Israel’s Latest War Crime: Peace flotilla attacked bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza

Israel has done it again. (See news articles and videos compiled by Alison Weir at “If Americans Knew.”) Creating outrage on a daily basis seems to be its speciality. It has now launched an attack on international peace activists carrying humanitarian aid to besieged Gaza — “the world’s largest concentration camp” still recovering from war crimes committed by Israel almost 18 months ago. Here are some of the bare facts: The Mavi Marmara is a Turkish vessel. It was part of a 6-ship unarmed flotilla, including a U.S.-flagged vessel, carrying 700 passengers from 40 different countries and 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid on a mission of mercy to besieged Gaza.

The ship was attacked approximately 65 miles off the coast of Netanya and 80 miles from Gaza, well within international waters. This is regarded as an act of piracy in international law. It is a war crime. It is too early to put a final figure on the number of casualties. These keep changing by the hour, depending on which side is providing the figures. AP’s initial report, based on figures helpfully supplied by Israel, stated that only two peace activists had died. This figure has now been rejected. The latest reports indicate that 16 unarmed activists may have been killed and up to 60 injured. Israeli casualties, as expected, have been minimal and almost cosmetic: two gun-toting commandos killed and three lightly injured. The AP report skilfully managed to give the impression that the heavily armed Israeli attackers were in fact the victims. The AP version comes down to this (my paraphrase):

Armed to the teeth, the Israelis board a vessel in international waters with peaceful intent, only to meet with violent resistance from a bunch of potential terrorists consisting of members of parliament from Germany, Sweden, Ireland and Turkey. Among those on board: Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire of Ireland, Holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein, US diplomats Amb. Edward Peck and Col Ann Wright, not to mention peace activists from forty countries — including a US Navy survivor of Israel’s infamous attack on the USS Liberty.

By some remarkable inversion of logic, all these highly respected humanitarian peace activists are portrayed as aggressors seeking a confrontation with peace-loving Israel, while their  Israeli attackers are seen as defending themselves by opening fire on orange-vested civilians rash enough to resist their ‘tough love’ overtures. Israel naturally claims that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Gazans are purportedly doing quite well under Israel’s benevolent supervision. All Israel wants is to stop arms getting through. And of course cement — for what is the point of rebuilding all those demolished houses if Israel, in its compassionate wisdom, intends to demolish them all over again? AP fails to mention that a recent Amnesty International report stated that Israel’s siege on Gaza had created a humanitarian crisis of horrendous proportions: that  four out of five Gaza residents needed humanitarian assistance and that hundreds were waiting for medical treatment that is cruelly denied by Israel.

Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid,” said the 2010 report, released on Thursday. “The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans —  a flagrant violation of international law.

Pay no attention. This is only Amnesty International speaking — an organization that gives aid to terrorists. Gilad Atzmon speaks for us all when he says:

The Israeli government fails to gather that the tide has changed.  We see through them. We all know what the Jewish state stands for. We  all know about the devastation in Gaza, we know about the siege, the destruction and  the crimes against humanity…In case the Israelis fail to see it, they are dealing with an international flotilla that is sailing under Turkish and Greek flags, a fleet that carries 800 enthusiastic activists from  all over the world. The Israelis are dealing with peace  lovers who are determined to break  through the  siege and deliver  medical aid, cement, paper and food. On the deck we have 35 European parliamentarians who must have  decided to say NO to Zionist fund  raisers. This flotilla is a clear signal to Israel that the game is  over. Israel is now all but officially isolated. All that is left for Israel is to  come to terms with its true nature: a shameless racist, murderous and  terrorist state…. The Israeli government and the Israeli people better start to come to terms that the game is soon to be over. The Zionist project and the Israeli state is in a state of moral bankruptcy.”

The foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 will one day be seen, I believe, as one of history’s most tragic mistakes. We witness the bitter consequences now. We have witnessed them for the last sixty-two years. Is it too late to reverse this catastrophic error of history?
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147 Comments to "Israel’s Latest War Crime: Peace flotilla attacked bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza"

  1. Herman King's Gravatar Herman King
    November 3, 2011 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    @Historysbunkbunkbunk:
    You would think so.

  2. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 14, 2010 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Hi Naseer (MFA),

    So nice to hear from you again. I hope you are keeping well and have recovered from your accident. The world needs healing and I guess you know better than most people do how this is to be achieved in the days ahead.

    In regard to the poetry, I am hoping my sister (Lucy Skipping aka ‘Lalara’) will get round to setting up a poetry website for us soon. She has undertaken to do this, but is exceptionally lazy! Guess what, Naseer? Both lobro and Grettir have recently made posts on this site. Homer has also been in touch once or twice. It`s a small world…

    Kind regards and blessings,

    Xanadu

  3. June 12, 2010 - 9:26 am | Permalink

    Count me as a fan of yours too, eurodel, after reading your comment here http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2068&cpage=3#comment-9715
    It appears to me that this micromanaging of society through means of ‘implicit psychological persuasion’ has gone from the subtle phase of Edward Bernays to the overt in your face sight of an American President reading a script straight from his er, handlers regarding the attack on the Gaza flotilla, Iran’s nuclear activities, inability to declare a national emergency on the Gulf Coast, and bringing Big Finance to heel.

  4. June 12, 2010 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    Thank you for your article, Lasha. Nice to see your niche is found :)
    Any poetry written?

  5. Anna's Gravatar Anna
    June 8, 2010 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    Some of the people speaking here seem to believe that there is some kind of Jewish conspiracy going on in the states. It’s true that many Jews in America occupy high positions in various fields, including politics, medicine, education, business, etc. Is there something wrong with doing your best and having a good job? My family is Jewish–my mom is a pianist, my aunt a doctor, my uncle helps build roads in third world countries, my great uncle is a writer, his son a physicist, there are also accountants, teachers, day care providers, etc.. I feel like the anti-Israel sentiment here is so intimately tied up with anti-Jewish sentiment in the US.
    I am trying to understand both sides as I make my way through a very polarized debate. Most of my family is very pro-Israel and can’t see the other side, other people are hateful to Israel and want to see it wiped off the face of the earth. there are also some in the middle. but i guess what i want to say is, the people on both extremes, these declarations are only contributing to the immense negative feelings on both sides. noone can be as horrible as both sides paint the others to be. just putting that out there.

  6. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 5, 2010 - 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Tut tut, this is no way to conduct a civilized debate! Gentlemen of such enormous erudition, mathematical as well as metaphysical, ought to know better than to indulge in such swashbuckling rapier thrusts that leave the blood-bespattered spectator appalled.

    Grettir, what on earth are you talking about? Know well that Eurodele is our numero uno poster here, a commentator of such vast intellectual accomplishments that your comment about “fuzzy vagaries” (sic) is perhaps a trifle ill-judged. The Axman still cometh, huh?

    Eurodele, allow me to explain that Grettir is essentially a poet, a wit and a prankster, though his academic qualifications are not to be sneezed at. I believe he is a member of the Canadian intellegentsia — if Canada can be said to have an intellegentsia, which I tend to doubt! :)

    Grettir can be pretty lucid when he writes poetry. When he tries his hand at prose, however, he can be as incomprehensibe as Lacan and Derrida on a bad day! I think he tries to be.

    Grettir, greetings! Nice to see you back in harness, dear boy. I hope your health has improved since the xynmphora days…? I was seriously worried for you at one stage.

    Take care and God bless.

    Xanadu

  7. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 5, 2010 - 8:47 am | Permalink

    dc/grettir: “I apologize for annoying you, and I apologize to everyone for going so far off topic. I am unapologetic in insisting on the virtues of clarity and precision. (Except of course when drunk.”

    Apology accepted.

    By the way, may I suggest that you read up on something called the Duhem-Quine thesis, to which implicit reference was made? The Duhem-Quine thesis is a problem which is often considered to reside within the philosophy of science, but the logical dimension of which is properly subsumed under the heading of “model theory” in the sense I described.

    “There is absolutely nothing in the mathematics that will support your remarks to Xanadu, which, with all due respect, read like an attempt to gain authority for warm fuzzy vagaries. In your latest note you seem to me to be continuing in the same way: what an “ideally formal theory” might be, god only knows.”

    Interesting – that’s exactly what I would have said about your own comments had I been rude (and ignorant) enough to do so. Now, there’s a bit of symmetry for you.

    BTW, an “ideally formal theory” is (obviously) a formalized theory. Ideally, we want to formalize an informally-expressed theory before mapping it into its universe, i.e., before constructing a model for it. That way, it can be subjected to some amount of logical analysis.

    Try reading a couple of those books you mentioned…it might help.

  8. dc's Gravatar dc
    June 5, 2010 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    ad eurodele
    Model theory is a branch of mathematics as I presume you know. There are good introductions in Chang and Keisler, Bell and Slomson, Barwise, and surely a host of newer books. My contact comes through nonstandard analysis.
    Here is the point. There is absolutely nothing in the mathematics that will support your remarks to Xanadu, which, with all due respect, read like an attempt to gain authority for warm fuzzy vagaries. In your latest note you seem to me to be continuing in the same way: what an “ideally formal theory” might be, god only knows.
    I apologize for annoying you, and I apologize to everyone for going so far off topic. I am unapologetic in insisting on the virtues of clarity and precision. (Except of course when drunk. :-) )

    grettir

  9. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 5, 2010 - 6:51 am | Permalink

    dc/gret: “One of your interlocuters made a reference to “model theory” demonstrating his complete ignorance of same. Pity, he was quite well reasoned otherwise.”

    Hmm … a rather strange comment, given its casual tone of authority.

    Perhaps I should explain what I mean by “model” and “model theory”. A model is a valid interpretation of a theory, and interpretation is a mapping whose domain and codomain are a theory and its universe respectively. Therefore, model theory, in the logical sense, is the study of true (syntactically and semantically consistent) interpretative mappings with domain the set of (ideally formal) theories and codomain the set of universes thereof.

    Perhaps you had another kind of “model theory” in mind?

  10. dc's Gravatar dc
    June 5, 2010 - 2:19 am | Permalink

    ad Xanadu:

    re the Rothschilds, you can find on line a hugely entertaining and short book (or I can mail a pdf) : Vial, Le Juif Roi: comment le detroner. Note well the publication date of 1899 (think Russia + first Zionist conferences)

    One of your interlocuters made a reference to “model theory” demonstrating his complete ignorance of same. Pity, he was quite well reasoned otherwise.

    gret

  11. born agin' redneck's Gravatar born agin' redneck
    June 4, 2010 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    Is Atzmon racist? No? Then he’s anti-white.

    And that’s all I need to know.

    Why should I read or care about Jews complaining about Jews OVER THERE?

    Don’t we WANT them to be someplace ELSE?

  12. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 4, 2010 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    Xanadu,

    The Rothschilds’ pile – see what a little insider trading can lead to? Little wonder they’ve all done it at every opportunity ever since.

    Some of Les Visible’s writings are among the most inspiring I’ve read. That it was your article, The Plot Against Art which lead him to post your poem and refer his readers to the article, does not surprise me. Back in September I printed it in its entirety, illustrations and all, and gave a copy to a painter (traditional) friend of mine; he was very impressed.

    Your poem reminds me of my desire for Truth.

    Regards.

  13. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 4, 2010 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    Andrew: “You have a very cohesive theory, which is very well argued. Perhaps I am just thick-headed, but I just find many parts of it difficult to accept.”

    You still seem to be choking on the idea – and I don’t know where you got it – that the Rothschilds are micro-managing every detail of the lives of their confederates and beneficiaries.

    Such micro-management is hardly necessary. In fact, it would be extremely unwise to rely on explicit psychological mechanisms in a network of global extent. Thus, we’re not talking about Rothschild manipulation alone, but a synergistic combination of manipulation and implicit psychology.

    The Rothschilds and their captains need merely select most of their beneficiaries for certain traits and beliefs which tend to make them predictable regarding certain key issues…traits like greed, loyalty, and responsiveness to threats and blandishments, and beliefs like Zionism. Regarding other issues, “independence” is not necessarily a problem.

    Rothschild beneficiaries circulate in rarified strata where they participate in various social rituals ranging from back-room chats to black-tie soirees for certain favored causes featuring talented and “right-minded” speakers. In all of these rituals, certain correct attitudes are strongly reinforced. Everyone understands the potential price attached to inadequate respect and enthusiasm for these attitudes, let alone for failing to make the choices they require … e.g., social ostracism, the undying enmity of people whom no one can afford to alienate, even assassination made to look like suicide. People like Murdoch and Redstone, steeped as they are in corporate culture, understand this implicitly. If they did not, they would not be where they are.

    (I don’t know how familiar you are with corporate culture. When I worked in that world, I found that implicit cues are very important; at higher levels, employees are tacitly expected to be in near-telepathic contact with the boss. This reliance on implicit communication takes a certain talent. Those who have this talent in abundance tend to enjoy a strong selection effect and move up the ladder, while those who do not tend to hit a ceiling. Above a certain level, everyone understands this, and nobody argues with it. This tends to result in a stable “equilibrium state” reminiscent of a Vulcan mind-meld, with everybody thinking pretty much the same way to an amazing level of detail. Meanwhile, many lower-echelon employees are scratching their heads and wondering why they haven’t gotten the raise they were expecting.)

    You write that “It cannot be easy to hide US$10+ Trillion. There is also no money trail of expenditures that hints at such a fortune.”

    Money is power. Like it or not, that includes the power to conceal money. Take into account the obvious danger of being seen to possess and abuse an extremely large fortune in a world where most people languish in relative misery, and you will quickly understand that from the Rothschild’s viewpoint, financial and political disclosure is not a rational option.

    Regarding the Rothschilds’ lack of conspicuous consumption, they are not the Beverly Hillbillies. A certain amount of discipline and false modesty is required of them, and they are trained from birth in the maintenance of appearances. However, as we can see by clicking on one of the above links, they do live in palaces – settings so opulent that most of us can only dream of them – and want for absolutely nothing. Their needs and desires are addressed quietly and without question. Nobody calls the press; nobody flashes his or her new possessions to the peasants through the palace windows; nobody sends Jimmy Brown the newsboy running down the street yelling “Read all about it! Baby Rothschild Gets Solid Gold Rolls Royce for Second Birthday!”

    Things are handled much more tastefully and discreetly than that…not only by the Rothschilds, but also by their hereditary clients, our very own stick-up-the-rear European royals and nobles (from whom the Rothschilds learned some of their tricks). That’s just the way things are in the top stratum of society. If a young spoiled brat acts out like little Paris Hilton, he/she is usually brought to heel in short order, and everything resumes its normal calm and unruffled appearance. (Paris Hilton herself is out of control, but she’s also a brainless airhead who knows next to nothing and is thus of no particular danger to her smarter and saner peers.)

    My advice: stop relying on appearances and your unschooled intuitions; you are not of the Rothschild’s ilk and obviously have not learned to think as they do. Otherwise, you will never achieve an understanding of the highly improbable world around you, in which a small handful of filthy-rich Jews and their supporters enjoy levels of wealth, power, and sheer “good fortune” far beyond the bounds of honesty and chance.

  14. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 4, 2010 - 6:31 am | Permalink

    Historysbunkbunkbunk says:
    June 4, 2010 at 2:08 AM

    Xanadu,

    This may also interest you.

    http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2010/06/hammer-of-heaven-and-synagogue-of-satan.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    History,

    Thanks for this link. Yes, it’s interesting. Doubly so in that I happen to know Les Visible. Not personally of course, but we have corresponded a few times. I once sent him a poem to thank him for something and he surprised me by publishing it on his website.

    http://visible-stream-of-consciousness.blogspot.com/2009/09/monkey-on-your-back.html

  15. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 4, 2010 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    Where the Rothschilds live

    I once met an old man whose job it was to clean the windows here. He is busy writing his memoirs now —“What I Saw Behind the Windows.” One day he saw a naked young woman of aristocratic mien climb into a bath filled with hundreds of bottles of vintage champagne. Three maidservants stood by with scrubbing brushes, loofahs and bath towels to assist Madame in her ablutions! No kidding.

    http://www.ruddicktours.com/Tour%20Pics%202/the%20Rothschilds%20lived%20here.jpg

  16. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 4, 2010 - 2:08 am | Permalink
  17. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 4, 2010 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    Yes, Xanadu, I believe Dr Griffin is a man who does his research. Also, a man with the courage of his convictions; something sadly lacking in the West in this day and age, I would say.

    Gets me thinking about the terrorist butcher Ariel Sharon’s quote you mentioned: “Cut off their testicles!” when he directed his IDF fellow terrorists in dealing with Palestinian protesters. That mirrors the psychological emasculation his co-tribalists have inflicted on Western males through their TOTAL death grip on all our sources of information and education – and governments – in the West. Their subversion of the American fundi-Christians has also played a part, I think (take a bow Hagee & Co.). No, Bucky, it’s definitely not manly to travel to foreign lands in the Middle East and torture, rape, irradiate and murder women and children for Israel. Sorry.

