British historian David Starkey’s indiscretion continues to rankle among the morally uplifted (“David Starkey’s views on race disgrace the academic world, say historians.”) 102 academics are horrified by his behavior, complaining that
his crass generalisations about black culture and white culturrrre as oppositional, monolithic entities demonstrate a failure to grasp the subtleties of race and class that would disgrace a first-year history undergraduate. In fact, it appears to us that the BBC was more interested in employing him for his on-screen persona and tendency to make comments that viewers find offensive than for his skills as a historian. (See the letter here.)
This episode is a good example of policing elite levels of discourse. People like Starkey represent a potentially grave threat to the system because they not only have excellent academic credentials, they also have access to the elite media. Deviations from the path of moral and political righteousness by people with Starkey’s stature must be severely punished. If at all possible, he must be removed from access to the elite media. The letter clearly aims at getting Starkey removed from his position at the BBC:
We the undersigned would therefore ask that the BBC and other broadcasters think carefully before they next invite Starkey to comment as a historian on matters for which his historical training and record of teaching, research and publication have ill-fitted him to speak.
I suppose it’s fair enough to bring up Starkey’s lack of academic publications on current race relations, although I rather doubt that they would have been disturbed if he had blamed it all on an evil monolithic White culture. In the original interview he mentioned a study he did of rap lyrics illustrating a Black subculture of hyper-masculinity, dominance, and violence. This is the culture he was portraying as at the root of the rioting, both because it is common among Blacks (Starkey explicitly stated it didn’t characterize all Blacks, so his comments are quite compatible with different Black sub-cultures) and because the (relatively few) Whites involved seem to have similar tendencies.
The historians’ letter simply asserts that things are more subtle and differentiated than Starkey represented them without saying exactly how they are more subtle and differentiated in a way that would make a difference to what Starkey is saying. One would think that when attacking a colleague, they might feel a little guilty for not being more specific–that they would feel a need to say what added subtlety would have cleared away all the clouds. I guess the idea is that if moral righteousness is on your side, you don’t have the usual scholarly obligations.
The letter also accuses him of bad behavior: ”He simply shouted [criticism] down; instead of debating his fellow panellists from a position of knowledge, he belittled and derided them.” I guess they were watching a different program than I did; again, I rather doubt Starkey’s behavior–after all, he was being vigorously attacked–would bother them if they agreed with his opinions.
It strikes me that these historians really don’t like the idea of culture as an explanation pretty much on the same grounds that they don’t like race. That is, these leftist academic activists would be aghast at the idea that biologically-based genetic differences made Blacks more prone to violence and criminality. So they throw race out and label anyone who suggests that race may be relevant as a “racist” or “Nazi”. Starkey neatly avoids talk about the biology of race. But his talk about a violent, hyper-masculine Black sub-culture is also objectionable because it locates the problematic culture in a subset of Black folks.
We see this all the time in the U.S. For example, the official view is more or less that poor school performance is entirely a problem of inadequate teachers and inadequate funding. Never the nature or even the nurture of the children. Recall Ronald Brownstein’s recent urging that we should “compensate” for Black family patterns and focus our efforts on spending more money. Lots more money. The problem is most definitely not in Blacks or their culture. End of story.
Actually, Brownstein commits a sin against political correctness by even referring to Black family patterns; way too monolithic to please these historians. If we took these academics seriously we wouldn’t be able to make any generalizations about a group at all. Obfuscation in the name of science–a field pioneered by Franz Boas with massive success: “Because of its rejection of fundamental scientific activities such as generalization and classification, Boasian anthropology may thus be characterized more as an anti-theory than a theory of human culture,” citing Leslie White (“ The social organization of ethnological theory.”Rice University Studies: Monographs in Cultural Anthropology 52(4):1–66, 1966, 15; see here, p. 25). The left is nothing if not creative in its approaches to science.
So the lesson for Starkey is clear: If he wants to remain in the good graces of his colleagues, he should attribute the rioting to poverty or something else where the blame is on some aspect of society that can be targeted by yet more social programs. Then they would be proud to have him labeled a historian when he is introduced by the BBC–whatever his expertise.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Seems to me that the 102 can be neatly hoist with their own petard. Let us accept for the moment that negro ills can only be cured by abundant distributions of wealth. It now follows that what our countries desperately need is a huge increase in the proportion of wealth producers in the population. I.e. to save the blacks we regrettably need more whites.
