Recently the right-wing Hungarian government has drafted a new constitution (English translation) which is christened “a constitution for the 21st century”. This constitution is so revolutionary that the European Commission is going to review it because of ‘worrying clauses’ such as the ban on abortion and same sex marriage. “Family friendly, hostile to gays,” as the liberal Euractiv-website dubbed it. Let’s have a closer look of this new constitution and judge it on its merits.
Christianity embedded
“O Lord, blessed be the Hungarian nation” is the subtitle of the preamble called the “The Fundamental Law of Hungary,” a reference to the first line of the Hungarian national anthem. In other words, there can be no mistake which religion is the bedrock of Hungarian society: Christianity.
Crown of St. Stephen
The document states “We are proud that one thousand years ago our king, Saint Stephen, based the Hungarian State on solid foundations, and made our country a part of Christian Europe.” Christendom is called the “foundation of the nation” while the other religious traditions of Hungary are simply “respected.” The new constitution “honours” the Crown of Saint Stephen, which was sent to King Stephen by the Pope in 1000 AD and is regarded as the symbol of national unity.
Besides the beautiful words in the preamble there are traditional Catholic values embedded in the constitution, such as the protection of life “from the moment of conception” and the explicit stipulation that marriage is a union between man and woman. There is also a proposition for voting on the basis of fertility: families with children can vote on behalf of their underage children in order to empower the interest of families in politics. The family is rightly regarded as ‘the basis of survival of the nation’.
Nationalism included
The new constitution is also stressing the contribution of Hungary to the defense of European values: “We are proud that this people fought in defence of Europe for many centuries and, through its talent and diligence, has contributed to the enrichment of the common European heritage.” Last year the Hungarian Parliament already rejected a socialist proposal to write punishment for holocaust denial into the constitution. The Hungarian governing party Fidesz, which won a landslide victory in 2010 and has a two third majority in Parliament now, is tipping the balance from collective shame to national pride. And waiting in the wings is Jobbik, a populist Hungarian ethno-nationalist party which has had links to the British National Party. Jobbik polled nearly 17% in the 2010 elections and is the third largest party in Hungary.
The Hungarian government emphasizes that the Hungarians respect the Lisbon Treaty of 2007, but that any further infringement of Hungarian autonomy beyond ‘Lisbon’ should be supported by a two-thirds majority in the Hungarian Parliament and essentially (and rightly) regarded as a change in the constitution of the country. A further sign of Euro-scepticism is the proposal to write into the constitution that the Forint is the Hungarian currency. This is no surprise as the Euro is suffering the greatest crisis since its introduction in 2002.
Hungary different from Turkey?
No conservative in his right mind will doubt the benefit of the new constitution for the Hungarian people: it strengthens the family and promotes self-governance and national pride. In the not so distant past, these values were commonplace in Europe and embraced by the ruling elite. Now the elites have changed and have become dismissive of these values, which it considers old-fashioned and backward.
While the European Commission is critical of Hungary’s ‘new’ overt Christian and nationalist constitution, it is painstakingly trying to introduce Turkey into the European Union, although Turkey is even more outspoken about its national and religious identity then the Hungarians. The fact that the European Commission turns a blind eye on Turkey but critical of
Hungary is no surprise since they have already proved themselves hostile to Christianity and European identity by issuing a school diary with Jewish and Muslim religious festivals, but completely omitting all the Christian ones.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
Sounds like the author (s) of the new Constitution is an anti-Semite Christian. I bet, this would not be blessed by the Zionist double agent Pope Benedict XVI – nor accepted by the Zionist Occupied Commission. Both have earlier called Iranian Constitution ‘barbaric’ for the same reasons.
A few days ago, Hillary Clinton warned the Arab Muslim nations to stop discrimination against women and religious minorities.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/iran-hillary-cries-wolf-again/
So you manage to take a cheap shot or I gues in your mind insult the Hungarians. Although I could car less about labels like anti-semite.
Hillary “The Whore of Babylon” Clinton has not business saying a damn thing or lecturing other nations about such matters. She is to busy falling down drunk getting on airplanes
The Pope may be tied to Freemasonry but Zionist double agent is nonsense.
This new constitution sounds like a step in the right direction but I wonder why Jobbik chose to vote against it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13122745
“Last year the Hungarian Parliament already rejected a socialist proposal to write punishment for holocaust denial into the constitution.”
That is encouraging.
The peoples of the world need to take their countries back for themselves. America for Americans. Mexico for the Mexicans and Hungary for the Hungarians. All this “I’m a citizen of the world” crap has destroyed our own country and many others.
Unfortunately, the Fidesz government supports the EU membership aspirations of both Israel and Turkey.
And for a very good reason. It will never be Hungary who decides these things, so why waste political capital on it?
Gabor
I answered your points concerning the Japanese vis a vi the Soviets and helping Germany with the war effort. I have not been back since that last post so I am playing catch up. Take a gander. I typed fast so forgive the ommitted letters on some of the words.
Incidentally please use the term Soviet not Russian when describing the system form 1920-1945. Or Bolshevik is even better. You I am sure aware that the use of the “ethnic Russians” do not tell the entire story of that period.
I recommend a book by Leon Degrelle titled Waffen SS on the Eastern Front for further descriptions of who and what Stalin used on his battlefields as cannon fodder from 1942-1944.
Those Asiatics he used were forced conscripted. They were not volunteers and those people copuld have cared less about what happened in Minsk Smolensk and Kiev
On this point here. One has to start somewhere in fighting against the anti-Nationalism of the new EU and Hungary as well as many other countries will be moving in this direction.
Hardly a waste of political capital. I assume you come to this site as a honest believer on our cause of Freedom thru Nationalism and European based White Unity of the USA and Europe.
If you come as a deceiver and shylock then I have nothing more to say.
The only countries that will block Turkey’s accession to the EU are Germany, France, Greece, or Cyprus. (though Greece can always be blackmailed by the UK)
I do agree with one of Hauser’s points about saying Soviet instead of Russian. Most of the people I know who grew up behind the Iron Curtain hate Russians (even in Orthodox countries like Bulgaria). This isn’t totally irrational, but I think that it is important to note that the Soviet Empire was NOT a continuation of the Russian Empire. The Russians themselves were occupied by the Soviets. Today’s Eastern Europeans must have normal relations with Russia.
In Hungary the Jobbik party wants normal relations with Russia. I think the Russians are much less hated (if at all) than twenty years ago. Maybe the Poles and the Baltic peoples still hate them, but not the Hungarians.
@Paul Hausser: I will answer there, since it’s offtopic here, but probably not today.
Encouraging indeed! But I wonder, together with Jeff above here, why did Jobbik vote against it?
Could it have been for strategic reasons? I.e., to try and deflect direct EU attack? (a la the EU response to Jorg Haider being elected in Austria)
Perhaps Jobbik thinks Christianity is part of the problem, a kind of pre-liberalism?
Their manifesto doesn’t seem to indicate that: http://jobbik.com/temp/Jobbik-RADICALCHANGE2010.pdf
They thought it didn’t go far enough, or didn’t include a lot of important things. For example they wanted to include in the new constitution a ban on political activity for all people who had formerly held higher positions in the communist dictatorship, they wanted to include the right of self-determination for Hungarians living in the neighboring countries, the inalianability of agricultural lands (no foreigners should be able to buy it – it would have been a direct contradiction against the EU treaty), etc.
