On August 15, 1992, Arthur Jensen delivered a well-received speech to a packed audience at the Centennial Convention of the American Psychological Association in Washington, D.C. Jensen’s invited address, “The Cyril Burt Scandal, Research Taboos, and the Media,” focused on the investigative findings of two meticulously researched books (Robert Joynson’s The Burt Affair and Ronald Fletcher’s Science, Ideology, and the Media: The Cyril Burt Scandal) which all but exonerated Cyril Burt, the eminent British psychologist, of allegations of fraud in his study of identical twins reared apart.
Burt’s detractors seized on suspicious statistical anomalies to claim that he fabricated data in his twin study findings. Insufficient details of the collection and analysis of data on Burt’s part helped fuel the speculation that Burt fudged some of his work. Joynson and Fletcher independently concluded that the totality of the evidence of fraud was based on conjecture, innuendo, and exaggerations. Both authors presented a compelling case that Burt’s critics intentionally set out to discredit one of the most distinguished reputations in the annals of British psychology. Fletcher and Joynson marshaled enough counter evidence to show that Burt’s detractors rushed to judgment, made claims that were eventually found to be untrue (such as missing assistants), and omitted crucial evidence, some of which was intentionally destroyed, that may have exonerated Burt of misconduct.
The International Ballroom West of the Washington Hilton Hotel was packed with several hundred APA attendees, including a number of noteworthy psychologists. Jensen showed photos of Burt from his own collection, relayed what it was like to work as Burt’s understudy, and summarized the case for Burt’s defense. He explained some of the animosity of Burt’s detractors and the likely personal and political motivations for discrediting such a distinguished psychologist.
Jensen’s remarks were based, in part, on a book chapter, “Scientific Fraud or False Accusations? The Case of Cyril Burt,” that was published in 1992. Here’s how Jensen summarized the Burt fiasco:
The case of Sir Cyril Burt is probably the most bizarre episode in the entire history of academic psychology. This is due to a unique combination of elements — the socially touchy subject of Burt’s major research; his genuinely outstanding accomplishments; his mysteriously complex character; and finally, some years after his death, the damaging accusations leveled against him and the extreme and strangely virulent vilifications of his reputation that ensued. Burt’s posthumous worldwide notoriety surely exceeds the considerable fame and acclaim he enjoyed during his long and immensely distinguished career.
One psychologist who attended Jensen’s lecture was Nancy Segal. As the assistant director of the Minnesota Center for Twin and Adoption Research in the psychology department at the University of Minnesota, Segal helped manage one of the most important twin study projects in the last half of the twentieth century. She has written the definitive account of the Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart (MISTRA) in Born Together-Reared Apart published last June by Harvard University Press.
In the introduction Segal captures what she refers to as “the Climate of the Times.” The Burt case, as Segal notes, has larger implications for twin study research. On the one hand Burt’s data is no longer relevant given the reliability of data from other twin studies. On the other hand, Burt’s detractors understood the significance of twin studies research: it offers a unique window on human nature. Specifically this research tool is used to sort out the influence of heredity and environment on human development, in particular, differences in personality, intelligence, psychopathology, social attitudes, and other traits and attributes.
The significance of Burt’s research findings compared with that of the MISTRA results is that both produced identical genetic correlations on intelligence: 0.771 for identical twins reared apart. As Jensen noted in his 1992 lecture, if Burt in fact faked his data, he had the clairvoyance to make up an accurate statistical correlation to the third decimal point! (As a birthday gift some years later, Segal and another assistant presented Bouchard with a t-shirt that featured the number “.771” stamped on the shirt.)
Learned scholars such as Segal, Thomas Bouchard, the director of MISTRA, the late David Lykken, a pioneering psychologist and MISTRA researcher, David Rowe, Lee Willerman, and many others have punctured the behaviorist stranglehold that dominated the profession for decades.
Marxist ideologues committed to extreme egalitarian environmentalism—such as Leon Kamin, Ashley Montagu, and the late Stephen Jay Gould—have been the harshest critics of behavior genetic research. Kamin and Gould seized on Burt’s statistical anomalies in their failed attempt to discredit an entire field of research. These critics understand the broad ramifications that twin study findings can yield — illuminating the comparative contributions of genes and environment as well as their interactions in shaping behavioral differences. If genes play a substantial role in mental abilities, the effectiveness of social engineering programs advocated by egalitarians, such as Head Start, is called into question.
Segal has a firm grasp on the political climate and prevailing headwinds that the directors of the MISTRA project faced from the outset. She explains that in 1979, when MISTRA was launched, standard psychology textbooks credited “social learning” and “socializing” as the primary factor influencing behavioral development. Segal begins her introduction with a priceless quote from psychologist Walter Mischel:
Genes and glands [sic!] are obviously important, but social learning also has a dramatic role. Imagine the enormous differences that would be found in the personalities of twins with identical genetic endowments if they were raised apart in two different families — or, even more striking, in two totally different cultures.
In fact, studies of identical twins reared apart confirm just the opposite. Segal’s book is full of examples of how various sets of twins, though raised in different households and separated from each other, in some cases for decades, were eerily similar in terms of behavior, interests, outlook, habits, temperament, intelligence, and personality traits. Take the case of the “Jim twins” — Jim Lewis and Jim Springer. The identical twins were separated at four weeks of age and adopted by two families that lived forty miles from each other but each family had been told the other twin had died. Decades later the twins were reunited. Shortly thereafter, Bouchard reached the twins and invited them to the university for further evaluation. This encounter helped launch the MISTRA project. The similarities of the two Jims were phenomenal:
Members of the research team said many times that they did not expect the twins to be as similar as they were. Relying on statistical findings, Bouchard discovered that on most of the twenty-three vocational test categories, the Jims were as alike as the same person taking the same test twice. And their California Psychological Inventory scale scores were so alike that one twin’s profile could be superimposed upon the other’s.
Over the duration of the study — a 20-year period — Bouchard and his research team collected data from “137 reunited sets” of twins (both identical and fraternal twins), which resulted in 150 publications. Academic researchers continue to utilize and analyze MISTRA data in published scholarship.
The range of findings from the Minnesota Twin study project is quite impressive: the genetic influence on individual differences in personality traits is 50 percent and for intelligence, 70 percent of the variation is caused by people having different genes. Significant genetic effects were found to underlie “intrinsic and general job satisfaction.” And there is a a moderate genetic effect for male sexual orientation (little or none in females), a high genetic correlation between alcohol and drug abuse (0.78), a fifty percent genetic influence on religiosity as well as “negligible shared environmental effect.” The mean heritability for vocational interests was 0.50 with “little evidence that rearing impacted vocational interests.” Other measures of genetic influence spanned an array of psychological and physiological areas: creativity, work values, psychopathology, authoritarianism, social attitudes, mental abilities (general intelligence and special abilities), cognition, happiness, impulsivity and sensation seeking, body size, allergies, cardiac performance, and dental traits.
The comprehensive design of the study, which covered the twins’ travel expenses, lodging and meals for a week, put the twins under rigorous psychological and medical evaluation. Segal estimates that the twins “completed 15,000 questions during the study week.” Methodologically more than one test was used to study many of the twins’ traits. The thoroughness of the study and careful deliberations of the researchers helped to insulate the study from the shortfalls of other twin studies and to preclude critics from nitpicking the findings.
In the chapter on “Personality and IQ,” Segal emphasizes a key point that is often lost in much of the popular coverage of MISTRA over the years. The New York Times and other news organizations stressed the genetic implications of the study’s IQ and personality results, but often in a misleading narrative. As Segal notes,
The Minnesota personality findings were misinterpreted by many. We did not say that parenting does not matter — parents can help shy children feel at ease or help rambunctious kids calm down, as Kagan had shown. One implication of our work was that parents should pay close attention to each child’s unique character traits and nurture each child’s individual interests. Paradoxically, parental fairness seems more likely to come from treating children differently in accordance with their individual behaviors than from treating them alike. Of course, this assumes that family environments are within the normal range (i.e., free of abuse and deprivation).
The bottom line from our data was that growing up together does not make family members alike. Instead, our findings showed that personality similarity between relatives seems to come mostly from their shared genes. Furthermore, environmental effects that are most important in personality development appear to be those that are experienced apart from the family — the nonshared environmental factors; their contributions to the different personality traits were often close to those from genetic factors.
In reading Segal’s account of the MISTRA project, one is struck by the magnitude of the study, the workload of the researchers, and the careful planning and preparation devoted to methodological details in order to avoid quicksand-like traps posed by arch-critics. Such an undertaking required major funding, grants from private and public sources. Of course, hostile adversaries will seize on any thin reed to undermine the standing or credibility of a study with the ramifications of MISTRA. One such criticism was to complain about the major source of funding: The Pioneer Fund.
The Fund was established in “1937 to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences.” Over the years it has been an important source of support for landmark research projects in the behavioral sciences. Pioneer Fund grantees have included Nobel Prize winning scientists, a former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), two grantees are among the top five psychologists cited in the scientific literature, other recipients have served as presidents of the British Psychological Society, the Psychometric Society, the Behavior Genetics Association, two were Guggenheim Fellows, others hold top academic honors or are fellows of leading scientific organizations, such as the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Psychological Association, Educational Testing Service, and Mensa. One of the initial Pioneer Fund directors, John M. Harlan, a Rhodes scholar, served as a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, nominated by Eisenhower to serve on the nation’s highest court.
Needless to say, the Fund’s track record of underwriting important, top-notch academic research is without question. The fact that Pioneer has also funded projects that explored comparative racial, ethnic, and group differences in psychological traits (intelligence and personality) and educational performance has inflamed righteous fury from egalitarian critics. Pioneer supported William Shockley’s work on racial differences as well as the work of Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton on racial differences and general intelligence.
Segal offers a direct and reasonable explanation regarding the “controversy” over accepting Pioneer grants. She notes that the funding from Pioneer placed no conditions or restrictions for accepting their grants. Pioneer provided more than half of the overall total funding ($1,420,551 of $2,330,720) for the project. As Segal points out,
One of the benefits of writing this book has been the opportunity to obtain professional and personal perspectives from each investigator, not just about the science but also about how the science was done. Every colleague stands by the findings, including those who tried to dissuade Bouchard from accepting Pioneer Fund grants. The money partly supported the salaries of many project associates, secretaries, and research assistants, including mine. As Bouchard said in 2009, “If not for Pioneer we would have folded long ago.”
The integrity of MISTRA, the dedication of the researchers, and the overall significance of the landmark twin studies project have stood the test of time. Despite the strong counter-currents of the prevailing environmentalist dogma of the ’70s and ’80s, and the continuing vociferous opposition of left-wing critics, the MISTRA has contributed to a substantially wider acknowledgement of the importance of heredity as a major source of differences in human behavior. The influence of genes on human behavior can no longer be denied and adoption and twin study projects, such as MISTRA, have made a major impact in this sea-change of direction. Segal’s book is an informative and well-written account of this landmark project.
Facing the Future as a Minority
No, everybody is the same, exactly the same. And the reason blacks and browns can’t succeed is because evil whitey keeps them down.
The incentive to attack any study that shows the significance of genetic traits is tied to goveernment money and power, and who wields it. If everyone is the same, any failure of a government program to redress the inequality produced by society can be safely blamed on a lack of funding. The call goes out to get more money, to fight harder against the injustice, and the power accrues to the government agencies and their noble fight against the outrage.
Until we have complete annihilation of the white race, the government will suppress the truth of racial differences since accepting them would limit its power.
When the last whites left are all jews, then these studies will gain credibility.
Dear Mr. Sterling: Do you have the sense that the documented rehabilitation of Cyril Burt has been allowed to percolate up to the surface, to the extent that the segment of the general public with more than a passing interest in these matters has become aware of that rehabilitation in the twenty years since the APA convention you describe? I ask because I have the impression that awareness even within the psychological profession itself is quite limited—whether willfully so or otherwise I could not say.
Ryan Faulk is a scholar who I’ve followed on YouTube for about six years. He has done a number of videos on the question of IQ. Because he looks at the implications of various studies and the heritability of IQ and because he is concerned about the survival of European ethnic people, he has been the object of numerous attacks from the YouTube Jewish internet activists. For a while many of his videos and channels were deleted by YouTube but lately YouTube has left him alone. He is not and never has been hateful to other ethnicities but he supports his own. His main channel is fringeelements.
Here is one of his videos on IQ and heritability:
Race and Intelligence: Make the World Flat (Simplified)
The description of the video contains a link that provides sources for all studies that he cites, as well as other documentation.
If one looks closely at any teacher strikes it is easy to see that the current ideology is under attack. Teachers are demanding that they be judged on the basis of their students ability to learn. As politically correct unions they will blame their students inability to learn on socioeconomic status, which has curious links to race and IQ. The web of lies which we have been operating on is rapidly disintegrating. Reality does win in the end.
During my 25-year teaching career the mantra “poverty
is the problem with low-performing students” was
repeated endlessly by PC multicultural zhombie
educators. It is amazing how easily fooled these diversity-celebrating are. Anyone can see the difference
between breeds of dogs; in biology it is an axiom
that isolated local sub-populations of the same species
often vary from each other. Yet any reference to racial
differences produces an uproar like an ochestra of scorched cats. Americans have been made dumb by endless white-bashing Jew propaganda produced by the most racist group on earth who are told in their
synanogues from birth that they are superior to
all non-Jews!
The jihad against the Confederacy and the Nazis
are used by them as a stand in perfectly reasonable conservative POVs.
As soon as you point out that blacks are a bit halfwitted, you are given a pinkslip. You might only be pointing out that resources should go to higher flying sub sub groups. But no…you killed Django and gassed Solomon.
Genetics is important because certain illnesses are caused by genetics. Eventually, science will prevail over the wishful thinkers. But the wishful thinkers will be responsible for millions of deaths because we were prevented from going the genetic route. Most of the millions of deaths will be brown and black. The wishful thinkers are stupid and want to believe that they live in a make believe world like little children. Their minds are so childlike, but unfortunately, these children have grown up power.
@thm: Thanks very much for this helpful information, all of it entirely new to me.
Does genetics explain regression?
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Re: Pierre de Craon’s question regarding the documented rehabilitation of Cyril Burt’s reputation, just how much of this body of research is getting out to the public and circulating among psychologists is difficult to say. There are no less than 3 books (the Joynson and Fletcher books plus an edited volume of papers by Mackintosh published by Oxford United Press) and articles and reviews that discuss the findings in the these books. Segal’s latest book is a good example of a well-informed scholar on Burt. However, one finds countless examples of sloppy “scholarship” that ignores the more recent studies which make a persuasive case against Burt’s critics. It is an all too common situation in which the allegations stick and the exculpatory evidence seems to get overlooked, buried, or forgotten. Richard Herrnstein helped organized and sponsor a talk by Joynson at Harvard and tried to generate renewed interest in Burt in the early 1990s. One hopes that the full story eventually makes its way to a wider audience.
