Traditional Beltane Fire Festival celebrating the beginning of Summer, in Edinburgh. The procession, which celebrates the ending of winter, is a revival of the ancient Celtic festival of Beltane, the Gaelic name for the month of May
It appears sometimes that the Finns view a calendar year exclusively in terms of the important holidays. A man lives merely to celebrate one big holiday that doesn’t happen often. Once the celebration is over he simply waits for another one to come. For example, there is such a big event as Christmas. When it has passed, one patiently awaits the Vappu which is the first day of May. Followed by the Midsummer Eve (22/23d of June), and after that there are just six more months until Christmas and the New Year.
And so on.…The time in between is simply an insignificant period that separates one important milestone from another.
Of course, it’s an exaggeration but still, while living in Finland, one often hears something like ‘Oh! It is only eight weeks till the Vappu!’, or Christmas, or the Midsummer eve. To some extent the Finnish holidays might be regarded as a powerful example of traditional European holidays that have continued down through centuries. Vappu, for example, is a celebration of the beginning of Spring, a celebration of nature and the very essence of life and the power of fertility as it awakens from long winter sleep. Indeed, traditions to celebrate the Midsummer Eve, as well as Vappu go back to the pagan times. These and many other holidays celebrated throughout Europe all have the pagan roots (although, in such cases as Walpurgis night — and Vappu is pretty much like that – the issue of its origins, Christian and pagan alike, has grown more complex as time goes on). All in all, these celebrations have a long history in Europe, and they are inseparable from its roots and its culture.
These days, traditional celebrations are especially important for the preservation of European cultures and identities which are under attack in all nations of the West. And beyond particular European cultures, such as Finnish culture, there must be something that manifests itself through our common perception of the world and unites us as White Europeans and makes us distinct group. In this regard, holidays or the very idea of traditional holidays and celebration is something that we all more or less share.
It is not surprising however that modern totalitarian liberalism and all the agents of multiculturalism have taken such pains trying to destroy all the major elements of traditional White culture – its family institutions and its traditions. Its very roots. It is easy to manipulate a nation when its constituent ethnic group has had its sense of history diluted with pseudo-historical accounts designed to undermine its collective confidence—its collective cultural memory distorted or erased altogether. It is indeed an easy job to influence a man whose sense of belonging and national identity have been damaged beyond repair.
It is not only a lack of knowledge of his history and cultural heritage or a silly belief in their irrelevance that plagues modern Western man, but the very sense of his cultural worthlessness that turns him into a spiritual Frankenstein – a creature concocted out of bits of worthless, artificial and dead matter. After being constantly fed with the mind-numbing propaganda of multiculturalism, we are forced to conclude that our heritage and our national culture is a true handicap because it prevents us from appreciating and consequently assimilating ourselves within a crazy mash of different cultures.
Thus, a strong sense of one’s own cultural heritage is the only real and workable antidote to the poisonous influence of multiculturalism.
Still, one must acknowledge the stubbornness of some White Europeans in keeping their heritage and culture. In fact, people try to deal with onslaught of totalitarian internationalism in many different ways and they often succeed. The Czechs and their national traditions are just one such example. Even though they suffered from Marxism-Leninism and everything that ideology could bring them, the Czechs proved to be stubborn enough to withstand the ‘deconstruction’ of their national character and traditions.
Here, I am talking about holidays and celebrations in particular. Along with every other country of the former communist Eastern Europe, they had been forced to hail the first day of May as the “Day of Internationalism and Worker’s Unity.” I cannot say how they had played their ‘official’ part in bygone days but they eventually came up with quite different celebration. Nowadays, the first May bears quite a different connotation. It continues the tradition in which young couples gather under blossoming apple or cherry trees. The idea is to sit under the blossoms, kissing and exchanging vows, a tradition influenced by a famous 19th-century Czech romantic poet, Karel Hynek Mácha. Thus, a commemoration of the poet and his work gradually became a tradition that exists in its own right.) These days, the first day of May has become a folk tradition of renewal of the promise of love.
This is how traditions are being renewed or even created from scratch. In addition, I would like to mention another, perhaps less striking but even more important Czech tradition and integral part of their culture — beer.
Beer drinking has been a part of Czech culture through the centuries, and in the Czech Republic a drinking beer is not simply an alcoholic beverage — it is an institution. Beer gardens and pubs — with their original atmosphere, their excellent beer and accompanying traditions, such as special food and drinking songs with their intense camaraderie, not to mention the way the Czechs consume beer — survived the Soviet invasion and nearly a half century of communism. Traditional pubs managed to survive.
Socializing with beer, in Prague
(Sadly enough, this honorable Czech institution surrounding beer is undergoing yet another assault – this time by those who decided to ‘multiculturalize’ it or to submerge it in the fast food culture imported from America. There are fewer traditional pubs than five years ago, and there is a growing tendency emanating from some official quarters to treat beer drinking as a dangerous dependency that leads to alcoholism).
Speaking of the latter, it is yet another sad sign of our times. Unlike drugs (which had been virtually unknown in Europe prior to their export from Asia and Americas), alcohol, especially wine (a gift to humanity from the gods, as the Ancient Greeks put it) has been an essentially European tradition. Whereas drug consumption is basically alien to the European temperament and constitution, alcohol has been a natural and integral part of Western culture that has always agreed with any normal, well-balanced man.
All the assaults on it are relatively recent inventions. It is no wonder that modern cultural Marxist-Internationalists attack it with such force, since wine is a common aspect of traditional socializing in European societies. Unlike drugs, wine as an aspect of traditional socializing doesn’t destroy people, turn them into wrecks, or lead to the deaths of thousands of young people. Unlike the illicit trade in cocaine and other narcotics, fantastic riches cannot be made on wine. The wine drinker (or beer drinker, for that matter) is not a type of person who would go and ‘start a revolution’ for a sake of minorities or internationalism. Quite the opposite.
You cannot influence him easily for he is basically a happy fellow who is content with himself, who loves his food and his leisure, who values good old traditions and who definitely prefers the company of his friends to that of some stoned ‘comrades’. He is not easily cajoled or steered into revolutionary action—possibly a defect in an age when revolution against regnant multiculturalism is definitely in order. Brought up to appreciate and handle good drink correctly, he is neither prone to poisoning nor to madness. That is why teaching one’s own child how to handle alcohol has become a crime punishable by law. Don’t teach your kids any traditions!
There is another aspect of traditional values that become extremely vague and distorted these days. I am talking about traditions of European charity.
I guess, not many people nowadays realize that the very concept of charitable action towards stranger originates in Northern Europe. It had been a good tradition for centuries to let a stranger sleep in your house (or at least in your barn). You simply could not turn a stranger away in wintertime for you knew that by doing so you were signing his death warrant. Thus, a tradition of letting a stranger spend a night under your roof had been common in all the regions of Scandinavia and Northern Russia.
Of course, the present day rationalized explanation of every cultural phenomenon tells us that this tradition was largely an adaptation to the harsh climate and that factor supposedly helped to shape such an outlook. But I think that the roots of this practice are much deeper than that. Harsh climate or indeed harsh living conditions are not limited to the Northern hemisphere, but the idea of a charitable obligation toward strangers is very much unique to the West. It is interesting to note that despite multiculturalism with its social alienation and mutual mistrust, a certain feeling of responsibility for welfare of a stranger is still alive in the mind of the Western man. Unfortunately, Western traditions of communal welfare that had resulted in creation of the welfare state societies also brought into existence horrendous abuses and further disenchantment with traditional ideas of charity and mutual help.
Here, I must add that the very idea of the welfare society, no matter how it had been envisioned originally, did not escape later onslaught of Marxism ideology. A new brand of ‘enlightened’ or ‘humane’ socialism began to create new type of Western man — a man without a sense of traditions or responsibility. ‘Why bother with charity if the State already takes care of the poor?’ ‘It is the responsibility of the State, not mine.’
This type of thinking now common in all present day Social Welfare states in the West. Nevertheless, it might be still considered pretty mild compared to the outlook found under true totalitarian regimes. The former Soviet Union with its heterogeneous and artificially created multicultural population managed to destroy nearly all folk traditions and national roots. And those it had not succeeded in destroying completely it turned into mongrelized commercial version of the original.
To conclude, I would like to return again to the Finnish tradition of celebrating Vappu and Midsummer. As I noted, these holidays still retain their pagan roots. I find this fact very significant. It would be plainly näive to proselytize a New Paganism or indeed anything resembling a spiritual revival of the old days. In my mind, these traditions have always been intertwined with folk epics, folk tales and legends that carry much of cultural heritage. Take an ancient Karelian epic ‘Kalevala’ or Nordic legends, or even later simple folk tales. The world, born out of the Golden Egg, affairs of Aryan Gods, heroes and explorers of ancient times… not to mention the fact that these tales speak of the mysteries of our Aryan world creation. They portray true heroes, men of action and honor. What a sharp contrast with the Arabic folk tales for example, such as stories of Hodja Nasreddin that celebrate the wit of a con artist, or thousands of Chinese folk ghost stories. But in our present day Western societies, parents do not tell their children folk tales at bedtime because they don’t know them and they hardly care.
On the other hand, there is indeed something that lies at the very core of the Western man that is still alive and active and which manifests itself through a variety of ways and traditions. How is it that we find a fire so fascinating? There is a continued fascination with personal heroism, honor, and altruism; with sense of fairness, with deep belief in what is right and what is wrong, and also a deep belief in personal merit.
These feelings, beliefs and convictions haven’t been lost to us or erased in us completely despite all attempts to do otherwise. It is indeed like Beltane festivals that keep springing up. Well then, let us keep our Beltane fires burning!
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The top picture looks like an ad hoc, modern invention like Earth (Dirt) Day rather than a folkway steeped in tradition.
Spot on! Great article.
The European soul can be healed by its connection to its time-honored traditions, to the seasons and the Earth. A rejection of consumerism and mindless, insipid entertainment will go a long way as a healing salve for those who have lost their way.
Moving away from cities with their never-ending shallow delights and returning to the land where one must actually work harder is something that would benefit Europeans and Americans. Is it any wonder that it is our cities that are being destroyed more markedly by multiculturalism and immigration? Our once beautiful cities that are now in the hands of savages: Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Atlanta, Milwaukee, New Orleans, St. Louis, Los Angeles, just to name a few. If we are to rise up again with renewed hope and courage to assert our European identities, it will not happen in the cities.
As a Scot could someone please explain what is supposed to be Scottish about both that racket and all those negroid gyrations on the video?
I have no idea is Beltane is Gaelic for the month of May or not but Gaelic was never spoken by a native of Edinburgh or any other Lowlander. On the bright side I suppose any recognition of the past is a step in the right direction by the decultured and deracinated Scots.
I certainly applaud all ethnic festivals that are unique to our folk. I applaud the fact that Christianity has, in celebration of the good, the true and the beautiful, incorporated many ancient feasts and festivals into our calender.
That said, I am quite sure I caught the act in the video at a Luau on Maui. Is this an authentic European celebration?
Oh dear! Near the very end of the video there’s a bare-breasted woman participating! In fact, the first picture shows several! :O
The Traditional Beltane Fire Festival in Edinburgh reminded me very much of the yearly week-long Burning Man festival held in the Black Rock Desert in northern Nevada. The event starts on the Monday before the American Labor Day holiday, and ends on the holiday itself. It takes its name from the ritual burning of a large wooden effigy on Saturday evening.
The Burning Man event is described by many participants as an experiment in community, art, radical self-expression, and radical self-reliance. But the nature of this Burning Man festival becomes distorted, I think, once the sociologists, business professors and theologians start seeing it as fertile ground for research.*
* Burning Man becomes a hot academic topic
I kind of get the sense that as European traditional holidays and customs go by the wayside, there springs up in its place a more White tribal expression of ancient pagan festivals to take their place. At least it keeps the Beltane fires burning somewhere and the ancient ways kept alive, I guess.
But one thing is for sure: nothing ever remains the same. The best I can say is, don’t be afraid of the future.
