Row over the nature of anti-Semitism in Holland

Sunday March 20th was a sunny day and after a long period of cold weather Spring was in the air. Like any other Sunday there were numerous football matches, like the long awaited duel between Ajax FC and ADO Den Haag, the teams from the official capital, Amsterdam, and from the government seat, The Hague. That day fortune was on the side of ADO Den Haag, a mediocre team in the premier league, and they defeated the mighty Ajax FC in a a tension-filled match, 3-2.

Both football players and fans of ADO Den Haag were exhilerated by this victory, and, like any other gathering of hardcore fans, insulting and offensive songs were sung. Prominent ADO Den Haag football player Lex Immers greeted the fans by singing “we will hunt the Jews” and everybody sang along. What followed was a huge outcry in the media and accusations of anti-Semitism, because the singing was taped and circulated on YouTube. The Dutch Royal Football League KNVB suspended Immers for four successive games, but this was not the end of this story. 

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Lex Immers was not singing about hunting Jews because he is a National-Socialist or even an anti-Semite, but because of club rivalry. The Ajax supporters call themselves ‘Jews’ due to the Jewish roots of the football club. The English club Tottenham Hotspur has a similar tradition. Nowadays Jews are a rare feature at Ajax, but the chairmen of Ajax are usually Jewish, like Michael van Praag and Uri Coronel. Although the majority of the supporters of Ajax are native Dutch, they wear the Star of David, sing Jewish songs (Hava Nagila) and even hoist the Israeli flag. This has no political meaning, but it provoked ‘anti-Semitic’ reactions from supporters from rival teams. Because of this, the board of Ajax deplores the identification with Judaism by hardcore fans.

In a time were Jews has increasingly become targets of anti-Semitism in Western Europe due to rising and violent anti-Semitism among Muslim immigrants, the issue has political overtones. The former Jewish mayor of Amsterdam, Job Cohen, had sent home hundreds of supporters of Utrecht FC in 2003, because they chanted ‘anti-Semitic’ choruses when they arrived in Amsterdam for a football game between Ajax and Utrecht FC. By this gesture Cohen seemed tough on anti-Semitism, but Cohen did not refrain from publicly debating with a Lebanese former Hezbollah volunteer Abou Jahjah, leader of the Arab-European League, who seeks to impose the Sharia law and Arab domination of Europe.

The crackdown on native football supporters with no political agenda is in stark contrast of the leniency towards genuine anti-Semitism among Muslim immigrants. Even the Jewish chairman of Ajax fanned the flames of the media campaign against Lex Immers by lamenting about perceived anti-Semitism among supporters: “I have heard business club members of Utrecht FC singing about hunting Jews and I have entered the Rotterdam stadium once through masses of youths bringing the Nazi salute.” This is a classic example of overreacting, because the chairman never enters the stadium by the same entrance as the public and business club members usually come to a football stadium for business, not politics.

If there are any political overtones in this affair, they were created by organized Jewry in Holland. The official representatives of the Jewish state of Israel, the CIDI, demanded harsh measures against both Immers and the coach of ADO Den Haag (because Den Haag was also there but did not interfere). Moreover the Federation of Dutch Jews (FJN) came out with a press release in which they demanded that Immers pay a substantial sum of money for the descendants of the Fogel family, Jewish settlers on the Westbank who were recently killed by a Palestinian, to escape a formal legal charge of anti-Semitism.

After this high water mark of Jewish lamenting about this non-problem, some voices in the media were more sensible. The conservative Elsevier weekly rightly commented that the ‘hunting of Jews’ was not directed to any ethnic or religious community but to the Ajax supporters. The songs of supporters are offensive but not directed to Jews as such. In the daily paper Trouw the historian Dirk Jan Snel opined that genuine anti-Semitism should be combated and football supporters should be corrected for their offensive remarks, but that the conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is undesirable for a sound discussion on Israel’s policy.

These opinions are a welcome relief after this witch hunt, but it’s obvious that Jews have no interest in clear thinking about anything related to anti-Semitism or Israel.