-CS
@Alice Teller: I wish they would explicitly make that connection between IQ and poverty, rather than just lazily blame socio-economic problems on cultural bias.
I fear that the inherited psychological and behavioral characteristics of certain parties dictates that they will attack the idea that psychological and behavior characteristics are inherited. This is particularly the case with IQ, and the knowledge that it is mainly inherited must NOT be permitted to become widespread or filter into the explicit consciousness of academia (everybody knows this implicitly of course).
The idealists, pure of intent, with their child-like naivete see Science as the search for truth, that should be carried out without bias, impartially, even-handedly. But, the wise understand that Science is a tool, an instrument and weapon used to achieve greater objectives. One of Cyril Burt’s most prolific and vehement accusers and critics was Steven J. Gould, who excoriated Burt in his prominent work, “the Mismeasure of Man” (now a discredited book). Gould was a member of a well-known ethnic group, and perceived along with the bulk of the intelligentsia of his tribe that Burt’s conclusions on intelligence were potentially damaging to their goals. Gould can be seen as an intellectual warrior, engaged in an important front in the battle of ideas, a battle that his ethnic group has been largely victorious in up to the present. While Gould and his colleagues were engaged in battle, understanding the stakes (the security and position of their tribe in an alien nation), Cyril Burt and his colleagues were engaged in Science, doing research and analysis in their lab coats, striving to eliminate bias from their results. Too busy in their work to notice that a battle was being waged, a battle to dominate a nation and a civilization, a battle to ultimately displace Burt and his colleague’s kind and kindred. Intelligent, yes, Burt was, and an excellent scientist. But in the final analysis, Gould had it right, that this is a battle of ideas, a battle whose outcome will determine the fate of races.
Fraser Mustard made the poverty link. His studies showed that early nutritional intervention – before the age of 5 – were important in child developement. There were other factors as well, such as early stimulation to encourage thought processes. He was never a fan of TV.
His studies did not separate out races. His theory was that good nutrition and stimulation were necessary to acheive better outcomes, and that a poor start in these areas were seldom made up once the child was in school.
In that context, it explains the regression to which Tom refers specifically, perhaps the “dumbing down” of a large portion of whites as well.
When questioned, most teachers cannot explain, with any depth, the rationale for teaching the cirriculum or the purpose of course outcomes.
@Alice Teller:
Babysitters cost 5 to 20$ an hour.
Teachers 40k to 120k a year.
When its noted that 50% of a cities ‘kids’ graduate High School, are they counting 9th graders graduating 4 years later, or 12th graders graduating 10 months later?
I have read the ’50% get a diploma’ are a count of 12th graders.
If 9th graders were the measure [finishing in 4 years] it might be 10 or 30%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Tom:
How so?
Its the removal of Euro Mores that explain that latter photo.
Oops, I mean ‘equality’ explains the change.
@Vlad Writes:
I share your wish, but I do not expect to hear much courage from any public sector employee. I am not sure it really matters anymore. Except for the hopelessly naive everyone hears race when someone says socioeconomic. There are just way too many fingers in the dike for it to continue to hold .Everyone pays lip service to our cultural myths and no one believes them.
I think we are living through a long slow collapse. Every major institution in the country is failing on some level. Many of us are simply afraid to say it out loud but truth is hard to escape on a permanent basis. As the system continues to fail fewer and fewer people will have reason to continue the pretense. People who have little to lose can be dangerous. We live in interesting times.
@90404:
Hey 9, although money is always an issue, I think a lot of teachers are really angry at being held responsible for something they really cannot control. Bright kids can be taught on a log with a forty year old book. Mid-range kids may need better teachers to bring out the full potential. The lower third may not be able to learn much even in the best of circumstances. Teachers are now judged by the lowest preforming kids. Enough to make anyone angry.
I think of reading, which is the basis of all further learning, like the ability to communicate with complex rhythms. I am sure that intense instruction and practice might improve my abilities, but there is a limit to my ability to perceive much less reproduce them.
The evidence that biology plays a big role in human affairs is overwhelming. It isn’t 100%. But it plays some role, and this is what the Multiculturalist and Post Modernists have denied.
To Alice Teller:
All a teacher can do is teach. He (or she ) cannot learn for the student. Learning is totally dependent on the student. There is a dichotomy here which is logical and intellectually and physically indestructible. Teaching is imparting knowledge; learning is receiving it. This duality cannot become one. If a student either can’t or won’t learn, the teacher cannot be held responsible for that.
@Alice Teller:
Ironically, Christianity will delay the inevitable as it did in Ancient Rome especially when practised by a delicate soul like your own Alice. That’s the cue for our pagan friends to sound off so apologies in advance.
@Uncle Sam:
I am inclined to agree with you but I do think that teaching can be a great art. Those mid-range students can be enticed and coaxed into their best. One of the saddest and most costly side-effects of the feminist assault on traditional women was their denigration of the vocation of teaching. There was a time when all of the children in a community benefited from instruction by some of the best female minds in the community. Now those women are all too often whisked away to ‘higher callings’ never noticing that they are abandoning the very real power and influence they once had. The results are all around us.
@buckle:
While I thank you for the kind words I still hold out hope that white people can make use of the crisis to regain much of the power and influence we once had.
I appreciate the effort to warn me of the pagan incursions. Sadly, I am an old hand in that battle. The real question before us is are we willing to let them sidetrack us in the nostalgic romps against old enemies or will we find a way to build white loyalty?
Christianity delayed the fall of western Rome?
It certainly kept the Eastern part going. However, the Roman Empire had severe efficiency problems. The military system from Commodus onward was geared toward preventing an usurper from rising up. Being exceptional or efficient or brilliant was a good way to paint a target on your own back as a rival to the Emperor. So there was no incentive to do things better. I’m not sure that religion had much to do with the sclerotic command structure of Empire. Plus Rome had few powerful rivals in the later “pagan” period
(Aurelius). This led to a certain sort of smug rotteness and graft.
Rome is also quite unlike America. It’s quite unlike any recorded European nation
Forget about twin studies.
Neuroscience and genetics will be the counter-currents.
Listen to Charles Murray in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1232lBIxEI
Well, okay twin studies are still good.
But they aren’t solid enough. Environmentalists will always be able to make things up, sabotage results, and explain away.
Showing correlations with physically identifiable genes and behaviors will be hard to argue against though.
If Obama wins – and he may – look for a big push on the front of curbing “hate speech” as well as a heavy hand to crush “hate groups”. I keep seeing more arguments for this approach from the Left.
European style hate speech laws are going to start popping up for sure.
OT Obama naturally sympathizes with the Arabs and blacks if it’s about white diplomats getting killed. He can’t possibly feel The same about this killing as a white man does.
R. J. Herrnstein in a 1981 article about the media and IQ
research juxtaposed the rush to condem Burt with the odd
reticence about the misdeeds of an (ostensible?) environmentalist , Dr. Rick Heber, once of the University of Wisconsin at Madison. Heber, a glitzy manipulator, was on
Mental Retardation (MR) task forces during the JFK years and was a high roller in the breeding of Arabian horses, etc., and an occasional presence on the Madison campus where, nonetheless, he was a full time professor and headed a well
funded MR project to demonstrate the “nurture over nature” basis of MR. In the early 80′s Heber was faced with several
criminal prosecutions for mishandling funds. He ended up in minimum security federal prisons for a very few years. There was never issued any report by him or by his staff members that afforded any substantiation of an earlier vast media
declaration about “the MIracle of Milwaukee”. To the
extent there was a “Miracle” it was after the fashion of Professor P. T. Barnum. What a circus America has become!!
The Jews are our misfortune.
@Elie:
FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH:
The white haired fellow is a jackass and if he’s an example of a lofty IQ’d academic, then those who agree with his comments are in a very sorry state!
Thanks for posting the video, it’s fantastic evidence!
Hmmmm i wonder if “common sense” decreases within people who think they are more intelligent because they posess less melanin?
Amazing!…matter of fact straight faced FILMED AND PUBLISHED!
Spot the obvious.
Noble – the same people who think melanin doesn’t correlate to IQ can’t deny that it certainly correlates to 100 meter dash ability, doesn’t it? Every one of the 100 meter sprinters in the Olympics final were dark skinned, were they not? Was it pure chance?
@Dan:
The homosexual Ambassador was killed by the very same thugs the US backed, when it toppled Gaddafi.
Benghazi was the epicentre of the Jew Rothschild take down of the African attempt to rid itself of the Jew IMF gangster shakedown!
The Arabic speaking homo had to go and the Israeli/US stooges must be right on que to burn US flags etc, whilst real Muslims wonder what’s all the hubbub?
As for “Hate speech laws” in Europe, Jews provide the koolade and whites drink it, sign into law and thus protect their Jew paymasters!
I wonder if honesty and common sense decreases within those people who think their IQ’s are far superior to those people heavily melinated?
@Vlad Writes:
Personally, i think performing enhancing drugs have plagued sport for decades, so to my mind it’s all entertainment.
Genes cannot be dismissed from assessing human beings, but we know environment also plays a big part.
I know it’s just a movie, but “Trading places” does make a good point.
By the way, Jew are disproportionately represented in your top Universities, but i doubt that’s to do with their genes.
Often, it’s not what you think you see that is important, but what you perceive isn’t there.
@Noble Lord I am not melinated at all, yet white people with strings of letters after their name have over the years demonstrated to me and others in my sphere of influence, unconscionable dishonesty, indignity, contempt and outright corruption and sadism.
They get away with it because their cronies occupy the high offices that supposedly keep us secure.
We have talked about IQ before.
in this Nature versus Nurture, there has been not one mention of Trust.
TyronRobertParsons has said good-bye to TOO because….?
@Noble Lord:
Nobel Lord,
Melanin is not the only difference between groups of people.
For instance, some groups of people who have more melanin cannot receive a bone marrow transplant from others with less melanin.
I think someday we will find out that it actually isn’t the melanin itself that’s causing the differences, but SOMETHING MORE FUNDAMENTAL.
Just my common sense.
@Noble Lord:
you said:
“Often, it’s not what you think you see that is important, but what you perceive isn’t there.”
That is like a therapist hearing what is not being said by a client, and circling around that information until the client speaks it, as though it is a major revelation.
A gift often dismissed with disdain by the rats and stats /behavioural psychologists.
@Noble Lord:
“By the way, Jew are disproportionately represented in your top Universities, but i doubt that’s to do with their genes. Often, it’s not what you think you see that is important, but what you perceive isn’t there.”
I don’t think anyone on this website would deny that Jews have genetically endowed high intelligence.
Actually, if you read any of Dr. MacDonald’s books (you can find them below) you would see that he holds the same views towards all groups of people–from an evolutionary psychology perspective.
I assure you, there is no political motive behind it, except to unravel the pseudoscience that has been getting in the way of understanding anything since the social-construct theory of reality came along.
I know, reality is such an evil thing.
When was the last time reality was such an evil thing? Oh yea! When the church ruled Europe.
@Noble Lord:
Genetics plays a big part in intelligence and behavior. This is still controversial ? That’s nutty.
Even within the races you can see that a person is likely to be more intelligent by “looks” Head shape is a strong indicator of intelligence. That is where we get the term for a smart person being a ” high brow” from. People will subconciously judge a person as being smart in a matter of seconds and they are usually pretty accurate. We all judge by looks and looks are an outward manifestation of genetics, as we all know.
@Elie:
I went to Brooklyn College and a local JC.
I don t consider all joos to be High IQ.
Often their degrees are in ‘Social [cough] Science’ or other junk.
@Alice Teller:
Chi town schools are now 7% white.
Does anyone know what % of 9th graders [9th, not 11th]
GRADUATE IN 4 YEARS?
Bottom line is that genes and biology matter – a lot. This has been demonstrated over and over again. People want to push the environmental angle or the culture angle because they think that will somehow erase what nature has established.
@Elie:
BTW , tryllooking at your fellow black people and I bet you will note that you judge them for intelligence based on looks. You would see that the very small headed and very broad nosed very dark black guy was less smart than the longer narrow nosed larger headed mulatto type bro.
Try it yourself.
@anita:
I believe we agree, i my recollection is correct.
You make sense, which will be a crime if we don’t get over cosmetic disrtactions.
^ strike my last post , wrong address, sorry.
@Noble Lord: @<a
BTW , try looking at your fellow black people and I bet you will note that you judge them for intelligence based on looks. You would see that the very small headed and very broad nosed very dark black guy was less smart than the longer narrow nosed larger headed mulatto type bro.
Try it yourself.
@Elie:
I don’t believe Jews are genetically more intelligent at all.
Over time their cheating, deceptions and criminal proceeds have enabled them to educate their tribe, however they only corrupt and any “research” their scholars produce must be gone over with a fine tooth comb., less you believe more Jew lies.
I have ambition to get his culture of critiqe book.
I’m all for revisionists and their freedom to express their findings, we just about have that right.
Alas the Jew knows it’s not in his interest, so i suspect some law based on this Jew made You Tube insult to Islam, will see it rushed in any time soon.
@John hearns:
I have leant not to judge by looks, colour, words and association.
I’m all too aware of blacks of all kinds buying into Jew corruption, it matters not the shade, or type of nose.
The good news is that “Boko Haram” the shady “Islamic” terrorists are now giving dark skinned, broad nosed, Nigerians the notion that perhaps Mossad/CIA are behind these mass murders and aren’t Islamic at all!
Anita puts trust in the frame, i second that, adding love, time, patience, manners, a good conscience, etc all the out of fashion good stuff.
Segal would be Jewish, presumably.
@John hearns:How come I never even thought about “high brow” even as I used it? Shows where my own brow-line is. Thanks.
@Noble Lord: You’ve got to admit that the effort and resources publishers invest in book cover design pretty well bankrupts that old saw.
@Pierre de Craon: I know you’ve made passing mention to the flip-side of the Jewish Brain Project, ie. high incidence of retardation. Is this just observational? I’m trying to imagine whether this fits into the classic Jewish neurological maladies -
http://www.canavanfoundation.org/ninediseases.php
@Noble Lord:
I have leant not to judge by looks, colour, words and association.
So you go for the ugliest women ? And when you shop for produce, do you pick the discolored weird shaped fruits and veggies or do you go for the brightest , best shaped and most fesh ann healthy looking ?
I don’t believe you. You are out of touch with your own conduct.
I gotta good laugh at your answer. Nice PC mind on ya!
Let’s try this again…
@Noble Lord:
I have leant not to judge by looks, colour, words and association.
