It’s important to have public displays that reaffirm White identity and pride. In my area, the Crescenta Valley European American Society is putting on a European American Heritage Festival that celebrates the cultural roots of the European majority. The festival will be held on Saturday, March 31. We are all familiar with public displays of racial/ethnic pride from non-Whites, but I can’t think of any public celebrations of the common European heritage of the 200 million European-descended Americans.
The festival is being staged by the Crescenta Valley European American Society whose website is a good place for news on issues related to Whites. Recent posts highlight the $600 million the city of Los Angeles spends on illegal aliens, the European origins of the first Americans, the lawsuit against affirmative action at the University of Texas, and the February 27 protests against White genocide in South Africa.
Incidentally, I participated in the Los Angeles protest on South Africa—a very worthwhile experience. Public displays of White identity are very important. It is critical to make White identity part of the furniture of life so that people get used to it. As it is now, assertions of White identity in the public square are aberrant and easily marginalized. They are often sabotaged, as has happened with conferences for Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance. In large measure, it’s a matter of numbers. That’s why supporting events like the Crescenta Valley European American Heritage Festival is so important.
More information on the festival can be found in this radio interview of CVEAS founder Drake Szekler by Voice of Reason’s Robert Stark.
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Pioneer days celebrations are always fun too, and you can get private & public support for them.
It’s depressing that it’s come to us having to identify as a specific type of “American.” It all comes down to language; before the mid-20th century there were no “African-Americans;” there were Americans and then there were “Negroes.” Negroes were not considered Americans because they were not White. To be American was to be White, just the same as to be Chinese means to be racially Asian.
We can never let the tribe and their dupes define anything. If we do, they’ve already won. When they started throwing the term “African-American” around, we should have responded that that no such person can exist, because Americans are racially White. You can’t be an African-American anymore than someone can be an African-Japanese. Japanese is Japanese, African is African.
The leftists are doing the same thing in Britain and Germany, with terms like “African-English” and “Turkish-German.” These are nonsense terms. Not everyone can be a German; if anyone can be a German then no one can really be a German. The term becomes meaningless, and that’s what the leftists do: destroy language and intellect by rendering them both meaningless and ungrounded. Of course that means they render their own rationalizations meaningless as well, but no one ever takes them up on it.
I agree that the term ‘European-American’ is a concession. But using it doesn’t imply that they have already won. Think of it as a term that may bring more people to our cause.
This sounds great — a positive, healthy pro-White image / message / event.
Unfortunately the anti-White media tries to frame pro-White gatherings as something evil, using images of “skinheads” and seemingly violent, scary-looking people. (I admit that I don’t know any “skinheads” and wouldn’t be surprised if some of them are kind, intelligent people. But I don’t think they are the image we want to project.)
This event sounds like something the average White person can feel comfortable supporting, which is very important. We need these kinds of events in all cities across America (and other countries too.)
Recent posts highlight the $600 the city of Los Angeles spends on illegal aliens
I think that is supposed to be $600 million.
Thanks to Dr. MacDonald for highlighting this event, and for going to the South Africa protest.
Thanks to all White people who help Whites/Europeans.
Have a good day and a peaceful, healthy spring break.
You’re right. $600 million.
This is a wonderful event! I am so happy that the good Professor is taking advantage of the opportunities to stand with our people.
The awakening is coming, more and more Whites, dare one use the term “Aryans” are coming over to our side, perhaps dragging their feet but I see it, each and every day. What, short of full-on Bolshevik death squads which the Enemy is so at home with, can prevent the Phoenix rise of the Aryan in their homelands?
WELFARE COSTS FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS EXCEEDS $646 MILLION
LA County Supervisor Mike Antonovich, 2/16/12
WELFARE COSTS FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS EXCEEDS $646 MILLION
LOS ANGELES COUNTY – Year-end closing 2011 figures from the Department of Public Social Services reported that over $646 million in welfare and food stamp benefits were issued to illegal alien parents for their native-born children, announced Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.
The $646.2 million consisted of $258 million in CalWORKs (welfare) and $388 million in Food Stamps) — a $21 million increase over the previous year.
“With the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” said Antonovich. “These costs do not include the hundreds of millions of dollars for education.”
@fender:
I hear you and I do agree however what this festival, what the marches of others accomplish, is a building of feelings of SOLIDARITY, of BROTHERHOOD, and that is IMPORTANT.
When this war is over then we can quibble on semantics, right now, we have to become FAMILY!
@fender: I agree with Professor MacDonald. Although “European American” is a concession, the use of “White” would be instantly stigmatizing, as that collective term is only used in a negative context in the media (e.g. “Ice players overwhelmingly white.”). “White Heritage Festival” would serve as a summons to all sorts of self-styled “antifa” rabble to disrupt the event, but “European American” seems broad enough to offer a veneer of respectability to attract the non-racially conscious Whites, who will instictively (if only subconsciously) feel a sense of belonging by attending the event. I wish it the best successes!
This article is interesting since it brings up something involving European-Americans, in an area of the state of California, Southern California, that has practically been taken over by Mexico. It reminds me of a wonderfull program that was broadcast from Pasadena City College. The host, a man named Tibor Paul, was an ethnic German from Hungary. The name of his program was the EUROPEAN SUNDAY CONCERT. He began broadcasting in around 1971 and the radio show ended in around 2000.
