Part 2 of Connelly on White Victimization

Part 2 of Edmund Connelly’s article on White victimization is posted. I was unaware of the following quote from Solzhenitsyn that Connelly found on Israel Shamir’s website:

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn summed up the process during the Bolshevik Revolution, when the

executed army officers were Russians, the noblemen, priests, monks, deputies were  Russians. . . . In 1920s, the pre-revolutionary engineers and scientists were exiled or killed. They were Russians, while their place was taken by Jews. The best Russian Psychiatric institute in Moscow, its Russian members were arrested or exiled, while their place was taken by the Jews. Important Jewish doctors blocked the advancement of Russian medical scientists. The best intellectual and artistic elites of Russian people were killed, while the Jews grew and flourished in these (deadly for Russians) years.

It’s passages like this that make an English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together essential. Americans must be made aware of the enormous risks that lie ahead when White political power diminishes and Jews continue to be a hostile elite.

Solzhenitsyn shows that the Bolshevik revolution meant the rise of Jews in psychiatry. The following passage from Ch. 4 of Culture of Critique shows that the result of Jewish domination of psychiatry in the USSR was that psychoanalysis became official dogma. It also shows the strong overlap among Jews, psychoanalysis, and political radicalism. As noted throughout CofC, psychoanalysis proved to be a very useful tool in constructing theories in which White identity and interests were analyzed as a sign of psychiatric disorder. To some extent, this revolution has already occurred bloodlessly in the West since WWII, given the influence of the Frankfurt School and other Jewish intellectual movements in the contemporary world. Psychoanalysis has died a well-deserved death and for that we should all be grateful. But the theoretical basis for rejecting White identity and interests has simply migrated to other pathologies of the academic left.

This belief in the curative powers of sexual freedom coincided with a leftist political agenda common to the vast majority of Jewish intellectuals of the period and reviewed throughout this book. This leftist political agenda proved to be a recurrent theme throughout the history of psychoanalysis. Support of radical and Marxist ideals was common among Freud’s early followers, and leftist attitudes were common in later years among psychoanalysts (Hale 1995, 31; Kurzweil 1989, 36, 46–47, 284; Torrey 1992, 33, 93ff, 122–123), as well as in Freudian inspired offshoots such as Erich Fromm, Wilhelm Reich (see below) and Alfred Adler. (Kurzweil [1989, 287] terms Adler the leader of “far left” psychoanalysis, noting that Adler wanted to immediately politicize teachers as radicals rather than wait for the perfection of psychoanalysis to do so.) The apex of the association between Marxism and psychoanalysis came in the 1920s in the Soviet Union, where all the top psychoanalysts were Bolsheviks, Trotsky supporters, and among the most powerful political figures in the country (see Chamberlain 1995). (Trotsky himself was an ardent enthusiast of psychoanalysis.) This group organized a government-sponsored State Psychoanalytical Institute and developed a program of “pedology” aimed at producing the “new Soviet man” on the basis of psychoanalytic principles applied to the education of children. The program, which encouraged sexual precocity in children, was put into practice in state-run schools.

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75 Comments to "Part 2 of Connelly on White Victimization"

  1. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    March 4, 2010 - 10:57 am | Permalink

    A character named Lester A. Lefton is the President of Kent State University. As Connelly has pointed out two of Lefton’s student body have been killed by non-student, non-resident, Blacks/Mulattoes in the last few months; according to the Kent State University student newspaper five students have been assaulted by non-Whites (Blacks/Hispanics) on campus.

    But, what is on President Lester A. Lefton’s mind:
    http://twitter.com/presidentlefton

    As far as I know Lefton isn’t a Jew, although he maybe an ethnic Jew for all I know, and correct me if I’m wrong. Is his wife a Jewess—I don’t know? But, he surely isn’t concerned about his students as his Tweets demonstrate.

    Cowardice, or lack of concern for his students, Jewish insensitivity for his White people? I dunno. Lefton is a well know psychologist.

    Governor Strickland should get involved.

  2. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 4, 2010 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Kevin,
    I am musing on what you said about translating “200 years together”.
    In principle, it is possible to get it done by combined efforts of WN community. There are several options.

    1) Translation by a native Russian translator. Cost: two volumes contain apr. 150,000 words (I have it and just counted words on a single page (apr 140 words per page) and multiplied by 1070 pages (not counting bibliography)). Average translator charges $10 for 200 words. It gives $7,500. Given large volume of work, at least 15% discount can be expected. (And I personally know a good girl who can do it – I just asked her for a price estimate and hope to get a response in a day or two). It is possible to get this sum from WN community if a mass campaign is launched (the usefulness of such campaign as a consolidating event is itself an important thing). I will donate at least $150.00 to such project.

    2) Translation by WN volunteers who can read Russian reasonably well. There are at least two men apart from myself who come to mind – Richard Hoste and Kievsky. And I think there are overall a few dozen of such men. If even the laziest one translates 1000 words it would be great. As you might remember, I am currently working on translation of the Preface to CofC into Russian. It contains 32,000 words. I already translated 20,000 and posted those parts on my site in installments

    http://www.ethnopoliticsonline.com/archives/archives%20macdonald.html
    I hope to finish the preface within this month (and i post other things too apart from that). However, the present Russian translation of CofC lacks last chapter – Ch.8, another 13,000 words. So I will do it as well. It will take another month.
    In principle, I can easily translate into English, and if the project will go on, I can guarantee translation of I think at least 30,000 words. And of course, such volunteers will not be paid.

    3) Part 1 and part 2 combined – the nature of such project doesnt require a definite amount of money – and it is not necessary to get the money at once – translator will do the work while funds are being collected.

    There is couple of things, however, which must be checked first.
    1. To find out if someone is already translating the book. People will need to consult all possible publishing houses. I guess an email will do the thing.
    2. To collect all already translated excerpts and fragments to avoid extra work.

    BTW, i think such project could become a truly consolidating enterprise in WN “community”. Given your reputation and status and easily controllable character of the project (money will be paid upon translation and everybody will see it – it can be posted on a dedicated webpage) we can significantly boost our morals – by having done something “real” and increase our visibility – as after it is translated it can be published by some “freedom” house – and please note that the book doesnt need advertisement and actually can serve as a source of revenue for publisher.

  3. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    March 4, 2010 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Back in the 20′s Russians included a high proportion of young, they were reproducing which is more than can be said for the population sink that is the White elite today. I’m afraid the eradication of upper middle class whites in the West will not require any help from leather jacketed Chekists. They’re doing it to themselves.

    The penalties for being a White activist in the future will be more along the lines of the following

    <a href="IN the Brezhnev era a new disease was described: ‘sluggish’ or ‘creeping’ schizophrenia, the only symptom of which was the expression of politically unacceptable views. Dissidents were treated with massive doses of psychoactive drugs, which produced agonising side effects.

    According to one former detainee, Viktor Fainberg, confining political activists in a mental hospital not only punished the offenders, but also discredited their ideas in the eyes of the Soviet public which, by and large, has a rather intolerant attitude to mental illness. Even in ‘mild’ cases of dissent – for instance, criticising the lack of safety precautions in the workplace – just placing the offender’s name on the psychiatric register was enough to ensure years of discrimination in employment, housing and the educational prospects of the offender’s children.

    Gisele Bundchen is a paragon of White womanhood ?. (Site contains nudity)

  4. Shawn's Gravatar Shawn
    March 4, 2010 - 3:03 pm | Permalink
  5. me's Gravatar me
    March 4, 2010 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    The bolshiviks also denied the upper educated classes access to universities – instead the unis were filled with jews and the worst, dumbest gentiles they could find-
    Which is exactly what happened in our elite schools – white christian males make up about 10% of harvard undergrad- go to any campus, in the graduate programs you will see white females paired with minority males – the only partner prospects available.

    the non-publication of 200 years together is a perfect example of reality=media – not one in a 100 americans know the jewish role in communism – and given that, all the sudden you dont have to be a ‘holocaust denier’ to realize the official story leaves quite a bit out.. kind of like the kid who complains to the teacher he got a black eye, but failed to mention he was bullying another kid who fought back.

    I am actually kind of suprised more violence against whites hasn’t occurred directly from jews- you CAN’T have that kind of boiling hatred for white christians AND that kind of power without a strong temptation to use it..its only a matter of time now.

    the piece also makes an important point i have been emphasizing: the officer corp, cia, fbi, and local law enforcement are quietly being purged of whites so that no white solidarity can exist anywhere, about the only ones they haven’t touched yet are the SEALS – even the Rangers have been pc-ed to some extent.

  6. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    March 4, 2010 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t our elites form a committee to figure out a way to deal with the Jewish problem?

    This has never been done before in hundreds of years of Jewish problems against White nations and the Catholic Church and Christianity.

    We need such a committee to sit down and figure out a counter strategy. Then the A3P party should implement that strategy.

    Its incredible that Jews could do what they did in Russia and now carry out the same program in the United States and nobody knows what to do. This is unacceptable. Form a committee and study this and find a solution.

    Stop worrying about what the people do and how the people react if the solution is top down. For God’s sake figure out a sensible strategy and work together instead of running around like chickens with your heads cut off. Why are our White people not applying scientific methods and finding the Solution?

  7. Darren's Gravatar Darren
    March 4, 2010 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I would be interested in financially contributing to a full English translation of Solzhenitsyn (200 Years Together). What would it take to get this project off the ground? We should aim for an academic-quality translation. We don’t need a publisher – we have the Internet.

    Having this book in English would be a small victory and revolution for our cause.

  8. anon's Gravatar anon
    March 4, 2010 - 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Only $7500? I might be interested in funding (i.e., investing in) the entire translation project mentioned by ‘RF’ above. Please elaborate…

    The way things are headed, I think white nationalists might be better served if we formed private security companies and and private police forces. A new dark ages are almost upon us, and if we are going to fight back it will take more than a mind to get the job done.

  9. Fabricius's Gravatar Fabricius
    March 4, 2010 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Just an addition to list of quotations in the article: I am reading John Derbyshire’s book right now and just learned that Dr. Kamau Kambon, African professor of education at Saint Augustine’s College in Rayleigh, NC, a historically black institution, said in 2005, on CSPAN:

    “The problem on the planet is white people. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem.”

