As part of a series of interviews with dissidents involved with writing and publishing, I have conducted a major interview with Professor Kevin MacDonald. Much has been written about him, but all of it, and even what he has written about himself, has focused on his intellectual background and current thinking on ethnic competition, immigration, twentieth century Jewish intellectual movements, and Leftist bias in Western academia. I wanted to find out more about the man behind the monster. What is it like to be a controversial professor? What is he like as a person? What about his pre-academic life? In his replies, we discover many previously unknown facts about Professor MacDonald, we obtain something closer to a full-length portrait of the man, and are even treated to never-previously-seen photographic images from his past. Whether you are a friend or a foe, what you will find there will illuminate, enlighten, and entertain—not to mention shatter some popular misconceptions. You can read the interview here.
Alex Kurtagic Interviews Kevin MacDonald
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Fantastic interview, everyone should read it.
I wonder how much it means to a professor to receive moral support when they are under siege? Even privately, a kind and supportive word from a student or other faculty member could make an enormous difference – or at least I assume it could.
I wish I had been more supportive of conservative professors in school, but at the time you seldom think about it.
A very good interview.
Just look at old photographs if you want to see what we’ve lost in this country. Clean streets, well-dressed healthy people, and lots of social gatherings. It’s almost like a dream.
I know all too well the trials whereof you speak, Kevin, I congratulate you on surviving, but I have to tell you that with fewer resources it could have been far worse. Academia for a long time has been not only an unpleasant place but sometimes a dangerous one for anyone not fitting the pigeonhole.
I certainly applaud your effort to become mainstream. I don’t think we have much chance of saving ourselves until and unless we can get all relevant information mainstream. Too many of our people are living in a blind and apathetic ignorance of the world around them, because, mainly, they depend on mainstream media which exists not to inform but to misinform.
Ya gotta love those “X-Ray Eyes” in the photo at the top of the interview.
We know what they’re seeing through!
Great interview, Alex. I predict that, for better or worse, as time goes by and conditions ripen, our movement will be divided into those who understand our enemies in full (including the enemy within, naivete) and name the enemy in full, and those who are too afraid or uncertain to do so. Professor MacDonald stands at the very front of the former group, a true founder. Reading ‘The Culture of Critique’ was certainly a pivotal moment in my own awakening.
A few minor criticisms:
I have seen the headlining photo elsewhere recently (OO blog, perhaps) and I didn’t like it there, either. Prof. MacDonald has always struck me as a kind, avuncular person, has certainly been so in a few emails I have exchanged with him over the years, and that is precisely the image of him that we should be projecting; it is the best defense against the absurd attempts to make a monster of him. This photo, with its garish colors and ray-gun eyes, dehumanizes him.
That raises another point. Each instance in which he is referred to as a monster, or anything like that, should be couched in referential language, eg not ‘you went from being a scholar to a monster,’ but ‘you went from being taken seriously as a scholar to being portrayed as a monster’ (my example, not your exact text).
One point concerning Prof. MacDonald’s own terminology: “I think we Catholics did feel a bit separate from the Protestants, especially the well-off Protestants. (They were more German than WASP.)”
We do not know exactly when the term ‘WASP’ entered conversational use, for when Andrew Hacker first introduced it formally in 1957, he stated it was already in common informal use among sociologists. My understanding is that the term really only became necessary once the dynastic Dutch-American and German-American families, for instance, the Vanderbilts, Heinzes, Chryslers, Boeings and especially, the Rockefellers, became established enough, liberal enough and aristocratic enough, to be culturally indistinguishable from the purely Anglo-American elite that had proceeded them. Before about 1838, when Cornelius Vanderbilt took over operation of the Staten Island Ferry, there would have been no need to consider the American elite as anything but Anglo-Saxon, or at least Anglo-Scottish, in nature. And between 1838 and about 1901, when John D. Rockefeller Jr. married Mayflower descendant Abigail Aldrich in a magnificent society wedding, that same Anglo-American elite could still consider each new German-American millionaire to be an upstart robber baron. But with the arrival of the Rockefellers as predominant philanthropists and worshippers at Riverside Church, it was pointless to pretend that they were anything but white, anglicized and Episcopal and therefore, to an America newly awash in Catholics and Jews from Eastern and Southern Europe and from Ireland, full members of the ruling elite. It is for this amalgamated ‘Anglo-Germanic’ American elite that the term WASP arose, slightly inaccurate as it is.
Now of course, this might seem like carping, especially when we know very well what Professor MacDonald is getting at. He’s not referring to cosmopolitan New York of course; he’s referring to what may well be the state with the most German-American character of all, Wisconsin, where well-to-do protestants would be far more likely to be of German descent than Mayflower descent. Still, I think the interesting history behind the most accurate use of the term WASP has much to teach us about the transitions of the American elite. The flow from Anglo-Saxon, to Anglo-Germanic, to inclusion of some Catholics and Jews, to the current wholly Jewish or Judeophilic elite, surely is the great subtext of Prof. MacDonald’s work.
It’s nice to read how Dr. MacDonald was able to shake off his philo-semitism. Too bad most other Irish Roman Catholic politicians can’t do the same.
As far as Germanics go, you have two major Germanic immigrations. The first being into colonial America and composed of Germanic Protestants fleeing Roman Catholic invasions & repressions. The second Germanic immigration is more Roman Catholic and occurs after the revolutions of 1848 in the various German states.
The colonial Germanic immigration intermarried with the English & Scotch-Irish to such a degree that to really say who is who is almost impossible? LOL.
I really enjoyed this article. I had no idea he went through such hard times at school that he had to hide in his office with the lights off!
The average, white citizen has been conditioned to see anything perceived as ‘anti Jewish’ as either associated with radical Muslims, the Hollywood depiction of a Nazi, or a pumped up, murderous skinhead (American History X).
People need to come to some sort of realization that jackbooting comments on youTube, message-boards, and blogs just cement the average person’s assumptions that anyone speaking out against Jewish influence is one of the above. A finessed approach will work much better.
Another problem we have is that blacks and Jews have enormous support, up to and including the federal government, for any hint of harassment. What we have on our side is essentially nothing; very few people will risk getting involved to help someone. The difficulty of legal action makes that futile so one is basically left with no support at all. Just one more aspect which will have to be changed if we are to succeed.
“The average, white citizen has been conditioned to see anything perceived as ‘anti Jewish’ as either associated with radical Muslims, the Hollywood depiction of a Nazi, or a pumped up, murderous skinhead (American History X).”
With what’s been taking place in the Middle East, and the abysmal failure of the decade-long, bankruptingly expensive and phoney war on terror, more Americans are taking off their blinders, recognizing the lies pawned off to them as news for years and developing a more nuanced, accurate perception of the world.
Watch for the MSM to spin it as a rise in “anti-semitism” and Islamo-fascism. (The NYT and WaPo could have given lessons to Pravda and Izvestia.)
A wonderful interview!
Though I am a good thirty years younger then Dr. Macdonald alot of what he spoke of being lost from the 1950s resonated with me. The 1980s were still pretty White Culturally so to speak. There were the John Hughes flicks, Hair metal, and also rap wasn’t really around yet. There were just more White people then as well.
The Country is really declining from where once was.
That has implications for western societies in which the age of the average white is increasing.
Great interview, can’t praise it highly enough. Kudos to Alex and Kevin for taking the time from their busy schedules.
@ Tenrek Odine: Maybe the 1980s were like the 1950s where you were – and you are lucky – but in my neck of the woods (post-modern suburb with “diversity”) it certainly was not. Busing and negrification had taken their toll. Interestingly, a lot of the Jews – and there were plenty – identified strongly as White; when ghetto Blacks want to whip your honky ass, they make little distinction between Jew and goy, in my experience. I wonder if those Jews remain White by identification today … I doubt it.
But you are certainly correct that our country was, demographically and culturally, much Whiter than now, no comparison. The late Mr Hughes – a very conservative guy, actually – couldn’t have made his great movies today; or there would have been so much “diversity” they would have been unrecognizable.
The past, even the recent past, really is another country, and the election of a new people in the USA is going along very well for our corrupt, deracinated, self-hating elites, alas.
Growing up in an affluent 99% white town in the 90s and early 2000s was somewhat interesting. They teach you about diversity, multiculturalism, and all the other rubbish but you never get a sense of what other cultures truly are like. I grew up with Anglos, Germans, Jews, Greeks, Italians, and a few Slavs and Asians, and generally speaking, my experiences with them were positive.
I didn’t know a single black student until sophomore year in high school, and he was an extremely hostile, unintelligent, and thuggish individual, always picking on the nerdy white kids and emphasizing his athletic ability. Still, I was very liberal at this time and thought little of it. When I entered college there were more black students there, and one thing I noticed about them was that they were always the last to show up for class.
