In reading up for an AltRight article on Geert Wilders, I ran across this comment by Wilders on Muslim political culture, based on his observations of Egypt as an 18-year-old in 1982:
While we were in Sharm el-Sheikh, President Mubarak happened to visit the place.
I remember the fear which suddenly engulfed the town when it was announced that Mubarak was coming on an unexpected visit; I can still see the cavalcade of black cars on the day of his visit and feel the almost physical awareness of fear, like a cold chill on that very hot day in Summer.
It was a weird experience; Mubarak is not considered the worst of the Islamic tyrants and yet, the fear of the ordinary Egyptians for their leader could be felt even by me. I wonder how Saudis feel when their King is in town, how Libyans feel when Gaddafi announces his coming, how Iraqis must have felt when Saddam Hussein was near. A few years later, I read in the Koran how the 7th century Arabs felt in the presence of Muhammad, who, as several verses describe, “cast terror into their hearts” (suras 8:12, 8:60, 33:26, 59:12). [See here.]
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Two articles in today’s L. A Times paint the same picture. “Egypt crackdown echoes years of Mubarak’s iron rule: Egyptians have long lived in fear and desperation under President Hosni Mubarak.”
President Hosni Mubarak does not tolerate dissension. He is inclined to crush it rather than compromise. Those born since his rule began in 1981 have lived entirely under emergency law, among the spookily omnipresent security forces that can pluck a soul from the street and vanish in an instant. …
Many of those who challenged the government ended up jailed and tortured. Political opponents were threatened. Elections, like the parliamentary poll in November, defied mathematical odds by sweeping the ruling party to power while other candidates and their supporters were intimidated by hoodlums. More than 1,200 Muslim Brotherhood members and supporters were arrested.
Mubarak’s power resides in the darker magic of fear. It has worked for decades. The poor are too poor to protest, intellectuals are bottled up, activists hounded; everyone is kept off balance. There are glimmers of democracy, including rambunctious, independent news media, but they are viewed more as annoyances than threats to the ruling party. It’s a creepy, unpredictable climate: One never knows if one will be ignored or arrested.
Another article describes the political culture of Tunisia based on an interview with a security officer. (“A Tunisian state police officer shares harrowing inside view“)
In Tunisia, as in other Arab countries, the Interior Ministry has long been the Ministry of Fear, an instrument used by unpopular rulers to keep a restless population in its place.
It is where friends or relatives would disappear for hours or days and emerge shaken, a little different, unable or unwilling to talk about what happened. It was home base of the plainclothes officers who stormed political meetings and the riot police who stood against protesters….
He went through a year of police training that he describes as abusive and humiliating. After 12 years on the job, his salary is $67 a week, less deductions for his uniform and other expenses. He described a stifling, paranoid atmosphere within the security apparatus.
He was trained to use a gun, shown how to huddle with fellow police officers and hold a line against an angry crowd. But much of the training, he said, was meant to dehumanize and humiliate him and his fellow recruits. Commanders screamed obscenities at them constantly, he said.
This political culture of fear is endemic throughout the entire region throughout recorded history, and it is folly to suppose that a change of faces at the top will fundamentally alter it. This is the political culture that the neocons said could easily be changed with a little nudge from outside—the ideology underlying our recent wars on behalf of Israel. These are the people that are invading the West under the banner of multiculturalism, abetted by a blank slate ideology that transplanting people to a culture where individual freedom is prized will transform them into people just like us.
But Geert Wilders and like-minded politicians are gaining traction in Europe precisely because Muslims are not assimilating. The culture of authoritarianism and fear that begins in the political realm extends to marital relationships and the subjugation of women. It is a culture that is foreign to the West.
Fundamentally, we have to regain our cultural confidence which has been destroyed by the predominance of the culture of the Holocaust in recent decades resulting from the work of Jewish academic and media activists. We have to realize that some cultures are simply unable or unwilling to adopt contemporary liberal European values. There is good reason to suppose that the European tendencies toward individualism are the result of a prolonged period of evolution as northern hunter gatherers.
Indeed, it’s more likely that other peoples are simply unable to spontaneously develop individualist political institutions that the US is now demanding in Egypt and elsewhere—the result of prolonged evolution under conditions of group-based competition. Israel is returning to its Middle Eastern cultural roots with the rise of political authoritarianism as a result of the increasing dominance of ethnonationalist and religious fanatics.
In any case, the clear lesson is that Europeans must come to the realization that their individualist, libertarian tradition is fundamentally at odds with pretty much the entire rest of the world and they must act to prevent the influx of other peoples, especially those with quite different political proclivities.
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“Indeed, it’s more likely that other peoples are simply unable to spontaneously develop individualist political institutions that the US is now demanding in Egypt and elsewhere—the result of prolonged evolution under conditions of group-based competition. Israel is returning to its Middle Eastern cultural roots with the rise of political authoritarianism as a result of the increasing dominance of ethnonationalist and religious fanatics.”
This is exactly why the political class is so gleeful about this revolution. To them it’s proof that all of humanity can be westernized and that the West can be all of humanity.
Cultural? I’ve read a couple of translations of the Koran, and I don’t see where the Koran, which is the basis of Islam, would hinder democracy, or the foundation of republics. If anything the Koran would lend itself to American style independent political thought & individualism.
In old Europe, their is a infallible political religious figure called a Pope. LOL. I realize the Pope is only infallible in matters of “faith & morals”. LOL.
Let’s consider our own European insanity, before we get too critical of the Moslem world.
Most people won’t give much thought to what the term ‘democracy’ refers to any more than will give thought to what the term ‘fruit’ refers to. They’ll see a leader and decide that he’s a dictator – but ask them if Obama or Sarkozy are dictators and they’ll get confused. Ask many if they’re animals and they’ll be offended. I suspect most people won’t understand that China is a democracy just not a Western style democracy, and that the most of the Chinese leaders and people see their system as a fairer style of democracy than that of Liberal-Democracies. Most people talk in terms of what they think and believe, and yet much of what most people think/believe is false. Tell most people that what they think or believe is false and they’ll rage, yet ask them if t hey are omniscient and they’ll say no! Some will feel surprised and learn, but most won’t. This is in the nature of human intelligence.
@ Longley
The Moslem world was the scientific leader among nations, until the years after the fall of Constantinople. Then the Moslem nations decided not to use the printing press.
Now if this is true, that the rejection of the printing press, led to techincal & cultural backwardness—who takes the blame for that rejection? The Moslem leadership which was Turkish? I dunno?
I don’t know either, but I suspect it’s more likely that it was something to do with how they mate and reproduce. Islam permits cosanguineous marriage which has implications for intelligence (cf. SEN in the UK). Whilst the Ismamic lower mean IQ is not something I’ve looked into in any great great detail, I’d look there first. That, climate and assortive mating. There is something abit odd about Whites and East Asians. Something to do with the Northern latitude and brain-feminization (wild guess – lipids?)?
As I say, it is probably better to look first to other forces than the printing press. Reading books does not make you smart. Genes make you smart. Muslim countries have very high TFRs, and that’s correlated with lower IQ. At least they are reproducing above replacement level. We are technically biologically unfit and dysgenic.
If the Lynn-Vanhanen compuattion/estimate of a low 80s mean IQ for Egypt is sound, their population is rather childike and hence needs authoritative leadership. We know inetlligence is largely genetic.
A trivial question, but in your first extract you have Wilders saying:
It’s probably trivial but on first reading I thought they may have been worried about him being assassinated. But fear of the headmaster etc is quite normal, and healthy for children is it not? We should remember the mean IQ.
