Ban Dante, Racist, Homophobe, Islamophobe, Anti-Semite

Alex Kurtagic


The Telegraph reports:

The classic work should be removed from school curricula, according to Gherush 92, a human rights organisation which acts as a consultant to UN bodies on racism and discrimination.

Dante’s epic is “offensive and discriminatory” and has no place in a modern classroom, said Valentina Sereni, the group’s president.

Divided into three parts – Hell, Purgatory and Heaven – the poem consists of 100 cantos, of which half a dozen were marked out for particular criticism by the group.

It represents Islam as a heresy and Mohammed as a schismatic and refers to Jews as greedy, scheming moneylenders and traitors, Miss Sereni told the Adnkronos news agency.

“The Prophet Mohammed was subjected to a horrific punishment – his body was split from end to end so that his entrails dangled out, an image that offends Islamic culture,” she said.

Homosexuals are damned by the work as being “against nature” and condemned to an eternal rain of fire in Hell.

Providing an example of what passes for logic inside these ‘human rights’ group, Miss Sereni stated:

“We do not advocate censorship or the burning of books, but we would like it acknowledged, clearly and unambiguously, that in the Divine Comedy there is racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic content. Art cannot be above criticism,” . . .

Schoolchildren and university students who studied the work lacked “the filters” to appreciate its historical context and were being fed a poisonous diet of anti-Semitism and racism, the group said.

It called for the Divine Comedy to be removed from schools and universities or at least have its more offensive sections fully explained.

Okay. So the group doesn’t advocate censorship, but they want the Divine Comedy removed from schools and universities.

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And while they would allow schools and universities to keep the books, this would be with the proviso that they be affixed some sort of warning sticker, or that new editions be prepared, presumably with an introduction and footnotes loaded with propaganda, so that young readers approach the text armour-plated with prejudices. The reason, according to the group, is that

schoolchildren and university students who stud[y] the work [lack] “the filters” to appreciate its historical context and [are] being fed a poisonous diet of anti-Semitism and racism . . .

Except . . . Wouldn’t that alone be a form of censorship?

The question is fair, because in an age when ‘racism’ and ‘anti-Semitism’ are considered the worst conceivable evil, the worst moral defect of which an author can be accused, labelling a work of literature in this manner is effectively to censor it. What this does is put it beyond the pale. The books may not be burnt in the physical realm, but they are certainly burnt in the moral realm. They become inaccessible, only in a different way.

One, of course, wonders how it is that the Divine Comedy was safe to read for seven centuries, but suddenly becomes ‘poisonous’ in our age of ubiquitous perversion and pornography.

I decided to look into Gherush 92, as I had never previously heard of this group.

I thought maybe I would find out why they arrogated themselves the right to speak on behalf of all Italians, and dictate what parts of their national patrimony ought to be forgotten and left to rot.

Gherush’s website offers no clue as to the group’s location, no information about its staff, and no mention of its sources of funding. Its contact page offers no means to contact anyone, except via an html form. An email address appears elsewhere on the website, but is equally faceless: gheroush92@gheroush92.com.

Why the secrecy?

Should not a ‘human rights’ organisation be transparent?

We do get a sense as to the type of organisation this is by looking at its campaigns:

  1. An article dated 17 June 2011, screams ‘THE BAN OF THE JEWISH AND ISLAMIC SLAUGHTER IS A VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS’
  2. Another, dated 29 December 2009, shrieks ‘LET US CANCEL THE PAPAL VISIT TO THE SYNAGOGUE’
  3. Yet another, dated 12 October 2009, demands shrilly, ‘EUROPA & AMERICAS STOP CELEBRATING OCTOER 12!’

Campaign #2 is of particular interest. The associated article makes wild and hysterical claims:

The upcoming Papal visit to the Synagogue of Rome is an insult to Jews, Roma gypsies, to gay people, to women and to all who were massacred in the Shoah and during the course of the centuries of Christianity. The offensive distortion of memory, the praise of silence and the minimizing of the meaning of the Shoah are an offense and violation of the human rights of all victims.

Benedict XVI has planned a true campaign for Christianity’s appropriation of both Memory and the Shoah and is acting knowingly and at a time of its choosing to prepare for his visit to the Synagogue of Rome. The clear intent of the Pope is to enter the Synagogue as a Pope King and Pope on a triumphal march surrounded by the hymns of praise of the conventional thinkers and the opportunists. As the founder of a new conservative current of negationism and historical revisionism, the Pontiff aims to reduce the Shoah to an event that—however serious it was—happened only by chance. For the Pope, the Shoah must remain forever disconnected from Christianity and, therefore, from historical anti-Semitism

The Pope intends to manipulatively drag anyone he can into this new line of thought, even Jews so as to squash them and isolate them in their memory.

[yada yada yada . . .]

I say this campaign is of particular interest, because while its subheading demands ‘Let us cancel the interfaith dialogue!’, last year this same group was all about promoting interfaith dialogue between Judaism and Islam. On 14 March 2011, they announced:

We have the pleasure to invite you to the side event entitled “JUDAISM AND ISLAM. RULES FOR A NEW GOLDEN AGE”, that will be held next March 23 from 1 to 3pm, in Geneva, UN Headquarters, during the 16th Session of the Council for Human Rights.

The aim of the event is to create an unprecedented meeting in which Islamic and Jewish culture, laws and rules could be considered as a holistic and self-consistent system able to effectively contribute to the main issues of Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) such as environment, food, poverty, human rights and sustainable development.

The event will maintain a strictly cultural and scientific approach. The reference to the “Golden Age” has to be considered as an historical guideline for a new impulse to cooperation among prominent and traditional ancient cultures in view of a new development program in the area in the concerned areas.

One is tempted to imagine possible explanations that would elegantly resolve this apparent contradiction. Unfortunately, even though the group has been active for at least seven years, their campaign record is arguably too exiguous to draw conclusions without opening oneself to the accusation of reaching, paranoia, or acting in bad faith. One wonders how the pronouncement on Dante from such a non-transparent organization merited a news item in the Telegraph.

Here is what I think: those who have come to live in Europe and whose ancestors are not from Europe should be required to study the European classics, unfiltered, uncensored, and without instructors having any regard for their charges’ race, nationality, or religious persuasion. Anyone who feels offended is in the wrong place to begin with. Anyone kicking a fuss should be admonished as an ungrateful guest and shown the door. Because these exogenous minorities are here by the grace of the natives, who have allowed them to share the benefits of living in the latter’s wealthy, prosperous, safe, technologically advanced society, where things work, folk are nice, and there is always plenty to eat. This is our home, and anyone wanting to live here has to contribute and abide by our rules. We were under no obligation to let them in, let alone cede to them places in our schools and universities that could, and should, have gone to our own youths. In fact, many of us resent the fact that our political establishment opened the doors to so many against our wishes. Let those who have been allowed to live among us be reminded of how lucky they are every day.

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153 Comments to "Ban Dante, Racist, Homophobe, Islamophobe, Anti-Semite"

  1. me's Gravatar me
    March 19, 2012 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Remember that Jews look at Moorish Spain as their Golden age, they are much more comfortable with islam with its’ mistreatment/marginalization of women (Hasidic women, for example shave their heads and wear wigs rather than head scarves) banning of Pork, and central authoritarian despotic rule.

    Many jews – even conservative ones like David Horotwitz even blame Islamic opposition to Israel on contact with the west (the ‘nazis’ apparently had contact with Palestinians – probably to form something like the Punjab SS regiment that existed during WWII)

    NEVER under estimate how much they hate Christianity. We got a hint of it when that Rabbi critical of Tim Teabow wrote ‘cross, swastika, it’s all the same’.

  2. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    March 19, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    If The Divine Comedy is racist, homophobic, Islamophobic and antisemitic it must be the aim of morally sound instruction to see that the pupils never write anything like it.

    That should be easy. Teach it to the “multicultural” masses that are flooding into our countries. It’s a certainty they’ll never write the like.

  3. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Well said! If we allow the banning of such a great work of art, will we baulk at anything? Barbarians! What scares me is that the Anti-Christians in our own ranks will join the chorus. Dante has many unflattering things to say about a lot of people.

  4. me's Gravatar me
    March 19, 2012 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

    One, of course, wonders how it is that the Divine Comedy was safe to read for seven centuries, but suddenly becomes ‘poisonous’ in our age of ubiquitous perversion and pornography.

    Actually there is a correlation – the more decandant we become, the more deviant behavior is normalized, the more political thought is suppressed. is it a surprise that the Divine Comedy, which deals with corruption and immorality, should be considered offensive in this age?

    Greedy, ruthless money lenders thrive under corrupt regimes.. Truth and light are their enemies

  5. me's Gravatar me
    March 19, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    The whole thing smacks of crypto-Judaism, since the positions they take are entirely in line with the mainstream activist Jewish community in the Diaspora.
    this also explains their support of multicultralism – FINALLY they won’t be the only ones calling for de-Christianizing Europe- they can now add other voices to calls to eliminate Christmas, Easter, to criticize western art as ‘racist’ or ‘antisemitic’.
    They are a little disappointed, it seems, that other groups don’t share their rabid hatred of Christianity – and to their horror, for example, many Asians enjoy celebrating a secular Christmas

  6. Lancashire lad's Gravatar Lancashire lad
    March 19, 2012 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Well said, but all the same it’s a fringe group or perhaps just a single person. We have bigger fish to fry.

  7. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 19, 2012 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    I hope they actually keep this up. One of the chief arguments by these White-haters is that only uneducated white trash are “racist” and “hateful.” By trying to ban people like Dante, Voltaire, Shakespeare, and others it’s going to become clearer and clearer that the best Europeans were very racially conscious and Jew-wise. They’ll make our arguments for us.

  8. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 19, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    How come every Jew is a Shakespeare expert?

  9. me's Gravatar me
    March 19, 2012 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    @fender: actually fender, lanch. lad – the problem is they have been succeeding and continue to succeed.

    Think of all the words that were once ‘harmless ‘ – saying oriental can practically get you thrown in jail. The Confederate flag was once on and ABC primetime show and behind nearly every southern rock/country singer on stage.
    “merry christmas’ is now offensive. Look at our history books – now purged of nearly anything negative about anyone non-white with page after page of guilt tripping whites…

    Banning Dante is child’s play to these people – and they will succeed. Sorry guys you’re just not being realistic. WIthout a radical change in the environment and the people this stuff is going to continue.