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30 Comments to "Row over the nature of anti-Semitism in Holland"

  1. Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
    March 29, 2011 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    “to escape a formal legal charge of anti-Semitism”

    The Stalinist Dark Ages have descended upon the West, which prides itself on freedom of speech. Gert Wilders is also facing charges for his film “Fitna”.
    In fact, with the exception of the USA, freedom of speech has been abolished in the West due to organized Jewish pressure.
    What you have now is a Jewish dictatorship masquerading as “democracy”.
    The ADL and $PLC are also working hard to do the same here in the US under the guise of fighting “hate speech”, whatever that means.

    Will any Jew ever face criminal charges for ” anti-Goyism”?

  2. Philip's Gravatar Philip
    March 29, 2011 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    “Moreover the Federation of Dutch Jews (FJN) came out with a press release in which they demanded that Immers pay a substantial sum of money for the descendants of the Fogel family, Jewish settlers on the Westbank who were recently killed by a Palestinian, to escape a formal legal charge of anti-Semitism.”

    By the demand that ethnic cleansers in the West Bank get compensation, the FJN gave the game away (no pun intended). These incidents typically expose that the agenda of the major Jewish organizations has more to do with promoting the Zionist occupation of the indigenous Palestinian people’s land than it does with anti-Semitism.

  3. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    March 29, 2011 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    This demand to pay a SUBSTANTIAL SUM OF MONEY to the descendants of the Fogel family IN ISRAEL for an alleged act of ANTI-SEMITISM against a (non-Jewish!) football team IN HOLLANd shows 3 typical traits of these Chutzpah-filled Jews.
    1: They see the whole non-Jewish world as one unit and the Jews as another.
    (extreme ethnocentrism).
    2: Even if there is only the remotest shadow of “anti-Semitism” they feel
    immediately threatened.
    (extreme paranoia)
    3: Everything must be translated in terms of money and a lot of it to boot.
    (extreme greed)
    Extreme ethnocentrism,paranoia and greed,don’t we see this all the time with this Tribe?

    • Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
      March 30, 2011 - 4:31 pm | Permalink

      “Extreme ethnocentrism,paranoia and greed,don’t we see this all the time with this Tribe?”

      If they were anyone other than who they are, they’d be immediately identified as suffering from group psychosis. Their normal behaviour is outright pathological.

  4. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    March 29, 2011 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Really they are justa pathetic bunch the whole of the world is tired of. The sad truth is they can just go on and mind there own yet they dont the meddle and irritate like a fle.
    I have a saying
    “zionist make the flea itch”

  5. icr's Gravatar icr
    March 29, 2011 - 8:38 pm | Permalink

    European football fans are clearly a lot less pussified than white US sports fans. The latter would never think of doing or saying anything that could be in any way be interpreted as racist or anti-Semitic.

  6. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    March 29, 2011 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    “The crackdown on native football supporters with no political agenda is in stark contrast of the leniency towards genuine anti-Semitism among Muslim immigrants.”

    There is even more leniency towards anti-Whitism. In fact, it amounts to complicity. Sometimes, Arab immigrants’ hostility towards the Jews is also blamed on the Whites, especially on white nationalism. I suspect that most Arab immigrants are no more anti-Jewish than they are anti-White.

    Since antisemitism is supposed to be a disease of the non-Jewish mind, I would rather not use the word.

  7. March 29, 2011 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    With the Zionist-imposed “War on Terror” and attendant National Security State eating away at the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, I’m not sure how much longer we will be able to openly discuss Jewish issues in any format or forum. And, as usual, the Jews manage to exempt themselves from the miseries that they impose on the rest of us. This Just In, from the World Jewish Congress publication Dateline World Jewry, April 2011:

    “…big news for Israeli citizens going through airports in the states…U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security has agreed to allow them fast-tracked pre-clearances….special treatment for the Israeli flying public passing through customs and security checks. Calling it a first step toward waiving US visa requirements for Israelis, Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon says….” etc., etc.

    Our Zionist rulers become more arrogant with each passing day.

    • Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
      March 30, 2011 - 4:38 pm | Permalink

      They should be careful. History is filled with strange twists and turns. I’m no fan of Islam, but if that becomes the most effective avenue for fighting the creeping fascism and abrogation of our American civil rights by America’s “guardians,” than the WOT could backfire dramatically.

