A Closer Look at What Happened to Pat Buchanan, Part 1

Hadding Scott

Pat Buchanan has not appeared on MSNBC since October, when he began promoting his book, Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? He expressed concern about “the end of white America” and the shrinking of the “European and Christian core of our country.” In January 2012 MSNBC’s president Phil Griffin said, “The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue, much less the dialogue on MSNBC.”

Following his dismissal from MSNBC, Buchanan named what he regards as the provocateurs of his downfall (see “The New Blacklist”). Buchanan blames “an incessant clamor from the left,” itemizing the Black-advocacy group Color of Change, Media Matters, and an unnamed LGBT group. After them, at the end of the list, Buchanan adds, “On Nov. 2, Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, who has sought to have me censored for 22 years, piled on.” Likewise  Congressman Tom Tancredo: “MSNBC’s decision to dismiss Pat Buchanan shows the depths to which the mainstream media has caved to far-left pressure groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, the National Council of La Raza, Color of Change and Media Matters. There can be no doubt that these smear operations were responsible for Buchanan’s dismissal.”

I disagree with this, the prevalent view. I argue that what many people think were the causes of Pat Buchanan’s dismissal probably were not. What really hurt Buchanan was probably not the horde of angry enemies circling the walls of MSNBC and blowing trumpets, not the ADL, not Media Matters, not even Color of Change or the LGBT group. While the public is disposed to equate making noise with exerting influence, the decision of an executive in an office need not have been influenced by any of that in the slightest. I suggest that the decision to fire Buchanan from MSNBC may have been based on a consideration that is relatively or even completely obscure to the general public.


One Year Ago

For comparison, to get a broader perspective on what might cause dismissal from a cable news channel, let’s look at the downfall of Glenn Beck from Fox News. Fox News has attracted a large following among White Americans by catering in a limited way to the racial attitudes of White viewers.

Fox News personalities will condemn illegal immigration and allude to non-White criminality, and complain about unfairness to White people. The proprietor of Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, who is a Zionist but apparently not particularly pro-White, says that he finds Fox News embarrassing.

The case of Glenn Beck shows that a great deal of Political Incorrectness can be committed by a popular entertainer on a Zionist media-outlet so long as he adheres consistently to the Zionist positions. Beck more or less follows the John Birch Society’s tradition of talking about Jewish conspiracy while strenuously denying that the discussion is about Jews. This is a difficult pose. The rhetorical contortions that Glenn Beck has used to make his positions seem politically correct have made him an easy target for Jewish satirist Jon Stewart. In January 2010 on ABC’s This Week, Fox News’ Roger Ailes defended Glenn Beck against Arianna Huffington’s inimical question about Beck’s “paranoid style” that compares Obama to Hitler and Stalin.

In 2009 the ADL called Glenn Beck the “fearmonger-in-chief,” who was “raising anxiety about and distrust towards the government.” In reaction to Obama’s quick and sharp denunciation of the behavior of police in arresting a Black university-professor, Glenn Beck called Barack Obama a “racist with a deep-seated hatred for White people” on a Fox News show.

Beck’s statement provoked a response from the NAACP and some negative comments from the panel on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. Color of Change, a kind of Negro anti-defamation league, got involved by putting pressure on Beck’s Fox News advertisers.

The people who approved of the cancellation of Beck’s Fox News show pretended that advertisers simply withdrew spontaneously. Media Matters, for example, made no mention of the role of organized pressure. By contrast the director of Color of Change, James Rucker, boasted that his group had gotten Beck’s show canceled. Although Color of Change had succeeded in forcing Beck to find new advertisers, was it really the agitation of this group that had gotten Beck fired? Color of Change had been making these efforts since 2009 and Beck was only removed in 2011.

Although Color of Change’s campaign created some inconvenience, it did not cause Fox News to cancel Beck’s highly rated show. Beck’s ratings in January 2011 had declined 30% from a year earlier but they were still quite good. His Fox News show at approximately 2.2 million viewers had a larger audience than all other news channels combined.

Beck also did not avoid the Jewish issue entirely.

In November 2010, Glenn Beck went on the warpath against George Soros. He identified Soros as the son of a Hungarian Jew and as a currency-manipulator and profiteer and funder of leftist causes, trying to bring a “new world order”: In his two-part exposé of Soros, called “The Puppet Master,” Beck said: “Along with currencies, Soros also collapses regimes. With his Open Society Fund … Soros has helped fund the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia. He also helped to engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. So what is his target now? Us. America.”

Glenn Beck had a running feud with Jewish Funds for Justice during most of 2010, which culminated on 27 January 2011 when the organization posted a full-page advertisement in the Wall Street Journal (owned by Rupert Murdoch) bearing the names of 400 rabbis urging that Beck be punished for his statements

With his unambiguous advocacy of support for the State of Israel per se, Beck was even able to get away with offending significant numbers of Jews. Being widely perceived as something of an anti-Semite, from 2009 to 2011, did not get Beck fired from Fox News, so long as he did not run afoul of the Zionist agenda. By early 2011, Beck’s criticism of George Soros’ regime-changing activities expanded into criticism of the Zionists’ regime-changing plans for the Middle East. (On his radio show, also in early 2011, Beck likened Reform Judaism to Radical Islam, but he subsequently apologized.) At that point Beck suddenly got a stab in the back at Fox News.

William Kristol became a critic of Glenn Beck after Beck spoke disparagingly of the democratic uprising in Egypt which was a continuation of the Neoconservatives’ PNAC agenda:

When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He’s marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s. Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. [William Kristol, “Stand for Freedom,” The Weekly Standard, 14 February 2011]

Kristol’s complaint is that Beck has some real conservative tendencies, including distrust of democracy and fear of a leap into the unknown.  It is clear that these real conservative tendencies are inconvenient for Kristol’s agenda. What a thorn in the side Glenn Beck might have been for the overthrowers of Muammar Qaddaffi, if he’d still had his a highly rated daily show on Fox News. On 24 February 2011 Peter Wehner, a former “special assistant” in the Zionist-saturated George W. Bush administration, and an author published in all the leading neocon periodicals, wrote in Commentary that Glenn Beck was bad for the conservative movement:

One cannot watch him for any length of time without being struck by his affinity for conspiracies and for portraying himself as the great decoder of events. Political movements are not just wrong; they are infiltrated by a web of malevolent forces. Others see the shadows on the wall; Beck alone sees the men casting them. The danger when one paints the world in such conspiratorial terms is that it devalues the rational side of politics. It encourages a cast of mind that looks to expose enemies rather than to engage in arguments. [Peter Wehner, “The Most Disturbing Personality on Cable Television, Commentary, 24 February 2011]

Wehner forecast Beck’s imminent professional demise and advised conservatives to distance themselves from him. This same Peter Wehner, this famous advisor to all conservatives, recently drew attention to himself by declaring that Obama was preferable to Ron Paul — because of  how Ron Paul would affect the Zionist agenda in foreign policy. Canadian Jew David Frum, George W. Bush’s erstwhile speechwriter who invented the term “Axis of Evil,” also denounced Beck, as did others. It was not long after the phalanx of prominent neoconservatives came out against Glenn Beck that it was announced that his show on Fox News would soon be ending. Based on the timing of events, I would suggest that the real explanation of why Beck’s show was canceled is something that is rather obvious but little-discussed. Although all the public noise and criticism from Black and even leftist-Jewish organizations attracted public attention, this was not what got Glenn Beck fired from Fox News. When he lost advertisers, because he had very high ratings, he was able to get enough new ones to keep the show profitable. Glenn Beck was able to weather that storm for a long time: in some sense it probably even helped him, given the siege-mentality of the Fox News audience: these are people who expect to have enemies, and in their minds being attacked by the left is only a confirmation of being right. All of what most people think was the reason for Beck’s dismissal was really ineffectual. What killed the show was when neocon Jews, people influential at Fox News and with the owner Rupert Murdoch (who funded their PNAC), started to say Glenn Beck must go.

Buchanan’s Long-Standing Conflict with Zionism

The most long-standing vendetta that Buchanan mentions in “The New Blacklist” is that of the ADL. Twenty-two years ago (1990) Pat Buchanan blamed U.S. military intervention against Iraq on organized Zionist pressure. He said on The McLaughlin Group: “There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East: the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States.” A few days later he named some members of that amen corner: A.M. Rosenthal, Richard Perle, Charles Krauthammer, and Henry Kissinger — all Jews.

Reaction came in the form of a column by A.M. Rosenthal in the New York Times accusing Buchanan of anti-Semitism and “blood libel.” Rosenthal declared that he had seen signs of Buchanan’s anti-Semitism previously but had only decided to speak publicly about it when Buchanan made his comment in opposition to the Zionist war. Thereafter Eric Breindel at the New York Post attacked Buchanan. Richard Cohen at the Washington Post called Buchanan insensitive. William F. Buckley. accused Buchanan of insensitivity but also accused Rosenthal of overreacting. Jacob Weisberg in the New Republic argued that “Buchanan’s entire world view is deeply disturbing . . . in a distinct sense, fascistic.” (The New York Post’s non-Jewish writer Scott McConnell denounced Buchanan at the time but later repented and aligned himself with Buchanan.)

What were the “signs of anti-Semitism” that Rosenthal had observed before 1990? In 1983 Buchanan began defending John Demjanjuk, arguing that it was a case of mistaken identity, By 1987 Buchanan had decided that there was no Ivan the Terrible at Treblinka. In 1990, he noted that diesel engines, supposedly the murder-weapon used at Treblinka, “do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody.” Buchanan expressed skepticism about the reliability of concentration-camp survivors, saying that they had “group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics” because of “Holocaust Survivor Syndrome.” This explains why Buchanan was skeptical of the testimonies against Arthur Rudolph and Karl Linnas. In recent years Buchanan has even written books expressing skepticism about the merits of the “good war” that destroyed National Socialism, obviously believing fundamentally that there had been exaggeration and distortion in the direction of validating the victors. Buchanan has also had the temerity to side with his own religion whenever it had conflicts with Jewish interests; e.g. he has expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that synagogues are more protected than Catholic cathedrals under “hate-crime” laws. The inventory of ways in which Buchanan has exhibited less than total reverence for Jewish sensitivities could be extended even quite a bit beyond that.

Buchanan responded to Rosenthal’s attack by writing (September 1990) that the word anti-Semitism was used “to frighten, intimidate, censor and silence; to cut off debate; to so smear men’s reputations that no one will listen to them again; to scar men so indelibly that no one will ever look at them again without saying, ‘Say, isn’t he an anti-Semite?'”  Buchanan remained unrepentant. “I don’t retract a single word,” he said to Time. “The reaction was simply hysterical and is localized to New York.” That too was interpreted as a reference to Jews.

Buchanan found his most steadfast defenders among his former adversaries on the left. On The McLaughlin Group Jack Germond said: “There’s not a scintilla of evidence in all I’ve known about Pat that he is anti-Semitic. . . . This is an attempt to say that if you disagree with Israel on a matter of policy you can be called-anti-Semitic.” Eleanor Clift even questioned whether Buchanan was anti-Israel: “You don’t have to be anti-Israeli to be opposed to war in the Middle East. I think Pat is an isolationist.”

In the Wall Street Journalof 25 October 1999 founding neocon Norman Podhoretz proclaimed Pat Buchanan an anti-Semite. He dismissed the fact that Buchanan had friends who were Jews as a traditional apology for anti-Semites.

Thus the pattern was established: the very Zionist “neocons” whose entry into the Republican Party Buchanan had promoted in the 1970s, and who had come to dominate what passes for conservatism, were now his bitterest enemies, while leftists, people who often object to war and the subjugation of brown-skinned people as a matter of reflex, became Buchanan’s allies, at least on question of Israel.

Once Buchanan became a critic of the Zionists, he never stopped. In 2010 Buchanan provided what amounts to a synopsis of why it is in the American interest to stop supporting this agenda, which he euphemistically calls “the American empire”:

Estimated combined budgets for the Pentagon, two wars, foreign aid to allies, 16 intelligence agencies, scores of thousands of contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our new castle-embassies: $1 trillion a year. While this worldwide archipelago of bases may have been necessary when we confronted a Sino-Soviet bloc spanning Eurasia from the Elbe to East China Sea, armed with thousands of nuclear weapons and driven by imperial ambition and ideological hatred of us, that is history now. It is preposterous to argue that all these bases are essential to our security. [….] Liquidation of this empire should have begun with the end of the Cold War. Now it is being forced upon us by the deficit-debt crisis. [….] Republicans will fight new taxes. Democrats will fight to save social programs. Which leaves the American empire as the logical lead cow for the butcher’s knife. [Pat Buchanan, “Liquidating the Empire,” 23 February 2010]

Go to Part II.

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166 Comments to "A Closer Look at What Happened to Pat Buchanan, Part 1"

  1. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    March 18, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    “One can believe in the Golden Rule,”
    “Christianity should be a religion, not a suicide pact. ”

    The Golden Rule is whoever has the gold makes the rules ????

    What you mean “Christianity should be a religion, not a suicide pact. ” ???

    Christianity is a cult & should be exposed as a fraud ASAP.

  2. March 15, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink


    Mr. Scott, do I need your permission to continue talking?

    No, but some people would have the foresight to quit while they are ahead.

  3. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 15, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi Alice – I wasn’t being that pessimistic but thanks anyway :O)
    I was saying:

    – Things are definitely shifting big time

    – such that…we even need to turn our minds to fine tuning.

  4. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 15, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “@Clytemnestra: I don’t understand why you are still talking.

    I already shot down your example about the Duke lacrosse team. I think that’s enough to show how poorly thought out your position is. Beyond that you seem to be equating idealism with acting unintelligently, which is not correct at all.

    From my perspective this has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Maybe an inability to separate idealism from some particular variant of Christianity is your problem.”

    Mr. Scott, do I need your permission to continue talking?

    If you go back a few posts, I think you will find that I successfully rebutted your Duke Lacrosse team example with MY poor Western Virginia “poor White Trash” example. Yes, their accuser eventually and publicly recanted, but they still have to serve the time. Interestingly enough, Crystal Mangum never recanted against the rich White boys, but it makes no difference.

