Kevin MacDonald: Translation of Solzhenitsyn's "In the Camps of GULag" — Chapter 20 of "200 Years Together"

Kevin MacDonald: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s important 200 Years Together has unfortunately not been translated into English. However, this process is now beginning with the posting of Chapter 20, “In the Camps of GULag.” As the title suggests, the chapter discusses the role of Jews in the Gulag. There are several important themes.

Despite apologetic claims by Jews, in fact Jews lived better in the camps. Obviously, it’s a touchy subject–just like everything else about the role of Jews in the Soviet Union.

If I wished to generalize and state that the life of Jews in camps was especially difficult, then I would be allowed to do so and wouldn’t be peppered with admonitions for unjust ethnic generalizations. But in the camps, where I was imprisoned, it was the other way around – the life of Jews, to the extent of possible generalization, was easier.

Jews also looked out for each other–yet another example of ethnic networking. Free Jews were often in positions of authority and they favored their own people. For example:

A Lett Ane Bernstein, one of my witnesses from Archipelago, thinks that he managed to survive in the camps only because in times of hardship he asked Jews for help and that the Jews, judging by his last name and nimble manners, mistook him for their tribesman – and always provided assistance. He says that in all his camps Jews always constituted the upper crust and that the most important free employees were also Jews (Shulman – head of special department, Greenberg – head of camp station, Kegels – chief mechanic of the factory), and, according to his recollections, they also preferred to select Jewish inmates to staff their units.

The few Jews who did share in the common labor did so out of principle–in order to avoid the stereotype of Jews who did not work. They were rewarded for their efforts by being rejected by “both sides” — indicating that everyone in the camps was aware of the ethnic divide–just as American prisons are organized along ethnic fault lines. But Solzhenitsyn optimistically describes Jews who countered the common tendencies: “I try not to overlook such examples, because all my hopes depend on them.”

Nevertheless, the resentment and hatred of the Jewish position in the camps was real. Solzhenitsyn realizes that all humans are prone to these tendencies, but he also understands that the ethnic divide exacerbated the “heavy resentment”:

When an alien emerges as a “master over life and death” – it further adds to the heavy resentment. It might appear strange – isn’t it all the same for a worthless negligable, crushed, and doomed camp dweller surviving at one of his dying stages – isn’t it all the same who exactly seized the power inside the camp and celebrates crow’s picnics over his trench-grave? As it turns out – it is not, it has etched into my memory inerasably.

The Russians did not show ethnic networking and accordingly suffered. Notice that he sees the mass murder involved in collectivization as a personal loss to his ethnic group.

Those who know about terrific Jewish mutual supportiveness (especially exacerbated by mass deaths of Jews under Hitler) would understand that a free Jewish boss simply could not indifferently watch Jewish prisoners flounder in starvation and die – and not to help. But I am unable to imagine a free Russian employee who would save and promote his fellow Russian prisoners to the privileged positions only because of their nationality, though we have lost 15 millions during collectivization: we are numerous, you can’t care about everyone, and nobody would even think about it.

The White Sea canal, completed in 1933, has gone down in history as a particularly brutal forced labor project in which thousands of workers died. Solzhenitsyn points out that all six of the people in charge of the project were Jews:

Genrikh Yagoda, head of NKVD.

Matvei Berman, head of GULag.

Semen Firin, commander of BelBaltlag (by that time he was already the commander of Dmitlag, where the story will later repeat itself).

Lazar Kogan, head of construction (later he will serve the same function at Volgocanal).

Jacob Rapoport, deputy head of construction.

Naftaly Frenkel, chief manager of the labor force of Belomorstroi (and the evil daemon of the whole Archipelago)

Solzhenitsyn’s observations fit well with the findings of historians like Yuri Slezkine showing that Jews were a political and cultural elite in the Soviet Union. Slezkine draws special attention to Jews as Stalin’s “willing executioners” supervising the greatest crimes of the 20th century.

Throughout the chapter Solzhenitsyn’s brutal honesty shines through. He bends over backward to give examples of Jews who behaved in ways contrary to the general tendencies he and others observed. Nevertheless, he recounts how he was often accused of anti-Semitism simply for recording his observations. It’s okay to depict an evil person as a Russian, but never identify him as a Jew.

Solzhenitsyn’s observations add to the growing evidence of the role of Jews as a hostile elite in the USSR–hostile to the native Russian population and willing to engage in the most brutal crimes against them. This translation is very important for bringing this message to the English-speaking world, if only to dispel the common representation of Jews as always and inevitably historical victims.

White Americans should think long and hard about what these observations imply for them as they become a minority in a country dominated by hostile minorities, including Jews as a hostile elite.

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91 Comments to "Kevin MacDonald: Translation of Solzhenitsyn's "In the Camps of GULag" — Chapter 20 of "200 Years Together""

  1. November 6, 2010 - 5:26 am | Permalink

    Straight to the point and written well, thank you for the info

  2. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 28, 2010 - 5:43 am | Permalink

    “In the USA there is this strange phenomenon:
    1) The Jews generally are of much higher intelligence than the general population (I always thought that centuries of pogroms eliminated the stupid);
    2) On the other hand the large majority of educated Jews are communists or at least socialists; they always vote for Democrats – especially the far left ones.
    How to explain this?”

    Read Culture of Critique by our humble host. You will find most answers there.

  3. Marc Jeric's Gravatar Marc Jeric
    June 27, 2010 - 4:43 pm | Permalink

    In the USA there is this strange phenomenon:
    1) The Jews generally are of much higher intelligence than the general population (I always thought that centuries of pogroms eliminated the stupid);
    2) On the other hand the large majority of educated Jews are communists or at least socialists; they always vote for Democrats – especially the far left ones.
    How to explain this?

  4. June 23, 2010 - 12:07 am | Permalink

    I highly recommend them to anyone interested in
    the subject of why draconian laws were put in place
    in Europe that punish questioning the official story
    of the holocaust.

  5. Hoff's Gravatar Hoff
    June 22, 2010 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    The Jews OWN census for the last century. AJC, American Jewish Committee. Jacob Schiff started AJC.

    http://www.ajcarchives.org/main.php?GroupingId=40

  6. James's Gravatar James
    June 20, 2010 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Ooops, I forgot to mention this bit of history:
    in Wikipedia I found that when Golda Meir
    went to the USSR in 1948 as Ambassador:

    “”During her brief stint there, which ended in 1949, she attended high holiday services at the synagogue in Moscow, where she was mobbed by thousands of Russian Jews chanting her name. The Israeli 10,000 shekel banknote issued in November 1984 bore a portrait of Meir on one side and the image of the crowd that turned out to cheer her in Moscow on the other.[16]”

  7. James's Gravatar James
    June 20, 2010 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    My understanding is after the Bolshevik Revolution
    the Christian churches were closed and often torn down
    especially Russian Orthodox churches; and synagogues
    were closed but not torn down . Also,Christian clergy
    were treated with great disrespect and rabbis were
    treated with respect.
    In the matter od the HOLOCAUST, I have found
    these three videos to be extremely illuminating,
    and EXCELLENT!
    I highly recommend them to anyone interested in
    the subject of why draconian laws were put in place
    in Europe that punish questioning the official story
    of the holocaust. Truth does not need such protections
    so what’s up?
    Seek and ye shall find….but don’t mention it if you
    go to Europe.
    Be sure to watch the full length videos as excerpts are similarly labeled.
    David Cole: The Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz
    62 mi on google video

    ONE THIRD OF THE HOLOCAUST [full version is 416 minutes at web address below, may not come up in simple search on google video]
    4:15:55 [4 hours 15 min]- on google video:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9174186302325317179&ei=vWseTNWgPI-GqQO61aneCg&q=Buchenwald+dumb+dumb&hl=en#docid=-1183568676926459928

    BUCHENWALD-A DUMB DUMB PORTRAYAL OF EVIL
    2:21:47 [2 hours and 21 min] on google video

  8. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    June 19, 2010 - 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for an entertaining couple of hours, Angry Jew. I laughed and I laughed and I laughed again…

    (Tell me – do you write all your own material? I’m only asking because your diatribes all seem eerily familiar to me for some reason…)

  9. June 19, 2010 - 4:51 am | Permalink

    the whole purpose of the Cold War was to arm Israel.
    If that were so, then it would have best served that purpose for the Jews controlling the USSR to step back into the shadows and arrange some anti-Semitic incidents to be

  10. Hoff's Gravatar Hoff
    June 18, 2010 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Communism is judaism.Communism is a jewih fraud. Communism is all about one thing and one thing ONLY, jews taking over the state. The highest worldly power you can get is to control the state. And that power the jews do NOT want to share with any non-jew.

    To control the state in a comminist dictatorship you MUST control the Secret Police and that the jews did in Sovjet-Russia lock, stock and barell. Search: “Stalin’s Jews” by Sever Plocker in Ynet, both jewish.

    Who controls the Secret Police IS the state and the jews was in total control of the Secret Police in Sovjet-Russia from 1917 to 1990.