I didn’t find most of their reasons very convincing, so I think it must have been a strategic move: first, to deflect further EU criticism, second, to strengthen their brand (if they vote for everything the government stands for, why would anybody want to vote for them..?), and third, to make it possible for themselves in the future to change the constitution, should they get a two-thirds majority. (This prospect does not look very realistic, but again, just a few years ago even their presence in Parliament didn’t look very realistic, let alone them being the third strongest party with 17% of the vote…)
It’s too early to celebrate yet. They’re only at the draft stage and the European Union has its own constitution that may override the one the Hungarians are proposing. What can we do to encourage them? Write to our MEPs?
On another point, I don’t think we can go back on Europe, for economic reasons, and it satisfies our racial agenda, so making the choice of currency a constitutional principle is not realistic, current problems notwithstanding.
It’s extremely realistic, LL. Particularly after the Euro goes the way of all debt-based Ponzi paper. And with it a globalist scam called wide open-borders “Europe”.
It’s not JUST a matter of introducing a new currency. You also must ensure that your own people are disciplined enough not to hoard Euros out of country before you do it (creating a run on all domestic banks), AND you’d need China style currency controls to prevent European banks from destabilizing your currency through speculation.
Is Hungary a powerful enough country to do that?
It’s absolutely realistic and precisely for economic reasons. A single currency for all those different countries always was a bad idea as is currently being proved. There can never be a single european monetary policy that is good for all of the individual european countries at the same time.
On top of the economic argument a nation is not free unless it controls its own currency with its own issuing bank i.e not a private banking cartel. The great Jewish central banking fraud is the foundation that everything else has been built on. A single central bank like the federal reserve for the whole of europe is what they want because it makes it easier for them. Thirty different currencies with thirty different central banks, even if they’re all run by Jews, makes life more difficult. Good.
You’re arguing why the euro is bad. And I agree with you.
I’m arguing why it’s a trap and nearly impossible to get rid of once a country has it. Lets hope Hungary keeps its florints
1. Professor Macdonald argues that we have to CHOOSE the level we promote our identity at. If we go for national states in Europe we reduce the benefits of free trade and lose out to other Continents. Europeans are our closest racial kin – the UKIP agenda is a dead end without the Empire. 2. There is not much connection between open borders and a single currency. There were open borders on the Continent when we still had marks, francs and lire.
To compare Hungary with Turkey is ridiculous. Turkey’s Constitution was ratified under Crypto-Jewish Kemalist secular regime on September 7, 1982. Under it, the Arabic language and Hijab were banned. For over four centuries, Adhan (call for prayer) in Arabic was banned in Turkey. All religious madaras (institutions) were closed down. Since the overwhelming election victory of the current ‘moderate Muslim’ party AKP in 2004, the age-old Islamophobia has start melting down. As a result, Ankara has started distancing itself from Israel, the US and the EU. The great majority of Turks are not crazy about joining the so-called ‘Judeo-Christian’ club of European Union.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/turkey-beyond-israeli-hasbara/
Turkey’s people and politicians would find the Liberal Decadence of West with their meaning less fades and obsessions pointless and disgusting (like me).It keeps the sheeple occupied . Our system is particularly organized to corrupt/exploit youth [due to there liberal obsession of anti-censorship ; but that doesn't mean the Hollow Caste and their Eternal Victimhood ] because they become the future-when you control the future you control the present because the future becomes the present . Those from sensible strong families can transcend this celebrity fadism materialist trash , but many Whites cannot (notice its always White Celebrities who are disgracing/prostituting themselves on those mags ? ) and so the pool of deracinated white and inbred trash at the bottom of our society grows-a huge ignorant pool of deracinated nasty drug addicted animals. While our ‘leaders’ run off to Israel and make sure they approve of all arrangements ; like that traitorous whore Clinton.
Any sane society will reject this model and this is what the Turks and Chinese Governments are doing .See its the leadership that sets the rules . But our leaders are frightened to oppose the monied sharks of business and Jewish desire to live in a divided society that can’t refuse there manipulations .
The Push to get Turkey to join the EU comes from the Zionist quarter .With open borders throughout the Middle East , the Palestinian issue can be solved ie they can emigrate to Europe!
I recommend to be cautious about anything ‘nationalistic’ coming from Hungary. Hungarians are very self-serving people with an illusion of importance in central Europe with little regard for their neighbors. Animosity towards countries like Romania, Serbia or Slovakia and myth of ‘Greater Hungary’ is still prevalent in Hungarian mindset.
I certainly see your point, but we’re beyond that. It’s true that nationalism in different European countries will inherently conflict with nationalism in other countries. But it’s value with respect to preserving self-identity (and thus excluding Jewish serving abstract ideals) far outweighs any strife it may cause.
Let’s hope that Europeans are smart enough to see the forest for the trees. Hungary will have to accept that there will be no revision of Trianon, but at the same time, the Serbs, Romanians, and Slovaks can and should grant minority rights to Magyars.
Trianon was probably the most unjust Diktat in the history of Europe, other than the dismemberment and genocide against the Germans agreed upon at Yalta.
Trianon gave birth to the Little Entente, where the robbers formed an alliance to keep the loot.
What is even worse is the pseudo-history that is believed by no historian other than the Romanian ones, concerning Romanian history in Transylvania and Romanian history in general.
This pseudo-history called the Daco-Roman Continuity Theory, is a fraud on par with the non-existent black historical achievements taught at American Universities.
The Poles have been trying to cook up their own little fraud to justify the robbery of one quarter of Germany’s territory.
Trianon and Yalta will lead to new wars in Europe, as the nation states of the West break up under massive Third World immigration and chaos ensues.
If one wants to witness first hand the beginning of the end for Europe, one should travel to Lampedusa.
Its far more complicated than that and in no way so black and white as you put it. There was no real Hungary before Trianon, even though Magyar chauvinists, monarchists and imperialists like to think that. It was monarchistic multi-national entity with roots going back hundreds of years. Trianon gave chance for self-determination of those nationalities and even whole nations as Slovaks. What is unjust about that? Did not Germans demand the same later? Territory was divided mainly on ethnic basis, but of course there was political and strategic angle too, so amount of Magyars was now left outside the borders of Hungary, but same applied vice-versa in some extent for other nationalities. It is also worh mentioning that other nationalities had to face forced assimilation in later years so it wasnt only an act of self-determination but also liberation from this hungarian yoke. Problem today are not Magyar minority rights, but pathetic dreaming about return of this feudal kingdom’s borders, as I said, with little regard for other people inside them. Im in favor of any positive change, but also carefull before celebrating, when such news comes from Hungary. Hopefully we will not see another European war as poster above me thinks.
@European: the Hungarians are a Righteous People: Budapest, 1945. And again, 1956. They will have their own back. And so will Germany, by and by. Goodbye and good riddance, “Europe”.
European says:
“There was no real Hungary before Trianon”
That is a LIE, on par with the Mexican claims to Aztlan.
FACT: the Hungarian Kingdom was to a very large degree free of “nationalities “, having an overwhelmingly Hungarian population until the Tatar dvastation in 1242 and the Turkish defeat at Mohacs and subsequent occupation and devastation, depopulation.
