Werner Karl Heisenberg (1901 – 1978)
God has entrusted me with myself
Epictetus (AD 55 – 135)
At the tender age of twenty-two Werner Heisenberg received an invitation to the mediaeval town of Göttingen and its internationally renowned University, there to follow a discourse of one of the era’s most respected scientists. Who intended, as the awed audience had been informed in advance, to explain his latest conclusions regarding a consistent quantum theory that would replace classical mechanics and electrodynamics at the atomic level and be adequate for treating all aspects of the atomic world.
The man was Niels Bohr from Denmark, director of Copenhagen’s Institute for theoretical Physics. While Heisenberg attended the lecture, he noticed somewhere in the labyrinthine argument a serious flaw and dared to point it out to the great man. Who immediately recognized the young student’s scope of insight and invited him for a long walk in the adjacent hills. During the encounter, which lasted a few hours, both submerged themselves in the intricacies of the wondrous new science. For Heisenberg the meeting became a watershed. His entire scientific perception, based until then on a strictly classical approach, changed overnight.
I understood for the first time that the knowledge of any conceptual coherence did not spring from a mathematical analysis of the underlying facts, but an intensive preoccupation with the phenomenon that made it possible to grasp the inherent relations in an intuitive way.
A firm friendship developed between the two men. It led to a cooperation which produced marked advances in the task of unraveling an increasingly intricate nuclear riddle. When Heisenberg, not yet twenty-six years old, laid the theoretical foundations for a workable model that came to be called quantum mechanics, meaning how exactly an atomic nucleus and its many different planetary bodies were interacting, Bohr enlarged on the findings and brought them to a sound conclusion.
The combined effort caused extensive attention in international scientific circles, and Heisenberg’s genius was lauded accordingly. This with the outspoken exception of Albert Einstein who never seems to have understood the knotty configuration. In 1927 Heisenberg accepted the post of Ordinarius, or full professor, for theoretical physics in Leipzig. This was the first time in his career that he felt free to manage his own curriculum. He quickly built a circle of dedicated followers and established far-reaching contacts in the scientific world. His fame was by now such that students arrived from every corner of the world, and he instructed them scrupulously while employing their new-won skills in his own experimental research.
Yet while engrossed in these highly sophisticated pursuits, he was forced to observe every day more clearly how the world around him began to slide towards upheaval and chaos. The Wall Street stock market crash of 1929 had horrendous repercussions in Germany, a country continuously bled to its bones by the criminal Versailles instalments, because it happened just at a time when the faltering economy had begun to develop a measure of momentum again. With the result that unemployment soared to an hitherto unknown scale. Abject poverty and its attached miseries, like thieving, prostitution or downright murder, became rampant. Whole segments of the society began to form ideological blocks that were radically opposed to each other. The Moscow-financed communist Spartacus Bund controlled their quarters by driving around in sequestered lorries while openly brandishing guns and rifles, and Hitler’s SA soon followed suit in their own fiefs. Which led increasingly to full-blown street battles that were ignored by the established authorities.
What little wealth the country still called its own had been largely impounded by a tribe of money acrobats who knew how to turn the general suffering into enormous personal profit. Small wonder thus that by the end of the decade about 112 of the 115 Berlin banks were Jewish-owned. This ever recurrent scenario, based on a pathological lack of moderation, criminal greed and the total absence of any humane considerations, played an important part in the developments that led finally to Hitler’s ascension in 1933.
Hitler immediately concentrated the country’s entire executive power in his own hands by severing the Gordian knot of a stifling parliamentary encumbrance. Which enabled him to initiate far-reaching reforms, including a forced exodus of the money acrobats whose financial stranglehold was thus crushed overnight and replaced by a carefully balanced monetary system that benefited every honest citizen. The results were breathtaking. Within three years Germany rose like a Phoenix from the ashes. Its dignity was restored, law and order began to prevail again. The economy recovered and became healthy and strong.
Small wonder thus that a large part of the populace adored the Führer and saw in him what he increasingly believed to be himself, namely a divinely empowered Messiah with the directive to save humanity from auto-destruction.
Christian Misgivings about Hitler and National Socialism
It is here that among Heisenberg and like-minded Christian Germans the first serious misgivings began to crop up and develop with time into sincere moral dissent. Because many people, and particularly those whose beliefs were firmly grounded in Christianity, were forced to observe that their glorious new Leader had not only saved them from certain chaos and ruin, but also aimed for their hearts, minds and souls by disseminating a credo that was as far removed from Christ’s teachings as a pagan bonfire from the stars in the sky.
This credo soon became overpowering in every aspect of daily life. As, for example, in staunchly Catholic Bavaria. Here the inhabitants used to salute each other since time immemorial with a friendly Grüss Gott, or Greetings to the Lord, but were henceforth prevailed upon to snap up the right arm and yell Hail Hitler instead.
On the visual level the new doctrine became even more apparent. The Crucifix, until then present wherever one went, drowned nationwide in a sea of gaudy red banners that displayed the black Swastika prominently in a white circle. Many Christians were repelled by the new doctrine, seeing it as emphasizing FORCE , an unforgiving Nature’s preference of the strong over the weak, the divine unconcern of a hawk striking a mouse, and the certainty that gentleness created lambs in a country of wolves.
If seen against the very recent history, and particularly the terrible injustice of the Versailles treaties and its resulting destitution, it is small wonder that such seeds fell on fertile ground.
Hitler was too intelligent, too clever a manipulator, and thus wisely refrained from an open rupture with the established church. He and his favourite minions created a kind of Dark Grail instead, symbolically kept in the Wewelsburg, a massive castle not far from where in AD 9 Herman the Cherusker and his Teutons had annihilated the invading Romans under Publius Quinctilius Varus to the last man. Here the higher echelons of the Führer’s praetorian guard, the SS with its sinister emblem of Skull-and-Bones, indulged themselves in fantasies of a Brave New World under a strictly Aryan leadership.
Thus it was, within limits, possible that believers and disbelievers alike could live side by side and express their different creeds without hindrance.
Heisenberg and the Atomic Bomb
As to university life, a major debacle happened when large numbers of Jewish professors and their assistants were forced to leave Germany. Heisenberg deeply regretted this, and openly spoke out against it. But when old colleagues encouraged him to turn his back on Germany as well, he refused downright. One reason was his deep and near mystical love for his country. Another perhaps the knowledge that the removed scientists had been, due to a rigorous inter-tribal cohesion, over-represented. Yet it defined his position within the new regime, and when he received the Nobel prize and was asked shortly afterwards to publicly express his solidarity with the Führer, he declined the invitation quietly but firmly.
His position, understandably, was henceforth precarious, but his professional standing such that it made him one of the leading authorities in nuclear science worldwide, and thus fairly invulnerable. An uneasy status quo was the result, and he continued to teach and research unhindered while his fame grew steadily.
Until the end of 1938, when a veritable thunderclap shook the scientific world to its very foundations. It happened after Otto Hahn, a nuclear chemist and director of the Berlin Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institute, discovered nuclear fission by bombarding a Uranium nucleus with neutrons. His findings paved the way for a concept of a nuclear chain reaction that promised, if properly tamed, to unleash an amount of energy so gigantic that it defied human imagination.
Prometheus thus, or the Wizard’s apprentice who fiddled with his Master’s most secret spells and found himself overwhelmed by them.
When Werner Heisenberg read the rather arid exposé in a scientific magazine, he must have realized instantly the true scope of the discovery. And perhaps he too felt the earth heaving under his feet. Because what it implied was on one hand a near inexhaustible production of nuclear energy for peaceful means, or alternately the construction of a bomb with an explosive force a thousand times stronger than any weapon known until then.
It was the moment when a terrible predicament began to unfold, because he knew perfectly well what kind of confrontation would sooner or later come his way.
And it came.
The top echelons in the Heereswaffenamt, or Army Weapons Department, had realized early on that Otto Hahn’s findings might lead to the construction of a weapon that could beat all others by far. But since the whole issue smouldered still in its purely theoretical stage and needed extensive practical research to prove its feasibility, it was decided to coordinate all efforts by placing them under the control of the one man most versed in the complex science.
In September 1939 war had been declared on Germany, a largely unforeseen move that enhanced the importance of advanced weapons technology accordingly, and Heisenberg received orders to present himself at the Heereswaffenamt. There, during a tense meeting, he was told that the possibilities concerning a practical utilization of nuclear fission must be seriously explored. The organizational frame for this undertaking was quickly established. By appropriating the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institute for Physics in Berlin, the German Nuclear Energy Project saw the light of day. It should have grown, as it happened later in the USA, quickly out of all proportions, and this simply because its leading protagonists were some of the world’s brightest minds who at that moment knew better than anybody else what they were dealing with and how exactly the bomb could be built. Yet the effort never managed to mature beyond infancy.
The reason for this strange state of affairs was Heisenberg himself, who, as director of the entire project, conducted research in such a way that would have, if recognized by his superiors, landed him immediately in the dungeons of the Gestapo and, at a remove, on the guillotine.
This because he had realized by now, just like a handful of scientists the world over, how unbelievably hideous and horrible the new invention might turn out on the practical level. Namely as a bomb whose destructive power would result, as estimated in those days, in a hole about one mile deep and a glazed desert with a radius of at least forty miles wide. Meaning that if it were dropped on London or Paris, not a single brick would be left standing while millions of human beings perished in the monstrous firestorm.
When Professor Hahn, who looked and behaved like a quintessential patrician out of a Thomas Mann novel, met Heisenberg shortly after the latter’s instalment, he declared unequivocally: “I’d rather die than build the bomb!”
And that was that. Thus an ethically correct sentiment, no doubt, yet it would have been the easiest way out. Because Heisenberg and the small inner circle of his staff, all men with a strong Christian foundation, knew what would happen eventually. Namely that other countries might feel less encumbered by moral restraints and indeed build the terrible weapon. Particularly the USA, where so many Jewish scientists had found refuge after their enforced German exodus. And who all nourished a massive grudge against their former country of birth.
Thus from now on a terrible dilemma began to overshadow Heisenberg’s life. Because just as he was capable of performing the most complex combinations on a scientific level, he understood as well the obvious consequences and repercussions of whatever political and moral decision he must finally opt for.
Whose choice had to be gleaned from the following alternatives.
Follow his Christian conscience and, at the risk of his life and that of his colleagues, pretend that the whole thing was nothing but a chimera, a wild-goose-chase bound to consume mountains of money and working hours while simply leading into nowhere? And to launch this ruse with the clear understanding that other countries were less inhibited and conducted their own nuclear program with all possible speed?
Or entrust Hitler with the bomb while hoping that it would never be used, but instead constitute a iron-clad status quo which nobody dared to upset? It is a fair guess that he would not have dropped it on London or New York. Perhaps just a bit outside to make his point. Which might have avoided the whole bloody war and Germany’s utter destruction.
This last alternative could have been a reasonably suitable idea, though always provided nothing went wrong. Because what if the Allies’ puppet leaders and their criminal minders were escalating the conflict to a point of no return, cocksure of themselves and impervious to the risk it exemplified for innumerable innocent bystanders? What if the Führer was forced to use the terrible weapon, simply because he saw no other way out?
A highly possible scenario, because the so-called minders employed, as perfectly known among the initiated, their gigantic wealth to exert all the political influence necessary to further their illicit aims. Minders who in losing Germany lost a territory from which they exerted power and therefore were determined to re-conquer it at all cost (see Louis Marschalko, The Real War Criminals). Minders who had declared war on Germany already as early as 1933. Minders, in short, who could not care less about millions of dead Christian soldiers and civilians if that got them what they wanted to get.
These considerations apart, there simmered of course the agonizing question of whether a man could be entrusted with the bomb whose essential ethical outlook was diametrically opposed to Christ’s message of Love and Compassion. Because might he not decide to drop it on the Russians, a people he saw for inexplicable reasons as racially inferior and whose lands he coveted for the sake of a Greater Germany?
Someone might come forward and state convincingly that he, Werner Heisenberg, could never be held in any way responsible for the decision to utilize the terrible weapon. An empty consolation though, because in the final analysis it would be always he, and he alone, who had facilitated the means to make its use possible.
Divested of all colourful decorum, and seen in the cold and inscrutable light of objective Truth, he could not but acknowledge that it depended solely on his own decision if he were to perpetrate the greatest sin ever committed in the history of man.
As it is, he would not…
But he made a last attempt to turn the tide. Profoundly depressed, and after more consultations with his closest collaborators, he decided to visit Nils Bohr in Copenhagen. This happened at a time when the precise understanding of how to utilize Otto Hahn’s discovery for a nuclear chain reaction was still limited to a known group of about twelve scientists worldwide. Heisenberg attempted therefore to convince Bohr of the urgent necessity of establishing a consensus among the twelve men that would, for humanitarian reasons and an indefinite span of time, ban all further research on the terrible weapon.
An utterly naïve and pointless endeavour, as he conceded on his return. Because the two men had drifted too far apart. So far in fact that not a shred of their former strong bond was left. Bohr, whose mother was Jewish, had no patience with Heisenberg’s more subtle approach where present-day Germany was concerned. All he could see was a country that had fallen into the hands of an evil and racist despot who must be eradicated all cost. Long since informed about developments in the USA, he left not long after Heisenberg’s departure and involved himself vigorously in the Manhattan nuclear project at Los Alamos.
Back home Heisenberg and his friends continued to fool the authorities, so much so that their work, and the ridiculously small funds they asked for its continuation, made them an increasingly insignificant side-show of the ever escalating war.
Germany, thank God, succumbed before the bomb came into play, and it was the privilege of Nagasaki’s civilians to be the first who witnessed its destructive power. As for Heisenberg’s lovely old Würzburg, its fate was only marginally less horrible.
Würzburg 1945
The bomb as such has spawned three siblings, each more hideous and devastating than the next. Euphemistically called the Neutron Bomb, Hydrogen Bomb and Cobalt Bomb, although the latter was never tested. This because there hunkers a reasonable suspicion that it might ignite a chain reaction which will only end once the entire planet’s surface has been transformed into a smouldering wasteland. Though it is rumoured the Likudniks keep one under the bed, just in case.
As to the ugly toys’ midwives, they were Robert Oppenheimer, Edward Teller, Samuel T. Cohen and Leo Slizard.
And perhaps it needed a class of men unencumbered by the ethical restrictions of a Christian faith to pull the whole thing through and bring it to a practical conclusion
As for Werner Heisenberg, it can be only imagined how he must have suffered in silence for the rest of his life.
Michael Colhaze’s website is http://www.michael-colhaze.biz. Email him.
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Actually the Spartacus Bund was founded 1914 (beginning of World War I) and lasted until 1919, when it became a part of the KPD (Communist Party of Germany). Some of the founders of Spartacus Bund were -what surprise- jews like Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht.
