Mark Green’s current TOO article “My Smackdown with Anti-White Crusader Tim Wise” is a must read. The article is an email exchange between Green, the editor of Persecution Privilege And Power, and the notorious Tim Wise who makes a living laying guilt trips on Whites about how privileged they are. Wise turns out to be Jewish (Why am I always the last to find out?). The interesting thing then is how Wise deals with the fact that he has directed all his energies against White “racism” in America and against apartheid South Africa while pretty much avoiding the issue of Jewish ethnocentrism and apartheid in Israel.
Wise is typical of the vast majority of American Jews. 83% voted for Obama, and the Jewish community is a pillar of multiculturalism in America. At the same time the Jewish community strongly supports Israel even though it has become dominated by racial Zionists and religious fundamentalists dedicated to Israeli expansion and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
I think that Wise is better than most Jews in trying to be intellectually consistent. He desperately wants to feel like a good guy, but there’s a huge blind spot. When I brought these issues up on faculty email battles at CSU-Long Beach in responding to morally superior Jewish professors who accused me of racism, the response was a mild version of Wise’s — something like “I oppose some of Israel’s actions” — and then immediately go back to attacking me. They didn’t feel any need to oppose Israeli racism with the same energy and intensity as they oppose any manifestation of White ethnocentrism. And yet as members of the Jewish community they certainly bear a huge burden of responsibility for Israel’s actions, since US support for Israel continues to be critical to its ability to create an apartheid state and oppress the Palestinians.
As Green’s article makes clear, the only consistency is “What’s good for the Jews.” Wise and other Jewish leftists are consistently pursuing their ethnic interests — opposition to the White majority in the US motivated by fear, loathing, and a desire for power, while supporting at least implicitly the aggressively ethnonationalist state of Israel. Hard-nosed, aggressive ethnic politics all around. But Tim Wise will be the absolutely last person to see his own actions as the height of ethnocentrism.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Dr. MacDonald—As usual, I simply say thank you. I will send this article to my daughters whom I am working hard to provide them with to “goods” on our many Jewish friends. louie
Wise’s site has numerous essays. Not surprisingly, none of them seem to be about Israel.
His whining about being bullied by “chrisitan axholes” when he was little caught my attention. This seems to be a common theme among jews; Jonathan Pollard gave the same excuse for his treason. Childhood tends to be a very tooth and claw affair for everyone, exect a perfect few. anyone who doesn’t fit in in some way can be subjected to brutal bullying. But it seems that Jews(and probably other minorities) form the false impression that they have been bullied because they are Jewish, and this seed grows into a poison tree of anti-white christian activism.
Ah, but you touch the key point! There ought not to be any “goods” to provide.
If Jews were bullied by Christian assholes then why can we not get rid of them. They must like it.
They could always live in Israel but they’d rather live in Brooklyn or Miami or go back to Germany so they can extract more pounds of flesh from the German people who I hope will be more successful in dealing with them the next time.
The bottom line is that it does ZERO good to try to reason with them. They do not debate in good faith. they’re full of bs.
I suppose its necessary to publish the facts about them for those who do not yet know.
Is Mark Green of Jewish descent? That would be interesting. Green is a common Jewish surname, and if this is his picture, he does look a bit Semitic. I’ve never heard of him before, but in reading the correspondence with Wise, I wondered whether Wise responded to him at all because he was assuming he was a fellow Jew. He probably gets such irate emails all the time.
If Mark Green is a Jew he’d be another exception to the rule, like Steve Sailer and Nicholas Stix. There are a few such, who are to varying degrees useful to us; in some respect they are anti-Jew Jews. Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Michael Levin, and John Entine are also in this group. Some even say Hitler had some Jewish blood! :-D
I don’t think Steve Sailer is Jewish. He’s adopted and speculates that he may be 1/2 Jewish. He may just be saying that for the political sympathy, of course.
Noam Chomsky is hardly anti-Jewish, he is the perfect example of a left gatekeeper used to keep criticism of Jews, Judaism, or Zionism from the left under wraps.
Chomsky has written dozens of books about the media but virtually nothing about Jewish influence in the media. Chomsky immediately came out and attack The Israel Lobby paper right along side of Alan Dershowitz. He does make all of the right noises about being against the Israeli right wing, but he still supports a Jewish state – and is opposed to any states at all for white people. Chomsky is the perfect example of a lefty who throws out his supposed convictions when it’s “good for the Jews.”
This is a tactic that is very effective I think – these anti-white Jews should be confronted on their Jewish ethnic interests. “Jewish Privilege” is real and everyone in America of all races knows it to one degree or another.
Oh I responded to Adam, my bad.
Off topic but you have to see this.
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http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2010/03/nothing_funny_about_this_monke.php
Tennessean got into big trouble. nobody ever had a problem with this site calling Bush a chimp. smirkingchimp.com.
Mark Green is a gentile. If you look at his interview with Jeff Blankfort which can be accessed from the site promoting his book, he states that he is a gentile. But he does come off as a pushy NYer.
AmusedEuro says:
Noam Chomsky is hardly anti-Jewish, he is the perfect example of a left gatekeeper used to keep criticism of Jews, Judaism, or Zionism from the left under wraps. … Chomsky is the perfect example of a lefty who throws out his supposed convictions when it’s “good for the Jews.”
Your little portrait here is hard to reconcile with his support of free speech for Holocaust “denier” Robert Faurisson, for which he took a lot of flack, and also his criticism of Israel.
Oh I responded to Adam, my bad.
Don’t worry, you fit right in. Poor levels of self control are typical of the degenerate whites in my fan club.
Here is the video of Mark Green interviewing Jeff Blankfort:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNf2SntA3pk&feature=PlayList&p=ACB2D2C81ABB963F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12
Jeff Blankfort does a great job of exposing Noam Chomsky as a great master of the lie here:
http://www.leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/Chomsky.html
Finrod says:
I don’t think Steve Sailer is Jewish. He’s adopted and speculates that he may be 1/2 Jewish. He may just be saying that for the political sympathy, of course.
It’s funny how hysterical anti-semites who see a Jew behind every tree and under every bed like to draw the line at Steve Sailer. What is it about the guy? Maybe, like Hitler’s alleged Jewish blood, it would just be too embarrassing for them to acknowledge. Anyway, Sailer sounds pretty convinced he is Jewish, so why shouldn’t others be? He outed himself in a post in his Yahoo evolutionary psychology group, reproduced here:
Read the rest of his remarks here:
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000770.html
(Scroll down to the second comment on the page.)
I don’t like Wise but he is as much Irish as he is Jewish.
“Your little portrait here is hard to reconcile with his support of free speech for Holocaust “denier” Robert Faurisson, for which he took a lot of flack, and also his criticism of Israel.”
And yet your portrait makes no attempt to reconcile the ways in which Chomsky ignores and criticizes the overwhelming evidence for Jewish malfeasance contrary to Chomsky’s stated principles that AmusedEuro brings up.
“It’s funny how hysterical anti-semites who see a Jew behind every tree”
It’s funny how Jews like Adwarf and Chomsky are worried enough about a backlash against Jews to run interference for the Tribe. Are they just paranoid?
