Elena Kagan on the Jewish radical tradition in American politics

JudicialWatch.org has some important material on Elena Kagan. Judicial Watch President Thomas Fitton notes the “most disturbing”  parts of her senior thesis at Princeton are the following:

Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP [Socialist Party] exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism…to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America.

…if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope.

As Fitton says, “Do we really need a Supreme Court Justice who once lamented the lack of unity on the part of the Socialist Party?”

Judicial Watch had a link to Kagan’s thesis but it doesn’t work as of today. Her senior thesis is consistent with other historical studies in showing that the Socialist Party in New York in the early 20th century was a Jewish phenomenon. She notes that Jews were the backbone of the Socialist Party and that other ethnic groups, such as the Irish and Italians, could not be motivated to join even though they were in a similar economic situation.

Not only were Jews the backbone of the Socialist Party, socialism was very mainstream within the Jewish community.  Her account parallels those of other historians who describe the Jewish community from 1890 to 1920 as “one big radical debating society” (see here, p. 71ff).

From [1886] on Jewish districts in New York and elsewhere were famous for their radical voting habits. The Lower East Side repeatedly picked as its congressman Meyer London, the only New York Socialist ever to be elected to Congress. And many Socialists went to the State Assembly in Albany from Jewish districts. In the 1917 mayoralty campaign in New York City, the Socialist and anti-war candidacy of Morris Hillquit was supported by the most authoritative voices of the Jewish Lower East Side: The United Hebrew Trades, the International Ladies’ Garment Workers’ Union, and most importantly, the very popular Yiddish Daily Forward. This was the period in which extreme radicals—like Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman—were giants in the Jewish community, and when almost all the Jewish giants—among them Abraham Cahan, Morris Hillquit, and the young Morris R. Cohen—were radicals. Even Samuel Gompers, when speaking before Jewish audiences, felt it necessary to use radical phrases.

The result was a radical mainstream Jewish culture that persisted in New York and elsewhere into the 1960s and beyond. With the success of the Bolshevik Revolution, many Jews opted out of the Socialist Party, resulting in a Jewish Communist subculture that was also entirely mainstream within the Jewish community.

Kagan’s comments in her thesis suggest a sympathy with this radical Jewish culture — even a desire to carry it to fruition. Everything we know about her indicates that she continues to be immersed in a Jewish culture whose attitudes are well to the left of the American mainstream–a subculture that was hostile to the  traditional people and culture of the US and has now become a hostile elite.

This fits well with Kagan’s childhood in New York’s Upper West Side — described by Dan Freedman as “as conservative’s worst nightmare.” During her college years she wrote, “Where I grew up _ on Manhattan’s Upper West Side _ nobody ever admitted to voting for Republicans.”

Elena Kagan and many of this culture’s children emerged from the Upper West Side political cauldron as committed to making the world a better place for all, mindful that everyday people can affect change as teachers, doctors, lawyers _ and, yes, even journalists _ and make government work for the common good.

There is no indication that Kagan has changed her views, and there’s not much doubt that indeed she will be a judicial activist on the left. Fitton quotes from her Oxford thesis:

As men and as participants in American life, judges will have opinions, prejudices, values. Perhaps most important, judges will have goals. And because this is so, judges will often try to mold and steer the law in order to promote certain ethical values and achieve certain social ends. Such activity is not necessarily wrong or invalid.

Well, at least we know what we can expect when Kagan gets on the court.

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54 Comments to "Elena Kagan on the Jewish radical tradition in American politics"

  1. November 6, 2010 - 5:42 am | Permalink

    I just added this page to my favorites. I really like reading your posts. Tyvm!

  2. BobSerious's Gravatar BobSerious
    June 1, 2010 - 3:17 pm | Permalink

    It’s concern of some jews that one day charismatic goy will lead whites against minorities in US. Where is such Leader and are there any astronomical
    chances that he will ever appear in this thoroughly zionised and sodomised country? Anyone??

  3. omop's Gravatar omop
    May 28, 2010 - 7:30 am | Permalink

    The Jerusalem Post published a poll of the world’s to 50 inluential Jews in the World. Ms. Kagan was listed at #10. Numero Uno was Boom Boom Bibi foloowed by Rahm Emanuel. #3 was Ben Bernanke.

    It may be past time that Americans reconsider what the USA stands for. The US Supreme Court with the approval of a pervert will have 4 justices from one city.
    That is New York City. ( Lest we forget there are 50 states and 300 million of us )

    If she is the best of the best then Mr. Obama is nothing but an AIPAC lackey.
    Its enough to make one literally sick.

  4. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    May 26, 2010 - 9:16 pm | Permalink

    @Euroman

    “But I think Andrew is right: in my opinion, the ‘paranoia’ is inborn.”

    I guess so. It’s a shame as it makes the likely outcomes worse.

  5. Paul Hausser's Gravatar Paul Hausser
    May 26, 2010 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    “The only two non-Jews in the whole Communist conspiracy ..who the hell Nathan Silvermine John Abt Vicotr Perlo they were all of them Jews..