My view is different from almost everyone else’s… the ‘atom bomb’ was a fraud. It’s only control of information that made it seem credible. There’s a lot more … see nukelies.org
Par tof the Jewish bullshit was the pretence of a super bomb – the whole atom spies/ McCarthy thing was to pretend (a) that these bombs exist, (b) that the Jewish-run USSR was armed in a way to keep the USA out. It’s *possible* without the nuke BS that Stalin’s ‘Russia’ and its Jews would have been invaded, defeated, and their secret revealed.
See nukelies.org
Alice Teller wrote this under another article but I thought it was important enough to post it on a more current thread to solicit perspectives…
I am very happy that Japan was nuked twice. If the US had ten nukes in 1945..five nukes for Japan..five nukes for Nazi Germany. Why exactly are the Nazis preferable to the Soviets? I’ll take the Stalin-Soviet Russia and Russia 1953 to the present.
Wow, if what you are saying is true, Heisenberg tried through the uncertainty principle to thwart the making of the bomb and the Jewish scientists were the ones to follow it through. It is quite disquieting to know that this same uncertainty principle is being used to by global warming scientists to control us and politicians to tax everyone for fear that it just may be true. Those who dissent are equated with Nazis and holocaust deniers. It is so insidious.
“In September 1939 war had been declared on Germany, a largely unforeseen move “- are you sane and sober?!!! So- poor, peace-loving Germany was just sweetly yodeling when those treacherous Poles attacked them heading straight for Berlin,right? I am almost used to Jewish confabulations,but our own whoppers still cause my innocent cheeks flush red when confronted with re-nazification of history.Shame on you !
What a refreshing view of Heisenberg. The popular press insults him. It’s a perfectly reasonable explaination for why Germany failed to develop the atomic bomb.
wattylersrevolt:
I think part of the reason why people find the Nazis more prefereable to the Soviets is that the Soviets murdered over 66 million white Christian Russians and the Nazi’s are purported to have wanted to defend them and Europe. While the Nazi’s were involved in mass murders on the eastern front, people exuse this because it was done under the pretense of Stalin breaking their agreement concerning partisan fighters. Hence, the mass murders the Nazi committed were “legal” because these people were partisans and mostly “Jews”. Also, the amount of people the Nazis executed was no where near to the wholesale murders of the Jewish Soviets…acts that are scarcely paralleled in all human history.
protorenaissance:
Actually, Germany had pretty much finished an agreement with Poland for Poland to return the land in dispute. While this was happening, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were working in cahoots to destroy their desire for a peaceful resolution to their dispute. The Jewish Soviets sent in teams of agents and mass murdered over 20,000 ethnic Germans which put Hitler in a bind. Thus, Hitler wa put under major pressure to rescue them but in doing so he knew it would be reported as an invasion. Hitler went in, rescued the Germans, withdrew, and reentered the peace agreement process. Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill, pissed that Hitler escaped their trap decided something further had to be done to pin their desired war on him so soon after, Stalin invaded Poland from the east which forced Hitler to do so from the west in a defensive move. Of course, the Jewish press reported Hitler was the aggressor, ignoring the Jewish Soviet aggression and the rest is history.
Stalin and
You say, “it was the privilege of Nagasaki’s civilians to be the first who witnessed its destructive power.” Actually, Hiroshima was the first city nuked, and Nagasaki was the second.
There are other historians who dispute the claim that Heisenberg deliberately sabotaged the German atom bomb effort. The claim was only made long after WWII, as far as I know.
[1] There are parallels with the mass exterminations by Jews in Russia and eastern Europe, for example by Muslims invading India. But as far as I can tell – and obviously there are problems with establishing the truth of such events – the death ratio per head is highest amongst Jews than any other largish group. Could someone produce estimates?
[2] If you check with readily-available sources, you’ll find the ‘atom bomb’ was a propaganda myth. Check out such things as (1) The scientific paper which supposedly caused Einstein to contact the president (ii) the backing for the ‘;Manhattan Project; (3) the supposed ‘Trinity’ test (4) the supposed bombing crews (5) eye-witnesses of Hiroshima and other bombed towns in Japan (6) supposed photos and other records – there are parallels with the was the ‘Holocaust’ mythology was introduced (7) use of the mythical bomb, and invention of the mythical ‘H Bomb’ to prevent Stalin being attacked, something Jews wanted not to happen – note that the supposed ‘atom spies’ were Jews, and the idea of Russia being able to replicate years of research is just a bit far-fetched; and there were stories about shipping industrial material for that purpose to the USSR (8) Now, after incredible amounts of wasted money, they’re trying to pretend to phase the non-existent things out – an ‘exit strategy’. If you’re interested, read the forum at http://www.nukelies.org where these things were debated through 2011. (The forum was stopped, and is no longer taking contributions – it took me too much time to moderate it. However the material is very interesting, very well-worked out). It also of course is relevant to Israel – I’m pretty sure Vanunu was a carefully-selected media plant, and Israel has only weapons supplied by the USA and others. All the stuff about Heisenberg has a similar fantasy basis as Catholics disputing over the attitude of Popes to Jews during the 1930s.
There are reports-rumors that th Nazis actually did produce an atomic type weapon and did test it. The reports of their Hannubu projects coupled with their base 211 in New Swabenland in Antartica have lead many to believe that they knew that if they used it at such a late state in the war it would not have stopped them from losing Europe proper and only facilitate to win the peace of the allies which was part of their long term goal.Many believe they took this tech along with their anti gravity devises to their retreat to carry on their war.
Hitler screwed up by not arming his entire populace and training them all to fight the way the emperor did with the Japanese. The Germans should never have surrendered. They should have fought to the last child and not given a damn about it. Even if it came to nuclear bombings, they still should have fought. Now because of their cowardice they are being forced to watch their country get Turkicized and Negrified at the hands of the international speculators, which simply a slower, more ignominious death.
Hitler threw WW2 for the “Jews” to construct a world Government. He refused to take the British at Dunkirk- a move that would have stopped any invasion. He refused to walk in and take Moscow when any retard could have- a move that lost him the eastern front. He refused to allow Rommel to take Palistine, defeat Monty and stop the American invasion of North Africa, sabatoging every single things he did. All of these moves lost the war to the south and had he not done any one of those things, Rommel would have taken Palistine thus splitting the World into two camps- a move that would have forced the Jews to switch sides and the Allies to ask for peace.
Every single time Hitler had the game won OUTRIGHT as if he was first and goal on the 1 yard line, he spiked the ball 3 times and intentionally fumbled to turn over the ball.
Hitler BUILT the infastructure to the early “Jewish” state. Hitler rounded up the Jews and transfered them to Palistine and by putting them in the camps at the ‘Jews” request, hence the rest were all in place for mass deporation to Palistine, just as planned.
@Tyron Parsons: Very good comments. I’m unsure if they’re true, but now you mention them together, there’s a disturbing possibility you’re spot on. Could you do me, and others I hope, a favour — email David Irving on http://www.fpp.co.uk and see what he comes up with?
Rerevisionist:
If you can get me his actually email, I will do so. I tried to obtain it from the Irving like you gave me, but or some reason, I was unable to.
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler:
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125049.pdf
What was the connection between German General Electric and American General Electric? The CEO of American GE was jew Gerard Swope. He was also behind the Swope plan for cartelization of the US economy.
For a further appreciation of Hitler’s revolutionary reforms that restored the Germans into a powerhouse read Leon Degrelle’s essay
“How Hitler Consolidated Power and Launched a Social Revolution”
available at the IHR website
This video gives a (simplistic) explanation of how some Germans came to regard Jewish influence on Germany after WW 1
As far as the “Hitler threw the game” posts above. Give me a freakin break.
He built up a Party of 7 men in a beer hall back room in Munich to a powerhouse and created the most powerful Nation-State since Rome.
The Swastika banner flew from the Kirkenes at the Arctic Circle to the Pyramids. From the Spanish frontier to the banks of the Volga and down to Crete and the Greek Isles.
Yeah keyboard commandos talkin crap who couldn’t organize a grade school firedrill. Americans are so full off shit and full of themselves it makes one want to puke.
The Hitler bashers in the White Nationalist movement couldn’t hold Hitler’s jockstrap.
Heisenberg was an incompetent engineer. That’s why his research team never developed the nuclear bomb. He was a very deep theoretician..one of the greatest. Quite possibly, when the Nazis figured out that Heisenberg was a substandard as an engineer, another nuclear bomb research was created..and quite possibly they came very close to developing a nuclear bomb. Colhaze is just repeating the lies that Heisenberg told about himself after the war.
The Nazis were the technological enablers of the Japanese. Japanese came very close to enslaving White Australia..New Zealand would have been next. The European Women in these two nations would have been turned into sex slaves. It is now known that several Australian Women were turned into sex slaves after their imprisonment by the Japanese Imperial Army.
You folks really disgust me. Colhaze is a Nazi worshipper as far as I am concerned.
Werner Heisenberg had a conscience. That can’t be said of Jews. I believe Hitler had a conscience, too. He had to decide that being as ruthless as Jews in dealing with them was a necessary evil. It still is.
So what if Hitler thought he might be a divine plan of God’s. Perhas, he was. We could use someone like him now.
No nation has treated the Jews as well as America and they repay us by ruining America. Our once well ordered, peaceful country is gone. Not knowing much about psychiatry I used to say Jews had a “group personality disorder.” Serial killers are much the same way. No empathy. None.
If the nuclear program has shown us anything for a fact it is that Jews are utterly evil and will wipe out people at the drop of a hat. They feel no regret, no sorrow. Christ did not want that kind of force ruling the world. He gave us the example of love and compassion to keep us well grounded and – sane.
But Christ is also about truth and uncompromising honesty. Loving His enemies is not what Christ wants. Bending to the will of the Jews is not compassion, but profound weakness. Honorable white men cannot, must not, allow the Jews destroy life, create misery and suffering and all that is great and beautiful.
Sounds like Hadding Scott, who continuously claims that such claims about Hitler and National Socialism are simply “war propaganda” (re: his web page Brute Force and the Idea, where he incidentally basically concedes he has no defense against my demonstration that his use of the Hayek quote is similarly inaccurate ) might object, probably claiming that Hitler was like Matt Koehl claims no less than Christ himself, recrucified for the sins of mankind.
Overall excellent articles IMO, setting forth what I do feel is needed, an authentic revisionist reinterpretation of post war Germany and its dilemma. Colhaze’s assertion that Heisenberg basically was principally responsible for the failure of Germany’s atomic program is just asserted, not defended or given any corroborative reference, but it seems intuitively quite plausible to me. His assertion that Heisenberg in some way sacrificed Germany so that the world might be saved is similarly intriguing, although it is a thesis and view of Germany that will doubtless stir little interest in the mainstream.
Also the idea that Heisenberg sabotaged Germany’s nuclear program, even as he knew its enemies were pursuing their own, is still it seems to me treasonous, even if it seems the most defensible of all the treason engaged in by nuclear scientists on this issue (and there was a lot). It seems just another example of the little known fact that treason at high levels played a major and decisive role in the Third Reich’s defeat see for instance
these quotes from Louis Kilzer’s book “Hitler’s Traitor”
Paul Hausser
The Swastika goes all the way to Babylon and before ancient India became aware of it due to the Aryans (Northern Israelites) being push there by the Assyrians around 721 BC, it was found as well in Sumaria. Here is the point. Sumaria, Egypt and Babylon were all into Fallen Angel worship, otherwise known as Paganism. The Northern Israelite peoples came into Europe after being expelled for Paganism (fallen angel worship) and carried with them all the symbols that they adopted from these other areas before their expulsion from the land. Before the mixed Egyptian/Israelite stock entered the land to initially being the United 12 tribe nation of Israel, the Swastika was known because of their time in Egypt. Babylon tablets show both the Swastika and the “Star of David” which predates Israelite white peoples entry and settlements at Kirkenes, the Arctic Circle, the Spanish frontier, the Volga, Crete and the Greek Isles.
They entered Europe by way of the Mediterranean via Greece and Carthage and Phoenicia, also through Israel’s pass (Darius’ pass) via the Caucasian Mountains spilling into modern Germany around the town of Vilseck today. The Israelite tribes were known as the Goths (Gad), the Sakka, Scuthae, Scythian, Iskuza, and Saxons (Sons of Isaac). Other early Israelite tribes where known as Kumarians,Kimari, Gimera, later the Vandals, Lombardi’s, Franks etc etc etc. The Welsh, Scots are also of the tribes as were the Vikings, before being known as Goths. Hence, it is no wonder that these Northern Israelite Pagans brought with them the Swastika because they were still hip deep in their ways and this is the reason it found in the locations you mentioned. I was simply pointing to one of the origins of the symbol by way of the Israelite migration into Europe proper.
To understand this better you might want to view these links by Historian, archeologist, Egyptologist, linguist, and university professor, E. Raymond Capt
http://www.virtualsecrets.com/assyrian.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u0wG0EVG5Ec#!
Paul Hausser
Another thing, no one denied that Hitler “built up a Party of 7 men in a beer hall back room in Munich to a powerhouse and created the most powerful Nation-State since Rome”.
What is in dispute and what you did not address is how anyone could throw the Western Front, the Eastern Front the African Front when on each and every front, victory was for the taking by simply walking in and doing so (except England, but crushing the British at Dunkirk would have ended their invasion asperations). Either Hitler suddenly turned into the biggest military retard in history when it counted most and only when victory was easily achieved, or he was simply a pon of those in the West who built him up so as to bring Germany, hence Europe down.
How does one explain Hitler building early Israels infrastructure? How does anyone explain Hitlers transfer agreement with the Jews to palistine? Hitler was fully aware of the Protocols- the elite “Jews” plan which called for a World Government out of there- so why aid them in every way possible? The only thing I will conceed is that Hitler allowed this to happen so that at a later date the remnent of Nazi forces (which are still around believe it or not) would be able to destroy them once and for all because they were now in one place to do so.
@Tyron Parsons: David Irving’s email is given (correctly) on his site as
info@fpp.co.uk
Rerevisionist
When I go there and try to get the email address a window pops up and says
“Could not perform this operation because the default client is not properly installed.”
So unless someone can spell out his email that I might copy and use at yahoo, this will not be accomp;ished.
I completely agree with Heather’s assessment that we’ve been very good to the Jews and yet they have ruined our country. It still puzzles and angers me to no end. Had they shown the slightest bit of loyalty I wouldn’t harbor such extreme anger toward them. When I found out about their insidiousness, it was like being punched in the gut. I can’t believe that they would return evil for our kindness, but that is what they have done.
@protorenaissance: Great Britain declared war on Germany after Germany advanced into Poland to reclaim land taken away by the Versailles treaty. The lie involved is that Great Britain did NOT declare war on the USSR, even though the two allies Germany and Russia, jointly occupied Poland. After the war the USSR occupied ALL of Poland. Why was war even declared? Inquiring minds want to know.