As I have said elsewhere, the real fear for the Western Liberal-Demco4racies is Financial services in that Islam proscribes interest based loans (riba). If Muslims can not be secularised or another way found around this issue via modified Islamic banking, they are just bad for the economy. This I suspect is Wilders’ and the Libertarians’ true agenda in its hostility to Islam given its high TFR in Europe and the low/falling European TFR. Islam is a front for socialism which is bad for banksters.
Longley, you strike me as a psychologist out of a Pynchon novel. Just saying.
Anyway, that is if a low 80s mean is accurate. If it is, then yes, most Egyptians are borderline child-like. However, we all have to admit that there are some Egyptians with very high IQs, and you can’t help but feel sorry for those educated Westernized Egyptians living in a society so completely corrupt and oppressive. For these individuals, it’s the equivalent of one of us waking up tomorrow only to find most of the intelligentsia of the White European race had disappeared, and only those left to reproduce were the lowest of the low in terms of intelligence, and we were now to be ruled by a strong-arm autocrat with a brainwashed police force. I think there already is a very wide disconnect between White European IQs, with some Whites in this country just as easily manipulated as many of these Egyptians are. Before we start knocking the Egyptians, we shouldn’t forget that White European birthrates are plummeting, and the intelligent members of White Europe are simply not reproducing at the rates needed. I think we are starting to find ourselves in an analogous situation to some degree, albeit on a shifted IQ scale towards the higher-end for Whites–but we shouldn’t be surprised if the intelligent members of White society either disappear through falling birthrates, or in an extreme circumstance, slaughtered like the Russian gentry was. Of course, for the vast majority of the White intelligentsia in this country, that is simply not an issue as they are complicit in allowing Jewish elite to hijack our system for their own ends. They have nothing to fear.
I’ll admit, I am susceptible to rooting for the anti-government Egyptians–as a “certain type of White person,” I feel exhilarated to see people attempt to remove corrupt despot from power (even in the end if it leads to virtually no change whatsoever). Ideally the Arab world could have their own functioning countries that aren’t being used as proxies for this endless ridiculous U.S.-Israeli-Arab conflict. After all, things will get messy when European countries are going to have to repatriate Muslims back to their own countries, which will absolutely have to happen at some point or else it’s game over. It would be nice if they could be repatriated back to a country that isn’t a freaking nightmare to live in, you know, just assuage that White guilt of ours.
Furthermore, IQ is not everything. I have no doubt that Mubarak probably has a moderately high IQ. If I had to guess, probably 110-120. However, as we can see, IQ does not translate into Western “values” and the type of egalitarianism you see in Scandinavian countries. Ergo, IQ is a necessary but not sufficient condition for an egalitarian type society that values individualism.
It is interesting to see how the Jewish elite are really all over the place on this one. As usual, you have Times columnists taken a liberal bent, rooting for the protestors, and then you have the hardcore Zionists freaking out over Israel’s security. My personal feeling is Mubarak will be replaced with Suleiman, the protestors will eventually disperse, the ringleaders will be identified by the police, detained, and over the next few months systematically tortured and silenced. When the election comes around, the same old crones will be placed in positions of power.
And you strike me as someone who primarily reports from their own point-of-view rather than objectively. The former is what I refer to as self-centred, ego-centric or narcissistic behaviour. It is a self-limiting cognitive style compared to the Extensional Stance (which is essentially science). Please try to take this on board as it’s a major theme which I’ve been developing in this blog over recent weeks and is not a personal insult. Your behaviour is in fact extremely common, almost common-sense in fact, and hence popular.
On the other hand, is it not more likely that some of those with higher IQs are corrupt and oppressive? What would it be like if the headmaster and his team resign and the kids are left to run the school?
Which is why, in lowish IQ countries one tends not to find Liberal-Democracy like those in the West or Far East. What one finds in Pakistan, Iraq etc are autocracies, military juntas etc, or, elsewhere, Democratic-Centralism which is a pyramid form of democracy. In China, they do vote for their leaders you know. Their leaders are engineers too.
@Longley
An illiterate or semi-literate population rules out most types of IQ testing to establish a mean. LOL.
I catch your drift, on an inbred population confined to river valleys, and, oasis surrounded by deserts. That would describe the classic Jews—and Dr. MacDonald’s take on the future of the Jews who have returned to their classic habitat.
Many of these international estimates are based on non verbal IQ tests and proxies for this reason. Note, that the means are usually based on representative population samples. That is how tests are standardised in a country. See also OECD PISA.
Why people are so keen to discredit measures which are practically useful is quite odd. It’s not very smart either.
All groups have unpleasant, destructive people, some more than others. What’s important surely is to try to understand what makes people behave the ways that they do and to find what can be done to reduce the adverse consequences, with minimal harm all round?
@ Longley
Personally, I think there is a connection between mechanical apptitude, and, IQ. But, that’s not a professional opinion, such as yours or Dr. Mac’s.
A person who is illiterate is also inumerate, and unable to read things like bus schedules, maps, etc.
Do you think the Semite tendency to wildly exaggerate coud be genetic? Seriously. That tendency is part of the politics of the Levant, Arabia, and the Moslem world.
IQ is basically a composite of verbal and spatial intelligence sub-scale test performance. Spatial IQ is tested as logical operations, and maths ability is a good proxy, so you are correct.
Not quite true. Tests like the SAT and NAEP (National Report Card), CAT, WAIS etc try to discriminate so not to disadvantage those who have specifically verbal deficits (e.g 2nd language learners). There are non verbal tests. But you are correct in that most of our education requires verbal skills (a female advantage), so if one has a deficit here, one is disadvantaged (think Black males in particular). Note females tend to be better verbally than spatially, and males the converse. We now live an ever more feminized cultures across the Liberal-Democracies. Why? Was higher education of females helpful in increasing the number of impulsive consumers perhaps? Did this increase the money supply (via debt?) If one looks at the frequency of males vs females choosing engineering vs the humanities subjects the brain-gender issue becomes quite obvious. This is almost universally true – see PISA data linked to elsewhere.
I’ve gone into this in great detail elsewhere since the beginning of January but most have not picked up on this for some reason. This has surprised me.
For an article on the Obama administration’s effort to keep Egypt as a U.S. puppet dictatorship while getting rid of Mubarak, click on (or copy and paste into your Web browser) http://www.merip.org/mero/mero020111.html
Boy, this is a rare miss by KMac.
“This political culture of fear is endemic throughout the entire region…
…that transplanting people to a culture where individual freedom is prized will transform them into people just like us.”
The reason why our Judæo-Liberal elite think this will work, is because it is
us that they intend to change, to have us accept a raw, top-down, culture of
fear. The only difference is that our little brown friends don’t take kindly to it
and actually fight back, whereas ever indication given thus far shows that we
plan tp entirely supplicate to our own rape.
“The only difference is that our little brown friends don’t take kindly to it and actually fight back, whereas ever indication given thus far shows that we plan tp entirely supplicate to our own rape.”
Bravo for “our little brown friends.” With the rise of the internet and the rapidly growing disgust of the American public toward its leaders in Washington, we may have our own Egyptian moment before long.
Question: How many of our overpaid, dimple-rumped chair-moisteners in the House, Senate and White House must be sweating and anally puckering as they realize that what’s happening there damn well could happen here?