    What will really get interesting is that Islam calls for death to anyone who insult ‘the prophet’ (Thus the fate of Theo. Van Gough) so it will be interesting to see what will happen to dante scholars or if they had a public reading of Dante… will this happen? No. THere will be no salomon rusdhie like public reading – the left knows who the enemy is – during ‘banned books’ week they’ll take out something absurd like “To Kill A Mockingbird’ or “Lolita”

  10. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 3:37 pm | Permalink

    @Lancashire lad:
    I urge you to reconsider your position. I shared it for far too many years. They never hit us with one killing blow, it is death by a thousand paper cuts, the road to hell is, indeed, a gentle downward slope.

    One day you wake up to learn that while every kind of perversity must be celebrated and honored discreet nursing mothers are told to leave public places.

    I was and am a very tolerant person.My husband insisted I learn the true meaning of tolerance. It is the amount of deviation from the norm acceptable without ruining the entire system Ask any engineer.

    We must rekindle our sense of outrage. If nothing shocks and moves us – we may deserve what we get.

  11. omop's Gravatar omop
    March 19, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    The time is nigh where a “human” declares unequivocally that he/she has the same human rights to be a homophobe, an anti muslim as well as an antisemite as well as a racist as the rest of the human race.

    Thats when an “equality” of rights comes into existance.

  12. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    March 19, 2012 - 4:44 pm | Permalink

    @me: I use the term ‘Oriental’ quite often, and no problems yet. In fact, a couple of my Japanese friends object to the term ‘Asian’ – too inclusive, they say.

    On MLK B-day, I hang up a confederate flag, with the obligatory explanation that I am commemorating General Robert E. Lee’s B-day (born Jan. 19 1807); no problems with that either, other than a lot of gleeful smiles.

    Love the title: (Ban) “Dante – Racist, Homophobe, Islamophobe, Anti-Semite”. These are old-time European values – they served us well for thousands of years! Dante – my kind of guy!

  13. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 19, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Alex, I must commend you on drawing the appropriate conclusions on how all foreigners must behave towards the nation and people they have come to live among. Bravo!! Now if only millions of American citizens would understand this truth and begin a campaign forcing our government to live up to those ideals. What we have now, instead, is massive discontent, an attitude towards European-Americans that sucks, and massive crime and criminality of every kind by many of these “new” Americans, with the Congress facilitating their bullshit on a daily basis.

  14. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 19, 2012 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly: That’s interesting Farnham, because when I left a post on one website explaining to the clown that was complaining of all the sins Europen-Americans committed, I used the term Oriental when answering him back, and he admonished me on how that is a “racist” term.

  15. Veritas liberavit vos's Gravatar Veritas liberavit vos
    March 19, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “Gherush” (initial hard “g” for the letter “gimel”) means “expulsion” or “banishment” in Hebrew. “92″ could refer to 1492, the year the Catholic Monarchs expelled the Jews from Spain. Maybe this shadowy “human rights” organization seeks to exact some “payback” for that event?

  16. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    March 19, 2012 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: I would surmise the person (I use that term loosely) who admonished you was a wimpy White (formerly an Aryan if he/she ever was one) since it is only the Emasculated (not to be confused with Emancipated) Europeans who buy into this corny egalitarian crap.

    The Orientals are different – the Chinese, the Japanese, the Koreans, etc. are different. They really are racists, justifiably proud of it, and are not disturbed by such aracial, homophilic, hebrewphilic liturgical nonsense demanding preference for the use of ‘Asian’ over ‘Oriental’.

    We really need to start ridiculing those who denounce the manifestations of the holy order of Nature, such as the wonderful reality of subspecies (race), the love of subspecies preservation, the concept of male and female, the fact that life is born from male/female reproduction, strength, cleanliness, moral virtue, and courage. These people are not only sick, they are absolutely evil. I don’t know if a pill can ever be developed to cure them of their anti-Nature predispositions.

  17. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    Yeah, Asian is the term they prefer now, I don’t know why, but they all use the term Asian. There are Asian Student Leagues, not Oriental Student Leagues. As I understand it, Oriental should be applied to things, not humans. Rugs are Oriental, people are Asian.

    I’m not sure why the change, but I pretty much accept it, because Asians themselves prefer the term Asian. And somehow it does sound more elevated.

  18. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly:

    Japan and China haven’t fallen for the “all races are the same” mantra and I don’t think they will. Now, I read somewhere that South Korea is getting pretty multiethnic, but when I look online, everything says it’s pretty damned homogeneous. So all these societies in the East are staying homogeneous and will get more prosperous, while we stagnate and become a mixture of North Africa and Guatemala.

    I’ve heard people tell me the airports in Korea, Japan and Singapore are far beyond ours already. Just look at the ads for Singapore Airlines – pretty young female stewardesses instead of the harsh old hags we have, along with a few gay guys. It appears the rest of the world will not be following us down the MultiKult sewer hole.

  19. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 19, 2012 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “harsh old hags”. Jason, that’s too funny, but unfortuntaley true. It’s not age I object to, but the “harsh” part, something I’ve noticed to.

  20. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    @me:

    I wish Christian Zionists would learn that Jews see Christians as more of a threat than Muslims, historically. If any of you have conversations with religious groups, you might bring it up. Christians tend to think Jews want to preserve Western Civilization as much as they do (naive and gullible). But Jews have done fairly well under Muslim regimes (think Ottoman Empire) at times, perhaps better than under Christian rule.

    Anything that could shake Christian Zionists from their fairy tale beliefs would be useful.

  21. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Another gift we owe to affirmative action. Ageism. Ignore the reality that it is not humanly possible to wait on an endless variety of unhappy people, jammed into a plane, and remain pleasant for 20 years. It would make anyone harsh. Five years tops. We need to go back to checking in with reality every now and again.

  22. European's Gravatar European
    March 19, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    We must rekindle our sense of outrage.

    That is what is wrong in this country. One is almost forbidden to express outrage….everything else; other then my European standard is acceptable. I never thought I would have to fight for my European values, standards, being of Christian White German descend, and with a God given right to life. Everything is being destroyed if it just minutely resembles Christian European. Don’t let this happen here in the US.
    I just read an article that in England a case was won; that you could not were a cross-neck-lace in the work-place.
    What next?________________________________________
    http://rt.com/news/uk-bans-wearing-cross-317/

  23. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    I do not understand why you would address a comment to me after you felt the need to describe how disgusting you find me.
    That did not strike me as a particularly Christian thing to say.

  24. cecil henry's Gravatar cecil henry
    March 19, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    This is such a sick society and sick media who can make these kind of arguments. They are destructive fools.

    Great final paragraph Mr. Kurtagic

  25. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 19, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Why I dislike Dante

    Well, I am glad someone has finally had the courage to point out Dante’s multitudinous deficiencies. Just because Dante has been canonized as Italy’s greatest writer doesn’t give him, or his admirers, an immunity from criticism.

    Personally, I don’t mind Dante’s Islamophobia. He was on to something there. Muslims can be quite a nuisance, as anyone will tell you who lives in Israel and has to put with these people on a daily basis.

    His anti-Semitism is an entirely different kettle of fish. It may have cut the mustard in medieval Italy, but it is no longer appropriate in the post-Holocaust era.

    Gone are the days when Jews can be held up to contempt for no other reason than their association with moneylending and “usury” — activities which, as we all know, form the very basis of the respectable banking profession today.

    As to the charge of deicide, let’s have none of that nonsense. Even the Catholic Church has seen fit to apologize abjectly to the Jewish community for this dangerous dogma, promulgated by every single Father of the Church from St Jerome onward: i.e., the idea that Jews were collectively to blame for the death of the Carpenter of Nazereth.

    The infamous passage in which the deicide canard has been foisted on a foolish world, in St Matthew’s Gospel, ought to be deleted at once.

    In many ways, I regret to say, the New Testament is a deeply subversive book on a par with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Dante was of course a “good Catholic” — though his bizarre lifelong obsession with an underage girl, Beatrice, gives cause for grave concern. The Catholic Church, it seems to me, has always been a bit too too lax in its attitude to these dubious intergenerational relationships.

    Over Dante’s reputation as a respectable family man, a question mark, like a sword of Damocles, must always hang.

    Finally, I must make brief mention about this overestimated author’s deplorable attitude to individuals who, for one reason or other, prefer the amorous embraces of their own sex to the tedious and predictable fumblings practised by hererosexuals.

    I make no mention here of my own sexual predilections — that is an entirely personal matter which I decline to discuss on a public forum such as this — but let it be said that Dante’s homophobia is to me not only unacceptable but verging on criminality.

    Much needless scorn has been poured on the human rights group that has had the courage to highlight Dante’s manifold deficiencies. I will say no more. I wish to see ths poet banned. At once. He is a dangerous influence, a corrupter of youth like Socrates — and if he were alive today, I would offer him hemlock.

  26. European's Gravatar European
    March 19, 2012 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Perhaps I did not find some of your post to me very Christian or factual either. And perhaps I just happen to agree with what you’ve said in your statement. That is all! You may not like me, (and I could care less one way or the other), and I may not like you, that does not mean you were wrong in what you said in the statement. Objectivity counts! I have agreed with Jews as well, if they make a statement that is true.
    I am not robbed of anything by agreeing/or underlining your statement, but if you prefere I do not address you, I thank you for letting me know, and will refrain from doing so in the future. You will not find me kissing, muching up, or complementing you or anyone else here. When the sky is blue it is blue no matter who said it, that is if you can relate to a fact. Just a fact, nothing more and nothing less.

  27. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 19, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “Japan and China haven’t fallen for the “all races are the same” mantra and I don’t think they will. ”

    Depends on whether the tribe moves east after they’re done ravaging the west. The Japanese won’t be too receptive of them, as they are weary of all foreigners, but the Chinese are money-obsessed robots who’ve had a substantial semitic presence in their government since the early 20th Century. Needless to say, the moment large numbers of Jews move to China we can say with certainty that they’re doomed.

  28. Kullervo's Gravatar Kullervo
    March 19, 2012 - 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Maybe banning Dante will have the paradoxical effect of getting students to read it. I somehow doubt there is an epidemic of Dante addiction in our high schools and universities! How many here have actually read a part of the Divine Comedy? I wonder in which circle of modern PC hell Dante’s soul is being tormented in for his thought crimes? It would be an interesting spoof and satire to rewrite the Commedia in terms of modern multi culti and PC rules. Circle five: defilers of the environment, Circle nine: anti-semites and Holocaust deniers!

  29. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    The Chinese are a mystery to me in that regard. They obviously are a smart group of people, yet they were backward for centuries (yes, they were the first to do things thousands of years ago, but not so much for the last 500 years). The current population must lack some creativity. They have a big conformist streak and this could be taken advantage of by Jews in the future.

    The Chinese have also seemed unable to create their own model of success in the modern world, borrowing first from Karl Marx and now from capitalism (a bastardized version of it). They are doing well for sure, but their tendency to adopt foreign models may make them vulnerable to Jewish exploitation.

