Gilad Atzmon Replies

Gilad Atzmon has responded to my review of his The Wandering Who? His comments say a lot about who he is and how he comes to his conclusions. First, he titles his comment “Supremacists on ‘The Wandering Who’“, the word ‘supremacist’  being the term of art used by by anti-White organizations like the SPLC and the ADL to vilify any White person with a sense of racial identity and interests. While the SPLC and the ADL are quite fond of other groups with strong identities (e.g., Blacks, Latinos, Jews, and Muslims), Atzmon is being consistent here: His real complaint is that a strong Jewish identity leads to the horrors of the brutal Zionist occupation, so it is not surprising that he opposes any sense of White racial identity as well.

In a way, I can sympathize with Atzmon’s sentiment. If America had remained 90% White and was not threatened by the massive invasion of strongly identified groups hostile to the traditional people and culture of America, there would be no reason for Whites to develop a strong racial identity. Individualism works well in homogeneous, implicitly White societies, but will break down under the current multi-cultural onslaught.  When people perceive themselves to be under threat from cohesive outgroups, psychological mechanisms of social identity kick in and they assume a group identity themselves—even people who are prone to individualism.

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Atzmon loves the ideal of post-Enlightenment European individualism. I do too. The problem is that I think that it is very unlikely that Western individualism will survive the assault by the Jewish left. As mentioned in my review:

In the long run, I predict that the Diaspora strategy of the Jewish mainstream will lead to a resurgence of racial identity in the West as Whites realize that they and their culture are under assault by massive non-White immigration and multiculturalism. Judaism is indeed incompatible with Western culture, and as its influence grows, the West will inevitably be Balkanized into competing ethnic/racial groups—precisely the population structure that inevitably results from a powerful strategizing group in a Diaspora context, exacerbated now by the massive immigration and multiculturalism unleashed by Jewish intellectual and political movements.

In Separation and Its Discontents I provided several examples where Western individualism collapsed as a result of group-based competition from Jews as a strategizing outgroup. Indeed, the Zionists were quite aware of this. Late-19th-century Zionists commonly believed that an important source of opposition to liberalism among non-Jews stemmed from the perception that liberalism benefited Jews; thus Theodor Herzl believed that “emancipation had placed an intolerably heavy strain on Austrian liberals, who had to defend an economic system that eased the way for recent outsiders into positions of prominence” (see here, p. 171). Ultimately, liberalism did indeed fail with the rise of National Socialism.

Now one could suppose that in an ideal world everyone would give up his/her racial ethnic identities and individualism could flourish. Atzmon is indeed a misty-eyed idealist. He closes his blog with this:

Yesterday evening I stumbled across these beautiful lines by Indian Guru Satya Sai Baba. If you really want to know what I think about race, ethnicity and origin, let Satya Sai Baba speak on my behalf.

“There is only one RACE
The race of humankind
There is only one religion
The religion of LOVE
There is only ONE language
the language of the HEART”

That’s wonderful, but it’s just not going to happen, and believing that it will happen is simply to endanger Whites because they are the only people on the globe who are allowing themselves to be displaced by other peoples—none of whom are willing to renounce their identities or group interests and none of whom subscribe to these sentiments. Jews are Exhibit A in that regard. The fact is that Whites and a few Indian philosophers and renegade Jews like Atzmon are the only people in the world who really think like this.

Finally, Atzmon is unapologetic about ignoring the population genetic data showing that Jews are indeed an ethnic entity or the data showing that Jews have been deeply concerned about racial purity since the origins of the Diaspora. He simply disagrees that Judaism has any ethnic coherence while agreeing that “Jewish culture, politics and ideology are all racially oriented.”

This is the kind of stance that drives me crazy. People think they can develop adequate theories even though they simply avoid discussing all the relevant data. Notice that Atzmon doesn’t dispute the genetic data, but simply refuses to consider it. One is always free to do that, but it certainly removes one from the realm of science and honest scholarship to do so. In this regard, Atzmon, the self-described “proud, self-hating Jew” firmly situates himself in the long line of Jewish intellectual movements discussed in The Culture of Critique where the goal was to fashion theories that serve political and ethnic interests without regard for the truth.

If there is one thing we know at this point in our history, bad theories can be extremely dangerous—that they can indeed be lethal to the legitimate interests of Whites. The Kumbaya ideology that there are no races is just that: A lethal ideology for the only people who will ever in their majority take it seriously—White people.

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208 Comments to "Gilad Atzmon Replies"

  1. john thames's Gravatar john thames
    November 4, 2011 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Just for the record I am not Zion Crime Factory.It really does not matter whether the Jews are Khazars or not; the relevant factor is that they are against us. But I find it intensely annoying when a professional academic flatly misrepresents evidence by saying that there is no genetic evidence in favor of Khazar genes in the Jewish population. That is like saying that because “gas chambers” are a myth that the Germans shot no Jews in Russia.

  2. iboTTs's Gravatar iboTTs
    October 30, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell: Typical liberal feminist dafty: avoid my criticism of non-Whites and attack me personally. Yeah, well, once Whites become the minority, you-being a female-can kiss goodbye to woman rights. You’ll be chained to the kitchen sink.

  3. October 30, 2011 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    @iboTTs: You sound like you are a Jewish supremacist. If you are not a Jewish supremacist, then you think like one. So you might as well be one. Case closed.

  4. iboTTs's Gravatar iboTTs
    October 30, 2011 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell: Yeah, you’re right. The nice Muslim family that lives next to me are big on circumcision-sexual mutilation of children, and just love their Halal meat. I guess I should just overlook all that and treat them like my White friends who are appalled by these practices, as I am. But you’re obviously fine with that.

    I judge them strictly on their actions.

  5. October 30, 2011 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @iboTTs: AS IF some people who are Whites and Christians have not been and cannot be cruel? Perhaps you are the one who is dishonest and afraid of the Truth that we are all God’s children but we are all capable of both bad and good– we have the free will to decide. No person or people are better than another. Judge people by their actions, not their religion or skin color or gender, etc.

  6. iboTTs's Gravatar iboTTs
    October 30, 2011 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Professor,

    I know Atzmon’s stance against the Jewish supremacists is good, but, on the other hand, he’s still pushing the whole Marx/Lysenko/Communist theory of “environmentalism”, what with his “there is only one human race” nonsense. These environmentalists are incapable of acknowledging just how brutal and cruel Blacks/Asians/Muslims really are, and just how incompatible they are with European values and ideals.

    And that’s just simply dishonest.

  7. October 25, 2011 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I am not posting as “John Thames”. that’s a different person.

    But that doesn’t constitute “hypocrisy”. It means he apparently has different views than you do. Maybe some of the views you hold just aren’t taken seriously by him and the other editors.

    It is hypocrsiy because MacDonald claims Atzmon disregards all the relevant data with a certain issue, but then goes on to do that himself with other topics.

    And some of the views he holds just aren’t taken seriously by me and eons of other people, such as his view that the holocaust basically happened as alleged and that 9/11 was done by 19 cavedwellers with boxcutters.

    That doesn’t mean a person is towing the “party line” (which is another shot at character by the way).

    Actually, MacDonald is towing the party line on 9/11 and the Holocaust. His views on those issues aren’t qualitatively different than the Jewish MSM.

    I assume they don’t want the site to be a repository for every speculative theory that someone’s grandmother came up with.

    Such as the preposterous speculative theory that 19 muslims pulled off the largest, most sophisticated terror attack in US history without a hitch?

  8. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 24, 2011 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @john thames: @john thames: OK, so I am assuming ZionCrimeFactory and john thames are the same person. Well, now you are talking about a technical argument regarding Khazars which I can’t really respond to. But there have been several articles and many long posts on the issue here on TOO, so it has hardly been avoided as a topic.

    And you are lumping this Khazar theory in with all the others (911, holocaust wasn’t real). You didn’t attack him originally based on the Khazar theory. But like I said, I see the issue discussed at TOO, I see that MacDonald himself wrote articles on it, I see where posters like yourself have submitted long posts arguing the other side. How is that “towing the party line”? (which again suggests a character flaw on some editors part).

    Your posts are an attack on someone’s character, not just a disagreement on facts and theories. I see this repeatedly among a small subset of WNs: If you don’t agree with every last theory of theirs, then you must be a vile person, who is a cowardly servant of the Jewish power! Come on, dude.

  9. john thames's Gravatar john thames
    October 24, 2011 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    There is absolutely nothing “speculative” about anything I write. It is all documented and factually unimpeachable. This is not about having different opinions. It is about Kevin MacDonald deliberately falsifying data on subjects dear to his heart. There is genetic evidence in favor of the Khazar conversion to Judaism – and MacDonald knows it. As to “speculation” I can hardly think of a more egregious example than the hocus pocus of Darwinian evolution, which relies on precisely such speculation to fill in the huge gaps in evidence that it lacks.

    Sine I lack tenure and can be fired “at will”, like the black substitute teacher in Los Angeles, I have good reasons for my prudence. Back to the Khazars. Professor MacDonald wishes to rest his case on one recent genetic study that he believes is determinative, I think otherwise. Reaching a reasoned conclusion on any subject requires looking at the totality of the evidence, something which MacDonald is most assuredly not doing. The ancient chroniclers were unanimous on such a conversion; unlike Jews prevaricating about “gas chambers”, they had no reason to lie. Archaeological excavations also verify the conversion. Khazar burial mounds with Torah Scrolls, coins minted in Hebrew with the letters “Moses is the messenger of God” lend unambiguous support for the theory. The heartland of the old Khazar Empire is filled with hundreds of thousands of Jews in precisely the area where the Khazars once resided. The Arab and other chroniclers of the Khazars described them as white (at least the ruling classes) with wild, shaggy, reddish hair with high cheekbones, protruding ears and noses and Mongoloid features imposed on white faces. Anyone can look at New York Jews, such as Pamela Geller, the actress Deborah Unger and many, many others and see that they do indeed show precisely these physical characteristics. Why?

    The Tel Aviv linguist, Paul Wexler, has argued in his books that Eastern Yiddish is not a German language at all, but a graft of German vocabulary onto a grammar Turkic or Slavic. Let us assume that Wexler, despite the opposition of most of his colleagues, is right. Where would tens of thousands of Jews speaking Slavic or Turkic come from, if not from a mass Turkic-Slavic conversion to Judaism? Kevin MacDonald also ignores the very real possibility that large numbers of Slavic subjects also converted to Judaism under the influence of their Khazar overlords. That would increase the number of Jews attributable to Khazar influence while minimizing the direct Khazar genetic contribution. Finally, MacDonald shows absolutely no cognizance of the immense problems involved in using genetic testing on events of 1200 years ago. Genetic testing is a set of comparisons. For the comparisons to be meaningful, the comparisons must be as complete and precise as possible. We do not know exactly how many genetic groups or subgroups existed in the Khazar population or what percentage of Khazars fell into which groups. Nor do we know how similar or dissimilar Khazar DNA was to that of the surrounding tribes. Then there is the terrifically significant problem of intermixing of Khazars with both Middle Eastern Jews, Slavs and western Jews moving eastward.

    In addition to all this Venetian legates of Marco Polo’s time traveling east to visit the Chines court of Kublai Khan were well aware of a tribe of Jewish Turks in the Crimea called “Ghuzzari”. Clearly, the Khazars were still around and practicing Judaism several centuries after the break up of their empire. If, in spite of all of this, Kevin MacDonald still wishes to believe, based on selective genetic studies, that the Khazar contribution to the Jewish gene pool was minimal, then he has much to learn.

  10. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 24, 2011 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @john thames: But that doesn’t constitute “hypocrisy”. It means he apparently has different views than you do. Maybe some of the views you hold just aren’t taken seriously by him and the other editors. That doesn’t mean a person is towing the “party line” (which is another shot at character by the way). And here you are using multiple anonymous names to accuse someone else of not have sufficient strength of character!

    I assume they don’t want the site to be a repository for every speculative theory that someone’s grandmother came up with.

  11. john thames's Gravatar john thames
    October 24, 2011 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Kevin MacDonald deserves much credit for taking on the Jews. But on other subjects he is as doctrinaire and party line as any other academic. I stand unapologetically on what I wrote.

  12. October 24, 2011 - 1:26 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: @Jason Speaks:

    He has allowed conversation of the topics you mentioned (we get posts on it all the time) and he has allowed at least one main article relating to 911 alternate theories.

    Well I would hope he allows discussion on those subjects, else one might suspect a gate-keeping operation afoot.

    I find it annoying when people attack another person’s character because he or she doesn’t champion some particular theory.

    Pointing out hypocrisy = attacking someone’s character?

    The good professor IS being hypocritical when he complains about Atzmon’s refusal to endorse Mr. MacDonald’s particular theory. He says it drives him crazy, even though he’s guilty of that himself on a number of issues.

  13. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 24, 2011 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    @ZionCrimeFactory: You accused MacDonald of hypocrisy and implied a lack of courage. Considering the man has had d*ath threats, I don’t think a lack of courage is his problem.

    He has allowed conversation of the topics you mentioned (we get posts on it all the time) and he has allowed at least one main article relating to 911 alternate theories.

    I find it annoying when people attack another person’s character because he or she doesn’t champion some particular theory. Also, I don’t think this site is supposed to a repository for everyone to drop their favorite “taboo” theory. It isn’t the “taboo-ness” that counts. You can click on the Mission Statement section and see what the site is about.

  14. October 24, 2011 - 12:45 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks

    I thought this site is all about breaking taboo’s? It appears the Holohoax and 9/11 are too taboo for TOO.

  15. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 24, 2011 - 12:25 am | Permalink

    @ZionCrimeFactory: Well not everyone has your level of personal courage to go out and speak on taboo topics, Mr ZionCrimeFactory. In fact, a lot people just hide behind silly internet monikers.

  16. October 24, 2011 - 12:04 am | Permalink

    MacDonald writes:

    This is the kind of stance that drives me crazy. People think they can develop adequate theories even though they simply avoid discussing all the relevant data.

    Slightly hypocritical coming from Mr. MacDonald who himself avoids discussing all the relevant data proving that 9/11 was a Jew Job, and the Holocaust a giant fraud from top to bottom.

  17. October 23, 2011 - 11:51 pm | Permalink

    @Rehmat:

    Funny how an Arab/Muslim living in the West, like you, fully supports Arab nationalism across the board but denounces White nationalism. Gotta love non-white double standards.

  18. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 17, 2011 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    @ Franklyn, Did you do some sincere Shlugging of that chicken, with your eyes closed, on eventide October seventh? remember to recite Mahzor while you Shlugged?

  19. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 17, 2011 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell 10/15/11-1:10 pm: Hey Windy. I see that you are talking to yourself now. Good company?

  20. franklin's Gravatar franklin
    October 17, 2011 - 9:19 am | Permalink

    Your boohoo letter proves what I’m saying, 3D. You come from a people of passivity. They’re pawns. Everything is about what others have DONE to you and yours. How’d your President Roosevelt get into office? People didn’t have to vote for him – but millions upon millions of stupid goyim do whatever they’re told. Was your daddy a Silver Shirt? Was he in America First? Why not? Why’d your family stay here in this place after it was clear what was coming? Why didn’t your dad try to get you out? On and on the questions go. Sheep blame wolves for being wolves, instead of themselves for being sheep. That’s the way it’ll be forever, I imagine.

    Julian Lee, you’re always a trip, with that weird posed photograph, musing, staring off into the distance, all soft lit. You’re playing a game, pal, Dungeons and Dragons, perhaps, some role-playing fantasy. Honestly, I’m not saying this snarkily, but to point out a particular type who make a mockery of this struggle to survive that’s being waged.

    Yeah, I singled out your bleeding heart veteran tale. I’m showing one of your evolutionary failures. Everyone gets your comments about diverse communities. Gasp. They don’t work! In other news, the sun’ll be rising tomorrow. But it should be noted, for weepy old sentimentalists and admirers of veterans alike, that the murderers in American forces haven’t done anything for your people for a long, long, long time. I don’t care about the “decent guy” who’s going to follow dem orders and shove me into a prison camp with his gun when he’s told to. I don’t care about some guy who gung-ho heads off to a foreign land to wipe out people who stand in the way of this place and its policies. He’s not me. Get it through your head, ALL WHITE PEOPLE AREN’T ONE. Those antifa who made/make your life hard up in Oregon are your race too. Do you feel loyalty toward them when they’re attacking you? They’re the same as the crippled soldier you pity, filled with the dictates of those in charge, lacking any ability to decide for themselves whether they’re helping or harming long term racial goals. I know, I know, these poor fellows have been “tricked into war” and then “regret it”, just like the whiny old man’s father on Okinawa.

    Cold evolution says that if your people consist of a group who are continually “tricked” into killing and being killed by others, then that group has proved itself not intelligent enough to last long in this struggle.

    Nostalgia for your little school, just like for the old man’s hardware store, is pathetic. That’s like pining for the day when your cancer wasn’t nearly as advanced as it is now, instead of wanting to be healthy.

  21. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 17, 2011 - 4:12 am | Permalink

    My point was simply than an indigent or distressed person (for whatever reason he’s distressed) is going to get more empathy from an environment dominated by people of his own race. But in increasingly multicultural Portland, passerby have markedly decreasing concern for him. And this is a trait of the “diverse” “communities.” (I use “communities” with tongue in cheek.) But “Franklin” chose, for whatever reason, to miss my central point and conjecture whether the veteran (which he put in scare quotes, strangely) was a Bad Veteran or whatever.

  22. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 17, 2011 - 4:08 am | Permalink

    They are men who want to serve and follow orders, and are usually tricked into the wars they participate in, and regret it. Their energies have simply been misdirected. They are the warrior type men we need, only directed in the right directions.

  23. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 17, 2011 - 1:22 am | Permalink

    In my experience, Veterans are very decent people, as a group. They are more responsible and productive than the general population, or at least on par. Most of them have at least as much concern for moral issues as the average White American. That’s been my experience and I believe the statistics back me up.

  24. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 17, 2011 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    Look at the wizard, Julian Lee – he feels sympathy for some guy, a “veteran” who went out and murdered other people for the people who run this place,

    Don’t misrepresent my post, “Franklin.” I don’t know what the fellow did or what war he was even in. I felt sympathy for him because 1) it was cold, 2) he was in a wheelchair, 3) he was begging for money, 4) He been used in a war, and 5) He was one of my own race. Did you think it was wrong.

    As to being a “wizard,” I don’t know what that entails. Maybe you can enlighten me about wizards, snarkmaster.

    a former enforcer for the ideals of this country, ideals he then rails against.

    Who “railed” against what “ideals”?

    It’s more a gathering place for kvetchers than for men and women who want to survive.

    Your post has the kvetchiest tone of any I’ve read on this thread.

  25. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 16, 2011 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee: This is a great line:

    You like that kind of diversity because you don’t appreciate your own heritage, and because you are jaded to the great diversity in your own heritage itself.

    We are losing an appreciation for the great vibrance and diversity of our own White culture. Italian culture, English culture, French culture, Swedish culture, German culture, Polish culture, Russian culture, Spanish culture, traditional American and Australian culture, plus so many more.

    In fact, I wonder if Whites aren’t naturally more diverse in their cultures due to our individualism than other groups. But regardless, we need to recapture an appreciation for the many manifestations of White culture. Maybe in the future we can put away the pointless squabbles between the French, Germans, English, etc.

  26. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 16, 2011 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    @ Franklin: Your assertion: “Your parents, grand parents, etc… certainly didn’t do anything to stop this world from coming about.” You are exactly right! My “parents, grand parents, etc…” were pretty busy trying to survive the “Great Depression” engineered by the Jewish owned Central Bank that was founded by immigrant Jewish German banking expert, Paul Warburg, and his Shabbos Goy, Senator Nelson Aldrich, in 1913. Hard times, those. My mother nearly starved to death one winter in a drafty cabin in the mountains of Idaho. They were reduced to lard, flour and water pancakes at one point. Yep! kept them pretty busy, and inatentave too, dumb Goy. Things got better after about ten years or so, though. President Franklyn Rosen Veld finally came up with a really good jobs plan. He manipulated the Japanese into attacking Pearl harbor, and in righteous indignation declared war on Germany. My Daddy got scooped up, given a rifle, and sent to have some fun on an island called Okinawa. He left some blood, and a big chunk of his right femer bone there, on a rain soaked, maggot infested field where lots of other inatentive Goy Boys were having similar fun. Daddy was sent home in a body cast, and wore a heavy steel brace on his leg for many years after. Where I, personally was concerned, the living conditions, for the families of the soldiers in training were so degraded that I, at the age of six months came very near to dying of dysentery. Darn Goy, never could keep a clean house! So, you see, Franklyn I will be eternally gratefull for your sage observtion that it is MY PEOPLE that are to blame for allowing vermin to overrun the house and wreck the furniture. I guess we just got sleepy and lost track of the things that really mattered. Shucks!