This material brings more disgrace and embarrassment to WN than Christianity ever will. hile I am agnostic and don’t believe in any religion, it is my unalterable belief that there are degrees of religious irrationality, and by this standard the pre-Christian pagans are far more akin to the boolies in the jungle than Christians will ever be. This group is behaving just like the boolies, banging drums, hooting, hollering, jumping around and behaving like weirdos.
This is wrong. Completely wrong. Wealth and power are concentrated in the cities. Throughout history, since the start of civilization, the cities have always been the seats of wealth and power. Marcus Aurelius governed from Rome, not some backwater province. In today’s world, Jews hold sway because of their dominance of politics, banking and entertainment, all activities that originate in the cities.
They should really update these festivals to make them more sophisticated and aesthetically pleasing. It’s nice that these people are in touch with their origins, but running around in your underwear with torches looks a bit silly…unless you’re an attractive girl, in which case it’s more than welcome.
Edinburgh Beltane Fire Society
Our Festivals
There are four quarter-day festivals, each one marking the change of the seasons each with a special ritual and symbolic significance. The Beltane Fire Society holds events to recreate these ancient festivals and re-establish the oft-forgotten link between ourselves and the seasonal passage of the year.
Beltane – Lughnasadh – Samhuinn – Imbolc
Our Groups
The Beltane Fire Society festivals incorporate many characters in different guises – some traditional, and some from our own modern interpretation. Different characters take on different roles at festivals, but all have a special place within our events.
The Procession at Beltane consists of the May Queen and her consort the Green Man, her White guard, the Processional Drummers, Nightwatch, the combined forces of Torchies and Stewards, and the guardians of the ritual, the Blues.
May Queen – Green Man – White – Processionals – Nightwatch – Blues
The elements of nature are brought together in the Beltane Festival as a collective representing – Air, Earth, Water and Fire, and are visited in the underworld after passage through the Fire Arch.
Air – Earth – Water – Fire
Other performing groups include the Reds, chaotic and lively counter of the Whites, Fire Arch, entrance to the underworld, and No Point, who have no point…
Reds – Fire Arch – No Point
There are many other faces in Beltane, working with the crowd or hidden away behind the scenes at the festivals.
Well, yeah, but the attractive women like guys with enough cajones to be silly and let loose, so to speak.
This reminds me of an article a few years back about “implicit whiteness” at an AC/DC concert. The author suggested it was basically a pagan male fertility rite, and mentioned the few women gyrating were “probably not feminists.” A musician friend of mine said that AC/DC was basically sped up English folk music with distored guitars.
One nice thing about the pagans is that nobody bothers with talking about the “Historical Odin” or suggests that Thor’s Hammer is some historical artifact that we can find with enough archaeology. Contrast that with the Christian fundamentalists, who, according to a GOP staffer with the Bush Sr. administration, actually petitioned the White House to release “secret satelite photographs” of … Noah’s Ark.
The staffer said they found some unusual rock formations in Turkey in some sat photos and sent it to the fundie Christians, who dutifully took it back to their congregation as “proof” that there really was a Noah’s Ark, and see – even the government admits it!
As some White wag once said – superstition for the darkies, priests for the Jews, and natural philosophy – science – for the Whites.
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@blue rose:
The coolest festivals in the world will not help our folk unless pagans remember that fertility festivals are to encourage fertility not fun and frolic alone.
Reminds me of that old Karl Marx quote “take away a people’s history, and you can tell them anything”. Although I realize I’m not familar with the context of the quote – even if Marx considered this bad or good.
Yes, these things are intertwined. And in our western heritage, irrevocably bound up with Christianity, since this as the central part of our cultural tradition for so many years played a role in preserving all of our culture, including even to a significant extent the pagan ones (a factor of course of occasional contention among some sects within Christianity itself).
It is not only naive to think a New Paganism is possible, but that it would, if it had any traditional cultural value, be of any use in evading the anti-Christian drive of our elites (strongly of course underwritten by Jewish groups) to erase this as with other constructive parts of our culture. The Vdare “War on Christmas” campaign has been witness to all this. Most notably is how the “War on Christmas” has changed/progressed over the years. I remember initially when it just discouraged overtly Christian themes. i.e., instead of singing “Silent Night” just “Santa Claus is coming to town”. Now of course Santa himself is under attack, such as I recall in some Maryland town last year.
(Probably only a matter of time till the PCer’s request “Maryland” itself be changed to some name not evocative of the Mother of Jesus)
This looks like some kind of New Age “Lilith Fair” crap. Might be a fun thing to do on the weekend, if you work at the pet store and have multiple tattoos and a piece of pipe through your earlobe.
This is white European revival? A rebirth of our rotting culture? Occidental Observer?
Just a bunch of wannabe jungle bunnies running around.
But in all sadness, I think this is the New Age answer to the post-Vatican II Catholic church music.
“On Eagle’s Wings”, anybody?
No it is not. Among Arab bedouins hospitality toward strangers is an almost religious obligation. This hospitality has become characterisctic of all Arabs, whether they are bedouin or not. How it is with other peoples I don’t know, but I remark in passing that in the Malay language the word for “stranger” and “guest” is one and the same : tamu, just like the Greek word xenos.
As for Hodja Nasreddin being a subject of Arabic folk tales and a typical example of semitic untrustworthiness, he was born in Khorasan in Iran and his stories originated in Turkey where he was burried. His stories which depict him as a combination of a rascal and a Don Quichote have become popular all over the Islamic world.
Maintaining folk traditions is indeed an important antidote against the corroding influence of vulgar modernity and alien multiculturalism, but one should also appreciate such high cultural creations as Wagner’s operas that intend to express the folk spirit. Both folk and high cultures are important.
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Spiritual Frankensteinism personified!
@Henry Baxley:
Like I always said other WN and you especially Henry are sounding more and more, would sound if you were more sophisticated exactly, like Alan Dershowitz.
I understand Christianity should not be immune from criticism, but I think people in White nationalism like Henry clearly have started to , after “being constantly fed with the mind-numbing propaganda of multiculturalism” the conclusion “that our heritage and our national culture is a true handicap”, and are trying to make us conclude the same. The mentality, as one gets from studying “The War on Christmas” is so Jewish and multicultural, that one can clear sense the same sort of Jewish delight in the Christian bashing which is so much, for lack of any other unifying theme, central to it.
Being basically caught up whether we like it or not, to the point where we basically internalize its values and methods for self-affirmation, in this cultural zeitgeist people like Henry remind one a little like the midget described by Gulliver (in his shrunken state) in Gulliver’s travels. The midget was so enthused over finding someone actually shorter than himself that he could not help but constantly ride Gulliver with some quip about his comparative lack of stature, calling him “shorty”,”runt”, “tiny” or whatever else he could think of.
You and your kind Henry are a constant reminder that there are worse things than being a fanatical Jewish multiculturalist, and a reminder why we Christian traditionalists who sympathize with many aspects of White nationalism must tolerate our fellow Christians who conversely think there is no worse thing than a White nationalist. Your testimony Henry makes it hard to completely refute that sentiment.
@Will Fredericks:
Well said.
Exactly.
Mission accomplished from a Jewish standpoint.
I don’t think Christianity should be beyond criticism; however, when a person comes into the comments and says “anything but Jewtianity,” it’s reasonable to infer bad faith.
@Lew: All true, but look on the bright side: at least their drums and howls aren’t amplified. These are 100 percent analog weirdos running on non-GMO dirt. And considering the Irish weather, it’s unlikely that they’ll stay outside three-quarters-naked for very long.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
You seem to have a wide breadth of knowledge. Do you know if our tradition of honoring a worthy opponent in war is unique to us? There are many example ranging from Richard and Saladin to countless American stories of Indian courage.
@Edward: Dirt Day! Now that’s an improvement! Wish I’d thought of that.
I am not sure a pagan fertility tradition is really a good place to start talking about the European mind. It sort of strikes me as being a little socialist. As a conservative, I see my identity as being something good, and I have had only one sexual partner in my life. Then, only in a time of emotional desperation. I do realize, on the other hand, that promiscuous tendencies run deep in the human soul. These are undoubtedly the basis for something like a fertility celebration.
I do also really like the idea that we should stand up for our traditions.
@Massah: @Lew:
You have both made valid points. The country does bestow strengths that the city cannot provide. The first of which is that life cannot be made the way you would like it to be. Reality wins every time. Mistakes here have real consequences. There are both physical and cultural benefits that they city cannot afford.
Cities have traditionally been the sources of political and financial power. Will this continue as the cities deteriorate and technology progresses? I have raised my kids in the country and then sent them to the city to build professional lives so that they can afford to return to the country. Best of both worlds.
@Lew: Right on! Not to mention the kulaks versus the Soviet commissars; the countryside per se delivered no protection.
There is a real segment of the population, often unchurched since birth, who would never consider becoming Christian, but do share many of our values. They go by many names, but perhaps the easiest label is the Mother Earth News crowd. Not truly pagan, they have strong objections to the industrial poisoning of nature. Often lead by fanatics, many are aware of the sellouts in public life. They may not join us openly but there is a lot of overlap. A huge industry exists around them. They can be infiltrated by anyone who shares some of their concerns. I have opened a few eyes with the info that the Sierra Club dropped the population, and therefore immigration, issue from their platform by demand of a Jewish donor. They also have no answer to the issue of every special creature deserving an environ-niche where it can grow and thrive, including us. We cannot insist on ritual purity if we hope to gain any momentum.
Richard Pierce:
One bad thing about the pagans is that despite their retarded invocations of the spirit of Odin, they are cravens who disgrace their ancestors. Like the Christians, they willingly bend knee to the multicultural Zeitgeist. In this vital respect, they are no different than the Christians.
The supposed upside of paganism is that it is not “Jewish-inspired.” In point of fact, any upside paganism may have from not being “Jewish-inspired” does not exist in organized paganism.
Consider the pagan organization known as “The Troth.” Supposedly, its members have a “deep respect” for their “Germanic religious, cultural and historical heritage”:
Except their idea of “deep respect” includes admitting all races.
Like The Troth, the pagan organization known as the Asatru Alliance also condemns racism:
The leaders of Asatru Alliance condemn racism in the first point in their by-laws suggesting they place a high priority on their anti-racist stance. They also welcome all races:
To segue from Lew’s comment, increasing division of labour will always see cities house the elites, and this itself is not cause for dismay. In my best one-trick-pony act, I’d invite folks to consider how the paper-money, central banking racket, and the gargantuan financial services industry borne thereof, has shaped internal migration patterns. Idem for countless other white-collar professions, the demand for which has primarily been driven by socialist programmes (health, education, welfare, public works, research, warfare, etc.). Had the demand for these essentially urban professions not been goosed by “free money”, it’s certain that the mix of professions would be different. How many a would-be farmer said goodbye to the ranch to don grey flannel in the wake of Sarbanes Oxley? (Not to mention the jobs that service the suits – would that barista still be serving had today’s Mr. Savile Row had stayed on the tractor of his youth?)
Just to throw out another point, the pagans and sundry anti-Christians in WN circles frequently criticize Christianity because of its so-called “universalism.” It should be noted, however, that Christian universalism offers one major advantage for Whites over the proposed alternative, so-called religious “particularism” such as that offered by the various strains of paganism. Because of its universalism, Christianity by definition is accessible to any European person, whether from a Northern, Central, Southern or Eastern European cultural background.
Paganism by contrast is divisive and exclusionary. The emphasis in organized paganism is on the traditions of Northern European peoples. By definition, it excludes Euros from other traditions. While pagan particularism also excludes non-Whites (in theory only since the organized pagan organizations do not do it in practice), it also divides Euros by region and cultural tradition.
Vappu, the Finn holiday mentioned above, is meaningful only to a small number of Whites. Christmas and Easter, in contrast, create shared experiences for hundreds of millions of White Christians the world over despite sectarian differences.
The claim that religious particularism is necessarily an advantage for Whites sounds good, but like many ideas promoted by the WN anti-Christians it quickly crumbles upon scrutiny.
Particular = divisive.
Although the fact that Christians include non-Whites in their circle is very problematic, particularism presents problems, too.