Kevin, I am going to make some generalizations here. Please do not take them as personal attacks.
I have attended university in 2 countries, have had neighbours who are academics, and family members who have advanced degrees including physicians. My job requires me to interact with many people at the Masters or PhD level. While most of them are nice people, it doesn’t follow that they have a good grip on reality outside their field of expertise. In fact, it seems the more eduction they have, the less they appear to be able to see what is going on around them.
I note in the letter, that the academics identify themselves by their positions at their respective universities. I have questioned, for many years, whether people who sign their letters to the editor(s): have been told by the university that the position taken by the writer is the official position of the institution; and/or whether these same people believe that they represent the views of all on campus. These are, of course, rhetorical questions. I take great exception to universities NOT taking action against these individuals, as comments such as the ones regarding Starkey go beyond academic freedom. They are personal opinions, perhaps libelous, that imply the university is in agreement.
Second, authors such as David Irving have been discounted by “historians” because he is not an academic. It doesn’t seem to matter that he uncovered documents no “academic” bothered to look for, or that while his methods are unorthodox from an academic perspective, his conclusions are, none the less. well founded.
In the above context, Starkey should be wearing their condemnation like a medal. As I have stated before, my kids have never heard my wife or I slur any race or religion. We have only encouraged them to think critically about whatever they hear or see. Both of them see through the multicultural bullshit, in spite of having had, in early school years non-white or Jewish/Muslim or other friends. I believe it is instinctive, and as you have pointed out on many occasions is essentially brain-washed out of them.
Kevin Just a small correction , You say : although I rather DOUBT that they would have been disturbed if he had blamed it all on an evil monolithic White culture .
We know their is no ‘doubt’ . The mob (Historians) led by the Race Commissars only start to have doubt when they see the rope thrown over a branch . The Apostate must be silenced and the mad mob are always ready to punish those who threaten the their status hierarchy and academic identity.
@dc:
More Whites,yes but only for the purpose of providing for more Blacks,the ultimate dream for these stupid,lazy parasites.But even this reasoning doesn’t fly with our egalitarian friends: Whites simply cannot be more intelligent and more diligent than Blacks,that idea would sin against their equality dogma.So they will continue with their campaign for more “social justice” (read: more parasitism at the cost of Whites) and for more “anti-racism” (read: more anti-White racism).The upshot will be the total exploitation of Whites (“social justice”) ending in their destruction (“the end of racism”).The cure would be to ship this whole “social construct” called the Black race out of Britain back to Africa where they can prove their “equality” by fending for themselves.Marxist dogma and a White Britain saved.
Whites subsidizing Blacks, which the result of the educational and welfare programs of the Marxist state, has to result in an increase the proportion of the population that in Black. What you subsidized you get more of. What you penalize you get less of. This is basic. Government policy objectively is pro-Balck and anti-White.
Why? Who benefits? The results are too obvious to be accidental. If American White Christians have any doubt as to what their place in the endgame is they need only to look at the greatest ethnic cleansing in the West of the 20th century, the Holodomor. You know, the mass murder that the media does not know about. The one crying out for its details to be examined. It stands in opposition to the Holocaust, that never shuts up and is so self evident that one can be imprisoned for searching for evidence of it.
Don’t kid yourself Americans, if the Jews were willing to kill about a quarter of the population of White Christian Ukraine, in a manner so cruel as to make a gas chamber seem like a merciful blessing, they will joyfully do the same, or worse, to you.
The trajectory of present day American government policies on immigration, education, housing, employment, welfare and every department that can in some measure be recruited into the project of genocide is the extermination of White Christian America. It is being done under the rubric of anti-racism. Anti-racism is code for anti-White. Anti-racism is a tool for genocide.
Kevin
It really pains me to write this..
But you really are missing the boat here as much as Skarkley does. The problem with black violence in England is a direct consequence of Englands post-WW11 immigration policy. What does Starkely propose as a solution? Immigration created the problem in th first place. His focus on black culture and your focus on the biological inderpinnings of the riots in England takes the focus completely of of post-WW2 immigration policy. In other other words, it is the English Elites’ post-WW2 policy of race-replacing the Native English that caused the riots a few weeks back. This is what Starkley should have said unequivocably. Starkely is just a coward.
England Wales and Scotland are doomed societies. Write them off. The English are basically faggots as this point in time who will be race-replaced by the muslims and the Africans. At least in America there is a growing core of White Americans who are figting back.