    The first thing the jews did was taking the phone book and kill everybody on the list. Anyone that could afford a phone in Russia 1917 was the elite. ln the phone book the entire old russian elite was by name, adress and occupation. What the jews did was that they went to their home and took man, wife and children to the forest and shot them in the back of the head, Next a jewish family moved into the empty house. With maid and butler still there.

    What the jews did was that they exchanged the old russian elite with a New Jew Elite.

    The next thing the jews did was that they turned Russia into the jews proxy war machine, the jews private army for world conquest. 35 percent of Sovjet GNP was used on the military. Sovjet imperialism was in fact JEWish imperialism for JEWish world conquest.

    What the jews did in Russia the jews wanted to do in the whole western Europe. Hitler knew this and it was ONLY Hitler and Germaný that stopped the Moscow jews from conquering the whole wester Europe.

    The whole communist conjcept is very easy, it’s all about the jews taking over the country. Communism is an updatet quick version of the jews Talmud. That is why 99 percent of all jews are communists. But to hide what communism really is all about the Jew Karl Marx wrote a shitload of marxist mumbo-jumbo in order to cofuse the (m)asses.

    The mass killing of the entire old russian elite was pre-planned. The smear-slander words Kulak, counterrevolutionary, enemy of the state etc etc are all jewish codeword for – Enemy Of The Jews. What the jews did was that they killed off anyone that in the slightest way could be suspected to resist the jews from taking over Russia.

    The mass killing was PRE-PLANNED. All the stries the jews have told about mass graves are true – BUT THE JEWS DID IT! The jews are the biggest massmurderers in history of man.

    Communjism is a jewish fraud. Communism is all about ´jews taking over the country and replacing the old elite with a New Jew Elite.

    100 books online in full text about the jews @ JeWise wordpress c-m

  11. AngryJaw's Gravatar AngryJaw
    June 18, 2010 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    AJ spouts more made up tales as if they were facts. Very jewish tactic. Sure. He’ll deny it. Then check his sources. Oy gevalt. Jews always sweat and stammer when they’re pointed out as being over represented. Point out the evil, white hating, West defiling zionists surrounding Obama for instance, and they go as berserk as AJ.

  12. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 18, 2010 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @foofritz
    “But it was planned murder of the country-base of Russian life and cultural tradition”

    Good point.

  13. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 18, 2010 - 8:34 am | Permalink

    By Bolshevism the Russian culture was destroyed, church and orthodox clergy persecuted, cultural basis on the land broken, in the universities the institutes closed and had to follow the new “Marxist dogmas”, professors deported, even less suspicious engineers were persecuted and history eradicated, the new soviet man should have no history.
    Social, ethnic networks were radically broken up., that also means that the young were led to despise their elders, to ignore traditional culture, that rich heritage, the sum of the experience of the ancestors. And that has a parallel with the now widespread teaching of the Frankfurt school since the 1960. Traditional culture is the basis for the present and today in Western societies it is displaced and replaced with engineered Tv and massmedia junk.
    So I think that the ability to networking comes by learning to cooperate. To respect others and have higher goals is taught in Christianity (e.g.), and it has an ethnic basis: Germans held high: community, public spirit, teamwork and “live and let live” and put the common value higher than the ego sometimes.
    Even the Nazis did protect the ethnic basis and traditions. Now Germans are made to believe to be single guilty of Worldwars, to have an evil history. The Frankfurt school did work on that, as H-channel and Holywood also. These tactics deceive the people about guilt, don’t show the real causes and connections in history, the Bolshevic threat has nothing to do with WW-2 ? Bankers like Rothschilds aren’t profiting from wars?
    How these ethnic traits of community are destroyed in our time can be studied in the extreme in Bolshevism. Of course, in Western societies now it isn’t so visible, it is on a higher niveau, a consumer paradise on a basis of financial debts (get everything instantly without diligent effort), but the devolution of mind and community can be observed: a proletarization.
    Solshenitsyn refuses to blame the Jews only and says the Russian people have a responsibility if they let themselves to be led to destruction. Although there was and is now too resistance and warnings about the decline.

  14. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 17, 2010 - 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Jakow Jakowlew-Epstein headed the peoples agrarian commissariate, Solshenitsyn writes in chapter 19, (the 1930s years), for long years his career had been agitation and propaganda . 1921 he led the head-committee for political education in the peoples-comimssariate for education, later the agitprop- department in the ZK (central.committee) then vice-leader of the ZK- press department – but already in 1923 on the XII. party rally plans to be decided upon were sketched by him for the politics on the villages, and 1929 he saw himself catapulted on the chair of the peoples agrarian commissar
    . After that he took the lead of “The Great Break”, the attack of collectivization, [1930-33] that seized millions, with its eager helpers of accomplishing (executing) it. An author of our days writes, “Additionally, at the end of the 1920s, for the first time not only a few Jewish Communists came on stage on the flat county side as commanders and masters over life and dead. Only during the collectivization the picture of the Jew as the hated enemy of the farmer was definitely coined – even there, where one until then never had come to see a Jew.” (252)
    – Solshenitsyn goes on to write, that it were wrong to say, it was only Jews who executed the de-kulack-ization, and it was a shame how many Russians collaborated with the communist strategy.
    But it was planned murder of the country-base of Russian life and cultural tradition: the stored grain was taken away from the farmers by force, they were deported to the Taiga and dumped to die there, train-stations were closed for starving families, travel permits to cities denied, the dieing were lying on the roadsides. Not only in the Ukraine but on the Wolga and other Russian areas. The result later then were armies of uprooted industrial slave- laborers clad in rags.

  15. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 17, 2010 - 9:20 pm | Permalink

    It is possible that the scholars of the academic institutes for defining and teaching genocide are only to 20% jews but as far as my knowledge goes, one still can earn a high price if he provides a single original, not falsified, paper of the Nazis that proves a plan for “exterminating” Jews, Slavs, Gypsies except that the language of war, like annihilating the enemy only means in the common usage: destroying them and “final solution” means deporting to Madagaskar or Eastern Europe.. and that Jews in the East were considered communists generally when some of them often were commissars and partisans unfortunately but who had also murdered Russians, Baltic people, and maybe were shot by special units often consisting of former victims of Bolshevic terror.

  16. lobro's Gravatar lobro
    June 17, 2010 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    let me sharpen an already perceptive comment, tictac;
    in the world of angrrrryjew, nobility and culture are defined by solely by admission of holocaust.
    ignoble primitives like us resist admission without proof but there is a method to this madness.
    many heretics, witches, warlocks and even a few jews were put to burning stake after similar display of culture and nobility, of course after having bones broken on the wheel, etc.

  17. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 17, 2010 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    AngryJew said :”The one good thing about the Germans, being a noble and cultured nation – was they admited responsibility for the Holocaust”

    So there`s only one good thing about the entire German race ?
    And that is that they all admit responsibility for the Holocaust.

    Dude you`re so funny.

  18. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 17, 2010 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    When i say “I don’t think the Bolshevik holocaust was consciously genocidal” i meant as a whole.

    Individual elements of it may have been, in particular the starving of the Ukrainians as revenge for various pogroms.

  19. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 17, 2010 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    “Collectivization in the USSR cost millions of lives – but it was not genocide nor perpetrated as such. There were zelots, but they were not nearly exclusively Jewish. In fact, Jews comprised roughly 20% of their ranks.”

    I don’t think the Bolshevik holocaust was consciously genocidal although disproportionate jewish involvement may have made the anti-Christian element more extreme.

    I do think the Bolshevik holocaust has been as covered up as much as possible and the jewish involvement in it has been covered up even more. This is important both for reasons of historical truth and also so the people who died get a fitting memorial.

    I don’t think jews became genocidal towards white people until after WWII.

  20. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 17, 2010 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    Why do they call it – Holocaust ? There`s millions of Jewish people running around. Did they all rise from the dead ?

    David Irving doesn`t deny that the Nazis killed Jews – it was a war, Jews were Commies, Commies were Jews, so the Nazis were just killing their enemies.

    Irving only doubts that the Nazis used Gas-Chambers – and as Lobro shows, the evidence speaks for itself.

    3 years in prison for asking questions.
    Damn ! What a scam.

    His book, Banged Up, is pretty tragic. His family lost their home and one of his family members was unwell.

  21. me's Gravatar me
    June 17, 2010 - 8:35 am | Permalink

    I keep on hearing the Churches that were destroyed. Oh please, the barbarism that is religion probably didn’t deserve better
    sorry for multiple posts everyone but….
    this really struck me..

    Think about the positive effect of Christianity on the west- the foundations of science (this is beyond dispute) ethics -(for example christians ended infanticide and blood sport, founded hospitals (the term from from hospice) and universities, nearly all our great art is Christian themed (statistically, pagan and roman art, though admirable is only a small % of western art)

    it was the strength of faith that made us hold out against the Muslims – pagans never did and never will be able to resist…

    yet, jews literally see no value in it – and in fact only see it as negative. And that is reflected in their thoughts and deeds.