    It was a whole Jewish ring ..but the only two non-Jews were Chambers and Hiss. Many thought that Hiss was he could have been a half but back a ways. But every other one was a Jew and it raised hell with us”

    Richard Nixon to HR Haldeman

    Incidentally when I was in High School Chambers and Hiss were the only two I heard about as being Communists spies except the Rosenbergs

  6. euroman's Gravatar euroman
    May 25, 2010 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    @ Wandrin:

    I like what you wrote (‘I don’t think it’s anything like as conscious as it may seem…’ etc…)

    But I think Andrew is right: in my opinion, the ‘paranoia’ is inborn.

    Consider the following excerpt from MacDonald’s book ‘Culture of Critique’:

    Page xxxii, paragraph 3: It is interesting that developmental psychologists have found unusually intense fear reactions among Israeli infants in response to strangers, while the opposite pattern is found for infants from North Germany. (See endnote 14) The Israeli infants were much more likely to become “inconsolably upset” in reaction to strangers, whereas the North German infants had relatively minor reactions to strangers. The Israeli babies therefore tended to have an unusual degree of stranger anxiety, while the North German babies were
    the opposite — findings that fit with the hypothesis that Europeans and Jews are on opposite ends of scales of xenophobia and ethnocentrism.

    Endnote 14. Grossman et al. and Sagi et al., in I. Bretherton & E. Waters (Eds.), Growing Points in Attachment Theory and Research. Monographs for the Society for Research in Child Development, 50(1-2), 233-275. Sagi et al. suggest temperamental differences in stranger anxiety may be important because of the unusual intensity of the reactions of many of the Israeli infants. The tests were often terminated because of the intense crying of the infants. Sagi et al. find this pattern among both Kibbutz-reared and city-reared infants, although less strongly in the latter. However, the city-reared infants were subjected to somewhat different testing conditions: They were not subjected to a pre-test socialization episode with a stranger. Sagi et al. suggest that the socialization pre-test may have intensified reactions to strangers among the Kibbutz-reared babies, but they note that such pre-tests do not have this effect in samples of infants from Sweden and the U.S. This again highlights the difference between Israeli and European samples.

  7. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 25, 2010 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Andrew, I think you are almost entirely correct. (And unlike me you thought to spell-check before posting.)

    One of the points of the parable of the beach though is that this is no longer entirely about group A displacing group B in the way that monkeys do.

    Jews want Whites displaced even at cost to themselves, even if this means importing populations that are wise to them, like Middle Eastern Muslims, or that just don’t like them much, like African-Americans.

    This means that the rate at which Whites are displaced isn’t limited by Jewish natural increase or immigration. Once the demographic Kevorkian machine is assembled, the rate of White displacement is limited by the rate at which everybody not-White can breed and flood into the land to take territory and goodies from Whites, who (paralyzed by the culture of critique) cannot either build fruitful families in their accustomed way or effectively defend their turf.

    Historically, strategies of White resistance took time to develop, but there was time. Generations that trusted unwisely died off and were replaced by new generations that could see themselves being displaced, could see that the older generation had gotten it wrong, and still had demography all in their favor when they acted.

    The new way of Jewish ethnic competition versus Whites is far more dangerous and faster.

  8. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    May 25, 2010 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @AngryJew,
    There are a few weaknesses with your argument. First, Jews are primarily Middle Easterners (genetically 2/3 according to the latest data). They are not Europeans genetically, though they are “White” in the sense of being caucasians, just like Turks are “White”. Secondly, your viewpoint (apparently pro-White) is probably shared by perhaps 2% of the Jewish community. You are part of a tiny minority within the Jewish minority, a rarity within a rarity. As a whole, Jews are involved in a group vs. group struggle, one ethnic group working to displace another, a natural process older than mankind (we see it in the Chimpanzee world). Jews have been engaged in this for well over a century now in America, and have been combating other ethnic groups in other nations for far longer than that.

    The roots of this struggle are probably genetic, wired deeply in the human brain, which is primed for ethnic conflict, and which Jews are probably suited for better than any other group. There is only 1 land area here, and political power is a zero sum game, only 1 group can be dominant. Whites who wish to preserve their genetic diversity and culture are automatically intractably at odds with Jews, Blacks and Hispanics, who wish to displace them from their dominant position.

    The idea that reaching out a hand of friendship to Jews, showing them that Whites mean them no harm has the same chance of success as the Israelis reaching out to the Muslims. There can only be unending ethnic conflict in the Middle East, as both sides have irreconcilable, opposing interests. The same is true anywhere that different ethnic groups exist in the same land area. A majority European nation (like we had in 1900) would always be a threat to Jews, they could be kicked out at any time like they had been so often in the past in Europe. Their security could only come in a multicultural, multiethnic nation, which displaced Europeans (which we are rapidly reaching). Unfortunately, this threatens the survival of Europeans, but for Jews, this is a small price to pay. According to the laws of nature, it is right and just for Jews to do everything necessary for them to survive, and history is littered with ethnic groups that have fallen (Assyrians, Hittites, Romans) while the Jews have survived.

    Whites and Jews will be able to coexist peacefully in America once the Israelis and Palestinians are able to do so in Israel. Of course, thats fantasy, even if a fair multi-ethnic state was created in Israel, each group would be working to displace the other (and the Palestinians would probably do so via population increase and democracy). Similarly, Jews will always work against a European Christian majority in the US, its completely opposed to their vision of the nation they want to live in. So yes, Jews are “White” as you say, just like Palestinians, Saudis and Afgans are “White,” according to the US Census and anthropologists. But they are not Europeans, not native to Europe, not genetically so, with completely different cultures, histories, ancestries and mindsets.