If Mark Green is a Jew he’d be another exception to the rule, like Steve Sailer and Nicholas Stix.
Steve Sailer is 1/2 Jewish, if his wife’s genealogical research is correct. Don’t know about Nicholas — is he full Jewish? I’d like to see more full Jews being supportive of White Europeans.
Steve Sailer said: “…having a very Jewish-style brain (e.g., enjoying logical argument)….”
That’s funny. The last thing I associate Jews with is being logical! Sure, they score high on the linguistic side of IQ, but that has little to do with logic. And you can see that in most Jewish arguments — it’s all about persuasion, not logical argumentation.
Being logical is obviously associated with performance IQ, like being able to rotate three-dimensional objects in one’s head. Engineers, bridge builders — they’re the ones who are logical — not peoples whose strong point is in linguistics.
On the subject of Tim Wise’s belief that he has been persecuted by “Christian assholes,” here is a column in which Wise called white Christians “spiritual terrorists.”
“I would burn in a lake of fire for all eternity, just like all of my Jewish ancestors, because we had rejected God. ”
Hurray for Christians! I am fervently hoping that they have correctly predicted Tim Wise’s fate.
icr doesn’t read much…i have at least 5 essays critiquing israel on my site, including one that attacks the very concept of Zionism itself. I am regularly threatened by Zionists because of them too, in addition to my speeches about the subject, and regular open advocacy of a one state, democratic solution to the Palestine issue…But leave it to a tenured professor like kevin to miss all that in the service of his Nazi bullshit (and yes kev, that’s what you get called when you start consorting with skinheads, which is your current shtick–yes the yiddish is just for you bubbie)…
And Kevin as usual, ignores that aspect of my analysis too (the anti-Zionist part) thereby assuming in his post that I support the ethno-state of Israel, when any reading of the very email exchange he claims is so illuminating, indicated clearly that I do not…
Adam, I’m not a hysterical anti-semite. (and look who’s talking.) Your passage confirms exactly what I said. He MAY be biologically half Jewish. Religiously, he is from a Catholic background. Steve Sailer has been objective about Jewish issues at times, but believe me, he spends the other 99% of the time apologizing for it!
On the other hand, his writing style is in a very smarmy, Jewish vein. At first, I presumed that he was Jewish, until he claimed a Catholic background.
I thought it was funny how he talked about being bullied by Christians, which I don’t believe for a second. On this issue they are notorious liars, which shows you how incredibly low-down they are that they were more than likely either ignored or treated fairly and yet, to no avail.
Shame on the foolish Whites who still allow Jews to lead in that dance of death.
But I thought it was funny how he complained about that and then went right into how he has benefited from White priviledge.
I was somewhat surprised and a little disappointed that Glenn didn’t pounce on that one.
His being discriminated against didn’t keep from receiving enough priviledge to feel “guilty” about it to the point that he has to tour the country and write books lecturing us into some sort of healing process!
My God what sickness! What soul-sickness must possess a man, and those unwilling to see this or say anything about it if they do?
The best we can do is define this, or, diagnose it, as a soul-sickness and be the best Doctors we can be – and even the best, or, bravest, Patients, since this has effected, and infected practically everybody. That’s clear.
Oh, and What’s he doing at Berklee?
I actually went there, for a year, before going on the road with a band.
When I went there the owner of Berklee, or founder, was still alive.
Anyone want to know his name? Lawrence Berk. Known as Lee.
Berk Lee, get it?
That’s why he’s at a music school. Man alive, what tenacles!
A serpent, a virus, a plague? Call it what you will.
Either way it’s a serious problem that spells big trouble.
The exchange between Mark Green and Tim Wise is a most interesting and revealing Gedankenaustausch. It shows the essential nature of the schizophrenic and duplicitous attack against White existence by a stereotypical Jewish ‘zealot’. Wise’s whole race agitating “career” seems to have been built around demonizing, hectoring and reviling the hated White “goyim”, and no others. Perhaps that’s why H.S. Chamberlain referred to such Jewish anti-racialists with the sobriquet of the “Great Anti-race”.
So wait, Chomsky supporting free speech for a holocaust denier makes Chomsky “anti-Jewish”? LMAO. Keep those gems coming!
Bravo Tim Wise,
I felt they were trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill with these emails. I felt your position was completely consistent. And I can see why one would shrink from criticizing Zionists, for just the reasons you mention. But now, considering that–that you have threatened by Zionists–have you ever been threatened by any of these so-called “neo-nazis”? So which is really worse?
Tiny Timmy Wise the Jew says:
“i have at least 5 essays critiquing israel on my site, including one that attacks the very concept of Zionism itself.”
What do you want, a cookie, Timmy? Even if that is the case, you probably figure the goyim are sufficiently brainwashed by the Jew-media to make IsraHell’s position secure. So you write those essays to keep up appearances, figuring no harm done. And, I wouldn’t doubt, you only wrote them at all in response to like criticism in the past, quasi-shrewd Jew that you are.
“I am regularly threatened by Zionists because of them too, in addition to my speeches about the subject, and regular open advocacy of a one state, democratic solution to the Palestine issue…”
Pardon me if I don’t take your word for it, Timmy. Let’s have some proof.
“But leave it to a tenured professor like kevin to miss all that in the service of his Nazi bullshit (and yes kev, that’s what you get called when you start consorting with skinheads, which is your current shtick–yes the yiddish is just for you bubbie)…”
Timmy no doubt supports the vitiation of the First Amendment that our blond haired, blue eyed Germanic ancestors created for our people, never imagining that Semitic dwarfs like Timmy would attempt to destroy it; as they have managed to do to the ability of Nordic White men to speak against their Asiatic tyranny in almost every other Western country. No doubt Tiny Timmy would have would have been the man to stuff a rag in the mouth of some hapless Slavic peasant to muffle his screams as his Joooish co-ethnics applied the truncheons to extract a false confession had Timmy lived back in the good old days of Judeo-Bolshevism. Ain’t that right, Timmy?
“And Kevin as usual, ignores that aspect of my analysis too (the anti-Zionist part) thereby assuming in his post that I support the ethno-state of Israel, when any reading of the very email exchange he claims is so illuminating, indicated clearly that I do not…”
Here’s the thing, Timmy, if you take the bait and start writing more anti-Zionist screeds in addition to your usual screeds, we win. And if you don’t, we can continue to hit you with the Judeo-hypocrisy mallet, and we still win. What’s it going to be, Timmy?
Re Tim Wise’s comment: Mark Green acknowleded in his article and I wrote in my post that you are more intellectually consistent on Israel than the vast majority of Jews. You have to see it from my point of view too. As I said in my post, I have been viciously attacked by Jews who will make a big deal about any hint of ethnocentrism on my part. But these same people think they are absolved from doing anything about Israel except perhaps some mild disagreement. And then they continue to pursue what I think is accurately seen as an ethnic strategy on their part in the US by opposing the legitimate interests of White Americans, promoting mass immigration, etc. They are completely blind to their own ethnocentrism and completely intolerant of mine. Of course, the organized Jewish community is far worse than either you or the professors I deal with. The organized Jewish community like the ADL tolerates and rationalizes absolutely everything Israel does, from ethnic cleansing to apartheid, while screaming racism at Whites who have the least bit of ethnic identity and pursuing policies that are rather obviously opposed to their legitimate ethnic interests. It’s maddening. And by pursuing the same policies in the US that the ADL does, there is a strong suspicion that you are simply just like other Jews in pursuing your ethnic interests in the US, whether consciously or unconsciously.
