In the discussion about the status and the future of Israel most people tend to overlook its social and economic structure because of its political and military prowess. But the greatest threat to the Jewish state does not seem to come from abroad, despite the lobbying against Iran. The Arab Spring is coming to Tel Aviv, but not in the way it was foreseen.
When Zionism was launched in the 19th century by Theodor Herzl it was not very appealing to Jews, not in the least because Palestine was part of the economically backward and politically unstable Ottoman Empire. If European Jews chose to migrate, they preferred North America where industry was rapidly developing and the economy was booming. Zionism was not only unappealing but it was also widely regarded as unrealistic—could rural Palestine economically sustain the livelihood of the millions of urban Jews living in diaspora?
Today the question of economically sustaining Israel is more urgent than ever. Israel has enjoyed generous U.S. economic and military support and German reparations for decades, but the pumping of billions of dollars into the Israeli economy has not been enough to counterbalance Israeli expendures. Israel’s economy is burdened by its defense budget which is close to 25% of GNP and its huge state-apparatus accounting for one third of the workforce. Also its elaborate social welfare is a big burden on the state budget which is plagued by the low level of labor participation among the growing number of Orthodox Jews. These Jews are also exempt from military service.
A look at the official figures of labor participation and education among the young Israelis, reveals some interesting facts. For nearly a decade around 25% at the age of 15-19 and 40% at the age of 20-24 are neither employed nor in education. In this light it is not suprising that it is the youth who are bound for the streets in Tel Aviv nowadays. Tens of thousands of protestors are filling the streets demanding better living standards, more housing, etc. Unlike the Arab Spring that made headlines for weeks, this news is hardly reported.
Sustained insecurity and the lack of economic prospect is driving Israelis out of the Promised Land. Many are applying for a second passport, just in case. Rt.com has already run a story on this topic in June this year, concluding that every year more Israeli’s are leaving for Europe and the United States than the other way around. The ones who are leaving are those with prospect of employment somewhere else, leaving the poor behind. If this trend continues, Israel will end up in a downward spiral which can lead to the implosion of the settler-state: The remaining Jews will increasingly be the relatively low-IQ religious fanatics prone to economic and military parasitism—clearly a recipe for political instability and economic malaise.
This growing emigration from Israel is a trend, but it is too soon to speak about another diaspora, even though one out of five Russian Jews has returned to Russia. This trend will strengthen Jewish determination in the Diaspora to keep the borders open for their Jewish brethren, contrary to the current public opinion of closing the borders to the flood of immigrants coming from the other side of the Mediterrenean.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
Keep the Israeli Jews out. They would pose a very serious threat to the Native Born White American Christian Majority. The SPLC is a hyper-ethnic Jewish hate organization waging a vicous program of race-replacing the Native Born White American Christian Majority. The SPLC is the number one hate goup in America.
Who would’ve thought that a state composed of parasites would fall apart? That’s crazy hahaha. Factor in the rising Arab birthrates and we’ll be in for an amusing show.
On the downside we’ll see more Judaics in White lands now…
For years I’ve been predicting that as life in Israel becomes worse we will see an eventual explosion of Israeli Jews coming to the U. S. If you think this country is screwed up now just wait.
Oh please stay out of Russia…
Doesn’t Israel essentially function as a nuclear armed breeding facility for future Western elites? Of course part of their life cycle is to descend on the West in significant numbers.
@Jim:
Yes Jim, the internal structure of “Jewry”, as evolved over the ages, condemns it to pursue a group strategy that requires a host people for it to parasitize. The traditional hierarchy of non-producing “orthodox” and their “shuls” which place a premium on “study” MUST exist in a situation where resources can be drained from an “alien” host to support themselves, because they don’t produce what they consume.
This means that the model of a networked diaspora of “cells”, each engaging in parasitic behaviors with regard to the “host”, is the ONLY way that the “Jewish Tradition” can survive. If conditions cannot be found for this sort of setup, the structure itself collapses. They MUST find a networked set of niches where the flow of resources into their network is much larger than “basic living requirements”, because of the expenses of maintaining their propaganda structure, a key item that enables them to “pass” in the social and physical structures of their current host(s).
Breaking down the ability of each “cell” to network with others will be key to breaking up their power.
The young of many countries (including Western European ones) want to come to America.
Diaspora Jewry are
I see things differently. Emigration is a threat, yes, but that threat will prompt a rethink in Israel. Led by the more dynamic parties Israeli governments will change their attitude towards European nationalists.
How to understand Yisrael Beiteinu
(“The Likud Connection: Europe’s Right-Wing Populists Find Allies in Israel”)
The success of Marine Le Pen and Flemish nationalists show the benefits of rebranding a nationalist movement and supporting Israel’s right to remain a Jewish state. Diaspora Jewry will be difficult to convince, they’ll point to the old nutzi element in nationalist parties, well there is a simple answer to that – expel the nutzis.
The remaining Jews will increasingly be the relatively low-IQ religious fanatics prone to economic and military parasitism—clearly a recipe for political instability and economic malaise.
And in addition, they have nuclear weapons. Not a good mix.
At my dentist office there was a family of Israeli jews.
The daughter wouldn’t even speak to the dentist (non-white) when the dentist asked how she was doing.
It was obvious that it was chauvinism.
The prospect of Israelis coming in droves to Western countries when their parasitic state finally collapses,will make even the most pro-Palestinian Westerner an ardent zionist: “Oh please Jews stay in your promised land,you really belong there!”
This is why it is counterproductive to be anti-Israel. The need for a Jewish homeland is a product of the ingrown tribalism of the Jews. It’s not good or bad, it’s reality. The more Jews who permanently move to Israel, the fewer there will be in the diaspora, and the fewer ADLs and SPLCs there will be. If Madagascar had been successfully colonized by the Nazis for the sake of a Jewish homeland (as was the plan), then who knows how history would have turned out.
@ Admin: Typos – “reparations”, “promised”.
Thanks. Here’s another article on protests by Jews in the West Bank.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/216690
Parasites can not live without a host.
Jews must leave Israel to find hosts.
However, in the end parasites kill
the hosts.
I guess the experiment is over for the zionist and it has failed. I just pray we don’t allow Israelis into our country. They have caused us enough trouble already.