During my freshman year in college during a fiction writing class one of the Hispanic students wrote a story about him beating up white racists. Also during my freshman year a black student made a comment during a political science course about how white people have always controlled the world and oppressed people, and much to my shock, the professor went on a long rant basically denouncing what she said.
It almost seems like the system is intellectually disarming European-Americans while at the same time arming minorities. European-Americans enter college with bleeding hearts and a sense of incredible guilt while blacks and hispanics enter them ready to start revolutions. The mentality seems to be that minorities can have ethnic pride without harming anyone since they are minorities, but European-Americans cannot have ethnic pride because doing so would be “oppressive.”
Of course, this is nonsense. When Europeans become a minority in America will the system allow them to have a collective ethnic identity? No, it will still be considered racist then, and the minority-majority will still be encouraged to have ethnic pride. There’s not going to be an end to the intellectual oppression of European-Americans.
Despite all this, I genuinely enjoyed growing up in the 90s, although that’s probably mainly due to where I grew up. We all tend to aggrandize our early years, as they are often the happiest, until we learn what the world is really like.
fender,
It’s not surprising that many white kids grew up well in the 1990s. Following the early ’70s alot of white Americans either put their children into private schools or moved into a mostly-white areas. (This was a direct response to forced integration/busing. The growth of suburbia makes alot of sense when you think of it in racial terms.) Today people have simply been brainwashed so much that they’ve forgotten about this and are increasingly accepting unsafe and poor performance schools as ‘normal.’ This social engineering has turned working class whites into wiggers.
Sam, We live in such a controlled environment now that if a parent dares to complain about the schools, the teachers can and do take it out on their children, report the parents to authorities, take the children away from their parents and/or drug the children.
What they have done to Dr. MacDonald looks like childs play compared to taking your children, putting them in foster care and putting you in jail.
No one can think of standing up to them without considering these potential repercussions. This whole society has gone over the edge.
Once upon a time we were simply brainwashed. Now we are violently coerced into obedience. If you can’t afford the private school this is your only option. I know of no violence greater than taking peoples children away from them and leaving the parents helpless to protect them.
I was born in 1941. My journey has been very similar.
What I have finally understood is that until and unless we stand up for our own people, we have an illusion of freedom. It is only an illusion.
It was not over-socialization that caused your feelings. You thought you were among friends in your peer group. You probably still believed in “Academic Freedom” and other such things.
You were gang raped and you had a normal reaction of shame and questioning yourself about what you should have done differently to prevent this horrible catastrophe. You found that no one cared that you were raped and some were actually amused and mocked you when you took it so hard. Others distanced themselves from you to keep from becoming the next victim.
It was the fact that you had always believed that you were included and you found that you were not and had never been included. The extent of their hatred and the extremes they are willing to go to in order to make you sit down and shut up are overwhelming at first.
They will succeed in destroying us if we don’t speak up.
When they openly attack us, then others notice that the tolerance they preach is not the tolerance they practice. In the long run their own words and attitudes will cause their failure. Their hypocrisy must be made abundantly clear to everyone.
It is hardest for us because they look like us and we have a sort of subconscious racial loyalty to protect them. You know, don’t make a bad reflection on the family kind of thing. But when we sit quietly by and allow them to treat us like this, we give tacit approval to their actions.
You must have a perfect legal case for work place harassment and racial intolerance and social injustice or whatever other words they are using today. Make a public spectacle of their actions.
Publish their emails, embarrass them, expose them. Do unto them as they do unto us.
Their emails are private only if you choose to keep them that way. Publish at least one a day along with your reply on the Observer and at the 3rd Party website and on Facebook, etc.
This is a perfect teaching opportunity.
You could do it as an instructive course in how we can defend ourselves. You are the word master. Most of us do our best to respond but we don’t have the training to do it effectively.
Suing them is legal and it is expensive. There are probably “taxpayer funds” available for such lawsuits although they would probably not be available to one of us. Find out what funds are available to us and teach us how to use their system against them the way they use it against us.
You are not the only victim. As we start standing up there will be a lot more victims.
Other people could add their own experiences, defeats and successes to the discussion.
Help us learn how to stand up to them and win.
I guess it’s the conservative in me,… my anger is amplified by a factor of 3 or 4 when this behavior is directed towards a woman. (Or maybe it’s because I have a dear family member named Elizabeth.)
As I’ve mentioned before, my wife is an academic. I’ve described her as a political chameleon – essentially an apolitical person who’ll adopt the “appropriate” political stance for any given situation. No, I’m not at all pleased with that, but given how even women can be treated when they commit the great heresy of our time, I must admit that a part of me is relieved that she’s the way she is.
I admire your courage, Elizabeth.
Thanks Jim. It took me a long time to stand up. It was not because I lacked courage but because by the time I understood the threat the opposition had gotten a lot stronger and a lot meaner.
My problem was the language barrier. My definitions of the words love, God, family, government, authority, police, soldiers, work, discipline, education, freedom, conservative, democracy, ideals, values, goals, tolerance, etc. were totally different than theirs. They were all good things to me set up to be used for my benefit and protection; not oppresive things that were set up to keep me from indulging myself in every vile way I could think up.
If I had really had a dictionary that defined their words accurately, I would have said “Stop it right now!” We all would have. But they are liars and deceivers and they mean us great harm. They take a little more each time and in the end they take it all.
One day we all will have to stand up because there won’t be any way left for us to go along to get along.
“Publish their emails, embarrass them, expose them. Do unto them as they do unto us.”
Publishing e-mails will embarass them, but once you start doing it, people will obviously stop sending them. It’s good to only start publishing e-mails once you’ve got a ton of them.
fender-strat, I think that is a great thought.
It takes the painful emotions out of it for all of us. Kevin could collect them, categorize them and come up with a choice of generic answers.
He could rate them on originality, effectiveness, source (Alinskey, etc.) and hatefulness.
Then he could give us a PDF file to use. We could simply mark boxes at the top as to type of email we recieved and which generic answer we choose to respond with and never have to write anything to them.
It would quickly become apparent that there are very few of these that are original and we need put no more thought into our answer than they did into their attack.
If one of them actually comes up with something original it can just be categorized and answered by Kevin and added to the PDF. They might even have contests to see if they ever have an original thought!!
We could even give each type an avatar for quick searches.
How fun!! If we are going to fight back, we might as well have a good time doing it. LOL
Professor MacDonald,
Do you thing being a professor at CSULB, instead of another state school of similar prestige at another state, exacerabtes the degree of the ostracism and alienation you experienced? Remember that Cal State explicitly prides itself on the “diversity” of its student body. Perhaps the milieu of CSULB is less accomodating to cultural conservatives than other comparible schools.
For instance, here are the socioeconomic views of college professors:
Table 3. Fromthis study (a working paper by Neil Gross of Harvard and Solon Simmons of George Mason)
(the numbers in each row are listed from liberal, to moderate or center-left, to conservative)
Community college_ 37.1 43.9 19.0
BA, non liberal arts_ 38.8 48.5 12.7
Liberal arts________ 61.0 35.1 3.9
Non elite, PhD_____ 44.3 51.9 3.8
Elite, PhD_________ 56.6 33.1 10.2
Total_____________ 44.1 46.6 9.3
A fantastic article. A great tribute, in a sense, and very effective. It’s important for confrontation-averse white America to understand that the reconnection to one’s white cultural heritage is not the purview of outrageous personality types (just courageous personality types, like MacDonald.) But to go off on just a bit of a tangent…
Making the 1950’s part of KM‘s story is interesting. You can pretty much determine a modern American’s world view by finding out how they feel/felt about the 1950’s. Conservatives see it as a time of promise. A well deserved respite for Americans who suffered through the Depression and WW2.
Those who portray it as a surreal horror that revolved around McCarthyism and cold war paranoia are, without exception, liberals. According to them, women of the ‘50’s were subjected to some sort of “Stepford Wives” existence, virtual slaves of their controlling husbands. The truth is, women probably found more liberation through the automatic transmission and power steering in that (really cool) ‘58 Olds than self-awareness books of the ‘70’s. (Oldsmobile had the country’s first AT in 1940, BTW.) That would go for electric washing machines and blenders, as well.
Perceptions of 1950’s reveal the small mindedness of “progressives”. They act like it was the most repressive decade of the century. Repressive as compared to WHAT? Repressive only in the microcosm of their own trivial life or world experience.
When I was a kid, I met countless people who were alive during WW1, a time when Woodrow Wilson often threw people in jail for opposing the war. I don’t mean demonstrating against it, not committing acts of civil disobedience in protest of it. Merely speaking out against it. Yet I never heard one of those people (that I met as a kid) describe THAT era as repressive.