  22. me's Gravatar me
    June 17, 2010 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    AngryJew, this is REALLY interesting statement about synagogues. I was actually looking for such comparative statistics
    some religious jews who refused to renounce their ways were put in gulogs and some synagoges were shut – but violence and hostility was directed towards Christians, overwhelmingly. and as AS points out, they were better treated in the gulags

  23. me's Gravatar me
    June 17, 2010 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    I keep on hearing the Churches that were destroyed. Oh please, the barbarism that is religion probably didn’t deserve better
    – Christian art, religion, culture, ethics and architecture is the very fabric of the west. I do not wonder you more or less support the bolshivik view (including the murder of clergy?) destroying ancient churches – no doubt you would smile with glee if Chartres and Notre Dame suffered the same fate.

    You pretty much confirm, by your own words- you a pro white Jew- the culture-destroying hostile attitude of jews towards the west.

    As a caveot, yes, some ‘odonist’ white nationalists have the same views but they are more of a nuisance than a destructive threat.

  24. HA's Gravatar HA
    June 17, 2010 - 8:20 am | Permalink

    Jewish infighting: left-wing Jews are nation-wreckers who hate Christians, right-wing Jews are nation-wreckers who hate Christians and Muslims.

  25. lobro's Gravatar lobro
    June 17, 2010 - 8:10 am | Permalink

    i looked at the nizkor project (you seem to have misspelled it niTzkor, so may be angry but of somewhat dubious provenance jew) and it is giant windbag of self referencing blather, all kinds of workshops on how to spot and fight ‘denial’, ‘hate’, ‘antisemitism’, in fact most of the effort is spent on bolstering the failing hasbara rather than bringing out the incontestable facts, of which there are in fact just about none that i could see.
    not one of the revisionists arguments and queries was countered in a meaningful way, not a single apology for innumerable, easily spotted lies in that sordid narrative (lack of even the tiniest reference to killing of jews in 6000 pages of politics, diplomacy and war accounts by churchill, eisenhower and de gaulle, not an iota of mention in tens of millions of messages in enigma encrypted radio traffic that nazis exchanged in confidence that they weren’t eavesdropped on, lack of ‘prussian blue’ cyanide stains on presumed gas chambers, even though the delousing rooms were soaked in it, furtive overnight change of plaque at auschwitz that bore the magic number of 4.5 million victims to 1.5 million as result of zundel trial, without explanation while the total of 6 million stood rock solid, how did those magical stiffs float to redistribute themselves smoothly around the other camps? the ground penetrating radar evidence at treblinka that where the mass burial supposedly took place the ground was totally undisturbed, lack of smokestacks venting toxic byproducts of gassings, utterly ludicrous evidence of idiots who blithely claimed that 750 thousand bodies were buried smack next to a functioning drinking well, that bodies incinerate totally (and in heavy winter conditions too) when lighted, women burn more easily and were used for kindling, gushing geysers of blood spurting on for months after the “atrocity” at babi yar, absolute lack of dna evidence – hey, the magicians of talmud missed anticipating that one, didn’t they …)
    not one – if you know of just one, let us all know – just one to get the meaningful discussion going.

    nizkor means “we will remember”, which says volumes about its true mission.

    i found one particularly distasteful effort by nizkor to smear a revisionist researcher by name of djurdjevic by retroactively altering the data in World Almanac and Book of Facts.
    namely, he pointed out that the stated number of jews, in the us and worldwide in 1940 was 15,290,983 and the corresponding figure for 1949 was 15,713,638.
    six million anyone?
    the fact that nizkor saw fit to go after djurdjevic instead of engage him in open debate is to me indicative of that central jewish characteristic – not just propensity to lie, but absolute, blind worship of lie, the god of lies, starting with kol nidre, the single most sacred recitation by anyone rightfully calling himself a jew.
    and this is the crux of our difference, angry jew.
    i am angry too, why not rename niz-kor to nidre-kor?

  26. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 17, 2010 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    RF, I would be glad to help in translating, but am reading only from the German translation (2003) and even if to translate from this one, my Engl. isn’t fluent. Solshenitsyn isn’t that easy, gives sometimes ironic answers to distortions of history that come from Jewish sources (not even all names are clearly defined), but also remarkable in his appendix and footnotes so many publications are mentioned.
    — other reviews: Solzhenitsyn on the Jews and Soviet Russia, Part I to IV
    F. Roger Devlin http://www.toqonline.com/author/fdevlin/page/2/
    and
    http://www.barnesreview.org/html/sept2008lead_119.html
    and interview
    A World Split Apart
    by: Alexander Solzhenitsyn,
    http://www.truth-out.org/article/a-world-split-apart

    views of the Jewish aspect and role in the Communist revolution
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
    Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:19
    Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin’s first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins
    Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists’ vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution — partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.
    The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin’s dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.
    “Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka,” wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, “stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator.”20 In Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.

    It isn’t only about the: “Who is to blame” but the charakteristic of the horrible social “experiments” and the parallels to the ongoing destruction of our European cultures today. Maybe under other names than Bolshevism or rather we have signs of a dictatorship of media and finance and expropriation and destruction of justice (constitution in the US). These signs of enforced collectivization or proletarisation are disastrous for European cultures and races that aimed for freedom based on a just social order.

    If Germans accept responsibility for H–caust – still it is the only event in history not allowed to be investigated and doubt is a prerequisite of science of course. N-socialism was certainly a counter-movement to the threat of Bolshevism, as the history philosopher Ernst Nolte wrote: a causal nexus (this evoked the “historians dispute” with the followers of the Frankfurt school, that lasted 10 years)

  27. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 17, 2010 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    “I keep on hearing the Churches that were destroyed. Oh please, the barbarism that is religion probably didn’t deserve better – but recall that thousands of synagogues were destroyed, and so were thousands of mosques.”

    AngryJew, this is REALLY interesting statement about synagogues. I was actually looking for such comparative statistics. Can you please provide me your reference?

  28. me's Gravatar me
    June 17, 2010 - 6:02 am | Permalink

    angry jew There were zelots, but they were not nearly exclusively Jewish. In fact, Jews comprised roughly 20 % of their ranks.
    “the Jewish Century” and KM , and “two hundred years together’ document jewish over-representation – it is safe to say that communism would not have happened – without jews – particularly the curious zealous oppression of Christianity – and ‘anti semitism’ a capital offense.

    A. N. FIELD, in Today’s Greatest Problem
    “Once the Jewishness of Bolshevism is understood, its otherwise puzzling features become understandable. Hatred of Christianity, for instance, is not a Russian characteristic; it is a Jewish one.”

    your ‘arguing’ that is was not characteristically jewish reminds me of those people who try to claim that the israeli lobby/support for israel is not jewish but christian (safe to say that if christian ‘zionists’ were supporting say, a christian state in jerusalem it would have little or no impact, just like the protestations of the allegedly powerful protestant organizations has little or no impact of treatment of CHRISTIANS in Israel today (they are not treated nicely – literally spit on by ultral orthodox (who do it as a religious obligation)

    Orthodox who vote 70% Republican
    Jews vote 90% for obama = and usually abuot 80-90 democrat the ONLY time they shift is for ISRAEL – they STILL hold views on immigration, multiculturalism that are anti western. The Neocons, other than militaristic support for israel are esentially left wing .

    Some are begining to see muslims as a problem but their traditional hatred and mistrust of the Christian West makes them reluctant to stop anything that hastens its destruction.

  29. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 17, 2010 - 5:17 am | Permalink

    There is already enormous infighting in the Jewish world. The liberal shits who tell us we can’t have “Jewish state” and the normal people who are trying to survive. The natural distance between the Orthodox who vote 70% Republican, and the other filth that votes for the shit-heads. If KM or the ADL weren’t the exclusive source on Jews, you’d know this.

    By the way, I want to make it perfectly clear. Collectivization in the USSR cost millions of lives – but it was not genocide nor perpetrated as such. There were zelots, but they were not nearly exclusively Jewish. In fact, Jews comprised roughly 20 % of their ranks. Obviously being eloquent, they often got more note.

    I keep on hearing the Churches that were destroyed. Oh please, the barbarism that is religion probably didn’t deserve better – but recall that thousands of synagogues were destroyed, and so were thousands of mosques.

    As per Anti-Semitism being illegal – all forms of ethnic discrimination were banned in the USSR. This was multiculturalism on steroids.

    The one good thing about the Germans, being a noble and cultured nation – was they admited responsibility for the Holocaust. The Russians need to accept responsibility for theirs, and not seek to blame Latvians, Poles, and Jews.

  30. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 17, 2010 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    foofritz,

    Please help with the project. We badly need more people with knowledge of both Russian and good English.

    Please translate ONE chapter.

  31. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 16, 2010 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Der Engel
    “When can we expect the infighting to begin, I wonder? And can we help them along in this process?”

    Option A) Assuming it worked the same way as in Russia it would require direct political power rather than the indirect form we have now. That can’t happen while America remains democratic because people generally like to vote for their own ethnic group. So it would require the suspension of democracy, direct jewish control and the murder of enough white people to make them feel secure. I’d imagine only the feeling of being completely secure from other rivals would allow them to drop their usual guard.