Mr. Paul basically played songs from the Germanic nations, but also from Italy, Spain, France, the Nordic countries and even some from Ireland and England and Russia,etc. His personality was definetly Old World. The incredible thing about the EUROPEAN SUNDAY CONCERT, was its wide appeal. He got donations from every conceivable type of listener. Mr. Pauls favorite music was that of the Strauss Era, the golden age of Vienna.
Sometimes, as he sat in the studio at Pasadena City College, ready to put on another song, or just before going to a commercial, he would mention the doves he would see through his window on the grass outside the building and that he just fed them some of his lunch and what a beautiful day it was outside. The man exuded those Old World mannerisms, that made you feel like you were back in 1895 Vienna, perhaps sitting outside some sidewalk cafe.
Dr. MacDonald would have been thrilled to know, that there was a strong advertiser of European culture operating at that time, for Mr. Paul made it known, that Europe is a special place. He used to introduce some of the music from the Austro-Hungarian period, a favorite of his, by saying that he was now going to play a song from the long departed Kaiserreich.
At one time his listeners numbered over 100,000 people, an amazing number, considering most of the music was foreign and not in the English language. Even the places that advertisers of the show had names like, Bruckmeirers Bavarian Inn, The Phoenix Club, Fred Reichs European Sausage Company, The Swiss American club, and on and on.
When the show came to an end in the year 2000, after forty years of broadcasting, so many people were depressed. Some of the funding was done by the National Endowment of the Arts, and when they pulled it, it became hard to keep the show going, although a much less popular show, about traveling survived on the same radio station. There was a rumor that some of the money donated to his show, the EUROPEAN SUNDAY CONCERT, was diverted by one of the station managers to fund the less popular shows, and that he might have been anti-European, a fact Mr. Paul slightly hinted at during one of his shows.
Now, just as Mr. Paul referred to the Austro-Hungarian Empire as the long departed Kaiserreich, so has been the fate of Southern California, which, true, is not a long ago departed place, but it is gone nevertheless. If there is a moral to Dr. MacDonalds message in this article, I’d say it’s the same message in what happened with the European Sunday Concert, it wasn’t listened to any longer by those very people that should have supported it, FANATICALLY. P.S. It’s interesting that a gad zillion Spanish speaking stations have no problem at all, remaining on dozens of radio stations in Sourthern California. But then, they get support, a lesson and a warning for others, who might not like the idea of losing any remnant of their respective cultures in the U.S. ,etc. I wonder how well polka music is doing in Ohio, Wisconsin, and other traditional polka music places?
@fender: fender, I don’t believe using the terms like African-English, does anything at all, but actually distinguishes Englishman/woman, from those that really are not. Do you really believe that your average white Englishman, believes a Pakastani, African, Indian, or any other non-caucasian looking person is an Englishman/woman in their mind?
Congratulations to whoever did this website. Great job! I would also encourage others to come up with Euro–American websites and they don’t even have to have any political articles whatsoever. Just having a website that celebrates the culture and history of Europeans, Euro Americans, white people, or a particular ethnicity within whites (Irish, Polish, English, Scottish, German, etc.) is useful. Anything that lets our people get together among themselves and talk is valuable.
By the way, there was a recent study that showed when White people listen to rock music (as opposed to rap), it promoted in-group feelings among Whites. This is good news. It means there really is a of a lot of implicit whiteness out there. Groups like those represented by this website can tap into the same underlying instincts.
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/2012/03/does_rock_music_make_people_ra.php
@Bobby:
I enjoyed your comment.
What we are going through is… so painful at times. There is so much suffering in the world. And I wonder if American culture, due to multiculturalism and anti-White attitudes/policies and other things, has more psychological suffering than other cultures/countries. Sometimes I wonder if villagers in poor countries are generally happier than we are — they have real communities and roots and common values, which are essential to basic mental health.
That’s not really related to your comment, but in a way it is. Sometimes it hits me, through my experience, of how much suffering there must be. Intense longings for something deeper and better — I think everyone feels it on some level, even if they don’t realize it. Something is seriously wrong with this culture.
You wrote:
It’s interesting that a gad zillion Spanish speaking stations have no problem at all, remaining on dozens of radio stations in Sourthern California.
I was on a road trip a while back, and I was scanning the radio stations — it seemed like at least half, literally half, maybe more than half, of the stations were Spanish.
Take care, Bobby.
Richard, I agree. There is so much suffering, alienation, and a general feeling of hopelessness, when people are alone and not part of something. As the old saying goes–, Whoever is happy alone, is either a beast or a God.
There are a lot of sharp commentators on this forum. People who have really observed and thought things out. It doesn’t neccessarily mean they are right on their pronouncements, but I’ll give them credit for “digging in”, since so many people only do things half way.
I’ve had friends of all kinds, a couple of black people, a few more hispanics, a Japanese chess playing buddy, etc. but most of my friends where white. I went to an almost exclusively white school, with a small number of hispanics, and that dates me pretty well, since it was in Southern California.
I’ve thought about this ethnic, racial, cultural stuff a lot. I would like to think that individually, I could probably get along with anyone in the world. But we don’t live individually in society. We have to interact with people. Then it goes further than that. We have become broken up into political power groups. Most people are going to go with their group, is what I’ve concluded, and muticulturalism will slowly corrode the soul of this country because of how the leftist power groups use it.