The only “nationalities” in Hungary until that time were the ones Hungary invited or allowed to settle, such as the Aryan Ias and the Cumans. These rapidly assimilated into the Hungarian nation.
The Croats of Croatia were an important nationality, but they were quasi independent, under their own ban.
Nobody in Hungary today or since Trianon wants to reincorporate Croatia into Hungary.
To the contrary, Hungary provided military aid to the Croatians during their war for independence from Serbia.
Hungary was the Shield of Europe.
The “nationalities” that European is talking about migrated into Hungary uninvited.
Just like the Mexicans are doing.
As uninvited, but tolerated people, they had no nationality rights: You either assimilate or you go home.
I always say to people who want to listen that America will have its own Trianon-like partition, occupation due to the Mexican invasion, unless she learns from the lesson of Hungary.
A just compromise on Trianon was forced by the Germans in Vienna in 1940, called the Vienna Diktat.
It restored all purely Hungarian areas to Hungary, such as Northern and Central Transylvania, Voivodina and parts of Slovakia.
Because Hungary faithfully fought on the side of Germany to the bitter end, unlike the Romanians, who switched sides when the tide turned, the Vienna compromise on Trianon was erased by Stalin.
I predict that Slovakia will be the first to be forced to give up some of its loot. It is only a matter of time.
Hungary could have gotten back the Voivodina in 1999 had it
not had a Jew dominated Socialist government.
All it had to do was to only allow the use of Tata Airbase for the bombing of Serbia in exchange for American neutrality when Hungarian troops march into the Voivodina.
The Albanians somehow had the right of self determination in an the ancient Serbian province of Kosovo, into which they migrated as uninvited guests, but the the Hungarians in Voivodina did not have the same right to join the Motherland.
That is not even taking into account the mass murders and ethnic cleansing committed by Tito against the German and Hungarian population.
Hungary lost out in 1945. Voivodina in Setrbia is ethnically Hungarian; so is Transylvania in Romania. so is part of Slovakia. The trick will be to validate Hungarian cultural rights without another Yugoslavia, though that is not a problem only for Hungary.
I am Hungarian national. So here are the facts:
1) In the Middle Ages Hungary (excluding Croatia) was 80% Hungarian, up to the battle of Mohacs in 1526. The biggest ethnic groups (other than the Croats) were Slovakian (or, at any rates, Slavs who spoke a language very similar to Czech), in the mountains most of the territory of what constitutes Slovakia, however, excluding the southernmost part of Slovakia. Another ethnic group was Romanians, but they only lived in the mountains of Transylvania, and the lowlands of Transylvania were still ethnic Hungarian. There was also a sizeable German minority, mostly city-dwellers, especially in Southern Transylvania and in present day Romania, but other parts as well.
2) After two centuries of intense warfare and civil war, Hungary ended up being incorporated into the Habsburg Empire, with it’s population being roughly 50% ethnic Hungarians (again, excluding Croatia), the rest being others. After a number of uprisings Hungary kept its seperate constitution and the Hungarian nobility was still autonomous in most things, but foreign policy and the military (and royal taxes to pay for that) were Habsburg. The lowlands suffered most of the destruction from two centuries of war, and the Hungarian nobility in Transylvania invited a large number of Romanians to Transylvania (especially after a failed Romanian revolt against the Turks in the first half of the 18th century), which has had a Romanian majority ever since except for the southeastern part (the Szekely land) and the northwestern part (neighboring the rest of Hungary).
3) Both the Habsburgs and the Hungarian nobility invited a number of Slovakians and Germans to the middle of the country in the 18th century. A lot of Serbs also came from the south, and were settled in a military organization on the southern borderlands – the southern (bigger) part of Voivodina (Vajdasag or rather Bacska and Banat in Hungarian) has had a Serb majority ever since. By the end of the century Hungarians dropped to around 35-40% of the population (again, excluding Croatia).
4) However, by the middle of the 19th century German and Slovakian speakers in the middle of the country started to assimilate (e.g. one of the most respected national poets, Petofi, was mostly of Slovakian origin), so Hungarians raised again towards 50% (plus Croatia, which was and has ever since been mostly Croatian).
5) In 1867 Hungary became one autonomous half of the Austrian-Hungarian empire (before in 1848 we lost our autonomy after the revolution was suppressed by the Habsburgs in a year of war, with some help from some 300k Russian troops). We had self-governance in most things, except the military and foreign affairs, and there also was a customs union. Other than that, Hungarian governments tried to have the whole country for the Hungarians only, which was a bit foolish. They even tried to suppress Croatia, although Hungarians barely reached 54-55% of the population without Croatia.
6) After WWI with the treaty of Trianon, Hungary lost most of this land, so a third of the ethnic Hungarians actually came under Serbian, Czech, or Romanian rule, most of them living within 50 kms of the border. (With the exception of the Szekelys in southeastern Transylvania, most Hungarians lived in a compact piece of land in and around the Hungarian Lowland.)
7) We tried to get some of these lost lands (especially the ones with a Hungarian ethnic majority) back in WWII, but we reluctantly bet on Germany and lost. (Many in the Hungarian elite were convinced Germany was doomed even in 1940 and 1941, so Hungary was a very reluctant ally of Germany, sending the worst of its troops to the Russian front until the Germans occupied Hungary in March 1944.)
8) Ethnic cleansing and wholesale murder of Hungarians followed WWII in Romania, (Czecho)Slovakia, Serbia (Yugoslavia), and also there were settlements of Slovakians, Romanians and Serbs in the border regions, so now with the exception of southwestern Slovakia there are no larger regions where a border change would be realistic.
However, we cannot accept Slovakians and Romanians suppressing Hungarians (Romanians used to be worse, but now it seems things are to an extent settled there), e.g. there was a language law in Slovakia, where they tried to prevent Hungarians from speaking Hungarian in the offices of 90% Hungarian cities (where the Slovakians are the newcomers), etc.
But most Hungarians, even nationalists know that changing the borders is largely unrealistic, and that the biggest problem is the very low fertility rate of Hungarians both inside and outside Hungary, and the very high fertility rate of the Gypsies.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the biggest problem we have, which is – you might have guessed – racial hatred of Gypsies and first and foremost Antisemitism. Fortunately we have our liberals, excommunist socialists, the EU, and the American ambassadors to assist us to tackle this very large problem, so maybe that’s why I didn’t mention it: I’m sure the problem is already in good hands.
Thanks for that interesting history lesson. I think Europe needs to consist of cultural-national centres like Hungary that resonate beyond their borders. Redrawing borders on the Wilsonian nation-state model of 1919 is unrealistic and unnecessary.
Gabor,
Your presentation of Hungarian history was remarkable.
I plugged quite a few holes in my knowledge of this region of Europe from the links provided by Trianon on this thread.
I do not think your statement: “the Hungarian nobility in Transylvania invited a large number of Romanians to Transylvania (especially after a failed Romanian revolt against the Turks in the first half of the 18th century),” is accurate.
While some Vlachs were indeed invited, others simply came in much larger numbers.
It is very similar to the situation we have here in America regarding the Mexican invasion of uninvited, illegal immigrants. Some employers seek them out as cheap labor, just like some Hungarian Nobles sought them out as cheap labor 250 years ago.
The majority simply enter uninvited, therefore they have no nationality rights only personal rights.
