immerse themselves for reasons of ritual purity.”
“Nordicism is bunk. Total bunk. Are the Saami white? Are the Mordovan’s white? What percentage of Swedes are blond? What two ancestral groups compose the English gene?”
This is sort of old hat, a variant of the “there is no such thing as race” argument. But just like we are able to determine different species of animals, and sub-species, its quite possible to organize separate groups of humans. Jews themselves can use genetic testing to determine who is really a jew. Whites in the US pretty much include everyone who looks White and identifies with the White culture, without having any really discernable non-White genes. Some Jews may look White, but they are as foreign to Europeans as Humans are to Michael Jackson.
“You’re saying Whites without Kikes! in which case I’ll translate: “Whites without Whites”.”
There are many groups that are technically “Whites”. These include Middle Easterners, North Africans and the inhabitants of India. But when we talk about Whites, we are talking about Europeans, especially Northern Europeans. How can Jews be white when they are majority Middle-Eastern? Are Palestinians or Iraqis also White?
“Jews constitute a White group with tremendous continuity.”
Jews are certainly a group with tremendous continuity, and many virtues. They are tough, clever, support their own and so forth. But they are not Whites. AngryJew, you are in a small minority of Jews who consider themselves to be normal Whites. Most Jews believe that they have special DNA, they abhor mixing with Europeans. Indeed, there is a great deal of deep-seated hatred and fear in the Jewish community toward Europeans, their supposed “blood brothers”.
“As Jews, we have more claim to Europe, than 70 % of its current non-Jewish Whites. We made London before the damned Scots and Irish did!”
By that reasoning, blacks should be considered White Americans, even more so than the Ashkenazi, because they were here long before the vast majority of you were.
“And I’m proud of it, and I wont be kissing it up to some upstart group of Nordics who still lived in abysmal poverty 150 years ago.”
Whatever the poverty of Europeans, that does not change DNA.
“And if you don’t believe that, then read a history book about Norway or Denmark in the 19th century. Not a place you hear a lot about, and there’s a good reason for it. Poor backwater.”
They had something far more valuable than the material wealth you hold so dear; they had a secure homeland, where their children would look like them and grow up to inherit their culture, safe from the threat of genetic extinction that our Jewish friends have unleashed upon the US by opening the gates to the third world.
“Let me ask you something – when we were financing the Southern war for Independence, and running the Confederate army logistics and supplying it, and dying on your Southern Cross for your sedition, were we dispossesing Whites?”
No, but you certainly have been pushing non-White immigration for the past 100 years, achieving your great triumph in 1965.
“Another question – who was “dispossesing” whites in the first world war? Was it Jews whispering in French ears – beat the Kraut? Was it Jews whispering in German ears beat the Frogs.”
It didn’t particularly help that you were financing both sides of the conflict.
“MacDonald is a brave man, but not brave enough to face mistakes. A trully brave man doesn’t just seize the moment, he admits to his errors. MacDonald has never been wrong about anything, it appears, and so he leaves a trail of twisted uncouth half-truths.”
The only problem is that his “twisted uncouth half-truths” are heavily supported by historical facts, brain studies, documented human behavior patterns and the cold logic of evolutionary biology.
“But still, I will give him credit, and he does good work in some respects. I’ve suggested to him once, and I’ll suggest it again, – if he wants to be a SCHOLAR he should seek to interact with Jews, and debate us. Otherwise he gets stale, and fake.”
Bring on the debate. So far your arguments havent been very persuasive, why don’t you gather the ideas of the best Jewish scholars out there, so we can hash this out. Better yet, get those distinguished scholars to post articles on the Occidental Observer, so Dr. MacDonald can respond to them. So far, your Jewish scholars have been unwilling to meet on the field of battle. So bring it!
Re AngryJew–its been educational for me to see a different mindset–and how to respond to it.
Re AngryJew–Its been educational for me to see another mindset, and how to respond to it (intelligently and creditably).
As someone who has been banned from numerous websites, I’m rather sensitive to banning posters. On the other hand, Jewish forums have often banned me for far less than AngryJew’s posts.
His handle is AngryJew and he posts rants against white people, and demands that we act a certain way. Considering that Jews pretty much set the bounds of debate on most internet forums – youtube is officially censored by the ADL, major partisan sites for Democrats or Republicans ruthlessly censor any criticism of Jews or Judaism, and all the “mainstream” Jewish media like the websites of NYT, WSJ, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc. – it seems fine to me that we can have our own forum. I’m sure plenty of Jewish people will post various things under various handles, but there’s no point in allowing overt hostility and blatant disruption. Is it even possible for a self-avowed, identifying “Angry Jew” to be a constructive contributor to a pro-European White blog? I don’t see how.