Darren says:
So wait, Chomsky supporting free speech for a holocaust denier makes Chomsky “anti-Jewish”? LMAO. Keep those gems coming!
Jews aren’t exactly known for being for free speech, so yeah Chuckles, that’s right.
Finrod/Fabricius says:
Adam, I’m not a hysterical anti-semite. (and look who’s talking.)
Hysterical anti-semites accuse others of being Jews without proof. That’s a sign of low intelligence that’s pretty common around here, but I’ve never done it.
Your passage confirms exactly what I said. He MAY be biologically half Jewish.
He seems convinced of it. He also brags about being pro-semitic.
Religiously, he is from a Catholic background.
Since when is that the test?
Steve Sailer has been objective about Jewish issues at times, but believe me, he spends the other 99% of the time apologizing for it!
On the other hand, his writing style is in a very smarmy, Jewish vein. At first, I presumed that he was Jewish, until he claimed a Catholic background.
It doesn’t say much for whites that so many making the arguments of those on the racial right are of Jewish ancestry. Can’t whites even make their own case without Jews? Pathetic. A few more I forgot: Richard Herrnstein, of The Bell Curve fame, and IQ maven Arthur Jensen. And if I’ve mentioned Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein, I should also not forget to mention Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, and Mordechai Vanunu.
Sorry Tim, but you fail to address Kevin Macdonald’s basic argument:
They didn’t feel any need to oppose Israeli racism with the same energy and intensity as they oppose any manifestation of White ethnocentrism.
This is true notwithstanding a few obscure essays on your website.
As for your comment that you have not enjoyed “Jewish privilege” but have benefitted from “white privilege” who do you think you are kidding?
Most of the inexperienced, naive, and powerless whites you speak to have never discriminated against anybody in their entire life and have only experienced anti-white discrimination. Yet you have the mendacious chutzpah to expect the white to feel guilty about being white and to embrace anti-white discrimination.
If you want to fight racism, start with your own privileged and fiercely ethnocentric tribe. Why not talk about affirmative action to increase the representation of white gentiles in Jewish ethnopolies like high finance, entertainment, and media?
Fabricius says:
Bravo Tim Wise,
I felt they were trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill with these emails. I felt your position was completely consistent.
Bravo?!? By that measure, you must also be a big fan of Noel Ignatiev, the racetraitor.org Jew who openly calls for the destruction of the white race. He’s also got an essay or two on his site opposing Zionism, just for consistency’s sake.
I think KM’s point, which I agree with, is that neither of these guys put one tenth the energy into denouncing their fellow Jews that they do denouncing white people. But then, there’s probably no money in that sort of thing. With their typical lack of racial cohesion, white people actually like to be denounced. Tim Wise makes a nice living going around doing just that. Jews, by contrast, would never pay to hear themselves denounced. They’re just not as meshuggah as whites. Right, Tim?
Hi friends. For the record: I am NOT Jewish. The photo of Mark Green (above) holding the gay flag is the well-known Mark Green who ran (unsuccessfully) for both the Senate and as Mayor of NY. He’s a Liberal Jew that appeared regularly on WF Buckley’s ‘Firing Line’ TV show throughout the 90′s. You can see me interviewing Kevin MacDonald (and others) on TV at my web site: http://www.persecutionprivilegeandpower.com
As for Tim Wise being an “anti-Zionist Jew”, what are we supposed to make of that claim? Does Wise support an embargo against Israel?–or just reduced military aid? If it’s the latter, he’s still blowing smoke. As for the Zionist Entity, Israel’s leadership is comprised of Jewish supremacists, sabatours, manipulators and war criminals, half of whom spend far too much time in NY, LA and Washington. They and their US-based cronies are basically running the Empire. Any genuine ‘anti-Zionist’ must be willing to dismantle the Jewish state by radical means. I don’t see ‘anti-racist’ Wise joining that crusade as he’s hopelessly compromised by his ethnic loyalties.
Too bad, Tim. You fail the race test.
wise claims he was bullied by christians (therefore, he can attack them as a group and attack their beliefs) I don’t believe his claim either – Activist jews are consistent liars about this- its almost a ritual to include this or ‘i always felt left out at christmas’ during some lawsuit to remove christmas trees. -
But if that’s case, if I was bullied by Jews – do I have a right to dislike them and launch a vendetta as Wise has done?
He has as much admitted he wants to destroy the core culture here so he and his ethno-kind can feel ‘more comfortable’
PS if Tim Wise and the SPLC were really objective, and had an objective set of criteria for evaluating ‘racist’ behavior, Abe Foxman, Alan Dershowitz and the whole lot of them would be much higher on their hate list than Vdare, Kevin Macdonald, ro even…drumroll… David Duke
So what if the occasional far-left Jew turns the Culture of Critique inwards? Wise is still an avowed enemy of the white race. Let him move to Israel and fight Zionism there. He doesn’t belong around us. No Jew does.
It appears to be the same Mark Green that is interviewing Dr. Macdonald here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ScVv5PukA
For the record, here’s another series of e-mails with Tim Wise from a couple of years ago. He is even more foul mouthed in these than in Mark Green’s. http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/wise.htm
The Neocons Launch A Coulterkampf
By Sam Francis
“The ultimate loyalty of liberalism is not to the concrete realities of human life—one’s people, nation, religion, community and family—but to the Great Abstractions: Equality, Peace, Tolerance, Freedom (sometimes), Progress, Diversity.
When your own country doesn’t measure up to them, loyalty to it is—well—negotiable.”
Sam was as usual Wised-up showing that Leftists, Liberals and Neo-Cons hate the same people in the same intense character assassinating way because they are just brand names of the same political position with added smoke and mirrors.
By way of deception they shall wage their war so as to attempt to monopolise the debate within their positions with no dissent allowed.
The Wise-guy is the epitome of “the very model of a modern major-”Leftist” ignoring any known history of how any people anywhere have ever behaved and by holding only one race, that of the European, to a standard of altruistic behaviour unknown in the history of mankind seek to discredit and undermine our rule and power and in the vacuum created assert and insert their own.
These policies are targeted to cripple us and are transparent transplants of 20th century Class War doctrine with Ethnic hatred (of Euros) replacing Class hatred (of the old Ruling/Capitalist) as a means to leverage the new managerial-apparatchik-alienated intellectual elite into supreme power over the old forces of conservatism (in which I would include the old blue-collar working class despite the Leftist’s attempt to identify their own interests with that of a pretended Blue-collar”representation” and fuse the two as if they were one)
It is an old Leftist trick to posit the abstract ideal as if it were a real possibility and then compare that with the reality of selfish actions which obviously characterise a large (though not the whole) part of an affluent class’s behaviour and ditto for Ethnic groups.
It’s not pretty but the falsity is in the pretense that highly controlled behaviour imposed by a monopolistic State for supposedly “good” ends with the mantra of “equality” (no matter how phony the actualite actually is!) being a favourite concept to impose the State’s power is legitimate and morally superior.