Progressives might respond by saying that the ’50’s were ok if you were white, but not if you were black. True, blacks couldn’t sit at counters or ride in the front of the bus. Alright, let’s look at the life of blacks OUTSIDE of the US in the 1950’s. In Saudi Arabia, 20% of the population were black African slaves. This was in 1953. In central Africa, tens of millions of blacks were owned (by other blacks) as slaves. Hundreds of millions of other African blacks were starving or dying from malaria while trying to emerge from a 10th century hunter/gatherer existence.
Of course, there are a few liberals who view the ‘50’s somewhat favorably. Rosa Parks led to MLK. Or they think that Elvis somehow created a rebellion that led to the hippies or something. But to them, the 1950’s are/were, at best, a subordinate precursor to the ‘60’s.
Overall, however, I think white Christian baby boom America is ashamed when they see images of the ‘50’s…ashamed of what they made of/did to a once promising future. Unfortunately, too many try to sublimate their shame by trying to convince themselves (and the rest of us) that THIS was phony, absurd, strange and weird:
http://www.chapelhillmemories.com/uploads/Image/1950s_family_life.jpg
while THIS was normal:
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2009/08/13/arts-woodstock-584.jpg
Jim, It was a great time to grow up!! A Husband and children are the most fulfilling life any woman can have. It is what we were created for.
The Baby boomers were as much victims as we were.
Because we were raised in a time of hope and idealism and safety and amazing advances in technology, we were not prepared for the vicious, coordinated attacks against us.
They came at us from the schools. If we complained they could take our children. They came at us from the churches. If we did not go along we were told God would not approve. They came at us in the media and if we complained that it was getting too immoral, we were told to change the channel. They came at us at work and we became “human resources” instead of people. They came at us from government and no matter who we elected, the corruption grew and the new rules and regulations were intentionally set to punish those of us who worked and tried to better ourselves and rewarded laziness and immorality. They came at us with drugs and a lot of people who would never do illegal drugs were addicted by their own doctors to weight loss pills, tranquilizers, etc.
When I finally began to understand what they have done and how they have done it, it amazes and pleases me that so many of the younger generations have survived it and managed to maintain a lot of really good values and qualities. It gives me hope.
If I can help you to clean up their mess, I will.
‘Perceptions of 1950’s reveal the small mindedness of “progressives”.
That is right! There was some really great stuff going on in the ’50s. This is when the Golden Age of Science Fiction was.
Today (almost) all Sci-fi has to have Diversity shoved into it, making the stories less interesting and frankly less ‘believable’ (negro space engineers anyone?) It has just been incredibly dumbed down.
An exceptionally fine interview which has allowed me to see Kevin MacDonald in an entirely new perspective.
In reading about the 1950s, I am deeply saddened and filled with an aching nostalgia for the good old days when Americans were proud to be Americans and even the commonest man had a quiet honor and dignity.
To my mind, all this has now been lost. The country our children inhabit is in many ways a moral wasteland — a grim dystopia.
It is good to read about Kevin MacDonald’s life, his vicissitudes, and the evolution of his philosophical outlook.
I hope all goes well for Kevin in the days that lie ahead and that he he will be able to say in the end, as St Paul said: “I have fought the good fight. I have kept the faith. I have run the course.”
Prof. MacDonald states that he was supportive of the Vietnam War. Yet while others did the bleeding he stayed in the comfortable confines of Madison, Wisconsin enjoying the education provided by the taxpayers, with the assistance of those NYJ’s who all paid out-of-State tuition so that young Kevin could attend virtually for free. How does publicly supported education square with those conservative, ruggedly individualistic principles?
LOL nice try troll. Of course, you make a hateful accusation without even bothering to know the facts. You have no idea what the context was or anything else some 40+ years ago. What a jerk you are. The trolls seem to be taking a turn to the DUMB side.
Caleb New York Jews paying out of state tuition did not fund Dr. Macdonalds college career, it was most likely funded by his own parents who payed a life-time worth of taxes in that area!
If those Jews were really ‘oppressed’ by paying out of state tuition, why didn’t they just instead make aliyah to Israel and go to school there instead? hmm?
@ Caleb
Prof. MacDonald states that he was supportive of the Vietnam War. Yet while others did the bleeding he stayed in the comfortable confines of Madison, Wisconsin enjoying the education provided by the taxpayers…”
A rather cheap shot, if I may say so, that cuts no ice with those those who know their Plato and Aristotle. According to these two greatest of Greek philosophers, there is such a thing as the proper specialization of functions.
In every well-run polity, men must specialize in what they do, according to their abilities. Brain-dead morons, for example, should not write books — nor dwarfs take up high jump!
Just as the function of a knife is to cut efficiently, and leave it to spoons to slurp up soup, so it is the function of brainy people like Kevin MacDonald to do research and write books and leave it to brawny folk to fight battles.
Are you telling us that Kevin MacDonald, singularly unsuited to partaking in such displays of manly virtue as the Mai Lai massacre, should have volunteered cheerfully to have his brains blown out in Vietnam?
Fate and common sense decreed that MacDonald should make use of his talents where his talents were most needed: in writing the great trilogy of books that will serve his race far better than anythng he could have accomplished in the killing fields of Vietnam.
I’m sure it’s true that the Catholic priests were very much down on teenaged boys having sex with their girlfriends back in the 50′s. Only now we know WHY.
OK, Jason. tell me about this “context” in which MacDonald could condemn the “Jewish” antiwar movement and cheer on those unfortunates who couldn’t get a student deferment and had to go fight and die in a shameful war, all from the safety and comfort of UW’s bucolic campus.
Miriam, we say it more succinctly in my circle: “I’m a lover, not a fighter.”
btw: Your explanation is pretty much how the draft-age Bill Clinton put it in a letter to his Congressman at the time.
Joe Lieberman got not one, but two deferments from Vietnam. The difference between him and Kevin? Lieberman is currently a warmongering fanatic who loves sending young Americans out to die for Israel, and sees no hypocrisy concerning his own lack of service.
And why should he? He’s the quintessential jewish hero: a man who’s smart enough to manipulate others to die for the jews rather than risking his own neck. This is the jewish way.
Something tells me you don’t have a problem with joe’s service record, caleb.
I don’t know, Jimbo…was Joseph Lieberman one of those Let’s You And Him Fight guys? Has he asked to be congratulated as a courageous supporter of the war, while he carefully stayed out of it himself?
Neither Sen. Lieberman nor any of the neocons in the Bush-Cheney administration advised a Heavy Metal occupation of Iraq. That was the military’s own doing and it took years before the military idiots like Ray Odierno could be shaken out of the Army and replaced with smart colonels.
“Has he asked to be congratulated as a courageous supporter of the war, while he carefully stayed out of it himself?”
What on earth are you talking about? Who cares what he’s asked or not asked to be congratulated for. All that matters is that his son, Matt, didn’t go in the military either, could’ve joined up for Iraq, but didn’t. Opted for a career as a professional jew (hebrew school than lawyer) instead. Not his fault, really. It’s genetic or something.
Caleb, When you are feeling like Vietnam was a good thing look up Eugenics and Vietnam War and educate yourself.
We had a draft then and we were having a baby boom here after WWII.
We had a strong Eugenics movement that was very active. They were busy sterilizing mental patients and undesirables and running medical experiments in this country that make Guantanamo and Hitler look very tame.
My brother, who is now dead of cancer which was probably caused by Agent Orange was front line Marine Corps. Out of the 86 men who went there with him 82 died. He said they would have them fight and take a hillside and pull them back down and make them do it again the next day and the next. He went in patriotic and came back embittered. This was common practice during that war.
The best thing the 60′s crowd did was get rid of the draft.
While we were supposedly fighting the Communists there, they were busy taking over our country from the inside out. That was why Kevin was getting a hard time for supporting the war. He was doing it from a patriotic standpoint.
It would never have occured to any of us below the Elite level that our own country was setting up ways to control our population by sending our men off to get killed. It is called genocide.
We knew very little about the Eugenics movement and what we did know was sanitized the way abortion has been.
At the same time they were killing off some of our men in Vietnam they were turning others into drug addicts and doing the same to our men and women on our college campuses.
The whole thing has been a very coordinated attack. Because of the Internet, we are finally waking up.
I saw an article the other day that said our youth prefer their virtual lives over their real ones. Considering the mess we are living in, I would guess it gives them a feeling of some sort of control over a world that is becoming more insane by the day.
The truth will set us free, but first we have to stand up and face it. Until we know what we are dealing with we are at their mercy and they have no mercy.
Elizabeth, which Communists took over our country from the inside during the Vietnam War? Richard Nixon? Ronald Reagan?
If we still had the draft, we would not be involved in a futile struggle in Afghanistan nor be paying military contractors billions in Iraq. But we would probably have to draft women, which the country isn’t ready for, if we brought back conscription so it isn’t going to be.
What gives you the idea that I think the Vietnam War was a good thing? We lost 55,000 men attempting to defend the artificial entity called South Vietnam. How many US soldiers have died defending the State of Israel?