So you go for the ugliest women ? And when you shop for produce, do you pick the discolored weird shaped fruits and veggies or do you go for the brightest , best shaped and most fesh and healthy looking ?
I don’t believe you. You are out of touch with your own conduct.
I gotta good laugh at your answer. Nice PC mind on ya! Ironically, you’ve been j’ed !
@Trenchant:
Yeah , you can see by the high brow that a guy is probably smart. You can also see by head shape when it’s likely to be a guy that is living in trailer down by the river . haha
Mother nature tells us things through the outward manifestation of genetics , ie. “looks.” That way we can make rational decisions.
We all do it. Even though some people are silly enough to deny it.
Off Topic…I was at the local High Schhol yesterday, jews celebrating in the auditorium…I thought it odd…
then I saw this at WND,
Our view is that public school buildings, which are funded by
taxpayers’ dollars, should not be used as houses of worship,” said Marge
Feinberg, spokeswoman for New York City’s Department of Education.
“Public school space cannot and should not be used for worship services,
especially because school space is not equally available to all
faiths.”
well santa monica allows jewish services.
@John hearns:
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE WERE WE NOT?
NATURE NURTURE EH?
Choosing a mate is a completely different subject, as it is well known that we seldom choose a mate based on intelligence!
Think before you speak.
wow John hearns: you said
‘So you go for the ugliest women’.
That would be just about the meanest, most myopic, decrepit thing a supposedly intelligent person might say in a discussion on Human Nature vs Nurture.
FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH:
From what era of scientific research does one get this idea that intelligence can be gleaned from the length of a forhead, jaw line, eyebrow high brow nonsense?
Give me the era, ie 18th/19th century as well as those who ;popagate this ground breaking research, i’m truly interested in those modern scientists who support it.
I suppose those with comb overs and receding hairlines are of the elite and the blonde is dumb, red head angry, mousy hair mongrels, blacks savages etc
You know some people think we are ALL “useless eaters”?
As i’ve said before, i do not own the past, neither does it bother me IF it can be proven that blacks are intellectually inferior to all other races on planet earth!
I tend to agree with Anita, in that many of those who hold high office and positions of power, influence, academically well trained are not much to shout about, when we consider the real issues that affect the peoples of this planet.
Emperor and no clothes comes to mind.
@Noble Lord:
Choosing a mate is a completely different subject, as it is well known that we seldom choose a mate based on intelligence!
No it is not. We choose a mate for differing reasons by using looks as a guide. Men choose a woman who is young and fit with obviously healthy breasts , etc, to have good healthy babies. Men prefer women with very shapely hips since this means sometimes called ” good breeding hips” These hips can deliver a baby with a large easily .
Women often choose a mate based on intelligence amongst other things . They aren’t flocking to Bud the pop bottle picker who watches monster trucks regularly . They prefer a doctor or lawyer or investment banker , NO?
I did think and I did not speak; I typed. and you?
I’m low brow posting , try again…
@Noble Lord:
Choosing a mate is a completely different subject, as it is well known that we seldom choose a mate based on intelligence!
No it is not. We choose a mate for differing reasons by using looks as a guide. Men choose a woman who is young and fit with obviously healthy breasts , etc, to have good healthy babies. Men prefer women with very shapely hips called ” good breeding hips” These hips can deliver a baby with a large large easily . It is a kind of natural from of eugenics.
Women often choose a mate based on intelligence amongst other things . Women are not flocking to Bud the pop bottle picker who watches monster trucks regularly . They prefer a doctor or lawyer or investment banker , NO?
I did think and I did not speak; I typed. and you?
@anita:
‘So you go for the ugliest women’.
That would be just about the meanest, most myopic, decrepit thing a supposedly intelligent person might say in a discussion on Human Nature vs Nurture.
Ar you joking? I hope so. If not , are you saying that human as well as all living things preference for good looking mates is not natural as in nature vs nurture ?
Am I really arguing here on TOO about the value of genetics ?
Maybe I am on a very looney lefty site and I don’t know it.
I better check.
haha
@Noble Lord:
I suppose those with comb overs and receding hairlines are of the elite and the blonde is dumb, red head angry, mousy hair mongrels, blacks savages etc
Actually, it seems that many blonde women use dumb as a way of playing the mating game , and of course it is PC to make fun of white people and so blonde jokes are ok , but black jokes are evil. BTW , blondes are at least as smart on average.
Red heads really do have a propensity for hot headed short- temperedness. Everyone knows that ! I heard that there is even a web site called ” ginger” where people talk about wild reds. I went out with couple different reds and I can testify to the accuracy of the commonly acknowledged fact that red are often firey … in more ways than one .
Blacks do tend to be more savage . Just look at violent crime rates. Oh wait , that’s not blacks fault. It’s whiteys fault.
@John hearns I do not know what age group you belong to, but I strongly suspect it is you who is out of touch with your reality, and how audacious of you, to suggest such a thing to Noble Lord, based on the words exchanged on this forum.
Reality is, most people do not know themselves, beyond what society tells them they are: therefore, I am my job; my university position; I am my wife’s husband, kids’ father’ blonde, fat, fit, alcoholic. sexaholic, gym junkie, intellectual, whatever.
Humans are much more complex than that, and in today’s world of deception, corruption, chaos and cheap sex/sleaze, the following might show you what decent thinking, feeling developing humans are up against.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/poisoned-ivies-sex-and-god-at-yale
These days I am no longer confused as to the identity of the purveyors of sleaze, preying on the vulnerabilities and insecurities of young people, breaking down all families/societies except their own ‘Elite Family’ , with the sole intention of Controlling the World, no matter who, even in their OWN family, they destroy/vaporize.
con science
to know with
or science playing at God, conning the masses in ways unimaginable to institutionalized religion?
On Veterans Today Gordon Duff , an ‘intelligence’ expert writes, amongst other things, on Truth being humanity’s highest calling. He writes, along with Dr Kevin Barrett, on the costs of this truth telling:
assassination
crucifixion
ho hum has the world become a better place for all the science and technology and education?
edu care: literal translation: to draw out.
So much for the onus on the teacher to stand there, teaching.
The onus on the student to learn.
lol.
how many kids sitting there with all their problems under the sun and moon and stars?
30 kids in a class? having to do as they are told.
the greatest ‘disconnect’ of all, while the education ‘system’ is doing its ‘job’.
So there it is, and here we are.
John hearns: your prejudices (Pre Judging) are showing when you write:
“Red heads really do have a propensity for hot headed short- temperedness. Everyone knows that ! I heard that there is even a web site called ” ginger” where people talk about wild reds. I went out with couple different reds and I can testify to the accuracy of the commonly acknowledged fact that red are often firey … in more ways than one .
Blacks do tend to be more savage . Just look at violent crime rates. Oh wait , that’s not blacks fault. It’s whiteys fault.”
No working intelligence/integrity/ sensitivity/ required. You seem to ‘know’ it all.
Peace be with you.
@anita:
No , It is NL who is out of touch and so are you if you think that looks have nothing to do with procreation and intelligence and behavior. This is so universally self evident that I see no point in any further discussion , since you must be in some other world.
Btw , it is natural for women to be very touchy about looks , some more then other for obvious reasons.
cheers.
OMG , TOO is infected with looney lefty liberals !
Is nothing safe?
haha
@John hearns:
you said:
‘Ar you joking’
have you ever heard of the word ‘narcissist’?
do you know what it means?
Then there is the narcissistic personality disorder-
would you know what that is?
Ever hear of the term ‘charming psychopath?’
No John, I am not joking.
Narcissistic psychopaths are running the global agenda, and I know from personal and professional experience: they like to bury their mistakes.
@John hearns:
you said something about loony lefties, whatever they are….
maybe you could read James Hillman’s The Soul’s Code
some lovely lines in there about looney and lonely and lovely…
I am neither left or right.
just Far Out!
@anita:
Narcissistic psychopaths are running the global agenda, and I know from personal and professional experience: they like to bury their mistakes.
Ok , we can agree there and let’s say we quit while we are ahead, because I am not going to argue about things that are similar to whether the sun rises in the east.
Peace.
@John hearns:
you said:Is nothing safe?
Your prejudices might keep you safe until they cease getting you what you want, and the sun continues to rise in the east.
Peace to you also
@anita:
One more , I did not see this nugget of wisdom and I must correct it…
John hearns: your prejudices (Pre Judging) are showing when you write:
Yes I am ” prejudice” Every normal being is. We must pre-judge in order to make intelligent decisions!
If you walk in to the produce department wanting to buy apples then you prejudge the apples before you buy them . You will pick the reddest shiniest most nicely shaped apples. Why ? ( you might ask ) because you have learned through experience that they are the best apples to eat . Now , It may be that the funny looking apples would have been a better apple , but probably not !! So by using your intelligence you PREJUDGE and you use your intelligence and you pick the really nice looking apples . It would be dumb to do otherwise. This is called intelligent decision making based on rational experience . Get it ??
I am sure you must get it now . good ! thank god.
@John hearn I very much hope you have had the success with human relations which you persistently compare with vegetables and fruit. Somehow I am dubious, but pay no heed to what I think.
@John hearns: Nothing lovelier than the sound of the banjo duel.
@ Trenchant: there is a film that goes with that. Remember its title?
@anita:
Do I really need to explain to you what a very pertinent analogy is?
Don’t answer that .
You are right and I am wrong in your Alice in wonderland world and not going to change that , I’m sure .
Good luck.
@Trenchant:
Yeah , and not my kind of tune. Too many PC wacky notes.
haha
@Noble Lord: For what it’s worth:
http://is.gd/oTaGq2
Or rather: costless but priceless.
@anita: Deliverance (1972). One of my favourites by one of my favourites, John Boorman. Go figure which of his predecessors was the boor, not him, to be sure.
@Trenchant: I never saw that film, although all around me, people were talking about it.
I was too ‘raw’ and immature, myself, at the time.
I knew the ‘music’ of the duelling banjos, inside out, and loved that it.
Intriguing, how your observation of my conversation with John, resonated with you.
Who indeed, is the boor? boer?
I also have learned to love the play on words:
humus: humility: earth…we are all sons and daughters of dust:
frail AND glorious.
@Trenchant: I have just listened to the ‘duelling banjos’ on You Tube
in 1972 I was expecting my first child…blissfully married and rejecting Germaine Greer and her newly released Female Eunuch as ‘disgusting’.
I NEVER bought into the social and scientific engineering….wanting to know only:
which way is UP
in this human ZOO.
@Trenchant: your favorite film by one of your favorites…
2012 – 1972 = 40.
hm…that is a rather Biblical Number.
My first off spring is 40 and just become a completely devoted Dad to an exquisite little girl;
Angelina Jolie, an exquisitely beautiful woman, daughter of Jon Voigt…bears a tatoo: ‘what nurtures me, devours me’.
the eternal story seems to me to be the Beauty and the Boor/Boer/Beast….
and Deliver us Lord, from every evil, in this exquisite Eden Garden that You have provided, for the human family and ALL its flora and fauna.
@Trenchant:
Thanks for the posting, much appreciated.
Excuse my absense, i was busy making brekkie, doing my washing and taking stock of my course time table.
Ah John Hearns.lol
I think you are arrogant, wrong, stident with your view, but glaringly flawed with your analysis.
It’s simple, you say you are prejudiced, as is your right and then you relate that to buying fruit…..oooh kaaaay!
However, when i buy fruit i assess their nature, ie ripe, unripe and my view is to get the best of the bunch. I do not take from a bunch and have the opinion that is unfoundedk, ie biased and believing that the bunch of fruit i did not select were no good, unworthy to be eaten etc.
To be prejudiced is to have an unfavourable opinion of a subject matter, without any other factors presented, other than what is seen, or heard of before accruing any relevant facts.
The old adage “Never judge a book by its cover” comes into play here, but be happy with where you are, it’s you.
Oh perhaps i shouldn’t say that seeking a life partner and seeking a mate are two different activities, therefore IQ comes into play IF one partner is willing to ignore the intelligence factor of a selected mate, or life partner.
What is well known John Hearns is that women have always sought a big strong man, so as she can be relatively comfortaable that he can defend her and her children will have a better chance of survival. I suspect the evolutionists may see that point.
Men have sought women that generally had “child raring” hips, voluptuous assets,for want of a better word and IQ of the female was not an issue, until the modern era.
You see nature seeks to survive and nurture tells us we need to survive, both coexist as they both find a way in which a method gives us that best option….Until the recent era that is.
I note that you play the Jew game of alligning someone to your imaginary and deceptive “left right” paradigm, well i too am neither, so build your obvious strawmen arguments ane bash away to your hearts content.
What is clear though, is you cannot help yourself and predictably resort to the lowest cowardly refuge of name calling, insult, ad hominen attacks and barbed commentary.
Ok already you don’t like black people and you really want to assert your “Chosen people/Master race” ideology, whoopy do fantastic. Thump your chest and shout i am Aryan, er er Nordic valliant elite of all you survey!
Whilst writing this response, i scrolled up to read a few of your posts and you really talk alot of hot air!lol
Perhaps it’s in your nature to be ignorant and nurture has you maintaining and demonstrating it.lol
Thou of great intellect.lmao
@Noble Lord:
In terms of correlation with measured IQ most of it is not nonsense dude. Lot’s of physical measures correlate very strongly with measured IQ which in turn correlates very strongly with the real world concept of intelligence.
For example, the physical measure of nerve conduction velocity correlates so strongly with measured IQ that it can actually be used as a proxy. In other words, tell me your nerve conduction velocity and I’ll tell you your IQ.
The correlation of other physical measures vary but there is extraordinary consistency across a wide range. You mentioned skull size..that has a moderately high correlation…about 0.5 I think.
This is hard empirical science Noble Lord. It isn’t necessarily accepted..there isn’t necessarily a consensus. But you would have to look at the terms of the controversy in order to decide whether it is scientific in nature or something else. I think it’s something else, on the grounds that, for all of the empirical work, that’s thousands of studies, the arrow of evidence consistently points one way. The controversy derives from objections to what that direction is, not the scientific basis. The camps that dispute the evidence simply ignore that evidence, while not producing any of their own, instead relying on – at best – arguments and philosophy, and at worst – the use of debating fallacies. Plus other features such as reciprocally citing and elevating oneanothers arguments and so on. But no science, no answers to the physical evidence, no falsifiable predictions. All of this has been covered by KM and others.
@Noble Lord:
“Men have sought women that generally had “child raring” hips, voluptuous assets,for want of a better word and IQ of the female was not an issue, until the modern era.”
The truth of this would depend heavily on the challenges of the environment.
One idea is that cold climates made resources more scarce while actually requiring more resources for survival…which would have amplified several selective forces.