This is the reason so many bloggers here are justified in their cultural/racial view of things. I may not like the way things are headed, you may not like it, but it seems to be operating on automatic, with a kick in the pants from the leftist groups, should it show any signs of slowing down. Oh, yeah, this forum is discussing things that are very very real and threatening to boot.
@fender
European-American is indeed redundant, but it’s bullet-proof and impossible to complain about, unlike “White.” If anything, we should reclaim “Native American” because we are, of course, the Native Americans. The so-called “Savage Indian Tribes” are not “American” at all; we should use the politically correct term for them – “Turtle Islanders.”
@Rich Pearson:
Or : Siberian immigrants
@Pietro:
European American” seems broad enough to offer a veneer of respectability to attract the non-racially conscious Whites,
Totally agree!!! But have to add, non-conscious racially Whites is somewhat absurd. Look in the mirror, you know you are white. You know the saying: Different strokes for different folks. How can anyone miss him/her self.
A very good development, overall.
This is good news for our people . Either our enemies are force to drop the malignant bone of affirmative action and racial division and massive none-European immigration or ‘they’ will have to contend with being our in the cold Or starting a race war as ‘they’ did in the USSR .
This in no joke .Everywhere in the West , the pernicious left have burrowed into the Government bureaucracy (via Universities ) , into the Library systems and councils and now freely fund their hate agenda under the guise of ‘Justice’ and diversity . The problem is their endless calls for Justice by Gov funded Race Warriors become a mission in itself .Their is no forgiveness and resolution because that ends their Gov gravy train and their newly created ethnic identity . An Australian Example of the endless ride : http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2012/3/beware-the-global-citizen .This behaviour is of course an imitation of the most sacred victims of all .
These groups are a serious threat to civilisation , that is civil society . They promote hate and division under the phoney guise of diversity ,tolerance and fairness . Division being the modus operandi for without the division their is no position to exploit .
The ADL should be classified as a hate group and kicked out of Australia , and without even knowing I can tell you for sure the Ahab Fauxman would be in contact with Aboriginal radicals and stirring up HATE , served as compassion against the ‘Evil European” . The World knows what you are upto Foxman .Go home and drop dead you evil rodent .
Anyway Kevin , thanks for this . Australia has nowhere near the problems of our American brothers (only thanks to China & Mining boom : When the money gets tight , theres stress and fight ) but as the above link show the agitators are real and very active (on the whitens back) and will never be satisfied or placated .Our society is divided enough now (thanks to multiculturalism ) for the endless game of music chairs of victimhood . Why don’t our convict ancestors step forward and claim victimhood and restitution ? Why ? Because just as in American , this won’t serve the interests of the most sacred victims game of division , threats & extortion . And why I comment often on this blog , what happens in the US is coming soon to a screen near us .
The only effective way to root out this pernicious cancerous philosophy is to do what you chaps are doing in America and let these crypto hate mongers know that enough is enough : We can also play race politics .
What a great article!! I can’t wait to go! Definitely going to bring my boyfriend and friends. I love my tribe so much. It seems like I’ve spent a good portion of my 26 years on this planet feeling guilty about being white. Yet, I could never really believe that I was supposed to feel bad when my people created a society where the whole world wants to be!! I LOVE MY PEOPLE and nearly teered up when reading this. ITS ABOUT TIME!!!! Our families have been torn assunder, our pride plundered. NEVER AGAIN Unity=strength…If we ever REMEMBER the tour de force which brought the original 13 colonies together, I truly believe European American cultural autonomy will come to fruition. I love you guys, thanks:)
Ahem ….. CRESCENTA? Doesn’t sound very White! Addled brains wouldn’t notice that, would they?
@Ellin:
CRESCENTA is the participium praesens neutrum plurale of the Latin verb crescere , to grow, to increase, meaning such a thing as “growing or increasing things”.
BTW the English verb “to increase” is ultimately also derived from Latin (in)-crescere via Old French encreistre.
So unless you think Latin, French and English are typical “non-White” languages…
@Franklin Ryckaert: Precisely. By implication, therefore, you appear to be co-opting ‘Latins’ into your ideological lunacy. Did you at least ask them first? Not that Adolf asked us first before saying that the Parthenon was the greatest achievement of the German race.
Oh no, I’m now going to get the old ‘Ancient Greeks were Aryans. You have nothing to do with the Ancient Greeks’ missive. Please spare me! I promise not to call Adolf a little Austrian prick. Is that enough? Oh ok, I promise never to mention the 30 standing ovations again. There, how’s that?
@Ellin: Ellin, in this case it is your brain that is “addled”. Let me explain why to you and try and clear up your confused state. But first, it’s possible you are writing out of ignorance of the area, that is, California.
Just because a name in California of a city, or an organization or any other entity is Latin, it does not mean Latin’s or Mexicans, or the Spanish, etc. had anything AT ALL to do with it. For example, there are many cities in California, that were developed by EUROPEAN-AMERICAN developers. Take the city of La Mirada for instance. It was developed by two European-Americans, Andrew McNally and Edwin Neff. It was formerly a ranch and had a nice view, so THEY, called it LA MIRADA, (Spanish, The View). Neither Mexico, Spain, or any other Latin entity had a thing to do with naming it or had any organic connection to it. This is true of cities both old and new throughout California. Many American developers gave these cities Spanish names because it sounded classy unique, etc.