    They’re working towards it. Once they have enough non-white voters to really lay siege to the constitution the end game will be close but that’s not an outcome i would hope for.

    Option B) In my opinion it’s happening already over Israel – some of them put Israel first no matter what while others have become a bit semi-detached. If true, i’d imagine the main effect would be mutual literary screeching squads of ever greater volume and a higher likelihood of the Israelis doing something crazy as they felt more isolated.

    I can’t think of anything that could help, either in a good way or a bad one.

    “It’s worth noting that Stalin himself wasn’t particularly anti-semitic.”

    I assume originally he was their Auslage Goy but proved smarter than he acted. But yes, i don’t think he was any more anti-jewish than anti everyone else except in terms of clever = potential threat.

  32. Der weiße Engel's Gravatar Der weiße Engel
    June 16, 2010 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Wandrin says:

    @Clytemnestra
    “That’s exactly what I think happened. Once power had been consolidated over the ethnic Russians, different factions of the Bolsheviks turned on each other and killed one another, their families and anyone suspected of supporting them.”

    Agree. Then as they were gradually weakened by in-fighting Stalin gradually got the upper hand until in the 50s and 60s there was a last anti-jewish push. From then they started trying to leave for America or Israel.

    This is a very interesting idea, especially since so many here appear to think Jews are in complete control of things in the West right now. When can we expect the infighting to begin, I wonder? And can we help them along in this process?

    Assuming the Jews fell from power in the USSR due to infighting, it might help us if we could ascertain exactly why. What happened back then to break the ethnic solidarity for which Jews everywhere are known?

    It’s worth noting that Stalin himself wasn’t particularly anti-semitic. He surrounded himself with Jews like Kaganovich, whom he allowed to murder his own racial kin. Under Stalin, anti-semitism was made a capital crime. He supported the creation of Israel, and supplied aid to Israel in the 1948 war. His children married Jews, and he allegedly had affairs with numerous Jewish women. He was a good example of the raceless technocratic elite that the West is now cursed with.

  33. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 16, 2010 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra
    “That’s exactly what I think happened. Once power had been consolidated over the ethnic Russians, different factions of the Bolsheviks turned on each other and killed one another, their families and anyone suspected of supporting them.”

    Agree. Then as they were gradually weakened by in-fighting Stalin gradually got the upper hand until in the 50s and 60s there was a last anti-jewish push. From then they started trying to leave for America or Israel.

    @James
    “Jump to the dissolution of the USSR after which presto! it was acknowledged that Jewish oligarchs now owned most of the wealth of the country. This is not the stuff of an underdog group long since fallen from power.”

    I’m not an expert but my understanding is they didn’t at first. When the USSR dissolved there were a lot of “western” advisors who went over there. I think the rise of the oligarchs had a lot to do with the privatizing deals that were decided at that time and the usual ethnic networking reasons that went with it.

  34. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 16, 2010 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

    yes, as James says, also the biggest purge 1937/8 was not explicitly against Jews, Solshenitsyn writes, but liquidated many of them since there were so many in the administration. The Jews were removed mostly from the first ranks more to secondary rows .Even as earlier Zionists and also traditional Jewish life was purged Bolshevic Jews did not decrease in numbers.. and when synagogues were closed also 10 000s of orthodox churches were destroyed.
    To a great part Solshenitsyn replies to the arguments of often Jewish publications that are sometimes plausible, sometimes often contradicting historic evidence.

  35. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 16, 2010 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Solshenizyn in his “200 years together” gives often percentages of Jews in the Bolshevic apparatus, not always complete statistics – that may be for further research. It also seems sometimes difficult, thanks to their name-changing to find out who was Jewish, he researched names, fathers, families.
    Some aspects from the chapter “The Thirties” preceding the here translated chapter “Gulag” –
    Ethnic networking: is not necessary to have the majority in a committee to have a decisive influence, but the combination of those on the levers of power in the soviet system, e.g in the 1920s as in 1934 the jewish part was only 1/6 in the central committee but in the control commission of the party they had 1/3 and in the Central control commission 1930 10 of 25 were Jews of bloody fame. In the 1920s the Russian culture, science, church and history was destroyed by Bolshevics – Russians but also too often Jewish communists did it. It was almost counterrevolutionary to speak the word “Russian”, but ” Russian idiot/ ninny” was widely used in the press. When the Trotzkists were knocked out, the Jewish personnel in the party was decimated but that was by no means an anti-Jewish action. The purge of 1930-1933 was aimed at the Russian opposition elements in the party (Rykov, Bucharin.. ).
    Lasar Kaganovich, a sinister merciless and in his vulgarity almost comical figure, was Stalin’s most important support then.
    In the first half of the 1930s the Jewish part in the state-security was increasing high. In the 10 departmennts were 7 Jews. The leaders of the Gulags Solshenizyn has already named in “Archipel Gulag” and he says, it isn’t his fault, that very many were Jews, as were the in 1936 portrayed leaders of the White-sea-Baltic canal project of slave labor.
    The sinister persecutor of the enforced collectivisation was Jakowlew-Epstein, also Kalmanovich, WG Feigin, MW Wolf, GG Roschal and others followed by horible starvation, death of 5-6 million farmers, kulacks and the annihilation of the Russian life based on the land. It weren’t all Jews who enforced it of course but the Jewish commissar was seen too often there. Planned long before by the Marxists.

  36. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    June 16, 2010 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    the whole purpose of the Cold War was to arm Israel.
    If that were so, then it would have best served that purpose for the Jews controlling the USSR to step back into the shadows and arrange some anti-Semitic incidents to be
    effectively reported in the Western media; perhaps the only kind of reporting on the Jews in the USSR.

    That recalls the Jewish-managed Jesse Jackson’s celebrated reference to New York as “Hymie-town.” Jesse had been criticized for his subservience by the Black Muslims and was trying to restore his street cred.

  37. James's Gravatar James
    June 16, 2010 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Pondering the USSR

    Sometimes the fact that powerful Jews were eliminated by Stalin in the power struggles of the 1930’s is used to suggest a cessation of Judaic power in that great state. But a more probable reality may be more a matter of there being such a density of ethnic Jews at the top places of power that any power struggle, such as that of Stalin against the Trotskyists in the 1930’s, inevitably had Jews as losers and as winners.
    I personally strongly suspect that Stalin was himself very likely part ethnic Jew or he would not likely have been trusted by the international financial elite who continued to support him and the USSR even when their preferred man, Trotsky, was finessed by Stalin as Lenin’s successor. Lenin was not admitted to be Jewish until relatively recently. Probably that admission was a calculated concession to seeming openness while maintaining Stalin’s identity as officially a NON-Jew on whom could be blamed much of the great pillage of the Russian people.
    Eustace Mullins mentioned in a radio interview that in the biography of Norman B. Podhoretz, Norman said the whole purpose of the Cold War was to arm Israel.
    If that were so, then it would have best served that purpose for the Jews controlling the USSR to step back into the shadows and arrange some anti-Semitic incidents to be
    effectively reported in the Western media; perhaps the only kind of reporting on the Jews in the USSR.
    Meanwhile there was the transfer of the secret ATOM BOMB information to the USSR by Jewish Americans and the secret pact between Israel/Golda Meir and USSR/Stalin/Kaganovich in the late 1940’s.
    Jump to the dissolution of the USSR after which presto! it was acknowledged that Jewish oligarchs now owned most of the wealth of the country.
    This is not the stuff of an underdog group long since fallen from power.

  38. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 16, 2010 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    Gas-chambers :

    If we lived in a free world then we could investigate them.
    But we don`t live in a free world so we can`t.
    We can send scientists in to discover the truth, but they don`t, why not ?
    We can re-test the gas-chambers, but they don`t, why not ?
    We know our scientists can easily do the tests, but they don`t, why not ?
    We have the technology to resolve these problems, so why not ?

    Ask yourself … why not ?

  39. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 16, 2010 - 10:02 am | Permalink

    “For a country to have a great writer is like having a second government.
    That is why no regime has ever loved great writers, only minor ones”
    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  40. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 16, 2010 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    “Gulag and Repression-
    From your favorite source wikipedia (goes hand in hand with your wikiknowledge of History).
    “In 1931–32 the Gulag had approximately 200,000 prisoners in the camps; in 1935 — approximately 800,000 in camps and 300,000 in colonies (annual averages), and in 1939 — about 1.3 millions in camps and 350,000 in colonies.[22] .”

    Now, let’s see after the war, shall we?”

    Whatever. BEFORE 1935, when your tribe called the shots, 20 MILLIONS DIED. It dwarfs all those 2.5 millions IN Gulags afterwards, at LEAST half of whom HAD SURVIVED.

    So here take your pick and compare 20 million dead in the beginning and during the rule of the Tribe and a million dead after.

    “After World War II the number of inmates in prison camps and colonies, again, rose sharply, reaching approximately 2.5 million people by the early 1950s (about 1.7 million of whom were in camps).”