The Africaaners did not have a group selected genetic predisposition for ethnonationalism yet they adopted such a system (Apartheid) although it took them a long time. Obviously the genetic factors are very important however the early Zionists were often quite idealistic about transcending ethnic differences, until they had to deal with Palestinians and face reality.
I don’t think the developing ethnonationaist consensus in Israel is in in any way irrational, it makes perfect sense for Israelis to vote for politicians who are going to defend their ethnic interests. The fanatics are leftist ideologues like Gideon Levy who think there is a moral imperative to transcend ethnic differences.
The Israelis are in the process of adopting the only system which will work to preserve Israel as a Jewish state. If Jews are the result of relatively intense group selection then we ought to expect that the Israeli population will be especially quick to see the solution their ethnic problem lies in an ethnonationalist state.
If white nationalists start referring to Jewish nationalists in pejorative terms (eg calling them ‘fanatics’) just because they are determined to keep Israel a Jewish state the whites are going to be open to the accusation of hypocritical double standards. If it is OK for whites to want white countries to remain white then it ought to be OK for Jews to want a Jewish state to remain Jewish.
If the priority is to win converts for white nationalism then TOO ought to waste no opportunity to point out that nationalism is consistent with western moral principles. In other words white nationalists need to be to be fair to Jewish nationalism in Israel. Could we ever get diaspora Jews to support white nationalism ? No, as the AltRight article makes clear hardly any Jews support Wilders despite him being ‘miles’ from being a white nationalist; Jews are implacably intent on dismantling every white country.
What we do need to do is convince white people that their own nationalism is legitimate, because of their universalism whites will not accept the doctrine that white nationalism is ethical but other peoples nationalism is morally wrong.
Banging on about the supposedly terrible injustice which Palestinians suffer at the hands of Zionism (Jewish nationalism) in Israel is not going to change minds about nationalism being a vicious ideology, just the opposite in fact. And it certainly will not alter the culture of the Holocaust; for liberals the lesson of the Holocaust (that nationalism of any kind is evil) will be reinforced by attacks on Zionism.
“If white nationalists start referring to Jewish nationalists in pejorative terms (eg calling them ‘fanatics’) just because they are determined to keep Israel a Jewish state the whites are going to be open to the accusation of hypocritical double standards. If it is OK for whites to want white countries to remain white then it ought to be OK for Jews to want a Jewish state to remain Jewish.”
This is a good point, but there is one major problem with it: diaspora Jews distance themselves from Israel in public but support Israel in private. So if a “white nationalist” praised Israel as a model for a European-only state, the Jews in the media and academia would babble on about Israel being racist and warlike, and that no country should be like that. And most dumb Europeans would agree with them.
If white nationalists start referring to Jewish nationalists in pejorative terms (eg calling them ‘fanatics’) just because they are determined to keep Israel a Jewish state the whites are going to be open to the accusation of hypocritical double standards.
Who on the right is attacking Jews just because they want to keep Israel a Jewish state?
Sometimes people will complain because Israel has a restrictive immigration policy while Jews are the most liberal group on immigration in the West, but in those cases what’s being condemned is the double standard.
I doubt practically anyone on the right holds it against the Israelis that they want to keep Ethiopians out of Israel.
The problem is that the Israelis are treating the people who were in Palestine when they got there in a very shoddy and imperialist fashion.
If Jews really want to keep Israel a Jewish state, why do they continue their occupation of the West Bank? Why do they continue their inhumane blockade of Gaza?
The World didn’t respect the nationalism of Japan due to it being tied into brutal imperialist campaigns which disrespected the valid nationalisms of some non-Japanese groups.
Why should anyone respect the nationalism of Jews when it’s tied into a brutal imperialist campaign?
It would be foolish, like respecting the property rights of a thief as he’s in the process of a robbery.
“White nationalist” praise for Israel (a Jewish nation- state) as the model for a white nation state in the West would be counter-productive for Israel and for whites. White nationalism is loathed and despised by the political class in white countries, it’s regarded as evil by the elite whites. Israel is criticised by western liberals in a completely objective way by those same (white) liberals who are the greatest enemy white advocacy has. Praise for Israel from white nationalists would be cited by the liberals as proof that Israel was all wrong, not that the white nationalist were right.
I am suggesting that Israel ought to be regarded as a country struggling with an intractible internal ethnic problem which it’s trying to resolve in as ethical way as it can.
When diaspora Jews criticize our nationalism and say “oh! we know from history what that can lead to” white nationalists can simply point to Israel and say ‘well are they nazis too?’.
Even if they oust Mubarak, another Mubarak will take his place, most likely an ayatollah or whatever those boobies call themselves. They simply are not ready for democracy, and if you ask me, they never will. So let them do what they want to do, with Allah’s blessing. As long as we can get them out of OUR hair.
And fast!
But an analysis of their C20th histry clearly shows that they could not. So why write otherwise?
That’s just not the case. We see clients states all over the world.
Why not try to learn how to understand what controls individual and group behaviour rather than just writing asinine comments? If the mean IQ of Egypt is in the low 80s, their current leadership will see calls for Liberal-Democracy as subversive, i.e as a means of imperialists grabbing their resources (as was done in the past). In opposition, China and Russia will offer to protect Egypt/Tunisia etc from US/EU imperialism. The USA will be described as as exporting Libertarianism and Human Rights to a country not demographically ready for it, and the SCO/BRIC will try to thwart them, describing their efforts as exploitation of Egyptian people. Keep an eye on Israel and Suez, the latter being strategic.
The Egyptians can do whatever they like.
Every country gets the leadership it deserves and agitates for. This is as much true for Egypt as it is for the US or the UK. The only issue I care about regarding this turmoil in Egypt is how many bogus asylum seekers with anti-western proclivities we will be compelled to absorb as a result.
In an ideal world, Egypt can have whatever tyrant it wants, along with every other third world kleptocracy. Nigerians can chuck spears at each other and genocide each other until they run out of machetes, China can be tyrannised by as many murdering Maoist lunatics as they like and India can continue to pack as many millions of destitute anthropoids into their ever expanding slums as they see fit.
We should have no more say in their internal affairs than they should have in the ethnic demographics of the countries of the traditional West.
Listening to faux conservative Jews like Michael Savage rant about the situation in Egypt has been very instructive. He says it would be ‘suicidal’ for Israel to intervene in Egypt. Then in the next breath he’s calling on the US government to sent in the military to prop up the Mubarak regime. Heaven forbid Jewish blood and treasure be actually used to defend the Jewish state. Just manipulate the dumb goyim into sacrificing their children and money for Israel – AGAIN!. Oh, and while you’re at it, take out Iran for us too. Breathtaking!
Our ‘prejudiced’ medieval ancestors were much smarter than us regarding Jews and Muslims. They knew both groups were deeply hostile to European civilisation and wanted to exploit and enslave us – financially, culturally, politically and physically. That’s why every nation in Western Europe expelled the Jews at one time or another and in most cases simply banned Muslims.
Medieval Europe fought back waves of Muslim jihadist invaders without which Western freedoms wouldn’t exist today. Where they were unsuccessful the glorious Islamic legacy can be seen in places like Albania – famous for poverty, corruption and organised crime.
Of course our suicidal multicultural elites are so much more ‘enlightened’ and ‘sophisticated’ and think it’s far better to invite your enemies in through the front door, and then generously fund their welfare and staggeringly high rates of reproduction, and then apologise for us even existing and not giving them enough.