The Saxons of Transylvania, on the contrary, were invited by the Hungarian Kings to settle and were recognized as a nationality with privileges.
What happened to Hungary will happen to us here in America and also all of Europe.
Germany is already a joke, one could call it Bundesrepublik
Turkland. The rest are falling just as fast.
The clause that is missing from the Hungarian Constitution and all other European Constitutions is the clause that would be the most important: citizenship and residency are restricted to people of the White European race.
All Third World people would be automatically and forever excluded from Europe other than as visitors.
Without this resurrected Nuremberg Law all will be lost forever. Trianon will arrive for the entire Continent.
Lights out Europe!
Frank, you might be correct, but it really doesn’t matter. What matters is that the land we had and inhabited is now owned and inhabited by the Romanians, and we have no realistic chances of turning it back. It still is a shame that many Hungarian nobles were foolish enough to even welcome and facilitate the demographic changes that are the reason for that… What can one say here.
Leaving Hungary aside, the population transfers/massacres of 1945 were a great shame for Europe. If you look at Germany and Poland on a modern map of Europe, that is what close to what Germany used to be. The two main Polish cities were Warsaw, under Prussian rule and Minsk, now in Byelorussia. The former German cities of Posen, Stettin (formerly the Baltic port of Berlin) , Breslau (now Wroclaw) and Danzig (now Gdansk) are now in Poland and Koenigsberg is in a Russian enclave. Chancellor Kohl’s acceptance of the Oder-Neisse linien after 1989 as the border of Germany and Poland in return for EU ratification of German unification drew a line under a bad deal for Europe.
I agree that redrawing borders by force is not a good idea, but I think one option would be cultural centres with influence outside their formal borders. Thus there could be a German quarter of Gdansk where German was spoken again on a bilingual basis, though the public language was still Polish. This would also encourage the learning of European languages other than English, which is now becoming the lingua franca of Europe.
Dear European,
Hungary would be satisfied with autonomy for Szekelyfold (in Romania), where a huge Hungarian minority lives and a slight revision of the border with Slovakia, where Hungarians live just across the way. Beyond that, the dream of restoring pre-1920 Hungary is just that, a dream.
@Laz Rocket: I have a skin in the Slovakian border game (a lot of relatives live there, or were deported from there after WWII), but still I would accept something less than that. In Slovakia the whole border change could realistically affect no more than maybe half a million people, so I think even that wouldn’t be so important. The much more pressing issue for Hungary is the Gypsies (it’s a pressing issue for Romania and Slovakia as well, BTW), and the accelerating decline of the population in general (it’s a problem for Romania, Slovakia, and virtually all our neighbors and all European countries).
Without a solution to the Gypsy and fertility problem we’re doomed anyway (just like the Slovakians etc. are doomed), and if we can solve it and our neighbors cannot, we’ll inherit their land as well. If there’s a solution in all of these countries, I would rather have that within the present borders, than extinction and obliteration forever.
I think that’s the right idea, Gabor.
This seems like a double edged sword to me. While I applaud their sense of european identity, any move away from secularism essentially paves the way for theocracy and all of the joys that are associated with that.
You mean any move away from Jewish devotion to abstract individualism will be problematic for the tribe?
Each nation should decide for themselves how they want to live in their own terriotory.
Most enocuraging of all in a return to Christian tradition would be if the Hungarians instituted Catholic social doctrine, particularly as it applies to banking and usury.
About those fifteen killed Hungarians. Were they “franctirors”? Were they attacking the Romanian troops? Were they executed hostages as military retaliations?
You only once again prove my points:
- Kuhn government fell after the Romanians liberated Budapest
- Wilson was very careful to not disturb the Jewish interests in Hungary
- Some fightings (only fifteen dead) had place
- Romania paid dearly the unjust Trianon
What about the Hungarian crimes in Transilvania after 1914? Maybe I’ll discover new things.
Are you serious about history or you are making history Elie Wiesel style: Holocaust, massacre, pogrom, victims, defenseless, old people and children, etc with the only proof some paid advertisement in a hostile rag.
Sorry, my fault.
@Frank Edwin
The Cancer of Central Europe: Trianon
http://www.hunsor.se/dosszie/thecancerofcentraleurope.pdf
Romanian Mistreatment of the Hungarian Minority in Transylvania
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/kosztin/kosztin.pdf
Kosztin? It looks like a very Romanian name. Like a third of the names of Jobbik mp’s which are also Romanian name. It’s funny how we manage to have a Latin names like Orban and Heghedus to be of Hungarian and Romanian nationalists. Don’t you think that it is really strange to have such Latin names in a non-indoeuropean language?
Why don’t you ever talk about the massacres and crimes and spoliation of the Romanian peasantry that led to Horia, Closca and Crisan social and national revolution?
Why don’t you ever talk about the Hungarian atrocities and Transilvania? Or that your revolution in 1848 started with the killing 40 000 defenseless Romanians. How about 1916-1919? The massacres of Corbi-Făgăraş, Ucea de Jos, Marghita-Bihor, Almaş-Arad, Beiuş, Vaşcău, Sighiştel, Giurcuţa, Bănlaca, Poieni, Birtim, Tîrgu Lăpuş, Ciucea, Deta, Boineşti-Sătmar?
How about Romanians saving you from Bella Kuhn and his Jewish rule? Or in fact you loved him because he promised Greater Hungaria? Why nothing about the great Romanian generals saving you from Jews in 1919?
How about Moisei, Treznea, Ip, Diosing, Almasu Mare, Zalau, Sumol, Hida, Hodos, Marna, Cosniciul de Sus, Cerişar, Hălmăjd, Medieşul Aurit, Mureşenii de Cîmpie, Cluj, Huedin, Păuşa, Ciumărna, Simleul Silvaniei, Cosniciul de Jos back in 1940?
How about burning kids alive at Treznea? How about deporting 219 000 in Northern Transilvania?
Why do you change every time your voice with the auditorium? Why don’t you ever talk about Albert Wass praising the superior Asian blood that commends you to kill the “dirty” Romanians?
How about Horty playing between Stalin and Hitler? Are we starting to detail here?
Speaking about the lunatic Wass, if you want our Romanians Mountains back you should know that we are going to defend them – no matter what!
@Razvan: “How about Romanians saving you from Bella Kuhn and his Jewish rule?”
The name is Béla Kun or Béla Kohn (the latter the original Jewish version), but of course we’re grateful that AFTER the Béla Kun regime collapsed and its army disintegrated, the heroic Romanian troops launched an all-out attack on Hungary, occupied most of the country and took as much as they could, looting the already impoverished country bare. We’re grateful and we’d happily return the favor any time in the future.
@Gabor
Hungarians looted Transilvania much longer and never payed a back a dime!
Hungarian army, imperial or Bolshevik killed and looted in Transilvania and Banat.
Otherwise we’ll always expect you at the borders! Liars and killers!
Well I guess that’s the end of the discussion. Just a small factual error: there has never been a Bolshevik Hungarian army in Transylvania, because by the time Béla Kun grabbed power in March 1919, Transylvania was already occupied by Romanian forces. Oh and you must be grateful to Kun, he and his comrades did a great job in disintegrating the common (imperial) army at the end of the world war. Without this little help from the inside, you could never have occupied Transylvania.
Guess you can’t stop lying. Pose as offended and drop another one.
