Survival of national sentiment in the UK

More news from Britain.

White activism is not always a melancholy affair. We should acknowledge positive developments when they occur. Recently I wrote about efforts to shape British identity.  Following is an excerpt from a website devoted to the history and prospects of the Union Jack, Britain’s flag.

Perhaps there are lessons here for American patriots.

In the excerpt notice the trend towards devolution, with Scotland and Wales now having their own assemblies. There is also a reminder of the treacherous potential of multi-national corporations (e.g. British Airways), a potential that must be regulated if the nation state is to survive. Next comes a string of good news about the survival and revival of national sentiment. First, the 2003 campaign to give the Union Jack a multikcultural stripe (appropriately a black one) was ridiculed into silence. Second, a 2007 poll found that less than a third of teenagers spontaneously think of themselves as British before being English, Scottish or Welsh. Thirdly, another poll indicates that most Scottish and English voters want the Union dissolved, i.e. for Britain to revert to its constituent nations. This is good news because it shows that multiculturalism has not become a new state identity. Our ancient ethnic lineages still carry weight. It is good news because it means that most British do not identify with the outward manifestation of their ongoing dispossession.

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And it is very good news that the young have such ancient attachments, most likely due to implicit identification. This helps explain the cold fear evoked by the prospect of the British National Party gaining traction, recently discussed by Sean Gabb at Vdare. Nationalism has endured as a sleeping bear (or bulldog) despite everything an unhinged elite can throw at it. And bears and bulldogs are apt to get their way when aroused.

Here is the excerpt:

For the first time since 1707, the Scots now have their own Parliament in Edinburgh, and the Welsh their own national assembly in Cardiff. As a result, the Scottish saltire and the red dragon of Wales are much more in evidence.

Is the Union Flag (Union Jack) on its way out?

In 1997, British Airways decided to scrub the Union Flag off the tails of its airliners and replace it with pictures of jackals from Africa and other ethnic designs. Its chief executive, Bob Ayling, said that the airline was no longer a British company with global operations, but a global company that happened to be headquartered in Britain: “We are proud to have been born and raised in Britain,” he explained. “But we want to show Britain as modern, not imperial…We still have our Beefeaters, but we now lead the world in restaurants and in fashion.”

In 2003, a campaign was launched to try and modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century. The proposed new flag [see below] was the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK’s transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years. The campaign was NOT successful.

2007

More teenagers see themselves as English, Scottish or Welsh rather than British
A YouGov poll carried out by the Daily Telegraph in 2007 found that fewer than one third of today’s teenagers instinctively think of themselves as British rather than English, Scottish or Welsh. But, pressed to say whether they also think of themselves as British, the great majority say yes. Only 10 per cent of the teenage sample, many of them Scots, reject a British identity altogether.

Most people want the United Kingdom broken up
An ICM poll published by the Daily Mail in 2007 suggested that majorities of voters in both Scotland and England now want the countries to split.

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20 Comments to "Survival of national sentiment in the UK"

  1. January 28, 2011 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    “In 1997, British Airways decided to scrub the Union Flag off the tails of its airliners and replace it with pictures of jackals from Africa and other ethnic designs. Its chief executive, Bob Ayling, said that the airline was no longer a British company with global operations, but a global company that happened to be headquartered in Britain”

    British Airways was privatised along with most of the rest of the state i.e. ‘The Means of Communication’ and ‘Means of Production’ during the Thatcher and Blair era. This is because The Conservatives and New Labour were not statists, but Libertarians. The de-nationalisation of the UK is still occuring with moves to ‘devolve’ health budgets to GPs as was done some time ago when education budgets were devolved to Head Teachers, prison budgets to Governors etc. Meanwhile, under New labour, efforts were made to develove power to Regional Assemblies/Development Agencies (NE, NW, M, SE, SW, London regions), all about 6m demographically, i.e. about the size of Scotland, Finland etc, European NUTS (Nomenclature of territorial units for statistics”. No doubt this is all consistent with the (US driven?) Libertarian/anarchistic European Project.

    • David Longlied's Gravatar David Longlied
      January 28, 2011 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

      David Longley and the other trolls sure have a lot of spare time, able to post here 24/7. This Hasbara Playbook stuff is tiresome.

  2. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 28, 2011 - 3:36 pm | Permalink

    The natural creative talent of White Men.

    “Let’s Bring This Place To Life!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pgA8Z7lFVE&feature=related

    Let the others feel the power. You smile and relax.

  3. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    January 28, 2011 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    The Scottish Parliament, as it is called, was designed by a Spaniard and I can’t think of anything Scottish about the silly looking monstrosity. The inside is even worse, looking somewhat like a high school gymnasium. But on the bright side the inhabitants are very well paid for insisting that anything outside of Edinburgh Zoo that can stand on its hind legs is Scottish. If you insist I’ll agree that the SNP leader Alex Salmond is Scottish but you should have a closer look as the pedigree of the Scottish heroes William Wallace and Robert the Bruce before claiming that we are not British but Scottish or Welsh or something. It is the old united we stand, divided we fall and someone wants us down. Otherwise an excellent article.