Jews and Muslims adopt almost diametrically opposed tactics their efforts to conquer the West. The Jews (a small intelligent elite group) capture the commanding heights of Western politics and culture and reengineer it in the service of Jewry, while Muslims (a less intelligent though highly reproductive group) rely more on demographic swamping and violent agitation to achieve their objectives. Both are the white man’s misfortune.
Hooray. Best full sweep of the topic I’ve seen yet. Give us your blog name, or comment more. Mike
“Listening to faux conservative Jews like Michael Savage rant about the situation in Egypt has been very instructive. He says it would be ‘suicidal’ for Israel to intervene in Egypt. Then in the next breath he’s calling on the US government to sent in the military to prop up the Mubarak regime.”
It is no coincidence that the people who demanded/are demanding the bankruptingly expensive wars in the
Middle East have names like Kristol, Krauthammer, Frum, Wolfowitz and Perle; and yet the overwhelming majority of those killed or wounded have names like Washington, Smith, Schultz, Sanchez, Kowalski and O’Ryan.
We have to realize that some cultures are simply unable or unwilling to adopt contemporary liberal European values.
If that is ever accepted, it will mark the crucial turning point in this conflict and the rebirth of the West. And the evidence for that argument is growing every day.
“Why not try to learn how to understand what controls individual and group behaviour rather than just writing asinine comments? If the mean IQ of Egypt is in the low 80s, their current leadership will see calls for Liberal-Democracy as subversive, i.e as a means of imperialists grabbing their resources (as was done in the past). In opposition, China and Russia will offer to protect Egypt/Tunisia etc from US/EU imperialism. The USA will be described as as exporting Libertarianism and Human Rights to a country not demographically ready for it, and the SCO/BRIC will try to thwart them, describing their efforts as exploitation of Egyptian people. Keep an eye on Israel and Suez, the latter being strategic.”
Don’t condescend to me.
Your psuedo-intellectual drivel is a straw man at any rate. My point was that I don’t care about Egyptian IQs or anything else to do with their country outwith the boundaries of how they effect White western nations. I was fairly unambiguous.
Why don’t you go troll somewhere else now.
That appears somewhat ego/ethno-centric, as I have pointed out before. As to why I do what I do, I do it in an effort to educate, which, in your case would appear to be a waste of time?
Geert Wilders is not a reliable source on attitudes in this part of the world. I have never enountered any Saudis, Emiratis or Omanis who demonstrated fear in the presence of the police or of the monarchs.
One time in Saudi I notice that massive security and a red carpet were at the entrance of the hotel where I went to lunch. I entered to the side of the door without a red carpet and told the colonel in charge that I was glad for all of this security “just for me.” He laughed. When I left the hotel he opened the main door and said, “The red carpet is for you, Sir.” The current king of Saudi Arabia is well known for his openness and sense of humor. When he was the crown prince I saw him stop his three car convoy for a prayer call. He got out and said his prayers with a group a Bangladeshi street cleaners at the side of the road.
The police I have encountered in the countries enumerated above have always been friendly and helpful to me. The customs officials and the security at the airports have always been more courteous than the thugs for which America has become famous.
The highest level of princes in Saudi Arabia travel the kingdom and hold public meetings at which any Saudi can present petitions or complaints. The people come in large numbers and they expect to be heard.
Gosh, Robert, when did they last hold an election in that bastion of democracy that is Saudi Arabia? Can mom drive the kids to soccer practice? Only if she wants to be stopped and hauled out of the car by the Religious Police who will threaten her with flogging if she tries it again.
Do folks have a strong work ethic in Saudi Arabia? Well…yes, the two to three million Palestinians, Bangladeshis, Egyptians and other foreigners who do the jobs Saudis won’t do–which is every job–they have a work ethic.
There’s a request from the editors at the bottom of the page that says:
“Request: Please only down-vote abusive comments, not comments you merely disagree with or dislike.”
I think down voting comments that people disagree with should be perfectly appropriate. I don’t think people are trying to censor by down voting; I think they are sending a message: this comment is against the interests of the site.
I think it’s a wonderful democratic way to sort through vast opinions and information.
David Longley, for instance, has taken a beating from the down votes and his comments then get truncated, but this is because as an advocate of Chinese style Communism who straw man’s anyone to his Right as a Libertarian financial predator, he is so politically out of step with the views of most readers here.
Additionally, the sheer volume of his posts become an abusive attempt to hijack the board, and this is a means to prevent an individual from taking over without actually banning him.
Those interested in his (occasionally insightful) opinions can still access them, but the rest of us don’t have to be relentlessly subjected to his long-winded, obsessive-compulsive, Communism-advocacy against our will.
I’ve been impressed with how efficiently the system works.
Me too Chris Moore. This new rating system has come as a blessed relief, and readers should use it as they see fit.
For example, I could post a comment comprising two asterisks only [ * * ] and within 30 minutes “I bet yah” you would see it marked with a thumbs down. What this tells me is that we have at least one puerile visitor who is monitoring these TOO comment pages 24/7, and who happens to be immensely troubled by anything I write. Perhaps he/she is obsessed about some other regular commenters.
This morbid pettiness has its uses. It tells me something about the kind of milieu we are living in today.
So let’s all continue voting. This is, after all, one of the great things we Germanics have bequeathed to humanity; even if the majority in this world are determined never to go beyond infantilism.
But you and Anglo-Saxon are good examples of the self-centred anarchism which I have said is typical of Libertarian Liberal-Democratic self-destruction. What you are reinforcing is denial. Meanwhile, we watch the Liberal-Democracies self-destruct in the same way.
This is just the major problem in microcosm. Even when the people running this site request people not abuse the rating system in this populist way, the request is ignored. Of course, if those running the site were serious, and thought it the ratings system did not serve their interests, they would have removed it wouldn’t they?
CAVEAT EMPTOR?
You appear to be being abusive. It may not seem so but I truly am trying to be helpful, not hurtful, but trying to expose the falsws in narcissism/Libertarians is notoriously difficult, as those to which this is addressed respond with rage when challenged. They take it too perosnally. It is the behaviour which is being highlighted.
You appear to think that psychiatric conditions are terms of abuse i.e as name-calling. Do you personally have any history of bullying or grandstanding? Do you think bullying and grandstanding a legitimate form of competition/persuasion in the Libertarian world-view? How far would you take that? Would you legitimize Torture?
You appear to be advocating mob rule. if most people do not understand what is said, what are you advocating except the force of the mob? Critics of Libertarianism/anarchism point out that this democratisation just serves to deprive the vulnerable of protection through deregulation, which ultimately facilitates economic predation (think of liars’ loans etc).
Libertarians (i.e the right-wing) have covertly deployed Political Correctness to hide the true implications of genetic diversity and how that expresses in the Gaussian distribution. They fear people will see that once understood, more people would demand regulation by the state to protect them from predators. They have historically blamed the left for Political Correctness because the left tries to protect people, putting people before profit, the collective before the individual, duty before rights (sse the Chinese constitution, it is duty based). The left which the Libertarians refer to are often in fact often just Libertarian shills, i,e anarchists and Trotskyites. These people were expelled from the USSR in the 1920s/1930s but then flourished in the USA. The USA now knows them as Neoconservatives and Libertarians.
I predict you won’t like this, and that it will just elicit narcissistic rage with more ad hominem comments. But the ad hominem is logically irrational (another example being appeal to authority or fame, and tu quoque). It is narcissistic if looked at closely in terms of behaviour. I ask you to try to recognise it for what it is, namely a developmental disorder, arrested development. Alas, it is highly prevalent, and not just amongst Jewish people. It will manifest as lower IQ In some areas, perhaps as verbal over spatial? Give this some though, our abilities are Gaussian distributed. We are not all the same. That is not a bad thing, it is inevitable and can’t be helped.