@Someday:
I don’t think LePenn’s or Wilders’s outreach has them feeling any love comming back. Perhaps a usefull moderation of the Vitriol against them. Any hiatus on Jewish-supremacist hate on Whites will be temporary and tactical. Long term even if ‘we’ share common homelands and common interests this is almost certainly a Scorpion and the Frog scenario.
@Astronautical: Or, if US/Britain stayed out of WWII and allowed Germany to defeat the Soviets, all European Jewry would have been safely resettled in a new homeland beyond the Urals (Plan B if you will).
@Gdj: there may be an exception in Israel’s case, they may be going down with the host ship. I was thrilled to read that Israel’s govt debt rating may suffering in conjunction with ours since they are so tied to the US through debt guarantees and the like. As we further sink and shed the expensive relationship with Israel they must then alone face their neighbors who’ve they taunted for decades. But as you may know like a parasite, they are looking for a new host. That host is China. Israel has been lubricating that relationship by peddling US military secrets/equipment. Such scum.
@Diablo:
How are they going to get that Chinese look so they can pass themselves off as Chinese. Jews need to look like the people they rip off. Looking white will not do much for them in China.
@Heather Blue:
They’ll get in, loan huge sums of money to the Chinese elite, learn the language (for which they have facility for), say charming things then also say demoralising things in nice way that shames the Chinese for all their evils (not treating the Urgurs well, not helping Afrcans after exporpriating their minerals), pry open tensions in Chinese society (plenty there). Besides China could absorb 5 million Jews into its 1 billion population. Its happening now already: big financial deals have already progressed and the Jewish elite are already marrying the Chinese elite (eg Amy Chan, Wendy Murdoch). In White bereft universities Jews and Asians are dominant. I would give it 50 years. It’s an incredible organism.
Agree with bear. I saw a Chinese Communist official with curly hair and I said “How does he have curly hair?” The Amy Chua types are paving the way.
@Bear: It is very difficult to ghet into China, because the current elite is bound to the country (and not international) and the selection of the elite is not sensitive to money or foreign influence. Chinese will be very careful with whom they let into their country and even more with whom they are allied. At the moment they are not allied to Israel or Jewish interests whatsoever, but rather to the Arabs/Iranians. China will not choose a petty people to be allied with but countries who can provide them resources. The Chinese are also very racially aware and it will be difficult to marry them, especially the elite.
@Bear:
Remember there is already a small historical Jewish community in China,the socalled “Kaifeng Jews” who look 100% Chinese.Give them a few generations of intermixture and they can “pass”.Then the whole cyclus will start again,now in China.Poor Chinese!
I agree 100%. The biggest problem facing Zionist leaders, bigger than Hezbollah or Hamas or the Iranian atomic bomb, is the threat of dissolution of Zionism through emigration. Israel is unique among nations in that it must pay it’s citizens to live in the homeland. Can you imagine France having to recruit the French to live in France? It’s unimaginable.
Many of Israel’s recent military and diplomatic moves make no sense until they are viewed in light of the fact that (1) Israel fears self-deportation of it’s Jewish population, (2) they dare not speak of this, and (3) the people who are considering leaving generally do not speak of it either.
The construction of the fence, the obsession with security, the subsidies for housing – all speak of a country with a very weak hold on it’s constituents. The Jews have been Jews for four thousand years but they have been Israelis only since 1948. Most, in fact, have only been Israelis since 1967 or 1973, when military victories made life in Israel seem safe and easy. If it is not so easy – if there is any risk *at all* of dying in a war or terrorist attack, or if the job prospects are poor, or the housing sucks – a lot of Jews have passports and access to kinship networks overseas, and will vote with their feet.
Those big Israeli demonstrations were really about the high cost of housing, surely that is a sign that no one actually selling up and leaving.
The real immigration into the US will not be Jews, Obama will let hundreds of thousands of Palestinians into the US to sweeten the deal if Israeli doves get their way and Israel offers the Palestinians a compromise.
The ADLs and SPLCs will find it very very difficult to stigmatize nationalists with friends on the Israeli right like successful W.Euro nationalists
it is astounding how the israeli protests have been overlooked in the media… this can only be done by orchestration…
I agree israel will collapse in our lifetime and its not going to be pretty.
what will be interesting is how they will frame it blame it on Christian zionsits or something.
@Dirk:
‘Chinese will be very careful with whom they let into their country and even more with whom they are allied. At the moment they are not allied to Israel or Jewish interests whatsoever, but rather to the Arabs/Iranians. “
Don’t forget that China is also allied (via the Shanghai Cooperative Organization) with Mother Russia! Russia is selling weapons to the China-men for much needed hard cash.
The Russians have had their bad experiences with Jews (TOOs Prof. Macdonald has even translated some of ‘Two Hundred Years Together!) and will assuredly advise the Chinese Elite to be wary of the Jews.
Czar Putin in particular doesn’t seem to care much for the Jews! He has offered to arm the Palestinians and ordered an invasion of Georgia when that Country was under control of two Jews (Vladimer Gurgenidze and Davit Kezerashvili): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war
Please reference this article in order to fully understand my comments:
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb06032011.html
Weekend Edition
June 3 / 5, 2011
“Perhaps as many as half of the Jews living in Israel will consider leaving Palestine in the next few years if political and social trends continue.”
Israelis Rush for Second Passports
By FRANKLIN LAMB”
I don’t know how many readers of The Occidental Observer have seen the article cited above by Franklin Lamb, but I sure as heck saw it – and it’s contents were profoundly disturbing. Or, perhaps a better word would be profoundly ‘frightening’?
At any rate, the discussion of this topic in the mainstream media seems to follow a recognizable pattern: (a) Most of the major talking heads who are on the jewish payroll are not in support of a two-state solution, simply because their paychecks would cease if they did. (b) These same talking heads seem to be supportive of the general concept of ‘nationalism’, which by default, must always include an ethnic component – but are careful to never insinuate that any race except jews deserve to enjoy it. (c) Many white nationalists support the idea that Palestinians, by the weight of their sheer numbers, should have the right to assume the position of rulers over the entire area of stolen real estate that today constitutes the bastard state of Israel. This would place the jews into the position of being a minority inside Israel, and ruled over by Palestians and Arabs – who harbor very real, and entirely legitimate, grievances against them due to the mistreatment they have received at the hands of the jews since 1947.