  41. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 16, 2010 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    German high command executed?

    Dude – get a brick –

    what was it, five guy were popped off as a result of the show trials?!

    You gotta be kidding me. The only real trials were conducted by Soviets.

    Katyn? I am not sure anyone at Nuremberg took the slack. It might have been on the list, but boy – it sure didn’t make headlines.

    Anyway, to lay this silly argument to rest:
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

    Now if you can find me better estimates by all means.

    …I must add – that never before had I been as convinced as now, that those who discuss Jews and Soviet repression do so entirely out of irrational and spiteful reasons. We have no trouble admitting to having partaken in some parts of the repressions. This is entirely different from

    DENYING THE HOLOCAUST
    and
    that soviet genocides, carried out by little Russian hands, and ordered by a Georgian autocrat, are somehow entirely the fault of Jews.

    AND just in case you are not up to date- Conquest no longer claims the Holodomor was deliberate.

    So good luck.

  42. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 16, 2010 - 7:34 am | Permalink

    Look, you want to lose the argument, be my guest. I though you’d sleep better if you just took my word for it.

    Jewish leadership in Soviet Union-

    History 101: Kamenev, Zinoviev, Trotsky, please Google year they vanished.

    Oh wait, you’re going to start playing with the definition of “Leadership” now!

    Exterminated –

    that’s what happened to Jews in 1937 and 1938. Jewish over-representation is over. And no, sorry, most of the extermination was being done by non-Jews at that point. Stalin deliberately sought to end Jewish power.

    Gulag and Repression-
    From your favorite source wikipedia (goes hand in hand with your wikiknowledge of History).
    “In 1931–32 the Gulag had approximately 200,000 prisoners in the camps; in 1935 — approximately 800,000 in camps and 300,000 in colonies (annual averages), and in 1939 — about 1.3 millions in camps and 350,000 in colonies.[22] .”

    Now, let’s see after the war, shall we?

    “After World War II the number of inmates in prison camps and colonies, again, rose sharply, reaching approximately 2.5 million people by the early 1950s (about 1.7 million of whom were in camps).”

    This graphic sums it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulag_Prisoner_Stats_1934-1953.PNG

    Note the first peak – that’s the Jewish influx.

    Note the second peak (massive eh?) no Jews involved.

    By far the Soviet’s greatest losses take place during the Second World War.

    I can’t understand why anyone would want to deny Russians their rightful place in taking some responsibility for the barbarism of communism.

  43. me's Gravatar me
    June 16, 2010 - 6:09 am | Permalink

    the Soviet Regime is at its bloodies post-Jewish representation. Jewish leadership is axed in the later 20s,
    you should ask the Romanovs about that. WHo pulled the trigger? Who gave the order? and people were already dying by the 100,000’s in the 1920s – but again, The TROTSKYITES might have been purged but not ‘the jews’.

    ..
    Concerning evidence.. well, German high command were tried, found guilty and executed at nuremberg for steaming jews to death, and for Katyn. Guess they’re both true.

  44. me's Gravatar me
    June 16, 2010 - 6:05 am | Permalink

    Jews are exterminated in the mid thirties.
    I question that as well. Its my understanding the NKVD etc were still significantly jewish.
    further, just because Jews were in gulags doesn’t mean they weren’t the people putting them in Gulags- nazi germany had a german hierarchy and was in the interest of germans but they still put PLENTY of germans in concentration camps… so your point doesn’t prove anything.

    Further, communism never could have been enabled with out international jewish co-ordination, support and financing. They were forthrightly and brutally oppressive towards the Christian majority – just like here, just like the Arenda system in poland in the 18th century (the revolt there, too, had a ‘anti semitic’ – or so described- character)

    In fact even in places like hungry the uprising in the 1950s had a distinct anti-semitic (so described) character.

    PS you should (Really!) read KM books documenting Jewish support of communism – its save to say that if there were no jews, there would be no communism in the west – just like if there were no jewish elite Multi-culuti and PC and open borders would not exist –

    And yes, I agree plenty of WASP elite etc support this stuff but they do not turn around and make an exception for their in-group – as jews so blatantly do.

  45. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 16, 2010 - 3:20 am | Permalink

    “All my questions come down to this: the Soviet Regime is at its bloodies post-Jewish representation.”

    BS. How many people died after 1937 from repression, when there was less Jews in the repressive machine? We know that BEFORE that, when Cheka was around 40% Jewish there were aronud 20 millions dead. But how many died after that?
    Soviet Union bloodiest times weirdly coincide with apotheosis of Jewish power and amount of blood sharply decreases when representation of your cotribesmen decreased.

    “Jewish leadership is axed in the later 20s,”

    Now you play this tune. Sorry. It was significantly reduced starting middle of 1930th, not at the end of 1920s.

    “Jews are exterminated in the mid thirties.”

    Please provide numbers corresponding to that “extermination”. Was it hundred thousands? Or millions? Or several thousand of Bolshevik officials of jewish origin?

    You jews start screaming as soon as you begin to feel the taste of your own medicine. Good.

  46. James's Gravatar James
    June 16, 2010 - 1:55 am | Permalink

    This is great news that 200 Years Together is in the English language birthing process.
    I, for one, am profoundly interested in reading the book.
    Kevin MacDonald’s work is a great and ongoing gift to a nation starved for truthful information.

    In reading Angry Jew’s comments, I think what he is asking for, and I’d be interested in as well, are recommendations for plausibly reliable sources of specific information about the Judaic role in the USSR, and which identify specifically Jews in positions of power such as in the Politburo over the years. Otherwise, how can one hope to study the matter with confidence?
    I would be curious to see a list of Soviet Ambassadors to major countries like the USA and UK that accurately identified who of them were ethnic Jews.
    Many of our American Ambassadors to the rest of the world for some years have been Jews.
    Somehow, the entire Cold War passed without many people in America knowing the great communist arch-enemy was in great measure controlled and manned at the top by atheistic ethnic Jews. I certainly
    never heard even a hint of such a thing.
    Anti-Semitism was against the law and punishable by death in the USSR. I read that referring to political leaders or describing them as Jews was deemed anti-Semitic. So there may not be a large body of Soviet
    work, either, with information about the power of Jews in the USSR. Which is why 200 Years Together is such an important and rare document.

    Regarding ISRAEL:
    The USSR was the first nation entity to recognize the criminal state of Israel as legitimate. And, while
    non Jews were imprisoned for trying to escape the USSR, Jews were allowed to emigrate in generous
    yearly numbers; supposedly to Israel, but many came to the USA instead.

    According to author Jack Bernstein in his brief 1985 book about his life in Israel, there was a secret pact between Israel and the USSR: The Golda Meir-Stalin/Kaganovich Pact
    which Bernstein described as:

    “Golda Meir had been born in Russia, grew up in Milwaukmee, Wisconsin and in 1921 migrated to Israel. In 1949, Golda Meir became Israel’s first ambassador to the Soviet Union.
    Representing Israel, Ambassador Golda Meir, a Bolshevik Jewess, met with two representatives of the Soviet Union: Kaganovich, a Bolshevik Jew and Stalin who had married a Bolshevik Jewess. They made a secret agreement — a pact.
    ISRAEL’S PART OF THE PACT WAS:
    Israel would not allow any Western country, especially the U.S. to build military bases on Israeli territory.
    Israel would allow an official communist party to function freely in Israel.
    Israel would not make any agreement to solve the Palestinian problem.
    Israel would influence world Jewry, especially in the U.S. to have Western Powers adopt a policy of favoring Israel over the Arabs.
    Israel was to continue its Marxist economic policies and prevent any free-enterprise tendencies.
    SOVIET UNION’S PART OF THE PACT WAS:
    The Soviets would institute a pro-Arab policy solely as a camouflage for its true intention, which was to furnish aid to the Arabs, but never enough to enable the Arabs to destroy Israel.
    The Soviets would open the gates of Soviet satellite countries to Jewish immigration to Israel. Should this be insufficient, Soviet Russia then would open its own gates to immigration.
    The Soviets would absolutely guarantee the security of Israel.
    ** Both the Soviet Union and Israel would exchange intelligence reports.”

  47. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 16, 2010 - 1:22 am | Permalink

    And you want someone to take you seriously. You go lebro, you go Edward – yah Dorothy loves you.

    Dishonesty is something you shouldn’t toy with.

    A recap:

    Jews and Holodomor: no facts. no data. Two testimonies by Jewish participants = proof!!

    Please, google a list of the participants – with some hard work you’ll find it. There are virtually no Jews. The names are mostly of Ukrainians.

    Holocaust: Nitzkor Project, and Massive independent evidence of genocide of millions of “subhumans” – DOCUMENTARY evidence that Nazi’s planned extermination of 20 million Slavs to clear the land. PLUS DOCUMENTARY evidence of other groups being slated for total extermination ….Independently confirmed from American, British, French, Soviet, Japanese, ALL sources –

    And you are talking about the Holodomor.

    The Holodmor was a tragedy, no less a person said so than Kopelev and Grossman.