Longley: “What you are reinforcing is denial…narcissism/Libertarians… bullying or grandstanding…Would you legitimize Torture?…advocating mob rule…narcissistic rage… a developmental disorder, arrested development…”
Longley, couching your insults and abuses in psychological jargon in no way changes their nature or somehow legitimizes them.
I think what we are seeing here in Longley is the rigid mind of left-wing “intellectual” ideologues on open display, the type who think that if they can “scientifically” validate their hatreds and “prove“ that their opponents are irrational, it is legitimate to imprison them in mental hospitals and gulags as the Communists did in order to silence alternative political views, or send them to re-education camps.
They know they can’t win by employing reason, so they must implement a voodoo science of left-wing, pseudo-psychology and use it (in conjunction with an authoritarian state) to silence their opponents, and suppress free speech and democracy.
Similarly, they invent false historical and political narratives such as the following:
Longley: “The left which the Libertarians refer to are often in fact often just Libertarian shills, i,e anarchists and Trotskyites. These people were expelled from the USSR in the 1920s/1930s but then flourished in the USA. The USA now knows them as Neoconservatives and Libertarians.”
Go to the World Socials Web Site…
http://www.wsws.org/
…you will find that these socialists love Trotsky and worship him to this day. Are they Libertarians?
Neocons despise Ron Paul libertarians, and vice-versa. They fought each other tooth and nail over the Iraq war, and all manner of other political questions. The socialists, left-liberals, neoliberals, and neocons have together all had it in for Ron Paul and his freedom movement from the beginning.
True, there may be some Zionist pseudo-libertarians who are agents for the neocons, but these are not libertarian nationalists in the Ron Paul vein.
You lefties are trying to rewrite history (common behavior amongst your set) to blame advocates of freedom for the predations of your historical Judeofascist partners whose modus-operandi is to employ a vast, powerful, centrally-controlled state as a mechanism for their elitist, particularistic, insider-party interests, just as the neocons did during the Iraq war and the Bolsheviks did during their murderous reign.
Dr. Longley, heal thyself.
I don’t use psychological jargon. You don’t understand the language of behaviour. This, and your responses strongly suggest to me that you lack a good Higher Education.
I’m not insulting you, I’m just correcting some of your errors, i.e educating you. You clearly don’t like that, and you are clealry hurt, but you misread this as insult. It is not insulting to correct someone’s behaviour, it’s the opposite when the behaviour is wrong/destructive. You are emitting falsehoods, and your Libertarianism is destructive. Hopefully, if you are not aware of what you are doing, in time you will come to see what you’re peddling, i.e. you will come to see the adverse consequences more clearly and stop. Don’t look to what your politicians say they believe when you class them, look at what they do.
Had Longley been George Orwell’s contemporary, the author could have based a character from his novel ‘1984’ on the man. Perhaps head Commissar at the Ministry of Love.
Do you understand that Orwell was a Trotskyite/anarchist (he even went over to Spain to help out in the Civil War)? He was attacking the British Labour Party and post 1945 government in his ’1984′. 1984 was the aniversary of the establishment of the Fabian Society in 1884. You have it wrong. We see the dire consequences in Britain today, and you are suffering the same consequences. Every time you vilify your imaginary left (which doesn’t exist in the USA or UK anymore – the Left meant nationalisation of the means of production, exchange and communication. Reagan and Thatcher privatised nearly all of that). You just help the Neoconservatives etc hammer more nails into the US and EU state’s coffins. What you have to try to grasp is how legislation is made and enforced which works to keep Big Government at bay – but to grasp that, you have to be quite smart, as it’s counter-intuitive. Most people can not grasp how government can largely be hands off. Hence all the talk from Cameron of the ‘Big Society’. This means DIY. In the past, Blair and Milband spoke of people’s democracy with the Third Sector taking a bigger role. This meant the voluntary sector. This meant more erosion of the Public Sector. Anarchism = without rule. This is what you’re peddling as freedom, just watch your crime rate and wealth gap rise.
David, the title **1984** was simply the year the book was written, 1948, with the last two digits reversed.
Yesterday afternoon 3 of the first 5 unhidden comments were Longley’s. There were a total of 31 comments made by that time, TEN of these were Longley’s. (And that is on this post alone).
He comments for 12 hours non – stop so his comments mount up faster than they can be hidden for a twelve hour period each day. Maybe Longley is not so wrong about the libertarian tendencies of this site.
Muslim political culture of fear – in various ways. Here’s a youtube of a week ago, Fri 28 January in Cairo of a diplomatic car running over more than 20 people in the crowds. Such things obviously make people afraid, but once they break through the fear, I would think they are stronger than they would otherwise be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lfh7w&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1
William W. Thank you for that link. That was an utterly inhuman, callous, and gut wrenching act.
Here is what one YouTube commenter had to say in response:
That street is just outside the US embassy in Cairo “Kasr el Einy” street. and that Ford is their transporter. He’s a murderer as those people were on their way to protest against their president, not America, Israel or any other country they posed no harm to him. May all those in this car burn in fuckn hell.
This Egyptian commenter’s analysis is probably correct. I have had some dealings with US Blackwater type thugs … of the kind routinely employed as bodyguards by the US Diplomatic Corp … and this kind of aggressive escape maneuver is what they are trained to do. But it was unnecessary, as the crowd were not aiming for those in that vehicle. As usual, the American posted overseas demonstrates his/her frantic insecurity and overreacts at the slightest provocation.
This misbehaviour, born of inherent hysteria, has been apparent within the American psyche since the 1940s.
William W wrote: “Here’s a youtube of a week ago, Fri 28 January in Cairo of a diplomatic car running over more than 20 people in the crowds.”
It reminded me of the passage from “A Tale of Two Cities” in which Monsiuer Le Marquis, the Uncle of Charles Darnay, runs over a child with his coach in the slums of Paris.
Wilders is bullshitting as per usual. He calls Mubarak an ‘Islamic tyrant’ though he’s a secularist ally of America and Israel who is supported by America and Israel precisely because he is anti-Islam. Wilders citations from the Quran are a fraud. None of these verses have anything to do with the Prophet personally terrorising anyone or ruling over his people through fear, rather they are about the Muslims casting fear into the hearts of their enemies.
Dr. Macdonald’s argument is pretty weak; how is what upper class, anti-Islamic and Westernized dictators do supposed to reflect on the genetics of the Muslim world? There is also an attempt to portray the anti-social tendencies of European culture as some sort of virtue (“individualism”), even though Dr. Macdonald seems to believe that these tendencies are the main reason Western societies are destroying themselves.
There is also the idea that since the average IQ of Egyptians is 80, they must be like children. This is not a correct assumption. A white person with an IQ of 70 is likely to be a non-functioning “drooly” while an Egyptian with the same IQ may be a sane and capable individual.
Just to pick you up on a couple of points, first it was me, not Kevin McD, and second, the point being made was that if a population has an average IQ of say 83, that means that far more of the population will be illiterate/innumerate than a population which has an average of 100.
To round it down a bit and make it clearer, ceteris paribus with a Standard Deviation of 15 points, a mean of 100 means that 84% of the population has an IQ above 85. If the average is 80, it means that 84% of the population has an IQ below 95. Note, with a population of 80 million, 16% with an 1Q above 95 is still an awful lot of people, but 50% lower than ~80 predicts quite a lot of illiteracy/innumeracy and child-like thinking/behaviour, that is people who are easily led, and easily taken advantage of. They need protection, not ‘freedom’.