However, I almost never hear any possible solutions discussed that would involve the relocation/evacuation of jews out of Israel to another location, should the Palestinians ever manage to seize control over the entire piece of territory – since it is well known that jews are an extremely ethno-centric, ethno-nationalistic tribe and they all suffer from some sort of genetically driven, control-freak mentality that makes them obsessed with the idea of putting their boot on the back of the necks of any non-jewish population that allows them to live among them. Wherever the jews go or wind up, this pattern has continued to repeat itself for over 2,000 years and this will never change – not until the rest of the gentile world finally gets fed up and decides to pursue a permanent solution to this jewish problem, which I will elaborate upon later.
At this juncture, I think it would be an excellent time to state that I do not split hairs between ‘Zionists’ and ‘jews’ or secular jews and Talmudic judaism indoctrinated jews; they are all saturated with the same narcissistic, self-worship, pathological conceit and racial supremacist attitudes and I believe that jews, as a people or race or whatever they call themselves this week – pose the most serious threat to the survival of the rest of mankind than any other threat one could name. This obsession they all have about having to ‘get on top’ of everyone else – their control freak mentality, that alone is reason enough for them to be shunned, despised and loathed by all freedom-loving people on Earth.
However, I am a staunch advocate of ethnic nationalism for all people on this Earth, and that includes jews. Which brings me to my concerns about some of the discourse on this topic – if jews were to be expelled out of their stolen sandbox and if the Palestinans and Arabs were to assume full control over the entire area that is now Israel – and, we all know that jews will never agree to submit to being ruled by Palestinians and Arabs – what then would become of these jews?
This takes me to the article by Franklin Lamb that I posted a link to at the top of my comment. Lamb’s article reveals that Netanyahu has ‘obtained assurances’ from the sleazy slabs of rat dung who call themselves our Congressman – that, if Its-a-Lie ever collapses, then millions of the most virulently evil and Satanically demonic jews in the whole world – will be able to flood into America as ‘refugees’. He further states that our sleazy slabs of rat dung in Congress have also stated that they will agree to rob the US taxpayers for millions and millions of dollars to pay for ‘relocation expenses’, ‘housing’, and other forms of ‘assistance’ which these invading hordes of jewish parasites will be eligible for – in order to make their ‘transitions as comfortable and less stressful as possible’.
Now, I need not go into any great detail about how the 6 million or so jews that America is already infected with have just about managed to completely destroy White, Western Christian civilization – or that those 6 million two-legged cancer tumors are now in the process (since their false flag op on 9-11) of resurrecting their beloved USSR Police State right here in North America – to point out the catastrophically destructive and FATAL consequences of allowing the 5 or 6 million jews who inhabit Israel to flood into America. Can anyone imagine what sort of evil that 12 million of these demonic rats would be capable of doing to the USA if they were all concentrated on our continent? Tip: History shows that it only took about 200 of these hyper-aggressive jews to overthrow the Czar of Russia and impose brutal, totalitarian, murderous Bolshevik Communism on the nation of Russia and half of Europe and before the Russian people finally got these vicious monster’s claws pried loose from their throats, they had managed to slaughter in excess of 65 million people. Importing 6 million more of these toxic racial supremacists would literally guarantee a repeat of what they did to the former USSR.
So, here is my concern: For those Wn’s who do not support a two state solution, which would at least keep the jews out of America and other European nations and planted instead in Israel, stolen real estate though it may well be. News Flash: I have zero desire to see millions of jew refugees showing up at America’s door and being shoved onto the backs of the American tax payers, and who, once here, will immediately join forces with the virulently anti-white, nation and culture wrecking jews who are already here and then start taking over every position of power and influence in the USA that isn’t already occupied by a jew. This spells USSR the Sequel, friends. This spells mass slaughters of White Christians and especially white nationalists, of which I am one. It spells all 100 US Senators being jewish. It spells all 435 or so US Congressman being jewish. It spells all 9 US Supreme Court justices being jewish. It spells all 50 state governors being jewish. What do you think would happen to the murderous Israeli IDF and MOSSAD? They’d be folded into the Homeland Security Department and they’d have a license to kill and torture White Nationalists and white race realists, like they do now to the Palestinians. Have I made my point, friends?
Which brings me to my promised permanent solution to the jewish problem. Remember the Madagascar idea that was floated during the discussions by the Germans and the Zionists before WW2? That is where the jews in both Israel and the rest of the world need to be relocated – out of all White European nations. No more control over our banking and financial sectors. No more control over our media or our governments. No more control or influence over our academic institutions – which they use to brainwash and indoctrinate young white children with white guilt and white self-loathing with their endless, woe-is-us, holocaust tales. Madagascar is the solution.
Accompanied by a Naval Blockade and occasional (non-kosher) food and medical supply drops by parachutes attached to pallets, but absolutely no one gets to leave that island for any reason. That is a pretty humane and good deal for a race of murderous nation wreckers, if you ask me.
Let them go back to Russia, Eastern Europe or the Turkic countries from which they slid out from centuries ago. America is already bad off. More Jews will only make things worse.
“That is a pretty humane and good deal for a race of murderous nation wreckers, if you ask me.”
Yeah. When I was a kid and heard tell about the “Holocaust” and Jews’ description about how terrible it was for them with the Germans, I thought, ok, they want their own country. That makes sense.
Then in the next thought, I wondered, so why the HELL would they move in with their sworn enemies of Arabs?
Made no sense.
Until I learned that the Jews as a group strategy act as social parasites.
Okay. That makes sense. They don’t WANT to be on their own, away from any people they can accuse of things and get concessions from.
Exile to Madagascar where they would have to shift for themselves would be hell-on-earth for ‘em, yet entirely compassionate from the European point of view.
Diablo wrote: “But as you may know like a parasite, they are looking for a new host. That host is China. Israel has been lubricating that relationship by peddling US military secrets/equipment. Such scum.”