All Wise-guy has done is a 21st century Switch trick from Class to Ethnicity because Ethnic Identity is the New Class so to speak and he attempts to keep his hands clean by denying any support for anything like the dirty reality of Zionism (or its Jewish predecessor Communism).
It’s really a form of Trotskyism which tries to deny any historical responsibility for any radical Leftism mayhem and pretending thereby to be pristine whilst at the same time forever calling for a never ending “jihad” against the forces of conservatism that oppose it.
Modern Trotskyism has branched out in 2 ways since all but dropping Class War. One route is that of taking over the “Green” movement and the other is use Ethnicity as a de-legitimising force to attack the status quo in Euro societies which is the route the Wise-guy has taken.
Trotskyism is not an exact fit to describe the Wise’s of this world (how would you describe Bill Ayer’s?) but it’s about the nearest I can approximate to as regards both the sloughing off of any political responsibilities for any concrete realities anywhere (which at least real Zionists try to do) combined with demands for altruistic behaviour on an Olympic scale (which of course however much is conceded will never be enough) by Groups who would have no such intention to reciprocate.
Ridiculous posturing masquerading as moral superiority is pathetic but sadly has considerable traction in the modern world created by Tribe ideologues and their allies.
Hey, AmusedEuro,
Do you suppose Adam thinks he still has an audience? I’m betting most here have already written him off as unserious, just performing his Jew schtick.
Thank goodness for the scroll function. eh?
B, I propose we rename this forum “The Kevin MacDonald and Adam Blog” as I’m fairly certain that Adam was written more here than MacDonald has. Notice that it posts multiple times on *every single article* and nearly always hostile and/or off-topic. But his audience isn’t just us, who comment, it’s the other readers who don’t. It’s just a naked attempt to divert and demoralize.
The double standard is apparent – try acting like Adam on a liberal blog, the ADL’s site, or a Democratic party site, and you’ll be banned immediately. But white people often go out of their way to be so principled that they will allow what amounts to littering on a forum in the interests of “free speech.”
Ban him, he’ll come back under another handle and engage in the same behavior. If I was moderating this blog, I’d ban him. I’m all for reading other people’s opinions – even Jews – but why provide a platform for what is essentially disruption? We would *never* get the same considering from Jews. Also – and this is key – if we wanted to hear from anti-white Jews we could just turn on the TV or read a newspaper, it’s not like their views are being ignored or suppressed, just the opposite.
In the meantime, I simply ignore him and usually don’t even read his comments.
Since I’m already off topic – what’s going on with A3P? I want to see a campaign or something! I think it’s a good vehicle for activism and publicity; the website looks great, the political rhetoric is just so. I’m going to buy t-shirts and especially their immigration flyers, I’m sure they need money right now more than anything.
AmusedEuro said:
March 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM
“If I was moderating this blog, I’d ban him. I’m all for reading other people’s opinions – even Jews – but why provide a platform for what is essentially disruption?”
Yes, I agree.
I tried to post a comment at the $PLC’s blog a week or so ago. As you all know, comments there are moderated. My comment never appeared.
Good point, AmusedEuro. We who’ve been here awhile come to recognize Adam’s, and his ilk’s, hooey. But people who are new here, are just becoming Jew-wise, may take his bait.
You’re right. We (gulp) have to read his comments in order to counter them- precisely for the benefit of new readers.
So:
Dear Lurkers:
When the accusations that we “see a Jew behind every tree,” “we are paranoid,”or “we are low-IQ,” are flung about, please recognize it is not true.
It is just the very Jewish tactic of trying to discredit us so that our legitimate criticisms of Jewish perfidy won’t be heeded. Accusations of insanity are a common Jewish verbal deflector shield, with no basis in fact.
Tim Wise if you’re reading:
I would take you and other jewish activists much, much more seriously if you first tackled the ‘racism’ and ‘hate’ within your own communities, thus setting an example, than telling us how to behave.
We already had a little experiement with that when WASPs gave up power an passed positions that required trust (like, say the ivy league school governing boards/admissions) we have seen what Jews have done with that.
There is scarely a majority anglo-saxon white shoe law firm left- on the other hand, all jewish white shoe lawfirms are still jewish controlled. the list goes on. I at least, have learned the lesson.
You and SPLC could start with your pro israel partner, the ADL… only then will you be taken seriously by anyone except activist jews involved in the same self deceit . Whites may be scared of you, Uncle Tim but they do not believe you
Kevin M said:
“I think that Wise is better than most Jews in trying to be intellectually consistent.”
No, this guy needs to be pressed on this issue. These are his ‘consistent’ claims:
1. Wise argues one needs to start at home first:
“I believe I can have the greatest influence where I live, and believe in cleaning up my backyard first.” (Green and Wise’s exchange)
2. Wise argues that one thing that needs to be cleaned is the group bonding activities of dominant groups:
“if it is done by a dominant group: “For dominant group members to engage in racial bonding only makes sense as a way to maintain dominance. It can’t be about “getting a piece of the pie,” since such persons already have access to it, and pieces galore; rather, it has to be about preventing others from getting theirs, from taking parts of the pie to which the dominant group had come to feel entitled. It is not to seek a place at the table, but to seek to secure the table you already have from the intrusion of others. White bonding, in other words, amounts to racism because it is redundant: it amounts to having those who are already largely in control, secure that control in perpetuity.” (http://www.laprogressive.com/rankism/obama-black-voters-and-the-myth-of-reverse-racism/)
We can assume he means ethnic in addition to race, but can someone write and get a clarification. Otherwise we need to let him know we are not pro-white, if in the inclusive sense, but just pro-ancestral European.
If this isn’t just a horrible misunderstanding and he means ethne or ‘race’
in the sense of ‘volk’ and ‘raza,’ then he needs to be informed about a certain outrages group-bonding of a rather dominant group that he is rather well positioned to take care of, re: That ‘high cost of Jewish living’ and ‘Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establishment’
Unlike Kevin, I suspect this is all just a misunderstanding; and given that we needs to do our best to help this fellow towards some intellectual consistency.
“if it is done by a dominant group: “For dominant group members to engage in racial bonding only makes sense as a way to maintain dominance. It can’t be about “getting a piece of the pie,” since such persons already have access to it”
This completely ignores WHO created the pie that “others” supposedly have a divine right too. The American Pie was created by the forefathers of the majority white population, for the benefit of their progeny. This was at one time common knowledge, not the least bit controversial. It seems to be only with 60′s generation and forward wherein this viewpoint was given up wholesale.
(How North Asians must laugh as european man applauds himself as he gives away the crown jewels that his forefathers worked for, fought for, built, and created!! The hight of foolishness disguised as a virtue!)
The Tim Wise view of justice is the parasite’s perspective. He identifies with and nurtures the parasite, and attempts to tear down and demoralize the host culture and people. Given the current state of our culture it is the smug, self righteous and politically expedient position. Good for him, he has a career! A career as a professional destroyer!! How noble!!