    But so far, they seem pretty “Chinese-first” in their attitude.

  30. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 9:20 pm | Permalink


    Here is what I think: those who have come to live in Europe and whose ancestors are not from Europe should be required to study the European classics, unfiltered, uncensored, and without instructors having any regard for their charges’ race, nationality, or religious persuasion. Anyone who feels offended is in the wrong place to begin with. Anyone kicking a fuss should be admonished as an ungrateful guest and shown the door.

    Here’s what I think:
    Europe needs immigration like a hole in the head. Visitors are welcome but only for short visits and they had better be polite, respectful, and well behaved.
    Incentives for non-Europeans to vacate Europe will be awarded to those who go back. Exclusively white areas of Europe will be encouraged .
    The same policy would apply to US and Canada.

  31. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 19, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @me:

    Jewish orientalists artificially enobled the muslims of spain as a way of degrading not only Spains White Christians but indirectly all western men and women.

    The praise of this Moorish never never land is clearly over the top verging short incredulity but it has taken some currency.

  32. me's Gravatar me
    March 19, 2012 - 9:37 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Christian Zionists are really sad cases. I have shown them articles of Jews spitting on CHristians in Jerusualenm, the reaction is ‘well who are these so called Christians” – somehow Catholic/Orthodox are not ‘Christian’ to them. It’s really sad because I suspect like many fundementalists, when they find out their particular beliefs are wrong, they tend to lose faith and go into hyper-atheism, which is equally destructive.

    That is my fear of both christian zionism and the misuse of traditional american patriotism (Think Pat Tillman) – the result is not usually helpful to ‘our cause’ but both cases just breed cynical, nihilistic letheargical behavior at best, and at worst, yet more anti-western lefties.

    From the article

    but we would like it acknowledged, clearly and unambiguously, that in the Divine Comedy there is racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic content.

    Do you notice how we’re supposed to just ‘accept’ this charge, without even thinking? Why is it anti-semetic? It’s been some years since I read it, but I recall actually being surprised that it was remarkably philo-semetic – Moses, for example is in Paradise, and many of the pre-Christ hebrews are at least in purgatory while even Virgil (or is he in purgatory?) and many pagans are in hell, – even virtuous ones, but usually on the upper rings.

    So what this group is really saying is that Christian theology in inherently anti-semitic, anti-Islamic and homophobic and.. racist? I don’t even recall any ‘racism’ in the DC… In fact, Dante was hardest on corrupt politicians in Italy- maybe that’s why the current elite want it banned!

  33. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 19, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    The use of the term Shoah instead of Holocaust immediately gives these people away. These are clearly Jews with the usual diaspora-strategy : forming alliances with other minorities in order to undermine the majority. In this case they choose the Muslims as their allies. Their ideal is probably a Muslim-subjugated Europe on which they can safely parasitize as happened during their “Golden Age” in medieval Spain. This means that here we don’t have to do with zionist Jews for whom the Muslims are an existential enemy in a “clash-of-civilizations” type of struggle, but with diaspora Jews with a long term diaspora-strategy. Probably they see Israel as a lost case and have decided on a “safer” project : a demoralized, subjugated Europe on which they can parasitize. They understand very well that in order to demoralize a population you”ll have to destroy its culture. Hence – as Italian Jews – the attack on Dante.

  34. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    March 19, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns: I agree with you John, but I’d go even further: I say that eventually a forced repatriation will take place after Europeans have finally woken up that multiculturalism was a disease deliberately introduced into European nations by our ancient racial enemy to actually kill us off.

    It may start small, say in Norway, where evidently every rape or murder over the past (I think) eight years was committed by either an African or an Arab, that is to say until one Anders Breivick came along. It then spreads like fire to the rest of Europe and countries like Australia, Canada the US, etc. etc.

  35. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    The use of the term Shoah instead of Holocaust immediately gives these people away. These are clearly Jews with the usual diaspora-strategy : forming alliances with other minorities in order to undermine the majority. In this case they choose the Muslims as their allies.

    There will come a time when the holyhoax will be commonly known to be the swindle that it is.
    IMO , they are in big trouble.

  36. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 19, 2012 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    @Floda:

    I agree with you John, but I’d go even further: I say that eventually a forced repatriation will take place after Europeans have finally woken up that multiculturalism was a disease deliberately introduced into European nations by our ancient racial enemy to actually kill us off.

    I would support forced repatriation in severe cases and only when the nice cop thing did not work.
    My attitude towards the invaders is that they were doing what they needed to do for making a better life. I can’t blame them for that, they were manipulated by our ancient racial enemy just like we were . It is better to identify the common manipulator/enemy and to come to the common agreement that the world is best made up of nation hoods rather than a multi-cult global playhouse made for the advantage of ALL NATIONS ancient manipulating enemy.

  37. March 19, 2012 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

    @cecil henry:

    I totally agree.

    It makes sense that there are so many people with mental problems, because our culture is insane and toxic, and people are strongly discouraged (by political correctness) from expressing how they really feel about the situation.

    Apparently it is actually illegal to speak the truth (or at least question history) in some European countries. A T.O.O. writer once used the term “mental straitjacket.”

    People tell us how to feel, try to force us how to think and feel.

    They want us to embrace what is obviously unnatural.

    (Thanks for the article, Mr. Kurtagic. And thanks to others for coming here and caring about Whites/Europeans.)

  38. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    March 19, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    @me: “(the ‘nazis’ apparently had contact with Palestinians – probably to form something like the Punjab SS regiment that existed during WWII)”

    At least a battalion of Zionist Jews fought in Hitler’s armies.

    NOT Palestinians!

    Here’s just more disinformation from our manipulators…geez!!!!!

  39. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    March 19, 2012 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: “How come every Jew is a Shakespeare expert? ”

    Good question.

    Anyone?…?

  40. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 19, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco:

    That’s a good question, that Harold Bloom guy (Jew) claims to be a big expert. They tear down every other great White writer from the past, but not Shakespeare so much. I don’t know why, but it is curious. Is it because Shakespeare didn’t really promote a national or ethnic culture of any kind? Was he more “cosmopolitan” in his approach?

    They generally like White writers that tear down White societies or paint them as ugly (I guess Faulkner fits in here). I’m not a Shakespeare expert, but there must be something they find agreeably subversive about him? Yet, Shakespeare is brilliant, and would seem to stand out as an example of White male genius.

  41. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 19, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    They put all their energy into keeping The Merchant Of Venice out of production.

  42. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    March 19, 2012 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: Becau@arthurdecco: I have a private answer that served me well for a long time.Jews are always experts,instructors,sages wherever they go.History of Eskimo poetry- no doubt written by Shapiro,Explanation of the American Revolution- a swarm of hebrew experts explaining to Americans their own history.Pick up book on tantric sex- Shapiro! Worse yet that eventually the “White National movement for the Dummies” will have a Benji Schnitzelkopf for an author.They love to instruct because they have been told they are smarter.

  43. Ritchard's Gravatar Ritchard
    March 19, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    I wonder why whites still cling to Christianity it seems to be the source of our problems in dealing with other races and religions? Other races seem to know how to turn our Christian values against us. Christian values should only apply to those who practice Christianity. All others should not be trusted. Just a thought.

  44. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    March 19, 2012 - 11:30 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco, Tom, Jason

    “Othello” is the usual work to which most high school teens were exposed with considerable emphasis in the county school system where I tutored English and taught as a substitute for more than nine years after retiring from my engineering career. It also seemed that his 20th Sonnet, with its homosexual implications, was more often than not singled out from his more than 150 others for analysis and discussion.

  45. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    March 20, 2012 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    LoL @ The thought that modern schoolchildren are reading Dante’s Inferno. These are kids who actually use numbers in sentences and abbreviate three letter words. Do you really think they’re going to sit down and invest even a minute in some serious reading like Dante’s Inferno?

    These hyper-leftists have nothing to worry about. The average teenager today is wrapped up in a world of endless narcissism, constant ego petting, nonsensical consumerism, fashion fetishism, and self absorption. I don’t think kids today read ANY books at all, nevermind something challenging like Dante.

  46. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    @arthurdecco:

    “How come every Jew is a Shakespeare expert? ”

    Good question.

    Anyone?…?

    That’s easy …
    Because they feel that it is important to understand the best of their enemy well so that they will be efficient at undermining their enemy as a whole.
    It’s a classic.

    Whites would do well to understand their enemy, but most of them are more interested in what’s on tv .

  47. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 20, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    It also seemed that his 20th Sonnet, with its homosexual implications, was more often than not singled out from his more than 150 others for analysis and discussion.

    That is not one bit surprising.

  48. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 20, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    “…of how lucky they are every day.”

    I came across a quote by Napoleon B. recently that I found especially compelling coming from a personage of such complexity and enormous historic moment: “Do you know what is harder to bear than the reversal of fortune? It is the baseness, the hideous ungratefulness of man.”
    The enormity and grotesqueness of non-White ingratitude toward European and European-derived nations ought to deeply darken the disposition of the much larger part of Whites world-wide (one cannot hope effectively all would ever come to their senses) toward them. And yet the mills of the gods continue to grind slowly and very fine. That Whites should suffer all the galling abuse heaped upon them particularly over the past half century and yet continue to go off into that good night is inexpressibly infuriating. Indeed, they have given away their patrimony, including their sublime and coveted nations and all that might have been through their unparalleled genius to the base and ungrateful. To think of it is to weep. To contemplate it is to mourn -”There is no greater sorrow on earth, than the loss of one’s native land” – Euripides.

  49. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    March 20, 2012 - 1:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I would suggest that the creativity and character of the Chinese people became reduced after the invasion of the Mongols and the subsequent inter-breeding that took place. What else could explain the reduction in quality of the “Chinese” (ie, now semi-Mongol) people? And where else do we see this kind of thing happening?

  50. monte's Gravatar monte
    March 20, 2012 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    Small fry, as the Lancashire Lad put it very well. That said, the Italians would rather stop eating Canneloni than listen to some silly Zionist bum who wants to fiddle with their (our) Commedia Divina.

  51. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    March 20, 2012 - 2:20 am | Permalink

    Gherush looks to be a hobby of a singular Jew and is why his organization is non-existent. And also it looks that he’s gotten zero traction, which is a good thing.

    There are bigger fish to fry than this nasty little money worshiper.

  52. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 20, 2012 - 4:16 am | Permalink

    Today I am in a “commentarian mood”, so besides my own comment at March 19, 2012-9.44 pm, I will now offer some comments-on-comments. Here we go :

    @ Miriam K. (March 19, 2012-8:04 pm) : OK, “Miriam”, you already disclosed in the past that you are not really a Jew and that your comments are meant as satire. This in order to highlight the obnoxiousness of the Jewish mentality. I must say that today you were successful : I was highly annoyed.

