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		<title>By: Hasbara Matata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hasbara Matata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Z.O.G.&lt;/a&gt;: 

It&#039;s been quite a while. You have ears to hear; so I&#039;d like to say it, in the hope you might see it.

I&#039;ve learned things from him, but I&#039;m a bit wary of Carrier, particularly since he seems to be moving towards a hard-line Mythicist position.  It seems to me that the purely mythical Jesus stance is surreptitiously impelled by philo-Semitism; that it is fundamentally Politically Correct: it allows the skeptic or anti-Christian never to have to come to terms with what a real Jewish rebel would have believed. (That most of its adherents are recalcitrant ideologues and argue their belief with a religious fervor also make me suspicious in this regard.)

So this neo-Mythicist position looks to me to be a convenient way to avoid the inevitable anti-Jewish feeling that would arise in any thinking person with the understanding that Jesus was an ethnonationalist Jewish supremacist who hated non-Jews, who initially was spun by self-interested Hellenized Jews into a Graeco-Roman friendly figure. 

It also strikes me as compulsive, because making a flesh-and-blood Jesus into a myth is what the early Jewish authors of Christianity themselves did: they launched a Jewish rebel into the safety of the mythological ozone so as to defuse &#039;anti-Semitism&#039;-- Paul himself not the least among them of those who did this.

I&#039;m not hardline &#039;Zealot Jesus&#039;; the forces were multifarious and complex.  But the hardcore Mythicist position looks to me like yet another repetition of the forces that created the Christian illness to begin with, another attempt to steer understanding down effectively the same path to avoid the real Jesus, and ultimately for the benefit of Jews.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84203" rel="nofollow">Z.O.G.</a>: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been quite a while. You have ears to hear; so I&#8217;d like to say it, in the hope you might see it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned things from him, but I&#8217;m a bit wary of Carrier, particularly since he seems to be moving towards a hard-line Mythicist position.  It seems to me that the purely mythical Jesus stance is surreptitiously impelled by philo-Semitism; that it is fundamentally Politically Correct: it allows the skeptic or anti-Christian never to have to come to terms with what a real Jewish rebel would have believed. (That most of its adherents are recalcitrant ideologues and argue their belief with a religious fervor also make me suspicious in this regard.)</p>
<p>So this neo-Mythicist position looks to me to be a convenient way to avoid the inevitable anti-Jewish feeling that would arise in any thinking person with the understanding that Jesus was an ethnonationalist Jewish supremacist who hated non-Jews, who initially was spun by self-interested Hellenized Jews into a Graeco-Roman friendly figure. </p>
<p>It also strikes me as compulsive, because making a flesh-and-blood Jesus into a myth is what the early Jewish authors of Christianity themselves did: they launched a Jewish rebel into the safety of the mythological ozone so as to defuse &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217;&#8211; Paul himself not the least among them of those who did this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not hardline &#8216;Zealot Jesus&#8217;; the forces were multifarious and complex.  But the hardcore Mythicist position looks to me like yet another repetition of the forces that created the Christian illness to begin with, another attempt to steer understanding down effectively the same path to avoid the real Jesus, and ultimately for the benefit of Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedophilia, Incest, and the Judeo-Islamic Tradition &#124; NY Untermensch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedophilia, Incest, and the Judeo-Islamic Tradition &#124; NY Untermensch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to Catholicism. (Crypto-Jews are still a major problem in the Catholic Church, see here and here.)  With the success of the industry of fictitious Jewish victimhood, this expulsion has come to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Catholicism. (Crypto-Jews are still a major problem in the Catholic Church, see here and here.)  With the success of the industry of fictitious Jewish victimhood, this expulsion has come to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pierre de Craon&lt;/a&gt;: 

it&#039;s not a logically defensible position, but I know that the very fact we exist now, proves we will exist again. Otherwise...just imagine the coincidence...showing up at that very same moment in all eternity you happen to have existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84968" rel="nofollow">Pierre de Craon</a>: </p>
<p>it&#8217;s not a logically defensible position, but I know that the very fact we exist now, proves we will exist again. Otherwise&#8230;just imagine the coincidence&#8230;showing up at that very same moment in all eternity you happen to have existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre de Craon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre de Craon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84972&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alice Teller&lt;/a&gt;: If only, Alice, if only …]]></description>
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		<title>By: Pierre de Craon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre de Craon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-85013&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;D. K.&lt;/a&gt;: Thank you very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-85013" rel="nofollow">D. K.</a>: Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: D. K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pierre de Craon&lt;/a&gt;: 

I have put in a formal query. I shall let you know, if and when he gets back to me with an answer....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84968" rel="nofollow">Pierre de Craon</a>: </p>
<p>I have put in a formal query. I shall let you know, if and when he gets back to me with an answer&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TyronRobertParsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>TyronRobertParsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84994&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Franklin Ryckaert&lt;/a&gt;: 

Simply put, it was the isles of north and west in Europe. Second, it was not 100,000, it was many more over a 70 yr period. Beyond that, they did not go into Europe in 721 BC they left old Israel then and spent MANY generations in the east before they crossed into Europe. They were the goths, saxons, vandals, franks, scots, Irish etc etc. 