  8. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    March 29, 2011 - 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Well – this incident reminds me Sandro Magister’s article titled ‘Eurabia Has A Capital: Rotterdam’, which is based on Italian author Giulio Meotti’s report on Muslims in Rotterdam, published in Italian newspaper “il Foglio” on may 14, 2004. Giulio Meotti is regular contributor to America’s largest-circulation daily newspaper Wall Street Journal (the publisher and chairman of the newspaper is Peter Kann, a Zionist Jew). In September he is planning to publish a book of Israel.

    Giulio is paranoid by the fact the Rotterdam, Holland’s second largest city by population in Europe is being taken over by Muslims and Islamic Shari’ah. Why? Because the city has largest mosques in Europe, its Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb happens to be a Morocco-born Muslim, once the “moderate Islamic scholar” Dr. Tariq Ramadan (who was banned to enter the US under pressure from Jewish Lobby a few years ago) is a special adviser for the city, Hijab-wearing women are seen everywhere in the city, some Muslim city councillor is demanding that there should be street signs indicating ‘Ka’aba direction’ in the Muslim-majority neighbourhoods, and worst of all, the majority of Muslims in the city support Palestinian resistance group Hamas. In summary, it tells its readers that they would be better off living under anti-Christ Judaism than Islam.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/rotterdam-scares-islamophobes/

    • Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
      March 30, 2011 - 12:06 am | Permalink

      Rehmat,

      I am trying to be open minded with you, but it is difficult.

      Just like Muslims and Jews do not belong in Rotterdam or anywhere else in Europe, other than as tourists, you do not belong here.
      This is a white nationalist website. We defend our interests and territory from both Arabs/Muslims and Jews.

      The choice for us is not between Jews or Muslims, as you insinuate. That is a false choice.

      Our choice is NEITHER, thank you.

  9. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    March 30, 2011 - 6:12 am | Permalink

    Frank Edwin Stone

    Bigots like you are the reasons why some folks, both White and non-White hate the West. The West sucked to the Jews for centuries for their wealth and they intend to do that in the future even after bigots like you are gone.

    Muslims are now part of the West, whether some idiots like it or not – because more than one-fifth of western Muslims are White converts.

    And thanks Allah, I don’t live in your Jewish-occupied West.

    Shalom.

    • Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
      March 30, 2011 - 7:58 am | Permalink

      Rehmat,what you call “bigotry” is nothing but the normal and universal (and therefore perfectly moral) will of all ethnic groups to defend their territory and their interests.Not wanting to be overwhelmed by foreigners,however they may be defined,is a universal trait of all humans (even all animals). Suppose muslim Saudi Arabia would be flooded by millions and millions of (buddhist) Chinese until they form the majority and control the society,would you call the Saudi Arabs “bigots” for not wanting that?And would you justify them to be HATED by the whole world because of that?The same for all other ethnic groups in the world.You show the typical DOUBLE STANDARDS Whites are subjected to nowadays: all ethnic groups are allowed to promote their ethnic intersts and defend their territories EXCEPT Whites,then it is “racism”. You seem not to understand that the PRIMARY PURPOSE of this website is exactly to END this dubble standard.In a former comment I stated that Muslims,though also opposed to the destructive power of Jews,are not really our allies.Your attitude only confirms that.You “thank Allah” for not living in the West.I thank him for that too and let me tell you, I will thank him even MORE if he can arrange for ALL Muslims not to live in the West anymore.
      Salaam.

    • March 30, 2011 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

      Sorry but it is the ignorance of people like you who refuse to look at the total impact that the “hi-jacked” Jewish peoples life has done to the world and its own Jewish people. I have met many fabulous Jewish people then I meet Zionists both Christian and Jewish and they believe they have rights that the rest of us do not……. They believe their laws are above ours and that the laws we live under are not enough…. The actual Jewish people just sharing and helping everyone else are the one’s that will suffer…. The Racists and Eugenics games are real and funded by many Americans, Zionists and wealthy men around the world but the laws and continued push to control others is a fault of the belief system or of the hi-jackers of that system.

    • Frank Edwin Stone's Gravatar Frank Edwin Stone
      March 30, 2011 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

      You may not live in the Jewish occupied West, but your use of terms such as “bigot” shows that you sucked up a lot of the Jewish invented poison.
      Th real meaning of the term “bigot” , before the Jewish undermining of its meaning, was someone who clings to irrational ideas, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
      In that sense you are the bigot.
      You cling to a fantasy where the ongoing Islamic conquest and colonization of Europe is somehow justified.

