John Derbyshire’s “No Life on MARS” is valuable mainly because he quotes a 1998 essay by Sam Francis as follows:
Today, the main political line of division in the United States is not between the regions of North and South (insofar as such regions can still be said to exist) but between elite and nonelite. As I have tried to make plain … for the last 15 years, the elite, based in Washington, New York, and a few large metropolises, allies with the underclass against Middle Americans, who pay the taxes, do the work, fight the wars, suffer the crime, and endure their own political and cultura1 dispossession at the hands of the elite and its underclass vanguard. …
The leaders of the alien underclass, as well as those of the older black underclass, invoke race in explicit terms, and they leave no doubt that their main enemy is the white man and his institutions and patterns of belief. … Middle Americans now face [the imperative] of constructing their own autonomous political movement that can take back their nation rather than assisting the new underclass and the globalist ruling class in breaking it up. The time left for us to do so is shorter than it has ever [been] before in our history.
Francis also pointed out that the elites had developed a powerful new weapon against Middle Americans in the form of mass immigration. The result is what we see now: Accelerating White dispossession and the polarization of politics along racial/ethnic lines rather than social class lines.
As usual, Derbyshire fails to mention any role of Jews as a critical part of the anti-White elite and the historic role of Jews in creating an elite that is hostile to the interests of middle class White Americans. (This is unlike Francis who, in a chapter in Race and the American Prospect written shortly before his death, described Jews as “as the cultural vanguard of the managerial class, providing ideological justification of its structure and policies, disseminating its ideological formulas to the mass population, formulating and often implementing specific policies, and providing much of the specialized educational training essential to the transmission and perpetuation of the technocratic skills of the elite.”) In addition to being vastly overrepresented in all areas of the elite, Jews have allied themselves with the “alien underclass.” The Black-Jewish alliance is over a century old, and now Jewish groups are busy aligning themselves with the myriad ethnic groups that will soon make up the American majority.
Derbyshire is right to be pessimistic about the prospects of White Middle American anger for really changing things. What it really comes down to is the lack of intellectual leadership able to challenge “liberal ruling-class rhetoric about ‘nativism’ and ‘racism.’” “The Tea Partiers will be marginalized by appeals to political correctness, a thing easily done as practically all of them are white.”
This is quite correct, and it points to a reality that Derbyshire underplays. This is fundamentally a low-level race war between middle class Whites and the people who would displace them. It’s not just the alien underclass that is favored by elite opinion. The coalition commanded by the ruling elite includes not just the underclass, but all non-Whites as well as sexual minorities and aggrieved feminists. Moreover, it’s notorious that mainstream “conservative” intellectuals have knuckled under to this rhetoric as well. Hence the furor among respectable conservatives over the establishment of AltRight and the constant harassment and vilification of any murmurings of White identity on the part of activist organizations like the SPLC and the ADL.
This is really what it comes down to, but we certainly can’t blame middle class Whites for the fact that they are not up to challenging the consensus on race. Middle class Whites respect elite opinion and trust the basic institutions of the society. They are strongly patriotic. They are intellectually insecure when it comes to thinking about race, subjected as they are to constant media images of racially conscious Whites as Klansmen, Nazis, psychopaths, and intellectual cretins. And “conservatives” like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and O’Reilly keep telling them that the main problem is those nasty Democrats. These media conservatives bend over backwards to show that they have signed on to elite opinion about race. It takes a great deal of intellectual self-confidence and a very thick skin to withstand the onslaught of the intellectual and media elites who occupy all the prestigious positions in society, especially since many of the middle class targets of this onslaught could lose their jobs for asserting a White identity.
Until White identity and interests are legitimized, it’s certainly naïve to suppose that respectable middle class White people are going to start complaining about their displacement in explicitly White terms. But they will not be an effective political force until they do so. Although they will be in the forefront of the looming battle on illegal immigration (and that is certainly all to the good), they will remain silent in the face of the much greater problem of legal non-White immigration. (Glenn Beck on legal immigration: “I’m not a racist. [Illegal immigration] isn’t to be confused with legal immigration.”)
The war against middle class White America is therefore a war that “cannot tell its name” — it can’t be labeled for what it is but must masquerade as a moral crusade for certain abstract concepts like “diversity,” and “tolerance.” The Tea Partiers are left with no alternative but to fight back with their own abstractions, like “limited government” and “individual freedom.” The liberal establishment has nothing to fear from this.
That’s why the White middle class revolution has to be top-down in the sense that it must have an intellectual vanguard that legitimizes White identity and interests among the broad mass of White people. Until then, there will be much rage but no basic change. And this implies that a huge part of our energies must be directed at legitimizing the simple idea that White people, like everyone else, have ethnic interests.