  27. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 16, 2011 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    @ Julian Curtis Lee: Nice post. I was going to respond to that same post, but you pretty much covered it for me. I have to work at not getting rude when some bubblehead starts waxing eloquent about “DIVERSITY”. I miss the days when I could walk into the local hardware store and the third generation proprietor would say to me: “What can I do for you son?” And I’d tell him about this nifty idea i had for this school project, and he’d take me into the basement where there were bins full of mysterious brass gizmo’s, and start rummaging around to see if he could find the right gizmo for my project. All the while he would keep up a steady patter of talk; about this, about that, about nothing in particular, really. That is until he found the right brass gizmo, and then it was “Well, lookie hear! And we’d get down to business. I have a soft spot in my heart for gabby old men and well worn brass. That store is out of business now. one hundred years serving that town and a Wall Mart down the street did it in. What I will never understand is the lack of loyalty displayed by the townspeople who, in saving a few bucks wrote the death certificate for a venerable local business. Don’t nobody rhapsodize to me about diversity, by golly! I might get rude.

  28. franklin's Gravatar franklin
    October 16, 2011 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    “I didn’t let them in. My parents didn’t let them in, my grandparents didn’t let them in, no one I know let them in. ”

    Well then, if you’re any type of WN, you’ll have to accept that A) Somewhere along the line, here, your “race” did, in fact, “let them in”, no matter how much you want to make tired analogies about you, the human being with a house, and nefarious Jews, the cockroaches invading that house and B) Your parents, grand parents, etc… certainly didn’t do anything to stop this world from coming about. My guess is they were passive workers like most people are. Now we all pay.

    There’s little responsibility displayed on these boards for the actions of your race, which is basically a sort of inverse Judaism. The views of many people posting here are bitter and illogical. They’re not necessarily wrong, they’re just emotional, like a woman’s or a child’s. Look at the wizard, Julian Lee – he feels sympathy for some guy, a “veteran” who went out and murdered other people for the people who run this place, a former enforcer for the ideals of this country, ideals he then rails against. It’s more a gathering place for kvetchers than for men and women who want to survive.

  29. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 15, 2011 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    “I prefer to live in areas that have a variety of people from different origins and creeds– I like that kind of diversity.”

    You like that kind of diversity because you don’t appreciate your own heritage, and because you are jaded to the great diversity in your own heritage itself.

    My observation is that “diversity” desires like yours comes from boredom and jadedness. It comes from a failure to appreciate or even see the many subtle diversities within the White European ethnicities. Let’s take the physical angle alone. In the Catholic school I went to, we were all “White.” But my, what a diverse lot we were! There was the longer-haired, dark Italian trouble maker Clifton C. The witty anglos, the Irish with various delicate features, a couple blond blue-eyed. The blonds themselves came in types: I can distinguish now the Irish from the more Nordic blonds we had. There were redheads with freckles. There was a Polish guy named Scwartz who was sort of swarthy and lanky, and a very blond-haired angelic looking Norwegian fellow along with various brown-hairs and a few very black-haired Italian types. There was one French girl who was like a princess of her own realm. My White class was loaded with “types.”

    If you look at media created in White America before the “diversity” fetish, it seems like there is a wide variety of types to fill many character roles, all with different nuances of face and body type. Even many accents, social strata, and points of view. Look at any old Katharine Hepburn movie.

    The need for “diversity” to make life seem interesting comes from boredom. Boredom itself is a sign of lack of jadedness and insensitivity. That, in turn, comes from a lack of spirituality.

    In the more spiritual state we can perceive and be entertained by nuances and subtleties. What this “diversity” fetish does is leads to the destruction of all these varieties and subtleties within the race, and finally the loss of distinct types as these societies become infiltrated.

    I don’t need some deep dark Nigerian sacker at the grocery store with ritual scars on his forehead, who can’t even speak English and will always view me as “other” — just to feel like is interesting.

    Just tonight I watched as the Muslim/Arabic shop keeper on my corner harangued two homeless people sitting in the cold begging coins outside his shop. He didn’t like them there because he felt it annoyed his customers. He does a big business whether there are beggers out on the sidewalk or not.

    One was in a wheelchair. Just yesterday, that one had said to me as I passed, “Could you space a few quarters for a homeless veteran?” He was one of my race, and I certainly was inclined to do so and gave him what I had. Guess what? The shopkeeper from Turkey has no fellow-feeling for that person. And it was obvious as he threatened to call the cops and gesticulated with his finger “Go away!” And do you think it moved that foreigner’s heart to hear the old man say “I fought for my country?” No, he couldn’t care less. He has no real identification with this country. But here he is, profiting off of us and our own social fracturing.

    I should add that all of the Muslims who run this store are particularly impermeable to humor, light conversation, or friendship. Just a few door’s down is an Asian shop that gives foot treatments to women. The men and women of the shop are often hanging out in front as I walk by. Guess what? I have walked by this big group of Asians, chattering in their strange language, for nearly 4 YEARS now and have never gotten a “hello” from any of them. That’s with me trying because I tend to make eye contact and say hello to repeated passersby. I’ve never even seen one of them make eye contact! I could go on, with a hundred vignettes a day. (I find Latinas are particularly awful to deal with in stores. They have affirmative action jobs here, guaranteed hires. But my how they love to hate on their White customers with stoney faces and silence.)

    This is the kind of society that your “diversity” desires creates.

    As a locational astrologer who helps people find better locations, I hear the line “I want diversity” quite a lot. There is often a theme of hypocrisy and double-mindedness in it. Often the client is trying to leave a place because it is alienating, they are not close to anyone, and it has become dangerous. (One White woman from Oakland was particularly tragic to listen to. She was always getting thrown to the ground and her purse stolen.) They often end up attracted to places like Colorado or Utah because of the “friendliness” and safety. Then in some cases they sit and start complaining about the “lack of diversity” and “whiteness” of the place. Lust for physical diversity is just that: Lust. The lust of a person who is bored because they have no spiritual life and their eyes can’t see the wonders of their own people.

    In brief, I’m sick of it.

  30. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 15, 2011 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    @ byti: I didn’t let them in. My parents didn’t let them in, my grandparents didn’t let them in, no one I know let them in. They got in the way roaches get in a good house, and we all know about roaches. The Ashkenazi flooded into europe and america beginning in 1880; emptying the Rabbi imposed Shtetls, and gettos of Poland and Russia (as Poland and Russia breathed a sigh of relief), the deluge greatly facilitated by Rothchild (Bauer) money, gathered from financing both sides of bloody european wars that the Bauers themselves played a major hand in fomenting. They came in over the wall, under the wall, around the wall, through the wall; and they played every angle they could dream up to hide their identities, calling themselves everything, and anything but Judah. Don’t blame me because my house is in a shambles, and full of roaches.

  31. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2011 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @buyti: I think the terms “individualism” and “collectivism” get thrown around a lot without much in the way of common understanding. That is, people often mean different things when using the same term (in casual conversation).

    White people in the West will never be as conformist as the Chinese, nor should we be. But Whites in very “individualistic” Western countries have been capable of sustained group action when necessary. White people need to understand that their survival and happiness as individuals requires a healthy homogeneous White society.

    I would encourage anyone who hasn’t to read MacDonald’s paper on individualism in the West. That helps clear things up.

  32. buyti's Gravatar buyti
    October 15, 2011 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    You’re right, Mister Meadows. Sorry for wasting your time. Good luck to you and your hill climbing.

    Before I go, I’ll tell you a little story. When I was little, I ate tons of candy. My parents didn’t know any better. They didn’t understand that refined sugar, through various processes, causes tooth decay. My teeth looked fine for a time, but by the time I was ten I had a lot of cavities.

    Now that I have a kid myself, I let her eat whatever candy she wants, because I ate it when I was young, and no effects showed up until later.

  33. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 15, 2011 - 2:08 pm | Permalink

    @buyti:

    With respect this is BS. White civilization was incredibly individualistic and incredibly ethno-centric right up to a few decades ago. All we have learned is this: we are susceptible to the same brainwashing techniques as any other people. And we were brainwashed good, real good.
    That’s all we’ve learned. The hill facing us is that first we restore the sense of peoplehood that was so strong just a few decades ago (and still is in implicit terms, so this is a fight we can win).
    After that it will be just a matter of time before our societies start to restore themselves to their previous demographic form. You think that’s the part that is impossible, but nothing could be further from the truth. Once we are returned to our sense of peoplehood, the power will return to us, and we will then use that power to persuade other nations to accept their peoples back to their ancestral lands. That part will be easy enough.
    The hill though, is getting that sense of peoplehood back. Or maybe it is a mountain. But I do feel sure we can do it. It will get easier to do it. Demographic trends and all the other effects that are against us now, will start to become beneficial to that central aim of getting our sense of group connection back.

  34. buyti's Gravatar buyti
    October 15, 2011 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    “I am just saying I like living in such a society–as long as it is homogeneously White.”

    Yeah, like 50s Kwa.

    Stevens is right. Your individualistic society, no matter how homogenous it is, has no defenses. You dream, professor, of freezing a very tiny segment of evolutionary time. Go back to being an evolutionist instead of a conservative. Please.

    Individualism has to go. Learn that from your foes.

  35. buyti's Gravatar buyti
    October 15, 2011 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @3D:

    “It is truly mind bending. They come into our house, wreck the furniture, and then have the Chutzpah to stand in front of us and tell us what bad houskeepers we are. Etc…”

    You’re leaving out something. You invited them into your house. Then, when they told you to kill the people who’d just kicked them out of their European house, you did.

  36. October 15, 2011 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell: The Old Testament is ancient Jewish propaganda, wrapped in hocus pocus “religious” dogma.

  37. October 15, 2011 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @Brett Stevens: I like living in a free society where everyone is equal under the law, and individualism is respected, and there are no double standards. I prefer to live in areas that have a variety of people from different origins and creeds– I like that kind of diversity. That would be MY choice. Whereas, obviously some want to live amongst their own, like the Chinese who live in Chinatown, or the Koreans that live in Koreatown, or Jews who live in areas that are mostly Jews and whites like Kevin MacDonald should also be able to live in a predominantly white, non-Jewish neighborhood if that is what he wants, without feeling the least bit “guilty”. It’s all about choice. Freedom of choice. But equality and respect for all.

  38. October 15, 2011 - 10:14 am | Permalink

    Atzmon loves the ideal of post-Enlightenment European individualism. I do too.

    I can’t ride with you there. Post-Enlightenment European individualism is what got us the leftist politics of equality that have caused our downfall.

  39. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 15, 2011 - 3:32 am | Permalink

    “The father of the Zionist movement (seeking a country for Jews to call their homeland), Austrian Theodor Herzl, was a secular Jew, meaning he was not a religious Jew, but he was devoted to promoting the Jewish tribe’s interests.

    That’s interesting. So the father of Israel, Herzl, had long ago distinguished between Jewish as a religion and Jewish as ethnicity, and chosen the latter. Naturally he did, because Jewish children grow up understanding they are both. Then Theodor Herzl clearly decided the ethnic element was more important. As soon as he did that, he became a racialist masquerading in Gentile society as a religionist.

    Then following him came millions more “secular” Jews doing the same. All of them covertly championing their ethnicity while deliberately disassembling and sabotaging White ethnic and identity. Here’s a very interesting new video:

    At a recent “Wall Street” gathering there was a lone brave black man raising a sign that — ever so tenuously — connected Jews to Wall Street. He was deluged with people, a lot of them seemingly Jewish, who hectored him.(He would have been hectored far more aggressively if he’d been a White man.) (Would that a few White men and women had the courage to raise such signs during these opportune times, to get them used to it if nothing else.)

    A tribesman yells this admonishment at him:

    “If you don’t want ‘people’ saying anything against White people, then DON’T say anything against Jews.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkMsKQuw6Is

    Very interesting! Especially since the protestor was not even a White man! I think he revealed some hive mind: We attack the White race as a psychological strategy to cow Whites into silence about us. White defamation by Jews is both punishment and threat to keep the no-talk taboo about themselves firm. (And how can a people with a no-talk rule around them avoid becoming corrupt and doing bad things?)

    Now, how did Jewish reputation ever become so counterposed against White reputation in the Jewish mind? The German Nazis’ clear distinction between Jews and ‘Aryans’ comes easily to mind. It goes back further to Jewish culture itself: Their religious scripture counterposes them against us. They are raised with it.

    But we don’t need to look at ancient scriptures or Hitler to see how this counterposition arises in that Jew’s mind today. This guy knows that Jews, using money-bought propaganda opportunity, are deliberately defaming us. He simply knows they have set us up in that “deal.” Further — and this is where his conscience stirs and he gets agitated — He knows that Whites have seen it and are resenting it.

    This guy knows it’s his tribe’s way to keep us racially intimidated and silent. So he reveals the “deal” and tries to reinstall the program into the hapless Black man.

    That’s what I got from it. Sometimes it does seem they are instinctive psychologists, right down to the man in the street.

  40. October 15, 2011 - 1:40 am | Permalink

    @3D: I do not care to split hairs about when the Jews ruled in Palestine. From other accounts I have read, they only ruled it for 75 years, and apart from that, they had to share it or towards the end, they were over-ruled by the Romans, of course, and then they were forced to leave Palestine. Later some religious Jews returned and lived mostly in Jerusalem, and lived peacefully with their Arab/Muslim/Christian neighbors. Until the racist Jewish Zionist came in with their idea of a Jewish state named Israel, which was created in 1948, but in the years leading up to that there was a lot of turmoil created by terrorist Jews, mostly from Eastern Europe.
    I firmly assert that the Old Testament is Jewish, as almost everyone else knows for a fact. It is actually the basis of the Torah. The Old Testament is completely Jewish / Israelite. Jews = Israelites. Most everyone knows this for a fact. That is why it is strange that even in so-called Christian churches, they read readings from the Old Testament which contains absolutely no trace of Jesus Christ’s teachings. It’s outrageous that they even read such murderous and racist passages from such as the Deuteronomy! Claiming that God says the Israelites can have whatever they want to take, basically. Don’t fool yourself or anyone else into thinking that the Israelites are none other but Jews/Hebrews in the Bible’s fables.

  41. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 14, 2011 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Thank you, Mickey, for the observation, and for the post in general. Your concluding statement encapsulates a point which must become uppermost in the minds of all who traffic this site. Only thus may we defeat a foe which has emerged from the River Styx, itself, threatening Man’s path to a luminous destiny.

  42. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 14, 2011 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @ Wendy Campbell: You make some nice points to Jason Speaks, especially the “middle man” value of palestinian real estate. That is one of the ideas I offered him, in slightly different terms, in a previous post. Please indulge me a couple of tweaks to some of your other assertions: The old testament is NOT JEWISH! it is Israelite. If you take as your marker the election of David, as King of Hebron, the Israelite experience in palestine can be accounted from about 1010 BC. Solomon died around 920 BC. At that time the unified kingdom broke in two. Two hundred years later the Kingdom of Israel was hauled away by the Assryians, and that left only the Kingdom of Judah on the stage. Where Palestine is concerned; between 1010 BC, and 721 BC the Old Testament accounts are of a shared history. A total of 289 years. It is only after 721 that the story becomes strictly Jewish. The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, and the diaspora began. The SINGULAR Jewish experience in Palestine then, would amount to about 791 years. Subtracting about 75 years for the Babylonian Captivity, you have an exclusive occupation of Palestine by Judah of about 716 years.

  43. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 14, 2011 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I made a quick scan through the New York Times business section yesterday. I saw two articles dealing with the financial crisis, with a photo accompanying each. Pictured were four high government officials, all jews. None of them had been elected to office. It is truly mind bending. They come into our house, wreck the furniture, and then have the Chutzpah to stand in front of us and tell us what bad houskeepers we are. To add Chutzpah to Chutzpah they then demand more power over our financial affairs so they can help us be better housekeepers in the future. It just gives me the creeps.

  44. October 14, 2011 - 12:53 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason, I have done alot of research and been to alot of meetings, conferences, etc, about why Jews have picked Palestine to be their Israel. The father of the Zionist movement (seeking a country for Jews to call their homeland), Austrian Theodor Herzl, was a secular Jew, meaning he was not a religious Jew, but he was devoted to promoting the Jewish tribe’s interests. He and his fellow secular, non-religious Jews tossed around ideas about where to establish this Jewish country (Uganda, Madagascar, and other locations were considered) but they settled on Palestine because there once was a powerful Jewish presence there two thousand years ago (if only for about 75 years in total), which was highly publicized in the Bible, both Old Testament (the Jewish part) and the New Testament, so they realized that by choosing Palestine for a “Jewish homeland” aka Jewish state, they could get all the religious Jews and Christians on board with supporting this idea. So therefore not only secular, non-religious Jews supported this notion, so too did all the Jewish and Christian religious zealots. Please go to http://www.ifamericansknew.org to read about “How Israel Was Made” for more information. And if you look at the map, Israel is about in the middle of both the western world and the eastern world, so the Zionist Jews figured that they could eventually conquer and create hegemony over all the non-Jewish middle eastern countries, since they basically have the western countries under their control via banking, media, government, political action committees and so on. Their plan is to be “the middle man” between the natural resources such as oil from the middle east and reap the benefits of being middlemen (taking their cut) before selling it and distributing it to the western countries. This is in progress today, as Jews have finagled it that US taxpayers are paying for an oil pipeline from Iraq to Haifa, Israel, to achieve the Jewish goal of being the middlemen of the oil supply from the middle east. Jews have always had a much longer view into the future, and have always been great story tellers– the Bible is proof of this. They realize the power of prophecies aka creating a vision of what they want to happen and then making it happen. Even if they have to make things up to make it seem as if a prophecy has come true. Christians fall for this too. They get caught up in the hocus pocus and don’t look at the little man behind the curtain, as in the Wizard of Oz. Christians overlook the basic message of Jesus Christ who was possibly ethnically a Jew, but did not have the Jewish tribal mindset and believed we are all one– not to say that Jesus was a one worlder, or believed in no borders or in a one world government or anything like that. As He said he was not of this world. He said render to Caesar the taxes, etc. His concern was not of the physical world, however he rebelled against the Jewish money-changers in the temple because they were subverting what life is really about, as in love for mankind, for love’s sake and not just money. Again, please check out ifamericansknew.org for more info.

  45. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2011 - 7:13 am | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee:

    Julian/Jason – there is no disagreement between you, or none manifested so far. It is all created by choice of words.

    Julian is right in that, so far as we know the physical/biological pathways are identical in terms of what is physically in the brain, when used by, say, a physicist and a theologian to store their preferred concepts. There are no special regions to store scientific concepts differently.

    But Jason is right in that science has a different objective pedigree to that of faith. the superstructure of related concepts, and their history are completely different.

    the major difference is that science tells us things that happen reliably enough in objective reality that we can build spaceships and aeroplanes and electronic circuits. It’s a different category from faith for those reasons.

    I’m just mentioning this because basically White people own the scientific revolution and all its glories, and also much that is spiritual like Christianity. We don’t need to give up either, and – because they sit in totally different categories of human endeavour, there is no good need or reason to play on off against the other.

  46. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 14, 2011 - 6:42 am | Permalink

    Are you all really saying that physics is in no way superior, more correct, closer to reality, than the visions of a shaman?

    I am saying that we manufacture our own laws by mind and conditioning (and by our vision indeed. Why would a White man be against vision?) I am also saying that this kind of metaphysical knowledge is the better forte of White people in the long view of time, not mere material knowledge.

    This is the reality at the core of the faith-statements in that religion that was the center of European life for centuries.

    And what do you know about the experiences of shamans (or White mystics and saints) so as to compare with the well-vexed manipulators of matter as they chase after another mess? Why are you so alienated from your own people’s spiritual knowledge, with it replaced by nothing but the quest for material manipulation that contains no solutions? And in any case, why can’t a White man have vision and insight into reality while he chases about re-arranging inert matter and putting out material jobs (as his daily duty, his job, etc.)? There is no problem with this.