- peer competition for resources
- improved utilization of resources
- development of new ways to use resources
Which in turn would drive selective pressure for:
- smarter more organized more sophisticatd home management : i.e. females
- development of new concepts of resources out of combinations of existing resources, including treatments, constructions, trades and exchanges and so on.
Which in turn would drive:
Abstract concepts of concepts: higher order concepts to make sense of ‘concept of materials’
Which in turn would drive
Technology, social organization, etc, etc
@John hearns:
It continues to shock me how many people on this very blog disregard the importance of genes. Genes are not 100%. But they are way above zero. This is obvious, try building a human being without DNA. Try building a brain without DNA. Yes environment matters, but identical twin studies show that genes are strong.
And you know, we have actually gone backward in our common knowledge about breeding from, say 150 years ago. People used the term ‘good breeding’ to apply to humans too. It took generations of idiot professors to beat that common sense idea out of people. But now it is being revived. It is odd that some people on a pro-White website don’t get it!
@Jason Speaks:
Yeah shocking , in scientific terms they are mind controlled morons.
haha
It is true about the mind control . It was not for no reason that Hollywood and TV, etc. spent the last 50 years with a non-stop message to the people, and that was ” prejudice = bad” .
I have a theory as to why people want/need to buy in to the PC humanist ” equality” bs. MY theory is that they are selfish. They really can not handle the thought that they themselves are not the best bred so that they hate the reality of breeding being what it is , that being that breeding is very important. These people kind of make a deal with the world where everyone has unlimited potential and everyone is equal so that they themselves do not have to face the reality of anyone being bred better. It’s a happy world where everyone is just wonderful and that includes themselves. It is a selfish resentment of nature. But , in reality, it is that usual marxist class hatred. It is the green eyed monster of jealousy so that , as you know , it is not a happy world at all since nothing comes good based on jealousy and envy and resentment. This is why these people are so rabid in their defense of something so obviously untrue. In fact, deep down , they know it is untrue , but that does not mean they will give up on their comfy deal.
But , lies and and manipulation will be corrected and this equality lie will be corrected , hence this article we are posting about.
Personally , I know that there are people who are bred better than myself and I actually look up to them . I do not want to tear them down. I can think of one family in the town I grew up in where the entire family are braniacs. The kids are super successful and one is actually semi-famous in science. Good for them and the kids should have lots more well bred kids! Breeding is so important for the success of our society . Let’s have more good breeding ! yay .
“Men have sought women that generally had “child raring” hips, voluptuous assets,for want of a better word and IQ of the female was not an issue, until the modern era.”
IQ was always an issue to the female. Although strength and virility in a guy for procreation and protection of the kids is/was important too.
I was reading about “child raring hips” The evidence is that women who have wide hips tend to be better bred and more intelligent and therefore more sought after by men . The wide hips were developed through history as to enable the large head of intelligent babies to pass.
corr.
IQ was always an issue FOR the female.
@Cooper Sterling: Many thanks for your detailed reply, as discouraging (“… eventually …”) as it may be.
Indeed, in some ways the most encouraging thing I’ve learnt is that many of Burt’s colleagues and students had so much admiration and affection for him that they doggedly continue to pursue his and his findings’ rehabilitation. Truth ought to be everyone’s ultimate beau idéal, of course, but that train has a much better chance of getting out of the station when the fuel powering it is affection.
@John hearns:
I think there is something to that. We all want to believe we are the best, or can make ourselves almost anything through some self-improvement training. Genes come in and say, “sorry, you will never be a math genius and you will never be a fast runner”.
One of the few good teachers in college I had told the class, “there is no one on earth who can be anything>/i> he wants”. It hit me right between the eyes. How much time do we all waste trying to be something we can never be?
I don’t mean we shouldn’t give up easy on a dream – not at all! But after we give it a serious try, we need to try other things until we find something we are good at. And sometimes that isn’t as ego-boosting, just being good at a job. We want to be YouTube superstars at 19. And so genes seem like some yucky force that stands in our way. Well, I guess it does in a way. Like gravity. But you ignore it at your own peril. I think we need to revive respect for regular middle class jobs by the way. They are what really build a nation and what bring satisfaction to the lives of real people.
Some people may be against eugenics because they resent the idea of healthier, smarter, more beautiful people in the future. And some resent their genetic betters alive today. But heck, I’ve always known there were guys who could hit harder than me (learned that early). I know there are guys who have better leadership ability than me. Now, am I a bit jealous? Sure, at times. But I don’t’ want to wipe them out. And I know the society I live in will be better if those people are encouraged.
@Jason Speaks:
Sorry, I just meant to italicize the first word only. Not much sleep. Edit function would be nice.
@Noble Lord:
It’s simple, you say you are prejudiced, as is your right and then you relate that to buying fruit…..oooh kaaaay!
However, when i buy fruit i assess their nature, ie ripe, unripe and my view is to get the best of the bunch. I do not take from a bunch and have the opinion that is unfoundedk, ie biased and believing that the bunch of fruit i did not select were no good, unworthy to be eaten etc.
OMG NL , are you trying to be impossible? Surely to gawd you can understand my analogy? You look at the produce and you PREJUDGE the best based on how it looks as to make a purchase. Is that so hard to understand?
Do I need to make another analogy using selecting people for your basketball team from a crowd of perfect strangers , a crowd made up of blacks and whites and men and women and Chinese and tall people and short people etc etc and possibly people born with one leg?
Might you prejudge there in order to make an intelligent pick/decision ?!!
OK , now you finally get it , right?
I hope so because I can’t draw you pictures!
Me too . I have to re-post to make this clearer because NL needs remedial help.
@Noble Lord:
It’s simple, you say you are prejudiced, as is your right and then you relate that to buying fruit…..oooh kaaaay!
However, when i buy fruit i assess their nature, ie ripe, unripe and my view is to get the best of the bunch. I do not take from a bunch and have the opinion that is unfoundedk, ie biased and believing that the bunch of fruit i did not select were no good, unworthy to be eaten etc.
OMG NL , are you trying to be impossible? Surely to gawd you can understand my analogy? You look at the produce and you PREJUDGE the best based on how it looks as to make your purchase. Is that so hard to understand?
Do I need to make another analogy using selecting people for your basketball team from a crowd of perfect strangers , a crowd made up of blacks and whites and men and women and Chinese and tall people and short people etc etc and possibly people born with one leg?
Might you prejudge there in order to make an intelligent pick/decision ?!!
OK , now you finally get it , right?
I hope so because I can’t draw you pictures!
@Trenchant: It’s very largely observational. I’m sure you’ll be stunned (not) to learn that outside highly sequestered medical literature, virtually nothing is published on this matter. Cf. your own link, which hints at far more than it says, of course; “diseases for which there is carrier testing” hardly precludes the existence of diseases for which no such testing exists.
My interest in this matter dates from my time in Vietnam (1967/8), when I worked closely with a doctor (a man six or seven years my senior) who had made a close study of it (the doctor was himself Jewish, natch, but since his action in getting me assigned to his staff saved my life, I mindlessly persist in thinking of him with deep gratitude and affection). He was very concerned about the extent of first-cousin and uncle-niece unions among his fellow Jews and spoke openly to me about the plague (his term) of genetic diseases, not least mental disorders, that afflicted them sua culpa in consequence. Since for many years thereafter, I lived in one heavily Jewish neighborhood after another, it was impossible not to notice the commonplaceness of retardation and imbecility among Orthodox children especially.
@Trenchant: [sigh] I have asked you before to resist the impulse to set up Fact blockades on Great Argument Boulevard. Folks are having such a great time cruising along in their SUV, the one with the special factory-installed Mythopoeic options, and then suddenly there you are—like the end of a beautiful dream. I shall despair of you betimes.
@Jason Speaks:
You got it. There are always going to be people who are better. So what ? Better people are good. We want better people because they are more productive for everyone in our shared society. They might find a cure for something or invent some new energy or technology or solve some big problem, etc.
We don’t want worse people.
I agree about eugenics. Ironically , people who think they are being moral are actually promoting or supporting the opposite. That’s how messed up they are.
Right wing — Left wing — Liberal– Conservative—
Where does all this nonsense come from ?
A great American hero puts it in a nut shell here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HeMGqTwWA6U
@90404:
Usually the graduation rate is based on number of
9th graders who eventually graduate high school.
Administrators “cook” the stats by transferring
non-attending students mandatorily to so-called
continuation schools. Although most of these mandatory
transfers never attend the continuation school, they are
NOT counted as drop-outs and are deleted from
the nominal count of starting ninth graders at the regular
high school. The regular school’s graduation rate amazingly
increases. The LA Times finally caught on to this
scam as few years ago.
@John hearns:
I can define words for you if i feel like it, but perhaps demonstrating how much you do shoot your self in the foot!
Prejudice IS NOT THE SAME as PRE JUDGE!
I guess you….no it’s obvious you didn’t know that!
Never mind, we all make mistakes.
I hope i don’t have to literally explain the difference in the above asumption you’ve made?
@Noble Lord:
Words evolve over time into other words..etymology. Prejudice evolved out of ‘pre judge’. But you are right in that it means pre-judge + some negative inflections or whatever.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=prejudice&allowed_in_frame=0
An offshoot to the suppression of reality about the punching power of genes, is the absence of clear, well illustrated accounts of the amazing improvements (up to a point at which it all tops off ) in livestock by selective breeding. It was not until into the 18th century that fairly widespread use of enclosures made such selective breeding practical on any extensive basis.
Another matter that would make a very interesting video presentation if suitably edited and sorted out into revealing sequences, is just he matter of breeding from one stock of rats, maze bright and maze dull rats. Find a video account online? I can’t.
No need for a chorus of sophistries that it all has uncertain relevance to human existence. We know that to begin with–all the more reason to hang the question marks around it all, rather than just giving it the Ostrich stance.
Blank Slate mythology is at war with reality.
@John hearns: to enable the wide heads of intelligent babies to pass….etc.
John, I don’t know. I sometimes feel that some of these theories are Procrustean, the observations are made to fit a preconceived notion/theory. It all sounds good but it’s not completely convincing. I’ve known some very wide hipped women, that could only be called airheads.
@John hearns:
“It’s a happy world where everyone is wonderfull and that includes themselves”.
Reminds me of a slogan I saw while driving by a Middle School a few miles from where I live. The fancy sign taxpayers must have paid a few ten thousands for said,
“EVERYONE ACHEIVES SUCCESS TOGETHER”
Of course only in a public institution like the U.S. school system of today, would one read such a thing.
@Bobby: I know, achieves is spelled wrong. Proving once again that a graveyard shift is for cat people.
I wouldn’t mind if the immigants could make themselves useful and oppose homosexual marriage. Instead they are leaving it to the Catholic Church as in France, for example, to take the hits.
@Noble Lord:
Prejudice IS NOT THE SAME as PRE JUDGE!
Ok, this is not that difficult. The way you used the term “prejudice” and the way it is used commonly in PC world with regards to race or “looks” is wrong. What you call “prejudice” is not accurate since it is not an irrational judgement. It is rational judgement based on experience.
I was using the term “prejudice” in the way that you had used it an attempt to show you how you are wrong.
@Bobby:
John, I don’t know. I sometimes feel that some of these theories are Procrustean, the observations are made to fit a preconceived notion/theory. It all sounds good but it’s not completely convincing. I’ve known some very wide hipped women, that could only be called airheads.
I think it is pretty convincing that large head size and intelligence are positively related.There are oodles of studies to support this .
With regards to the air head thing , of course there are exceptions that prove the rule. ie. I know women who are taller than men, but , as a rule or on average men are taller.
In another exciting development in the race to discover hot water…
http://thatpaleoguy.com/2010/08/
“. . .Nothing lovelier than the sound of the banjo duel. . .”
How about the sound of one hand clapping? Utterly sublime.
http://blog.oxygencreator.web.id/tag/dha/
” Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh and the University of California, Santa Barbara took a good look at 16,000 women and found the hourglass-figure correlated closely with intelligence. The results of cognitive tests showed women with a lower waist-to-hip ratio outgunning their thicker counterparts.
The women determined those with hourglass figures were more intelligent than their counterparts with round or straight bodies, The Sunday Times of London reported.”
@John hearns:
Not to sound “racist” in this respect, but isn’t it true that black women have narrower hips than white women and that this is also true for black men, which is the reason they can run faster than white men? So it all comes together.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
On average ; White women tend to have a wider hips to narrower waist ratio than do black women. White people have larger heads than blacks.
If someone does not believe that whites tend to have larger heads than blacks then they can look for themselves.
Or , for more proof, they can go out on the street with their tape measures and start measuring black and white head circumferences. haha
90404
So they’re doing Rosh Hashannah at Santa Monica High? From what i’ve seen almost all the kids are hispanic with a few thugs bused in who have been thrown out of university and venice high. I doubt any Jews attend Sanat Monica High.
That place has been a ghetto school since the 1960′s. That is what comes of Whites hiring blacks to do the housework. They settle in the town and in 2 generations their vicious thug spawn have destroyed the school system. Look at places like Pasadena, Evanston Ill and many other towns where the residents hired black maids.
How can nutrition enter into it at least in this country? Black mothers have been on food stamps all their lives. As soon as the pregnancy test comes up positive they get WIC coupons.
As soon as the baby is born it gets on the family food stamps as well as the WIC coupons. At its free nursery school it gets free meals.
At age 5 the WIC coupons end but the free school meals kick in and the food stamps continue. It’s not just lunch anymore, it’s breakfast, lunch and after school snack. During the summer many school districts have a fre breakfast lunch and snack program either at the schools or in the community centers for anyone under 18.
And looking at the over fed overweight early puberty blacks it is obvious to see that nutrition is not the proble. The girls especially are 5’4 and weigh 140 pounds at age 10. That is after fat tissue stimulating the hormones for 18 months or so.
Pierre de Craon
I’ve often wondered how many centuries the Rothschilds will keep their must be high IQ with all the first cousin and blood uncle neice aunt nephew marriages. it’s been nmore than 2 hundred years now and they must have married first cousins back in Frankfurt before 1750.
One thing I do know about Jews. They push out the less successful By the third generation the grandchildren of the pushed out only know vaguely that they had some Jewish ancestors.
@Pierre de Craon:Yes, I’m sure the statistics on retardation and psychiatric admissions would be gathered in Israel, but access? Meantime I’ll run with your observation. Insufficient sample size isn’t an issue with your neighbourhood ☺.
To try to sum it all up…
Very few people would argue with the fact that white and blacks are different by ‘nature’ . ie. We can see the very obvious differences physically.
But what was very controversial was how much of the differing outcomes in black and white school performance or job performance crime rate etc etc was a result of ‘nurture’ regardless of ‘nature’ . So that society spends very much money and effort in the hopes that it is nurture that explains black underperformance. Not to mention the destructive white guilt thing.