Facing the Future as a Minority
That’s why the White middle class revolution has to be top-down in the sense that it must have an intellectual vanguard that legitimizes White identity and interests among the broad mass of White people.
I couldn’t agree more.
This is quite correct, and it points to a reality that Derbyshire underplays. This is fundamentally a low-level race war between Whites and the people who would displace them. It’s not just the alien underclass that is favored by elite opinion. The coalition commanded by the ruling elite includes all non-Whites as well as sexual minorities and aggrieved feminists, not just the underclass. …
One of your best, most prescient quotes ever, Kevin -
“The United States is well on the road to being dominated by an Asian technocratic elite and a Jewish business, professional, and media elite.”
— Kevin MacDonald
I love you guys!
Derbyshire is usually pretty evasive about what’s really going on. The tea partiers are definitely some manifestation of Francis’ “MARS,” aren’t they? Even if they don’t succeed, it doesn’t change that they are the group Francis envisioned would come about.
For Dr. Macdonald, it’s true that white identity needs to become explicit, but what ideas needs to be subverted, that are stopping it from coming about? The notion that white nationalism is “racist,” and that being “racist” is bad, must be one of the biggest roadblocks. Should intellectual racialists like TOO/TOQ attempt to subvert the notion of racism by defining it as a false idea created by communists and used only to attack whites, and spreading it through meme and media, like Craig Bodeker is doing with his Conversation About Race?
The coalition commanded by the ruling elite includes all non-Whites as well as sexual minorities and aggrieved feminists, not just the underclass. …
‘promote the worst gentiles’
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Polanski.html
I don’t think the gentile elite ever understood the power of entertainment, art and music to override the rational arguments against self destruction.
Thus the dumbed down suburban white kid shuffling along with his pants half down mumbling rap lyrics.
From the article:
The war against middle class White America is therefore a war that “cannot tell its name” — it can’t be labeled for what it is but must masquerade as a moral crusade for certain abstract concepts like “diversity,” and “tolerance.” The Tea Partiers are left with no alternative but to fight back with their own abstractions, like “limited government” and “individual freedom.” The liberal establishment has nothing to fear from this.
This is the “culture of the lie” that has been installed. The war against middle class America simply doesn’t tell its name, it won’t, and pretends instead to be about high-minded principles. The defense, which must acknowledge the reality of race and is therefore racist, is the side that can’t tell its name. But certainly the last line is true. The shadowboxing of liars that is the response to this war of extermination poses no threat to the attackers.
That’s why the White middle class revolution has to be top-down in the sense that it must have an intellectual vanguard that legitimizes White identity and interests among the broad mass of White people. Until then, there will be much rage but no basic change. And this implies that a huge part of our energies must be directed at legitimizing the simple idea that White people, like everyone else, have ethnic interests.
The problem is that even though they have such interests, most of them don’t want to have them. They are appalled, they are mortified, to have them. They don’t want to be racists, which is what having such interests entails. If that’s the price of their continued existence, will they pay it? I suspect the vast majority will not.
How do you convince people that their continued existence is a good thing, anyway? Can you really talk someone out of suicide, a suicide they’ve planned and worked for decades to carry out? Doesn’t the mere fact that you have to convince them at all mean that they have lost all desire to live? This is the collective death wish in whites that Revilo Oliver observed and found so discouraging. Oliver’s verdict in Conspiracy or Degeneracy was in favor of degeneracy as being the cause of white racial decline, not Jewish conspiracy. He thought that even if the Jews were “vaporized at dawn tomorrow” that the illness currently besetting the white race would not be cured.
The complete speech is available here:
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Audio/rpo19660702_Conspiracy_Or_degeneracy.mp3
Superb essay. Forget about the middle class Tea Partiers. Middle class whites are babes in the woods, lost in the middle ground between:
A. political & economic theories they can’t understand or explain, and
B. the imperative to take up arms, take to the streets, and start hanging the traitors and turning back the invaders, a brutal (but necessary) course of action which they look down upon in their middle class snobbery.
When it goes off, middle class Whites will follow the lead of the intellectuals and skinheads, the elites and thugs.
This is so true. I’ve had these experiences myself. I have been attempting to introduce my peers to various non-equalitarian ideas in sugar coated forms. My typical response has involved dilated pupils, terrified rabbit-like eye movements, followed by half hour tirades about how anyone can be molded into anything, given the proper academic advantages, etc. etc. My favorite has been “If whites were a minority in Africa, then we would be in exactly the same position as blacks in America.” How do you fight against such cluelessness?