    You can say that, if the West Virginia “poor White Trash” had just stuck to their principles, they’d be free men right now. And I can counter that by saying if and ONLY IF their accuser recanted and then the system would take its sweet old time about springing them, because once the system has a White by the short hairs, it doesn’t like to let go.

    Whether they took the plea bargain or not, the West Virginia “Poor White Trash” still would serve some time for the crime, while the well-funded Duke Lacrosse Team Players did not serve a day of time. Why? Money talks, bullshit walks.

    Achieving justice in a hostile system is an idealistic notion that can only be secured pragmatically through lots of money. The Duke Lacrosse Team Players proved that affluent people can be innocent of the crimes they were accused of, but they also proved that real justice is more likely to be bought and paid for than dispensed impartially, because that’s the way it should be.

    My problem with Christianity is that, like the GOP AKA the Stupid Party it is being shilled as something good for Whites when it simply takes Whites’ money and time while undermining their interests. The Repugnants will at least lie every two or four years and use code speech to pretend that it is representing White interests, but Christianity cannot be bothered doing that.

    It is Christian denominations flooding the Whitest areas of our country with violent Non-White Muslim “refugees” even as we speak. Christian denominations who are working hand-in-glove with our hostile government, because the good folk in Maine might take up arms if federal marshals moved them in, but they are completely helpless in the face of good Pastor Kindly doing it!

    It is our lack of an Oral Tradition or Pro-White concordances that created an opening for the Jews to hire the conman Cyrus Scofield to write one that created that fat toad, John Hagee and his merry little band of twits, The Christian Rapture Bunnies. I would have no problem whatsoever if these idiots dug deep into their own pockets and volunteered themselves as some foreign legion to fight for Israel, but they want to pick OUR pockets and draft OUR sons.

    So pardon me if I take a rather jaundiced view to the sorry, suck-ass state of today’s Christianity.

    I would personally love it if I could get every White person to wake up and stop filling the pews and the coffers of every Christian church right now, but I’m realistic enough to know that it isn’t going to happen.

    Our only hope of rescuing our people is a realistic, hard-headed unsentimental, pragmatic, REFORMIST approach to Christianity and that is for disaffected White Christians with a strong theological background to create an Oral Tradition and concordance of their own. It is time, past time, for racially aware White men to take control of Christianity, not let IT control them! Otherwise Christianity is nothing more than a White Death Cult which must be eradicated.

    Christianity should be just a religion; NOT a suicide pact!

  5. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 15, 2012 - 11:27 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Cheer up, it is not as bad as that. The massive failure in real life of the current system is causing a lot of people to wake up. For a long time, we in America were, on the whole, fat and happy. Many of us could and did escape the real life effects of the social engineering. Countless whites paid lip service to multiculturalism while engaging in massive white flight.

    The system has, however, become unworkable. This has a surprising effect on intelligent people. No one with any sense believes that the problem with our education system is a lack of spending. No one thinks that immigration is good for the country.No one thinks that black crime is a result of poverty and racism. No one thinks the financial system is honest or reliable. No one thinks that our universities deliver either a good education or job skills.

    Imagining ourselves invulnerable, we were prepared to play fast and loose with our traditions and heritage. The price is clear for all to see. Young people, especially white males, are not buying any of it. Older people are all too aware that far too many of us have no grandchildren, or that our grandchildren face a dreadful future.

    In my opinion, the main problem we face today is the large number of women who bought into the feminist nonsense, and now insist that the government has the responsibility to ensure that no matter what choices they made in their private life, they are entitled to be spared any of the consequences. Far too free and independent to make any concessions to reality, they have joined forces with all the self proclaimed victims of our society in the eternal cry of more. We have a shockingly large number of women who are alone, childless, angry, bitter and facing a bleak old age. Despite their inability to establish a single, lasting relationship in their own lives, they see themselves as warm, loving souls. The proof is that they are devoted to the brown faces of the world, all underdogs, and stray animals the world over.

    Young people will save us, if the old and bitter will permit them to.

  6. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 15, 2012 - 10:31 am | Permalink


    Thank you very much for this quote:

    “Christianity should be a religion, not a suicide pact”

    Be assured that i will spread it far and wide.

  7. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 15, 2012 - 10:01 am | Permalink


    Excellent intuition Clytemnestra IMHO. Deep rooted beliefs in mass opinion are extremely hard to establish and extremely hard to budge. The organized Jewish movement did create deep rooted beliefs, but in order to so so had to control the entire ‘experience’ over a number of decades, and needed a big event like the Holocaust to keep it pinned down while the job was done.
    The beliefs they established are counter intuitive and need total immersion in a totally controlled experience in order to remain pinned down.
    The current ‘experience’ is no longer controlled or even clearly understood by them. They actually don’t have the mental machinery to understand the current experience because it would involve introspection and self-criticism which they appear unable to do very well.
    The experience is Israel. It’s the power of the new elite. It’s not being allowed to even acknowledge the existence of that power. It’s a very leaky situation.
    I expect there’s actually something like an exponential effect going on. Remembering that school kids still get the most controlled experience. Therefore what is occurring is probably happening in the 20+ age range. The complexity and horror of the situation probably means that it takes someone as long as 20 or 30 years to wake up of their own volition. But with help from organizations, movements, blogs etc, that period can be brought right down to just a few years.

    If it takes until 40 to start waking up that’s bad news because there’s a new clueless 20 year old for every wised up 40 year old. Forty is a bad age….people are at the peak of their family and professional commitment. It needs to be much earlier.

    The other problem is that it can take 20 years to work it out, and another 20 to get a clear idea what one might do. Bingo, you’re sixty!
    So the waking people up thing has to happen earlier. It’s not enough that loads of people are waking up. The problem is getting them speaking up.
    However….things are changing big time out there.

  8. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    March 15, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    ” we are seeing Christianity peddled as the White man’s only salvation on White racial realist boards like this one.”

    Glad someone else noticed this.

    BTW Christians will do “anything” to convert a heathen.

    Remember how the Christian Establishment decried Rock & Roll & now they are all rockin for Jesus.

    Christianity is a dangerous cult.
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/…wscs/ wscs37.htm

  9. March 15, 2012 - 12:31 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: I don’t understand why you are still talking.

    I already shot down your example about the Duke lacrosse team. I think that’s enough to show how poorly thought-out your position is. Beyond that you seem to be equating idealism with acting unintelligently, which is not correct at all.

    From my perspective this has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Maybe an inability to separate idealism from some particular variant of Christianity is your problem.

  10. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I respectfully disagree.

    It isn’t lack of principle that has hurt this movement, but an inflexible lack of pragmatism and an inability to face unpleasant realities ON THE GROUND that are smacking our race in the face.

    For example, Whites raised hell as “a matter of principle” when the Supremes forcibly desegregated public schools. They ranted, they raved, they marched, they demonstrated and Eisenhower sent in the federal marshalls and put a stop to it and they were desegregated against their will.

    But what would have happened if pragmatism had reigned supreme?

    What if the response to the Supremes desegregating their schools had not been loud, angry, indignant marchers filled with the principle of states’ rights, but people who knew they were outgunned but were still hell-bent on not cooperating.

    What if Negro kids had entered public schools without White parents demonstrating, because those schools were completely empty of White kids? What if every White in that city had withdrawn their children from the public school system? What if they had a plan in place to home school or had already set up private schools in anticipation of a federal government stomping on states’ rights? What then?

    To me “principle” is a high-minded, idealistic euphemism for a THEORY. There is theory and then there is PRACTICE. And that’s when the rubber meets the road. If something is doable then it is practical. If a theory or a principle is not practical or doable then it needs to be modified until it is practical or doable.

    An impractical theory or principal may sound utopian but it all too often creates dystopian nightmares that we cannot escape and we are seeing that RIGHT NOW with altruistic Christian idealism.

    One can believe in the Golden Rule, but there HAS to be reciprocity, otherwise it is not practical and the higher imperative of self-preservation must take precedence.

    Christianity should be a religion, not a suicide pact.

  11. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    Henry, I’m a big time conspiracy buff; I LOVE whacko conspiracies!

    Do I think conspiracies exist? Yes. Am I prepared to turn myself into a paranoid wreck over them? No.


    It has been my experience that people can conspire, plot, scheme, ad nauseum ad infinitum all they want to, but unless the people they are dealing with are greedy and corrupt, the people who think they are the smartest people on the damned planet (and we know who they are) often end up outsmarting themselves.

    People can try to sell you a snow-job, but only you can buy the okie-dokie.

    Unlike most WNists, I remain an optimist. I see anti-White magazines and newspapers and the anti-White Hollywood barf factory hemorrhaging red ink for no obvious reason.

    There is no Caucasian version of Al Sharpton organizing marches and advocating boycotts. Yet there is a White backlash going on that is sporadic, organic and gaining momentum and it has the Usual Suspects in a quandary over what to do; how to rope a dope a Y-T who isn’t as dumb or as docile or as guilt-ridden as they thought even through fifty years of relentless Marxist indoctrination.

    There is a passive aggressive resistance among Whites that is building to a crescendo with no obvious leaders to single out, isolate or cut down. Whites have been behind the learning curve, but we are quick studies and I love reading articles where those who would social engineer us into extinction are scratching their behinds in befuddlement at all these Whites who say they approve of interracial marriage, but can’t be bothered to marry out.

    No, I don’t engage in “whacko conspiracies,” but I am inclined to notice some amusing paradoxes on boards like this. Call it “be careful what you wish for” syndrome.

    We have had leftist organizations like the ACLJew trying to destroy every Christian tradition and symbol in America. Yet all the sudden, we are seeing Christianity peddled as the White man’s only salvation on White racial realist boards like this one.

    I wonder who else (besides me) has taken notice that most White racial realists are disaffected Christians and are belatedly realizing its effectiveness as a tool to tame Whites by leaving them susceptible to guilt for all kinds of things that they were never responsible for in the first place?

    I’m inclined to think that Nietzche may have been paranoid, but he had reason to be, LOL.

    But that’s okay.

    I don’t hate Christianity. In fact, I love certain Christian traditions, like the nativity scenes, the lights, the trees, the caroling, and the basic premise that God loves the world instead of favors a chosen few.

    But AFAIC, Christianity should never be more than a religious or social tradition; NEVER a suicide pact.

    Since it has become known as the White man’s religion, the White man needs to take control of it, not let it control him.

  12. March 14, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: Lack of principle has been a major cause of failure thus far. I regard your attitude as poisonous.

  13. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:


    Fourteen words.

    Whatever it takes. Whatever is necessary. Whatever we must.

    By hook or by crook. I can’t be any clearer than that.

    And if some silly fuzzy-headed idealist is too high-minded to deal with that, too bad.

    It is what it is.

    ‘Nuff said.

  14. March 14, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink


    What you call spineless opportunism, I define as pragmatism.

    At least we are clear that crookedness and spineless opportunism are what you advocate.

  15. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 10:01 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    “This attitude of yours, that the truth is not going to prevail, leads people to give up. If the Duke Lacrosse players had not believed that they were going to get justice, they would have accepted a pleas-bargain.”

    Had the Duke Lacrosse players not had deep pockets to pay for excellent lawyers, they would have had to accept plea bargains. If they had been community college commuters rather than Ivy League students, they’d all be doing hard time for a gang rape they never committed on a victim who lied about it.

    Examine, please, the case of Megan Williams who admitted she lied when she accused a group of poor West Virginia White men of gang-raping her and forcing her to eat her feces. They were talked into taking a plea by their public defender, so even though the victim recanted, they will serve their time anyway, because they confessed.

    OJ Simpson was clearly guilty as sin, but Rich Man’s Justice got him off. The bitch that is Dame Karma only caught up with The Juice when he ran out of cold, hard cash and even then, he still remained acquitted of cold-bloodedly murdering Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.

    It does not matter if an accused White believes s/he will get justice in today’s political climate; money talks, bullshit walks.

    Whites must come to terms with the fact that this is NOT our country anymore! We are living under an occupation and we need to adjust our behaviors and expectations to that unpleasant fact.

    The time for idealism was when this country was ninety percent White back before our treacherous Congress gave control of our money to the private interests behind the Federal Reserve. That time is over.

    Now is the time to be pragmatic. Our survival depends on it.
    The one thing we do NOT owe the enemy is honesty or fair-play or integrity or any of that other blather.

    It is high time we recognize that we have been at war for about a century now and we are being backed into a corner from which the only escape is to come out fighting; by fair means or foul, but believe me, it’s going to be foul.

    We have a huge mess of our own making to mop up. I have no problem compromising my precious ideals or getting my hands dirty. The price our grandchildren are going to pay is going to be waay to high if we continue living in a state of denial.

    I took my screen name from a Greek woman I admire. She defied the gods and risked opprobrium through the millenia to ensure that her treacherous hubby did not take her son’s birthright and give it to his bastard twins by some Trojan captive.

    Yes, her daughter Electra villified her for it and yes, her son, Orestes killed her for it, but Clytemnestra saw that Agamemnon did not betray them the way he had Iphigenia.

    I have NO problem whatsoever if my descendants return to an idealism where they think I am the biggest, baddest bitch that ever walked the face of the earth. That means they will be safe enough to indulge in idealism. Better that than have them subjugated, enslaved and slaughtered like the White Rhodesians and the Boer farmers.

    Mr. Scott, nature’s imperative for parents is to protect their young. That doesn’t just mean dying for them, but killing for them as well IF the need arises. I don’t think successfully following that imperative jeopardizes my relationship with God.

    “Which of you, if your son asks you for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?”

    Our children have certain expectations from loving, vigilant parents that their mother and father will secure for them the existence of their people and a future for THEIR children.”

    I have NO problem dressing it up in Biblical terms, Mr. Scott, but the fourteen words must prevail.

    THAT is our concordance. THAT must be our Oral Tradition.

  16. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    What you call spineless opportunism, I define as pragmatism.

    Idealism without pragmatism is a childish notion. Yes, I know that old saw in the Bible about believers having to be like little children to get into heaven.

    Jesus also told his disciples that anyone without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one. Now, one can easily get the notion from these contradictory texts that Jesus was talking out of both sides of his mouth.