    And I am sure I can understand that tragedy far better than most of you here – because few of you here have had any tragedies happening to you.

    I repeat, Jewish overrepresentation in the early USSR is a fact – I do not dispute it.

    But everyone here, including KM, shows no ability whatsoever to answer a single of my questions from up top – so its a lot of hot air.

    All my questions come down to this: the Soviet Regime is at its bloodies post-Jewish representation. Jewish leadership is axed in the later 20s, and Jews are exterminated in the mid thirties. And you have the gall to sit there and talk about Soviet Atrocities and Jews?

  48. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 15, 2010 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The comments after foofritz’s link are interesting – some accepting the reality but many refusing point blank.

  49. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 15, 2010 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    “Solshenizyn really is the great Russian writer of this horrible time and just and honest in the humane way..”

    Yes.

  50. foofritz's Gravatar foofritz
    June 15, 2010 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Yes, as Kevin MacDonald writes: Solshenizyn is out-most honest; he tries every angle to avoid a general prejudice about Jews, and through the whole book, (which is out in German as in French, in this case regional censorship reversed with USA), through all of his considering the role of Jews and quoting from mostly their own writing, – one has to conclude that they were all too willing in destroying the Russian Christian culture. Although many Russians followed the teachings of Marx, Lenin and Trotzki – it is so that Jews often from European and American cities streamed to the red flag of the Bolshevic revolution with excitement to destroy Russia. They behaved as aliens toward the Russians. So not just a group-thinking/ racial supremacism, but rather in negative, destructive aspects. Solshenizyn considers also more honest Jewish historians like S.Margolina, but they are usually suppressed by their “mainstream” then.
    Solshenizyn really is the great Russian writer of this horrible time and just and honest in the humane way..
    To add e.g.: the Zionist history-writing is false in that Jews did not play a major role at Stalin’s time:
    ( this is a well known article) Sever Plocker – Stalin’s Jews
    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

  51. Walter Duranty's Gravatar Walter Duranty
    June 15, 2010 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Keep up the great work, Dr MacDonald!

  52. me's Gravatar me
    June 15, 2010 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

    First off, there is no way to prove that communist Jews were not motivated by hatred of Christian Ukrainian
    3000 churches destroyed 100,000s of religious icons, etc. close to 200,000 clergy killed. Practice of christianity illegal. anti semitism a crime punishable by death…

    Now who would make up such laws? Mormons?

  53. Dorothea's Gravatar Dorothea
    June 15, 2010 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    Good one Lobro!

  54. lobro's Gravatar lobro
    June 15, 2010 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    Now find me one Nazi journalist, who said the same.

    talk of putting the cart before the horse … why would a nazi journalist say something like this if holocaust was never proved by anything beyond the personal testimonials of deranged talmudists or obtained from tortured prisoners and every single demographic and forensic analysis points away from it?

  55. lobro's Gravatar lobro
    June 15, 2010 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    ukraine and pale region share much of their landmass, thus, jews should have died proportional to their population size – 25-30% of 4-5 million.

    did this happen, and if not, why not?

  56. Dorothea's Gravatar Dorothea
    June 15, 2010 - 8:24 am | Permalink

    Edward, I really enjoy your posts. Do you have your own blog?

  57. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    June 15, 2010 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    @AngryJew
    Bravo. Proved correct again. No case against Jews. […] I am not challenging the prominence of Jews in the USSR

    LOL. After initial denials of Jewish prominence in the Holodomor are shown to be false, the next fall-back position is to say that is wasn’t Jews as Jews who confiscated the Ukrainian food. It was communists who only happened to be Jews. Any communist would have done the same and non-communist Jews did not participate.

    First off, there is no way to prove that communist Jews were not motivated by hatred of Christian Ukrainians. Even if all partisans had signed affidavits that mass starvation was waged to bring about the worker’s paradise, that would prove nothing since false piety is often used as a cover for baser motives.

    I can confidently state that not one of my questions was answered to satisfy KM”s interpretation.

    You asked for precise numbers and facts. Such data may exist but if not, that is only because the information was buried by communists and Jewish media institutions like the New York Times. Ten million Ukrainians starved. Jews were in control and, as you point out, had historical grievances against “Cossacs” that could easily serve as motivation for revenge.

    Conversely, if anyone demands precise facts on the Holocaust, they can be fired for anti-Semitism. Anyone in Canada, continental Europe, or Israel who questions Holocaust “facts” is fined or imprisoned as a “denier.”

    Apparently, the lives of the Chosen People are more significant than the lives of Ukrainians. In a courtroom where Jewish interests are at stake, the truth is no defence.

  58. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 15, 2010 - 6:21 am | Permalink

    Your friend Kopelev:

    “Several years were required … before I could finally begin to understand what an ugly little pygmy I had imagined to be a handsome giant [Joseph Stalin], how irremediably disastrous our – my – dialectical illusions and blind faith had been.

    “Today I am convinced that no victories or attainments, neither the rout of Hitler’s forces nor the flights of cosmonauts, can exonerate us, can even be considered ‘mitigating circumstances.’

    “And even less forgivable are all the intellectual and emotional factors which led to my guilt, my participation in those fateful grain collections, be they explained or predetermined by socio-historical objectivity or purely personal subjectivity.”

    – Now find me one Nazi journalist, who said the same. I am talking about a journalist, that’s all.

  59. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 15, 2010 - 6:06 am | Permalink

    @Edward

    Bravo. Proved correct again. No case against Jews. You have to resort to Lysson for a non-argument.

    Kopelev. Wow. Maybe we’ll be better off talking about all the half-Jews who staffed the Nazi party under Hitler? Then we can make broad baseless conclusions about the Holodomor and have no Holocaust too?

    Of course there were some Jews who thought “death to these defuses for what they did in Kishenev” – but its the height of absurdity to suggest any of this got into policy.

    Please study up on the Kulaks, their ties to Cossacs, and the role they played in the Civil War, before you rub down “class enemy” to “racial enemy”.

    I am not challenging the prominence of Jews in the USSR – merely KM’s interpretation. I can confidently state that not one of my questions was answered to satisfy KM”s interpretation.

  60. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 15, 2010 - 6:00 am | Permalink

    @TicTac

    . . . “Especially now that I`m more aware of what Jews do to non-Jews when they have power.”

    You may want to follow the Edgar J. Steele case, currently unfolding in Idaho.

    Mr Steele is a high profile advocate for white interests in America and has often been accused of saying things the self-chosen Master Race don’t want said in the Home of Free Speech.

    Perhaps we are about to witness a demonstration of how far advanced their voice morphing technology is.

    I don’t believe in coincidence theories.

    Who framed Edgar J. Steele?

  61. me's Gravatar me
    June 15, 2010 - 5:06 am | Permalink

    Explain this please, common neo-Nazi accusations against Jews:
    How many jews are serving in Iraq and doing the killing.. how many jews in the ‘chain of command’ to make the decision to go there… yet, as Israeli daily papers bluntly state, the war was for Israel and planned and pushed by Jewish neocons.

  62. me's Gravatar me
    June 15, 2010 - 4:51 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it extraordinary – that between Palestine and the various Soviets, Jews are easily the longest streak and most consistent streak of brutality and mass murder of any ethnic group, yet they are portrayed in the west as the greatest victims , yet those whom i know who come in contact with them in places like NY quickly see through the charade BUT they don’t have the facts to back it up… and often Jewish behavior is ‘explained’ by the holocaust …

    It just boggles the mind how history, truth and virtue have been turned on their heads.

  63. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    June 15, 2010 - 4:09 am | Permalink

    TicTac says: “Kevin: […] It`s pretty Goddam heroic what you are doing.”

    I think the same.

    Of course this thread is dedicated to the work of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. There was a hero to awe other heroes.

    Without men of this character, true intellectuals willing to write down the truth and suffer the consequences small or great, hardly anything good would survive.

    Carl von Clausewitz said that it was an odd fact that in war, great courage and moderate intelligence more often than not beat great intelligence and moderate courage. I think that holds up. There are times when nothing but brilliance will do. Themistocles could not have saved Greece from Persia if he had not been vastly cunning. But usually enough determined men can get the job done without abnormal intelligence, if they clearly understand that their cause is worth daring anything for. Gaius Claudius Nero, victor of The Battle of the Metaurus and probably the man who struck the most decisive blow in saving Rome from Carthage, would have been nobody special except that he had the nerve to believe that even Hannibal could nod, while Nero went for Hasdrubal.

    In the intellectual realm, it’s not so. There are some people who can do what needs to be done, and millions of others who can’t, however clearly they see the need. If the few with the ability to speak effectively don’t, everything is lost.

    Frank Salter underlined this in the June 2010 issue of Quadrant. Lots of ordinary readers could come up with cogent criticisms of Professor Bagaric’s work, but none of them identified as academics, and without academic rigor and the ability to write practically “bulletproof” books as Kevin MacDonald does, their common sense was useless, shut out of the debate. Meanwhile, from an academically qualified population that was still thousands strong, nobody was saying anything.