    @ Ritchard ( March 19, 2012-11:17 pm) :

    Other races seem to know how to turn Christian values against us. Christian values should only apply to those who practice Christianity.

    Your basic mistake is that you equate “Christian” with “European”. That is not true and in the near future will be even less true. Within this century the absolute majority of Christians will be non-European. Think Latin America, think Black Africa. Will you be so “Christian” to welcome the teeming millions of your “fellow-Christians” from the Third World into your homeland?

    @ John Hearns (March 19, 2012-9:54 pm) :

    There will come a time when the holyhoax will be commonly known to be the swindle that it is.

    I am afraid not. That presupposes qualities in the masses that they simply don’t have : historical curiosity and critical thinking. The masses simply believe what they are taught to believe, and as long as the media and education are controlled by the usual suspects they will believe in the Holocaust. The holocaust-as-a-weapon however will lose its effectiveness simply due to the wear and tear of time. It is “too long ago” or “many other awful things happened since” to be of further interest. This is already happening today.

    @ John Hearns (March 19, 2012-12:32 am) :

    Whites would do well to understand their enemy, but most of them are more interested in what is on tv.

    The TV is their enemy.

    @ Barking Mad (March 20, 2012-1:20 am) :

    I would suggest that the creativity and character of the Chinese people became reduced after the invasion of the Mongols and the subsequent interbreeding that took place

    The number of Mongols that took part in this invasion was insignificant in comparison with the teeming millions of the autochtonous Chinese. Besides, the “racial differences” between Mongols and Chinese are not greater than say between Spanjards and Italians. We have to ascribe the stagnation of Chinese culture to cultural and not racial dynamics.

  53. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 6:06 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    @ Miriam K. (March 19, 2012-8:04 pm) : OK, “Miriam”, you already disclosed in the past that you are not really a Jew and that your comments are meant as satire. This in order to highlight the obnoxiousness of the Jewish mentality. I must say that today you were successful : I was highly annoyed.

    Mr Ryckaert,

    With all due respect, you are absolutely wrong about my “satirical” intentions. At no time would I attempt to use satire on this site. This is a serious site and “satire” would be counterproductive here. It wouldn’t work.

    No sir, I am a serious person and I must add that I am deeply offended that you should refer to me so condescendingly as a “Jew”. As you well know, this is a term of abuse, like “Nazi” — and almost on a par with “kike” and “yid”.

    My intentions in the past were misconstrued and I was dismissed as a “satirical” writer. This was a cheap, anti-Semitic ploy designed to humiliate me and sideline everything I had to say when I was speaking in dead earnest.

    The fact is, you White Nationalists are on the wrong path. You will never make any headway as long as you don’t face up to unpalatable truth that the Jewish people (of whom I am an unworthy representative) have now replaced the WASP elite as America’s ruling class.

    We’re here to stay, Mr Ryckaert, and let me assure you, we will have no mercy on you wretched goyim now that we’re in the driving seat.

    We will make sure that the best jobs in future go either to members of our own tribe or to blacks and Hispanics of inferior IQ. In fact, we will do our best to produce unemployment and hardship among the White masses.

    Already you will find that Jewish women like myself are being put in charge of important departments in the corporate and educational sectors, with non-Jewish underlings forced to do our bidding and endure the daily humiliations we design for them.

    This is as it should be.

    In a sense, you could say, we Jewish women now crack the whip over the head of the lumpengoyim and play the role of dominatrices to the trashy White male masses. How they hate us and love us at the same time, relishing the bittersweet humiliations we design for them. Ah, it’s truly intoxicating to be Jewish in the 21st century!

    Reflect on what I say, Mr Ryckaert, and do not try and humiliate me again by calling me “satirical”. I have no possible motive for coming on this site and wasting everyone’s time, including my own, by pretending to be Jewish when I actually AM Jewish.

    If you wish to know the truth, I was assigned to the Occidental Observer by a major Jewish organization. I am here to monitor anti-Semitism and report back to my superiors. So be careful what you say.

    Miriam K
    (Interrogation specialist and honorary member of B’nai B’rith)

  54. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    March 20, 2012 - 7:21 am | Permalink

    “The classic work should be removed from school curricula, according to Gherush 92, a human rights organisation which acts as a consultant to UN bodies on racism and discrimination.”

    “UN bodies on racism and discrimination”!!!

    Just one more proof that the UN is one of our biggest enemies.
    This is one of the reasons why I support Ron Paul.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkcaQiBBX8

  55. me's Gravatar me
    March 20, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Will you be so “Christian” to welcome the teeming millions of your “fellow-Christians” from the Third World into your homeland?

    I don’t know why we always have to go in circles about this. nationalism – was never incompatible with Christianity. Open borders/ multiculural utopias are a product of marxism and secular humanism.

  56. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 20, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    @me:
    I agree, but nowadays we don’t have a national Christianity, we have a judaized and marxized Christianity, and its influence is everywhere.

  57. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 10:16 am | Permalink

    @Kullervo:
    Of course young people are not lining up to read Dante. Most young people in any age lack the life experience to genuinely appreciate most great books.The goal is cultural preservation and defense of our common heritage. Introduce young people to great books, make it absolutely clear that this book has something of real and lasting value, beautifully expressed. The hope is that they may return to the masters in latter life. It would behoove us all to learn what a brilliant man made of the human struggle with evil throughout the ages.

  58. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 10:29 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    Miriam K
    (Interrogation specialist and honorary member of B’nai B’rith)

    lolll Somebody is playing an amusing little game of psy ops.

    Were you one of the original writers of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? The writing style is very similar to it.

  59. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 20, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    FTA: “Here is what I think: those who have come to live in Europe and whose ancestors are not from Europe should be required to study the European classics, unfiltered, uncensored, and without instructors having any regard for their charges’ race, nationality, or religious persuasion.”

    In the interest of expanding knowledge and education Europeans and other Westerners should also read the “holy” books of Judaism. Most would be shocked at the naked bigotry and racism.

  60. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 20, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    Though I’ve intended to read The Divine Comedy for a long time, I haven’t yet gotten around to it. I will now have to rush out and buy a copy, bi-lingual, of course.

  61. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 20, 2012 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    @protorenaissance:

    You win! You got it figured out. LOL.

    Or, how about the US Constitution, with a forward by Shlomo I. Shittovitz. I’ve seen that a number of times too.

  62. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 20, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K: Even your defense against the charge of writing satire is sparkling with satire.

    Thanks so much. I am still in stitches.

  63. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 20, 2012 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:
    I call your answer satire raised to a square.

  64. March 20, 2012 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    “I hope they actually keep this up. One of the chief arguments by these White-haters is that only uneducated white trash are “racist” and “hateful.”

    I often wonder at the contradiction: racists are ignorant crackers in trailer parks, but also apparently run, that is, dominate and exploit, the whole world!

    “By trying to ban people like Dante, Voltaire, Shakespeare, and others it’s going to become clearer and clearer that the best Europeans were very racially conscious and Jew-wise. They’ll make our arguments for us.”

    But probably also “for us” in the other sense; we’re the only ones who’ll notice, the rest are just sheep. See above; who ever notices the inconsistency?

    When Evola was on trial for “promoting the return of Fascism’ be pointed out that his ideas, rather than part of some specific ‘plot’, were simply those ‘commonly held by all educated people prior to the French Revolution.”

  65. March 20, 2012 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    “It represents Islam as a heresy and Mohammed as a schismatic …, Miss Sereni told the Adnkronos news agency.

    Obviously Miss S. doesn’t know what the word ‘schismatic ‘ means.

    “The Prophet Mohammed was subjected to a horrific punishment – his body was split from end to end so that his entrails dangled out, an image that offends Islamic culture,” she said.”

    Umm, ever read the Talmudic account of Jesus, aka Yeshua bar Pantera?

  66. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 20, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @James O’Meara:

    Precisely why more of us goyim should read their “holy” books.

  67. March 20, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    This is exactly why “these people” should all be shipped home, and that “multiculturalism” despite the Liberal lie/fantasy of Kumbaya, really means the death of [White] culture.

    The fantasy/lie that everyone gets along, and in fact is ‘enriched’ by ‘contact with other cultures.’

    The truth is that these cultures, to the extent that they are different, don’t get along, and can only ‘get along’ to the extent that each is modified, more or less drastically, to ‘fit it.’ There is no ‘multiculture’ only the Homogenous Liberal Pseudo-Culture.

    Of course, in practice, we don’t get event that [being a fantasy]. Some animals are more equal than others, and we know whose culture get most/all of the cuts…

  68. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 20, 2012 - 2:14 pm | Permalink

    @James O’Meara:

    “When Evola was on trial for “promoting the return of Fascism’ be pointed out that his ideas, rather than part of some specific ‘plot’, were simply those ‘commonly held by all educated people prior to the French Revolution.””

    That’s an awesome quote. Right now I’m just about finished with Ride the Tiger. It had a couple spectacular chapters on who the differentiated man is, but most of the book is simply social, political, and artistic criticism, not too far removed from Nietzsche. Is Revolt Against the Modern World his best work?

  69. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    It’s not going to be easy for me to post serious comments on this site if everything I write is going to be dismissed in advance as non-serious, i.e., “satirical”. This is grotesquely unfair.

    At least Jason Speaks and Someday are treated seriously, having achieved the enviable status of Zionist trolls masquerading as White Nationalists — or White Nationalists who hew so close to the Zionist line that they are, to all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from Zionist trolls.

    Yet here I am, a genuine Jewish female doing my best to put the Jewish viewpoint, and what do I get? Skepticism as to my Jewish origins. This is insupportable.

    I shall have to report back to my superiors that I have failed to terrorize the posters here, as was my orignal mandate. And I shall have to ask for reinforcements from Tel Aviv.

  70. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 20, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K: “respectable banking profession? Miriam, that’s like respectable used care salesman profession. You can’t possible be so naive as to believe that most people, in the entire world, think banking is respectable after what has happened in the last twenty or so years. (80′s savings and loan crisis, 2000′s Wall Street scams,etc.)

  71. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    If it’s any consolation, I believe you. With your very first post I did a double-take like in the cartoons, and looked forward with glee to severe denouncements by the commentators here…but none came…none dared call it conspiracy :( Care for an onion roll?

  72. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 20, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:
    Miriam!!!! I missed you!!! You’re back! YAY!

  73. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 20, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @James O’Meara:

    Contact with other cultures and races is indeed enriching, being compelled to live permanenantly in the same nation with large numbers is however where the disaster and mess begins.

  74. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 20, 2012 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Miriam – I have longed to read your posts. I have longed for you. I’ve been pining for you, my Heart’s Darling.