This twins study shows that nature trumps nurture.
Which really is something that should not be surprising to those who would like to be objective about “race”.
Now all if this is important and it is very moral too because in order to solve a problem then you have to go by rational fact in doing so. Those people who are “color blind” and who are not going to give their heads a shake are just furthering the huge and costly ‘race problem’.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America’s Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, Germany doesn’t want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named “Bush,” “Dick,” and “Colon.” Need I say more?”
Chris Rock is able to get laughs from this sort of stuff, so someone gets it.
BTW , my solution is white nationalism. Because it is only natural for races to be separate and it is best for ALL races.
@John hearns:
your ‘solution’ is but one ‘opinion’ in a world of 7 billion human individuals. LOL
@Trenchant:
the best rapper is a white guy,
whites are good at anything they put their minds to. and rap sucks
the best golfer is a black guy,
not anymore.
the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese,
Did not know that. Basketball is basically overpaid tall freaks trying get a ball in a whoop. Not a fan but to each their own.
the Swiss hold the America’s Cup,
they are very well financed, i would think
France is accusing the US of arrogance,
France is right , but then who rules America?
Germany doesn’t want to go to war,
Good for them and they didn’t want the other big wars either.
and the three most powerful men in America are named “Bush,” “Dick,” and “Colon.” Need I say more?”
Yeah , scum.
@Trenchant: you said
“Chris Rock is able to get laughs from this sort of stuff, so someone gets it.”
LOTS of people get it. Least of all the superior, egotistical white supremacists.
The enemy lies within.
The more ‘supreme/superior’ the white intellectual, the more resistant to looking within.
Therein lies the seed of whites’ destruction.
@anita:
more than one and growing !
and yeah it is my opinion … that is correct.
@John hearns:
There should be a white counterpart to Chris Rock, but of course that would be “hate” He is black and so he gets a free pass to make whitey jokes.
Not good.
@John hearns:
you said:
“There should be a white counterpart to Chris Rock, but of course that would be “hate” He is black and so he gets a free pass to make whitey jokes. ”
I say:
Reality: it is what it is.
What you think ‘should’ be, and what you think is ‘not good’
is all it is: your opinion, and your judgement, to which you are entitled.
@anita:
Anita , you should be posting on another site because you are really not in tune here. Please try to understand the issues by reading this site and if you don’t agree then I see no purpose for you being here except to be annoying. And Yes that is my opinion.
Hark John hearns, the Authority of all that should reign in the world of white nationalism.
How are things working out, for you and yours?
I am in precisely the ‘right’ place. LOL as in Lots of Love of the old fashioned, agape kind.
Know what that means, in a world view where you look for women with wide hips and great looks, the ‘right’ genes regardless of character and persona…..?
@John hearns: That was my point. Only black comedians can speak the truth (gleaning laughs from an audience that goes well beyond white supremacists, stereotypes being a necessary survival tool in a world of imperfect information).
@John hearns:
The “race problem” is actually a “reality problem”.
@anita:
Know what that means, in a world view where you look for women with wide hips and great looks, the ‘right’ genes regardless of character and persona…..?
See , now who said anything about ” regardless of character and persona” ?
Ironically , this is proof that you are prejudice in your putting words in other peoples mouths to fit your prejudicial judgement of a person who is not a part of your lala land multiculti ‘color blind’ world view.
Character and persona are just as important as great looks and probably more so in regards to “look for a woman”
So do try not to be so truly prejudice.
and like I said … annoying.
@John hearns: Were it not for human diversity, the division of labour, which draws people together (people who may scarcely abide each other’s company) for mutual benefit.
The lady who sews my suit buttonholes is employed for her small, deft hands, and the tailor who gives me the shoulders Nature did not is employed because he can wield the 20lb iron to shape the flannel.
@Trenchant: @Franklin Ryckaert:
I agree with both of you and yeah trenchant I did not mean to infer that you would think otherwise.
@Trenchant: when you wrote:
‘The lady who sews my suit buttonholes is employed for her small, deft hands, and the tailor who gives me the shoulders Nature did not is employed because he can wield the 20lb iron to shape the flannel’
were you acknowledging the fact that all things in this Universe are inter-related/connected?
@Trenchant: “Were it not for human diversity, there’d not be any great…”
“People say there is a RACE problem. People say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY and ONLY into White countries.
People say the only solution to the RACE problem is if ALL and ONLY White countries “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against White people, Anti-Whites agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”
And there we are. Until we expose that to the public, nothing else matters.
@Trenchant:
Yeah , and some are abide-able more than others.
Won’t mention any names.
@John hearns: right! you are allowed to be seriously annoying when you charge Noble Lord with going for ugly women, because of his statement about not going for looks alone. You then muddied the waters, talking about choosing fruit at the markets based on looks…and I and Noble Lord are the annoying ones.
Sieg Heil?
your projection:” like I said … annoying’ might well be how the rest of the human race views John hearns and his cliquey ilk.
Peace be with you.
@anita: Interdependence is a function of human diversity. The brain surgeon concentrates on the scalpels even though he’s more meticulous with the vacuum cleaner that his housemaid. Luckily for the latter, the six-hundred an hour doctor chooses to concentrate on what is more economic, and Guadalupe gets ten bucks an hour that she otherwise wouldn’t have had.
They both are brought together in a way that promotes harmonious interaction between people from two different worlds. Who knows, they might even strike up a friendship.
Hasn’t everyone in the entire galaxy read Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus?
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/21230179/1805388939/name/ladies.pdf
and:
http://www.4shared.com/office/0YcP-C5o/Why_men_dont_listen_and_women_.html
@Trenchant: I am 100 percent in agreement with you on the concept of interdependence being the highest form of relationship skills.
When we can acknowledge, in all truth and honesty, others’ gifts and ‘differences’, without exploitation/predatory behaviours and pretentious, pathetic justifications and rationalizations, we might make progress as a human race: peoples of diverse gifts and vulnerabilities, sharing Planet Earth.
@anita:
I have to say that you are very typical of the modern “progressive” type of person. You pride yourself on your “open mind” but you really are closed minded. You think you have all the answers but you don’t see that your answers have been tried and they are a complete failure. Then you have la-dee-dah pat answers to everything and anything and you don’t know that those answers are not original and that they are tired and warn out and now they are just plain stupid. You spew the tired old slogans and then you think you are profound.
We have heard it all before and it is crap. The difference is we get where you are coming from because you are coming from the millions of “progressives” who have closed minds just like yourself.
There is no arguing with you because your mind is closed. So now you are just a pest.
@Trenchant: have you seen the film Melancholia?
In the end, in the final analysis: all men and all women are WHOLE human beings.
HOLY coming from the word holistic, whole:
INTEGRITY.
What the author of Mars/Venus failed to sell to the public, is that women have male shadows, while men have female shadows.
Jung dealt with this, anima and animus, better than any other.
@John hearns: “There is no arguing with you because your mind is closed. So now you are just a pest.”
You need to think of me like a cockroach, like Kafka, makes you feel better about yourself.
So be it.
No argument from me.
you are allowed to be seriously annoying when you charge Noble Lord with going for ugly women, because of his statement about not going for looks alone. You then muddied the waters, talking about choosing fruit at the markets based on looks…and I and Noble Lord are the annoying ones.
You are so stupid in your closed mindedness that you can’t even follow a simple and very pertinent analogy. Then you say something even more stupid that I accused NL of seeking ugly women. And then it is the usual seig heil stupidity. Then you claim to speak for the entire human race except for my “cliquey ilk”
Congratulations , I think you have set a record for stupid.
I have no further comment for you.
With regard to the Rothschilds’ marital choices, it would seem from this source that some ‘hybrid vigour’ , if that’s quite the term I seek, has been introduced :
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/The_Rothschilds_Leese.htm
@Alice Teller:
I am not sure about this. We need to get out of this Jewish nature versus nurture debate.
And return to our European heritage of Nature AND Nurture.
Nature and Nurture support one another and Whites should nurture their nature, and let their nature nurture.
White folk heroes, White religion, White music, white literature, white winters, white poetry, white life. Once we immerse ourselves in what is truly White and Spiritual, we can be great again.
Anita, in all my years on earth, I have found one consistent behaviour in all men – everything else being equal, a man prefers a pretty woman. If it were the only thing a man cared about, it would be a disaster. Men easily unite around the enjoyment of pretty females, but most of us realize we need an honest, loyal, supportive and loving wife. It gains no evolutionary advantage to raise someone else’s kids, no matter how much eye candy the mother is.
Nature and nurture- two determinisms. Any room for volition?
@John hearns:
Right now it is best for WN to have large families until they get their White Nation.
But white fertility is so low, its on the verge of extinction even if a separate nation was given to us with a personal thank you note from Nordic Gods and Goddesses.
@Sanjay: just as we do not have day without night; sorrow without joy; electric current needs both positive and negative ‘charge’: I have concerns about your concept of the ‘purity’ of whites.
Jung described this as ‘enantiodromia’ and the Taoists have their famous Yin /Yang symbol.
That is how I too, see the human race getting along with each other, respecting and embracing the differences.
off topic….yahoo newsflash
Randy Newman [ 'rednecks'] [jooish, of course]writes
IM DREAMING OF A WHITE PRESIDENT
Gee… 24 of 25 Blacks voted for BHO because he was black..
so wheres the racism?
@Vlad Writes:And conversely, a Mercedes Tristar and platinum Day-date make middle-age cheek capillaries, a paunch and male-pattern balding almost invisible to the untrained female eye.
@anita:
I did not use the word “purity” anywhere. Are you sure you are not sleep deprived?
We all know about day and night, white and black, sugar and sweet, and all races and peoples getting along fine.
Our concern is that one of the races is going extinct and it has nothing to do with Carl Jung and other bizarre statements you are injecting here.
If Blacks or Browns were going extinct the Blood sucking Jew would be getting a million strokes every day, their would be a world wide hysteria, trillions of dollars and an army of UN workers would be working overnight to save Browns or Blacks, but whites are fair game.
You are trying to hijack and re frame the whole issue as Whites getting along with other races. Whereas our issue is that when there will be no more Whites left, who will the Browns, Blacks and Yellows get along with?
I cannot make it any simpler for you than this. If you cannot understand that we are fighting the fight of our lives to preserve ourselves as a unique people, White people, than you will never understand us.
@anita: No, I’ve not seen Melancholia, not being a big Lars Von Trier fan.
I see no conflict in interpersonal difference, and similarly, none in intergroup differences (the latter being a necessary abstraction for survival, in the extreme case).
@mari:
Mari, If you know ‘The Pier and Palisade’ you know the Christmas Display. ACLU [?] went after it.
HOW THE HELL [PUN INTENDED] CAN THERE BE A [SEDER?]
AT SM HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM?
Who do I complain to???
Also there are so many latrino teen-o mothers they have a nursery school on the property.
To further enliven the area, across the street is lo income housing and some African Muslims have moved in.
@Vlad writes:
you wrote
“I have found one consistent behaviour in all men – everything else being equal, a man prefers a pretty woman. If it were the only thing a man cared about, it would be a disaster. Men easily unite around the enjoyment of pretty females, but most of us realize we need an honest, loyal, supportive and loving wife.”
I can testify to the fact that for many years, even as I raised four of our children, I was the ‘trophy wife’.
How many times did we come home from a ‘function’ where he said to me: “you are still the best looking one in the room’?
27 years of marriage. 21 ‘homes’ around the globe, in the service of his ‘illustrious’ career.
Needless to say, we are no longer together.
Our eldest son, 40: Mum, you are the mother of all the world.
We have the best genes from you and Dad.
Second son: You were always more courageous than Dad.
Third son: Mum, no one in this world, knows what Dad is REALLY like.
Daughter: Mummy, you’ve got to learn to be a better bitch!
@mari:
Also I believe now SM City has some policy where people who work here GET TO [TRY] TO GET THEIRS INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
Look at SM College, 85% of the students dont live in SM city,
How could they? There are like 30,000 students in a city with 100,000 residents.
@Sanjay:
You wrote:
“If you cannot understand that we are fighting the fight of our lives to preserve ourselves as a unique people, White people, than you will never understand us.”
Preserving ourselves??? when look at how you and your superior ‘friends’ condescend to your ‘own’, to the point where they must depart….
When you understand just how nasty and vilifying and condescending ‘whites’ are to their OWN, they might stand a chance. Until then, the ancient act of crucifixion rules.
@Trenchant:
Tiger is 1/2 Asian..
dunno if his ‘black side’ is all African or 50%, if it is hes 1/4 African.
REMEMBER JESSE JACKSONS MOSTLY WHITE.
@Trenchant: I did not even know who Lars von Trier was, when I saw this film:
Melancholia.
A brilliant study in human relations and science: the theories we ‘hold dear’ and what happens when ‘reality’ effaces the theories.
Very moving, indeed!!
@TabulaLa Raza: you said:
‘Nature and nurture- two determinisms. Any room for volition?’
Most useful comment so far, in a forum where most are just twittering on theories, and paralyzed.
Thank you.
Sorry TabuLa about previous typo.
I am, at 3 pm in Australia, not sleep deprived, much as the pest controllers would like to spray me out of existence.
Anyway, here is one of the funniest, ever, blogs on white supremacist males and their beautiful women.
http://zverige.com/kingkong/#.UFgpTDp7Vw8
@ Sanjay
I did not use the word “purity” anywhere. Are you sure you are not sleep deprived?
This is what we are dealing with in these loons. They have been programmed to go to default with thoughts of nazi’s and racial purity and supremacist men in white hoods if they come across anything outside of their lala land of multi-cult paradise concepts. Their pea brains are set to react and you had triggered one.
We all know about day and night, white and black, sugar and sweet, and all races and peoples getting along fine.
Our concern is that one of the races is going extinct and it has nothing to do with Carl Jung and other bizarre statements you are injecting here.
This is the sort of nonsense that keeps them in their little boxes. They like to spew all kinds of nonsense of the new age variety all the while never dealing with rationality.
If Blacks or Browns were going extinct the Blood sucking Jew would be getting a million strokes every day, their would be a world wide hysteria, trillions of dollars and an army of UN workers would be working overnight to save Browns or Blacks, but whites are fair game.
You are trying to hijack and re frame the whole issue as Whites getting along with other races. Whereas our issue is that when there will be no more Whites left, who will the Browns, Blacks and Yellows get along with?
I cannot make it any simpler for you than this. If you cannot understand that we are fighting the fight of our lives to preserve ourselves as a unique people, White people, than you will never understand us.
Simple rationality does not work on them. They are like pests who should be ignored and not reasoned with. You expect them to understand? That’s not going to happen.