The Cobalt Bomb wasn’t tested , at least above ground, because the result would have been a contaminated wasteland . The whole idea of a Cobalt Bomb is to put the precursors of Cobalt 60, Cobalt 59, the normal kind, around a fission bomb, and allow the neutrons to make the highly radioactive Cobalt 60. The danger wasn’t a worldwide chain reaction, but just a contamination of a nasty long lived tell tale variety. We can only guess if was ever not tested. There are hundreds of deeply buried holes in the Nevada desert, and other deserts worldwide, where the results of a test would only be known to those who conducted it. Shovel, Shoot, and Shut Up being the operative procedure.
@Tyron Parsons: Sorry old chap, but you’re wrong about Stalin invading Germany before uncle Adolf. The Red Army waited until the 17th September, more than two weeks after the Germans attacked for the West on the 1st of September 1939. One imagines they wanted to see how the Germans performed.
@MikeF: Karl Liebknecht wasn’t jewish.
@Tyron Parsons: The problem is with your own email system. Just open your normal email program (hotmail?), list your comments, and email it from there to info@fpp.co.uk
The ‘cobalt bomb’ is another piece of propaganda from the Hungarian Jew, Edward Teller. (For some reasons Hungarian Jews loom large here – I don’t know why. One of them did a degree in chemical engineering, which may have had something to do with the Manhattan Project and the real or supposed separatioon of U235).
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If you consider it calmly, some cobalt isotopes have a half-life of a week or two; the idea being that radiation would lethally waft around the world. However, we’re talking here of essentially not much cobalt spread over vast areas. And that’s if it worked. It’s just another phoney. Let me spell out the reason: Jews ran the USSR and the USA, notably the industry, and they didn’t want the USSR invaded and Stalin removed, and the depredations of Jews discovered. All the stuff about H bombs, including ‘atom spies’, was made up to make war ‘unthinkable’. So the parasites could parasitize ever more parasitically. It’s all in nukelies.org
Tyron Parsons
There shouldn’t be any doubt that if the Nazis and Imperial Japan had won WW2, millions of Euro-Christians would have resisted..including Christian Russians ..and millions of them would have died.
Two points:Just the fact that the Japanese would have turned several milion Australian and New Zealand Women ito sex slaves for the Japanese Imperial Army with the help of their Nazi technological enablers would have made a US conflict with the Japs and Germany inenvitable. Second point:I’ll take post-WWW2 Soviet foriegn policy over a post WWW2 Jap-Nazi foreign policy. Vietnam,Cuba,Nicaragua nor the FMLN in EL Salavador posed a threat to the US. Post-Soviet foreign policy post-WW2 was actually quite benign. Post-WWW2 US foreign policy brought the human species to the brink of extinction several times. The Cold War propaganda machine that demonized the Russians has very likely made Native Born White American Racial Minority status inevitable…and racial minority status for White Americans will very likely result in extreme violence directed at White Americans. There is a direct line from the domonization of the Russians to Native Born White American racial dispossession.
In case I’m not getting the message across: Just like the fraudulent ‘Holocaust’ and the fraudulent 9/11 planes demolishing huge buildings, nuclear weapons are a hoax, or, if you prefer a stronger word, a fraud. The money made has been astronomical. The geopolitical effects ditto. Israel has no nukes. The revisionist consequences will take time to be thought through, just as with the mythology of the Second World War. Please READ UP on it! Once you get the idea it’s simple enough. Then get used to the ideas of ‘hoax maintenance’ and ‘exit strategies’ as the supposed weapons are supposedly decommissioned, by, of course, Jewish companies. nukelies.org
@Rerevisionist:
Well that at least adds some humour to this already tendentious article.
Heisenberg’s team could not have finished the bomb for the simple reason that it needed research and fission material production on a scale that was almost impossible for Germany in the middle of the war. In the US there were months when most of Tennessee’s water power (or the equivalent of it) went into the Manhattan project, Germany simply didn’t have these kinds of resources.
It is now very likely that Heisenberg would have made the bomb, had he had the resources (and, as someone has already pointed out, had he been a good engineer), and he would have put his moral doubts aside. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
It’s also very likely that Heisenberg wanted to prevent Bohr from participating in the bomb project. Who wants his own country being bombed by such a bomb?
I don’t quite understand why a WNist version of history should include ubiquitous traitors everywhere. It’s also very likely that most of the famous Soviet spy ring inside the Third Reich either never existed or only consisted of very low ranking officials, plus Bletchley Park’s information passed on to the Soviets by the British… So the truth is simply that the Germany of 1939 was too small against the USA, not to mention a combination of the USA, USSR and the British Empire. Had the Germans only fought any one of these alone (on paper they were each stronger than the Germans, even the French were on paper stronger than them), they would surely have won. Had they only fought them without the US, they would still probably have won. But they were too weak for the US, which had double their population, with at least 50% higher GDP per capita, and almost infinite natural resources. Even if the Germans had conquered the USSR, they couldn’t have been a match for that, because the infrastructure to transport Baku’s oil to Germany was simply not there.
Michael Colhaze forgot to say that both Heisenberg and Niels Bohr the fathers of quantum mechanics were half Jewish and not pure Aryan. So much for Colhaze being a historian…
@White Inferiorist:
Bohr had a Jewish mother but was raised a Lutheran, his father’s religion. Heisenberg wasn’t Jewish at all– not sure where you got that idea from.
@fender: Sure Fender, if they had fought to the last German the Jews won’t have had to bring in the Turks. Your yamaka is crooked.
Tyron
The point of the statement about the Swastika banner flying across Europe was to establish the extent of the German victories. The fact is Hitler and his armies had incredible victories in poland, Belgium Holland France Greece Yugoslavia, Norway Crete etc. They pushed all the way to the Pyramids and to the Arctic Circle. So now there was only one front buy June 1941. England was finished.
One cannot talk about the situation between 1943-1945 without first agreeing and establishing the fact the Germany conquered massive amounts of land relative to it’s size. It placed itself in a position of great strength.
Without US and British Lend Lease most importantly food supplies Stalin would have been finish in early 1943. Most of Stalins “troops” from 1942-1943 were Mongols Uzbeks Tartars etc that were forced at gunpoint to board trains to go fight. They had zero patriotic desire to go fight 1500 miles away for what they saw as a fight they had no desire for fighting. When the food ran out those guys would have said enough and probably would have attacked the NKVD Jewish kommisars and Russian officers they fought under.
AT that point Hitler would have turned his production to building up a massive air force from 1943 onwards which would have stopped the US and England cold in any attempt to invade.
So to say he threw fronts away is nonsense. Hitler simply was ganged up on by the Judeo Masonic OWG trash cans in London Moscow and DC. Also he had a weakling in Italy as a military ally. Mussolini still answered to the Italian King and Princes (heavily Masonic). He really had no power and they gave away many many secrets to England thruout the war. Also the old Prussian Generals like the “Von” crowd were very close to England and were very suspect in their loyalty to Hitler and the NS Governmnet. Hell Von Kluge was caught trying to surrender the entire Western Front in August 1944. He committed suicide when he knew he was caught.
Finally with respect to the article the Germans are not by nature a peoples that want to destroy and blackmail mankind. So the desire to create a Golem bomb is a totally Hebraic Talmudic sicko Jewish fantasy.
The Jew is really a sick sick creature thru and thru.
Floda,
I think you misunderstood me. I was only talking about Poland and this is before the preemptive strike/invasion of Russia’s lines by the Nazis which started the war on the eastern front. Hitler was correct in believing that Stalin was about to invade Europe and he proved this by his infiltrating Poland (besides his massive military built up) to murder some 20,000 ethnic Germans. Some might argue the splitting of Poland between Russia and Germany as part of their agreement but either way, Hitler’s invasion of Poland was not really aggressive rather preemptive and justified as was Hitler’s Blitzkrieg Operation Barbarossa that really began the war- that is, if one believes they are not all actors for the “Jews” on a World stage.
@wattylersrevolt:
You also comment as “Jupiter,” don’t you?
Paul Hausser
You said:
“The point of the statement about the Swastika banner flying across Europe was to establish the extent of the German victories. The fact is Hitler and his armies had incredible victories in Poland, Belgium Holland France Greece Yugoslavia, Norway Crete etc. They pushed all the way to the Pyramids and to the Arctic Circle. So now there was only one front buy June 1941. England was finished. ”
Answer:
I think we were mixing up our lines of communication here. I took your statement to mean that the Swastika was found in these areas historically, before the wars, and this is why I posted what I did as an explanation as why they would be found there- if they were.
You said:
“So to say he threw fronts away is nonsense. Hitler simply was ganged up on by the Judeo Masonic OWG trash cans in London Moscow and DC.”
Answer:
I use to entertain this scenario, but how one could not take Moscow when any buck Sergeant could is beyond me and beyond excuse. Now take what Hitler did to Rommel the military genius. Hitler was constantly cutting Rommel’s supplies. Rommel was forced to fight with 3rd rate light armor, and with no. ABSOLUTELY NO air cover plus a host of other things he had to do without. With just a little support and I mean a little, Rommel would have easily taken Palestine and either stopped the war cold right there and then, or it would have continued, but this time with full Jewish support putting the allies on the defensive in a major way on every global front.
The moment Rommel came to North Africa he was outnumbered and underequipped. He was told not to attack but he did and then when he disobeyed orders, he routed the British. As he has the British reeling on their heels, Hitler told him to stop, but Rommel again didn’t. Instead he gave Germany decisive victory after victory until El Alamein; just outside of the Suez which is just outside of Palestine.
Because Hitler kept screwing him, Rommel eventually couldn’t continue his fight. He had 3rd rate equipment and almost no supplies coming in. Hitler’s excuse was that he needed them on the eastern front but this is pure nonsense. With only a little help of troops and equipment stationed and idle in the West, both Suez and Palestine would have been German territory in 42 with very low casualties.
During Rommel’s retreat, he managed to rescue massive amounts of Italian troops by again, disobeying direct orders and this again with no air cover while the allies flew unopposed through the entire campaign. When the American’s arrived during operation torch Rommel was initially in charge but was relieved of his command after advocating the taking the high ground at the invasion points to defend against the Anglo-American forces. Instead, this, like Rommel, was scrapped, as the Axis decided to fight them parallel on the beaches. The Vichy French forces had very little will to fight at this point and who can blame them? It was obvious the invasion was handed to the allies on a silver platter.
Hitler was well aware of the Balfour Declaration. He knew damn well that Palestine was the “Jews” prize and goal; and he also knew damn well that to take Palestine (that is, if he was not a pon like the rest of the players in WW2) would have won the Axis powers the war.
When Rommel was brought back to Germany to set up the defense of western front against the expected Allied invasion, he did a masterful job. Because he was always pushing for what could easy be seen as the course to secure victory, and by virtue exposing the ineptitude or treason of those above, he was wrongly associated with the assassination attempt of Hitler and forced to commit suicide. My view is that Hitler knew that Rommel smelled a rat. Rommel knew too much and this was an easy way to get rid of him because to try and do so before was not an option due to his popularity which was brought down a notch by being forced to lose in North Africa.
As far as Dunkirk, people suggest that Hitler’s orders to let the English go were a gesture to the then that he was serious about an alliance. Horsesh-t! No one in their right mind would do such a thing-take a gamble like that when you had your enemy defeated; an enemy who’s worked against you from the get- go. All Hitler had to do was capture the British forces which would have completely paralyzed the entire British land based war effort and then negotiate from strength (like Hitler always talked about). He could have then said to Britain; Hey, I really don’t want to fight you. I want you to fight with me against the Soviets etc. You agree to this and I will give your forces back to you to position on the eastern front. I will enlist my military to defend you and your colonies and not invade or bomb you. If not, your land forces will remain in POW camps until the end of the war and while this is happening, if you decide to make any moves against us, well, we know you don’t have the means to defend against an invasion from us now-even though we don’t have much of a surface fleet.
I could go on and on, from refusing to use the ME 262′s for fighters to a host of other things. Regardless, people can maintain that Hitler was no Jewish pon, but a true defender of Germany and Europe all they want. I maintain, the massive amount of evidence says otherwise.
@Helvena:
So you think slavery is better than death?
@The Admiral On Horseback:
Wikipedia disputes this analysis as follows
Of course it would be nice to have a more thorough analysis of exactly what Heisenberg did for the Uranverein. I think it is significant though, even with his alleged reluctance, (which does sound reasonable somewhat, considering the German’s had a much more active program up until 1942) that the Uranverein still did succeed in beating the Manhattan Project by over 3 months in an important milestone.
This, and the bomb design, are the main contributions of the theoretical physicists in the A-bomb. The other part, manufacturing a critical mass of U-235, (or plutonium) is just industrial heavy lifting. I suspect if Heisenberg had drafted a “Dear Fuhrer” version of the Einstein letter to Roosevelt, Germany would have got and dropped the bomb, despite the problems its program had. (One not mentioned in Pretend Encyclopedia is the simple calculation mistake that caused them to discard graphite as a reactor moderator in favor of heavy water)
If it’s truthful it will, then and now.
We went into some of the arguments for intelligence leaks inside the Third Reich on the Phora thread I mentioned. Really, any half-hearted internet search will turn up evidence of not just the spy rings Kilzer mentioned but many others, and illustrate that intelligence-wise the Third Reich was the leakiest of sieves. Kilzer thinks Hitler’s complacence to this state of affairs amounted to “criminal negligence”, and really it is no less excusable today.
Resources were an important factor, influencing the decision to invade the USSR (most notably the vulnerability of Germany’s oil sources in Romania). But in the early part of the war before US resources were really mobilized and deployed, they had a lot of advantages too, say up until 1944. They controlled the industrial and other resources of all of occupied Europe. Regarding the Baku oil fields, I think the main goal in the advance was not so much to procure the fields themselves, but deny their resources to the Soviets, which would have been if successful a very effective move – Kilzer thinks it would have ended Soviet resistance. Tanks don’t run on horse manure.
@Tyron Parsons – Do you think it’s possible Hitler knew that the ‘Enigma’ devices had been ‘compromised’?
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On the nuke front, all the stuff you’re discussing was during WW2. It’s simply impossible to assume any of it is reliable. Check films and newsreels (and books, mags, newspapers) of the 1940s and 1950s, of supposed tests, designed to scare Americans; these are on DVD. It’s perfectly clear in hindsight they’re fake and don’t begin to resemble what the hype said nuclear reactions would be.
http://www.nukelies.org
@Tyron Parsons:
Interesting analysis overall, but I think you just rebutted your own argument here, unless you’re talking about two different Hitlers. LOL
Like other analyses of Hitler Kilzer notes that Hitler seemed obsessed with making peace with Britain to the point where it impeded somewhat his rational decision making. Although his efforts to make peace with Britain perhaps weren’t nearly as futile as contemporary historians (not to mention the British themselves from after the war ’till now) would like us to believe. See the ends of these ( this, and this) phora posts
Rerevisionist:
You Said:
“Do you think it’s possible Hitler knew that the ‘Enigma’ devices had been ‘compromised’?”