@Richard Pierce:
RE: The The Century Magazine article, dated January 1928
Volume 115, Number 3 by Marcus Eli Ravage
I like the hidden things — but I sure never expected this.
Obviously, it reads like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and apparently Ravage was an actual person:
“Marcus Eli Ravage (Max Ravitch) (June 25, 1884 Barlad, Romania – October 6, 1965 Grasse, France) was an American immigrant writer[1] and personal biographer of the Rothschilds family.”
On Semitic Controversies: A Daily Blog, a short background is given:
“Marcus Eli Ravage wrote two articles of much interest to anti-jewish individuals and groups: ‘A Real Case against the Jews’ and ‘Commissary to the Gentiles’, both of which appeared in ‘The Century Magazine’. Both his articles do not make very pleasant reading in that they are written in a haughty and condescending tone, which is claimed as satire by pro-jewish individuals and groups and as boasting by anti-jewish individuals and groups.”
With little else to go on, reading about the Scribner’s publication, which morphed into the Century Magazine, it indicates it was a literary magaine that gave a lot of space to illustrated articles on history, notably a series of articles on the American Civil War, from both sides of the perspective.
All in all, it sounded like a nice little magazine. I wonder if the Century Magazine had some sort of explanation for the article it presented by Marcus Eli Ravage? There’s no way to judge why such an article was included. Strange.
There’s nothing in the backgrounds of Scribner, his father, his magazine, or his editors, including later the Century Magazine, that gives a clue as to political affiliation. It’s just that Ravage’s strange article stands out in bold contrast to the types of articles the magazine published: ‘…fiction, poetry, and other general literature the magazine has devoted rather more attention than has Harper’s to matters of timely, though not of temporary, interest.’
Is the image associated with the article meant to be some sort of cross reference to NS iconography? It looks totally disordered to me and not the way Germans do things. Our chums borrowed imagery from the best of German cinema imagery and were keen to eliminate decadence in general. Their leaders were prudish and Ernst Röhm for example (who liked to do this sort of thing in his spare time), became dispensible.
It is hardly limited to Europeans. I’m Turkish and we’ve got something very similar, burning fires and dancing to celebrate the beginning of summer (they jump over the a giant fire instead of igniting torches) although the vast majority of the population are Muslim.
Its roots must be very very ancient, probably even older than Indo-Europeans, dating back to Proto-Eurasians.
Remember when everyone burned leaves in the fall? Now that’s illegal almost everywhere, even in the country.
@Will Fredericks:
I have nothing PERSONAL against Christians or Jews. It is their false BELIEFS that are hazardous to their (long term) health. The fact that they are mistaken doesn’t mean they are bad, just that they’re MISTAKEN…Humans make mistakes.
Let me speak clearly; When the faithful and proven horse you have been riding your whole life drops dead (Christianity) Don’t keep flogging it in the hope that it will miraculously get up and start running. Instead, mount a different horse. In doing this you may find that the old horse wasn’t really all that great to begin with….Witch burnings, torture, religious wars, the so-called Civil War, etc.
I can see that you and I are perhaps reading the same book but are on different pages..Talking Past each other, etc. So let me try to clear up some things. First, I belief God is Nature…not my race. Therefore it is not completely accurate to call me a “White Nationalist” I am a Natural Polarist first, White Nationalist second.
Jesus, Nietzsche, Muhammed, and all the great prophets and philosophers of history agree on one thing…A bolt of lightening dosn’t care if your black or white, male or female. (we’re all the same before God)
BUT WE ARE NOT GOD! and therefore, can’t FUNCTION AS EQUALS. Equals repel. so how can we function and interact with one another given the fact that we are only human?
The answer (and its not just me saying this, But Jesus, Nietzsche, etc.) is EVERYONE CAN”T BE ON TOP! (as in equality) This is IMO why God made “Adam and Eve” and males and females in the animal kingdom (Natural Polarization) so we can communicate with each other in a social sexual hierachy…as long as we don’t let it go to our head and forget the lightening.
It is natural and healthy for people to think they are better than those below them in the hierarchy, be it sexual; (men think they are better and women think they are better, etc.) Racial; (Jews think they are better, white think they are better) or in any other sense. But, since Nature seeks balence in all things, when we get “too big for our britches” The bolt of lightening reminds us that the master is after all equal to the slave, and vice versa.
The message of Jesus was not one of equality in the affairs of men (no female disciples) but equality before God “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”
My objection to the INSTITUTION of Christianity is it has become to big for its britches and need to be taken down a few notches. I consider it my moral obligation to do just that. You can call it “spreading the Gospel” of Natural Polarization. ;)
Hitler already spoke the last word on this style of nouveau faux paganism when he attended one of Himmler’s “Yule” ceremonies:
@Lew
Precisely so. As David Lane discovered when the modern “Odinists” disavowed him, the so-called modern Paganism is at least as Judeo-Marxist as the many sects of Anglo-Saxon Protestantism.
Now if the Celtic Britons want to strip down and repaint with themselves with the Blue Woad (and also resume the degenerate polyandry) the Roman Legions found them in when they conquered Britain, so be it.
This might arguably be an improvement over the degenerate Anglo-Saxon Protestantism promoted by the Tudor family as a support for their personal rule. Another part of that was Sir Francis Walsingham and John Dee seeking out alliances with Jews and Muslims everywhere. Pro-Jewish behavior by white elites has been present in the WASP project from the very beginning.
For the future fighting white race Eastern Orthodoxy and what Trudy Pert labeled “Germanic Christianity” offer far more.
I don’t know a lot about Paganism. I gather that the modern form of it (post 1950) started with the extreme left liberal crowd, which is fine, they have some good ideas (and some bad ones)
I will say that if they don’t fall for the “social equality” bs and respect the natural roles of men and women, they will prosper and do fine.
@Henry Baxley:
About the natural roles of men and women, I think there is a lot of false propaganda spreading around about perfect equality. But you also don’t want to alienate any of your resources. There are about twice as many men in the gifted range of intelligence than women and men have IQ’s about 4 points higher than women on average. However, I have known some extraordinary women whose contributions to our cause cannot be ignored.
Historically, women have made great domestic workers, doing anything from gathering crops to sewing clothing. And then later they made great factory employees. However, there have also been some unorthodox roles for women, even including some great historical women warriors.
I just wouldn’t want to see any potential blind sexism turn away any European sympathizers who might find that sort of idea repulsive to their interests as intellectual women.
There is a myth diligently spread by decadent moderns posing as white nationalists. This is also gladly promoted and aided by polygamous and adulterous Jews. This myth is that uncompromising “family values” and stern “Puritan” sexual morality are somehow Semitic impositions that make white people weak. This very idea itself is a lie, at least so far as white people of German descent are concerned.
Cornelius Tacitus on pre-Christian “Germany”:
It was 1st AD Christianity that had to conform itself to the above monogamous Germanic “Focus On Family” values to make any headway in Europe. The family morality of the old Roman Republic was equally stern. A major preoccupation of Augustus was to try to combat the growing immorality and licentiousness of Roman domestic life.
Alexis de Tocqueville noted asimilar stern sexual morality prevailing in the early American republic. This was only related to Puritanism and the churches to the extent these groups had systematically adopted pre-Christian Germanism as their approach to personal morality and family organization.
In contrast the Law of Moses codifies an entire system of polygamy.
Keep the Beltane Fires Burning? Maybe for Celtics. Tacitus recorded they lived in a dissolute system of polyandry. And their feminist queens were readily conquered by the legions of Rome. The contrast between this and the permanent standoff on the Rhine and Danube (or Herman at Teutoburger Wald) is striking.
Keep the Beltane Fires Burning?
Nonsense.
@Cody S.:
Any woman with common sense knows that men and women competing for the same jobs wont work. Its just that a few of the intellectual variety such as alice Teller can explain WHY it don’t work.
Only those people who think seperate is not equal are threatend by seperate value systems for each gender.
I will go further. Equalitarians in the WN community..albeit on a sub-conscious level.. is their biggest stumbling block. Until WNs accept the FACT that men and women can’t function as equals they will continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Because once you buy men and women as equal, RACE EQUALITY MUST FOLLOW. You can’t be half equal any more than you can be half pregnant. Everyone is equal or their not.
@Ex-Pro White Activist:
Interesting, enjoyable comment.
Thanks for sharing.
It seems that chastity (of mind and body) is great for White people.
Keep in mind that paganism doesn’t just mean the less sophisticated beliefs and rituals of northern Europe, but also the strong, proud gods of Ancient Greece and Rome. The Iliad and The Aeneid are, technically speaking, pagan literature.
There’s no doubt in my mind that most of the people who go to these festivals are hippies and libertines. If you want to turn pre-Christian beliefs into something pragmatic you have to do what the National Socialists did and organize it, intellectualize it, and aesthetically remake it to fit modern sensibilities. Otherwise these festivals are nothing more than social gatherings.
@Richard:
I wrote:
It seems that chastity (of mind and body) is great for White people.
I regret adding the words “it seems that”.
I’ve shared my definition of chastity before, but in case any clarification is needed, I’ll mention it again.
I believe that sexual intercourse is procreation. All other forms of sexual activity (including masturbation) are recreational.
I wonder what society would like if people lived that way. I think it would be truly heavenly. If people understand the virtue of chastity, not as something that limits pleasure but that brings peace and joy. And many other good things.
@Lew:
Thank you for pointing this out. This stuff makes Whites look like a bunch of boozed up, drugged up bozos. If I had to choose between the Christianity of Joel Olsteen and these wannabe pagan losers I’ll take Olsteen’s crowd.
Besides most of the Pagan movement(especially in Wicca) is made up garbage, most of it can’t be traced back more than 60 years. Most of it seems to be a excuse to get loaded and party.
@Richard: Richard, excellent points. The subject of human sexuality and it’s impact on society as well as the indvidual(the two subjects are in reality one) is mindboggling in its complexity. Every famous psychologist from B.F. Skinner to Sigmund Freud, to Alfred Adler, to Carl Jung, etc. was aware of this. Your intuitive thoughts on this show a deep understanding, that only people who have been thinking on the same lines would realize. I could elaborate on this, but I’m not presently up to the task. Peace Richard.
@Ex-Pro White Activist: Actually, Germans were/are Celts. There have been a number of burial chambers found in Southern Germany over the last 20 – 30 years.
Puritans were extremists, and worked closely (i.e. funded) by Dutch Jews so that the Jews could re-gain entry to England. This eventually led to the Rothschilds being the Bank of England, which has been the source of the world’s misery since.
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For many posters here, the issue of Christianity is being viewed with blinders. The Eastern or Orthodox Church has always viewed Jews as an enemy. Constantine’s doctrine was to keep the Jews out of finance, government (law) and education. Byzantium is the longest known empire to have existed, The Orthodox Church views most things revered by the RC Church not as miracles, but symbols. Symbols are what this article is about. This is in essence what Luther’s theses were all about, Granted, in early days Luther was open to Jewry. This is undoubtedly part of his RC indoctrination. Later he saw them for what they were and published “The Jews and their Lies”.
As for the pagan ceremonies and religions, it is not that big a leap from Ásatrú, which is a combination of several northern religions, to Christianity. Óðinn, the All-father = God, the all-knowing. Jörð, the earth mother = Mary, mother of the church. Þór, the protector = Jesus, the avatar warning us about Judaism.
Some things not mentioned by Alexander Mikhaylov is that the Rus (Russians) were closely related to, if not actually, the Norse. The Swedes had settled in Ukraine, integrated quite well, and were invited to rule.
The “Germanic” pagans were not opposed to others joining, per se, they just did not encourage it. I say this because there is an account of a “Viking” funeral written by an Arab, and they were known to have traded into the middle east, without issue.
http://www.sammustafa.com/Resources/Fadlan.pdf
http://www.nordicway.com/search/Vikings%20in%20the%20East.htm
As an aside, one of the Icelandic Sagas makes reference to the people in what is now Southern England, speaking the same language in those days. Fresian is considered to be the original English. It is said that Icelanders and Faroese are able to understand them.