    Why are we over there murdering women and children? Why, 9/11 of course. You remember 9/11 – Three skyscrapers that self-demolished at free-fall speed into concrete powder and conveniently pre-cut truck size lengths of steel, and the miraculous ‘dematerializing into sub-atomic particles’ jet planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville?

    I cannot speak highly enough of The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7 by Dr Griffin. I passed my copy along to a friend who, like the rest of the West, had the usual Degree in History courtesy of the Hollywood/Television Axis of Evil. Once he had finished the book I gave him the link to the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth website, and links to videos which show (close up and in slow motion) the demolition sequences of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2 and 7, such as this one – http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidSChandler

    I am pleased to report that my friend has now recovered from the “Don’t Believe What Your Lying Eyes Are Seeing” propaganda put out by the talmudist supremacists in control of our “culture” and to say his world view has changed would be an understatement. LOL. He is currently dealing with the cognitive dissonance the awakening process creates in a person.

    It’s true what the quote attributed to Henry Ford says: History IS Bunk. Devote enough time and energy to researching the suppressed Truth and you come to the realization that most of what we believe in the West is a lie. I think that bodes ill for our future.

    I outright flunked Political Correctness 101 long ago. Not taking summer school remedial classes either, so there’s no hope of me ever being accepted into “po-lite” company, huh. I’ll struggle along somehow.

    “As to questioning the official version of the Holocaust itself, that is absolutely and totally out of bounds in the Czech Republic even on internet blogs. Do that and you end up behind bars.”

    You are aware of my position on the factuality of the holey holocaust. I think at last count there are now 14 Western so-called democracies which imprison people for years for the thought crime of questioning aspects of that historical event (and the lawyers who attempt to defend them with the truth in court – such as Sylvia Stolz, now doing 3 years). How long before “9/11 Questioning” becomes the second thought crime punishable in the West by imprisonment?

    Really, it is the imprisonment-for-asking-questions factor which tells any thinking person all they need to know. Unfortunately, the thinking person is an endangered species in the West.

    Researching the suppressed truths of the laughably titled “Russian” revolution demonstrates how history is repeating itself. Who funded it, fomented it, murdered the Czar and his wife and children, directed the slaughter of millions of Christians, destroyed thousands of Christian churches while leaving synagogues untouched, outlawed speaking ill of jews upon pain of death, etc. Worth noting too, Lasha, among the first people they lined up in front of their firing squads were the Russian intellectuals.

    “I point this out merely to show that there is more freedom of speech on the internet in America than there is in Europe…though there are ominous signs that this may not last very long.”

    The uncensored internet has proven to be very inconvenient for them. Just imagine how annoying it must be to have spent billions of their ill-gotten gains getting control of our minds (and governments) over the past century only to have the internet pop up and allow us to access – and freely share among ourselves – so many long-suppressed Truths. Oooops. Must be quite unsettling for the history twisters and their useful idiot servants.

    They have done their best to buy up everything available on the net, YouTube being just one example (not difficult considering they are the ones printing all our funny money) so they can continue controlling and suppressing the Truth, but that isn’t quite enough, of course. They also need their sock puppets masquerading as our elected representatives to enact legislation requiring censorship of all Truth-revealing websites (goodbye Occidental Observer).

    Will we the sheeple stand up and demand access to the uncensored internet be maintained? If one looks at we the sheeples’ past record in defending our real freedoms from these tyrants, that does not seem likely.

    Regards,
    History REALLY Is Bunk.

  18. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 3, 2010 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Andrew

    Doubtless there are wealthy and powerful people that desire to create a one world government, but surely if they had succeeded, they would have created something better than this incredibly haphazard situation, a world state of affairs that to me resembles more of a steaming, nut-filled log floating lazily in the crapper than whatever New World Order the Rothschilds might envision. Maybe its a work in progress though.

    The Peter Principle is the principle that “in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.”

    Has anyone ever read the Rockefeller memoirs? His grandiose vision vs. the modern reality is a perfect illustration of WASPs rising to the level of their incompetence, hence, our current situation. He ate his own dogfood, and choked on it. Even a legend like JP Morgan didn’t see the Great Depression coming in time to save his reputation.

  19. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    June 3, 2010 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Junk food & junk entertainment – yes, indeed. And their big helper – junk medicine. Feeling sick? Feeling unhappy? Cover it up with these little pills! Now, see how good you feel? Get back to your porno & nyggerball!

  20. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    June 3, 2010 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    @Eurodele,
    You have a very cohesive theory, which is very well argued. Perhaps I am just thick-headed, but I just find many parts of it difficult to accept. I will just list a few:
    1) You believe that Rupert Murdoch, Pinchy Sulzberger, Sumner Redstone and the other media barons are not independent actors, but actually Rothschild agents. Its hard to believe these seemingly independent-minded people under the thumb of someone else. They legally own their media properties, and could sell them tomorrow and walk away with huge fortunes without their Rothschild handlers being able to stop them. Of course, these are only the media tentacles, the actual people in top positions that would be needed in such an organization (managers, accountants, politicians, etc.) would be legion. In my world, people have trouble always following orders, its especially hard for them to keep secrets, and they have explosive disagreements and sour grapes. The CIA has never been able to keep its major operations a secret in the past, and defectors/spies are commonplace in the intelligence world (why not for the Rothschilds?).
    2) You believe that the Rothschilds themselves, seemingly normal mild-mannered rich scions in interviews are actually megalomaniac puppet masters. But how were they turned into such? Everyone enters the world a naked innocent baby, and it would take quite an education program to indoctrinate a person in the manner that you suggest. They all went to extremely liberal elite private schools universities, imbibing liberal ideas for decades. How could this not have a major effect on them, dramatically coloring their world and shaping them like it does for everyone else? Is there some parallel education program for world masters that they attend as well?
    3) I have not been able to find any credible source that lists actual property/assets owned by the Rothschilds that adds up to the trillions that you suggest (I am assuming you are suggesting 10-100 Trillion or more in assets). The only thing I have seen is noting that the Rothschilds owned about US$6B in 1850, which would be worth trillions today if compounded yearly at a certain rate of interest (what investments were employed to hold such vast sums are left unmentioned). Where is all of this dough? It cannot be easy to hide US$10+ Trillion. There is also no money trail of expenditures that hints at such a fortune.

    It may be that I have difficulty conceptualizing really large entities, or that I am missing something very important in my analysis. Clearly there are some rich Rothschilds, but their wealth appears to be in the Billions range. Doubtless there are wealthy and powerful people that desire to create a one world government, but surely if they had succeeded, they would have created something better than this incredibly haphazard situation, a world state of affairs that to me resembles more of a steaming, nut-filled log floating lazily in the crapper than whatever New World Order the Rothschilds might envision. Maybe its a work in progress though.

  21. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 3, 2010 - 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Lasha, two points:

    First I’m your number one fan and don’t disagree with anything you have written on this subject (except that “Bilderberger” is a proper name; the hotel that the annual conference was first held in).

    Second, “mystical connotations” *is* exactly the problem. It’s like the Kabbalistic literature. Jews were not allowed to criticize the ruling powers openly, so they used code. Over time, a lot of specific details were lost, and people read the texts and came up with “mystical” and religious interpretations, missing the entire point.

    “Conspiracy theories” at least in 20th century Europe and America, are a form of coded samizdat that are a unique and precious gift from our past. If taken in any sort of literal way, it’s nonsense. There is no “secret code” that gives hidden knowledge. Instead, it’s an echo from previous struggles. “Lizard” is a good smear term for certain types of people.

    This whole conversation reminds me of Monty Python:

    Spectator I: I think it was “Blessed are the cheesemakers”.

    Mrs. Gregory: Aha, what’s so special about the cheesemakers?

    Gregory: Well, obviously it’s not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

    :)

    So I agree – let’s drop the terms “Illuminati” “Elders of Zion” and the like and start using the proper terminology, to wit (all from wikipedia):

    N M Rothschild & Sons
    Maiden Lane LLC
    Bilderberg Group
    Council on Foreign Relations
    AIPAC
    Board of Deputies of British Jews
    Federal Reserve Bank of New York

    etc. ;)

  22. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 3, 2010 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Eurodele & Amused Euro,

    I don’t disagree with anything either of you say. I simply lay the emphasis elsewhere.

    In no way do I disparage or underestimate the power of the Rothschilds. I see “organized Jewry” as a pyramid and the Rothschilds as the apex of that pyramid.

    If I dislike the term “Illuminati”, it’s because it has taken on occult and semi-mystical connotations. For example, we keep hearing of satanism and ritualized child abuse and so on. All this is smoke and mirrors. Needless sensationalism.

    Basically, we have men striving for power. Most of them happen to be elite and fabulously wealthy Jews, i.e., organized Jewry. Their elite WASP buddies are allowed to join the club and become fringe members provided they share the same values and pull in the same direction. The “Elders of Zion”, if we’re allowed to use this taboo term for a moment, call the shots, and the Shabbat goy members of the extended family (or club) are expected to sign on to Zionism as part of their “membership fee”.

    Taken together, the elite Jews and the non-Jews who constitute this conspiratorial club are currently called the “Illuminati”. I guess they have to be called something. I dislike the term because of its occult connotations and would prefer something less glamorous.

    As for the term “Bilderbergers”, this is surely a redundant term. It’s just a synonym for the Illuminati when they meet up for one of their periodic gabfests.

    Let’s talk simple. Like we’re trying to explain this to children. What do we have? We have TOP JEWS and TOP NON-JEWS. They form a sort of elite conspirators’ club, their object being to boss everyone else around and form a One World Government in which they remain the supreme masters and everyone else is reduced to the level of slaves or automata.

    The two bedrock principles here are Zionism and Mammonite liberalism. The former term needs no definition. Zionism is necessary because the Top Jews need a world headquarters, and they have opted for Eretz-Israel. Jerusalem, according to Israel Shamir, is to be their capital — and it is from here they will issue their directives.

    “Mammonite liberalism”: what does this mean? It means, first and foremost, the destruction of Christianity and Islam (and of the religious world view in general) and the adoption in their place of an atheistic hedonism devoid of all moral values. Moral relativism, iconoclasm, the dumbing down of education, the attack on the nuclear family, sexual promiscuity, nihilism — these all parts of the preposterous package deal.

    The Ancient Roman exercised control over their dissolute masses by laying on panem et circenses — i.e., “bread and games”. To keep the masses reasonably happy, you need to feed them and entertain them.

    The modern equivalent is junk food and junk entertainment: Big Macs and Hollywood violence and internet porn. This will keep the masses docile and demoralize them thoroughly — so that they don’t get too big for their boots and start thinking about mounting a revolution. Populations enervated by sex have no energy left for anything else, sex being its own addiction.

    Finally, democracy can be relied upon to con the masses into believing they voted for their own servitude: for no matter who they vote for, they end up with the same tryranical Masters. Beautiful, isn’t it?

    This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.

  23. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 3, 2010 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Xanadu, agree it’s often a cop-out. But consider the admittedly nutty writer David Icke. He says “lizard people” control the world. He’s been virtually banned in Canada because they contend that “lizard people” is a code word for “International Jew” – which it probably is.

    “Illuminati Hold Annual Conference”

    In the late 1990s, the Canadian mainstream press outed the Bilderbergers when they were in Toronto for a meeting. It was most likely the first time the word “Bilderberger” appeared in a major daily newspaper. I had heard about them years before but assumed it was a “conspiracy theory” – just up until it wasn’t.

    Here’s a fun experiment – talk to the average American about the Federal Reserve and how it creates “money out of thin air” (their terminology btw). Unless they are a Ron Paul fan, they’ll dismiss you as a “conspiracy theorist” – even while Bernake is giving testimony to Congress on CSPAN in the background.

    “Top Illuminatus blows lid on World Conspiracy: Obama a Zionist Puppet About to Unleash Armageddon!”

    Will you take “Joe Biden: I am a Zionist”?

    :)

  24. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 3, 2010 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Whoops…I see that Xanadu is Dr. Darkmoon herself.

    First, let me congratulate you, Dr. Darkmoon, on a fine sequence of articles, which I have greatly enjoyed reading. I hope to read many more.

    However, judging from your responses above, it seems that I may have been guilty of a failure to communicate. I hope you won’t count it a mark of disrespect if I try to briefly address several of your comments.

    Xanadu: “I agree with Andrew’s assessment here. Why point to the Rothschilds as an explanation for the power of the Jews when a simpler explanation will do, i.e., the Jews themselves. (More precisely, organized Jewry).”

    The short answer is that there are not enough Jews in the world to have taken it over as completely as they have, in as short a time as it has taken them since they were last perceived to be relatively impotent, through the forces of evolutionary psychology alone. An accelerant was clearly used: the covert political power that comes only with global economic domination. In other words, Jewish evolutionary psychology has been “spiked” and used as a tool for even more potent interests.

    To some extent, this is a matter of history. In the absence of contravening data, I’m simply extrapolating from known events.

    Xanadu: “Andrew is simply applying the philosophical principle of Occam’s razor: “Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.” (Entities should not be needlessly multiplied).”

    Occam’s razor is often misunderstood to favor theories that are not really explanatory of the phenomena to which they are applied. Again, the phenomenon we are discussing is this: a tiny handful of Jews, from a position of relative powerlessness two centuries ago, have since managed to all but clear the world stage of coherent opposition to their interests.

    This is a very great departure from the previous 2000 years of Jewish history, and we are required to ask why it occurred.

    “Evolutionary psychology” is not a very good answer, because it has been operating all along at the same intensity, and nothing like the present situation has ever arisen before. Thus, the explanatory theory actually favored by Occam’s razor must minimally explain how these forces were amplified over the last two centuries.

    It turns out that just one sentence will do: “The self-interest of those in charge of the international banking system, who have an historically established and ongoing penchant for secrecy and manipulation, has been active at critical junctures and has constructively interfered with that of the Jews.”

    Xanadu: “Newton was to endorse this universal principle later on when he said, “We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are true and sufficient to explain their appearances.”

    But then we discovered that Newton’s own concept of physical explanation had not gone quite far enough; it had relied on Euclidean/Cartesian geometry instead of (the more general) differential geometry, and therefore eventually encountered a crisis involving Maxwell’s equations of the electromagnetic field (and a certain amount of empirical data).

    To be fair to the unparalleled genius of Newton, differential geometry had not yet been discovered in his day. But when it was, certain explanatory upgrades were found to be in order.

    Similarly, in light of current knowledge regarding recent economic and political history, explanatory upgrades are in order regarding certain problematical currents in economic and political causation.

    Xanadu: “…Which sometimes makes me wonder if this systematic attempt by certain writers to blame the Illuminatii, the Freemasons and the Bilderbergers for everything that goes wrong in the world is not a red herring — a distraction deliberately intended to deflect attention from the usual suspects: i.e., organized Jewry.”

    Make no mistake about it: organized Jewry, driven by the forces of evolutionary psychology, is still among the prime suspects. But the Rothschilds are Jews, they have been conspicuously and decisively active in the recent history of organized Jewry, and no valid theory explaining the otherwise inexplicable acceleration of certain recent economic and political trends can credibly omit them.

    Xanadu: “This constant invoking of nebulous entities to explain why the world is in crisis seems a bit suspicious to me. You might as well start blaming extraterrestrials for all the world’s ills.” (…) It’s just that I notice in certain writers like Alex Jones and Henry Makow an unfortunate tendency to blame the “Illuminati” for just about everything. Most ordinary people don’t have a clue who the Illuminati are. They don’t see the Illiminati on TV or read about them in their newspapers, do they? Mentioning the Illuminati as the hidden force behind every evil under the sun does seem to me a bit of a cop-out.”

    With all due respect, it is even more suspicious, and more of a cop-out, when people insist that what we accept as the most credible explanation for the current Jewish problem must, at all costs, omit known players of the magnitude of the Rothschilds.

    I do understand that there are quite a few incredible “conspiracy theories” out there, some involving the Rothschilds, and that people like Jones and Makow may have overplayed some of them, thus arousing general distrust. But when all is said and done, that’s not a valid theoretical evaluation criterion.

    By the way, are you familiar with the branch of logic known as model theory? In model theory, we often find that various apparently disparate explanatory theories are completely equivalent with respect to observation; thus, a unique correct theory cannot be determined by empirical testing alone (or any observation statement based thereon).

    Interestingly, thanks largely to Rothschild secrecy, this applies to the pair of theories which respectively say that our problems are due to hostile space aliens, and that they are due to the Rothschilds.