    Where can I send 3 dozen of the reddest of red roses, a case of Veuve Clicquot, and a 5 lb heart-shaped box of Perugina chocolates?

    Luv U 4 Ever.

  75. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    @Ciaran:

    Where can I send 3 dozen of the reddest of red roses, a case of Veuve Clicquot, and a 5 lb heart-shaped box of Perugina chocolates?

    Can I get in on this? I love a good chocolate. Send all to Rachel, Nevada % General Delivery, off of Nevada State Route 375.

  76. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    March 20, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    History, as everyone knows, tends to repeat itself. You know very well over the past two thousand years your ancestors were forcibly expelled from each and every single place they once called home. Always for their behavior, every people among whom they settled eventually showed them the door, not a single exception. From Portugal to Ukraine, from England and France, consigned to the ‘Pale’ by Catherine the Great of Russia, murdered by the thousands in the Ukrainian Chmielnicki massacres during the 17th century, to your most recent eviction (and other unpleasantness) by Hitler’s Germany.

    For over 2000 years no other tribe in the human family of tribes has been so universally despised as your ‘chosen people’. Gaze deeply into your crystal ball and ask yourself this: Do you really think there is even one tiny reason to suppose 200 Million angry Whites in America will not eventually do what angry Whites have always done before, throughout history?

    Enjoy your ascendancy while it lasts.

  77. Mandela's Gravatar Mandela
    March 20, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    If anyone has a bit of time to save the White race pop over and join us at Bobs Seminary, http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/
    click on ‘Are you new to BUGs’ and away you go

  78. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 20, 2012 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Slightly off topic, but Netanyahu is being criticized for overplaying the holocaust card. This must be a first. Are they finally getting the message?

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/b1a4609c-72ac-11e1-9be9-00144feab49a.html#axzz1phT6eAma

  79. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 20, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, just read what what MacDonald says in his paper “Understanding Jewish Influence”. This is a lot more sophisticated than anything Rense or Alex Jones came up with.

    http://ia600200.us.archive.org/20/items/UnderstandingJewishInfluence/UnderstandingJewInfluence.pdf

  80. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 20, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    You bet! Chocolate aka Manna from Heaven.

  81. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 20, 2012 - 8:13 pm | Permalink

    @Floda:

    You’ve been pranked.

    You’ve haven’t read enough posts from the Sublime “Miriam”. I once posted my idea of who I think Miriam really is – and then, Miriam vanished for a long time.

    I don’t know if was really due to my inklings, but I’ll never make that mistake again.

  82. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    If Dr. MacDonald would make “Understanding Jewish Influence” the article of the week (like all the other articles), I’ll read it. But I don’t like digging in archives, and I don’t like the feeling that I’m the only one reading an article. I like company. The article sounds good, so I pray he will just repost it as an ‘article of the week’ kind of thing.

  83. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Oh never mind. Silly me. I see you attached it as a long pdf. I guess I can read it then.

  84. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 20, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    @me:
    Rabbi wrote ‘cross, swastika, it’s all the same’.
    can you cite source?

  85. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 9:47 pm | Permalink

    @Floda:

    You know very well over the past two thousand years your ancestors were forcibly expelled from each and every single place they once called home. Always for their behavior….Enjoy your ascendancy while it lasts.

    I am deeply troubled by the latent hostility I see lurking in this superficially accurate comment. It’s true we Jews have been scapegoated throughout history, driven from pillar to post through no fault of our own. Our behavior however, as far as I can see, has always been beyond reproach, though I note with a wistful sadness that we have been driven from no fewer than 109 countries since AD250.

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    Whenever I wish to be reminded of the persecutions endured by my people, I click on that link above and rehearse in my mind’s eye all the humiliations of Jewish history, culminating in the tragic events of the mid-twentieth century which resulted in the extermination of one-third of my race.

    Surprising to think that we who had sunk so low in the scales of history have now risen up again so high.

    As Shakespeare said, “The worst returns to laughter.” For every Down has its corresponding Up.

    Floda, I will pray for you. There is a cure for anti-Semitism. It is to meet and marry a good Jew.

    As it happens, I am myself available right now and in search of my soulmate.

  86. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 20, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Then theyare DREAMING!
    Go to Youtube, see the ‘Behead Non Believers’ signs held by muslims in UK.

  87. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 20, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    @Felix:
    I went to Brooklyn College [as did allan dershowitz]
    I can tell ya Ms Miriam, you a real jewish Princess!

    I recall a dreadful anti white joo I had as a Professor there, one estelle rathbun!
    Are you she, Ms Miriam?

  88. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    I will not say there are no grounds whatsoever for anti-Semitism. Israel’s first president, Chaim Weizmann, wrote in his memoirs:

    Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them. [This] reaction…cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that word; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off. — Chaim Weizmann, Trial and Error (1949). Quoted in Albert S. Lindemann’s The Jew Accused, 1991 (p. 277).

    Herzl himself had made the same point much earlier. Anti-Semitism, he wrote, is “an understandable reaction to Jewish defects.” And in his diary he added: “I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights.”

    Here we have two obvious examples of self-haters, Chaim Weizmann and Herzl, adding fuel to the fires of anti-Semitism by foolishly admitting that the goyim had every right to hate Jews.

    The goyim have no such right. After the Holocaust, there can only be love. “Love for every Jew in the world.” my rabbi once told me, “must be universal and obligatory.”

  89. me's Gravatar me
    March 20, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @90404: see the tebow post on this site.

  90. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 20, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco:
    Because the read The Merchant of Venom

  91. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    March 20, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    @Ciaran: Ooops! You’re right! I read Miriam’s artful chutzpah too quickly, distracted was I by my 7 year old blue eyed and angelically beautiful grand daughter. Now Miriam has offered me ‘her’ hand in matrimony!

  92. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 20, 2012 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K Q & A Hour:

    This question may seem a bit ‘New Agey’. Many alternative researchers have re-examined the ancient myths from many civilizations that all contain the motif that “The gods came down and taught us” and that they promise to return. Many are looking towards on or about the date 12/21/2012, when, according to the ancient Mayan peoples, the Sun aligns with the Sun aligns with the galactic center of the Milky Way, opening a gateway for the return of the ancient aliens (our creators). If the Mayans are correct and the ancient gods do return — will they turn out to be Jews in disguise? The thinking in certain quarters is that such a return will be a deception.

    Do the Jews have something up their sleeve here, especially considering the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, describing the difference between Jews
    and non-Jews. The return of the ancient aliens, our creators, will be the perfect foil to truly take over the world if they turn out to be Jews:

    “We do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather we have
    a case of…a totally different species…. The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from
    the body of [members] of all nations of the world…. The difference of the inner quality [of the body]…is so
    great that the bodies would be considered as completely different species. This is the reason why the
    Talmud states that there is an halachic difference in attitude about the bodies of non-Jews [as opposed to
    the bodies of Jews]: “their bodies are in vain”…. An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul.
    Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish
    soul stems from holiness.”

  93. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 10:21 pm | Permalink

    @ Ciaran

    Dear Friend,

    It is indeed gratifying to hear from you again and to receive such honeyed words of praise from your lips. For this I thank you. Sincerely and humbly.

    I must remind you, however, that I am a Jew and you a gentile…and this must always remain a stumblingblock and a barrier to greater intimacy between us.

    The reason I say this is that I have taken note of your wee tendency to anti-Semitism, although it is admittedly tempered with much humor and wisdom in your case.

    I adore your wit and exuberance, Ciaran. Accept my blessings.

    Miriam K
    (Humble seeker for certitude)

  94. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    I recall a dreadful anti white joo I had as a Professor there, one estelle rathbun! Are you she, Ms Miriam?

    I’m afraid not, Felix. What did you study at Brooklyn College? And what did you think of Dershowitz? I can never get over the fact that it was Dershovitz who suggested that “terrorist” suspects should be interrogated by thrusting needles under their fingernails.

  95. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 20, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    @ Felix

    Oooops, sorry Felix, I got you mixed up with 90404!
    (Apologies also to 90404!)

  96. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 21, 2012 - 1:25 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    “Whenever I wish to be reminded of the persecutions endured by my people, I click on that link above and rehearse in my mind’s eye all the humiliations of Jewish history, culminating in the tragic events of the mid-twentieth century which resulted in the extermination of one-third of my race.”

    Look, the fact is you’re non-Whites in White countries. You came to Europe bringing with you the ideas, values and the cultural forms of the Orient, so naturally there were hostile responses to this.

    There’s a wonderful thing we invented call empiricism. What you do is take facts and use them to come to objective conclusions, without any pre-conceived notions. If your tribe ever gets around to using this invaluable intellectual tool then you can very easily find the solution to your problems: stay out of Europe and the nations that Europeans built.

    I’m not trying to be condescending; it’s just that your tribe is inherently fanatical and refuses to look at itself objectively and dispassionately. As long as this remains so, you’re going to incapable of mending your ways.

  97. protorenaissance's Gravatar protorenaissance
    March 21, 2012 - 1:46 am | Permalink

    @fender: Succinct,irrefutable facts.I read your posting directed to “Miriam” with satisfaction.Would you agree,Fender that actually we do not really hope for their reform and even if such utterly unlikely total refashioning of their racial character were to come about-we still do not want them? For two millenia or longer they insist on sitting on us like incubus .Leave us alone,I’d say! Reformed or not- take your bagel somewhere else.

  98. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 21, 2012 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:
    Mazel Tov
    And no apology needed or accepted!
    I had the good fortune to run into Mel Gibson today.
    [seriously] The man is doing well despite the blacklist.

    In College I studied many things but sadly I was a young man
    who was a jack of all trades, master of none.
    I did avoid the Jews for Jesus there as well as the Orthodox recruiters.

    I always thought Mazel Tov meant “congratulations.” I recently heard that it actually means “good luck.” But I thought Jews don’t believe in luck.
    Darling Please clarify.

  99. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 21, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    Everyone, Should Miriam apply for a job at Antioch College?
    There are 2 branches.
    The Ohio one has gone broke and decided to give 100? scholarships.
    The 2nd here in LA. I saw an ad recently for its Majors, Including ‘Liberal Studies’ and “GLBT Studies’.
    Seriously! 100,000$ to study the Chaz Bonos of this world!
    Uh Gavult!

  100. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    March 21, 2012 - 2:56 am | Permalink

    @fender: In view of Ciaran very kindly alerting me to the fact that I fell victim to Miriam’s subtle humour I feel obliged to alert you to the fact ‘she’ seems to have tricked you as well.