Europeans are more closely related than we are allowed to believe. Multi-culturalism used to refer to the difference between Europeans e.g. Danes and Italians. As I have often said to a number of acquaintances, who are from the former Yugoslavia, my grandparents, who were from Northern Europe, had more in common with their grandparents, than their grandparents had in common with Tunisians (approx. the same distance). I haven’t heard them deny it yet.
@Richard:
“All other forms of sexual activity (including masturbation) are recreational.”
And that’s a bad thing? Sex is healthy and natural; it keeps the individual mentally balanced and in good physical condition. Chastity serves no purpose whatsoever. It’s just more misguided moralizing.
@fender:
WN attempts to resurrect the forms of paganism associated with primitive European Earth cults have always left me scratching my head. Given the rich traditions of Athens and Rome, why bring back the primitive and the crude? I am willing to allow there is an answer to this question that I am not ware of, but if there is, I can’t think of it. In ancient Athens’ festivals of Dionysus, they staged theatrical performances of Aeschylus, Euripides and Sophocles’ works. That is a form of pagan celebration I could get behind.
@Henry Baxley:
Nonsense.
Look most the events and movements in the last 70 years that changed the West were secular in nature. Not religious.
From the early 1920′s onward here in the U.S. we already had Marxists hard at work trying to wreck the system. They were later aided by Jewish intellectuals from the Frankfort Group that invaded our universities and poisoned the minds of the children of the White upper classes. By the 60′s the successors of the Frankfort school hijacked the Democratic Party and began bankrolling a series of puppets to do their dirty work. It culminated with the 1965 immigration act and LBJ’s “Great Society” program.
The efforts of the Frankfort school are still paying great dividends in our colleges and universities where their intellectual heirs now control the humanities departments across the country. And this includes teacher colleges. You ever why our children get such a politicized and useless education – look the schools the teachers attended.
The Left and Gays also took aim at the RCC and began their infiltration of it. That’s how we got Vatican II and every other evil that had befallen the RCC since then. And now they’ve hijacked numerous Protestant denominations like the Anglicans who now have a freakish ass Muslim loving in charge(Rowan) to American denominations that have been reduced to mere feel good social gatherings and promoting the liberal agenda. And yet White atheists still hate them.
Christianity itself, even in it’s most weakened form became a target not only for Jews but their allies the militant atheists on the Right who both share a visceral hatred of Christianity. Even here at TOO, White Christians are pretty much viewed put in the same category as Jews by WN’s.
And today the rich secular Whites have embraced globalism and open borders in their quest for wealth and power. Today you’ll find White secularists finding new ways to outsource American jobs/manufacturing and bring in foreigners by the millions.
IMO we need to stop blaming the Jews for all our ills and look at our White academic, political and business classes. Who don’t even need the Jews in order to screw over their own race. But that’s too hard. Got to blame the Jew, the White Christian for all our ills.
@Richard:
Well said. At least in human society promiscuity (free sex) cheapens the person by virtue of the natural law of supply and demand…the more partners we have, the less the mean to us.
Also, because human children need constant care at least till age three and consistant care till puberty, and parental supervision through the early teens. it is good evolutionary stratigy for humans to mate for extended periods. Ideally for life. It’s all about the child in the eyes of God, otherwise there would be no male and female…just equals.
We are entering a “Brave New World” where free sex means that kids will no longer be raised by a mother and father, but by the state. It will be interesting to see how it works out. I am not optimistic.
@Henry Baxley:
Firstly I’m not sure what beliefs you think Jews have – most of them de facto are pretty close to your atheism. I understand your right to your own opinions, but you obviously don’t respect our rights to the same, our beliefs, and we in general, and yes, I do take that personally.
You certainly are practiced at dead horse flogging yourself.
It’s better to be up riding a horse than constantly wallowing in horseshit. ;)
I detect echoes of cosmotheism, which means you’re an atheist, and in my book a rather militant and often obnoxious one .
Is this your “Natural Polarist manifesto” ? With a Google search I can find no evidence of any organized writing on the subject beyond your mumbo-jumbo on the internet.
I just call it the standard new atheist practice of characterizing constantly hurling insults and provocations as “dialogue”.
@pessimist:
“The events and movements that changed the west in the last seventy years were secular in nature, not religious”
Listen to yourself man! first you say we are victims of secular change and in the same breath you blame JEWS..(RELIGION) via the Frankfort School.
We are indeed victims of secular change (technology) But we are also victims of religion in that people WORSHIP the child of technology,ie. “equality”
Sorry, but Jews are just not that superhuman. They only have the power given to them by Christians. otherwise they would still be wandering in the desert
@Richard:
Thank you. Tacitus is not the only Roman witness to this extreme personal discipline and morality among the ‘pagan’ Germans. See Tertullian writing a few centuries later:
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/salvian_gov_07_book7.htm#C20
Paragraphs 20 onward are of greatest interest to this discussion.
Tertullian spoke at greater length and with far more specificity about the Germanic Vandals’ ‘war’ on Roman decadence in the province of Africa. They closed all the whorehouses, they outlawed public displays by male transvestites, they decreed all the prostitutes and whores had to marry…
iow these Germanic barbarian ‘pagans’ imposed on the by- then Christian Roman province of Africa the uncompromising Puritanism that certain inventive and noisy individuals now claim is the result of Semitic ‘Xtian’ infiltration.
Tertullian certainly didn’t write this as any kind of boast about his personal ministry or the Church in general. He generally laments the fact the Vandals had succeeded far more than Apostles in suppressing the widespread decadence.
@Will Fredericks:
http://www.churchofnaturalpolarization.org
Go f*** yourself ;)
One cannot help but be reminded of the envy which with the Jews viewed the Greeks who had no problem competing naked in the games – probably the shame they felt due to their mutilated genitals. At the end of the day, you have Jews and Christians arguing over which one is YHWH’s Special Chosen People. And just like some orthodox rabbi who will only have sex with his wife through a hole in a sheet, we have people with bizarre sexual repression fetishes going around trying to shame those with normal, natural sexual instincts who aren’t ashamed of the body the Good Lord gave them.
It doesn’t really make much difference if you are religious or not. It makes zero difference if you believe in YHWH or not, because there is no evidence that such a thing exists, and if it does, it obviously doesn’t intefere in the real world. So believe, or not believe, it won’t make any practical difference either way.
What is certain is that Christians are not going to be leading any White movement anytime in the future, and for the most part, White people aren’t interested in ancient mythologies about YHWH, Noah’s Ark, Jesus floating up into the sky, or turning water into wine (oh wait, that might actually be fun!) The Catholic Church is too busy paying off lawsuits to lead anything, the Protestant denominations are boring social clubs (as mentioned above) and American fundamentalists are the laughing stock of the US, willing to follow the Jews into their Holy Wars for Israel. Who needs them?
The pagan types don’t “believe” in Odin, it’s a fun story. Science and rationality are the way forward for Whites, not yet another argument over who YHWH loves the most.
You all have fun not having sex and going to church, I’d rather be dancing around the campfire on the weekends. I can guarantee that these pagan festivals are far more segregated than your average church service.
(Also notice that any hint of criticism makes the Christians cry “hate!” – just like their “older brothers in the faith” the Jews.)
Get over yourselves.
For some Pagans, the celebrations are spiritual cycles that parallel seasonal cycles. Birth, sacred marriage, death, regeneration/rebirth. The cycle is reflected in both the solar transition of the sun and the lunar monthly phases connecting us to the cosmos.
@pessimist:
True, but this fact will not deter the most determined critics of Christianity. A number of them contend that secular liberalism and Marxism are descended from Christianity. I kid you not. Hence, they claim, Christianity is ultimately responsible for the damage that Marxists, cultural Marxists and secular liberals have inflicted in Western civilization.
You can’t make this stuff up. For example, Pierre Krebs, a European New Right intellectual, uses this reasoning in his book, Fighting for The Essence.
I have not read the book; however, based on the reviews and commentary about it that I have seen, Krebs appears to be in the number that contends that Marxism and secular liberalism are variants of Christianity:
And it is not as if Krebs is alone in this view. Tom Sunic gave Krebs’ book a glowing review, stating:
Note that Sunic approves of Krebs’ wild exaggeration that all political concepts we take for granted today originated in the middle east.
All political ideas? Come on. It’s a dumb and ridiculous claim. Many political ideas in the West pre-date Christianity and can be traced to Athens and Rome. Again, I have not read Krebs’ book, so it is possible Krebs qualifies this idea in ways that do not show up in the reviews. But, on its face, the claim that all Western political ideas can be traced to the middle east is a major factual error that destroys credibility.
*** www counter-currents com/2012/03/titans-are-in-town-preface-to-pierre-krebs-fighting-for-the-essence/
@Lew:
This universalism as you mention is one of the most common charges against Christianity made by its more serious WN opponents, even though even here it does not seem to seriously hold water. The first rather obvious oversight is it overlooks the relentless pressure and often virtually totalitarian contemporary Christianity faces from modern liberalism to be more universal and less “particular”, “parochial”, indeed, “intolerant”. Christianity is in fact the only organized force in our society standing against things like homosexual rights, radical feminism, radical Islam, or other contemporary obsessions of political correctness. For taking these public stands it pays an immense price. Organized Christianity today to survive must contend publicly with the real world, it cannot confine itself to making constructions of an imagined utopia anonymously from the internet.
This price actually I think goes very far in explaining some of the concessions contemporary organized Christianity has made in areas that go against such as its position regarding racial issues and toward Israel. There is widespread private understanding even among conservative elements in the Churches of the extent of the areas in which their opposition to the agenda of contemporary liberalism and multiculturalism (including combating “antisemitism) faces fierce opposition. It must seem to almost everyone that the Churches face a huge task, that their resources are getting stretched thin, and that it might be advisable to cut their losses and make deals in areas, like racial equality and Israel, where it does not seem there is as direct a threat to their theology and being (even if this is, under the surface, not true).
To make this threat seriously, that Christianity’s fundamental incompatibility with White nationalism is its universalism, just can’t be taken seriously. Even many White nationalists rather ostentatiously cite their opposition to Christianity as arising because of its particularism, as opposed to its universalism. I often hear criticisms for instance (like fender here) of its emphasis on monogamy and chastity. Other criticisms center on its attitude toward their own pet pagan religions, and as in the past it has drawn heat for its support for the sixth commandment as opposed to the agenda of the WN (even as they now claim to support it).
Overall this argument seems to me to be in its account of contemporary social and political reality to be so impossibly naive that that explanation cannot be accepted, the only real explanation being that like so much of White nationalism, perhaps partially a legacy of its NS habits, very dishonest intellectually. Maybe it is for this reason that people like Hadding Scott, as I have shown, can find no support for their denial of the charge
except by methods that themselves also demonstrate a low regard for the importance of ideas and truth.
The idea that truth is universal really is today largely a Christian stronghold, opposed by contemporary multiculturalism and postmodernist ideology. The logic of taking a stand against universalism ends up in getting pushed toward postmodernism, as the European New Right has done, which in turn leads them to have embraced multiculturalism in a way the anti-Christian White nationalists constantly cite as resulting from the defect in our Christian heritage.
The spiritual Frankensteinism which results in the Christian bashing of the knuckledraggers seems but little different to me when coming from a pseudo-intellectual approach, just sort of the appearance of cultural refinement which comes from putting a dresscoat on a knuckledragger.
@Tom:
And rightfully so! Burned is gone, forever. Leaves are needed for the soil, not for air pollution.
@Henry Baxley:
So the Jews then, once again, are really just victims of the Christians?
With thinking like this maybe you should apply to win, like William F. Buckley, Abe Foxman’s “Man of the Year” award.
@Richard Pierce:
Thank you.
“And just like some orthodox rabbi who will only have sex with his wife through a hole in a sheet, we have people with bizarre sexual repression fetishes going around trying to shame those with normal, natural sexual instincts who aren’t ashamed of the body the Good Lord gave them.”