    If you want “objective” standards (things that “another” will agree with you are true), you can start with the human mind itself, shared by all your brothers. It’s tendency to move, to visualize, to receive impressions and memories, the powers it has when focused, and it’s tendency to create externally what it meditates on. Why can’t that be part of your “scientific observation”? When you leave your own mind out of your observations of the external, truly, you will never have a clue what’s going on. And this knowledge is religious, and well-found in the Aryan religions of Vedanta etc.

    At the heart of “According to your faith it shall be” is profound knowledge about how the external miasm actually arises. The scientific method should, hopefully, lead you into an examination of true Causation. And back to religion instead of the endless re-arrangement of impermanent matter and putting out its endless fires. Technological development is not the great attainment of Whites. The great attainments of Whites have been moral development and transcendental knowledge, including knowledge about what the external world actually is: Mind and conditioning. This is the kind of knowledge that makes men fight fearlessly. In brief, self-purification by Whites along with self-mastery will give them the power to win this battle. And this is the province of our religious knowledge, not knowledge about inert matter.

  47. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 14, 2011 - 6:32 am | Permalink

    “Don’t you think this requires some more thinking?

    Of you!

    Is an electrical engineer really no different than a voodoo priest covered in chicken blood?

    From the standpoint that he is working with his own conditioning and the various “laws” that arise from that conditioning, no. Has the electrical engineer evaded duality? Change? Randomness?

    ….postmodern philosophy which states that there is nothing special about the scientific method,

    My position actually, and the position of the Vedas and the Yoga-Sutra of the Aryan religion, is to apply indeed the scientific method to one’s mind and experience. Just go beyond the chicken entrails called transistors, wires, etc. (The other day you should have seen the way the electricians on my street were dealing with power line messes, and all the troubles they had.) That scientific method should lead you to recognize that material manipulation does not reduce the problem it was meant to solve: Duality (Problems). Also, it gives no real predictive power.

    This presumes there is no objective way to evaluate one system as superior to another,

    No, my path involves continuous discrimination between the worse, the better, and the best. And understanding one’s own mind and it’s role in the projection of outer laws is definitely superior to chasing around the whirly-gig of ever-changing material conditions in an attempt to control them, never even knowing how or where they arise. That path — the path of the Aryan Vedas and also of the Christian Faith religion –puts you in control of your own life and world, instead of viewing it as separate and other, and is ultimately the way of power.

    Are you all really saying that physics is in no way superior, more correct, closer to reality, than the visions of a shaman?
    I am saying that we manufacture our own laws by mind (and vision indeed. Why should a White man be against vision?) and conditioning. This is the reality at the core of the faith-statements in that religion that was the center of European life for centuries.

    And what do you know about the experiences of shamans (or saints) so as to compare with the well-vexed manipulators of matter as they chase after another mess? Why are you so alienated from your own people’s spiritual knowledge, with it replaced by nothing but the quest for material manipulation that contains no solutions?

    At the heart of “According to your faith it shall be” is profound knowledge about how the external miasm actually arises. The scientific method should, hopefully, lead you into an examination of true Causation. And back to religion instead of the endless re-arrangement of impermanent matter and putting out its endless fires. Technological development is not the great attainment of Whites. The great attainments of Whites have been moral development and transcendental knowledge. The kind that makes men fight fearlessly.

  48. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2011 - 5:48 am | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk:

    Good show Connor. We need to be romantic, as long as it’s the right kind of romantic, which yours looks to be. We need to be a little crazy too, if it is the right kind of crazy.

    As a people we are the elephant in the living room. We have invented world after world, paradigm after paradigm, civilization after civilization.

    Hence the need for our enemies to destroy us completely. For how can they realize their own mythology of being chosen and above, without first eliminating the – specifically on the matter of ‘above’ and chosenness – the elephant in the living room?

    But none of this changes the fact that we have been born into the moment of greatest peril for our ancient people.

  49. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    October 14, 2011 - 4:39 am | Permalink

    MacDonald has made every effort to distill his Darwinian analytic framework to proportions a reasonable and reasonably intelligent layman could be expected to profit from. That some, indeed many, will not or cannot come along with him in agreement down to the very last jot and tittle should cause him neither consternation nor despair. It is more than enough that enough accept the indisputable facts that the continued life of their people is of immense importance to them and that Jews – as demonstrated daily by the actions of the organized representatives of Jewry – wish to end that life. That done, there is nothing more one need ask.

  50. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    October 14, 2011 - 3:26 am | Permalink

    @Markus:

    A more full-throated reply:

    The further Jewry is pushed to penury and powerlessness the better it will be for the interests of European-derived people. As MacDonald knows full-well, it is the genetic constitution of the Jewish ethny which causes them to perrenially act out their ethnic aggression against the European-derived host. Jews can do no other, they cannot help themselves, their nation wrecking is beyond the power of their volition to conquer. Even assuming that in the highly improbable instance Jewish leaders – based on an appeal to them by us of the objective interest Jews have in the racial/civilizational continuity of the West – could be convinced to direct their people away from working towards our racial destruction for a generation a new crop of Jewish leaders would inevitably be back to their old ways in the next generation. If by some miracle we do manage to steer our race away from the precipice of genetic annihilation it now is careening toward, we can under no circumstance allow that to be recapitulated at a future time. Therefore, permanent political and territorially-sovereign separation from Jews is called for in no uncertain terms. We owe Jews nothing. Only knaves and fools will gainsay.

  51. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 14, 2011 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @@3D: 3D: I still suspect the Jewish preoccupation with occupying Israel is not guided by prudence but by religious zealotry (and of course, the same is true for Muslims). I’m not an expert on Geo-politics, but I can’t see that Israel is the most precious piece of land on earth. Of course, you are right, it is near many major European nations, not far from Asia and near major oil reserves. On the other hand, when I look at it on a map, it is also a bit hemmed in. That is to say, the navel is surrounded on all sides. I would prefer not to be surrounded by other nations, especially hostile countries, if I were them.

    As far as the original “prophets” are concerned, when they made their claims with regard to Israel, they had no way of knowing what the world would look like in several thousand years, so surely the original claims are little more than fanatical madmen making a particular piece of dirt “sacred”.

    Of course, there aren’t enough Jews to populate a large continent, but as I said, somewhat facetiously, why not some gorgeous islands in the South Pacific? How about a piece of Papua New Guinea, bought cheap from the natives?

  52. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 14, 2011 - 1:20 am | Permalink

    @ Hello Webmaster! My last post was submitted @ about 10:00 Pm. The post shows a time of 1:02 A.M. Discombobulating, it is.

  53. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 14, 2011 - 1:02 am | Permalink

    @Markus 10-13-11 5:44 pm:

    Why the invocation to God for an alternative to the continued survival of the state of Israel? God did not put Ashkenaz there. Askenaze put Ashkenaze there. What claim does Ashkenaze have on me, or mine to keep him there? He has none. As far as hoards of Ashkenazi re-invading my homelands; America, or Europe, or Canada, or Australia, or New Zeland, I would react as any good ship captian would to an infestation of vermin from off shore. I would do my best, unto my last life’s breath to protect my ship, and my ship’s crew from the infestation, no mater what measures it required.

  54. Nobody's Gravatar Nobody
    October 14, 2011 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    (Apparently, my combination of name and fake email paired me with a picture of someone who isn’t me.)

  55. Nobody's Gravatar Nobody
    October 14, 2011 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    There’s at least one anti-Semitic (anti-Jewish, anti-Judaism) Jew in the world who isn’t a misty-eyed idealist on race or anything else. Myself. I keep quiet, though.

  56. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 13, 2011 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    @ omop: “Rabbi Avaraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook.” Kook? Aptly named, that Rabbi, Kook! Has a ring to it, by golly!

  57. Markus's Gravatar Markus
    October 13, 2011 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    What in God’s name is the alternative to the continued survival of the State of Israel?

    Only one. Millions of ex-Israeli Jews immigrating to America and Europe.

    White Nationalists who are anti-Zionists are hypocrites and fools.

  58. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 13, 2011 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Spiritual romanticizing identities or is you is or is you aint. “Plus ca change plus que c’est la meme chose.” so spake it Francois.

    The difference between the Jewish soul … and the soul of all the Gentiles … is greater and deeper than the difference between the soul of a man and the soul of an animal. — Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook (1865-1935)

  59. Robin Seasons's Gravatar Robin Seasons
    October 13, 2011 - 12:38 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki: No, Einstein did not win his Nobel Prize for what you state. He received his Nobel for his work on the Photoelectric Effect. In fact Einstein ‘attacked’ Quantum Mechanics, and later had to admit it was a mistake: http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st10

    The “neutrino thing” as you call it tosses Einstein under the proverbial bus.

  60. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 13, 2011 - 5:51 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Franklin, our “sect,” which you have mentioned, has been completely successful. The Caucasian race has ruled the world for over seven millenia. The Mesopotamians were blue-eyed Caucasians. We have taken the initiative in founding an endless array of diverse nation states without stooping to parasitism and subterfuge. Our profile has been one of forthrightness and courage, not stealth, trickery, lies and crime. We have built civilization rather than practice theft, exploitation, subversion and sabotage. In other words, the jewel of Western Civilization was mined, shaped and polished by our hands and remains in our hands. Any impression to the contrary hangs upon the ether like a chimera, as fugitive as the wind. Judaism is a noisesome fly on a stallion’s back, displaced with a flourish of his tail.

    Franklin, your thoughtful and expansive reply is gratifying. I admit the truth of your observations about my occasional euphoria. The more fabulist comments may be likened somewhat to the fiction of William Pierce. I may not, personally, be able to flesh-out all details myself, but another reader may have insights which will provide the answer.

    While my “lyricism” reflects spontaneous expression, subconsciously, I think, this is intended to inspire, to ignite an interest the reader may not formerly have entertained. Collaboration can be very meaningful. No one person has all skills. It would be my nature to fantasize any solution whatever, then puzzle over the nitty-gritty that could make it happen. Is this prophecy???

    The following quote from an earlier post conveys my sense of urgency and the conviction that time has run out for instrumentation of any of the three options as you have presented them.

    “Because of disloyalty within our own ranks over the past few decades, the pace of Zionist inroads within our government has accelerated with alarming speed. Unconstitutional powers now consolidated within the Executive Office, as well as in conjunctive departments of government, have created a platform from which a totalitarian regime may be implemented within a matter of hours. This fact is lost on most Americans. Considering that citizens of this Republic are now without meaningful representation in any of the branches of their Government, it is impossible to exaggerate the threat.”

    By way of continuing our discussion of possibilities, I wish to make a few points.

    1) European Americans have lost none of their pride and prestige as the traditional ruling class of this country. Further, the true margin of this advantage is unknown. Considering ZOG agenda and the absence of integrity in its affairs, there is no reason to place credence in any of its representations – particularly the Census. Likely, our true majority is far in excess of published figures. It is known that human chemistry responds to imagined scenarios exactly as it responds to “real” scenarios. In this sense the propagandist’s lie has the potential of becoming as powerful as the truth.
    2) Further, there are many websites and media outlets which profiteer in distorting facts, creating chaos, and rousing apprehension. We must reject the de-stabilizing influence of such entities.
    3) There is no true disjuncture between White Nationalists and the European American majority. Media have used semantics to create a false wedge. Americans are first-and-foremost Patriots. Patriotism = Nationalism. European American = Caucasian. Therefore, White Nationalism is already the ruling class. Only Jews and an infinitesimally small number of treasonous Gentiles are Globalists.
    4) Therefore we must drop terminology that creates false dichotomies. Why raise these issues needlessly? Why promote language that is, itself, divisive? Rather, let us employ prevailing vernacular and use it to shape events as we feel they must go to preserve and strengthen a European American nation.
    5) The European American majority enjoys enough common interests to constitute a voting bloc. A platform must be forged which will assure that candidates supported by this bloc deliver on these issues: anti-immigration, anti-amnesty, end The Fed / seize its assets, disengagement from AIPAC, public campaign finance, proportionate ethnic representation, etc., etc.
    6) We must come to terms with the fact that our problem is not constitutional government but, rather, those influences which are corrupting government – David Rockefeller and his think tanks, as well as AIPAC, ADL…… There are means of ending intrusion of these forces in Government affairs, which we will discuss later.
    7) Remember, a Jew can never be anything other than an amateur Gentile. Jettison all political correctness and freely mock Jewry whenever possible – for nose jobs, Gentile names, self-hatred, disloyalty, subversion of host countries. Ostracize them and heighten their sense of rejection and paranoia. These people are filled with fear, low self-esteem, and cowardice, possessing zero capability for one-on-one confrontation. They do not hang around where they are scorned and endangered.
    8) Open a TV channel on the Internet – like Radio Free America – devoted to airing the truth on major issues. When this is done correctly, taking advantage of social networks, such channels can quickly compete with major television networks.

    So, Franklin, these reflections seem to bring us back to the current system, Democracy, but by a route requiring less time and fewer resources than the blueprint you have drafted. It focuses on a voting bloc to reign-in Congress and force them to conform to the will of their constituents. This bloc is solidified by dropping pointless nomenclature like White Identity, Nationalism, White Nationalism, Multiculturalism, White Replacement…ad infinitum (terms which create redundancy, confusion and disunity.) We have all we need: a European American majority which has no interest in changing the configuration of this country – either its borders or its ruling class. As time rocks along the program can be finessed to achieve other significant objectives.

  61. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    October 13, 2011 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    @Facio Libre:

    That is so right Facio, this is one of the best sites for Europeans I’ve found on the net, a real credit to the good and courageous Professor. As usual the Comments section is most entertaining, there’s a very high standard of thought and literacy among many of the regulars here.

  62. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Very informative summary of VT, thanks. And I agree, there is nothing wrong with gleaning information from any source whatsoever, as long as we know what we are dealing with and don’t present it to others in a way that ends up hurting our own credibility.

    For example, I do enjoy watching Russia Today from time to time, but I have no illusions that they don’t have their own agenda, and I realize that it would be considered a tainted source by many people (who associate it with the old Soviet Union). I’ve even been known to watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox, and we all know the exact value of those organizations!

  63. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    October 12, 2011 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    A debt-free currency needs to be created after the FED is destroyed (going with the above plan/ideas)….while today’s economic system is much more global than it was in Lincoln or Hitler’s time (both issued a debt-free currency), it’s certainly worth a try….many feel that it was Germany’s economic independence that jews/jew bankers feared the most….

  64. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    October 12, 2011 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Gordon Duff and Veterans Today are highly credible and true patriots. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is truly SUSPECT.

    Here they come!

  65. October 12, 2011 - 4:26 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: How ridiculous to mention breeding with an animal like a wolf! Be serious. As far as forced bussing, yes, I think that was indeed a wrong-headed action and very hypocritical. Were any of these kids bussed into Jewish neighborhoods? I doubt it from what I know. I also think that people should be allowed to have certain neighborhoods if they want to congregate there, as there is a Chinatown in many big American cities (and I know firsthand that they do not allow non-Chinese to live there!), and Little Italies, and Koreatown and Japantown, so OF COURSE, affluent, non-Jewish whites should be able to have their own neighborhoods also. What I’m saying is that there should be NO double standards and there clearly are with regards to non-Jewish whites and others. Israel is perhaps the most violently racist country in the world today, and that is why the US should NOT be supporting it at all. Israel does NOT have the right to exist as “the Jewish state” on stolen Palestinian ground or elsewhere. Jews should be able to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem, just as Muslims make pilgrimages to Mecca, and Catholics to the Vatican– but then they all should go home to live as equals with their neighbors where ever their original home is. Most Jews in Israel have two or three homes around the world. Most of them should just go back to Brooklyn or Florida or Russia, where ever they came from. Helen Thomas was absolutely right about that!

  66. October 12, 2011 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: We can be responsible for Americans and also IsraHELL since we are forced to support it. Therefore, we must hold ourselves accountable and stand up and challenge the status quo.

  67. October 12, 2011 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Gordon Duff and Veterans Today are highly credible and true patriots. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is truly SUSPECT.

  68. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 12, 2011 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Your views, so measured and diplomatic, are welcome. You have presented no considerations which have not already been entertained. Like most who gather here, I am profoundly unsettled by the growing dangers enveloping this country. In view of the extreme behavior which has historically characterized the ethnic group under consideration, there really is no way to overestimate the threat. To illustrate this, one might consider what must have been the experience of upstanding, righteous, Christians within Russia at the time of the Bolshevik Revolution. We are dealing with a pathological mentality that can be given no quarter.

    Because of disloyalty within our own ranks over the past few decades the pace of Zionist inroads within our government has accelerated with alarming speed. Unconstitutional powers now consolidated within the Executive Office, as well as conjunctive departments of government, have created a platform from which a totalitarian regime could be implemented within a matter of hours. This fact is lost on most Americans. Considering the virtual absence of any true popular representation in branches of the U.S. Government, it is impossible to exaggerate the threat.

    We no longer enjoy a season when we may lounge about chatting of politics in leisurely tones. Because this country was formulated on a representational basis, American people owe no apology for having placed reliance on emissaries in Washington. Who could have predicted the appalling quagmire which has thwarted the process and produced abject degradation of public officials? No, hammock days are over. It’s time to rally to the defense and restoration of this country. Better we admit this now than, ruefully, in retrospect, when facing a brick wall.

    My text signifies thought manifesting itself through strokes of the keys. I have no answers, only groping attempts to find a solution. Certainly, there’s no one in Washington ready to consider my proposal. This is obvious. Also, genes and infant indoctrination are factors, to be sure. But the Talmud constitutes lengthy, detailed EVIDENCE of a religious canon totally unacceptable within our legal system. In its mildest offense, for instance, we find the Talmud approving child molestation with infants…sexual intercourse with corpses…a commandment to “kill the best Gentiles!” The Kol Nidre Oath declares dishonesty to be an acceptable practice in society. Politely, I must disagree with you, Jason, about the soundness of my idea. The day has not come, but should. With the turmoil surrounding us, and dissidents filling the streets, who’s to say Providence may not shuffle events to effect this outcome? Twenty years ago would you have believed a share-cropper would be sitting in the Oval Office today?

    As much as anything else, my comments are intended to jar readers to a sense of urgency, to prod the imagination… and demonstrate that real-life options are possible, that one fecund idea could reverse everything. In other words – as I have said before – it’s time to put down the knitting and get with the program. We can no longer leave it to Beaver. The onus falls on us.

    Thanks again for your feedback, Jason. I enjoy reading your posts.

  69. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2011 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson: I congratulate you on an excellent comment chock full of extraordinarily helpful facts and deductions, all of which are quite consistent with things long known about our government’s professional disinformation crowd—sad to say, perhaps its most competent cadre of employees.

    If Mr. Ryckaert is correct about Gordon Duff being a 25 percenter, the frosting on this cake comes with a hugely ironic and revealing cherry on top. Ever since the termination of the draft put an end to the induction of Jewish doctors, the numbers of active-duty Jews have sunk from low to almost uncountably low. Yet when a psy-op needs to get started, who gets the nod from Command Central to run it?

  70. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2011 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Actually, permit me to back off slightly from my 100 percent endorsement of your comment. The sentence “I would never presume to question the thoughts and opinions of someone who served in the military,” written, I am sure, in courtesy, could be taken by an inattentive reader as an avowal of some sort of principle. I trust that you know right well that questioning the judgment of a vet—even this vet, not just those endlessly self-congratulatory “greatest generation” vets—is often the smartest thing one can do!* So please, Jason, keep on presuming.

    *I do indeed grab the wrong end of the stick from time to time. Of course, I can’t quite recall when it last happened, but maybe if I can just hobble over to my notes, I’ll find something. Now what did I do with my walker . . .

  71. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 12, 2011 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk:
    Thank you for your reaction.We must bear in mind that when we think about solutions to our problems we assume – in our fantasy – that we already possess the full political power we need in order to do what we want.You wax lyrical in describing how great the effect will be when Judaism will be finally outlawed and the FED abolished whithout telling how to achieve the political power to do so.Attaining political power should be our first concern. Theoretically there are three ways:
    1) conspiracy,2)democracy,3)revolution.