Caleb, I never once said the Vietnam war was in any way a good thing. I just said that trashing the poor men who were drafted into a war that was basically for the purpose of eliminating large portions of our American white population and apparently the North Vietnamese population is the wrong thing to do. They didn’t choose to go, they were forced. They suffered at the hands of their own government and at the hands of their own people when they returned.
I had a brother-in-law who did enlist and went to the Air Force Academy. He flew an atomic bomb for years. We stayed up all night debating it one night. He said we were in the war in Vietnam to stimulate the economy. I said there must be a better way to stimulate the economy than trying to get my brother killed. I asked him how he would feel if he really did drop the bomb. Could he live with himself. He said he could. Shortly after that though he got a transfer and began flying an EcomCon which he told me only interferred with radar.
The people who sent us to the war were the same ones that claim that every war we have ever had including our own civil war was instigated by them. Look it up. They are proud of it.
I personally see no reason of any kind for us to be fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan or any of the 26+- other countries we are currently in. By sending our jobs overseas they have created an environment where the military is the only opportunity for employment some people seem to have anymore.
Our politicians sold out to the warmongers before I was born. They send our men and our money to war for bribes that are not even very large. Pennies on the dollar you might say.
We were never defending South Vietnam. As soon as the powers that be got whatever it was they wanted they pulled our troops out of S. Vietnam and let the devil take the hindmost. The same could be said for Korea I am sure.
As far as I know all of our wars have been fought for Israel and at last count something like 70 million whites have died for them.
They have a country that has cost us an awful lot. It should be a paradise on earth but, like everything else they touch, it is just another version of hell.
Some how I don’t see their New World Order as being anything better. If they can’t create something great on a scale as tiny as Israel and run it right with all the money in the world, what will they do on a large scale?
“…All of our wars have been fought for Israel.” That’s pretty wild, Elizabeth. Would that include the Civil War? It would have to since you’d have to include all the dead from both North and South to bring the total killed in ALL our wars up to just around one million. [Not one of whom died defending the State of Israel, established in 1948.]
Israel is not a perfect country. On the other hand they haven’t had one president in office for the last 31 years, kept there by a series of sham elections like that place (starts with ‘E’) that’s been in the news recently. It’s those Arab oil states that have all the money in the world, not tiny Israel.
Wilhelmine Germany was a democracy, Tsarist Russia was not, did we fight on the wrong side in WW! ? No, whether a country is a democracy or not really doesn’t matter, in the final analysis geopolitical considerations trump all the rhetoric.
Israel with its pieds noirs and succession of former generals as PM is ruled by the ideology of military Zionism. It will increasing be seen as an Apartheid state by US liberals and the most educated young Israelis will leave for the US. (It was the emigration of the educated young which led SA to abandon Apartheid.)
The white liberals are going to destroy white countries but they’ll take Israel down with them in the end.
Caleb thinks the Halliburton Company was behind the Iraq war, ‘for the oil’.
@ Elizabeth
I share your concerns and the happenings here in the US. I came the first time to the US in the very late 60tis and raised a couple of kids in the 70tis here. What you discribed is so true, and was my observation also. But it hit me then and there, call it a very “severe culture shock”, because I had the comparison to my own culture. It was a racial war zone here, and not at all a peaceful, Christian America, or a friendly America. I had never lived among, or grew up into adulthood, with so much hostility against whites, in such a “constant war zone”. I had to go home every now and then, so I could recover and feel like a “human being” again, because I was made to feel like I was an animal, not welcomed, hated and despised, a monster. (encluding my inlaws)
I totaly can relate to Kevin MacD. Besides being called a Nazi, a Kraut, Hitlers Granddaughter, a WASP, and worse, the list goes on. I was an early Teen when JF Kennedy came to Frankfurt-Germany talking to us as though we were “FRIEND’s”. In Berlin – ich bin eine Berliner if anyone can remember. I found out different. I realized in my first few years here that something was terribley wrong in this country. The ignorant, the lazy, the criminals, a severe lawlessness, the rich, the poor, culture clashes, those of various colors and races etc. were getting all the break’s, education, the ghetto came to the white clean schools, racial integration, spanish speaking preferred or a must to get a job, and if you were white and European, english speaking, or another European Language, you can stand in line and you “stood alone”. What were once high achieving schools here are now low performing schools with a lot of government aid etc.
Being of German/ Prussian descent made things even worse for me. In the Movie’s you were depicted as being stupid, although l enjoyed a better education then my kids got here. You have to be rich, or belong to a minority group to go to college here. In Germany anyone with good grades can, and you do not leave College with a debt.
I can’t even begin to describe how severely beaten I felt as a “White Person” in this Country. I did not find America to be the greatest Country in the world. I saw and experienced the worse America has to offer. I never had a chance. I could only focus on my kids, and made sure that they don’t become victims in this madness.
Don’t let it happen to you. Own your white culture, Irish, Dutch, German or what ever. Bind yourselfs together where ever you can with others.
Don’t buy into guilt trips, if you have none to be guilty or be responsible for. That is what is bringing this country and the white race down. Here and in Europe. Whether the slaughter of the Indians, Slavery or the Holocaust. It is constantly being whiped and held over our heads.
We can learn from the mistakes of the past by others, but we are not responsible for the past, owe, or indebted to anyone in the past. ***We are responsible for our own Generation***.
And Kevin MacD, it appears to me, is just doing that. I bought his book, but I have not read it yet.
Fight the good fight for sanity in this country, and Elizabeth, yes bring all the abuses to light. I would’nt even know where to begin, they were so many, terrifying and coupled with severe loses. They will hate you/ us, because we stand for something.
But I discovered it did not destroy me, it made me stronger, more clear and determined to do something about it. Though I may disagree with some here on this blog at times, I hope we can disagree agreeably, without hostility. Constructive dialogue is still a humane tool to recognize our differences without injury. Let us use it intelligently .
I am part German, Irish, and French. My Grandfather was German and he was drafted and had to go fight in the Black Forest in Germany against his own people there or be killed by his own people here…. How does that work? I never really understood until recently what he must have gone through. We were the unfortunate recipients of the Jews from Germany and from Russia and they hate the white Christians more than anyone else and set out to destroy us.
The slave trade was run by Blacks and Jews. They slave trading places were closed on Jewish holidays, not Christian ones.
We didn’t have a country until 1776 and we inherited the slaves. It would be hard to know how to handle it. There was a lot going on at the time.
The Indians are still here and still have their own nation within our nation and their casinos are doing pretty good.
The Holocaust was certainly small in relation to what they did to the Russians and Europe.
I am glad that you see it and are standing up.
These are the discussions we need to have. Let’s talk.
European: how much income tax do rich people pay in Germany? Is there a system of health care for EVERYONE provided by the government? Do candidates standing for the **Bundestag** need to raise millions from wealthy donors–who expect something in return?
Elizabeth, you say “the Jews” ran the slave trade. You and Farrakhan ought to get together, got a lot in common.
A little while ago you claimed the Jews (Rothschilds) were behind the US Civil War which **ended** the slave trade with the institution of chattel slavery. I think you need to have a discussion with yourself!
btw: American G.I.’s didn’t do any fighting in the Black Forest. Maybe you mean the **Huertgen** Forest?
Caleb – we say it more succinctly in my circle: “I’m a lover, not a fighter.”
Those are a good example of the 60′s words that seemed very different than they were. Being a 50′s teenager, I thought that meant that you would like to get to know someone, see if they were marriage material and wait until you were married to have sex.
What they meant was ” I don’t want to know anything about you. I want sex with a warm body instead of my blow up doll this time.”
Sorry, Elizabeth, though it probably does date from the early sixties the phrase means something completely different.
Some men win a girl by fighting for her while others, well…they offer love, love and more love.
[Hurry up and catch this answer before KM's KGB censors move in.]
That is what it did mean in the 60′s. Sex seems to be very impersonal to a lot of people now. Many would have sex with someone they would never have as a casual friend. Feelings are hurt, hearts are broken and isolation grows.
@ Caleb
“Hurry up and catch this answer before KM’s KGB censors move in.”
Ooops, I gave that comment of yours an uptick by mistake! Sorry about that…
Kevin:
I was unlucky enough to go to public schools during the late 70s when Feminism was all the rage. We young girls were told that fulfillment was to be found in the workplace competing with men, not via housewifery and motherhood — where were openly mocked and scorned.
I cannot think of a more vile, hateful, evil message to send to young White girls.
We were to worship the pill, abortion and mindless, nihilistic sex. God was dead. The only Bible we needed was The Population Bomb (which was required reading in one of my high school classes and two college courses). The utterly amoral Fear of Flying was a guidebook as to how we should conduct our Godless lives.
There was no escaping this message of a husbandless, houseless, childless existence. If a female were to find herself pregnant there were only two options: immediate abortion or government day care; children only got in the way according to the feminine zeitgeist of the times.