The war between Romania and Bolshevik Hungary started in the night of April 15-16 1919 when the 6th Hungarian Division, the 38 th Huszar Division, Szekely Division (regular army) along with the red guards attacked the Romanian forces at Ciucea – the very hart of Transilvania – Cluj county. Bela Kuhn was encouraged to attack by Lenin who promised help but got defeated in Moldova too!
As in an previous list everywhere the Hungarian army stepped massacres against Romanians followed.
I never heard that the Romanian forces looted Hungary. Instead I read that the Romanians were pretty well received by Slovakians and Hungarians, because they were saved from Bolsheviks.
Bela Kuhn government felled only on 4′th August 1919 when the Romanian Army liberated Budapest.
It wasn’t that the Romanians profited of anything. It was the Hungarians Bolsheviks and the Soviets that attacked Romania on two fronts.
SO once again you lie or you are saddening mistaken.
Razvan, the Scholar, writes:
“I never heard that the Romanian forces looted Hungary.”
He may be telling the truth.
The primitive chauvinistic bubble that he lives in is sealed off to reason, facts and information.
The best source on the subject of Romanian looting is the Man himself, General Harry Hill Brandholtz.
Here is the link: http://www.paperbackswap.com/Undiplomatic-Diary-Harry-H-Bandholtz/book/0966573463/
“It must be remembered that there is much of the naughty child in the Roumanian character. Conscious that he is doing wrong and frightened at the impending punishment, he becomes impossible to deal with.”
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Judging from the Roumanian occupation of Hungary, our little Latin Allies have the refined loot appetite of a Mississippi River catfish, the chivalrous instincts of a young cuckoo, and the same hankering for truth that a seasick
passenger has for pork and beans.”
How about answering the facts?
I was accusing you as liars, proved that you are liars, on every aspect and all you can do is using slurs. Harry Hill Brandholtz was just defending the looters to keep what they looted from Transilvania – especially the Dacian treasures, I guess. The Man as you call him was an unsuspecting westerner, your previously detracted Wilson’s envoy. Was there an Esther involved?
You only prove once again that Trianon and Wilson was favorable to you.
You are ridiculous with your slurs against arguments. Probably your khazar ancestry is what commends you to use the accusatory inversion. I don’t know. Is it the case?
Romanian looting and murders in Budapest.
New York Times archives:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0A17FD385C1B728DDDAF0894D0405B898DF1D3
Oh, yeah, the jewish NYT the paragon of ethical journalism. Weren’t they talking in those times (1910 if I remember well) about 6 mil Jewish victims of a Holocaust?
It only proves the Wilson’s care for the Jewish government in Budapest. Nothing about those 980 000 Romanians prisoners inside Hungary after Trianon – ethnically cleansed in the late century.
Anyway:
- Hungary still retains many archaeological treasures stolen by Hungary from Transilvania
- Of most importance are those of Dacian, Celtic, Roman and proto-Romanian origin – you know they are still there in your “museums” vaults;
- everything regarding Corvin family (most of all – Ion Corvin the Romanian defender of Europe); also Banffy, Pap, Dragffy as denationalized Romanian noble families
- We are interested to regain the Gojdu inheritance stolen recently by the Hungarian socialist government and its jewish advisers, enabled by the Hungarian agents infiltrated in the traitorous Romanian Government
I was an 11 year old boy back in 1956 when the Olympic Games came to Melbourne Australia. Our Family billeted the East German Cyclists in our home in Mt Macedon about 40 Miles north of Melbourne. My father and their chaperon, a middle aged Hungarian Jew, who like my Father served as an officer (no less) in the then recently defeated GERMAN army, became firm friends. As I got older and curious I questioned my Dad over the need for a ‘chaperon’, especially a Jewish one for Germans. He told me is was to prevent the almost certain defections of a percentage of the German boys. Later this Chaperon turned up again, this time as the East German Consul in Melbourne.
The incredibly cunning Jew certainly knows how to attach himself limpet like to the Taxpayers Teat, because much later while on business in Canberra I became friendly with German Ambassador and he told me the East German Consuls were funded by the WEST German taxpayers and a very large percentage, if not most of the old darlings were Jews.
Flippin’ unbelievable, if we had the sound good sense of our European ancestors we would forbid Jews from any involvement in Banking and all Government Jobs, including involvement in Education and the Law. We need to do some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing, get rid of the Jews.
Well, Jews love affirmative action so much, let’s give it to them. They can have 2% of government jobs, law school slots, medical school slots, media ownership, and bank ownership.
Speaking of affirmative action and Jews, why isn’t there an affirmative action program in Hollywood and the media? Almost all the power positions are held by Jews. Of course, I am not naive, I know why there isn’t an affirmative action program, but the issue should be raised. Media positions are among the most sensitive in the country and if we are to truly be a “diverse” nation, then shouldn’t there be more Asian, Hispanic, White Gentile, and Indian directors?
Yes, to Athanasius’ last ‘question’ to Student. I v. much see European’s points. I like CompassionateFascist’s view also. One needs to examie closer intricacies of Hungarian evolvment; but vs. prior, appears diametrically opposite, so they got a clue.And Bolton’s Catholic Church inscriptions interesting; but isn’t Islamic banking (no interest) even better?
I have already raised this issue before on some other site and called it “Diffirmative Action”,i.e. giving no more key positions in society to Jews than their percentage of the population.But on reflection even that would fail with Jews.Jews will simply put their PUPPETS in key positions while controling them in the background as their “advisors”.They do this already with all politicians.Nothing would change.
There is one more important thing about the new Hungarian Constitution – the concept of “national minority” was completeley eradicated.
The old Constitution defined the Bulgarian, Gypsy, Greek, Croatian, Polish, German, Armenian, Romanian, Ruthenian, Serb, Slovak, Slovene and Ukrainian ethnic groups as national or ethnic minorities native to Hungary.
There is none of this in the new Constitution.
So, we can expect that this non-Hungarians will side with the Jews and the EU against the new Constitution.
It is already happening.
I am half ethnic German. Don’t worry about the ethnic Germans, Germans are a respected ethnic minority in Hungary, and they will never support the left (because after WWII a large portion of them were deported to Germany by the commies). Moreover, most of them are already assimilated, they don’t really speak the language (I learned my German at school, not at home), only Hungarian. The Gypsies are the only sizeable ethnic group that will be against it, but they will never support anyone with a firm Hungarian ethnic identity.
Athanasius
“You’re arguing why the euro is bad. And I agree with you.
I’m arguing why it’s a trap and nearly impossible to get rid of once a country has it. Lets hope Hungary keeps its florints”
Yes, i should have noted my comment was directed at the first post.
They also explicitly repudiated the Communist constitution of 1947, and accepted the declaration of the 1956 uprising. Pretty clear signal.
@Gabor
“A lot of Serbs also came from the south, and were settled in a military organization on the southern borderlands – the southern (bigger) part of Voivodina (Vajdasag or rather Bacska and Banat in Hungarian) has had a Serb majority ever since. ”
Serbs became a majority in Vojvodina only after WWII.
According to the 1910 census, the last census conducted in Austria-Hungary, Vojvodina was 33.8% Serbian, 28.1% Hungarian and 21.4% German.
Do you know how Vojvodina became a part of Serbia?