By Tim’s logic any dominant group has no moral right or imperative to defend its collective group interests or heritage. Any group of people who attempt to create a community of common values/culture/race have no right to defend their interests if they are “dominant” over a specific geographic territory. Any Other group with opposing interests is free to move in, destroy the existing society, and “stake their claim” to the “pie” that has been created by the original inhabitants THIS is Justice????
What a perverse, ahistorical perspective. It is the psychology and morality of a loser/future victim. Tim, as a pied piper of this ideology is a destructive and immoral force acting on European Americans. He is the symptom of a spiritual virus that is not only psychologically preparing our people to be victimized, but also to accept that victimization as their rightful fate. (We are currently expected to clap and cheer as we are systematically discriminated against in employment… What will we be asked to “cheer” for next? What will it be Tim? How exactly do they intend to scale up this victimization as we are increasingly displaced?)
Is Tim a sincere believer in the utopian ideology he preaches, or does he have a malicious intent? The question is meaningless as we are not mind readers. Such considerations are a waste of time. Tim, such as he is, is a symptom of the disease, and not the disease itself.
My suggestion is to ignore the Tim Wise’s of the world. There will come a point were viewpoints such as his will be openly mocked and ridiculed as the lies that they are. The god of the copybook headings will see to it.
Tiny Timmy Wise hates White people because he blames them for the fact that he’s a diminutive Jew (G_d’s chosen offal).
Don’t underestimate the influence of childhood trauma.
A personal story:
It’s the late 1970s. I was about 13 entering a NYC middle school. A white Christian kid with an unusual surname having moved to the city from upstate NY. The school itself was about half black, assorted thuggish white ethnics, and numerous Asians as well as blacks with puerto ricans making up the rest. It was a horror story of pretty much relentless bullying on the bus, in gymn, even by so called teachers. And who was the worst? Not the blacks. No. Not by far. It was the white kids with Italian and Polish surnames. They were by far the meanest and most vicious. While we may have been genetically more closely related, I could feel nothing but contempt and hate for most of them.
It was a quiet, and very kind Jewish kid who first befriended me. I always remember that when I read about Jewish activism and ethnocentrism. I think that they genuinely do feel compassion for the outsider. It is not some ploy or tactic, at least not on the individual level.
So, while I agree with KM, that they have a huge blind spot with regard to their own tribe’s shortcomings, it is equally true of almost any other people. Their outsized power and influence (coupled with their historical grievances) make them currently more dangerous than most, but I genuinely believe they are not by nature more vicious than most.
I know that some will argue that my childhood middle school experience is nothing upon which to base judgments. Still, I can’t help reflecting on the deep psychological roots of not only their activism but their whole world outlook. Also, things change. People including whole groups change. There may be hope yet.
After reading the email exchange and what Tim Wise had to say about Israel, it seemed a bit odd that Mark Green had chosen Wise to make the point about Jewish hypocrisy (regarding Israel). Probably 90% of other Jews would have been better targets – although I don’t doubt that Wise’s outrage and work against South Africa is not matched by same against Israel. The rest of Wise’s political activism can be described, at best, as paving the road to hell with good intentions. Speaking of Hell, Mr. Wise shouldn’t be too sensitive about school-yard taunts about going there for being a Jew. I recall the same taunts between Catholics and Protestants – most of them eventually became grown-ups.
promoetheous : love your posts!
I have thought about this too. no sense aruging with organized jewery- no sense arguing with tim wise.
Better strategy – start convincing those ‘christian zionists’ or on the left, human rights activists, or the whites who think they are radical following noam chomsky, of the real evil and who’s behind it.
How North Asians must laugh as european man applauds himself as he gives away the crown jewels that his forefathers worked for
they and every other minority in the US now know how to ‘work’ whites…
most of them eventually became grown-ups.
Look at the seething anger and illogic of Wise, trashing Macdonald:
But leave it to a tenured professor like kevin to miss all that in the service of his Nazi bullshit (and yes kev, that’s what you get called when you start consorting with skinheads, which is your current shtick–yes the yiddish is just for you bubbie)
Do we really believe these jewish ‘human rights activists’ are sincere? Can you think of any gentile sincere humanitarian who behaves as jews do? Did mother theresa? did desmond tutu? do secular ones ? Do they have this seething, vicious hatred of all humanity? No. Only jewish ‘humitarians’ behave like this.
Prometheus said:
“My suggestion is to ignore the Tim Wise’s of the world. There will come a point were viewpoints such as his will be openly mocked and ridiculed as the lies that they are. The god of the copybook headings will see to it.”
I disagree. Showing that Tim and others are not White guys who are making confessions about the sins of fellow whites, but rather resentful Jewish guys who are trying to deconstruct Christian-Europeans, is rather important; it discredits their critique, and diminishes the effectiveness of them, both to other Christian-Europeans and to non-Europeans. Everyone knows that there is a difference between an accusation and a confession — One reason the cultural critique is so effective is because it is coming from inside, as such it acts as a confession of sins.
In light of that (doubly speaking) it is important to point out what the philosemetic L. Jewish convert Auster stated in his discussion to Paul Gottfried:
“What distinguishes Jewish liberalism from Protestant liberalism is the following: Jewish liberals see white Christians as guilty. The Jews feel OK about themselves, they think the white gentile majority is the problem. By contrast, white Protestant liberals feel guilty about themselves. This leaves them without a confident group selfhood. They believe only in equality, only in their own guilt for somehow standing in the way of equality. It is this lack of collective and even individual selfhood, this inner nothingness, this willingness to be destroyed, that makes the white Protestants the true liberals. The Jews, whose collective and individual psyche is not guilty under liberalism (since in the liberal world view Jews are victims and the champions of victims), have psychological power and self-confidence and thus are not true liberals.”
“I disagree. Showing that Tim and others are not White guys who are making confessions about the sins of fellow whites, but rather resentful Jewish guys who are trying to deconstruct Christian-Europeans, is rather important”
Very good point, but a word of caution:
The Wise’s of the world are masters of exploiting european man’s current biases and weaknesses. (The ones relentlessly pounded in by the school system and the MSM.) We must never be suckered into debating for its own sake. EVER. Such debate is a tool of distraction.
We must be cautious about using debate for our purpose. How such debate appears to spectators who (do to cultural programming) are very likely to approach any such debate on Tim’s side is difficult to predict for all but the most skillful of our people. To succeed at something like this against a person like Wise (who is fairly sophisticated, as shaming whites is his profession) for the benefit of an unawakened audience requires an intent and ability that should not be taken lightly.
I say this: Do not debate, just expose.
Our people naturally seek self esteem. We want to benefit from the sacrifice and inheritance of our grandparents and our forefathers, as is our birthright, nothing more, nothing less. If it is taken from us, then it has been STOLEN. We seek to rightfully benefit from the vast cultural, material, and spiritual inheritance of european man in the nations CREATED by our forefathers. The nations BUILT by the values that we currently hold. We want to feel good, feel proud! Of the heritage and values that made this nation great, that made our people great. Our forefathers carved a nation out of the wilderness! If we want these things, we must LIVE UP to them.
TO the PARASITES who say,
“How dare you! You must feel guilty for your privilege! You must give it away to those who’s forefathers, whose race, who’s culture has left them nothing but an empty chasm!”