  101. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    March 21, 2012 - 3:22 am | Permalink

    Jews have us involved in a phony race war as if racial prejudice is rampant in white people and that “race” is the most virulent issue of all issues. The truth is – Jews made it up! It’s a hoax. We have not started a race war. Western people have never launched a war with other races on the basis of their race. Jews screech and wail as if we are the epitome of hate breathing racists or anti Semites when nothing is further from the truth. Westerners have done more for the benefit of other races (Jews in particular) than all of them combined. White people would never initiate a war based on anything as senseless as race or ethnicity. If our situation were not so precarious such preposterous allegations would be laughable.

    Our position is pretty simple – leave us alone. This has absolutely nothing to do with racial bigotry or prejudice. Jews are the ones who have a problem with that. They don’t want to leave us alone. Not only do they want to live among us side by side they want us involved in their mechanisms. Jews want us mired in a labyrinth of non-existent red button issues in order to take advantage of us. While we struggle with the maze of manufactured problems they swindle us in the ground.

    White people cannot fight a war that is non existent from our side. How can we stop a conflict we never launched? For that matter non-white races are not at war with us over our racist attitude. They fight us, but not for their right to exist. We feel they have the right to exist. They fight and squabble with us for the material advantages they want from white culture. Succinctly put, they want what we have. And they will kill us to get it.

    Christ said “what does a thief do but come to kill?”

    Our existence is at stake. While Jews piddle and prattle about our racism or white supremacy or homophobia, or anti-Semitism they steal what belongs to us, gorge on our wealth and the fruits of our labor and systematically seek to exterminate us as a culture and civilization. Their arsenal is the ruthless promotion of “diversity” which they wrap in bright colored ribbons as a “moral imperative.” (As if Jews have the right to make our decision for us or concerning us.)

    The over-riding issue with us is survival . There are other things that are important, but the crucial issue is the life and death struggle for survival. It’s a shame we have allowed it to come to this.

    We were not give a level playing field. Those who talk about “fairness” the most are not fair at all. It’s not we who jeopardize the existence of others. Our existence is the one at stake. Survival is a whole different ball game than what other groups are concerned with. Survival is spiritual – above and beyond material matters. To resist is spiritual. Our resistance, what little we have seen, is a spiritual resistance. Organic. It comes from within. The rising up of the Tea Party was organic, unplanned. The young white fellows who support Ron Paul have an instinct for self preservation. They want a better life than what we are facing. They resist being at the lethal disposal of alien groups. It’s organic, spiritual.

    There is hope.

  102. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 21, 2012 - 5:44 am | Permalink

    The undercurrent that is beneath hostility of non-Jews toward Hashem’s little helpers (always for their own benefit) is the trivial envy of the ever-present Judaic brilliance in every field and endeavor.
    Jews actually argue that point with a perfectly straight face !
    Tribe whose ‘pious’ members honor the desert customs of their ancestors by keeping kosher which entails – among various things – consuming sizable quantities of laks (read: cured salmon), cukes in brine, pickled beets, borsht, Gefilte fish, and similar “staples” of pre-Roman Palestine. LMAO !

  103. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 21, 2012 - 6:04 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    “…to cultural and not racial reasons…”

    What does this mean? You cannot separate the two. One is part and parcel of the other. Culture is the direct expression of the content residing within the psychical being – the person together with his people. This obviously is determined by his racial character most fundamentally of all.

  104. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 21, 2012 - 6:09 am | Permalink

    @Floda:

    Tsk tsk, dear Floda, how can you say such a thing? I am a serious writer trying to put the Jewish viewpoint. True, I used to indulge in humor and “satire” in the old days, pretending to be a goy pretending to be a Jew, but I’ve turned over a new leaf recently. I have decided to renounce humor for the higher seriousness.

  105. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 21, 2012 - 6:27 am | Permalink

    @90404:

    Many thanks for these interesting observations. Allow me to add a few thoughts of my own.

    Jewish power stems entirely from four factors: immense Jewish wealth, control of mass media, remarkable networking between powerful Jewish organizations, possession of a military state (Israel) offering a place of refuge to Jewish criminals and a potential for nuclear blackmail.

    The only way to break up Jewish power with any finality is to dismantle the above four factors by:

    (a) confiscation of ill-gotten Jewish wealth,
    (b) repossesion of mass media,
    (c) criminalization of Jewish organizations,
    (d) abolition of the state of Israel.

    Unless this is done, there is no hope for the goyim.

    As a Jew, I ought not to be saying these things, but I am. I am simply trying to be honest.

  106. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 21, 2012 - 7:37 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    You are talking about what would be needed for the destruction of the Jewish people, but that isn’t what is necessary, or desirable. The Jewish People are productive…there’s every reason to think they’ll oneday live side by side with the White – also productive – peoples.

    Their power in the West will have to broken up – this much is true. Also their tactics – which basically don’t seem to have changed much over the centuries – will have to be rendered obsolete

    From where we stand here, one might thing it an impossible or near-impossible task. But the road is long and there are many surprises ahead – for everyone.

  107. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 21, 2012 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:
    Miriam, you are a Goy prtending to be a Jew pretending to be a Goy pretending to be a Jew. Understood? Now be your real self for a change.

  108. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 21, 2012 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    @me:

    Another thing with Christian Zionists – many of them are good Scots-Irish people throughout the South. Wonderful people but a bit stubborn once they’ve taken a position. There was some old prayer they used to say in self-mockery that went kind of like this:

    “Lord, grant me the gift of being right, because you know once I’ve taken a position, I can’t change it!”

    Truth in that. That’s why I suspect it is most effective not to call them names or anything like that, just point out how their goodwill has been abused.

  109. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 21, 2012 - 8:30 am | Permalink

    @HarryO:
    You say that culture is the expression of the character of a race. By and large that is true. Even in the case of cultural borrowng, the borrowed part will be adapted untill it suits the racial character (see for example how Africans express their “Christianity”). When the racial character changes due to admixture then the cuture will also change. But when the culture changes, stagnates or degenerates while the race remains the same how can you ascribe that to a racial cause? That is why I talked about cultural dynamics. I was thinking more in Spenglerian terms, the cyclus of cultural flowering and decay. This all can happen within the same race. Since the Chinese didn’t mix, this must be the right explanation.

  110. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 21, 2012 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    The frequency of certain genes may vary over time, even though the race remains the same in most respect. Races may become more or less tame over the centuries, or exhibit more or less IQ based on who gets to breed more – the smarties or the dummies. At least, this is one possible reason why a civilization could fall even though the same race stayed in place. High civilization tends to let a lot of defective people live and reproduce, that couldn’t under harsher conditions.

  111. me's Gravatar me
    March 21, 2012 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    , a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish
    soul stems from holiness.”

    one wonders how they could behave as they do and still believe this. And not to be snarky but… how could they even look at their general physical characteristics and believe this?

  112. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 21, 2012 - 10:29 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    All right, but then it still would be an infra-racial phenomenon and not an inter-racial phenomenon, as was (wrongly) suggested.

    There is indeed such a thing as dysgenic procreation. See for example the dwindling birthrate of Rome’s patricians compared to that of its plebeians at the time of its decline.

  113. omop's Gravatar omop
    March 21, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    Is it satire chutzpah or chutzpah satire? even Miriam is mentioned!

    Its been written….Always pertinent to recall what “a special people” consider the distinct differences between them and “other different people”.

    “JEWISH SUPREMACY”
    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

    * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    * “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS
    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

  114. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 21, 2012 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

    @90404: No, Miriam K’s a satirist. She has to be. Otherwise, she’s become a self-parody, someone so ludicrously absurd when they speak in their defense they damage themselves more than the prosecution ever could.

    She’s the funniest thing this side of the Catskills.

  115. March 21, 2012 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Have they got anything to say about the ‘hate speech’ in the Talmud? Or is ‘that different’?

  116. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    March 21, 2012 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: The Chinese didn’t mix? Are you serious?

  117. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 21, 2012 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

    @Floda:

    “Miriam”s simply trying to inflame my adoration by tryng to make me jealous. No matter. “Miriam” is MINE.

  118. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    March 21, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: “Miriam” is our very good friend. My dream is to meet “Miriam” one day….

  119. March 21, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Well I’m glad to have secured an uncensored Dante compendium! Perhaps this will come to my homeland someday.

    Does anybody remember Spengler? Islam and the jews are brothers. Both part of the Magian bio-cultural entity. Crusaders slew both in Jerusalem. Both cooperated against Spanish Catholics prior to the Reconquista.

  120. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    March 21, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Miriam, you are a Goy prtending to be a Jew pretending to be a Goy pretending to be a Jew. Understood? Now be your real self for a change

    If you don’t like Miriam, by all means tell her to leave. I’m sure she will leave if you ask her nicely. What’s wrong with THIS post? Not serious enough for you?

    @Miriam K:

  121. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    March 21, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    @ Ciaran

    Ciaran,

    Your name is Irish, unisex, and means “little dark one.” I’d be interested to know if you are male or female. Hope you don’t mind me asking…?

  122. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 21, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Have they got anything to say about the ‘hate speech’ in the Talmud? Or is ‘that different’?

    The talmud is hate speech.

  123. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 21, 2012 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    anyone is free to speak in any manner they like and hate is a subjective word , but I am also free to say that if you hate my people then get the f’ away from me .

  124. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    March 21, 2012 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    @Ciaran: You are of course welcome to the nubile Jewish princess Miriam my friend. A word of caution however: If after your union she convinces you to convert, ensure that your pre-nuptial agreement makes it perfectly clear you don’t have to have ‘the operation’. Especially if performed the ‘traditional’ way, that is orally, by a grinning old Rabbi.

  125. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 21, 2012 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Look, the fact is you’re non-Whites in White countries. You came to Europe bringing with you the ideas, values and the cultural forms of the Orient, so naturally there were hostile responses to this.

    I would question this nonsense that we Ashkenazi Jews are “non-White”. You talk of “empiricism” later on in your post, but your comment would fail a basic empirical test: if you took five White Euro-Americans and stood them in a lineup with five “NON-WHITE” Ashkenazi Jew, would you pass the basic test of being able to pick out the five Whites? No, you would fail! Because the five Ashkenazi “non-Whites” are absolutely indistinguishable from the five “genuine” Whites.

    You can try and wiggle out of this by casuistic arguments if you wish, but sorry, you fail the empirical test — because you fail to determine which five are WHITES and which five are NON-WHITES.

    As for myself, I am hardly “Asiatic” as you imply, though I do have delicately sculpted high cheek bones with slanty jade green eyes set in a lightly tanned white face. Russian maybe, but hardly “Asiatic”.

    I’m not trying to be condescending; it’s just that your tribe is inherently fanatical and refuses to look at itself objectively and dispassionately. As long as this remains so, you’re going to incapable of mending your ways.

