Several local papers are reporting today that the original hotel that American Renaissance scheduled for American Renaissance’s 2011 Conference has been pressured into canceling the reservation.
The Charlotte Observer reports...
On Wednesday, American Renaissance magazine said plans for its annual conference are now in limbo because the hotel where it was scheduled to take place canceled the reservation.
An e-mail Cannon sent to a constituent early this week suggested he was lobbying local hotels to refuse to book American Renaissance.
Cannon wrote that he had contacted hotels and that “they seem to be cooperating.”
Councilman Patrick Cannon, Hypocrite
“An attempt was made for accommodations at another hotel but based on what I ask to take place they were denied again,” the e-mail said.
Jared Taylor, American Renaissance editor, said Cannon’s e-mail violated the First Amendment.
“It’s unconscionable (that) public officials would try to interfere in private contractual affairs,” Taylor said. “We have never run into this before.”
In a brief interview Wednesday, Cannon said he sent the e-mail to “update a constituent on where things stood.”
“By no means would I be in the business of trying to violate someone’s rights,” Cannon said.
Well, what exactly would you call relentlessly working to silence your opposition’s attempts to peacefully congregate and speak freely, councilman?
But Mr. Cannon can’t take all the credit, as persecuting AmRen was a team effort.
The news came on the same day that the Jewish Defense Organization posted a statement on its website, saying City Council member Warren Turner sent an e-mail to Charlotte hotels about the conference.
The Jewish “Defense” Organization is claiming that “the meeting in Charlotte is not going to happen.”
I just got off the phone with Jared Taylor, founder and director of American Renaissance, who has assured me that the conference will be taking place, though the details are naturally guarded at this point in the game.
The comments on the news articles are overwhelmingly supportive, including the comments from local readers. Our enemies continue to throw obstacles in our way, but they’re rapidly losing the consent and support of the general public. One conference at a time, one issue at a time, we’re chipping away at their monopoly on America’s ongoing conversation about race.
I, for one, will be in Charlotte and will be meeting with fellow White Advocates, whether I have permission from the JDO or not.
Matt Parrott is the Executive Director of Hoosier Nation, Indiana’s leading traditional conservative advocacy group.
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Dare it be said, but this is good news.
We need more good news like this, much more.
I will be there as well. We need permission from no one and I frankly I don’t give a damn!
Free speech for me but not for thee. Welcome to America in the “New World Order.”
Taylor is leading with his chin. He failed to sue the leftoid labor leaders & labor organizations who were responsible for his conference being shutdown last year. Even though the labor leaders had posted on a dedicated website their intention to deprive Taylor and others of their rights.
What’s even worse is that a couple of the labor leftoids threatening Taylor, and others are foreign nationals living in the USA!
Even a slap suit authored by a brain dead hillybilly would have been better than no suit at all. :)
Agreed. It is time to make them sweat!
Yea, lawsuit is the perfect and final solution, this case would be strictly boilerplate, like no pain, all gain. All our great insurance companys have grown mega rich off these trifulls, and no question Charlotte insured per law. Be surprised if Taylor hasnt gotten phone calls already, of course lowly subscribers wont ever know. In general he is way too innocent, and HONORABLE for his own good, doesnt think of just how many bad, or maybe semi-bad people, or the good doing bad things are out there.
Evolutonary bottom line. Where ever and when ever the falsely named “BLACK” race is left to it own devices, it falls apart at the seems. This is excellent pathetic example. The specticle of the young councilman trying to deny public accomodations to the whole white race in general, is a very, very sorry product of the present multicult fad, not at all surprising as his job of local politician is literally to take as much as posible from Charlotte, NC, and Washington to gift himself and his favored constituants, just like the big boys on Capital Hill.
Would President Obama approve of this, not likely at all, nor equally likely would his own family elders.
Bottom line, : probably within the weeks time before the conference, he very well could see the errors in his own thinking and dito his own racism, and turn on a dime, welcoming the conference. I think this, especially considering he looks the age group of fast learnings, prompt actions, and sleepy at first awakenings to the tremendous values and the actual POWER that HONOR IN ALL ITS FORMS give to any person who choses to use it.
Again, where is the “civil rights” division of the so-called U.S. Justice Department, when the civil rights of White Americans are violated?? This event should go forward, even if it has to be held in a rented tent in a farm field. Where there is a will, there is a way…
The event WILL go forward just as it did last year. Our civil rights will continue to erode as long as we remain silent. Jared does need to sue. I believe he came under some scrutiny last year due to privacy concerns from the participants. I for one would love to see Jared sue. After the Jared Loughner smear and now this. Enough is enough.
Agreed. It is time for the silent majority to have its “Tunisia” moment. Most of our cultural, political and business leaders are a pack of thieves and pimps.
Ironic how the OO goes to bat for Jewish-ass-kissing Amren, but Amren considers OO, ProfKMac, and any mention of the Jewish Question to be blasphemy and is absolutely not tolerated on the Amren website.
What’s not ironic is that a movement as hostile toward coalition politics as our own remains isolated and irrelevant. The two organizations have overlapping prerogatives. Not all of our prerogatives overlap, but that doesn’t make them our enemies. Do you propose we be opposed to all organizations whose goals are not identical? Should we denounce the Mearsheimer and Walt report because they’re not pro-White? Should we dismiss the victims of the flotilla incident because some of them were non-White?
Why are so many unable to operate on different levels at the same time? Is it difficult for you intellectually? If you invest your money, do you put it all in the same stock? I tend to spread mine out a bit…works wonders. Amren is one of the best publications out there and has a proven track record advocating our interests.
Matthias wrote: “Ironic how the OO goes to bat for Jewish-ass-kissing Amren, but Amren considers OO, ProfKMac, and any mention of the Jewish Question to be blasphemy and is absolutely not tolerated on the Amren website.”
Matthias, one of the most impressive features of Jewish collective action is how Jewish activists across a whole spectrum of causes, often contradictory, often violently so, still manage to further Jewish goals and interests. Could be Jewish anarchists, capitalists, bolsheviks, neo-conservatives, artists, human rights activists, anti-racist movements (in the West), racist movements (in Israel).