      We stand up for the survival of the white race, you stand for Arabic conquest, this time by non-violent means.
      Ironically, your ally in this conquest, the one who opened the doors for your people is the Jew.

    • Chris's Gravatar Chris
      March 31, 2011 - 1:56 am | Permalink

      Truth is, Arabs/Muslims, enjoy Western civilisation. Though they put it down, they know it beats the hell out of their homelands.
      Without the aid of the Jew, they wouldn’t have the chance of being in White homelands. They are totally enabled by Jewish intrests, not by their own merits.

      BTW: I, for one, am glad you are not living in my homeland, Remat. Please stay in your homeland.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      March 31, 2011 - 11:09 am | Permalink

      Anthony Riordan –

      “I have met many fabulous Jewish people then I meet Zionists both Christian and Jewish and they believe they have rights that the rest of us do not……. They believe their laws are above ours and that the laws we live under are not enough…. The actual Jewish people just sharing and helping everyone else are the one’s that will suffer…. ”

      ????

      Who CARES about the poor innocent “fabulous” “Jewish people”????

      What are THEY doing for ME, and my fellow REAL Whites?

      Who ARE you?

  10. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    March 30, 2011 - 6:19 am | Permalink

    The Fogel family was not murdered by a Palestinian but the family’s Asian servant whom Fogel refused to pay 10,000 shekel in backpay. But like the 9/11 – Jewish occupied West is not supposed to know the truth.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/fogel-thou-shalt-not-demand-your-wages/

    • Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
      March 30, 2011 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

      I had heard this also, but it’s the false story of being murdered by Palestinians is too useful for the MSM and the zionists to give up.

  11. remain's Gravatar remain
    March 30, 2011 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I suspect jews and muslims are covert allies against white western Christian people. The enmity between jews and muslims is staged to sucker white goyim.

    Where’s the proof of any muslim criminal violence against jews? Where are the bloody and beaten jewish bodies? There aren’t any or we’d hear about it non-stop on every news channel. Examples of anti-semitism are notoriously weak. Staged incidents like toppled gravestones and swastikas painted on synagogue doors are not evidence of anti-semitism because they’re often done by jews themselves. These self-inflicted anti-semitic hate crimes are actually hate crimes against gentiles, yet we never see them prosecuted for anti-gentile hate crimes.

    I watched a news documentary telling how jews were being “persecuted” by Muslims in Malmo, Sweden. It was instructive because the best they could come up with was name-calling, hostile looks and other alleged incidents that couldn’t be proven. Eg. A religious jew was afraid to walk down the street wearing his jew cap. A jewish teacher said she was afraid to tell people she was jewish. Big effin deal. Valuable news time wasted promoting non-events while brutal crimes against white men, women and children are actively suppressed.

    Jews are not persecuted by muslims. Real persecution is what’s happening to white Swedes who are regularly beaten, robbed, raped, mutilated, and murdered by gangs of muslim immigrants. Rape of blond swedish girls by black Africans is so common many blond women are dying their hair brown to avoid being raped in their own country by gangs of black foreigners.

    I never see reports of jews actually killed, raped or beaten by muslims. The Fogel family wasn’t murdered by muslims, Arabs or Palestinians but everyday on the internet you can read new reports of immigrant violence against whites in Europe and America.

    Many muslims are actually crypto jews. What do we see when we look at 911, the London subway bombing, Lybia, and other false flags and staged facebook revolutions? Muslims and jews working together.

  12. I's Gravatar I
    March 30, 2011 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    The crackdown on native football supporters with no political agenda is in stark contrast of the leniency towards genuine anti-Semitism among Muslim immigrants.

    “Anti-Semitism” among Muslim immigrants is valuable to the Jews – because the Muslim immigrants are not popular in Europe, associating Judeo-critical attitudes with Muslims makes such attitudes less palatable to Whites.

    • Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
      March 30, 2011 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

      And how many Muslim countries the Jews were expelled, O’the wise guy?

      108 times from almost every European nation – and look now, the same White Christian leaders are sucking Jewish shoes…… How interesting, right!!

      http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    • I's Gravatar I
      March 30, 2011 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

      How does your response have anything to do with what I wrote?

  13. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    March 30, 2011 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Franklin Ryckaert – now you have proved that not only you’re a bigot – but also a fool.