That’s another thing one eventually notices about Christianity: how effeminate it is. Think of priests, 50 year-old virgins in long gowns, surrounded by candles and singing in front of people. They might as well be women. We always talk about how feminized men are due to liberalism, but Christianity was the first blow against us in terms of neutering us.
“What is certain is that Christians are not going to be leading any White movement anytime in the future,”
Yeah, this is the biggest thing that Christians on this site don’t understand: the major Christian churches and organizations would be AGAINST any kind of resurgent White racial consciousness. I’ve repeatedly told Christians on this site that their religion abandoned them long ago, but they don’t want to listen. They’re interesting in the past, not the future. The future must be grounded in science and realism, not faith.
@Richard Pierce:
You can have all the fun you want at your authentically sterile pagan fertility rites. How silly can you be? It is only Christian white women who predictably marry and bear children. Not all, or even enough, but far more that you kids who want to play grownup but never take the actual responsibility of children. That makes your future a little dim.
@fender
Let’s be blunt, shall we? The little secret of the Catholics that they don’t like to dwell on is the difference between “celibacy” and “chastity.” “Celibacy” means you don’t get married. “Chastity” means you don’t have sex.
So when a Catholic priest decides to marry a woman – he’s kicked out of the priesthood. But when a Catholic priest “stumbles” and has homosexual sex with his “fellow brother” who is, like him, “married to the church” he just has to say some “Hail Marys” and all is forgiven.
An entire institution based around men living together with their “brother priests/monks” shunning sex with women. What sort of men are attracted to this lifestyle? It’s blatantly obvious, but the average hetero Catholic just continues to be in denial about the obvious.
One of the main reasons the Protestants staged the Reformation is because the Renaissance-era Catholic priesthood hardly tried to hide it anymore.
I’ve been reading the various pro-White websites about the “Mannerbund” so I do think there is probably some use for these all male, and even perhaps “homoerotic” groups, as long as they are loyal to our White tribe. But come on – hey Catholics, the cat is out of the bag about the “celibate priesthood.” Not like this is new, it’s been common folk wisdom about “pervert priests” since the middle ages.
Grow up, people. And before the screetching starts, you’ll never hear me complain about Christian women and their 15 kids – more power to them, whatever works. I say we give them some sort of Official Reward/Medal for being a Great White Mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkxMgS017J0
Amen.
“And just like some orthodox rabbi who will only have sex with his wife through a hole in a sheet
Technically called a glory hole. (GH) Queer bars also have them, for anonymous BJs.
@Will Fredericks:
Oh yeah, quoting primary sources the way I do is totally crooked.
Thanks for plugging my blog anyway.
@fender:
@Richard Pierce:
BUSTED – I know where you’re getting you’re arguments now! Why is it that the the most obnoxious group of vituperative Frankfurt School, Christian-bashing rhetoric you’ll ever find is that posted on White nationalist websites by those who pass themselves off as White nationalists?
@Richard Pierce:
“science is the way forward”
Agreed. But science is concerned with uncovering and interpreting the laws of “God” (Nature) The danger is that those interpretations will be subjected to screening by some single charismatic pschopath or religious nut in the White House, Knesset, or Vatican. A counsel of learned elders should implement scientific findings about the nature of Nature on the basis of what is good for their posterity.
A good example of this is the study that linked having regular sex with longer life, well this information was fed to the herd as “if it feels good, do it” which led to marital infidelity>divorce> traumatized children and AIDS, among other things. Nature seeks balence. Too much sexual repression is not healthy. Nor is free sex
@Will Fredericks: I am also very glad that I bother you so much that you have to kvetch about me even when I am not around.
Regarding sexual behavior, Catholics have been encouraging large families for a long time. They have been promoting normal sex between White men and White women for two thousand years. The claim that Catholicism or Christianity in general promote suppressing or shaming the sexual instinct is false.
Paganism won’t save us. Christianity won’t save us. Anti-Christianity won’t save us. Mysticism won’t save us. Culture won’t save us.
Recognizing the straight up primacy and centrality of race will save us. We can argue all the Really Cool Theories until the end of time, but it won’t make any difference. If the proper role of race isn’t understood, nothing else works.
The only possible problem with a few Christians (or any other religious group), in some future in which race is finally recognized as crucial, might be a tendency among some to accept the miscegenation of their own race as an acceptable cost to pursue the salvation of mankind. However, Christians didn’t always argue we had to flood the US with immigrants in the past, so I don’t think it would a major problem. In fact most Christians were historically quite happy keeping America White.
Christians accepted that nations went to war with each other, on a regular basis, so I don’t think they would necessarily have some insurmountable problem accepting that nations work best when they are ethnically based, have borders and sense of group loyalty to themselves.
@Jason Speaks:
Nothing will save us as long as there remains the childish notion that any group of whites is responsible for our lack of invincibility. Jews are remarkably clever at finding and exploiting the weakness in any group, system, philosophy or religion they encounter. Of course we all have weaknesses. Many contributed to our current plight. Endless, childish bickering will get us no where. There were also lots of ordinary run of the mill, human traits and vices that contributed. Hubris, foolishness, greed, laziness, vanity and many more all played a part.
I propose a truce, which I am sure will not be accepted. Reasoned critiques and criticism are fair, I think all Christians here have acknowledged that there are real problems in our Churches that must be addressed. Personally, I see no reason to join any group that does exactly what the jews are doing are doing to me.
Am I really the only one who finds it sad that there are more open, blatant, vulgar, degrading insults tossed at various subsets of whites than one hears any where else? We don’t have to love each other, or even respect each others beliefs or values – if we agree on a common goal and a little common courtesy.
@Will Fredericks
Spoken like a true Judeo-Christian upset because the cultural Marxists seduced your daughter and your wife while your were taking advice from your 50 year old virgin (homosexual) priest.
But I don’t agree with Wilheim Reich or the cultural Marxists – it’s NOT Christian sexual repression that causes “anti-semitism” – Jews cause “anti-semitism” by their actions. Jews just found a way to tweak your sexual hang-ups and you – and your daughters and your wife – fell for it.
Your problem is you are still fighting Jews over who YHWH loves more. Meanwhile, your daughter is dancing around topless with the pagans.
@Alice Teller:
“If we agree on a common goal”
That’s the problem. What IS the goal? I personally see the goal as GENDER SEGREGATION, NATURAL LAW, implemented by SCIENTISTS from all fields of study. (Imagine a Muslim country ruled by scientists instead of one so-called “supreme leader”)
Most people here have the stated goal of race separation, but they also want their daughters to be free to choose. But when we had race separation daughters were NOT free to choose. When they became free to choose we lost race separation.
Sexual freedom=race mixing…simple
I could live with race mixing if that were the ONLY negative effect of free sex, What I have a BIG problem with is this; FREE SEX DESTROYS FAMILIES>dysfunctional families destroys children.
The stated goal of most WNs is to preserve the race, have lots of kids etc,
But what good is a pure white race without family? What good is having lots of kids if the parents hate each other (equals repel) their only going to be raised by the government anyway to become brain-damaged, government controlled robots.
I believe in WNism. But without family WNism is smoke
@Alice Teller:
Don’t take it too much to heart. There are no real controls
preventing Jewish ADL and SPLC antifa vermin from corrupting these threads with invective designed to disrupt and set every man against his fellows.
This is what these scum sucking parasitic filth bags incapable of genuine creativity and productivity do. They are two-faced hypocrites, sexual deviants and outright liars.
The personage calling itself Z.O.G. for instance could easily be a Jewish troll. Here “Zionist Occupation Government” is a neutral noun. It might have been adopted by a Jesus hating genetically deformed Jew creature as an inside joke.
Don’t laugh. I have seen Jewish owned real estate holding companies with NYC Manhattan addresses registered with names like “Eighty Eight Development Corporation”. (“88″ is skinhead numerology for “Heil Hitler”).
Oh the irony.
As I said earlier, it’s the religious Christians who act just like Jews – any criticism no matter how mild is automatically interpreted as “hate.” The ADL and SPLC would be proud.
By the way, this is an internet comment board, not a “movement.” If criticism of your religion is enough to destroy the pro-White movement, then it’s just another indication that Christians are incapable of leading anything pro-White. The future of Christianity lies with non-Whites in the third world – that’s where the growth is.
Or maybe he just doesn’t believe in your fairy tales.
@fender:
Fender, you wrote:
Chastity serves no purpose whatsoever.
After writing that, you go on to accuse others of being “misguided.”
I sense that you do not understand or honor the virtue of chastity.
Even putting religion aside, chastity makes sense.
About recreational sex, you wrote:
Sex is healthy and natural; it keeps the individual mentally balanced and in good physical condition.
I don’t know if you engage in recreational sex or masturbation. But you don’t seem to have the healthiest mind, Fender. Your comments lack hope and often try to undermine the hope of other people.
And you seem to reduce all of life to the material.
So I’m not sure how you would be the one to know that recreational sex “keeps the individual mentally balanced.”
There are other things about some of your comments in general that don’t seem healthy or decent. (I think some of your comments are good and useful, though.)
I admit that I myself don’t have the healthiest mind. But since coming to understand and honor the virtue of chastity, my mental health (and life in general) has improved so much.
I used to masturbate, and there was a relatively short span of time when I went to bars to meet women; but I was much less healthy in the mind then. I thought that kind of behavior (masturbation and going to bars) was normal because that’s what the media programs us to believe. It tells us that only losers and weirdos (or some other pejorative) do not engage in some form of recreational sex.
That’s the same media that tell us homosexuality is healthy and just as good as heterosexuality. It’s the same media that tell us that race mixing is good and inevitable and “progressive.”
When I engaged in recreational sex activity, I was miserable. Of course I was drinking at that time in my life. And that’s another important point — there seems to be a correlation between recreational drugs (which includes alcohol) and recreational sex.
Again, chastity and sobriety aren’t limits on happiness and pleasure.
Of course chastity and sobriety are often framed to appear bad, restrictive, boring, etc.
I’m not the greatest ambassador for the virtues of chastity of sobriety. But hopefully I’ve helped somehow.
@Henry Baxley:
I think you are right. Which is why non-discrimination policies must be applied instead of organized sexism in hiring, where men must check a box that tells potential employers that they could get in trouble with the EEOC for hiring. Sex differences do in fact exist, and no one has to do anything. Things just sort themselves out if the racist/sexist liberals just leave it alone. This is true for the great majority of women. It is also true for the exceptions.
It is supremely against the idealistic nature of Whites to be sexist. Sex differences never occurred because people created them. They were a natural outgrowth of biology. Equalitarianism is a socialist tendency that hates things that are different. It destroys the ability of people to find themselves. It destroys innovation and a more efficiently running society.
@Richard Pierce:
“…………dancing around topless with the Pagans”
LOL
@Ex-Pro White Activist:
The anti-Christian vermin often give themselves away though. When a person criticizes Christianity more often or more harshly than Jews, it’s a dead giveaway for obvious reasons. Serious White advocates never do that. William Pierce was a harsh critic of Christianity, but he was harder on Jews. Jared Taylor doesn’t criticize Jews, but he doesn’t criticize Christianity either. Professor MacDonald occasionally criticizes Christianity but criticizes anti-White Jewish behavior far, far more often.
So, it is perfectly clear how the people we know are genuinely concerned about White interests handle this issue. They either don’t criticize Christianity at all or they do but criticize Jews more harshly and more often.
@Jason Speaks:
How will race save us when it never has before.
@Henry Baxley:
Race has driven much of human history. Nothing matters more about how a society will end up than the race and ethnicity of the people in that nation. Nothing else comes close. You can have 100 million Nordics in one country and 100 million black Africans in another, and regardless of what political system or religion they have, life in the Nordic country will be much better and they will have more accomplishments.
Human beings are naturally ethnocentric by the way, this has been scientifically proven. It is the constant pressure from anti-Whites that has suppressed the normal feelings of most Whites.
@Richard:
“I sense that you do not understand or honor the virtue of chastity.”
There’s no “honor” in refusing to have sex with beautiful women. Life is short, and any man with self-respect would want to take in as much beauty as possible.
“And you seem to reduce all of life to the material.”
I am a non-reductive materialist in the vein of Daniel Dennett.