As opposed to the Jews who can only claim it, the Chinese really have existed for thousands of years and have the archaeological record to prove it. Plus, they’re not overwhelmed by the baggage of the “holocaust” or “anti-semitism.” In short, they will out-jew the Jews and then eat them for dinner.
Riley DeWiley wrote: “The Jews have been Jews for four thousand years but they have been Israelis only since 1948.”
No, they say they’ve been around for that long. Yet, there is nothing in the archaeological record to corroborate that silly claim.
@Luke:
["...Jews should be banned to Madagascar..."]
Madagascar is far too big for them.There are only 14 million Jews in the world.Give them a small island far from the inhabitated world.My proposal is
TIERRA del FUEGO at the Southernmost tip of South America.Build a high wall at the coast around the island and don’t allow them to travel to or communicate with the outer world.Let them grow their own food,give them sufficient housing and medical care but no luxury.Thus isolated from the rest of humanity – to which they refuse to belong – let them contemplate their sins for all eternity.Problem solved.
Both political and military powers of the Zionist entity is a big ZERO with American help. Hizbullah’s 1500 fighters proved that in Summer 2006.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/lebanese-celebrate-july-2006-victory-over-israel/
@Dirk:
The Chinese and Indians are both very receptive towards Jews and Israel. When the time comes both nations will open their doors to them without question, and both nations will pay the price.
There are currently 6 million Jews in Israel. 1 million live in the US. another 600,000 have US passports. That is more than a quarter of the population has already or is ready to run.
Israel began as a cause for Jewish grant hustlers to earn a living in the charity/educational/dogooder industry.
FRom 1880 on Zionists were supported by wealthy Jews. Every Jewish organization continually begged for funds. Jewish children ran around New York begging for money for Israel.
Since 1948 Israel has been supported by the American tax payers. It is both direct tax money and the massive amounts of tax deductions used by wealthy Jews to donate money to the innumerable Israeli causes.
The pro palestinian Jewish left in israel is well funded and active. They are typical leftists. Whatever their goverment wants they are against. The Palestinians are the enemy of Israel. Therefore the Israeli left is with the palestinians.
One of my relatives married an Israeli arab Jew.
He is dark skinned and looks very Arab. He and his family despise Israel.
According to him, his great grandparents were perfectly happy and prosperous in Algeria. The Zionists struck a deal with the Algerian government and the Algerian Jews were delivered to Israel.
Once they got there they were stuck in refugee camps for years. They were not allowed to work at their previous occupations. They are still discriminated against. That is why he left. He says that had he stayed in Israel he would have been unable to get a decent job and had he started a business he would have been strangled by goverment red tape and denied permits, contracts etc in favor of the ruling Russian Jews descended from the founding fathers.
I don’t think it will last. Nothing Jewish ever lasts. Jews are predators. Predators stalk, kill, feed and go on to the next prey.
Producers grow crops, breed herds, construct buildings, roads, build a civilization and stay where they are.
Predators destroy and have to move from place to place to feed.
Dianne Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum was already rich when the US opened to China. Since then he has made billions due to his business dealings with China and ownership of slave labor factories. That mean ole cruel capitalist.
@Felix Grubel:
We are ‘lectured’ many times how much more tollerant Islam has been towards Jews, let’s take that as a truth of face value.
The population residual of the inevitable Israeli collapse should thus stay in their ancient homelands of the middle east, they belong there far more than say White Sth Africans trying vainly to exodus now. The muslims there will not slaughter them or deny them a right to earn a good living or live a life, the Quran promotes mercy for those that seek it. The Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) however recognised the danger of Jewish ethnocentricity to society and provides much advice at managing Jewish aspirations appropriatly while protecting muslim interests. For instance the Iranian Parliament provides specific Jewish seat to represent its Jewish population, implicitly this ensures that disproportionatly high proportions of Jews do not enter representation as they do in the US congress and senate (between 9% and 12%).
The Islamic attitude seems to be that they, Jews, will be given the protection of Islam under certain terms and conditions (best to surrender early though) that limit their power over muslims. Certainly Islams banking laws obliterate Jewish capacity to concentrate financial power and its laws in reference to public decency will eliminate the exploitation of sexual tensions in counter-cultural media. There will be no marrying of cute or wealthy shiksas without sincere conversion. Any subversion of Islam’s moral hegemony will be dealt with in totality.
Really the position of Jews in the middle east will be much better than the position of Whites under the ANC.
Middle eastern populations are well equiped to handle Jewish populations in their midst in such a way that no one can complain about things being unfair.
It’s hard to immagine a race or culture more naive to expolitation than Europeans.
Oh dandy! Just what the US and Western Europe needs. Even more millions of virulent, mono-maniacal, fiercely racist Jews. Oh Joy.
Mari, the cycle of Jew predation on Caucasians has existed for centuries. In the instances where Whites throwe off the Jew Vampire, White civilization flourishes. I think this cycle MUST end, once and for all, since my people are facing extinction.
FYI people – Jews installed Mao. They have been “helping” Communist Chinese rule, for decades.
Israel and world Jewry certainly have a very cozy spoils system constructed. They have a bloated, hubristic, parasitical state called ‘Israel’, which is supported by the rest of world Jewry, who operate and exploit the de-facto western colonies of America, Britain and the German rump state. This is what this article essentially reconfirms.
@Dirk: It’s very difficult to get into China??!?!?! You obviously haven’t been to “Chocolate City” in Guangzhou or had a Nigerian offer to sell you pot across the street from Worker’s Stadium in Beijing.
@me:
Appaently you could blame it on the youth wing of the Norweigen Labour Party in the sense that Scandinavian aid has subsidised a spectacular population growth of 6x and a youth bulge in Gaza etc.
Danish psychologist Gunnar Heinsohn has analysed data and cocluded that “80 per cent of world history is about superfluous young men making trouble” ie a youth bulge particular evident in parts of the muslim world.
Partial Cut and Paste of interview as pertaining to Israel:
http://www.sappho.dk/interview-a-continent-of-losers.htm
“So you do not believe that the so-called peace process between Israel and the Palestinians is realistic?”