I don’t know but there seems to be a lot of evidence that suggests that the Nazi’s were infested with British spies. If he was, it would not surprise me and besides, if you know your being bugged and the other side doesn’t, one can completely turn the tables on ones enemy because the info they are getting they believe to be true
. We already know that the Jewish bankers in Britain, America and Germany funded the Jewish Soviet takeover of Christian Russia before so as to be a check against Christendom in the West. All of this was done to bring about another war where Christianity in Europe through the destruction of Germany twice, would be negated making way for the Communist EU.
Hitler and his Nazis (last 5 letters of Ashke-nazis) did a damn good job of that through the rise of his pagan national socialist state. Some people even go as far as to link Hitler as being an early subject-(brainwashed spy) in the early Travestock institute as he had spent time in England- I believe after WW1. Keep in the mind, the “Jews” had already taken over the British banking system and were heavily in cahoots with the Crown by this time being the second part of the City of London Corp. Because of this and in light of the Protocols and Pikes description of the wars coming up after the City of London Corp had its creation “UNITED STATES” Corp out of DC in 1871; it is not too farfetched to entertain the possibility.
Pike said in 1871
“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”
The Protocols collaborate this reality.
As to Nazi high tech devises, I thoroughly believe (And I am sure to take heat for this one) that the Nazis made it to the Moon in 42, Mars in 45 with the Vatican getting there second, the USA third and Russia 4th. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the Nazis had atomic knowledge- they were flying anti gravity devises already….
I believe, like Hitler and many early Christian scientists, that the earth is “hollow” and that those alien craft that the Nazis and Americans were purported to get their anti gravity tech from came from those who live there. The Nazi’s put something like 2/3rds of their GNP toward the creation of their “Shangri-La” as Doenitz called it, from 42 onward. I am sure this is the German base 211 in Antarctica. In 47, Admiral Byrd went to Antarctica as part of operation hi-jump. They got their butts handed to them down there and after this happened, Byrd was reported to say in South American papers (easily verifiable) that the next war would be with flying discs that could go from pole to pole at incredible speed. The fact of the Nazi anti gravity discs coupled with the fact that both Britain and the US felt it necessary to try and destroy them in Antarctica makes me think there is another possibility concerning Hitler. Maybe, Hitler was a secret agent of the American Rockefeller- British-Rothschild’s initially. Maybe he played his part well but that he was really playing a 3rd game back upon those who had trained him. Maybe Hitler threw the war to facilitate the Jewish establishment of their soon to be super state world Government, but when he realized the full game, he used his resources to buck those who installed him accomplishing the unthinkable- Moon and Mars bases and colonies that are making preparations to do away with, once and for all, the elite Jews grip on the world in one mighty stroke when the time is right.
Pike said about WW3-
“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
For me, one who others call Christian, it is a no brainer that Hitler lost WW2 on purpose, but maybe he broke away from his handlers too. Maybe, just maybe, the Nazi’s transferred a large population of pure Aryan stock in Antarctica, have been breeding an army to be presented at the cataclysm of events coming up. Will they be working for Satan? Will they be working for the real Creator/Savior? Time will tell but one thing is for sure; only one versed in and enlighten by the scriptures of the true Christ will be able to tell the difference.
Will Fredericks:
Who did Hitler say he was really fighting WW2 against? Was it not international Jewry and their control over Russia, Europe, America and Britain? If Hitler would have taken the troops at Dunkirk there would have been no NEED to prove peaceful intentions toward the British. This act alone would have broken Britain and her only choice would to have been to take Germany’s side. Now how would the chess board look? What would the “Jews” have to say about Palestine since England was on Germany’s side? Obviously they could not count on England handing over Palestine at such a point in the game so everything they had worked for would have been a waste up to this point; this because Germany would control Palestine by using England as a proxy. This alone would have put Germany in a position to not even have to take on a North African campaign because the only foothold the “Jews” would have had left would have been inside the American establishment and in Soviet Russia. In other words suddenly, Germany is not fighting a 3 front war but a one front war, unless of course the Jews got America to fight with Russia against the Europe, England, her colonies, Japan and the Arab states. Yea right- good luck!
In short, such a move would have spelled the end to the Jewish global dominion plan because there is no way that they could get America to fight in such an insane scenario. I could see the British population rising up to oust the Rothchilds, as I could see the American population that did even went this war, doing the same with DC and the Rockefellers. This would have left the “Jews” with one place to go, Soviet Russia and there is no way in hell they could endure all of White Christendom aligned against her.
Just spelling out the obvious like this ought to show that what is really going on behind the scenes is the real reality and not the information they decide to share with us and this includes the “pro-German” propagandists today.
If only because of the amount of times,(thousands) he is referenced in science journals, etc. he was one of the greatest and most orginal minds of the last century.
@Tyron Parsons: …..no brainer that Hitler lost WW11 on purpose….”
One wonders. At Dunkirk alone, the German army and airforce could have totally annialated the British armed forces and ended any effective British resistance. Based on Britains ruthless carpet bombing of open cities, there is no doubt whatever, in my mind at least, that were the sides reversed, the British would have cut the helpless Germans to pieces. Yes, some major descions by Hitler were utterly incomprehensible in the context of someone trying to win a war.
@fender: fender, you may have a point. I once read an article long ago, (pre internet era) in which a German captain of the General Army was interviewed. He was asked about German ruthlessness during the war. He thought quietly about it, and then stated with the utmost conviction, that the only thing the German army, etc did wrong is that it was not ruthless enough. He angrily stated that compared to the things he saw other nations armies do at that time, he should have ordered his men to kill every chicken, or anything that moves that they came across. He went on to describe the crimes of the French resistance, Yugoslav partisans, what some Czechs did,(throw wounded Germans out of hospital windows,etc.) He stated that the German Army would march through countries singing songs, and get shot in the back by partisans, after which they became more violent. It’s not a strange thing at all, considering that every army in the world, tends to get crazier the more resistance there is.
@Paul Hausser: Paul, it is absolutely crazy, as to what a number WW11, and it’s subsequent propaganda, which continues on steroids, did to the reputation of German people. I’m not German myself, but I’ve studied that nations history extensively. Before the National Socalist seizure of power, Germany was viewed as possibly the nation with the most educated populace on earth. It wasn’t viewed as a pariah but rather respected. Rich people used to send their children to its universities,etc. Even on a personal level, all of the German people I have met, while some have been kind of stiff, others a little weird, and still others somewhat arrogant, in general, they have been rational, decent, and some of the nicest and even MOST HONEST, people I’ve ever come across. It boggles the mind how they are continually denigrated and attacked, in the most vicious manner imaginable, especially by the U.S. media. I wonder how many Americans know nothing of Germans but this propagandized side of them?
@Bobby:
Absolutely, the Germans were too lenient. That’s precisely what Celine wrote. Of course we get movie after movie showing German soldiers shooting women and children when generally that’s something only the Allies did.
Where did this lot of nonsense come from — the mind boggles-
“I thoroughly believe (And I am sure to take heat for this one) that the Nazis made it to the Moon in 42, Mars in 45 with the Vatican getting there second, the USA third and Russia 4th. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the Nazis had atomic knowledge- they were flying anti gravity devises already….” –Tyron Parsons (Christian)
“The Germans should never have surrendered.” fender
the ‘atom bomb’ was a fraud.—Rerevisionist
Wow just some of these “woppers” above !!!!!!!!
Real History for dummies read on please–
The reality is that yes Hitler was too powerful & too stupid.
Germany & England had a mutual admiration relationship going on until WWI “accidentally” happened.
After WWI everyone knew or “should” have known that WWII was just waiting to break out.
The German Military told Hitler again & again that WWII should wait a few years but —
Hitler never realized how the “Churchill” group ( Bank of England) wanted war so much.
Hitler did not want war with the UK & his biggest mistake was letting the British Army escape from Dunkirk to fight again.
There was no way whatsoever Germany alone (forget Italy) could take on the UK , USSR & the USA.
Perhaps it was all the amphetamine that the Fuhrer was proscribed or whatever but Hitler just went “bonkers” & the German Military was too “loyal” to assassinate him.
Yes the English are nearly as “dumb” as the Americans but then wasn’t Winston Churchill’s mother an American Jewess ???
Bottom line believers in Christianity will believe anything.
Christians the real gullible “Jews for Jesus” are conscious or unconscious Zionists who enabled the creation of Israel & still support Jews as the “God’s Chosen” & therefore can’t get that Judaism & the foundation of Israel is based on myths & lies .. just like Christianity.
As someone said “Churchill put “Great Britain” into a coffin and Tony Blair nailed it tight.”
Google –”Pat Buchanan’s book Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War.
BTW yes “Rothschild Jews” had already taken over the Bank of England ” & moved to the U.S to “UNITED STATES” Corp out of DC in 1871 & later the fed Reserve —-
In the words of Niall Ferguson (from The House of Rothschild):
Rothschild & their web are the ultimate owners of the “Federal Reserve” as well as Earth’s other private “central banks” currently bleeding virtually every nation.
In regards to the possibility of an German atomic bomb.
All of the early books on this field were by Jewish authors: Paul Lawrence Rose in “Heisenberg”, Jeremy Bernstein’s Hitler’s Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall, Alsos by Samuel A. Goudsmit.(Dutch Jew)
The thrust of all of these books is to paint the German scientists as incompetent rather than having conscientious concerns. Some like Goudsmit lost family and personally blamed Heisenberg for not intervening.
The books are selective in use of evidence. For instance most allege that the Germans didn’t know the difference between prompt and delayed neutrons, fast and slow neutrons and that they had no plans for control rods. All are easily proven wrong.
The best references are probably David Irvings “Virus House” which is still respected but because Mr Irving suffers from a public credibility problem since the Lipstadt libel case I can say the books of Professor Mark Walker are also objective and back up Irving.
There is also an useful booklet sold at the Atomkellar museum in Haigerloch germany. However even German sources are contaminated by histories re]referenced to English language works distorted by Jewish writers bias and prejudice.
Its fair to say the German Physicists were made up of 3 groups. Those like Max Lau, Fritz Hahn who didn’t want to build a bomb. Those like Kurt Diebner and Paul Hartek who did and some like Werner Heisenberg and Weissacker who were equivocal because they saw moral issues but were also loyal Germans.
My feeling is that their equivocation cost them much progress however they certainly didn’t want to be seen as traitors to Germany so they also (probably correctly) argued that investment in bomb research was pointless because the war would be over before they were complete. This is correct since even the USA didn’t have an A-bomb by the time of Germany’s capitulation.
After the discovery of fission some German academics formed the first uranverein (uranium association or club) to develop nuclear power. When the German military became involved the formation of the second uranverein/association had the effect of sidelining the competent physicists of the first one.
Erich Schumann son of the musician, the Physicist who headed the HWA (German Army Ordinance) decided to rely on Heavy Water rather than Graphite as a moderator for a reactor. This was because after Vidkun Quisling had informed Hitler that the Norwegian cabinet had decided not to defend their neutrality in even of a openly talked about British invasion. This was to secure German iron or supplies.
Due to this the Germans had come into possession of Norsk Hydro where heavy water was a residue in the electrolysis cells used to make hydrogen for production of ammonia for the haber-bosch process (for fertilizer and explosives). Hence to the Germans Heavy water was essentially a free byproduct. They quickly optimized the process and increase production by a factor of 10 to 100kg month peak and were going to treble that again.
The option of using fractional vacuum distillation, a fairly simple method, was not taken up due to concern over bombing of the columns and of course cost. Likely a poor decision.
Unfortunately due to several acts of sabotage by contamination and explosives production never reached the required levels. The Germans needed 5 tons although Klaus Wirth, at Haigerloch with Heisenberg at the end of the war says they could have done it with a ton using a spherical reactors in 1944 and he doesn’t understand the holdup.
A competent physicist called Bothe had done moderator absorption experiments for graphite and gotten poor results and though 3 German physicists (Hanle, Joos from the 1st uranium club and one other) had worked out the contamination problem and told the HWA the papers weren’t passed onto Heisenberg and his people for some reason.
By 1942 a Leipzig Sphere consisting of two concentric spheres of uranium with the spaces filled with heavy water and a neutron source at the center produced a positive neutron production for the first time in history. Klara Doeppel then proved that scaling up to 10 tons would produce a sustainable reaction.
By 1942/43 Heisenberg and Weissacker had bumbled Alber Speer’s generous offer of 500 million Reich marks to build a bomb but research on a reactor as a power/submarine propulsion system and as a stepping stone to an atomic bomb continued. This killed the bomb hopes as it was now financed as a scientific rather than a industrial scale.
The Germans built two uranium enrichment devices: a uranium ultra-centrifuge (Groth) and a Uranium sluice (Hartek) the latter spinning only 500 rpm and chopping and gaseous beam of uranium hexafluride so as to tip and tail the faster moving U235 via a chopper propeller.
Both were successful in enriching lab scale uranium and both had had no less than two prototypes destroyed and delayed by bombing each.
By the end of the war Heisenberg, Weissacker and Wirth were in a pub cellar underneath a baroque church in Haigerloch (a museum now) with a sub critical reactor. It has a nett neutron production factor of 600% and it was found if scaled up in volume (not dimension) only 50% that it would become a self sustaining reaction.
Canadian researcher who had built Canada’s heavy water reactor checked the German calculations, agreed that they knew how to dimension a reactor and even praised some of their methods of calculation critical.
It possible that without the repeated disruptions and laboratory movements caused by bombing and the delays in heavy water deliveries the Germans could have had a reactor much earlier and with a functioning reactor they would have almost certainly initiated a bomb program.
I should point out that the German Army HWA (Heers Waffen Ampt) report, probably by Klaus Diebner, states that critical mass is 10-100kg which is correct and in the same ball park as the maud committee’s 2-100kg.
Heisenberg is on record as telling Speer a quantity of U235 the size of a pineapple (ie 1 to 2 liters weighing 20-40kg) is enough. Latter when imprisoned at farm hall and after hearing of the US atomic attack on Hiroshima, he states he has never really properly calculated super-critical mass for an atomic bomb he comes up with 500kg and 1000kg more or less thinking on his feet before correcting himself but mentioning a temper (neutron reflector) would reduce this.
Diebner and Hartek come across as more dedicated and productive but they didn’t have the authority and power that Heisenbergs Noble Prize gave him.
After WW2 Germans were banned from physics research, building aircraft and engines etc. To be able to get back into their professions and develop the industry in Germany they shutup. Heisenberg never being a member of the NDSAP could give a personal reference that declared someone ‘denazified’ he thus wielded enormous power.
Gentlemen, some of the statements I am reading in these posts are ‘way out there’. I implore you to make prudent statements or at least to provide citations to maintain the stature of this site.
I am intrigued at the statement that 112 out of 115 German banks were Jewish controlled.
It is verifiable evidence like this that helps us understand what was happening.