Civlization in England will just collapse. At this point in time we should just write it off.
Warning to the Jews…if “America” is broken up into separate race-based nation states..you guys are finished. The non-whites will not tolerate your presence their homelands and the Native Born White Christian areas will tun you upon you..they will realize they never should have trusted you in the first place…think about it.
I don’t know how you could read me as not realizing that immigration is the ultimate problem. We have had quite a bit about that on TOO.
We must learn to see when things are moving our way. Whenever a respected public figure states the obvious about the results of multiculturalism ordinary folks are strengthened. This is precisely why there is such a fierce reaction from the current elite. Anyone who has ever seen a science teacher demonstrate titration will have understand.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Quite.
Neither negros nor jews can support themselves at the desired level of prosperity.
Our choice is one between a fight with very limited chances of success and straightforward suicide. “Do not go gently into that good night …”
The witless self-righteousness of the Eng “intellectual” appalls and disgusts. With Curmudgeon I wonder at the presumption of the 102. Who are they? What notion of integrity permits this behaviour?
We must force them to define their terms. What is a “racist”, what is wrong with being a “racist”, will the definition be the same tomorrow, …? Ditto for “National Socialist” and “antisemite”.
I’d say more, but the moderators here are too delicate.
Held for moderation for what?
A quotation:
Die erste offizielle Kriegserklärung gab der Präsident der jüdischen Weltliga, Bernat Lecache, schon 1932, also noch während der Weimarer Republik, in Paris ab: “Deutschland ist unser Staatsfeind Nummer eins. Es ist unsere Sache, ihm erbarmungslos den Krieg zu erklären.” “Wir Juden sind die mächtigste Nation auf der Welt, weil wir die Macht besitzen und sie anzuwenden verstehen.” Die erste offizielle Kriegserklärung gab der Präsident der jüdischen Weltliga, Bernat Lecache, schon 1932, also noch während der Weimarer Republik, in Paris ab: “Deutschland ist unser Staatsfeind Nummer eins. Es ist unsere Sache, ihm erbarmungslos den Krieg zu erklären.” “Wir Juden sind die mächtigste Nation auf der Welt, weil wir die Macht besitzen und sie anzuwenden verstehen.”
Isn’t it self-evident that Black and Afro-culture is alien and morally dysfunctional relative to the traditional and native cultures of Western civilization? Only a deluded, statist-liberal establishment that exists in an artificial bubble of profound denial (similar to, for example, the oppressive, deluded medieval Church prior to the Reformation) could collectively pretend to believe otherwise.
Saying Black and Afro-culture is different and (from the organic Western perspective) lesser than Western culture isn’t the same as saying that all Blacks should be deported back to Africa. (IMO, they should be approached the same way as Jewry should be approached wherein Zionists belong in Israel and not the West; similarly, organized Black gangsters, tribalists and hostiles belong in Africa and assimilating Blacks of good will should be left alone.)
It is only the alien intellectual and social movement of moral relativism that has been imposed by establishment Jewry, leftists and globalists upon the West that prevents Western people from declaring that Western civilization is superior to Black and Afro-civilization. And how insane is that, that Western peoples can’t declare their own civilization preferable and superior to some primitive, alien culture imported by Jews and money-worshipping globalist slavers from the other side of the world and transplanted into the West for their own particularistic, short-term monetary gain?
Maybe Jewry and the Anglo-fascist globalist and liberal establishment insists we can’t point out that Afro-culture is lesser than Western because the next step is asking around about who the hell was it that brought this violent alien culture here in the first place, and why?
Left-liberals may protest: what did the Left have to do with importing Black slaves?
The fact is, today’s left-liberal establishment is on a direct continuum with organized Jewry (which was intimately involved in both the formulation of leftism and with the global slave trade), and additionally with the globalist importation of cheap labor into the West to both appease corporatists and to sustain the massive welfare state, which leftist elites have used to enrich themselves by taking large chunks of the statist largesse for themselves.
I think of leftism, Zionism, and globalism as one massive pyramid scheme designed to enrich and empower a narrow band of self-serving, cynical and morally reprehensible elites pulling the strings behind the scenes of it all. Because so many of these are particularistic sociopaths, they have zero guilt about what it has done and what they are doing to Western civilization, and zero qualms about living the good life today by plundering and destroying the civilization that made the good life possible in the first place.
Violent, tribal Blacks are indeed a problem, but these sociopathic White and Jewish “elites” are an even bigger one.