    But for lack of knowledge people are destroyed, so I’m inclined to think the Good Shepherd meant we should trust in God, but where non-believers are concerned, we need to be vigilant as hell and armed to the teeth.

    “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves, so be as cunning as snakes, but innocent as doves.”

    Hmmm. Wonder what Jesus meant by THAT remark? Kinda smacks of “spineless opportunism,” don’tcha think?

    Again. We need our OWN Oral Tradition or concordance. Desperately. ‘Nuff said.

    Christianity should be a religion, NOT a suicide pact!

  17. March 14, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    If you BELIEVE the bible you also believe the Jews are Gods “Chosen people’ if you don’t believe that then you are not a Christian but a pretender….

    This is a false statement. Only an heretical reading of the Bible can produce this conclusion. The Gospels are emphatic that the Jews are no longer the Chosen. That was the whole point of the career of John the Baptist: that “Sons of Abraham” could be created through baptism, and had to be created because the Jews were a tree that bears only bad fruit. THAT is the TRADITIONAL Christian view: that Christians have superseded the Jews as God’s Chosen.

    What you have described as true Christianity is the heresy known as Premillennialism, which has a considerable importance in the United States but not in Europe.

  18. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 14, 2012 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Yes. I could hold my nose and swallow Christianity if Ben Klassen were in the pulpit.
    Recomend; “Natures Eternal Religion”

  19. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 14, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink


    Couldn’t Agree more if i stayed up all night! You have a clue! unlike many on here. PLEASE tell me you don’t believe in whako conspiracys. A “blind spot” of many a brilliant man.

  20. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 14, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    “A key characteristic of white humanity is we are a people who reveres truth”

  21. March 14, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink


    Hadding Scott, why do YOU advocate that White people try to fight back, hog-tied by antiquated notions of idealism?

    If you study criminal justice history, innocent people have been accused, convicted, incarcerated and even executed by people who know damn well that they are innocent and still did it anyway. Had the Duke Lacrosse players not been able to afford good legal representation, Mike Nifong would have sent them up the river for three or four decades for a gang rape they never committed.

    It’s not antiquated. This attitude of yours, that the truth is not going to prevail, leads people to give up. If the Duke Lacrosse players had not believed that they were going to get justice, they would have accepted a pleas-bargain.

    Basically when idealism goes, spineless opportunism takes its place. I think that’s our fundamental disease, and you’re perpetuating it.

  22. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 14, 2012 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding Scott, why do YOU advocate that White people try to fight back, hog-tied by antiquated notions of idealism?

    If you study criminal justice history, innocent people have been accused, convicted, incarcerated and even executed by people who know damn well that they are innocent and still did it anyway. Had the Duke Lacrosse players not been able to afford good legal representation, Mike Nifong would have sent them up the river for three or four decades for a gang rape they never committed. He knew they were innocent, but that diid not stop him; he had to be busted and even then he got away with a public scolding a slap on the wrist.

    To this day, Whites are being scapegoated for every evil on this planet. It was the Africans who sold defeated rival tribes to Arabs and Jews. It was Jews who controlled the Transatlantic Slave Trade and held more slaves per capita than any White. The person who started Negro slavery in America was a black freedman by the name of Anthony Johnson of Angola, who refused to release HIS Negro indentured servant, John Casor, and got the court to rule that Negros could be kept in lifelong servitude. Ever hear of him?

    If my race is going to do the time, we might as well do the crime. If we are going to be scapegoated as crooks, then it is time to teach our accusers how crooked we can be.

    In the name of self-preservation, White Christians desperately need a White Supremacist oral tradition or concordance of their own. Christianity should be a religion, NOT a suicide pact.

  23. March 12, 2012 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: It’s good that you admit that you advocate crookedness.

    Now, whom do you expect to deceive with your crookedness? Do you think that nobody will notice the crookedness and point it out? Do you think that this won’t have the effect of limiting support to crooks?

    A key characteristic of White humanity is that we are a people that reveres truth. It’s a strength if we don’t try to work against it.

  24. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 12, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Yes, I am.

    Where it comes to the survival of our little ones, you betcha.

    I will not be held to some idiotic notions of idealism where my race is bound to Marquess of Queensbury rules while up against some serious below-the-belt, backstabbing street fighters.

    Compared to the Jews, the Muslims and about every other group, we are waaay behind the learning curve and it behooves us all to catch up and quickly or we might as well throw in the towel, here and now and just submit to our own enslavement and extinction.

    Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Now is one of those times.

  25. March 12, 2012 - 1:49 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: You seem to advocate crookedness.

  26. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 12, 2012 - 1:19 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “You might be surprised at how much of this is being said in Christian circles. No clear leader has emerged, but several groups are working on developing such thinking. Part of the problem is that it is still in the early stages, and is emerging from different schools of thought who often have differing vocabularies.”

    It must originate from a healthy, dispassionate, even perhaps a certain amount of cynicism towards religion as anything more than an effective propaganda or socialization tool.

    For example, it speaks volumes to how infected by Christian idealism Ben Klassen was that he ended up disavowing it and starting his own marginalized Cult of Creativity rather than finding a way to infiltrate it and subvert it to his Creativity doctrine the way the Jews subverted Christian Evangelism to dispensationalism and transformed them into Christian Zionist Rapture Bunnies.

    One of the major paradoxes imaginable is how so many Whites have become so Judaized that they can accept the dumbest Jewish BS imaginable and yet they have not, can not, and will not adapt the idea that the so-called Holy Books are just general guidelines that can and should be modified as the need arises.

    The Jews, the Arabs, followed by the Negros and probably now, even the Mestizos have managed to get control of their religion rather than letting it control them. That’s why I want to scream whenever I read some White tout the higher IQ of Whites compared to this group or that group.

    All the book smarts in the world aren’t going to do squat for Whites unless we pick up considerable street smarts to go with it. And until some WNist religious leader can institute an oral tradition or new Pro-White concordance for Christianity, it is about as beneficial to Whites as the Repugnant AKA the GoP of Stupidity.

  27. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 11, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    You might be surprised at how much of this is being said in Christian circles. No clear leader has emerged, but several groups are working on developing such thinking. Part of the problem is that it is still in the early stages, and is emerging from different schools of thought who often have differing vocabularies.

    What they are have in common is an insistence on a return to truth. All recognize that our society is based on lies that we must all, in varying degrees, assent to. This cannot provide the basis for either a moral or healthy society.

  28. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 11, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Well, I may have an unusual POV, but re-reading the New Testament from a WNist perspective, I believe that Jesus never wanted Christianity for the White European Japhethites. Jesus Christ directed all his homilies at the Judeans and repeatedly said that he was seeking out “the lost tribes of Israel.” He further prohibited his apostles from taking his teachings to the Gentiles.

    Now, as to who those lost Israelites were, I strongly suspect that they were the Ashenazis based on how easily they embraced Judaism. That was the only time allegedly pagan populations were converted to an Abrahamic faith peacefully. Both Islamic and Christian conversions were bloody, brutal affairs. IMO, the easy conversion of the Ashkenazi indicates that they were already practicing some form of Judaism.

    Now, taking the religious component out of it, Jesus was not a genetic Judean, but born and raised in Galilee “land of the Gentiles” which had been forcibly conquered and converted to the religion by Judea about the same time Edom was.

    Even though he was raised in the Hebrew religion, Jesus probably retained a lot of Gentile concepts, like xenos. It seemed to me that all his homilies were an attempt to indoctrinate the Judeans in an exaggerated form of xenos.

    Jesus knew that exporting Christianity to nations that already practiced xenos would have been overkill which is why he told the disciples to avoid them, but unfortunately for Europe, the pharisee, Saul of Tarsus realized that Christianity could be a weapon against such cultures as well, as that’s all, she wrote.

    In any case, the point I am trying to make during my long, theoretical digression is that in seeking spiritual PERFECTION from Christianity, White Europeans have thrown any self-serving, life preserving PRAGMATISM out of the window.

    Where is OUR taqiyaah or kol nidre? All Christianity lets us do is seek persecution and death in Christ. Where are our 72 beautiful virgins? Christian soldiers are expected to seek martyrdom without reward.

    Again, I am not suggesting some oral tradition that winks at pederasty or pedophilia or any other vice condemned by the Bible. I am advocating an oral tradition that sets self-preserving limits on altruism and xenos. I am advocating an oral tradition that encourages racial boundaries, prohibits racial amalgamation, treats a White mistreating, betraying or killing another White like a mortal sin, and teaches Whites that they were created to be a distinct White people by the Creator and to not preserve the White race is the equivalent of spitting in His face.

    Once, Whites are convinced that they have a God-given duty to preserve themselves, the rest will take care of itself. That is why I am convinced that the best hope for the White race is not another Adolph Hitler, but a White Nationalist with strong theological background (who is flying under the radar). If such a man can start his own Christian sect with an oral tradition or “concordance” of Creativity, then and only then can we preserve the race.

  29. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 11, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    We actually agree more than it might seem at first glance. My point is that it is not that our institutions and traditions are perfect or foolproof, rather that there is no perfect system or religion that will render us immune from corruption.

    It is natural and wise for us to examine all factors that led us to our sorry state, and to attempt to strengthen any weaknesses that we can address. To single out one group, or institution, or religion or philosophy does not serve us beyond a certain point. Unless you really do believe that the worst danger our people face today is too many Christians.

  30. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 11, 2012 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Unlike you, I am not a big fan of the Constitution, because it was the Protestant idealism of the Founding Fathers made them leave too many loopholes for more racially and ethnically cohesive groups to exploit in order to turn the laws against the founding WASP population.

    I may be coming from out of my own biases, because I was raised Roman Catholic. I do not deny that there was appalling corruption in the Roman Catholic Church. Just as I seriously doubt that there was no corruption in the Roman pagan temples.

    However, there is evidence to support that Protestantism was fomented by Jewry not only because Rome was reverting back to more Hellenist practices and they were losing influence, but because they could more easily undermine Christian Europe if they drove a wedge between two mutually supportive and stabilizing structures.

    Yes, monarchs like Henry VIII may have chafed at Church teachings and other monarchs may have resented sharing the wealth with the Church, but Church doctrine assigning them divine rule helped them keep a lock on their own power base. The concept of divine rule went out the window once there was no ultimate religious authority to sanction it.

    It was Protestantism that enabled the Jews to use Oliver Cromwell to execute King Charles I to retake England and establish the House of Rothschilde. It was the Huguenot influence that led to the French Revolution and the execution of King Louis XVI and the wholesale genocide of the French in Haiti.

    While hereditary monarchies were not perfect, replacing men who had some sense of ownership of a country with elected politicians whose only hope of achieving limited terms in office was to whore themselves out to special interests was not good for Europe. Because they have no sense of ownership in their countries and are only there to enrich themselves, in essence adopting and absorbing the whole “loot and run” parasitism that Jews were historically infamous for.

  31. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 11, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    I find many of your points interesting. However, if you look back into history you will find that the protestant reformation was in part motivated with a desire to purify Catholicism’s ‘oral tradition’ or the accumulations the occur in institutions over time. It was a desire to go back to basics, much like those of us who think it would be a huge improvement to return to the constitution.

    I am sorry that so many hear have such bitter feeling towards Christians. You are quite right, this is evidence of our many failings. We are not perfect, either as individuals or as groups. The fact that someone claims to be a Christian is no guarantee that they are indeed one, or even striving to be one.

    The sad state of our culture gives us all the right to be angry at everyone of genuine power and influence who has either been corrupted by the attack on our society, as we all have, or simply complied with it. At some point, we must take your advice, and find ways to bring our people to their senses. Otherwise, we seem to be much more about who we hate( an ever growing list around here) rather than who we love.

  32. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    March 11, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink


    “t’s not a religious war, it’s a racial war…and the first blow against us was the religion of Christianity, a belief system that tells us to forsake our original pagan religions in favor of worshipping a Jewish martyr, Jewish God, and Jewish hisotrical figures. Give me the pantheon of strong, beautiful Greek Gods any day over the stories of the wretched Hebrews. ”

    I agree with you that Christianity has not been beneficial to White Europeans, but for better or worse, it’s been a White European institution for over two thousand years.

    So, what should be done about it? It is my observation that the Semitic peoples (both Jew and Islam) look at their holy books less as divine commandments and more as general guidelines to be modified at their own pleasure. Even the most Orthodox of Jews or fundamentalist of Muslims. It is only Christian fundamentalists that are so credulous where the Bible is concerned.

    Of the three Abrahamic religions, it should be noted that both Judaism and Islam have “oral tradition” in place so that they can interpret their Holy Books to their own supremacist agenda.

    The Torah was already a pro Jew book, but an Oral Tradition (or Talmud) was instituted to “correct” any discrepancies that demanded fair treatment of the goyim.

    Likewise, the Quran was already a pro Muslim book, but they also have their own Oral Tradition (or Sunnah/Hadith) instituted to “correct” any discrepancies that demanded fair treatment of the kaffir.

    Christianity is the only Abrahamic religion that has no Oral Tradition in place. That left a vaccuum to be exploited, and sure enough, the Jews hired the con-man Cyrus Scofield to write a concordance (actually a very cleaned up Zionist talmud for goyim) to translate the Bible according to their agenda.

    This concordance was used to transform Christian wariness of Jewry into a Jew-worshipping dispensationalism promoted by other corrupt Christian clerics like that bloated fat toad, John Hagee.

    For example, the biggest tragedy for White people is that someone with extensive bible training, like Ben Klassen did not create his own oral tradition or concordance to incorporate his creationist beliefs rather than becoming an openly disaffected Christian and creating his own marginalized religion.

    Any White Nationalist who is a disaffected Christian at heart would serve the race far better if he were to avoid the trap of being openly atheist or agnostic or pagan. It would be better if he acquired a strong background of knowledge, not only in the Old and New Testament, but the Quran, so that he can create his OWN pro-White Oral Tradition or concordance.

    Had Klassen remained a professed Christian, created his OWN Oral Tradition or concordance and used that to start a nominally Christian sect of his own that incorporated his own Creationist beliefs, the Christian religion could have been a means to help the race rather than continue to further damage and genocide the race.