    • March 31, 2011 - 1:01 am | Permalink

      Don’t stereotype and pidgeonhole all Mohammedians. By the way, I’m a White Jew- my granddad is the “mamzer” John “Jack” Czarnecki, whose mom was a Slovakian-Polish American; and my mom is of Frankish-Gaelic-Briton descent.

  9. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    May 25, 2010 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous
    “The idea that jews do not have a will to power cannot be sustained in the light of historical facts.”

    I think they have a will to power i’m just not sure whether thay have a will to power for its own sake or through a desire for security fuelled by paranoia which can never be satisfied because of that same paranoia.

    There’s little or no difference between the two in practical terms but a lot of the time jews strike me as not being entirely rational.

    It’s like the photo from a recent post of five or six Israeli students shouting at the Palestinian woman. To me, despite the odds, the Israeli students look like they feel threatened.

  10. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 25, 2010 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Jupiter says: “Kagan’s legal views are very much in sync with very wealthy non-jewish CEOs who are the force behind the race-replacement of the majority White American population. These are the facts you should be focused on.”

    The point of noting Socialism’s appeal to Elena Kagan is not that she wants 100% government ownership of the commanding heights of the economy and all capitalists replaced with commisars to implement the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    The points are that it’s an indication that she was successfully socialized into typical Jewish support for Jewish causes and key intellectual threads of the culture of critique, that she’s comfortable with socialism’s radical desanctification of the world and of social relations outside Judaism and its networking, and that she has no moral problems with being a radical, agenda-driven, goal-driven judge.

    That’s plenty bad enough. There’s no need to imagine Elena Kagan pining for a Pol Pot for POTUS. Of course she doesn’t think like that. But there is every reason to think she’ll be happy with the pathologization of White non-Jewish allegiances and both legislative and judiciary-driven solutions for that, with policies built on Boasian anthropology and its permanent tendencies to blame Whites for natural differences and to drive them down in pursuit of a leveling that cannot take place, and with population-replacement multiculturalism and the creation of an ethnically segmented social order.

  11. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 25, 2010 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    The idea that jews do not have a will to power cannot be sustained in the light of historical facts. Even the contemporary history of Israel shows there’s an unquenchable thirst for dominance at work. And it is unstoppable, intrinsic to the collective strategy.

    On the other hand, I believe the reason for jews never being able to sustain absolute power is a direct result of their collective strategy. The human ecology is fundamentally stable. Whatever collective strategy we see at work has been seen before and dealt with many times through history. There were strategies similar to the jewish one before jews as such were invented. What surprises me is the general perception that gentiles do not have a strategy to counteract the jewish one. They do have and they also employ self-deception in such strategy. Arguably it’s because of gentile absurd tolerance that extreme jewish behavior is more easily detected, despite the enormous effort they employ concealing it. Anyway, jewish collective strategy was detected long ago and the trade-off offered (by Nature) to the jewish entity was that it would be forever kept out of absolute power because of its destructive tendency. Lets put it this way, the properties which make jews naturally international precludes them from being national. Whenever jews dominate a country it dies, moreover, jews cannot dominate a country before it is already dying.

    Now, I understand that jewish strategy fills a vacuum in human ecology, meaning it will always be with us. There’s no solution to the jewish question, least of all a final one. Only a paranoid self-absorbed group can develop a a method for solving problems based entirely on self-interest and also lower the burden of conscience in a world full of individuals with no close relations to each other. To account 99% of humanity as part of the environment lessens the demand for inefficient altruism and also makes the physical environment rather challenging. With such benefits at hand, even if all the jews in the world were exterminated, it would take a few generations for another group to identify the vacant ecological niche and install itself.

  12. me's Gravatar me
    May 25, 2010 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Jews don’t see themselves as whites any more than they see themselves as Christians.
    the definitely put themselves under the umbrella of those ‘oppressed’ by ‘us’ – hence if someone is attacked because they are jewish – its a hate crime under Holder, if someone attacks them because they are white, its not.

    I would say genetically most askanazi are white/ or white with a little semite. ..

  13. Kratos's Gravatar Kratos
    May 25, 2010 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    WASP should get themselves a Muslim when they want to turn Jews into nasty Righty. At least people will be safe from the bellicose of lies they cloak themselves with when they utter “socialism”.

  14. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 25, 2010 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    Chris Moore says: “Actually, there is a movement along the lines of what AngryJew is pining for; it’s called neoconservatism.”

    OK, I take back half of what I said.

    This half I stick to: ” I don’t care if that movement is hurt, or rather I hope it is hurt.”

  15. Jupiter's Gravatar Jupiter
    May 25, 2010 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    I think you are over doing it with the socialit thing. Alexander Cockburn over at Counterpunch has made a compeling case that Kagan’s legal philosophy is hostile to workers but very symapthetic to Corporate interests.

    Some of you need to get over the anti-commie-socialist hysteria…say the word socialistic..caste the spell and people are to suppose to stop thinking. Look, the real problem with Kagan is that she is a Jew-a very ugly one at that-who is enthusiastic about race-replacing he White American Christian majority with nonwhites.

    Enough with the commie witch hunts. I am glad that there are laws and regulations that make it hard for the owners of the means of production to kill and maime White workers. I am alo happy that there are laws against child labor. If this is socialism, I am a socialist.