    Conspiracy.
    A conspiracy will take the most time but we must bear in mind that the present state of affairs is itself the outcome of a conspiracy that needed many decades to concretize ,in some respects even many centuries.At present the Jews and their puppets (prof.MacDonald’s “hostile elite”) control almost totally the USA,Canada,Australia and the UK.Other Western countries are to a lesser extent controled by them.Jews do that by occupying key positions in society or having their puppets installed.The conspiracy should be to oust the Jews from those positions and install our own people.
    It is my estimation that you can control a society with a ratio of 1: 1000,i.e. for every thousand citizens one person in a key position and this in all spheres of public life (politics,economy,finance,judiciary,media,education and culture). For the US that would mean you need about a 300,000 people.Those need to be educated ,dedicated and trustworthy people.Where to recruit them?On the (elite) universities of course!For that purpose you should found student clubs that invite prospective candidates to join small discussion groups where the present situation is discussed and solutions proposed.Those who agree with your ideas should then be invited to attend a summer camp in the country side for further indoctrination and emotional “binding”.Candidates should be duely vetted in advance in order to avoid Jews or governement agents infiltrating the movement.How long would that take?If every new “convert” succeeds in converting two others in six months then that would mean you would multiply your number by a factor of four every year.If you start with a 100 people that would mean you reach your target of 300,000 people in less than six years. Say not everything will go smoothly and it will take you ten years. But then those people will have to worm their way upward into the key positions.That will trake at least another ten years.All in all a 25 years is perhaps more realistic.You find that too long?O.K. we go to the second option:

    Democracy.
    If you want to take control of society by democratic means two ways are open to you: 1) infiltrate an existing party and try to “hijack” it (just as the Jewish neocons did with the Republican party.Parties are manipulated by vested interests who have far more power and money than you do.It is almost impossible to hijack a party if you are not already connected with those vested interests and have an agenda that goes against their interests. So remains only the second way: 2) found an own party.But this requires a group of capable dedicated people not only to run the party and the elections but also man the key positions in the governement once you have won the elections.Thus you still need to recruit a great number of people as described under the head “conspiracy”.If the democratic process is too long for you,you might chose the third option: revolution.

    Revolution.
    Revolutions degenerate into wanton acts of arson and looting if they are not tightly controled.Governements might try to infiltrate the movement with agents provocateurs to cause just that.Better have your own crowds. And if you have won the revolution you need capable trustworthy people to man the new governement.Again for that you should have recruited a sufficient group of people before as described under the head of “conspiracy”.

    So whatever way you chose you will have to recruit and indoctrinate a great group of people and that takes time.For indoctrination purposes you need a clear ideology and the technique how to convert and emotionally “bind” people.Perhaps you could learn the latter from certain (successful) sects.

    This website has not (yet) developed a clear ideology,though often many interesting ideas are broached.It is desirable that it creates such an ideology in which all ideas necessary for WN are conveniently arranged.

    BTW I do not have a website of my own though I have sometimes considerd it.But seeing how much time just reading of and commenting on existing websites takes I am rather discouraged to start one of my own.

  72. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2011 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I completely agree. Well and truly stated.

  73. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 12, 2011 - 2:51 pm | Permalink

    @Concrete man:

    Amazing that you say these things. Do you also hope that leaders will emerge who will put nothing, nothing, beyond the pale when it comes to winning? Or is the coming century not a life and death struggle for our people?
    After the British broke German codes, Churchill learned of the bombing of Coventry, but left a whole town to be bombed rather than let the Germans get wind their code was broken. When France fell, Churchill ordered the bombing of the French fleet…just hours earlier an ally in WWII. Thousands of French sailors died.
    Now…sure….that was the wrong war in the first place. But the point is, we need to win, to survive. In a fight like that you use whatever there is to hand. Nothing is more important than survival. I don’t pesonally want to hear any talk about principle unless that principle relates to ‘what is good for us?’

  74. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 12, 2011 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason, you make good points. But the real answer is that each site provides the service that it does. KM’s service is to keep pulling everyone straight in terms of what has put us into this situation in the first place.
    You write very well, and you have some really solid POV’s. I think you have what it takes to set up your own site and design content according to your own psychological plan. I think you would come up with a very good structure. I would be happy to help in some way.
    This is the right way to go about it. There needs to be expansion and new commitement and new ideas, all the time.
    My personal interest is in the more fund raising and putting economic power back into the right hands sort of thing. I hope there are many others like me out there. I have faith that there are.
    Be another like KM, if that’s your calling.

  75. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 12, 2011 - 2:14 pm | Permalink

    @Someday:

    Someday – I notice you contribute quite consistently regarding your views about how Israel should be perceived/approached.
    Would you mind mentioning in more detail how you think the Israel situation can most benefit us, taking account of the general hostility of organized jewry toward us?
    My own view is that any number of different approaches would be fine, even if one contradicts the other. Just so long as each one, or all of them collectively for whatever reason, work out good for us.
    Do you take a less mercenary view of the situation? Do you believe we have a duty of consistency toward Zionism? Given everythign that has been done to us? Interesting POV…

  76. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    October 12, 2011 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Funny Occupy Wall Street videos that have been making the rounds on the internet –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJJOQpXmv4

  77. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    October 12, 2011 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Veterans Today is an extremely sophisticated disinformation site, run by real live government agents. They publish a lot of interesting material for the express purpose of discrediting it. They actually suppress the scientific evidence about 9/11, and smear the scientists who document the evidence, while promoting all sorts of non-scientific theories.

    The site is not on “our side” it’s basically an Obama administration/Democratic party propaganda site, hence, it promotes the Libyan wars, etc. The editor, Gordon Duff, is a rank propagandist of the worst kind. It’s what is called a “limited hangout” – VT hasn’t exposed anything, everything they “expose” has been out there already. All VT does it add a bunch of nonsense in order to distract and discredit.

    All of the good authors (like Atzmon) can be found elsewhere, so I would avoid linking to them.

  78. Old Glory's Gravatar Old Glory
    October 12, 2011 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    For many whites in the states Israel is much more than an “ugly plot of rock and dust.” Remember, Israel claims billions of tax payer dollars (more than the routinely cited 3 billion a year) and American lives (via Middle Eastern wars) each year….Also, jews in US and Israel also wield an incredible amount of political clout – they affect and at times dictate policy….but everyone here knows this.

  79. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    @Concrete man: Concrete, I wonder if it is a devotion to “principle”, or if it is just hating Jews more than loving Whites, that leads to this conclusion. How else could anyone be that concerned about whether an ugly plot of rock and dust called Israel/Palestine has 8th century Jews or 8th century Arabs squatting on it? Of what concern is that to a 21st century White man? There are tons of backward tribes all over the earth jockeying for position over some ancient grievance. Not my concern.

    As far as TOO is concerned, this may be how you attract bad cats and then can’t herd them. I appreciate all the articles on TOO (well not the “let’s all hope for a bloody catastrophe ones”), but maybe it would be good to experiment with less articles on everything Jewish, and maybe not quite as many headlines on the Art of the Third Reich. I’m just guessing this repels a lot of people that would otherwise stay and read. Again, nothing wrong with those articles, but I would think anything that seems obsessively preoccupied with Jews and/or fascinated by Third Reich Art, sends the wrong message – and then you get guys who don’t understand why opposing Jews at every turn is the “principled” thing to do, even if it hurts Whites.

  80. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 10:38 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: Steven Pinker (yes Jewish) has a new book out that makes this point based on tons of research. The crux of the argument is that the peaceful life of the “Noble Savage” was a myth. Hunter-Gatherers in the ancient world and the modern world are in almost constant battle. Up to 1/3 of all males die in battle.

    Here is a website where he talks about the book and supporting data. It’s long and it takes in almost every form of violence there is: war, crime, violence against women and children, etc. Here is the page:

    http://edge.org/conversation/mc2011-history-violence-pinker

    And a review in the Wall Street Journal is a bit easier to read:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180.html

    Here is another book on similar topic:
    http://www.amazon.com/Constant-Battles-Why-We-Fight/dp/0312310900/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318430089&sr=8-1

    I heard a while back that as strange as it sounds, as technology improves, the death rate actually goes down in war. The percentage of American soldiers killed in WWII was quite a bit less than in the Civil War. Of course, we have huge numbers killed in Russia and China, but the number of people in the world is now gigantic. Anyway, if true, it does change things a bit.

  81. October 12, 2011 - 9:45 am | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell:

    I liked your post about we are all Gods children (all creatures of Nature) and I too support an (adult) individuals right to “blend” if that is what the heart dictates. If for example one wants to marry a wolf, he/she should move up into the mountains where they both can be happy rather than bring the wolves to the city so we ALL are forced to live with them. The problem is, in a “free and democratic society” those who don’t want to blend are forced to blend anyway (forced busing, etc.)
    Also, I take issue with the premise that people in a Democracy are “free” to do anything they haven’t been programmed to do. See; “Tyranny of the Majority”

  82. October 12, 2011 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    What studies? If this is true, I may have to tweak one of my favorite theories (that artificial living leads to violence, among other things).
    For example, do the studies take into account gang violence, abortion, etc.?

  83. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 12, 2011 - 8:43 am | Permalink

    Gilad Atzmon have mentioned on several occasions that the Jewish Left and Right have common agenda when it comes to Israel and Muslims. However, Gilad is not much knowlegeable of India and Hindu history. He seems to be influenced by the poetry of Indian Guru Satya Sai Baba – but doesn’t know that the Guru, like Gandhi, also hides a ‘Hidu dager’ when it comes to Muslims, Dalits, Sikhs and Christians. Like Zionist Jews, Hindu Brahmin, too, have two faces – one to show the western fools and the other for their local victims.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/india-dont-tell-your-story/

  84. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 12, 2011 - 8:33 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    The Muslims are not wasting time on a “piece of land” for which White warmongers and homicidal waged eight Crusades and finally gifted it to European Jews in 1948 as part of their centuries-old “Jewish Problem” which they failed to solve in Europe.

    Now, while Muslims are fighting to recover their native land from the White Jews – the Western Whites are kissing the soles of the Jews.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/21/holocaust-how-thee-serve-israel/

  85. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    @Wendy Campbell: Is it really “American greed” that should be singled out? Or even Zionism for that matter? This is the strain of thinking that pops up on TOO comments that baffle me. Why no words of commendation for the Soviets? Or the current Chinese? Or the Khmer Rouge? The millions dead in African wars? Or the Mayan savagery that numbs the mind. Why single out America, as if before the US there was no “greed” in the world.

    All the recent studies show that killing, as a percentage of the population, was much greater in the past – long before America. The Asian world has had tons of blood on its hands, much of it before they even knew Europe existed. And can we ever even fully know the carnage of the Aztecs?

    But no, somehow it’s all America’s fault. How exactly did America orchestrate the battle of Cannae in 216 BC in which 50,000 died in one day? Clever time travelers, those Americans.

  86. Concrete man's Gravatar Concrete man
    October 12, 2011 - 6:45 am | Permalink

    I agree Atzmon is an interesting fellow but all in all in the same mould as Chomsky, Finkelstein, Israel Shamir and other outside/hidden agenda jews.

    But MacDonald also has his weaknesses, as when he endorsed the European Right wing to capitulate to Zionism and give up Palestinians if the Jews will make a deal to expel the Muslims from Europe. This is essentially what he said to Tom Sunic and me, I am not mischaracterizing his ridiculous (yeah rite, I’m sure the Jews are going to agree to that) totally unprincipled position on that point. Makes me question much about the man. Still, he has made very great contributions to our understanding of these issues.

  87. October 12, 2011 - 5:38 am | Permalink

    Like Gilad, I believe “We are One” and we are all God’s children. This does not mean that we should all try to completely blend everything– for instance, I love to go to Italian festivals, Greek festivals, etc. We can all respect each other’s differences, and yet those who want to blend can, of course, in a free, democratic society. Look at how music from different cultures can be blended, and spun in different ways that are enjoyable, and contemporary, then become classics. Just look at the Stones’ music– I’m reading Keith Richards’ book “Life”. He and his fellow band-mates were in awe of the great black American bluesmen and their music. They also loved the white honky tonk music. They blended the two, and “Exile on Mainstreet” is one of those results, for instance, and “Beggar’s Banquet”, and to a degree alot of their music. The main thing to remember is that as we are all God’s children and since We are One, that we all need to play by the same rules, no one is “chosen” by God, WE choose God. No one is more special than anyone else. If everyone, and every country was expected to play by the same rules and we were all expected to treat everyone with respect, then we would not be having the wars in the Middle East driven by Zionist and Amercian Greed.

  88. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 2:06 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I understand what you are saying and I would never presume to question the thoughts and opinions of someone who served in the military. In this case, I don’t think this particular website is a legitimate site dedicated to veterans anyway. My concern is that it passes itself off as such, but is really some kind of Arabic front. I can’t state that for a fact, but it is a suspicion at this point.

    It would be unusual for a Veterans organization devoted to Americans to be populated by so many citizens of Muslim countries. And I’ve never seen a American Veterans magazine with half its articles on anti-Zionist topics.

    So, they may be trying to pass themselves off as being from the veterans perspective, but I don’t think that is really were they are coming from. Some of their articles may be legitimate by the way, but if they are guilty of creating a false impression, that does not inspire confidence.

    Why does this even matter? I think that those of us trying to promote White interests and culture have to keep an eye out for sites that ultimately discredit a concern for Jewish influence. If I give a site as support for some argument I am making elsewhere, and that site turns out to be a bit flaky, I’ve hurt my reputation and the reputation of my cause.

  89. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 12, 2011 - 1:50 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: Henry, please don’t take me as pedantic, but your post touches on a couple of issues about which I have strong feelings.

    The term Judeo-Christian results from historical confusion. Other than that it has no significance apart from inviting indulgence for well-meaning but often erroneous Man. The trail of accountability is lengthy and tortured, but worth tracing in an idle moment, for surprise. As briefly as possible, Christ was not a Judahite but, rather, was from the Kingdom of Israel. After Rehoboam ascended to the throne of the United Monarchy, the ten Hebrew tribes to the North revolted, dividing the unified state into two Kingdoms – the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel. Both kingdoms were eventually invaded, initiating a pattern of diaspora for their peoples. Following their particular course in history, Judeans added ordinances to their canon over and above the Torah – that is, the Talmud Bavli, the Talmud Yerusalem and the Mishna. These amounted to no more than Rabbinical inventions, purporting no revelatory aspect whatever. But among the Judeans such books were eventually given preeminence over the Torah, itself.

    Christ lived during a period after Judeans had returned to Jerusalem from Babylon. Their “religion” had basically become a secular coven characterized by Pharisees. Christ’s ministry developed as a denouncement of Judaism. His life was a broadside against this “man made” religion. Thanks to the Talmuds, ten commandments had multiplied into a body of law numbering over five-hundred mitzvoth – a cruel joke of Rabbis who had tricked the faithful into supporting their do-nothing lives. So Judaism and Christianity must be seen as polar opposites – the ying and the yang, signets of evil and righteousness. The fact the two have become linked in the public mind is one of the more ironic twists of history.

    Henry, the column of social ills you have presented springs not from Christian culture, itself, but from
    ceaseless, insidious undermining of this culture by Judaists. As the Church has burgeoned in magnitude and influence over two milllenia it has become a chief obstacle to the supremacist agenda of Judaism. Invasion and sabotage of Christian states has become the modus operandi of treacherous Jews the world over. Behavioral aberrations such as you have named (with all good intentions) are the ageless, crafty tools of heathen Jewry. Have no embarrassment over the misperception, Henry, because these diabolical folk have been polishing their methods for over 4,000 years.

  90. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2011 - 1:44 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I am a Vietnam veteran. Nothing on earth would ever persuade me to consider things from “the veteran’s perspective.” Since the United States hasn’t been involved in a just war for well over a century, the essence of that perspective would be the temptation to wax sentimental over such things as (1) the faux camaraderie of the crude, the vulgar, and (more than occasionally) the bestial; (2) a corporate atmosphere promotive or at least indulgent of personal and collective immorality; (3) the surrender of personal initiative and responsibility to a government and a corps that had anything but one’s own best interests at heart; and (4) an at least tacit acceptance that a cruel and illicit form of involuntary servitude—the draft—wasn’t in retrospect really so bad after all (“I’m still alive, ain’t I?”).

    Does that answer your question, my friend?

    Addendum. There was one and only one good thing about the draft: it allowed a man to walk away from his military experience with at least the shards of moral uprightness and dignity. The draftee, of course, was first and foremost acting under duress (certainly so long as he remained an enlisted man). He was still responsible for his actions, but at least not everything he did from morning till night was tainted by willed sin and criminality. The draftee thus was spared the automatically incumbent necessity of the soul searching and repentance that the hundreds of thousands of those who have volunteered to kill (let alone actually have killed) foreign men, women, and children who never sought to do those volunteers harm must subject themselves to if they are ever to become men and women of integrity.

  91. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 12, 2011 - 12:29 am | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk: With regard to “outlawing Judaism”, I think it is way premature, even if it were advisable. Needless to say, with Jewish power in the US at its Zenith, it is impossible to imagine a scenario in which that could happen. We haven’t even begun to educate the public as to the role of Jewish influence in our society. Trust me, the vast majority of White people are utterly clueless on this front.

    If Whites in America understood the negative impact of Jewish activism in the US, then it would be almost unnecessary to outlaw it anyway. And then you have the issue of freedom of religion in this country that makes it very difficult to shut down churches, synagogues or cults, even if they are obviously corrupt.

    Beyond that, this approach seems to presume that the Talmud is the beginning and the end of our problems. We don’t want to fall into the trap of thinking that if the Talmud wasn’t being taught, these Jews would become nice WASPy guys. The traits of Jews that bring them into conflict with their host societies have a genetic basis. I don’t mean it is all genes, but that plays a role. Nor do I mean every last Jew shares these genes, but I don’t see the Talmud as the ultimate cause of malicious Jewish behavior, I see it as one of the expressions of it.

  92. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 11, 2011 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I have not made a thourough study of Veterans Today to be able to assess its credibility.I have only read from time to time some articles on it, mostly via links on other websites.As far as I know they have following good features:
    1) They acknowledge that 9/11 was an inside job with Israel as the main culprit,2)They acknowledge the attack of Israel on the Liberty in 1967,3) They are for the rest very critical of Israel and zionism,4)They are against the war in Afghanistan and the actions in Pakistan (in this respect it can do no harm to hear the opinion of Afghans and Pakistanis),5)They have clearly shown that Wikileaks is a PSY-OP of the governement to spread the propaganda about the “danger” of Iran and Pakistan and the official story of 9/11.I am sure more positive things could be found.

    On the other hand they are no friends of WN.They constantly harp on the danger of “racism” and “anti-semitism” and warn against imaginairy “Nazis” in America.The administration of Bush for example was full of “Nazis”.Nazi-Germany was anyway the epitome of evil etc.Carolyn Yeager of the Voice of Reason has in her radio program The Heretics Hour devoted several broadcasts to Gordon Duff, editor of Veterans Today where she calls him a “disinfo agent”.Relevant broadcasts are:Dec.6,2010: Gordon Duff,Prescott Bush and the interview that wasn’t.Dec.13,2010:Nazis in America,Duff on the holocaust,March 14,2011: Sex & death.More Adolf Hitler lies,August 1,2011: Spotlight on Duff’s disinfo.

    If Gordon Duff,editor of Veterans Today is really a disinfo agent you have to ask yourself the question for whom he is working.It cannot be the governement itself because he is constantly exposing its Big Lies.Neither is it likely that he is working for vested Jewish interests,for that he is far too critical of Israel and zionism.Perhaps his peculiar attitude towards “racism”, “anti-semitism” and “nazism” can be ascribed to his personal background. Gordon Duff is himself 1/4 Jewish and surely he will have full-Jewish members of family.Perhaps with the exposure of all the misdeeds of the Jews he fears a backlash against them in America which he tries to prevent. Anyway that is my personal provisional assessment.I would advise to read Veterans Today from time to time but with some caution.

  93. October 11, 2011 - 11:10 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to reading Gilad’s new book. It seems to have generated alot of controversy– and lots of discussion! I have long been a fan and a friend of his. I truly admire his work and am very grateful that he has the courage and talent to speak out in such a bold, eloquent, thought-provoking way, as he has done for years now.