Now let’s take your example, La Crescenta. If you would look it up, you’ll find that Dr. Benjamin Briggs, coined the name and it’s origin is neither Italian, or Spanish, since the Spanish word for crescent is “creciente”. Now the Italian word for crescent is, “crescenta”, but has no organic connection to anyone or anything Italian. La Crescenta, was coined by Dr. Briggs when he looked at the nearest mountains, he saw a series of three crescents.
The point is the whole area, like most of California, was developed by Eurpean-Americans, water systems, sewage, electricity, buldings houses, etc.etc. Hope that clears things up for you.
@Bobby:
” Do you really believe that your average white Englishman, believes a Pakastani, African, Indian, or any other non-caucasian looking person is an Englishman/woman in their mind?”
Yes, because most White Americans see African-Americans, Jewish Americans, Latino-Americans, and Asian-Americans as just as American as they are. I suspect it’s no different in England or Western Europe, where the brainwashing is just as potent.
@Bobby: Muchas Gracias, Senor. And your obsession with nachos, tortillas and other Mexican fare? Did Whitey invent those too by any chance.
@Ellin: I don’t think they did. Thank you. However, I don’t get the bit about my obsession with the foods you mentioned. I’m the kind of guy that is an anti-gourmet. Food in general, isn’t an obsession of mine.
@Ellin: P.S. Ellin, I’m starting to suspect you are really hispanic from the last comment. It’s strange.
@Bobby: I’ve never met an American who wasn’t mad about Mexican food. My point is this. That doesn’t sit well with berating them day and night, does it?
@Ellin: Where exactly have I been “berating”, Mexican people? I’m just an observer of the reality I see unfolding. Of course I’ve eaten Mexican food. I was somewhat of a late comer to it, since the smell of the corn tortilla’s in the school cafeteria when I was a kid, used to make me ill and I would pass on it and go out and play basketball. But I like it now, though if it vanished, I wouldn’t be devastated. I wouldn’t be devastated if any particular food vanished, because as I said I’m just not a fanatic of any particular food. But you never answered my question about whether you are really Greek or perhaps Mexican/hispanic,etc.
@Bobby: You guys really break me up! You ignore the message (or give it perfunctory attention) but the ethnicity of the messenger is of paramount importance to you. You keep sniffing around like truffle-dogs until you find what you think is the truth on that, and then, again like dogs, you yelp ‘Ah a Greek. No relation to the Ancient Greeks, of course’ or ‘Ah a German. Lot of Slav blood in them, but they don’t like to admit it’ etc etc.
To illustrate the irrelevance of race, let me just say this. If the Greek Parliament had given a foreign leader – who was in open conflict with the Greek Prime Minister – 30 standing ovations, I would hang my head in shame. Not so, you. More’s the pity.
@Ellin:
You should address the serious arguments put forward by MacDonald, Frank Salter and the work of published scientists in the field with regard to race and behavior and Jewish influence. You can always find plenty of random posters who say inconsistent things – after all, I am responding rather hastily here. If you go on Huffington Post and look at the posts, it is pretty sad for the most part. The proper way to judge socialism or Leftwing ideology is not by looking at the random posters on The Daily Kos.
@Jason Speaks: I do not read the Huffington Post (even though it is owned by a Greek lady, Arianna Stasinopoulou) and all I know about Kos is that it hosted the ancient medical school and hospital founded by Hippokrates, the Father of Medicine.
Regarding the sources that you refer to, it seems you misunderstand them. It is the cultural traits of the Jews – applied ruthlessly and with great determination – that have devoured you. Utterly and for all time. RIP.
@Ellin: Now who betrays themselves as racist? Stick around, this forum needs more pinatas to make it interesting.
@Bobby: No idea what a ‘pinata’ is. Care to explain?
How about just “American”?
Ellin, I suspect you do not spend you time on La Raza websites telling them that race doesn’t matter and how silly they are for pride in their race. I suspect you don’t do this on pro-black sites either. And I’m sure you dont’ ply your wares over on pro-Israeli sites. No, you only have a problem with white racial identity, right? You are simply anti-white.
@Wayne: Please understand this. I am not ‘against’ anybody. To the extent that you are all non-Greeks, I do not distinguish between you.
Ellin: Americans like tacos and burritos so we have to allow a foreign population to overrun us? Mexicans have a very large country that reflects thier civilization, the work of their ancestors. We in America have one that reflects our civilization, the work of our ancestors. THos from Mexico flee here because our ancestors created FOR US, a better civilization than theirs did FOR THEM. It’s that simple.
Ellin: Fine, you are Greek and everyone else is barbarian. Got that. Now allow us to distinguish ourselves from all others, same as you do, same as the Jew’s do. Allow us a home for our white descendants. Is that too much to ask? Multi-culturalsim is anti-white. Diversity is anti-white. When they say “tolerance”, they mean for everything but white history, heritage and pride. It’s that simple.
Ellin: You said you don’t distinguish among non-Greeks (Barbarians), right? Then head right on over to La Raza and post the same line of thought you do here. How about it?
Ellin: While you are at it over there at La Raza, go ahead and berate them for downing white Americans so much. Since they really seem to love patronizing McDonalds they should have no right!
@Wayne: Ok, let me help you out with your problem over there even though it’s not really any of my business.
Do you have any children? I do – two sons. When they were teenagers, I couldn’t believe some of the things they said to me: ‘I hate you’; ‘You make me sick’; ‘You always want me to do what you want’. And those are just the ones I can repeat in polite society! However, they are in their late twenties now and they are nothing like that. They have ‘come round’. They have told me several times how much they appreciate everything I have done for them. They even told me that they love me! And I believe them because I can feel it. So, where is all this leading?