    Pooling all these quotes together like this makes for a scary trend. There’s a lot of hate in the air against us. Substitute the name of any other racial or ethnic group in these quotations, and a white person for the speaker, and we can all guess what would happen!

  10. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    March 4, 2010 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    RF, your idea of raising money for a translation is fantastic; I will also donate for such an effort.

    If that is successful, can we do the same for Currency Wars by Song Hongbing? Chinese may be harder to arrange, but I will definitely pay for a translation of that.

    Currency Wars, by Song Hongbing – *very* worth reading up on. The Chinese know more about our ruling class than we do, it’s a dire situation.

  11. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    March 4, 2010 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Connelly’s second article uses a recent cover of Vogue magazine. When that Vogue cover came out, the usual crowd denounced it as “racist” – against black people, not against white people. The photographer is Annie Leibovitz, who also did the Vanity Fair cover of Miley Cyrus, which was also controversial, and the latest VF cover, “The New Hollywood” showing three gorgeous – and very white, even Nordic – newly famous actresses.

    Vanity Fair and Vogue are of course the most influential and top elite magazines in their market. The people who run them are completely and consciously aware of all the issues discussed on sites like TOO, and Leibovitz knows perfectly well the racial nature of many of her covers. I would assume that various PR agencies are tasked to stir up “racial controversies” about the covers.

    It’s like a wink and a nod from your overclass.

  12. mark's Gravatar mark
    March 4, 2010 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    anon said:
    March 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM

    “The way things are headed, I think white nationalists might be better served if we formed private security companies and and private police forces. A new dark ages are almost upon us, and if we are going to fight back it will take more than a mind to get the job done.”

    Do you have any idea what’s involved in forming a private security company? What did you have in mind?

  13. Old Raven's Gravatar Old Raven
    March 4, 2010 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Count me in on the funding/investment of “200 years together”. The editor of this blog can contact me for at least $500 towards that end when he’s ready.

  14. Old Raven's Gravatar Old Raven
    March 4, 2010 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Of course, I would like a “gratis” copy of the work! :)

  15. ben tillman's Gravatar ben tillman
    March 4, 2010 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    We can also translate from the German and French. Here’s a little sample (from the German). From the second volume, chapter 8 (In the Camps of the Gulag), page 345:

    If I wanted to generalize that the Jews in the camps had an especially difficult life, no one would forbid my speech, and there would be no complaints that I was engaging in tendentious national generalizations. In the camps, however, it was otherwise. The Jews, as far as it is possible to generalize, had an easier life than all others.

    Semjon Badasch, with whom I was incarcerated in Ekibastus, explained in his camp memoirs how he later – in the camp in Norilsk – managed to be assigned to the medical unit: Max Minz asked the radiologist Laszlo Nussbaum to put in a good word for him with the leader of the medical unit, a free man. Badasch was chosen. But at least Badasch had studied medicine for three years before his arrest. In contrast, the other low-level medical personnel around him – Genkin, Gorelik, Gurewitsch (and even my friend Lew Kopelew, in the camp at Unsha) – had never before had anything to do with medicine.

  16. me's Gravatar me
    March 4, 2010 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    We can also translate from the German and French
    i believe they are copyrighted. wouldn’t any of this require buying author rights. ?

    books can be printed fairly cheaply these days.. of course if ignoring it didn’t work organized jewery would jump all over it as ‘self published’

    its just amazing – and a tribute to jewish power that the book of a nobel prize winning author has not been translated into english – i know jews have that much power in the US – but I always thought the UK publishing houses were a bit more independent .

  17. me's Gravatar me
    March 4, 2010 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    it would also be interesting to see the ‘right’ ‘conservative’ ‘republicans’ join the left in denouncing the book.

  18. White Preservationist's Gravatar White Preservationist
    March 4, 2010 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    “The best intellectual and artistic elites of Russian people were killed, while the Jews grew and flourished in these (deadly for Russians) years.”

    Yup — it was an aristocide.

    It happened recently in Iraq too…it’s a ‘Jewish evolutionary strategy’ to take over nations and their resources: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Decapitation.html

  19. White Preservationist's Gravatar White Preservationist
    March 4, 2010 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Neoboudica:”Why don’t our elites form a committee to figure out a way to deal with the Jewish problem? This has never been done before in hundreds of years of Jewish problems against White nations and the Catholic Church and Christianity. We need such a committee to sit down and figure out a counter strategy. Then the A3P party should implement that strategy.”

    If people in the pro-White community was willing to pay me a living wage for about year or so, I could quite easily amass the largest database of Jewish bankers, communists, criminals, plutocrats, billionaires, lawyers, academics, and so on the world has ever seen. I want to start a wiki site called ‘Jewpedia’ (or something like that) which definitively documents disproportionate Jewish influence over The West. I could easily gather the names of all of the Jewish billionaires in the USA and other Western nations, for instance, to provide proof to people that Jews have too much control over the economic system of Western nations. Same with Jewish bankers, economists, communists, feminists, etc.

  20. White Preservationist's Gravatar White Preservationist
    March 4, 2010 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    anon:”A new dark ages are almost upon us…”

    Indeed – http://www.darkage.fsnet.co.uk/

  21. White Preservationist's Gravatar White Preservationist
    March 4, 2010 - 7:42 pm | Permalink

    “If people in the pro-White community was willing to pay me a living wage for about year or so…”

    BAH – typos: should read – “If people in the pro-White community were willing to pay me a living wage for about a year or so, I could quite easily amass the largest database of Jewish billionaires, etc…”

  22. White Preservationist's Gravatar White Preservationist
    March 4, 2010 - 7:46 pm | Permalink
  23. ben tillman's Gravatar ben tillman
    March 4, 2010 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    I want to start a wiki site called ‘Jewpedia’ (or something like that) which definitively documents disproportionate Jewish influence over The West.

    You should have a lot of fun with the following site:

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/

  24. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    March 4, 2010 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I had a look at http://www.darkage.fsnet.co.uk. Among many other priceless gems is this:

    “Caring for the premature babies born to
    teenage mothers in American inner cities probably
    costs more than would the education and job
    opportunities that might stop them falling pregnant
    in the first place. People know this. They can
    see that the present situation is crazy.”

    Last I looked, educational & employment opportunies were pouring out of their ears but it doesn’t seem to be doing much good. Gee, what could this author be missing? Anyone want to take a stab at it?

  25. Chase Holbrooke's Gravatar Chase Holbrooke
    March 4, 2010 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know of a good English-language history of Eastern Europe and Russia that covers relations between the Jews and their Slavic neighbors/hosts? (Aside from Solzhenitsyn’s work, which has yet to be translated.) Obviously, I would want something objective. (No Jewish hagiography and self-aggrandizement masquerading as scholarly history.)

    The history of the Slavic nations in relation to Jews is important, because Jewry’s frequent whining about Slavic persecutions obscures the fact that Jewish communities in Poland, the Ukraine etc. were often allied to oppressive feudal elites. Jewish kvetching about pograms is telling, because it essentially amounts to complaining about the national liberation and self-determination of Slavic peoples who overthrew their exploitative aristocratic elites (and their Jewish collaborators). This is especially true in the case of the Ukraine, as Dr. Raphael Johnson has detailed on his VOR show. In the modern era, communist Jews in Eastern Europe are vulnerable to even more massive criticism over their enthusiastic slaughter of Christian and nationalist Slavs who resisted communism.

    Eastern European history is not flattering to Jews. That’s why we hear so little about it–beyond the usual philosemitic platitudes. We should all learn more about this fascinating place and time…

  26. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 5, 2010 - 12:31 am | Permalink

    From the article (quoting Fausette):

    If the majority of European American Christians held the most lucrative niches in American society, the media would be unable to depict us as a cruel and “intolerant” majority whose niches rightfully belong to the victims of “White hatred and oppression.”

    Strictly speaking this seems to be an incorrect statement, since even the estimates of infiltration which KM gives in CoC don’t amount to a Jewish majority.

    “One conclusion of this volume is that Jews have played a decisive role in developing highly influential intellectual and political movements that serve their interests in contemporary Western societies. These movements are only part of the story however. There has been an enormous growth in Jewish power and influence in Western societies generally, particularly the United States. Ginsberg (1993) notes that Jewish economic status and cultural influence have increased dramatically in the United States since 1960. Shapiro (1992, 116) shows that Jews are overrepresented by at least a factor of nine on indexes of wealth, but that this is a conservative estimate, because much of Jewish wealth is in real estate, which is difficult to determine and easy to hide. While constituting approximately 2.4 percent of the population of the United States, Jews represented half of the top one hundred Wall Street executives and about 40 percent of admissions to Ivy League colleges. Lipset and Raab (1995) note that Jews contribute between one-quarter and one-third of all political contributions in the United States, including one-half of Democratic Party contributions and one-fourth of Republican contributions. … Jews are thus overrepresented by a factor of at least 13 based on their percentage of the population and are overrepresented by a factor of approximately 6.5 if adjustment is made for their higher average income. … [I]nfluence is affected not only by mobilization but also by the resources held by the group. Salter estimates that Jews control approximately 26 percent of the “cybernetic resources” of the United States (i.e., resources as measured by representation in key areas such as government, media, finance academia, corporations, and entertainment). This average level of resource control reflects both areas of high (>40 percent) Jewish representation (e.g., mass media, high finance, the legal profession, the intellectual elite, entertainment) and low (<10 percent) Jewish representation (e.g., corporate elite, military leaders, religious leaders, legislators). The overall estimate is comparable to that made by Lerner et al. (1996, 20) based on data gathered in the 1970s and 1980s. Lerner et al. arrive at a 23 percent overall Jewish representation in American elites. The results also parallel levels of Jewish overrepresentation in other societies, as in early twentieth-century Germany where Jews constituting approximately one percent of the population controlled approximately 20 percent of the economy (Mosse 1987, 1989) and also had a dominating influence on the media and the production of culture (Deak 1968, 28; Laquer 1974, 73)."
    – Professor Kevin MacDonald, (1998), The Culture of Critique, pp. 304-6, 1stBooks.