    Here’s to the few that can defend the important truths academically, and dare to do so in the face of all calumnies, or as with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, despite much worse punishments. There is no substitute for them, and they deserve our thanks.

  64. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    June 15, 2010 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    #

    “One thing that stands out here is the strange prevalence of Jews in the gulags.”

    “After the Norman conquest the Normans massacred the elites in Southern England, then London, then Northern England. When they felt secure in their position as the new elite they settled down in their fiefdoms to build castles to protect them from the Saxon serfs.

    Then they started fighting each other for power.”

    That’s exactly what I think happened. Once power had been consolidated over the ethnic Russians, different factions of the Bolsheviks turned on each other and killed one another, their families and anyone suspected of supporting them.

    I think most of the six million Jews who died during the Holocaust did so in the Soviet Union and it was at each other’s hands.

  65. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 14, 2010 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Kevin:

    2 months ago I wasn`t even aware of all this stuff.
    What really scared me is when you uttered those frightening words :
    Jews have replaced the Anglo-American elite. And, they are a hostile elite !

    Man, that really freaks me out.

    I just hope you smart guys can wake up our people before it`s too late.
    Especially now that I`m more aware of what Jews do to non-Jews when they have power.

    It`s pretty Goddam heroic what you are doing.

  66. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    June 14, 2010 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    TicTac says: “My history teachers forgot to mention any of this to me.”

    That’s a funny coincidence, mine didn’t mention any of that to me either.

  67. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 14, 2010 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Jews were creators of, and the driven-force behind, the most barbaric, murderous regime in the history of mankind :

    Churchill`s article (Feb. 8, 1920) London Illustrated Sunday Herald : “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews”.

    United States ambassador in Russia, David Francis, who warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington : “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

    The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, who stated : “Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”

    A leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, said : “The Bolshevik Revolution was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct.”

    American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 : “because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining in Russia”

    The new Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.

    Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes : “Lenin’s first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins”

    And on, and on, and on. You can fill an entire library.

    My history teachers forgot to mention any of this to me.

  68. Historysbunkbunkbunk's Gravatar Historysbunkbunkbunk
    June 14, 2010 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Chain of command in the Palestinian ethnic cleansing/genocide for the past 62 years – Jewish.

    Chain of command in the failed false flag attack on the USS Liberty, 1967 in international waters – Jewish.

    Chain of command in the murders on the Peace Flotilla, 2010 in international waters – Jewish.

    etc, etc, etc.

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/4872

  69. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 14, 2010 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    “One thing that stands out here is the strange prevalence of Jews in the gulags.”

    After the Norman conquest the Normans massacred the elites in Southern England, then London, then Northern England. When they felt secure in their position as the new elite they settled down in their fiefdoms to build castles to protect them from the Saxon serfs.

    Then they started fighting each other for power.

  70. barb's Gravatar barb
    June 14, 2010 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    In fact, I’ll wager you’ve never in stepped foot in the lunchroom.

  71. barb's Gravatar barb
    June 14, 2010 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    “My own experience with American whites is that they won’t stick together even when they’re a small racial minority”

    You obviously didn’t go to a minority-majority high school.

  72. Der weiße Engel's Gravatar Der weiße Engel
    June 14, 2010 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    One thing that stands out here is the strange prevalence of Jews in the gulags. Not exactly what you’d expect for a society that was, per MacDonald, essentially developed as a form of ethnic warfare by Jews against Whites. I don’t know of any statistics on the relative proportion of Jews in American and European prisons, but judging from this chapter I’d guess it’s vastly less than it was in the gulags. Another difference between then and now is the one guy referenced by Solzhenitsyn who was imprisioned for “… concealing his “sympathies for the State of Israel” from the Third Department.” Wow! That’s sure not likely to happen here in the good ol’ USA, and a little surprising it was a crime in a society allegedly run by Jews for their own benefit.

    As for the severity of conditions, canal-digging historically has been a hazardous line of work. Thousands of workers, principally Irishmen, perished building the Erie canal, and about 30,000 men died in completing the Panama canal. But nobody alleges an ethnic hostility angle to either of these cases. Their overseers were the supposedly “non-hostile” White elites, although I imagine that fact made no difference to the dead. Also, during slavery, free Irish labor was often used in jobs such as longshoring where the work was too dangerous to risk a truly valuable property such as a negro slave. Nobody cared if Paddy got his back broken by a bale of cotton tossed down into the ship’s hold; that was his problem. But those “non-hostile” White elites didn’t want to take a chance on damaging a slave that they had paid good money for.

    Then there is the question of what exactly constitutes deaths resulting from ethnic hostility. Is expressed intent necessary, or merely an overrepresentation of a hostile group among elites? We need to decide this question because people are generally very tolerant of deaths that occur due to “progress”, which is just about always seen as worth the price. Consider that even today, just automobile deaths in the USA alone number about 50,000 per year, about the amount of deaths in the entire Vietnam War. But, even though, according to some, the Rothschilds are behind everything, nobody would think of this as ethnic warfare, nor are people about to give up cars because of it.

    Of course, this is not to say that ethnic hostility plays no role in human affairs, just that it’s difficult to apportion blame. The forced industrialization of Russia and its associated provinces would doubtless have cost a lot of lives no matter how it was accomplished. Ethnic conflict between Jews and Whites perhaps provided the mechanism whereby it came about, but how many deaths resulted from this conflict and wouldn’t have occurred otherwise is something we can’t know. Jews in White societies have been like a Velikovskian comet passing through our solar system, causing all sorts of catastrophes, disturbing the orbits of all the planets. How any particular White society would have developed without exposure to their influence is impossible to say.

  73. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 14, 2010 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    “When WWII started – how many Jews were sitting on the Central Committee? Every single Jew of prominence and/or Jewess wife of Committee members were sitting in a Gulag, during the War. Explain this please.”

    Stalin was smarter than they thought.

    The same will happen in America if history repeats. They’ll use non-white minorites against white people in the same way the Bolsheviks used non-Russian minorities against the Russians but at some point the non-whites will turn on them.

  74. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    June 14, 2010 - 2:39 pm | Permalink

    How do you explain Yuri Andropov? LOL.

  75. SG's Gravatar SG
    June 14, 2010 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    angryjew said

    “Provide one convincing list.”

    Of course YOU can provide us with the original document, in Hitler’s own handwriting, ordering the Holocaust, yes?

  76. Tom Watson's Gravatar Tom Watson
    June 14, 2010 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    @ Angry

    Would you have guessed that Yuri Andropov was a Jew? LOL. He was.

  77. Phil Tracy's Gravatar Phil Tracy
    June 14, 2010 - 10:43 am | Permalink

    Sorry. I posted the post above to the wrong thread.

  78. Phil Tracy's Gravatar Phil Tracy
    June 14, 2010 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    The rich in the developed countries think workers in those countries are overpaid — hence the desire to bring in cheaper labor from abroad.

  79. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    June 14, 2010 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    @AJ
    The following information on the Holodomor comes from http://desip.igc.org/HolocaustAndHolodomor.html:

    Jews among the Bolsheviks who imposed the holodomor of 1932-33 would have relished settling scores after the 40 years of bloody pogroms that followed Czar Alexander II’s assassination in 1881—especially the still-recent massacre of 50,000 to 100,000 Jews, mostly in the Ukraine, during the Russian civil war of 1918-21. (Far greater numbers of gentiles, of course, also perished in that war; estimates run well into the millions.)

    Albert S. Lindemann, Esau’s Tears, pp. 442-43 (Cambridge University Press, 1997) says that “[i]n. . . the Ukraine, the Cheka leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish”; that “the high percentage of Jews in the secret police continued well into the 1930s”; and that “[c]omparisons to the secret police in Nazi Germany have tempted many observers.

    . . . [T]he extent to which both. . . prided themselves in being. . . willing to carry out the most stomach-turning atrocities in the name of an ideal. . . is striking.” Lindemann adds that:

    George Leggett, the most recent and authoritative historian of the Russian secret police, speculates that the use of [non-Slavic ethnic minorities in the secret police] may have been a conscious policy, since such ‘detached elements could be better trusted not to sympathise with the repressed local population’.[2] Of course, in the Ukrainian case that population had the reputation of being especially anti-Semitic, further diminishing the potential sympathies of Jewish Chekists in dealing with it. [Citing Leggett, The Cheka, Lenin’s Political Police, p. 263 (Oxford University Press, 1981).] . . . . Cheka personnel regarded themselves as a class apart. . . with a power of life or death over lesser mortals. (Emphases added.)

    Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century, above, illustrates the attitude of Jewish Bolsheviks toward dying Ukrainians. See Kevin MacDonald’s review of Slezkine, entitled “Stalin’s Willing Executioners?”, http://www.vdare. com/misc/051105 /macdonald _stalin.htm (a much fuller version of which appears in the Occidental Quarterly, fall 2005, also available online):

    Lev Kopelev, a Jewish writer who witnessed and rationalized the Ukrainian famine in which millions died horrible deaths of starvation and disease as an “historical necessity,” is quoted [on p. 230 as] saying “You mustn’t give in to debilitating pity. We are the agents of historical necessity. We are fulfilling our revolutionary duty.” On the next page, Slezkine describes the life of the largely Jewish elite in Moscow and Leningrad where they attended the theater, sent their children to the best schools, [and] had peasant women (whose families were often the victims of mass murder) for nannies. . . .