  94. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 11, 2011 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Maybe the New Hampshire experiment will bear fruit over time, although it’s just a drop in the ocean.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/new-hampshire-libertarian-movement

  95. I v a n's Gravatar I v a n
    October 11, 2011 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Give me Netanyahu over Atzlan. Then, the words are over and the war begins.

    Joe is sharp as always. Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, Norman Finkelstein and other “good” Jews are infinitely more damaging to the interests of Whites as a biological entity than open and obvious adversaries like Netanyahu could ever hoped to be. It does not matter whether these “good” Jews honestly believe or not in the falsehoods about race realities they preach. It does not matter if they are deceivers who know exactly what they are doing: the outcome is the same – they do not and cannot deceive Jews, who are firmly intrenched in the race realities, but they can and do deceive gullible White folks precisely because they are “good” Jews.

    @Walter Rauff:

    White nationalism should NEVER make the dangerous play of looking toward Zionists jews as allies against Islam, liberalism.

    Good point, Walter. But I would go a bit further: Whites should seek alliance with all gentile peoples (including even Blacks) to resolve the Jewish question once and for all, everywhere, and at the same time. Pushing Jews from one place to another does not work. They are everywhere, and they should be dealt with accordingly. After the eternal parasite is off the backs of all the gentile peoples, they can, relatively easily, sort out and address the grievances and tensions among themselves, which btw have been cherished and fostered by the Jews to begin with.

    @Kevin MacDonald :

    Sometimes I think this whole enterprise is hopeless.

    Whites still enjoy better living conditions than the majority of other ethnic groups. That’s all. But, hopefully, it won’t last long enough for them to die off as biological entity. Whites still enjoy better living conditions than the majority of other ethnic groups. That’s all. But, hopefully, it won’t last long enough for them to die off as biological entity. Nothing educates more convincingly, and pushes for action more urgently, than losing the comfort of living. Don’t get discouraged, professor.

  96. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 11, 2011 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore:
    @Connor Dirk:
    I believe that a RICO-type approach is the wrong route, as it centralizes power (nor has it worked against Jewish organized crime syndicates). I like the idea of myriad competing legal systems, and the dilute power that implies. Benson describes instances of successful, non-state legal codes that thrived in colonial times in The Enterprise of Law, downloadable here. Social ostracism is likely to be more effective than statute law, if disempowerment of Organized Jewry be the goal.
    http://goo.gl/bxjY0

  97. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 11, 2011 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Addendum:

    When a scientist “sees” something (observes a phenomenon), how many others have to also see it for it to be called “true.” One other person? Ten? A hundred?

    And what about the others who’ve not yet seen or experienced it? Is it really true for them?

    Prior to his sharing his observation with the first “other” was his observation not yet true?

    In brief, it’s not “others agreeing” that make something true. The deepest truth — and deepest valued things — are personal and subjective. You only need “others” sharing a common experience when you have the desire for that particular delight. (“Me and some others experienced this together!”)

    Truth known by one’s self alone is still truth. But religious founders show the way for others to have like experiences, should anybody try.

    White Europeans should go get bliss-happiness from God-worship in church. Then go tell others about that scientific phenomenon. Then they can call it ‘peer reviewed.’

    =:o)=

  98. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 11, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Just an aside, but in general, do you think Veterans Today is an honest source? I don’t mean on this one story, I mean in general. I’m worried that the whole setup of the website is misleading.

    It is called Veterans Today, with the American flag in the background. Yet, when I look at the editorial board, several of the veterans are not Americans; they are from the Middle east or Russia. For example, Lt. General Hamid Gul is from Pakistan, Col. Eugene Khrushchev is from Russia, Khalil Nouri is from Afghanistan. Looking at the reporters, many of them are Arab or Russian. . This makes it look a little less than honest in suggesting it is a website for American veterans. But at least they do list who their board members and reporters are, so maybe I am wrong to assume this is a website is presenting itself as a site devoted to American Veterans. I’d be curious what the initial reaction of other people is:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/

    I also notice there are some Americans on the board, and that one has ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. While that looks good, I worry that authentic pro-White groups could hurt their own reputation by such partnership with Afghanis and Pakistanis.

  99. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 11, 2011 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    ““If it can’t be proven, it shouldn’t be called science”

    Things can only be proven to one’s self. This is true of religious knowledge. But it’s also true of scientific knowledge, only that the scientists don’t realize this. He says, “Well, look, this other person is seeing the same thing that I’m seeing, so that means it’s ‘true.’ ” And yet there will always be others who do not experience or see what he and his “peer” saw. He doesn’t understand that his “other” (who agrees with him, thus “validating” his perception as “reality”) — is really only himself.

    Things can only be proven to yourself. And if a fellow does not want to look, seek, find out, and test religious knowledge for himself he can’t attain it. The same is true of scientific ‘knowledge’ of the ephemeral samsara miasm.

  100. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 11, 2011 - 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, you have to admire anybody like Atzmon.

  101. Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
    October 11, 2011 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    When I read Atzmon’s first article, it occurred to me that he was probably most interested in jabbing at his Zionist nemesis Gardner by calling him a supremacist and lumping him in with hated (by Gardener) white “supremacist” Kevin Macdonald. He uses Dr. Macdonald’s review of his book to negate Gardner’s accusation or racism (against Atzmon) Now Atzmon says that while the Zionist is surely a supremacist, he’s not so sure about Dr. Macdonald. I think Gilad Atzmon is a man with a lot of courage who seeks truth.

  102. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 11, 2011 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Glad to hear from you, my sharp young man. Your shrewd remarks are always helpful. While it is true, crafty individuals often find ways to sidestep the law, I nevertheless believe, illegalizing Judaism is imperative for the health of mankind. Exposing Judaism will be good for the country – good for the world. When their dirty laundry is dragged into the public venue, this will bring an end to the cult. Perhaps even the Jewish congregation will see how they’ve been exploited by the Jehovah Hoax for millenia.

    And one divestiture has a way of leading to others. When The Fed is shuttered and its assets confiscated, American Jewry will be disempowered for good. It is to be expected that Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand will follow suit. Franklin, I think you underestimate the repercussions of such occurrences.

    These events will cripple Jews everywhere, leave them at our mercy, and spoil their racket permanently. Such achievements are no small thing. At last the American people will see the appalling way their country has been plundered for the past hundred years – by The Fed, the IRS, the U.N., the IMF, et al. Such exposure will end Jew racket everywhere, forever.

    While I am always eager to read of your ideas, other alternatives you have proposed strike me as too incremental in process to afford a great deal of hope, or satisfaction for my particular temperament. Jewish crime has been tolerated long enough. It’s time to halt it without further ado – mercilessly, free of sympathy.

    The fact that an undertaking is vulnerable here and there should not deter society from obvious, critical mandates. If we await guaranteed results on any venture the outcome is paralysis. As I see it, once the American people behold horrendous crimes committed against them they will demand more severe measures, and reparations. So you see, Franklin, the element of uncertainty cuts both ways. I must admit that prosecutions and indictments, incarcerations and executions would warm my very heart.

    Franklin, do you have a website of your own? If so, would you give me a link?

  103. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    October 11, 2011 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    @Bleunwenn:

    Gilad has clearly shown his honor in this admission that he mis-used the term “White Supremacist” in his reply to Dr. MacDonald.

    Gilad has no need of feeling “embarrassed” after this. He has shown that he was just as susceptible to the anti-White propaganda as most people are. He has also done a great service to humanity by helping “out” the use of “White Supremacist” as a polemic weapon aimed at the self-respect and dignity of the European peoples everywhere.

    He deserves our respect and honor for this.

  104. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 11, 2011 - 10:01 am | Permalink

    See Veterans Today,october 11,where Gilad Atzmon reconsiders his characterization of prof.MacDonald as “supremacist” and virtually apologizes.He also reconsiders the slogan “there is but one race,the human race” and says that he acknowledges and welcomes differences.
    He really seems to be a decent fellow.

  105. Bleunwenn's Gravatar Bleunwenn
    October 11, 2011 - 8:19 am | Permalink

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/11/gilad-atzmon-supremacism-revisited/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gilad-atzmon-supremacism-revisited

    Tuesday, October 11th, 2011 | Posted by Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad Atzmon: Supremacism Revisited

    A few days ago I compared two critiques of my new book ‘The Wandering Who”. One was by rabid Zionist Mark Gardner and the other by American academic Kevin MacDonald. I called my piece ‘Supremacists on The Wandering Who’.

    In my article I labeled Gardner as a ‘Jewish Supremacist’ and MacDonald as a ‘White Supremacist’. However, since the publication of my column it has been pointed out by a few readers that I may have been insufficiently careful in the way I attributed supremacism to Kevin MacDonald.

    The definition of supremacism is actually pretty straightforward. It is the belief that a particular race, species, ethnic group, religion, gender, sexual orientation, belief system or culture is superior to others, and thus entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not.

    What is clear beyond any doubt is that such a definition fits Zionist ideology, discourse or practice like a glove. Zionism is driven by the belief that Jewish people are entitled to dominate, control and rule their supposed ‘promised land’ at the expense of its indigenous population i.e. the Palestinians. But is this only true of Zionism? Is not any Jewish ‘progressive’ discourse, driven by tribal and racial inclinations towards segregation and determined to enforce on others how their struggle must be conducted, is not this also fundamentally supremacist?

    My point is actually very simple and, also it seems, devastating. I believe that every single Jewish political discourse is chauvinist to the bone and is either already supremacist or on the verge of becoming supremacist.

    But what about Kevin MacDonald? Is he a White Supremacist? Well, now I‘m not so sure. He’s certainly concerned with his white heritage and, like many Jews, he is also concerned with his genetic pool. MacDonald’s world view is clearly shaped by biological determinism and this is something I am very uncomfortable with. Yet, does he insist upon privilege? Does he seek to ‘dominate’, ‘control’ or ‘rule’ other non-white people? I’m not so sure, but I’m certainly going to look into it and it may take some time. But I will come with an answer.

    Projection

    I also asked myself, why did I label MacDonald as a White Supremacist without really elaborating on the topic or explaining myself? My answer is slightly embarrassing. For quite a while, I’ve seen the ‘White Supremacist’ tag attached to MacDonald and to so many other people, and at some point I must have let my guard down and allowed this highly charged terminology to infiltrate my vocabulary. I didn’t even notice the glaring fact that those who have bombarded us with this inflammatory label are themselves the ultimate supremacists – ADL, Zionists and even some Jewish ‘anti’ Zionists.

    It’s now clear to me why Jewish ethnic leaders toss around the ‘White Supremacist’ label. It is there to divert attention from the true depth of their own Jewish Supremacism, an ideological tendency deeply embedded in every form of Jewish identity politics. For every Jewish political collective is a ‘Jews only’ exclusive club concerned primarily with Jewish particular interests.

    It is more than likely that what we have here is a clear case of projection.

    Projection is basically a psychological defense mechanism whereby one ‘projects’ one’s own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else. It seems likely that many amongst those who attribute supremacism to others are themselves supremacists. I will obviously have to look into my own psyche and find out why, on this occasion, I tossed around the supremacist tag. I guess that my escape from Jewishness is not yet complete and from time to time I follow my tribal instinct. In retrospect, this is, indeed, a matter for regret.

    Heritage

    I ended my piece last week by quoting some beautiful lines by Indian Guru Satya Sai Baba suggesting that they depict fairly my thoughts about race, ethnicity and origin:

    “There is only one RACE

    The race of humankind

    There is only one religion

    The religion of LOVE

    There is only ONE language

    the language of the HEART”

    (Sri Satya Sai Baba)

    May I now add just a few words of my own? Though I agree with Sai Baba that there is only one race, the race of humankind, I also contend that we are also very different from each other, and that this differentiation is actually precious and it is this diversity that makes life meaningful.

    I would love to see all people maintain their culture and heritage but certainly not at the expense of others. Let me be precise. As far as I am concerned, it is totally kosher for an orthodox Jew to celebrate his or her heritage in his or her environment. However, a ‘progressive’ Jew opposing the burka in the name of ‘women rights’ may as well be regarded as ‘kosher’ by some but as far as I am concerned, it is also nothing less than sheer supremacism.

    ——————-

  106. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 11, 2011 - 5:48 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: In addition, your post reminds me of an important point I have to keep in mind: We all think of the television stations, the newspapers, the internet, all media outlets, as in some way public institutions. But in fact (regardless of their legal status) they are privately operated by private owners who exercise control over content and programming. When we watch CBS, NBC, PBS or Fox, we are, in a sense, watching one long info-commercial. Whether they are privately owned or run by the government is an issue either, it’s who has the “decision rights”, as they say.

    Media outlets can be influenced by the public and these organizations don’t wish to prod the American animal into open rebellion, so they will back down if there is sufficient sustained uproar (which rarely happens). But these are practical constraints of doing business, not any real limitation on their discretion as such.

  107. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 11, 2011 - 5:36 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: @Pierre de Craon: Yet wouldn’t you agree that audience quality (measured in kilowatts of brain power or any other unit that suits you) trumps audience size? And sadly audience wealth seems to me of the most utility

    Excellent point. And those qualities are especially needed in a movement like ours that has such a long uphill climb. At this early point in the “movement”, I think it is crucial to attract both high quality minds and people with access to resources. To be blunt, one rich guy or a few PhDs are worth a thousand anonymous posters like me.

    I’ve always been afraid it was a bit early to go “retail” with White Advocacy. Right now it is crucial to develop a dedicated core of high quality likeminded individuals. Obviously, TOO is helping to accomplishing this, so I just think we should keep in mind what would turn off a wealthy benefactor or promising intellect at this stage. I don’t mean “selling out”, in any sense. I just mean keeping it high brow and civil.

  108. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 11, 2011 - 5:12 am | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    Yes I do agree with “observation” part, but its the speculation that comes from the observation that I question.

    Anyways Darwinism is no longer a threat it might have been. During European dominance (absolute dominance I might add), it was very easy to create a supremacist ideology simply based on observation. Europeans became more advanced than others and it was easy to say “therefore they must be genetically fitter and more able”. However we know from experience that, unlike Christianity, Darwinism has no clear outline as to where things can go. But its not relevant to the topic of discussion.

    If we look at the US demographic we can see that over 70% of immigrants are Hispanics. These are the easiest to deal with as they can simply cross back. This can be done by nullifying the 1965 immigration act as an act of foreign subversion by a hostile foreign elite. Its really not that difficult. All citizenships granted after the 1965 immigration act can then be reviewed. Its really not that difficult. I believe there might be somthing like 30 to 40 million who can be given ten years for deportation. thats ample time for anyone to prepare.

    Its really not that difficult since everybody in the world knows that America historically was not dominated by Hispanics and Asians and these communities arrived after 1965 because of that immigration law that can be declared a foreign subversion. Its very easy once people see the Jewish activism.

    Asians are highy educated and so are Arabs and Indians (in America that is). They mostly have degrees and stuff. This is a huge plus as unlike Hispanics there won’t be guilt. They can survive outside of America. They can also be given ten years to leave the country. Its really very easy. None of those communities identify with America anyways. By declaring the 1965 immigration act a foreign subversion of a hostile elite, its all easy then. Most people do not know the role Jewish activist played in immigration. Only nationalist are aware of this. Its a matter of time.

    So who is left? Jews and Blacks. I don’t see Blacks leaving since no case can be built against them other than “they are not White”. They, of all those communities, identify with American history. Their numbers are about 12 % or so. Haven’t changed much since the 1960s anyways.

    So who is left? Even the UN can jump on board as most UN nations are more ethnocentric than anyone here. Its very easy really. If the 1965 immigration act was orchestrated by a large American public, then it would have been another story. But it was not. Its a Jewish law and Americans are not Jewish.

    Darwinism serves absolutely no purpose. If its science then so be it. But I have yet to find a single Nationalist movement anywhere in the world that uses Science other than White Nationalist. Its a trap. A huge trap.

    Unless you can show me that races differences are significant only then you can be a White Nationalist. Unless you can prove to me Islam is a monster, only then you can complain about Muslim migration. Unless you can prove to me that Western civilization is all sunshine, only then you can be proud of your identity otherwise you must feel shame and guilt. Unless you can prove to me that there will be massive civil wars and economic disaster only then you can complain about immigration. Its a trap.

    Tell me now which way is easier?

    The 40 million can leave in ten years and immigration must only be according to the historic make up of America where Whites are at least 85%. No one will complain as most nations are like that. Its pretty simpleif you ask me.

    I like Christianity because its more predictable at least. It also establishes the legitimacy of American identity. It was a European Christian nation. Americans have a right to demand that back. Nobody can take that away from them except maybe the Native American but they are not involved in the debate anyways.

  109. October 11, 2011 - 4:45 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “If it can’t be proven, it shouldn’t be called science”

    Strickly speaking, I agree. However, one should bear in mind
    Pure science rests on the assumption that ALL theories be continually questioned so as to firm up that which we think we know. In this sense, science can be considered faith in facts. Faith that is forever tested.
    I have tested the Christian dogma of “turn the other cheek” love thy neighbor, etc. and found them to be utterly false outside of a monogamous society

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 11, 2011 - 3:12 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: The long comment above was meant for you. I must have inadvertently hit the wrong Reply link.

    Apologies to 3D, too, for any confusion i’ve generated.

  111. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 11, 2011 - 3:10 am | Permalink

    @3D: Well said. Yet wouldn’t you agree that audience quality (measured in kilowatts of brain power or any other unit that suits you) trumps audience size? And sadly audience wealth seems to me of the most utility, given the nature of things effectively everywhere on the planet.

    Consider the simple question of immigration. Twenty-five years ago and more, before Bill Buckley sold his soul to Podhoretz and the other neocons, National Review regularly published results of polls on immigration. The numbers were never less than 75 percent in favor of immediate and draconian restrictions, yet as we both know nothing ever got done—and Buckley certainly made no attempt, even that long ago, to spill the beans on who had rigged and was running this country’s “democratic” shell game.

    The commenter Athanasius (whose absence from these threads I mourn) was fond of repeating that control of the narrative was critical, as of course it is. (Actually, “control” is the running stage; simply managing to get one’s own narrative aired, heard, or read is the walking stage that must needs precede it.) In saying that establishing a narrative voice requires money, clout, and brains, I know I’m not telling you something you don’t already know, but it is, I think, salutary to recall that having an abundance of heads to count won’t necessarily get one forwarder in the Tribally run West.

    Another comment—this one non-TOO—also seems to me to be on the money, in more ways than one. I am thinking of the once-famous remark of a tough old New York journalist named A. J. Liebling (yep, he was one of them): “Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one.”

    Money and brain power, brain power and money. Would that our movement, however defined, had more of both.

  112. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 11, 2011 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee: Whether a devotee of smells-and-bells Indian paganism, such as you, sir, has anything to teach a Catholic about his religion or its Founder is a matter to which I shall give my fullest consideration during a long weekend in my eleventh decade.

  113. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 11, 2011 - 1:56 am | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee: As i define the term religion, it is whatever system of rules/laws you put your faith in. so in that sense physics is a religion to the scientist who believes in it rather than chicken blood.

    Don’t you think this requires some more thinking? Is an electrical engineer really no different than a voodoo priest covered in chicken blood? Really? This strikes me as in line with most radical of postmodern philosophy which states that there is nothing special about the scientific method, nothing that “privileges” it over folk tales or snake handling — or feminist ideology.

    This presumes there is no objective way to evaluate one system as superior to another, which is really not a Western idea, but more in line with the Multicultural gobbledygook that is taught in schools.

    Are you all really saying that physics is in no way superior, more correct, closer to reality, than the visions of a shaman?

  114. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 11, 2011 - 12:48 am | Permalink

    “As i define the term religion, it is whatever system of rules/laws you put your faith in. so in that sense physics is a religion to the scientist who believes in it rather than chicken blood.”

    lol. I loved that post. There is truth in it. And the Mandukya Upanishad would agree! Usually lately the physics priests get to promulgate their law further than the chicken blood priests, most of the time. They have a better constituency. Basically, whoever can get his mojo working as reality for the most folks, dominates the proceedings for a while. And that, in turn, is determined by who keeps his mind closest to the divine mind. Neither the chemical/electron entrails scryers or the chicken blood scryers are really giving their minds the best mojo for reality-promulgation.

  115. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 11, 2011 - 12:41 am | Permalink

    “His call to turn the other cheek was a call to personal, individual abnegation. It was not a call for turning the other guy’s cheek!”