    Whites are still in the majority, and although that majority is now much slimmer than it used to be, we should recall that it was once almost a 100% majority. And yet those whites of a former era, utterly devoid of any innate protectiveness for their own race, willingly yielded control up to the interloping Jews. Moreover, this characteristic lack of white racial cohesion continues. The whites of today, even at this late hour, still could enforce the power of their majority if they wished, but they don’t. Why not? KM would say they have too much “white guilt”. The little darlings are too worried about their precious reputations to speak up. They are “too moral”, too conscientious — so moral and conscientious that they willingly commit genocides for the Jews, discriminate against their own children in Affirmative Action schemes, and turn a blind eye as feral negroes rape and murder their own racial kin, among other things. I ask you, dear reader, if that isn’t proof of their morality then what is?

    Ah, but wait, I remember now, that’s not something they’re doing willingly. It’s because their brains have been hijacked! So they are indeed moral, the most moral people in the whole world, and they deserve every credit for that — even if they don’t really know what they’re doing. Whatever crimes they commit while being so moral are therefore excusable — somebody else’s fault. They have an air-tight alibi.

    Nice work if you can get it! :-D

    But, one wonders, what was the excuse back when they had total control, and the Jews were just arriving? Offhand, I don’t remember, but I’m sure it must be a good one.

    The Fausette quote from the article continues:

    The very fact that the media vilification of the European American Christian majority goes on apace is proof positive that people who identify with us and have a concern for our welfare are no longer in the ascendancy.

    Certainly that much seems to be true. Whites are in decline, and have been for decades now, perhaps even milleniums. The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from “white guilt”, that’s for sure. Cochran and Harpending are demonstrably right when they say that we are more different genetically from people who lived 2000 years ago than those people were different from Stone Age tribesmen.

    There may be many more of us, it is true, but we no longer occupy the elite niches in which power is centralized. Even our ability to depict a positive image of ourselves to our own populations and to the peoples of the world has been wrested from us by the hands of powerful and persistent detractors.

    But power was not wrested away from them, it was given away.

    Back to the article, Connelly now:

    But we’ve got to break the spell Whites are under. We’ve got to restore their normal sense of group identification and self preservation. Ben Franklin, after all, got it right when he wrote, “God helps those who help themselves.” Whites of the world, by all means, start helping yourselves!

    I would suggest that if whites ever had such a “normal” sense of group identification and self preservation they never would have voluntarily ceded power to the Jews. We need look no farther for the proof that they never had such a sense than our present situation, considered perhaps alongside the pesky fact that they fought both a Civil War and two World Wars against the cause of their own racial world supremacy.

    Any impartial examination must therefore conclude that anti-racism, not racism, is the historical norm for whites. Waiting for whites to finally start caring for each other as a race is like waiting for Godot to arrive, and we can foresee it will be about as successful.

  27. March 5, 2010 - 1:18 am | Permalink

    “Certainly that much seems to be true. Whites are in decline, and have been for decades now, perhaps even millenniums.”

    Yeah, Whites were in decline when we were taking over Australia and almost of all of North America above the Rio Grande!

    STFU.

    “The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from ‘white guilt’, that’s for sure.”

    Neither did Charles Martel or Adolf Hitler. Neither did any White I’m aware of in the Middle Ages.

    When the Turk was attacking Europe in the 17th Century, did anyone say: ‘Let’s give the Turk our lands, to absolve our racial sins’?

    Like hell they did.

    For just one thing, the whole idea of holding your own group’s feet to the fire for past racial sins wasn’t yet introduced into mainstream European Thought by the Jews.

    Racial sins were only thought of in terms of what other races did, and even injustices committed by Whites against Non-Whites were only considered chargeable to the individual who inflicted the specific injustice, to the extent that they were considered injustices at all.

    You do realize that Andy Jackson was a hero in his day, right? You know, the one who made the Redskins walk the Trail of Tears.

    In fact, they liked him so much they elected him President.

    “Cochran and Harpending are demonstrably right when they say that we are more different genetically from people who lived 2000 years ago than those people were different from Stone Age tribesmen.”

    Where did they make such an idiotic assertion?

    Our intellectual capabilities are much more similar to people who lived 2,000 years ago than to Stone Age Tribesmen.

    There’s more in common between James Joyce and Ovid, than between Ovid and Og

    “I would suggest that if whites ever had such a ‘normal’ sense of group identification and self preservation they never would have voluntarily ceded power to the Jews.”

    If Whites never had a normal sense of group identification and self-preservation, they would not currently exist.

    It’s not like we lived in a land of kittens and snowglobes all those years, and then only in the last few Centuries were exposed to competition.

    Islam put everything it had into taking over Europe, and failed thanks to Whites showing Group Cohesion and a proper degree of concern for maintaining racial and cultural purity.

    I will conclude with a quote from Portia, a character in Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice, in which she expresses her feeling on the dejected leave taken her by a Berber blooded Prince who was attempting to woe her:

    A gentle riddance. Draw the curtains, go.
    Let all of his complexion choose me so.

  28. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 1:24 am | Permalink

    Great to hear several positive responses on the matter of handling translation of “200 years together”, especially incredibly lavish promises from some comrades.

    I, however, would like to hear the voice of KMD. He should become the center of the project.

    Let me elaborate a little on technical details. A wiki-page should be set on some website – and there are several ongoing specifically WN “online-encyclopedias”. The page will contain pages with russian text, translated text and administrative boards where people will indicate who works on which part and discuss all questions. The translated text will require editing and polishing.

    Payments for translated material, done by hired translators, will be performed initially by KMD from accumulating donations by means of PayPal, and after the full steam is on he can delegate this function to someone reliable (like me).

    I dont want to pay to laymen translators – it will be better if money go to our nationalist friends who may use them on the Russian causes, so i will propagate the idea among russian nationalists.

    Kevin, what say you?

    Let

  29. spear points and snares's Gravatar spear points and snares
    March 5, 2010 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    “We need look no farther for the proof that they never had such a sense than our present situation…”

    The present situation, as MacDonald has well documented, is in large part due to Jewish influences.

    “…considered perhaps alongside the pesky fact that they fought both a Civil War and two World Wars against the cause of their own racial world supremacy.”

    Or, the “pesky fact” that none of these three wars had anything to do with whites acting against the cause of their own “racial world supremacy”

    The American Civil War was, as the name implies, limited to the USA and was fought due to differences in worldview and interests between north and south, the “moral rectitude” (and business interests) of the “Yankee” north, the desire of the south for independence, and the desire of Lincoln and the Union soldiery to preserve the Union. The typical Union soldier did not fight in a cause against “worldwide white racial supremacy.” They fought to preserve the Union. If Lincoln could be held to his words, he wanted to ship the freed Negroes out. Some leading “northern” figures, like the Blairs, were “racist.” No doubt, there were the moralistic anti-slavery crusaders, and some of them were quite insane, which suggests that these impulses percolate within (at least some) whites sans Jews. But, guess what? After the war, and a brief fling with “Reconstruction” Jim Crow was imposed. Segregation lasted until post WWII, when a certain non-Negro group, leading the NAACP, started to attack it. Sans Jews, whites were able to contain and control their native “anti-racist” crazies. The catalyst for overturning “racial supremacy” came from outside.

    The two World Wars were a result of European nation states, thinking short-term, valuing (perceived) national interests over long-term civilizational stability. They should have listened to Lindbergh and Stoddard. But, Hitler and Churchill and Mussolini (or even Roosevelt and Stalin for that matter) did not war to destroy “white racial supremacy.”

    “Any impartial examination must therefore conclude that anti-racism, not racism, is the historical norm for whites.”

    The exact opposite is in fact true; “anti-racism” is a recent and imposed phenomenon. Even after decades of brainwashing, if the current regime would loosen the reigns of control, and if a free marketplace of ideas would obtain, much of today’s “anti-racism” would dissipate as fast as the USSR fell apart, once the control was loosened there. Unfortunately, our current masters seem to know the old adage that revolutions do not occur during periods of extreme repression, but only when that repression is suddenly relaxed.

    “Waiting for whites to finally start caring for each other as a race is like waiting for Godot to arrive, and we can foresee it will be about as successful.”

    The problem, historically, has been more in the opposite direction, too much narrow tribalism; hardly “anti-racism.”

    But, I guess that Adam Sunstein will have has wait for the “inevitable” collapse of technological civilization, all the while using the global Internet grid to discuss it all.

  30. Pitbullexpress's Gravatar Pitbullexpress
    March 5, 2010 - 3:36 am | Permalink

    Adam says:
    March 5, 2010 at 12:31 AM

    Whatever crimes they commit while being so moral are therefore excusable — somebody else’s fault. They have an air-tight alibi.

    Nice work if you can get it!

    PBE:

    Point well taken, and certainly the rest of the post is well worth reading.

    spear points and snares says:
    March 5, 2010 at 1:25 AM
    “We need look no farther for the proof that they never had such a sense than our present situation…”

    The present situation, as MacDonald has well documented, is in large part due to Jewish influences.

    end quote

    You see? It can’t possibly be a lack of White unity, or absence of it.
    We’re not even united here.

    I’m a loyal reader here at TOO and its related sites and VDARE, etc.
    but I’m not blind and don’t have the social protection of tenure or have anything in the way of an economic safety net that a number of people do who contribute to these sites – and it shows.
    Because at some point while reading the many articles here and the thoughts within them, at some point you can almost literally hear the disconnect between some of their thoughts – and conclusions – and the reality many of us Whites are living in, daily.

    Whites, by and large, are simply not interested in self-preservation, because they are not interested, or are, largely, obviously not entirely, incapable of thinking racially. At least in terms of racial interests, a matter itself on which there is still considerable confusion.

    There are some reasons for this and this can change, but not after considerable suffering. Why? Because that seems to be the pattern, the rite of passage if you will, toward any genuine and lasting transformation of consciousness.

    The question is, will we survive? And by “we” I mean everyone.

    Because there is a direct relationship between the belief among Whites that post here that Whites are doomed and its the Jews fault, to the belief that Jewish power is, though evil, insuperable and almighty and is definitely going to succeed.

    It’s already failing, miserably, like a lot of powers before it its peak preceeds its demise, and things move so fast today that the two are practically coming together, ie; happening at the same time.

    My point is that constantly blaming Jews is a symptom of our failure and hardly an answer to our problems.

    Above all, it shows a lack of awareness of the bigger picture, and more embarrassingly, or perhaps, more tellingly, shows an even greater lack of self-reflection. Something we’re supposed to do better than anyone else.