This is their genius and their power. We need to emulate it. We start by trying to develop an instinct that tells us when something is or isn’t good for the whites. Is Amren good for the whites? If the answer is yes then it doesn’t matter that their particular ’cause’ rejects KM, and I’m sure KM understands that.
Anarchists abhor order/regulation, it’s bad for their free-markets. Fighting anarchists gives them what they want, volatility/disorder. How else does one profit from markets except by removing regulators which establish and sustain order?
Look closely at The Berlin Wall. It kept anarchists/Libertarians out of communitarian East Germany. ‘The Wall’ surrounded West Berlin which was an enclave within East Germany. Look at the Chinese censorship of the web today, it tries to do the same thing, it regulates,, and it’s concerned about having its ordered/regulated society undermined by foreign anarchists advocating individualistic ‘universal’ human rights. The USSR always said the same, human rights it asserted, were subversive.
Anarchists wreck other people’s systems for profit/personal gain. If one looks at the Islamic world today, it has not liberated women. Why not? The efforts to subvert China in its West endeavoured to use women’s groups. Why is China led by males given that it’s left-wing socialist?
Mr. Parrot: Thank you for your reply. However, with all due respect, I did not propose to oppose, denounce, or dismiss anything or anyone. I merely stated what is observable fact, that by ignoring the Jewish role in the creation of the many problems that Amren laments, Amren is curiously being overly sensitive to Jewish concerns, although I put it a little more colorfully. I’m all for linking arms with like-minded people like Amrenites anywhere and anytime for the greater good, but it’s hard to keep smiling when they treat you and yours like the stag-party whore who shows up at the wedding.
What are Amren’s enemies so afraid of? That’s what I want to know. The chances of a liberal philo-Semitic White Nationalism taking hold in America are virtually none.
I mean, let’s just be real.
What’s really frightening is the fact that many of these guys (Taylor, Dickson, and others) have been preaching this nonsense (to the choir) for over 30 years. And they haven’t gotten anywhere.
I think it’s time to hang it up, boys. It’s over. Liberalism (liberal-democratic capitalism) and race “realism” (racist populism) are incompatible.
It’s either one or the other.
You can’t have both.
Yes, this is (or should be) the last site to carry water for AmRen, especially since Jared Taylor edited the review of Culture of Critique to apologize for his jewish pals.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t74038/
As beautiful as North Carolina is, my suggestion would be to arrange the event in a state where there would be less non-white opposition. Oregon, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Idaho, eastern Washington, etc. (Some great attractions in those states, as well.) It is a shame, however, that Jared isn’t able to hold the gathering closer to his locale.
Its time for a class action against these thugs and hit them where it hurts the most in there wallet..
I just had my civil rights violated..
Ah, how sweet it is – to see Jared Taylor, once again, being shown that all of time that his tongue has spent caressing the toes and other less appetizing body parts of the virulently, obsessed, anti-white jews from the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism – and all of the efforts of his team of kosher certified moderators on his AmRen website to censor any criticism of the self-chosen tribe of white genocide lusting folks – none of these nauseating concessions on his part make any difference in the end.
News Flash to Jared and his fans: Head out of butt time. Either you embrace and celebrate white racial and cultural genocide, or else you will be treated to this sort of ordeal.
Any particular reason why these people absolutely need to arrange their conferences in hotels? Doesn’t seem like a very good idea, since the story keeps repeating itself, making them look like idiots. How much does a conference like this cost? They could probably build their own hotel for that money.
I think you make a good point. Why does AmRen insist on a style of conference that’s so easy to disrupt? Wouldn’t it be better to rent out a hall and have the event catered? In a big enough city, wouldn’t AmRen’s enemies have a hard time finding out where the event was being held, who was renting the hall and who was catering? Aren’t there some supporters among AmRen’s ranks who could secure a hall rental from friendly sources, and thus be immune from pressure by opponents?
Also, it would be interesting to hear from those who are more familiar with the law than me. Is there any grounds for any sort of legal action against AmRen’s opponents? Can a hotel be forced to host an event held by a political organization that they disagree with and don’t want to be associated with? Is it illegal to contact hotels and try to persuade them not to do business with such organizations? (And yes, I know about the death threats made last year – those are definitely illegal.)
“Can a hotel be forced to host an event held by a political organization that they disagree with and don’t want to be associated with?”
I don’t think they can, but being that the two blacks who apparently spearheaded the efforts to disrupt the conference were acting in a GOVERNMENTAL CAPACITY (both are councilmen) it seems to me to be a pretty clear violation of freedom of assembly, a long established component of the first amendment.
How can Amren NOT have a clear cut legal case against the city of Charlotte? Time for the ACLU maybe??
With the possible exception of those who were sent to very exclusive private schools, most boys learn by the age of 7 or 8 that the only effective response to a bully is a good, solid, haymaker straight to his nose.
Amren should sue the whole lot. I bet they can find a good Jewish lawyer from Philly to take their case with zeal and fervor.
“…most boys learn by the age of 7 or 8 that the only effective response to a bully is a good, solid, haymaker straight to his nose.
Amren should sue the whole lot.”
Actually, to stick with your metaphor, to “sue the whole lot,” would mean run to the teacher/principal and tattle on the whole group. You might “win,” but you won’t “advance.”
As long as the black remains a jew proxy/stooge, there is not going to be much success in these sort of endeavors, no matter how much Amren downplays the JQ. I live on the outskirts of Charlotte and have been here for about 16 months.
From what little tv I watch it seems that this city is pretty much in the hands of the black as far as the power structure is concerned, and they will fight tooth and nail to keep such meetings out of “their” town.
At present, the black doesn’t realize he is being used and has been so for quite some time. There is a lot of talk on here and elsewhere how the white needs to wake up. So does the black in relation to his being used by the jew.
The black is like the female. They are emotionally led individuals who don’t know themselves and what they are doing.
I realize most of the agitators against these types of meetings do not actually even live here, but are sent by ykw from their outhouses scattered across the country.
The white’s time is coming, but is not yet. The cities have been given over to destruction, even though such destruction has not been fully manifested as yet in many cities. Neither the black nor the female have the gift of leadership and wherever they are in charge or come to be placed in charge by the phony vote system, is a sign of that city”s ultimate corruption and downfall.