    Kopelev did not offer his opinions from a distance. In his words, “I saw women and children with distended bellies, turning blue, with vacant, lifeless eyes. And corpses. . . . I saw all this and did not go out of my mind or commit suicide. . . .” Moynahan, The Russian Century, above, p. 149. Moynahan, by the way, gives a high-end estimate of the death toll as “probably. . . 14 million.” Id. at 130.

    Kopelev was then in his early 20s. (Koestler was six-and-a-half years older.) Kopelev believed without question that “we were warriors on an invisible front, fighting against kulak sabotage for the grain that was needed by the country, by the five-year plan.” See vol. 1 of his memoirs, The Education of a True Believer, p. 226 (1980). He gave speeches to starving peasants at “several meetings a day,” telling them how much more the state needed their grain than they did themselves. Id. at 229. The peasants most often responded, “chop off my head”; they had nothing left to give. Id. at 231.

    Fifteen years later, Kopelev himself was in the Butyrka prison in Moscow, where his fellow inmates, the writers Dmitri Panin[3] and Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, challenged his denial of his own Jewishness, and the Jewishness of the revolution. See vol. 3 of Kopelev’s memoirs, Ease My Sorrows, p. 18 (1983):

  80. RF's Gravatar RF
    June 14, 2010 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    GOOD. if all these “angry Jews” are fuming after ONE chapter, wait for all the shrieking when more will arrive.

  81. AngryJew's Gravatar AngryJew
    June 14, 2010 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    @KM

    So when do you plan translating all of the critiques of this chapter? From what I hear, there were plenty. (Are you building your entire “willing executioners” in USSR on A. Solzhenitsyn and Slezkin?)

    When WWII started – how many Jews were sitting on the Central Committee?

    Every single Jew of prominence and/or Jewess wife of Committee members were sitting in a Gulag, during the War. Explain this please.

    After Beria came to power, the percentage of Jews in the Soviet elite plumets to 2%. Most if not nearly all were exterminated.

    Biggest losses in Soviet history are WWII and after.

    Highest number of Gulag inmates is past WWII.

    Millions die post WWII as a result of Stalin’s forced marches. This includes Soviet soldiers who were prisoners of war in Nazi camps! (talk about unimaginable cruelty!).

    Now explain this. Soviet Revolution. Civil War. How many millions killed by White repression and brutality? Take just one example, White Terror in Siberia. Russian Dracula? Ideas?

    Explain this please, common neo-Nazi accusations against Jews:

    1) Katyn.

    How many Jews involved? All lists I’ve seen, maybe less than 2%. No, I am not interested in Jews helping round up Polish nationalists. I am interested in chain of command in Katyn massacre. Where are the JewS?

    2) Holodomor.
    Provide one convincing list. Ok, Kaganovich. That’s not even proof of Jews. How many thousands were involved in artificial famine. How many are Jews. What number of leaders does it involve? Let’s say 100 to 200 managers of such genocides, plus a leadership of say 30 people.

    Show me how many were Jews, besides false lists, unproven lineage, and two or three big Jewish names.

    I’m all ears, and want to hear your fact based arguments.

    Thank you.

  82. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    June 14, 2010 - 1:59 am | Permalink

    Russians have had a problem with Chechens and other southern ethnics in their armed forces. The non-White Muslims are tough, and play ethnic networking games ferociously against ethnic Russians, who are generally “good kid” types who play by the rules, don’t network and don’t stand by each other. The result is that it doesn’t take many Muslims in a unit before networking makes them all non-coms and the plight of the Russians ruled over by a hostile local elite becomes desperate.

    The solution is to break up the Chechens. The White / Russian officer class has to do this. However many Chechens it takes to become a hostile elite, the maximum number of then in a given unit has to be a bit less than that. Otherwise the unit basically ceases functioning and you get high suicide and desertion rates from the Russians.

    Source: StrategyPage, not recently, and I do not intend to trawl through years of archives for a link.

    Russians are about as nationalistic and healthy in their attitudes as any group of Whites you will find. (And God bless theme every one.) So this appears to be a White characteristic: playing by the rules instead of ethnic networking.

    That’s a good quality if the ruling elite is White and protects its own kind, which would generally be in its self-interest. But it’s a fatal flaw where there is no entrenched aristocracy, religious authority or impermeable officer class to protect White interests, or where the “aristocracy” under that or some other name is disloyal to its own kind. In that case the condition of oppressed Whites is apt to become desperate, with collective or individual flight and / or suicide being normal outcomes.

    Whites really, really need to fight for space of their own, and they need loyal elites, that not only look like them but are like them, to help them do that. They won’t survive otherwise.

  83. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    June 13, 2010 - 9:41 pm | Permalink

    @Aaron
    when whites become the minority in America they probably won’t be any more assertive than they are now.

    Modern American Whites in mixed environments are not group-cohesive, but previous generations of Whites from ethnic neighborhoods and from the South were very cohesive. I think that Hollywood and academic propaganda portraying cohesive Whites as criminal oppressors has successfully short-circuited the group spirit among Whites. Individuals resistance to the propaganda is not enough. The group as a whole must reject the propaganda to become cohesive. Religion used to serve this role.

    Bolsheviks probably used propaganda against “ant-Semitism” to atomize ethnic Russians.

  84. Edward's Gravatar Edward
    June 13, 2010 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    KM wrote: This translation is very important for bringing this message to the English-speaking world, if only to dispel the common representation of Jews as historical victims.

    I think it shows Jews as historical predators and Whites as historical victims.

  85. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    June 13, 2010 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    How ironic.

    The people who “claim” to be the most persecuted in all history, are the same people who are the biggest persecutors.

    It was once commonly acknowleged that Jews were the instigaters of all this evilness. The timid little careerist historians of today, wouldn`t dare lecture the Jewish involvement in Bolshevism to there students.

    And some of those students, come the NWO, may find themselves in
    Solzhenitsyn’s very predicament.

  86. Murphy's Gravatar Murphy
    June 13, 2010 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    atomize, atomize, atomize.

  87. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    June 13, 2010 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    @TGD
    “But I also think that Solzhenitsyn wrote this as a warning to future generations”

    Agree.

    An incredibly important book, potentially for both sides.

    “But Solzhenitsyn optimistically includes Jews who countered the common tendencies: “I try not to overlook such examples, because all my hopes depend on them.””

    Whoever is helping with the translation deserves respect.

  88. don's Gravatar don
    June 13, 2010 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t matter if it gets translated, made into a 3-D movie, and excerpts placed in the Times everyday or serialized in graphic novels – whites don’t care. They’re intellectually subpar, from prole to elite, they’re unmotivated by anything except the most over-the-top forms of comfort, and their culture is one of death. There’s no beast clamoring to be free, as with the pre-genocided Germans, there’s just a bunch of losers who wrote their ticket more than a hundred years ago. Stop the baby talk of some big arising after the reading of a simple book. If the murder of tens upon tens of millions of them and the theft of their centuries-accumulated wealth hasn’t done anything, nothing will.

    There must come a time when you three or four who float around the HBD sites and who actually grasp the reality of the current situation recognize that your genetic interests are not compatible with these fucking zeroes who roughly share your phenotype. Anyone whose only name for themselves is a mere color doesn’t have long left on this earth, so rename yourselves, look at yourselves as something different than these others, and separate, separate, separate.

  89. KH's Gravatar KH
    June 13, 2010 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Good points all around with an important lesson for whites. I hope it gets translated soon!

  90. TGD's Gravatar TGD
    June 13, 2010 - 11:06 am | Permalink

    First thought: Who or what entity is keeping Solzhenitsyn’s book from being published in a decent English translation?

    I believe that Solzhenitsyn had a dual purpose in writing “200 Years Together.” There is the justifiable claim that Jews and especially Jewish intellectuals had a profoundly detrimental effect on Russia especially as regards the imposition of communism and the delegitimation of the Russian Orthodox Church, which Solzhenitsyn felt constituted the soul of Russia. But I also think that Solzhenitsyn wrote this as a warning to future generations about what can happen when an alien people succeed in deracinating the native population.

  91. Aaron's Gravatar Aaron
    June 13, 2010 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    Interesting observations. I hope the whole book will be translated into English.

    On the lack of solidarity among Russian nationals, maybe it was largely because of the fact that they were the majority in the camps. Maybe if the numbers were reversed, the Jews would be relatively less inclined to stick together and the Russians relatively more. Maybe. My own experience with American whites is that they won’t stick together even when they’re a small racial minority, but maybe Russians are different from Westerners. So regarding MacDonald’s final paragraph, when whites become the minority in America they probably won’t be any more assertive than they are now.

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