  31. me's Gravatar me
    March 5, 2010 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    It happened recently in Iraq too…it’s a ‘Jewish evolutionary strategy’ to take over nations and their resource
    also covered in Dr. Darkmoon’s article about art ‘promote the worst gentiles” – promote the worst behaviors, the worst people

  32. ben tillman's Gravatar ben tillman
    March 5, 2010 - 6:31 am | Permalink

    The history of the Slavic nations in relation to Jews is important, because Jewry’s frequent whining about Slavic persecutions obscures the fact that Jewish communities in Poland, the Ukraine etc. were often allied to oppressive feudal elites.

    An the Jewish involvement invariably ratchets up the level of oppression. Benjamin Ginsberg’s Fatal Embrace talks about this.

  33. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    March 5, 2010 - 6:38 am | Permalink

    I hate The View but while browsing – Lisa Kudrow was a guest and of course she is Jewish. She is hosting a new program on cable about ancestry with ancestry.com.

    Naturally she, Barbara Walters and other Jews’ ancestors suffered horribly at the hands of Whitey and we get to hear all about it – gag. Also the black hostess of The View who was embarrassed and clearly did not wish to talk about her slave ancestors. I almost felt sorry for her.

    What strategy could we use to prevent this ancestor program from being another platform for anti White propaganda and allow jews to play the innocent victims which they are so good at.

    One strategy – admit that Whites are too dangerous for these sweet people to live around and urge them – immediately – get out of Whitey’s country before you suffer the same horrible fate! Leave. Now!

    After all we keep trying to prove we’re not racist and as Dr Phil would ask, how’s that working for you so far?

    Lets start pograms and death squads and maybe they’ll leave.

  34. me's Gravatar me
    March 5, 2010 - 6:54 am | Permalink

    the arenda system in poland was unbelievably oppressive – jews see the 18th century uprising as ‘anti semitic’ NEVER factor in their behavior..

    it also helped effectively wipe out the gentile middle class. Sadly enough even the church leased lands to jews..

    http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/web/history/judaica/arenda/link.shtml
    In practice, the arenda was a sort of no-holds-barred lease for three to five years of landholdings, mills, estates, inns, whole villages, towns or even groups of towns. Although the subject is hardly remarked upon in histories of Poland, during its hayday in the 16th through the 18th Centuries, the arenda system likely played a large role in the development of relations between the Jewish and the Polish or Ukrainian communities.

    http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolomea/arenda.htm

  35. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 7:02 am | Permalink

    Solzhenitsyn dedicated a great part of the Volume 1 to description and analysis of Russian “arenda” system.

  36. admin's Gravatar admin
    March 5, 2010 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    I would certainly like to see an English translation. Several people have said they were going to do it but haven’t. I will ask them what is going on. For anyone doing this, there would be copyright issues, as one commenter noted. My understanding is that the Solzhenitsyn family has the rights and won’t just give them away. There would also be financial issues because TOO simply doesn’t have much money. Kevin M

  37. Neoboudica's Gravatar Neoboudica
    March 5, 2010 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    Jews send out death squads to kill all the intellectual elites who are capable of saving their people or their nation. This is what they have done in Iraq using our children to do their killing. Its what they do to Palestinians and its been their historical MO.

    Jews cause us problems through their international cabal of intellectuals.

  38. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    The idea is to launch a campaign to get money from WN community and hire russian translators. IT IS ABSOLUTELY FEASIBLE. It is different from attempting to translate it by efforts of volunteers.

    About rights. There are at least dozen sites where his books are available for reading and downloading from DEDICATED sites. It is freely available from online libraries. See examples below
    http://sila-200.narod.ru/
    http://koleso.by.ru/
    It was done during his life and he was never bothered by this.

    So if another website will start posting TRANSLATION of his books, there will be no any immediate risks involved. Meanwhile the problem can be resolved by negotiations.

    Kevin,
    This question is worth of separate entry on this blog. Just look how many people volunteered to donate. I would not exaggerate if I say that more than 10% of required funds were promised! Within few hours! What if all WN-net is informed about the initiative? Initiative coming from YOU? Let me guess – in a week or two the funds will be here.

  39. Reader from Europe's Gravatar Reader from Europe
    March 5, 2010 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    A lot of good ideas in the comments. One of our problems is the lack of organization. The same amount of people can achieve a thousand times more if it has a good leadership that creates good structures and gives everyone something he can do.

    Maybe TOO could lead a bit more? What you all do here is great and we all know you need money but there are things you could do – collect ideas, have discussions which of them are most important, give people specific projects to donate for (this will increase donations), talk about your visions. What are the goals for next year, for 2015 and so on.

    There are so many good ideas. Translations, an online encyclopedia, and what about a truly global pro-White website in as much European languages as possible? Our enemies are so well connected, we are so isolated. We need more partnership to overcome misunderstandings. One example: Unfortunately, a lot of nationalists in Europe are anti-American or they follow dubious figures like ultra-pro-jewish Geert Wilders.

    Say “Our new idea is to ……. We can’t do it now but as soon as we get $…. we will ……..”. We’ll see how good it works but it must be tried. People can’t do anything if they are all on their own. No organizing – no success.

  40. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    March 5, 2010 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    RF,

    It seems to me that 3 essential elements are required for the translation of “Two Hundred Years”

    1. Approval of his sons, and of course any profits arising form the project would automatically be given to them.
    2. Quality translator. I think Solzhenitsyn had a reputation for being picky about who would translate his works, and a man who put so much care and skill into carefully crafting his Russian language works deserves a translator who will put equal care and skill into the task of rendering it into English.
    3. A highly respected historian, friendly to Solzhenitsyn, to do the footnotes. As several hostile critics have pointed out, there are factual errors in the work, such as “so-and-so was a Jew” when he in fact “so-and-so” wasn’t ethnically Jewish. Footnotes which correct factual errors, without offering opinions regarding the validity of Solzhenitsyn’s overall argument, would be of great service to the reader, and would also go far towards disarming critics. Could someone like Geoffrey Hoskings or Robert Service be persuaded to do the footnotes?

    It is not appropriate to involve any neo-nazi or holocaust denial groups in the project. Solzhenitsyn was proud of his WW2 service against Hitler.

    I am willing to pledge $2000. I am also willing to spend my weekends traveling, at my own expense, to any meetings which may be necessary for this project. My blog name sounds very abrasive to some people, but I am very moderate and persuasive in person.

    Dr. Michael Devlin, during his recent interview on Tom Sunic’s radio program, mentioned that a publisher in Delaware was working on a translation. Does anyone know the status of this?

    I don’t think the importance of this project can be underestimated. The tone of the 20 page excerpt which is available is neither offensively anti-semetic nor submissively philo-semetic – it is assertively dedicated to unbiased truth. This is what will appeal to American Christians, and this is what Abe Foxman fears above all else.

  41. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    March 5, 2010 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    I meant to say, I don’t think the importance of this project can be overestimated.

  42. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    “1. Approval of his sons, and of course any profits arising form the project would automatically be given to them.”

    I have sent several emails to investigate copyright issues.

    “2. Quality translator. I think Solzhenitsyn had a reputation for being picky about who would translate his works, and a man who put so much care and skill into carefully crafting his Russian language works deserves a translator who will put equal care and skill into the task of rendering it into English.”

    This is not a problem. Being a native Russian speaker with a large dissertation written in English I can control quality of translation. For example, as someone who read CofC both in Russian and English, I can evaluate the quality of Russian translation (it is meager but don’t tell KMD about that). Moreover, petty mistakes will be amended by you, native English speakers. (And my IQ is sufficiently high to assess the quality of transfer of the Solzhenitsyn’s spirit from Russian to English.)

    I do have a professional translator who MIGHT be willing to do the job. Give me some time to check and negotiate.

    “3. A highly respected historian, friendly to Solzhenitsyn, to do the footnotes. As several hostile critics have pointed out, there are factual errors in the work, such as “so-and-so was a Jew” when he in fact “so-and-so” wasn’t ethnically Jewish. Footnotes which correct factual errors, without offering opinions regarding the validity of Solzhenitsyn’s overall argument, would be of great service to the reader, and would also go far towards disarming critics. Could someone like Geoffrey Hoskings or Robert Service be persuaded to do the footnotes?”

    It is important, but it can wait.

    “Dr. Michael Devlin, during his recent interview on Tom Sunic’s radio program, mentioned that a publisher in Delaware was working on a translation. Does anyone know the status of this?”

    This is what i meant in my second post here. Can anybody contact Dr. Devlin to find it out? It will be utter stupidity to duplicate the work.

    I will try to contact copyright holders – they must know if anybody works on the project.

    If, however, nobody does it – and hey, it is ONLY 150,000 words – an average translator translates 3000 words per day full-time – technically translation can be finished in 2 months – then we here already have pledges sufficient to cover 30% of cost.

    BTW, please drop me a link by email rvfrolov@gmail.com to keep in touch.

  43. March 5, 2010 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    PBE,

    Adam was presenting a warped view of history in that post that needed correction.

    Also, when people here note that the impetus for Anti-White programs and cultural attitudes came primarily from Jews, it is accurate and I don’t think it constitutes evidence for a lack of self-reflection.

    Plenty of people here have also written about traits of modern day Whites that make them all too vulnerable to racial exploitation.

  44. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    OK guys. Looks like I greatly underestimated the size of the book – or I used for calculations a very atypical page. I just downloaded it and calculated precisely. The total size is 2,000,000 characters, which gives an approximate price tag of $10,000 ($10 for 2000 characters – http://www.perevod4ik.com/prices.php). (There are large footnotes – around 10% of total volume)

  45. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 5, 2010 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    For comparison – first 2/3 of KMD’s Preface to CofC is around 150,000 characters (in Russian). It took me very apr. 50 hours – but who counted those hours?

  46. Chase Holbrooke's Gravatar Chase Holbrooke
    March 5, 2010 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    me, Ben Tillman, RF: Thanks for the input regarding the arenda system, Ben Ginsberg’s “Fatal Embrace,” and Solzhenitsyn. Jewish collusion and collaboration with backward aristocratic elites in Eastern Europe is a major embarrassment. It belies the Jewish community’s self-indulgent, martyrological stories of senseless persecution at the hands of ogreish Slavs.

    BTW: It’s great that you guys are pushing the Solzhenitsyn translation. Better check with F. Roger Devlin to make sure it’s not already being done…

  47. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 6, 2010 - 12:27 am | Permalink

    I see the usual agents of disinformation have been hard at work.