Blacks will be used as proxies here as well given the demographics of Charlotte. NC. Wait and see who the protestors are: it won’t be the local chapter of the ADL, but they will be behind the black protestors screaming about white “terrorists”, supremacists and racists infiltrating their town.
When you see those blacks screaming in the streets against AR remember who is supplying them with ammunition. Typical.
I do appreciate Matt’s typical Aryan goodness and good sportsmanship, however that has led us to the brink of destruction as a race.
YOU CANNOT SAY: “WELL DONE” to those who fraternize and assist THE ENEMY OF OUR RACE.
Without the Self-Chosen, no Asian, no Latino, no African would be a problem today for any of the fast disappearing White homelands.
Jared Taylor desecrated on AR in a vandalizing of positively semitic proportions. Stanley Hornbeck’s review of CoC. NO criticism of the Hive is allowed to penetrate the Semitic Moderator at AR.
Thus angry Whites are led down a blind alley.
In fact note that often the AR front page has more anti-Islam article than what we face in America, namely Christian hordes, Mexicans, blacks, Guatemalans and so forth.
Again that is the misdirection of Whites anger, to serve the purpose of the Hive.
It is believed by observers that Mr Taylor’s wife is Jewish.
While we believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH, unlike our opponents, Mr Taylor has demonstrated that he does not.
How has Amren assisted “THE ENEMY OF OUR RACE?”
Mirmir – by refusing to Name Die Jude.
I was hoping that AmRen’s intention to film and stream the 2011 event live (courtesy of NPI) and make the talks available for download was some kind of new policy to “spread the word” without having to worry about hotel cancellations or interference. But, maybe it isn’t. I hardly want to download a QuickTime Movie of Jared Taylor or Jonathan Bowden being pelted with rotten fruit by bawling student morons.
Save your tears for REAL Champions.
This lovely young Aryan woman is behind bars, why?
She defended a client in court. That is the kind of HEROINE I admire, a real Aryan Valkyrie.
“Voltaire’s maxim ‘I do not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it,’ has become ‘I cannot disprove what you say, but I forbid you to say it.” – Sylvia Stolz
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The irony of it all!
American Renaissance ignores and tip-toes around the huge elephant in the room (ZOG) and is now being stomped on by that same elephant. Was Jared Taylor bribed or threatened to make sure any reference to Jews on his rag-site is completely squelched? Worry Not. American Renaissance has been infiltrated from the inside and will soon become just one more organization, like the Republican Party co-opted by Jews. Soon AR will be defunct, working for Jewish, not white interests. Do you think Jared will get it then? You can’t win by placating these people, we are in a war of survival.
Ciaran stated, “by refusing to Name Die Jude.”
Yes, a great omission. But hoping he fails would be just as foolish. My first exposure to racialism was with AmRen. Call it a gateway drug, if you will. He has done great things with AmRen over the last 20 years. Why must he be all things to all people? Why aren’t the people decrying AmRen creating a publication to fill the void?
“Matthias, one of the most impressive features of Jewish collective action is how Jewish activists across a whole spectrum of causes, often contradictory, often violently so, still manage to further Jewish goals and interests. ”
This quote from Mickey wanted to make me stand and cheer.
“This is their genius and their power. We need to emulate it. We start by trying to develop an instinct that tells us when something is or isn’t good for the whites.”
This one quickly dashed a lot of the hopes the first quote inspired. Why? Not because it isn’t a good quote. It is. The problem is what it implies, or practically states, though without knowing it.
Because, obviously, habits (and that’s the right word) take a very, very long time to develop in any collective.
The problem clearly is that the instinct for racial self-preservation for Whites is so weak that it has reached the mal-adaptive stage. And yet, this rather unsettling, upleasant, and disturbing fact, evokes no answering emotion in most Whites.
Well, of course, that’s why it has reached the mal-adaptive stage.
It’s the decadence and nihilism the great 19th century European thinkers like Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche warned us about. And it was European man they were concerned with. It’s a shameless and corrupt timidity mixed with self-deception that refers to itself as “Progress.”
I would say that the our situation requires far more courage than hope.
The one thing we do have going for us is that the behavior of the hostile elite and their dependents is equally mal-adaptive.
Careful that it’s not just incitement of (i.e recruitment to) anarchism aka Libertarianism. Any smart, small group can profit from such anarchism (especially in an Open Society) to the extent that there’s still a much larger outgroup in public authority to subvert (if not asset strip/privatise). The anarchists’ own group cohesion is probably sustained because of their small size and their collective battle against the much larger group which appears to sustain the status quo.
Still, one can, and one does, see considerable internal dissent. What matters is that overall, that dissent is still grist to the anarchists’ (Libertarians’) mill.
If recollection is correct last year the haters hid their identities by means of anonymous threats. Now they have crawled from beneath the rocks. AmRen has two self proclaimed targets, the JDL and the dumb loose Cannon.
Yes, the answer is sue them. These curs have interfered with a contract and violated a Constitutionally guaranteed right of assembly. It should not be too hard to find a contingency fee lawyer to nail them, or at least, run them up a substantial stack of legal fees. It is bad policy to give away liberty. If you have to lose it, part with it dearly.
As Keith Alexander often says on the Political Cesspool: The only thing a liberal understands is the sound of a closing purse. That applies also to his now empty purse. Make them pay. They understand that.
Hey Guys this is a world wide problem.In Australia some Muslim artist rented a hall in Melbourne (4 million people) to show an art exhibition about the persecution of Palestinians and the Local Jewish Colony threatened the owners of the hall and stopped the exhibition .At the moment they use lawyers but we can be sure if guns and bombs are required the Zionists and other undesirables will play the goon.
Taylor might be worse than weak on the Jewish thing, but he introduced me to the paradigm. Wouldn’t be here if not for him, and I bet there are plenty more who can say that.
Perhaps, this could be a blessing in disguise if Jared Taylor puts white genocide out front, instead of acting as if anti-whites can be reasoned with. They can’t. It’s not a closing purse, they fear. It’s a consistent message, that will tear them apart.