“No, and the main reason is the big mistake that was made in Oslo in 1991, when the secret negotiations between Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin started. The error was that nobody took any notice of the Palestinian population explosion. The Palestinian population has multiplied almost 6 times within the last 50 years. We should have done two things: Israel should have stopped its settlements, and the world community should have said to the Palestinians: Every child in Palestine will be fed by the world community as before, because by accepting that every Palestinian child is a refugee, the world community has a responsibility for the number of children born. But from January 1st 1992 you will have to pay for your newborn children, just as a woman does in Lebanon, in Tunisia and in Algeria. That is what they should have told the Palestinians. Why am I mentioning these three countries? Because in those societies a women has fewer than two children on the average. Had we done that 15 years ago, we would have seen a generation of young Palestinian men with few reasons to commit violence against each other or against the Jews. But we did not, and therefore I do not believe in the peace process, even if Hamas should decide to sign everything. Their young men will tear such agreements to pieces.”
Demographic rearmament – tiny Gaza has a
population of 1.4 million with a male median
age of 15.7 years
Heinsohn points out that it is the USA and the EU, and particularly the Scandinavian countries, that pay for the enormous Palestinian child production. We must cease this support, so that the Palestinians pay for the children they bring into the world after a certain point in time.
@Ciaran: “Ciaran
August 4, 2011 – 9:18 pm | Permalink
Mari, the cycle of Jew predation on Caucasians has existed for centuries. In the instances where Whites throwe off the Jew Vampire, White civilization flourishes. I think this cycle MUST end, once and for all, since my people are facing extinction. ”
As we all speak and watch the destruction of all White European nations before our very eyes – I think it is safe to say that the jews are also seeking to put a permanent ‘end, once and for all’ to this cycle of White Europeans throwing their vampire enemies out of their nations. Instead of White Europeans seizing the offensive – jews have seized the offensive, and if not stopped – fully intend to make sure that White Europeans will control or dominate no nation on this Earth.
A great piece by John Derbyshire for those who think that the chosen ones will even have a chance at devouring China:
John Derbyshire On Understanding China and The Chinese
@Felix Grubel:
He was talking in Turkey about China. Derbyshire is deluded about both, he thinks that the WW1British troops respected the Turks as worthy adversaries. It may be true of those who never got close but those taken prisoner hated them; the Turks sodomized their British POWs ( see the book “Kut”).
Anyway, as I read it that article was suggesting the Chinese (Han) should withdraw from half of ‘China’ and fall back into the Han heartland. Derbyshire is way off in his understanding of governments like China and their attitude to demographics. Like the Asia Times’ Spengler (about Iran) Derbyshire thinks the Chinese government has is obviously helpless in the face of a falling birthrate (ie it has no conceivable motive to lower the birthrate).
Not so, the Arab spring confirmed the numerous predictions of political unheaval in the Islamic world or in any society where there is a high proportion of young (men). IMO the brutally enforced one child policy of China was/is intended to keep the current ruling clique in power by preventing a youth bulge ( read Gunnar Heinsohn ). Governments in authoritarian countries understand that a high birthrate means trouble down the line for them and their kids, (ie their children will be regarded as a corrupt elite by a teeming young populace and be overthrown in Egypt with Mubatak’s children right now).
Before Israel fails something very unpleasant will have happened to the US and W. Europe. Like a war with China for example.
@Bear:
You are ignoring the success that Flemish and especially French nationalists have achieved since they re-branded to support Israels right to try and remain a Jewish state.
That right clearly implies a similar right for white nations and strengthens the white cause against its most deadly opponents. Lumping left- leaning Diaspora Jews and the Israeli right together is a disastrous mistake which has taken nationalists from one defeat to another .
Backing the Palestinians is making it even more likely that we will end up like them.
@Someday:
A lot of children are not a problem, this has been the case for generations everywhere, like in India for example. What is definitively very dangerous is education – a lot of highly educated youngsters with a job. That’s what happened in 1989 in China, long after the one-child policy was imposed. The Chinese government responded by a rigid numerus fixus for university entrance and every time adjusting norms upwards if the flow becomes to large. It keeps students on the campus and rises school performance.
@Dirk:
Islamic radicalization and terrorism among Palestinians is due to an excess of educated young people with jobs ?
Ending the West’s Proxy War Against Israel: Stop funding a Palestinian youth bulge, and the fighting will stop too.
@Someday: I am sorry, I typed wrong – a lot of highly educated youngsters withOUT a job.
Palestinian situation is of course diffirent from the average Arab interior situation.
@fender_strat: Don’t be too sure of the Chinese reaction, Fender_strat. The Chinese are suspicious of all non-native Chinese and, as a whole, they are a very intelligent people with no sympathy (as American diplomat Geroge Keenan said).
This is good news because it will end the Zionist control of the US. Over one million Israelis are already here in the US and another one million have passports to come here. I know many of these Israelis are lip service Zionist fanatics but they will not be able to help Israel since they no longer live there. Just empty hot air.
@Dirk:
GUNNAR HEINSOHN
This is terrible news. I know a lot of people commenting on here are happy to see Zionism possibly coming to an end, but this will mean more Jews in White countries doing what they’ve been doing for centuries, destroying them. No more non-Whites in White countries, enough!
Israel has sucked $93 billion from West German (East German communist knew their Zionist brothers from inside-out. They did not pay a single $). Israel has sucked over $3trillion from US taxpayers since 1973 (according to Christian Science Monitor).
However, with all that cash and an annual military aid of $3 billion – according to Israeli report, one out of three Jewish children live in poverty.
Daniel Levy in Gurdian (April 28, 2011) that Israel needs American suckers more than ever.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/levy-israel-is-more-insecure-than-ever/
Israel bashing, how does it help us ?
Israel has so many skeletons in it’s closet that it is a wonder that it has not been struck by a powerful bolt of lightening and incinerated leaving only a black sooty patch on this Earth .
Israel is a monstrosity built of extortion , lies , hate , violence , blood and death . It will be a wonder if Israel’s inevitable demise does not take a large portion of the entire globe down with it .
@John hearns:
That line will unite all Jews against white nationalism.
It’s an interesting approach to strategy: combine your enemies into a solid front and concentrate their strength against your weakest point.
@Someday:
Well , IMO , an analogy might be that there is an asteroid heading for earth and you are saying that it makes a difference that someone speaks of the oncoming collision .