    Reginald says:

    “The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from ‘white guilt’, that’s for sure.”

    Neither did Charles Martel or Adolf Hitler. Neither did any White I’m aware of in the Middle Ages.

    [...]

    “Cochran and Harpending are demonstrably right when they say that we are more different genetically from people who lived 2000 years ago than those people were different from Stone Age tribesmen.”

    Where did they make such an idiotic assertion?

    Our intellectual capabilities are much more similar to people who lived 2,000 years ago than to Stone Age Tribesmen.

    There’s more in common between James Joyce and Ovid, than between Ovid and Og

    Nope. This “idiotic assertion”, as you call it, is the implication of a paper published by the National Academy of Sciences. You can read it here:

    http://www.pnas.org/content/104/52/20753.full.pdf+html

    Here’s a press release about it.

    From: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-12/uow-gsp120507.php

    In a study published in the Dec. 10 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a team led by University of Wisconsin-Madison anthropologist John Hawks estimates that positive selection just in the past 5,000 years alone — around the period of the Stone Age — has occurred at a rate roughly 100 times higher than any other period of human evolution. Many of the new genetic adjustments are occurring around changes in the human diet brought on by the advent of agriculture, and resistance to epidemic diseases that became major killers after the growth of human civilizations.

    “In evolutionary terms, cultures that grow slowly are at a disadvantage, but the massive growth of human populations has led to far more genetic mutations,” says Hawks. “And every mutation that is advantageous to people has a chance of being selected and driven toward fixation. What we are catching is an exceptional time.”

    The findings may lead to a very broad rethinking of human evolution, Hawks says, especially in the view that modern culture has essentially relaxed the need for physical genetic changes in humans to improve survival. Adds Hawks: “We are more different genetically from people living 5,000 years ago than they were different from Neanderthals.”

    [...]

    Population growth is making all of this change occur much faster, Hawks says, giving a nod to Charles Darwin. When Darwin wrote in “Origin of the Species” about challenges in animal breeding, he always emphasized that herd size “is of the highest importance for success” because large populations have more genetic variation, Hawks says.

    The parallel to humans is obvious: The human population has grown from a few million people 10,000 years ago to about 200 million people at 0 AD, to 600 million people in the year 1700, to more than 6.5 billion today. Prior to these times, the population was so small for so long that positive selection occurred at a glacial pace, Hawks says.

    The argument advanced is that a geometric increase in the number of humans must lead not only to a geometric increase in the number of mutations, but also a proportionate increase in their rate of dissemination.

    Cochran and Harpending restate this in their book The 10,000 Year Explosion:

    “We intend to make the case that human evolution has accelerated in the past 10,000 years, rather than slowing or stopping, and is now happening about 100 times faster than its long-term average over the 6 million years of our existence. The pace has been so rapid that humans have changed significantly in body and mind over recorded history. Sargon and Imhotep were different from you genetically as well as culturally.”

    To me this seems quite convincing. It leads to the very supportable conclusion that the Romans were vastly different from us in terms of personality traits. For example, in a typical day in a Roman city, perhaps 50 pairs of gladiators might publicly fight each other to the death. Killing people just to watch them die — that’s what Romans did for fun. Contrast that with the typical eunuchoid white couch potato of today, who entertains himself by watching negroes like Tiger Woods defile his women. In my opinion, the “white guilt” phenomenon may well reflect genetic changes to the white race of relatively recent advent. That would explain why it did not afflict the Romans, even though there were many times more Jews in the Roman world than in our own.

    “I would suggest that if whites ever had such a ‘normal’ sense of group identification and self preservation they never would have voluntarily ceded power to the Jews.”

    If Whites never had a normal sense of group identification and self-preservation, they would not currently exist.

    More nonsense. Of all the races that have ever existed, most are now gone, miscegenated away. Yet they existed for a while too, in a biological sense. Just because a race exists doesn’t mean that it will preserve itself when it encounters other races, or even that it necessarily possesses the mental wherewithal to do so. Whites were relatively isolated in Europe for vast stretches of time. The obsessive concern for their race that typifies the Jews and helps them preserve themselves as a race may well be a genetic innovation that whites lack entirely.

    It’s not like we lived in a land of kittens and snowglobes all those years, and then only in the last few Centuries were exposed to competition.

    Islam put everything it had into taking over Europe, and failed thanks to Whites showing Group Cohesion and a proper degree of concern for maintaining racial and cultural purity.

    You’re reading too much into the fact that Charles Martel fought a battle at Tours with some Muslims who wanted to raid his kingdom. Can you produce even one single utterance of his that shows he had a racial motive? I don’t think you can. It is by far a simpler hypothesis to suppose he was just doing what any monarch or emperor of that era would have done. He was protecting his own personal interests. Plainly, he couldn’t have been considering the interests of the white race as we understand it today, since Linnaeus and Darwin were not to come until more than a thousand years later. In this case, Martel’s opponents just happened to be from a multi-racial empire. Some of them were white, others weren’t. In his numerous other battles, Martel fought and killed other whites. This showed how weak his racial feelings really were.

    You need to realize that people often have a multiplicity of motives for what they do, and that white people in particular don’t ask themselves, before embarking on some course of action, “Is this good for the white race?” Hitler is another good example of this. Had he asked himself that question, perhaps WWII could have been avoided. It’s simply a fact that most of the people killed in that War were white. That’s an odd thing for someone who claims to love the white race to have instigated, unless he had other concerns that were much stronger. Having read a good amount about that era, I feel confident in stating that his motives stemmed at least as much from his German nationalism as any effort to advance the entire white race. As for the Allies, their tremendously stupid action in waging war against Hitler shows the typical white lack of racial cohesion on their side as well.

    Lothrop Stoddard lived through the WWII era, and it was his opinion that the Nazis had no valid racial motive, and acted solely from nationalism. Wiki says this:

    During World War II he spent 4 months as a journalist for the North American Newspaper Alliance in Nazi Germany. He wrote Into the Darkness (1940) about his experiences there. [1] He got preferential treatment by Nazi officials compared to other journalists. For example the Propaganda Ministry insisted that NBC’s Max Jordan and CBS’s William Shirer use Stoddard to interview the captain of the Bremen.[1][2]

    Stoddard was relatively nonpartisan in his coverage of the Nazi regime, but he did express concern for the welfare of the European Jewish community, foreseeing intense violence against the Jews. He was always wary of and often opposed to the Nazis, despite their common support for eugenics. In The Rising Tide of Color Stoddard blasted the ethnic supremacism of the Germans, blaming the “Teutonic imperialists” for the outbreak of the First World War, and the Nazis, of course, simply carried this ethnic supremacism to more extreme ends. He opposed what he saw as the disuniting of White/European peoples through intense nationalism and infighting.

  48. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 6, 2010 - 12:46 am | Permalink

    spear points and snares says:

    “…considered perhaps alongside the pesky fact that they fought both a Civil War and two World Wars against the cause of their own racial world supremacy.”

    Or, the “pesky fact” that none of these three wars had anything to do with whites acting against the cause of their own “racial world supremacy”

    The practical result of whites of the North killing whites of the South in an effort to establish racial egalitarianism was, in all but name, a war against their own world racial supremacy. There was certainly no other race that could have laid claim to it at the time. And what is to be said to someone who has the effrontery to assert that that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery? Such a person is probably ineducable, but nevertheless let us try.

    First, anyone who has studied the era knows how central the issue of slavery was in the politics of the day. Then, we have the fact that it was Abolitionist John Brown’s attack at Harper’s Ferry that was a crucial incident in the run up to war. Further, Lincoln himself said slavery was the cause of the war.

    “See our present condition — the country engaged in war! — our White men cutting one another’s throats … and then consider what we know to be truth. But for your race among us there could not be war …”
    –from Abraham Lincoln’s Address on August 14, 1862 (Collected Works, Vol. V, p. 371)

    Next, as I have before said, in popular camp songs such as “Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “John Brown’s Body” the Union soldiers themselves sang of their reason for going to war, and they proclaimed that reason was to free the slaves.

    Finally, as everyone knows, the event of the war was that white supremacy in the South was overturned, the slaves were freed, given the vote, and at bayonet point were set up in government over the defeated whites of the South.

    Thus yet another astonishing demonstration of white lack of racial cohesion was concluded.

    The two World Wars were a result of European nation states, thinking short-term, valuing (perceived) national interests over long-term civilizational stability. They should have listened to Lindbergh and Stoddard. But, Hitler and Churchill and Mussolini (or even Roosevelt and Stalin for that matter) did not war to destroy “white racial supremacy.”

    The fact that whites invariably have allowed other interests, be they national, religious, economic, or ethnic, to overpower their imaginary “racial cohesion” should be the best proof of all of the non-existence of the latter. Stoddard himself seemed to feel that the motive of the Nazis was nationalistic, not racial, so if you value his opinion maybe it is you who should listen to him. And as a matter of fact, the Allies did make their effort to destroy “the master race” a big part of their ostensible reason for conducting WWII. Likewise, Woodrow Wilson aimed in WWI to make the world “safe for democracy” and form a League of Nations, in which all the races and nations of the world would sit as equals. This kind of racial egalitarianism was his reason for helping to destroy the German people. The practical effect of both of these Wars, in which whites displayed to the utmost their typical lack of racial cohesion, was to destroy world white racial supremacy.

  49. mark's Gravatar mark
    March 6, 2010 - 1:26 am | Permalink

    Adam said:
    March 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM

    “Lothrop Stoddard lived through the WWII era, and it was his opinion that the Nazis had no valid racial motive,”

    Lothrop Stoddard doesn’t have the last word on what Hitler was thinking. He was a German nationalist for sure, but he also had broader racial motives. Whites from all over Europe volunteered to serve in the German military. Everybody today sure seems to think that the German National Socialists had a racial motive!

    Hitler didn’t start the war with the U.S. either. He may have been the first to declare war, but the U.S. was antagonizing Germany and shipping war materials to Europe.

    Just because White American soldiers fought against the National Socialist Germans, doesn’t mean they weren’t racial conscious. It doesn’t mean that they were fighting for a multiracial society as it exists now in America. It doesn’t mean that they wanted Negroes and other non-whites to be allowed to integrate fully into White society. What it means is that they were programmed by a tiny number of people just like the soldiers during the Vietnam War were and just like White America is today. If the White soldiers who fought against the Germans during WWII could have looked into the future at America today, and understood that it turned out the way that it has because of their actions at that time (fighting against Germany), I don’t think many of them would have set one foot on Omaha Beach. They would never have fought against Germany.