@Neville – with respect, many Americans and others believe in the ‘Holocaust’, in the official version of 9/11, in the evil of Vietnamese people etc etc. If you MAKE SOME EFFORT yourself, check on the nuke thing. I know it sounds surprising, but the plain fact is Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not nuked, and all the films of nuke tests are faked – watch them and see. The only serious source that I know of is nukelies.org which was a joint effort – you can watch the process as more evidence from different sources was produced.
@fender: So like a jew to try to frame the option in a dualistic way. A way that implies a win vs lose situation but as you present it, it really is only a lose lose proposition. Slavery or freedom through death isn’t an option. The winning option is to live to fight another day. Slavery is a mental state as much as a physical one and both can be escaped.
@fender: I very much agree with you here. The Germans are the most maligned people on earth. Most of the crimes they are accused of are just jewish projection. The Hollywood Nazis are alive and well, living in Israel and working in D.C.
@Jerry Thompson:
It was like that for me too. I thought they were a good people who had suffered too much and deserved a new time.
The process of finally facing up to the reality of their intentions was akin to a throwing up for a month. It is as Lord Malborough said “All the things the wise men said would happen have not happened and all the things the damn fools said would happen have come to pass”
@Tyron Parsons:
“As to Nazi high tech devises, I thoroughly believe (And I am sure to take heat for this one) that the Nazis made it to the Moon in 42, Mars in 45 with the Vatican getting there second”
You’re an idiot
Neville
You said;
Bottom line believers in Christianity will believe anything.
Answer:
And then you go on to quote Christian Pat Buchanon to support you beliefs in a separate subject.
There are promient US military folks who agree with me and not you. Was Admiral Byrd crazy? You think that Forrestal was a nut and that is why he died at Bethesda? Are you prepared to call Ernst Zundel a “nut” too? You thik th millions and millions of documented UFO’s sitings are mass delusions? I saw an anti gravit devise myself at age 10 and will never forget it. It matters not what you say, you see; I simply suggest you do your own research on Hijump, Byrd, base 211 and the Nazi anti gravity devises. I was on a joint writing venture with an author considering these topics, but it was put on hold about 2 years ago. Now the Jewish Media is in high gear bringing the populations up to speed on these subjects so it looks like I missed my window in this regard.
You might want to check out these links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD67_6lhsmw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s10i1MJ9IO0
@Helvena:
Choosing slavery over death is the Jewish option. Like Nietzsche said, the Jews are a people who prefer to live in dishonor than die honorably. One of the core tenets of Judaism is hatred of death. So, it was in fact the Germans (and Japanese) who chose the judaic outcome of surrendering and becoming slaves to international capitalism instead of doing the noble/Spartan thing and never surrendering.
Mickey Meadows
You said:
You’re an idiot
Answer
You’re a slandering fool
@Mickey Meadows:
I hope you and others are having a good Sunday.
I think a large percentage of people in America and Europe would call me an “idiot” (or something similar) for doubting the holocaust story. And it might be possible that Tyron Parsons knows some deeper layers of the onion than the rest of us. He wrote:
End quote.
I figure 99.99% of T.O.O. readers probably think his comment is unbelievable and ridiculous. (Maybe I’m wrong on that point — if others believe that kind of stuff, then hopefully they will correct me.)
I’ve never even heard those theories before. And they sound like nonsense to me. But I’m not omniscient, and I know that there is a lot that I don’t know.
But, like Hadding Scott said, some of the far out conspiracy theories (such as the ones in Tyron’s comment) detract from the real ones and can hurt the credibility/image of the pro-White movement. Instead of trying to prove seemingly unprovable, ridiculous theories, we should probably stick to questioning the so-called holocaust.
I’m not saying that Tyron shouldn’t share his beliefs, or that you should or should not call him an “idiot.” As is often the case, I’m not sure what the point of my comment is, but I hope it helps somehow. I figure both of y’all have read more books than I have, and have more life experience. And I’m not looking down on either of you.
Have a good week.
One information I gleaned from Colhaaze’s lengthy text is that the German occupation of Denmark during WW II must have been quite lenient. Nobody controlled what Niels Bohr was doing, which visitors he received, which contacts he had to foreign countries etc., and in the end they let him slip away to the US, although there must have been hundreds of people in the German government who knew who Niels Bohr was and that he had a Jewish mother.
@Tyron Parsons:
I had thought that people like Tyron (National Socialists went to Mars, Earth is hollow with aliens living in it, etc etc) were really bad for undermining all the effort put into making this place respectable.
For sure, if I was an enemy one of the ways I would consider trolling this place would be making increasingly ludicrous conspirousy claims. The idea would be to persuade newcomers that the central matter about Jewish power and deadly hostility to traditional Western peoples is just more of the same.
I don’t know if that is Tyron’s game – he could just be an idiot – but the truth is that either way it might as well be his game.
However, with that said, observing the effect over the past couple of weeks has made me realize that in fact the influence tends to go the exact opposite way. What happens is that people realize that conspiracy theorizing on little data is the road to ruin for us. A slippery slope with no end to it. No matter how bizarre and idiotic the worst of the worst of the conspiracies will be, there will always be a Tyron waiting in the wings to take things to another level down.
The lesson is, we keep our private theories that cannot be resolved to one side, and we focus on the observably real phenomenon of a hostile elite with apparently murderous intentions for traditional Western people, mass immigration and the dispossession of Western people, and so on, and so on. These are things we can be real about.
@Mickey Meadows:
Well said, Mickey. Nonsense like this discredits all of us and is a grave disservice to the authors who so generously share their knowledge with us.
@fender:
there may be more awareness in mainstream German politics than your wildest dreams.
Hitler and German NS were not perfect. Nevertheless, the starting point in analyzing Hitler and NS has got to be the outcome of their defeat by the American/Bolshevik alliance. What was the outcome of Hitler’s defeat? The outcome was what we have now. As a result of his defeat, the people who want to kill us hold all power in the Western world and have since WW2. There is no doubt we would be better off if NS had one. This is reason enough to admire them, study their ideas and methods, and look closely to what they did.
If Hitler was actually fighting International Zio power… I’d like to see some evidence of him sending ‘hit squads’ after Roths and Co.?
Would that’ve been worth the resources considering ‘they’ were the ‘supposed’ enemy? Would it have an effect? Are these fair questions to ask?
In the end, what belief system is strong enough to resist the temptations of men who can offer trillions…
Lombard:
Extremely valid question. Thank you for pointing it out.
With all due respect- I would like to know why my response to Mickey and her ilk is not being posted?
@Richard-
The point is, some conspiracy theories are more valid than others. I was puzzled by Tyrone’s comment on Germans getting to the moon, living in Antarctica etc because this sort of thing is not credible, simply on scientific principles. He reminds me of David Icke’s excursions into lizards and shape-shifters. My best guess is that he simply has no sceince background. Incidentally – PLEASE list your 5 or so topics – including the non-arrest of Jewish bankers – and submit them to D Irving. I’d do it myself, but you’re the person who’s put in the effort.
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Just a word to all the people commenting on atomic piles, critical masses, and all the rest. All you’re doing is quoting other people. It’s amusing to see the sincerity; but nonetheless you’re not saying anything very useful. (BTW I was amused by the way some people explain how e=mc squared, and the rather banal meaning of the ‘uncertainty principle’, still, after all these years, get glowing reviews from naive people). Try and reconsider. For one thing, what is there to stop a chain reaction getting out of control? There’s an account of someone during WW2 separating two chunks of U235 after they started to glow… is that in fact credible? If something gets hot, does that mean it explodes? – After all, the sun doesn’t explode. Consider the maths of the size of nuclei compared with atoms. I promise you, the whole story is fantasy. You’ve been had.
@fender: Reality check Fender, when you’re dead, you’re dead. Why do the work for the jews for them? Get a grip. As long as the Germans (whites) are alive the jews are nervous.
@Rerevisionist:
What about nuclear power stations rerevisionist..are they phoney as well, or does the theory work alright at that level?
Your idea is daft because like other daft conspiracy theories it relies on a vast conspiracy with thousands of moving parts, requiring collaboration of all nuclear powers (often enemies) including Pakistan, India etc.
But like I said, the very daftness helps the site because for a while there was a risk of people getting distrated by semi-plausible 911 conspiracies rather than focus on the areas that the enemy really fears, at least in potential. Those areas are well covered by A3P.
But the appearance of people like Tyrone have been a timely wake up call…I notice a lot of people seem to have reflected on what is worthwhile/meaningful/helpful/harmful to talk about here.
Newcomers will overwhelmingly be Internet experienced and already know nutcases haunt every serious debate. So no harm done. Also, the realities of what is being done to our people is exactly that..a reality. So they have no where to go.
@Mickey Meadows:
What specific facts did you become aware of that were relevant to your new perspective on “the reality of their intentions”?
@Mickey Meadows:
Those are great points, Mickey. There is a certain value in having people “jump the shark” as they say, or go too far. For the life of me, I don’t know why some will prefer an elaborate bizarre scheme that relies on occult knowledge, over a rational, scientific explanation of things.
Now, when I was a young teenager, I found UFO and secret alien technology stories fascinating. But, I outgrew them. Anyway, I guess it is unavoidable, you can go to virtually any website and see weird theories posted.
@Tyron Parsons:
Go back to the mental hospital.
Lew,
If the moderator would ALLOW me to speak on this subject, I would, but it looks like they are only going to allow beliefs that there was no atom bombs dropped on Jappen; and you all are going to have to live with the continued illusion that you’re right and I am wrong. Thanks for the censorship guys :)
Mickey,’
you have won ZERO. Just because they are censoring me does not mean you are right. It only confirms how pathetic both you and they are acting…you know, just like the Jews act. Same method of operation.
Jason,
I have links to back up EVERY SINGLE THING i have said, so no, they are not “great points” but unchallenged points because of the actions of small minded petty tyrants
Everyone,
If anyone wants to hear my rebuttles and evidence, please, by all means, email me at tishpar@yahoo.com :)
@Tyron Parsons:
Tyron Parsons
June 3, 2012 – 10:10 am |
Neville
You said;
Bottom line believers in Christianity will believe anything.
Answer:
And then you go on to quote Christian Pat Buchanon to support you beliefs in a separate subject.
Tyron by mixing the message with the messenger you have exposed yourself with the above as an inexperienced “wacko” .
Pat Buchanon’s excellent book was the message & yes the messenger Pat Buchanon is also a believer in Christian nonsense but alas you are unable to separate the two..
With the vast increase in the world’s population the number of wackos believing in “superstition” has increased accordingly
May I suggest you narrow your field of endeavor to research on Christianity & Judaism & your acceptance of them without factual data.
Quote…….
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
- Matthew 5:17
http://christianitydebunked.wordpress.com/
Neville,
I am not mixing up the message with the messenger, you are hypocrite. I am exposing you for being a hypocrite by saying ‘christians will believe anything” and then quoting the Christian Pat Buchanon to support your views in the SAME BREATH. Since Pat is a Christian and not a evolutionists, you’re being selective about what you desire to believe, while at the same time demonizing his entire belief system.
@Tyron Parsons:
Hi Tyron
You wrote:
Sometimes the comments do not make it through if you use certain words, such as “n*zi”
That does not really mean they are censoring you.
For example, my comment earlier today included a quote from one of your comments in which you used the n-word “n*zi” — so it was not posted immediately. But now, several hours later, it is there.
I figure that is probably why your comments aren’t making it through.
@Tyron Parsons:
Well I didn’t see too many links. But beyond that, random YouTube videos aren’t the highest level of proof. This isn’t just directed at you, we get this a lot. Someone will say, “I have proof that Osiris blessed Carnac the Great, who wrote a Secret Document back in 2,000 BC, which says (in a spooky foreign language) that all the world is to be under the control of his descendants!”. The so-called proof will just be a YouTube video of someone making some assertions without real evidence, along with ominous music.
And almost without exception, links to sites like “ohmygodyouwon’tbelievehowbigthisconspriracyis.com” don’t carry any weight.
Richard:
Thank you for the heads up. Sorry about my previous assumption, no matter how well grounded. I will now try to attempt to repost my previous rebuttles taking out the N word.
@Neville:
Neville – I don’t see the mileage to be had from animosity/conflict between Christian and Non-Christian/Atheist/Pagan/Whatever WN’s.
The landscape is fraught with pitfalls and ways that we make things harder for ourselves. In most situations I would probably say “fine…we’ll just power through”.
But do you really think we have that surplus to play with that we can expect to power through? I don’t. I think this one is going to play out in the extreme margins.
So all I’m requesting is that when you get a spare moment, you work through what is to be gained from hostility with Christianity? E.g. is there a prospect of Christians being persuaded and changing their belief in Jesus? Is there a prospect of you going across to Christianity? If not, what is the achievable, useful, goal that presumably benefits the situation? I can see where the harm is being done, but I don’t see the payoff.
Richard
I took out all references to the “N”s and it still says and I quote “Tyron Parsons
June 3, 2012- 5:09 pm | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Jason,
you folks talk about all the fraud in the Jewish Media, in Jewish print, in Jewish newpapers, in jewish academia, and when I try to post links to show the scematics of the german dics’, info on operation high jump, quotes from news papers of the times as well as newsreels from the 40s and 50′s, you call this “not credible”.
Science dicates that in order to make something a fact, one must view it with their own eyes in a control enviroment as it repeats itself over and over. NONE of you can do ANY of that with the subjects we are speaking on, yet you want to hold me to the standard you yourselves cannot uphold. “Science” said there were no habitable planets 10 years ago while people like me were said- BS! Now that “science” has published that they are all over the place, we are all expected to bow down to the great decsion makers and dictators of what we are to believe, when,where and how and accept this without question because they have said so. I reject that nonsense, just as I reject your hypocritical comments. Now, if this site would allow me to post further evidence, you might see what I am talking about, but it looks like we are stuck with a tyrant- machine or not, that is EXTREMELY selective on what it wants people to hear, and/or consider. This is why I say this censorship makes the one doing it no better than the ones they supposedly are trying to expose.
@Tyron Parsons:
Other words besides “n*zi” can trigger the the “awaiting moderation” effect.
Also, if a person posts a large amount of comments within a small amount of time, I figure that might be something that causes a comment to be held in limbo.
Anyway, I see goodness in you and also the people who disagree with you. In you, I see a kind of selfless, genuine passion.
And in the people who disagree with you, I see people who care about this community/movement and do not want difficult-to-prove conspiracy theories to sidetrack us.
Like I wrote in a previous comment, I’m not telling you or others what to write or what not to write.
Have a good day.
@Richard: @Tyron Parsons:
Also, links to other websites seem to trigger the “awaiting moderation” effect.
That might be why your comments are not posted immediately.
@Tyron Parsons:
I don’t remember science saying habitable planets did not exist in the galaxy, much less the universe. I just remember them saying they hadn’t found them yet. Big difference. In fact for as long as I can remember, the scientific community has assumed there were large numbers of habitable planets in the universe, although there’s always been debate. But the whole premise of the SETI project (put in place decades ago) was searching for extraterrestrial life, which presumed the existence of habitable planets in the first place.