Most jews do not want a collision . We shall see . It’s a global drama that will be played out .
@Someday:
It’s an interesting approach to strategy: combine your enemies into a solid front and concentrate their strength against your weakest point.
Many Jews are good people who are ready to defect . Don’t force them all in to one hopeless group .
@Bear: Why this excitement about Gunnar Heinsohn? First off, he is German, not Danish, and he lived in Israel (quite contentedly, it seems) from 1976 to 1978. Second, he is a bought-and-paid-for neocon; he is applauded by the New York Times and the Weekly Standard, and he has written for the latter (perhaps the former, too, for all I know). He is also considered the bee’s knees by the ghastly Gates of Vienna crowd. Third, his day job is the directorship of something called the Raphael Lemkin Institute for Xenophobia and Genocide Research (situated at the University of Bremen). Can you guess which genocide’s name, like that of Abou Ben Adhem in Leigh Hunt’s famous poem, leads all the rest? Fourth, if The Pretend Encyclopedia is to be credited, he traces anti-Semitism and the Holocaust™ to the desire of Hitler and his fellow “Christian” Nazis to expunge Jewish ethics permanently from the world (Jewish ethics being, of course, the world’s most prominent totally extinct species). In the words of that Jewish archhero, the high priest Caiaphas, what further need have we of witnesses? Rather more to the point, why ought we to heed anything this guy says?
Fifth and postscriptively last, I can find no information about his private life. Does anyone here know whether Heinsohn has or had a wife or family or both? His sneering contempt for children, notably highlighted in his scoffing at any suggestion that Western families respond to the Muslim youth bulge by having kids of their own, reeks of homosexuality. I am not saying that Heinsohn is a homosexual, but absent evidence to the contrary, I wouldn’t bet a dollar against it.
@Someday:
Is Mr. “Someday” a Jew?If so,what is his purpose of posting here?Let us examine some of his comments.
Who does he (subconsciously) mean with “us”?
Is this a real “concern” or a (veiled) threat?
His main concern seems to be Israel.Let’s look further:
Suspicion confirmed,his main concern is Israel and he wants to stop the support for the Palestinians in the West.How does he think to achieve that?
Right,using white nationalist movements to support Israel.But how do you persuade them to do that?
So a quid pro quo arrangement: If you help us to survive then we will help you to survive.Against whom?Against its most deadly opponents.But who are those?
So here is a confession: it is the left-leaning Diaspora Jews who are the major threat to the survival of the West.But “Someday” is not one of them,he’s a “good Jew”,he will protect us against those bad ones,if only we will support Israel.But that the whole arrangement is not based on love becomes clear when he ends (again) with a threat:
With “we” he of course means “you”.
So there you have it: a diaspora Jew who is deeply concerned with the survival of Israel and wants to stop the support for the Palestinians in the West.Since he is a realist,he understands that Israel cannot survive without help from the West.So he tries to get that help by making a deal with WN’s:support our survival and we will support yours.
Shall we go for it?Do we really need these people and above all can we trust them?
What’s needed is some reality therapy about the level of influence achieved by nationalism, it’s less than zero ( ie negative ). Serious politicians have realized that Israel bashing does nothing to help their nation.
@Someday:
A “serious” politician according to your definition is someone who betrays his country for the Jews.We need another type of “serious” politician.Sure the Jewish Mafia is very powerful,but you cannot destroy a Mafia by obeying it.All your “advices” are actually veiled threats.
I’m not a Palestinian, I don’t want to destroy Israel. My problem is with left leaning diaspora Jews and their promotion of non white immigration into white countries.
Those who point out the hypocrisy of open borders neocons supporting Israel’s ethno-nationalist policies ought to focus on the neocon advocacy of open borders as wrong not their Zionism. There is nothing wrong with US Jews wanting to keep Israel a Jewish state just as there is nothing wrong with white nationalism. Westerners who support the Palestinian cause are the same people who want their fellow whites to become a minority in their own countries (see article ‘Stephen Walt on Anders Brevick, Immigration, and Western Culture’ ).
As far as I am concerned the Israelis are welcome to Israel.
@Someday:
It’s funny , but Palestinians are wanting a nation too , on until recently THEIR territory .
Sound familiar ?
If WN’s were able to form a new nation , and that new nation was created and behaved in the way that Israel was/does , then , I would not support it either .
It’s not just about building and maintaining a nation , it’s about what kind of nation you build and maintain .
Your avowed mindset is common enough among whites but can’t be called white nationalism.
A nation that wants to survive has to behave in the way that Israel has/does.
There is not a single example in history of a nation or state acting in the purely universalist way you suggest.
@John hearns: “If WN’s were able to form a new nation , and that new nation was created and behaved in the way that Israel was/does , then , I would not support it either .”
A few comments are in order, regarding the above statements by Mr. Hearns.
First of all, since a new White Nationalist ethno-state would, by definition, prohibit the presence of any non-whites – and this would have to include mixed raced whites or mixed race marriages by whites and non-whites, I think it would be a clear certainty that the WN leadership would not be abusing or tormenting minorities – the way the Israelis do to their non-jewish inhabitants.
Secondly, these jewish invented mental diseases known as ‘liberalism’ and ‘Cultural Marxism’ cannot be permitted to rise again – among whites who would inhabit the new White Nationlist ethno-state. Whites, for some strange reason, seem to be highly susceptible to ideologies that tap into their altruistic emotions and tendencies to sympathize with the ‘underdog’. When such altruistic feelings are confined to their fellow whites, these are admirable qualities to possess and a white ethno-state would want to encourage this behavior. But, as the jews have clearly shown us – when a highly intelligent and devious enemy recognizes this trait and skillfully manipulates it to enlist whites in their battle to genocide our race and destroy our nations – precautions must be taken to guard against this again being used as a weapon against our people. Therefore, strict laws would need to be enacted to suppress Cultural Marxism and liberalism from rearing their ugly and nation-destroying heads ever again.
Thirdly, a big part of what defines a legitimate ‘White Nationalist’ is his or her respect for the rights of all other races to also pursue Nationalistic policies for their people. This includes having respect for national borders and for national sovereignty – free from any outside meddling or interference, such as what we have consistently seen out of these Globalist traitors who have been in control of most White Western nations for the last 50 or 60 years.