    Just as there were Germans who for some tactical or minor ideological reason may have opposed Adolf Hitler, including some German military officers, doesn’t mean that they wanted and were fighting for a multiracial Germany that would permit non-whites to interbreed with German women, and they certainly wouldn’t have fought for the total destruction of the biological basis for European civilization—which is what is happening now.

    The Jews displayed a mind-boggling lack of racial cohesion when they were in lockup in Germany during WWII when they cooperated with their German guards and betrayed other Jews (that became an issue at the Nuremberg Trials). The Jews even betrayed non-Jewish Poles who hid them from the Germans.
 Read about it here: http://www.catholicleague.org/research/holocaust_documentation.htm

    Concerning the alleged biological basis for Jewish racism, there are some who think that there is no biological difference between the Jews and the Arabs. So much for being “God’s chosen people”. 
Read about it here: 
http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

    Racial integration has a very negative effect on White society and that wouldn’t be the case unless there were a very deep-seated racial consciousness on the part of Whites. Read what liberal Harvard professor, Robert Putnam, observes about how Whites feel about racial diversity:
    
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity

    The fact is that the Jews feel that the racial cohesiveness of Whites is very strong and that the revolutionary potential of Whites is also very strong and getting stronger by the day. If that weren’t true the Southern Poverty Law Center ($PLC), the ADL, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and all of the other anti-White forces out there wouldn’t be spending as much time and effort as they are to stop Whites from organizing. If the U.S. Government felt comfortable with the idea that Whites had little or no racial cohesiveness they would relax or abolish all anti-discrimination laws.

    The Marxist students at California State University at Long Beach sure feel that there is a very strong potential for White racial cohesiveness, otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to get Dr. MacDonald fired!

    Negroes are a horrible, horrible burden to White society and just because a few traitorous White legislators voted for anti-discrimination laws doesn’t mean that the White population, generally, isn’t racially conscious. Lift those anti-discrimination laws and White society here in America, and globally, will very quickly become racially segregated and stratified.

    And you, Adam, as a Jew, wouldn’t spend as much time as you do posting on this website trying to convince Whites that they aren’t cohesive as a race if you truly believed there were no implicit racial consciousness and no revolutionary potential in the White population.

    Why would anybody spend as much time and energy as you do trying to convince Whites that they are not cohesive as a race?

  50. March 6, 2010 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    Adam,

    As I suspected, Cochran and Harpending did not say what you claim they said.

    They said:

    “Sargon and Imhotep were different from you genetically as well as culturally.”

    It does not follow from that statement that Sargon is further away from me than Sargon was from a Stone Age tribesman.

    How could you possibly get that out of it?

    Talk about jumping to conclusions!

    And from Hawks:

    “We are more different genetically from people living 5,000 years ago than they were different from Neanderthals.”

    5,000 years ago is different than 2,000 years ago, retard.

    “More nonsense. Of all the races that have ever existed, most are now gone, miscegenated away. Yet they existed for a while too, in a biological sense.”

    Whites have existed longer than the vast majority, if not all, of Homo Saipan races that have gone extinct.

    The Hottentots may have existed longer before going extinct, but it is extremely doubtful that they could lay claim to being Homo Sapiens by any meaningful definition.

    “It is by far a simpler hypothesis to suppose he was just doing what any monarch or emperor of that era would have done. He was protecting his own personal interests.”

    Charles Martel was a White Man who fought with other White Men to defend the lands of White Men against a powerful and overwhelmingly Non-White foe.

    Maybe for some reason he didn’t know what he was doing, but nonetheless he did it.

    Also, how exactly do you explain Andy Jackson?

    Was it just a rare stroke of luck for the White Race that he Genocided the Non-White natives while leaving Whites entirely alone?

    What lucky fellows we were that Andy happened to swoop in and force Injuns to walk down the Trail of Tears.

    Since he must not have seen race, according to Adam the Arrogant, he could have just as easily have forces White people to walk the trail instead!

    “You need to realize that people often have a multiplicity of motives for what they do, and that white people in particular don’t ask themselves, before embarking on some course of action, ‘Is this good for the white race?’ Hitler is another good example of this. Had he asked himself that question, perhaps WWII could have been avoided.”

    How would letting Stalin build up his military to a point where he’d have claimed all of Europe for his Anti-White Communist Ideology have helped Whites?

    You are failing to look at the context in which Hitler made his decisions.

    Also, you are moving the goalposts. The point of me bringing up Hitler wasn’t necessarily to give an example of someone who made all their choices based on Pro-White racial concerns, but rather to show what a stupid liar you were to claim that Whites in all times and places since Classical Times have suffered from White Guilt.

    Do you deny that Hitler was completely devoid of White Guilt?

    Do you deny that the German people were so completely devoid of White Guilt that they supported Hitler becoming their leader, with even Hitler’s White opponents NEVER giving Hitler’s lack of White Guilt as a reason for their opposition?

  51. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 6, 2010 - 1:28 am | Permalink

    Any work by a famous writer like Solzhenitsyn will be translated. There’s no need for any specifically “WN” initiatives. I’ve read the book in Russian. I was not impressed.

  52. me's Gravatar me
    March 6, 2010 - 6:14 am | Permalink

    Any work by a famous writer like Solzhenitsyn will be translated.
    you’re missing the point – this book specifically has NOT been, years after publication – because of its content – the jewish role in the bolshivik revolution – last thing the jewish elite wants is a nobel prize winning author confirming an accusation they consider ‘anti semitic’

  53. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    March 6, 2010 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    Geiseric,

    In his Feb. 16 interview on Voice of Reason Radio, Dr. F. Roger Devlin said he had it on good authority that Yale University Press planned a translation as early as 2001, but “persons described to me as Jewish heavyweights” pressured Yale University Press into cancelling these plans.

    Thus, Solzhenitsyn faces defacto censorship in 21st century USA while being freely available in Russia – a complete reversal of of the situation which existed in the 20th century.

    I don’t want to take your word for it that the book is “not impressive”. I want to make up my own mind, after reading the work in its entirety in a quality English language translation.

    Judging from the 20 page excerpt available in “The Solzhenitsyn Reader” and Dr. Devlin’s 50 page summary in “The Occidental Quarterly”, I think you underestimate the quality of this work. I think it provides a new template for discourse on the relationship between diaspora Jews and their host communities, a template which on the one hand avoids the implicit philio-semitism of those who refuse to confront the issue of Jewsih over-representation in malignant elite groups, yet on the other hand avoids what I consider to be the pitfalls of racial, religious and conspiracy theory anti-semitism.

    Of course, I can’t know for sure. “Jewish heavyweights” have decided that I shouldn’t be allowed to.

  54. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 6, 2010 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    I will translate a short Ch. 20 “In the camps of GULAG” into English. It begins as

    “If I haven’t been there, it would not be possible for me to compose this chapter.
    Before the camps I thought that “one should not notice nationalities”, there are no nationalities, there is humankind.
    But when you are sent into a camp, you find it out: if you are of a lucky nationality – you are a fortunate man, you are looked after, you have survived! But if you are of a common nationality – then, please, no offence…
    Because nationality perhaps is the most important feature for prisoners [to have a chance] to be selected into life-saving corps of “idiots”. Every camp inmate who have seen enough of camps would confirm that ethnic proportions among idiots were very different from ethnic proportions within general inmate population. Indeed, there were no…”

    Give me a week – translation of high prose into English is a new thing to me. I will send it to WhitesUnite.
    BTW, WhitesUnite, what is your website?

  55. Chase Holbrooke's Gravatar Chase Holbrooke
    March 6, 2010 - 11:09 am | Permalink

    [I don’t want to take your word for it that the book is “not impressive”. I want to make up my own mind, after reading the work in its entirety in a quality English language translation.]

    Absolutely right, Whites Unite. The book is an embarrassment to the carefully constructed and platitudinous narrative of Jewish history that gets a free pass in the West. It refutes the official mythology of Jewish moral infallibility and universal benevolence. For that reason alone, it should be published. (And for that reason alone, Jewish heavyweights don’t want it published by a major house.)

  56. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 6, 2010 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Even though the Yale University Press is a heavyweight, they cannot prevent the book from being published. This is just not the way censorship works in the West. Perhaps I underestimate the quality of this work, as you put it, but I doubt it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

    http://www.amazon.com/Aleksandr-Solzhenitsyn-Russo-Jewish-Question-Post-Soviet/dp/3898214834#reader_3898214834

  57. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 6, 2010 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Geiseric,
    It is a good link. We can find numerous translated excerpts out there.

    My impression about “200 years together” is that it is a lot of factual material plus as neutral as possible narration. The devil is in little details, like that KMD’s citation in the post above – and there are tons of such little things, little equivalents of “fuses inserted into rectums” of our dear friends (russian military adage).

  58. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 6, 2010 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone here know whether Solzhenitsyn himself was of (partly) Jewish descent?

  59. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 6, 2010 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Shortly after his death, Harvard professor Richard Pipes wrote:

    “Solzhenitsyn blamed the evils of Soviet communism on the West. He rightly stressed the European origins of Marxism, but he never asked himself why Marxism in other European countries led not to the gulag but to the welfare state. He reacted with white fury to any suggestion that the roots of Leninism and Stalinism could be found in Russia’s past. His knowledge of Russian history was very superficial and laced with a romantic sentimentalism. While accusing the West of imperialism, he seemed quite unaware of the extraordinary expansion of his own country into regions inhabited by non-Russians. He also denied that Imperial Russia practiced censorship or condemned political prisoners to hard labor, which, of course, was absurd.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

    If Solzhenitsyn was anti-something, it was anti-Western. Even though we saved his ass in the 1970s.

  60. Seadragonconquerer's Gravatar Seadragonconquerer
    March 6, 2010 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Certainly Solzhenitsyn wore blinders about Russian imperialism, and much else. But about the Jews, on target: ONE of the reasons Russia went Red is the numerical scale and unique intensity of the pre-WW I Jew problem there, and the resultant determination of the heavily-Jewish bolsheviks to overthrow the state.