    However, this says less about the innate credibility of either theory than it does about how we might choose to interpret the behavior, motives, and psychology of the Rothschilds.

    Xanadu: “I’d like to see an actual headline in a newspaper that says, “Illuminati Hold Annual Conference.” Or a photo of some recognizable Illuminatus with the caption: “Top Illuminatus blows lid on World Conspiracy: Obama a Zionist Puppet About to Unleash Armageddon!”

    I’d like to see that too. But unfortunately, this headline is no more likely than “Head of CIA Admits to Five Decades of Secret Conspiracies Damaging to US Allies”. The reasons are twofold:

    (1) The conspirators are explicitly bound by secrecy, and being highly self-interested and dependent on secrecy for the success of all of their business dealings, they take secrecy very much to heart. Anyone who doesn’t is at most one of their minions, not a full-fledged conspirator.

    (2) The conspirators own and control the mainstream media.

    I do understand where you’re coming from, Lasha. I once had the same reservations. But facts are facts, and like Ezra Pound himself, I’m not afraid to invoke the name “Rothschild” when attempting to explain our dismal plight.

    Neither should you be.

  25. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 3, 2010 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    Good grief.

    Andrew, why do people like you have no problem thinking that the natural tendencies of Blacks and Hispanics are being manipulated by Jews against Whites – that, apparently, is pure evolutionary psychology – and yet disbelieve that Jews are being similarly manipulated by well-timed, well-targeted infusions of cash from intensely self-interested parties, international bankers, to well-funded, well-publicized operatives in AIPAC and other front organizations?

    It makes no sense to accept one and then choke on the other. In fact, it makes even less, given that Jews respond to money and Zionism even better than Blacks and Hispanics respond to Jewish rabble-rousing. After all, the average Black or Hispanic distrusts and dislikes Jews, but the average Jew swallows Zionist pap by the gallon and will french-kiss a fistful of cash even if it smells like fresh dog poo.

    Similarly, I don’t quite know what to say to someone capable of referring to

    “the US Government, which appears to be pushed by primarily Jewish organizations such as AIPAC, who also receive their funding from traceable sources, none of which can be traced to a Rothschild super-fortune”

    while ignoring the incontrovertible historical fact that the Rothschild money and political pressure were responsible for the very foundation of Israel, which is the “I” in AIPAC, and the well-known fact that Rothschild money and power have been in stealth mode for centuries. (Why are they in stealth mode? Because the founder of the Rothschild dynasty was smart enough to know that whereas the abuse of a huge concentration of wealth and power constitutes a dire problem in obvious need of a dire solution, a problem which cannot be recognized cannot be solved, and those who have caused it can thus remain relatively safe and secure.)

    You go on: “To suggest that these tens of thousands of individuals are being controlled by an unseen hand is contrary to what we know about human nature. To suggest that these tens of thousands of individuals are being controlled by an unseen hand is contrary to what we know about human nature. Most people are not automatons that can be ordered about and keep it quiet.”

    Try to keep your eye on the ball here, Andrew. The vast majority of Jews don’t know they’re being controlled; they’re being covertly manipulated (their egos are being stroked and their cupidity is being expertly titillated). They fund exactly what their manipulators want them to fund. Just like Blacks and Hispanics are being covertly manipulated, and do what their manipulators want them to do.

    “I think a better explanation than the Rothschilds is the standard theory, which holds that very well-funded organizations (receiving funds largely from wealthy individual Jews, which there is no shortage of).”

    Haven’t you ever wondered why there are so many “wealthy individual Jews”? Regardless of anyone’s opinions on Jewish financial acumen and Whites’ lack thereof, could it possibly be that these Zionists, who wear their racism on their sleeves, initially had access to very large amounts of credit – the millions or billions of dollars needed to obtain controlling interests in large corporations – and the connections through which that kind of credit can alone be accessed?

    Why, yes. This must in fact have been the case. But then wouldn’t these rich Jews have had to get all that credit from banks, which are ultimately controlled by the international banking establishment, which is controlled by…you guessed it, the Rothschilds, who knew exactly how these Zionists were likely to spend their money, which is still leveraged by…you guessed it again, the Rothschilds?

    It doesn’t take a genius to follow the money trail. Notwithstanding all the subterfuge, it all leads straight back to the Rothschilds. Why? Because the Rothschilds have controlled the international fractional-reserve banking system, and the fiat money of almost every nation, for a couple of centuries now – that much is common knowledge despite what you say – and this means that they control the money, period. Jews, in turn, are notoriously susceptible to monetary control.

    So where’s the confusion? Why are people like you forever trying to minimize the involvement of the Rothschilds, some of history’s most pathological control freaks, in the uses to which their money is put, many of which were perfectly predictable to them (and everyone else) from the start?

    Finally, you say “Speaking as someone who is interested in understanding the way the world works, but with just the layperson’s access to information, the Rothschild theory overall seems much less likely to be an explanation for our current state of affairs than the standard theory.”

    The problem, Andrew, is that you don’t have a “standard theory” aside from “I can’t find out the extent of Rothschild wealth, most people stupidly fritter away their money, human activity is pretty much random in the large, and let’s not forget about ‘human nature’ (whatever one’s conception of that might be)!”

    This is not what most of us would call a “theory”. It’s just your personal admission that you can’t figure out what’s going on. If that were the end of it, then perhaps no harm would be done. But the “theory”, if we may call it that, which says that everything in the world can be moving rapidly in the specific direction of a locked-down international banking tyranny whose Zionist leaders cannot be inculpated or even identified for fear of committing the unspeakable crime of “anti-Semitism” without any help whatsoever from the unseen hand of those very international bankers, is positively batty.

    My advice: sit on it for a while and think even harder than you already have. Meanwhile, let those who can add 2 and 2 do what they have to do in light of the well-known facts preceding and surrounding our current plight (unless, of course, you are a committed Jewish apologist determined to help people like the Rothschilds continue to cover millions of miles of their foot-deep uranium-green tracks throughout the world).

  26. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 3, 2010 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    AmusedEuro says:
    June 3, 2010 at 8:29 AM

    AmusedEuro,

    I concede your point. You could well be right. Please note I did say: “I could be wrong about this — it’s just a thought.”

    It’s just that I notice in certain writers like Alex Jones and Henry Makow an unfortunate tendency to blame the “Illuminati” for just about everything. Most ordinary people don’t have a clue who the Illuminati are. They don’t see the Illiminati on TV or read about them in their newspapers, do they?

    Mentioning the Illuminati as the hidden force behind every evil under the sun does seem to me a bit of a cop-out.

    I’d like to see an actual headline in a newspaper that says, “Illuminati Hold Annual Conference.” Or a photo of some recognizable Illuminatus with the caption: “Top Illuminatus blows lid on World Conspiracy: Obama a Zionist Puppet About to Unleash Armageddon!” :)

    I’ve yet to see anything like this, AmusedEuro. I concede your point, but with some reluctance and not without mental reservations.

  27. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 3, 2010 - 8:36 am | Permalink

    “the idea that there is a Rothschild mega fortune that controls the world is problematic.”

    It’s a basic denial of reality to say that there is *not* a Rothschild mega fortune that heavily influences the world. These are listed companies known throughout the financial world. How is it “problematic?” Are Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase “conspiracy theories” as well? Is my 401k manager lying to me?

    The sources of funding and influences, which have been documented by Dr. MacDonald, and traceable to the usual suspects, and not to an unseen hand.

    By usual suspects you mean wealthy Jewish donors? And the Rothschilds are … wealthy Jewish donors. What is the problem precisely? They *are* the usual suspects.

  28. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 3, 2010 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    Xanadu,

    “the Illuminatii, the Freemasons”

    They were undeniably the ruling class in the Protestant West for hundreds of years, waning in influence in the early 1900s. “Freemason” is basically an archaic term for “WASP elite.”

    “the Bilderbergers” – is an annual meeting of the leaders of the West, and basically *is* “Organized Jewry” plus accomplices. How is that not Occam’s Razor? Why is it even a “conspiracy theory” it’s accepted history?

    “Conspiracy theory” is a propaganda term used to discredit ideas the ruling class does not want discussed. Saying “Bush knew” about 911 before it happened was a “conspiracy theory” – until it was published on the cover of the New York Post. And you talking about “extraterrestrials” is literally doing their work for them.

    You are right about conspiracy theories targeting “the Jesuits” though, these are actually spread by Jews as sort of a counter-anti-semite conspiracy theory.

    Chomsky has a term “institutional analysis” that is useful, but it’s really just the academic, non-populist version of “conspiracy theory.”

    I’d also point out that saying “Jews run Hollywood and the banks” is *always* criticized as a “conspiracy theory” even though it’s undeniably true.

    As for the Rothschilds, I mean, the various companies have their own websites. You can read about them in the Wall Street Journal. So does the CFR. Why is it illegitimate to talk about them?

  29. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 3, 2010 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    Historysbunkbunkbunk says:
    June 2, 2010 at 9:19 PM

    “I don’t know how open minded you are, but if you have not yet read David Ray Griffin’s new book, The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7, I thoroughly recommend it to you. If you are a person capable of reading it with an open mind you will come away with an understanding you may not yet have reached.”

    History,

    Many thanks for the useful links you supply and for your interesting comments. I haven’t read Griffin’s latest book, but I did read his first one, “The New Pearl Harbor”. I remember being impressed by Griffin’s forensic skills and his remorseless logicality. Anyone who reads Griffin and fails to be swayed by his arguments has to have a closed mind.

    There are degrees of political correctness. I understand from Paul Norrland, the man who translated one of my articles into Czech, that in the Czech Republic no newspaper or television channel would dare to question the Holocaust or the official version of 9-11. All hell would break loose if they did. Press and television here, as in most Western countries, are totally under Jewish control.

    On Czech internet blogs, however, Norrland informs me, it is permissible to voice scepticism over the official version of 9-11 by suggesting that the American government might have had something to do with it — or been complicit in it. To suggest that Israel or organized Jewry had a finger in that pie is, however, much more problematic. That’s anti-Semitism. It’s tantamount to inviting a second Holocaust.

    As to questioning the official version of the Holocaust itself, that is absolutely and totally out of bounds in the Czech Republic even on internet blogs. Do that and you end up behind bars.

    When the Czech translation of The Plot Against Art was published in the Czech Republic, the editor of the website who published it was apparently taking a big risk — even though I’d made no mention of 9-11 and only a passing reference to the Holocaust.

    Without in any way denying it, I had merely pointed out that painters who churned out Holocaust paintings were extremely popular. The more chimneys belching ouit black smoke, the better. This relatively innocuouis remark was regarded as verging on the impermissible, even though Jewish painter RB Kitaj had made chimneys (belcing out black smoke) his stock in trade.

    I point this out merely to show that there is more freedom of speech on the internet in America than there is in Europe…though there are ominous signs that this may not last very long.

    My own views on the Holocaust and 9-11 are indeterminate and subject to constant revision. I leave these matters to the experts, regarding myself as an agnostic.

  30. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 3, 2010 - 7:47 am | Permalink

    Andrew says:
    June 2, 2010 at 10:41 PM

    “Speaking as someone who is interested in understanding the way the world works…the Rothschild theory overall seems much less likely to be an explanation for our current state of affairs than the standard theory.”

    I agree with Andrew’s assessment here. Why point to the Rothschilds as an explanation for the power of the Jews when a simpler explanation will do, i.e., the Jews themselves. (More precisely, organized Jewry).

    Andrew is simply applying the philosophical principle of Occam’s razor: “Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.” (Entities should not be needlessly multiplied).

    Newton was to endorse this universal principle later on when he said, “We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are true and sufficient to explain their appearances.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

    Which sometimes makes me wonder if this systematic attempt by certain writers to blame the Illuminatii, the Freemasons and the Bilderbergers for everything that goes wrong in the world is not a red herring — a distraction deliberately intended to deflect attention from the usual suspects: i.e., organized Jewry.

    I could be wrong about this — it’s just a thought.

    This constant invoking of nebulous entities to explain why the world is in crisis seems a bit suspicious to me. You might as well start blaming extraterrestrials for all the world’s ills.

  31. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    June 2, 2010 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @Eurodele,
    “Israel is a transparent corporate front, and the monetary power of its sponsor controls the world.”

    I have taken some more time to examine the Rothschild theory that you have advocated previously, and although I am speaking from the position as a layman without any deep knowlege of the Rothschilds (beyond reading information avaiable online), the idea that there is a Rothschild mega fortune that controls the world is problematic.

    One of the biggest problems with the theory is the difficulty in linking the hand of the Rothschilds to the most important events of the past several decades. The most important that I can think of was the 1965 immigration act, which eventually broke the back of Anglo Saxon America. The sources of funding and influences, which have been documented by Dr. MacDonald, and traceable to the usual suspects, and not to an unseen hand. The political operatives that were most responsible for enacting it were elected in the usual method, all their campaign donations are traceable to standard sources.

    The same is true of Israel’s influence in the US Government, which appears to be pushed by primarily Jewish organizations such as AIPAC, who also receive their funding from traceable sources, none of which can be traced to a Rothschild super-fortune. This super-fortune seems to be unecessary to explain the state of affairs of the present-day US. The campaign donations for Bush and Obama are generally accounted for, and can be traced to various legitimate organizations and special interest groups. Similarly, the ownership of media companies that play such a big part in the political process can be traced to people such as Sulzberger and Murdoch.

    To suggest that these tens of thousands of individuals are being controlled by an unseen hand is contrary to what we know about human nature. Most people are not automatons that can be ordered about and keep it quiet. The fact that there has never really been a defector willing to spill the beans about the organization should really raise an eyebrow (assuming at least a 0.5% rate of defection this is mathematically improbable if the organization has existed for many decades employing at least tens of thousands of high-level people at any one time).

    “Tell me, why else would it be the case that an ostensibly pipsqeak nation like Israel even now feels free to commit an act of war against NATO? Does anyone here have a theory for that?”

    I think a better explanation than the Rothschilds is the standard theory, which holds that very well-funded organizations (receiving funds largely from wealthy individual Jews, which there is no shortage of) have developed webs of political alliances with various and diverse groups such as fundamentalist Christians, and over a period of decades has created an extremely powerful and influential political bloc in the US government. Those who oppose it find themselves outspent in elections and out of office (such as Congressman Finley).

    “this observation utterly fails to explain why Israel always escapes the consequences of its immoral and misanthropic actions completely unscathed”

    The standard theory seems to explain this well enough, where a highly organized group of very intelligent, wealthy Jews, who are extremely ethnocentric, very concerned about their co-ethnics and fanatically loyal to Israel, have built tremendous political power in the US. As the US is currently the most influential nation, control of America’s foreign affairs by the Israel lobby places that small country in the driver’s seat in the Middle East.

    “why US politicians are completely obedient to its dictates despite the pitiful screams of a vast majority of their American constituents – I’d really like to hear it”.

    I am not sure that there is a great deal of opposition to Israel in the US, though we might wish otherwise. I will bet that half of American voters cannot point out Israel on a world map (seeing that many voters are minorities, youngish females, the elderly and/or high school dropouts). The media is strongly pro-Israel, and polls probably show disinterest by most Americans on Israel, at least compared to issues such as education and the economy. Since there is no major outcry against Israel, a standard politician will find it safer to go along with the Israel lobby, thus upsetting a minority of constituents, than endangering his office by upsetting the lobby.

    This isnt to denigrate the American public, though there are those that deserve to be denigrated, but most people have other issues that are much more prominent for them (if you are unemployed, thats going to be high on your agenda, if you have kids, then education will be). I imagine that the Chinese and Japanese dont spend much time thinking about Israel either (though most of them probably know where it is on a map).

    Speaking as someone who is interested in understanding the way the world works, but with just the layperson’s access to information, the Rothschild theory overall seems much less likely to be an explanation for our current state of affairs than the standard theory.

  32. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 2, 2010 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Lasha,

    You may find this Norman Finkelstein interview on the nuclear armed, Lunatic State of mad dog Israel, interesting.

    Regards,
    History Is Bunk.

  33. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 2, 2010 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    You’re welcome, Lasha.

    Thank you for the link.

    If one has the humanity and common decency to honestly reflect on the thousands of murders, torture, starvation (and the barbaric butchery Chomsky refers to) of innocent men, women, children and BABIES for God’s sake (witness their burning Palestinian babies alive with white phosphorous in Apartheid Israel last year) the Israelis are responsible for over the past 62 years, their genocidal actions against these innocents are completely within their mad dog character.

    Have you yet seen the videos posted online of them celebrating outside the Turkish embassy the murders on the Peace Flotilla?

    We are guilty as well, of course, as our gullibility, self-absorbed disinterest and taxes over the past 62 years have enabled them to carry out their slaughters.