Good points, made by the posters who asked why the AR conferences tend to schedule their gatherings at hotels – which are subject to last minute cancellations as the owners are intimidated by the anti-white enemies of our people. I would think a far better arrangement – and a long term solution – would be for a fund-raising drive to be launched, to solicit donations that could then be dedicated to the purchase of a piece of private property, and on that property – a suitable meeting hall could be erected. This would not have to start out as a hugely expensive or luxurious project – but, as time passed and as more donations were accumulated – upgrades and improvements could be initiated a few at a time, as the budget permitted, and eventually, the AmRen Conferences would have themselves a meeting location and perhaps even an official national headquarters. Heck, I’m sure there are plenty of carpenters and talented electricians and heating & cooling systems professionals and plumbers in the White Nationalist community – who’d be willing to donate a few days out of each year to help with this project.
Hey, if Mr. Peanut can donate his time to help blacks build houses, why can’t white nationalists do the same for their own people and for our cause?
This idea has been discussed. What I was told is that one could run the risk of having the property seized. This would not surprise any of us.
Pamela’s right. I think at this point in American history, “racist” organizations like AmRen are not allowed to own property like land with buildings on it.
Legally they are, of course, but in reality as soon as a pro-white group were to build something like that, they become a huge target of the SPLC, with the blessing of the government. They will go to any length to tie the pro-white group to any “hate crime” they can find, any spray painted swastika on a synagogue in a 1000 mile radius, thus finding grounds to put the group out of business and seize the property.
So in practice, in reality, pro-white groups are not allowed to own property in this country.
No, Viktor, if the property is in Texas or Florida, all you have to do is put the property in the name of an individual, and the property can never be taken away except for failure to pay property taxes or the mortgage.
the last time this happened there were suggestions to rent facilties from a government resort, like the national park service which has or had grand hotels, like in Grand Canyon or Yosemite, or states, some of which have great places, like Asilomar in California.
Matthias,
Much love for your witty comments! Where indeed are Jared’s kosher friends when he needs them?????
This Thomas Jefferson quote graces the AmRen main page: “There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.” That Jared Taylor, what a sense of humor he has.
I’m very confused here, Matt. Exactly what part of this are we supposed to be most upset about?
1. Non-whites behave in character for the x to the nth power time by trying to stifle white people from exercising free speech? This is not news. There’s an antique ADL letter dating back to the 1930s that documents Jews engaged in this behavior with Madison Grant. This propensity on the part of Jews and negroes is well known.
2. The brain dead non-movement behaves in character for the x to the nth power time by trying to schedule a conference in an area where non-whites are known to have extensive local political clout, thus making pro-whites look like losers for the nth to the x power times?
Coming twice in a row I think there is a reasonable suspicion that Jared Taylor has concluded the publicity resulting from a publicized cancellation for PC reasons is more valuable to him than actually holding the conference.
Speaking for myself and my kids, I see absolutely no reason to pay the slightest attention to a man or group so weak and witless that he/they can’t compel a hotel to fulfill its contract with his group.
I can only close by observing that Taylor recently prostrated himself kowtowing before the same Jewry that circulated the letter I referred to above.
Screw’em. In my opinion he richly deserves this outcome (but not any donations or subscriptions).
I can tell you every time that Jared Taylor gets to talk on TV the opposition say to each other “good thing the white nationalists don’t have any more like him!”. His presentation and delivery are excellent, it’s not so easy to answer questions without stumbling over words.
Jared Taylor in 2010, talking about the last time – Unpopular free speech.
Note how the interviewer keeps asking him “who do you think is behind it ?”, they wanted him to ‘name the Jew’.
Taylor may not actually believe that it is correct to attribute causality to ‘the Jew’. Maybe he thinks that white guilt is the thing that needs to be tackled, (not an entirely ridiculous viewpoint). You may or may not be correct about Taylor’s motivation but he isn’t faking the opposition campaign or the hotels’ responses, that’s for real.
One solution is to have the meetings, presentations at an undiclosed location near some hotels. People attending the Amren conference wouldn’t have one official hotel to stay at, instead listing 3 or 4. Leftists can’t pressure hotels to cancel conferences because no hotel is sponsoring a conference.
The key to success is to have a number of halls to provide the speeches, presentations and have private bus lines shuttle guests to the conference halls. Leftists, JDO types will still try to find out the secret halls, disrupt transportation, attack guests, but they will not be able to cancel the whole conference just by making phone threats to individual hotels.
Here is the original Charlotte Observer article announcing the AmRen meeting: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/20/1993449/white-nationalists-to-meet-in.html
@ Ex-Pro White Activist
I’m very confused here, Matt. Exactly what part of this are we supposed to be most upset about?
1. Non-whites behave in character for the x to the nth power time by trying to stifle white people from exercising free speech? This is not news. There’s an antique ADL letter dating back to the 1930s that documents Jews engaged in this behavior with Madison Grant. This propensity on the part of Jews and negroes is well known.
2. The brain dead non-movement behaves in character for the x to the nth power time by trying to schedule a conference in an area where non-whites are known to have extensive local political clout, thus making pro-whites look like losers for the nth to the x power times?
Coming twice in a row I think there is a reasonable suspicion that Jared Taylor has concluded the publicity resulting from a publicized cancellation for PC reasons is more valuable to him than actually holding the conference.
Speaking for myself and my kids, I see absolutely no reason to pay the slightest attention to a man or group so weak and witless that he/they can’t compel a hotel to fulfill its contract with his group.
I can only close by observing that Taylor recently prostrated himself kowtowing before the same Jewry that circulated the letter I referred to above.
Screw’em. In my opinion he richly deserves this outcome (but not any donations or subscriptions).
There’s something to that, but be careful. If you get to shrill, you start sounding like a loser who rants knowingly about the do’s and don’t's of organizing from the safety and anonymous comment threads.
Edit: “safety of anonymous comment threads.”
AmRen is a Jewish front group.
Jared Taylor’s wife is most likely Jewish. Her name is Evelyn Rich.
In case you haven’t see the actual post on the American Renaissance site
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/01/white_nationali_5.php
Trouble is the other side manages to come up with slippery logic that we never seem to be able to fight. It’s the same problem the people in the Arab countries have (had?). Be sure to forcefully distinguish the Islamic colonization of Europe with other issues when considering Arab peoples in, and staying en masse, in their geographic regions. In that regard, we have similar issues of fighting oppression, whether there or here.
Sorry. Let me try this again.
Trouble is the other side manages to come up with slippery logic that we never seem to be able to fight. This is the same problem the people in the Arab countries have, (or maybe I should say had).