Kevin, do you think that “white interests” will ever be a major concern among the relatively high IQ upper classes in the US? I’ll quote from Half Sigma a blog whose commenters generally acknowledge “human biodiversity:”
“Yes, and we don’t want to live together. I went to high school in a rural school with white proles. Nice people but they have no future – no intellectual curiosity, no talent for seeing the bigger picture. For the most part I’d rather live with high IQ Jews and Chinese. White proles typically either fear or despise intelligence and book learning, and then they’re shocked when the elite decide the country doesn’t need them anymore. Driving fast cars, getting drunk and hunting deer are a lot of fun, but you can’t build an economy on that.”
http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/06/thoughts-on-highiq-immigration.html
These people generally acknowledge that racial differences in socio-economic outcomes are the result of a meritocratic structure where intelligence and to a lesser extent conscientiousness are favored. The HBD aficionados do not seem to be concerned about promoting “white interests” or increasing social capital among white at all, but more interested in the delectation they derive from denigrating non-Asian minorities and even low-IQ whites.
Why would “white interests” take precedence over their aversion for being identified with “prole” (low-IQ) culture? In other words, their drive for status (in this case markers for being intelligent by not being identifying as being a prole since proles are the people who are concerned with low-skilled immigration) trump any feelings for group identity?
Of course, high IQ people do not base all of their positions on exhaustive ratiocination (which by definition they are capable of this) because some of their positions are linked with their sense of pride derived from their high intelligence not intellectual deliberation. For instance, it is intuitively obvious that free trade and immigration lower wages, but in order to be seen as an educated, erudite person, one has to suppress this inference derived possibly from a “folk economics” module and retort with David Ricardo’s theory of comparative advantage. Comprehending Ricardo’s theory, indeed, requires the capacity to decontextualize and think abstractly, but international trade is highly context dependent and abstractions from Ricardo’s theory may not be universally applicable. (Never mind, that it could be in their economic interest to promote free trade and immigration since they benefit from a lower cost of labor and cheaper imported labor intensive goods.)
Kevin, you mispelled “$PLC”!! Edit it!!! :)
Can you really talk someone out of suicide, a suicide they’ve planned and worked for decades to carry out?
There you go again, blaming the victim. Your position is stupid and offensive. Enough is enough.
Why would “white interests” take precedence over their aversion for being identified with “prole” (low-IQ) culture? In other words, their drive for status (in this case markers for being intelligent by not being identifying as being a prole since proles are the people who are concerned with low-skilled immigration) trump any feelings for group identity?
But the status concern is a product of the apparatus of public opinion formation. They’ve been told that concern for one’s people connotes low status; the propagandists have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. In a healthy community, of course, status markers would be much different.
Why would “white interests” take precedence over their aversion for being identified with “prole” (low-IQ) culture? In other words, their drive for status (in this case markers for being intelligent by not being identifying as being a prole since proles are the people who are concerned with low-skilled immigration) trump any feelings for group identity? – Aki
But the status concern is a product of the apparatus of public opinion formation. They’ve been told that concern for one’s people connotes low status; the propagandists have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. In a healthy community, of course, status markers would be much different. – Ben
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I think this excerpt from Steve Sailer describes oh so nicely the REAL motivations of those White ‘nancyboys’ in their effeminate concerns, nay obsessions, for ‘status’ and ‘equality’ -
There, that’s about right.
Well who will take up the torch? How many among us race-conscious, TOO-reading whites will sacrifice their well-paying job to fight against ant-white racism? Where are the elites? I just don’t see them coming. They are too afraid for their own comfort and preserving their own skins.
Thank you Prof Macdonald! Wish we had more men like you.
ben tillman says:
Can you really talk someone out of suicide, a suicide they’ve planned and worked for decades to carry out?
There you go again, blaming the victim. Your position is stupid and offensive. Enough is enough.
You are a good example of the white degeneracy Oliver talked about.
There are somewhere around 40 Million White college grads in the US—maybe we are too over-educated for our own good. LOL.
Another exceptionally good essay Kevin. You have the racial picture well in focus. To state that “This is fundamentally a low-level race war between Whites and those who would displace them” is to cut to the ugly tap root of the racial subversion, and a mega bingo to boot. As far as the race somnolent, flummoxed White American middle, and finding a key to tripping their ethnic identity trigger, this could be the paramount meme to do it. It certainly is a statement of fact that needs to be constantly propounded by all racially aware Whites, as ideological reinforcement for the vanguard, as well as a basic proselytizing concept.
Kevin, you are on the right track. The tea party movement is implicitly white, and an expression of Sam Francis’ MARS. At the moment these decent white folks are not explicitly defending their own racial interests. However, they do scare the “elites,” and as the dispossession of whites continues, expect more and more tea party type movements to grow ever more racially aware and become a permanent feature of American political life. It is happening folks. This is only the beginning.