  61. Seadragonconquerer's Gravatar Seadragonconquerer
    March 6, 2010 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    And by the way, Geiseric, the Richard Pipes you quote is a neo-con Jew. His attitude toward Solzhenitsyn is, therefore, entirely predictable.

  62. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 6, 2010 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Reginald says:

    Adam,

    As I suspected, Cochran and Harpending did not say what you claim they said.

    They said:

    “Sargon and Imhotep were different from you genetically as well as culturally.”

    It does not follow from that statement that Sargon is further away from me than Sargon was from a Stone Age tribesman.

    How could you possibly get that out of it?

    I already explained the mathematics of it to you. As I said above

    “The argument advanced is that a geometric increase in the number of humans must lead not only to a geometric increase in the number of mutations, but also a proportionate increase in their rate of dissemination.”

    Talk about jumping to conclusions!

    And from Hawks:

    “We are more different genetically from people living 5,000 years ago than they were different from Neanderthals.”

    5,000 years ago is different than 2,000 years ago, retard.

    Childish insults won’t get you off the hook on this one. To make it easy for you and show what a nice guy I am, I even included the population figures in the press release:

    The parallel to humans is obvious: The human population has grown from a few million people 10,000 years ago to about 200 million people at 0 AD, to 600 million people in the year 1700, to more than 6.5 billion today. Prior to these times, the population was so small for so long that positive selection occurred at a glacial pace, Hawks says.

    Now I’ll make it even easier by working out the algorithm for you. Since we have about a 30-fold increase from Julius Caesar’s time (~50 BC) to the present, from 200 million to 6.5 billion, then it follows according to their argument that a proportionate level of genetic difference occurred in the transition from when the population was one thirtieth of the 200 million to Caesar’s time. 6.6 million was about the world’s population in the Stone Age. Precise figures are, of course, not obtainable, but in general that is the argument. Obviously, exactly when the line is crossed from “as different” to “more different” is a judgement call, but a reasonable interpretation of all this is that Caesar was, indeed, genetically closer to Stone Age tribesmen than to ourselves.

    In any case, Harpending appears to understand the significance of this, even if you don’t. He says:

    “We aren’t the same as people even 1,000 or 2,000 years ago,” he says, which may explain, for example, part of the difference between Viking invaders and their peaceful Swedish descendants. “The dogma has been these are cultural fluctuations, but almost any Temperament trait you look at is under strong genetic influence.”

    “More nonsense. Of all the races that have ever existed, most are now gone, miscegenated away. Yet they existed for a while too, in a biological sense.”

    Whites have existed longer than the vast majority, if not all, of Homo Saipan races that have gone extinct.

    The Hottentots may have existed longer before going extinct, but it is extremely doubtful that they could lay claim to being Homo Sapiens by any meaningful definition.

    First, I realize you don’t care much about accuracy, but it happens that the Hottentots are not extinct.

    More to the point, mere existence of H. sapiens or various groups of them or how long they’ve been around doesn’t prove anything about their mental traits. Some may possess the innovation of a biologically-based racial cohesion, and others not. Clearly, if there is such an innovation it must have arisen in human groups at some point, and it seems perfectly reasonable to suppose that when it arose, it didn’t arise simultaneously in all human groups. Like every other characteristic, it would have spread differentially, maybe not arriving at all in various geographical locations. Whether racial cohesion is a characteristic that will provide an advantage within the global technological system is a question that is still being resolved. If we suppose, just to simplify the argument, that the Jews are the only ones in the world who have this characteristic at the current time, it’s entirely possible that, as some here hope, the Jews will ultimately cause their own undoing because of it. That’s one scenario, and in that case the characteristic will have proven to be of no survival value and will go extinct.

    Also, how exactly do you explain Andy Jackson?

    He could have been nation building, same as he was doing when he battled the British. That is the simpler hypothesis.

    Since he must not have seen race, according to Adam the Arrogant, he could have just as easily have forces White people to walk the trail instead!

    I don’t know how you’ve come to this crazy conclusion. This isn’t implied, any more than it’s implied that he would have been unable to distinguish between his own troops and the British.

    Also, you are moving the goalposts. The point of me bringing up Hitler wasn’t necessarily to give an example of someone who made all their choices based on Pro-White racial concerns, but rather to show what a stupid liar you were to claim that Whites in all times and places since Classical Times have suffered from White Guilt.

    You are only making it plain that you are the stupid liar here, or perhaps, as I would prefer to think, just grievously confused, since to most everyone’s chagrin, it is I who have been arguing all along that there is no such thing as white guilt. That is KM’s interpretation. I have been pointing out that there is and always has been an amazing lack of white racial cohesion, but I no where say it is due to guilt, either now or in classical times. I even stated: “The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from “white guilt”, that’s for sure.” Was there some way to make it more clear?

    Do you deny that the German people were so completely devoid of White Guilt that they supported Hitler becoming their leader, with even Hitler’s White opponents NEVER giving Hitler’s lack of White Guilt as a reason for their opposition?

    Himmler’s remarks at Posen, which I quoted in a thread below, show that the German people as a whole were not entirely on board with removing the Jews. This shows a lack of racial cohesion, but whether it was due to white guilt or not I will leave it to others who are supporters of that hypothesis to say. Obviously, if the “white guilt” phenomenon is something that reflects recent genetic changes in whites, not everyone will have an equal amount of it. Some may not have it at all.

  63. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    March 6, 2010 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    FYI: The idiot neocon is Daniel Pipes. Richard Pipes is his father, an historian specializing in Soviet Russia.

    Richard Pipes is notorious for blaming the evils of Communism entirely on the Russians, depite the well-documented role of the Jews in instigating and presiding over the Russian Revolution. He retired from Harvard quite a while ago, but before leaving, nepotistically got his son Daniel enrolled there.

    Daniel began by studying mathematics, but had difficulty and switched to his father’s field, history. He is the founder of an organization called Campus Watch, the mission of which is to harass academics deemed guilty of “poor scholarship” regarding Israel. This group is probably aligned with certain groups that periodically harass Kevin MacDonald.

  64. March 6, 2010 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    “First, I realize you don’t care much about accuracy, but it happens that the Hottentots are not extinct.”

    Wrong on both counts.

    I do care about accuracy, and according to your own perspective that a race can go extinct by the mechanism of miscegenation, the Hottentots ARE extinct.

    ******************************************************

    “The Hottentots lived in Southern Africa near the Cape of Good Hope. Pure Hottentots no longer exist, some dying of smallpox and the remainder interbreeding with other Africans. There were some around in the 1800s, however, so unlike other extinct populations, we have descriptions and drawings of them and not just bones. The females were more unusual than the males; Figure 26-5 shows the most famous female, the “Hottentot Venus.” 22 The women, like the Andaman Island women (Fig. 26-4), are characterized by their enormous buttocks. The women also had large external genital flaps 23 and large areola with inverted nipples. The face is flat, similar to an Asian’s, with only the teeth protruding and the incisors meeting at an angle, as in an African. (Coon, 1962, p. 646). The brain is smaller and simpler.”

    -Erectus Walks Among Us

    *******************************************************

    “More to the point, mere existence of H. sapiens or various groups of them or how long they’ve been around doesn’t prove anything about their mental traits. Some may possess the innovation of a biologically-based racial cohesion, and others not.”

    Innovation? The Negro population of Africa is extremely primitive, and closer to Chimpanzees than we are, and yet they some of the strongest levels of racial cohesion on Earth.

    Even African Tribes that hate each other will support each other if there’s ever a fight with a Non-Black.

    In fact I would argue that Black Africans have far more Racial Cohesion than Jews.

    How many successful Genocides against Non-Blacks have the Blacks pulled off?

    Far more than you’d expect given their primitive military technology.

    There’s the Genocides going on right now of Whites in Zimbabwe and South Africa, and then there was the Genocide of Subcontinental Indians from Uganda that occurred just a few decades ago.

    Practically every chance Black Africans have had to Genocide non-Blacks, they’ve taken it.

    In contrast, the relatively weakly Ethnocentric Jews have had every chance to Genocide the Palestinians out of Israel proper, and have completely failed to do so.

    So clearly Racial Cohesion is an extremely old innovation, given that the most primitive Human Group has it to a greater extent that even the group you consider the gold standard of Racial Cohesion, and therefore it must go back to groups that were more Monkey than Man.

    It is possible that some aspects of the European climate undermined the Ethnocentrism Whites inherited from our primitive ancestors by selecting for individualism. However, for however long this happened, the process of Genetic selection for reduced Ethnocentrism in Whites has clearly been reversed:

    http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/01/white-ethnocentrism-and-white-fertility.html

    http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=584

    Also, there is no non-propagandistic reason to think the genetic potential for Ethnocentrism was attenuated to an extreme or irreversible degree.

    You just like to pretend so to make White Nationalists think that they are in a hopeless situation, and that all efforts to racially awaken their fellow Whites are inherently fruitless.

    That really is the only reason you’re posting here, and if you were satisfied that the most racially aware and therefore dangerous Goys were sufficiently demoralized, you’d go on to doing something else with your time.

    “Now I’ll make it even easier by working out the algorithm for you. Since we have about a 30-fold increase from Julius Caesar’s time (~50 BC) to the present, from 200 million to 6.5 billion, then it follows according to their argument that a proportionate level of genetic difference occurred in the transition from when the population was one thirtieth of the 200 million to Caesar’s time. 6.6 million was about the world’s population in the Stone Age. Precise figures are, of course, not obtainable, but in general that is the argument. Obviously, exactly when the line is crossed from ‘as different’ to ‘ore different’ is a judgement call, but a reasonable interpretation of all this is that Caesar was, indeed, genetically closer to Stone Age tribesmen than to ourselves.”

    If you accept the completely unverified assertion that population size is the primary determinant of how fast evolution works.

    According to this inherently absurd idea, it must follow that there’s been far more evolution in the last 125 years, than there was for the 3,000 years from 3,000 BC to 1 CE!

    Is that what you claim, O insane one?

    “We aren’t the same as people even 1,000 or 2,000 years ago,” he says, which may explain, for example, part of the difference between Viking invaders and their peaceful Swedish descendants. “The dogma has been these are cultural fluctuations, but almost any Temperament trait you look at is under strong genetic influence.”

    As I suspected, you have continued in your failure to produce a single quote by Harpending where he states there was more evolution in the last 2,000 years than from the Stone Age to 2,000 years ago.