    I love revisionism but that’s too creative. Just a misrepresentation of the text and its obvious thrust. And I suppose in the “walk the additional mile” teaching Jesus really meant “kick his butt for a mile and strangle him with his coat!”

    On the other hand, I believe it’s legitimate to let the past become what serves you. It’s hard to get around that Jesus was a renunciant saddhu. I think a lot of his passivist teachings — and that’s what they were — are most appropriate to the monk, recluse, and saddhu such as Himself, and to advanced religious communities (which our church-oriented ancestors actually were, to an extent).

  116. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 10, 2011 - 11:49 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: This post is appreciated. So far as I’m concerned, optimism is the order of the day – any day, everyday. “Nationalists will have their say.” Of course they will. This is the only sane attitude for patriots.

    I’ll say again as I’ve said before, our impression of the world around us has been distorted by media and political correctness. I parted company with all of that years ago. So long as one is exposed to any of those influences, his integrity is being corrupted, his freedom and independence are being usurped.

    The fact is, virtually all Americans are Nationalist and nothing else, once the term has been clarified for them and they are able to separate this concept from the reputation of crazies and extremists. Nationalism only signifies the pride, self-respect and desire for perpetuity which characterize people of any state. Once Americans see how their understanding has been deliberately tricked they will be of one mind, one spirit, one objective – assertion of their homeland, defense of their homeland.

    Truthfully, Nationalism is the American passion; it is only momentarily drowsing because of terminology being bandied about in this sick, Judaized environment. So far as White Nationalism is concerned, the American ruling class is always a solid block. They have that much sound, common sense. The media have our people in a daze momentarily through a trickery of words. But in a crush, these folk will snap out of it in a New York minute, and respond with flying colors. Let’s face it. In this country White Nationalism is simply Patriotism. We have to find a way to re-connect the dots for them. The White Nationalist bloc is already immense; it is ready-made, and is simply awaiting a signal to rouse and charge.

    So the bottom line is this: the ruling majority is in our pocket. We are they; they are we. There is absolutely no difference. We only need find the means to forge the reunion.

    And this is a good moment to interject, whenever referring to American Whites, as often as possible use the phrase the Ruling Class or the American Majority. It scorns PC, drives the Jews mad, and at last declares the truth.

  117. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    @ Henry Baxley: What I said to you I did not say as a Christian, but as an intrested party that would like to see some historical, factual foundations for your pronouncements.

  118. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks: As I said: look at a map, a good map of the planet. Palestine is literally, geographically the navel of the world; the place where, by land, and by sea two distinct worlds meet. As all good realtors will tell you: “the three cardinal rules of successful real estate acquisition are: location, location, and location.” The English Empire was not built by the English, or the British (there is a difference). It was built by an Anti-Christ Judeo Masonic, sub-rosa money power elite, in competition with the Catholic empire of Spain, and intent on it’s ultimate destruction. It was finally successful in 1896 with the Spanish American war, which diverted the United States from the path of the Republic, to the path of empire.

  119. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Kevin MacDonald says this is like herding cats, and it’s true! I’d say the kind of personalities that support a socially taboo topic are going to be a different breed, with some healthy and some not so healthy. But beyond that, I suspect the net has been cast too wide.

    For example, articles on the “Pacific Northwest” concept and its author bring out the survivalists. For the most part, they are non-integratable with any normal population (sorry). Engaging with people who dream of a bloody apocalypse as the solution to all our problems is likely to get you some very strange cats, indeed. And articles like that run the risk of driving the normal cats away.

    Then there are those that just want to verbally attack Jews. Some of them aren’t even White. Once there was a poster who said he would sacrifice all future White children if he could just remove all Jews in the world! Generally, these are not people who love sweet reason and yearn for the survival of White Civilization. Nor are they likely to have an interest in calmly weighing the value of Darwinism.

    Finally, I’ve looked into some of the characters that supposedly speak out in public for White people. Good Lord. I am looking at you Linder. There can be absolutely no common ground with people like that if you ever wish to be taken seriously in America or any other nation. I mean seriously, even Adolf Hitler didn’t use ethnic slurs in public. These are not serious people; these are narcissistic hotheads that like drawing attention to themselves. Except for the ones that are government agents/informants.

    TOO is great because it generally separates itself from all that. But in order to gain a wider audience, I suspect the focus may need to stress not only what it is for, but what it distances itself from.

  120. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley: Well, I think there is a real distinction between science and religion. I believe most religious people would agree with that. This isn’t to bash religion, just to say there is something different about them. Faith is generally belief in something that you have no evidence for, but believe in anyway. Science should never be given that exemption. If it can’t be proven, it shouldn’t be called science.

  121. October 10, 2011 - 9:56 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    As i define the term religion, it is whatever system of rules/laws you put your faith in. so in that sense physics is a religion to the scientist who believes in it rather than chicken blood

  122. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    October 10, 2011 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    @KevinMacDonald

    Sometimes I think this whole enterprise is hopeless. We can’t even agree on a basic theoretical perspective even though Darwinism is massively confirmed and even though no other theory has a ghost of a chance at obtaining elite acceptance or has anything like the explanatory or predictive power of Darwinism. Like herding cats.

    At some point we’re going to having to tell people to keep their religion to themselves – and no, Darwinism is not a religion. I’m fine with a Christian culture, but we don’t have time to argue religion with fundamentalists.

  123. October 10, 2011 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @3D:

    There is a reason they call it JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY.
    There is also a reason Christians are mostly fanatical Zionists.
    As for Christianity being part and parcel of the demise of the white race, you may be right, its just that wherever you find Christianity you also find:
    Child- abuse
    Divorce
    promiscuity of every kind
    pornography
    crime and corruption
    drug abuse
    mental illness on a mass scale
    War
    destruction of the environment
    pornography
    a celebration of homosexuality and lesbianism.
    a high incidence of incest (I estimate as high as 40% in urban areas)
    And hipocrisy that is second to none

    Thats what happens to people who believe things that are not true…they lose their mind…they self-destruct. Thats what insanity is…losing touch with reality.
    I don’t believe in ghosts or 5,000 year old superstitious legends. They may in fact be real. But I don’t BELIEVE so.

  124. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee: I don’t see that theory equals religion, especially scientific theory. That is, assuming we are talking about a proper theory based on empirical evidence and rigorous logic. This is one of the bad things about all the goofy scientific sounding theories that have been put forward over the last few generations, it hurts the reputation of all scientific theories. I am thinking of Marxism and Freudian Psychology, which were bogus from the beginning.

  125. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo: Dissent is allowed in Evolutionary theory. There were long debates between Dawkins and Gould. There has been all kind of dissent over how organisms evolve. Now maybe you mean that there is little dissent about the concept that organism do evolve. But I don’t think it comes from some crushing orthodoxy, but rather from the fact that very few scientists dispute that fact.

    In addition, there has been resistance to Darwinian concepts from feminists, postmodernists, and all the other rabble that occupy our once noble Humanities departments.

  126. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 10, 2011 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t there a lot of theory in it?

  127. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I am not sure why we are calling Darwinism a religion. Why not call Physics a religion? Or Geology? Evolutionary biology is a science, not a system based on faith.

  128. October 10, 2011 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I take it you and 2d are “Christians” shouldn’t you be out giving all your worldly possesions to the poor in Africa??

  129. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 10, 2011 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    @Pre-TSD: No, it’s decidedly not. There are no soft beds, easy roads, and free love in the Gospels. Rather, there are warnings of grave trials and reminders to persevere in faith in those times; there are virtual promises (bordering on guarantees) of misunderstanding, suffering and rejection to be borne patiently and sacrificially; there are cautions against laxness, lukewarmness, and sanctimony (“not everyone who cries ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven”). Most tellingly of all, there is the example of the man (Judas) who, despite having doubtless been at the Lord’s side on several occasions when He performed miracles or shed light on the meaning of His life and the purpose of His earthly mission—despite all this—still turned away from Him and betrayed Him to His enemies and then succumbed to despair . . . and almost certainly eternal damnation as a consequence.

    Sophocles famously ended Oedipus the King with the chorus remarking that no man should be spoken of as happy whilst he still lived. Jesus trumped that. He made clear that true happiness—eternal happiness—was what he was offering those who follow Him; but it could be lost forever and replaced with unimaginable and eternal suffering unless one persevered in love and service of God till life’s last breath. And the Enemy would never cease, till that last breath, in attempting to divert one from the path of love and service.

    His call to turn the other cheek was a call to personal, individual abnegation. It was not a call for turning the other guy’s cheek! He asked no one to passively watch as a wife or daughter was raped, as one’s family’s land was taken by invaders, as one’s friends and kinfolk were murdered, as one’s faith was trampled upon. Those who claim that He said anything of the sort are fools or knaves.

    Kumbaya? Wake up, for heaven’s sake.

  130. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @ Henry Baxley: To conflate Christianity with Judaism is, to be charitable, in error. To blame Christianity for the pickle western civilization finds itself in is to be in compounded error.

  131. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

    @3D: Whatever anyone thinks of the landscape, or the IQ of the people that inhabit it, “The Promised Land” of Genesis is the most strategically important piece of real estate on the planet.

    I still don’t see how that can be established. It seems that you could make a similar case for all kinds of land on the earth, especially in the modern world. Great Britain didn’t have any trouble ruling the world out of England.

  132. Birder's Gravatar Birder
    October 10, 2011 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Dr. MacDonald,
    You fault Atzmon for disregarding Jewish genetic data, which you say are relevant. Could you explain, to the non-biologist I am, precisely why such data are relevant?

    Note that unlike Atzmon, and although I don’t consider myself a racial nationalist in any respect, I do believe in the existence of human “races” (would the term “subspecies” be correct here ?). As a trained probabilist/statistician, I have come to appreciate, and accept, the arguments put forth by Jensen, Rushton et alii evincing the existence of statistically differentiated, phenotypically stable human populations.

    But how is this relevant to Jews? Would their classification as an ethnic entity, rather than a cultural one, shed any light on their (egregious) behavior? Is such behavior to be understood as an “evolutionary strategy”, even in its (ostensibly) non-reproductive aspects? And, finally, assuming “behavior”=”evolutionary strategy”, is there a consensus among sociobiologists as to whether an evolutionary strategy is culturally or somatically transmitted (or both)?

    Personally, I must admit that the great variety of Jewish phenotypes, and the widely acknowledged rivalry between Sephardim and Ashkenazim in contemporary Israel (as well as their reluctance to inter-marry) make me ill-at-ease with the concept of a single Jewish ethnicity. Unfortunately, I do not have the necessary background to appreciate the genetic arguments in favor of a Jewish ethnic characterization, which is why I’m humbly asking you to elaborate.

  133. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason speaks: Yes, Israel might be an “ugly landscape…bunch of rocks…cruddy land”, but there are plenty of reasons the Jews want it, and oil in the region is only one component. The most radical of the Orthodox Jews want the land promised to Abraham (who was NOT a Jew, by the way) in Genesis 15-18: “In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed I have given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.” No mention of north south boundaries, but take as a given the whole of Siani to the south, and a proportional area to the north at about the southern border of Turkey, and I think you have a pretty good idea of what the most radical of the orthodox Zionists mean by “Greater Isreal.” Look at a map of the world. Israel sits atop the crossroads dominating the historic East West trade routes; by land, and by sea. Forget the rocks. get up high. look at the globe as a whole. Palestine is the navel of the world. Whatever anyone thinks of the landscape, or the IQ of the people that inhabit it, “The Promised Land” of Genesis is the most strategically important piece of real estate on the planet. That’s what the jews want, and remember: Abraham was not a Jew. P.S. Macdonald concludes that the most radical elements in Jewish society generally win out over their more timid bretheren in the long run.

  134. October 10, 2011 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    @Bigmo:

    Darwinism…IS…a religion. But it is based on observable facts rather than legend, distorted history, superstition, and flat-out lies.

  135. October 10, 2011 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk:

    I second your opinion.

  136. October 10, 2011 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Kevin MacDonald
    “Sometimes I think this whole situation is hopeless”

    I know the feeling. But survival of the fittest is futile if they are to be RULED by the unfit. because they won’t survive for long (look around)
    Democracy is Darwinism in reverse (Government of the lowest common denomenator.
    “Equality” whether sexual, racial, or economic, is Darwinism denied, at least for most working class white people, because their genetic pool is diluted through forced race mixing.
    The individual Darwinism practiced by the elite will bite them in the end because they make collective Darwinism illegal, They seek to enlarge their individual gene pool by draining the collective pool of resources (trickle up) Also, by throwing their fellow whites to the wolves they hope to cling to power just a little longer, and maybe have their treachery rewarded when the enemy storm the gates of their mansion..FAT CHANCE!

  137. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 10, 2011 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    @ Kevin MacDonald You’re a man of great sensitivity as well as intelligence, or you could never have conceived and assembled this website. Readers here refer to “the many, very fine, White Nationalist sites” out there, and though I occasionally dip into all of them I find nothing that remotely compares to The Occidental Observer. It is a great satisfaction from every point of view, and I have experienced a sense of connectedness such as I have not before known since I began frequenting these pages. Congratulations are due.

    Most of my energy is spent avoiding the stress of life, and this, I have experienced, springs from my fellow beings. If I am to have that peace which surpasses understanding I must make my way alone. It will be in beauteous surroundings, to be sure, but therein I know a life of complete solitude and absence of strife. Now that I have discovered the cipher, it’s relatively easy in my case, having chosen to remain single. No one person can experience all felicity.

    Self-observation has shown me to be as cagey and crotchety as the worst of them, so none of us has evolved very far from the primal state. More often than not, isolated, desperately searching, fearful, paranoid, pugnacious, it is surprising we have as much mutual tolerance as we do. It might be helpful to remember that you’re no more transparent than any of the rest of us. Your wonderful enterprise here at TOO is in no sense hopeless, merely challenging. You are providing wonderful community for educated, restless, searching, free-minded, opinionated people. This is what it will take to oppose the malevolent forces now holding this earth in a vice.

    We enjoy the diversity you bring to the website, your flair for the visual as well as the intellectual, the revelation of your personality through many, various details. We live in exasperating times. It is not surprising that we might be edgy, abrasive, even belligerent now and then. No one person can be everything for everybody. You are a scholar; this site represents a very daring, adventuresome form of activism which can’t be underestimated. As Trenchant has said, you are educating. A nucleus of like-minded people are gathering around you, and from this nucleus The Solution may emerge. That is why your readers, their comments, cannot be underestimated. A common vision has to emerge. This takes time. But at best we can never be anything more than half-wild creatures adapting to trials of Planet Earth. Bear up, and know that you are in the midst of a most worthwhile undertaking.

  138. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 10, 2011 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    I am not sure why Macdonald thinks this is all hopeless. I see things moving at the right direction. Pessimism comes from a belief that the establishment is unmovable. But its fragile. Just look at the changes in the Arab world and before that the changes in Eastern Europe. Who would have though the establishment there, solid as a rock, would fall so easy and quickly. It was never solid as a rock.

    However whn talking about Darwinism, its no coincidence that the world’s most famous Darwinist is also the world’s most famous atheist. And even though Darwinism may not be the sole reason why the Nationalist movement in Germany lost track, its a major cause.

    I don’t see a lost cause. Most immigrant are Hispanics. They can cross the border back as fast as they crossed it on their way coming in. Asians and Arabs can take their fancy degress and go back to where they came from. India and China are now better economically. All citizenship granted after 1965 is null and void. Its really not that difficult.

    Jews and Blacks is complicated. Jews unite Nationalist and Blacks divide them.

    Look at that whole Ted Pike / David Duke thing.

  139. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 10, 2011 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk:
    This move to “outlaw” Judaism based on quotes from the Talmud or other Jewish scriptures (such as the Shulchan Aruch) or even pronouncements of modern rabbis and then on the basis of that to remove all Jews from key positions in society or even to expell them altoghether from the country, could easily be thwarted by the clever Jews.They simply would declare themselves “non-religious” and therefore to be no part of the outlawed religion.Most Jews in high positions are secular anyway,the more religious ones often live isolated lifes and are relatively harmless.If you still would like to remove such “non-religious” Jews then that should be based on ethnic identity and that my friend would be the “worst sin” in modern society : racial discrimination.The expulsion of a whole ethnic group is not possible in a modern Western democracy (even the hyper-ethnocentric Jews of Israel cannot expel their 20% Arab minority,even though many dream of it).

    An alternative would be to practice affirmative action to it’s logical end and declare the Jews as an ethnic group of it’s own and insist on proportional representation in all spheres of life (the economy, politics, judiciary, medicine,education,media and entertainment).For the US that would mean that only 2,5% of all key positions in society should go to the Jews.That would not solve the problem but only reduce it and perhaps even that only for a short time.It is to be expected that the Jews would then quickly place their puppets in all positions from where they were removed and everything would be the same.

    The last possibility would be to try to “out-Jew the Jew” i.e. to make an ethnic conspiracy and to try to occupy all key positions in society taking care to remove all Jews in the process.That would be a “long march through the institutions” but we already have an example how to successfully do that.

  140. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 10, 2011 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    @Connor Dirk:

    Very important point. What comes to my mind is that Nationalist who stumbled his way into the CPAC gathering this year. He didn’t do good cause he was not prepared. Being outside the mainstream makes you often handicapped as you were not playing in the field and was left in the sidelines watching the action.

    This why debates like this are absolutely crucial in preparation. The more the debates the more the knowledge and experience. Experience comes from engaging others. One of the problems with Nationalist is they only communicate with Nationalist. Thats no place to learn. Debating adversaries and seeing the points they raise and the criticism they use is invaluable. Seeing how your points are taken by the average citizen is all experience. Most who come here tend to be of a higher education than the average citizen and they get used to a highly intellectual debates and expect the general public to catch up with them. This comes from lack of experience in engaging the public on a continious basis, something that the establishment does regularly.

    In time Nationlist will have their say.

  141. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 10, 2011 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    @ Pre TSD: Jesus also instructed his followers to sell a cloak and buy a sword, at a time of great personal danger for them. When they told him that there were two swords, he said “that is enough.”

  142. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 10, 2011 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee:

    Very interesting point.

    @Frank Edwin Stone:

    Very good point. In fact I see darwinism as a religion and it operates like a religious orthodoxy. No dissent is allowed and they rely on consensus to give an image of absolutism.

  143. October 10, 2011 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “Do you include Leftist Jews in the category “Zionist”?”

    Good question, and yes, I do, but rather than giving you the long answer here, I’ve written this short essay to explain exactly why:

    Both right-wing and left-wing political Jewry is Zionist

  144. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 10, 2011 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: The question you have addressed to Chris Moore is a valid one. However, I judge Chris’ lengthy comment to be an important step in elucidating the sort of thing that can be done, and must be done, if we are to slay the dragon. Some weeks ago I hinted at the same possibility – but more briefly and far less eloquently – using the terms “outlawing Judaism.” This magnification of the concept more or less deals with your question. A smart attorney could easily present excerpts from the Talmud to prove that this belief system is not only unacceptable within our legal system, but is a danger to every stratum of society.

    Judaism has survived these many millenia because of the secrecy which has surrounded it. Traditionally – within its canon – any effort to penetrate the veil of mystery was punishable by death. This also applied within the system for those who for any reason elected a treasonous course. Discovery of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in 1903 began the process of exposure, but its origin has never been verifiable. However, with the coming of the Internet the whole dirty business of Judaism has been laid bare. The Talmuds amount to a handbook of crime against humanity.

    So far as I’m concerned – placed before fair arbiters – the case for banning this cult is open-and-shut. Such an undertaking would make a clean sweep of Jews from Government, Education, Defense, Finance and any other honorable activities of men. And as you know, the good news is: there’s plenty of precedent for it, as every country in Europe has had recourse to such measures at one time or another. It is true that, over the long haul, such barriers never withstood the unending, insidious infiltration of these rats. But we are smarter today. Our perspective of history is more complete. Our means of survillance, more efficacious. And who knows, the future may portend even harsher legislation if these destroyers cannot be brought permanently under control.

    A tough agenda for reformers? You bet. But we have no shame if we do not tackle this problem immediately with all resources at our command. Jason, here’s a quote from, one of their own which defines the issue more succinctly, more virulently, than any I know. This waste, this destructiveness, this diabolism has to STOP.