SAM FRANCIS
William Pierce, PhD, late professor of Physics in 1998
As for Derbyshire,
Revelation 22:11 (King James Version)
Adam says:
March 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM
You are a good example of the white degeneracy Oliver talked about.
And you are a good example of a Jew, Adam.
“I don’t think the gentile elite ever understood the power of entertainment, art and music to override the rational arguments against self destruction.
Thus the dumbed down suburban white kid shuffling along with his pants half down mumbling rap lyrics.”
This is where one starts getting into Sorelian topics.
Organized Jewry, with their control over the media, have created potent anti-Whites myths that are leading our people to their destruction.
Some of these anti-White myths are even imbibed by naive Whites themselves… hence the image of the sad ‘whigger’.
One of the missions of White Nationalism is to fashion a potential Myth of our own, a over-arching narrative for our Struggle. Luckily in this we have an example from the last century in Italian Fascism:
“Sorel’s belief in the need for a deliberately-conceived “myth” to sway crowds into concerted action was put into practice by mass fascist movements in the 1920s. The epistemic status of the idea of “myth” is of some importance, and is essentially that of a working hypothesis, with one fundamental peculiarity: it is an hypothesis which we do not judge by its closeness to a “Truth”, but by the practical consequences which stem from it. Thus, whether a political myth is of some importance or not must be decided, in Sorel’s view, on the basis of its capacity to mobilize human beings into political action; the only possible way for men to ascend to an ethical life filled by the character of the sublime and to achieve deliverance. Sorel believed the “energizing myth” of the general strike would serve to enforce solidarity, class consciousness and revolutionary élan amongst the working-class. The “myth” that the fascists would appeal to, however, was that of the race, nation, or people, as represented by the state.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sorel#Political_thought
WNs need to appeal to the white working class. I ask that young WN activists, especially the ones who spend all their time in front of the computer pretending to be intellectuals, to go to lower class white neighborhoods. The young people in these neighborhoods, I have found, are plagued by drug abuse, fatherlessness, and negro culture and are ripe for recruitment.
“That’s why the White middle class revolution has to be top-down in the sense that it must have an intellectual vanguard that legitimizes White identity and interests among the broad mass of White people.”
more importantly we need to unite the intellectual vangaurd with the working class the lower class this is were the “rubber meets the road” so to speak. The lower class whites are the ones that really have to deal with these problems. They just need someone to move them in the right direction.
On a side note they need to be a little more cautious about editing here. This article contians two glaring mistakes.
My favorite has been “If whites were a minority in Africa, then we would be in exactly the same position as blacks in America.” How do you fight against such cluelessness?
Not sure if that’s obviously refuted by S. Africa under White rule, or actually truer than they imagine, under post-White rule.
“Kulak says:
March 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM
I think this excerpt from Steve Sailer describes oh so nicely the REAL motivations of those White ‘nancyboys’ in their effeminate concerns, nay obsessions, for ’status’ and ‘equality’ -”
Well, I like how you use italics AND boldface to highlight your stupidity.
So concern for ‘status’ is effeminate? Calling V. Pareto. Sounds like someone is more concerned with sneaking in his judeo-derived homophobia than defending Aryan notions of hierarchy and individual achievement.
Ironically, those Baptist-bred, non-status seeking, homo-hating ultra-”masculine” Negroes you idolize would probably find you a little “nancyboy” yourself.
sneaking in his judeo-derived homophobia than defending Aryan notions …of what James, man-boy ‘spartan’ relationships or some other pagan nonsense you’re touting here??
Well, I guess I just learned more than i care to about you.
Well, I like how you use italics AND boldface to highlight your stupidity.
So concern for ’status’ is effeminate? Calling V. Pareto. Sounds like someone is more concerned with sneaking in his judeo-derived homophobia than defending Aryan notions of hierarchy and individual achievement.
Ironically, those Baptist-bred, non-status seeking, homo-hating ultra-”masculine” Negroes you idolize would probably find you a little “nancyboy” yourself.
Huh?? Jews are ‘responsible’ for ‘homophobia’???
Blacks are “non-status’ seeking” and “homo-haters”???
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Were you drunk when you wrote this?
*BTW, I, or the Steve Sailer article, said nothing about homosexuality – however, you did. I didn’t mean touch a nerve ‘offending’ you and your ‘people’ – since it was you that is drawing your own inferences.
Well, I guess I just learned more than i care to about you.
Ditto.
Kevin McDonald is brilliant, one of the few true intelectuals of America and a real hero.
Tillman,
But the status concern is a product of the apparatus of public opinion formation. They’ve been told that concern for one’s people connotes low status; the propagandists have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. In a healthy community, of course, status markers would be much different.