I believe White Americans number around 200 million. That makes you ‘Dad’ – not just one of the ‘groups’ that inhabit the country. As a dad, you have to be strong and stop whining and crying when your ‘children’ act up. The day will come when they will settle down and be just like you. I understand your exasperation but it’s not easy being a parent. Think about it.
@Ellin:
When California was White, and I mean very White, the early settlers would use Spanish or Latin sounding names to make the places they settled sound exotic to the folks back east. It was an early real estate gimmick. They never thought there would be a Mexican invasion.
In northern California where my ancestors pioneered it is considered very White for California because they have a 67% White population—the same as in the LaCresenta Valley.
Only 67% White!
Ellin: OK then. Go over on La Razas websites and tell them whites are their fathers and they need to quit acting up! LOL! But you are only concerned with whites getting together and being proud of thier nations and race, right? You anti-white agenda is sooooooo obvious! LOL
But seriously, where you have Africa you will have Africa, where you have Mexicans you will have Mexico, where you have Chinese you will have China. Race builds civilizations. I want European civilization for my decendants.
Why is it that white countries and only white countries must be flooded with 3rd world non-white immigration, these immigrant children given preferences over native children, and the whites in those countries expected to be their “fathers” (you are right in one respect, we “fathers” pay for their welfare through our taxation)? Nobody is asking the Japanese or Chinese or Saudis or Nigerians to do this. Nobody is asking Israel to do this. No, Ellin, only white countries. Why?
@Wayne: The whole premise of your question is erroneous. China, for example, has a HUGE problem with minorities. The Saudis likewise. Japan has a HUGE Korean minority (the main Yakuza gangs are all Korean). Even Israel has ethnic conflict: Ashkenazi vs Sephardi; Russian Jews vs the rest; black Falasha Jews vs the rest. In fact, I would go so far as to say nearly every country in the world is having to deal with problems arising from ethnic minorities within their borders. What is your point exactly?
Tom, the name of the place is irrelevant same as Americans liking tacos and burritos. Ellin knows this. Don’t be distracted. She has a problem with whites AND ONLY WHITES coming together and being proud of their heritage and this great nation that they alone built. She is a classic anti-white. If we take heed to her poision, our children will be hated minorities and second class citizens in their own countries, it’s that simple. You can bet that she doesn’t share her opinions over on AIPAC, LaRaza or any of the hundreds of ethnic minority sites. Guaranteed. Only whites sites. Because she hates whites and wants to see us dissappear in our own countries. Don’t play tit-for-tat with her, call her out for what she is–anti-White.
Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, Israel for the Israelis, Mexico for the Mexicans, white countries for everyone! Right, Ellin?
Beware Ellin’s mother hen approach to white genocide. There’s nothing she and those like her would like more than a future without white children.
Kevin:
“I agree that the term ‘European-American’ is a concession.”
I think that the term “white” is a concession.
You could, for example, say that a Jew or a Turk is white (if they have white skin). But you can’t say that a Jew/Turk/Arab is European.
The term “white” is terribly imprecise.
Chechens have white skin, but they are not European.
‘White’ has a history in America, reflecting the Black/White difference. It is also useful as a general term for European-descended people, although, as you say, it its use if often over-inclusive. In the US, middle easterners and Jews are included in the White category, as in voting statistics.
@Ellin:
Does this mean you won’t be going to the festival? LOL I guess its ok since you enjoy the comforts of European culture and sophistication on a daily basis. No need to waste gas just to celebrate the obvious, right?
@Wayne:
To set Ellin’s relativistic comment about ethnic / racial minorities in other, non-Western countries straight :
1) China : ethnic minorities : 8,49 %, mostly living at the periphery of China. Mind you these are ethnic not racial minorities.
2) Saudi Arabia (and other Gulf States) : their “ethnic minorities” are foreign guest workers with little rights and no permanent residence status.
3) Japan : ethnic minorities : 1,22 %, biggest group : Koreans (0,5% of the population). Koreans are racially hardly distinguishable from Japanese.As for the Korean Yakuza problem, of the Yamaguchi-gumi, the greatest criminal organization of Japan 10% are of Korean descent, 70% Burakumin (Japan’s “parias”) ,the rest Japanese. The Yakuza have a strict code of conduct and are fiercely patriotic.
4) Israel : Jews : 76,4%, others (mostly Arabs) : 23,6 %). There are 120,000 Ethiopian Jews in Israel (1,75% of the population). The “conflict” between Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Russian Jews is mostly cultural not racial in character.
Conclusion : the ethnic / racial minority situation in these non-Western countries is not comparable with what is happening in the West, especially in the US. In those countries the situation is mangeable, in ours it is not.
BTW, “Ellin” is a man. The name may seem female, but it is the new Greek form of Hellèn, meaning “Greek”.
@Angel: I don’t enjoy ‘European’ anything. I’ve told you all before – leave the Greeks out of this. We are not a part of anything. Do not include us in any group. We are not with you and we are not against you. Do not tick any boxes on our behalf. Is that clear now?