I mention all that because guys like you seem to get a head full of steam thinking that you have outsmarted the entire scientific community.
@Mickey Meadows:
It may be an “animosity/conflict ” for you but for me it is an attempt to open the mind & brain to factual reality that there is NOT & never was a “sky wizard” up there who created all the universes ,heaven & hell etc etc.
Helping to get at the truth as opposed to the acceptance of a set of religious beliefs & superstitions constructed upon limited data and analysis…….
Exposing Christianity , Judaism & Islam as the frauds that they are & giving the world a chance at peace is “the mileage”.
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_%28Harpers%29.htm
“A single, all-powerful god required a single set of sacred texts, and the process of composition and codification that led to what we now know as the Bible began under King Josiah and continued well into the Christian era. “Canonization” of this sort concentrated rather than dispelled questions of nationalism and universalism. A framework for faith, the Bible was equally a machine for generating heresy and doubt, and out of this debate eventually arose Christianity, Islam, Protestantism, and a great deal else besides. “
@Neville:
You seem to have chosen the wrong venue for your beliefs. This may surprise many but this site is not primarily devoted to voices of white self-hatred. It is neither necessary nor desirable to get together to condemn everything white people have ever held dear. Our opponents are already doing an excellent job of that.
@Alice Teller:
So questioning supposed beliefs of our “white race” is gymnastically spun to mean “white self-hatred”.
Wake up please & smell the coffee —silence has brought us the status quo —which is amongst other things almost total domination by a 2.5% minority.
Tyron – People have speculated about inhabitable planets since astronomy (and astrology) existed. There may well be such places, but if they are thousands or millions of light-years away, or if they have no atmosphere like the moon (i.e. they’re a vacuum), or if the temperatures are far outside anything survivable, so they make Death Valley look cold, or the Arctic look hot, or if there’s no water, or no oxygen…. but I hope you get the point.
I’m disappointed in Tyron; he made some interesting points re Hitler as a possible pawn, but seems to have thrown all that away. Maybe I’ll take him up on his points and contact Irving. Possibly what Tyron says can be discarded immediately.
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Mr Meadows – there’s a lot of material on supposed nuclear power on my, or rather the, forum nukelies.org but since you clearly have made no attempot to read it, I don’t see why I should even pay the courtesy of replying to you. Whether you like it or not, I’m an intelligent man, and a group of us explored nuclear ideas. And whether you like it or not nukes were certainly a hoax at the start and I see no reason to suppose that’s changed. Maybe you should learn to read?
I don’t believe that he believes a word of what he’s posting, but I’m sure he’s having quite a good time.
This isn’t a “community” or a “movement” it’s a public internet forum open to pretty much anyone. WHY should you give any poster here the benefit of the doubt or automatically assume posters are here in good faith? Considering the controversial nature of the website, I assume that at least a third of the posters here are not “on my side.”
Nonsense like “aliens from the center of the hollow earth” is simply designed to allow other disruptive posters to triangulate on serious controversial issues, like Jewish media control, WWII revisionism, 9/11, the Israel lobby, etc.
Notice the posters that are already trying to equate Tyron Parson’s clearly unserious nonsense with other controversial topics. One might assume that’s the whole point.
Jason, Reresvisionist
This is fruitless unless one remembers recent history. Everyone is intentionally or unintentionally missing the point. Talk to you all again next TOO article. Until then, may “Ernst Zundel be forever considered as one who hurt the movement”….right y’all? I mean..sheesh-only an illiterate, uneducated lunatic would talk about Germany anti gravity tech, Antartica and interspace travel on a pro white, anti holocaust-Jewish hoax thread and site….
@Rerevisionist: I can save you the e-stamp: David Irving would find it laughable, as do I.
Riley
There was an article by Lasha Darkmoon on Jews and pornography on this site, but it disappeared after a short while. As always with Lasha it was very well written and I read it with great interest. Why has it disappeared? Is it too controversial?
How was this essay supposed to be helpful?
@Roger:
When he visited Switzerland to give a lecture in 1944, Heisenberg expressed regret that Germany was losing the war.
I have also seen the argument that Germany did not have the materials to make an atom bomb if they had wanted to do so.
If I recall correctly, according to Toland, Hitler wasn’t even interested in an atomic bomb. It’s a weapon for attacking civilian populations indiscriminately, which is typical of democratic warfare.
Americans like to believe that all the smart people in Germany not only hated Hitler, but wanted the Allies to win: they are kidding themselves.
@Riley – I asked Irving whether Hitler deliberately threw away the chance of obliterating the British Army at Dunkirk; his reply was that Hitler thought, based on his WW1 experience, that the British would dig in and never go away. Not 100% convincing. And so on. Tyron seemed to have amassed quite a few analogous examples; and there’s the further point about not going for Rothschilds and others. So it’s a point worth making. I would have preferred Tyron to make the point to Irving, as he’d collected the materials, but unfortunately he seems to be proven to be unreliable.
@Revisionist:
I read your site before posting and your talk about civilian nuclear power and nuclear powered subs/ships being battery powered etc etc…is really awful thinking. You object that you are an intelligent person, and I don’t doubt it. But the world is full of intelligent people being utterly daft. Intelligence is no defense.
@Richard Pierce:
the point is that we don’t *need* the vast majority of the conspiracy theories knockign around. The central point of interest for us is not a conspiracy theory, it is massively supported in evidence and done in broad daylight. And….is understood by the majority of our society but not spoken up about.
That’s all we need. Tyron does us the favour of showing us where the other conspiracy theories are going to end up.
This is not to say in the least that Israel isn’t dramatically behind 911, for example. Only that we are not currently at the stage of power/mobilization/momemtum where that matter can be of any use to us. It is more useful to them, because they can easily infiltrate on the back of it, and turn it into a ludicrous conspiracy theory. Which is what they most likely did to the truther movement itself. Note, that in about 2003 or 2004 it was clearly going the way of putting Israel in the frame and off the back of that the hostility and power of the Jewish elite. Then over a couple of years there was this massive inrush of stuff abotu the Vatican, about aliens, about deep sea creatures, about WASPS and so on, and the whole movement sank under its own idiocy.
Want a conspiracy? There it is. The truther movement got sank by one. And guess what…*that* sort of conspiracy is highly plausible because it is highly practicle. It only needs 50 or 60 operatives online, plus a few thousand semi-gullible truthers to be relied on to say “yeah….aliens…deep sea creatures…we have to consider everything…this is the matric man!”
@Rerevisionist:
Tell us how could Hitler go after the Rothschilds from a distance if he wanted to? You cannot “bomb” a financial system.
@Neville:
Neville – I wasn’t criticizing the intrinsic value of arguing against religion, but the intrinsic value to our current fight for survival.
Where I stand is like this. We represent Western Civilization, it’s people, culture and future continuity. Just because we aren’t officially recognized in that sense right now is utterly irrellevant. Fifty years ago and forever behind, and fifty years ahead and forever ahead, our people and civilization would most certainly have identified with us and what we are saying and would have placed us the protectors of it.
Likewise, we are part of a struggle for survival. The fact we are awake to the situation puts a duty on us that, once again, fifty years ago and forever behind, and fifty years ahead and forever ahead, that duty would have been officially santioned into a national effort with all the constraints and rules and obligations that would have gone along with that. The fact that this is not the way things are officially now, is irrelevant, because the cause of that is the takeover of our society. So we must *act and be* as if we exist under those constraints.
So with all that in mind, my question to you was “what is the relevance to our struggle, of creating internal conflict and disunity on the grounds of religion?”
If there is a pay off, then that is fine…but what I’m saying is that I can see the hurt, but I don’t yet see the payoff.
Once again, pay off to our struggle for survival at the *current* time. Not pay off in some more generally applicable intellectual/spiritual/philosophical sense.
@Roger:
I have the impression that Heisenberg was equivocal about building a weapon. Edward Teller, who was Heisenberg’s doctoral student came to a defense in way, stating that the mistake Werner made was a common one that was easily corrected and said that he didn’t have his heart in it.
We are still left with the quirkiness of the original German Army Ordinance HWA report and its 10-100kg estimate and Heisenberg mid war statement of a pineapple sized critical mass which also conforms to the 10-100kg critical mass bit are correct given Little Boys estimated 58 kg of critical material.
Had supplies of Norwegian source heavy water been up to expectation its likely the German program would have achieve a self sustaining controlled nuclear reactor by wars end; I suspect mid 1943 to mid 1944 assuming 100-300kg production per month. Had the German military been more successful at keeping the Allied bombers from bombing German cities the Scientists work would also not have been so frequently disrupted. They frequently had to move and lost very important work, several prototypes of the Hartek and Groth enrichment systems (Ultra centrifuge and Uranium sluice) were lost to bombing for instance.
Of course having a reactor would certainly have confirmed and initiated work on an atomic bomb. At that point we are left with problem of either uranium enrichment or plutonium.
The Germans had apart from prototypes of the Uranium sluice and the ultra-centrifuge (of which several hundred were ordered at wars end) some work on photochemical process and likely von Ardennes ion source and magnetic separation. This leaves very little time to build sufficient critical material. It would be a tall order to beat the allies. I suppose an inspired breakthrough in centrifugal separation might have done it as the technology outperforms the allied method but it is also a very difficult technology but its a long bow given the more limited resources of the Germans.
Clearly the German program would have needed a charismatic management and technical genius such as von Braun to pull the project together.
[1] Nuclear bombs and nuclear power are somewhat different. It’s possible that huge amounts of heat are generatable, but can’t be used to explode.
[2] Nuclear bombs, certainly up to 1960 say, are clearly fake; there’s no reason to suppose this has changed. (This of course implies Israel is a paper tiger).
[3] Our discussion on nuclear power considered the question of whether there are any places or things, anywhere, powered ONLY by nuclear power. ‘Nuclear’ subs and aircraft carriers are possible – but on examination we found that e.g. they carry huge amounts of fuel, and are refuelled every day etc. So the dump load idea of nuclear power stations is entirely possible.
[4] I’m puzzled why anyone thinks the 9/11 ‘truther’ movement has sunk. On the contrary, what truly happened has now been unravelled in a very satisfactory sense, largely because of digital TV and the fact a lot of people saved TV material; and of course some New Yorkers camcorded material too. Obviously the Jewish media is in protective or denial mode – just as they have exit strategies from nuclear lies and ‘holocaust’ lies and ‘moon landing’ lies. They will continue to lie, I imagine, forever – it’s the way they operate. But this is not a reason to abandon investigations of these things.
[5] Of course I agree entirely re absurd ideas – it’s a mirror of absurd ideas in the political world, where defenceless people are deemed a huge threat, or races are deemed not to exist, or race violence is ignored, or US (or surrogate US) violence is ignored. All we can do is expose it and hope the apparent monolith, or, if you prefer, octopus, weakens and with luck expires.
@fender:
I wonder if anyone has done a breakdown of things like the Nobel prize based on ancestral components. Bohr gets included as a Jewish physicist but in reality he was at least half European.
Likewise a measure based on cultural upbringing…say that Bohr’s was not Jewish at all.
It’s possibile/likely that such equations would significantly reduce the Jewish advantage in terms of such awards, whether they would wish to frame things in terms of culture or genetics
@Mickey Meadows
That was quite revealing really. I’ve never read anything about 9/11 having to do with aliens, deep sea creatures, or the Vatican. The only “truthers” I’ve read on 9/11 tend to be strictly “Israel” and “inside job.” The most outlandish conspiracy theories about 9/11 have always come from those attacking “conspiracy theories.” Why single out 9/11 anyway, what about WWII revisionism, Jewish media control, the Israel lobby? Huh.
Which brings me back to my point. Parsons doesn’t believe any of his nonsense, he’s here as a foil for, well, I guess you, so as to muddy the waters about events “massively supported in evidence and done in broad daylight.”
Before you decide what “we” need, we would have to decide who “we” are – from my perspective, posters on TOO are not “us.” There are maybe ten posters here that post in every thread, on every imaginable topic, mostly riding various hobby horses, many proposing to tell us what “we” need and what “we” should talk about.
Leadership by post count? Whoever writes the most comments leads by default? Meh. The articles on TOO are all over the place, but usually interesting and high quality. The comment section – not so much. By my count there are about three interesting regular commenters.
The most annoying commenters are those purporting to “referee” us, tell us what to argue about, tell us to “keep the peace” “don’t criticize this or that” etc.
This is an internet message board, it’s not a political party, it’s not a movement, and we are not all on the same “team.”
“Listen up!
I was asked to email Irving but the site I was given did not give his email address. Whether it is my computers fault or the site matters not. Anyone of you people could have simply posted the email address here; I already had the letter to him typed up.
2nd point- if one wants to beat an enemy such as the traditional enemies of the truth (Jews) one does not adopt their ways because it defeats the whole purpose of trying to defeat them; you become them, and the proof of that is how many are acting here. Some of you folks can’t seem to get this through your thick head so you run around acting more like them than a person of honor-truth-reason- with an open mind; allowing for agreement or dissent.
3rd point- people have made a big deal about a theory I entertain and believe in, due to my thousands of hours of research. As I pointed out before, I was writing a screenplay concerning Admiral Byrd-Hitler-Anti Gravity- Antarctica etc. It has been put on hold due to my author friend having his has tied with other projects.
4th- I referenced this theory/belief associated with Hitler and Zundel and many others in two sentences out of some 30 posts. Those who act just like the traditional enemies of the truth have dug their teeth into it and used it as a way to try and discredit my other statements about Hitler throwing WW2-the logic of which is impeccable. Once these enemies of the truth started calling me childish names (just like the Jews do) I tried for 3 or more hours to post replies to the slandering pie holes that infest this site, but the moderator refuses to allow them to be posted so others might consider my position. Regardless of this fact, these little minds- these little children, these little slanderers, keep running around, not taking into account these facts- as they continue their assault upon my character-unabated. Gee- I wonder why? And then, to add insult to injury, I am accused of “liking it”.
5th- I posted my own personal email address for anyone to contact me so I might give them an extensive list of references. Not one of you wannabes took up the challenge. How you can continue call me names when this site refuses to allow me to post replies with links references concerning the issues you are attacking me on, gives me no confidence in you, or what you purport you stand for. I have studied law for some 15 years on my own. I am a year away from my degree through the American soviet accredited academic system. Just like in “academia”, this place is full of puffed up, self absorbed- super ego blowholes who wouldn’t know the truth if it was staring them in the face.