Ban him. I have no doubt he would ban me from his forum. And if I want to find out what “angry Jews” think, I could turn on the TV, pick up any mainstream newspaper or magazine, or watch a Hollywood movie. I already heard from the “angry Jews” – I’d rather hear from us for a change.
“Anyway no conclusion can be drawn from that study. They used black men and white women, men are darker than women and women use this in judging whether they are men and thus the natural caution that a woman has around strange men, which is less in the estrogen dominant phase of her cycle, can’t be separated from the putative caution that white women have around black men.”
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Someday,
The idea that increased fear of Rape is driving the correlation is clearly false.
There was actually a NEGATIVE (-.09) correlation between fear of being raped and Conception Risk.
Therefore we can’t say the White Women were more afraid of Black males when having a higher Conception Risk due to them having an increased fear of being Raped at those times of the month, as White Women DON’T HAVE AN INCREASED FEAR OF BEING RAPED AT THOSE TIMES OF THE MONTH.
“Nordicism is bunk. Total bunk. Are the Saami white? Are the Mordovan’s white? What percentage of Swedes are blond? What two ancestral groups compose the English gene?”
This is sort of old hat, a variant of the “there is no such thing as race” argument. But just like we are able to determine different species of animals, and sub-species, its quite possible to organize separate groups of humans. Joos themselves can use genetic testing to determine who is really a joo. Whites in the US pretty much include everyone who looks White and identifies with the White culture, without having any really discernable non-White genes. Some Joos may look White, but they are as foreign to Europeans as Humans are to Michael Jackson.
“You’re saying Whites without Kikes! in which case I’ll translate: “Whites without Whites”.”
There are many groups that are technically “Whites”. These include Middle Easterners, North Africans and the inhabitants of India. But when we talk about Whites, we are talking about Europeans, especially Northern Europeans. How can Joos be white when they are majority Middle-Eastern? Are Palestinians or Iraqis also White?
“Joos constitute a White group with tremendous continuity.”
Joos are certainly a group with tremendous continuity, and many virtues. They are tough, clever, support their own and so forth. But they are not Whites. AngryJoo, you are in a small minority of Joos who consider themselves to be normal Whites. Most Joos believe that they have special DNA, they abhor mixing with Europeans. Indeed, there is a great deal of deep-seated hatred and fear in the Jooish community toward Europeans, their supposed “blood brothers”.
“As Joos, we have more claim to Europe, than 70 % of its current non-Jooish Whites. We made London before the damned Scots and Irish did!”
By that reasoning, blacks should be considered White Americans, even more so than the Ashkenazi, because they were here long before the vast majority of you were.
“And I’m proud of it, and I wont be kissing it up to some upstart group of Nordics who still lived in abysmal poverty 150 years ago.”
Whatever the poverty of Europeans, that does not change DNA.
“And if you don’t believe that, then read a history book about Norway or Denmark in the 19th century. Not a place you hear a lot about, and there’s a good reason for it. Poor backwater.”
They had something far more valuable than the material wealth you hold so dear; they had a secure homeland, where their children would look like them and grow up to inherit their culture, safe from the threat of genetic extinction that our Jooish friends have unleashed upon the US by opening the gates to the third world.
“Let me ask you something – when we were financing the Southern war for Independence, and running the Confederate army logistics and supplying it, and dying on your Southern Cross for your sedition, were we dispossesing Whites?”
No, but you certainly have been pushing non-White immigration for the past 100 years, achieving your great triumph in 1965.
“Another question – who was “dispossesing” whites in the first world war? Was it Joos whispering in French ears – beat the Kraut? Was it Joos whispering in German ears beat the Frogs.”
It didn’t particularly help that you were financing both sides of the conflict.
“MacDonald is a brave man, but not brave enough to face mistakes. A trully brave man doesn’t just seize the moment, he admits to his errors. MacDonald has never been wrong about anything, it appears, and so he leaves a trail of twisted uncouth half-truths.”
The only problem is that his “twisted uncouth half-truths” are heavily supported by historical facts, brain studies, documented human behavior patterns and the cold logic of evolutionary biology.
“But still, I will give him credit, and he does good work in some respects. I’ve suggested to him once, and I’ll suggest it again, – if he wants to be a SCHOLAR he should seek to interact with Joos, and debate us. Otherwise he gets stale, and fake.”
Bring on the debate. So far your arguments havent been very persuasive, why don’t you gather the ideas of the best Jooish scholars out there, so we can hash this out. Better yet, get those distinguished scholars to post articles on the Occidental Observer, so Dr. MacDonald can respond to them. So far, your Jooish scholars have been unwilling to meet on the field of battle. So bring it!
“And I’m proud of it, and I wont be kissing it up to some upstart group of Nordics who still lived in abysmal poverty 150 years ago.”
If you had known anything about Scandinavia, you would now that you can not survive there in abysmal poverty, like you can survive as poor in a warm country.