Nax: “Wilders is bullshitting as per usual. He calls Mubarak an ‘Islamic tyrant’ though he’s a secularist ally of America and Israel who is supported by America and Israel precisely because he is anti-Islam.”
Wilders also says that he is worried by Islam in Europe. Actually, Europeans don’t care about Muslims praying in the street and wearing burkas. Instead, they worry about Black and Arab violence in the street. It has nothing to do with Islam.
I don’t see fear here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=1pIon9rbknA
I respect these people’s will to survive. These are not our enemies, these are our brothers against oppression. The color of their courage is my color. It’s time we stop being blinded by our reflection in the mirror. Stop shilling for the rabbis Kevin.
‘These are not our enemies, these are our brothers against oppression.’
Unfortunately the feeling is not mutual. Orthodox Muslims would impose Shariah law on you and your family as a religious obligation. If you refused you’d be in line for a beheading. Muslims don’t just hate Jews – they hate all non-believers, including you and me.
I doubt they’d want to behead me, but I totally see them trying to take your head Glen.
A reminder:
An event (Feb 2007) before the Credit Crunch.
Statement by Lars Hedegaard on his acquittal.
The featured video is worth a look .
Hedegaard did a long interview of Gunnar Heinsohn, read it HERE. The trouble in Egypt is exactly what Heinsohn has been predicting.
Nice subtitled tv interview Gunnar Heinsohn: Feminism is Not Sustainable – It is The End of Europe
It’s amazing how trolls, for example Mr. Longley, are able to post so often, literally 24/7. Who’s funding this?
Here’s what you gotta know, not everyone is smart enough to be an effective anti-semite like Longley.
It’s also pretty obvious that Longley didn’t learn his anti-semitism from reading antique Hitler propaganda, or some obscure source material.
I could tell you, but I’d have to disconnect your computer from the Internet.
KM: “Israel is returning to its Middle Eastern cultural roots with the rise of political authoritarianism”
The likely flip side of an authoritarian culture is a culture of kowtowing. Kowtowing is not our way to do things. We feel stupid having to kowtow to our superiors, and we feel uncomfortable receiving flattery from our subordinates. I think that Jewish activists have a different mentality. That is why they have no problem enforcing political correctness, for example.
@Armor
Good point. Particularly from a Protestant viewpoint. The Romans are more Levantine.
This may shock you, but try to take it seriously. The problem with mentality is that it is just a dramatic construction. As it’s just a dramatic construction (in lieu of a better grasp of behaviour) there’s no truth or falsehood to be had when we talk about it or in mentalistic terms, just opinion. One thus finds many people talking, arguing, fighting etc irrationally about mental issues. The truth is that it’s all nonsense. It’s best avoided altogether, as it just creates unresolvable conflict. Some people know this, but make lots of money out of lots more not knowing this. Beware. They will also try to stop lots of people grasping it, as grasping it is bad for their trade. Most psychologists are female…
Behaviour – that’s another matter. It’s far more boring, but it’s behaviour which matters. Try to find out about Behaviour Analysis. Behaviour Analsysts are not psychologists. They despise psychologists. Behaviour Analysis used to be as politically incorrect as IQ research. Guess why?
I’m sure the Anglo/Jewish elites love the BNP video at the top of the page. Their man Author Kemp fails to mention what the Jewish reaction would be if Christians swarmed in to Israel, or what the Hundu reaction would be if huge numbers of Europeans invaded India and started demanding change. British Jews have their own security force (though it has charity status) CST (community Security Trust), can’t the British police protect them? British Jews have their own religious courts. This doesn’t sound very assimulated to me. And what is the size of the average Jewish Orthodox family? The largest Hindu Temple in Europe is in Britain. Why doesn’t that concern Kemp?
Until I hear the BNP showing the same concern for ALL groups that aren’t *native Brits*, I can only conclude that Kemp & the boys are patsies, that or they aren’t brave enough to stand up to the elites.
We slattered ourselves and our German brothers in WWI & II and at the Monied interests request. I’m not going to repeat the mistake.
This is what Dutch Jews think about intellectual freedom:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_netherlands_anti_semitism
But Muslims and their abhorence of interest based loans are very bad for the Dutch and EU economy! If they can be secularised in the EU, just think what could be achieved in Palestine.
[cogs whirrrr]
I’m sure the Anglo/Jewish elites hate the BNP and hate to see it saying thing that might strike a chord with the ordinary white people of Britain. Look at the links in my above comment . When even liberals like Prof. Heinsohn are starting to realize what kind of havoc Muslims are going to wreak on our society it will foolish for not to concentrate on Muslims.
I’m sure the Anglo/Jewish elites would really love the BNP to stop concentrating on the Muslim threat to our future and start eulogising the Nazis as “our German brothers in WW II “.
The term *Nazi* was coined by National Socialist distracters as a pejorative term. Do you also use the term *Nigger* Someday?
What is foolish is not to be consistent. Jewish intellectuals and their Gentile counterparts have brought Europe to its cowed state. Deal with the cause of the disease and the symptoms will go away.
Prof. Heinsohn believes “Jewish abstinence from sacrifice with the Christian belief in Jesus as someone who died for the Christians’ sins, which he interprets as a regression to sacrificial practices of prehistory and as a core source of Christian-Jewish controversy.” I don’t much are for Heinsohn, he isn’t a clear thinker.
Prof. Heinsohn is miles from being a nationalist and is friendly towards Jews: why can’t you see that it is a good thing? Liberals who oppose immigration of whites are invaluable support for nationalists’ claim to be talking common sense ( rather than being nutzi Idealogues).
“National Socialist distracters” I think you may have coined a phase there.
Correction I meant to say :-
“Liberals who oppose immigration of non-whites”
Nice video :) BNP :)
I want to comment on it ) It’s simple to overlook the most basic arguments regarding immigration, and Kemp’s “reverse argument” tactic is very good, and when applied it just seems all so ridiculous. No non-White country would buy this multicultural ideal nonsense – you can buy off the leaders, sure, but the people, no.
But the loony-Left already knows this to be true. Their ideal new world of multi-culturalism, multi-racialism only applies to Aryan lands. They know the poor, ilIiterate peasants in these third world nations are still intelligent enough not to buy that nonsense.
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Now you are all terrified of the Muslims, as well you should be. But maybe you should have realized what unqualified support of Israel would wreck upon the world, and especially your world. The Muslims are not your mortal enemy, the Jews are.
The white nationalist’s identification with the State of Israel is truly pathetic. You are so afraid that you can’t claim an ethic state of your own in the country built by your ancestors without asking the Israelis for their permission and turning a blind eye to their destruction of the Palestinians. And yes, it is brutal, and it is genocide.
Have you bought into their description of the white race as uniquely evil? Or do you simply not see that every type of nationalism is not equal? Can you not see the difference between the United States and Israel? If not, then you do believe the Jewish propaganda that has been fed into your, no doubt, high IQ brains, for a very long time.
But then as time goes on, there is increasingly little difference between the United States and Israel.
Or maybe it’s something else. Maybe it is a tacit recognition that the Jews do indeed, control America, as Ariel Sharon said they did. And if you make nice, they’ll let you claim your own state. All the obeisance to these people is almost amusing.