Results? The cruel fruit of this evil lie bore an entire generation of older females, alone, childless, husbandless the fulfillment of a “full” and “satisfying” life in the workplace a bitter disappointment.
And, the ultimate and main goal of the elite masters, a White birth rate far below replacement level.
Kudos on a wonderful article. Memories of Madison is my absolute favorite essay, perfectly capturing the Zeigeist of the 60s. I keep it on my hard drive and read and refer to it often.
Very good, Boudicca.
But those memories should include solid, union jobs that paid well enough so wives could stay at home and raise families and strong unions that would demand a twenty percent pay raise for every single employee the day after some corporate CEO raised his own compensation by twenty percent.
You also should remember an income tax rate of ninety percent for the top earners.
Caleb, The problem with the union jobs is that it is really a form of trafficking in human labor. They are Communist controlled slavery. They give you the right to work or not and if they decide the answer is “not”, you starve.
In the 50′s we did not have someone else controlling us as much as you do now and we came up with so many new things and ideas and ways of being.
The communists do not want us to think or to be free or to have families or any resources other than government. That is totalitarianism.
I don’t think most of you ever saw what we got a brief glimpse of in the 50′s. Our future did look so bright we had to wear shades.
They clamped down on us fast and brought every weapon to bear that they could. We are their biggest danger. If we stop fighting their wars and refuse to give them the fruit of our labor, their game is over. That is why they are sending our jobs and our money overseas as fast as they can.
If they go with them, it is worth it. We will rebuild. They only know how to destroy.
Elizabeth, your memories are, shall we say, rather selective. You may be retirement age but what about the next generation?
Do you like the idea of Fortune 500 companies laying off thousands of American workers so they can do their hiring in India, China, Malaysia, Brazil?
The only investments they’re making here is buying Senators and members of Congress!
An intelligent and candid comment, Boudicca.
It is not often I have the pleasure of reading the opinion of a woman who is prepared to be as honest and truthful as you have just been.
I am qualified to compliment you in this way, as I clearly remember the 1970s (with its loud arrival of Radical Feminism) all too well.
@ Boudicca,
what you say is all true. I got the same responses then. The 70 were hell in America for any decent white woman.
And Caleb, lay off the sarcastic questioning and answers. You are not interested to want to know, and look at what realy was. You will defend your version, make light of, or less, for what the times realy were for decent woman and family in the US. If you want to live in denial that is OK, but the road to recovery is acknowledgement of what went wrong. Learn to live with it, we are speaking out.!!!!!
Mac used to smoke weed! lol
is this to help you think outside the box?
nice car
Excellent interview! I love hearing more about the man behind the books. I like his candor regarding his liberal years. I was once a liberal/libertarian too (product of Boasian school of anthropology) and it is very encouraging to know that even the smartest people in the movement were duped by Jewish propaganda. I am very happy to know we are not unique. Perhaps we are all just a little ahead of the zeitgeist.
Caleb, My Grandfather fought for the union in Akron OH at Firestone. When my husband had the opportunity to join the union and make a lot more money, I asked my Grandfather about it. He said that when he fought for the union they were making $1 a day and a day was from sunrise to sunset which was around 14 hours in the summer. He said that you need some balance, but once the unions got power they became as corrupt as the Capitalists ever were.
My husband did join the AFL-CIO in CA and worked there 4 1/2 years. About the time his pension would vest he found he could no longer get work. Of course, they kept his pension money. They called strikes when the union bosses wanted them and not because the workers did. The raise the workers got would seldom make up for their time out of work from the strike.
Inflation ate all the raises anyway.
One thing I found out that was interesting is that the difference in the amount of money you make in any given area of the U. S. is made up for by the cost of housing in that area.
Union workers are soon going to discover that their pensions were spent a long time ago. They were invested in the same trust account our Social Security funds were. Why do you think 401 K’s and other investment accounts are taking such a beating? It was a Ponzi scheme and the game is up.
I am thinking that the absolute best thing we can do is buy American. I am making a conscious effort to do that more and more.
I care more about the younger generations than I do about my own life at this point. I am willing to take the chance of putting myself on the line for them. I want them to have the opportunity to live their lives fully and not just be cattle to be milked and sheep to be sheared for the benifit of the Masters of the Universe.
Yes, 401k’s have lost much value due to the bursting of the stock market bubble.
THANK GOD Bush and the Republicans were thwarted in their plans to privatize Social Security.
Yes, the unions were in some ways their own worst enemy. Their public and media relations were terrible! And in those parts of the economy where they still predominate–like in civil service and local government–they have been a negative factor. All the same, it was a strong labor movement that made America a middle class society. Without it, we’re a third world country.
Caleb:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but from reading your comments it seems like you just stumbled on this site and have this place mixed up with Free Republic or some other generic conservative site. I hate to break it to you, but not all of us here are right-wingers, and I definitely don’t think you’re going to find many people here who are going to defend “Bush and the Republicans”. Most of us also share your concerns about the worsening economic conditions for middle class White people. (Obviously I can only really speak for myself, but I don’t think many people here will say they are thrilled about the middle class being wiped out.)
Maybe you should chill out and read a little more. And let me ask you: do you think the economic situation for White Americans will improve as we become a minority in this country? Do you think we will have much ability to improve our situation politically or economically while a hostile Jewish elite dominates nearly all of our major institutions? (If you dispute that Jews are hostile, or that they form a dominant elite in America, then you definitely need to do some more reading.) You might have more common ground with us than you think.
I think Jews are like anyone else, “hostile” to those who are hostile to them. Alleging that Jews are not white, that’s pretty hostile right there and scientifically inaccurate. Genetic studies have shown that Ashkenazi Jews are “whiter”, more European, than many other white ethnics in the US population.
If white Americans can’t measure up, if it is they who require special concessions and assistance- -Affirmative Action, in other words- -then they do not deserve to remain in charge.
Jews obviously self-identify as a group separate from White Europeans.
Huh? Which studies are these?
It’s funny. Jews practice brazen ethnic nepotism, but then any suggestion that Whites do the same and somehow it means that we don’t “measure up”.
But anyway, if you feel this way, then why do you complain about the middle class getting a raw deal? I mean, if they can’t “measure up” and make enough money, then screw ‘em, right?
As to the genetic studies, I, start with this one
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/12/jews-intermediate-between-middle.html
So racial antisemitism is the fault of the Jews for their “self-identifying”? Can there not be a separate group that still is of the same “race”? Even Hitler’s racial “scientists” had to concede that Jews did not all look alike–though they hastened to assure the **Fuehrer** that all Jews thought alike.
You treat white people and middle class as synonymous terms. Maybe (lucky you!) you’ve never met any low-class whites. I, myself have met Asians, lots of them, who I would much rather have as neighbors than the semi-literate losers who post under various names here.
The page says quite clearly: “Jews intermediate between Middle Eastern and European populations”
Before, you wrote:”Genetic studies have shown that Ashkenazi Jews are “whiter”, more European, than many other white ethnics in the US population. ”
So your previous claim would appear to have a real problem, unless you are counting Middle Easterners as “White ethnics”.
The problem with Jews is their behavior. Whether you want to call them non-White, or rather a peculiar subset of Whites, is not very important. It’s obvious that they are a genetically distinct group from their host populations in all cases.
No, you just missed my obvious point, which is that if we apply what you wrote about Whites to the middle class (of whatever race), then we should conclude that they deserve to be screwed over if they can’t “measure up”, isn’t that right?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before, but by this point it’s pretty clear that you’re just a troll. So you can have the last word in this little debate, I’m not really interested in further conversation with you.
Boo-hoo, ‘I’ don’t want to play no more.
Well, here is my final word. That white skin confers some automatic priority is not a sustainable idea. I’m all for helping folks stay in the middle class but racism isn’t the way.
Since you mention it, Middle Eastern immigrants and their descendants unquestionably are regarded as white, like Ralph Nader and Danny Thomas. But my point was that Greeks, Southern Italians and Sicilians have often an appreciable African element in their haplotype yet who questions their whiteness?
If you would like to mix more with Jewish people, I’m sure it could be done. Why don’t you start a “take a Jew to lunch” campaign? As far as other behavior goes, I hope you and those close never have need of the things he has wrought, but I would not trade one Robert Langer for a hundred MacDoodles and you can tell him I said so- -always presuming he isn’t you and ALL the screen names. Try this for “behavior”…
http://www.engineeringchallenges.org/cms/7124/7264.aspx
On the subject of unions I strongly recommend Hitler’s Mein Kamfp. His description of Communists taking over the unions in order to destroy them seems very apt looking at union history here. For that matter Hitler had quite a lot to say on the whole subject of racial preservation, and anyone who hasn’t read the book certainly should.
Before anyone starts calling me a Nazi, let me say I have very little use for government at all and none for dictatorships. But nevertheless the man had a lot to say.