In 1918, the Serbs (who were only 33% of the population) organized a referendum about joinig Serbia, but only Slavs were allowed to vote on the referendum!!!
@Gabor:
“The Gypsies are the only sizeable ethnic group that will be against it, but they will never support anyone with a firm Hungarian ethnic identity.”
I am Croatian, and I know that the Croats in Hungary are not too happy about losing their “national minority” status. Unfortunately, they will probably side with the Left on this issue.
As a Croatian nationalist, I fully support the new Hungarian Constitution, because we could use it as an argument here in Croatia against our national minorities which are extremely hostile towards the Croats (except the Hungarians and Germans, who are more or less loyal to Croatia).
I meant the Southern part of Vojvodina, not the whole. However, a large portion of Vojvodina (south of Drava and the Danube) didn’t even belong to Hungary proper, it belonged to Croatia (or more properly Slavonia).
So it’s true what you’re writing regarding the whole of Vojvodina, but I qualified my statement. :)
I know Croats in Hungary, even have some friends, and I haven’t yet talked to them, but like 10 years ago all of them were rightists.
If you look at the borders in WWII and now, you can see the maximum extent of territorial dispute between Hungary and Croatia: at most modest. And most Hungarians don’t want to alienate Croatians, who are considered brothers (especially by nationalist Hungarians). Just take a look at Jobbik’s English website (www.jobbik.com), on the front page they’re condemning the sentence against General Gotovina.
The other thing is, that to me it didn’t really matter, how many were Serbians, how many Croatians etc. “Non-Hungarian majority” and “Serbian majority” is kind of identical to me, because the other nationalities didn’t help the Hungarians much, actually they helped the Romanians, Serbians, etc.
I am Croatian, and I know that the Croats in Hungary are not too happy about losing their “national minority” status.
ethnonationalism,
May I ask what “national minority status” entails?
Is it just a question of whether this or that non-majority language is taught in schools?
What exactly are the Serbs, Croats, etc., in Hungary going to lose if the constitution is ratified?
It means that minorities can have autonomy at the local and national level. However, I think because the law want change, they just won’t have the constitution around to protect them if some future Hungarian government would like to change that. Or it could be even less than that, I’m not quite sure why it’s so important except in theory.
I think at this point it is irrelevant whether the Aromanians/Wallachians were invited or not. The one benefit that Hungary has gained from Trianon is a relatively homogenous population. Look for example how even in “nationalist” Serbia, the Serbian Radical Party has been not nearly as effective as Jobbik. Look how even now, after losing almost all Serbia had gained in the Balkan Wars, it is hobbled by the Moslems of the Sanjak, Albanians of Presovo, and Jews (not to mention, Hungarians).
Had Hungary kept all of the lands lost at Trianon, they too would have been crippled by violence from Romanians, Slovaks and Serbs (Hungarians only make up the majority in the Slovak ares). As it is, Hungary can influence all of those countries. Hopefully, Hungarian nationalists can see that the ultimate good is to PROMOTE nationalism in Serbia, Slovakia, and yes, even Romania–with the proviso that Hungarian rights be protected–rather than going the Jew-favored route of using their minority to undermine national identity in neighboring countries.
Hungary could have achieved ethnic homogeneity with the borders 50 kms further out, in which case not 65-70, but 85-90% of all Hungarians would have remained inside our borders, those borders would be easier to defend militarily, and it wouldn’t make much sense to push them any further because we wouldn’t want to incorporate too many Romanians etc.
I don’t think most Hungarians really wanted to keep everything, only the ethnically Hungarian parts. And I don’t think it’s unfair from us to be unhappy with an outcome which meant for us ethnic cleansing, mass murder, and loss of land.
Romania is no longer seen as a major enemy by many. They have 22 million inhabitants, we have 10 million. The border regions no longer have Hungarian majorities (except in some minor cases), all we want to achieve is autonomy for the Székely lands in the southeastern part of Transylvania.
Hungarians in Romania have all the rights and not only rights but privileges. Since 1989 the Hungarian party was part of each and every Romanian government; until lately I didn’t deem as an issue which it is starting to be.
SO the legend of the “discriminated” Hungarian minority is a lie!
The fact is that Hungarians are making a lot of state sponsored noise which inflames everybody. Romanians, Serbs and Slovakians.
Equating Trianon with Versailles is just a propaganda scheme. It worked in 1940. But it is still a big fat lie!
Razvan writes:
“So the legend of the “discriminated” Hungarian minority is a lie”
This blind Romanian chauvinist had never heard of fellow Romanian chauvinist Funar, Mayor of the former Hungarian/Saxon city of Kolozsvar/Klausenburg.
The primitive, almost Third World type of behavior of this deranged man caused consternation in the US Congress and almost led to Romania’s blacklisting from the EU.
Enlightened Razvan also writes: “equating Trianon with Versailles is just a propaganda scheme”
In one sense Razvan is right: Trianon was far worse than the territorial truncation of Germany due to Versailles.
Hungary lost two/thirds of its territory.
In fact, the French offered the Romanians all of Hungary up to the Tisza river in 1916 as a reward for entering the war.
Bottom line: without the mindless intervention by the Wilson administration into a war which was none of their business, neither Versailles nor Trianon would have happened.
Neither would the Second World War or Soviet Communism.
You seem to be a bit biased in favor of the Hungarians. Don’t forget, Romania lost Bessarabia to the Soviets.
I don’t really care what the EU thinks… if anything being almost blacklisted by them is a sign that Romania is in the right.
I would hope though, that Romanians allow some cultural and political space for the Magyars– ceding a little national pride is better than having a hostile minority that is subject to subversive outside forces.
If that’s not good enough, I don’t know what to say.
If Hungarians have all the rights and even privileges, why is it that the Hungarian university needed to be financed by Hungarian (in Hungary) taxpayers? For an indigenous population of 1.5 million, it was too much for Romanians to grant it without some aid from Hungary… The fact is, that Hungarians were very much oppressed before 1989 and even though they have been able to get some considerable concessions from the Romanians, they still have a long way to go.
@Athanasius: Bessarabia is now an independent country, ruled by its indigenous (Romanian) population, so it wasn’t quite a loss to them. If the Székely land became an independent state, I would consider it to be a Hungarian country, even though technically and politically it wouldn’t be part of Hungary.
@Frank Edwin Stone
You start with an insult. Still I’ll prove your lies.
1. Cluj – LATIN city – Cluj from the latin Clussius – meaning fortified town. It was not founded by Hungarians, nor by the Saxon colonists. It was at first a Dacian Dava, next a Roman Castorium, evolved in a town – in fact Municipium during the reign of Hadrian. Occupied by the new comers – migratoty Hungarian-Khazar tribes. So you LIE.
2. Funar – the former mayor of Cluj was an University professor (Agronomy). He was not that savage you say he was.
3. He appeared after the Targu Mures events in March 1990.
4.The savage third world behavior you refer to was the behavior of a gang of Hungarians beating Mihaila Cofar – a Romanian – in the city center. Even the nationality of the victim was known, the international media presented him as a Hungarian victim of the Romanian savagery. So you once again LIE.
5. After the killings, mutilations and corpse profanations, practiced by Hungarians against the Romanians immediately after the anti-communist Revolution of 1989, a Romanian nationalist movement appeared and fought against the worst Hungarian excesses.