    Kagan’s legal views are very much in sync with very wealthy non-jewish CEOs who are the force behind the race-replacement of the majority White American population. These are the facts you should be focused on.

  16. May 25, 2010 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    @ Daybreaker: “There’s no common movement of Jews and non-Jewish Whites, other than self-hating Whites following a leftist, White-destructive agenda. I don’t care of that movement is hurt, or rather I hope it is hurt.”

    Actually, there is a movement along the lines of what AngryJew is pining for; it’s called neoconservatism. And although not explicitly white, it has most of the characteristics of what AngryJew is angling for — which is another good reason not to go down that road. The neocons were/are mostly comprised of Jewish nationalists looking to triangulate “conservatism” for their own Zionist purposes, because they felt the Democrats had become too soft to ever be willing to start wars for Israel (as opposed to merely enforcing the status-quo of the outcome of wars that the Right already completed, ie Clinton enforcing the sanctions against Iraq). And their plan worked masterfully, as Bush II’s invasion of Iraq (largely instigated by the Israel lobby and the neocons) makes clear.

    Why do I suspect that AngryJew and his ilk are attempting to play a similar game? If Jews were ever to be allowed into the white consciousness movement, I can almost guarantee that in less than a generation, the whites would be fighting yet another war for Israel, and the “white” Jews would be laughing all the way to the bank.

  17. May 25, 2010 - 8:30 am | Permalink

    @ AngryJew: “What I am banging my drum on about is that we are White, and simply because someone is Jewish, they should not be excluded from the movement. In fact there should be Jewish outreach. But its impossible with a priori rejections.”

    C’mon. Be hones with yourself. Jews don’t see themselves as whites any more than they see themselves as Christians. Whites and white Christians were the ones who have supposedly been persecuting them for 2,000 years, hence Marxism (largely inspired upon Marx and Engels by Jewish Zionist Moses Hess), hence Jewish Bolshevism, hence Communist mass murder, hence the Holocaust as a pre-emptive strike…but I suppose it could really all be traced back to Jewry’s attempt to exterminate Christianity in the cradle (not only Jesus, but Christianity in its entirety even following Jesus), which is what started the pattern.

    @ Mark: Capitalism is a far more “progressive” system than socialism ever was. I think Fitton and other “conservatives” like him should be much more concerned about Kagan’s Jewish-friendly capitalism than her “really non-existing socialism.”

    I agree Capitalism is totally out of control in America, but what we really have is more a system of State Capitalism/Statist Corporatism, where Big Government essentially picks and makes the winners based upon crony connections (the ultimate example being the Fed/Goldman Sachs, but there are thousands of others). This is very different from free market capitalism, in which government seeks to chop down monopolies and keep the money flowing to all corners of society by encouraging small business and “breaking” the insatiably greedy Corporatists, who love nothing more than to whore out their own countrymen for a nickel.

  18. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 25, 2010 - 7:11 am | Permalink

    Helvena says: “@Daybreaker. “A fog of incomprehension, superstition and myth does not square with my observations.” – That’s because you believe the same things.”

    Maybe so, but I can only call them as I see them.

  19. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 25, 2010 - 7:04 am | Permalink

    AngryJew says: “I sympathize with the victims of ADL zealotry. I think you need to feel more self-confident. As long as you are not literally hating Jews, and are making valid criticisms, who cares what you are called. Carry on.”

    People have always cared what they were called, they do care and they will always care. First, being called Nazi etc. hurts. Second, it has severe social consequences.

    AngryJew says: “My beef is with those who say Jews aren’t White.”

    Non-Jewish Whites of European descent are under consequential social attack, and they need to become self-aware to defend themselves, and that requires a label. There is no satisfactory alternative to “White”.

    Three the reasons why including “Jewish” in the “White” category does not work:
    1. The hostile critique-culture, the Holocaust-memorializing, White guilt culture that we already have is anti-non-Jewish White but not anti-Jewish.
    2. Non-Jewish Whites, for they sake of their relatives and posterity if not themselves, have an objective interest in overthrowing this culture. Jews do not share this common interest.
    * Non-Jewish Whites have common interest in developing ethnocentric elites, whereas Jews already have wealthy and influential elites that are as ethnocentric as possible.

    The two groups are too different in their characteristics, circumstances and interests for the same label to cover them both adequately, and non-Jewish Whites need the label a lot more, as Jews already have an excellent label.

    AngryJew says: “You’re wrong, and you are hurting the movement.”

    There’s no common movement of Jews and non-Jewish Whites, other than self-hating Whites following a leftist, White-destructive agenda. I don’t care of that movement is hurt, or rather I hope it is hurt.

    AngryJew says: “Let me assure you, Jews who challenge the ADL are treated as harshly as everyone else. The epithet “self-hating” is no joke, and unlike Gentiles we can run into trouble with the JDL.”

    Let me assure you, the position of a Jew challenging some Jewish biases is not more socially insecure than that of a Gentile. You can live in a neighborhood where you’re Jewish-savvy and Jew-friendly or a recluse, have Jewish friends and networks, build up a Jewish library and self-educate to the point where you have more Jewish knowledge than most of the Jews you know, … and go from almost like a real Member Of the Tribe to ANTISEMITE! in nothing flat, over stuff that looks completely peripheral to Judaism but really isn’t.