    Your logic is at fault here, dear Fender. For if we are INHERENTLY fanatical, how can you expect us at the same time to behave “objectively and dispassionately”?

    This is like asking a mad person to behave sanely or a wicked person to behave virtuously.

    It’s true that I have a tendency to wickedness, but I am trying very hard to mend my ways. So far I have been successful at least 50 percent of the time. Which is not at all bad, considering my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures.

    • March 21, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

      Whatever the population genetics or physical appearances, the great majority of American Jews do not self-identity as White. They don’t have a sense of being a part of White America or identify with its history or culture.

  126. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    March 21, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    If Jews were white they would be knocking themselves out defending the white race and culture instead of working against us.

  127. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 22, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    Is that why they love ‘hate crimes’ legislation?
    To point the finger of guilt elsewhere?
    Deshowitz was just writing about anti-semitism somewhere,
    But I guess thats his fav subject.

  128. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 22, 2012 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:
    Please Ms Miriam, If you want respect, PERFECT Spelling
    [ah Tori spelling, shes a doll] :

    ‘repossession’

  129. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 22, 2012 - 2:02 am | Permalink

    @90404:

    I think that they don’t see the contradiction or that they do see it and they feel that deception is a good thing.
    I guess that is what comes from being a part of a people that self describes as being ‘god’s chosen’.
    It’s basically histories greatest craziness.

  130. Commenter's Gravatar Commenter
    March 22, 2012 - 2:27 am | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    @ Kevin MacDonald:

    Remarkable back and forth on Black History Month between Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace, wherein Wallace denies being white: “I’m Jewish.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1131418n

  131. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    March 22, 2012 - 12:24 pm | Permalink

    @Commenter: Mike Wallace is Jewish? Why do these people feel the need to masquerade? I wish I’d knownabout Wallace years ago. It would have helped me to put his opinions and commentaries into proper perspective.

    I’m glad to know if a talking head or pundit is Jewish. Then I know to take what he says with a huge grain of salt.

  132. omop's Gravatar omop
    March 22, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Get ur bagel here…..

    “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

    Dat Mel Gibson is such a joker hey.

  133. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 22, 2012 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    “I would question this nonsense that we Ashkenazi Jews are “non-White”. You talk of “empiricism” later on in your post, but your comment would fail a basic empirical test: if you took five White Euro-Americans and stood them in a lineup with five “NON-WHITE” Ashkenazi Jew, would you pass the basic test of being able to pick out the five Whites? No, you would fail! Because the five Ashkenazi “non-Whites” are absolutely indistinguishable from the five “genuine” Whites.

    This test would only be empirical if it was actually, you know, a real test and not a hypothetical thought experiment. Anyway, seeing as how I live in the NY metropolitan area, I do believe I can tell Jews from Europeans. Both are quite numerous here…though lately it seems the numbers of both have been decreasing, with more and more Zulus, Saracens, and other rejects from Xerxes’ army wandering around.

    “As for myself, I am hardly “Asiatic” as you imply, though I do have delicately sculpted high cheek bones with slanty jade green eyes set in a lightly tanned white face. ”

    So you look like Lenin? That’s nice.

    “Your logic is at fault here, dear Fender. For if we are INHERENTLY fanatical, how can you expect us at the same time to behave “objectively and dispassionately”?”

    The assessment was a collective racial one. Obviously individuals vary. For example I characterize the European race as inherently cowardly and gullible (Celine had a better term to describe Europeans: “butter-brains”). That doesn’t mean there aren’t any brave, high-minded Europeans. Or consider the quiet, meek, repressed Japanese, then just take a look at Mishima. Races have characteristics just as individuals do.

    “It’s true that I have a tendency to wickedness, but I am trying very hard to mend my ways. So far I have been successful at least 50 percent of the time. Which is not at all bad, considering my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures. ”

    Yes, very good. You and Lasha Darkmoon should start a blog.

  134. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    March 22, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    “It’s true that I have a tendency to wickedness, but I am trying very hard to mend my ways. So far I have been successful at least 50 percent of the time. Which is not at all bad, considering my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures.”

    — “Yes, very good. You and Lasha Darkmoon should start a blog”

    I am afraid you have misconstrued the entire situation and got the wrong end of the stick. For two reasons:

    (1) You have failed to understand, like Franklin Ryckaert, Ciaran, Floda, Felix, 90404, myself, and a number of other more perceptive posters, than Miriam K is a satirical prankster and is simply pulling your leg.

    You are so lacking in irony-detection and a sense of humor that you have actually worked yourself into a rage at Miriam K’s tongue-in-cheek remark: “my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures.”

    This is meant to evoke a smile, Fender, not a tantrum of rage.

    (2) Secondly, your reaction to Miriam K’s comment “my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures” is to take a swipe at Lasha Darkmoon: “You and Lasha Darkmoon should start a blog.”

    You are therefore suggesting, without the need to back up your defamatory statement with any proof, that Lasha Darkmoon has “an appetite for sinful pleasures”, i.e., that she is sexually depraved.

    In this you show your profound ignorance of Lasha Darkmoon’s previous work. For If you had taken the trouble to actually read Sex and the Jews and Sex Plague, you would have seen for yourself that Darkmoon is puritanical about sex to an almost nunnish degree.

    Far from having a taste for sexual depravity, as you foolishly suggest, Darkmoon in fact exhibits in both these essays the very opposite characteristic: a horror of sexual depravity.

    Exhibit 1:

    Depravity appears to have no limits, as those who have surfed the internet have often discovered to their cost. The most appalling sexual addictions now render even children helpless. Many a marriage is blighted and ends in ruins amid these terrifying toxins.

    And yet, we are only at the beginning. We have many a slime-green step to go before we reach rock bottom. Abyss yawns below bottomless abyss, and even to peer into these black moral chasms is to make us giddy with vertigo.

    There is indeed no end to man’s depravity.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/10/sex-plague/

    Exhibit 2:

    Of one thing we can be reasonably certain: any society that attracts large numbers of Jews can expect within a few years to enter a spiral of decadence. Moral anarchy sets in. Sexual promiscuity throws open its Pandora’s box of evils. We saw it in Weimar Germany. We see it gathering pace in America today. We see it above all in Israel, a society of fanatical settlers and rabid right-wing rabbis: a country surely doomed to implode from within, sooner or later, under the pressure of its own moral and military excesses.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/08/darkmoon-jews-sex-letter/

    If you would like to repeat your defamatory allegation that Lasha Darkmoon is sexuallty depraved, now is your opportunity to do so.

  135. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 22, 2012 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    The blacks were marching around Manhattan wearing ‘hoodies’ in support of the black ‘youth’, Trayvon Martin, that was killed in Florida by a guy described as ‘white’ (regardless his own father said he is Latino), named George Zimmerman. There’s more to this story than meets the eye. A Latino can also be Jewish or half-Jewish.

    Would I be wrong in thinking ‘Zimmerman’ is a Jewish name?

    And Florida, where the incident happened, is where the Jews go to retire. Zimmerman was a civilian patrol officer patrolling a gated community, where I would expect the home or condo owners would probably be Jewish.

    The Jews identify themselves as whites when it’s convenient for them, and right now they are no where in sight over this Zimmerman case, where Whites are taking the blame. But if he’s Jewish, let that be gotten to the media and see what happens. Someone should look into who are the inhabitants of that gated community and what religion Zimmerman is.

    I heard on the news that in Florida they have the right to ‘stand down’, meaning if a person feels threatened by another in any way they have the right to shoot and kill. Zimmerman, in his confrontation with this Trayvon Martin, felt threatened, and shot and killed him, and this is why Zimmerman has not been arrested. But experience tells me if Zimmerman had a gentile name, he’d be behind bars this minute awaiting trial.

  136. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 22, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    @Winterlight:

    I’m fully aware that Miriam is trolling– that’s why I responded to her jokes with other jokes (comparing her looks to Lenin’s) and her more serious points with my serious points (about White and non-White identity).

    You misinterpreted my quip about Lasha Darkmoon. I’ve read her articles. The joke was that it’d be amusing having those two running a sex blog due to their completely divergent attitudes about it. Lame joke? Yeah, but whatever.

  137. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    March 23, 2012 - 4:37 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    You misinterpreted my quip about Lasha Darkmoon. I’ve read her articles. The joke was that it’d be amusing having those two running a sex blog due to their completely divergent attitudes about it. Lame joke? Yeah, but whatever.

    Fender,

    I ask you to forgive me for my stupidity. It’s I who have shown on this occasion a deplorable lack of common sense. I have reread your posts and confess with shame that I got you completely wrong. A thousand apologies.

  138. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 23, 2012 - 6:26 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    …seeing as how I live in the NY metropolitan area, I do believe I can tell Jews from Europeans. Both are quite numerous here…

    Fender,

    I agree absolutely with Kevin MacDonald when he says that most American Jews don’t think of themselves as White:

    Whatever the population genetics or physical appearances, the great majority of American Jews do not self-identity as White. They don’t have a sense of being a part of White America or identify with its history or culture

    Instances of this Jewish hostility toward White American culture, particularly its Christiam ethos, are too numerous to ignore. To take the two most notorious examples of this animosity toward Whites:

    SUSAN SONTAG: “The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, and Balanchine ballets don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history…”

    Even more aggressive in its tone toward White culture is this quote:

    “The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race… we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed, not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.” – Noel Ignatiev, former Harvard professor, current Professor of History at Massachusetts College of Art, founder of the Race Traitor journal

    Having said all this, however, I would I would prefer it if Ashkenazi Jews were referred to as quasi-Whites (= “as if” Whites) rather than NON-WHITES, given that they are indistinguishable from Whites if you examine the color of their skins.

    Just take a look at Israeli supermodel Bar Rafaeli and tell me if you think it makes sense to call her “non-White”. To me she looks positively ARYAN!!!

    http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2011-09/304328/3192167_640px.jpg?1317398982

  139. omop's Gravatar omop
    March 23, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink
  140. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 23, 2012 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

    @omop:

    While the phenomenon of lone Haredi men approaching female passengers is not new, and has in fact gone on for years, large groups of Haredim – upwards of 15-20 people in some instances – are reportedly attempting to secure blocs of seats for themselves. Their persistence is causing consternation and friction, while setting off a host of logistical problems during the course of some flights, according to a number of sources interviewed by Haaretz.

    “I was sitting in my window seat, which is my favorite, and a Hasidic man with a family or group asked me if I was willing to change seats so they can sit men-near-men, women-near-women,” recalls an El Al passenger who recently flew from Israel to New York, and who asked not to be identified because of her sensitive position in the tourism industry. “He offered me his place right behind where I was sitting, in the middle seat, but I told him ‘no.’”