    I appreciate KMac’s works on evolutionary psychology, but IMO, we need a KMac with a strong background of theological training to appropriate what is seen as a White religion anyway.

  33. March 10, 2012 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

    @Jared White:

    They fired Lou Dobbs for speaking out on immigration, Glenn Beck got canned right after the Federal Reserve segment I believe, Judge Napolitano bit the dust after his lecture alluding to behind the scenes Jewish power that controls all of our “leaders” which of course cancels out any reason to vote….and now Pat Buchanan. It’s getting really bad folks. They can’t seem to pass laws quickly enough to limit free speech, so they simply have their enemies canned. It’s despicable, it’s evil, it’s immoral. But what can we do? They own the entire financial system! That gives them total power.

    Your negativity goes way beyond justification. There is no such thing as “total power” although there is such a thing as sheeplike conformity. Exaggerating the magnitude of Jewish power reinforces the tendency toward passive submission.

    There is a lot more criticism of the anti-White agenda being uttered these days than ever before. Some problems are getting more obvious and people are waking up. While it’s unfortunate the Buchanan was fired from MSNBC, one ought to consider all that he was able to say before he was fired, and the fact that being fired is not going to shut him up or deprive him of a following. It’s not like the old days when mass-media consisted of three major commercial networks and PBS. There are many effective alternative ways to reach people now.

  34. March 10, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    Thanks for your clarification, Mr. Baxley. And thanks for using your real name. I really do respect that, and for some reason it encourages me and lifts my spirit.

  35. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 10, 2012 - 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Richard, I understand there are people in senstive positions who can’t afford to lose thier job and so must use a screen name. I respect that. It is those who usr their fake name as cover for saying things about others they wouldn’t say to their face. I find using my real name makes me think twice before opening my mouth, because I may be expected to stand by my statements somewhere down the road. And no, it was not directed at you.
    If Professor McDonald has the guts to do it, it’s the least I can do.
    Besides, I don’t hate anybody. I just love my race….most of them anyway.

  36. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    March 10, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Pat Bucanan is a “Catholic” therefore a wacko.

    In the MSM saying anything that is not 100% supportive of Israel , Jews & America’s total support of same is a career death sentence for any would be patriot.

    Questioning or pointing out lies is “hateful” & Antisemitic & not acceptable in MSM .

    Juden Uber Alles is the way to go just like all those gullible Americans Christian & others.

    Pat had like others to learn the “Orwellian” speak language that requires a code & the hint interpretation ability of an intellectual.

    Pat wrote a wonderful book I recommend — Churchill, Hitler, and “The Unnecessary War”
    How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

    Pat alas sailed too close to the wind & had to be “put out to pasture.”


  37. Jared White's Gravatar Jared White
    March 10, 2012 - 1:00 am | Permalink

    They fired Lou Dobbs for speaking out on immigration, Glenn Beck got canned right after the Federal Reserve segment I believe, Judge Napolitano bit the dust after his lecture alluding to behind the scenes Jewish power that controls all of our “leaders” which of course cancels out any reason to vote….and now Pat Buchanan. It’s getting really bad folks. They can’t seem to pass laws quickly enough to limit free speech, so they simply have their enemies canned. It’s despicable, it’s evil, it’s immoral. But what can we do? They own the entire financial system! That gives them total power. It’s tyranny. They’re just like the drug cartels on a much bigger scale; they can buy off whoever they want. How do you compete with that kind of money and power?

  38. March 9, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    If you REALLY believe in white survival you put your REAL NAME on your posts and let others deal with it.

    I’m not assuming your comment is directed at me.

    If Henry Baxley is your real name, I admire that. I also admire Hadding Scott for using his real name.

    From the first time I found this site, I remember being impressed that some people used their full real names.

    I’m not sure that using one’s full real name is a wise thing for every person who visits this site. Maybe it is. Like I said, I honestly don’t know.

  39. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 9, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @Henry Baxley:

    One final thought on “alienating Christians” We are alienated by THEM, it’s high time it went both ways imo. You don’t build a movement by sucking up to Jew worshippers and being politically correct. If you REALLY believe in white survival you put your REAL NAME on your posts and let others deal with it. I wear a T-shirt practically everywhere I go that says “Jesus protects me from Vampires, Werewolves, and Zombies”
    Note: I have never been bitten by a Vampire..thank you Jesus.

  40. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 9, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Alice Teller, Fender, and all;
    Christianity is Jewish. it is a farce, a proxy relion of the Jews, a fifth column for the Jews and the reason “Christian” Nations have always let them in to destroy them from within.
    It’s not even a real religion, but a DEFAULT life position when one doesn’t know who he is, what is real etc. It is like the thirsty guy who gos into a sports bar for a drink (thinks sports are stupid) and says “How bout them Cowboys!” Its a safe way of communicating with people you don’t know, because you sure as hell don’t, and you think maybe they do.. Well they are just as confused as you and are using the same code language that is popular with most others.
    The problem with Christians….they’re NOT! they are only pretending to believe what evryone else is pretending to believe so as not to be dercieved as different. If they WERE real Christians, they would do as Christ demanded..give all their worldly possesions to the poor, abandon their families and hit the road preaching the Gospel, and not give a thought to where their next meal was coming from. Indeed, survival would be the LAST thing on their mind.
    Also the great historical acheivements of so-called Christian civilizations were NOT the result of Christianity but of RACE. If Christianity were prerequisite for civilization, what about the Chinese civilization? What has Christianity done for the blacks in Africa, who have been Christianized since Stanley and Livingston?
    If you BELIEVE the bible you also believe the Jews are Gods “Chosen people’ if you don’t believe that then you are not a Christian but a pretender who just uses it as a default language to be politically correct.
    Back in the 80s when as a backlash to all the craziness of drugs, free sex, crime etc. America had a “revival” (religious fit) and all the politicians suddenly became Christians practically overnight. It is well that they turned away from the degeneracy, the problem is they REALLY DIDN”T, they just stuffed it in the closet. Had they decided to acknowledge NATURAL LAW we wouldn’t be in this mess. But no, they fell back on the default position that had SEEMED to work so well for their dead ancestors of an entirely different historical epoch.
    The problem with Christianity is it is not true. Believing things that are not true is dangerous. The only two ways Christians can help white people is by one; being a spy in the enemy camp who sows division amongst the congregation and Two; denouncing christianity as JEWISH and a FALSE GOD’
    And for those poor fools who think they too are chosen by association to the jews are no better than the Jews and we don’t need them.

  41. March 9, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Claims based on religious doctrine are not the way to persuade educated people of today; on the contrary, it’s the way to repel them.

    Hi Hadding / Mr. Scott

    I appreciate what you do. That’s 100% sincere. Your website. Your work here. All of it. You seem like a dedicated pro-White person, and I appreciate that.

    (I don’t mean any offense to Lasha Darkmoon by writing that. She seems bright and knowledgeable too.)

    But I want to bring up something. And that is — I read Dr. Pierce was married five times. I know you are a big supporter of Dr. Pierce, and from the few broadcasts that I’ve listened to, I like a lot of what he has to say. He’s bright and bold.

    But doesn’t it say something about a guy when he four of his marriages fail?

    I’m bringing this up because I think it is related to religion, and the good things that come from a genuine belief in God. I think there can be a healthy kind of Christianity. And I think Dr. Pierce mentions a similar thing in one of his talks.

    (I’m not suggesting that you have said that pro-White people should not be religious.)

    I’m bringing these things up because I honestly respect your thoughts on it.

    Also, I read Hitler might have eventually phased out Christianity or something like that. Do you believe that is true? I know you are knowledgeable about him. I know very (very) little about him.

    I’m interested in your thoughts. No offense will be taken if you aren’t interested in replying for whatever reason.

    Take care.

  42. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 8, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink


    Call me a detail guy ,but, I’d like to know what really happened.
    I do know that A-rabs with box cutters has been ruled out if sanity still counts for anything.

  43. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 7, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns: Knowing your interest in media-managed events here’s one for your private enjoyment. goo.gl/2TDlV

  44. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    March 7, 2012 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose: Reagan was pro-Israel, but he did not pave the way for that Abomination on the Mall, the Holocaust Museum. That was President Carter and, incidentally, the US taxpayers are paying $50 million a year to keep that Abomination open.

    As for the MLK memorial, Reagan was not responsible for that either. He initially opposed it but political reality forced his signature.

  45. Bill's Gravatar Bill
    March 7, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    @fender: @Hadding Scott:
    I think we are Americans, but the Left will never let that be. It was the blacks choice to call themselves “African Americans”. So we are “Americans”. But the left will not allow that because of the power it involkes. To them we are nothing. I listened to the Pat Buchanan/Rachel Maddux. Her words at the end of the interview are chilling. Please listen to the full interview to get the impact of her words and her truth.

    I agree that we should not speak in religious terms. If one is a Christian, One surely would think that if the “devil” was in the Garden tempting Christ, he was also in the Temple tempting the Jews.
    Christianity is the greatest strategy of the all time, a total control of the thinking and actions of millions of followers.
    Saul Alinsky, rules for radicals.

  46. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    March 7, 2012 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Yes i agree and my main point is a PR one. Sure, ‘European’ has some negative aspects for Americans but the word ‘White’ just turns off far more prospects.

    I’m reminded of the scene from Tarrantino’s Ww2 film where the German claims to have matched the Jewish level of propaganda/film and the older wiser German doesn’t believe it for a second.

    Re: Christianity. Europeans should be using this as proof of their higher ethics/morality. What other group of people accepted an alien/foreign God based purely on themes, ideology, example.

    Whenever I hear someone critique Christendom like an Internet geek chasing plotholes from the latest hollywood film… I realize how distorted the current paradigm is.

  47. Bill's Gravatar Bill
    March 7, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    anti racist is not the most important code which means “anti white”.
    Anti Semitic” is the code for anti white.

  48. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    March 7, 2012 - 11:06 am | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro: You nailed it, Michael. We have to get more Americans thinking outside the JewBox.

  49. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 7, 2012 - 9:22 am | Permalink


    hey Trenchant , I appreciate your posts buddy.

    yeah, “embedded” and most people just shrug their shoulders.
    Here is it common knowledge that the military stacks the media with agents (and/or vice versa) and people are still lead by their noses to accept the official version of events. As you know, there are even some posters on here who feel that buildings can fall down by themselves. lol

  50. Bohemianh's Gravatar Bohemianh
    March 7, 2012 - 8:42 am | Permalink

    Pat B. is my hero, he has always stood up for the Truth! More than I can say for most people! God Bless him!

  51. ApocalypseAnarch's Gravatar ApocalypseAnarch
    March 7, 2012 - 8:16 am | Permalink

    Damn spell checker. Jew weapon/ not hew. jews hate/ not gate

  52. ApocalypseAnarch's Gravatar ApocalypseAnarch
    March 7, 2012 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    Claiming Christianity as an ancient hew weapon is wrong. Jews gate, and fear Christianity in its true firm mire than an Odinist. I’ve seen jews literally snear, and hiss at a true Catholic. Also Orthodox.
    Christianity was the bane of the Jew for millenia, as well as the cement of European culture, and aristocracy.
    Jews HATE white Christians!

  53. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 7, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: Fine words. 9/11 killed all my illusions about a free press. “Embedded” took on a new meaning for me!

  54. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 7, 2012 - 12:08 am | Permalink


    I’m ususally far down on the comments as I have too little time but I noticed your remarks to fender and thought I’d respond. That is to simply counsel that imagining you are going to appeal to fender’s reason vis a vis Christianity is the paradigmatic exercise in futility. That coconut is impenetrable. He would do well to yield to the vastness of Western Civilization’s bond with Christianity and humbly defer to the majority of us who are still professing Christians in at least not reflexively arguing about the matter but you see he KNOWS that Christianity is immaterial (and I – that is, He MEANS immaterial literally speaking). How he knows this is obvious – it is his presupposition and so his reasoning is circular and so will be your attempt at reasoning with him. A word to the wise…

    BTW, Jesus did not declare, teach or otherwise communicate that Jews per se were the children of Satan. Those to whom he was speaking when he pronounced that were obviously and the reasons are clear. Those particular Jews were high-handedly, publicly and insolently opposing him, also desiring his murder. The description you site of Jesus hair color, physiognomy or what-have-you is almost certainly apocryphal and is completely unnecessary in gleaning otherwise that Jesus was in fact essentially white. These items really are a rather jejune recitation and a distraction. The power of the Christian narrative lies in its transcendent creeds, doctrines, antiquity, astonishing body of work (art, literature, music, etc.), transformed lives, cultures and nations, and most cogently of all the Divine nature of the Scriptures themselves and their empowerment by the Spirit of God to enlighten the whole wide world and all peoples in it.

  55. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 6, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    oh, and typos are not great either, but, I beg your pardon, I make them with sincerely bad typing.

  56. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 6, 2012 - 11:34 pm | Permalink

    @Fredrick Toben:

    When I first discovered Ernst Zundel, I thought that the entire world would shutter with the revelation about what they hollowcost really is. I thought that the world would transform for the better in short order.
    Boy was I wrong.

    Miost people are stupid sheep that can not see the beautiful glory of truth. Most people are wanting to be comfortable at any cost. Most people are incapable of independent thought. Most people need to be lead by their noses.

    I said most people, and you are not most people Fredrick Toben.
    Hats off to you and to all who are like you. Particularly Ernst.
    I appreciate truth above all else. Truth is beauty and life. Lies are ugliness and death.
    Truth will prevail despite most people !

  57. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    @Heather Blue:
    One can attack a system by breaking it down into components. Then one attacks either the components or the connections between them. We can do this!

  58. HarryO's Gravatar HarryO
    March 6, 2012 - 11:02 pm | Permalink


    Anyone of a mind to appreciate TOO is not easily rendered incredulous as to the latest filthy perversion on Jew TV but this is, well incredible. I don’t view sitcoms, dramas, etc. so I would not likely be made aware of such without hearing coincidentally about it as per your comment and HL for eg. Yea, I’m still rather…incredulous. It is very nigh impossible also to believe that there is any hope of a nation and a culture in some core and vital way again resembling the U.S. of a mere 50 years ago when such decadence becomes the latest addition to an already creaking, groaning, collapsing “cultural” structure.