You don’t need the apparatus of public opinion formation in order to look down on manifestations of raw racism, such as screaming obscenities at people, or attacking them because of what they are. Reaction to such manifestations are partly the reason the apparatus of public opinion formation is today what it is.
In your ethnic absolutism, and your determination to pin it all on ‘the jews,’ you ignore the fact that it was ‘the apparatus of public opinion formation’ that initially kept the average person racialized (“Tut-tut, we don’t mix with those people in this family”). Without that, most people would have simply reset to what they always otherwise would have been, somewhat racially weary but always ready to ready to mix on noticing signals of cultural compatibility. Naturally in the early days of racial others those signals are few and far between, but as time goes on, as one’s friends take spouses, as children are born, resistance becomes psychologically strenuous, because to describe to yourself what you are witness to as problematic is to declare that the entire status quo is FUBARed; if multiracialism is wrong, then everything about our country is wrong. That’s a difficult thing to bring yourself to believe.
With all due respect to Dr. McDonald, he is falling into the whole racist trap by treating the political elite/corporate oligarchy’s flooding the country with increasingly cheaper labor as just an anti-white racial issue by a hostile Jewish elite.
This is also a subterranean class struggle between the White elite like the Bushes and the Kennedys (who are no longer willing to let their boozers and losers, much less their mediocre offspring sink into obscurity the way the Adams family did) and ambitious, upwardly mobile Whites with higher aspirations. American political family dynasties were unheard of before Affirmative Action was implemented. Any relative of a man who held national office who got another national office did so on his own merit.
Primarily this is about greed by a corporate oligarchy that never met a pay cut it didn’t like with a few refinements added by a hostile Jewish ethnic group. They would probably prefer to use nothing but indigenous European workers, because at least they don’t trash the country the way the Negros of Detroit and the Mestizos of Los Angeles did. They did their best to assimilate to the dominant culture But the problem was that once they did, the peasants were not only revolting, they were organizing. And they were doing so successfully, because they the racial unity to successfully wage a class struggle.
So, the bean counters scanning their profits and loss columns whipped out their calculators and figured that it was worth the costs of a few decimated cities to ship in disparate races who would always be suspicious of each other and act on those suspicions rather than finding common interests and fighting over it. That’s why, though they grumble about the Mestizo invasion, the Negros will not ally with Whites to repel it, because of their historic grudges against Whites. Even though Mestizo gangs are slaughtering them and driving them out of their historic neighborhoods. Even among the Latinos/Hispanics or whatever the hell else they are calling themselves today, they all hate each other. Once the Mexicans displace the Whites, the Hondurans, the Guatemalans, ad nauseum will move in to displace them and always at less pay, of course.
So, no. We don’t have to approach it from an explicitly pro-White POV. We need to approach it from a Bugger Off, We’re Closed, There’s No More Room At The Inn, Go Home POV and demand a one hundred year moratorium on ALL immigration. Period.
We need to end Birthright Citizenship. Particularly of a child born to anyone who is living here illegally or who is not already either a naturalized or natural born citizen. Period.
Subverters of the Tea Party Movement, like talk show hosts who keep saying they are pro-LEGAL immigration know damn well that there is endless chain migration and then there are their friends who come here illegally and have a place to crash. We need to call them on that.
In this economy, with so many Americans who are out of work it is not funny, there is absolutely NO excuse for any kind of immigration. To pretend that we still need legal immigrants when there are out of work Americans who have lost their homes and are living in tent cities isn’t racist at all, it’s greed at its most obscene.
Silver says: “if multiracialism is wrong, then everything about our country is wrong. That’s a difficult thing to bring yourself to believe.” Let’s see….is a Goldman-Sachs pyramid scheme “economy” based on debt and elite speculation on debt, instead of work and real wealth going to those who do the work….wrong? Is a kosher crime lobby legal system doing double jeapordy re white-on-black-crime, while spinning black rapists and murderers through revolving doors….wrong? Is a Jew-media cover-up of the Knoxville Horror and thousands of other ethnoid-on-white atrocities….wrong? Is a Jew-Hollywood culture of death – hype, gossip, glitter, smut, porn, homosex, drugs, pedophilia, bestiality….wrong? Is America jumping through a hoop every time Israel snaps its fingers….wrong? Is the Jew-initiated wide-open borders racket drowning White America in a rising tide of sweatshop labor and hostile socialist stormtroopers….wrong? Go ahead, Silver, you decide. But for yourself. Not for us.
@ kulak, me
Ignore James O’Meara’s charges of “homophobia.”
A perusal of his blog reveals that he is a homosexual. I have nothing against him, but it’s clear that as far as the homosexuality issue is concerned, he’s got certain interests involved. He is no impartial voice on the matter, to say the least.