When we in the West consider these issues, we need to forcefully distinguish the Islamic colonization of Europe versus considering Arab peoples in, and living and staying en masse, in their geographic regions.
If we make this distinction, then we will see that some of our major problems are the same as theirs. They always are (were) talked around with fancy logic, the result being that the people were horrifically short-changed in their rights, while the authorities somehow made everything sound ok. That’s what’s going on here in the US, particular with this American Renaissance conference. (It’s the authorities and the quasi-authorities. But one thing that is for absolutely sure. It’s not justice.)
US President Barack Obama says: “I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters … The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association. The right to free speech and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights.”
Obama failed to mention that we do not have these rights here in the US.
(The above Obama quote as reported at http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/28/liveblog-egypts-protests-erupt )
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, said the stability of Egypt was “extremely important but not at the price of freedom of expression.”
The German chancellor is seriously disconnected from the cruel unjust reality in her own country.
I’m afraid it is indeed all tied up with the cruel unjust reality of Jewish influence:-
Basically they are going to remove strong central authority and have the Arab states dissolve into feuding sectarian statelets which are no threat to Israel . The article ‘Survival of national sentiment in the UK’ shows the effect of a somewhat similar strategy for the West European states: regionalism.
The current unrest in Tunisia and Egypt ais quite separate, and stems form the youth bulge, (Gunnar Heinsohn predicted it).
Israel and hence Germany don’t want a strong popular government in Egypt.
“….Perhaps, this could be a blessing in disguise if Jared Taylor puts white genocide out front, instead of acting as if anti-whites can be reasoned with….
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By now— the opposition would be on msm, would have choked up the LIES told just a week ago AT THE RALLY IN AZ, and would have used that to show another instance within a week of PERSECUTION, and would demand it be known to the American larger audience.
Sorry, but use it or lose it. You can moralize forever, but the opposition would have seized the moment, not just talked about how bad people are, how uncivil, etc. His name was on MSM just a week ago. Keep it fresh.
“…Trouble is the other side manages to come up with slippery logic that we never seem to be able to fight…”
Yes. B/c they do not care about logic. They “want what they want.’ Get a head of steam, get moral, shriek this happened just last week in AZ! Demand msm and attorneys deal with defamation. Be very loud. Forget logic. Just win.
“Yes. B/c they do not care about logic. They ‘want what they want.’ Get a head of steam, get moral, shriek this happened just last week in AZ! Demand msm and attorneys deal with defamation. Be very loud. Forget logic. Just win.”
They’ve sure lost in the Arab world. There is not one bit of doubt about that. And the US in supporting them and being basically controlled and owned by them, is losing big and scary in the Arab world. Our leaders, from Obama to HIllary to 90 percent owned members of Congress, all of them are putting on a careful face, with strange language coming out of it. But this is big time, what has happened and is happening right now, in the Arab world.
“The Al Jazeera Network has called for the Egyptian authorities to allow them to freely cover the events currently unfolding in the country.
The global satellite network has reported that their live channel Al Jazeera Mubasher was this morning (Friday) removed from the Nilesat platform from which the public receive television channels. This was after the channel was originally moved to different frequencies, the Network said in a press release issued on Friday.
In addition, the Network’s bureau in Cairo had its telephone landlines cut, and its main Arabic news channel has also faced signal interference.”
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/201112905011136896.html
The same thing that is happening to the American Renaissance conference.
One thing is for certain, this is clear evidence that White people ARE NOT ALLOWED to organize for their ethnic interests. The concept of “White” may be different to different people, but for whatever reason, it exists the same way that black, Jewish, Muslim, French, etc exists. The difference between the White identity and all the other groups is that it’s pretty much illegal to organize for White interests (while other groups are encouraged and even funded by American tax money to do so). Americans are literally having their Constitutional rights violated by the forces of anti-Whiteness. This system of anti-Whiteness apparently runs high up judging by the response of federal law enforcement? There is obviously NO PRESSURE ON ANYONE to defend the Amren conference-goer’s rights. The law does not work for them.
White people are supposed to accept that they have no right to pursue their own political, cultural, and economic interests. Whites are told that they must live in a state of total “tolerance,” while everybody else (Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims, Asians, etc) are free to engage in identity politics and live by tribal rule-sets.
Whites are blamed for every act of evil in history, but, if they attempt to defend themselves from these accusations are then told that Whites (as a people) don’t even exist. Whites are nothing but a “social construct.” So Whites are blamed as “white” for events in history but denied this same identity when they attempt to present their own narrative.
To atone for their evil history Whites must celebrate their own demise (“diversity is strength”) and accept mass immigration from the “developing world” into White countries and only White counties! Whites must then “assimilate” these immigrants into their communities, schools, work places, churches, and genetic material.
Whites are given no choice regarding this program of forced diversity. They must accept forced diversity from the “developing world” and are not allowed to even discuss whether or not this is good for their children’s future.
What this is is genocide by forced assimilation (Or genocide by forced diversity).
Of course, anyone who opposes this program of genocide by forced assimilation/diversity is a “racist,” and therefore “ANAZIWHOWANTSTOKILLSIXMILLIONJEWS.”
The people who call Whites “racist” claim they are “anti-racist.”
What they are is anti-White.
“Anti-racism” is a code for anti-White.
Just remember, anarchists/Libertarians undermine the ruling class (cf. regulators) and status quo. Such deregulation is deemed good for economic freedom, aka the markets.
One must be careful not to become a ‘useful idiot’. It’s incredibly easily done given the nature of the Bell Curve, the US Constitution, and people’s naive beliefs about meritocracy ‘freedom and dignity’ etc.
I’m just going to spill it out. Don’t play nice or fair with the enemies of freedom. All white interest groups should put theirs ahead of any others. Take control by not acceding to Jewish ‘sensitivities’ or any other group acting as pawns or not. Stop playing by their rules, but use their rules against them. Use the law when appropriate and favorable ie. where their influence holds little sway.
Jared may be a great speaker, but I’m neither going to trust him or hang anything on him and Amren as long as they pussyfoot with the all out Truth for sheer fright of hurting sensitivities or being called boogey-man names. The enemy doesn’t care about YOUR rights. You have to take them and shove it in their faces. As someone already stated…they are not to be reasoned witih. The only thing they understand is power and the abuse of it against others. Show them no respect whatsoever.