Thanks for the advice, awake. It’s definitely on my To Do list.
Really? Can’t you trolls be a bit more creative?
I think of “us” as white European Christians and I would include the Germans and the Russians who died in the wars that we were involved in. There are now a lot of white Europeans who are no longer Christian but at the time of the those wars there were a lot of us. We are almost gone now. Most whites are too “educated” to believe in God anymore.
Yes that would include the Civil War where 600,000 died. Rothschild intended to divide the US in half and give it to two of his sons. 1/2 to go with Canada and the other 1/2 with Mexico. It didn’t work out but it cost us a lot of money and blood. Russia saved us from disaster then and we paid them back by going to war with them later.
Eleven million were killed in WWI and 59 million in WWII.
Search ” Rothschilds wars” and just start reading things. Make up your own mind. From what I can find, they seem to consider war to be a great money making enterprise and as a bonus they get Christians to kill each other.
They do great propaganda though and we are all convinced we are doing the “right thing” at the time and it is for them.
This is one of their sites about creating the state of Israel starting in 1799 that you might find interesting
http://www.herzl.org/english/timeline.aspx
See if you find any pattern to their thinking.
Again Elizabeth you are right in many ways. I for one, as a youngster being raised Christian with Missionaries coming and going to the US, I thought often why we were killing each other in these last two wars. I read German letters, in a religion class (grade-school) from soldiers in WWI, who were Christians and coming together with the French and British over Christmas singing x-mas carols in the trenches, untill a British commander found out and broke the assembly up, so they can kill each other the next day. Soldiers then only did what the government told them to do. Often they had no personal grievances with the other Nations people. It can make you sick.
There is an audio on top of this web to the right about social psychology. Listen to it if you get a chance. Maybe people were alot like ants, and bumble bees, all for the queen, or all for the Kaiser or Hitler, the Jews are no different, they sacrifice their own too for their Zionism. Rabbi Kook states that the European Jewry had to be sacrificed for Zionism. They saved and pulled out the Rabbi’s from the European countries before hand, since it all was forseen by them. Some stayed with their flock and died too. One for all, and all for One. Think of the “One for all” (Jesus), that is classic christian, all for One (God) is classic jewish. They belong together but reject each other.
I rather liked the marijuana part.
Way to go KMD.
Thanks to Mr. Kurtagic and Professor MacDonald for this interview. It filled in some blanks for me. Good questions and thoughtful, expansive answers.
I have a couple of points I’d like to raise about what I have read.
One of the statements contained within the questions asked of Professor MacDonald by Mr. Kurtagic was the following:
“From being a philosopher, to being a musician, to being a scientist… these are big qualitative leaps. To some, on the surface, this may bring to mind multiple personality disorder.”
“…multiple personality disorder”?!?
How could a shift in interest from what I’ve always thought of as an inexact, poetic/faux-mathematical field of study like philosophy to the pursuit of a musical career, playing Audible Art on a real mechanical/mathematical device, to finally arriving at the other end from Seeing-what-we-want/expect-to-see to Seeing-what-is by becoming immersed in the Scientific Method be construed as anything other than the natural and gentle evolution of a curious, intelligent and creative mind moving on from an artistic search for truth to a scientific one? Music IS mathematics writ large, is it not?
I have no trouble recognizing the natural evolutionary curve that ties together these three inter-connected fields of study. There’s nothing in this switch of interests to suggest a “multiple personality disorder”. Instead, I would suggest they are a prime indicator of a healthy and active mind.
The second point I would like to make is that I unreservedly agree with Shunned’s comments I have excerpted below:
“I have seen the headlining photo elsewhere recently (OO blog, perhaps) and I didn’t like it there, either. Prof. MacDonald has always struck me as a kind, avuncular person, has certainly been so in a few emails I have exchanged with him over the years, and that is precisely the image of him that we should be projecting; it is the best defense against the absurd attempts to make a monster of him. This photo, with its garish colors and ray-gun eyes, dehumanizes him.
That raises another point. Each instance in which he is referred to as a monster, or anything like that, should be couched in referential language, eg not ‘you went from being a scholar to a monster,’ but ‘you went from being taken seriously as a scholar to being portrayed as a monster’ (my example, not your exact text).”
Both of Shunned’s perceptive and pointed opinions cannot be repeated and/or emphasized enough!
In today’s “distorted-to-the-point-of-unreality” marketplace of ideas the visual cues we use are as important, if not more important than the text. Professor MacDonald, as a student of psychology, must be aware of this.
The image at the top of the page is a great photo but it sends the wrong message here. It is not an image likely to win over the weary or suspicious, but it is an image whose “meaning” can be easily distorted by Professor MacDonald’s enemies.
Also, Shunned’s advice about using referential language in his following statement, “Each instance in which he is referred to as a monster, or anything like that, should be couched in referential language, eg not ‘you went from being a scholar to a monster,’ but ‘you went from being taken seriously as a scholar to being portrayed as a monster’ (my example, not your exact text)” is very good advice, indeed.
I will be editing my future comments keeping his/her sensible strategies in mind.
I agree with Elizabeth!
We must learn about ALL the tools available to defend ourselves; our instinctive need for self-preservation must kick-in!
We must recognize that our nations have been highjacked by the enemy: Media, finance, and Government. They are in colusion to wipe out our culture, traditions, heritage, and gene pool! Our identity is being demonized, and as a replacement we are forced to accept an imitation culture developed by social engineers utilizing propaganda delivered by schools, Universities, media, and advertisements. These are the same social engineers that rose out of corporate Marketing firms that now fix our elections. The talmudic Jews are principle elements of this global elite. Did you notice the ethnicity of the financers who marched into the White House to demanded our 700 billion dollars? Did you notice who the neo-cons were who manipulated us into the criminal war against the Iraqis. The first thing we did there was build a pipeline from the Iraqi oil fields to Israel. Have you noticed that all of Hollywood and the book publishers are owned by Jews, and they censor the stories we receive?
Our news represses information on Black and East Indian rapes of White women. Do you know about the massive rape and pimping of white girls, and I mean children, by Haitians; they even brand their victims on the bum with a hot iron to show possesion. In Britain, Gang rape of white children by Asians (East Indian) is rampant , and the government is more concerned about repressing public knowledge of this horror. This must be happening everywhere.
We must protect our women and children from this evil enemy that is seeking our distruction!
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Unfortunately what plays well within white nationalism’s environs is largely counter productive for making that breakthrough into the wider culture. If 90% of current white nationalists quit in disgust but we gain 10% of the white population then that is a price worth paying many times over. Actually it would be a ideal situation if those who can not adapt were to quit, in practice they are going to have to be excluded.
Nationalist’s with presentational issues that alienate the mass of average whites are going to have to be replaced, as are individuals who express a viewpoint which brings nationalism into disrepute. TOO’s moderating policy ought to be leading the way in establishing the ground rules for credible nationalist debate.
The problem is that a big part of mass appeal is appearing in high social status mass media, which is not possible for us at the present time. There is no way to compete with MSNBC and Fox News in the eyes of most people. I think it’s better to focus on what will appeal to intelligent, independently-minded people, which will probably be very different from what would appeal to the masses.
Another issue is that determining what will appeal to the masses and what will put them off is not necessarily intuitive. Movements with a unique, radical image are often successful, and movements that aim to not offend anyone are often perceived as bland and generic. Look at the success of the Nazis in 1930s Germany, or the 1960s counterculture here in the US for some examples of successful radical movements.
Someday said: “TOO’s moderating policy ought to be leading the way in establishing the ground rules for credible nationalist debate.”
You might want to reconsider because if TOO did what you want them to do, your voice would never be heard from again.
Are you Christian Europeans aware that you are adhering to a semitic religion that is no less Jewish than Judaism itself? This is what I don’t get about these kinds of white nationalists: they want a purely European culture that is centered around the fables, morals, and literature of the Hebrews. Does no one see the absurd contradiction here?
If you are of European descent, Christianity is not your religion. That’s the brutal, unpleasant truth. How many Englishmen, Russians, Irish, Germans, Italians, Swedes, or Poles had a hand in conceiving Christianity? None, because Christianity was conceived almost entirely by Jews. Jews who had a hatred of the “pagan” religions of Greece, Rome, and the rest of Europe. When you worship Christianity, you unknowingly worship Judaism, it’s as simple as that.
That’s pretty much just the opposite of what Thomas Jefferson, radical sects like Unitarians, and modern dan brown type atheists say. They go on and on about how Christianity is a pagan religion masquerading as the religion of the ancient Hebrews.
Wrt your point, you don’t know enough about Church history. John Chrysostom, St. Basil, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Gregory Nazianzus, St. Athanasius, St. Ambrose of Milan, et al were all Europeans.
It’s true that Christianity elevates the prophets and kings of the Old Testament, but if you’re really paying attention, it does not say that one must worship Judaism. Go listen to a sermon at a Greek or Russian church someday.