What the danish and swedish king could manage to do though, was to tax it so hard, that there was very little gold there, so that people who comment on it, never really say how poor the scandinavians were, but rather how cheap everything was.
Also IIRC Thomas Malthus stressed the point that Norway had the highest life expectancy in Europe, something that could not be generally true of Europes poorest country.
Mary Wollstonecraft, the mother of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, described its characteristics in a book published in 1796[4] as, “The distribution of landed property into small farms produces a degree of equality which I have seldom seen elsewhere; and the rich being all merchants, who are obliged to divide their personal fortune amongst their children, the boys always receiving twice as much as the girls, property has met no chance of accumulating till overgrowing wealth destroys the balance of liberty.
“You will be surprised to hear me talk of liberty; yet the Norwegians appear to me to be the most free community I have ever observed.
“The mayor of each town or district, and the judges in the country, exercise an authority almost patriarchal. They can do much good, but little harm, as every individual can appeal from their judgment; and as they may always be forced to give a reason for their conduct, it is generally regulated by prudence. “They have not time to learn to be tyrants,” said a gentleman to me, with whom I discussed the subject.
“The farmers not fearing to be turned out of their farms, should they displease a man in power, and having no vote to be commanded at an election for a mock representative, are a manly race; for not being obliged to submit to any debasing tenure in order to live, or advance themselves in the world, they act with an independent spirit. I never yet have heard of anything like domineering or oppression, excepting such as has arisen from natural causes. The freedom the people enjoy may, perhaps, render them a little litigious, and subject them to the impositions of cunning practitioners of the law; but the authority of office is bounded, and the emoluments of it do not destroy its utility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_farm_culture
If we take Denmark next, it has not really ever been poor the last 5000 years, since it’s climate makes it a regional hub, where you needed less workinghours to feed, clothe and house your family, than you needed in any of the surrounding countries. For instance germany is colder during winter, making them need more and better houses than the danes. The Germans also have less seashore per area, also important as an addiotional food source for the population.
It is a very interesting study because it generates measured, objective data. 80% of White women harden their attitude toward African males during their fertile period. How do we interpret this results? Firstly, it seems to me that the results confirm the widespread opinion among Blacks that even the most liberal Whites are, deep down, racists. Which does not surprise me. Secondly, a comparative study is needed to discover if Anglosaxon women are more or less sensitive to race and ethnocentric than females from other peoples. The 20% of White women whose inner repugnance did not increase when ovulating may be of a different stock, or so deeply indoctrinated that they lost their natural reflexes. On the other hand, I dont think that anything else we may discover will change society, because deep down we all know these things and act accordingly.
Dr. MacD.’s thinking is always enriching. RE: the ovulation/race response experiment he cites, I offer this. Until the exp.’ is made more specific in order to account for historical circumstance and peoples (e.g., a Catholic Irishwoman responding to photos of Irishmen dressed in, respectively, traditional Irish costume or Ulsterman garb,) how specific can our inference be? The skin tone of the woman? The skin tone of the man?–does a swarthy, brown-eyed Scotswoman show the fear response to a photo of a Lebanese man? Until the settling of the tribes after the Migrations and their mixing, the Other was very specific.
AngryJew:”Jews constitute a White group with tremendous continuity.”
Bullshit. The roots of the Ashkenazi Jews only go back 1,000-1,200 years or so, while the Sephardim go back a bit longer but are now not very numerous at all.
And there are questions if those modern Jewish groups indeed descend from ancient Israelites/Hebrews.
AngryJew:”And if you don’t believe that, then read a history book about Norway or Denmark in the 19th century. Not a place you hear a lot about, and there’s a good reason for it. Poor backwater.”
But those countries weren’t as bad off as poor poor Poland and similar nations, with its masses of destitute dirt-poor Jews. Millions of Jews in Eastern Europe in the 19th Century lived as beggars, thieves, pimps, drug dealers, black marketeers, loan sharks, gamblers, alcohol peddlers, etc…kind of like many Jews do now.
At least the Norwegians, Danes, and others lived in a kind of dignified poverty, working on their own land and small farms in tidy small towns — while the masses of Ashkenazi leeches of Eastern Europe lived in squalor as parasites on the backs of the Eastern Euro Slavs.
j says:
The 20% of White women whose inner repugnance did not increase when ovulating may be of a different stock …
This is a good point. We have to remember that most scientific studies aren’t going to use a definition of white that we would agree with. The average politically correct researcher probably would use a definition of white closer to that of the federal government, which frequently counts Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and other mystery meat as white. Certainly they would include Jews and other Middle Easterners too, where we would exclude them.
Another fact that explains this figure is that some (and probably a large) fraction of that 20% consist of white women who have already copulated with non-whites, and so don’t think of them as any more scary than whites.