If the Amren people want to appear ‘genteel’ towards OUR enemy, then they are of no use to us freedom and truth lovers. People are more likely to respect leaders who act according to the principles they claim to espouse as their natural right. Enemies are more likely to respect that also, once they get a little of their own medicine, which they are in dire need of.
Roy Rhinestone.
That post of yours is a gem. It has good style and brings everything out where we can see the issue and addresses it with solid explicit logic. Don’t throw the post away. Here and there, repeat parts of it, or all of it.
If I were in a charitable mood, I would say that this was a trap that Taylor set for the Judeo-African forces of anti-White hate and oppression, and that he has prepared a massive lawsuit in response.
We’ll see if this is just a fantasy.
Interesting to hear your comments about Amren, which i enjoyed and picked up a lot of useful”hidden” history. The Haiti disaster was in full swing at the time, so I posted this article(at the end of this preamble) which I thought was a pretty good appraisal of the situation. Maybe it isn’t? That’s why I posted it. To get a reaction/criticism.
Well , to my surprise, it didn’t get posted….on a supposedly WN site! What’s going on here? E-mails requesting reasons for non-publication were ignored.
Here’s the article, which by the way, give some idea on the way in which my mind is currently working, as a “racist”
I think I’m a very nice “racist”
To all who take an interest in matters of race, Haiti is an interesting country to study. It’s all too easy to dismiss its present problems by saying they are just Blacks and are congenitally incapable of looking after themselves. The truth, as I see it, is much more complicated.It was the first all-black republic, born out of a slave revolt against the French overlords. After a bit of a bloodbath and some racial sorting which led, eventually, to the division of the island of Hispaniola into Haiti and the Dominican Republic,small scale agriculture got underway.The population fed itself and was even an exporter of tropical produce. Everything would have been fine and dandy had not the US taken an interest, intially strategic, to get access to harbours….and prevent other powers from gaining access. Then the money men moved in throwing cash at a corrupt elite who then allowed foreigners to purchase land in Haiti.That then allows big corporations(American) to set up massive plantations, which drives the self-sufficient peasantry off the land to the towns where factories can be set up to profit from the resultant cheap labour costs.So where before the money men in New York made nothing out of Haiti, now the cash is rolling in.All you’ve got to do now is keep feeding some cash to a corrupt and cruel elite who have not the slightest hesitation in suppressing any opposition by fair means or foul(mostly foul). Despite this, a middle class does gradually emerge, led by Aristide, but somehow or other he gets exiled to some African country, and the country continues under the present corrupt and utterly ineffectual regime, kept in place by New York money men.
The blacks have made only one mistake…..allowing themselves to be corrupted by White money which leads in turn to allowing foreigners to own land.You could say that because they ain’t too smart, they only had a simple pyramidal power structure that was easily corrupted by outsiders…… and to that I would reply….same for many white countries including your own, the US, and my own, the UK.
Although the average IQs for different races, at first sight, seem to provide a ready explanation for the failure of Black States, I say that that is not the reason for their failure.The IQs of blacks may be lower, but are not so low that they can’t make a go of a state from which will emerge a stabilising, more democratic and less corruptible middle class.That is the tragedy of Haiti. They were just about there, when it was snatched away from them. This scenario has been repeated in countless third world countries.
It’s a tragedy for the US as well, because this is caused by the money men in New York and not by Joe the plumber, but Joe the plumber is going to take the blame.
There seems to be two USAs these days…..Joe the plumber and the money men in Heimeytown.
I should explain that I am white and proud of it.
My reason for speaking up for the blacks is that I want them to prosper…in Africa, so that they don’t want to, or need to, come to Europe.There does need to be an aid programme but not in the present form involving the world bank, but by transfer of knowledge, skills and experience.Why so little interest among educated Black Americans(and Black Europeans) to support projects in Africa and Haiti…….to give something back, rather than continually moan and whine for more rights, more money etc? I ask the question, but I can think of many answers. Given the state of the world, my suggestions are probably hopelessly idealistic. Nevertheless, there has to be a better way of dealing with racial tensions than the current…… “let’s pretend there aren’t any”.
ps These people are living in tents and sloshing around in mud, yet beneath their feet are large reserves of oil , gold and copper.
“Although the average IQs for different races, at first sight, seem to provide a ready explanation for the failure of Black States, I say that that is not the reason for their failure.The IQs of blacks may be lower, but are not so low that they can’t make a go of a state from which will emerge a stabilising, more democratic and less corruptible middle class.“
Please empirically (or otherwise) substantiate or explicate the above assertion, and specifically the highlighted bit. Most people do not understand that intelligence ‘g’ is a statistical FACTOR, i.e a key variable derived via massive data reduction.
Whilst thinking about answering my heuristic (helpful) question it may help to read this carefully (noting how it comes with two titles). See the end in particular. Wreckers don’t always know how or that they are wrecking. Sometimes they think of themselves as liberating, sometimes, they don’t think matters through based on evidence, they just dream of what they would like> to be the case like naive, narcissistic children, raging when they don’t get what they expect.
In 1990 Nelson Mandela was awarded The Lenin Peace Prize, possibly suggesting that he is in some parts of the world a respected Leninist-Stalinist (like Mugabe) and not a Trotskyite. But how many readers here grasp the difference or the importance of doing so? Is Mandela content with how policies are faring in South Africa today? Where are its strongest political-economic relationships? are they with the USA/EU or are they with China/SCO? Observation there may be the best (only?) way of answering my question.
Remember what Deng Xiaoping said when those about him were anxious about his NEP Perestroika-like reforms subverting their statism/Stalinism (much of the 1989 dissent was not what it seemed to the Wests, it was anti- these ‘revisionist’ reforms). He said something like (and I paraphrase as he would have said it in Chinese to start with: “When you open windows, flies come in – but can always kill them later”. Time reported it more neutrally thus in 1986:
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Recall what happened in 1920s NEP in the USSR, even Ford and DuPont were in on that. Then Trotsky and other Left-Communist/anarchists (having served their purpose?), were purged (i.e removed from the party).