Years ago, Chaim Weizmann demanded that the Israeli state include the Negev for the minerals and the access to the water ports. Disraeli opened the doors to the East, India specifically. Israel has been fighting to not only get its own source of oil, but to control the oil in the Middle East. If the Jews manage to use this crisis to impose an even more Israeli friendly dictator, they should be able to control the Suez outright, and much world trade as a result. Clever that, but then they are. As we earnestly discuss the virtues of libertarianism and its flaws, the horrors of socialism, left versus right, neocons, and national IQs, they go chomping their way through the world.
Please post more of your opinions, DianaBlaze. I like your style. And your perspective.
Which is more likely, that this is about a) Jewish/Israeli economic power/control, or b) Libertarian Liberal-Democractic (largely EU/US) economic power/control, and specifically, control over vital shipping lanes through the strategic Suez Canal Israel is essentially the West’s main ‘client-state’ in the region just as NYC is financially dominant in the USA’s economy. It’s demographics are largely Jewish too. If people in the West can be incited to politically attack Jews and their influence in either area (the Middle East or NYC), what are the likely economic consequences?
Well there may not be much to learn from the troll David Longley (or Adam or Der Wienerschnitzel) because this one seems to be a bit of a one trick pony. Again we see the faux critique of “economic liberalism” as a way to divert attention from White Advocacy.
Bravo DianaBlaze!
Someday said: “If white nationalists start referring to Jewish nationalists in pejorative terms (eg calling them ‘fanatics’) just because they are determined to keep Israel a Jewish state the whites are going to be open to the accusation of hypocritical double standards. If it is OK for whites to want white countries to remain white then it ought to be OK for Jews to want a Jewish state to remain Jewish.”
I have often wondered why you post here, Someday, with your faux White Power screeds and thinly-veiled racist attacks on Muslims based more on screeching hyperbole than on cold, hard fact.
I’m wondering no more.
The quotation I excerpted above plainly illustrates your agenda, which up until this very minute has been unclear to me. (I’m sometimes slow to see the forest for the trees.)
Champions of White European self-interest, according to you, are supposed to line up on side of the Zionist thieves, liars and murderers who have overrun Palestine like a plague because to oppose their criminality, corruption and collective psychopathology would give weight and substance to the concerns and agendas of the worst elements of the “Muslim hoards” who are, according to you, ready, willing and able to murder our children while we sleep.
Did I get that right?
Anyone who could write:
“Banging on about the supposedly terrible injustice which Palestinians suffer at the hands of Zionism (Jewish nationalism) in Israel…”
deserves nothing but contempt from those of us who are in possession of the facts.
“supposedly terrible injustice”?!?…”supposedly terrible”?!?…”SUPPOSEDLY”?!?
You are no representative of White interests. Not by a long shot. You’re a hate-filled fake. You share your deluded sense of smug superiority and contempt for humanity with the segment of modern Jewry I loathe. Whether you are one of them or not is immaterial. What counts for me is the fact your opinions illustrate your casual acceptance and encouragement of that sub-group’s pronounced collective depravity.
If I was religious I’d say you were an agent of Satan, glibly trying to lead us away from authentic self-interest, understanding and empathy and towards the smooth-walled and bottomless pits of ignorance, cowardice and immorality, in the service of those Dark Forces intent on erasing those of us resistant to their perverted ideology from the pages of time.
But because I’m not religious, “Hate-Filled Fake” will have to stand as the epitaph I’d scratch on your gravestone and how I will think of you from this moment on.
That looks like a credible analysis to me. Most credible analyses take some time to arrive at as evidence/data requires time to accumulate. There are some point being posted to this blog which othersclearly would prefer not accumulate.
When you say anarchist, do you mean like Kropotkin? Ayn Rand? How do they differ in your mind?
You seem on the logical path to the marxist orthodoxy that race is an illusion that is foisted on the hoi polloi to keep them at each other’s throats while the capitalists (anarchists in your parlance) run away with the cookie jar. Is that where you’re going?
Well I remain rather disappointed in the troll David Longley. I may have preferred one of his earlier incarnations. He simply repeats the same thing over and over about libertarianism in an attempt to get the conversation off White Advocacy. Again, I would suggest not engaging him in “conversation” but simply noting the type of distraction he is up to.
Stick to what’s been practical policy over recent decades, and especially the last decade or so. Anarchists are the Neoconservatives: Reagan’s administration, Thatcher’s government, Clinton’s administration (think the 1999 Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act), Bush’s and Blair’s terms in office etc. These governments have continued to deregulate, i.e they have continued to privatise. They have rolled-back the public-sector, i.e. the state across Europe. It’s a political process best examined in terms of consequences. It is not theory, it’s what’s been done and it is continuing as many politically awake Europeans, especially Britons, will tell you. Many people don’t see it because they have no conception of the state anymore. To see statism at work one has to look to Islam, or to China. That is rendered verboten to most in the West via the ‘War on Terror’ (‘you’re with us, or you’re against us’) or by demonising National Socialism (aka ‘Socialism in One Country’ aka Stalinism – cf China) via terms like ‘Holocaust Denier’, or just ignoring it in the case of China. How many people in the USA know how the Chinese Constitution is written or how their elections and Government operate? Why is there this fear/ignorance? What function does it serve domestically?
As to laws proscribing racial hatred, the markets need consumers as I have explained, this is what money is made from (borrowers). Europe and the USA has had to import people because of the low White TFRs, and thos ethey imported have had to come from lower IQ nations. In order to protect these child-like people and their progeny from predatory liar’s loan sharks, the state would have had to regulate banks etc. Hence right-wing political correctness making out that there are no racial differences. This legislation has been passed by Libertarian governments. So long as there are no racial differences, equalitarianism can prevail, and with that, meritocracy (just deserts for the elite) and caveat emptor legitimizaing the ripping off of Blacks, Hispanics, S Asians and underclass in general.
If Western countries truly were a meritocracies, half of the people here wouldn’t bother with this site.
David Longley is obviously a reincarnation of previous trolls, like Adam or Der Wienerschnitzel. He’s hostile to Whites and is here to disrupt and distract.
Until he’s blocked, the only value he provides is to give us an example of the kind of arguments the Left throws at us. And when I say that, I mean that at the meta-level. In other words, don’t get caught up in the specific content of one of his posts, but instead, recognize the category of argument or the general type of attack he is mounting. For example, in his current incarnation as David Longley, he is attempting to blame freedom and liberty for White ills.
Generally, he/they attempt to either change the subject (don’t focus on Jews or the Left, capitalism is the problem!) or they create a caricature of White Advocacy, in the form of Hollywood Nazi, complete with ethnic slurs. Both are attempts at undermining our cause. I think recognizing the general patterns of disruption they practice could be useful.
It appears you don’t like what you’re being told. That does not make the analysis false. Censuring or censoring it won’t help. That’s just denial surely? A lot of the behaviour posted to this blog is just irrational, and that serves nobody’s interests… except subversives/anarchists.
Are you an anarchist?
Say you went to a doctor with a problem and s/he explained what the problem was, what the options were etc. Are you likely to attack the doctor for diagnosing the disorder and accuse him or her of creating the problem?
There’s something disordered in your logic/reasoning I am suggesting. Why not try to identify what it is? Or do you just want to create trouble/disorder?
Athanasius, why are you asking David Longley questions when it’s obvious he’s a disruptive troll? I must say, at this point, anyone giving him an excuse to talk more, or helping legitimize his rants, is more than a little suspicious.
Note how to persist in trying to censoi? What worries you is that my analysis is sound. People can see the evidence.