If we’re going to be fair, and if we’re going to say that “homophobia” was a Christian/Judeo/Semitic import, than that’s one of few positive things going for it.
Silver,
“You don’t need the apparatus of public opinion formation in order to look down on manifestations of raw racism,”
You are what Adwarf the kike well might be if he weren’t, well, a congenitally dissembling kike. You are a White man, however much perceived by you, or in actuality, one the ‘fringe’ of our mutual race you might be. In forgetting the former, and filtering your perceptions through the latter, you frequently mistake “raw racism” for the bottomless rage White men with one shred of honor left to them feel for the intentional genocide of our precious and beautiful people. Cease to do it, as you betray not only yourself, but your people. Our people will and must live, in all their established and ancient genetic diversity; and let those who say “nay” to that find their way speedily to hell.
“In your ethnic absolutism, and your determination to pin it all on ‘the jews,’ you ignore the fact that it was ‘the apparatus of public opinion formation’ that initially kept the average person racialized”
Just what in the bloody hell are you talking about? I have never met a single, normal person who I have not been able to convince that it is of deep importance to them that their people live on as they are. In saying what you say you fool no-one but yourself, and certainly not anyone here in addition. And if that not be so, there are those of whose love and steadfastness in loyalty to our own is of sufficient strength to tirelessly, inexorably remind them of the truth. For truth it is, whether you, and that fucking kike Adwarf like it or not.
“That’s why the White middle class revolution has to be top-down in the sense that it must have an intellectual vanguard that legitimizes White identity and interests among the broad mass of White people. Until then, there will be much rage but no basic change. And this implies that a huge part of our energies must be directed at legitimizing the simple idea that White people, like everyone else, have ethnic interests.”
There it is in a nutshell – you’re a genius Dr. MacDonald!
All our “conservative” leaders are intellectually bankrupt. They wouldn’t even know how to begin to articulate what should – with the right level of eloquence – be a completely defensible idea: that whites, like all other racial groups, have a right to organize to protect their interests.
We need a white nationalist on Larry King debating La Raza’s head honcho whoever he/she is and Al Sharpton.
La Raza/Sharpton: Your organization is racist.
White nationalist: That’s not true. If whites organizing to advance their interests are racist, then your organizations – blacks and hispanics organizing to advance their interests – are racist.
End of debate.
Whites organizing to advance their interests is a completely defenisble position! And yet it hasn’t been done.
Anyone see Charlie Rose’s interview of Dick Armey? You can probably find it on the Web somewhere. Anyway, in trying to defend the Tea Party movement against racism, Armey says something to the effect about being scared that the anti-immigrant crowd will take over the movement. What??? I was so disappointed. Here he is promoting small government – which is what the Tea Party movement is abstractly about – and he doesn’t realize that the biggest threat to small government is the wave after wave of impoverished Third Worlders coming into our country! Small government and Third World immigration are mutually exclusive!
I mean. Come on? These poor Third Worlders are going to demand every give-out available and more – how do you think the leftists got critical mass for healthcare?? By screaming 30 million uninusred!! But where did all these uninsured come from?…hmm – and the leftist Dems are going to promise to keep the freebies flowing. Does he really think these people are going to rally behind the Tea Party movement and vote for Republicans who promise to halt the flow of freebies? He’s out of his mind! Poor immigrants WANT BIG GOVT. There’s a reason you don’t see many Hispanic or black faces among the Tea Partiers. They’re on the receiving end of the redistribution of white Middle America’s income! And the more Hispanic and black faces you see in America at large, the dimmer will become the prospects for small and limited govt. It’s that simple.
As the Tea Party movement has shown. The anger among whites is there. The will to do something is there. But there is no intellectual vanguard to harness and direct it. The Tea Party movement is like the ‘body’ of a white nationalist movement without a ‘head.’ The movement has Sarah Palin and Glen Beck who appear to be the head of the movement but they are just brainless ‘faces’ that don’t know what’s in the best interest of the body. They can’t explicitly articulate for whites with intellectual consistency. And so the body writhes and squirms and will probably run out of energy and die a slow death because it lacks a ‘head’ to look after it. How sad.
God save us.
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http://racerealist.blogspot.com/
We need a white nationalist on Larry King debating La Raza’s head honcho whoever he/she is and Al Sharpton.
La Raza/Sharpton: Your organization is racist.
White nationalist: That’s not true. If whites organizing to advance their interests are racist, then your organizations – blacks and hispanics organizing to advance their interests – are racist.
End of debate.
Which is why you’ll never see it on larry king or any other msm. The best MSM can do is parade out David Duke for two minutes of hate, precluded by 15 klan references and photos of Auschwitz
We need a white nationalist on Larry King debating La Raza’s head honcho whoever he/she is and Al Sharpton.