6. The consternated US congressmen were in fact the one and unic Tom Lantos – Hungarian-Jew, the only Holocaust survivor elected in the US congress. So you LIE.
7. The Versailles treaty was against an homogeneous national state – Germany. Germany lost after the WWI territories inhabited mostly by German ethnic. The Trianon treaty dismembered an multinational Empire -Austria-Hungary. The Romanians in Transilvania being the third largest people in the entire Empire – but without any political or economical rights. The Romanians had the right to die in war, to work to the exhaustion on fields and mines. They deserved their independence and union the Fatherland! SO once again you LIE!
8. Hungarians in Romania have and had privileges (even during the communist era – they were faring better than the Romanian majority).
- The Hungarian party is a part of every Romanian Government since 1990.
- The Hungarian language is used in the local administration, public schools and Universities – Cluj and Targu Mures, state sponsored theaters, concert halls, libraries, parties and cultural associations
- The counties with Hungarian population are getting from the state budget more than they are giving to the state budget!
So, once again you LIE!
Now what has happened with the Romanian minority in Hungary after 1918? And I am not talking about thousands. I am talking about 960 thousands Romanians remained in Hungary after Trianon. Today (meaning 2001 census are counted only 8 thousands Romanians in Hungary. What has happened here? Killings, deportation, emigration, LIES and denationalization. Trianon was a disaster for Romanians, not for Hungarians!
@Athanasius
Romanians are those deprived by their rights – in Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Ukraine.
Romanians are those denationalized. Yet we are always accused of denationalizing others. If it is a nationalist or a leftist forum we are those accused of everything. This situation is a perfect framework for the Jewish intrigue. When everybody is at each other throat, they are picking the “winner”.
This “Frank Edwin Stone” (what a good Hungarian name) is perpetuating some Lantos-Soros LIES, throwing some undigested conservative rhetoric – anti-Wilson, anti-interventionism and so on.
The history of if. If Wilson didn’t… What if Germany hadn’t saved Hungary in 1916? Romania got on the battle ground Transilvania in 1916 and again in 1918! Germany lost the war in the West because they had to fight on another front in Romania. We payed our unity in blood 1 million men and women.
We got Transilvania on the battle field. Not from France and not from Wilson! Not because of Trianon. We lost a part of Banat to Serbia and Hungary due to Trianon and our “supposed” French allies and Wilson!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Romania#1990-1992
Hungarian minority party was not part of the first few governments after 1990, but the Great Romania (Romania Mare) party was. I guess you cannot back up your claim of 960 thousand Romanians staying in Hungary after Trianon either.
And Cluj was not founded by the Romans, the Roman city of Napoca was evacuated and there are no signs of an urban settlement for another millennium. Just as there are no signs of continued presence of a Latin-speaking community in most of present-day Romania. Not that it mattered now any more.
@Gabor
Why do you lie?
Romania Mare (Great Romania) never held a ministerial position! Never! Only minor positions. UDMR had and has many more ministerial position including major ones.
The so called Red Quadrilateral was a media invention, exactly as Romania Mare party was an inventions of the secret services, in order to block any real nationalist party and to discredit the nationalist idea.
Napoca (which is a pre-roman term – maybe Dacian maybe Celtic) was founded by Dacians. Not by Romans. It was developed by Romans and made a Municipium.
The continuity signs. Of course the urban life signs are sparse. Due to repeated invasions and destructions. And due to the fact that after hungarian conquest Romanians were not allowed to live in the cities.
My advise to you is to get a serious history book, drop your Hungarist propaganda. A good starting point would be this link
http://www.friesian.com/decdenc2.htm
You should learn to respect your neighbors if you want respect. If you want to keep your self-aggrandizing history, be it. But don’t expect anything good.
I want say anything more regarding your lies. I have better things to do.
@Reginald:
“ethnonationalism,
May I ask what “national minority status” entails?
Is it just a question of whether this or that non-majority language is taught in schools?
What exactly are the Serbs, Croats, etc., in Hungary going to lose if the constitution is ratified?”
“National minorities” in Hungary (and in almost all countries in Central and Eastern Europe) have some kind of autonomy – special representatives in local government, separate schools, state sponsored media in their language, various affirmative action programs etc.
In some countries national minorities have special seats in parliament.
In Croatia, members of national minorites even have a right to double vote on elections (they can vote two times, for two different parties… lol).
@Athanasius:
“Look for example how even in “nationalist” Serbia, the Serbian Radical Party has been not nearly as effective as Jobbik.”
Oh, it was effective alright… when in 1992, the SRP activists in just a few days forced 80 000 Croats and 50 000 Hungarians out of their homes.
What did you expect…? They cant force every single non-Serb out of Serbia, no matter how much they would like to…
As if the Croats haven’t done their share of evil to the Serbs over the past century. The Croats CAN apparently force every single Serb out of Croatia. (Knin?)
My main point is that though there may be disputes, historical enemies in Europe MUST respect the legitimacy of each other’s nationalism.
@Athanasius:
“As if the Croats haven’t done their share of evil to the Serbs over the past century. The Croats CAN apparently force every single Serb out of Croatia. (Knin?)”
1. I was talking about the Serbian Radical Party, and what their activists did in Vojvodina (where, unlike in Knin, there was no war) in 1992/1993.
2. The Serbs in Knin totally ethnically cleansed the city from all non-Serbs four years before they themselves left the city. They weren’t forced, they left peacefully.
The important thing is that both Vojvodina and Knin were never a part of Serbia. Serbs came to these lands as refugees fleeing the Turks.
But, from the very beginning they were unloyal to their new countries (Hungary in the case of Vojvodina, and Croatia in the case of Knin), and repeatedly tried to annex this lands to Serbia – in the case of Vojvodina they succeeded, in the case of Knin; they tried, but we (Croats) were stronger.
@Athanasius:
“My main point is that though there may be disputes, historical enemies in Europe MUST respect the legitimacy of each other’s nationalism.”
Yes, I agree.
And we should fully respect the legitimacy of Albanian nationalism in the case of Kosovo.
So the Albanians can import all kinds of Arabs? You certainly didn’t respect the Serbs nationalism in Krajina or Knin.
How can you support Croatia’s right to those areas but not Serbia’s right to Kosovo?
We are Darwinians, aren’t we? So, let the strongest win.
I respect Serb nationalism more than you can ever imagine (despite the fact that the Serbs killed some members of my family).
But, let us not raise tensions.
At this point, the Serb-Croat conflict is definitely over. We need to cooperate to resolve the Bosnian problem, because the International community strongly supports the Muslims. So, Serb and Croatian nationalists in Bosnia have no choice but to closely cooperate (as they do).
The problem is that some Serb nationalist groups (most notably the Serbian Radical Party) are destroying the Croat-Serb alliance in Bosnia, with their blatant chauvinism.
The Radicals are openly advocating an alliance with the Muslims against the Croats!
Serbian Social-Democrats (don’t worry, they are not leftist in the Western sense of the word), and their leader Milorad Dodik are much more reasonable.
And Albanians are not importing Arabs. That is pure propaganda.
I support Albanian nationalism in the same way as any other European nationalism. Nothing special.
One more thing…
The Serbs lost Kosovo, but got Vojvodina and 49% of Bosnia (the Serb Republic – Republika Srpska). They are holding far more territory now, than they did 100 years ago.