In other words, we would not be attacking other nations and trying to steal their resources.
However, should any other nation or race decide to wage war on our White Ethno-state, then our response should be as ruthless as it is swift.
@Luke:
Exactly , this assertion that being pro-white nationalism means that you must support Israel is a retarded idea ; it is like saying that you have to support Breivik if you feel that Muslims should not be swamping Europe .
And , this analogy is accurate in more ways than one .
The whole idea of WN is to build a better , more functional, more prosperous , more creative , more cohesive – nation .
Militant aggresive murderous nations built on stolen land and used as a headquarters for global criminality certainly does not fit in to that category .
Good news for the racist anti-Muslims who fear the so-called ‘Islamization’ of Europe.
January 2011 PEW report on The Global Muslim Population says that the increase in European Muslim population will be only 2 percent (from 6% to 8%) in the next 20 years.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/romania-to-re-define-anti-semitism%e2%80%99/
All countries are “Militant aggresive murderous nations built on stolen land and used as a headquarters for global criminality” if you listen to the previous owners.
Anyway you are the one supporting Israel not me; the practical effect of white nationalists criticizing Israel is not to make Israel weaker. You’re damaging the white cause (by misdirecting limited resources) and actively helping Israel. Association with anti Israel nutzis damages the credibility of Israels real mortal enemies, the liberal universalist opponents.
If you want Israel’s Jewish state wrecked then leave it to the liberal universalists ( ie just shut up). Nationalism needs to establish it’s credibility by talking about about immigration, part of that involves discussing the major contribution that diaspora Jewry is making to the demographic destruction of white majorities.
You obviously can’t see the contradiction in trying to convice whites to support an ethnostate while at the same time painting Israelis as evil for wanting a Jewish state. While I don’t think we should hold up Israel as an example of what we are aiming for, an understanding with Israeli Jewish nationalists would have many advantages. Europe and Israel have the same problem, the solution is also the same: population transfer.
@Luke:
Either of the following two statements is true:
1) You would like to engage in wholesale ethnic cleansing.
2) Or else you are willing to give up North America, Australia, New Zealand, and much of Europe.
If 1) is true, than I don’t see how your WN ethnostate would be much better than Israel. If 2) is true, than you’re not WNist in any real sense of the world.
@Someday:
Yeah, but many Western nations have no previous owners. Like the UK or Scandinavia: apparently the population has been in place since the last glaciation. Even the Russians seem to be so, since they apparently to a large extent assimilated many of the conquered Finno-Ugrian, Volga Tatar, etc. peoples. Or who is the previous owner of Germany or Italy? There might be some border disputes (like South Tirol), but by and large these countries don’t have anybody with valid historical claims to their land.
Gabor, That’s right! A real world WN ethnostate would not be much better than Yisrael Beiteinu’s future vision for Israel. Can you see the advantages in that ?
Israel is unusual in that it is extremely recently that they took the land and the Palestinians remain in existence as a distinct people. But if you go back far enough in most lands the original inhabitants have become a minor strain in the population as a result of conquest.
Russia was the expansionist power for most of it’s history. That was the reason for WW 1& 2, the Germans decided that they had to defeat a rapidly developing Russia (which had 3 times the population and 40 times the space of Germany) before it became any more powerful and overwhelmed them.
@Someday: Russia was expansionist but for most of her history she didn’t expel populations the way the Israelis have done to the Palestinians. Russia most of the time wanted to convert her subject to her religion (be it Christianity or Marxism-Leninism) and assimilate them, but most of the time (there were exceptions, mostly in the Soviet times but also in imperial times) they didn’t do ethnic cleansing.
Most of the present-day Russian people is genetically only partially descended from the people of the old Rus (which was also to a large extent already mixed), they also absorbed Finno-Ugrian, Volga Tatar, etc. populations.
But Russia is besides the point. Many of the European countries (e.g. Sweden) have a claim to their countries in a way the Israelis don’t: there was nobody there before the Swedes, nearly everybody else (except the Lapps in the north) are recent immigrants. A WNist or ethnonationalist Sweden could be much better than Israel, because there’s nobody but the Swedes with any claims whatsoever to the land. Same thing for France, Belgium (Flemish and Vallonian parts), Netherlands, Italy (maybe separately Northern and Southern Italy), etc.
But in the case of the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, they still have large native populations. There’s also the case of blacks (who are as recent newcomers as whites in the US), and others who are already citizens.
Question is, are you going to get rid of them (in which case you cannot be much better than Israel, at least in that respect), or are you willing to give up this land. Or maybe you can create a segregation with them, which might be nicer than what the Israelis are doing, but will be deeply resented by these peoples.
I don’t have answers, but somebody wrote: “If WN’s were able to form a new nation , and that new nation was created and behaved in the way that Israel was/does , then , I would not support it either .” Now I recognize the person who wrote it has a highly developed moral sense (of which whites seem to have plenty), but it raises some interesting questions.
Israel is built on countless myths. One of these is myth is the rebuilding of Jewish 3rd Temple at the site of Al-Aqsa Mosque – which is built inside the walls of an old Roman fortress and NOT on top of the 2nd Temple of Mount destroyed in 70 CE.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/the-%e2%80%98wailing-wall%e2%80%99-is-not-jewish/
Comparisons of Israel vis-a-vis white nations leave out the fact that Jews have never built a stable nation, and Israel is no exception. The Zionist experiment is completely dependent on a large (never patriated) expatriate community of Jews, and internally is riven by infighting. The basic business model of Zionism is (1) create a myth of settlement; (2) use the myth to extract funds from Gentiles; (3) use the money to bribe Jews to live in the Promised Land; (4) use the Jews in the Promised Land to create a myth of settlement.
The government of Israel is not a self sustaining entity. France, England, Germany, and all other “real” countries evolved over centuries. There is nobody willing or able to kick the French out of France, and the French don’t want to be anyplace else, so voila! France exists. Israel has to deceive and bribe and hustle it’s own people to live within it’s borders, and there are plenty of other who want to kick them out.
I give Israel ten more years.