  59. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    March 6, 2012 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    While the public is disposed to equate making noise with exerting influence, the decision of an executive in an office need not have been influenced by any of that in the slightest. I suggest that the decision to fire Buchanan from MSNBC may have been based on a consideration that is relatively or even completely obscure to the general public.

    I once read a theory that real power in any organization always boils down to the decision of just one person at the very top and from behind the scenes.
    I think this theory is roughly true whether it be a news corp or an entire country and even the world.

  60. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m inclined to think she was guilty, both of insider trading and lying about it. The interesting thing, to me, is why she was singled out of the thousands who do it every day. She proved that even the rich and famous cannot escape justice! Clearly our regulatory agencies are doing an outstanding job. Of course you can trust Bernie Madoff, he has been cleared by the Securities and Exchange Commission twice! Worth every tax dollar to protect the American people. Makes you proud to be an American!

  61. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 6, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Interestingly, their were no tapes of Stewart’s interview, nor any verbatim notes to corroborate the State’s accusation of lying. I’m totally shocked and mortified!

  62. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 6, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    the Joos and their ‘tolerant’ Diversity Project.
    Stop buying such DREK [news papers, cable] and its lies.

    ‘Schindler is “humbled” by the award and “awed” to be connected to past winners, but true to form, she says she doesn’t deserve it.

    Others disagree.

    “Judy epitomizes what it means to be involved,” said Sis Kaplan, a former Woman of the Year winner [!!!!!!!]
    and Beth El congregant. “Her depth and breadth of involvement is just plain inspiring. Her reaching out to the broader community has become a real asset – one of understanding – to the Jewish community’ [in their diversity project].

  63. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 6, 2012 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Dave perlmutt, uh vey,
    who reads such [haha] drek??

    Email Print Order Reprint
    Share This
    By David Perlmutt – dperlmutt@charlotteobserver.com

    She’s a spirited speck of a woman who has become a towering force for inclusion and tolerance in a city that still largely lives and prays apart.

    Yet there is Judy Schindler, Charlotte’s first female rabbi, always reaching out, always building alliances and pushing for more interfaith dialogue – and connections.

    When the cause is right, she never shies from conflict or calamity.


  64. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the correction.

  65. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 6, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: As I recall, Martha Stewart was convicted for lying to a Federal Agent, not for insider trading (risible as a “crime”, but a reality nonetheless).

  66. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 6:58 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    The problem is that dumb White women (suburban, poorly-educated, ugly) end up miscegenating with blacks and smart White women (Ivy League-educated, wealthy, attractive) end up miscegenating with Jews, and so all we’re left with is mediocre Whites.

  67. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    March 6, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Wow, we seem to disagree with everybody at one time or the other. I guess that is because positions that used to be relevant become passé (useless) as we move inexorably through Armageddon.

    Alex Linder said this and I agree. It can only be cleared up one person at a time until our side controls mass media, and mass media means tv and nothing else. Until our message is coming from authority, we’ll have to reclaim minds one at a time.

    Our struggle is against a system, a parasitic system… not just another ethnic group or a Race. Since Jews live among aliens in alien nations it is easier for them to stick together and work as a unit – especially as their goal is to systematically obtain ALL the wealth and power of the alien nations. Since white people live in white countries and NOT among aliens and do not seek or want anything from them we do not perform as a unit against them.

    A parasitic system, in my opinion, is very hard to deal with. It would be much easier for us if we had to deal with individuals, or an ethnic group or a Race, but a system – a parasitic system – is a whole different ball game. Perhaps, our learned gentlemen could figure out how we might be able to break a disastrous system.

  68. Gerald Martin's Gravatar Gerald Martin
    March 6, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    I also disagree with Michael Hoffman that “Buchanan is part of the problem.” (Limbaugh certainly is, but that’s another subject.) Given the paradigm he works from – a traditional, patriotic Catholic who grew up in a white dominated society where today’s dominant pathologies were already in place but had not quite morphed into today’s virulently deadly forms (radical individualism, universalism, and materialism combined with worship of capitalism & the idea of progress) – Buchanan has been a magnificent fighter in our cause.

    Yes, Buchanan’s version of that – a restoration of the pre-1965 American Republic – is a lost cause, and was never realistic. His greatest weakness is his failure to see the seeds of destruction present in the vanished republic he still worships. (Indeed, too great a nostalgia for America’s past has blinded many people who should be on our side, like the Tea Party folks, from seeing clearly that the perils threatening us today come directly from that past.)

    It will interesting to see if Buchanan – in his old age, buffeted & humiliated by the very media world he helped to create – will be able to shift his paradigm closer to a true understanding of our predicament. As a traditional Catholic, he already has a built-in suspicion of modernity & egalitarianism, and a respect for hierarchy,(to say nothing of his well-known understanding of Jewish power) which could move him in our direction.

    And he has said many times – like many of the young guns of the alternative right (Alex Kurtagic, for example), that victory for us must come through cultural transformation first, which can only then be followed by political progress.

    Pat is like an old lion, with many broken spears imbedded in his mane. He’s dripping blood right now, but I’m hopeful he’s got a few roars – and bites – left in him.

    And on a related note, I see the usual suspects are ganging up to destroy the latest attempt by American Renaissance to hold a conference. Change.org has started a petition to persuade the Tennessee state government to kick AR out of the conference facility at a state park they have rented for this year’s event.

  69. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    @Lombard: @Mickey Meadows:
    I don’t understand the objection to white – I will not follow black Americans through the indignity of trying on different names to try and gain a identity. European peoples works okay to speak of us on an international level, dignified, but not exactly catchy.

    That said, I think you guys are on to something. We know who we are – yet somehow we really stumble on phrasing things – even to each other. We need all of our people’s talents and ideas, including PR.

  70. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 6, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink


    I agree that “White” isn’t currently a good name. European-descendent is a possibility. Likewise ‘National Socialism’ isn’t currently a good tag. If it is embued with positive characteristics it should be possible to simply advocate those characteristics without giving the package any name at all. Or create a wholly new name and identify it with those positive characteristics. Characteristically Judaism and/or Zionism is not far from National Socialism, so what’s in a name.
    You’re right….this should be no brainer PR 101 stuff. But look on the bright side…just imagine the boost when that day comes when PR is intelligent, professional and on the money.

  71. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Indeed, European is what white means. If forced to declare myself a hyphenated American I an a real-American.

  72. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 6, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink


    Southern European populations have some mixed blood but I would imagine that when they think about this, in their minds-eye Americans might be visualizing the Hispanic situatioin which it is very far away from being. Spain has whole regions where blonde hair is the norm. Northern Italians could be Germans. Similarly Greece. The response to the legacy of [some] miscegenation appears to have been the emergence of implicity breeding barriers.
    Europeans are going to be very hard to breed away. By and large they don’t want to do it….even when totally immersed in propaganda that they do want to do it, and actually thinking that it’s a great idea. They still don’t want to do it, by and large.
    Then where it does occur, the offspring always exit the European people. Obama is black. This isn’t a subjective/cultural effect…the distinguishing European characteristics are completely gone. European features seem almost to be an adaptation for the purpose of providing a barrier to miscegenation. Not by preventing it ougtright, but by resisting the result of it from admission into the gene pool.
    Another thought is that miscegenation is overwhelmingly more frequent in lower social classes and/or lower IQ. Given the progeny then exit the gene pool, would this be exerting a eugenic effect on the white population? Or is that misconceived?

  73. March 6, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink


    I notice even David Duke now uses the term, ‘European peoples’ instead of White which is far smarter and shows more respect on a historical scale.

    A large part of the White population of the United States, especially in Appalachia, does not regard itself as European at all, but answers “American” on census forms. These people would probably not like being called European-American.

  74. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    @GREZCM: On a second reading, I think you misunderstood my tone. I am not suggesting that she ought to have gone to prison, rather that she was singled out and made an example of because she is Polish. It also served to gain attention and suggest that all financial crimes are so minor and that they are adequately policed.

  75. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink


    “The references to Illiad and Aenid are very interesting considering (i dare say) most WN’s would like to cast off the South European aspect.”

    The Greece and Italy of today are very different from what they were during the Hellenic era. Remember that the Turks and another non-Whites subjugated Greece, and that southern Italy suffered from invasions from Northern Africa. Not to mention the probability of the Romans miscegenating with a lot of their captured non-White slaves, producing a dysgenic effect.

    I haven’t read a lot of anti-Southern European rhetoric from WN’s. I’d find that shocking to be honest, because the National Socialists were very much enamored with Greek and Roman aesthetics. So were our Founding Fathers.

    I also agree that there shouldn’t be religious arguments among WN’s, or at least, not too many. Genes are the deciding factor when it comes to race and civilization, and I’m confident that the downfalls of Greece and Rome can be directly attributed to dysgenic practices. I believe with eugenics, White Europeans can overcome Spengler’s cyclical determinism.

  76. March 6, 2012 - 2:23 pm | Permalink


    I didn’t finish watching the video, either. And, like you, I read/skimmed only a small amount of the article you linked to.

    It’s difficult for me to endure that kind of empty, destructive, nonsensical propaganda.

  77. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    March 6, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    The references to Illiad and Aenid are very interesting considering (i dare say) most WN’s would like to cast off the South European aspect. In fact, the very term ‘White’ shows how little marketing skill is involved compared to the Jews’ tactics.
    I notice even David Duke now uses the term, ‘European peoples’ instead of White which is far smarter and shows more respect on a historical scale.
    Honestly, there really shouldn’t be any religious arguments at all. because all our history should be cherished for what it was and conflict over pagan/mono/cath/prot etc only plays into the enemies’ game.

    Really, it’s as stupid as Jews openly debating whether us goy are more like cows or goats.

  78. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 1:50 pm | Permalink


    Spengler would probably argue that the reason why Jews gained power was because the West was already decaying by that point (the 1800s) and that it had fully become a Civilization (materialistic, pragmatic, faithless) as opposed to what is was earlier, which was a Culture (creative, artistic, traditional).

  79. March 6, 2012 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    @Richard at 11:55am. Yep. I have difficulty watching that kind of stuff as I have a sensitive gag/vomit reflix. As it was I only skimmed the article at the link I posted.

  80. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “I have not read Spengler in any depth, German writers make me cranky. I will take your recommendation and give him a decent try.”

    The full version of Decline of the West is something like a thousand pages, but Amazon has an abridged 400-page version that’s more than adequate.

    “Even if he is right, is it cause or effect? Is it a coincidence that our civilization began dying when we abandoned religion for our dance with the Enlightenment? Which is also when we decided to experiment with the emancipation of the Jews?”

    His idea is that all civilizations follow the same determined cycle, which he divides into Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter. When civilizations adopt materialist, pragmatic, and yes, anti-religious ideas, that means they are on the decline. Spengler didn’t go that much into Jews, as he was not antisemitic (though he did vote for Hitler), but I think that the only reason why we failed to suppress Jewish power was because ours was already weakening due to our own ideas.

    “Clearly, we will not resolve this issue tonight. I will read Spengler (or at least try) if you will reconsider the question of who presents the greatest threat to us – our heritage and those who still cherish it or our opponents who hate Christianity.”

    The main problem is who we are, not who Jews are. Jews do what they do: wreck other people’s cultures and nations to strengthen their own. They would not be a problem if we were stronger and more organized. It’s not the Jews’ fault if we are less motivated and organized than they are.

  81. March 6, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @Jett Rucker: There was a sentence that was changed and a punctuation that was fixed before you saw it.

  82. March 6, 2012 - 11:55 am | Permalink


    Here is a video of a “rabbi” who is not only female, she’s a lesbian.

  83. March 6, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: I read this at 1100PM on March 5, and noticed neither typos nor anti-factual statements. Noticeably above the norm for TOO (which in turn is better than most Web sites). I post on blogs, too, and am familiar with the “rush to post,” but I STILL have virtually NO tolerance for messy, wrong material. Don’t malign yourself with excuses. I have seen no need for them here, and would NOT accept them in any case. If you “don’t have time,” don’t post.

  84. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 11:26 am | Permalink

    I certainly love the idea of us, as a people, making choices! I would like to hear more about your idea of organic developments. It is hard for me to imagine organic choices in the poisonous atmosphere that surrounds us now, but it sure is appealing.

  85. john's Gravatar john
    March 6, 2012 - 10:40 am | Permalink

    This IS a religious war whether you are intelligent enough to understand it or not. You obviously know next to nothing about Christianity as you completely incorrectly describe it. We do not follow a ‘jewish god’ – Jesus was not jewish and He stated plainly Himself that the jew was the offspring of satan and did his will. Brandon is correct that the jew is the antichrist, whether you like the sound of the facts or not.
    Jesus was white – read even the contemporary jes description of him as having “hair the colour of a ripe chestnut” and His teachings are the foundation of all Western society and all progress in humankind. Until white people realise WHO they are, and turn back to their white, Christian religion, we will continue to be minimalised and downtrodden, just as the Bible warns us.
    You have the capacity to think obviously, and “your hearts in the right place” , but friend, until you realise the root of our problems, all your, or anyone else’s pontificating wont do us any good. This is indeed a race war, and race is inseparable from religion.

  86. March 6, 2012 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    This is a small example of what I’m talking about
    Of course the article is written by a fellow anti-Christ.

  87. March 6, 2012 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    I don’t think Martha Kostyra Stewart is Jewish at all. However, her husband’s father was a Jew.

  88. James Clayton's Gravatar James Clayton
    March 6, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    Judge Napolitano interview of Bucnanan recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwxpdbyGK2Y&feature=related

  89. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    If you are correct, I am shocked and amazed that she went to jail, her ‘crime’ was so minor and petty compared to Goldman Sacks, I am at a lost to explain it.

  90. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    March 6, 2012 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Jews may celebrate anything and remain Jewish.

  91. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    March 6, 2012 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: My idea isn’t so much concern about forcing others into Christianity or anything else, rather that we don’t force ourselves into knots. That we, as a people, do not make choices that don’t emerge organically from our being, shall we say. That is my concern rather than some sort of external imposition.

  92. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    I did not. I thought she was Catholic – she was originally best known for her Christmas celebrations!