6th-As I said before. Hitler along with most every single notable scientist from 1700 to the early 1900′s believed in a hollow earth. This trend stopped about the time of WW2. Today, Scientists use the sound waves of earthquakes to map the interior of the earth; somewhat like a bat does. They call the center a core and they say it is solid, yet no one has seen it (so much for the rules concerning scientific fact). When sound waves hit the core nothing bounces back so they also call it the “shadow zone”. If the core was solid, the waves would bounce back but in typical fashion, so called Scientists today ignore their own criteria for establishing scientific fact and proclaim whatever they want. Today, scientists believe the Moon is hollow. I would say that this is a no brainer as well. Creation in the universe mimics what we see in our own plane which mimics would we see at the cellular and sub-atomic levels. The patterns are the same throughout the universe. Believe it if you want or don’t, but don’t call me non credible or crazy when Ernst Zundel himself spoke extensive on this-publishing material that detailed everything I am being criticized about now. Ernst Zundel is a man of honor, with an open mind, a seeker of truth. I wonder how he would react to your criticisms, slanders and demonizations; this when I am ECHOING much of his own research! If I am such a wacko, then so is Zundel; a man who has done more to expose the “Jews” than any of you people in your wildest dreams. Any of you slandering hypocrites what to fess up to that?
As the nobel Jack Bernstein once said:
“First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
If that doesn’t work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn’t been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.
@Richard Pierce:
“Notice the posters that are already trying to equate Tyron Parson’s clearly unserious nonsense with other controversial topics. One might assume that’s the whole point. ”
Excellent comment — thanks — perhaps part of a hasbara distraction campaign —
@Richard Pierce:
I don’t take what you say personally. You make good points. I have also said on many occasions that the comments section are not important. But what I then say is “…except to the degree they attract or put-off newcomers”.
In that sense the comments section are important, and it is purely on that narrow context that I think the value – positive or negative – of comments should be regarded.
The way I choose to weigh in is by saying whatever is useful in leveraging that contribution – on the criteria as given – the comments can make.
The thinking behind that, would be that people will be coming from across a broad section of society. The *articles* themselves contain the best thinkers and commenters….it is their job to attract and nail the best thinkers. Maybe thinkers like you, who knows. The comments are more general, naturally involve a lower calibre of individual on average, and so naturally have a different “most useful” contribution potential.
Neville,
Listen up – I will speak for myself.You have NO authority to speak for me. I stand by every single theory/belief I have posted.
@Neville:
No it’s not a good point Neville, and you shouldn’t use it to avoid answering questions about why you seek to create divisions and discord on the grounds of religion.
Anyone…literally any POV…could be part of a kosha strategy. It adds nothing to make accusations like this. It is better to point out how a given apporach could be used against us. That’s what I do, that’s what you should do.
The argument Richard brings assumes that 911 conspiracies are strong, but in saying that he doesn’t address the central criticism which is that they bring along with them a lot of nonsense that will put people off. for example that airplanes were CGI graphics.
@Tyron Parsons:
P.s. Personally I think Tyron is the same person behind Marcy. The front is different, but there are noticable similarities in the more emotive domain of rebuttal/indignance.
@Richard Pierce:
p.s. for example put “Vatican 911″ into youtube as here
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=911+vatican&oq=911+vatican&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube.3…3593.6720.0.6956.11.10.0.1.1.0.125.671.9j1.10.0…0.0.go1QMcJGZPs
@Mickey Meadows:
Mickey — I think you have a problem with intrinsic values.
Your comment brings the word balderdash to mind.
Accepting nonsense as truth should Never be tolerated –ever-
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Are we to assume that this ‘financial system’ is a self-aware A.I. that requires no direction or input? That the demise of the great ‘Lords’ would have zero impact on the course of WW2 events? This is absurd.
@Neville:
So…you are saying that this matter is more important than unity among Whites at the current time? Like..I’ve got 3 christians and 3 pagans with me and we are just about to go fight 20 men, and just before we do that I create a big stink about Christianity. This would help?
Mickey.
Who the hell do you think you are? By what authority do you cite to say what absolute fact is or not? People put out theories and beliefs. Through open debate one is able to glean what the truth is, or what direction to go in order to obtain it (if he has a logical mind). Even with physical evidence, facts cannot always be established so “conspiracy theories” are necessary. The elite know this and that is why they label anyone (LIKE YOU) the dreaded conspiracy theorist when they don’t blindly follow their Jewish master’s version of events
CGI? Maybe-maybe not. They could have been the modern Navy style Cruise Missiles that look remarkably like a plane. They could have been Military Aircraft remotely controlled and painted to look like the passenger planes. They could have been the actual 767’s the Jewish says it was, but who the hell are you call names and discredit anyone who doesn’t follow their line of thinking concerning exactly what it was that hit the towers? We already know it was a cruise missile that hit the pentagon for crying out loud. We already know they have the technology for a CGI affect, so again, who the hell do you think you are telling all of us what to think or believe? There are many theories out there and people ought to be encouraged, not discouraged, to follow whatever leads are present..sheeesh
Who controls the media? Humm? Just because you see something on TV does not make it real. It does not mean that those tapes have not been messed with and/or pre recorded to be played after the fact. Do you know how many regular citizens have been offed- who filmed 911? Thousands have “mysteriously” died. That alone should tell a truth seeker something.
You remind me of my many professors. Those who; the schooled Soviets tactics, could not distinguish from a politburo member. Yes, their BS never ends. These petty tyrants think they have a monopoly on the truth and they sit in underwear staining fear of people who actually follow the truth, no matter where it leads. Why? Because they know that in a true-open and equal debate they get their head verbally decapitated every time. What do use as a defense? The do the only thing they can do. They demonize and slander, try and belittle anyone who exposes the logic in their endless diverting propaganda. They always target the ones who refuse to tow the party line; those who question previously “established” fact by the controllers of discourse (IE:you!). Yes Mickey, you would make a perfect teacher in the present Public FOOL system. If there is anyone here who has done nothing but try to discredit people for their views (correct or not correct) while putting out nothing of any real substance, it is YOU, Neville, Pierce (I will speak for myself, sir) and a few others.
@Mickey Meadows @Neville
Nonsense, there is no “unity” and “harmony” to begin with, and there is no reason why anyone should expect their religious beliefs to be catered to, or their nonreligious beliefs for that matter. As for “scaring off newcomers” – who decides what “scares off newcomers” – you? Criticism of Jews may scare of newcomers. Criticizing Israel may scare off Evangelical Protestants. Saying nice things about Hitler may “scare off newcomers” – should we go full on philo-semite Jared Taylor? Should we avoid criticizing Romney and Republicans to avoid scaring off newcomers?
If I was making the rules, I’d say “no aliens and hollow earth” nonsense, but as we see, you already use that as an excuse to try to censor other topics. Which again, is probably the point of posters like Parsons. It’s not as if these sorts of tactics are new. The “neo-nazi” movement of the 1970s was run by a Jew being as purposefully offensive as he could. William F. Buckley has been termed at alternativeright as a “false opposition.”
I’m not saying I have an answer, or a solution, but I don’t think you do either. I’m not even convinced we are on the “same side” for that matter.
@Mickey Meadows
Wait … now who is engaging in fantasy? This is an internet forum, you are NOT leading White armies into battle here. Get over yourself.
Pierce,
Are you Catholic?
@Tyron Parsons:
Tyron Parsons doesn’t seem to realize that a person can have good ideas & not so good ideas & accepting the good ideas does not in any way mean that the “wacko” ideas have also to be accepted.
Its the message — NOT the messenger –he just doesn’t get it.
Of course I have NO authority to speak for Tyron nor would I ever wish to have as he is entitled to his opinions — some of which I consider “wacko”.
@Richard Pierce:
Richard – it was a metaphor to capture the actual context in which Neville is choosing – or considering the option of – sowing division based on religion.
The context is very much WN sites set up with huge personal sacrifice of time by both KM, the moderators, the writers of articles. What do you think their purpose, or hope, actually is? Does it have something to do with helping to wake up the population to a peril?
The metaphor captures all of that. Not fantasy. Metaphor.
@Richard Pierce:
p.s. Richard, I provided good explanations in response to your earlier points, which were well taken. What is your response? Let us get to the bottom of where the most rational, reasonable, position sits.
My position was that the comments matter only to the extent they repel or attract newcomers. Would you agree with that? Or for you, is it about their leisure value?
You argue that Tyron is being used (or is a foil for) arguments against other conspiracy theories involving 911. My responses is that conspiracies involving 911 are not the problem, but the nonsense that comes along with them such as CGI airplanes. Would you agree with that, or do you in fact think CGI airplanes is part of the explanatioin of 911?
@Tyron Parsons:
Tyron – sometimes it is enough to simply call someone an idiot, and I think that this is one of those times. However, I will stand off from that just a little by giving you the opportunity to work it out for yourself and in so doing show it wasn’t you that was an idiot, but just your views which you duly discarded upon finding out.
Hollow Earth. OK if that’s true there has to be a serious and fundamental mistake regarding the current laws of physics, because according to those laws the massive weight of the crust would immediately crush down and fill the space.
Or indeed you could look at the problem from the direction of the physics of pressure.
For example, if your hollow Earth theory is OK then it shouldn’t be a problem for your low density body to have several tonnes of high density material crushing down on it. Why not try it out, and if you survive to tell us about it, we’ll look again at your hollow Earth idea?
@Mickey Meadows:
Mickey it seems like its “action before thought” with you.
I like to practice “thought before action” especially with those sort of odds.
@Neville:
Neville – ok that’s a theory. So then, havign thought about it, what are you suggesting? Is it that there is a reasonable prospect of convincing Christians to give up their religion?
Having thought about it, you must surely be able to explain the strategic value of raking up conflict between Christian and non-christian WN’s?
This is not to say that Christianity itself or superstition more generally are not major issues that might, might, be important to address in the future either when white identity is a powerful enough force in society, or indeed when whites have successfully managed to restore control over traditionally white societies. But we’re in the here and now, not in the there and then.
Pierce:
You said:
“Tyron Parsons doesn’t seem to realize that a person can have good ideas & not so good ideas & accepting the good ideas does not in any way mean that the “wacko” ideas have also to be accepted.”
Answer:
Yes, I do understand this and I accept and disgard info all the time but I do not paint those who genuinely disagree with me as wacko, especially when I refuse to debate their point(s). My
problem with you and your ilk is that you refuse to debate the issues you have a problem with while slandering me as a wacko. And then when I try to present evidence, I am being censored.
You said:
“Its the message — NOT the messenger –he just doesn’t get it.”
Answer:
Oh, but I do get it and this brings us back to the Jewish tactics of slander for lack of intelligent retort. Bernstein’s 5 steps in exposing Jewish tactics are being followed to a tee here. In particular, right now, step two and three are being employeed. Step two says “If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information”.
Step three says “If that doesn’t work, your next step is character assassination”
You said:
“Of course I have NO authority to speak for Tyron nor would I ever wish to have as he is entitled to his opinions — some of which I consider “wacko”.
Answer:
This is a direct quote from you:
Richard Pierce
June 4, 2012 – 9:53 am | Permalink
“Parsons doesn’t believe any of his nonsense”
This is called presuming the authority to speak for me. So what does that make you?
In summary, concerning the German high tech issue, Antarctica, Byrd, the hollow earth theory and Operation High Jump – Bernstein’s 5th point is being followed by all except one person, as far as I can see…
“If none of these are effective….NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.”
We now have a commenter on this thread called Tyron Parsons, who has “enriched” us with following quotes :
Well dear Tyron, since your fantasy knows no bounds, why don’t you embark on one of those anti gravity vehicles yourself, fly from the N*zi base at Antarctica through the hollow earth to the moon and then to Mars to meet your N*zis and representatives of the Vatican there and leave us serious folks on earth alone?
@Mickey Meadows:
For example, fender recently challenged Christians to decide (paraphrasing) “if you could not have both would you rather live in a White society where Christinaity was outlawed, or an anti-White society where Christianity was thriving”
You know what…that was a good question. Maybe not a good question for the here and now, but for the future…yes., What the answer is I couldn’t begin to know. I mean…whether such a choice would ever arise. But I can see how it might.
But the issue here and now, is that we don’t have any control over our destiny for making big decisioins like that. The challenge we face is how do we ever get that control back to stave off extinction?
The question I therefore ask you, is what is the relevance/value to that current challenge, given our current situation, of raking up division between Christian and non-Christian. What is the value…you must be able to answer that question, given you claim to be a thinker.
Mickey:
Mickey
You said:
“Hollow Earth. OK if that’s true there has to be a serious and fundamental mistake regarding the current laws of physics, because according to those laws the massive weight of the crust would immediately crush down and fill the space.”
Answer:
Wrong…why? This is because the center of gravity is in the material space that separates both the inner sphere and outer sphere. Hence, if one is inside the inner sphere, they would be walking on the land there (upside down to us on the outer sphere) because the gravity in the space between the spheres would be holding them in place, just as it does us who walk on the surface of the globe. The Horizon one would see (if they could) on the inside actually goes up rather than down. Imagine a mouse inside a massive globe- so big the mouse could not see where the globe curves upward and you are starting to get it. Remember, the gravity center is inside the space that separates the two “worlds”; hence no one would be crushed.
I will ingore your continued name calling-this time.
Franklin Ryckaert:
You are engaged in Jewish slander tactics # 2 & 3 as spelled out by Jack Bernstein. They are as follows:
Step two says
“If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information”.
Step three says “If that doesn’t work, your next step is character assassination”
Have you have heard of Operation High Jump. This is a yes or no question. Remember, if you keep calling me names Mr. Franklin Ryckaert- you might as well be calling Ernst Zundel names because I am echoing HIS research. You want to be in that camp?
@Tyron Parsons:
No, I hadn’t heard about Operation High Jump, but I looked it up : it was a scientific expedition to Antartica with nothing mysterious about it. Don’t start me with the socalled “secret diary” of admiral Richard E. Byrd about his alleged journey into the hollow earth. That is an urban legend.
When you ridicule a person’s ideas it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re using “Jewish slander tactics”, it might very well be so that the ideas are indeed too ridiculous to be taken seriously, which is clearly the case here.
Ernst Zundel may be a nice fellow but that doesn’t mean he’s always right.
Sorry, but I’m not going to believe in a hollow earth or in N*zi and Vatican bases on the moon or Mars.
Common sense, my friend, common sense.
Franklin Ryckaert
You said:
“No, I hadn’t heard about Operation High Jump, but I looked it up : it was a scientific expedition to Antarctica with nothing mysterious about it. Don’t start me with the so called “secret diary” of Admiral Richard E. Byrd about his alleged journey into the hollow earth. That is an urban legend.”
Answer:
Right, and if you buy that I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. NO true expedition has a massive Antarctic Naval Armada that included 4,700 men, 13 ships, and multiple aircraft, 2 destroyers, an aircraft carrier and a submarine with British-Norwegian, Russian forces, and probably some Australian and Canadian forces.
That’s akin to tell my wife I’m simply going to get the mail when all my friends and I leave the home dressed up in full camouflage, armed with a M-60-M16A2’s, A SAW, and a helicopter for support.