    “You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of your last great war but of nearly all your wars; not only of the Russian but of every other revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion, and frustration into your public life. We are still doing it. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours had we left you alone?” Marcus Eli Ravage, Century Magazine, January, 1928.

  145. October 10, 2011 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I agree totally!

  146. October 10, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    @Pre-TSD:

    Yes it is! thats why we find ourselves in this mess, The worship of the false Gods of Christianity (code for Judaism), democracy, diversity, etc.

  147. October 10, 2011 - 10:17 am | Permalink

    “there is only one race, the race of humankind”…..

    Right! Everyone is trying to beat everyone else to the finish line.

    “there is only one religion, the religion of love”….

    This really set my little heart to fluttering. The only problem is, love doesn’t exist in a vaccuum. It is a counter-balance to hate (Natural Polarization)

    “There is only one language, the language of the heart”….

    Yes, but each heart has its own language. Ted Bundy had a heart, but I don’t think it spoke the same language as his victims, or if it did, I bet they didn’t understand it…I certainly don’t…Nor does my heart.

  148. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: But I must amend one thing: I said it should be the goal of sane people to avoid entanglement in the Semitic wars to see who gets to squat on some cruddy land, and this is true. However, given the oil reserves the Muslim countries have, it might be in our self-interest to lean toward the Arabs. But I suspect the stronger argument is to stop taking sides, and declare our neutrality. This isn’t going to happen for obvious reasons, but it should.

    Again, my interest, like any sane person, is not to join in the latest Holy War in the Middle East and take a side, it is to pursue our self-interest and avoid entanglement with crazy people (yes there are crazy Jews and Arabs in that part of the world – I mean what kind of limited IQ person sacrifices their own children for that ugly landscape?). These squabbles have gone on for centuries and guess what? They will still be going on 1,000 years from now.

  149. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 10, 2011 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Chris Moore: Do you include Leftist Jews in the category “Zionist”? What about Jews like Bill Maher or Roseanne Barr? Jews like them exercise great influence and do more damage than the “Zionists” from what I can see, and yet none of them are truly Zionists. For the life of me, I don’t get the preoccupation with a bunch of stupid rocks in the Middle East or who gets to squat on them.

    What a craphole that part of the world is, to use an appropriate word. One good thing about Christianity is that it doesn’t fetishize one plot of Earth over all others. But both Judaism and Islam do this, in what appears to be a primitive throwback to an earlier era. “This rock is holy, me attack you if you touch this rock!”.

    Anyway, I couldn’t care less if Jews and Muslims want to waste their lives on some of the worst real estate on Earth – just leave us out of it. It seems to me our goal (not just as Whites but as sane people) should be to be totally UNINVOLVED in their silly pointless squabble. By the way, what kind of “prophet” leads his people to an arid wasteland? If I ever start a religion, I am going to claim some islands in the South Pacific as our Holy Lands. Why must so many “prophets” and “Holy men” be poor real estate agents? Do any of them have room temperature IQ?

  150. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    October 10, 2011 - 9:05 am | Permalink

    @Glenn Valentine: That’s not entirely true. Einstein’s work on the foundations of quantum mechanics, extending Planck’s hypothesis would still stand. That’s what Einstein won the Nobel Prize for “quantum theory of ligtht”. This neutrino thing would just chip away at his deity status.

  151. October 10, 2011 - 6:46 am | Permalink

    “The Kumbaya ideology that there are no races is just that: A lethal ideology for the only people who will ever in their majority take it seriously—White people.”

    i have a hypothesis for why that is.

  152. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 10, 2011 - 2:51 am | Permalink

    Unfortunately, yes. Much of what Jesus said is very kumbaya-like. It was maybe a a good thing for natural ethnic communities. Then it was used against them. In the religion of Vedanta and Yoga, where I think JC hailed from, much of the “love” and “turn the cheek” content of Christ would be higher teachings for the saddhu in the last stage of life, a full-on renunciation stage. Much of what he said is beyond even a monastic standard, applying to Vedanta’s truly ascetic, world-renouncing ascetic condition. Not the people in the preceding (middle age) Kyastria or warrior phase. They are charged with activism, social defense, and protecting the social order from corruption and infiltration.

    And let’s be honest: How much did Christians really express all that kumbaya content to the world at large (as distinct from happily in their church communities and families) while they prospered under Christianity? The missionaries, o.k. Too much kumbaya there. But Christians were a hard-driving lot and actually lived by the Kyastria/warriorship ideal notwithstanding the kumbaya content.

    Turning the other cheek and carrying the baggage of a jerk another mile smilingly is for the ascetic and world-renouncer; not men and women in the religious “warrior” stage of life as formulated in the Vedic religion.

  153. October 10, 2011 - 1:31 am | Permalink

    Is not that kumbaya ideology close to the love teachings of Christ?

  154. Connor Dirk's Gravatar Connor Dirk
    October 10, 2011 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    Two quotes which deserve emphasis through repetition:

    Dr. MacDonald, “… The problem is that I think that it is very unlikely that Western individualism will survive the assault by the Jewish left.”

    Joe Webb, “…Give me Netanyahu over Atzlan. Then, the words are over and the war begins.”

    The first of these passages concedes defeat before the war begins. The second, strains at the leash for confrontation. This essay by Kevin MacDonald strikes me as achieving success both in dialectic and in its prepossessing writing-style. As a scholar, of course, these are the Professor’s province. Dr. MacDonald is essentially a man of lettres, not an activist. All the same, we are in crying-need for voices with answers. As Joe Webb suggests, enough with the lamentations, already. Let the hostilities begin!

    You may have noticed that few come this way with any semblance of solutions. Exceptions to this are usually read without comment – no takers, as it were. At some point we’re going to have to get serious about overcoming the malevolent forces undermining Western Civilization. Polemic will not do; nor bleak prognostications. A spirit of determination and robust exertion must replace complacency and apathy.

    Here is an admirable quote which advances a practical, realistic measure for resisting the diabolical forces of Judaism. At this website I have found no more consistent call for gravitas and wisdom than the words of Chris Moore. For renewed consideration, I repeat these thoughts, posted by Chris earlier in this thread. May heedful eyes fall upon them.

    Chris Moore, “…We know that organized Jewry instigated leftism, via Marxism and other intellectual movements, to think the way it does, and instill hatred of Western civilization and Whites into many of the White masses themselves, and others. We know that organized Jewry and its relentless, self-serving agitation , greed and conspiring is at the root of the decline of Western man, and that it pollutes both the Left and the Right.

    Theoretically speaking, could the healing and recovery begin if Zionism was declared an illegal, criminal, conspiracy and relentlessly harassed and hamstrung, say under RICO statutes, all the way back to Israel, not unlike the Italian mafia was attacked? At this point, no one can deny that international Zionism is uniquely dangerous, subversive and inassimilable, and hence requires extraordinary measures and singling out.

    I think this “rotten apple” approach is truly the most reasonable, humane, honorable and intellectual response to an intractable yet intolerable situation.

    The only alternative seems to be civil war, and who knows where that could end?”

  155. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 9, 2011 - 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Science is the ONLY way to discuss ANYTHING…

    No, the only way you can discuss anything is by telling about what you have experienced. Occasionally you experience “others” sharing your same reality for a moment or in the past, which adds to the entertainment.

    …except maybe the part of religion that is beyond the tools of science.

    Nothing is beyond the realm of man’s observation should he look. Scientists are merely observers reporting what they observed. They only bear witness, just as religionists bear witness.

    “Even that realm is very thin.”

    A fellow has to fatten the realm of religious knowledge up for his self. That knowledge is not simply handed to him. (Just like material knowledge isn’t.) Your material knowledge may be fatter than mine; another man’s religious knowledge may be fatter than yours.

    One tests scientific theories; one must test religious theories. But who does.

    For what it’s worth.

  156. Glenn Valentine's Gravatar Glenn Valentine
    October 9, 2011 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki: I am aware of the real brains behind relativity and other theories in physics falsely credited to Einstein and other jews. Notice that for decades (and others have pointed this out) that “Einstein’s” theories have been malleable. If something needed to be tweaked, or it looked like Albert was wrong, the jew machine stepped in to inform everyone that what “… Einstein really meant was,” and all was well again. If the CERN boys are right, and likely they are, the jews will twist Einstein’s words and we’ll have to hear about how he was right all along. That is, if they simply don’t bribe or threaten CERN into backing off. Poincaire, Lorentz, FitzGerald and others have bodies of work that still stand after taking a hit in this area. Einstein doesn’t.

    More interesting is the way “Rehmat” has to rely on shopworn humor to try and sidestep the fact that he operates along Hasbara guidelines. His “joke” is not too far from the truth.

  157. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 9, 2011 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @3D:
    The part of religion that is beyond science is the transcendental part of religion, that can nor be investigated by the usual tools of science, the part that lies beyond Time and Space.

    What is interesting is how science itself is becoming like this transcendental part of religion, with the latest theories like the string theory, infinite number of universes, the Big Bang theory,
    the speed of light controversy of last month, twin particles a.s.o.

    I see a convergence of science and religion. Einstein said that he was awed by what science unveiled, like looking into the mind of God.

  158. October 9, 2011 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Ask all the dead Americans killed on 9/11, or those killed and maimed after being lied into the Mideast wars for Israel, or all of those who have been systematically ripped off via Zionist government/Wall Street-inflated economic bubbles, where laying down with Zionism ends.

  159. October 9, 2011 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Someday: “At the moment there is nothing in it for Israel and that is why only a few fringe parties in the Jewish state are willing to court Euro nationalist support.”

    The fact that White nationalism is currently in disrepute does not mean that Zionists don’t have their eyes down the road five, ten, or 15 years.

    Making inroads to triangulate both sides of a political entity is exactly how the Zionists operate. For example, first the Zionists took over the Democratic Party, and then triangulated the Republican Party via neconservatism, which is exactly how they took control of Congress.

    At this point, do the neocons and their bought off useful idiots on the Right have the best interests of American conservatives at heart, or their own Zionist-network interests? The Zionist agenda always ends up coming first.

    Ingratiate, insinuate, infiltrate, subjugate…its always the same story with Zionism. And those that are agnostic on the Zionist issue? They have to eventually acquiesce, or get swallowed.

    Zionism-first…this is how America is systematically being enslaved, and why our rulers no longer represent the average American’s interests, but rather the interest of the network that owns them.

    White nationalists infiltrated by Zionism would end up the same way…slaves to the Zionist master.

  160. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 9, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    @ Frank Edwin Stone: Please detail for me “the part of religion that is beyond the tools of science.”

  161. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    @Someday:
    O.K.,now what do you want to prove with this “reality therapy”?You are advocating all the time WN’s should support Israel,but now you prove that it is useless?It is bad for Israel’s PR,few Israelis accept it,even fewer Jews in the Diaspora accept it,so are you not contradicting yourself Mr.Zionday?

  162. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    October 9, 2011 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Here is some reality therapy

    BNP leader Nick Griffin, friend of Israel?. Nick Griffin told the entire country on Question Time that the BNP was the only party to support Israel in its war “against the terrorists” during Operation Cast Lead.
    This was possibly the worst public relations blow to Israel in this country since Operation Cast Lead itself – or possibly longer. Mr Griffin has just ensured that anyone who supports Israel, or its right to defend itself, will be immediately associated with the BNP. It will take 10 years to shake off.
    Clearly, a man who at one point was a Holocaust denier (and has now – he claims – changed his mind, although he refused to explain why because he said he would be prosecuted in France), cannot also be a true friend of Israel.
    So why did he do it? Asserting that he is a friend to Israel has two immediate benefits. First, it allows him to argue that he is not antisemitic or racist (the context in which he brought it up last night) – ie it provides him with a convenient cover for other vile views. Second, it makes him appear, to his supporters, anti-Muslim (which in today’s UK political climate carried far more benefit than being antisemitic).
    For those who have been following the story of Polish MEP Michal Kaminski, the Tory European ally who is accused of holding antisemitic views, Griffin’s position last night had particular resonance. Kaminski, after all, is also a staunch public supporter of Israel and its right to defend itself. Last month, he even visited the Jewish state, and paid a visit to the Kotel.
    Now, Israel itself has had nothing to do with Griffin (as far as I know), but it has embraced Kaminski. During his visit, he was welcomed by deputy foreign minister Danny Ayalon. He was also guest of honour at the Conservative Friends of Israel lunch at the Tory party conference earlier this month.
    How genuine are his views on Israel? Do they come from similar places to Griffin’s? And does it really matter?
    At the end of the day, the fact remains that this ally of Israel is seen as borderline antisemitic, if not more than that, by many Jews – and by many non-Jews as well, who find the Conservative alliance with him deeply troubling.
    Israel’s alliance with him is a deep problem for local Jews and indeed anyone fighting racism, because it provides him with just the cover he needs to claim that he cannot possibly be a racist.

    What makes you think Israel’s supporters want white nationalists to join them ? White nationalist have a lot of traction ? Ha!, they are the most demonized political tendency on the planet.

    You better wake up to the fact that nationalists’ support for Israel would be seized upon by the powerful forces that regard Israel as a Apartheid state and hence an affront to Western values (the boycotters in international professional organisations ect). The Diaspora Jews would be bewildered by it. At the moment there is nothing in it for Israel and that is why only a few fringe parties in the Jewish state are willing to court Euro nationalist support.

  163. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 9, 2011 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    @Bigmo: Science is the ONLY way to discuss ANYTHING, except maybe the part of religion that is beyond the tools of science. Even that realm is very thin.
    The reasons for Atzmon’s actions were described in detail in my post.

  164. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 9, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    YES – Turk Crypto-Jewish elites were behind the Armenian Holocaust that’s why Abraham Foxman campaigned for the rejection of Congress Bill on ‘Armenian Genocide’. The founder of secularist Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, was also a Crypto-Jew according to Israeli President. Many of Turk generals being dragged to courts for planning a coup against Erdogan’s government – are Crypto-Jews and connected to Israeli Mossad.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/turkey-%e2%80%98kemalism-is-doomed%e2%80%99/

  165. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    October 9, 2011 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    @pessimist: Enemies they’ve created.

  166. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 9, 2011 - 10:16 am | Permalink

    @Glenn Valentine:
    The dude is footing my bill is no other than who is paying monthly salary to you – Zionazi Abe Foxman of ADL. But don’t tell that secret to Dr. Kevin…….

  167. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    October 9, 2011 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    Maybe the reason he avoids looking at the data and research about race etc is because there is always going to be a counter argument. Science is never a good way to discuss identity. At least to me.

  168. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 9, 2011 - 7:15 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Thanks. Here’s the Armenian genocide link:
    http://www.jewishracism.com/Jewish_Genocide_Enlarged.pdf

  169. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 9, 2011 - 6:17 am | Permalink

    @Lancashire lad:
    On his website jewishracism.com/ Christopher Jon Bjerknes has published his 2,825 page (!) book The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein that deals with this matter .I have not (yet) read that book (I have no education in physics) so I cannot vouch for its value, but as seen from its table of contents it deals with a lot of other subjects concerning Jews that makes it extra interesting.

    Bjerknes has also written a book on the Armenian genocide that he identifies as an act of the socalled “young Turks” (in reality Dönmeh or crypto-Jews),which can also be read on his website.

  170. Lancashire lad's Gravatar Lancashire lad
    October 9, 2011 - 4:32 am | Permalink

    @Glenn Valentine:
    “This is not discussed openly too often, but it is recognized in physics and medicine by a great many non-jewish researchers. Look at the panic amongst the jews at the moment because the myth of Einstein has taken another big hit. ”

    It would be interesting to hear more about this. One also hears proposals to revert to a Euclidean realism in geometry. The sheer obscurity, obtuseness at times – e.g. the reliance of Bridgeman’s refuted idea of meaning – and lack of experimental content of Einstein’s theories make phyisics inaccessible to lay people who would love to know what is going on. Macdonald excludes Einstein from his general attack on these revered figures, but given the general hagiographical attitude to Einstein I wonder if that was not merely because the maths was too difficult for him.

  171. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 9, 2011 - 3:58 am | Permalink

    “I would not be surprised to learn that the influx of East Indian Gurus, that began in the late Bohemian/Beatnik era was facilitated in substantial ways by Judah.

    My observation and belief is that the tribe has, indeed, embraced them as a monkey-wrench to the traditional churches of the Whites. Same as they’ve fawned over blacks and championed them as a monkey wrench to White homogeneity and cohesiveness.

    I remember walking into my first “head shop” or hippie emporium around 1970 near Drake University in Des Moines. Along with many albums on the wall, lefty pornographic newspapers, and incense sticks there was the book “Autobiography of a Yogi” by Yogananda. I remember, too, the dark curly hair and glasses of the proprietor and his tribal look. The store contained everything that was culturally hetero and represented a challenge to the culture.

    Now, the east Indian gurus didn’t need to be a monkey wrench to the Christian churches. In truth, the moral content and God-search content of that book was of zero interest to the tribesman sitting at the counter. But it was perceived a one more hammer, creating cultural doubt in young Whites and siphoning them away from their churches and authority structures.

    Not that some Jews have not been genuinely interested in these things themselves, but there always seems to be that element of tribal strategy in embracing and promoting whatever’s heterogeneous to the established culture lower its confidence and break it up.

    The one thing I liked about the 1960′s was that opening to broader conceptions of religion, and particularly to India and the east. What I found was that Jewish interest in it often did not run much deeper than the cultural-spoiler value of these religions. I remember talking to tribesmen in Ojai, California who had an ostensible interest in things like the Bhagavad-Gita and Indian Gurus. What I noticed was that they seemed to have allergies to two major currents in these studies: Chastity and the devotional attitude. These were always conversational no-go zones. They liked the philosophical dimensions and the heterogeneity of these traditions, not their hearts or cores. In like manner, the curly-headed fellow at the “Elysian Fields” headshop would have found the actual content of “Autobiography of a Yogi,” featured so prominently on his rack, to be repellent to him.

  172. Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
    October 9, 2011 - 3:52 am | Permalink

    Kevin , your lines in the article : That’s wonderful, but it’s just not going to happen, and believing that it will happen is simply to endanger Whites because they are the only people on the globe who are allowing themselves to be displaced by other peoples—none of whom are willing to renounce their identities or group interests and none of whom subscribe to these sentiments.

    This is whats so weird and frightening about the Jewish onslaught of Multiculturalism . Apparently , Caucasians are just supposed to trust Jews to do the right thing because that the history of these honorable and pious people .

    Jewish behavior in the USSR has to be rammed down their throats .We must never let a Jew bring up the Holyhoax without placing this immediate rejoiner . Like Religious nuts , they are likely to spew and froth at the mouth but they will never be able to retell this confrontation without lying about the events .

  173. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 9, 2011 - 3:34 am | Permalink

    Interesting character this guy Atzmon. Take from him what is useful and ignore the rest. He is an example that not everyone who is anti-Israel or anti-Zionist is pro-White, or even concerned about White culture one way or the other. Another example is Rosanne Barr: She has been critical of Israel and Zionism. Anybody think she is friend of Whites and White Christendom? LOL.

    But there may be times when using their quotes is useful. Just don’t actually romanticize them.

  174. 3D's Gravatar 3D
    October 9, 2011 - 2:42 am | Permalink

    I would not be surprised to learn that the influx of East Indian Gurus, that began in the late Bohemian/Beatnik era was facilitated in substantial ways by Judah.

  175. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    October 9, 2011 - 1:22 am | Permalink

    @arthurdecco

    Scumday, you have finally declared your allegiances! Thank you for finally self-identifying as a shameless and immoral zionist hack.

    I noticed these rats all over this site too.. GOOD JOB POINTING HIM OUT.. There are several others I got my eye on myself.. But the fact they come here, it is to be expected.. At least what we get out of it is much experience in dealing with them.

    We should also keep in mind that this site will attract FRESH BLOOD Whites who are not fully awake yet, but open to our message.. Let us not allow these detractors and rats to lead them astray or away from here… Whites need to see this place as a fun, intellectually stimulating, and a cool place to be..

  176. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    October 9, 2011 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @pessimist

    Israelis are very much a problem. Just behind China they have a massive espionage system here and in Europe to steal military secrets for themselves and to sell to the highest bidder.

    100% in accord with what you typed.. I would also add that this massive Jewish espionage system is also deployed and used against whites who stand up for their people in their native lands..