    Why this chronic Jewish institutional support for abortion? Isn’t that a new Holocaust, just as the Catholics say, when you look at the numbers and the simple fact that innocent, defenseless human beings are being killed? Never mind that the “black hats” (who I generally like and get on better with) don’t like this, how is it that elite, big power-player Judaism is supporting it?

    What is this mass-immigration madness? Why are Jews of all stripes so intractable on this topic? Look at all the friendly White faces in this safe and civil neighborhood? How can you countenance their displacement? Why not be friends? Don’t you know you have never been challenged in this area, except by Muslims who are coming in and driving out the Whites through the same mass immigration policies you all favor, even in private? Stop supporting this: at least tell your friends and fathers to knock it off, and that if they keep doing it it’s against you.

    Things like that – things that shouldn’t even have to do with Judaism, as defined by books, but which evidently do have to do with Judaism as it is defined by practices of systematic in-group hostility vs. an out-group…

    Naught to “Nazi!” in under 60 seconds.

    The truth is, non-obvious forms aggression vs. potentially competitive out-groups, networking to the detriment of non-MOTs, perceptions of White threat and potential Nazi-like demonic hostility, anti-Christianity and rejection and exclusion are all “spring-loaded” in Jewish life.

    There’s not a thing Whites can do about this. Doing nothing, maintaining a false peace by inactivity, is not an option, because they Jews move first and do things that change the moral and ethnic character of the city to the detriment of Whites and decent living, even if Whites just smile at their Jewish neighbors and hope for the best.

    AngryJew says: “BUT, again, my point is that one cannot summarize all Jewish activity as left or right. I think the link illustrates that Jews – like any other people – want to survive, and are willing to reach out to those who can help in the survival.”

    Sure.

    AngryJew says: “What I am banging my drum on about is that we are White, and simply because someone is Jewish, they should not be excluded from the movement. In fact there should be Jewish outreach. But its impossible with a priori rejections.”

    Kevin MacDonald is all for White-Jewish friendship, as am I, as are very many others.

    But we have to live in a meantime where terrible things are happening to Whites, swiftly, relentlessly and on a huge scale. That requires action that cannot wait on Jewish outreach.

    Here’s a made-up illustration that’s not as made-up as all that. Imagine a place we’ll call Eden Beach. Whites have lived there since settlement. Jews get rich and move in. Whites put up no resistance, reacting purely in individualistic terms, and in the short term enjoying neighbors with quiet habits bringing money into the area. Call it “multiculturalism without the down side” – in the short term. Jews, now with a dominant say in everything and networking fiercely to shut Whites out of all but token positions, set out to make the area multicultural for real. This involves beating down White resistance, and there is some at first, because the new neighbors, let’s call them the Abduls, aren’t nice at all. In fact it’s not even good to go to the beach, unless you’re comfortable with your White girlfriend being harassed and threatened with rape, or unless you can afford guards for your area of the beach, which the Jews can and the Whites can’t. Physical safety, which used to be a universal good on a beach that was all for Whites, is now a private good that Jews see no need to share with their less bright, less aggressive and less ethnocentic White “rivals”. Whites, with no real access to law-making and enforcement in their specific interest, start to flee the area.

    What will the Jews do when it’s all-Abdul except for some Chinese merchants and them in their well guarded areas and fortress-like specifically Jewish buildings? Maybe stay: it’s still a great beach and they’ve still got lots of money for security. But maybe leave, and then, inevitably complain about the rise in antisemitism, and not blame themselves or the Abduls or the whole mad idea of multiculturalism. Instead they’ll double their paranoia against Whites, and react accordingly wherever they go next.

    Despite your apparent obsession with affirmative action for Whites vs. Jews, AngryJew, it’s not about that, and it never has been. Most Whites aren’t going to be elite anyway, and all they want is elites that share a friendly fellow-feeling for them and have a decent regard for their interests. As long at they (incorrectly) suppose that Jews are going to be like that they raise no objection to Jews making themselves the new elites.

    The problem is that Jews form HOSTILE elites, not that they form elites. That hostility means severe consequences, culturally, demographically, politically, economically and in all sorts of ways for Whites who are then helpless.

    Back on topic, for a moment: it doesn’t metter that Elena Kagan seems to have great powers of being personally pleasant. What good does that do, when she’s going to make decisions that will move people into your neighborhood that won’t be pleasant at all? Who cares if she personally never swung a fist in anger? She’ll be the sword and shield of abortion mills killing helpless human beings every day of the year. Once you let the wrong people get in charge, your decline, morally and physically, is a done deal.

  20. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    May 25, 2010 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    @Tom Watson. Thank you Tom. Ezra Pound’s grandfather, Thaddeus Pound, was a Republican Representative from Wisconsin. Although he ran as a Republican he had a very strong populist sense and went as far as issuing his own scrip to challenge the bankers.

    @Daybreaker. “A fog of incomprehension, superstition and myth does not square with my observations.” – That’s because you believe the same things.

  21. HA's Gravatar HA
    May 25, 2010 - 4:57 am | Permalink

    If you let Jews in they take over: the lesson of the Ivy League, the Republican party and now the Supreme Court.

  22. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    May 25, 2010 - 3:24 am | Permalink

    I sympathize with the victims of ADL zealotry. I think you need to feel more self-confident. As long as you are not literally hating Jews, and are making valid criticisms, who cares what you are called. Carry on.