    Scary. I don’t like these bearded fanatics one little bit. Uri Avenery wrote a revealing article about them. Here are some facts about them which you may not know:

    (1) These ultra-orthodox religious types are not expected to work but live a life of leisure which requires Israeli workers to support them with fantastically generous welfare payments.

    (2) They are legally entitled to spend all day poring over religious texts — Eternal Students on everlasting welfare benefits — whereas in fact they wander round quite a bit molesting Palestinians and making trouble for Jewish women who they they claim are “immodestly dressed”.

    (3) They have large families (8-12 children), all of whom are on generous child benefits and never do a day’s work in their lives.

    (4) They are exempt from military service and are a thorough nuisance even to the IDF. They go around with rifles, uprooting Palestinian olive trees and beating up and shooting the Palestinians. Nothing is ever done to bring these murderous parasites to heel.

    (5) In spite of their puritanical attitudes to women and sex, they are horny as hell and frequent the brothels of Tel Aviv with avid persistence. They demand special favors here from the (often abducted and underage) Moldavian and Ukranian girls who have been sucked into the maws of the White Slave traffic.

    I was once walking down a street in New York when one of these black-hatted reptiles snaked up to me and whispered, “Can I f*** you for $20?”

    PERPETUALLY unemployed in order that they might spend the entire day studying the Talmud and similar texts?

    (2) That they are not EXPECTED to work but that the rest of the Jewish community are forced to finance their leisure (or idleness if you prefer)

  141. Miriam K's Gravatar Miriam K
    March 23, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Oooops, sorry! The Comment is supposed to end with this paragraph:

    I was once walking down a street in New York when one of these black-hatted reptiles snaked up to me and whispered, “Can I f*** you for $20?”

  142. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 23, 2012 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    I don’t know if trolling is the right word. The information she provides is quite good, and can only be interpreted as pro-White.
    It’s possible she really is Jewish. A lot of Jewish folk also ‘wake up’ to the horror of what their people are trying to do, and feel very ashamed and and angry. Most likely this results in slightly erratic behaviour as they search for a rationalization that will allow them to justify the genocide and destruction of White peoples.
    Some, probably most, find the rationalization. A few don’t…and a few of them become outspoken. As we see around.

  143. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 23, 2012 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

    @Miriam K:

    “considering my intrinsically fallen nature and my appetite for sinful pleasures.”

    Don’t beat yourself up about it, most Jewish girls like a bit of pork on the side.

  144. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 1:18 am | Permalink

    I know NPR is very sick but this is like, UHVEY.
    They gave a loving nod to an Israeli [Orthodox, Of course]
    WHO HAS OVER 1000 DESCENDANTS.
    When they are not ‘Live from outside an abortuary’ they are live from Israel.

  145. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 24, 2012 - 1:26 am | Permalink

    @Commenter:
    Gawd, hes like 95 [I checked at Wiki].
    The Rainbow Coalition in Microcosm!

  146. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    March 24, 2012 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Judaism and Islam are sworn enemies and that will <b<never change.

    Muslims cannot and will not permit Jews to enjoy spiritual, religious and physical equality with them because they know fine well, it will result in the destruction of Islam and Muslims. The history of the beginnings of Mohammedism should make this fact crystal clear. Prior claims to a medieval golden era by Jews are lies as dhimitude does not qualify as equality, liberty and ethnic acceptance.

    Yes, they will both play at ‘dialogue’ and comradeship utilizing their respective ancient deception and concealment ploys providing only that their ploys are directed at primarily White Christian Gentile-founded Western civilisation and any other non-Jewish/non-Muslim culture that challenges them. Outside of that, all the most influencial and powerful sects of Islam are more than happy to engage in programmes of annihilation with Jewry and Israel.

    The trick for the Gentile world is to learn to stealthly manipulate the two belief systems against one another through the players themselves. Shiite Islam is the key.

    Sunni Wahhabism, a version of Sunni Islam that’s practiced by Saudi Arabia, by the way, is a Jewish creation although not all non-Saudi Sunni-controlled nations are hand-in-glove with Jews. Therefore, no wonder Saudi Arabia and her Arabian enclaves are in league with Western powers that are presently controlled by Jewry and by extension, Israel.

    Who is driving the so-called Arab Spring and Islamic regime change throughout the Middle East AND why?

    Attempts at the theft of natural resources is the chief objective, but not the one one by any means.

    It takes one to know one!

  147. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 24, 2012 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    @A Swain:

    The leaders of Arab nations are every bit as bought and paid for as Western leaders are. Why do you think they’re so wealthy and the people are so poor? The Arabs may not care for their Jewish cousins but their leaders are just as philosemitic as ours our.

  148. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    March 24, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Cultural decay within racially homogeneous nations is due to alien influences both willingly adopted and implanted via immigration that fragment, dilute and then go on to invariably replace original ancient political and religious belief systems altogether.

  149. A Swain's Gravatar A Swain
    March 24, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “The leaders of Arab nations are every bit as bought and paid for as Western leaders are. Why do you think they’re so wealthy and the people are so poor? “

    You appear to be missing my points.

    I am not discussing wealth and poverty nor who has bought and paid for whom, I am describing the state of ongoing alliances/power grabbing between nations.

    “The Arabs may not care for their Jewish cousins but their leaders are just as philosemitic as ours our. “

    Again, I’m alluding to national regimes and their power games/alliances, not the populace.

  150. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 26, 2012 - 12:25 am | Permalink

    At least the Wash Post is good for some things…aha
    THE NEW NAZIS, THE LEFT

    France’s Sarkozy announces plans to jail repeat visitors to extremist websites

    By Associated Press, Published: March 22

    PARIS — France’s president proposed a sweeping new law Thursday that would see repeat visitors to extremist web sites put behind bars — one of several tough measures floated in the wake of a murderous shooting spree.

    The proposed rules, unveiled by Nicolas Sarkozy after the death of an Islamist fanatic wanted for a horrifying series of execution-style murders, have alarmed journalists and legal experts, who say they risk pulling the plug on free expression.
    ( Jacques Brinon / Associated Press ) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy, right, shakes hands with supporters near his campaign party headquarters, Paris, Thursday, March 22, 2012. Sarkozy said Thursday an investigation was under way to see if the suspect in a series of radical Islam-inspired killings had any accomplices.
    ( Jacques Brinon / Associated Press ) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy, right, shakes hands with supporters near his campaign party headquarters, Paris, Thursday, March 22, 2012. Sarkozy said Thursday an investigation was under way to see if the suspect in a series of radical Islam-inspired killings had any accomplices.
    ( Jacques Brinon / Associated Press ) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy stands by soldiers carrying a coffin during a ceremony to pay homage to the three soldiers killed by a suspect an Interior Ministry official identified as Mohammad Merah, claiming al-Qaida links, and also suspected in the killings of three Jewish children and a rabbi, Wednesday, March 21, 2012 in Montauban, southwestern France. Soldliers were Imad Ibn-Ziaten, 30, a paratrooper in the 1st Airborne Transportation Regiment based in Toulouse, Abel Chennouf, 25, who served in the 17th paratrooper combat engineering regiment based in Montauban and Mohamed Legouade, 26, the second paratrooper killed in the same shooting.

    ( Jacques Brinon / Associated Press ) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy, right, shakes hands with supporters near his campaign party headquarters, Paris, Thursday, March 22, 2012. Sarkozy said Thursday an investigation was under way to see if the suspect in a series of radical Islam-inspired killings had any accomplices.

    Sarkozy, who is only a month away from an election, argued that it was time to treat those who browse extremist websites the same way as those who consume child pornography

  151. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 26, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    Sorry I did not know it would repeat like it did, feel free to edit

  152. March 27, 2012 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

    A recent study by the Center for American Progress (CAP) has revealed that seven US charitable organization have spent $42.6 million during 2001-2009 to spread hatred toward Islam and Muslims. And who lead this Crusade against Muslims? By far too many Israel-Firster Zionist Jews! For example, Daniel Pipes of Middle East Forum, David Horowitz of FrontPage magazine, Yerushalmi of Anti-Sharia compaign, Pamela Geller, a blogger and Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism who claims that Bush, Obama and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie are too soft on Muslims.

    The report has listed the following seven groups as the top contributors to the anti-Islam creeps.

    1. Donors Capital Fund, 2. Richard Mellon Scaife Foundations, 3. Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, 4. Newton & Rochelle F. Baker Foundation & Charitable Trust, 5. Russell Berrie Foundation, 6. Anchorage Charitable Funds and William Rosenwald Family Fund, 7. Fairbrook Foundation.

    Now compare this anti-Muslim charities with the 36 Muslim charities black-listed as ‘anti-Semitic’ by Israel and most of which have been closed-down in the US, Canada and many western countries and some of their Muslim client-states. They were not blamed for spreading hatred toward Christians, Jews or Hindus – but they were blamed for providing humanitarian aid to the Israeli victims.

    As expected, the guilty conscious Islamophobe Zionists slandered CAP by calling it a “Blood Libel“, a “pile of dung masquerading as research“, “Goebbels attacking the Jew”, which “reads more like a Mein Kampf treatise”, and a “stealth jihadists’ condemnation of blasphemers”, “a predictable misfired missile by Islamic supremacists and leftist useful idiots”.

    Pamela Geller claims that she has never received ‘even one dime’ from these seven groups to run Atlas Shrugs, SIOA, AFDI, Stop the Madrassa, or any of her organizations, publications, films, or projects has received any funding. If so, who is paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars to run anti-Muslim empire, George Soro?

    Horowitz called the reports use of the term “Islamophobia” a “smear category designed to silence critics of Islamic terror, Islamic misogyny and Islamic hatred of Jews, gays, Christians, Hindus and other “infidels”. I wonder when was the last time Horowitz read his Holy Talmud which not only curses Jesus, his mother Mary, Christians, all non-Jews and animals but also makes fun of Jews.

    Daniel Pipes claims that he is not against Islam but against Islamists who has politicized Islam to the extend that they have turned Islam to third great totalitarian movement after fascism and communism. I can excuse Pipes bigotry for his ignorance of the fact that in Islam there is no separation between faith and politics – and that Pipes may not know that both communism and fascism were given birth by his fellow Jews.

    Robert Spencer has blamed CAP report as “highly distorted and markedly unfair, twisting the facts and cooking the data in order not to enlighten but to manipulate, not to educate but to propagandize.” The idiot believes that no one knows that he and Pamela are raising funds to defend Norwegian mass killer who in his 1500 manifesto named Spenser and Pipes as his inspiration.

    Sheila Musaji’s detailed response to the jerk reaction to CAP report by Pamela Geller, Daniel Pipes, David Horowitz, Robert Spenser and Frank Gaffney, published by The American Muslim on August 27, 2011 – is worth reading here.

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