Cool ! Now I won’t have to concern myself about Greece going bankrupt and its citizens having to accept massive economic changes to their detriment ! HA HA And I won’t concern myself over their 2 Million HUGE illegal Muslim immigrants, including their overbreeding, and having a time of it also getting on the public dole. Hopefully this summer we will see these Muslims rise up and tear the country apart — again! :)
I can enjoy the spectacle of a nation of homosexual boy-lovers going down the drain!
It’s a funny thing — I often wondered why certain right-wing elements are cheering for the downfall of Greece and watching with amusement every day as they riot in the streets and tear the country apart themselves. Now I see why certain right-wing types feel this way. Ellin’s mentality explains it all!
Kick Greece to the curb, the dog it is. To hell with them. Let them go down the drain.
Thank YOU, Ellin, for helping me see the Light! I won’t have to concern myself about Greece anymore! I can watch this with amusement now…
Greeks in Despair: Suicide rate record high
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD_phmSldow&feature=uploademail
When are you going to join the suicide rate, Ellin? You’re just a white-hating pompous ass after all. I have my fingers crossed you do it! :)
Too bad. I was hoping she had jumped :)
@blue rose: Mmmm ….. clearly your problem is clinical. Get some help blue rose. And don’t worry about us – we’ll be just fine. Ola kala kai ola oraia.
Yeah, right LOLLLL
I’ll just post every Russia Today video I get when Greek riots begin……AGAIN.
You must be pretty well off since you seem not to be concerned about the plight of the everyday average Greek. Probably you don’t live there yourself :)
@blue rose: I do live here Rose and I assure you EVERYONE is doing fine. Don’t judge anything from the media. The suicide figures are fake, the homeless are fake, and the riots are fake. It’s all done to impress Brussels so they go easy on us and give us even more money.
@Ellin:
You are SO FULL OF IT, a phoney-baloney, that it’s beyond belief. I wouldn’t believe a word out of your mouth from here on in.
@blue rose: Yiati koritsi mou;
Ellin = troll
Greece = economic and political basket case. A fine example of a state with no real industry except tourism just like Egypt and cannot sustain itself without a substantial influx of foreign investment.
The adjective “White” has been poisoned and now sounds too toxic to use.They are tireless at Language Poisoning and we simply lost the “White”.Now “European” retains respectable mental associations and keeping in mind our reservations we should use it for the present time.
By the way:coloristicly speaking our opponents are largely “white-looking”,from a distance. More precisely they have a certain shade of gefilte-fish off-white pallor, so much admired in NYC.
Ellin’s posts are kind of humorous because they affirm what Nietzsche said about the downfall of the Greeks: they became a “rational” people. That is, because of Socrates and Plato they became a people who thought about thinking, i.e. “reasoners.” The trouble is, almost anything can rationalized.
A good example of this is how he considers himself a “Greek” the same as Alexander (who was actually Macedonian) and Homer, despite the fact that that particular race of people has not existed for millenia now. There is still a place on Earth called Greece, but the people who inhabit it are basically a mongrelized people of mixed blood, like many Italians (no offense meant here, just historical fact).
It would be just as silly to consider the Arabs who inhabit the nation of Egypt as “Egyptians” in the Ramses/Imhotep sense. The race that built the pyramids and conquered much of Africa died out long ago; today’s Egyptians are Arabs who came into the land and took it over. They can call themselves Egyptians all they want, but they don’t speak Egyptian and they don’t worship Egyptian Gods. They speak Arabic and they worship Allah; they are Arab Muslims who live in the land that the Egyptians once inhabited.
The point is, all peoples are inherently tied to, and defined by, their biology. Greek civilization died when the Greek race was diluted by foreign blood. England, France, and much of Western Europe will experience the same fate when their populaces are overwhelmed by the blacks and Arabs they’ve bought into their lands.
If Ellin thinks civilization is somehow independent of race the same way Plato thought the “soul” was independent of the body, then that’s a pretty good indicator of why Greece failed. What matters is empiricism: fact-following, not rationalization (empiricism being an English construct). The facts say humans are defined biologically; therefore any art, civilization, law, etc. must be products of the genetic makeup of the people who conjured them up.
@fender:
I’m glad you expressed this. It’s what I was thinking: I don’t care how ‘warm and wonderful’ today’s Greeks are, how could the rabble of today’s inhabitants of Greece possibly or even remotely be descendants of the age of ancient classical Greece? It explains a lot what you say: They Are Not.
*gasp* But even the idealized idea of ancient classical Greece as we think of it today, had a homosexual foundation centered around ‘boy love’ which comes down to us today. So I don’t know how reasoned and wonderful ancient Greece was, now I think of it. I read the ancient Greek cult of ‘man-boy love’ and homosexuality was tolerated in Greece, though maybe not totally whole-heartedly. But it was tolerated. As beautiful as the ancient Greek civilization was as to architecture, perfection of the human body, reasoning and thinking,…sometimes I wonder about them.
These heritage festivals do a lot for our image and cause, much more so than invectives.
Brings to mind that old saying: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
@fender: Your musings bring to mind Aristotle’s observation: ‘The wise speak because they have something to say; fools speak because they must say something’.
Oh, by the way, don’t read too much Nietzsche – you’ll end up in a lunatic asylum as he did.
@blue rose: You are right to wonder Rose. We ARE rabble and ‘bi’ too – just as we have always been. 5000 years Rose! I know, I know, it sticks in your gullet. Drink some water.
@Ellin:
Oh ok. Thanks for coming clean and admitting you are bi-sexual. Which means you are homosexual. That’s all I needed to know. Thanks. Fits your mentality.