Many intellectuals hate, or are very concerned about their lives, or were manipulated by other intellectuals (food chain lie) or do not care for the people, after all belong to the elite!
They are very naive or very badly.
The world was dominated by Romanticism 60 years of reckless youth. Anyone realistic and objective in the present day is labeled as racist. All the Marxist method is based on the attempt to take the race from the center of anthropology. They’re running in circles, it is impossible to throw the race to the periphery, because there is a hierarchy of importance that makes us move, the first course is biological. Any question raised by them is synonymous with race.
@Thiago: “the first course is biological”
I’m not sure that’s entirely true, particularly among the ruthless, sociopathic elite.
Stalin may be an extreme example, but he’s illustrative of the poisonous Bolshevik/Marxist/Zionist mentality that spans left to right, and has infected millions. From Wikipedia:
“Stalin’s son Yakov, whom he had with his first wife Ekaterina Svanidze, shot himself because of Stalin’s harshness toward him, but survived. After this, Stalin said “He can’t even shoot straight”.[290] Yakov served in the Red Army during World War II and was captured by the Germans. They offered to exchange him for Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus, who had surrendered after Stalingrad, but Stalin turned the offer down, stating “You have in your hands not only my son Yakov but millions of my sons. Either you free them all or my son will share their fate.” Afterwards, Yakov is said to have committed suicide, running into an electric fence in Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was being held.”
Where the rubber meets the road, these psychopaths will ultimately put money, power and political ideology over kin if that kin is seriously in the way of their interests.
But perhaps for these, biology truly is the first course…their own biology!
I’ve read on several occasions accounts by anti-Zionist Jews who were threatened by their parents to be totally cut off if they didn’t cease and desist. Hard core Judeo-Christian Zionists seem to be the same.
What’s the common denominator between Marxism and Judeo-Zionism?
These people and those under their sway seem to be possessed by either metaphysical evil or biological sociopathic narcissism.
Chris Moore
seems to be the Jewish nature of this type of parasite behavior sickening. Do they selected the ”smart”and evil over the centuries?
Is it possible to select certain behavior in a population?
What I know is that we are ideologically polluted, the only way to focus our thinking is backwards anthropocentrism (the complete disregard for nature and its influences in humans, ”the man does not need to explain the nature of their society”, so biology is not important to understand violence above the average for blacks) to the men x nature ratio.
@Chris Moore: “What’s the common denominator between Marxism and Judeo-Zionism?”
Chris, I think you must mean that question to be rhetorical. We both know the answer: hatred of the Cross, of Him who was crucified, and of those that follow Him.
Professor MacDonald: I am sure that you noted—perhaps others did, too—that the person assigned by the Telegraph to publicize the the Establishment historians’ hit on Starkey was a bratty twenty-something “showbusiness editor” called Anna Singh. I am led to conclude that the Tribe must be very uncomfortable indeed with this situation. Otherwise I hardly think that they would so insultingly pretend that Starkey’s views on this matter are equivalent in respectworthiness to those of, say, some filthy Jamaican rap singer’s.
I am left to wonder whether the article’s author, who has now shown that she is willing and eager to [ahem] singh for her supper, will get a promotion to a post more in line with her talents. Something involving topless images of her on YouTube springs unbidden to mind.
The “boasian” approach is to invert the natural order of things….and if the natural order of things can best be represented by an upright pyramidical shape, the “boasian” strategy can best be represented by an inverted pyramidical shape, overlayed directly over the natural order of things.
Think about it…an upright pyramidical shape with an inverted pyramidical shape always superimposed over the natural oreder of things!
The Gov TV station in Australia–ABC(Aust Broadcasting Corp) did a news documentary on the British Race Riots which blamed the Police, Gov and society but never did the theory of multiculturalism or the suitability of allow feudal and primitive low IQ peoples to flood into Britain by the millions . The MSM becomes more and more absurd .
The absurdity is magnified by the fact the any Jo or Journalist can jump on the internet and cross check the facts . We really are starting to enter into a dystopic , ‘brave new world’ where intelligent people are being forced to lie for the State to main the social controls that will take use to Nirvana . And what of 9/11 ? In a strange way what Talmudic Zionist are corrupting is the very foundations of the west by training the Middle Class to be professional liars or actors (like American Politicians) . Once society is entrained like this then the social conformity takes over and everybody is expected to interact in a false basis , creating a pathology (as with the Left Wing) if you will , where reality becomes lost making people even more sheepish–the panic , the disorientation when the penalized view surfaces . I saw this a couple of years ago when an old Journalist was contradicted by the Australian PM and the Journalist became bewildered–the LeftWing bigots house is made of pure indocrination and by giving each other social blessing it reinforce this Saints Club that they have made themselves believe they belong to . Perhaps this in an angle to attack them from , though it is difficult because the lefty refuse the company on any who won’t accept their religion .Bigots.