    While we are on books, I snipped two large sections from that article for space considerations here at the blog (didn’t want it running from one page over to the next, although I am surprised the trolls have not yet bumped it back a page with garbage comments. Is today one of their holidays celebrating another of their historical slaughters of the innocents? They are noticeable by their absence online during them.)

    Anyway, the snips referred to the demolitions of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2 and 7 on 9/11. Leaving them in may also have confused the current issue. I don’t know how open minded you are, but if you have not yet read David Ray Griffin’s new book, The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7, I thoroughly recommend it to you.

    If you are a person capable of reading it with an open mind you will come away with an understanding you may not yet have reached.

    Regards,
    History Is Bunk.

  34. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 2, 2010 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Historysbunkbunkbunk says:
    June 2, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    History,

    Many thanks for taking the trouble to provide this usful information. I understand from a passage I read in Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle that it is Israel’s policy to present itself to the world as a “mad dog”. The Israelis apparently like to cultivate this image of slavering psychotics in order to intimidate and scare everyone.

    Ariel Sharon, “man of peace” is quoted by Chomsky as saying “Cut off their testicles!” This is an injunction to the IDF — what they were told to do to Palestinian demonstrators in the West Bank.

    See here, Chapter 4, note 111:

    https://www.amazon.com/Fateful-Triangle-Palestinians-Updated-Classics/dp/0896086011

    Xanadu / Lasha

  35. Crawler's Gravatar Crawler
    June 2, 2010 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    This article illustrates a disturbing trend among some of us. There seems to be a strong element among us that asks “What is bad for Jews?” instead of “What is good for Whites?”

    I urge everyone who is passionate about this issue to take a deep breath and realize that hostile blacks, mestizos, and sleeping whites are poised to literally wipe us off the earth. It won’t much matter who controls the tiny speck of land in the middle east then.

    “Nope, there were not that many problems between Jews and Muslims until the birth of the Zionist project.”

    Brother, this does not fit well with either Muslim scriptures or history.

  36. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 2, 2010 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Darren:
    “What does international law think of, say, Serbia? Yeah, international law isn’t exactly something I’d give moral support to.”

    International law is not perfect but it is certainly better than nothing. Without it all we are left with is a dog eat dog, might makes right sort of world. You probably believe in might makes right. I do NOT. Generally people who think that way always see themselves holding the whip. But lad, what goes around comes around… Incidentally, Serbia was victim to “might makes right”…

    “So you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist so that we can have these same people stuck in our nations, ever resentful and continuing to plot/scheme? Uhh, yeah, good idea.”

    You did not get it. All I’m saying is that the Judenfrage would probably not be solved by the creation of a Jewish homeland, even IF this could be achieved peacefully AND jews could live in total security there. A lot of Jews would still choose to stay as u put it “stuck in our nations, ever resentful and continuing to plot/scheme”.

  37. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 2, 2010 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Xanadu says: June 1, 2010 at 9:03 AM

    Historysbunkbunkbunk @ June 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM

    History,

    Can you provide a reliable source for this damning Ariel Sharon quotation?

    Many thanks.

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    Lasha,

    You will find the Israeli journalist interview source of the quote from the child-murdering terrorist Ariel Sharon within this 2002 article.

    Perhaps you will note after reading the article (and doing your research) that nothing has changed with these cold blooded murderers of defenseless innocents in 62 years. America’s great ally (pardon the sarcasm):

    Today, I want to focus on the world’s most dangerous and murderous terrorist. His name is Ariel Sharon, and he makes Osama Bin Laden look like an amateur when it comes to murder and mayhem. But first, there is a pressing matter that needs to be addressed.

    In the Palestinian refugee camp of Jenin, the stench of hundreds of rotting human bodies fills the air. Surviving mothers and fathers search through the rubble of hundreds of homes to recover the remains of their sons and daughters. And, sons and daughters wander dazed through the carnage trying to find their mothers and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers. Thousands of young men have been taken away by Israel and at this moment suffer terrible torture in Israel’s concentration camps. However, their cries of anguish and pain will not be heard by any of us.

    Even after the complete destruction of this refugee camp, even as hundreds lay injured and without food, water, electricity, even as mothers had to watch their children die slowly from their wounds, Israel would not permit any Red Cross or other relief agencies into the camp. Even the world’s press was kept out. Of course, there was only one reason for keeping out the eyes and ears of the world: Israeli war criminals had to work hard to cover up their horrendous crimes at Jenin. They wanted the world to see no pictures of those murdered and maimed.

    Strange isn’t it, that even 55 years since the end of the Second World War, the Jewish supremacists still show us almost daily the poignant pictures of Jewish bodies in Nazi concentration camps, but they are ever so anxious that world does not see the mass murdered Palestinian victims of Zionism – murders that are happening right now! Of course, they graphically show us any Israeli killed or injured by suicide bombers. But you will not see the bodies and the blood of 100 Palestinians men women and children who die for every one Israeli. You won’t see the thousands of Palestinians imprisoned and tortured by Israel. Don’t expect the Palestinian victims of Israeli torture who survive to be interviewed by the Jewish-controlled American press.

    Palestinian civilians — men, women and children — are being maimed and murdered by Israel in our own time, in our own world, many at this very moment. And the man behind this murder is none other than Ariel Sharon.

    As a loyal and patriotic American, my heart grieves at the support given by American traitors to the world’s worst mass murderer and war criminal Ariel Sharon. Sharon has killed, maimed and tortured more people than Osama Bin Laden could only fantasize about. In fact, I will present to you compelling evidence that Sharon and the Mossad aided and abetted the horrible terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. By supporting Sharon and his criminal government in Israel, American traitors have not only supported Sharon’s crimes against the Palestinian people, and have become accomplices in mass murder and torture, but they directly aided terrorists who have inflicted terrorism on America. American traitors who support Israel have damaged our most vital interests in the world and caused Americans to be hated the world over.

    If you think I am exaggerating when I say Sharon is even worse than Osama Bin Laden, please listen carefully to this broadcast, keep an open mind, and please, please check out every piece of evidence I offer here. Forget what the Jewish press says about me and focus on the evidence I offer. I will provide you the sources of everything I say here. Many of my references are themselves from major Jewish sources.

    Today I want to sketch a short history of Sharon’s 50 years of crimes against humanity, from his massacre at Kibya, through his invasion of Lebanon and his massacre at Sabre and Shatila, to his mass murder of men, women and children in the refugee camp at Jenin, Palestine. And as I said, I will offer compelling evidence of Sharon’s complicity in the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

    Sharon could be tried for any of a dozen other massacres committed during his murderous career. His crimes against humanity go back at least as far as 1953. The Israeli newspaper, Ha’aretz, recalls Sharon’s leading of a massacre in the village of Kibya in 1953. I quote from Ha’aretz, “The soldiers of Major Ariel Sharon killed 70 Palestinians in the reprisal raid, most of them women and children.”

    In Israel, the most brutal, the most extreme and bloodthirsty terrorists are always elevated to Israel’s top leadership. Even before Sharon became Prime Minister, the vicious terrorists responsible for blowing up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and the massacre at Dier Yassin — Yitshak Shamir and Menachem Begin became Israel’s prime ministers.

    The Palestinians, of course, have faced 50 years of unrelenting Israeli terror. In fact, Israel carved its state out of Palestinian land through a deliberate policy of mass terror against the Palestinians. It was the method by which they drove 800,000 of them from their homes, businesses and farms. In his book The Revolt, former Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, boasts about his role in the massacre of the 254 Palestinians at Dier Yassin. (Most of the victims were women, children and the elderly who remained in an Israeli-occupied village.)

    The International Red Cross Representative described how the Jewish terrorists actually cut the babies from the wombs of many pregnant Palestinian women. In his book Begin points out that sheer horror of the Dier Yassin and other sadistic massacres caused panic among the residents, causing them to flee in terror from their homes. This intentional mass terror enabled the Zionists to take control of Palestine.

    Sharon led the brutal invasion and occupation of Lebanon. Many consider that invasion and brutal occupation as one of the blackest marks on Israeli history, as it resulted in the death of at least 17,000 people, mostly civilians, and perhaps is best annotated by the massacre of 1,500 civilians at the Sabra and Chatila camps in Beirut. To prevent any escape, Sharon had his troops surround these Israeli built concentration camps. Sharon let in the Phalangist forces, which then proceeded to murder hundreds of men, women and children. Even the Israeli Kahan Commission found Sharon quote “personally responsible” for the massacre. All night the shooting and killing and screaming went on while Israeli troops listened gleefully to the slaughter, not raising a finger to stop it. Even after the initial slaughter, many of the men were transported to the Beirut football stadium and then murdered in cold blood by the Israeli troops.

    A Belgium court is attempting to try Sharon for his crimes against humanity in Lebanon and Sharon will not even step foot in that country for fear of arrest. Since this case has heated up there have been the deaths of three key, potential witnesses against Sharon.

    I quote from the world-renowned British journalist, Robert Fisk of the Independent.

    “Why would anyone want to car-bomb the former Lebanese Phalangist militia leader and government minister Elie Hobeika in Beirut – less than two days after he agreed to give evidence against Mr Sharon in a Belgian court, which may try the Israeli leader for the murder of up to 1,700 Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in September, 1982?”

    Even more recently, a key witness against Sharon, another Lebanese Phalangist who had command knowledge of the killings at Sabra and Chatila was gunned down along with his wife in Brazil by someone using a silenced pistol.

    In Lebanon, 17,000 civilians were killed. More than a hundred thousand homes were destroyed; at least 100,000 civilians were wounded or maimed. Even more were left homeless. Israel violated United Nations resolutions by aggressively invading and occupying Lebanon. Even the United States supported resolutions denoting Israel as violating international law and demanding Israel withdraw. The invasion and murder in Lebanon led by Sharon caused the deaths of about 6 times more people than the World Trade Center attacks and involved the deaths and maiming of thousands of more children. The Israeli bombs in Lebanon fell not just upon places of work such as the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but upon homes.

    To illustrate the incredible barbarity of this supreme terrorist, I will quote directly from an interview Sharon did with the respected Israeli Journalist, Amos Os, in 1982, which can be found in the Israeli daily Davar and can be authenticated by many other Jewish sources. When Oz interviewed Sharon, Sharon obviously directed his responses to liberal Jews in Israel, probably not dreaming it would get to the outside world.

    Here are some direct quotes from the Sharon interview.

    “Even if you’ll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don’t care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don’t care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year’s time, I don’t really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough.

    “Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don’t suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered – just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! I…Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we might start World War Three just like that!

    “If your nice civilized parents had come here in time instead of writing books about the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way to the gas chambers, …now don’t be shocked, if they instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million!

    “Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don’t care. And I don’t mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal… What you lot don’t understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.”

    Sharon made these statements in 1982 and right now in 2002 he is attempting to finish the dirty work of Zionism. Notice the attitude Sharon expresses in the interview. He endorses genocide, he threatens World War III; he is utterly ruthless and contemptuous of anyone or anything other than the Jewish people. Note that he also doesn’t care if some Jews die in the process, and hatred against Jews rises in the world. In fact that is precisely what he wants, so as to make them either support Israel more fully or emigrate to Israel. It is from this backdrop that we must begin to look into the 9-11 terrorist attacks on America.

    The Mossad has had a long history of covert terrorism and treachery against the United States. In the 1950s, Mossad agents of Israel blew up American installations in Egypt in an elaborate scheme to blame Egyptians for the terrorism against America and thus garner American support against Egypt. Fortunately for the United States and for Egypt, one of the Jewish agent’s bombs went off prematurely, and the plot was exposed. The Israeli Defense Minister, Pinhas Lavon had to resign because of the ensuing scandal.

    During the 1967 war, Israel covertly attacked an American naval vessel, the USS Liberty, with unmarked planes and torpedo boats in an attempt to sink the ship and again — blame the Egyptians for the massacre; 34 Americans were killed and 173 wounded. It was only the courage and resourcefulness of the crew that saved the ship and exposed Israel’s role in the attack. The two American officials who were in the best position to know at the time, Secretary of State Dean Rusk, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer, have both stated that the murderous attack by Israel against the American ship was deliberate. The attack was aggressively covered up by both the government and the media in America. Officers and crews were ordered not to give any media interviews. When the captain of the USS Liberty, William MacDougal, was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, for the first time in one hundred years the medal was not awarded at the White House, but given quietly at the Naval Yard; traitors in Washington didn’t want the American people to know about this Israeli act of terrorism and murder against Americans.

    Imagine if after the attack on Pearl Harbor the award of the Congressional Medal of Honor was done so quietly so as not to cause anger against the Japanese, and imagine men in Congress and the White House who still wanted to give arms and American money to the Japanese! That is exactly the kind of treason going on in America right now!

    Israel has also continuously committed espionage against the United States. One of Israel’s spies, Jonathan Pollard, did more damage to the United States than probably any other spy in history. Israel treacherously passed Pollard’s information to the Soviets and our entire intelligence apparatus in Europe was devastated. Through this treachery, Israel caused the murder of many of America’s loyal agents in Eastern Europe.

    So, Israel has a long record of both terrorism and treachery against the United States of America.

    [snip]

    Reporter Phil Reeves wrote for London’s The Independent, and I quote:

    “A monstrous war crime that Israel has tried to cover up for a fortnight has finally been exposed. Its troops have caused devastation in the centre of the Jenin refugee camp, reached yesterday by The Independent, where thousands of people are still living amid the ruins. . . . The sweet and ghastly smell of rotting human corpses is everywhere, evidence that it is a human tomb. The people who spent days hiding in basements crowded into single rooms as the rockets pounded in say there are hundreds of corpses entombed beneath the dust, under a field of debris, criss-crossed with tank and bulldozer treadmarks. . . . A quiet, sad-looking young man . . . led us across the wasteland, littered now with the detritus of what were once households, foam rubber, torn clothes, shoes, tin cans, children’s toys. He suddenly stopped. This was a mass grave, he said, pointing. . . . We could not see the bodies, but we could smell them. . . . Until two weeks ago there were several hundred tightly packed homes in this neighbourhood . . . . They no longer exist. Around the central ruins there are many hundreds of half-wrecked homes. Much of the camp — once home to 15,000 Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war — is falling down. Every wall is speckled and torn with bullet holes and shrapnel, testimony of the awesome, random firepower of Cobra and Apache helicopters that hovered over the camp. Building after building has been torn apart, their contents . . . spewed out into the road. Every other building bears the giant, charred impact mark of a helicopter missile. Last night there were still many families and weeping children living amid the ruins, cut off from humanitarian aid. Ominously, we found no wounded . . . . Israel was still trying to, conceal these scenes yesterday. It had refused entry to Red Cross ambulances for nearly a week, in violation of the Geneva Convention. Yesterday it continued to try to keep us out. . . . Hidden, whispering people directed us through narrow alleys they thought were clear. When there were soldiers about, a finger would raise in warning, or a hand waved us back. We were welcomed by people desperate to tell what had happened. They spoke of executions and bulldozers wrecking homes with people inside. . . . Rajib Ahmed, from the Palestinian Energy Authority, came to try to repair the power lines. He was trembling with fury and shock. ‘This is mass murder. . . . ” All had the same message: tell the world.”

    — end of quote –

    Ariel Sharon is the world’s worst terrorist. As I have said, he has killed many more thousands of people than Osama bin Laden, wounded and tortured hundreds of thousands more than bin Laden.

    [snip]

    Footnotes

    1. Ha’aretz. (2001). As long as he doesn’t hurt us again. Feb. 16,.
    2. Encarta Encyclopedia. (1996). Funk and Wagnalls.
    3. Begin, M. (1964). The Revolt: The Story Of The Irgun. Tel-Aviv: Hadar Pub. p.162.
    4. De Reynier, J. (1950). Chief Representative Of The International Committee Of The Red Cross In Jerusalem. (A Jerusalem Un Drapeau Flottait Sur La Ligne De Feu’, Geneva.
    5. Israeli Kahan Commission Report (on the Sabra and Chatila Massacre)
    6. Fisk, Robert (2002). The Independent. Nov. 28
    7. Fisk, Robert (2002). The Independent. Jan. 25
    8. Fisk, Robert (2002). The Independent. Third former militiaman with links to Sabra and Chatila is murdered Mar. 11.
    9. Fisk, Robert. (2002) The Independent. Third former militiaman with links to Sabra and Chatila is murdered. March 11.
    10. Oz, Amos (1982) The Daily Davar. Dec. 17
    11. Katz, Samuel M. (1998). Israel’s covert crisis Moment. Oct.1.
    12. Ennes, J. (1979). Assault On The Liberty. New York: Random House.
    13. Margolis, Eric. (1999). Jonathan Pollard: No Jewish Patriot. Toronto Sun. Jan. 14.
    14. Description: From the Toronto Sun, 1999.
    15. Cameron, Carl. (2001) Brit Hume Show. Fox News Network. December 12.
    16. Associated Press. (2002). U.S. Deports Israelis Amid Warnings of Espionage Activities March 5.
    17. Le Monde. (2002). March 5.
    18. McWilliams, Brian. (2001) Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack. Newsbytes. (Washington Post). Sept. 27.
    19. Jerusalem Post. (2001). Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon. Sept. 12.
    20. Lipton, Eric. (2001). Estimates of toll may be too high. New York Times. Sept. 22.
    21. Bennet, James. (2001). Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer. NY Times. International section. Sept. 12.
    22. Reeves, Phil (2002). The Independent. April 16. Evidence of Jenin War Crimes

    Regards,
    History Is Bunk.