@blue rose: ‘Sticks and stones …..’ blue rose.
You have to do better than that. But maybe you can’t. Muslims in 300BC?!!!!! As we say in Greece: ‘Even the chickens are laughing’.
Some rubber hitting the road:
Some people who have moved beyond posting in forums!
@Franklin Ryckaert: The extent of your insanity is shown by the fact that you are even willing to praise the Yakuza to make your case!
Note to Dr MacDonald
Your work, as I have said before, is an academic tour de force. However, do you not accept – on the evidence of nearly every posting on this site – that your work gives ‘aid and comfort’ to the deranged, the feeble-minded, and the psychotics of the ‘White’ community? They had ‘issues’ long before they came across your work. Bolstered by that work, they now indulge their fantasies, write their screeds, and rave and rant on every topic under the sun, in the mistaken belief that they are ‘on to something’. I urge you – in the name of compassion – to close this site down and allow them to seek counselling of some kind.
@Ellin:
Har Har.
But let me ask you a serious question: At the time Alexander, where the Persians of the time of the Zoroasterian religion?
This is a serious question. I just want to know.
@blue rose: Their deity was known as Ahuru Mazda. As with all religions he encountered, Alexander showed great respect.
However, the story that he visited the High Priests in Jerusalem is fiction. They CLAIMED he did and claimed he promised them 1 year in 7 ‘tax-free’. But don’t worry, we made them pay their taxes in full EVERY year.
@Ellin:
Ah, so I was right. The Persians of the time were of the Zoroastrian religion. Thanks. I’m glad to know that.
As to Alexander visiting the Jewish high priests, I wouldn’t know about that. I’m glad he didn’t, if you say so. That ‘tax-free’ year (after 7 years) is suppose to be the Jewish thing, a ‘Jubilee’ year, where the Jews forgave each other of their debts.
@blue rose: Answer my question on the other thread.
@Ellin:
Don’t order be around. What question? If you are asking Am I Greek, define Greek, because I don’t know why you are asking the question.
@blue rose: I asked you why you are asking about my house.
@thm:
That’s a good video. Thanks! Loved how the black said he felt ‘frightened’ or something. HA!
@blue rose: I know you’re Greek because you’re smart, foul-mouthed, and quick-tempered. You also care about Greece. No need to confirm or deny.
@Ellin:
Oh your house. Just asking. Actually I’m like TOTALLY JEALOUS if you have an actual ancient temple to Zeus in your house!
One could create a nice ritual in such a temple like that, with candles, flowers, incense. It sounds so totally dreamy — all the ancient vibes of rituals to Zeus that would still be felt and soaked up. You said it was a temple to Zeus something, I forgot what. Would you tell me again so I can look it up?
@Ellin:
Oh wait….never mind. You said it was Zeus Eleftherios. Have to look that up.
@blue rose: Zeus Eleutherios (Zeus the Liberator). He has many emanations: Zeus Xenios (Zeus the Protector of Guests); Zeus Erkeios (Zeus the Guardian of Promises).
I was moved by what you said about flowers and candles.
Plato, Theages 121a (trans. Lamb) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) :
“[On the Athenian agora :] Then do you mind if we step aside here from the street into the portico of Zeus Eleutherios (the Liberator)?”
Pausanias, Description of Greece 1. 3. 2 :
“[Beside the Royal Portico in the Kerameikos of Athens :] Here stands Zeus, called Zeus Eleutherios (of Freedom).”
Pausanias, Description of Greece 10. 21. 5 – 6 :
“[The historical Athenian] Kydias . . . was killed by the Gauls, but his relatives dedicated his shield to Zeus Eleutherios (God of Freedom), and the inscription ran:–`Here hang I, yearning for the still youthful bloom of Kydias, the shield of a glorious man, an offering to Zeus. I was the very first through which at this battle he thrust his left arm, when the battle raged furiously against the Gaul.’
This inscription remained until Sulla and his army took away, among other Athenian treasures, the shields in the porch of Zeus Eleutherios.”
Suidas s.v. Eleutherios (trans. Suda On Line) (Byzantine Greek lexicon C10th A.D.) :
“Eleutherios (Of Freedom) : Zeus was called this for this reason, because freedmen (eleuthero) built the portico [in Athens] near him [near his temple]. So says Hyperides. But Didymos maintains that it is not because of this, but because of the fact that the Athenians escaped subjection to the power of Persia.”
My favorite goddess is Aphrodite, whose consort was Hephaestus, god of fire and iron working. Odd, because I once loved a horse-shoer. A love that could have been written in the stars, but she was a jealous goddess. Aphrodite rules my sign, actually the Roman goddess Venus, but both are the same.
Muse, tell me the things done by golden Aphrodite,
the one from Cyprus, who arouses sweet desire for gods
and who subdues the races of mortal humans,
and birds as well, who fly in the sky, as well as all beasts
—all those that grow on both dry land and the sea [pontos].
@blue rose: Yes, in the language of politics, Aphrodite exercises ‘soft power’. With that power, she can subdue anyone – or any living thing.
There are 200,000 of us who have returned to the old religion- and maybe another 100,000 ‘in the closet’. It’s growing fast and regularly in the news. By 2020, we should be up to around 50% of the population. I can’t describe to you the feeling of peace, joy and liberation we feel when we escape the clutches of any of those Semitic religions. Nothing but vindictive mountain demon-spirits.