    The quote you give says nothing that provides a basis for your claim.

    Also it is not clear if Harpending is just talking about Swedes or not.

    If he’s talking about Nordics in general, we have to ask modern day Nordics in Germany almost conquered the World, if they suffered from the impediment of pacific genetics.

    “He could have been nation building, same as he was doing when he battled the British. That is the simpler hypothesis.”

    What was the purpose of the nation he was building? Why was it essential for that purpose that Native American Human Beings be cast out?

    I’ll tell you why: Because Andrew Jackson favored a policy whereby members of Andrew Jackson’s race stole land from Native Americans, and this provoked the Natives to so much violence that their existence could not be tolerated.

    Why, according to you, did Jackson favor such an utterly discriminatory racial policy?

    If he was just nation building, he could’ve incorporated the Natives into his nation at far less expense and with much less trouble.

    Many Nation Builders in History have done this, such as the Mongols in China who allowed the Chinese natives to stay, merely ruling over them.

    And from the standpoint of the goal of nation building, there was no downside to this.

    “I don’t know how you’ve come to this crazy conclusion. This isn’t implied, any more than it’s implied that he would have been unable to distinguish between his own troops and the British.”

    So Andrew Jackson saw the race of the Indians, and he acted on that perception by genociding them and giving their land exclusively to White People.

    To distinguish between your own race and another to such an extremity, requires an intense degree of Ethnocentrism.

    But I suppose you’ll tell me it was just nation building, in the same way that you’d tell me that when Israelis build settlements in the West Bank it’s just nation building, and in no way the product of an evolved instinct for racial competition.

    At least have the virtue of consistency, my friend, even if you have no other!

    “You are only making it plain that you are the stupid liar here, or perhaps, as I would prefer to think, just grievously confused, since to most everyone’s chagrin, it is I who have been arguing all along that there is no such thing as white guilt.”

    Then why did you say this?

    ************************************************
    “Certainly that much seems to be true. Whites are in decline, and have been for decades now, perhaps even milleniums. The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from “white guilt”, that’s for sure. Cochran and Harpending are demonstrably right when they say that we are more different genetically from people who lived 2000 years ago than those people were different from Stone Age tribesmen.”
    ***************************************

    The only possible meaning of this is that you think Whites suffer from something called “White Guilt”.

    Now I understand you put the term in quotation marks to show you don’t think it’s really guilt, but rather a kind of simulation of guilt, but so what?

    My point about Hitler lacking White Guilt is unaffected by the question of whether we should put the phrase White Guilt in quotation marks or not.

    “That is KM’s interpretation. I have been pointing out that there is and always has been an amazing lack of white racial cohesion, but I no where say it is due to guilt, either now or in classical times. I even stated: “The Romans certainly didn’t suffer from ‘white guilt‘, that’s for sure.” Was there some way to make it more clear?”

    For your statement that the Romans didn’t suffer from “White Guilt” to have any meaning in the context you wrote it, you must have meant to use that fact to imply that what you call the rapid evolution of the last 2,000 years led to the creation of something, “White Guilt”, that did not exist 2,000 years ago.

    Otherwise your statement is weirdly devoid of meaning.

    “Himmler’s remarks at Posen, which I quoted in a thread below, show that the German people as a whole were not entirely on board with removing the Jews. This shows a lack of racial cohesion…”

    Compared to what?

    I want to tell you a secret.

    After 60 years of being ruled by what you call a race you call “Far More Ethnocentric That Whites”, Israel still has MILLIONS of Palestinians living in it!

    What an utter and disgusting lack of Racial Cohesion the Jews have shown, according to your standards.

    “Obviously, if the ‘white guilt’ phenomenon is something that reflects recent genetic changes in whites, not everyone will have an equal amount of it. Some may not have it at all.”

    If as you said the evolution of reduced White Ethnocentrism has been going on for 2,000 years, it is flabbergasting that as late as the 1930’s there were still enough Ethnocentric Genes left to produce an entire nationality willing to give the reigns of power to an explicit Racialist.

    Hell, it’s hard to believe that as late as 1889 there were enough Ethnocentric Genes left to produce even single explicit Racialist and Eugenicist, much less one who was smart enough to take over an entire Country.

    If evolution has been acting against Ethnocentrism for 2,000 years, by 1,889 years into this process Ethnocentric Genes would have only existed in Men and Women who had other traits that made them less sexually desirable, as only the sexual losers in History would’ve been mating with the Darwinian losers who carried the maladaptive mutation for Ethnocentrism.

    And yet what we see in even very recent History is that as late as the 1930’s, it was exactly the Upper Class WINNERS of Society who were most likely to be so Ethnocentric that they cared enough about the future of their race to be Eugenicists.

  65. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 7, 2010 - 3:52 am | Permalink

    I realize that Pipes is not the optimal source here, but the quote about Solzhenitsyn seemed relevant to me. I agree with Kevin MacDonald that Jews played a key role in the revolution and in the Soviet genocide(s), but Russians are not solely victims of their own history. The Russians share a talent for victimology usually associated with the Jews. Perhaps it has something to do with their cultural-historical, pseudo-religious (NB! not ethno-centric) status as a Chosen People.

  66. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    March 7, 2010 - 7:31 am | Permalink

    RL,

    Thank you, that one paragraph by itself was interesting. I do not have a website, but I’ll stay in touch via email.

    Geiseric,

    Don’t twist my words to confuse people. I didn’t say that Yale University Press was a heavyweight. I said that individuals described as “Jewish heavyweights” pressured Yale University Press to cancel plans to publish 200 Years in English. The “Jewish heavyweights” thereby sent a message to all other potential publishers: if you publish 200 Years, you are an anti-semite. That is how “Jewish heavyweights” acheive effective censorship in 21st century USA.

    Like you, Richard Pipes is an expert at creating confusion. Solzhenitsyn was not anti-western, he was anti-leftwing. Prominent leftwing westerners have given moral support to Leninism since the days of John Reed. As a Russian patriot, Solzhenitsyn had every right to be angered by the prominent leftwing western intellectuals who applauded Leninism from their comfortable easy chairs while Solzhenitsyn and millions of his fellow East-Slavs were sent to freeze and starve in the Gulags.

    There is a plausible answer to Pipe’s question “Why did socialism manifest itself so benevolently in Scandinavia, yet so malignantly in the Soviet Union (not to mention Poland and Hungary)?” In Scandinavia, Scandinavians were the administrators of socialism. Accordingly, they took great care to ensure a benevolent system for their ethnic kin. In the early Soviet Union, Poland and Hungary, Jews extremely over-represented among the administrators of socialism. Accordingly, they took great care to create a “Jewsih Revenge Reality”, much like Jewish Hollywood creates “Jewish Revenge Fantasies”. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn can convince me that this anti-Semitic answer is incorrect. You and Richard Pipes certainly can’t.

  67. Stnemmoc's Gravatar Stnemmoc
    March 7, 2010 - 10:34 am | Permalink

    Geiseric, Pipes made his comment about Solzhenitsyn as an act of subterfuge, as cover for the tribe. Pipes was being disingenuous which is par for the course when it comes to jews and many topics. It’s that simple.

    As far as Adam using the term “mathematics” in any post, whether literally or as metaphor, he’s already demonstrated a less than average understanding of numbers, statistics and the like throughout the deluge of his/their posts, never mind the incalculable blind-spots that the majority of jews possess when it comes to realistically assessing their own abilities and prowess in many areas. The many posters who have stated that Adam and crew post here because of worry and fear of organized whites, whether conscious or unconscious, are correct. This is why they make fun, state whites have never organized, cannot organized. Because they know the reality is otherwise.

  68. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    March 8, 2010 - 3:42 am | Permalink

    As I’ve already mentioned, I agree with MacDonald’s version of Jewish influence in the Bolshevik revolution and in the pre-Stalinist Soviet Union. What happened after 1950 seems to be another story. Russians have had a tendency to play the victimological blame game. The West has often been seen as “evil” in the larger scheme of things. This tendency has been intensifying ever since the 18th century. And there’s not much doubt that Solzhenitsyn fits into this larger, anti-Western pattern.

    But again: of course, you should read his book (available in German and French).

  69. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    March 8, 2010 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Whoa! Are you MacDonald, actually suggesting that the Shamir passage is from 200 years together?

    It certainly is not. And if Shamir was anything approaching a scholar, rather than a converted shmata, then he’d have a caveat that the quote comes from a text which has never been acknowledged or accepted as being Solzhenitsyn’s in even one academic publication.

  70. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    March 9, 2010 - 10:17 am | Permalink

    Angry Jew,

    Please try to be civil when you visit this blog. We don’t use filthy words like “shmata” or “shiksa”.

    If “Jewish heavyweights” hadn’t prevented the publication of 200 Years in English, MacDonald wouldn’t have to rely on Shamir to learn its contents.

  71. Fred Scrooby's Gravatar Fred Scrooby
    March 13, 2010 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    ”Are you MacDonald, actually suggesting that the Shamir passage is from 200 Years Together? It certainly is not. And if Shamir was anything approaching a scholar […] he’d have a caveat that the quote comes from a text which has never been acknowledged or accepted as being Solzhenitsyn’s in even one academic publication.” ( — AngryJew)

    For the record, here, apparently, is the reference, included in the footnotes of Shamir’s linked piece:

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Evrei v SSSR i v budushei Rossii, 2001 (in Russian)

  72. March 15, 2010 - 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Hi! Before of instead of translating Two Centuries Together, you can translate Solzh’s earlier and much shorter essay on the subject http://gornischt.narod.ru/solzh1.htm It is not copyrighted.

  73. RF's Gravatar RF
    March 16, 2010 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    Israel,
    First, the link doesn’t work and I were not able to find the text from other sources.
    Second, its authorship of that piece is problematic, but I would like to take a look at it anyway.

    BTW, I will send a translated chapter (a small one) to a friend tonight for editing and then I will post it on my site.

    Copyright question is not clear – the owners of the official website did not reply on my questions, but out there you can download his books free of charge. So I dont expect any legal trouble from dissemination of his translated works if the translation is done by volunteers etc.

  74. March 22, 2010 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    The link http://gornischt.narod.ru/solzh1.htm works fine; I am certain of authorship.

  75. March 22, 2010 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    You can try http://gornischt.narod.ru/sol1.zip for download of zip file

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