    One fairly recent example that comes to mind, is the assassination of Jorg Haider of Austria… His death was no car accident.. The man was murdered by Jews (Mossad).. they even slandered him in the mass media afterwords..

    I would also add that, there have been many others since.. Character assassinations are not the only thing we need to worry about.. The enemy will actually murder our leadership who pursue our goals peacefully in our so called “Democratic” societies..

    This massive Jewish espionage system is a serious threat to any White who begins to make inroads for our cause.. Our side must develop strategies, ways and methods, to protect our leaders and people who speak up for us.. Ideology and theory as foundation for our cause are important components, but so are tactics.. In order for our leaders to be effective they need to be secure.. I’m not sure how to go about that.. Haider was a government official..

    At the very least, we should make a lot of noise when these things do happen!! We should all get in a habit of developing a long memory for are martyrs.. and let us not shy away from naming the culprits, an raising suspicions..

  177. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 9, 2011 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    @Someday:Gilad Atzmon is a traitor to his country, he happens to be a Jewish traitor.

    Scumday, you have finally declared your allegiances! Thank you for finally self-identifying as a shameless and immoral zionist hack.

  178. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    October 9, 2011 - 12:02 am | Permalink

    “The Kumbaya ideology that there are no races is just that: A lethal ideology for the only people who will ever in their majority take it seriously—White people.”

    Proffessor Kevin MacDonald

    Amen!

  179. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    October 8, 2011 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

    @Glenn Valentine: The real architects of special relativity were Poincare and Lorentz, recall. It would not simply be a blow to Einstein if neutrinos can travel faster than light. But see how the whole thing is being framed for a big “Einstein proves all European scientists wrong again” moment.

  180. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 8, 2011 - 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Having seen through the essential criminal nature of Zionism and Jewish tribalism and having rejected both,Gilad Atzmon now considers himself not only as an ex-Israeli but also as an ex-Jew.That means he has no particular ethnic identity anymore.Still to give meaning to his life he sees himself as a “world citizen”.This is not uncommon for Jews in such a situation.Trotsky for example had the same “solution” to his identity problems.You see this also with mixed-race people.The danger is that such people see other peoples’ identities just as superfluous as their own and might become active in destroying them.

    Pious slogans like “there is no race but the human race” only demonstrate a total misunderstanding of the realities of human life.No universalist religion (Buddhism,Christianity,Islam) or political ideology (communism) has ever succeeded in abolishing these realities.To try to enforce the abolition of ethnic identities as a means to establish a Utopia on earth only will lead to suffering on a mass scale without ever succeeding in the unrealistic ideal. Naive Whites will do well to consider what such slogans mean in concrete terms.It means opening the floodgates of the Third World to their countries with the accompanying rise in crime,rape,welfare dependency, miscegenation and race-replacement.Pursued to its logical conclusion it means racial suicide for Whites and for Whites only.To avert this existential threat Whites should become realistic and develop a tribal consciousness,the only way to survive in a fiercely competitive tribal world.For this aim websites such as these have been established.

  181. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 8, 2011 - 10:45 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki: Excellent observation Rolf, and it adds clarity to the issue, as well as being true. How else can violent family disputes be explained to the point of murderous behavior at times?

  182. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    October 8, 2011 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    A private citizen who earns a living by forcefully blowing into a curved tube decides to air his personal polemics in the form of a book. In which he sets forth critique of the conduct of his co-ethnics; chiefly their duplicity, hypocrisy, double-dealing and outright criminality.
    And what exactly rescues his effort from otherwise near guaranteed obscurity ?
    The fact that he came into this world (thanks to his kosher mom) in the State of Israel. Not coincidentally, the target of his attacks are fellow Jews.
    Which brings me to the following question: How many terabytes worth of responses and/or commentary are we going to type up should a truly prominent, influential Jew experience a coming-to-Jesus moment ?

    P.S. Him resorting to ‘supremacist’ label throwing is straight out of Anal-Defecation League playbook. This tribe seems incapable of arguing without 1st putting their hostile vis-a-vis in a box with pre-manufactured tag.

  183. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    October 8, 2011 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Kevin McDonald is an honest intellectual who went far out on the limb that is the third rail for everyone else.

    He would not have dared to touch the third rail had he not been granted tenure first, providing him with a shield against economic ruin.
    The third rail is doubting the Boasist-Lysenkoist dogma about cultural determinism and the denial of genetic differences between sexes and especially races.
    The other part of the third rail is deviating from the official Jewish line about anything related to Jews. The slightest criticism of Jews as a group means social ostracism at best, economic ruin at worst.

    Anybody with half a brain knows that to be called a racist or anti-Semitic or questioning the tenets of the Holyhoax religion means almost instant economic ruin.
    In many European countries it would also mean a criminal conviction and jail term.

    Atzmon touched two aspects of the third rail, which are really all about the Jews: Zionist misdeeds, fraudulent Jewish history and aspects of the Holyhoax that violate common sense.
    He even went as far as questioning the official Jewish story about the hundreds of cases of what they call blood “libel”.
    Nobody dared to suggest that these cases were actual crimes and not “libels”, since the Toaff book, which Toaff recanted after death threats and enormous pressure.
    The real libel is against the European systems of justice in hundreds of cases over hundreds of years.
    Atzmon is very courageous, but he knows that the last aspect of the third rail not even he can’t touch. He can not be perceived as a racist, even in the pure anthropological sense of being aware of biological, genetic differences between the races of the human species.

    I believe that Prof. McDonald forgets these facts of life when he judges Atzmon.

    Atzmon is no fool. He is aware of the black problem in England, for example, but does not openly say it. He lets some Negro talk in the video.
    I do not believe for a minute that Atzmon actually believes in the Kumbaya type mantra that he closes his article with.
    That is a red herring to throw the dogs of the ant-racist Thought Police off his trail and allow him to publish and live.
    Atzmon knows that to be labeled racist would ruin him economically and socially.

  184. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    October 8, 2011 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Brilliant response, Dr MacDonald. Atzmon is a courageous and admirable man, but needs to become a bit more enlightened about the realities of tribal life.

    He is honestly critical of Jewish tribalism in its hypocrisy and cruelty to Palestinians. But he is clueless about what his tribesmen are doing to whites in the West. Israel Shamir is actually a bit more nuanced in these matters.

  185. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 8, 2011 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Should have been:

    “It seems Atzmon doesn’t want to give us any room to dream of living.”

  186. Julian Curtis Lee's Gravatar Julian Curtis Lee
    October 8, 2011 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    I find his quote of Sai Baba, the Indian guru and religious man, a little confusing. Maybe it’s Sai Baba’s fault. In that quote he appears to be imitating the promotional campaign of the PR firm for the Baha’i Faith from 1975, not the Hindu dharma. (An odd fault of his.) Yet I also find it strange that Atzmon would engage with such reductionism or religious triteness. Let me respond.

    “There is only one RACE The race of humankind

    BOR-ing. God is never boring and he actually creates multiplicity exactly as the mind itself does. A jazz musician ought to know that and prefer the “many.”

    There is only one religion

    Again, too bor-ing. The diversity-generating mind does not allow it. “One religion” doesn’t really even comport with the religious tradition Sai Baba was supposed to represent, which instead acknowledges the legitimacy of more than one path to one essence. Again, you’d think a jazz musician would prefer multiplicity and interest.

    The religion of LOVE

    There are a lot of ways to reduce religion to triteness. But I dislike like this particular reductionism. It also doesn’t resonate with the religious traditions Sai Baba represented. Upon reading Sai Baba’s base tradition (the Upanishads, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Brahma-Sutra) one would more readily say S. Baba’s religion is one of purification, or austerities, or concentration. You can find intances of a love focus in the Hindu scriptures. But that love (bhakti) is always specified as love for God, not man. Atzmon’s use of “love” here refers to a sentimental love of man for man. In Hindu context such love, beyond simple tolerance or well-wishing, is generally considered a delusional aspect of wordliness to be renounced with love-for-God preeminent.

    There is only ONE language

    Again, boring. The world would be a less rich place if all the languages disappeared. Isn’t a jazz musician’s very impulse that of speaking in his own unique language?

    the language of the HEART”

    Yet he constructs sentences on a blog. Isn’t Kevin MacDonald expressing his heart here? I know I do.

    Notwithstanding Sai Baba’s unfortunate tendency to create modernistic Baha’i-style promotional statements, he and his type are more on our side (and MacDonald’s side). They are part of a tradition, dating back to the Dharma-Manu-Shastra, that affirms the value of the races and the evil of racial destruction or even mixing.

    It simply seems that Atzmon is against the idea of multiple races and ethnicities. This itself seems inconsistent with the mentality of an artist, especially a jazz musician. Instead of “race is evil” we should think of uplifting and educating our own race or group, and others if we have the time. Maybe the truth is Atzmon’s Jewish identity is literally too strong after all, and that’s why he can’t kindly accept the expression of White ethnic identity? Maybe, too, his criticism of Israel, also, stems from strong ethnic identity and the deep desire to uplift his own people?

    I can’t accept his position that ethnic identity is inherently evil. It is contrary to the metaphysical reality of the diversity-creating Brahman itself. Sure, we can all learn cosmic love and appreciation of all. That doesn’t mean White Europeans need to disappear. It seems Atzmon doesn’t want to give up any room to dream of living.

  187. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    October 8, 2011 - 8:44 pm | Permalink

    @Someday:

    Opposition to Israel is not the litmus test for a good Jew from the white point of view.

    Someday, the consistent defender of Israel and Jews, is telling us what the litmus test is from a white point of view.

    White nationalist need to understand that they are going to come across as hypocrites crying crocodile tears for Palestinians when they criticize Israel for what it does

    Now he’s telling us to support Israel or else we’re hypocrites.

  188. Glenn Valentine's Gravatar Glenn Valentine
    October 8, 2011 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @Rehmat: This Hasbara point man spends so much time here one has to wonder who’s footing the bill. If one isn’t aware that is. TOO should just axe Shlomo’s posts. Sure, he’ll come back under yet another name (more like ‘they’ will come back under another name lol) but at least we’ll have the amusement of seeing them try another tack, as amateur as they all have been.

  189. Glenn Valentine's Gravatar Glenn Valentine
    October 8, 2011 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Atzmon’s views are also consistent with that of most jews in scientific research. The reason so many jewish ‘legends’ in the sciences eventually have their theories or ‘discoveries’ peter out is the simple fact that when working on things, many jews have a habit of tossing aside ideas and/or evidence that doesn’t work they way they want it to, in many cases coming up with conclusions first and then constructing research in a way to prove that their ideas are right. This is not discussed openly too often, but it is recognized in physics and medicine by a great many non-jewish researchers. Look at the panic amongst the jews at the moment because the myth of Einstein has taken another big hit. Like someone else wrote in another thread, you have to wonder if the tribe will get together and promise anything, pay anything, do anything in order to get the scientists at CERN to change their tune.

  190. STARSCREAM's Gravatar STARSCREAM
    October 8, 2011 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Prof. Mac definitely won this round of mental-tennis. I mean if the world currently existed as a workers utopia void of ethnic identity, it’d be one thing. But that plan failed and hence the rise of Gramsci as the primary marxist- theoretician. All a white American really needs in order to see through Gilad’s delusion is a true multi-cult experience. Whether it be Asian, Mexican, or black-these races will never drop their racial identities-especially when incentivized by our ruling elites. So it becomes only a matter of time before whites unify by race as practiced by every other ethnic enclave in America.

  191. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    October 8, 2011 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Israelis are very much a problem. Just behind China they have a massive espionage system here and in Europe to steal military secrets for themselves and to sell to the highest bidder. They have even been caught trying to sell to the Chinese our classified AWACS system and the F-22. And like typical Jews, they whined and complained when caught.

    Then there was that issue with the Jewish family that stole nuclear targeting secrets from the Navy and sold them to the Israelis.

    And then we get to all the Zionists in Washington that have gotten us into 2 misbegotten wars that have almost bankrupted us economically and militarily.

    Israeli citizens are told when they travel abroad to report to the Israeli gov’t anything of import they notice.

    This isn’t the behavior of a normal country but one that views the rest of the world as their enemies.

  192. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 8, 2011 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

    @Chris Moore:
    In reality – both Jewish and Christian Zionists are problem not only for the Palestinians but the entire western world which has been bankrupted for supporting Israel financially and protecting its illegal exitence by fighting trillions of dollars global wars.

    Interstingly, while the US is going through the worse recession – Israel has topped the list of economic gaints.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/economy-us-a-minus-israel-a-plus/

  193. October 8, 2011 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    @Someday: “Israelis are not the problem it’s Diaspora Jews that are the problem.”

    Actually, it’s the entire Zionist (Jewish supremacist) amalgamation that’s the problem, from far Left to far Right, Diaspora to Aliyah.

    Everyone who frequents this sight knows organized Jewry in its ENTIRETY can’t be trusted under ANY circumstances. In addition to its insatiably greedy character (which makes any lasting alliances entirely doomed from the get-go), it has religious imperatives to rule the world from Jerusalem in a caste system-like hierarchy with itself at the top.

    Your appeals may work in certain greedy and venal Judeo-Christian Zionist and Anglo-fascist “royalist” circles with an ignoble history of collaborating with Jewry, but anyone who’s an authentic Christian or truly interested in the plight of the majority of Europeans and European Americans (and not part of some Jew-like, self-serving, particularistic cult, social sect or ideological clique) knows that organized Jewry can never be allowed an iota of moral authority over the White man or the West, because it will poison the well at first opportunity. This includes mirroring authoritarian Israeli policies like min-Zio lap dogs want to do, or picking fights with Arabs and Muslims in order to use their retaliation as a pretext for bigger wars and land grabs like Zionists do.

    These mini Zio goys or so stupid, they want us to be led around by the nose by probably the most inbred, squirmy-brained demographic on the planet. They figure they can cut a deal with the devil and come out the other end rich. They’re wrong.

    Haven’t you figured out yet that people here are too Jew-wise to fall for what you’re trying to sell?

  194. skullnboner's Gravatar skullnboner
    October 8, 2011 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Supremacist and Sai Baba…lol! I’m just wondering if Gilad isn’t employing his mischievous sense of humor. Sai Baba…the fakir and pervert?! I am the Supreme..the Almighty Fuzzy. Fear me! Sorry, I just couldn’t take his reply too seriously. Not sure just how seriously he regards the danger to white preservation or that he even cares about that…and why would he.

  195. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    October 8, 2011 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    By ‘Zionists’ I suppose you mean Israelis and those who support Israel. Israel is a country, a nation state and like all actual nation states they’re vulnerable to the accusation that they are mistreating minorities. The only way to avoid that accusation is to dissolve your nation state. It’s not hypocrisy for Israelis to refuse to do that any more than it is for white countries. Israelis are not the problem it’s Diaspora Jews that are the problem.

    What has got you railing about Israel is that some pro Israel Jews and their white hirelings are powerful advocates for immigration into white counties. But you seem to ignore the leftist Diaspora Jews, who are lukewarm at best about Israel but still hard line open borders advocates. The leftist Jews make common cause with leftist whites who are numerous and dislike Israel.

    Pro immigration agitators include both kind of Jews. The pro Israel crowd in white countries can be confronted about the fact that, just as it is perfectly legitimate for Israel, as a nation state, to combats military and demographic threats to its existence by any means necessary, it is also legitimate for white countries to do the same. White nationalist need to understand that they are going to come across as hypocrites crying crocodile tears for Palestinians when they criticize Israel for what it does.

  196. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    October 8, 2011 - 4:18 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki: In the meantime, we might was well “take our own side”.

  197. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    October 8, 2011 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Great response, and vintage Kevin Macdonald. The sad truth is that humanity is inherently sectarian. We are factions in Darwinian competition for wealth and food sources. If multiple races or ethnicities are not present around which to draw the sectarian lines, people will manufacture them from abstractions. The bloody religious wars of the pre-enlightenment Europe, which was homogenously white, are a demonstration of this fact. Similar conflicts can be found in 19th century America, as between the Mormons and other groups in the West and the Civil War, most notably of all.

  198. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 8, 2011 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Kevin – I think you’re so offended by Gilad Atzmon’s respond that you are losing rationality. The so-called “supremacist” term is not reserved for Whitefolks only. Blacks and Muslims, too have been labeled “supremacists” by the ADL and KKK. Atzmon did not used the word “supremacist” but his fellow Jewish dude too. What Atzmon really meant was that anyone who lives in suriority of his race, religion or nationality – is a “supremacist”. And I agree with him on that point.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/nietzsche-on-christianity-jews-muslims-and-supremacy/

  199. Walter Rauff's Gravatar Walter Rauff
    October 8, 2011 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Someday – the problem with that thinking is ignorance to the hypocrisy involved in Zionist Jewry. Just like the neo-Cons, most Zionist Jews are all for the destruction of white nations via non-white immigration, so long as it isn’t Arabs coming over here, another culturally cohesive group who are considered their enemies and could threaten their power. White nationalism should NEVER make the dangerous play of looking toward Zionists jews as allies against Islam, liberalism. For millenia the main reason for anti-semitism is because Jewish nationalism – whether it be zionism or any of the leftist political-social movements they have spawned, always asserts itself to the detriment of other people – mainly western host nations they live within. Anyone who cannot see Israel as a giant blood-sucking parasite that has become a curse on America needs to get their head examined. We may be on the verge not only of financial/economic collapse, advanced along by our overseas interventionism and willingness to be Israel’s attack dog/mercenary – but quite possibly are now a target for nuclear terrorism in retaliation for our policies, and maybe nuclear war. The only thing that I have to say for Gilad Atzmon, Norm Finkelstein, Israel Shamir, etc. – is that they are intellectually honest in the application of their liberal pluralist principles to their own people as much as they demand it of everybody else, especially white gentiles. The only real Jews whom we should count as being on “our side” are people like Benjamin Freedman (The Hidden Tyranny), and Brother Nathaniel Kapner (realzionistnews.com).

  200. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    October 8, 2011 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Gilad Atzmon is a traitor to his country, he happens to be a Jewish traitor. No Jew, certainly not one born in Israel, can say what he says in good conscience .

    Opposition to Israel is not the litmus test for a good Jew from the white point of view. Willingness to oppose immigration into white countries is. Why can’t people here understand that the anti-Israel Jews are also anti-nation state in general, in principle.

  201. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    October 8, 2011 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Atzman is enjoying the status of a Righteous Jew, like Finkelstein and a few others. Finkelstein is a left zionist (1948 ok, 1967 not ok). Atzman proudly asserts how wonderful a human being he is. O , and he is a musician, that makes him a genuinely Universal Man.

    His type , the humanitarian Liberal, is useful to the Jews as it provides an argument for Good Jews, to keep the White LIberals on leash. Maybe he will start a Jews for Jesus unit, or, better, a We Shall Overcome Party of Jews and Arabs for Palestine. Maybe he will be cut down by a Palestinian, sick of the Good Jews. Give me Netanyahu over Atzlan. Then, the words are over and the war begins. Joe

  202. monte's Gravatar monte
    October 8, 2011 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Satya Sai Baba sounds terrific. During the flower-power seventies his type were legion. The point is to make it work on a realistic basis. That is the great challenge. As far as I can see, Atzmon has never understood this.
    Misty-eyed indeed…

  203. October 8, 2011 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

    MacDonald: “Atzmon loves the ideal of post-Enlightenment European individualism. I do too. The problem is that I think that it is very unlikely that Western individualism will survive the assault by the Jewish left.”

    We know that organized Jewry instigated leftism, via Marxism and other intellectual movements, to think the way it does, and instill hatred of Western civilization and Whites into many of the White masses themselves, and others. We know that organized Jewry and its relentless, self-serving agitation , greed and conspiring is at the root of the decline of Western man, and that it pollutes both the Left and the Right.

    Theoretically speaking, could the healing and recovery begin if Zionism was declared an illegal, criminal, conspiracy and relentlessly harassed and hamstrung, say under RICO statutes, all the way back to Israel, not unlike the Italian mafia was attacked? At this point, no one can deny that international Zionism is uniquely dangerous, subversive and inassimilable, and hence requires extraordinary measures and singling out.

    I think this “rotten apple” approach is truly the most reasonable, humane, honorable and intellectual response to an intractable yet intolerable situation.

    The only alternative seems to be civil war, and who knows where that could end?

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