Jason- He goes on and on (and on) no matter what I, or anyone else writes. If he is actually a troll, he is pretty ineffective because no one here has a tendency toward marxism, and few here are doctrinaire libertarians.
Are you so silly/dumbed down that you can’t see that it doesn’t matter a jot what any of you call yourselves (or think)? What matters is what’s actually happening, most of which is a) evidently completely beyond most of your grasp and b) can’t even be drawn to your attention now, despite repeated efforts, as you just won’t do as you are advised it seems. Watch the video at least.
“There’s none so blind who will not see”.
Michael Scheuer makes a lot of good points but I think he is naive to think that the neocons ever really expected Iraq to become a democratic state, that was a pretext, they knew all along it would fragment.
http://religionnewsblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/confirming-stereotypes-muslim-beheads.html
Now, the truly EPIC irony is this situation is that this very man started a TV channel devoted to dispelling stereotypes about Muslims.
And then he beheads his own wife, cutting her head off with a knife. I mean really, who else beheads people? That is SUCH a Muslim thing to do! I mean, who didn’t read this story and go, “Yup, here we go, another Muslim sawing someone’s head off with a big knife… yawn, just like always….”
The only odd part was that it wasn’t to some Jewish captive, it was his WIFE!
Which just goes to prove my point about divorce: it always makes things worse:
–If you were a meek submissive beta to your wife, after she divorces you, you will probably scream at her.
–If you regularly screamed at her, after the divorce papers have been served, you will probably push her into a wall.
–If you were already shoving her around, after being served you will punch her daylights out.
And if you are already punching her, where else is there to go? That is the dilema this man faced.
So he did what is apparently the next natural step in Islamic escalation, I suppose: he cut off her head with a knife. (yeah, not a pleasant act… sheesh, he left cut marks in the tile floor where he did it…)
Geert Wilders is an ‘Islamophobe’ and a foot-soldier of Zionist mafia. His knowledge of Islam and Muslim world is as crude as the rants of Jewish Daniel Pipes.
When these Islamophobe talks about Muslim assimilation – they foget that Jewish communities who have lived in Europe for over 2,000 years – still refuses to assimmilate with the Christian majority nor they have changed their insulting view of Jesus and his mother Mary. This was one of the several reasons that Jewish communities were expelled from almost every European country in the past (from England for 350 years). However, now the tide has turned. Now the small Jewish minories control the destiny of almost entire West.
The Islamophobia is part of western history. when it comes to Islam, the Judeo-Christian fanatics and even Atheists like to bash Islam and Muslims. Karl Marx was Jewish so were Lenin and Stalin. They were not against all religions. Under Marxist rule, thousands of churches and mosques were destroyed but not a single Synagogue was destroyed.
Secularism is not “a direct product of Christian traditions and openness towards an independent civic existence” but a rebellion against Church’s dictorial dogma. Church taught racism against women, Jews and other non-Christians and was totally against scientific knowledge. The Western scholars were jealous of the free public education system and civil liberties being practiced in Muslim spain and Sicily. Islamic world played a major role in the western Renaissance.
In Islam, there is no separation between Church and the State. Moses received the Ten Commandments, which were based on religious morality and faith and nothing on governance. Jesus followed Moses Law with a few revealed interpretations – and left no code of governance or a family role model to be followed. He never married and had no children. Bible quotes Jesus (Mark 12:17) having said: “Give to Cessar what belongs to Cessar, and give to God what belongs to God”.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/no-left-or-right-just-islam/
The term “radical” has been applied to many people, who were considered threat to western colonization, such as Nelson Mandela, Rev. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, Sayyid Qutb, Dr. Ali Shari’ati (the Shia Qutb), Sayyid Maududi, Imam Khomeini, and others. However, now this term is being associated with any Muslim who dare to criticize foreign powers occupying tradionally Muslim lands espectially the Zionist regime in Jewish occupied Palestine. The western historians never called Nazis as “Judeo-Christian radicals” or IRA as “Catholic radicals” or the Jewish terrorist groups which killed tens of thousands of Palestinian natives – as “Jew radicals”.
Historically, many of Biblical prophets were “radicals” for challenging the status quo and taught against the corrupt and racist ruling classes – such as Abraham, Lot, Moses, Jesus – and of course the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), who became “the living example of progressive, emancipatory radicalism,” – as decribed by Michael Hart in his book, ‘The 100″.
The western governments, Jewish lobby groups and Christian Zionist organizations are investing hundreds of millions dollars each year to find and project the so-called “moderate Muslims”; fund Islamophobe intellectuals and dozens of anti-Islam think tanks (Rand, Ford Foundation, Asia Foundation, etc.), and the Jewish-controlled mass-media of course. Interestingly, to be a “moderate Muslim” too, has some limitations.
For example, Dr. Tariq Ramadan 46, found it the hard way in 2004 when he was declared as threat to “the US security” for criticizing his fellow Jewish ‘liberal intellectuals’, Dr. Bernard Lewis, Dr. Bernard-Henry Levy, Dr. Daniel Pipes, and Dr. Bernard Kouchner – for defending Israel, right or wrong. The Geneva-born Tariq is the maternal grandson of the founder of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, Imam Hasan al-Bana (martyred in 1948). The “moderate Muslim” was on his way to take-up his teaching appointment at the University of Notre Dam (Indiana), begining August 25, 2004. Tariq Ramadan used to be a darling of Jewish media for saying: “The 7th century Medina model of Islamic State is not only a dream. It is a lie.” Tariq also consider Shari’ah’s capital punishments as “inhumane”! Tariq’s other distorted views of Islam can be read in the interview he gave to Rosemary Bechler, Open Democracy, July 14, 2004.
Dr. Tariq Ramadan also maintained a distance from his elder brother, Hani Ramadan, a French school teacher, who is known for his so-called “radical” Islamic views. Hani wrote an article in the major French newspaper, Le Monde, to explain why Islam has such a zero tolerance for adultery and that it followed the Jewish biblical punishments of stoning to death a woman found guilty of committing adultery, for which Hani was suspended for teaching in the school.
Islam clearly prohibits a ‘pre-planned’ violence against civilians and acts of terror. However, terrorism and radicalism are two completely different things. It all depends who is using these terms. For the foreign occupiers of Muslim lands – all resistance to their occupation is considered as terrorism. Similarly, every Muslim who is proud to be following the Islamic Shari’ah (which doesn’t divide Islam into two independent spheres, one for the mosque and the other for the State – as is the case in Judaism and Christianity), is labeled as a “radical” or “terrorist” or “Jihadi”.
Islam is the religion of “the middle way” – “Thus have We made you an Ummah of the middle way, that ye might be witness over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourself,” – Holy Qur’an 2:143. However, Islamic message do challenges the institutionalized injustices, inhumanity, immorality, greed, and other evils in the world by establishing a new social order built on bonds of ethics, justice and trust. Islam rejects all forms of racism, caste system, all forms of oppression, usury, abuse of laws for the ‘chosen ones’ and dehumanization of man on the basis of colour, nationality and religion. All these principles are considered “radical”, especially in the societies controlled by the Zionist-controlled-governments (ZOG).
So, in conclusion, the next time some jerk call you “a radical Muslim”; don’t apologize, be proud.
There can never be peace in the world without justice. Everyone, including Muslims, need justice. But justice cannot be achieved without effort, both intellectual and physical. It involves challenging the power of the corrupt and greedy world elites, who do see Islam as a “radical” threat to their political, economic and cultural domination.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/nothing-wrong-being-a-radical-muslim/