Interesting post, AWoLsco. Perhaps your article wasn’t accepted because you did not mention that Haiti was an un-salvageable, un-rebuildable self-inflicted ecological disaster even before the earthquake struck: http://video.nytimes.com/video/2010/01/13/world/americas/1247466532047/haiti-quake-day-3-legacy-of-disaster.html
Or perhaps it was not accepted because you didn’t face the facts like the Black=sympathizing, British scholar Hesketh Pritchard, as quoted by Dr. William Pierce, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLOoASAPDg
Couldn’t have been the ambiguous ‘New York money men’. Naw.
No, but you need to look at the bigger picture (population) and try to look at what is being said at the group level (means and SDs). I suggest you look to the crime figures for the USA and UK (and where the murder capital of the world is today, in SA). Look at the USA Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics and the UK Home Office/Department of Justice RDS figures for ethnicity and crime rates (covered substantively and diplomatically by the UK Home Affairs Committee). It’s the same with respect to exclusions from school. Then look at mean IQ of the ethnic groups. Now, think sex and behaviour, and by that I mean the less obvious brain-gender and behaviour, as offending behaviour is a almost exclusively a young male activity (bar booze which rockets female testosterone), and activity which peaks at 19. If one puts people who are genetically built to behave one way into a culture which is being driven or selected to behave in the opposite direction (for good or ill, I say profit) what is likely to happen? This was brought to the attention of those responsible for testing in the UK in 2006 in the course of some research into sex, ethnicity, dysgenics and offending behaviour.
Finally, note that having worked somewhere for 30 years or so means little of itself, its an appeal to authority. I am sure there are CIA, MI6, KGB/FSB people who have all done just that, not to mention those handled by such agencies probably often beyond their ken. One should look at what happens. Show us a success story. Many of us want just that, not conflict.
Matthias January 31, 2011 – 11:30 pm
Good response. Many won’t have seen that there was a flurry of activity in international aid to Haiti from the East and West, with the USA understandably worried it would go the way of Cuba. Mandela tried to make sure he didn’t alienate the White SA population knowing (from what happened elsewhere) that he needed them.
David Longley requested empirical justification of…..
“The IQs of blacks may be lower, but are not so low that they can’t make a go of a state from which will emerge a stabilising, more democratic and less corruptible middle class.“
No previous examples that I can come up with, just a vague gut feeling which comes from:—-
1)Prior to white contact, negroid peoples seemed to thrive all over the African continent without any “help” from the whiteman. Now obviously I wouldn’t have wanted to live in their society, but it seemed to suit them. Was underpopulation a problem? No if anything overpopulation was a problem, which was controlled in a number of ways,distasteful to European sensibilities.
2)Agriculture in the tropics is arduous back-breaking work. Blacks can do it. Whites can’t, or their productivity is low. Hence slavery. If machinery had been invented in time, whites would never had anything to do with Africans.
3) Up until the 20′s-30′s, Blacks in Haiti were doing well.They got no outside assistance. They were self-sufficient in food with a bit left for export and were a population in balance with the environment.
4)Have a look at the photograph inthis webpage.
Does that look like a bunch of dejected moronic criminals? The stuff we get from the conventional news media.Maybe I’ve got my rose-tinted spectacles on, but I see intelligence(and the proposals of the peasant leaders confirm it) and resolution.Seems as though the right sort of people, and they’re there, aren’t making it to the top of the tree.
5) The rejection of the criminally insane offer by Monsanto to supply pesticide-dressed GM seed that requires the use of protective clothing to handle it. I don’t know what IQ you need to make that decision, but whatever it is, at least one person in Haiti is above dummy threshold…and again, just a gut feeling, there’s a lot more of at least adequate calibre, where that came from.
As for the Marxist/Stalinist/Trotsky stuff. Quite what that has to do with the history of Haiti, I don’t quite see, for I have never heard it mentioned. Perhaps you can explicate, or explain even? Perhaps they haven’t advanced enough for that to be relevant?…….lucky them.
You mention S Africa/Mandela/Trotsky here, Mugabe there, Stalinists under the bed, in the bed.All very exciting stuff but of little relevance to Haiti… the first modern black republic, made by Blacks, run by Blacks…. for Blacks. That’s the interesting bit, to see just what Blacks, left on their own, would do. But unfortunately the experiment got spoiled by outside influences.
Just a final observation. Y’know money men must hate countries that are self-sufficient, because you can’t make any money out of them. Let’s see if any of the aid and rescue plans are aimed at restoring self-sufficiency in food and drilling for that oil that lies out in the bay off Port-au-Prince. Then the Haitians will get cheap fuel and not need to cut their forests down for charcoal. Maybe those Haitians ought to have a word with that chap in Venezuela or even old Castro, just up the road.
AWolsco said:
1)Prior to white contact, negroid peoples seemed to thrive all over the African continent without any “help” from the whiteman.
Fact: If “thriving” means African life was nasty, brutish, and short, nightmarish by any standard, then I guess you could say they were “thriving”.
Rating: FAIL
AWolsco said:
2)Agriculture in the tropics is arduous back-breaking work. Blacks can do it. Whites can’t, or their productivity is low.
Fact: Blacks have never progressed beyond subsistence farming. Has Awolsco never heard of the White farms of Zimbabwe or South Africa being the breadbasket of Africa, now ruined because of the ineptitude of Black “farmers”? Sheesh.
Rating: FAIL
Awolsco said:
3) Up until the 20′s-30′s, Blacks in Haiti were doing well.They got no outside assistance. They were self-sufficient in food with a bit left for export and were a population in balance with the environment.
Fact: The US Marines first went to Haiti in 1915 to protect what was left of any business interests, to restore order and rebuild the destroyed infrastructure. They stayed and rebuilt for 19 YEARS. No outside help in the 20′s and 30′s? Can’t you even watch a short video history lesson? Sheesh.
Rating: EPIC FAIL
Awolsco said:
the first modern black republic, made by Blacks, run by Blacks…. for Blacks. That’s the interesting bit, to see just what Blacks, left on their own, would do. But unfortunately the experiment got spoiled by outside influences.
Fact: Blacks were left on their own, with no outside influences, and Haiti quickly went from the jewel it was under White control to the nightmarish hellhole typical of any African society. They inherited a ‘made’ country and destroyed it in short order, with nobody’s help but their own. Sheesh.