  4. Thripshaw's Gravatar Thripshaw
    January 28, 2011 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    If England let Wales and Scotland truly secede, the Conservative Party would benefit. Wales and Scotland vote overwhelmingly for Labour.
    I saw an electoral analysis that showed 2 things: 1) if the Conservative party utilized immigration restriction as an issue, it would have won an outright electoral majority by picking up most UKIP and BNP voters, and some Labour voters, and 2) the Conservatives would have won a substantial majority in Parliament regardless of how utterly pathetic the party’s stands on immigration, multiculturalism, or anything else were if the election of MP’s was restricted to England, and Scotland and Wales (who have their own legislatures) had no representatives in Parliament.
    Of course, they would have had to curtail immigration and stop destroying England in either case, and their paymasters would get angry. It’s obvious that Cameron and the other “Conservative” globalist traitors prefer coalition government to real Conservative Party victory.

    Devolution would probably lead to more representative government, which is why the parasitic political class prefer bigger bureaucratic institutions like the EUSSR, the WTO, Davos, Bilderberg, the UN, etc. The globalist schemers reward their useful idiots handsomely, and utterly destroy the patriotic dissenters.

  5. Rod Mckenzie's Gravatar Rod Mckenzie
    January 28, 2011 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    The promotion of Scottish and Welsh independence serves the interests of the multiculturalists and not the interests of White Nationalism. The Scottish National Party promotes Civic Nationalism as opposed to Ethnic Nationalism. The former gives Scottish nationality to anybody regardless of racial background. All over the English speaking world, one sees the promotion of Highland Games and Welsh Choirs. On the surface one would say that finally someone is promoting White culture! Upon deeper inspection, one will see that there is promotion of the said Scottish culture and Welsh culture, but where is the celebration of “English Culture” considering the large proportion of people of this ethnic background, throughout the English speaking world? I think it fits into the strategy of “divide and conquer”. If the powers that be allow the celebration of the cultural trappings of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish. They are keeping these groups apart and keeping them weak. If they allowed true celebrations of English or British culture, this would lead to the glorifying of the achievements of the British Empire and eventually to the achievements of the White race as a whole! The enemy carefully manages ethnic groups by funding them and through the promotion of movies such as Braveheart, bringing up old ethnic hatreds and rivalries between the English and Scottish. Nothing could be worse to the internationalists than representatives of White nations to get together and publicly renounce their old ethnic rivalries in interest of the White race. This would truly be a nightmare to the enemies of our race. The native ethnic groups of the British Isles are a unique group that worked together to conquer the world and through their combined strengths, spread White civilization all across the world. The enemy fears a reawakening of this cooperation and works tirelessly to keep our peoples apart.

  6. VikingManx's Gravatar VikingManx
    January 29, 2011 - 8:52 am | Permalink

    Rod-

    I actually think you are missing something. The ethnic revival of Welsh, Scottish, Cornish, and English peoples and their own particularities is a very good thing because once people start getting in touch with their ancestries, history, and culture, one glaring fact comes to the forefront:

    What color is an English person? White.

    What color is a Welsh person? White.

    What color is a Cornish person? White.

    What color is a Scottish person? White.

    What color is a “British” person? Whatever color the enemy wants him to be. Black, brown, yellow, purple, doesnt matter.

    • TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
      January 29, 2011 - 10:21 am | Permalink

      Good point, but you can use that argument on the same level applied to the ethnic make up of English, Scots, yes? You can divide the English into Anglo/Saxon/Jutes/Norman/Celtic/Viking. Same with Scots. So it’s important White nationalists retain their British identity and the Union flag. I’m a white nationalist and I’ll never hate the Union flag just ’cause our enemies have hijacked it.

    • January 29, 2011 - 11:46 am | Permalink

      See the quantifying in problem in intensional contexts? No?

  7. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    January 29, 2011 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    Are racially aware White “Britons” more inclined to call themselves “British” ? I kinda think so.

    White nationalists see the importance of group loyalty, and can see the bigger picture, the bigger fight.

    White nationalists can maybe understand that local nationalism in Britain could possibly be a tactic to divide them.

  8. VikingManx's Gravatar VikingManx
    January 29, 2011 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “Anglo/Saxon/Jutes/Norman/Celtic/Viking”

    Sounds like the English are a Germanic people.

    Moving right along.

    • TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
      January 30, 2011 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

      My point was it’s easy to divide us. You can even divide us by class. Or North & South… it’s all division. Putting division between our people. Example: Ireland.

      I’m not saying we should dump our local nationalism, just that we should keep the British concept as a device for unity.