You are speaking nonsense as usual and have your ancient history completely messed up.

LOL- look, National Geographic is getting in the action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFlYqVk88o0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84994" rel="nofollow">Franklin Ryckaert</a>: </p>
<p>Simply put, it was the isles of north and west in Europe. Second, it was not 100,000, it was many more over a 70 yr period. Beyond that, they did not go into Europe in 721 BC they left old Israel then and spent MANY generations in the east before they crossed into Europe. They were the goths, saxons, vandals, franks, scots, Irish etc etc. </p>
<p>You are speaking nonsense as usual and have your ancient history completely messed up.</p>
<p>LOL- look, National Geographic is getting in the action.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFlYqVk88o0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFlYqVk88o0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Franklin Ryckaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin Ryckaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84983&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TyronRobertParsons&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The &quot;lost tribes&quot; ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In 721 BC, the date of the expulsion of those &quot;lost tribes&quot; from Northern Palestine, that &quot;almost empty&quot; Europe had about 27 million inhabitants,  while the inhabitants of the Northern kingdom of Israel who were expelled by the Assyrians, cannot have exceeded 100,000 ( as per &lt;i&gt;Atlas of World Population History&lt;/i&gt; by Colin McEvedy and Richard Jones ).

Besides, before 721BC Europe had already known the Minoan Civilization of Crete ( 2700 - 1500 BC ), the Mycenaean Civilization of Greece ( 1900 - 1100 BC ) and the Etruscan Civilization of Central Italy ( 800 - 500 BC ), while the traditional date of the foundation of Rome is 753 BC.

Further North lived Celtic, Germanic, Slavonic and Baltic tribes, all several thousands of years older than those  miserable Semites from Northern Palestine, whom you consider - against all chronological common sense - as their ancestors.

Stop repeating your CI drivel, you&#039;re getting annoying!
May the lightning of the angry &lt;i&gt;Zeus of the Olympus&lt;/i&gt; strike you!

Finally, - as always - a spelling mistake :
prodical son &gt; prodigal son]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84983" rel="nofollow">TyronRobertParsons</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The &#8220;lost tribes&#8221; ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In 721 BC, the date of the expulsion of those &#8220;lost tribes&#8221; from Northern Palestine, that &#8220;almost empty&#8221; Europe had about 27 million inhabitants,  while the inhabitants of the Northern kingdom of Israel who were expelled by the Assyrians, cannot have exceeded 100,000 ( as per <i>Atlas of World Population History</i> by Colin McEvedy and Richard Jones ).</p>
<p>Besides, before 721BC Europe had already known the Minoan Civilization of Crete ( 2700 &#8211; 1500 BC ), the Mycenaean Civilization of Greece ( 1900 &#8211; 1100 BC ) and the Etruscan Civilization of Central Italy ( 800 &#8211; 500 BC ), while the traditional date of the foundation of Rome is 753 BC.</p>
<p>Further North lived Celtic, Germanic, Slavonic and Baltic tribes, all several thousands of years older than those  miserable Semites from Northern Palestine, whom you consider &#8211; against all chronological common sense &#8211; as their ancestors.</p>
<p>Stop repeating your CI drivel, you&#8217;re getting annoying!<br />
May the lightning of the angry <i>Zeus of the Olympus</i> strike you!</p>
<p>Finally, &#8211; as always &#8211; a spelling mistake :<br />
prodical son &gt; prodigal son</p>
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		<title>By: TyronRobertParsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>TyronRobertParsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84958&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We&lt;/a&gt;: 

The white European peoples were in Paganism when they initially forsook their creator 721 BC and were banished from the land. The &quot;lost tribes&quot; ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe and accepted Christ (read the prodical son-explains it). Returning to fallen angel worship is not the answer. This is what keeps us down and unable to be the dominating power of the world- history alone should have taught you that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84958" rel="nofollow">We</a>: </p>
<p>The white European peoples were in Paganism when they initially forsook their creator 721 BC and were banished from the land. The &#8220;lost tribes&#8221; ended up migrating into an almost empty Europe and accepted Christ (read the prodical son-explains it). Returning to fallen angel worship is not the answer. This is what keeps us down and unable to be the dominating power of the world- history alone should have taught you that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-84968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pierre de Craon&lt;/a&gt;: 
No wonder you are ailing, Pierre. You are suffering from too much NY. Come South where we have deep porches on our ocean front houses. We will feed you organic food, homemade yogurt, fresh fish and lather you with sunscreen for a dip in the ocean, followed by a nap  in the hammock before cocktail hour. We will have you feeling better in no time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-84968" rel="nofollow">Pierre de Craon</a>:<br />
No wonder you are ailing, Pierre. You are suffering from too much NY. Come South where we have deep porches on our ocean front houses. We will feed you organic food, homemade yogurt, fresh fish and lather you with sunscreen for a dip in the ocean, followed by a nap  in the hammock before cocktail hour. We will have you feeling better in no time.</p>
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