  93. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 8:03 am | Permalink

    Thank you for the kind words. I certainly agree that the spiritual path is, indeed, mysterious, and no one should be forced to accept Christianity. It is not my goal to convert anyone. The point I was trying to make is that there is very little benefit in alienating Christians. I suspect that it was not Christianity that rendered us vulnerable to Jewish predation, but the ancient and universal vice of greed.

  94. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    March 6, 2012 - 8:02 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    And, of course you know, that Mrs. Stewart is a Jewess?

  95. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    March 6, 2012 - 7:58 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Both, Pułaski and Kościuszko, are well remembered.

    If a girl, or a boy, the Pole or of Polish background, is caught while commiting an act of common criminality we, the Poles, authorize you, Americans, to either throw them into the Ocean, or punish them in any way you may fancy.

    Likewise, we suggest, to apply this policy to Jews.

  96. Hooper's Gravatar Hooper
    March 6, 2012 - 7:34 am | Permalink

    Fender and Alice are two of the most thoughtful posters on this site and I always make a point of reading their comments. I also happen to be very much on the fence on this issue and am thus weighing both sides of this discussion with a thought to where I actually come down on this important question.

    I do think that Renaissance art, which was ostensibly Christian, embodied every bit of the confidence, beauty and strength of the Greeks and provides evidence that such vigor and vitality can (or at least could) exist within Christianity. I, however, doubt that Christianity is any longer an appropriate vessel to capture that spirit. Ultimately, however, I do not think that a spiritual vision can be implemented intentionally, especially as a means to an end (such as saving our people). There has to be something mysterious and organic about a spiritual path. In other words, we can’t all just agree that Christianity is necessary for the salvation of European peoples, and force ourselves to be Christians and think it will work. I think we have to be sensitive to sources of vitality and stumble through this process, half-blind, but with a sense of what cues to pick up on.

  97. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 7:20 am | Permalink

    We still honor Casimir Pulaski and Thaddeus Kosciuszko, however, I have long thought it odd that it was a nice Polish girl, Martha Steward, who spend time in jail for insider trading in this era of near universal financial corruption.

  98. March 6, 2012 - 6:42 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    I know the divide is there but then you have to appreciate anyone who lasts the distance, even having to fight the enemy within.
    I also felt odd about anyone hunting down those faceless-secretive groups but recall how now we openly talk about the Bilderbergs, and then I think of Mark Twain’s wisdom: ‘In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.’
    Somehow I sense that this is now happenign with matters Holocaust because there are too many things falling apart – but then remember how on 20 April 1988 Zundel at his Toronto trial handed, as he said, the Fuehrer a birthday present in the form of The Leuchter Report. Revisionists and more importantly, the hangers on and fringe dwellers who shy away from going the whole way, were ready to claim victory over the Holocaust-Auschwitz lie. One historian in 1993 claimed that within 5 years he’ll single-handedly sink the Auschwitz. Unfortunately as the Schopenhauer maxim predicted, truth emerged then from the ridicule stage and moved to its second stage where legal persecution became vicious for Zundel, Faurisson, Verbeke, Walendy, Rudolf, Irving, Frohlich, Graf, Honsik, Mahler, Stolz, myself, and many more.
    I may be misreading the situation but I sense now with the larger global financial problems expressing themselves through those military actions that deflect the focus on things money, this Holocaust-Shoah controversy is becoming less important. If that is the case, then it will perhaps move into its final stage where it’s myths are just accepted as a given, i.e. that it was all a product of war-time propaganda, that it had no reality in space and time but was a huge lucrative memory fiction. Remember the Rosenblatt fellow who admitted his story of the apple was a lie ‘but in my mind it was true’!
    I am looking forward to your second section where you will no doubt continue to clarify and unravel the shrouds of deception on the current issue.

  99. Panina's Gravatar Panina
    March 6, 2012 - 6:11 am | Permalink

    Great analysis.

    Conservatives or alt-righters accusing “the Left” or “extreme left movements” for so and so have always made me laugh.

    They conveniently forget that those who make the decisions are not fringe political movements and associations. They are those who are at the top, those who rule. And they could totally choose to ignore the claims of these fringe political movements.

    We have come to a point where a conservative or a libertarian who still ignores the racial/sociobiological problem is a tool and a useful idiot who has no grasp of the world around him.

    A bit like those on the “HBD sphere” who blame Blacks for corrupting America’s youths with rap and r’n’b music. Who are the producers? Who are the media owners? Who are the advertisers? Without the consent of the latter, Blacks would still be drumming cotton fields.

  100. March 6, 2012 - 6:04 am | Permalink

    I have a kind of mixed view of Carto.

    I don’t know if his current tabloid is any better, but I used to see copies of Spotlight regularly and it was just trash. I had a hard time understanding how anybody could read such stuff. All that focus on what powerful people might be saying in secret meetings lends itself to sensationalist exaggeration and distortion, and not infrequently some stories are circulated that turn out to be total bs. It seems to me that Alex Jones has simply taken that tendency to the next level; he’s even worse. People that focus on all that spooky dubiousness unfortunately tend to do so at the expense of obvious and demonstrable facts. Today we call the people that have that kind of focus patriotards.

    The Barnes Review, however, is good.

  101. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    March 6, 2012 - 5:51 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Not Polish communities specifically.

    Although rural living is more healthful, cities are centers of power. Reducing or diluting the presence of White people in cities is a way of reducing the power of White people.

    Maybe, but I will stand by my remark. Poland had had only one window of sympathy in America – when Wilson supported our independence.
    After WW2 it was another matter. Poland, along with all countries from Stettin to Triest to the East, was given to Moscow. Having a well-organized emigre community, form behind the Iron Curtain, would be troubling, thus all were destroyed.
    1) Demjaniuk case: he would have died untroubled in U.S., but he had fancied to participate in Ukrainian emigre activities. This put him under the radar of bolshevik KGB. Now, he is most wanted to die, in order to spare our authorities the embarrassement of sentencing him for actions he had never been part of,
    2. the Edward Mazur’s case
    This agent of bolshevik Poland, entangled in the murder of chief commander of police, was not extradited by the U.S., despite a request from Polish authorities.
    America has long ago abandoned all productive nations, who contributed to building its’ might.

  102. March 6, 2012 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    … and add to that Arthur Butz’s The Hoax of the Twentieth Century , and recall the other giant of Revisionism the founder of the IHR, et al, Willis Carto, and his publishing Did Six Million Really Die? – see

  103. March 6, 2012 - 5:15 am | Permalink


    The destruction of the Polish communities was a hidden goal of the American ruling elites since immediately after the WW2.

    Not Polish communities specifically.

    Although rural living is more healthful, cities are centers of power. Reducing or diluting the presence of White people in cities is a way of reducing the power of White people.

  104. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    March 6, 2012 - 5:08 am | Permalink

    The reasonradionetwork.com has a talk by Robert Stark with E. Michael Jones (here).
    Mr. Jones addressed the destruction of Catholic communities established by Polish emigres in Deroit and Chicago (Negroes were brought in, in order to destroy the Catholic communities).
    The destruction of the Polish communities was a hidden goal of the American ruling elites since immediately after the WW2. To this effect, not only on-site agents were employed, but also American secret service tolerated the bolshevik agents from behind the Iron Curtain.

  105. March 6, 2012 - 4:59 am | Permalink

    @Fredrick Toben: Indeed! What Ernst Zundel did cannot be undone. Of course it was Professor Faurisson that laid the groundwork, but without a hero to put the idea into action, it wouldn’t have had anywhere near as much effect.

  106. March 6, 2012 - 4:53 am | Permalink

    That applause still continues to sound for this giant German-Canadian Revisionist who did so much to expose the many Holocaust-Shoah lies to the world.

  107. March 6, 2012 - 4:45 am | Permalink

    @Fredrick Toben: I also remember that when Ernst Zundel walked in, you called attention to him and everybody applauded.

  108. March 6, 2012 - 4:43 am | Permalink

    @Fredrick Toben: You talked about your desperate, failed attempt to have a conciliatory conference with Abe Foxman at the Museum of Tolerance. “DEEtroit City” was just the first thing that came to mind.

  109. March 6, 2012 - 4:16 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    If you only remembered that Deetroit item from my talk in Toronto, then most likely my comments here are also firgettable! Nice to see your article anyway – gives me hope that there are more individuals who have the courage to cut through the nonsense parading as an orthodoxy.

  110. March 6, 2012 - 3:48 am | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks:

    It struck me that most WN’s I ran across did not like Buchanan, seeming to follow Linder’s dismissal of Buchanan and Sam Francis “Squinty Pat and Canny Sammy”

    I’ve argued with Linder about that (e.g. here). I disagree with Linder’s premise that WN is a “zero-sum game.” To the extent that it may be possible to enlighten and bring people into WN from the mainstream, it’s anything but a zero-sum game.

    The crucial question about Buchanan or any other figure is whether he is moving people toward or away from the truth. From a WN starting point, Buchanan would represent a step backwards, but WNs are not the bulk of Buchanan’s audience.

    Frankly, I have a hard time reading Buchanan’s stuff, because it’s like going back to ideological kindergarten. But many people need kindergarten as a stepping stone.

    I would hope that anybody whose understanding has progressed beyond Buchanan’s very moderate positions would preferentially support the grades above kindergarten.

  111. March 6, 2012 - 3:14 am | Permalink

    @Will Fredericks:

    Sounds like you’ve got a ways to go then, LOL

    Why you would quote Matt Koehl to me is a big mystery. You seem to keep insisting that I must fit some preconceived notion of yours.

    It reminds me of when I started middle school and there was a bully that insisted, without knowing me in the slightest, that I was just like my older brother, and that was his justification for constantly giving me grief. Nothing that I could say or do could convince this troglodyte that I was not just like my older brother. That’s pretty much how you behave toward me here.

    I am into thinking thinks through with minimal influence of Hollywood.

  112. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    March 6, 2012 - 2:37 am | Permalink

    Naah, Spengler is wrong, in terms of art, philosophy, architecture, etc. The West isn’t exhausted. What has occurred is that the Jew has throttled back pretty much every form of artistic and intellectual expression there is. You want funding? You have to kow tow to the local Jewry and follow their filthy, tasteless dictates. Otherwise no public displays and so on.

    The Jews control Hollywood and the recording industry and have turn both venues into busted sewer lines and giving us the most moronic and diseased offerings imaginable.

    Tom Wolfe exposed them(arts and architecture) years back, though he didn’t come out explicitly and name them.

    With the Jews controlling the newsmedia(or jewmedia), they can easily silence public expressions that they don’t like.

    The last thing they haven’t got control is science in our universities but they are working like demons to do so. The thing is, they rightfully see science as the crown jewel of the Enlightenment and because of that, it must be ghettoized or so marginalized that no one will.

    That said, economic populism and nationalism are wonderful antidotes to Jewish manipulation and is why they work so very hard to squelch any manifestation of either. Their nightmare is a modern day Huey Long or a younger Ross Perot with loads of money.

    They fear economic populism because it points a accusing finger at Wall Street and the banking cartel both of which are controlled by the Tribe and are to blame for a host of associated ills.

    Nationalism they fear because it runs against globalism and multiculturalism, which are in turn the two things they are shoving down our collective throats. They do not want whites to be proud of their nation and culture, they want people to hate the U.S. and West and tear it down like good little Marxists.

    Lastly as the economic wheels come off the U.S. welfare/police state, the Jews will lose their influence and their vehicle to destroy Whites. Hence their collective pulling out all the stops to keep the beast alive.

  113. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    March 6, 2012 - 2:32 am | Permalink

    Indeed Jarvis, this is what I found at TAKI just tonite!

    I attended an event for Pat Buchanan and his biographer Tim Stanley at DC’s Politics and Prose Bookstore on February 17. After Tim and Pat’s informative presentations, the audience was invited to ask questions. Most of the questions seemed to come from admiring remnants of the Buchanan Brigades.
    But there was one discordant note that came from a disheveled grouch who I knew would be a pain as soon as I heard his opening statement: “Now, I’m going to say something you won’t want to hear.”
    What followed was resentment badly masked as “concern.” This party pooper announced that he was Jewish and therefore entitled to special consideration in this mixed multitude. He was feeling very insecure because “There would be no place for me in a world without the diversity that Mr. Buchanan would like to abolish.” He seemed to think everyone else in the room should grant him an elevated status——because of his ancestry.

  114. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    March 6, 2012 - 1:47 am | Permalink

    From any half-objective angle, the Rupert Turdoch media should appear as a shakedown operation masquerading as news gathering/disseminating service. Full 72 hours before the latest elections even got underway in Russia, the British offshoot of Turdoch’s Hasbara TV otherwise known as Sky News was already airing reports of ‘vote rigging’.
    After Silvio Berlusconi rebuffed Turdoch’s attempts to gain a foothold in the lucrative Italian media market, the latter retaliated by publishing hit pieces alleging Berlusconi had whored around with underage girls.
    I reckon you’ve heard of the severity of the Turdochs’ current predicament vis-à-vis British law.
    While your loyal correspondent seldom cared for the right-winger Pat, he did an honorable deed by choosing to not trade media access (read: steady and growing income) for journalistic principles on the road to Shabbosgoyville. That on which so many contemporary kohnservatives not merely travel but practically dwell (read: George Will & Co.).
    Hooking up with renowned “philosemite” Taki for the AmeriCon magazine project proved another delicious poke in the side of Team Yitzhak.

  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 6, 2012 - 1:12 am | Permalink

    I have not read Spengler in any depth, German writers make me cranky. I will take your recommendation and give him a decent try.

    Even if he is right, is it cause or effect? Is it a coincidence that our civilization began dying when we abandoned religion for our dance with the Enlightenment? Which is also when we decided to experiment with the emancipation of the Jews?

    Clearly, we will not resolve this issue tonight. I will read Spengler (or at least try) if you will reconsider the question of who presents the greatest threat to us – our heritage and those who still cherish it or our opponents who hate Christianity.