  38. June 2, 2010 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    Jewish FEAR !!

    “Many rabbis and professionals have told me recently that they fear for their jobs should they even begin to articulate their doubts about Israeli policy–much less give explicit support to calls for an end to the occupation.”

    – Rabbi Michael Lerner
    April 28, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times

  39. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    June 2, 2010 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    AngryJew,

    I am neither a Nordicist (too narrow) nor a Caucasianist (too broad).

    I am a Europeanist. Greeks, Icelanders, Spaniards, Russians and everyone in between (except for unassimilated Middle Eastern peoples such as the Turks, Gypsies and Jews) are the macro-ethnic group of which I am a part.

    I say this neither to assert the superiority of Europeans nor to incite hatred of non-Europeans.

    Admittedly, this macro-ethnic group has cultural as well as racial components: IndoEuropean language (with exceptions such as Basques), a long history of Christian religion, a higher culture with roots in ancient Greece etc.

    And, admittedly, “White” is an awkward term for people of European ancestry, since many Turks, Syrians and Jews have features which, compared to southern Europeans, are equally Caucasian.

  40. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 2, 2010 - 4:39 am | Permalink

    Kook the Elder?

    Who does he represent. An absolute fringe.

    Again, talking about Judaism, while knowing nothing about it.

    Middle Easterners are Caucasians. Caucasians are White. If you insist on Whites being purely White with no Southern Features, then you are a Nordicist. And your group are the Nordics, not Whites.

  41. Darren's Gravatar Darren
    June 2, 2010 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    Sledgehammer – What does international law think of, say, Serbia? Yeah, international law isn’t exactly something I’d give moral support to. Just because the bureaucrats are seemingly anti-Israel doesn’t mean we should give them moral support.

    With the Jews playing a big role in it btw

    I’m not arguing against the notion that Jews exert disproportionate power against our interests. This is about Israel. You’re all over the map for some reason.

    “Really? Perhaps u may wish to check out “Spy Trade: How Israel’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy”. Obviously this is made possible because of the Jewish diaspora in the US.”

    So you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist so that we can have these same people stuck in our nations, ever resentful and continuing to plot/scheme? Uhh, yeah, good idea.

    Israel ceasing to exist will not make diaspora Jewry magically behave. Therefore, I see no legitimate reason to oppose Israel’s existence. On the other side of the coin, one can look at the behavior of pro-Palestinian Arabs in white nations. Does that delegitimatize the existence of the Palestinian cause?

  42. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 1, 2010 - 11:52 pm | Permalink

    @Oakley

    Yeah they think they can appease them with stuff like that. However the simple truth is they can have unlimited muslim immigration into Europe *or* they can have Israel. They can’t have both. Some of them have realised that already but not many.

  43. Oakley's Gravatar Oakley
    June 1, 2010 - 9:04 pm | Permalink

    The late Jewish former Congressman Tom Lantos, a neocon/Zionist major supporter of Israel, said in a House Foreign Affairs Committee on April 15, 2007 titled “The Outlook for the Independence of Kosova” the following:

    “Just a reminder to the predominantly Muslim-led government[s] in this world that here is yet another example that the United States leads the way for the creation of a predominantly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe. This should be noted by both responsible leaders of Islamic governments, such as Indonesia, and also for jihadists of all color and hue. The United States’ principles are universal, and in this instance, the United States stands foursquare for the creation of an overwhelmingly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe.”

    http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=789

  44. George Stephen Morrison's Gravatar George Stephen Morrison
    June 1, 2010 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Wandrin

    “The majority of immigration-invaders in Europe are muslims”

    “America is different as the majority of immigration-invaders are Hispanic and the pro-Israel lockdown is much stronger.”

    Thank you, important points as to the different situations in Europe and America. In Europe, Muslims are the main demographic threat. In America, Muslims are irrelevant and mostly used as a scapegoat for Jew Zionist wars. This distinction between Europe and America needs to remain clear; we will need different tactics and coalitions to win.

  45. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 1, 2010 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    “Some people here seem to believe that white americans should not care about what goes on in Palestine and/or to be neutral. Eh? All Americans who are decent should care”

    White rabbits are in a war of survival so morality and decency can go **** themselves. All i care about is what are the best tactics.

    1. For white rabbits who take a moral view of this and their moral view is negative to Israel then fine. Your choice. And who knows, maybe in the end taking a consistent moral view is the best tactics.

    2. For an ethno-nationalist, which is what i am now, Israel is an ethno-nationalist state. From a tactical point of view attacking Israel using leftist arguments against ethno-nationalism is counter-productive because it reinforces multicult values. (However there may be other ways to do it without reinforcing multicult values.)

    3. On the other hand, outside Israel jews are intimately intwined with the multicult and support it through their dominace in areas like banking and the mass media. As jewish dominance makes it hard to attack jewish dominance directly then there’s a valid argument for using Israel as a proxy target as hopefully there’d be some anti-jewish blowback on home terriotory which helps to weaken their control here.

    4. Individuals in survival-morality mode can make their own mind up on which of the two tactical arguments seems the best: ethno-nationalist or proxy blowback. One other thing to bear in mind is the difference between the Euro and US situations.

    4a. The majority of immigration-invaders in Europe are muslims and as a result the media are less pro-Israel and there are anti-Isreal spokesmen who get plenty of air-time. Basically there’s no need for WNs in Europe to get involved in the anti-Israel bandwagon as it’s doing very well on its own due to immigration. An individual WN in Europe might still want to get on that bandwagon but there’s no need.

    (nb They ***always*** end up cutting their own throats. Remember that when you hear people talk about how it’s all hopeless and they’re too powerful. The paranoia makes them irrational. They will ***always*** end up cutting their own throats.)

    4b. America is different as the majority of immigration-invaders are Hispanic and the pro-Israel lockdown is much stronger. The tactical argument for using Israel as a proxy target is much stronger there.

  46. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 1, 2010 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    “The vast majority of Americans see Jews as ever-blameless, always-wrongly-accused victims and support Israel. This is especially true of White Americans. Brainwashed? Maybe. Lied to by their pastors, the edumacation system, and the media? Certainly. But them’s the facts, Jack.”

    I wouldn’t know for sure.

    I do, however, know that Congress has little respect for the opinions of White Americans on any issue, Israel included. Its members pander to Israel not because most White Americans want them to (if that’s really the case), but because they are paid off by the Jewish lobby and encouraged in their larceny by the Jew-owned mass media. In other words, even if they enjoy the cosmetic convenience of public support for their Israel-inspired treason, it makes no real difference in how they operate. They do it for the money and the publicity.

    That being said, I’m getting the distinct impression that in my particular neck of the woods, where most people are White as the driven snow and worship in small country chapels instead of CZ megachurches, Israel no longer has much of a cheering section. Most of the locals appear to be sick of them. (I won’t say what they usually call Obama, but here’s a hint: it consists of three syllables in two words, the definite article followed by a word beginning with “N” and ending in “r”, no further identification required.)

  47. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 1, 2010 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @Darren: well, I explained why and I stand by it. I don’t know what International law has to do with the existence of whites. As far as I know, countries make up their immigration laws and enforce them(or don’t, ;). Problem with your country(assuming ur an American) is that the majority(for now) has lost political power and the elite that rules the country has “surrendered” to uncontrolled immigration. With the Jews playing a big role in it btw.
    This has nothing to do with the annexation and ethnic cleansing of a territory/people(Palestine).

    “Whether or not we can get all of the diaspora Jews to go there or not does not bear any relevance on the question if Israel should exist, form our perspective.”

    Really? Perhaps u may wish to check out “Spy Trade: How Israel’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy”. Obviously this is made possible because of the Jewish diaspora in the US.
    http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/dp/0976443716/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2PNQ6W5ZLO13Q&colid=1MY16XFLPZ0J6

  48. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    June 1, 2010 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    A PREMEDITATED CRIME?

    COPY OF AN ALLEGED ISRAELI DUCUMENT CONTAINING THE HIT LIST
    OF PASSENGERS TO BE KILLED ON BOARD THE TURKISH SHIP MARMARA:

    http://palestinethinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/1-18.jpg

    Apparently certain activists on board the flotilla had been earmarked in advance for assassination by Israeli commandos.

    “Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.”

    http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/05/31/flotilla-massacre-is-a-reply-to-the-turkish-iranian-relations/

  49. Der weiße Engel's Gravatar Der weiße Engel
    June 1, 2010 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    “US politicians are completely obedient to … [Israel's] dictates despite the pitiful screams of a vast majority of their American constituents”

    Not true. The vast majority of Americans see Jews as ever-blameless, always-wrongly-accused victims and support Israel. This is especially true of White Americans. Brainwashed? Maybe. Lied to by their pastors, the edumacation system, and the media? Certainly. But them’s the facts, Jack.

    Since this is occurring in an environment in which even the dimmest American bulb can, with only a little trouble, quickly ascertain the facts, I am forced to conclude that they just don’t care.

  50. Darren's Gravatar Darren
    June 1, 2010 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Randall Paul being shortened to Rand Paul as a sort of nickname isn’t a coincidence.

  51. Darren's Gravatar Darren
    June 1, 2010 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Sledgehammer: Why should I care, beyond an academic discussion of geopolitics? What sort of moral obligations do I have to root for the Palestinians? I agree that in many respects whites are just like Palestinians (in terms of getting the short end of the stick), but the reason why any sane ethnonationalist can’t root for them is because their cause draws upon Marxism and anti-racism for moral support.

    Furthermore, why do you defer to the alleged illegality of Israel’s existence? Would Whites be given the “right” to exist under international legal framework? I doubt it. Why give international law any sort of moral support when it is clear that it would oppress us too?

    Whether or not we can get all of the diaspora Jews to go there or not does not bear any relevance on the question if Israel should exist, form our perspective.

    I care about Whites – not Jews, not Palestinians.

    The extent of my support for either side is to simply acknowledge that as far as I am concerned, both sides have legitimate ethnic interests but it is not in my people’s interests to take a side.

  52. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 1, 2010 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Some people here seem to believe that white americans should not care about what goes on in Palestine and/or to be neutral. Eh? All Americans who are decent should care, given that the US and Britain were the main parties responsible for the creation of this ILLEGAL bizarro state which increasingly weakens US credibility and interests in the middle East and beyond. Read Alan Harts excellent article about IsraHells “right ” to exist:
    http://www.alanhart.net/israel%E2%80%99s-right-or-not-to-exist-the-facts-and-truth/

    Another thing; does anyone here really think that even if a Jewish state could be created without causing harm to anyone that all or at least most Jews in the diaspora would want to go live there? Methinks they would NOT.

    @WhitesUnite; Fella, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about or u r insincere. You wrote: “we can expel Turkey from NATO. (Armenian Genocide denial and the occupation of Cyprus are good reasons to do this)”
    The reasons u give to expel Turkey, a key US ally in the game of empire the US plays, are ridiculous. Armenian genocide denial?? Here folks, we have a man who clearly does not believe in the concept of freedom of speech. You probably believe that frank, open discussion of the so called Holocaust should be forbidden by the thought police don’t u? But hey, why should NATO even exist at this point? It was allegedly created to help contain the SU and the Warsaw pact which no longer exist.(after the US and Britain helped the SU destroy Germany). Back to Turkey, your attacks on alleged Turkish military incompetence betrays your ignorance. The Ottoman empire had many military victories under its belt, even as it declined and ceased to exist in 1923. Its last important victory was probably when they handed the British, Anzac and French their heads in the Gallipoli campaign(WWI). And what the hell r u going on about in “communal warfare” at Auschwitz?? Do u mean the Jews allegedly “gassed” in homicidal gas chambers there? Do u know how many? NONE. THERE WERE NO homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz.

  53. mark's Gravatar mark
    June 1, 2010 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    AmusedEuro says:
    June 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM

    Mark, Rand Paul is named “Randall” – he was not named for Ayn Rand.

    Ok, well, maybe that’s true, however I’ve seen on a number of websites that he was named after Ayn Rand and given Ron Paul’s politics it seemed to fit. I suppose both views could be true—Ron named his son Randall knowing that the short form is Rand which would be associated with Ayn Rand.

    There must be some reason why some feel he was named after Ayn Rand.

  54. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    June 1, 2010 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    I think it is good for the world to see Zionist get a taste of there medicine.
    You see these same zionist marched in our US streets calling us hateful racist and bussed in activist to change our civil laws funded anti american organizations and legislation to changed the ethnicity of America..And now they are getting it ha ha ha..
    They would force upon you what they are batteling to not have forced upon them. Hypocrites they are as a nation and it must come to an end.

  55. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    June 1, 2010 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Mark, Rand Paul is named “Randall” – he was not named for Ayn Rand. The Pauls are literally the *only* thing going for us right now. They both support ending the Fed, which is a bedrock of Jewish power in the US. Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good. Dick Cheney said “Rand Paul is not one of us” – which is the best endorsement he could ever get in my opinion.

    And my big beef is with the a priori exclusion of Jews from the White Nationalist movement.

    Give me citizenship in Israel and full civil rights for Christians there, and I’ll welcome Jews into White Nationalism.

    What, you want us to include you, while you exclude us? No deal, Jew.

    Sledgehammer, glad to hear Paul Craig Roberts is back, he’s one of the best.

  56. June 1, 2010 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Time to bring this thread back on topic. At issue is the significance of an act of high seas piracy, it’s spinning by the usual pr machine which owns the EuroAmerika media, and the ultimate question of whether Americans will accept the fate of being the pariahs of an increasingly free thinking ‘rest of the world’ no longer feeling constricted by morally and financial bankrupt hegemonists and their kabbalist masters.

    Yup, that’s right folks! There is a whole other world of public and national opinion out there beyond the range of your insular and circular discussions/diatribes. Almost as shocking, I’m sure as LDM’s pointing out that victims of sionist attack may actually choose to defend themselves instead of laying down as victims. Did y’all suppose that to be the exclusive property of alpha ‘whites’? Taint necessarily so!

    The ability of us ‘melatoninally challenged peoples[‘Im going to use that term here in preference to Whites cause there is just no way in the world I'm going to identify with racist oafs who go by names like Whites Unite and the like...they can unite with themself] to survive the talmudic genocide planned for them is entirely dependent on their ability to build bridges to the rest of the world and the peoples in it. Those who have fallen for the sionist project of divide and rule, expressing their contempt for others of different faith or race, in these pages or elsewhere, are a pathetic representation of what happens when our culture is degraded and intellect devolves to the level that those kabbalists desire of their goyish slaves. Be warned, if you are not just some tel aviv troll inserted here to muddy the waters!!!…you are going to need the Turks and the rest of the folks still not mind wiped to have any chance against these bastards whatsoever. Reactionary white supremacist arrogance is just so gay.

  57. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 1, 2010 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Crawler wrote: “For some unknown reason, this particular ethnic conflict has failed to arouse any interest in whites, compared to “Semitic Slugfest 1948″, part of a series of fights between Jews and Muslims which have been ongoing since the founding of Mohammedanism in the seventh century.”

    Nope, there were not that many problems between Jews and Muslims until the birth of the Zionist project. Jews had more trouble in Europe but to a large degree, this was their own fault. For instance, check out the Jewish Arenda system in the Ukraine which finally exploded in 1648, a natural blowback from Jewish parasitism who were agents of absentee Polish landlords.

  58. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 1, 2010 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the idiocies of Aaron, AngryJew and others of their ilk who try to blame the victims for what happened to them, let’s take a look at some important facts compiled by British journalist and author J.Cook:

    “So before we get swamped by Israeli hasbara let’s reiterate a few simple facts:
    * Israeli soldiers invaded these ships in international waters, breaking international law, and, in killing civilians, committed a war crime. The counter-claim by Israeli commanders that their soldiers responded to an imminent “lynch” by civilians should be dismissed with the loud contempt it deserves.