RDeW
The point i am trying to make is that no actual real world nation can be ‘better than Israel’ and continue to exist.
US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, still have large native populations.
Riley DeWiley, Israel survives on subsidies, well early on Prussia was heavily subsidised by England but that didn’t mean it was a pretend country.
Gabor, You seem to think that Israel has already expelled the Palestinians. Not so, they are a substantial and growing minority in Israel , and this is why some on the Israeli right propose a swop
Even this is very far from being expulsion.
As yet Israel has not crossed the rubicon of outright expulsions, it’s no business of mine anyway. I really don’t care about Palestinians.
Gabor, I’m trying to say that who the previous or original inhabitants of the land were is quite irrelevant in practice.
As for the suggestion that expulsion of all non whites is the only logical aim, well I disagree. A purely white state is not a realstic objective in the US or many other countries (as nationalists surely understand) but a state could protect white interests to a very great extent without having a 100% white population. It’s an attainable objective which is well worth trying for and in no way immoral.
There is nothing morally questionable about trying to have a state which protects white interests as long as you do not try to portray Israelis as evil for the relatively innocuous measures they have taken to remain a Jewish state.
There is increasing African immigration into Israel – nowhere near the scale of that to Europe or America but it’s growing. These Africans often do menial work at ultra low remuneration….I would surmise that the 25% youth unemployed in Israel may be tied into this
@Felix Grubel:
Stay the hell out of Eastern Europe! No need for Jews here.
@Someday:
Someday, Israel has expelled the large majority of the previous Arab population in 1948. Yes, for political and some other reasons (e.g. they didn’t have an explicit policy, and some of their leaders didn’t support any such policy), they didn’t do a 100% job, just a mere 75-80% job, but that’s still a lot. They essentially expelled over 50% of the population of the area which was to become the State of Israel in 1949.
It has. Just read Benny Morris (Israeli historian), although a bit apologetical (e.g. he emphasizes the lack of a general policy or explicit order by the Israeli government), he clearly documents that a huge portion of the Palestinians were expelled, and that even though the majority fled on their own accord, Hagana/IDF forces never let them back (most of them wanted to go back after a few weeks or months), and the reason for their flight was fear – a general fear of the fighting and a more specific fear of potential Hagana/IDF actions. But those who remained, were often expelled by the Hagana/IDF, in the case of a few isolated cases (like al-Majdal with an Arab population of roughly 10 thousand) as late as 1950 (long after the fighting was over).
@Someday:
I agree. However, it doesn’t mean that – from a moral standpoint – it’s irrelevant or not.
Well, it could be realistic if you’re willing to do ethnic cleansing. But that’s besides the point. I wasn’t suggesting ethnic cleansing. I only answered to a comment by Luke, and he wrote that there would be no minorities in the future White Nationalist ethnostate. I just tried to find out the logical consequences of such a proposal. I thought (and I stick to that) there are two possibilities: either this ethnostate will be small, or it will engage in ethnic cleansing on a massive scale. I find both positions unthinkable, so I agree with you on that point.
@Gabor: The end of the first paragraph I forgot to finish, and it’s meaningless. :)
So I meant that from a moral standpoint it is relevant, whether one is expelling recent immigrants or the natives.
The fastest way to population control is industrialization. Every country that has become highly industrialized has had a marked reduction in birth rate. The trick will be industrializing the exploding populations like India and the Middle East, while restraining trade with them. Somalia and Ethiopia, with ridiculously high birth rates and no water, should be left to their own devices.
As for the diaspora returning to Russia, there appears to be a group of islands between the Laptev and East Siberian Seas that may be suitable space for them and all others in the new diaspora.
I would not suggest resorting to the the solution I heard many years ago from a Viet Nam vet about dealing with the blacks and Jews in the US: the solution to the Panama Canal “crisis” was to “fill it with niggers and pave it with Jews”.
There is no analogy with the Palestinians leaving Israel (no one disputes that middle class Palestinians left voluntarily months before the events Morris describes) with expelling all non whites, unless we are talking about a racial civil war in the US. Israel’s actions took place in war, they can not be compared to a deliberate ethnic cleansing of 100% of a certain population in peacetime. Yes it makes a difference whether the Palestinians were in fact a long settled population even if if they were not ethnically cleansed but enemy civilians who fled after their side was defeated However it is arguable that the bulk of the 1948 Palestinians were themselves immigrants, furthermore the original 600,000′s claim can not reasonably be inherited 50 years later by their 5 million descendants.
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You’re blaming Israel from a moral luck standpoint, they were supposed to beg enemy civilians to stay ? Israel could easily have expelled all Palestinians in 1967 but didn’t.
One in five Russian Jews returning to Russia! Does anyone else here recall the enormous fuss that was made in the 70s and 80s about getting them out? It occupied a significant hold on our political, pop and academic culture. It was sufficiently pushed that several entertainment feature films were made, and sufficiently widely understood that they generally sold tickets alright. Of course anyone familiar with the editorialized “holocaust of six million Jews” following the First World War knows, these pressing emergencies come and go. The important thing is that they provide triumphs for various notables to claim their their little “meritocracy.”
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@Someday:
“You obviously can’t see the contradiction in trying to convice whites to support an ethnostate while at the same time painting Israelis as evil for wanting a Jewish state.”
You just don’t get it. People are too stupid to understand contradictions and hypocrisy. That’s why Jews openly advocate the destruction of white countries but simultaneously support strict ethnocentrism for themselves and israel. No one notices it, no one calls them out on it.
WN’s need to use the same strategy. Support pro-white causes and criticise Jewish ones. The point is to draw a clear distinction between the two groups, because their views do not coalesce.
“an understanding with Israeli Jewish nationalists would have many advantages.”
Oh dear. This is why whites always fail, because they think in terms of temporary advantages. Let me ask you: what if Israel collapses, and WN’s were stupidly supporting it all along? How is that going to look? Furthermore, Jewish nationalism is part of our problem. Why on earth would you want an alliance with them?
“Europe and Israel have the same problem,”
No they don’t. Europe’s problem is mass immigration perpetrated by Jews and their white sheeple. Israel’s “problem” is their own totalitarianism and hostility towards the whole world.