I am ex military. Do you believe everything the military says about its operations? It seems so. Why is operation High Jump still classified when practically all major operations of the time period are no longer? Because they found some iron ore? Wake up pal!
Right after Byrd abandoned the “expedition”, after the US naval Armada was greatly crippled with a very large loss of life; limping its way back to North America, Byrd was interviewed by Lee Van Atta on 5 March, 1947. The “El Mercurio” newspaper of Santiago, Chile’s headline said “On Board the Mount Olympus on the High Seas”.
Byrd was quoted as saying:
“Adm. Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defense measures against hostile regions. Furthermore, Byrd stated that he “didn’t want to frighten anyone unduly” but that it was “a bitter reality that in case of a new war the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds”.
Soon after Byrd’s return stateside he was remanded to a Hospital and not allowed to do any more press conferences. He faired better than Forrestal who did choose speak with the press concerning these things, and the next thing you know, he committed “suicide” by throwing himself out of the 19th floor of Bethesda Naval Hospital.
You said:
When you ridicule a person’s ideas it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re using “Jewish slander tactics”.
Answer:
When you’re on a pro white cite which are known for Jewish infiltrator’s and trolls, it is a only common sense that those Jewish trolls will be using their known method of verbal warfare; “slander and character assassination for lack of intelligent retort”.
If the quote of yours below is not slander and character assassination, then nothing is;
“Well dear Tyron, since your fantasy knows no bounds, why don’t you embark on one of those anti gravity vehicles yourself, fly from the N*zi base at Antarctica through the hollow earth to the moon and then to Mars to meet your N*zis and representatives of the Vatican there and leave us serious folks on earth alone?”
You said:
“ it might very well be so that the ideas are indeed too ridiculous to be taken seriously, which is clearly the case here”
Answer:
Really? Then debate the merits of it…ever think of that genius?
You said:.
Ernst Zundel may be a nice fellow but that doesn’t mean he’s always right.
Answer:
I never said he was ‘always right”, but the fact that you characterize my conclusions which are almost identical to Zundels means that you must desire for Zundel to ALSO leave you folks alone; this so you might “debate” your assumed conclusions on the Jewish/German question(s) unchallenged.
You said:
Sorry, but I’m not going to believe in a hollow earth or in N*zi and Vatican bases on the moon or Mars; Common sense, my friend, common sense.
Answer:
No one is twisting your arm-are they? Keep believing the “official” stories the Jewish Controlled USA has been spewing for a millennium or more. I care not…no skin off my back…
Everyone,
I will try to post a couple links again. This is Jan Lamprecht, author of “Hollow Planets” and the African Crisis website, (as he) discusses a feasibility study conducted on the possibility of a hollow Earth, based on seismic data.
Consider if you so choose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLhDgmufszg&feature=related
This simple experiment makes a great argument for all of the hollow Earth (in this case soap bubbles in a sphere of water in microgravity) believers out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw
@Richard Pierce:
I want to point out what appears to be another example of hypocrisy on your part.
(Previously, under the T.O.O. article titled “How They Lie To Us”, I gave a different example of your hypocrisy — if you are interested, you can find it written at 4:43pm on May 30, 2012.)
Today, in your comment to Mickey Meadows above, you wrote:
That seems hypocritical considering that, under a different article, you wrote the following:
(I added the words “television channel” in brackets, in case others are unfamiliar with FOX.)
Here is another one of your quotes which, compared with what you wrote to Mickey Meadows above, seems hypocritical:
End quote.
I figure that most (or maybe all) people are hypocritical once in a while; I’m not looking down on you for that. I know that I have been hypocritical in my life. But since you often seem to be looking down on other commenters, and since you sometimes bring me into your (critical) comments, I wanted to share that example of your apparent hypocrisy.
Here is another quote from your comment above (to Mickey Meadows) :
Keeping in mind some of your comments over the past few weeks, I think it is likely that you are, to some extent, projecting some of your own qualities. Again, I want to clarify that I’m not looking down on you for that, because I too project. And I’m not discounting your thoughts and concerns.
(I did not intend to use the word “some” three times in one sentence, in the paragraph above. It might make it awkward, but in a way it helps.)
There is probably partial truth, something valuable in every comment — not that all comments are equally good or true. Anyway, I’ve been thinking about your comments, concerns, and frustration, and I see value in some of the things you write.
We all have the right to pass over comments.
Something tells me Tyron Parsons and others are switching the subject away from Heisenberg and the claimed nuclear bomb. (And not sending a simple email to D Irving).
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While I’m here let me point to a difference between ordinary explosives and nukes. With something like TNT, dynamite, ammonium nitrate and oil etc each molecule is unstable – one fire or shock has started the explosion, all the nitroglycerine etc molecules explode. BUT with the supposed nuke mechanism, heat etc has no effect; neutrons are emitted at just the same random rate as before. So if U235 or whatever expands, turns to gas, etc the rate of heating will slow – it would fizzle out in a way impossible with ordinary explosives. Just a small point. (NB films of alleged H bombs show a double flash – i.e. about 1/15 second between film frames! Laughable stuff).
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I would be grateful if people would look into this subject – for one thing, the alleged threat from Iran hinges on it. However, I admit even the most sceptical people, including physicists who love to debate Einstein, won’t make any attempt to comment.
@Mickey Meadows:
Mickey Meadows & Tyron Parsons seem to live in “twilight zones”
———– “I’m out”
@Tyron Parsons:
You are trying to promote wild theories on a blog site that does not feature pseudoscience. And if you prefer to think that your theories are real, then an honest person would have to admit they are very far out of the mainstream and this is not the proper forum for discussing them. There is always something suspicious about someone who wants to take a fundamentally deeply technical scientific question and hash it out with random dudes on some Internet forum. I don’t buy it.
@Will Fredericks:
I never conceded any such thing. You’re delusional.
I am not an Esoteric Hitlerist.
@Richard:
My focus is broader than that. I think if White people had a more realistic picture of Adolf Hitler and National-Socialist Germany as people like themselves, the Holocaust story would seem unlikely per se. It’s only after you believe other, smaller lies that the Holohoax seems to make sense.
@Neville:
Neville – if you’re so easily out, you weren’t much cop in the first place.
@Tyron Parsons:
Tyron, I had some spare time last night so I looked at the hollow earth theory. It relies on the idea of a centre of gravity at the centre point of a small outer crust encompassing an inner sun where the Earth’s core should be.
Two problems. Firstly why is gravity so strong at the surface if there is only this thin crust? The gravitational constant must be massively larger than we think…easily checked in experiments…and guess what….those experiments have already taken place and it ain’t so.
Secondly…the centre of gravity wouldn’t be in the midpoint of the thin crust anyway. It would be at the centre of the sun object in the middle. So, it will all collapse into the sun…unless it was spinning very fast which it isn’t.
Goodbye Tyron. If you are a genuine WN, consider changing your name and coming back….this time in a way that helps not hinders us.
Rerevisionist:
I already explained the email thing. Get off your lazy as- and post it here if YOU want the email sent. I will still send my email YOU requestedif YOU do so.
There is no switching subjects. ALL I EVER SAID was that it would not suprise me if the Germans had atomic type weapons DUE to their advancements in other technologise. The reason we are still speaking on this subject is because YOU BOZOS forced be to defend this position for 2 freakin days! Now your pissed your looking the fool again.That ain’t my fault, its all your own.
Neville
Obviously your back to Jewish slander and character assassination tactics BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO….again
Jason:
As I explained to rerevisionst above, if the Germans had anti Gravity tech it is not too much of a jump to believe they also had Atomic weapons technology. That is the point. The “main stream” is more crap that real. If we are to measure truth by what the majority believe/think then the Germans murdered 6 million Jews- dunce! TOO is out of the “mainstream”. There is something inherently wrong when a “dude” wants to ignore the evidence presented concerning German technological questions on a non mainstream saying that those theories are wrong by virtue of them not being accepted by mainstream thought. Could you get more contradictory and hypocritical?
Rerevisionist:
I already explained the email thing. Get off your lazy (you know what) and post it here if YOU want the email sent. I will still send my email YOU requestedif YOU do so.
There is no switching subjects. ALL I EVER SAID was that it would not suprise me if the Germans had atomic type weapons DUE to their advancements in other technologise. The reason we are still speaking on this subject is because YOU people forced be to defend this position for 2 freakin days! Now your pissed your looking the fool again.That ain’t my fault, its all your own.
Neville
Obviously your back to Jewish slander and character assassination tactics BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO….again
Jason:
As I explained to rerevisionst above, if the Germans had anti Gravity tech it is not too much of a jump to believe they also had Atomic weapons technology. That is the point. The “main stream” is more crap that real. If we are to measure truth by what the majority believe/think then the Germans murdered 6 million Jews! TOO is out of the “mainstream”. There is something inherently wrong when a “dude” wants to ignore the evidence presented concerning German technological questions on a non mainstream saying that those theories are wrong by virtue of them not being accepted by mainstream thought. Could you get more contradictory and hypocritical?
(Moderator. It would be nice if you would quit moderating my comments. You all getting angry that these people are being made the fool they have been acting? Here is my post again without the labels I put upon them-rightly so)
@Richard Pierce:
Richard – my reaction to what you say here would be along the lines of, at least you are thinking about the issues.
You mustn’t ever assume someone in a forum like this is on the right side. I’ve posted about this on several occasions. But on the other hand, it is actually harmful to create suspicion as well. It’s easy to see how that might be the case by simply recognizing that doing that would be a pretty good enemy strategy.
We don’t all need to agree on the details if we can just agree on some principles. Principles can be based on higher level logic/reasoning so much less subjective.
The immediate principle I suggested, which you criticized above, was that the value of the comments is to the extent they repel or attract newcomers. You yourself pointed out there are only a few regular commenters, so it surely can’t be about their interpersonal relationships. So it has to be about the newcomers and the people that read but don’t comment.
In answer to your criticism…I accept totally that there are questions and playoffs that are themselves difficult to resolve. For example, one might argue that to speak up about the hostility of organized Jewry might be ‘bad’ for attracting newcomers. Where does it end?
The answer to this is not easy. But I think it addressed by the proposal that all WN’s need to work hard on developing an instinct for ‘what is good for the whites’. It’s only by really working at it that we can make better and better judgements at finer and finer levels of detail while preserving high levels of consistency across the WN world, despite there being no organizational structure to help with that.
My judgement is that, the raison de etre of this site is to speak openly about a subject that can reasonably be predicted to have far wider (and growing) resonance in the general population than is actually evident on the surface.
That raison de etre is a big enough chunk by itself for newcomers to cope with. So I would suggest talk about that and about the equal rights of whites (say to define and pursue legitimate ethnic interests) should all be the guiding principle of ‘what is good for us’ at the level of detail of this comment section in context of the question of repelling or attracting newcomers.
Mickey,
The theory of a center sun is just another portion of the hollow earth theory. Besides, if there was an inner type of sun and its gravity was equal to the gravity as the center of the land mass that is the gulf between the inner and outter spheres, then the gavitational forces would cancel eachother out. If you look at Jan’s model from the link I provided, it is not a “thin crust”. The entire mass of the planet is contained between the spheres.
Lastly, if you LOOKED over the evidence presented in those two links you woud have seen this. You can’t claim something is wrong with a theory when a person gives you evidence and then YOU ignore that evidence, citing someone else’s theory and evidence. I will NOT leave then come back under a different name and this regardless of you folks being too dense to understand simple physics.
Everyone,
I am trying to respond to Neville, Jason, Rerevisionst but the moderator keeps “moderating” my comments. Don’t worry- they are coming however- that you can count on.. :)
Neville
Obviously your back to Jewish slander and character assassination tactics BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO….again
Jason:
As I explained to rerevisionst above, if the Germans had anti Gravity tech it is not too much of a jump to believe they also had Atomic weapons technology. That is the point. The “main stream” is more crap that real. If we are to measure truth by what the majority believe/think then the Germans murdered 6 million Jews! TOO is out of the “mainstream”. There is something inherently wrong when a “dude” wants to ignore the evidence presented concerning German technological questions on a non mainstream saying that those theories are wrong by virtue of them not being accepted by mainstream thought. Could you get more contradictory and hypocritical?
@Tyron Parsons:
for gravity to be 9.81 ms^-2 at the surface yet the earth be hollow the gravitational constant must be vastly largeer than we think. This is pre-refuted by experiment. How do you deal with that? Don’t hide from it…take it head on…how do you deal with it?
Rerevisionist:
I already explained the email thing. For the last time, go and get it and post it here if YOU want the email sent. I will still send my email YOU requested if YOU do so.
There is no switching subjects. ALL I EVER SAID was that it would not suprise me if the Germans had atomic type weapons DUE to their advancements in other technologise. The reason we are still speaking on this subject is because YOU people forced be to defend this position for 2 days! That ain’t my fault, its all your own
Mickey,
Your ilks entire position is founded upon the Cavendish experient conducted in 1797–98 by British scientist Henry Cavendish. All scientists since then have based their work on Cavendish. He supposes that the mass of the earth is 6.6 trillion tons. Here is the problem. There is no method of cross checking these results. Also, there are many assuptions with this experiement.the lead balls used in this experiment are electrically neutral hence if there is any difference at all between the lead balls and the planets- the experiment is meaningless. The earth contains electrical currents inside of it-1 BILLION amps. If electricity effects gravity then again, the experiment is useless. Keep in mind that static electricty has an attractive force which is more stronger than electricity. Scientists assume that planets are electrically neutral with no effects of static. If anyone one of these many assuptions are off or false in any way shape or form, the experiment is meaningless-so your post of the gavitational consistancy is without a measurable basis in comparison. The total of earth’s mass could be more than 6.6 trillion tons or less. Again, if you would have watched Lan’s lecture that I posted, you would have known the answer to your question.
Rerevisionist:
I already explained in a pervious post concerning the problems I was having emailing Irving. For the last time, go and get it and post it here, if you want me to email Irving. You are the one that asked me to so if you would please post his email address here, I would then be able to send out the email you desire me to. How many times do I have to repeat this?
There is no switching subjects. All I ever said was that it would not suprise me if the Germans had atomic type weapons due to their advancements in other technologise.
The reason the subjects I brought up in one sentence in one post out of some 40 was because you people will not drop it while you keep slandering me-never addressing the issues you call crazy. If you would not have attacked me relentlessly, I would not have been forced for 2 days to defend myself. Hence, this us your ilks fault and not my fault.
Rerevisionist:
Post Irvings email as requested and I will email Irving as you requested.
I have maintained that the Germans advancements in technology far outweigh the mount of tech required to produce an atomic weapon. If you would not have attacked me on these subjects we would not still be speaking about them.
Everyone,
After reposting about 6 different messages addressing a certain person here I have come to the conclusion that the moderator that keeps stopping my messages is not a computer. I have rewritten a paticular post about 6 times and the “moderator” continues to refuse me access to the board- but, for some reason, allows me to speak to other members. Go figure…lol