” I thought that kind of behavior (masturbation and going to bars) was normal because that’s what the media programs us to believe.”
That’s not what I’m talking about. There is no honor in getting drunk and nailing some ugly girl to pass the time. But there is honor, and more importantly, vitality, in bedding honest-to-god Aphrodites, in travelling the world and making love to its beauties.
@Jason Speaks:
I think that race was a primary driver of human history up until the industrial revolution. After that, Machines began slowly to replace race as the primary driver. The cataclysmic nature of humans suddenly becoming dependant on machines can not be overstated from an evolutionary persective. It was a bigger change than fire or the wheel. And certainly more sudden.
Consider that the growth of technology has not only parralled the growth in racial mixing, but also urbanization, mass transit, the death of the institution of marriage via gender equality, and the transition from hierarchal aristocracies to Jewish tyranny disguised as “equality” Thus replacing European Royalty with Jewish royalty.
They were able to acomplish this by controlling both the financial sector (Capital) and the printing press, with generous assistance from greedy white Big Brother types willing to sell his soul to the Jewish bankers.
Not saying MACHINES are “bad”, they have become a necessity. It’s those who CONTROL the machines that must be changed.
So I assert that race per se, has not helped us at all since the industrial revolution, The Civil War was lost because of the north’s greater manufacturing base, ditto World Wars one and two.
It is also worth noting that the scourge of Communism, Democracy, Equality and Diversity showed it’s ugly head about the same as the Industrial Revolution…Coincidence? Or Jewish controll of Banking/media etc.
@fender:
It is perfectly natural for you and any male to want to spead his seed far and wide. What is un-natural is that government has passed laws against men protecting their women from predatory males.
Imo, It is also natural and even more so for a man to want to KEEP a woman. In 1812 you would have probably been shot by now. ;)
Also, while healthy sex is healthy, sick sex is sick. When you are old you will regret not latching on to one special woman and keepin her. jmo
@Henry Baxley:
Well, as you implied the machines don’t have much independent life of their own. The machines are a tool and their effectiveness depends on who’s using them. Indeed, one of the problems facing economists is why the brown world hasn’t modernized even yet. Even though trillions of dollars have been poured into Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, they remain quite poor unless they happen to be sitting on top of a ton of oil.
The effectiveness of the north during the war was partly based on them being white people as well. If the North had been populated with Filipinos they would never have beaten the south no matter what kind of machines they had. Everywhere around the world it is the same story – it is the race of the people in a society that determine its well-being more than any other factor.
@fender:
Back when I was in college, I used to refuse to have sex with beautiful women all the time. Life is short. So why does it matter? I don’t feel like I am less happy because I live this way. A lot of other things make me less happy. This is not one of them.
I prefer to believe that my sexual access is valuable and my identity important. People who idealistically believe in monogamy will do this. It’s a very conservative position.
Or perhaps I have a lower sex drive. Maybe I have more anxiety. I am not in your shoes. In any case, I think people who value purity are more often ridiculed than those who don’t. And neither position should really antagonize the other. I want to believe in true love. A world without heartbreak. You do not. What difference does it make?
Interestingly, I think the concept of monogamy exists in Asian and White cultures, but not so much in Black ones. It’s the product of patriarchal inheritance and a lot of kinship politics. But I like it for what it is now.
@Jason Speaks:
I think the white race is really exceptional in that two white people are probably going to be more dissimilar from each other as two people from any other race. Look at all we have. Red hair. Blond hair. Brown hair. Black hair. Eyes. And it’s not just skin deep. This is true of our minds as well.
Almost all Chinese are Han Chinese with yellow skin, black hair, and brown almond eyes. The Nippon Japanese are the same. Collectivist cultures in general, which is basically all cultures that are not white, do not show much variation.
It is this variation that gives us the mental flexibility to innovate. To create and understand new technology. But it is this individualism that makes us vulnerable to invasion.
We are white because we are not white. We are the same because we are different. But we must come to realize that we cannot be invaded by a collectivist mentality.
@Cody S.:
I’ve often thought it was ironic that brown people are referred to as “people of color”, when it is Whites who quite literally have the most color variation in eyes, hair and skin.
@Jason Speaks:
Black people may be “people of color” but white people are “people of colors. Or have you ever thought about the future liberals talk about in which everyone is a milky brown color? That itself is a racist thought, since in any diverse and tolerant society people would be a variety of colors.
Tolerance is why an individualist society can handle a little immigration. We like what is different. But when you get too many people together who are different from most white people but the same to each other, problems arise. They begin to band together and to select for sameness. This is the collectivist seed. And it is the seed of our disunity as a nation.
@Jason Speaks:
Haven’t you heard the sorry old black joke about white folks turn red when they are angry, blue when they get cold, yellow when they are sick, brown when they go in the sun ….. and they call us colored?
@Richard Pierce:
Some of us hope (perhaps foolishly) that this can be more than a pity party. I think The Occidental Observer and Kevin MacDonald have given us a priceless opportunity to give our folks a place to come in from the cold, if we had the decency to live up to the standards he has set.
If Christianity is dead or doomed what harm is done by allowing we few, sad, remnants to hang out with you cool guys? If, on the other hand, you are not quite done with us, why alienate potential allies who come here by ranting endlessly about stupid Christians idiots? Or is your desire to vent you little frustrations the highest good?
@Alice Teller:
Funny! Black people often have a good sense of humor, especially ones raises in the South. I would say most people in the South have a personal affection for black folks. I think it’s important to stress that our concern for our people isn’t borne out of some ill will toward others.
@Jason Speaks:
Agreed. I heard a black conservative the other day joke about Martin had a dream and Jesse had a scheme. A very few are beginning to see how the civil rights leaders served themselves very well.
@Alice Teller:
I think many blacks realize how black civil rights leaders are self-promoters, but at the end of the day, they really don’t have a problem with it. So what if a brother got some for himself? That’s the attitude and it always will be. And they think that way right in the middle of their church sermons.
I just say all that to reminds us all, that it is race, race, and then race that matters. I have liked many black people, but I also have to be honest with myself about them. Warm feelings aren’t enough. It is always in their self-interest to transfer assets from Whites to themselves and they are not big on taking responsibility – and that is not just a “cultural” problem, which is what we White people have always wanted to believe.
Josephine, the blonde, blue-eyed May Queen.
http://youtu.be/fzG7Prjyvdw
@Sandy:
As a Scot could someone please explain what is supposed to be Scottish about both that racket and all those negroid gyrations on the video?
Sadly I don’t suppose we know enough about how pagan Europeans danced; I rather suspect your are very correct it was not what is essentially a crude and ghastly immitation of African tribal forms, which really are rather rather unique to Africa anyway.
Maypole dancing, which we know predates Roman incursions into Northern Europe gives us an idea (as do latter Christian attempts to shut such dances down).
Given our ancesteral climate and necessary affinity for precision in tool making, shelter making and disciplined agricultural time keeping I’m sure our prechristian dances were far more structured and practised; more like a square dance (Scottish Ceilidh) or the folk dancing we still see maintained by amateurs. Our European ancestors would have had as much fun practising and preparing for the days which involved dancing and in which young men and women would have had an opportunity to get acquainted.
@Jason Speaks:
“It is the race of a people that determine it’s well being more than any other factor”
Yes, I hear what your saying. I’m saying it’s the false BELIEFS of people that signal their doom, irregardless of color. If I jump off a bridge because I think I can fly, I will splatter on the rocks below. Color didn’t cause me to jump. If the bridge is white and the rocks below are black, It doesn’t matter how many times I crossed the bridge in the past, with the black rocks below. What matters is starting to think I can fly.
This country did ok in spite of having a large black population until people started to believe that separate is not equal. (changed their belief)
The false belief (imo) of judeochristianity was ok before technology linked all the continents, but has spelled racial suicide ever since.
Sure, homogeneous societies are better. As long as they BELIEVE they are.
@Alice Teller
Christians should take the advice of Christ, and remove that beam in their own eye before trying to remove the speck in others.
Again – the Christians here take even the mildest form of criticism as “hate” and respond with quite colorful invective against the personal characters of the seculars – describing them as sexual degenerates, masturbators, Jew shills, and the like. It’s telling that they resort to personal attacks when the religion/ideology of Christianity is criticized.
Consider your fellow Judeo-Christian’s attacks on a secular in this very thread:
I sense that you do not understand or honor the virtue of chastity. … you don’t seem to have the healthiest mind … Your comments lack hope and often try to undermine the hope of other people. … And you seem to reduce all of life to the material…. There are other things about some of your comments in general that don’t seem healthy or decent.
Sound familiar? Jews also use the same tactic, and use personal ad homineum to respond to any criticism of their Jew ideology. Must be a YHWH thing.
I don’t think anybody here is a “pagan” that “believes” in Odin, it seems there are a few people who don’t accept the mythological history of the Bible, and don’t find any use in the Christian religion.
Go fix your own churches and leave the pagans to their beer and dancing. When you have something worthwhile to offer, please share, but frankly listening to some posters about how their don’t have sex and don’t masturbate is “too much information” as the kids might say.
I also must point out that there are a few here who seem musically illiterate. In a recent thread someone posted the “mantra video” which had a techno soundtrack, and some stick-in-the-mud complained it sounded like Negro music. Balderdash. Techno was invented by Kraftwerk – about the whitest group of musicians you could ever find – and it’s all done on that whitest of musical instruments – the computer.
The fact that millions of Negroes have copied the style doesn’t change the fact it’s a European art form, and that goes the same for the dancing and music mentioned on this thread.
@Henry Baxley:
I agree. If we could somehow convince all these other races to really BELIEVE in individualism, then we could get along. This would mean that they literally no longer see themselves as black, hispanic, or jewish. They would just see themselves as Americans. And this is the gambit. But I don’t think it is going to work. Other races are, in some ways, genetically programmed to be racist. And I am certainly upset that our leaders are pushing this on an American population that is far from being ok with taking the risk of being ethnically cleansed from the lands they control.
Buchanan predicted America will turn into a third world country by 2050. He was fired for publishing this prediction. I and many other people spent hard earned money to listen to his belief because it is one that is shared.
Our leaders have no right to force multi-culturalism on us. It is their duty to protect us from all enemies, foreign and domestic for the common good. They have failed us in this duty chasing a pipe dream. Now the question is, what do we do about it?
@Richard Pierce:
Kraftwerk’s ‘Trans Europe Express’ is so unique in its beat and rhythm. So evocative of traveling Europe by train and in the lyrics.
Kraftwerk – Trans Europe Express
@Richard Pierce:
Richard Pierce,
I didn’t want to respond to any of your comments under this thread, because some of them seem particularly nasty to me. Plus I didn’t really have much to say. And I’m not great with words. But since you chose to take one of my comments out of context and attach “judeo Christian” to it, I feel the need to respond.
First, I’m not a “judeo Christian”. And I haven’t been preaching any religion to anyone on this thread. I consider myself a Christian, but at this moment I’m not sure what that means.
As far as I know, no one on this thread has used the terms “masturbator” or “sexual degenerates”.
Second, I definitely stand by what I wrote in my comment to Fender. And hopefully I’ll respond to his response later. But I don’t like the way you sort of cut and pasted my words and used ellipsis to connect them.
Fender was the one who first brought up the issue of mental health in relationship to sexual activity, implying that people who don’t regularly engage in recreational sex are somehow not mentally balanced.
(And he sort of set up a straw man version of chastity. That is how a couple of the things in his comments seemed to me.) So I was merely defending chaste men and women by pointing out that Fender doesn’t seem to understand the virtue of chastity.
And he doesn’t seem to have the healthiest mind. I’m not saying he’s nuts or even “mentally ill” in the classic sense. But his comments do lack hope — several other commenters have pointed out that fact over the past months.
I’m not the first or only person to mention that Fender’s comments lack hope, and sort of undermine the hope of other people.
Not only that, but I admitted that I myself didn’t and still don’t have the greatest mental health. You conveniently left that out of your comment.