Rating: EPIC FAIL
Summary of Awolsco’s shucking and jiving:
Is it any wonder that when one requests any empirical evidence for Awolsco’s claims, he responds weakly that
A. he has no facts, and
B. instead of pesky facts, he uses his ‘gut feeling’.
Well, Awolsco, I have a ‘gut feeling’, too. Since you are unable to even watch a short and simple history lesson on Haiti in the link I provided, one even mostly by a British historian (you mentioned you were in the UK), then my ‘gut feeling’ is since you are too lazy too dig up facts and would just rather make them up as you go along, then I daresay no effing wonder your posts are not accepted in most places, and question whether they would be welcome here.
Awolsco’s overall grade: EPIC FAIL
This ain’t Amren, baby.
To matthias,
I did watch your two videos, or at least part of them, and was immediately struck by the shallow depth of the commentary. Both were like programmes made for children.
As to the veracity of my facts, may I recommend to readers that they follow the link that I provided, and judge for themselves as to who is making things up. The writer has been working in Haiti for 30 odd years. In fact if you follow on to the other article she wrote, she comments about the very false view of the situation portrayed by the world press and consequently the very ineffective aid provided in comparison to that which has been pledged.
However thanks for your comments.
Thanks for your reply, Awolsco. My post sounded more hostile than I intended. I’ll check your link out. Cheers.
AmRen’s Jared Taylor speaking at press conference in Charlotte, North Carolina on Monday, January 31, 2011:
Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/31/2026172/free-speech-covers-all-even-the.html#ixzz1CmVsBnmM
This guy is a pathetic excuse of a White Nationalist.Time and time again this guy has proven himself to be anything but a White Nationalist.He’s much more in the vain of a Jewish supremacist,or technically speaking(Taylor being non-Jewish)more like a very steadfast and loyal Judeophile.
He’s just stating what the research indicates is he not? Why shoot the messenger?
Note, high intelligence is not the same as being ‘good’. Look into the matter further, it’s quite subtle.
Personally I like the Amren site. I’ve picked up tons of good information there. At first I couldn’t fault it until I posted my observations on Haiti, which were rejected. Then a couple of things hit me…. no mention of Jews on the site, and the name”Jared”. Jared Diamond, Jared Loughner, Jared Taylor. Never heard of this name until 4-5 yrs ago….now it’s all over the bleedin’ shop.
The thought crossed my mind that websites, such as Amren may have been set up to trap WNs…like moths to light bulbs.
They seem to welcome lengthy rants against Blacks, Asians, and Muslims…. but mention Jews, and it all changes…..well nothing makes it to the screen.
Now I don’t know about you folks but I’m beginning to think that the arguments with the Black, Asian and Muslim may be but a small part of the current problems of the white race and , in fact its problems lie elsewhere. I’m beginning to wonder if the problems of all three stem from the same scource. In other words we may have a common problem and therefore the idea of suspending innate hostilities(for a wee while) may be worth considering.
Would not the the world be content if the Whiteman lived in N America/ Canada/Australia/New Zealand/ Europe/Siberia, the Blackman in Africa, Chinaman in China, and the Arab in the Middle East? Would it not be to the advantage of all, if for the purpose of international trade we eschewed the use of monies and reverted to a system of barter? Thereby at a stroke eliminating vast assemblages of useless intermediaries who could then be employed in labour advantageous to their respective nations?
Jared Taylor lives in a huge McMansion in Oakton, Virginia next to another house that serves as the “offices” of AmRen.
Being a tool of the Jews sure pays well, doesn’t it, Jerry?
Without question, Z.O.G. And to think I at one time used to donate money to them.
Jared Taylor has hung himself with a self-made noose by selling out to Jewish money though as he’s now incapable of constructing an iron-clad defense by pointing out the glaring double-standards and hypocrisy of the Jewish, anti-White terrorist-agency, Southern Poverty Law Center and Jewish supremacists. I made just such a case (though rehashed from a prior piece I wrote following South Africa’s Eugene Terreblancheon’s heinous murder) on the Charlotte Observer’s webpage carrying the story, but rest assured it will be flagged by someone as “offensive” in short order:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/31/2025762/white-supremacist-group-wants.html#disqus_thread).
Note to poster “Matthias:”
Are you per chance the eminent attorney/book author/financial analyst Matthias Chang?
Thanks for posting that invaluable link to Haiti’s history with Dr. William Pierce’s narration. Thought I’d share with you the following, stomach-churning video series (8 Must-See Parts) on Liberia if you’ve never seen them:
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-1-of-8
And of course, the following “witchburnings” in Kenya if you can stomach watching it (proceed with caution as it is the stuff of nightmares)
http://www.afrikaspeaks.com/news.php?cat=General&title=%5BVideo%5D+Kenyan+witch-hunt+targets+elders
Just as I (and others) easily predicted, under President Obama and his discretionary “Presidential Determination” and assorted “refugee resettlement” programs (see http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=37791&), he plans to increase the import of these thoroughly-compatible, low IQ, destined-to-be-lifelong- welfare-dependents, criminally-prone Afrikaners to our shores as laid out in this typically weepy piece from the Jewish Marxist rag, Seattle Times decrying the plight of “resettled refugee” Somalians. Some choice excerpts:
Refugees face homelessness all over again in U.S.
“Across Washington state and throughout the country, increasing numbers of refugee families — displaced people from war-torn parts of the world — are confronting homelessness all over again in their new homeland.
As part of the federal government’s commitment to helping displaced and persecuted people around the world, the U.S. will resettle about 80,000 refugees this year — about half the total number of those that get resettled across the globe.”
And:
“Desperate circumstances”
“The Obama administration is conducting the first major review of the nation’s 30-year-old resettlement program. But even before the findings are released, the administration is preparing to announce an increase in the number of refugees it will invite into the country next year.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012734072_homelessrefugees30m.html
Jared Taylor is a gifted advocate for white nationalism, a highly educated and personable man who gave up a successful career to found American Renaissance.
“And of course, the following “witchburnings” in Kenya if you can stomach watching it (proceed with caution as it is the stuff of
nightmares)”
The following link is to an uncensored version of the earlier link I posted:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1236902087/Supected_Kenyan_Witches_Horrifically_Burned_Alive