Christianity is the religion of the Gentiles (Europeans). They are the ones who spread it all over the world.
The Jews hate Christ and everything He teaches. I have spent the last 19 years immersed in studying Christianity. Before that, I had been totally confused by what was called Christianity. I have only become aware of the Jewish control of the world in the last couple of years.
This battle has been going on for around 2,000 years and the funny thing is the Christians don’t even want to fight. We believe that everyone’s purpose in being here is to decide what they believe and it is not something that can or ever should be forced on anyone. Everyone has a God given right and a responsibility to choose who they will believe.
Christian churches were taken over by Jews long ago. They started it immediately upon the death of Christ. The New Testament has a lot of warnings about that very thing. Jews prepare the materials for the Christian Bible Studies and Sunday School lessons. I know that because they brag about it in their own writings and their websites. They own the book publishing companies and the media. The History Channel makes a huge effort to distort Christianity and Christ. You would think they were taking their information directly from the Talmud.
Martin Luther wasn’t trying to start a new sect, he was trying to get the Jewish teachings out of the Catholic Church. He was very clear about what needed to be changed to take it back to actual Christianity.
When I started studying, I had so much misinformation about what a Christian is that I am amazed I was drawn to study it at all. I can’t go to church because I see what they are doing and I don’t want to upset and confuse them and I can’t accept the Judaization of their churches. For instance the 10 Commandments are the Jewish law. Christian Gentiles are saved by grace and the Jewish laws do not apply. Our behaviour is to actually be what would be called the spirit of the law and therefore is not subject to the law because the law can only govern physical actions and not the hearts desire. A true Christian holds to a higher standard than the law.
The reason the Prophets are elevated is because they were Jews and the Jews dominate what is taught. The Prophets foretold Christ’s coming but they were not Christians because Christ had not come yet.
Jewish teachings have taken over our schools and government and media. it should not come as a surprise to you that they have taken over our churches. What they cannot destroy, they corrupt.
Christianity is the focal point of their hatred and if it is as negligible as you have come to believe, it would not be. I talked to my Aunt almost every day for 2 years before she died and she hated Christians. She knew I was one. I always just let it go. One day towards the end, I asked her after one of her vitriolic attacks, what she thought a Christian was and she stopped and thought and said, “I think they are good people trying to do the right thing.” That doesn’t really seem like a recipe for being hated so much. I just know we are hated and accept it without being upset.
Look around you. People can believe any other thing in this world and the Jews will support them and protect them. If a person really believes in Christ, they will ridicule them, take their children away, humiliate them and at every opportunity they will imprison Christians or kill them. They say so, not me. That actually was a big factor in what finally convinced me that I was on the right track. If I believed in the zodiac, witchcraft, gods and goddesses or was simply an atheist, no one would care.
The sad thing is that white Europeans are being attacked all over the world because of the Christians and so many don’t even have the consolation of believing in Christ. It doesn’t even matter if the Europeans renounce Christianity, they might be Crypto Christians.
Jews hate Christ and Christianity for emotional reasons, not logical ones. Christianity spun out of control and became a source of goy power against Jews; in that regard, Christianity backfired on them and helped unite the people of Europe under a single ideology, but those days are long gone. If the Jews were more logical they’d realize that Christianity keeps many goy dumbed down and servile to them, and would try to keep it alive rather than destroy it.
There’s a reason why Nietzsche called Christianity “the revenge of the Jews on the Gentiles.” The Romans ravaged the Jews in the Roman-Jewish wars, and the Jews got their revenge by polluting Rome with their religion of Christianity. Roman morals and religious ideas were replaced by Hebrew morals and religious ideas. Not long after, Rome was destroyed from spirital decay and foreign aggression. Sound familiar?
Yes they create what they call ‘golems’ that turn around and attack THEM in the end!
Another one would be Jewish Bolshevism. Jews took over Russia, they got over-confident and Stalin managed to slip in and skillfully play Jew vs. Jew until Stalin was the last one standing. When firmly ensconced in Power Stalin then did the very wise thing of launching some very needed anti-Zionist campaigns against the ‘rootless cosmopolitans’ ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot#Background )
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I think one thing we can do at this stage is stay pretty much away from negative comments about other races and concentrate on getting our own act together. We need to develop means of helping our own to grow. Crude comments about other races may gain some fans, but they won’t be the kind we need and we will alienate many others. I really would like to see much more discussion from this angle.
“I really would like to see much more discussion from this angle.”
So would I, Whiteawake.
Whiteawake and arthurdecco,
Reasoned discussion has its place. We have been using it in this country since 1776.
As an experiment why don’t you take a suitcase full of Christian Bibles to Israel, stand on a street corner and pass them out and suggest they consider Christ and then find a nice Jewish girl and propose to her and let me know what kind of reasoned discussion occurs.
The ADL and SPLC set the standard for race relations and religious and racial diversity and equality in our country. Let me know what you find the standard to be in theirs?
Then we can have a reasoned discussion.
I think part of the reason Jews are so angry with prof. MacDonald is not only what he says but also that he says it in an intellectual way as a tenured professor with all the prestige that this implies.We goyim are supposed to be stupid and gullible ,easily to be manipulated by the clever Jews.Jews have studied our minds thoroughly in order to control us while they completely exploit us and ultimately destroy us(their Utopia).Those of the goyim who rebel against Jewish overlordship are usually depicted as boorish louts not to be taken seriously.Now here comes a man, intelligent and well educated, who makes a thorough study of Jewish destructive behaviour in a way that cannot be gainsaid and whose work is widely read.On top of that he is a professor with tenure who cannot be removed by Jewish intrigues.Goyim intellectuals are,just like goyim politicians,only “tollerated” by the Jews as long as they cooperate with the destruction of their own people.To do the opposite is a sure way to evoke the wrath of Jahweh’s Chosen Mafia.
Caleb:
The Shocking Jewish Role in Slavery I: What Jewish Historians Say
The Shocking Jewish Role in Slavery II: What the Media Say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUE0si2llTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDmdjC34wSk
Point out where Mr. Duke is wrong.
For Elizabeth:
General Patton Discovered the Truth
http://tinyurl.com/3alo3yy
Boudicca, I guess I’ve seen it all now. Imagine, the Imperial Klan Wizard himself (from his home somewhere in Austria) shedding tears over the sufferings of black folks! And making common cause with the Nation of Islam, formerly known as the Black Muslims. Can’t they see he’s one of their “blue-eyed white devils”? [Considering the role of Moslem Arabs in the African slave trade even to present day I scarcely think Farrakhan is in a position to condemn anyone, but pass that for the moment.]
This is a great lesson in how to lie with statistics, how to pluck things out of context, how to use false logic. An example of the last: “New England slave traders operated out of Newport, Rhode Island in colonial times. Newport has one of the first Synagogues built in the American colonies. Therefore, Jews ran the New England slave trade.”
Most Americans are unaware that before the Civil War most of the US’ miniscule Jewish population lived in the South. [Louis G. Brandeis the first Jew appointed to the US Supreme Court was born in Kentucky.] They blended easily into Southern society being mainly prosperous merchants, and like other Southern families of that class they kept a few household slaves. By the start of the Civil War, 1/4 of all Southern families owned at least one slave. [Duke distorts this by quoting a misleading statistic about the **entire** US population, most of which was concentrated in the abolitionist North.]
Slave trading was a legal business in the antebellum South. Some Jews were in the trade and some others invested in it. But by their very numbers it was impossible that Jews predominated in the trade. That slave ships had Jewish crews is a complete fantasy. Even the Spanish and Portuguese Sephardic Jews did not go to sea, except as passengers.
Most misleading of all is the implication that Jews worldwide are engaged in some conspiracy to enslave others. Can anyone believe that the Ashkenazi Jews of the German principalities or the Russian Empire back in the early 1700′s knew anything about what a few Sephardics were doing, as individuals, half a world away?
Caleb believe it or not lots of White folks are capable of getting along with Black Nation of Islam types.
When I lived in San Francisco and worked with some NOI guys from Oakland we got along great because we all knew the score regarding the Jews and would spend time talking about the Jewish Conspiracy.
Let us unite to free the world!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-green-brown_alliance
Terek, I’m real glad to know the Aryan Brotherhood and the Muslims are getting together to confront the real enemy: the Mexican Mafia.
You were there in the audience when Johnny Cash recorded that “Live at Folsom Prison” album. right? Must have really kicked a–!
David Duke? Among his supporters Muslims actually outnumber Christians.
Caleb,
I was 12, almost 13 when my Grandfather told me about being in the Black Forest in Germany. He seldom talked to me directly except to say “Yes.” or “There’s no sense in it.” There was no argument. If he said no he meant no.
The only two times I remember him actually telling me something personally were the two instances that have come up in discussions with you – the union and the war.