They are not concerned with understanding, they are only concerned with their own little myopic world of new age concepts and hearing their own blah blah blah meaningless voices. Don’t bother with them. They are hopeless and they are just an annoyance.
This is my opinion in having dealt with so many of this “progressive” loon type of person.
@Sanjay:
Bizarre statements are probably all that you will get. No understanding.
@Sanjay:
@anita:
I did not use the word “purity” anywhere. Are you sure you are not sleep deprived?
This is what we are dealing with in this type of person. They have been programmed to go to default with thoughts of sieg heils and racial purity and supremacist men running around in white hoods if they come across anything outside of their lala land of multi-cult paradise concepts. Their pea brains are set to react and you had triggered one.
We all know about day and night, white and black, sugar and sweet, and all races and peoples getting along fine.
Our concern is that one of the races is going extinct and it has nothing to do with Carl Jung and other bizarre statements you are injecting here.
This is the sort of nonsense that makes them tick. They like to spew all kinds of nonsense of the new age variety all the while never dealing with rationality.
If Blacks or Browns were going extinct the Blood sucking Jew would be getting a million strokes every day, their would be a world wide hysteria, trillions of dollars and an army of UN workers would be working overnight to save Browns or Blacks, but whites are fair game.
You are trying to hijack and re frame the whole issue as Whites getting along with other races. Whereas our issue is that when there will be no more Whites left, who will the Browns, Blacks and Yellows get along with?
I cannot make it any simpler for you than this. If you cannot understand that we are fighting the fight of our lives to preserve ourselves as a unique people, White people, than you will never understand us.
Simple rationality does not work on them. They are like pests who should be ignored and not reasoned with. You expect them to understand? That’s not going to happen.
They are not concerned with understanding, they are only concerned with their own little myopic world of new age concepts and hearing their own blah blah blah meaningless voices. Don’t bother with them. They are hopeless and they are just an annoyance.
This is my opinion in having dealt with so many of this “progressive” loon type of person. The problem is that the system is pumping out similar people in droves.
@John hearns addressing Sanjay, has finished exchanging dialogue with anita.
So now he talks about her, in the triangulating fashion designed to destroy her, behind her back, hopefully with a like minded fellow, while she watches.
Not sure how that is a survival tactic for the white race.
Pity they can’t clone Noel Coward that he could turn this blog into a West End production. Maybe “He said, she said, they said”?
@anita:
@John hearns addressing Sanjay, has finished exchanging dialogue with anita.
So now he talks about her, in the triangulating fashion designed to destroy her, behind her back, hopefully with a like minded fellow, while she watches.
Not sure how that is a survival tactic for the white race.
How can it be ” behind her back” and at the same time ” while she watches” ?
Not to mention that this is a very public forum.
Never mind answering that; it’s that rationality and logic thing again.
I have to admit that you really were annoying , you are good at that , and I got very frustrated with you. But so what , that can happen.
Cheers.
Good morning all,
The human family has been corralled to live inside various designed boxes and some of those residentes are beginning to think outside of their prism and see the world for what it is and that truth is a tough knock to the engineered ego many hold fast to.
This debate demonstrates to me and perhaps others, that some people know they are in a beige box and are only happy wallpapering it, hanging up pictures and flags and placing “Keep out” notices outside.lol
Anita, it sounds like your children love you and thus i commend you for the job you did, in honouring your vows and emparting some of your kindness, patience, wisdom and womanhood into the lives of your children.
Some men buy into the hype and unfortunately it has been devastating to the Western family status.
Those of us who read this posts, can see the rabble rousers, the ad hominen attacks, the labelling, the subtle cries for an authority to oust those who do not “Goose step” in formation and back slap at the latest ignorant barb.
A good woman is priceless and foot soldier, unfortunately is born everyday to become cannon fodder and thus do the job of those who have designed the box they reside in.
I am not well read, neither do i have all the answers, very few in fact, what i do know is this, if we as a so called intelligent peoples fight over cosmetic differences, then we lose big time and that is all of us.
Those who centuries ago bought into 75% of a plan, that felt good, are now realising the importance of thinking it through and knowing the 100% plan. Now comes that 25% of a plan that took 100′s of years to come to fruition and STILL those who bought into a flawed plan do not get it!
Misegination will always occur, but that will never endanger any particular ethnicity of the human family and why? Ethnicities love each other and by and large they live in communities whereby they meet each other.
The Caucasian men of the West have long bailed out of the feminist driven white female and opted to frequent the Orient for younger submissive, or shall we say respectful chaste women to marry and live with.
Many white men and now some black men are buying into a homosexual lifestyle and that is a problem for all. Should anyone wish to look at how African countries are resistent to homosexuality they would know that there is yet another war on the African family of man.
So much so that a veiled threat was made to those recipients of IMF funding, should they stand firm with their anti homosexual laws.
Perhaps i’m waffling a little here, i do have to get busy in real life, as i have some issues to get on with, so i’ll leave it here and get back as soon as i’ve done some work.
@John hearns: Less verbalizing, go tinker with your lawnmower in the garden shed! God made spanners that men retain their composure.
FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH:
This is what we have woken up to this morning in the UK!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204991/Dale-Cregan-Parents-Pc-Nicola-Hughes-23-gunned-street-pay-tribute-daughter.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DStephen%2BWright&videoPlayerURL=http%3A%2F%2Fc.brightcove.com%2Fservices%2Fviewer%2Ffederated_f9%3FisVid%3D1%26isUI%3D1%26publisherID%3D1418450360%26playerID%3D72484359001%26domain%3Dembed%26videoId%3D&hasBCVideo=true&BCVideoID=1847447178001
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE THIS SUSPICIOUS ACT, DESIGNED TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205209/Dale-Cregan-OBE-Vile-Facebook-page-set-tribute-fugitive-arrested-police-women-killed-chief-constable-blasts-hold-folk-hero.html
There you go John Hearns all for you and not a negro in sight, unless, as I suspect there may be a Jewish hand in the acts after the vile act, to garner support for intrusions on our free speech.
HOWEVER, all is not bad, so take a listen to the words here, albeit my taste in music may be a bit young and ethnic for some tastes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cK7M3huUuk&feature=related
My error;
I SAID:
“A good woman is priceless and foot soldier, unfortunately is born everyday to become cannon fodder and thus do the job of those who have designed the box they reside in.”
I MEANT:
A good woman is priceless, but we men are the foot soldiers, yada yada yada.
Thanks Trenchant i shall take your adivce.
Mia Culpa,
Trenchant i thought you were referring to me ooops.
Fun tidbit from Whitaker and Mantra people:
The Preamble to the US Constitution says: “for ourselves and OUR Posterity”.
If Asians founded a country, and then said “We claim this land for ourselves and our Posterity”, they’re not talking about Mexicans, or Africans, or Europeans; they’re talking about Asians.
Quote us where in the US constitution it says “We are a melting pot.”
Creating a brown mixture of this and that in ALL & ONLY White countries is genocide.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White
@Jason Speaks:
Perhaps they meant all those freemason’s who were there ACTUALLY writing the darn thing and not ANYONE else?
Perhaps they crossed their fingers when they said “All men are created equal”, therefore giving all men equal rights under God law, or Lucifer’s law?
Perhaps someone can just turn up in your house, whilst you are taking a bath and declare laws that ignore YOU?
Perhaps if cheap labour and standing on the shoulders of others was not something your forefathers advocated, the situation you so despise would not be here?
Perhaps you are a White Nationalist, only in so far as you can continue to roam around the world, plundering, murdering, playing tribes of people off for your own ends, ie “Supremacy”, but will refuse to look in the mirror and accept the evil face for what YOU are?
Perhaps, you are not a white nationalist, but a Jew who has infiltrated a white nationalist site, for the sole purpose of blind siding the ignorant, thus keeping peace and problems solving at bay?
Perhaps you believe, as the Darwinists/Evolutionists/Galtons of the world believe, ie might is right?
Perhaps you are just sour that the people that dreamt up this world conquest used your forefather’s to displace all, including you and now you are really upset that the Jew holds sway? That only applies if you are the ignoramous you suggest to me you are.
There are at least three to four important articles i would love to post, which would demonstrate TODAY what is going on, but YOU just are not interested!
Suggestion Jason, get a plane ticket, pack up and find the whitest country on the planet, LEARN THE LANGUAGE and be the fool all day long!
You truly sound like some of these teenage mislead black youth, who are vexed that they didn’t spend the time in school to learn anything, perfering to buy into fashion, movies, music, chasing women, smoking weed and now they leave school reality kicks in!
There are some on this site that generously share knowledge, post links, books etc, but you and your bestest fwend are only interested in a “piss up the wall contest”.
Question: Why is it necessary in your eyes to result to the lowest default position? Surely everyone here knows how you feel, so i ask you, what clever system of spreading truth have you devised that will wake up ALL peoples of the problem the world faces today and tomorrow?
By the way, the minute you left Europe and landed on America, YOU made it a multicultural multi religious and athesitic place.
The grand experiment that is America has met its zenith and you harken for a golden era when exactly?
TELL ME WHEN THE GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA WAS JASON, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW?
@Noble Lord:
We didn’t roam around the world plundering anymore than any other group in the last 5000 years. Indeed, the mexicans are plundering us today to the tune of trillions. Africans and Arabs murdered each other for thousands of years before seeing a White man.
Let’s be honest shall we? Brown people om their own live in misery. Unless they are sitting on some oil that we found, discovered a use for, and do the work of extracting – and then we pay them a fortune out of goodwill when we could just take it.
We raised those naked savages from their brown misery.
Your sillyass word games with regaled to the founding are just that. Whites built a fantastic society for themselves on this continent. Asti becomes more brown, it sucks.
@Noble Lord:
The gist of your arguments are, past events justify White genocide.
The great taboo about the importance of genetics to troubling group differences in general mental ability is a
taboo that radiates way out to matters that seem at first glance remote from it. One example is the lack of
full, clear, abundantly visually illustrated histories of the remarkable success of widespread selective breeding of livestock-dairy cattle, beef cattle, hogs, chickens, and so on. It was not until into the 1700′s that the capacities for enclosures made such selective breeding possible to any
practical extent. Another little matter is the remarkable visual records that could be edited and presented, maybe in videotape, of the breeding from common stock of maze bright and maze dull rats. The whole issue has about the sort of veiled presence, at best, that sex may have had in Victorian America.
>>>Quote us where in the US constitution it says “We are a melting pot.”>>>
Why, it’s right here-
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!“
@Sanjay:
I certainly agree that nurture matters. Forced integration combined with no child left behind has resulted in all attention being devoted to the least gifted and motivated child. If there is one thing which is perfectly clear it is that the attempts to make everyone equal has resulted in the dumbing down of America.
It is interesting how little we remember that it all began with the belief that separate could not equal. Apparently simple proximity with white children was going to suffice to raise the level of black achievement . The fact that the reverse has proven to be true is never examined.
America has spent fifty years playing “let’s pretend” and “act as though” – with disastrous results. It has become virtually impossible for serious people to sustain. Something has to give.
@Jason Speaks: This numskull, who streams misspelled words and ill-formed ideas like an open faucet does water, has been admitted to a British university and is evidently permitted to take classes there! The only consistent quality discernible in his maunderings is self-esteem. Perhaps there’s a place for him in the next Obama cabinet.
@Jason Speaks:
Well said. Brown and Yellow People are the greatest mass murderers in human history.
Arabs, Iranians, Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, Turks, Huns, North Africans, even Indians, they are the biggest genocidal mass murderers.
@Noble Lord:
Good Morning from Australia.
I have been both humbled and moved by your sensitive, supportive and thoughtful words. Thank you.
There have been multitudes of thorns amongst amongst the roses in the Garden that is my life.
Now that all my off spring are living their lives elsewhere (my daughter is now a permanent, professional resident of the UK)
I have the time to really think about the psychodynamics of life in other so-called western countries, although I have lived in many communities around the world, and their ‘issues’ of race, which we in Australia are beginning to suffer.
Witness the Sydney riots last weekend, as a tentacle of the reactions to a sleazy hate film made in America.
I was also interested in the comment made by Oxfordshire Girl, (on a previous TOO forum) on the underbelly of real life in New Zealand, and can assure that the same nasty underbelly exists in Oz.
I followed your links, and here add another, to demonstrate just how devastated/destructive is the ‘western family’:
-a four year old boy says: ‘Daddy killed Mummy.’
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/soldier-killed-ex-girlfriend-front-son-182524954.html
I may not be Kay Griggs, but the dynamics she describes are all too familiar to me, as well as the details of this story.
Your reference to men being the foot soldiers/cannon fodder was a timely, and poignant metaphor Noble Lord.
I wish you every success at your university studies and in life.
Like you, I have no easy answers, especially at this precarious time in the history of our world.
and this:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com.au/2012_09_01_archive.html
I have long believed that lies are the cancer of society, and as I have said before, as long as our leaders are lying, we are in serious trouble, no matter skin colour.
Hence, the nasty, petty epithets hurled here, serve only to underscore white self-loathing.
Love is indeed, the highest energy vibration in this Universe.
Peace.
@TabuLa Raza: If you don’t clarify that that stupid poem is on the Staue of Liberty, people might not get the point….
@Jason Speaks: AMEN my brother! We have been getting darker and darker since the 1960′s, and we have been going straight into the toilet.
Thank you world jewry.
@Vlad Writes: you said:
“If you don’t clarify that that stupid poem is on the Staue of Liberty, people might not get the point….”
Please explain ‘the point’ to an ignorant Dutch-Australian.
I do not understand why you say the poem is stupid.
When I approached the Statue of Liberty on a beautiful summer day a few years ago, I surprised myself by being moved to tears. Having known emigration/dispossession/exhaustion myself, I just felt for all those who sought sanctuary/asylum in this beautiful place.
I spent an entire afternoon, climbing stairs and reading the local history, and while waiting for the ferry, bought a marvellous book, The Island at the Centre of the World.
Therein, I learned how the English ripped ‘possession’ from the Dutch, and of course, the Native Indians were eventually decimated.
To this day, I continue to be appalled at the sense of entitlement of some people, who cleverly have organized themselves into an Institution that gives them rights over all others.
Those who survived have had to learn to forgive whites, for their own sanity and survival.
The human race is successful because they can cooperate and form a community. Just how many “smart people” does society require, especially in light of mass production and mass communication? You need a technical class but also a docile, cooperative working class. Problems arise when the ruling class gets greedy or locks others out based on nepotism, or you have a working class with unrealistic expectations.