    My beef is with those who say Jews aren’t White.

    You’re wrong, and you are hurting the movement.

    Let me assure you, Jews who challenge the ADL are treated as harshly as everyone else. The epithet “self-hating” is no joke, and unlike Gentiles we can run into trouble with the JDL.

    BUT, again, my point is that one cannot summarize all Jewish activity as left or right. I think the link illustrates that Jews – like any other people – want to survive, and are willing to reach out to those who can help in the survival.

    What I am banging my drum on about is that we are White, and simply because someone is Jewish, they should not be excluded from the movement. In fact there should be Jewish outreach. But its impossible with a priori rejections.

    • March 31, 2011 - 12:57 am | Permalink

      Go, son, go! I’ve been attacked by Noah David Simon and David Appletree (the self-called “Jewish Internet Defense Force”).

  23. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    May 24, 2010 - 10:28 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew
    “I think you may oversimplify this a little”

    Yes. It’s just an idea that popped into my head when reading something of the Professor’s that mentioned the jewish view of their own history.

  24. AngryJaw's Gravatar AngryJaw
    May 24, 2010 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    In 15 years whites in the US will be too busy cleaning up and rebuilding after the big social collapse and the following civil war have taken place to waste time on nonsensical works about jews. Whites won’t be wasting time writing about the jews, who will have fled for Israel or Patagonia once it really hit the fan. Whites will be mindful of keeping the jews out of course. The jews will be too busy looking for new rubes and not finding many if any takers.

    Of course jewish personality and cognitive traits are for the most part genetic. That’s nothing new. In the end, it doesn’t matter. What they do, how they act on their urges is what does matter. The extreme malevolence they hold toward those who are not members of the tribe speaks for itself.

  25. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    May 24, 2010 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an easier link to Tom Watson’s “Socialists and Socialism”:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ajYPAAAAYAAJ

  26. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    May 24, 2010 - 6:32 pm | Permalink
  27. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 24, 2010 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Helvena says: “I don’t believe that the vast majority of Jews do understand it. They are raised with a very ghetto/tribal mentality full of superstition and myth.”

    Maybe in your neighborhood. A fog of incomprehension, superstition and myth does not square with my observations.

  28. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    May 24, 2010 - 5:49 pm | Permalink

    @Wandrin,
    I think you are on to something with connecting personality traits to Jewish collective behavior. I think you may oversimplify this a little with your hypothesis that Jews raise their children to be paranoid, and this paranoia affects a wide range of behavior, including wealth-gathering.

    Clearly, Jews are very closely related, and share many inborn personality traits, with these traits significantly genetically based, and thus people who are genetically similar will tend to share them. Paranoia is probably involved, which is a survival mechanism, being paranoid while living in a foreign land is very adaptive, as the natives will rise against you from time to time, especially when you are finagling them. Thus, always expecting the worst will be very helpful, as the worst does happen periodically.

    We have to realize that Jewish inborn traits are the product of thousands of years of selection, its not just a matter of children being raised to be paranoid. The strong need for security is another important Jewish trait that is also probably inborn, as well as the desire to accumulate wealth (these are just a handful of the Jewish traits we could describe). All of these would greatly boost your survival prospects as Jew in history, and of course the most successful went on to have the most children.

    I think that if Jews are paranoid, its not so much that their parents raise them to be this way, but rather they are genetically pre-conditioned to be this way, and so will bring up their kids in that fashion, and their kids will easily assimilate those attitudes, all based on strong inborn traits. Its like Blacks have an inborn love of rhythm and dancing that comes out no matter who raises them, and that they are drawn to. It would be interesting to observe the behavior of full-blooded Jewish children adopted as infants by non-Jews (if there were such), and see what personality traits they exhibited in common. I suspect that they would have a tendency to gravitate toward Judaism and all things Jewish, even if they had no clue they were genetically Jewish (their inborn traits would attract them toward their community).

  29. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    May 24, 2010 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    @Wandrin – I’ll buy your book.

    @ Phil & Tom – Socialism is a natural reaction to the abuse of capitalism. The abuse of capitalism is one of the things that fueled National Socialism and the fascist movements in Europe.

  30. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    May 24, 2010 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @ Phil Tracy

    Right, Phil. There were all sorts of variants of socialism-populism, not all of which were Jewish-Marxist. Even some of the of the leaders of the more radical socialists in the US like the Western Federation of Miners, or even Eugene Debs probably never even saw a Jew until they were well into their adult years.

    The Jews were always a source of big trouble for the homegrown socialists-populists & labor unions. There are a plethora of examples of Jews causing trouble…

  31. barb's Gravatar barb
    May 24, 2010 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    “paranoid jewish craving for security that can never be satisfied. Either they go live in their own country among their own people or they’ll end up killing us all”

    Insightful post.
    I’ve made this point before:
    Jews say “antisemitism is paranoia.” Well, if that’s true, then Jews are the carriers that transmit the illness. Since they make us crazy, we need them to leave, as a public health measure. You know, like draining swamps got rid of the mosquitoes, ended the malaria epidemic.

    It really, in the final analysis, really matters not whether it’s deliberate “will to power” or just the manifestion of their Gentile-paranoia. Either way, the results are devastating to us and we need free of them.

  32. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    May 24, 2010 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t believe that the vast majority of Jews do understand it.”