The best solution for Kosovo would be a division – the Serb majority areas to Serbia, and the Albanian areas to Albania.
Sorry for the off topic.
In a recent syrvey conducted among eight European Union (EU) nations by Friedrich-Ebert Stiftung, a prestigious Berlin-based think tank, associated with German Opposition Social Democratic Party (SDP), have found that 72.2% of Polish people believe that “Jews try to take advantage of having been victims during the Nazi era”. 68.1% Hungarians said YES.
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/poll-european-hatred-toward-israel-jews-and-muslims-is-up/
@Gabor
I agree with you completely on the Gypsy question. Hungarian women have so few babies today while their Gypsy counterparts continue to reproduce. It will not end well.
By the way, you have done a great job throughout this entire comment thread, expressing your historical knowledge and views. I wish more Hungarians thought as you do.
I admit that my second wife was of Hungarian descent (half-German) from the town of Szeben (Hermannstadt).
I met her in Germany during my stint in the 3rd Armored Division.
Her family was allowed to leave Transylvania as Volksdeutsche after they paid the equivalent of 12, 000 dollars to the Ceuasescu regime.
Being a man primarily interested in white racial survival I did not care much for the dislike and resentment her family had toward the Romanians, whom they considered to be occupiers. In fact I knew nothing about the entire subject matter until I met her.
However, intellectual curiosity made me look into the subject deeper.
We divorced a few years ago.
Since then I visited Romania 3 times, for short periods of time as a side tour from my yearly partying in Greece on the islands of Mykonos and Ios.
(I am going to party at KazanTip in the Crimea, Ukraine this summer, the world’s largest party- pure white)
I do not have any animosity towards the Romanian people, but types like Razvan and Funar are what gives Romania a bad name.
There is no need to lie and call others liars in the process.
That is typically a Jewish tactic.
There is no need to invent fictitious history, like the Negro.
It is time for everyone to relax and be white Europeans FIRST and whatever nationality they have SECOND.
No, you are not interested in white survival. You are interested to make Hungarian propaganda. You were saying only lies, I proved it; you failed to tell even only one true thing.
Now, unable to prove me wrong even on one small account you accuse me of Jewishness. Your history is fictitious. I gave dates, numbers, places. You gave only a small dubious press account.
Is your wife German. OK. This doesn’t make you an Central European expert.
By the way. My wife is half German too.
“Hungarian President Pal Schmitt formally signed the country’s new constitution into law on Monday”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110425/wl_afp/hungarypoliticsconstitutionrights
i never saw so manny indoctrinated hungayrians on one page at the same time.
Yes , hungayrian women have no baby’s , they are too busy making porn.
Ignoring the anti-Hungarian propaganda here, let’s move on to some more interesting new topics.
One thing is Gyöngyöspata, where the situation with the Gypsies got so out of hand (like in most places where Gypsies approach or even reach 20% or more), that the municipality asked an auxiliary police force (called “civil guard” or “civic guard”) to come there. Now auxiliary police is legal in Hungary (the municipality has to give its blessing, and some legal requirements have to be kept, like no member should have a criminal record, no weapons, they cannot arrest anybody, could only withhold the criminal until the arrival of police, etc.), however, this auxiliary police had a provocative name (“Bright Future Civil Guard”, the bright future thing is a greeting sometimes used by nationalists in Hungary) and a uniform that leftliberals thought resembled WWII fascist uniforms (although I guess all uniforms resemble those, at least in the eyes of leftliberals). Now the present “nationalist” government sent there the police, and started to… well, not catch the Gypsy criminals (500 out of 2500 inhabitants), but catching the auxiliary police (the court let them go after it was recognized they had done nothing illegal). The leftliberals and their foreign helpers already have trumped up Europe with the story of poor little Gypsies being threatened by a Nazi paramilitary group (for sure they cannot commit crimes now), with heartbreaking stories. (The only thing missing is that no Gypsy was hurt yet… well, I guess those Nazis still need time to build their gas chambers or what.)
One night a drunken guy (nationalist, but not member of the local auxiliary police) had a quarrel with a group of at least several dozens of Gypsies. Three of his friends (one of them member of the local auxiliary police) tried to get him out, but all four got severely beaten in the time of just 1 minute (there was a police camera that captured some of the action and all the voices), before the police arrived.
Now the “nationalist” government is banning all uniformed political groups (it’s a punishable offense, sentence could be up to three years in prison), although it’s not clear to me if the auxiliary police will be illegal afterwards. (I think not.) But it’s clear that the government is taking sides with the Gypsies. The local population says life became tolerable since the auxiliary police (and after them the real police with a large force of several dozen officers) arrived, but the fear what will happen next… Nobody (not even most leftist voters!) think that the locals are Nazis, everybody (even most leftist voters!) think that it’s the Gypsies fault, and still our supposedly nationalist government bends to foreign pressure and even gets proactive in tackling the “Nazi-problem” in a city where Gypsy crime has already made life intolerable for white Hungarians…
Another interesting thing (although more tabloid news than real news) is that the most dangerous war criminal ever is being brought to justice. At long last! (He is #1 according to this list: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=8180041)
Now his crime was (according to some unclear papers – most documents were lost during or after the war), that he was a gendarmery officer (lieutenant) in WWII, and he was in Újvidék (now Novi Sad in Serbia) where Hungarian forces killed a few thousand locals, mostly Serbian and Jewish civilians. (The aim of the whole thing was to curb Serbian partisan activities, so at least some of those killed might have been partisans or partisan helpers.) The Hungarian government of the time stopped the event already in 1942 a few days after it started, and actually punished the responsible officers. (Hungary was among the very few countries participating in WWII where this happened… a colonel getting a prison sentence for killing civilians… It must also be noted that in 1944 the Serbs revenged it by killing at least 40 thousand Hungarian civilians, and a similar or even larger number of ethnic Germans. Of course, nobody got punished to this day.)
So this Sándor Képíró, then lieutenant of the gendarmerie, did the following: on the first day he got orders to gather up suspicious civilians, which he did reluctantly (apparently he asked for a written order which he never got), and had to hand over them to the army. The army then shot everybody into the Danube. Apparently Képíró was upset about this, so on the second and third day (the whole thing took three days) he had a quarrel with his boss, and stayed in his office (but had to send his subordinates to continue gathering suspicious civilians and hand them over to the army). After the events, the government punished him for negligence, but apparently his sentence was revoked, and he was reinstated to the gendarmerie, but was still waiting for a new trial when the Russians arrived. He wasn’t punished after the war and emigrated to first Austria and then Argentina, where he worked in a factory (he had been a lawyer in Hungary, but had to work with his hands – no problem for him).
Now you can see how dangerous a murderer this 96 (!) year old guy really is. So he went to court, and a lot of Jewish students were waiting for him to mock him at the front door (fortunately he chose another entrance).
This is just a tabloid story, but you can see that Hungary is really trying to do its best to take part in the international anti-fascist struggle…
I got wrong the Wiesenthal link:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=8180041
Scroll to the bottom of the page, you can see this guy is the #1 war criminal in the world.
Here you can see some pictures, including pictures of the Jews mocking him (and marking themselves with yellow stars):
http://galeria.index.hu/belfold/2011/05/05/sarga_csillaggal_vartak_kepiro_sandort/
The world is so much safer now that he’s brought to justice!