Here is what I wrote:
“I admit that I myself don’t have the healthiest mind. But since coming to understand and honor the virtue of chastity, my mental health (and life in general) has improved so much.”
Maybe I’ll add more to this comment later. I don’t know.
@Cody S.:
“What do we do about it?”
IMO we start by boycotting the system, networking among ourselves, Attack the false concept of equality (it really doesn’t exist) point out the folly of democratic institutions (mob rule) and throw a wrench in the machinery by voting for Ron Paul…Hes not anywhere near perfect. But if he was he wouldn’t be allowed to participate in the closed system.
Vote for Ron Paul, or don’t vote at all.
@Henry Baxley:
Unfortunately, we will not have the opportunity to vote for Ron Paul. So I am standing behind Romney. Boycott the system? I scored a 35 on the MCAT and earned an A average from a prestigious university. After one interview of seven in which the Indian interviewer told me I should have had Indian parents, I was denied at all institutions. I am having trouble finding a job. I don’t even know where to look.
It’s a nightmare, and boycotting it does not seem like an option to me. I need to find a place within this society, no matter how socialist it becomes, to fit in and contribute. I need a career. And if I publicly denounce the socialist trends as being racist, I myself am hunted down as being a racist and denied livelihood.
I appreciate this website and what it stands for. But there is nothing I can do if I boycott the system. More organization, better social integration, networking. These ideas make a lot of sense. But socializing our nation is a lot like herding cats. We all think differently. We have no sense of us.
What we can do is very limited. Perhaps if someone were able to impress in the general mind the racism belying the Trayvon Martin story, we could make some progress. We need people to be less open to experience and more open to new ideas.
And we really need to get along.
@Jason Speaks:
I said it was a very few. I certainly agree that race must be the boundary line, but just as we have been adversely affected by the culture in which we live, so have blacks. Human potential exists on a continuum. The culture will either bring out the best or the worst in any group. The current culture has done everything it can to prevent anyone from facing the consequences of their own actions. This has been a monstrous event for black folks. Prior to the civil rights movement, and all its goodies, American blacks were well on their way to a better life. Intelligent, hard working, educated blacks are painfully aware that affirmative action undermines all accomplishment. The brain drain from the black to the white community has been devastating for a community that had so few role models and mentors.
I will not on go, but a fair and honest argument can be made that Barack Obama might have accomplished a lot more if he had used his talents to being an honest leader of black America than he has as the affirmative action leader of all of America.
@Richard Pierce:
I am afraid that this is a chicken and the egg question. It is my perception that it always begins with the anti-Christians. This is, in my opinion, a two-fold problem. There is a subset here who adhere religiously to the theory that Christianity is the fatal flaw which has rendered us vulnerable to Jewish predation. There is another group of secular atheists who have been brainwashed by the larger culture to despise Christians as dumb, uneducated fools. Both feel completely entitled to vent all their anger and frustration on those of us who do not share their world views. You are quite right, sometimes it gets out of hand on both sides.
The fact is, generally, while Christians may, occasionally, offer advise on how to live, which may be unwelcome, this is different from those who attempt to drive all Christians out of the white freedom movement.
It seems to me that our disinformation system which calls itself a system of education, has reduced our ability to think of people who will noy confine themselves to pre-exisiting boxes. I am a Southern, white, Christian woman so I must be stupid, blind, sexless, sheep-like, fat and toothless. I am an educated white woman so I must be a feminist, castrating, promiscuous, humorless, presumptuous witch. I prefer to be none of those things and it drives people crazy. I can provide the quotes to prove it.
@Cody S.:
“I don’t even know where to look”
I hear you Brother. Between affirmative action, third world immigration, outsourcing, and mechanization. The white worker is SOL. If I were running things. I would fire all women with children at home below age six, subsidize those single income mothers to replace their lost wage.
This would open up millions of jobs overnight. Thats just for starters, I would jail those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, abolish the minimum wage law, pay for a one-way ticket for all jewish citizens to Israel, etc. etc.
Have you tried targeting your interest? Pick an industry you really love and start hanging with those people. Go where they go, do what they do, and join their social circle as far as possible. (If they won’t let you in the front door, sneak in the back door;)
@Cody S.:
Thank you for telling your tale. It is stories like yours that will move the most people over to our side of the fence. It will help people see that this is a real problem that is faced by real people, not some academic exercise. As I am sure you know you are in very good company. One of my sons had to go to Australia for work after college. Thanks to mining, their economy is booming.
Clearly a short term solution. Yes, we must stick together. Good Luck!
@Alice Teller:
I suspect your kind heartedness is giving blacks more potential than they actually posses. I just don’t think blacks were ever going to be an analogue to White society. If you look at they live in Africa in over 50 countries, that gives us a clue as to their natural state.
@Henry Baxley:
No you said something about race not being as important as machines. You said that since the Industrial Revolution race was no longer that important. Now you are saying that it is beliefs that are most important and not race.
@Jason Speaks:
No, it will not be an analogue, but it need not be as bad as it is now. We mustn’t ignore the effects on the black community of generations of miscegenation. Most blacks in America who are descendants of slaves are at least 20% white. It can make a difference.
@fender:
I still believe that you don’t understand the virtue of chastity. Or the good that it brings to the mind/body/spirit of individuals/society.
I don’t see chastity as the denial of pleasure or beauty. I think it is probably a major source of it; I think it can transform a person’s inner world into something beautiful and lively, and over time chaste minds affect the outer material world, making it more beautiful (and other good things.)
For me, it has given mental energy and clarity. I feel more alive. And maybe that is because semen is a source of life. I believe it is sacred.
I love beautiful White women and I appreciate their physical beauty as much as any person here. But I don’t crave them physically or see them as sexual meat or some kind of trophy. (I’m not saying that you, Fender, do.)
I think sexual desire is good and appropriate when it is God’s desire flowing through us, in order to bring new life into the world.
I think sexual lust is probably a source of major suffering, not really a beautiful or pleasurable experience. It might be a kind of illusion.
Of course if a person is outwardly chaste but still lustful on the inside, he will probably be miserable; like a person who thinks about food all day, but does not eat. That is why I think genuine mental chastity is so helpful.
And the good news is that chastity is not only possible, but it’s very simple. The media tell us that it’s basically impossible for men to have chaste minds, but there are probably some dark reasons for that.
I think pretty much all men are capable of physical and mental chastity, not just a select few.
It feels great to see beautiful White women as sisters and mothers, as family, as beautiful gifts from God.
Moving on.
I originally wrote: I sense that you do not understand or honor the virtue of chastity.
And then you responded by writing:
I want to clarify that when I used the word “honor” I meant “adherence to action or principles considered right”.
Regarding your phrase “making love to its beauties“:
Is someone who travels the world in order to have recreational sex with different women really coming from a place of actual love?
That seems more selfish than loving to me.
I don’t think “making love” is the most appropriate term. It seems like you are trying to satisfy physical lust/desire. If you truly love those women, wouldn’t you want to do what you can to help with their long-term happiness and fulfillment? How do their fathers and brothers (or future husbands) feel about what you are doing? If you genuinely care about her, you would care about them by extension.
I would want those beautiful women to have a strong, handsome husband. I love beautiful White couples, and especially beautiful healthy families.
I want to add something that is sort of related to the content of my comment here, but not really written for you, Fender.
I’m opposed to pornography and masturbation. But there is a common assumption that men who look at pornography and masturbate see women as nothing more than physical objects. And I don’t think that is always the case. I just wanted to add that.
If any forgiveness is necessary (from you, Fender) or from anyone else reading this, then please forgive me. I know I’m far from perfect.
@Jason Speaks:
Exactly. Machines artificially changed peoples beliefs about race and gender. Having more people on the assymbly line accrues to the benefit of the machine owners. But make slaves of those who run them. It doesn’t matter what color or gender they are. Also, people will work with anyone to feed their family “the economy stupid”
However, sooner or later, the piper must be paid. Since machines are not natural, men and women, black and white forced to run them are not natural. All the stress from working in such an unnatural environment is vented at home with “domestic violence” etc. leading inexorably to the destruction of first marriage, and then finally the race itself
If we had intelligent and BENEVOLENT rulers. The machines could still be run in segregated industries, fewer hours, greater production, and less stress.
Speaking of race. it is I think, important to note that the end of slavery did not result in racial integration. It gradually happened in direct proportion to
One, “Rosie the Riveter”> gender equality
Two, mechanization of farm labor> black people forced into cities to look for, you guessed it, Work on assymbly lines.
Rosie Riveting all day….Her black helper handing her the rivets all day… her husbands away fighting a Jew War…Its not rocket science.
@Henry Baxley:
You have said anything that supports your claim that race is not the most fundamental issue determining the outcome of a society. You said:
Since machines are not natural, men and women, black and white forced to run them are not natural.
I don’t think that it true. Man has been using tools for several hundred thousand years (or at least since the days of Adam). Using tools or machines doesn’t make humans necessarily unnatural. Anyway, if you have a society with 100 million Whites and another with 100 million blacks, with exactly the same machinery, capital, culture, religion, education and beliefs, in one generation, the White society will be FAR better off. The black one will have fallen far behind. Race is the most fundamental.
All the stress from working in such an unnatural environment is vented at home with “domestic violence” etc. leading inexorably to the destruction of first marriage …
Society had far more domestic violence in the past. And there was more violence in general the further back you go.
@Jason Speaks:
“Man has been using tools for several hundred thousand years”
If you consider a rock a tool then you are right. You win. end of disscussion.
@Jason Speaks:
Jason here is a little test I designed especially for you…
The Sun rises in the east. True or False?
@Henry Baxley:
Rocks are tools if they are fashioned and used in a highly peculiar manner, especially if that methodology is passed on to future generations. But we have been beyond mere rocks for over 10,000 years. Human beings were using sophisticated tools long, long ago. You seem motivated to find some other explanation besides race.
@Jason Speaks:
Wrong, The Sun rises in the east.
@Jason Speaks:
“Black people often have a good sense of humor, especially those raised in the south.”
First you say it’s race, now you say it’s where you are raised???
@Jason Speaks:
The industrial revolution happened approximately two hundred years ago. NOT ten thousand. You seem to think banging two rocks together is modern technology.
@Jason Speaks:
“It is race race and then race that matters”
How do you explain one Identical twin being gay, and the other not??????
Hi Richard Pierce,
(I use your full name instead of just “Richard” because my name is Richard also, and that might confuse other readers.)
I want to apologize for something I wrote yesterday.
I want to apologize for using the adjective “particularly nasty” (in this comment here @Richard: ) to describe some of your comments under this thread.
I was referring mostly to your comments about Catholic priests, and I thought that adjective was appropriate.
Since you were bringing me into one of your debates with another member, I thought it was okay and fair to share my thoughts on your comments. But, in hindsight, I should not have used the words “particularly nasty”.
If I could go back and edit it, I would use the phrase “unnecessarily offensive.”
Actually, I think the phrase “particularly nasty” is unnecessarily offensive, so it’s somewhat ironic.
I don’t know if this apology means much. I’m not really asking or expecting a reply. I just wanted to apologize because it seems like the right thing to do.
And to be clear, I’m not a Catholic, and I’m not sure I even support Catholicism. But I think there are more constructive ways to address the issues that you bring up. (Most of us can improve in that area — being more constructive.) I understand that Christians aren’t always graceful, and how that can frustrate non-Christians.
My comment above (@Richard: ) was supposed to be addressed to Richard Pierce@Richard Pierce:
@Henry Baxley:
I’m saying that race is the most fundamental issue that determines what kind of society you have. My comment about blacks in the South, was about the culture and people of the South that affect blacks. I said “primarily” race is most important, not that it is exclusive. There are other, less important factors. You seem to just be playing word games.
@Henry Baxley:
Genes are the most fundamental driver of human action. I didn’t say, nor does anyone, that they are the ONLY drivers. I think you should spend some time reading MacDonald’s work or perhaps reading a couple of books on evolutionary psychology. This would be more valuable than making random theories up out of thin air on your own and creating online “church” like you have.
But you are illustrative of the kind of person that denies race and genes are the most fundamental drivers of human society.