    Agree. I don’t think it’s anything like as conscious as it may seem.

    Professor McDonald often mentions the lachrymose version of jewish history. I think that’s the critical mechanism and ultimately it’s all that is needed.

    jews bring up their children to be paranoid of non-jews.

    If you take that simple idea and then apply it to 100 jews in different contexts then it all fits.

    Say those 100 jews have recently arrived in New York and work in clothing factories. What’s good for the jews in that context? I’d suggest socialism, communism, collective trade union solidarity etc.

    Time moves on and those 100 jews have moved up into the middle class. What’s good for the jews in that context? They’re competing as an ethnic group with other ethnic groups and it would be much more in their interest for it to be them stealthily competing as a group while the others compete as individuals. Cultural marxism, diluted down to left-liberalism, fits the bill here – a set of ideas that breakdown the ethnic cohesion of the rival groups while studiously ignoring the ethnic nepotism of the jews.

    Time moves on again and now the jews are the elite. What’s good for the jews in that context? I’d suggest anti-nationalist open borders type libertarianism combined with various hyper-individualist ideologies. Promoting those ideas has the effect of pulling up the ladder behind them.

    So economic collectivism when at the bottom of the pile, culturally disintegrating left-liberalism when moving up to the elite, then lastly promoting hyper disintegration and individualism when they are safely esconced on the elite level.

    At no stage does there need to be any kind of group decision making. The 100 individuals make the same decision that suits their collective group interests because each of the 100 individuals has been conditioned to be hyper-racial by the paranoia instilled by their parents and the lachrymose version of jewish history.

    (Human nature being what it is it would never really be 100%. There’ll always be a few individuals who go against the grain but the majority will react the same way because they had the same childhood conditioning.)

    Also obviously the 100 jews in this example don’t all rise through the heirarchy at the same time so at any one point there would be a mixture of views. Plus there would be a time lag due to family history. It’s possible to imagine a communist grand-father, left-liberal father and libertarian capitalist son but in reality the transition is more likely to be spread out across more generations.

    I see paranoia as the key and what makes them so dangerous to us – no doubt unconsciously so in many cases.

    I see jewish “greed” as actually being an obsessive quest for security through wealth caused by paranoia which if not blocked will ultimately always end up destroying the economy of the host because there is no end to it. They have an insatiable need for security which leads to an insatiable need for wealth.

    I see jewish paranoia leading them to see their security as inversely proportional to the security of the host. I think jews see a 99% homogenous host as a potential threat to them and so seek to undermine it. This eventually leads to situations like the ongoing mass murder of white people by non-white immigrants that is occuring all over the western world.

    I don’t see what’s happened in America and other parts of the west since the war as a jewish will to power. I see it more as a paranoid jewish craving for security that can never be satisfied. Either they go live in their own country among their own people or they’ll end up killing us all and then getting paranoid again over the mexicans and the whole process starting over.

  33. Hello Everybody's Gravatar Hello Everybody
    May 24, 2010 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny. Every time I visit some unfashionable sites (whether I’m reading posts on a Khazar thread on Youtube or some other unfashionable site as this) I ran into these posters who seem to imitate my bad English.
    What’s up with that?
    Is there anybody out there who is so pathological as to feel that his/her ethnic interest is threatened by some 38-year old Asian guy reading some articles of unfashionable content and that he/she needs to engage in some form of subversive tactic to make me look
    like a fool?

  34. Tim's Gravatar Tim
    May 24, 2010 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    The countries that have taken Nietzche’s advice are committing suicide.

  35. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    May 24, 2010 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    AngryJew,
    After 15 years of the Kagan monstrosity ‘pushing the envelope’ in the Supreme Court there won’t be much anyone can lawfully say about Jews by way of criticism.

  36. Phil Tracy's Gravatar Phil Tracy
    May 24, 2010 - 10:40 am | Permalink

    ” . . . a [Jewish] subculture that was hostile to the traditional people and culture . . . ”

    The traditional culture presumably being pro-Wall Street? This really does not explain the popularity of socialist politics in places such as fin de siecle Kansas.

  37. omop's Gravatar omop
    May 24, 2010 - 7:39 am | Permalink

    The view that Jews are a distinct people with a primary commitment to Israel and the Jewish community is forthrightly affirmed by Elliott Abrams, Podhoretz’s son in law and President George W. Bush’s senior advisor for “global democratic strategy,” and in 2006 was a key advisor on Middle East affairs to the US Secretary of State.

    In his book Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in Christian America, he writes: “Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nations in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart — except in Israel — from the rest of the population.”

    Judaism and the Jewish way of life,” writes Abrams, is not “entirely voluntary, for the Jew is born into a covenantal community with obligations to God.” Jews, he goes on, “are in a permanent covenant with God”.

    Since according to Mr. Abrams a Jew is NOT a part of the societies he/she lives with they then can play either way.

  38. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    May 24, 2010 - 5:22 am | Permalink

    We’ve been conditioned by Christianity to strive for a utopian ideal. I agree with you (and Nietzsche by the way) it is time for us to put childish notions away and to face reality.

  39. me's Gravatar me
    May 24, 2010 - 5:15 am | Permalink

    I don’t believe that the vast majority of Jews do understand it. They are raised with a very ghetto/tribal mentality full of superstition and myth. They are easliy manipulated by their leaders. They are not independent thinkers, they are instictive and so easily herded
    True. but we are naive or fair minded to the point of stupidity .