      TT

  9. AWoLsco's Gravatar AWoLsco
    January 30, 2011 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    Some Greek philosopher said that “The last remaining virtue of a dying nation was tolerance”. I, as a Scot, have been a great admirer of the English, but there is one thing that gets on my nerves….their tolerance and lack of patriotism. They are no longer capable of carrying the burden of stewardship of those Isles, which they did very well for a few hundred years. But now they are old, corrupt and degenerate. Something which has not reached Scotland to such a degree. And even if it does, Scotland being a smaller country, it will be spotted very quickly and excised.
    For that reason…..to save itself from the English cancer…it MUST go it alone. But it will not be alone. It will return to its old friends and partners before it united with England…. Scandinavia, the Baltic and Russia…a land of immense opportunity.
    The English must recognise that Scotland’s loyalty in the past has always been conditional. It’s written into the very Act of Union….and many of those conditions are not being met…..sorry to say.

  10. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    January 30, 2011 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

    While as an (obvious) ethnic Scot I applauded the devolution move, I also agree with the other posters that it’s promoted as a divide and conquer to make the UK less able to resist being a province of the EU. So I find myself a bit torn over it. In another time or place, I would be more comfortable supporting repeal of the Act of Union 1707 and simply revert to a personal union; Scottish people may scarcely note the difference, since the Queen of England would still be the Queen of Scotland as well.

    But this reminds me of why I dont call myself a white nationalist. I do support celebrating particular ethnicities (yes, this includes English) over a ‘pan-white’ nationalism that has little precedent in history.

  11. AWoLsco's Gravatar AWoLsco
    January 30, 2011 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Well Scotsman , Please go and read your history. Your vision is far too limited. Your forbears went to Russia and made a good living there. Kronstadt, the base of the Russian navy was virtually a little Scotland. Time for Scotland to branch out and spread its wings. There are opportunities for those who will take the trouble to learn languages especially in Russia… the new land of opportunity. England is now rubbish and so are the US and Canada. The thing to watch is “Are Putin, and his successors, Russian nationalists?” If so, then there will be opportunities for Scots, who in the past, integrated seamlessly into Russian society. For they have no wish to subvert that society in any way whatsoever.

  12. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    January 30, 2011 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I don’t share some WNs view of Russia as some great white hope. The best argument they have is that its less screwed up. But 70 plus years of rule by the 1910s old left had its own negative effects. It is also fundamentally an Eastern civilization, and I have no desire to become the East.

    • AWoLsco's Gravatar AWoLsco
      January 30, 2011 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

      Scotsman says “Fundamentally an Eastern civilisation”…. simply incorrect. The Russians are a white, slavonic (very)Christian civilisation. The Russsians are bright ,intelligent, highly creative, imaginative and intellectual. An old Prussian who had been introduced to the last Tsar, Nicholas,told me that, and I believe him. Communism made them look dull and depressed…..and other, or eastern as you put it. That’s what the propaganda wanted you to think.
      They are not eastern. They are the same as you and me.
      I ask you what Scotsman would serve in the army or found the navy of a bunch of Easterners? The Scots along with the Germans were employed in the Russian army kicking the Easterners,Turks and Tartars OUT of Russia….completing the job started by Ivan the Terrible.
      Sorry old chap, but like many Scots you need to get the books out. I got the information from the old Prussian years ago and have only had the time in the last few years to investigate. You should do the same. Google electric Scotland
      and get to know about yer ain folk…..and its largely untold story.

  13. Rod Mckenzie's Gravatar Rod Mckenzie
    February 1, 2011 - 6:59 pm | Permalink

    I really wonder about people who say Russia is an Eastern culture and not Western like us and that they have gobs of Asian blood in their veins ad nauseum! I would really ask them to define what is “Western” culture. If one defines Western culture as having Christian values, well we in Western Europe have mostly gotten rid of that and the Russians haven’t. If you define being “Western” as being “free” and having “democratic” values, well, you are allowed to criticize the Jews in Russia, question racial differences and even say you don’t believe in the holocaust. Try that in the so called West. If one defines being “Western” as having gay parades, press censorship, promotion of everything third world and jewish, then you are right they are an Eastern Civilization and I like it. On the racial angle, I keep on hearing about these dobs of Asian blood the Russians have flowing in their veins. The last time I looked at a picture of Putin, Medvedev and, Anna Kournikova they looked pretty White to me.

  14. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    February 2, 2011 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    No, Mr McKenzie, I mean Eastern in the sense that they are built on a Greek (Byzantine, Orthodox) model as opposed to our Western (Roman and Catholic) model. I didnt intend it in a negative manner, only that whats theirs is theirs and whats ours is ours. No racial angle intended either.

  15. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    February 4, 2011 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the right thing to remember is that the enemy of an enemy can be a friend. The men who held at Waterloo were Irish, Welsh and Scots. It was not just Englishmen. Ditto for Trafalgar, the Taku Forts and hundreds of others.

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