I say this: Yes, as a European American we have been given a vast cultural, spiritual, and material inheritance. It is something that many of us (European Americans) experience as a vast spiritual honor, for it is reflective of our heritage and our way of life. And we are DAMN PROUD of it! Our forefathers were great, heroic, men, men who sacrificed to build what they built. They were the CREATORS of the vast wealth, the vast nation that parasites such as you represent currently seek to destroy. Our grandparents were great, heroic people who rebuilt this nation after a disaster. We are PROUD of what our forefathers have bestowed upon us! Privileged? In this nation that OUR forefathers left to us? That OUR people, sweat, created, bled, and died for? I sure hope so! And so does the mighty spirit of those great European Men who came before us, who’s memory that the self-serving swine have so badly tarnished in the nation where they (the swine) have built almost NOTHING.
Debate? Don’t waste your breath.
Individual exceptions aside, Jews hate white, middle-class, christian Americans mortally. Part of it is that innate, genetically-fixed Chosen People archetype: the contempt of the Master Race for the “stupid goyim”. And part is experiential, the 3,000 year-long Dance of Death between parasitic Jewry and host-nation or civilization, an eternal cycle of massacre and counter-massacre, oppression and revolution…of which the Jews see only one side. Theirs. None of this is ultimately resolvable through argument or analysis. Matters have now reached the point where the Jews will RULE ALL, via globalization or, via localization, be rendered harmless.
Tim Wise never, ever, actually criticizes Jews or Israel. Read the statements he’s made. Then try and find real threats he’s received from Zionists, not the wink and a nod play acting we see so often with the tribe, whether it’s feigned outrage over Bernie Madoff or their “concern” with white racism against non-whites. Wise spends so much time trying to counter everything said about him on the net that it’s likely his behind the scenes support, the people who got him going, the organizations who supplied the cash and publicity, are firing off most of the posts and signing little Timmy’s name to them. Giving him more time to go out and collect shekels as he attempts to rile up non-whites against whites, hoping like hell this will make them allies with the tribe when the self-chosen finally take of the masks and go in for the kill against whitey. It ain’t gonna work Tim. Too many whites know you’re full of nothing but steaming semitic excrement and lies. They just don’t says so. Yet.
As for “Chubby”, I’ve read the same/similar story several times on other sites. I’m not impressed and don’t believe much of it. Having gone to schools in Los Angeles where whites were never more than 20% of the student body, I can’t say I saw many whites carrying on as savagely as the ‘dark’ kids, no whites being bullies at levels that rivaled the blacks and browns. Period. The few Irish and Italians were much tougher than the other whites, including the E. Europeans. They would simply punch non-whites the second they began talking trash. The Jews? Noticeably sneaky even to other teens, with concerns and interests that seemed utterly fake, designed to draw favorable reaction from moronic, marxist brainwashed teachers. The Jews also made the most racist remarks about blacks and Mexicans when around whites, but would kiss tail on the same two groups and try to horn in on any school functions designed to boost the already orbital self-esteem of these groups. They’re for the underdog? The outsider? They’re only for themselves. Look at Tim Wise.
I think we are too much focused on the Zionist issue.
The fact is that many Jewish leftists (like Wise, Noel Ignatiev, George Soros, Ronnie Kasrils, Joe Slovo etc.) are not Zionists. But they are hostile to Europeans maybe even more than the Zionists.
Local newpaper printed a story about jewish Grant Gochin(USA, LA) – he wants to restore local citizenship because his grandfather had one.
Gochin says:
Although jews made only 2% of _white_ population, they constituted 50% of those struggling against apartheid in South Africa
Freddie_turnill says:
March 8, 2010 at 11:45 AM
An excellent post that I recommend everyone read.
It is very similar to many of the things I’ve said.
No, that doesn’t mean that I think he took his ideas from mine (though that sort of thing certainly does happen). Rather, it’s an example of a cultural convergence, ie; when two people unknown to each other hold similar thoughts. This of course is merely the response to the cultural pressures we’re all feeling and experiencing today.
In any event, it’s an excellent post. I commend the writer and encourage all readers to check it out.
Focusing on a front-man like Tim Wise is misleading.
The real racist haters are men like Pele and Rahm Emmanuel
who are rabid Zionists. Jews like them crucified Christ
(see the book Jesus in the Talmud by a Princeton Jewish
professor) and are “crucifying” European gentiles now.
We may not end up on the Cross literally but will become
demonized wage slaves working for Indian or Chinese
wages. European gentiles have become cowering,
often self-hating sheep. Our children, the terminal generation, are not
reproducing and indulge in perverted, degenerate behavior
glorified by the Jew-dominated media.
But you miss the fundamental point:Tim Wise is a vicious racist because he wants to bring about the complete race-replacement of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS through post-1965 LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANs must put the Tim Wises’of this workd on the hot seat of racism. It s not NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS who must defend themselves agaisnt the racism charge…rather…it the Tim Wises’ and post-1965 hispanics,asians,muslims and africans who must now defend themselves against the racism charge
It never ceases to amaze how our best fighters,Brimelow,Mcdonald and Taylor let the race-replacment enhusiasts get away with defining the terms of the debate. Immigration enthusiasts must now be called race-replacement enhusiasts.
The moral of the story:make the race-replacement enthusiasts-interchangeable with immigration enthusiasts- defend themselves against the charge of racism from the beginning of the “debate” to the end of the debate.
Define the terms of the debate completely in terms of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN racial interests. Why should NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS be in favor of their race-replacement at the hands of post-1965 non-foreigners and their “american” geneline? What’s in it for NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS.
If the JEW Tim Wise can’t give NATIVE BORN WHITE CRISTIAN AMERICANS a good reason as to why they should be in favor of their race-replacement..he loses the debate
Ther is no economic argument for race-relplacement..there is no ecological for race-replacement…there is demographic argument for race-replacement…yet the race-replacement enthusiasts demand that NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS commit racial suicide within the borders of AMERICA. WE are under no obligation to do this. Simple concepts repeated over and over again…that’s all you have to do in a public debate.
Beware of secession enthusiasts. I want a very big ocean between OUR AMERICA and china.
Arthur Jensen is half jewish – supposedly. His partial “jewishness” only came up once he began to experience the usual attacks put forth by jews who don’t want whites to see facts regarding low black and hispanic average IQ levels. Sailer probably “guesses” he’s half jewish to try and fend off criticism from the world’s biggest hypocrites. This type of thing reminds me of all the gentiles that jews have tried to claim were jews in various fields, like Alexander Fleming (Scots) whom jews have many times tried to claim was a jew on different forums(and in two different college classes I was in) when trying to give jews credit for every medical discovery worth a damn. This happens in physics, mathematics, chemistry, literature, etc. You can spot the jews trolling as they have to try and bring up jews being the only element of the “other side” with brains. Part of jewish jealousy and hypocrisy. Part of their lies. Look at how many of the trolls claim to be students at unnamed top tier Midwestern Law Schools or pre-med students or what have you. They sure seem to have a lot of time on their hands. Think about it.
All people need to do with Tim Wise is keep pointing out his hypocrisy. Same goes for Abe Foxman and crew. None of our enemies is able to remain consistent, hold their ground when held to facts and when called intolerant racists. Simply throw their terms back at them. All they can do is twist their lies, their theories in attempts to put their fingers in every hold springing through the dike. It isn’t working.