    Would you like the millions of White folks living in non-White countries to be expelled to Europe – where haif of its White population is already living under poverty line?

    Can you prove that you’re one those white Swedes who were beaten-up and raped by Muslims? and what is your definition of ‘rape’ – when according to national statistic over 70% of Swedes have sexual relationship before marriage. But then, of course it’s the backward practicing Muslims who believe in virginity. Would you like to tell the readers how girls you or your wife had slept with boys before she and you decided to get married?

    You heard of Jews being killed? – you know why? Because Goyim like you feel honored to die for Jews if the victims are Muslims. The latest example is European war on Libya for oil and Israel.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/thou-shalt-not-delegitimize-israel/

    • Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
      March 31, 2011 - 6:42 am | Permalink

      Rehmat,thank you for calling me a bigot and a fool,for dubious reasons I must say.
      What “millions of White folks living in non-White countries” are you talking about?I don’t know any such “millions”.As for muslim rape of white girls(in Sweden),you show a typical muslim attitude to this shameful fact:they are promiscuous,therefore they “deserve” to be raped by Muslims because they are “whores”anyway.I remember a muslim imam in Norway who said essentially the same.It seems to be a muslim consensus.You seem not to understand some basic morals here.If a person squanders his own money in gambling it does not “justify” you to rob him.The same with sexuality.
      I don’t feel “honored to die for Jews if the victims are Muslims”.I am against all these wars of America in muslim countries and yes they are mostly instigated by criminal jewish politicians and bankers.Jews are in this respect our common enemies.However you didn’t answer the basic thesis of my former comment ,which is that ALL ethnic groups want to promote their interests and defend their territories(against foreign invasions) and that this is a sign of normalcy not “bigotry”.You seem to delight in the fact that Rotterdam has become a kind of ROTTERDAMISTAN-well I don’t.I do not hate Muslims as such,I wish them well-in their own countries.Is this so difficult to understand?

  14. burrhus's Gravatar burrhus
    March 31, 2011 - 8:58 pm | Permalink

    I will stop being anti-semitic when the semites stop being anti-gentilic. Not one day sooner.

  15. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    April 2, 2011 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    Franklin Ryckaert – Your ignorance and racism keep proving my point. The White people and the Jewish disease they brought along with during their colonization of Africa, Asia, South America and Middle East still enjoy better life than the natives in South Africa, India, Chile, Argentina, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc, etc.

    You are worried about one white woman raped by a Muslim – but feel no shame (if you’re non-Jewish white) to see 5000 White Christian women sold into sex-slavery in Jewish-whore-land (Israel) every year (according to Amnesty International).

    So stop whining and go back to your bunker in abraham Foxman’s backyard.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/religious-hatred-in-israel/

  16. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    April 11, 2011 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I would venture that if you asked most any Indian , or Nigerian , South African , etc. if they preferred being governed under colonialism as compared to after the “revolution” then I bet if they were honest they would pick colonialism hands down . In fact , I have asked many and that was exactly the case .
    But , whatever , people should be free to choose to be governed by their own just as they should be free to live amongst their own or to live in a babel of alphabet soup if they so choose .
    Multi-cult is a disaster and it is only a matter of time before this great modern mix em up aberration of history is corrected by all races together .

    • Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
      April 13, 2011 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

      Lol – Israel Shamir and Alan Brownfeld have similar thoughts on Spanish natives and Arabs, who would rather live under Muslim and Ottoman rule than under Christian or pro-West rules.

      Allan C. Brownfeld of the American Council for Judaism wrote in 2006: “For Jews and Muslims, in particular, the review of history should be encouraging. On a recent visit to Andalusia – Cordoba, Seville, and Grenada among other places – I observed the many remaining reminders of the Golden Age of Muslim-Jewish cooperation and amity. They serve to illustrate the lack of historic understanding of those who present the current impasses over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as the latest in long history of strife and conflict. the real story is far different – and far more hopeful. It might provide us with a genuine road map for the future.”

      http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/madrid-tel-aviv-the-anti-muslim-romance-is-back/

  17. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    August 28, 2011 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Why the hell are there Jews in Holland anyway? Enough with all these foreigners coming to White lands and telling us how to behave. We don’t want these people here in the first place. The time to expel the Jews from Europe, the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, all White lands, is long over do. We don’t live in our own countries; we are occupied.

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