    * The Israeli government approved the boarding of these aid ships by an elite unit of commandoes. They were armed with automatic weapons to pacify the civilians onboard, but not with crowd dispersal equipment in case of resistance. Whatever the circumstances of the confrontation, Israel must be held responsible for sending in soldiers and recklessly endangering the lives of all the civilians onboard, including a baby and a Holocaust survivor.

    * Israel has no right to control Gaza’s sea as its own territorial waters and to stop aid convoys arriving that way. In doing so, it proves that it is still in belligerent occupation of the enclave and its 1.5 million inhabitants. And if it is occupying Gaza, then under international law Israel is responsible for the welfare of the Strip’s inhabitants. Given that the blockade has put Palestinians there on a starvation diet for the past four years, Israel should long ago have been in the dock for committing a crime against humanity.”

    More important stuff from the excellent Paul Craig Roberts, who had given up in disgust a while ago but seems to be back(hopefully):

    “No one in the world will believe that Israel attacked ships in international waters carrying Israeli citizens, a Nobel Laureate, elected politicians, and noted humanitarians bringing medicines and building materials to Palestinians in Gaza, who have been living in the rubble of their homes without repairs or medicines since January 2009, without first clearing the crime with its American protector. Without America’s protection, Israel, a totally artificial state, could not exist. No one in the world will believe that America’s spy apparatus did not detect the movement of the Israeli attack force toward the aid ships in international waters in an act of piracy, killing 20, wounding 50, and kidnapping the rest. Obama’s pretense at ignorance confirms his complicity.”
    And “The Israeli story, preposterous as always, is that the humanitarians on one of the ships took two pistols from Israeli commandos, highly trained troops armed with automatic weapons, and fired on the attack force. The Israeli government claims that the commandos’ response (70 casualties at last reporting) was justified self-defense. Israel was innocent. Israel did not do anything except drop commandos aboard from helicopters in order to intercept an arms shipment to Gazans being brought in by ships manned by terrorists.
    Many Christian evangelicals, brainwashed by their pastors that it is God’s will for Americans to protect Israel, will believe the Israeli story, especially when it is unlikely they will ever hear any other.[…] The criminal Israeli state does not deny its act of piracy. Israeli military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich, confirmed that the attack took place in international waters: “This happened in waters outside of Israeli territory, but we have the right to defend ourselves.” Americans, and their Western European puppet states and the puppet state in Canada, will be persuaded by the servile media to buy the story fabricated by Israeli propaganda that the humanitarian aid ships were manned by terrorists bringing weapons to the Palestinians in Gaza, and that the terrorists posing as humanitarians attacked the force of Israeli commandos with two pistols, clubs, and knives. Many Americans will swallow this story without a hiccup.”

    Yes, they will. That is precisely one of the reasons Mr.Roberts gave up a while ago, the total inability of Americans to recognize the truth or care about it.

  59. Sledgehammer's Gravatar Sledgehammer
    June 1, 2010 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the idiocies of Aaron, AngryJew and others of their ilk who try to blame the victims for what happened to them, let’s take a look at some important facts compiled by British journalist and author J.Cook:
    <>

    More important stuff from the excellent Paul Craig Roberts, who had given up in disgust a while ago but seems to be back(hopefully):
    <>
    And <>

    Yes, they will. That is precisely one of the reasons Mr.Roberts gave up a while ago, the total inability of Americans to recognize the truth or care about it.

  60. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    June 1, 2010 - 1:08 pm | Permalink

    marc,

    Don’t ever write anything which even vaguely sounds like a threat to my family.

  61. mark's Gravatar mark
    June 1, 2010 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Chris Moore said:

    “On the conservative side, he opposes amnesty, he wants to end automatic citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants, he wants to end the welfare state magnet for illegal immigrants, he voted for the border fence, he voted in support of the Minutemen, he voted yes on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment…”

    Yeah, well, there’s the problem right there. He’s a conservative. He’s not a racialist, not a National Socialist, or any other type of White Nationalist. He’s just a conservative—me first, not race first. He does not want to create a Jew-free, all-White racial state where the political, social, and economic orders serve racial interests above all else. In fact he considers such thinking to be “irrational and repugnant”. See plank 3.5 Rights and Discrimination here: http://www.lp.org/platform

    Chris, you’re trying to put a round peg into a square hole and it’s never going to fit. Conservativism is one of the enemies of White Nationalism.

    Chris Moore quotes Rand Paul as saying:
    “I do not support amnesty. Those who come here should respect our laws…Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Millions crossing our border without our knowledge constitutes a clear threat to our nation’s security. I will work to secure our borders immediately. My plans include an underground electric fence, with helicopter stations to respond quickly to breaches of the border.”

    That’s not even close to being good enough. You see, he doesn’t care if they come legally. It’s only the ILLEGAL ones he’s against. As long as they come legally, all according to the law, all according to the Constitution, he doesn’t care how many non-whites come into the Whitelands.

    Chris Moore writes:
    “So your type of authoritarian White nationalism is actually working with Jewish totalitarianism. Why not be more up front about who you’re aligned with instead of constantly straw-manning libertarian nationalism?

    There’s no such thing as “libertarian nationalism”. That term is an oxymoron. Libertarianism is individualist. Nationalism is group-think. You’re trying to link them and you have failed and you will continue to fail.

    There is no form of White Nationalism that cooperates with Jews. No Jew is working to establish Jew-free, all-White nations. The Jews will be gotten rid of.

  62. mark's Gravatar mark
    June 1, 2010 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Jewboy “Whites Unite” writes:

    “First of all, Libertarianism and PaleoConservatism are two completely different things. If Patrick Buchanan and Ayn Rand have any common ground, it is purely accidental. For one small example: PaleoConservatives are unanimously oppossed to Roe vs. Wade, while Ayn Rand was the biggest defender of abortion America has ever known.”

    Secondly, has this commenter ever read anything written by Peter Brimlow, Patrick Buchanan, Steve Sailer or Sam Francis? If so, how is it possible that he failed to notice the solicitude for the well being of White Americans in the works of all of these PaleoConservatives?

    These people use coded language to try to fool Whites into thinking they are on their side, and that’s not good enough. They back out of it when they are pressured. You’ll notice Rand Paul’s performance lately.

    Ron Paul named his son after the Jewess Ayn Rand. That may provide us with some clue as to where his loyalties are, especially when he has repeatedly rejected support from the White Nationalist community and considers racial thinking as “irrational and repugnant”. He’s also promoting faggotry, transexualism, and other degeneracy.

    I see that Peter Brimelow is paying Jews and non-whites to write for his website (Marcus Epstein, Michelle Malkin, Edwin S. Rubenstein, and others). I wondering if he’s using any of the $50,000 he just got in donations. Vdare supporters also get a tax deduction from the Jewish controlled U.S. government for their contributions. One wonders how pro-White Brimelow really is.

    Why don’t you go take care of your Jewish relatives now?

  63. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    June 1, 2010 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Audacity and defiance of international law is used by Jews to make their powerful enemies feel powerless.

  64. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    June 1, 2010 - 11:53 am | Permalink
  65. June 1, 2010 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    Off topic, @ Mark,

    True enough, Ron Paul’s record in immigration is mixed, but lately far more conservative than in the past, due to what he says is the increasing specter of “invasion.” On the conservative side, he opposes amnesty, he wants to end automatic citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants, he wants to end the welfare state magnet for illegal immigrants, he voted for the border fence, he voted in support of the Minutemen, he voted yes on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment…
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm
    Here’s Rand Paul’s position
    Rand Paul: “I do not support amnesty. Those who come here should respect our laws…Immigrants should meet the current requirements, which should be enforced and updated. I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Millions crossing our border without our knowledge constitutes a clear threat to our nation’s security. I will work to secure our borders immediately. My plans include an underground electric fence, with helicopter stations to respond quickly to breaches of the border.”
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rand-paul-illegal-immigration-citizenship/
    So as usual, you are misportraying conservative libertarianism to further your self-admitted vision for White nationalism of destroying America in partnership with Jewish nationalism.
    http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=2036&cpage=1#comment-9333
    So your type of authoritarian White nationalism is actually working with Jewish totalitarianism. Why not be more up front about who you’re aligned with instead of constantly straw-manning libertarian nationalism?

  66. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 1, 2010 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    “PaleoConservatives are unanimously oppossed to Roe vs. Wade, …”

    Not quite true, except by edict of certain specific pundits rightly or wrongly called “paleoconservatives”. In reality, paleoconservatism is a political ideology which has nothing to do with anti-abortion theology. I’m a paleoconservative (and even a Christian) in most respects, but while I believe that a combination of abstinence and birth control is the best presently-available means of population control, I also view abortion as appropriate, in the lesser-of-evils sense, in mitigating the social damage caused by anti-American non-Whites who practice genetic warfare through reproductive incontinence.

  67. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    June 1, 2010 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    An individual who arrogantly assumes that those who disagree with him lack physical courage writes:

    “There is nothing in libertarian or paleo-conservative doctrine that promotes or encourages White racial preservation”

    First of all, Libertarianism and PaleoConservatism are two completely different things. If Patrick Buchanan and Ayn Rand have any common ground, it is purely accidental. For one small example: PaleoConservatives are unanimously oppossed to Roe vs. Wade, while Ayn Rand was the biggest defender of abortion America has ever known.

    Secondly, has this commenter ever read anything written by Peter Brimlow, Patrick Buchanan, Steve Sailer or Sam Francis? If so, how is it possible that he failed to notice the solicitude for the well being of White Americans in the works of all of these PaleoConservatives?

    Finally, the tough talking racialist right is suppossedly dedicated to the “14 words”, but White Christians who have raise large families are the ones who actually do something positive to implement the “14 words”.

  68. mark's Gravatar mark
    June 1, 2010 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    Chris Moore said:

    “Ron and Rand Paul are secured-border libertarian-paleocons who are already seeing success.

    Ron and Rand Paul are NOT for secure borders. There is nothing in libertarian or paleo-conservative doctrine that promotes or encourages White racial preservation—not one single thing. Ron Paul has repeatedly rejected support from the White Nationalist community.

    The Pauls are libertarians. Here is the Libertarian Party platform discussing the issue. http://www.lp.org/platform

    Libertarian Party platform plank 3.4, Free Trade and Migration:

    3.4 Free Trade and Migration
    “We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property.”

    When they speak of “individuals” and “human capital” in the plank above, that includes, and mostly results in, non-white “individuals” and non-white “human capital” entering into and remaining inside of White living space.

    When the above platform speaks of “unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders” that means massive non-white immigration into White countries.

  69. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 1, 2010 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    “Agreed. Repatriat Jewish nationalism to Israel. (By Zion, I was referring to the international ideology of Jewish supremacism, subscribed to even by a lot of non-Jews on both the Left and the Right.) But I would add, a de-fanged and defined Israel that doesn’t have the means to nuke the world, nor the right to attack its neighbors every time it wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.”

    Of course, there is no point in supporting doomed policies unless they are attached to supporting policies which make them viable. This policy is doomed because Israel is a transparent corporate front, and the monetary power of its sponsor controls the world. Tell me, why else would it be the case that an ostensibly pipsqeak nation like Israel even now feels free to commit an act of war against NATO?

    Does anyone here have a theory for that? If so, and if it’s anything more sophisticated than “Well, Jews are hysterical, and often make bad decisions, which other Jews then support due to evolutionary psychology!” – while true, this observation utterly fails to explain why Israel always escapes the consequences of its immoral and misanthropic actions completely unscathed, and why US politicians are completely obedient to its dictates despite the pitiful screams of a vast majority of their American constituents – I’d really like to hear it.

    Until I do, I can only observe that we need to get real here. Nothing bad is going to happen to tiny, ankle-biting Israel as long as its corporate sponsors – the Zionists-of-convenience who comprise the international banking community, headed up by exactly the same bunch of people who headed it up in the first half of the 19th century – are themselves defanged. To do that, we need to make people realize that this nefarious corporate sponsorship arrangement exists, and that because of the economic and political influence it entails, shitty little Israel can drag us straight into a global thermonuclear war.

    Until we succeed in making this clear to all concerned, better wrap your ankles in kevlar. Oh, yeah – and buy a radiation suit.

  70. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    June 1, 2010 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    Let us suppose that we whites had our own little nation not unlike Gaza at long last, and that we were under the thumb of a more powerful nonwhite nation. Can you see Arabs/Moslems/Turks, etc. risking their lives to bring us food & other supplies? I kind of doubt it.

    I am not sticking up for Israel or what they did to those supply ships. Yes, point out the hypocrisy, but don’t lose too much sleep over people who hate you as much as anyone.

  71. Vercingetorix's Gravatar Vercingetorix
    June 1, 2010 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    Israel only attacks those who can`t fight.
    If the relief ship was packed with SAS or navy-SEALS – haha -
    the only casualties would be Jews.

  72. Vercingeterox's Gravatar Vercingeterox
    June 1, 2010 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    Awesome display by Israel.
    Take note those who would be against Israel -
    this will be your fate.

    Still, only those who be savages can allow such crimes.

    If the West was free from the Zionist grip, we surely would act against Israel, like stop funding her and supplying her with weapons.

    A few moaning puppets will deliver the customary telling off to Israel
    then all shall be calm again.

    The great US is nothing but a province of Israel.
    And all the world knows it.

    If the Aryans lose America – which seems possible,
    then the white race is finished.

    The eyes of the world are looking to America.

  73. Michael's Gravatar Michael
    June 1, 2010 - 9:44 am | Permalink

    I carefully studied different news sources and I’ve come to the conclusion that Mr. Yoel Hasson’s, (member of Israeli parlement and chairman of Israels comitee on state control) statement concerning this occurence is true. He stated that ten Israeli soldiers are wounded from knifes and gunshots; Israel is seen as the filthy, trigger happy culprit whereas the peace activists are innoccent lambs. In my local South-African newspaper I read that one of our South-African journalists, “Gadija Davids” is on the Mavi Marmara, she had contact with her employers until the soldiers boarded the ship, via wireless she stated at a point that they were being radioded by the Israeli warships to turn back she said they were afraid but they ignored and kept on going; I believe their hard headedness was the cause of death for the alleged 19 activists.

  74. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 1, 2010 - 9:40 am | Permalink

    “funny to see WN suddenly taking the sides of the left, humanitarians, third-worldists, anti-racists”

    Pointing out the hypocrisy of Israel’s supporters in denying ethnic defense to whites is not the same thing as taking the side of leftie third worldists.

  75. June 1, 2010 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    @ wandrin: “I support jews having a homeland and apart from it being better for us i think it would eventually be better for them if they all went and lived in that homeland among people of their own blood.”

    Agreed. Repatriat Jewish nationalism to Israel. (By Zion, I was referring to the international ideology of Jewish supremacism, subscribed to even by a lot of non-Jews on both the Left and the Right.) But I would add, a de-fanged and defined Israel that doesn’t have the means to nuke the world, nor the right to attack its neighbors every time it wakes up on the wrong side of the bed.

    @WU: “The NeoCons discredited themselves with the Iraq war and the housing bubble, and the Libertarians cannot give the country the immigration restriction it wants. This leaves the field open for PaleoConservatives. We just have to avoid wasting energy on dead end movements like fascism or conspiracy theories.”

    Ron and Rand Paul are secured-border libertarian-paleocons who are already seeing success. But if by “conspiracy theories” you mean resistance to Jewish supremacism, that’s actually another big opportunity for political advancement that isn’t being addressed by mainstream politicians, partly because most of them are implicated. It’s the elephant in the living room that is getting more and more out of control, and harder and harder to hide, and the political faction that breaks the dam and seriously addresses it is eventually going to be richly rewarded, because Americans on both the Left and Right are getting fed up with it.

  76. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    June 1, 2010 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    Historysbunkbunkbunk @ June 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM

    History,

    Can you provide a reliable source for this damning Ariel Sharon quotation?

    Many thanks.

  77. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 1, 2010 - 8:49 am | Permalink

    Another clear observation of what is really going on:

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/dogs-will-be-dogs-israel%E2%80%99s-latest-slaughter-of-the-innocents-just-business-as-usual/

    Can’t argue with any of that.

  78. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 1, 2010 - 8:35 am | Permalink

    “Tell me, do the evil men of this world have a bad time? They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don’t suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club.

    Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear us instead of feeling sorry. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear our madness instead of admiring our nobility. Let them tremble; let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a savage country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go wild, that we might start World War Three just like that, or that we might one day go crazy and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East.

    Even if you’ll prove to me that the present war is a dirty immoral war, I don’t care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the civilized world…We’ll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality. No more talk about a unique people being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance.”

    — Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

    – — –

    “. . . our nobility.” That’s a hoot.

  79. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    June 1, 2010 - 8:34 am | Permalink

    “my big beef is with the a priori exclusion of Jews from the White Nationalist movement”

    AngryJew – you have your ethnic group, of which you are proud, whom you love and whose interests you tenaciously defend. Good for you.