    Particularly with East European (non German ) jews – they are not that far removed from middle ages- only by a couple of generations -were all west european peoples are centuries removed.

  40. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    May 24, 2010 - 4:41 am | Permalink

    @ Daybreaker: What amazing social cohesion! What an ability to use every circumstance and intellectual movement, understanding it but not being captured by it!

    I don’t believe that the vast majority of Jews do understand it. They are raised with a very ghetto/tribal mentality full of superstition and myth. They are easliy manipulated by their leaders. They are not independent thinkers, they are instictive and so easily herded. The Jews are very susceptible to The Crowd mentality. They are the most captive of all.

  41. me's Gravatar me
    May 24, 2010 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    Angry Jew: Yes there are conservative (not neoconservative) Jews but the Jewish elite is anything but, and they marginalize those conservatives just as readily as they do us.. but without the sundry “anti semitism’ charges.

    here’s one
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47775
    The Jewish grinch
    who stole Christmas

    - the problem, for us is we cannot say things like this without losing our jobs, getting ‘charged’ with some ‘hate crime’ etc.

  42. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 24, 2010 - 3:43 am | Permalink

    Thanks, AngryJew.

  43. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    May 24, 2010 - 3:06 am | Permalink

    One day, in say 15 years, Kevin McD will write a few words about the conservative Jewish tradition, in America and World-wide.

    Until that unlikely day, here’s this bit:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

    Of course I don’t expect any “gratitude” from those who insist Jews are not White and have worked hand-glove with the Devil to destroy Gentile Whitehood.

  44. Mark's Gravatar Mark
    May 23, 2010 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Fitton seems to be only concerned with Kagan’s “socialism.” Argh. American “conservatives” are such retards. Socialism has been totally discredited. Not just as an economic system, but as the true and only form of modern “progress.” Capitalism is a far more “progressive” system than socialism ever was. I think Fitton and other “conservatives” like him should be much more concerned about Kagan’s Jewish-friendly capitalism than her “really non-existing socialism.”

  45. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    May 23, 2010 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Once more we see the remarkable ability of the Jewish people to combine highly successful ethnic networking, the advantages of wealth and influence, and radical politics. Jews can be the faction of plutocracy and of funding the main political parties, and the faction of socialist ideals, and the faction of the slow march through the institutions by MOTs (Members Of the Tribe) all at once.

    What amazing social cohesion! What an ability to use every circumstance and intellectual movement, understanding it but not being captured by it!

  46. May 23, 2010 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Not surprisingly, the socialist trade-union movement was synonymous with the Jewish one. Leaders of unions that were not predominantly Jewish shared their members’ distaste for the Socialist Party, and the political sympathies of their unions reflected this fact. But among one set of unions – those in the garment trades – the Socialist Party reigned supreme. During the first two decades of the twentieth century, almost eighty percent of the city’s garment workers were Jewish men and women, whose political attitudes carried over into their labor organizations. The Jewish unions formed the organisational mainstay of New York City socialism…

    - Kagan, p. 24, Princeton Thesis

  47. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    May 23, 2010 - 12:53 pm | Permalink

    A Jewish George Washington and the cherry tree.

    “So now I’m telling lies?”

  48. May 23, 2010 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    “judges will often try to mold and steer the law in order to promote certain ethical values and achieve certain social ends.”

    The “ethical value” that Jewry seeks to achieve is Jewish supremacism by way of totalitarian government. The “social ends” Jewry seeks achieve is a transfer of wealth to itself by way of Statist-Corporatism.

    The “social justice” facade of socialism has always been a pretext to achieve those ends by drawing Gentile liberals into support for the “socialist” (read Jewish-supremacist) agenda.

    It’s no coincidence that the bigger American government has gotten, the more Jewish supremacist it has gotten, to the point where we’re now sacrificing large quantities of American blood and treasure in wars for Israel, and plundering our own economy to keep Wall Street Zionists in the high life.

    The main appeal of “liberalism” to Jewry is that is comprised of those who are just plain dumb, easily suckered, easy prey, and with a nihilistic chip on the shoulder. And today its even managed to draw in right-wing Dispensationalists of a similar stripe.

  49. me's Gravatar me
    May 23, 2010 - 10:36 am | Permalink

    Kagan’s neighborhood has a double standard,
    No double standard. One standard. “Is it good for Jews”.

  50. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    May 23, 2010 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    Manhattan neighborhood that nurtured Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan politically speaking -”don’t ask, don’t tell? It should be don’t ask, period, paragraph, end of story.

    Kagan’s neighborhood has a double standard, Israel only repealed it’s laws against homosexuality in 1988. Israeli soldiers were tried for homosexual acts in military courts.

  51. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    May 23, 2010 - 10:03 am | Permalink

    Thanks, very informative. Particularly this backgrounder:
    http://blog.timesunion.com/nypotomac/elena-kagans-upper-west-side-story/2904/

    Tikkun olam on steroids.

    Btw, the bike story is hard to believe—what are the odds? Is this a Jewish version of George Washington and the cherry tree?

  52. me's Gravatar me
    May 23, 2010 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    Elena Kagan and many of this culture’s children emerged from the Upper West Side political cauldron as committed to making the world a better place for all*,

    * except for whites, males, christians, & palestinians

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