  116. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Walter L:

    I’m bored with these arguments. The spirituality that you and other Christians derisively refer to as “paganism” produced some of Europe’s greatest poetry and philosophy, from the Nordic sagas to the Greek epics. These faiths united us to the here and now, the material reality before us. They affirmed life, power, and beauty. They taught us to strive for physical and mental perfection. It was good to be tall and proud, it was bad to be weak and wretched.

    Then Christianity came along. Suddenly we were supposed to ignore our physical bodies and care for our “souls.” Now we were supposed to ignore the real world and hope for the ideal world, Heaven. Now we were to become a “good,” “moral” people with a “social conscience.” Now we were to see pride as a sin, and the hopeless and wretched and sick and ugly as the “good” people, and the strong and beautiful and proud as the “evil” people.

    Can’t you see the beginnings of liberalism, bolshevism, and socialism in Christianity? Aren’t these all ultimately Jewish ideals? Isn’t it the same nonsense repeated over and over? The tribe has been at this for thousands of years: inverting values and destroying nature and intellect itself.

    I know we’re never going to agree on this, but this is what I believe. I don’t consider myself a “pagan” and I don’t believe in Greek or Nordic or Slavic Gods. I do, however, believe in what these pre-Christian Gods teach us about life.

    I’ll end this with a quote from Goethe;

    “Upon my renewed studies of Homer I feel deeply what an inexpressible misfortune the Jewish trash has caused us. if we had never learned to know the actions of the Sodomites and the Egyptian-Babylonian whims, and if Homer had remained our Bible, what a different aspect humanity would have had “

  117. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 6, 2012 - 12:37 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “We cannot untangle ourselves from Christianity.”

    Not true. Like Oswald Spengler outlined in The Decline of the West, Christian (Western) civilization is pretty much dead, like the Hellenic Europe before it. All possible Western forms- political, religious, artistic, philosophical- have been exhausted.

    We’re witnessing the death of the West and the beginning of something new. What matters is that the European people survive and that they create a new civilization. This new civilization will have new politics, new religion, new art, and new truths. I don’t know if you’ve read Spengler, but to me his writings on civilizational cycles are monumental. I highly recommend them.

    Of course, this new civilization won’t come into being if the tribe manages to genocide us all. I don’t like making predictions but I don’t have much hope for the Nordics and Anglos. I believe they’ll be assimilated into the invading brown hordes. Central and Eastern Europe can go either way. If they have a sudden birth rate explosion I can definitely see Russia becoming the European superpower and fulfilling the role that Greece, Rome, England, and the US formerly played.

  118. Walter L's Gravatar Walter L
    March 6, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    Mr. Fender,

    When you stop and think about it there is not a big difference between Brandon saying the Jews are the anti-Christ and you saying that Christians are bunch schizophrenics.

    But I supposed that since you have a PhD from one of the thousand or so great universities that pagans have established throughout Europe and America that you must know what you are talking about.

    In our coming battles with the Jew is it a good strategy to get rid of the millions of men and women that have logical arguments but the arguments date back to the Middle Ages?

  119. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 5, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Or rather, that inspires repulsion in me.

  120. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 5, 2012 - 11:50 pm | Permalink

    @ Fender:
    “cohesiveness” could also be read as slavish conformity. Buck the trend stipulated by the Elders, and the Tribe will smite you. I’m repulsed, but that’s just me. ☺

  121. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 5, 2012 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

    “Remember, Jews do a pretty good job silencing their mouthy rabbis who babble on about the “evil spirits” of “gentiles.”

    I think it’s more likely that the Western media doesn’t give any prominence to these utterances, rather than Jews silencing rabbis. Information-asymmetry due to language must help.

  122. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 5, 2012 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    William Pierce: Why They Hate Buchanan

    Dr. William Pierce comments on the mass-media’s treatment of Pat Buchanan during the Republican presidential primaries of 1996.

    Transcript at http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs963a.html.

    Interesting that Pierce seems to like Buchanan

    He’s not a revolutionary. He’s a conservative. He’s a Republican. He’s a Christian. He’s simply a fellow with old-fashioned values, and he’s a fighter.” (his emphasis)

    It struck me that most WN’s I ran across did not like Buchanan, seeming to follow Linder’s dismissal of Buchanan and Sam Francis “Squinty Pat and Canny Sammy”

  123. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 5, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    I do not accept some of your underlying premises. I do not agree that it Christianity which left us open to predation by Jews, rather, I think Christianity caught on with us because it speaks to something in our nature. It is precisely this something that causes you not to want to join the Jews, despite the material advantages they may offer.

    We cannot untangle ourselves from Christianity. It incorporates the great pagan thinkers, seeks the good, the true and the beautiful. It has, tragically, been damaged by the assault on it, as has every other institution in Christendom. We owe our great art, literature, schools of thought, to it. Any serious study of history will show that the Christianity has not always suffered from the malady you ascribe to it now.

    Even if you are entirely right, is this the primary issue that must be dealt with? Or do we need as many folks on our side as we can get? Perhaps if we tackle the worst threats first, we will have the leisure to help our fellows see the light.

    White freedom may depend on white unity, not agreement on issues that are not primary.

    Of course we need intellectuals, and in my opinion some of the smartest, wisest, most eloquent voices among us seem to have a religious sensibility, and they are the ones with the absolutely essential ingredient, hope.

  124. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I don’t disagree with you. We need all we can get, but that doesn’t mean we should accept all positions and viewpoints. Calling Jews the devil does nothing for us except make us look dumb. it’s the equivalent of a soldier using a faulty rifle; just because it’s a gun doesn’t mean it’ll fire.

    Do I admire the Jews? I admire their drive and cohesiveness, as we all should. I don’t admire their cultural contributions or their way of life in general. In the end they’re middle easterners: gaudy, tasteless, and quite base. They’re nothing like Europeans, nor can they be. That being said, we can learn things from them, especially about argumentation and propaganda.

    As for your point about “paganism”…well, what kind of belief system do you think is more suitable for us? A religion that tells us to love our enemies and worship a Jew while his very tribe is trying to destroy us…or a religion where valor, heroism, duty, and aristocracy are the highest values?

    This is a racial conflict, but like you said, it’s also a spiritual and intellectual one. My opinion is that the system of thought inherent in Christianity does more harm than good. I think it causes a schizophrenic attitude in Europeans. I think a WN who’s well-versed in The Iliad or The Aeneid has a greater sense of the European spirit than one who knows the New Testament by heart.

    I am not inherently against Christian WNs, but I am inherently against the Christian WNs who only attack from a Christian viewpoint. Remember, Jews do a pretty good job silencing their mouthy rabbis who babble on about the “evil spirits” of “gentiles.” Jews prefer racial, political, and intellectual attacks against us. We need to do the same with our people, keep the more religious ones on a short leash and nurture the more intellectual ones.

  125. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 5, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink


    You resourcefulness amazes me. Thanks for many great sources.

  126. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    March 5, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @Bear: http://www.jwire.com.au/news/the-rabbi-and-the-dame/6281

    Not a smoking gun, but certainly food for thought.

  127. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 5, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I submit that this reductionist position is precisely what leaves you with nothing but despair. A howl of pain will not save us. If we are is a war for survival, then we need everything our people have to offer. It is a spiritual, racial, cultural, intellectual war.

    We do not have to agree with each other in every particular, but is it really so much to ask that we mute our personal disdain for groups which make up large segments of the white population? You are right that we should beware of phrases that will automatically alienate some potential ally, and that includes gratuitous insults to people we may be able to win over. Perhaps you have the ability to see into the soul of everyone who does not agree with you, but it is not a widespread talent.

    The jews whom you so much admire have never imagined for one day that this is not a spiritual war. If paganism is the answer, why don’t you just go marry a nice, rich Jewish girl and worship in Hollywood?

  128. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    March 5, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Phil Griffin said, “The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue, much less the dialogue on MSNBC.”

    Hear that, white America? You’re not even worth talking about on the national level, nevermind on the talmudvision. You ready to turn off the tv yet?

  129. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    March 5, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @fender: I’m not sure what is substantively different between your view, here, and what the Jews have beep spewing from their ivory towers amid our universities for the past 100 years.

  130. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink


    It’s not a religious war, it’s a racial war…and the first blow against us was the religion of Christianity, a belief system that tells us to forsake our original pagan religions in favor of worshipping a Jewish martyr, Jewish God, and Jewish hisotrical figures. Give me the pantheon of strong, beautiful Greek Gods any day over the stories of the wretched Hebrews.

  131. March 5, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Silly fools are engaged in a religious war and don’t know it.

  132. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 5, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Claims based on religious doctrine are not the way to persuade educated people of today; on the contrary, it’s the way to repel them.

    Sounds like you’ve got a ways to go then, LOL

    Koehl wrote in Some Guidelines For The Development Of The National Socialist Movement:

    Ultimately the National Socialist doctrine assumes the dimensions of a racial faith. By incorporating Adolf Hitler’s great revelations of eternal Truth and by establishing a whole new basis for making value judgements… National Socialism has, in fact, all the attributes of a dynamic new Aryan religion.


    Koehl reasoned that National Socialism was a revelation complete at the moment of its inception. It was consequently a creed, not an ideology. Divisions and conflicting tendencies in German Nazism, for example, are not permitted to exist in the NSWPP’s scheme. (31) The U.S Nazis have missed the dynamics of the NSDAP and the fact that German Nazism went through an evolutionary process. Nazi Germany would appearas an Aryan fantasy land and the Nazi leaders the disciples of Hitler and never his critics or rivals for power. (32) However the religious aspect of the U.S. Nazi movement goes much further than this. U.S. Nazis believe in a type of religion which can be summarised as follows: Hitler was Christ. Mein Kampf was the Old Testament. Rockwell’s White Power was the New Testament. Rockwell was a Saint Paul. Nazi Germany’s twelve years were ‘The Passion,’ the times of revealed faith and miracles. The war was the crucifixion. The swastika was the cross, a talisman against evil. The Nazi chiefs were Hitler’s disciples. The Nuremberg Trials produced martyrs and forced the faith into the political catacombs. No man spoke Hitler’s name for fear of the Jews. However, Rockwell was converted to the new faith and charged with the mission of proselytising the new doctrine. Whereas Hitler preached only to the Germans, Rockwell would convert all nations. Salvation for humanity could come only through Hitler, by accepting him as the race’s “saviour.” Eventually, Rockwell was murdered by a Judas. Matt Koehl became the first pope who stood upon the rock of “dynamic orthodoxy”; the first pope was empowered with the keys to salvation and the rites for excommunication from the one true party. Schismatics were a sort of Protestant who decried universalism and demanded some attention to American political realities -or denied the pope’s credentials. There were also, Anabaptists who urged “violence” in anticipation of the resurrection. (33)


  133. March 5, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    William Pierce: Why They Hate Buchanan

    Dr. William Pierce comments on the mass-media’s treatment of Pat Buchanan during the Republican presidential primaries of 1996.

  134. March 5, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink


    Don’t know how long ago he had his awakening and when he decided to risk breaking a little cover.

    Buchanan was always awake to some degree. His mother was completely of German extraction and his father was a strong supporter of Senator Joseph McCarthy and a skeptic about war-propaganda. Buchanan reflected this in the 1980s with his skepticism of Jewish testimonies against alleged war-criminals. Most people are naive about the fact that a whole group of Jews can all be lying, but Buchanan seems to have understood that pretty early.

    What really brought Buchanan into a collision with Zionist Jews was the end of the Cold War. At that point there was no longer any practical reason for the USA, for its own sake, to maintain a massive military presence in the Middle East or anywhere else.

  135. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink


    When a WN says that Jews are the antichrist it’s no better than when a black nationalist refers to whites as the devil. It’s dumb and silly-sounding, especially seeing as how Christ himself was a Jew who preached the same basic stuff that today’s leftist Jews preach.

    I would never have been attracted to the pro-White movement if all its arguments were religious ones. I would never have bothered reading Prof. MacDonald’s articles if he was attacking Jews as a Christian instead of as an evolutionary psychologist. We need intelligent, well-formulated arguments, not ones dating back to the middle ages.

  136. Sanjay's Gravatar Sanjay
    March 5, 2012 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Anti-White activists have all the power because Jews control federal reserve and financial system, so advertisers can pull their support and punish conservatives.

    Ron Paul’s gold standard will benefit whites greatly. It will remove most of the power from the Jews and make American society healthier.

    Whites will be able to survive and not suffer from economic penalties with gold standard.

    Support Ron Paul even if you dont support libertarianism.

    Paul is right on Foreign Policy, Monetary Policy, Abortion and Big Federal Govt. That alone should be enough to help Whites in a big way.

  137. March 5, 2012 - 6:08 pm | Permalink

    @Fredrick Toben: I saw you speak in Toronto in the mid 90s. I remember how you imitated the speech of somebody who said “DEEtroit City.” I am sure that I still have it on cassette tape somwhere.

    Buchanan revealing his former employer’s moral and intellectual limitations.

    That’s what a lot of people think, and it’s the most obvious interpretation, but I have a fact that I present in the second part that suggests that it may not be an accurate interpretation.

  138. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 5, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Buchanon’s success is his intellect. He was just too interesting on MSNBC to ignore in my opinion, plus he had mainstream credentials. Don’t know how long ago he had his awakening and when he decided to risk breaking a little cover.

    Just a reminder to donate money to the cause regularly. We need to get to the level of hundreds of millions of dollars to turn this thing around. It’s doable.

  139. March 5, 2012 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro:
    Michael, you are still perceptive, which is a surprise because you have been so thoroughly New Yorkerfied for a lifetime. You maintain an objective perspective on things and are thereby automatically standing outside of the box full of Talmudic goodies.
    The dialectic divide that’s driving current world politics is only partially based on Talmudic thought structures, and can thus be defeated by a nationalistic dialectic where international banking – predatory capitalism – is banished.
    That such a dialectic may re-emerge from the current carnage experienced within the financial world. An example from Australia: banks are dismissing their personnel who before they are dismissed are required to train replacement staff from the Phillipines or India.
    Hadding Scott alludes to such phenomena having had a role in Buchanan’s demise. I hasten to add that in this Internet age it ought not be regarded as a demise but rather a celebration of Buchanan revealing his former employer’s moral and intellectual limitations.
    This is why the Occidental Observer stands tall – factually pressing home the truth of what otherwise is hidden deliberate obfuscations.
    We live in interesting times and ought to be thankful that we can do so, as in my case, for possibly another two decades – and that time will quickly pass.