    I have my own ethnic group, people of European (not Middle Eastern) ancestry – aka Whites, in particular that new and precious ethnic group, White Americans. I love my group, I am proud of their accomplishments and I will tenaciously defend their interests.

    I am more than willing to work together with Jews when our mutual interests coincide, just as I am more than willing to work together with African Americans (aka Black Americans), American Indians, or any other group whose interests coincide with the interests of my group.

    However, Talmudic/Zohar Rabbis such as Kook the Elder, Yitzhak Ginsburg etc. have made it extremely clear that they consider Jews to be a separate ethnic group, distinct from and superior to Europeans. (Frankly, I respect Ginsburg’s honesty. The liberal Jews who hold on to these attitudes in a cryptic form are the truely poisonous ones.)

    Since you do not consider me to be your co-ethnic, why should I consider you to be my co-ethnic?

    PaleoConservatism, as a political movement designed to accomplish goals which are beneficial to all ethnic groups in our multi-ethnic USA (Nativism, Isolationism, Law & Order, Square Deal for core ethnic group, Family Values, De-centralized power), can be supported by people of various ethnicities, such as White Americans, Black Americans, American Indians, Jews etc.

    White Nationalism, on the other hand, is a cultural movement designed to restore self-respect to one maligned group – White Americans (Americans of European, not Middle Eastern ancestry). It is logical that this cultural movement should be a movement of White Americans, by White Americans, and for White Americans – just as it is logical that a kibbutz should be populated by your ethnic group, not mine.

  80. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 1, 2010 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    I think this sums up the situation quite well:

    http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/jews.htm

  81. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 1, 2010 - 8:03 am | Permalink

    “proMuslim scum”?

    That’s rich.

    http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/arabs.htm

  82. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 1, 2010 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    PS. the proMuslim scum was intercepted BEFORE entering Israeli territorial waters, if not outright Israeli waters.

    Hopefully next time they do enter Israel’s waters, they will be issued a warning and if they disobey, be sunk.

    I’d expect you guys to cheer, not boo.

  83. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 1, 2010 - 7:55 am | Permalink

    I also don’t make exceptions for Liberal Jews. They are idiots, and I support you guys here in drenching them. What I can’t stand is having ALL Jews attacked, and KM’s factual inaccuracies. Obviously, more than anything else, Judaism and Torah Jews are sacred to me.

    I am politically very consistent. I don’t give a crap about Palestinians, or anyone who supports them. But that’s the line I take on Albania, Kosovo, Chechnya, Pakistan, non-white immigrants to the Developed world.

    I am proof that not all Jews can be reduced (even if some of you take issue with my “stereotypical behavior” – you can’t see yours, I am trying to reflect it, to no avail) to liberal anti-white assholes.

    And my big beef is with the a priori exclusion of Jews from the White Nationalist movement.

  84. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    June 1, 2010 - 7:39 am | Permalink

    I think some of you are missing the point. These were unarmed ships attacked by the Jews in international waters!

  85. HA's Gravatar HA
    June 1, 2010 - 7:34 am | Permalink

    Jews too gentle, next time will kill more goyim:

    ‘Next time we’ll use more force’
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134

  86. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 1, 2010 - 7:16 am | Permalink

    “Will Obama allow Israel to kill American citizens who oppose Israel’s vicious apartheid policies?”

    Of course he will…just like the murderous LBJ and his lickspittle McNamara allowed Israel to slaughter Americans aboard the USS Liberty with total impunity, and stopped US airmen from so much as coming to their rescue.

    Do not underestimate the weight of the garbage stinking up the highest levels of modern American society. Its stench is enough to gag any self-respecting maggot.

  87. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    June 1, 2010 - 7:16 am | Permalink

    “Compassionate”Fascist sides with Turks against his Christian Indo-European kin – Armenians and Greeks?

    How proud the Turks must be of their victorius “communal warfare”. Successively defeated by Russians, Romanians, Italians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, and English in fair fights between soldiers, they could at least salve their wounded pride by defeating Armenian women, children and poorly armed civilians in “communal warfare”. Trotsky’s commisars were victorius in equally heroic “communal warfare” in Russia and the Ukraine. Captain Chaos’ heros, the Gestapo, proved what big strong supermen they were in “communal warfare” at Auschwitz. The Khmer Rouge and Rwandan Hutus provide more recent examples of glorius “communal warfare”.

    @me – I think it is entirely possible for a revived PaleoConservative movement to take control of the Republican Party and end aid to Israel. The NeoCons discredited themselves with the Iraq war and the housing bubble, and the Libertarians cannot give the country the immigration restriction it wants.

    This leaves the field open for PaleoConservatives. We just have to avoid wasting energy on dead end movements like fascism or conspiracy theories.

  88. Cold Wind's Gravatar Cold Wind
    June 1, 2010 - 6:48 am | Permalink

    The Obama Administration shows its cowardice in the face of Jewish pressure to reject a Security Council condemnation of Israel’s murderous assault on the Relief Flotilla.

    This make the Administration complicit in Israel’s war crime and murder.

    Will Obama allow Israel to kill American citizens who oppose Israel’s vicious apartheid policies?? What about the Americans being held now by Israel? What will this shameless Administration do??

  89. me's Gravatar me
    June 1, 2010 - 6:12 am | Permalink

    Like clockworK:
    U.S. blocks Security Council criticism of Israeli raid
    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15200395

  90. me's Gravatar me
    June 1, 2010 - 6:09 am | Permalink

    but it was the passengers, not the Israelis, who were the first to inflict bodily injury by use of weapons.
    tiresome… Israel attacked, committed an act of piracy this is what i mean when i say talmudic reasoning no longer is it the first to ‘attack’ now its the first to inflict bodily harm (I think this is probably a lie too) come on Aaron.

    There is no justification for this. None. But Israel will get away with it and an in a few days we’ll hear us poltiicians supporting them, perhaps even a resolution from congress supporting the raid.

    Then more people will hate US for supporting isreal, more people will NOT want to do business with us. the US’s declining position in the world is the direct result of AIPAC/Jewish elite’s influence on our government. This is a reality that Americans have to face.

  91. shukormalaysia's Gravatar shukormalaysia
    June 1, 2010 - 6:05 am | Permalink

    what can the world do ? Nothing
    what will the world do ? Nothing
    What can we do : NOTHING
    Zionist Israel can do anthing they like. the rest of the world can do nothing !

  92. me's Gravatar me
    June 1, 2010 - 5:57 am | Permalink

    Angry Jew
    there aer ‘liberal’ white (non jewish) elite. Plenty of them. They don’t however, make exceptions for their in-group WASP elite for example are about the most anti-wasp people around. the jewish elite, on the other hand, supports israel without question, and makes extensive exceptoins for their in-group, in fact they treat their in-group entirely differently.

    Other ethnocentirc groups realize whites are gullible or can be bullied by ‘racist’ charges – chinese, upper caste indians, but no on one maintains hypocrisy on the level of the Jewish elite.

    This latest outrage is just another glaring example.

  93. omop's Gravatar omop
    June 1, 2010 - 5:41 am | Permalink

    Rabbi Kook’s defining a jewish soul versus …yech… a non jew. “The difference between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews — all of them in all different levels — is greater and deeper than the difference between a HUMAN soul and the souls of CATTLE.”

    The view that Jews are a distinct people with a primary commitment to Israel and the Jewish community is forthrightly affirmed by Elliott Abrams, advisor to GWB. His views reflect Norman Podhoretz his father in law: “Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand APART FROM the nations in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart from — except in Israel — from the rest of the population.” Judaism and the Jewish way of life,” are God.(ordained)” Jews, he goes on, “are in a permanent covenant with the land of Israel and its people.

    The Jewish sense of alienation from, and abiding distrust of, non-Jews no matter where they live, except in Israel means that no Jew can be loyal to the society he/she lives in. Period.

    Its been a way of life since the crucifixion. For better or for worse.

  94. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 1, 2010 - 1:53 am | Permalink

    @Matthias
    “Palestinians yesterday, Turks today, us tomorrow. Learn about Israel’s Samson option and, well, sleep easy tonight…”

    Thousands of years of paranoia is not healthy.

  95. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 1, 2010 - 1:51 am | Permalink

    “Reasonable rule of thumb: those who support Zion in any way, shape or form, and oppose anti-Judeofascist Christianity…are up to no good. Count on it.”

    True of me for sure. I’m definitely up to no good.

    I support jews having a homeland and apart from it being better for us i think it would eventually be better for them if they all went and lived in that homeland among people of their own blood.

    This isn’t a good context to discuss it though.

  96. June 1, 2010 - 1:48 am | Permalink

    Palestinians yesterday, Turks today, us tomorrow. Learn about Israel’s Samson option and, well, sleep easy tonight…

    Samson Option Supporters

    Two Israel supporters are frequently quoted for their explicit support of the Samson Option. Martin Van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has been quoted as saying: “Most European capitals are targets for our air force….We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”[38]

    In 2002 the Los Angeles Times, published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter in which he wrote: “What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away–unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans–have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?”[39]

  97. June 1, 2010 - 1:06 am | Permalink

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    Does anybody remember the wall-to-wall coverage the media gave to the protests in Iran last summer?

    I’m just saying…

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  98. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 1, 2010 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    funny to see WN suddenly taking the sides of the left, humanitarians, third-worldists, anti-racists.

    I am not convinced that Israel’s use of force isn’t for the best. To discourage stupid and annoying “humanitarians”.

    It’s the Rainbow warrior all over again.

  99. S Fowler's Gravatar S Fowler
    June 1, 2010 - 12:21 am | Permalink

    “International terrorism” was invented by Israel to compensate for the apparent military weakness of their Palestinian enemy.

    The formation of the State of Israel in a land belonging to others required an audacious removal of settled people and theft of their property. The conflict between Palestinians and Israelis has always been lop-sided with the Israelis in the role of the heavy.

    After three successful wars against the inhabitants of Palestine in 1948, 1967, and 1973 what the Israelis had on their hands were millions of dispossessed, unarmed people in the periphery of what had been Palestine and in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon.

    The injustice and inequality of this situation was too obvious for the Israelis to pursue their goals without being severely condemned. Feeble Palestinian resistance was not enough. It was necessary to make the hapless Palestinians look menacing, dangerous, fanatical, and bent upon the destruction of Israel to justify the Zionists’ continued expansion and relentless punishment of these defeated people.

  100. CompassionateFascist's Gravatar CompassionateFascist
    May 31, 2010 - 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Israel is not vulnerable to “international pressure”, and they don’t give a flying F if they are a “pariah state”. Israel, by way of the domestic Jewish money and media power, rules America. So long as they rule in America, they will Rule in Palestine. Break the Jew Power in America, and Israel will dry up and blow away within months. This is where the real problem is. Not in Palestine. Not in the “world”. And WE are therefore the root of the problem, in that we let the Jews dictate to us.

  101. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    May 31, 2010 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

    It kind of looks like the Israeli’s, with their usual state sponsored hubris, blundered into hostile territory when they tried to commandeer these ships in international waters. They must have thought that they were going to encounter a gaggle of genuflecting liberal Western peace advocates, who they could intimidate, and instead, encountered a group of pissed off Turks with pipes and knives. The Turks fought back, even forcing some of the ‘commandos’ to jump into the water to escape from the Turkish reception committee. Not to worry, though, occupied America will front-run diplomatically for Israel, and probably financially reward them to boot. Obama and Congress will get their marching orders from Aipac and Netanyahu shortly, and America’s “fair and balanced” Jewish controlled media will “explain everything”.

  102. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    May 31, 2010 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Dr. Darkmoon for providing these additional details about Israel’s latest outrage. This incident seems like another bad public relations move by Israel. While in the US it is receiving scanty coverage, this will help turn other nations against the Israelis. It seems that Turkey has recently been increasingly alienated from them. I have read that Israel’s long-term strategy is to grind the Palestinians down, to the point where their lives are unbearable, at which point they would supposedly be willing to voluntarily leave. This seems like a low probability strategy though, as the Palestinians seem to be very tenacious, with few signs of weakening in spite of the poor living conditions they face.

    Dr. MacDonald’s expectation that the more extreme elements of the Jewish community will inevitably win out in Israel seems to be happening before our eyes in Israel, where the government seems to be moving in an increasingly hard-line direction. And it seems like this is one of many long-term trends that will eventually erode Israel’s position, turning it into a pariah state. The outrages that Israel commits are probably harmful to it in the long-term, and promote negative attitudes about Jews through much of the world.

    Unlike other pariah states such as Myanmar or North Korea, Israel’s well-being is tied to a modern growth economy, and the state would have severe problems if it faced economic decline. This means that Israel is vulnerable to international pressure, which suggests that if the level of outrage against Israel increases to the point where other nations penalize them economically (boycotts or sanctions), Israel would be in a serious predicament.

  103. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    May 31, 2010 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    I hope everyone pays close attention to the hysterical reactions that Lasha Darkmoon’s articles get. Because she refuses to portray Jews as victims, but instead, accurately, as aggressors, Jews and their allies like Aaron and others go nuts; she rips off the mask of victimhood that these violent, terrorist Zionist Jews hide behind. Her excellent selection of illustrations add a visceral punch that Zionist apologists absolutely fear and despise.

    Reactions like Aaron’s should simply be noted. Their agenda is obvious; it’s a Jewish agenda and absolutely hostile to White people and White interests, regardless of whatever Talmudic, legalistic appeals they make to some “universal morality” they pretend to believe in.

    How many times do these people have to lie until we simply stop listening to them?

    This latest terrorist incident by the rogue state of Israel is hardly even unique, considering the aggressive, criminal actions Israel has inflicted on their neighbors in the last few years, and then notice how no Western government respond in any way to reign in these mad dogs.

    Israel is on record threatening *Italy* with nuclear weapons if they don’t get their way. Does Israel really run the world? They just got nuclear subs from Germany last year, and evidently are already threatening everybody with them.

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/does-israel-rule-the-world-1.635056

  104. CompassionateFascist's Gravatar CompassionateFascist
    May 31, 2010 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Back under the bridge, Zionist troll. I think the death figures tell all…..as usual, whenever Isreal is “defending itself”.

  105. Aaron's Gravatar Aaron
    May 31, 2010 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

    The passengers involved armed themselves when they saw that the Israelis were going to board the ship. Justifiably or not, the passengers were armed.

    The Israelis had orders to use force only if necessary to defend their lives. You can call the boarding itself an act of violence if you want to, but it was the passengers, not the Israelis, who were the first to inflict bodily injury by use of weapons. The other ships were commandeered with no fighting or injuries on either side. Again, for those too stupid to read (hi, Chris!), I’ll spell it out clearly: I AM NOT DENYING THE PASSENGERS’ RIGHT TO USE FORCE TO RESIST THE BOARDING OF THEIR VESSEL. I’m only pointing out that Lasha Darkmoon is posting crude, lying propaganda.

  106. May 31, 2010 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Reasonable rule of thumb: those who support Zion in any way, shape or form, and oppose anti-Judeofascist Christianity…are up to no good.

    Count on it.

  107. CompassionateFascist's Gravatar CompassionateFascist
    May 31, 2010 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Kikes Unite – thanks, Captain C. – can’t tell anything straight. Turks “deny” genociding the Armenians because no such thing happened. In August 1914, a Russian-Armenian division jumped the border into Turkish Armenia and massacred 150,000 Turks and Kurds. Turks then drove out the invaders and went after the Armenians….who fought back tooth and nail. This is called communal warfare, not “genocide”. In a larger sense, the entire 3,000-year long struggle between Organized Jewry and its various human hosts has also been a form of communal warfare. It is a struggle which the Jews now think they have definitively won: witness the increasing public visibility of our Jewish overlords in America and the increasingly brazen, murderous behavior by the Zionist entity in Palestine…as in the latest maritime atrocity. The historical pattern, though, is this: each time the Jews Rise, they rise higher. And each time the Jews Fall, they fall farther. This time they are going to reach terminal velocity.

  108. me's Gravatar me
    May 31, 2010 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Whites Unite we can’t be neutral with AIPAC’s stranglehold over congress and the government in general. On top of that Jews are in nearly every key position in government – their takeover is almost as complete as the takeover of the ivy leagues.

    Do you see it ending any time soon??

    I agree Turkey’s not much better, but pragmatically I don’t see our foriegn involvement ending..

    Israel’s behavior is curious to the say the least – they seem to be intentionally trying to alienate people.
    are they just mad with power, or do they believe that a little anti semitism is a good thing to rope disapora in?

  109. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    May 31, 2010 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    “Unfortunately, we can’t stay out of it. The US government supports everything Israel does. With Turkey a NATO ally, and promising to send naval ships, Israel may have just started WWIII.