La Raza/Sharpton: Your organization is racist.
White nationalist: That’s not true. If whites organizing to advance their interests are racist, then your organizations – blacks and hispanics organizing to advance their interests – are racist.
End of debate.
I think we can be a bit more succinct:
“We’re doing the same thing for our people that you’re doing for your people.”
Here he is promoting small government – which is what the Tea Party movement is abstractly about – and he doesn’t realize that the biggest threat to small government is the wave after wave of impoverished Third Worlders coming into our country!
Immigration doesn’t just *threaten* to increase the size of government; immigration increases the siz of government ipso facto. The national government extends to every non-White immigrant the same moral double standard that it employs for itself. Every non-White immigrant is a de-facto government agent promoting the national government’s anti-White agenda. Every non-White immigrant immediately becomes part of the alien ruling coalition. Every non-White immigrant thus becomes part of the “State” as that term is understood by everyone from Ibn Khaldun to Albert Jay Nock.
You don’t need the apparatus of public opinion formation in order to look down on manifestations of raw racism, such as screaming obscenities at people, or attacking them because of what they are.
Your argument doesn’t get you anywhere. Sure, vulgar expressions of ethnocentrism are vulgar. That’s a tautology.
But vulgar manners of eating, courtship, etc., have hardly caused the more-refined to swear off food, sex, and marriage. We cannot expect that vulgar ethnocentrism would cause the elite to abandon ethnocentrism in the absence of an outside force shaping the elite’s opinion.
“Your argument doesn’t get you anywhere. Sure, vulgar expressions of ethnocentrism are vulgar. That’s a tautology.
But vulgar manners of eating, courtship, etc., have hardly caused the more-refined to swear off food, sex, and marriage. We cannot expect that vulgar ethnocentrism would cause the elite to abandon ethnocentrism in the absence of an outside force shaping the elite’s opinion.”
I regard most of the commenters on TOO blog as vulgar, but while explicit expression of white nationalism generally contain vulgarity, this is not necessarily the case. For instance, I do not consider Kevin MacDonald vulgar at all as he is very elegant and cogent.
Tillman,
It gets the ball rolling. It starts one noticing that the other fellow doesn’t much enjoy it when he’s spoken to that way. It starts one noticing that other fellow’s reactions over time: antisocial attitudes, ambivalence towards education, clannishness, higher crime rate, etc. All these things have a genetic component, of course, and it may well be that it’s often decisive; but they also have a social (ie environmental) component, and it’s only a matter of time — especially during times of prosperity — before intelligent men begin to reflect on how their attitudes towards others affect those others. Jews accelerated this process, because they themselves were so often on the receiving end of rudeness and social exclusion, so naturally they were eager to attribute negative social outcomes to racism, exaggerating an effect here, deleting unfavorable evidence there, but I suspect anti-racism would have been capable of avalanching even without them.
That’s the intellectuals. What of the common man? “God I hate these slimy wops!” “Hey, my wife’s Italian!” “Er, well, umm, I don’t mean I hate all of them.” Then the Italian: “Look at these effin spics invadin’ this country!” “Whoa!! Just where do you think we came from?” Put the two together and you really can’t see it all snowballing? You’ve got fanciful “EGI” and evolutionary psychology theories; I’ve got real world evidence of what happens/ed on the ground.
Captainchaos,
you frequently mistake “raw racism” for the bottomless rage White men with one shred of honor left to them feel for the intentional genocide of our precious and beautiful people.
No, I’m quite capable of distinguishing between the two. Obviously if you consider it “intentional genocide” you’re going to be a lot madder about it. The thing is the vast of majority of those who insist on the status quo don’t seem to be hellbent on ‘intentional’ genocide. It’s just that ‘genocide,’ a decidedly soft genocide if there was ever one, essentially ‘loving each other to death,’ is the all but ineluctable outcome
of insisting on the status quo.
I don’t know why you’re screaming at me. I’m all for changing direction. The thing is, you’re an asshole; you’re not about what a reasonable man would regard as ‘fair.’ You’re all about vengeance and hurting people and all the rest of that fucking nationalist junk that has provoked people who otherwise have little reason to feel antagonistic into hating the living crap out of each other; it’s complete tommyrot and I want no part of it.
Silver keeps fluctuating back and forth between favoring forced race-replacement of whites and favoring forced race-replacement of whites. He keeps agonizing over which one to choose.
For Silver, finding out your race is being methodically genocided by the some of the biggest, most evil son of a bitch bastards in history, and solemnly declaring your intention to oppose it, for Silver that’s being an “asshole” and “unfair” and that’s being “all about vengeance and hurting people.”