@Noble Lord:
Dear Noble Lord,
I am writing from Europe, myself being Hungarian, and I know very few Blacks (or, indeed, Jews) personally. The information I get is mostly second- or third-hand, however, from multiple sources. And it does seem to me that as much as we can have scientific evidence for something, evidence does point to both Jews being more and Blacks being less intelligent on average than Whites. This is a group characteristic. Having lower or higher average – as you surely know yourself – does not mean that all individuals belonging to one group score lower or higher than the other group. It is perfectly possible that Blacks on average are less intelligent than Whites, but an individual Black is more intelligent than an individual White, for example you can be more intelligent than me. (Here “intelligent” being defined for simplicity’s sake as scoring higher on a standard IQ test.)
I think that leaders and teachers (or people who aspire to lead and/or teach their peoples) need to study hard both the strengths and the weaknesses of their peoples. It is not necessary that you know every detail – if, for example, Blacks turn out to be on average 20% less intelligent than Whites, than a prospective Black leader needs not know the exact detail – he can believe that the difference is only 10%. But I think it would be highly useful if at least he knows the direction of things. By denying the difference, he is blinding himself to reality. It’s probably useful to believe our respective groups better than they are in reality – if, to stick with the example, the difference is 20%, than maybe it’s useful for a White leader to believe the difference is 25 or even 30%, whereas a Black leader might be better off thinking the difference is as little as 10%. But knowing the that there is a difference is important, because it’s an important part of reality. (Of course, you are entitled to believe there is no such difference in reality. But reality doesn’t depend on what we think of it, it always comes back with a vengeance when we try to push it out of our minds.)
Now I think it’s useful for White leaders to know that Jews on average are more intelligent than Whites. As an individual White, one can be more intelligent than the average Jew, but the majority of Whites will be less intelligent than average Jews. Not to mention most intelligent Jews – only the most intelligent Whites can be a match for those. Because of our sheer numbers, we Whites still have a numerical advantage over Jews in terms of highly intelligent people, but it’s useful to know that proportional to their numbers there are many more highly intelligent Jews than Whites.
@Pierre de Craon:
who streams misspelled words and ill-formed ideas like an open faucet does water, has been admitted to a British university and is evidently permitted to take classes there! The only consistent quality discernible in his maunderings is self-esteem.
I have had plenty of dealing with blacks. Now some of them are nice guys but there is far too large a proportion of blacks that seem to have a very obnoxious attitude. It is a very arrogant macho kind of an attitude mixed with know-it-all- edness and they are completely stubborn along with not being bright. They are the kind of blacks that put their hands in your face both figuratively and literally.
Then we MUST put our white kids in amongst this type of black people and they have to make their way. The white kids have to take on an attitude just to survive. That might not be good for the tougher kids but it is much more to the shyer academic types. It is child abuse if you ask me. It is no wonder that kids are so messed up when they are integrated with these blacks. Blacks probably retain this attitude from eons of history in savage Africa with all what that entails.
The other thing about these blacks is they won’t move for you when you need to get by. What’s up with that? It is weird! You can politely say “excuse me” and then they make that obnoxious sucking sound through their teeth and maybe eventually they might move over if you wait them out long enough.
@anita: The Statue of Liberty, vector of cultural redirection:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7.pdf
I think that we all tend see blacks as just being blacks. As in more or less the same. But I would think that different sub-groups of blacks vary in temperament even more so than do whites.
There is that happy friendly jolly type of black on one end and then there is the hostile aggressive scary type on the other. I am sure that different tribes in Africa would have different prevailing temperaments . Some tribes were warriors and pillagers , and other tribes were more docile food gatherers. It would be interesting to do a thorough study on this , but, that won’t happen because that sort of knowledge is taboo.
@Pierre de Craon:
My typing was quite bad, but I was on a device that is supposed to make my life better. I can’t always hit the keys right!
The only consistent quality discernible in his maunderings is self-esteem.
As you probably know, there is an inverse correlation between reported levels of self-esteem and actual performance. Black students rate themselves the very highest in terms of ability in math, and do the worst. Asian kids rate themselves the lowest and perform best.
Sadly, our society rewards those who can shoot their mouth off.
It’s ironic but if you want to be accurate, then , not only are not all races even remotely ” the same” but even sub groups of blacks are not remotely ” the same”.
90404
you mean that rreligious display about 10 nativity scene dioramas with department store mannequinns? Did the ACLU get it? I haven’t been down there the last few Christmases, but I was always totally shocked to see that it was there in the “People’s Rebublic of Santa Monica.” I loathe Santa Monica for its ultra hard left stance on everything. Alos because there in total defiance of the quota system on goverment employment, especially for blacks. Last time I checked there were only 4 percent blacks living in Santa Monica and it was 80 percen White. But every single goverment employee is black, asian or hispanic. Library makes me sick. Lots of White and black homeless whose families came here 400 years ago there all day. But illegal aliens cleaning the place and working in the little cafe.
I refuse to spend any money at all in Santa Monica. Glad I don’t live there, my property taxes would go to pay for their anti White all minority goverment employees and their hard left %@^&.
You could try writing a letter to the Los Angeles ACLU. I believe it is no longer all jewish. They now have some hispanic front men.
@Jason Speaks:
As you probably know, there is an inverse correlation between reported levels of self-esteem and actual performance. Black students rate themselves the very highest in terms of ability in math, and do the worst. Asian kids rate themselves the lowest and perform best.
Yeah, good point, and what does the system do about all of this? It promotes anti-white black history month , anti-white MLK day, anti-white this and that etc etc in order to build black self esteem.
90404
I spoke too soon. Religious services are ok in public schools. Here is the law. But leaving a pile of bibles on a table for students to take if they wish is of course illegal as a result of an ACLU lawsuit.
I still don’t believe they have enough jews in Santa Monica high to have a religious service. Santa Monica and Malibu are one school district, but Malibu has its own seperate schools including the high school.
Wonder how the city council will respond when the african muslims start robbing and raping the tourists? Can’t wait to hear the feminazis defending the rapists because they are black while attacking the White male cops and DA’s who arrest and prosecute the rapists as “insensitive” to the victim.
Equal Access Act
Religious clubs may hold meetings on public high school grounds in accordance with the Federal Equal Access Act as long as other similar non-curriculum related student groups are allowed to meet during non-instructional time; the club does not interfere with regular educational activities; and the school does not initiate, direct, sponsor, par-ticipate in, or promote during instructional time the religious activities of student clubs. Additionally, while faculty are commonly required to be present during student meetings for insurance purposes, their role should be restrict-ed to a custodial, non-participatory role. These measures are in place to ensure the separation of church and state.
Under Federal Law, “nonschool persons may not direct, conduct, control, or regu-larly attend activities of student groups.” 20 U.S.C. 2071 (c) (5). This statute en-sures that the motivation for these meetings is based on genuine student inter-est, rather than a method of outside manipulation by adults for their own pur-poses.
Anita
The indians were not decimated. There are three times more indians in the United States and Canada than there were in 1600. Even back during the indian wars indians thrived because of European technology. Iron and steel tools, iron cooking pots, better food, floors and doors instead of sleeping on the cold ground and using a leather curtain during the cold winters chimneys and fireplaces,soap, various goods coming in because the Whites bought furs, game meat and other things from the indians more advanced midwifery etc.
But after 350 years of Europeans impacting on the indians, there are 3 times more indians than back in 1650 when the indian wars began.
Mari’s Mother’s old proverb “Don’t listen at what is said, look at what is done.”
90404
The law says that adults may not run religious school activities. So if you decide to write to the ACLU you can claim that adults ran the seder. Surely Jewish American Princesses didn’t cook the food? An adult must have been involved.
There are also various atheists organizations to whom you could write.
I googled religious activitious public schools federal law.
Answer came up clearly, didn’t have to dig around a lot of websites.
Good luck. There was some rosh hashanah activity at the WLC civic center you know a little west of Santa Monica blvd and the 405.
as ever, thank you mari.
I guess, as a peasant child born close to the earth and the sea myself, I have always loved Planet Earth in a simple, if hard, manner which is shared with ‘natives’ of every continent.
Being born white, and therefore ‘properly educated’ (and I really do wonder about this white western concept bandied by ‘proper’ authorities!) I am always on the lookout for cruelty.
It seems to me no race has the monopoly on cruelty, and while the Indians and Australian aborginals continue to multiply and evolve, the ‘highly intelligent’ ‘properly’ educated ones seem to do the most damage with their lies and duplicities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eptPeSmA37U&feature=player_embedded
@John hearns: I think it’s material like Rothbard’s inopportune comment about Hutus and Tutsis that was used by another tribe to defame Ron Paul as a bigot.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard74.html
@Trenchant:
I read your link.
I found it all interesting and this in particular…
The crucial point is that, in both Rwanda and Burundi, Hutus and Tutsis have coexisted for centuries; the Tutsi are about 15 percent of the total population, the Hutu about 85 percent. And yet consistently, over the centuries, the Tutsi have totally dominated, and even enserfed, the Hutu. How are we to explain this consistent pattern of domination by a small minority? Could it be – dare I say it – that along with being taller, slimmer, more graceful and noble-looking, the Tutsi are far more i-n-t-e-l-l-i-g-e-n-t than the Hutu? And yet what else explains this overriding fact? Note: as a libertarian, I neither advocate nor condone the centuries-old pattern of domination by Tutsi over Hutu. I would love to see them coexist peacefully, participating in a division of labor joined together by a free market. But there is not a chance of a whoop in Hell for such a coexistence to take place. Or do you think that the UN or the U.S. or NATO or some other super-coercive force, should march into Rwanda and Burundi with millions of highly armed troops to impose a “free market” on these people, or even, God forbid, social democracy? Again, lotsa luck.
Given the authors politically incorrect writing, would the author be a black supremacist ? or a white supremacist ?
If you state that one black tribe is obviously smarter than another then you have to be some kind of a supremacist.
I wonder what a PC ruling would be.
But since he mentioned that blacks exploit and enslave other blacks then this might lean him towards being ruled a white supremacist. Because you don’t say bad things about blacks. It’s only whites that are bad in PC world.
@John hearns: Rothbard was Jewish and so able to comment on such prickly issues and suffer no more than ridicule or marginalization. Likewise, Michael Levin, author of Why Race Matters is Jewish and still holds his day job, despite his incendiary work. (I believe he’s suffered multiple muggings by blacks in NYC, not that this makes his analysis any less dispassionate).
@Trenchant:
Oh I see, the true supremacists are not liable to be called supremacists. They have got a good racket going, that is for sure.
And what ? Blacks were mugging? They must have been exploited by whitey and so they are just trying work for justice in their own way.
@Pierre de Craon: Ha ha, brilliant.
Thank you Trenchant for the link.
relatively few Aussies, wrapping their heads around the deliberate Plan to take up global control and ownership by the Zionists.
There is no one anywhere, in my sphere….with whom I might conduct this conversation!
If/when I raise it, they are shocked, and do what all people do, in silencing the messenger.
Any way, when I read the poem at the Statue of Liberty, I felt the message of Mercy, which I still believe to be an essential component of ALL human relations.
I do not see the poem as ‘stupid’
altho like most, I am aghast at the extent to which we ‘goyim’ have been ‘taken’ for the ultimate ‘ride’.
Hell hath no fury…
and if I/we did not understand the dynamics of WWars l and ll, we now DO know.
So there is the people power, to stop the madness. NOW.
@mari:
Where do you live now?
SMC makes alot from tickets. Most of the meter folk are black
[far as I can tell] $ 70,000 a year, if you do overtime and stay with it.
Bus ‘Chief’, they brought in a black and, sure enough, he hired 200? new drivers, all black.
Last 2 police chiefs, black.
Do you notice something?
I want to contact ACLU, wondering how the fk the joos got Samo Auditorium for their ‘seder’…?????????????????????????????
Yes I mean the Nativity scene a few blocks north of the pier.
@TabuLa Raza:
Ok, its always the joos?
Melting Pot [term] far as I can tell was created by a jew, for a play or musical around 1900.
Research it.
@John hearns:
I have watched the Oscars but once [year Hobbit won]
What a fkin bore…Josh Groban singing [jewish?]
And Chris Rock [dull].
@mari:
Can you image my shock?
I am out to take a walk, so I follow the people to the Auditorium, [in hopes of fun and music].
I see a huge woman in a cheap white robe…wtf?
High Holy Days…..I saw no teens.
@TabuLa Raza:
How the F did it get on to the Statue?
@90404:
Yeah , it’s like ” oh hollywood stars!” Yeah whatever.
And on a only marginally related and somewhat obscure note…
Whoopi Goldberg is not one bit funny.
@anita:Elected politicians are custodians of public resources, and so “charity” is not within the ambit of their role. Of course, individuals can dispose of their resources in a charitable way, but as the adage goes, that generally starts at home.
@Trenchant: we now know that our politicians are NOT elected by us. They are puppets cannily placed in position so people ‘believe’ they are voting.
Savvy Americans are advising: ‘do not vote.’ Not for the two pretenders, anyway.
In Australia, we get fined if we do not vote. And most are, as I said, clueless, not even wanting to know.
I have just come from the web site Hang the Bankers.
Our Julia Gillard is about to travel to UN-General Assembly blah! NYC, thinking she and it are very important.
Only to Zion and its cronies.!
Can’t anybody call them by their proper names any more, like grown-ups – heredity and environment, instead of these cutesie terms, “nature” and “nurture”? Or is “heredity” now a dirty word?
On a Fox News show called Red Eye that comes on late, one of the regular guests (a liberal one) said it was wrong that Europe had holocaust denial laws that included jail time. It was in the context of the need to protect free speech with all the Muslim uprisings, and he said laws like that make Europe inconsistent in the eyes of critics. Two other guests agreed with him. I have never heard a conservative make that point on TV. I would like to think this is a hopeful sign that people are starting to see the obvious contradictions.
This is one way to make headway on this issue – make the point that these laws, which include jail time, make protecting free speech in principle, impossible.
@Jason Speaks:
Conservatives on TV will never make truly conservative statements because they are so carefully chosen by the Chosen. My current favorite is David Brooks, who appears as the voice of conservatives on PBS. That is the range of acceptable thought on the tube, a Jewish liberal who will attack with energy and vigor versus a Jewish conservative who politely apologizes for all conservatives.
In truth, it will be an interesting test of the infinite malleability of Jewish thought to watch the same crowd ban all criticism of Jews on the grounds that religion, ethnicity and group guilt are forbidden as they attack all Muslims. It may tax even their subtlety.
@anita:
Should Chris Rick be able to get away with murder? Would that just be reality?
I meant Rock not Rick.
@Alice Teller: With its immense success at dumbing down our brothers and sisters, most significantly but by no means exclusively the younger ones, subtlety—however much the Tribe ever actually had of it—has ceased being a necessity. Indeed, it is fast becoming a superfluous, even an otiose asset.