  140. March 5, 2012 - 5:49 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: Claims based on religious doctrine are not the way to persuade educated people of today; on the contrary, it’s the way to repel them.

  141. March 5, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink


    Fender, in response to Brandon’s comment, you wrote:

    These kinds of silly comments make WN’s look like Christian fundamentalists.

    A lot of pro-White people are Christian fundamentalists. Although I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “fundamentalist”.

    I don’t consider myself a fundamentalist, and I doubt I’m the best person to defend them. I’m not sure what to believe about the Bible or different denominations.

    I know some good, healthy, intelligent people and families that might consider themselves (or be labeled by others as) Christian fundamentalists.

  142. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 5, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose: Mr. Hoffman’s analysis of the Presidency of Ronald Reagan, is spot on, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, my humble opinion. I have argued for years with some of these Reagan idolators, that the man was as toxic to the average American as a politician could get, and for most of the reasons Mr. Hoffman says. Let’s build another aircraft carrier, airport, freeway, etc. to “honor” him.

  143. March 5, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink


    ” I can’t find any indication that Phil Griffin is a Jew.”

    If he were to be replaced by a Jew would there be any difference?

    Probably some. Griffin was the producer of Hardball during the period when Chris Matthews was agitating against going to war in Iraq.

  144. March 5, 2012 - 5:04 pm | Permalink


    Hi Brandon

    A few days ago I found your blog via a link on another site. I enjoyed some of the stuff you wrote about; interesting insights that I found useful.

    Thanks for making your blog. I like you. I think you wrote that you’re 70 years old, which makes me like you even more. I like older people. (I’m not half your age, but I really like the older crowd — a lot of good, wise people.)

  145. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    ” I can’t find any indication that Phil Griffin is a Jew.”

    If he were to be replaced by a Jew would there be any difference?


    “The jew is the anti-Christ. ”

    These kinds of silly comments make WN’s look like Christian fundamentalists.

  146. March 5, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    The jew is the anti-Christ.

  147. March 5, 2012 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I don’t know if Glenn Beck still has his radio program in the mornings. I use to listen to it in the car.

    Beck still has his radio show. There was some report from Media Matters last year that Beck had lost some affiliates but he allegedly gained even more than he lost.

  148. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Thanks for the link to the JFSJ’s site. I suppose I needn’t ask whether, in the end, Roger Ailes made his obeisance to the rabbis for his dismissive remarks about how the Holocaust was used on the air?

    In the preface to the open letter in the Wall Street Journal and the Forward newspapers, I noticed a veiled threat to Rupert Murdoch:

    “After years in the news business, we hope Mr. Murdoch’s will not let his legacy be his complacency to Glenn Beck and Roger Ailes.”

    I don’t know if Glenn Beck still has his radio program in the mornings. I use to listen to it in the car. I don’t know where Beck got his George Soros story about when he was 14 years old, but if its legitimate at least that would be something.

    It’s really quite mystifying how these Jews could be so completely brainwashing the world like this. In the open letter itself, there’s even a Holocaust Studies at Emory University.

    May the Universe forbide they should ever get their ‘Jewish Utopia’

  149. Hans's Gravatar Hans
    March 5, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    This is off topic, but I wanted to post it so that KMac and everyone else has a chance to see it in case it was missed in all the other news.

    [Black] Teenagers Poured Gasoline on [White] Boy Walking Home from School and Set Him on Fire


  150. March 5, 2012 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Certainly Jews dominate major mass-media but I can’t find any indication that Phil Griffin is a Jew. I heard RamZpaul imply it (at least I thought he was implying it), but I don’t find it.

  151. Hans's Gravatar Hans
    March 5, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Without part II, it’s premature to criticize, but still, I don’t follow where this could possibly be going anyway. Pat was fired in 2012 for offending Zionists? He’s been doing that for a long time, as noted here in part I.

    I had thought that Glenn Beck’s ratings had plummeted and that was the ultimate reason for his dismissal with the loss of advertisers being secondary. Still, he had a relatively recent giant shindig in Jerusalem, so Beck couldn’t have offended the Zionists too much.

    Anyway, despite some questions, Hadding, this is a great topic and very valuable to kick ideas back and forth about the real reasons that certain events occur.

  152. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    It’s always a Jew in an office somewhere calling the shots. Orders always come from the top, and blacks certainly are not at the top. Anyone who thinks that irrelevant groups like the Color of Crap have any say in what goes on in our national discourse are only deluding themelves. Blacks complained, a tribe member fired Pat, and the dumb blacks cheered about “their” victory.

  153. White Jazz Musician's Gravatar White Jazz Musician
    March 5, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Norman Podoretz once published an essay, “My Negro Problem.” He can continue in this vein with, “My White Boy Problem,” or “My Unrepentant Anti-Zionist Problem,” etc. My do they have us by the short hairs…ouch!!!

  154. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 5, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    His penance is for introducing the neo-cons to the republican insiders. Seems we reap what we sow.

  155. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 5, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Good piece, thanks Hadding. I do not spend much time paying attention to the media conservatives such as Limbaugh, O Reilly and Hannity, but they have always struck me as personifying jewish stereotypes of whites, rough around the edges, not too bright with a hint of the bully about them.
    Buchanan, by contrast, is eloquent, well mannered, well read and urbane. He is courteous even to those with whom he disagrees. I admire him, but remind you that he has been doing penance

  156. March 5, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Apparently, Pat didn’t get the memo that “The first rule of White geNOcide is you do not talk about White geNOcide. The second rule of White geNOcide is (Yep, you guessed it) YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT White geNOcide!”

    One must expect to encounter harsh and typically violent opposition when divulging the truth about white genocide in every white country and only in white countries. One need but to hint at this international crime – as Buchanan has done in his “Suicide” book – and that is enough to warrant a blackball listing by the media. These Liberal pundits and their Conservative Respectable counterparts fancy themselves Shamanic Anti-racists Brought to Save The World. Yet, only White children are left grappling with what to do about massive immigration, assimilation & intermarriage of/with the third world. Why are we the only recipients of these “anti-racists” Morality and Diversity? Is it because what they really are is anti-white?

    Could it be that we, as European Americans, really have been targeted for a overt program of genocide because we ‘Had It Coming?’ Every day these hateful, warmongering, genocidal lunatics prove that most, if not all, of their Humanitarian Programs are anti-white. And I can’t help but notice that anti-racist really is just a code word for anti-white.

    Daniel Genseric
    European American

  157. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    March 5, 2012 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    There are people like Rush Limbaugh who pretend to represent some kind of extreme or hardcore tendency, and discourage people from looking at any ideas more radical than what they are selling. Those people are not helping us.

    Buchanan doesn’t do that. He does not distance himself from controversy or treat people representing views more extreme than his own unfairly.

    I agree firmly agree with you on this and with Kevin MacDonald that “We should all he outraged that Pat Buchanan has been fired by MSNBC”. (Pat Buchanan Fired from MSNBC

    I also agree though with Kevin MacDonald’s statement in the same piece that “The really surprising thing is that Buchanan wasn’t fired a long time ago given that he has been on the wrong side of the ADL for over 2o years.”

    Like Vdare I think Victor Davis Hansen’s opinion regarding this last point makes a certain amount of sense.

    During the Iraq War, Buchanan was a valuable paleo/libertarian critic of the war who helped MSNBC cement the image of an adrift Bush, and was roundly criticized by both left and right. In those days, Buchanan’s anti-Bush rhetoric on the war, and to a lesser extent on his excessive spending, was inseparable from his leftist co-guests, and allowed MSNBC to claim to be “fair and balanced.”…

    Now that there is no Bush to criticize, and given that Obama did not turn out to be a left-wing version of a Ron Paul isolationist, anything Buchanan might say about foreign policy will be critical of Obama — and he will probably say it well and often, given that he is better read, sincere in his convictions, and more informed than the other guests. The Obama agenda at home is the antithesis of everything Buchanan has ever said or written. In the network’s view, the days of Buchanan as a useful idiot are over; and now, in a changed climate, he offers no utility at all. [Buchanan Was No Longer Useful? – By Victor Davis Hanson February 21, 2012]
    Righteous Right” Won’t Defend Buchanan From Media Matters—But They’re Next On The List! (Vdare)

  158. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 5, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Buchanan living these days? Still in the northern Virginia-Washington, DC area? Or has he moved?

    Paddy O’ didn’t organize any opposition to the AIPAC conference that is taking place in DC now did he? He could have invited a few thousand of his closest friends to come visit him.

    Here’s a good joke. What do you call an Irishman who sits outside all day? Paddy O’Furniture. LOL.

    On a more serious note, here’s Ted Pike on GBC ~ Good Christian Bitches: Good Christian Bitches #GCB : A Jewish ‘Hate Crime’ Against Christians?”===> http://fb.me/1dDeJxwXh

  159. Bear's Gravatar Bear
    March 5, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Rupert Murdoch is 1/4 Jewish from his paternal grandmothers side Elisabeth Joy (nee Greene) , his father Keith Murdoch was, it is rumoured, raised as a Jew but went to trouble to hide this. His daughter Elisabeth married to a very Black Ghanian with part Dutch ancestry Elkin Kwesi Pianim. Google immage comes up with a nice Wedding photo, they met while working at Rothchilds. Once you go Black you do apparently go back, she is now married to a Mathew Freud the grandson of the hideous Sigmund. Rupert is now married to a Chinese woman who is very fond of christian louboutin heels (those things with the red soles). This family are are no friends of White people.

  160. March 5, 2012 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro: I can’t agree with Michael Hoffman that Buchanan is “part of the problem.” The key question for me is, which direction a given figure is leading people, toward or away from the truth.

    There are people like Rush Limbaugh who pretend to represent some kind of extreme or hardcore tendency, and discourage people from looking at any ideas more radical than what they are selling. Those people are not helping us.

    Buchanan doesn’t do that. He does not distance himself from controversy or treat people representing views more extreme than his own unfairly. I remember when he was co-hosting Crossfire he was very fair to a skinhead guest named Michael Palasch (although Palasch didn’t really make the best use of it). Anybody that takes an interest in Buchanan’s positions is very likely going to end up going beyond Buchanan. That’s what I found on the forum at Buchanan.org a couple of years ago (before the WJC began attacking Buchanan about the forum and Linda Muller began tightly controlling the content).

  161. March 5, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose: My friend who proofread it for me also missed it. There’s a chronological problem that’s very obvious once you see it. I had Jewish Funds for Social Justice criticizing Beck in Summer 2010 for statements that he made about George Soros in November 2010. The date of that open letter to Rupert Murdoch is actually 27 January 2011. You can read it on JFSJ’s site. It was in reaction to this that Beck compared Reform Judaism to Radical Islam.

  162. March 5, 2012 - 12:55 pm | Permalink

    @Michael Santomauro:

    Hi Michael

    You write some of the best comments under T.O.O. articles.

    Big thanks.

    Also, thanks to Hadding Scott for writing this article. After reading it, I really admire Pat Buchanan.

    I have not read any of his books, but I do remember seeing him on MSNBC back when I used to watch it. I had a liberal phase when I patted myself on the back for looking down on “racism” and “homophobia”, and I felt proud that I doubted there were many (if any) important differences between men and women.

  163. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I didn’t notice any shortcomings. I thought the article to be highly professional writing and worthy of TOO. I look forward to Part II.

  164. March 5, 2012 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    I expected that this was going to get kicked back to me so that I could fix it up a bit, since that’s what happened last time, but I guess it’s not TOO bad as it is.

    I just finished it yesterday and hadn’t really had time to notice shortcomings.

  165. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for taking the time to write this high-caliber, well written article.

    Michael Hoffman also had something to say about Buchanan’s firing, that I received via email. The article is not at Hoffman’s site, but I found it at another website. It’s a little too long to post in its entirety, so I just include the first two paragraphs:

    Pat Buchanan has been fired MSNBC


    ‘Michael Hoffman’s note: Patrick J. Buchanan is part of the problem, yet he eloquently rails against the problem in his recent books. This is schizophrenic. After 9/11 and after the invasion of Iraq, he supported the re-election of George W. Bush with a ludicrous analogy of Democrats and Republicans as the Hatfields and the McCoys, suggesting that in a tribal blood feud Conservatives need to come home — to re-elect Bushwhacker George, the neocon Skull and Bonesman. He begged Bush to take him back and called himself the “black sheep.” Disgusting.

    ‘He has valorized Ronald Reagan as one of our greatest presidents, when it was Reagan who made amnesty for illegal aliens a Conservative virtue. It was Reagan who established the groundwork for the synagogue disguised as a US Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., transforming rabbinic Shoah theology into America’s de facto state religion. It was Reagan who bestowed a national holiday on Martin Luther King. It was Reagan who allowed the elderly Christian anti-Communist Andrija Artukovic to be shipped on a gurney back to the ghoulish arms of Tito’s Communist Yugoslavia. Yitzhak Shamir termed Ronnie “the greatest friend in the White House Israel ever had.” Reagan had Joan Quigley, a San Francisco astrologer, scheduling the timing of his speeches and treaty signings and setting his agenda. ‘

    Read more of Hoffman’s analysis at the link above.

  166. March 5, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    Actually, it is safe to say that virtually every mainstream publication or or other type of media organ is “nothing more than a screen to present chosen views.” The great battle over the last century has been a battle for the mind of the Western peoples, i.e., non-Jewish Euros.

    The chosen won it by acquiring control over essentially the complete mainstream news, information, education and entertainment media of every type, and using that control to infuse and disseminate their message, agenda and worldview, their way of thinking, or rather the way they want us to think.

    Since at least the 1960s this campaign has been effectively complete. Since then they have shaped and controlled the minds of all but a seeming few of us in varying degree with almost no opposition or competition from any alternative worldview.

    So now most of us are mentally trapped in the box the chosen have made for us, which we have lived in all our lives. Only a few have managed to avoid it or escape it, or to even sometimes see outside of it, and so actually “think outside of the (Jewish) box.”

    Michael Santomauro

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