That’s why the Armenians in 1915 were being such assholes to the Turks, and so unfair to them, and why they hurt them so badly.
So says Silver. Need more time? It’s OK, I’ll wait.
Immigration doesn’t just *threaten* to increase the size of government; immigration increases the siz of government ipso facto. The national government extends to every non-White immigrant the same moral double standard that it employs for itself. Every non-White immigrant is a de-facto government agent promoting the national government’s anti-White agenda. Every non-White immigrant immediately becomes part of the alien ruling coalition. Every non-White immigrant thus becomes part of the “State” as that term is understood by everyone from Ibn Khaldun to Albert Jay Nock.
Mr. Tillman – an absolute poet!
ben tillman said:
March 15, 2010 at 2:08 PM
“Immigration doesn’t just *threaten* to increase the size of government; immigration increases the siz of government ipso facto. The national government extends to every non-White immigrant the same moral double standard that it employs for itself. Every non-White immigrant is a de-facto government agent promoting the national government’s anti-White agenda. Every non-White immigrant immediately becomes part of the alien ruling coalition. Every non-White immigrant thus becomes part of the “State” as that term is understood by everyone from Ibn Khaldun to Albert Jay Nock.
I’ll second that! Nearly every non-white, especially the waves of Mexicans and others from Latin America who are swarming into this country, is an immediate beneficiary of the freebees being handed out by the government. The backstabbing White politicians will court them and seek their votes.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS do have it within them to rebel against their racial dispossession at the hands of post -1965 predatory asians,hispanics,muslims,carribeans and africans. They just need a provocation(s) to fight back…and throw out the foreigners and their “American” born children.
Some of you hear really are oblivious as to how much gasoline has already been poured into the basement. A few more matches are needed. WE should be discussing what the matches are.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS should be encouraged to fight back.
What would happen if Jared Taylor,Peter Brimleow and Kevin McDonald called for bringing back the Chinese Exclusion Act? It would create a great uproar!!!..but wouldn’t this be a good thing…obviously it would.
A predatory hindu named Ustaz Gupta-student president at UCSD-is waging a vivious race war against…the minority White student population at UCSD.
BRING BACK THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT!!!! It was a wonderfull policy that protected the legitmate racial interests of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS.
I do not recognize the hindus in OUR AMERICA as Americans. It is a complete scam.
What is someone named Ustatz Gupta-a predatory hindu doing in OUR WHITE AMERICA?
Aki_Izayoi posts a quote from a supposed white and we’re supposed to take it as gospel. Posts like that are usually made by jews masquerading as whites, hoping to lure in whites who want to be liked or to feel smart. Most of the high IQ whites I work with are finally waking up to what’s going on, as the never ending sea of white faces pouring in and declining living conditions are making it impossible for more and more of them to ignore the situation.
These trolls are here because they are worried. There is no way the non-whites in the US will all band together with Himey to take out the white man. The hispanics would gladly put Abe Foxman’s head on a stick along with that of every other male member of the tribe while nicely taking care of the tribe’s women. They would do this before banding together with the mayates and chinitos.
Silver figures if he can’t be Nordic, then no one should be.
Weird. While reading Derbyshire, I had an overwhelming sense of deja vu. Where, WHERE, had I seen this before? Then the light bulb lit up over my head. The Comunist Party, rich in Jews/the proletariat versus the productive fraction of society! One hundred years ago!
Sorry, Communist.
“Immigration doesn’t just *threaten* to increase the size of government; immigration increases the siz of government ipso facto. The national government extends to every non-White immigrant the same moral double standard that it employs for itself. Every non-White immigrant is a de-facto government agent promoting the national government’s anti-White agenda. Every non-White immigrant immediately becomes part of the alien ruling coalition. Every non-White immigrant thus becomes part of the “State” as that term is understood by everyone from Ibn Khaldun to Albert Jay Nock. – Ben Tillman
I’ll second that! Nearly every non-white, especially the waves of Mexicans and others from Latin America who are swarming into this country, is an immediate beneficiary of the freebees being handed out by the government. The backstabbing White politicians will court them and seek their votes. – Mark
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This non-white Chinaman was certainly a big beneficiary of “our” government — he even bagged a prestigious, high-paying job that should have went to (to paraphrase Jupiter) a NATIVE-BORN WHITE AMERICAN MAN — who then ‘thanked’ the country that provided all this with SPYING ON IT!
What would happen if Jared Taylor,Peter Brimleow and Kevin McDonald called for bringing back the Chinese Exclusion Act? It would create a great uproar!!!..but wouldn’t this be a good thing…obviously it would. – Jupiter
Obviously IT WOULD, Jupiter.