With women having so much spiritual power and influence over the last 40 or so years we can expect that the rule of law to be destroyed. White women want white men to be replaced with darker men, this is what drives all the white male hate. White women think our hierarchy is wrong. When I see studies that show that women are 4 times more likely to lie than men, I take those studies seriously. Blacks are also very dishonest and manipulative.
White men have no idea that their biggest enemy is the daughters that they are raising.
@Alice Teller:
Yes, they keep the range of “respectable discourse” quite narrow. i do send tweets and emails at times to Fox News, asking them to put authentic conservatives on like Pat Buchanan (not perfect but better than Open Borders Bill Kristol or Fred Barnes). I suspect the occasional not from all of us does have an impact.
@Pierre de Craon:
Any brief glance at some comments which appear here will verify your appraisal I am sorry to say. There was a time, not so long ago, when wise and intelligent people celebrated the fact that they had intelligent and articulate men in their midst who would eloquently represent them. Now, alas, we are overrun with those who claim to be on our side while whining and moaning because you have a gift they do not share. It must be clear to all that we should be ruled by those most wounded by the world? Only they have the moral right to offer viscous personal attacks in the name of peace!
@Jason:
Jason, I beg you to take another look at our predicament. I certainly agree that women have been on the wrong side of numerous issues for decades now. We have entirely lost our balance. If one can get past our current foolishness and look back at history, it is clear that women have been the greatest losers. The strengths and virtues which served our families so well have now been unleashed on the public sphere to the sorrow of all. It is time for men to reassert authority, to tell us in plain language that we are spouting nonsense, and remove this burden from us.
As much as I love men, I fear that you have been seduced by free sex and no responsibility. I admit, this is the result of foolish women wishing for the moon but It seems that only men can repair it. Look at any group of forty-something women. How many look happy to you?
@Alice Teller: Here and elsewhere, both on and off this thread, you’ve explicitly written some plain (albeit nowadays provocative) truths about teaching and hinted at several others. I’ve wanted to comment on them heretofore, but with a moment free now, why wait?
That people react differently to teachers and teaching is almost too plain to bother saying. I associate all my own best scholastic work with specific men and women whose character, learning, and instructional ability inspired me. Yet an old and very accomplished friend, a man with separate doctorates in law and philosophy and broad and detailed learning in a dozen other fields, was literally never inspired by a teacher. Having simply a native thirst for knowledge, he needed only to be pointed in the direction to go to find it, and off he went! He literally does not understand why people carry strongly positive or negative recollections of teachers.
I think my friend is a solitary outlier at the right end of this particular bell curve. On the left end of the curve, however, the outliers seem to be as numerous as the stars or as the grains of sand at Jones, Waikiki, or Coogee Beach! Most of them seem to be black, unfortunately for the rest of us, and their native uninterest in acquiring knowledge of virtually any sort won’t yield to the blandishments of even the most inspiring teachers (not that they have ever been a commodity in overabundance), whatever Hollywood and PBS would have us believe to the contrary.
I have no clear idea where the happy medium lies—or even if there is such a thing. Much of what I’ve seen for decades leads me to think, though, that you are right: present-day teachers, taken all in all, are a poor excuse for the genuine article. To the extent that they have worked, through their disgraceful and degenerate unions, to create the penitentiary system misnamed public schooling, they merit all the abuse they now whiningly demand be placed on politicians, evil white Christians, and—in private seminars and closeted conferences at least—rotten, violent, and downright stupid students.
What is more, the fact obvious to essentially everyone in every age and every society before our own Judaically subverted one—that women make infinitely better teachers of the preadolescent young than men do—has been, as you say, indoctrinated out of the consciousness of the last two or three generations of Western girls. And those girls have bought, it seems, everything that the peddlers of vice are selling. And it is surely no coincidence that a frighteningly large number of those who have replaced sensible, inherently child-sympathetic women and not-yet-married girls in the classrooms of especially this country have been male homosexuals. (What, I wonder in closing, does it say that most of the more rabble-rousing and bloodthirsty TOO commenters have little or none of their venom to spare for these degenerates, who are the prime instruments of the personal and societal antiwhite corruption and depravity they [i.e., the commenters in question] claim they want to eliminate through mass murder?)
In fine, thank you for those comments of yours that have provoked me to reflect on these matters.
@John hearns
“Some tribes were warriors and pillagers , and other tribes were more docile food gatherers. It would be interesting to do a thorough study on this , but, that won’t happen because that sort of knowledge is taboo.”
I wouldn’t say that they did a study of it but if you want frank characterizations of different ethnic groups you can see them in old books on history and anthropology. You might be surprised, though. They also revel in the fierce warrior nature of their own people, Germanic and Celtic and other Northern Europeans. Our people were the greatest warriors.
Once during the Japanese occupation of China, a company of Scots took out an entire company of Japanese soldiers with rifles and bayonets. The kilt-wearing Scots were armed only with their Scian Dubhs (little boot knives with short blades)! They killed the entire company in about 1 second! I know about it from a reliable witness who saw the whole thing. Sure, the Scots used deception, but it is still impressive.
RE: Education. The traditional role of women in our society was very important, indeed. The role of women professionally and in politics now seems to be to say to all of the (white) men: Don’t make waves, no matter what…about anything! This is a bad thing because making waves is what makes good things happen and what irons out problems.
As far as school education, that, along with Judenwald entrainment, is the main source of all of the problems that we discuss here. Ironically, putting great store in grades (of job applicants or politicians) also puts great store in the politically correct radical “progressive” indoctrination program. Those ridiculous university programs, ethnic studies, gender studies, eco-studies, and the like are the mainstay of public and private elementary and secondary education. No lesson is without such indoctrination. It has a distinct marxist flavor and stench. I do not exagerate. Please see this interesting new article.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/chicago-teachers-strike-and-the-un-globalization-of-our-public-schools_092012
And this article: http://www.amren.com/features/2012/04/white-teacher-in-an-la-school/
@Jason: you said:
‘Should Chris Rick be able to get away with murder? Would that just be reality?’
I do not know Chris Rick, and vaguely know Chris Rock as a comedian.
I do not believe ANYone should get away with murder. I have just signed a petition for clemency for the life of a black boy, scheduled to be executed on 3 October. He was seriously sexually abused by white men in public authority. People he should have been able to Trust!
The court suppressed information from the jury at the time.
Reality in this case is that white men did despicable, heinous things to this boy, and now the system is authorize to ‘take’ the God-given life of a poor boy.
Gross hypocrisy and injustice, is what that is. Sickening.
Similarly, I am one hundred percent supportive of this man, Kevin Annett, and the suffering/people he represents:
http://itccs.org/2012/09/17/urgent-update-from-the-international-common-law-court-of-justice/
Reality is, that people at the top of ‘respectable’ institutions are easily able to craftily arrange for others to conduct unlawful murder.
@anita: It is simple, Anita. Why would the most broke nation in history, with 100 million people on welfare, want to take on the additional burden of “the teeming refuse of your shores” who are just going to drag us down further? Plus, the poster said it was in the constitution, which it is not – so we are not bound by it, anyway.
We don’t need anymore poor people in this country!
Speaking of nature vs. nurture, the self-defeating talk on white nationalist and supposed dissident websites is getting rather pathetic. It goes something like this: “Blacks are more athletic, physically strong, brave, and masculine than we whites but we are smarter, more sedate, peaceful and great builders of civilizations.” Ted Pike just recently posted an article in which he states that Blacks are more athletic than whites. Huey! This is defeatist and completely incorrect nonsense. The Northern European peoples have great warrior traditions and are great athletes and Caucasians are the physically strongest people in the world. We are smart, too. Blacks are highly specialized. West Aftican blacks are sprinters. One tribe of East African blacks exceed others at distance running. Blacks are very long-limbed (one advantage for a style or strategy of boxing and for running), have a high surface-to-volume ratio that is an adaptation to a hot environment, and leading to hypothermia, frostbite, and worse in black soldiers at war in a cold or temperate climate. Their high density bones, general leaness when fit, and small lungs cause them to sink, they are terrible swimmers. A perusal of olympic records shows where the races are really strong or weak in athletics.
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Ohio & Sawtelle, right outside the south entrance to the VA. VA employees are totally black except for the Drs who are red dot indians. VA detrimental to the neighborhood. Lots of borderline retarded, alcholic, drug addicted psychotic BLACK vets live in VA housing for mentally handicapped vets. They roam all over the neighborhood, begging and annoying people. I can tell they are those Vet housing psychos, not homeless because they are clean, shaved and wear clean clothes and well cut hair.
The military stopped using retarded drug addicted black cannon fodder 40 years ago after Vietnam. Can’t imagine what they did in the military. Probably sat around harassing women and dealing drugs. It is an incredibly convenient neighborhood except for those VA dregs roaming around.
A cop told me they are going to build more housing for those vets. One good thing about all these persian jews. They don’t tolerate the black VA dregs hanging about their minimalls and stores.
About SAMO It was not a seder, that is passover a few days before easter. That was Rosh Hasahna monday and tuesday, 9/17 & 18. Next week is Yom Kippur I think wednesday so they will have it again.
If you saw nothing but adults it was definitely illegal
Here is the law again.
Equal Access Act
Religious clubs may hold meetings on public high school grounds in accordance with the Federal Equal Access Act as long as other similar non-curriculum related student groups are allowed to meet during non-instructional time; the club does not interfere with regular educational activities; and the school does not initiate, direct, sponsor, par-ticipate in, or promote during instructional time the religious activities of student clubs. Additionally, while faculty are commonly required to be present during student meetings for insurance purposes, their role should be restrict-ed to a custodial, non-participatory role. These measures are in place to ensure the separation of church and state.
Under Federal Law, “nonschool persons may not direct, conduct, control, or regu-larly attend activities of student groups.” 20 U.S.C. 2071 (c) (5). This statute en-sures that the motivation for these meetings is based on genuine student inter-est, rather than a method of outside manipulation by adults for their own pur-poses.
When you write the ACLU cite this 20 U.S.C. 2071 (c) (5). Find out what day yom kippur is next week. Go there and take notes if you can. All or mostly adults is illegal.
Also google atheist organizations. They are very anti religious and have started to become not just non believers in god but an activist anti religion organization. i know that one used to be able to go to the ACLU Los Angeles office and talk to a screener. The screeners were all old jewish retirees.
Maybe the atheists will be better, but go to the ACLU as well.
Tyson has not commented in a few days. I knew he would not this week because after all, it is his high holy days and next weeek the day of atonement.
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Yom kippur is september 26. Most of the women rabbis are militant lesbians. Sooooo progressive. Friend went to a wedding last year. Came back just gushing with admiration
about the half chinese lesbian rabbi who officiated. Liberal jews must have some sort of microchip implanted at birth so they get notified of all the liberal causes in advance.
Good luck
@Pierre de Craon: @Connor McNessa:
I come from a tradition which honored teaching as a noble profession. The current system is a truly evil one which does its best to destroy the moral and success of both students and teachers.Sadly, it is aided and abetted by women who, as a group, have essentially abandoned our children to an evil system, run by dictates from Washington, whose last concern is the well-being of your child. We call this liberation and fulfillment.
It was really not so long ago that every mother, who had any pretensions to holding the respect of her community, saw her minimum responsibility as insuring that her children were well bred (in both senses of the term), well fed, and well read. Today we live in a world of rude, obese illiterates, who sincerely believe that sex is for recreation not procreation and no one can quite figure out why. Of all the madness we indulge in as a people this is the most heartbreaking.
@Alice Teller:
You are quite right to mention that the destruction of normal relationships between men and women has hardly been a one-sided affair. As men, most of us are acutely aware of disrespect or contempt coming from feminists. And while most women don’t explicitly endorse the more radical agenda, they seldom publicly disagree, or simply say, “they radical feminists don’t speak for me”. This leaves most men suspicious.
But the culture has made male pursuit of women a pure game, a heartless game. Even as far back as the show Happy Days, girls were things to be talked into “going all the way”. The message was, only a dork or nerd would not be trying get every girl in bed. And the main audience for that show was 6th or 7th grade kids.
Of course, callous pursuit of women, complete with the celebration of techniques to seduce them, has been around forever. But in the 60s, a new attitude of almost smirking over the act of getting a girl pregnant and then running out began. I’m reminded of an Aerosmith song from the 70s with the line, “you can’t catch me cuz the rabbit done died”. That wasn’t a rare theme in rock music.
And with hiphop, it has gone into overdrive. Virtually half the songs are about relating to women purely as strippers – literally. There are virtually no expressions of love by male singers in pop, rock or hiphop (sexual desire, yes, with the occasional psychotic obsession throw in). Country music seems to be a partial exception.
Movies are the same way, with the only displays of mature romantic love between men and women required to follow artificial feminist scripts that emasculate the male. So a guy is stuck with the option of being some feminist male, wearing an apron and being belittled – or – he can deaden his heart and become a “player”. Many are taking the second option, unless they are just retreating to the solitary world of pornography.
@Alice Teller: It is interesting to contemplate that what went wrong may not be so much t-h-i-s policy or t-h-a-t policy but that policy makers , especially liberals, did not have their feet factually grounded. Perhaps whole-hog, unrestrained, plebiscary democracy is a big part of it? A fairly competent bureaucracy at the direction of a half-benevolent monarch would never have made the mess of race and policy as “our”
democracy has–the best form of government money can buy.
@Cooper Sterling: The contrast is amazing in how the media treated the allegations
against Sir Cyril Burt and the solid evidence against Rick Heber. Heber had a meteroric career as an academic at the
University of Wisconsin, Madison. He and his associates touted through the media a so-called “Miracle in Milwaukee” by way of which enviornmental enrichment boosted low IQ into the normal range to amount to a “cure” for most modes of mental retardation. In July 10 1981, Heber was convicted in federal court of 13 counts of fraud in the massive misallocation of grant funds to personal purposes,. No credible report about the alleged “Miracle” was ever issued.
Yet, almost all media regard to the dismissal of Heber from the University and his conviction was limited to the local media surrounding the University. Heber served time in
federal minimal security facilities at Bastrop, Texas, at
Colorado Springs (where he had a ranch for the breeding of fine Arabian horses ), and in Utah. After getting out of
custody, he was managing a tour group doing photo safaris
(of mountain gorillas) when he was killed , along with 10
others in his group, in an airplane crash about Dec. 03, 1987, in Rwanda. Yet the details of his life, his “telling us what we wish to hear” and his exposure are essentially yet obscured.
His conviction ( he also faced court cases in state court ) was
in a nine day jury trial in Case No. 81-CR-20-C in the Western district of Wisconsin, which trial ended July 30, 1981.
For years and years , the “Miracle in Milwaukee” was referred as respectable science in textbooks and journal articles. No
credible report of the Project was ever issued. Heber refused to respond to queries about data , etc,.