@Jason Speaks:
“I’m saying race is the most fundamental issue that determines what kind of society you have”
I’m saying your wrong. Environment is MORE important. Unless of course you have some grand new theory to replace Evolution.
@Jason Speaks:
“Race is the most fundamental issue that determines what kind os society you have”………Then; ” Genes are the most fundamental driver of human action”
If the former were true, Whites would still be running South Africa, And if the latter were true, white Americans, Who are still the majority, would not be facing Race extenction.
Did white people suddenly develope a “suicidal” Gene in the last 200 years?
Clearly there are other things at work, Things that you and many others are afraid to contemplate.
@Jason Speaks:
“You are illustrative of the kind of person that denies race and Genes are the most fundamental drivers of human society”
Finally you say something thats true. In the MODERN AGE race and genes are SECONDARY to ENVIRONMENT!
Your argument;
You can’t make a race horse out of a plow horse, nor a plow horse out of a race horse. Genetics
My argument;
You can force a race horse to plow and a plow horse to race…Environment!
Things have been happening since the Industrial Revolution that have very little to do with race but very much to do with human dysgenics. But appearently you are indicative of the type of person that can’t climb out of their conceptual box.
Tell me something Jason. In your little world where genes and/or race is the single best predictor of how well that society will do. How do you explain a majority white nation electing a black president??? Did the genes just go on vacation that election year? Or did Big Brothers PROGRAMMING (environment) over-ride the Genes?
This should be interesting.
It does kind of look like a luau. Then that one had the belly dancer hip gyrations down pat.
I was thinking that they might do something really cool like doff some white robes and light a cross. Lol. Do you know Mr Ayak?
But then I saw the fat lesbo with her tetas flapping and I realized it was just a bunch of
hippies.
The article had some good points nonetheless.
@Henry Baxley:
You confuse the potential with the actual. Genes determine (to a great extent) the potential (talents & character) not the actual (circumstances & decisions), but even the actual can often be explained as a function of the potential.
Whites are intelligent, creative, enterprizing and they can organize. Give these people a wilderness and they will transform it into a flourishing civilization. Blacks lack these qualities. Give a flourishing civilization to Blacks and they will transform it into a wilderness. You can find confirmation of this in recent history.
If this is true then why have Whites lost control over South Africa, chose Barak Obama as president and face racial extinction? Well the fact that you have the potential to rule doesn’t mean that actually you allways will rule. There may be circumstances and decisions that may change that. If the black majority rebels massively against white minority rule and if Whites themselves decide that such rule is immoral then their rule will end even if they still have the talent to rule. And if a majority white nation decides that “racism” is morally wrong and naively believes that chosing a black president will lead to a “postracial” utopia then it will have a black president. And if white nations can be persuaded that “race doesn’t exist” and that it therefore doesn’t matter what race immigrants belong to, then they may indeed face racial extinction. But even these actual events can be explained as functions of the potential character. Whites are also prone to abstract idealism and universal altruism and these characteristics can be exploited. This is what is happening now.
History is neither the story of only the potential nor of only the actual but of what actually happened with the potential.
So it’s a question of the interaction of the potential and the actual, but the fact that the potential is mainly genetically determined remains.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
P.S.
Yes, but you’ll have to ask yourself how well will the race horse plow and how well will the plow horse race? Genetics!
@Henry Baxley:
First off, environment affects genes. They are not totally separate forces in that sense. The environment provides selection forces which influence which genes survive and propagate and which ones die out. But it takes many generations for genes to have any significant change, and in fact, it is usually a very long time.
In the MODERN AGE race and genes are SECONDARY to ENVIRONMENT!
This is absolutely untrue. In fact, it is almost the opposite. Selection pressures from the environment have LESS impact than they did before the Industrial Revolution. Modern science and technology allow a great number of people to survive and reproduce that would never have made it before. So, there is a slightly dysgenic effect, until and unless we take a more responsible proactive role through eugenics.
As I have said three times now, if all the White people were removed from Germany and you replaced them with 100 million people from black Africa, in one generation, they would not be making BMWs or much of anything else – and you know that.
Don’t get confused folks, this is just more Marxism that has crept into all facets of modern culture. These are the same hippies/activists you will encounter at any Earth First rally, Occupy protest, or any alternative lifestyle gathering. This stuff you see on the video is about as far from any culturally European, let alone Gaelic, tradition.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
All this talk about potential vs. actual, while some might choose to debate it, is beside the point.
Jason likes to heap ridicule and insults on those who appear to be examining, however tentatively, the prospect that other things INDEPENDANT of Genes, race may be involved, (such as mass transportation leading to transculturation, *machines*)
Of course anyone can be wrong, (even me ;0) But I refuse to be insulted and demeaned simply for disagreeing with his simplistic, black and white answers to any and all questions. to him, machines don’t exist, or if they do, they’re either black machines or white machines.
@Jason Speaks:
“It takes many generations for genes to undergo any significant change, usually a very long time”
Wrong again. Researchers recently observed dramatic genetic change in the beak size of an isolated population of Darwin’s finches on the Galapagos Islands in only two years due to a climate driven scarcity of their main food source
@Jason Speaks:
“Modern science and technology allow a great number of people to survive that never would have made it before, so there is a slightly dysgenic effect”
So you ADMIT you were wrong about machines having nothing to do with social degeneration.
Maybe you should re-think my “crack-pot” theory I “pulled out of the air”
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Not very well, because they were ATIFICIALLY FORCED to go against their nature.
Environment.
@Henry Baxley:
And yet you are very willing to insult and demean those who disagree with any position with which you disagree. A little intellectual honesty is called for here.
I presume you hope to convert folks to your religion, the tactics you use are not likely to be helpful in that effort.
@Alice Teller:
Well that certainly was dumb! Any position that you favor.
@Henry Baxley:
It really does not take as long as people think to see significant change in a population. The Ashkenazi Jews, for instance, gained their whole intellectual advantage over a period of about 200 years, suffering some genetic load in the process. But the point is that it did not take very long.
The problem with races is not that they are unchangable, it is that they hate individualistic society. I heard socialists all the time claim that race does not even exist, but at the same time, the very institutions that they built were founded on racist principles. Therefore I was put on a team.
Ayn Rand makes a cogent argument that socialist cultures breed racism. You can watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdeI9NfbfT8
@Henry Baxley:
The whole point is that no matter how much you change the environment you never can change the performance that is based on genetics. In the human sphere you see this for example with Blacks. No matter how excellent education you give them, they still underperform. Genetics always beats environment, contrary to Marxist belief.
Modern society with all its machines has indeed changed life dramatically, but human groups have essentially remained the same, as their genes dictate.
As for your remark about the accelerated evolution of Darwin finches on the Galapagos Islands, that is an interesting point. However, it doesn’t change the basic idea of evolution, which is : change by the selection of genes due to environmental pressure, only the process is more accelerated. Maybe this is a concrete case of “punctuated equilibrium” of which Stephen Jay Gould speaks.
@Alice Teller:
One can deride Natural Polarization and/or the laws of nature all day and I won’t get upset, But when you assail my Character the battle is on.
Also, your BELIEF in Christianity does not make you a bad person, Just mistaken (in my opinion, which I have a right to) and I have never personally insulted you. Unless you want to take the part of Zionist Christians, who I freely admit to insulting on occasion. If you are not a zionist Christian I WASN”T addressing you. in fact, I have paid you the highest compliment possible when I said you should be on a white Counsel of Elders DESPITE your Christian beliefs.
It is instructive that no one is willing to challenge my assertions directly, with facts. but are ready to impune my integrity nontheless.
@Cody S.:
Exactly;
Race will manifest in a NATURAL setting. But we don’t live in a natural setting anymore, and haven’t for the last hundred years.
@Henry Baxley: /
The lines you draw seem very thin to me. I certainly am not a Christian Zionist, but I think if you review your comments you may find that in the heat of battle some insulting things have been said regarding Christians in general. It is neither helpful to white unity and comity nor to your own goals. Lets keep it civil boys.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
My premise is that intellectually inferior races can NOT displace a smarter people unless the latter consent to it. Therefore RACE is not the problem. the problem is in our own people.
Moreover, that problem only began showing up in the form of mass racial mixing in the last 50 years. so what change did our people undergo in the last fifty years?
Answer; GENDER EQUALITY.
Made possible by machines, and made mandatory by big brother and the Jews. with generous help from the judeochristian herd.
What people don’t seem to appreciate is that most people, especially women, don’t see blacks as a threat, but rather an OPPORTUNITY to enlarge their gene pool. But uncontrolled multiculturalism IS a threat to civilization because the institution of marriage and the nuclear family can’t exist together with free sex….one has to GO!
@Alice Teller:
Yes Mame!
@Richard:
Richard, I don’t believe chastity is a virtue to begin with. To me it’s a form of life denial. Your personal philosophy, particularly your comment about lust leading to pain, strikes me as a very ascetic worldview. What doesn’t lead to pain in some way? Asceticism, stoicism, Christianity, buddhism, etc. are philosophies I do not follow because they seek to make man as small as possible. They are based on the worldview that existence is fundamentally painful and that the only way to stop such pain is to stop wanting things, to stop willing, to stop seeking.
I believe in egoism, the will to power, and aristocratic values. I believe in strength and beauty. That’s my personal philosophy, and beautiful women obviously play a big part in it. Your comments about healthy White families are well-taken, but people in their teens and 20s are not looking to start families, they are looking to live life and have a bit of fun. Nothing wrong with that. I believe life is neutral, neither pain or pleasure on its own. But, since there is no ultimate meaning to life (at least, probably not), the proud, aristocratic, and positive man will give life its own meaning and do with it what he wants.
@fender:
@fender:
Sorry about my previous (blank) comment.
@fender:
I want to respond to at least this one part of your comment.
Regarding chastity, you wrote:
I went back and found my original quote:
I think sexual lust is probably a source of major suffering, not really a beautiful or pleasurable experience. It might be a kind of illusion.
Ascetism is usually defined as the denial of pleasure or something like that. And that is definitely not what my experience of chastity (of body and mind) has been. It’s the opposite.
I might respond to other parts of your comment later on.
@Richard:
Sexual lust is totally unnecessary. I do not often feel it, and I do not feel like I am missing out on anything. It is, after all, just an illusion. The purpose of sex is reproduction.
Am I an ascetic? No, I am not even suffering. I am just not plagued by a continual greed for reproduction, which would be unhealthy for me since I can’t afford a family right now.
I used to feel horny all the time when I was a teenager, and you know what? It was pointless. It was just a waste of energy and a vestige from savage times. It is better to be able to make reproductive decisions rationally. No abortions necessary. No birth control and complicated heartbreak. Basically the whole point of being overly horny is to try to force your genes into the next generation irrationally and parasitically. To trick the virgin into having sex with you. That is why people feel this way. And, annoyingly, it works. And that’s why people continue to feel that way.
Why do people think that hypersexuality is good? It’s just the desire to have a feeling, like the craving for a drug. I remember it. And it was pointless. I feel better now that I am grown up and do not think about that all the time.
The entire existence of hypersexuality annoys me. It’s primitive. Why has this become a huge cultural trend? I blame the socialists. What was it that Marx said he wanted in The Communist Manifesto? A “community of women”. And of course, Engels was praising the virtues of savagery in On the Origin of Family, Private Property, and the State.
@Cody S.:
I’m not sure where to begin or what to write.
A few days ago, when I read your first comment (about the roles of men and women) under this article, you seemed like an exceptionally intelligent and wise person.
Then I read one of your subsequent comments (@Cody S.:) and was even more impressed.
Anyway, thanks for coming here and sharing your thoughts on T.O.O.
Developing a chaste mind has been one of the best, maybe the best, decision of my life. I have so much more life and love inside me now. I love others so much more, and I’ve accomplished so much more.
And my accomplishments aren’t really motivated by selfishness.
I write this not to boast, but to give credit to chastity of body and mind; and to encourage others to consider developing a chaste mind. It’s very simple, and much easier than the media/popular culture want us to believe.
Thanks again, Cody.