As has been pointed out a lot of times, that below the surface doubt and fear is why they’re here. They’re nervous and scared on one level. It’s just their own cognitive make-up won’t allow them to see it. It’s better to look at them as truly something alien, as for the most part they seem to be a race of sociopaths anyway. At least when dealing with anyone but their own.
The fact is that many Jewish leftists (like Wise, Noel Ignatiev, George Soros, Ronnie Kasrils, Joe Slovo etc.) are not Zionists. But they are hostile to Europeans maybe even more than the Zionists.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Ha ha! :D
Tactically it is foolish to raise the issue of racial differences in intelligence. It is completetly irrelevant to the issue of the complete race-replacement of the NATIVE BORN WHITE MAORITY. Make it an issue and you will sidetrack the debate into a mind numbing discussion of psychometrics…..the race-replacement issue will be completetly sidetraked.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN parents have no interest in listening to a White Nationalist lecturing them about the intellectual “superiority” of asians. It angers every time Jared Taylor does this in public.They also, don’t want their children academically tracked on the basis of IQ tests.
The race and IQ stuff is the achilles heel of the White Nationalist movement.
Eventually they will come up against a phlosoper of science with a phd in biology or a phd in biology-Sean Carrol the biologist not the cosmologist-who knows the both the science and biology much better than public White Nationalist. The White Nationalst will be completetly destroyed in debate. Unfortunately too many White Nationalist have a religious beleif in the Murray-Hernstien which is statistically quite weak.
Talking about IQ might be tactically foolish under certain circumstances, but it’s certainly relevant in the large.
If Blacks and Hispanics were smart enough to run a high-tech society and to rationally participate in its democratic processes without harming national interests (as opposed to their own short-term ethnic interests), then they could make a pretty good case for being here…not an iron-clad case, to be sure, but they could at least claim to be productive in a way that could enrich the national commons. The fact that they can’t function on that level means that they have no such case, and neither we nor they should be allowed to forget it.
As far as concerns the “science and biology” of intelligence, racial differences in mean IQ are open and shut. In the final analysis, Blacks and Hispanics simply don’t score anywhere near as high as Whites or Asians, and that’s carved in stone; furthermore, with an IQ heritability of around .75, we know that’s not going to change unless we continue to allow these inferior groups to interbreed with us at our genetic expense. Natural selection exacted a very steep price from the White race for its IQ advantage; giving this advantage away to racial inferiors who have been trained to hate our guts, and want to see us exterminated, would be the worst kind of group idiocy.
The most that a critic could do is question the definition of intelligence, and the degree to which IQ actually measures it. But in that event, he or she will still have a very hard time finding concrete evidence for high Black and Hispanic intelligence, for the simple and undeniable reason that there exists no highly civilized, intelligently run Black or Mestizo culture on the entire planet.
“…Sailer probably “guesses” he’s half jewish to try and fend off criticism from the world’s biggest hypocrites. This type of thing reminds me of all the gentiles that jews have tried to claim were jews in various fields, like Alexander Fleming (Scots) whom jews have many times tried to claim was a jew on different forums(and in two different college classes I was in) when trying to give jews credit for every medical discovery worth a damn. This happens in physics, mathematics, chemistry, literature, etc. You can spot the jews trolling as they have to try and bring up jews being the only element of the “other side” with brains. Part of jewish jealousy and hypocrisy. …” — 50 50 bars maybe
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Very interesting.
I think Alex Kurtagic sums this all up rather well -
“…Sailer probably “guesses” he’s half jewish to try and fend off criticism from the world’s biggest hypocrites. This type of thing reminds me of all the gentiles that jews have tried to claim were jews in various fields, like Alexander Fleming (Scots) whom jews have many times tried to claim was a jew on different forums(and in two different college classes I was in) when trying to give jews credit for every medical discovery worth a damn. This happens in physics, mathematics, chemistry, literature, etc. You can spot the jews trolling as they have to try and bring up jews being the only element of the “other side” with brains. Part of jewish jealousy and hypocrisy. …” — 50 50 bars maybe
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I think Alex Kurtagic sums this all up rather well -
As does Tom Sunic -
I knew someone was going ro make a post like yours. There are authentic anti-replacers-White Nationlaists and fake anti-replacers.
Your post is an example of why for the past three years that I have here and other places-American Renassaince,Majority Rights and Sailer I have gone after the members of the Murray Hernstien society quite viciouslt, I see where it ultimatetly leads to.
Even if the assumption was made that every mexican who crosses the border had an !Q of 150, the case against replacement remains strongly intact.
These days,parasite Bill Gates justifies massively increasing asian LEGAL immigration because in his words “they are smarter than White Americans” I have been in local debates on the immigration issue. The immigration enhusiast will eventually say something along the lines:we need asian engineers because they are smarter than White engineers”. On one ocasion an American of Italian ancestry, rose up with viens poping out of his neck to challenge this nonesense.
The fundamental issue is the race-repleacement of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS at the hands at post-1965 asians,hispanics,muslims and africans…whatever their intelligence level.
Raising the the issue if racial difference sin IQ will always sidetrack a MSM “debate: about this. I have seen this happen on several occasions. Race-replacement is what NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS are concerned about and the corresponding economic marginalization and ecological destruction that will comes with race-replacement. Talk about this and they will connect with it.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS are not interested in being told by Peter Brimelow,Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor that they are less intelligent than the predatory asian LEGAL IMMIGRATIONS who are flooding into OUR AMERICA.
Check out Rob Sanchez’s new post on vdare.com. It seems that Roy Beck wants to import nonwhite foreigners from India who are willing to pay $$$$ money to start business and hire Americans.What this basically means is that numbersusa.com is in favor of letting into OUR AMERICA predatory hindus who will start a hindu owned business and hire hindu “Americans”. And from there politically organize around hindu racial interests and add to thesize of the rapidly growing hindu PACS who already own over 150 members of the “US” congress.
This is what you get when you set yourself up as the “resonable” organization on immigration reform..otherwise the fornicating traitors in the senate and congress wont talk to us.
I hope amnesty is passed. If amnesty is passed, it will hastetn the onsett of the long overdue race with the hindus and pakis. It is the only thing that will wake White Americans . It is now one minute before midnight for White Americans in the nation they founded. Pass amnesty…start the race war.
Jupiter complains that my last post is “an example of why for the past three years that I have here and other places-American Renassaince,Majority Rights and Sailer I have gone after the members of the Murray Hernstien society quite viciouslt, I see where it ultimatetly leads to … Even if the assumption was made that every mexican who crosses the border had an !Q of 150, the case against replacement remains strongly intact.”
Let’s make sure that we’re not missing the point here. I agree that even if every Mexican had an IQ of 150, Whites would still be the rightful owners of America. However, there are reasons for this that some people may not have adequately considered.
First, except for a little dirt work, Whites built America. It was White brainpower that was wholly responsible. Regardless of average White IQ, which is a bit lower than average East Asian IQ, our race has a knack for generating real geniuses (as opposed to mere high-IQ whiz kids, who may or may not have what it takes to change the world for the better). This is either a hidden aspect of IQ variance, e.g., marked rightward shifts of the Bell curve for certain small and possibly evanescent subpopulations of Whites, and/or it points to hidden factors of productive intelligence not reflected in IQ alone, e.g., sets of favorable personality traits.