I’m glad that John Cleese, the comic actor who lives in California apparently, but is archetypally English, has said that London no longer feels like an English city:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032956/John-Cleese-London-longer-English-city-thats-got-2012-Olympics.html
The amount of immigration is just so visible nowadays that there have to be comments – and look at the weak comments by Johnson and Livingstone (Tory and Labour mayoral candidates) in response. 2.7 million out of 8 million London residents were born outside the UK.
I guess the response goes back to the domain-specific ability to recognise kinsmen. Personally, I feel it threatening to be surrounded by foreigners in your home country, as the thought occurs that ‘if they all ganged up, what then?’ I’ve just been visiting relatives, who recounted several stories of being robbed abroad, which is an adventure in a way, but you don’t want to have to deal with that day to day on your home turf.
@Chris Moore:
Chris Moore;
Most elequenly put! Without “Big Brother” and his democracy con/swindle, all the other problems would be manageable.
More on John Cleese’s refreshing opinions on London as covered in the UK media:
The Express (mid-market tabloid):
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/268680/John-Cleese-London-s-no-longer-an-English-city
(see the comments!)
The Sun (right redtop):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3791303/John-Cleese-London-is-no-longer-English-city.html
From the Telegraph (Tory):
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100084274/london-is-no-longer-an-english-city-says-john-cleese-is-he-right/
The Mirror (left redtop):
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/09/02/john-cleese-claims-london-is-no-longer-an-english-city-115875-23391257/
(with Cleese saying his piece)
Evening Standard (London evening)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23983436-londoners-hit-back-as-cleese-says-city-is-no-longer-english.do
That is, sad to say, John Cleese the Liberal Democrat supporter of all things!
@Lancashire lad: As I have posted previously, the London in which I spent many weeks in 1972 is not the London I last visited in 2005. In between, I visited many times and saw the changes each time. The simplest indicator of “Englishness”, queuing for busses, died many years ago.
As aside, during my stay in 1974, I was staying in a B&B near Clapham Common, one tube stop from Brixton. The English friend that I was visiting, born in the East End, lived in the Marylebone/Fitzrovia area near Regent’s Park. Both he and his wife commented on my choice of residence: ‘it’s like darkest Africa down there’ and recommended taking a cab home rather than risk walking from the tube station. I had actually spent little time in the area for the short time I had been there, and had not paid much attention to the population. I did the next day. In walking East on Clapham Park Road toward Brixton, the “scenery” and “mood” became darker, as it did walking South toward Balham. As you know “Brixton in flames” followed a few years later.
@Curmudgeon: I should have added that, other than flying into Heathrow, I do not go to London any longer.
I meant to say one tube stop from Balham, not Brixton.
David Starkey is a homosexual. Being an Israel-Firster – David loves to divert British public attention from the Israeli crimes. BBC, a Jewish-occupied network could not have found a racist person other than David Starkey – other than Benji Netanyahu.
I am sure even Zionist Occupied Government in London would not think of expelling Blacks for 350 years as an ealier British government did.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/bbcs-jews/
“Boasian anthropology may thus be characterized more as an anti-theory than a theory of human culture” Yup.
So in primitive cultures there is more selection for intelligence !
Reading through many of the 900+ posts on that piece in the totally controlled British media hearkens my heart and uplifts my soul for our poor, racially-aware, intelligent, beleaguered brethren suffering mightily in the (once) Great Britain under Jewish dominance and communist “globalism.”
Love you, British posters; keep fighting the good fight!
The extraordinary postings from the following are now only available by subscribing to this English patriot’s website (I’ve saved them in their “sterling” entirety including my own contributions, but they are much too lengthy to re-post here), but his case against the banksters’ is preserved and shows that we have our kicking-and-screaming Western brethren not going down without a fight:
http://www.ukcolumn.org/
The Bank of England, Sterling and Government Treason (the column)
http://www.infowars.com/bank-of-england-sterling-and-government-treason/