    Don’t pretend we can be neutral.”

    Yes, we can be neutral.

    On the one hand, we can stop supporting Israel. No more $3 billion/year subsidy, no more trade embargoes against Syria and Iran, no more military presence in the Persian Gulf, no more knee-jerk statements of support for Israel. (But also no need to imitate the Muslim/Leftist knee-jerk statements of condemnation)

    On the other hand, we can expel Turkey from NATO. (Armenian Genocide denial and the occupation of Cyprus are good reasons to do this)

  110. May 31, 2010 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    How many of these “White” defenders of Israel claiming it’s a “model ethnic state for Whites” are crypto Jews, just like more than a few of the Dispensationalist Judeo-Christian Zionist Israel-lovers?

    The Bolshevik “liberal” defenders of Zion have their cryptos in the Dems, and the J-C Zionists have their cryptos in the GOP, but there are plenty of cryptos in the “White” Right, as well.

    Any identification with Israel is signature.

  111. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    May 31, 2010 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    “Whites Unite, you’ve talked about your Jewish relatives”

    No wonder Kikes Unite is willing to compromise on White interests for the benefit of the Jews.

  112. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    May 31, 2010 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Hey Whites Unite, you’ve talked about your Jewish relatives – are they staying out of it? They are the pro-White Jewish types, right?

    Unfortunately, we can’t stay out of it. The US government supports everything Israel does. With Turkey a NATO ally, and promising to send naval ships, Israel may have just started WWIII.

    Don’t pretend we can be neutral.

  113. Whites Unite's Gravatar Whites Unite
    May 31, 2010 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Jew haters take the Palestinian side and Muslim haters take the Israeli side, but I think pro-Whites should just stay out of it.

  114. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    May 31, 2010 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Mark Glenn and his crew have put together a special broadcast on this here:

    http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010/05/31/the-ugly-truth-podcast-special-broadcast/

    He is with Phil Tourney (SS Liberty Survivor), Mark Dankoff, and Mantiq-al-tayr.

    Some pretty good comments at this stage in the “event”.

  115. omop's Gravatar omop
    May 31, 2010 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    The US media in its decadence has paid more attention to the two gay Malawis and Ms. Kagan’s views [ looks like she is definitely in like the proverbial flynn] on a rogue jury member. Come 2020 the US Constitution will definitely be amended to provide that all Americans will have the right to have sex with all living organism.

    Will she or wont she have her “better” half at the swearing in ceremony?

    The latest news from the Middle East is that the Turkish government will be sending another flottila into Gaza soon. This time the flottila, it was announced will be protected by the Naval Forces of Turkey.

  116. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2010 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Judaism is hardly a best selling strategy. It needs a powerful bonding, the likes of which only big tragedies, real or imaginary, can sustain. The holocaust is getting old, overused and heading for irrelevancy in the face of zionist agression. What credit will the merchants of tolerance have after giving support to a violent colonial state in a post-colonial era? Will they pack their bags, head to Israel and live the life of the nation-state citizen, whose joys they are psychologically unfit for experiencing? As I see it, in my very limited understanding, they will make things worse and worse and we will be forced to clean the mess. They have a habbit of making their worst fears their biggest desires. How much of the rabinical writtings had an embedded holocaust before it even happened? There must be anti-zionist religious approaches out there counting on a fatal strike on Israel and preparing a way forward. Since judaism will not accept a normal narrative, the way forward must achieve full redemption and a credible return to the victimhood narrative. That’s how I see it. After the main redemptive event, I expect a push for acceptance of jews as a virtual nation in an international legal framework, though I know not what I’m talking about. It’s up to wise people like KMac to be ahead of the curve, understand the dynamics and make the game a positive-sum one.

  117. Duke Mantee's Gravatar Duke Mantee
    May 31, 2010 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    “The foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 will one day be seen, I believe, as one of history’s most tragic mistakes.”

    Probably the most tragic mistake was in allowing Jews back into Europe after having booted so many out and outlawing them there, and then in allowing them into America.

    Next tragic mistake was bringing slaves over to America from Africa, or at least not repatriating every last one after the end of slavery.

    Then of course the tragic mistake of gullible christians falling for the zionist sham that the modern satanic state of so-called Israel is a gathering of “God’s people”, when in fact it’s clear they are anti-christs. If they would only read their Bible they’d know that what is going on is an abomination.

    That’s three disastrous blunders. Disgusting mistakes all.

  118. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    May 31, 2010 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, Crawler, they don’t call it the Zionist Occupied Government for nothing. We would all be happy if we didn’t have to care about Jews and Muslims killing each other half-way around the world, but since our government is owned and occupied by Zionist Jews and their cronies, we are involved whether we like it or not.

    Turkey is a NATO ally and Israel just committed an act of war against them. We should declare war on Israel for this act, but of course we won’t, because of ZOG.

  119. May 31, 2010 - 2:45 pm | Permalink
  120. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    May 31, 2010 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Here is a gripping video of Israel’s latest atrocity. Partly in Turkish, partly in English. This is big news in Turkey, with the Turks unanimously baying for Israeli blood. Most of the dead peace activists are Turkish civilians.

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/live-stream-from-turkishs-ihh-mission-to-gaza.html

  121. me's Gravatar me
    May 31, 2010 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

    “To clarify, for what I hope is the last time: The people on the boat were not “unarmed activists”.”

    generally speaking Aaron, if I say, am attacked with by, say, a police officer with a nightstick and sidearm, and I, for example, am carrying groceries and take out a glass beer bottle to defend myself – most people would not consider that ‘armed’ ..

    the relief ships were specifically NOT armed – they only fought back with what ever readily available tools were on the ship.

    its these silly, diversionary ‘talmudic’ disputes so many israel supporter try to drag us into that lead me to come to the conclusion we just ignore you. Either by wiring, deep cultural traits, most Jewish Israel supporters seem near incapable of a fair minded discussion. It’s always talmudic ‘reasoning’ if it can even be called that.

    ps, another blantant piece of hypocrisy- Israel always glorfies the illegal landing of zionists that the British tried to prevent (knowing it would lead to bloodshed) but relief ships brining basic humanitarian supplies are somehow a ‘terrorist’ act.

  122. Barack Mugabe's Gravatar Barack Mugabe
    May 31, 2010 - 2:08 pm | Permalink

    What’s really evil is that the Israelis don’t want any humanitarian aid to get through to Gaza. Apparently, the Palestinians are just supposed to remain cut off from the rest of humanity in their open air prison until they die. Israel’s treatment of these people is an unspeakable outrage.
    I’m glad that at least some members of the European Parliament had the courage to be part of the relief effort even though they surely knew that it was doomed from the beginning.
    Once again, our media lies to us like the old Soviet Pravda.

  123. me's Gravatar me
    May 31, 2010 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    aaron, your response reminds me of an old polish proverb “the Jew cries out in pain as he beats you”.

    Have you guys ever been wrong, anywhere, ever? It’s always the goy’s fault, eh?

  124. Crawler's Gravatar Crawler
    May 31, 2010 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    In White News today, two groups of semites who are completely unrelated to us got into another fight over religious differences. All white people should care because…

    More White News today, with Han Chinese and Tibetans are still fuming over the status of Tibet. For some unknown reason, this particular ethnic conflict has failed to arouse any interest in whites, compared to “Semitic Slugfest 1948″, part of a series of fights between Jews and Muslims which have been ongoing since the founding of Mohammedanism in the seventh century.

    On page 23865 of White News, a white teenager was beaten by a gang of blacks, plus real video footage of a black (surprise!) high school principal assaulting a white student.

    Stay tuned for coverage of more pressing issues, like Jews and Muslims screaming at each other in the desert.

  125. Kratos's Gravatar Kratos
    May 31, 2010 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Jews = Pirates.

    Did they want food, money or blood?

  126. May 31, 2010 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

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    Metal sticks notwithstanding, the aid flotilla was violating no international laws in trying to deliver medicine and food to civilian victims of an Israeli blockade. Israel on the other hand was most assuredly violating international law in attacking an unarmed aid ship on the open sea.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/israel-attacks-gaza-aid-ships-killing-at-least-19/

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  127. Kratos's Gravatar Kratos
    May 31, 2010 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Funny how docile Jewish people expect one to be when confronted by hostile and armed enemy. The fact that they landed on the boats/ships from a helicopter while being pelted with chairs should have given them a warning of the escalation unless ofcos they just vile and stupid armed with latest technology.

    Jews would automatically accuse anti-Semitism against anybody protesting of wrongful treatment, because only they are wronged in this world.

  128. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    May 31, 2010 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    “It’s simply unbelievable that every one else is always to blame for the messes (that Israel) perpetually gets itself into.”

    I think that “severely pathological” might be a passable description of that particular Jewish metacognitive and moral incapacity.

    Personally, if I’d been on that ship, on a humanitarian aid mission, in international waters, when a bunch of gun-toting body-armored Israeli schlemiels schlepped aboard without invitation and with evil obviously on their tiny, aggressive little minds, I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been sufficiently aggrieved to grab any iron bar I could get my hands on and twist it around one of their pencil necks until his pea-sized head popped off and rolled into the sea for sharkbait.

    Thanks, Dr. Darkmoon, for bringing to our attention yet another of Israel’s cowardly and outrageous crimes against humanity!

  129. Elvis H.'s Gravatar Elvis H.
    May 31, 2010 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    The fact that all of the outrage centers on decrying “Nazis” and whining about how bad racism is, instead of attacking Jews, should tell the astute observer all he needs to know about which side has already won here, and how it all will end.

  130. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    May 31, 2010 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a recent Latuff cartoon which is particularly apt:

    http://www.rebelnews.org/images/stories/201005/bastards.jpg

  131. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    May 31, 2010 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Aaron is simply repeating Israel’s lying, crude propaganda. When the IDF committed an act of piracy in international waters, some on the boat grabbed some metal bars to try to fight back. They were not “armed” – it was the Israelis who were armed, to the teeth, while committing what amounts to an act of war against Turkey.

    I think everyone reading this blog is aware of who is spreading crude, lying propaganda. And one thing is very, very clear – there’s no point in engaging these liars in any sort of “dialogue” because they don’t care one bit about the truth and would lie about anything just to keep in practice.

  132. Aaron's Gravatar Aaron
    May 31, 2010 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Chris, try to read what I wrote. I’m not saying Israel is a victim. I’m not saying that Israel’s actions were justified. I’m not asking for sympathy for poor Israel. I’m not taking a position on whether Israel is good or bad. Got that? If not, go back and read what I wrote. It’s only a few sentences.

    To clarify, for what I hope is the last time: The people on the boat were not “unarmed activists”. Lasha Darkmoon is posting crude, lying propaganda.

  133. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    May 31, 2010 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Aaron @ May 31, 2010 at 12:16 PM

    “Chris, I’m not talking about who was right or wrong in this incident. I’m just talking about who’s posting crude, lying propaganda: Lasha Darkmoon, at the Occidental Observer blog.”

    Crude, lying propaganda? Can you be more specific? What lie exactly? What propaganda?

    Lasha must be doing something right to earn this absurd ad hominem attack.

  134. May 31, 2010 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Aaron,

    there you go again with the “victim” pose. This blog posts outrage at what was clearly an act of aggression by the Israelis that resulted in a lot of deaths, and you immediately start in with the “victim” rhetoric: poor Israelis are being savaged by “crude, lying propaganda.” Isn’t it an outrage what people are doing to the poor Jews!?

    You hasbaraniks have got to be the most passive-aggressive people on earth. When is Jewry going to take some responsibility for its own plight? It’s simply unbeleivable that every one else is always to blame for the messes it perpetually gets itself into.

  135. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    May 31, 2010 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

    The foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 will one day be seen, I believe, as one of history’s most tragic mistakes.

    It’s not a mistake from their point of view; think what the position of Jewish ethnic interests would be now if Israel had not been created. They would have had generations of assimilation like the Japanese American community who relatively rarely marry each other.

    I don’t want to “reverse this catastrophic error of history”. Israels’ participation in the West’s demographic suicide pact wouldn’t help Whites one bit.

  136. Aaron's Gravatar Aaron
    May 31, 2010 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Chris, I’m not talking about who was right or wrong in this incident. I’m just talking about who’s posting crude, lying propaganda: Lasha Darkmoon, at the Occidental Observer blog.

  137. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    May 31, 2010 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    Just more cult like behavior from the members of the Jew cult:
    http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/2010/05/israel-kidnaps-former-us-ambassador.html

  138. May 31, 2010 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    @ Aaron,

    What the hell were the Israelis doing on the boat in the first place?

    The Israelis murderously ambush and attack humanitarians out of the blue, get a few minor scratches and flesh wounds, cry “anti-Semitism,” and frame it as an existential assault on Jewry; meanwhile they kill over a dozen and arrest and gag the witnesses, and now go about demanding that the world to feel sorry for THEM?

    LOL. What a good microcosm of the Jewish version of history.

  139. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    May 31, 2010 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    No they’re not. Disinformative posts like yours, however, certainly are.

  140. Aaron's Gravatar Aaron
    May 31, 2010 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    “Unarmed activists” my ass. Did you see the video of them pounding the Israelis with iron rods? Did you see the pictures of the knives? How did the Israel soldiers end up hospitalized with stab wounds from all these “unarmed activists”?

    MacDonald publishes some good analysis here, but still, this site should not be confused with scholarship. Articles like this are just cheap, lying propaganda.

  141. AmusedEuro's Gravatar AmusedEuro
    May 31, 2010 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    The Zionist regime in Palestine shows it’s bloody murderous face once again. I notice the Jew-owned media in the US is barely covering the slaughter as usual.

  142. who_owns_media's Gravatar who_owns_media
    May 31, 2010 - 11:11 am | Permalink

    The attack is reminiscent of Israel’s attack on the U.S.S. Liberty (except that the Israelis apparently intended to sink the U.S.S. Liberty and leave none of its American servicemen alive to tell the tale), and the reason very few people have even heard of the U.S.S. Liberty is pretty well explained by my username.

    34 sailors and officers died, and 171 were wounded, in Israel’s attack on the U.S.S. Liberty.

    Richard Helms, Director of the CIA at the time of the attack:

    “…the board’s finding that there could be no doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty.”

    Dean Rusk, Sec. of State at the time of the attack:

    “(Israel’s) sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander…I didn’t believe them then, and I don’t believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.”

    Thomas H. Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time of the attack:

    “In my opinion, the United States government and the Israeli government must share responsibility for this cover-up. I cannot accept the claim by the Israelis that this was a case of mistaken identity.”

    http://www.gtr5.com/

    http://www.gtr5.com/quotes.htm

    Notice Admiral Moorer’s mention of “cover-up”–we almost NEVER get the true story about ANYTHING concerning Israel.

    Almost–but check out this revelatory Chicago Tribune article, years after the event (on page 4…”the ground control station” and “the aircraft” referred to are both Israeli):

    “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.
”The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ENSURE THEY LEFT NO SURVIVORS.”
 (my caps).

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/service

    Google “Lavon affair” for another terrorist attack against the U.S. by Israel, one that Israel admitted to after being caught in the act.

    (This post is especially aimed at new readers….Harumphty Dumpty)

  143. HA's Gravatar HA
    May 31, 2010 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    Where Jews go death follows.

  144. May 31, 2010 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    It’s ironic that the Left, which for decades instructed the world that Western Civilization and Christendom’s shoddy treatment of organized Jewry proved the necessity of their overthrow, and collaborated with Jewish Bolshevism in the mass murder of Orthodox Christians, now feigns shock and outrage at the monstrous behavior of its “erstwhile” partners. Meanwhile, the liberals wring their hands knowing full well hypocritical U.S. left-liberalism is hip deep in Jewish supremacism itself; and the idiot Judeo-Christians have picked up in collaboration and defense of the Judeofascist interest where the Left is starting to drop out.

    It’s all enough to turn one into a libertarian. The other fools just keep digging us deeper and deeper into deals with the devil.

  145. me's Gravatar me
    May 31, 2010 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    noticeable lack of media coverage too. it just becomes more and more blatant every day.. it’s almost as if they (people who strongly identify jewish) need and want to be hated by ‘other’.

  146. May 31, 2010 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    Obviously, none of those Jew whores in charge of Western governments is going to do anything about it. They will make a few disapproving statements here and there and then sit on their kosher arses. The United Nations will conduct one of these really thorough investigations that outspokenly criticise the Zionist atrocity only to be buried in bureaucracy and not amount to anything.

    http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/editorial/231899-judea-declares-war-on-mankind

  147. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    May 31, 2010 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    As the terrorist state of Israel has used its military to murder, in International waters, the defenseless citizens of sovereign nations, that constitutes an act of war against those nations, wouldn’t you say?

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