What I remember is that TV was pretty new then and my Grandparents had one. No one was watching sports at the moment and I had turned on an Alan Ladd war movie. After awhile my Grandpa looked me in the eye and said, “ I was in the Black Forrest in Germany and we had to cross it in the rain. The first day we walked but the mud became deeper and deeper. We began to crawl and for 6 weeks we crawled in the mud and in the rain. Somewhere along the way I became an animal and not a man and the only thing I could think about was just putting one knee in front of the other. Don’t let anyone ever tell you that there is any glory in war.”
I was totally imprinted!! Here was my Grandpa that I looked up to and he was telling me that he had been reduced to the level of an animal just trying to survive. It did not occur to me to ask why it took so long to cross the Black Forest or if he was certain it was the Black Forrest or if the weather conditions were normal for that time of the year or what the composition of the soil was that caused the mud to be so deep or if the rain stopped for a day or two once in awhile. I never heard him mention the war any other time. The movie must have grated on him enough to make him talk about it. I turned it off and have never glorified war.
It was that same summer when he told me about fighting for the union and then the union later becoming as corrupt as the factory owners had been. His disappointment was evident that standing up for what he believed was right and even risking his life for it and then discovering eventually that it was no better than what he had fought against. Just another variation. When I read Animal Farm, I remembered that my Grandpa had already told me that.
We moved away shortly after that. My Grandpa was not a story teller or a talker. There was no discussion when he told me those two things. I don’t know if he was a Christian or what he believed about God. He was kind and a man of very few words. I can’t recall him ever physically touching me, but I can tell you those two instances when he bared his soul to me touched my soul in so many ways and have made such a difference in my life.
I learned that sometimes the only thing you have left is the ability to keep putting one knee in front of the other and to keep moving forward when you don’t even know if you will survive. Just do it.
I learned that when I stand up for something it will be a consequence of what I understand at the time, where I am and part of a process but not to expect Utopia. Just do it.
I learned to respect other people when they do bare their souls and allow them to tell me whatever they feel safe to tell me and try to understand why I have been privileged to know this and to see how it can help me on my own journey.
I learned to love them and to listen.
You are a good soul, you touched my haert!!! Don’t throw your pearl before the swines. Use caution!
Love you,
European
Thank you, Elizabeth.
Whatever he was, Elizabeth, Grandpa was no military historian. Did he know the difference between World War I and World War II? Do you?
Caleb, No one ever said Jews were not white. I even said we defend them because they look like us. They say things like:
“Our race (speaking of the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”
- Menachem Begin. (Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parlament], quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982)
I find this a little demeaning, do you?
EXWN Are you one of those that sent hateful emails to Kevin? If you were not, you are now. He can add you to the PDF file.
@ Caleb 1.18 p.m.
I am no expert in the Jewish role in the slave trade but one remark of yours is wrong anyway:..” by their very numbers it was impossible that Jews predominated in the trade…”.The typical case with Jews is exactly that they predominate in all activities IN SPITE OF their small numbers.This has always been the case.In the Bible we find the story of Joseph and his family (no more than 70 people) who succeeded to completely exploit and ruin the whole country of Egypt (Gen.41: 46-57;47: 13-26) and in our times we have the family of Rothschild who by their fraudulent banking are reported to have amassed HALF of the WEALTH of the ENTIRE WORLD!Jews have discovered already more than 3000 years ago that you only have to control KEY POSITIONS of any activity in order to dominate it.No big numbers are required.With the slave trade it will have been the same.I guess the rest of your arguments are also full of faults.E.g. nobody says: ” Jews ran the slave trade in New England BECAUSE they had a synagogue there”.(Yeah,goyim are stupid)Their activity in the slave trade is independantly documented.Also Jews do not need a “worldwide conspiracy” to enslave others,they do it anyway.They have done it always,in Roman times,in the Frankish Kingdom,in the New World,and nowadays Israel is the headquarters of forced prostitution of women kidnapped by the Jewish mafia from Eastern Europe.The way you use obfuscations,big lies,strawmen arguments and ridiculous false reasonings plus the fact that you use the Hebrew name of Caleb (meaning “dog”)makes me think that you are a Jewish troll.Sorry my friend,we all here are already Jew-wise and cannot be cheated anymore.The Internet is your misfortune!
“cannot be cheated anymore.”
When, Franklin, were you cheated?
@ Caleb 11.48 p.m.
When I was cheated? I never meant that personally,I meant that Jewish trolls such as you can cheat us no more.I have checked out your older comments and they only confirm my suspicions.You mock David Duke,***The Fuhrer***,and show no respect for Christianity or European peoples and their ethnic interests.But Israel of course although “not a perfect country” is truely democratic in contrast to backward Egypt.Here your Jewish pride clearly comes through,no non-Jew would ever care about Israel’s socalled “superiority”.I think you are an American Jew who spends a lot of time in that little rogue state and who sees it as his tribal duty to fight “dagerous goyim” on the internet such as us.I propose the moderators of this forum to treat the comments of this troll henceforth as spam.Ban him and let “Caleb” spend the rest of his free time on the beach of Tel Aviv leaving us alone.
O, pardon me (thou bleeding piece of earth), that I have taken the name of **Der Fuehrer** in vain.
For Caleb:
As long as we’re on the topic of Catholic Priest Paedophilia:
Child Rape: One Standard for Jews, Another Standard for Everyone Else
http://tinyurl.com/ykagezj
And, be sure to Read All About It in the NYT:
http://tinyurl.com/5ut83lo
And, while we’re on a roll how about the Jewish role in black market organs?
Organ Harvesting, Money Laundering, and Corruption – Typical Jew Behavior
http://tinyurl.com/48v85u2
Happy Reading! Oh, and tell everyone you know.
Again the latest from the Imperial Wizard! And now he has a useful tool in the so-called Catholic League, a lay organization in the Coughlinite mold not to be confused with the Catholic Church with which it has no formal connection and in truth a number of doctrinal disagreements.
Notice here how with Jesuitical casuistry they compare only the numbers of criminal prosecutions for offenses involving children against all Hasidics with those against Catholic priests and bishops.
As many alleged acts by the clergy occurred years or decades ago, criminal prosecution is legally barred. The only remedy is a civil lawsuit against the diocese AND the offender if he can be found. I’m pretty sure that nationwide there were more than ten lawsuits brought last year against diocesian defendants.
Anyone who is proven to have committed any sexual offense against anyone should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No one is immune, above or beyond the law. A rabbinical court does not sound like a proper forum for hearing serious felonies like this.
arthurdecco,
I hope I didn’t offend you. I was just tired of trying to have a reasoned discussion with Caleb. You can see how that went.
I have worked with a lot of Jewish people and was friends with many of them I thought. But when it came down to it, only their opinion mattered. Everyone else was just beneath their contempt.
I kept thinking they would change. I finally realized I was the one who had to change and terminated my relationships with them a couple of years ago.
It was a sad thing to have to do but I got really tired of being called names and slammed anytime I attempted to present another viewpoint. The Saul Alinsky school of training permits no reasoned discussions it seems.
Reading the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers are awesome examples of reasoned discussion. 11 years went into that process from 1776 until 1787 when we finally got our Constitution written and even then it took a Bill of Rights to get it ratified.
A reasoned discussion requires respect and consideration on both sides and not just hostility and refusing to listen to the other side.
This is the point I was trying to make. It takes a minimum of two to communicate.
“arthurdecco, I hope I didn’t offend you.”
In no way did you offend me, Elizabeth. I apologize for my failure to communicate the respect I held you in after reading your post dated February 14, 2011 @ 10:03 am.
I’d be pleased as punch if I could call you my friend.
@ Caleb 10.45 am
Caleb(Hebrew for “dog”),don’t you have a” Handbook for Jewish Trolls” which teaches you how to construct a CREDIBLE non-jewish persona for the Internet?You really give yourself away as a Jew even in very short sentences.Everything you say is both in style and content soooo typically JEWY!You still seem to believe in your own intellectual superiority and the myth of the Eternal Gullible Goy.I assure you each one of us here has done a lot of reading about your tribe’s behaviour and character and cannot be cheated anymore.This blog is supposed to be JUDENREIN.Get over it!
@ Caleb, februari 15,5.33 pm
Again Caleb gives himself away as the Jewish troll he is.I told you so!He is merely doing what his rabbi has told him to do: attack the Goyim and defend the Jews.Now he is in his defense mode.See how he immediately comes to the defense of his Tribe.No real non-jew would be interested to do so.Jews are in reality the most sexually perverted community in the world, with their rampant incest,homosexuality,bestiality etc.Their rabbis are most notorious in this respect,far worse than Catholic priests,and yet-as by reflex- “Caleb” immediately jumps to their defense.How typical!
arthurdecco, “I’d be pleased as punch if I could call you my friend.”
I would consider it an honor to be your friend.