However, IQ is still likely to be highly relevant to the maintenance and advancement of high-tech society. The fact that Mexico’s average IQ is well in line with the sort of country that Mexico has always been is entirely consistent with the idea that IQ correlates with productive intelligence. True, if the backward, oligarch-parasitized, dead-end nation that is Mexico had an average IQ of 150, this would be proof positive that IQ is utterly meaningless as a measure of intelligence. But that’s not what we see.
On the other hand, the Asian IQ advantage, such as it may be, does not correlate with Western-style high-tech civilization. We thus see that the IQ concept suffers a certain amount of predictive weakness; it is a great predictor of academic success, but for some reason, this need not carry over to social productivity. This could mean that Asians may be deficient in creativity, and that this is enough to render their slight IQ advantage meaningless in terms of their level of civilization. Or it could mean something else.
But in any event, the bottom line is that while Whites are justified in resting on the unparalleled achievements of their civilization, the IQ concept is still of use in explaining why massive immigration by other groups is antithetical to the maintenance and future advancement of that civilization. IQ, being a limiting factor with respect to high-tech civilization rather than a perfect predictor thereof, still affords a partial explanation of why low-IQ populations like those of Africa and Mexico don’t belong here and never will.
Surrender this explanation, and any contention that Whites own America “because we were here first” is rendered all but defenseless from hostile sophists educationally steeped in the Culture of Critique.
By the way, speaking of low-IQ immigrants morally and intellectually incapable of productive participation in the maintenance and extension of advanced high-tech American society…
Congratulations, America! Here’s today’s triumphant headline:
“America nears ‘tipping point’ where babies born to minority parents outnumber whites for first time!”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257110/America-nears-tipping-point-babies-born-minority-parents-outnumber-whites-time.html#ixzz0htyD46gR
The article makes it clear that over this coming year, more “minority” children will be born in the US than White children. Oh, joy!
Of course, we owe it all to kindly Abe Finkelstein and his kosher nostra relatives, who have done this to White Euro-Americans in return for our bailing them out of their last self-created tight spot (in WWII Germany) and then passively forking over to them the lion’s share of US wealth and power in gratitude for the opportunity to serve them.
What fine and gracious friends Abe and his cockroach relatives have turned out to be!
One might suppose that this is the beginning of the end, except that it’s far more advanced than that. It’s going to be uphill all the way from here for us in even the best-case scenario, and we haven’t even begun to clean the treasonous garbage out of DC yet. It’s now a dead cinch that we won’t make it to anywhere near 2050 as a majority.
Unfortunately, we can’t say that we weren’t warned, can we.
God save America, for only He can do it now.
(Sorry to repeat this post, but it’s quite a milestone, don’t you think?)
eurodele
You and everyone else resiting race-replacement:we are not in a debate with our enemy these days. We are issuing a threat to them. There is no debate. What WE are saying to them this:We will resist race-replacement. What are you going to do about it. Do you really want to mess with US. The race-replacement of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS is not a debateble issue.
So many good comments in this thread! Here are just a few out of dozens:
Jeff,
You must have another of your headaches, if this outpouring of verbally disabled hysteria is an indication of the intellectual power of the vanguard of European pride movement. No wonder so much talk of IQ, you protest too much.
Look, its just a fact, while white people were rolling around in the disease ridden caves of who knows where, asians, south american indians, asian indians, and those creepy semites were far advanced in every aspect of culture and civilization. I mean talk about hypocrisy, which ethnic group brought the world monotheism and Josh the Messiah. But then of course, you would have to actually have to read difficult history books and get all mixed up again.
Mark Green
Don’t worry I didn’t fall for little Adams’s trick of posting a ‘Mark Green” picture holding a gay pride flag.
Poor Adam must be lonely in his dorm room.
As for this creature above
Yes. We were “rolling around in disease ridden caves”
OK. Sure
You are projecting my friend.
Your disease ridden ghettos in which you were placed for Centuries still bothering you I guess
I will give it to Wise that he’s the only “anti-racist”, at least that I know of, that is willing on a regular basis to come to the debate table with the “other side”.
On the other hand, he is very disingenuous, and the things he says, especially when it comes to genetics and other hard sciences where he’s got absolutely no idea what he’s talking about (but thinks he does), are easily falsifiable if you take even a half-hour to actually research his claims. But he knows that most of his audiences won’t bother.
Ultimately, I fault this culture for creating both him and others like him. He would have gone nowhere had the venues not already been there waiting for him, including most importantly a Western youth that seems to have lost all belief in itself, and is thus willing to listen to him and applaud him even as he says things that are outright self-contradictory in an attempt to get them to act against their own self interest and that of their families.
That’s why unlike most here I don’t see him as part of a “Jewish Conspiracy”, because I see him as a symptom of Western decadence, not a cause.
I can remember once hearing him calling captainchaos
Oops, accidentally hit “submit” when I didn’t mean to.
Anyhow, what I meant to say was that I can remember poking my nose into an anti-racist blog and seeing him accusing a poster named “captainchaos” of “pseudo scientific rubbish”, while claiming that microsatellite DNA is “junk DNA” that “does not code for anything”, claiming “any geneticist can tell you this”, and then calling for “captainchaos” to be banned from commenting on the blog.
I was laughing pretty hard upon reading it though because, although I respect the rights of blog owners to decide who can and cannot comment on their blogs, It’s pretty obvious why Wise wanted the blog owner to silence this “captainchaos”: Microsatellite DNA, although once classified as “junk DNA”, is nothing of the sort, and in fact “junk DNA” is a complete misnomer invented in the early 1970′s when folks didn’t know any better, and no geneticist today in 2010 actually believes that so-called “junk DNA” is junk, and in fact geneticists have been pretty clear that it isn’t for quite some time now.
Although microsatellites and other so-called “junk DNA” do not code for proteins, they are a factor in the regulation of gene expression of the DNA that does code for proteins, so indeed they can influence things like behavior, and in fact microsatellites have already been shown to do so in prairie voles. I think it’s only a matter of time before these results are replicated in humans.
So not only will “any geneticist” not confirm the sorts of statements about microsatellites and other so-called “junk DNA” that Wise does, no geneticist will confirm such statements.
This shows Wise to be the pseudoscientist he accused captainchaos of being.
Anyhow, regarding the debate as to whether folks should respond to him as Dr. MacDonald has done here or just go on to something else, on a website like Occidental Observer, I would spend maybe two articles debunking him, and then move on. He does give a lot of speeches to impressionable college students, and I’m of the opinion that if even one of those students is willing to set thirty minutes aside to fact-check on the internet, then it’s worth writing some articles about it so that one can find them with a web search. But after you’ve written two articles, and I don’t mean two articles per author here, I mean two articles per major website like this one, over all authors, then that’s the max, and after that you don’t spend any more time on him, because then you need to move on to other things rather than get wrapped up with him.
Emailing him as this Tom Green guy has done, I wouldn’t bother with at all. There you’re doing nothing but wasting your time.