Have you been to Greece? Have you been to Delphi? The spirituality of the place is overpowering.
@Ellin:
I think I can agree with you on that — on returning to the old religion, and liberating yourselves from the Semitic religion. I would not throw out Jesus Christ, however. He was a highly evolved spiritual being — an Ascended Master, a Bodhisattva, that manifests to humanity from time to time. That said, I could definitely have His statue placed somewhere in the temple to Zeus Eleutherios, along with a main status to Zeus, and devise a pleasant ritual with votive offerings and such — and soak up the ancient vibes that still surround the temple as you bring the temple back to life.
I can’t tell you how freaking JEALOUS I am that you have such an antiquity right there in your own home. I would also place a statue of Aphrodite. And Athena — I guess next to Aphrodite, Athena’s the best.
@Ellin:
No, unfortunately I’ve never been to Greece. But I have been to Italy on a two week tour from Milan on down to Pisa then back up again, stopping in Rome, Venice, Florence, Assisi, and so many of those ancient little towns. I was never so overwhelmed in my life, being surrounded by such grand and wonderous ANTIQUITY everywhere I looked, and simply HATED to have to come back to this stink hole of the USA.
@blue rose: Actually, it’s not an antiquity – I had it built myself.
As for Jesus, the Prophets, Muhammad etc it’s very difficult to incorporate them into the Pantheon. The reason is that they see the divine as something APART from the world. There is also arrogance in the Semitic faiths: ‘Only through me shall ye know the Father’. The old religion brings us back to the idea that the divine is IN the world, in everything.
For example, if a polluted river is cleaned up – and the fish return and you can drink from it – we say ‘the god’ has returned to the river. Everything has ‘its god’. This is very much in tune with modern environmentalism and that is one reason why many return to the old religion: ‘There is god in everything’.
Why won’t you tell me if you’ve been to Greece?
@blue rose: Our emails crossed.
I have always liked America and Americans. The ones I’ve met here in Greece have been the nicest people: friendly, informal, nice. Can you imagine what the Germans or the French would be like if their country had 26,000 nuclear warheads? I mean, Americans are not arrogant about being a superpower. Now the US government is another story but that’s all been taken over by Jews, or other types of ‘Israeli-firsters’. Pity.
Every American I see on TV seems to be Jewish. Israel seems to be more important to Americans than their own country. I don’t know. It just looks bad – the politics, I mean.
I’ve spent a lot of time on this site trying to understand what makes White America tick. I think I’ve got a better idea. About some of our exchanges before, no hard feelings. Right?
@Ellin:
Oh, well, that’s cool too, that you had such a temple built yourself. The reason why I thought you happened to have purchased a house with an actual antiquity is because I was reading that under some houses in Italy they discovered underground caves that were used in antiquity.
As to Jesus, I don’t want to start preaching. The only way to understand him is to separate him out from his Jewish roots. He never called His Father as ‘Yahweh’. As a highly evolved spiritual teacher, it’s believed in his ‘missing’ middle years he travelled to India and other eastern countries, including America and appeared to the Indians. Anyway I believe it.
My sense of Jesus’ mysticism is mostly Gnostic, I think. The early Church tried to destroy every vestige of the Gnostic beliefs and books. There’s a lot of His teachings that, as a result, are kept hidden from the masses in order to maintain control over the people. Never mind what Christians might tell you or say. They don’t know, and don’t want to know, the half of His teachings, but only what they are told in the pulpits.
I would never put the false prophet Mohammed anywhere in a temple to Zeus, on the other hand. Mo was a pedophile and a murderous lunatic who took everything from both the Old and New Testaments and tried to present it as a ‘new revelation’. To secure it, old Mo told his followers an angel Gabriel showed him a piece of rag with something written on it, a rag that of course is no longer in existence. Old Mo got it wrong — Gabriel is an archangel, not just an ‘angel’ anyway.
Jesus would have agreed with you that the Spirit is Everywhere, including in a river. Somewhere in the bible there’s a verse about even if He receives not the understanding and praise of men, the trees and the rocks shall praise Him.
Jesus would not mind, in the least, occupying a small portico or something, a side altar or such, in a temple dedicated to Zeus. If you ever do any rituals in your temple, just put in a good word for me to Zeus, Athena, and Aphrodite if you please. Ask them to surround me with their presence, that I might experience Zeus’ strength, Athena’s fierce warrior quality, and Aphrodite’s beauty.
@Ellin:
You aren’t even getting basic facts right. The Japanese do not have a HUGE Korean minority as you put. It’s tiny. Beyond that, you are simply throwing up random arguments for why Whites countries should embrace mass immigration. And you stated somewhere that the Japanese aren’t a real ethnic group, just a conglomeration of others. Yet, the Japanese have been a unique people for at least 2,500 years from what I can see, and perhaps for much longer. Of course, they have are related to other Asians (and humans), but this doesn’t change their status as an identifiable human population.
@Ellin:
You got it right about America and the Jews in the media and in the government. What can I say? It’s come as quite a surprise to me, too, once I began looking into it. Don’t ask me how these Jews managed such a Machiavellian takeover. But then it’s called ‘organized Jewry’, and I guess that explains it well enough.
No, no hard feelings. Hands across the water and all, what (as the English say). Here, let’s have a toast…two beers….and a little music…
♫ ♬ ♪ ♩ ♭ ♪ ๑۩ﺴ *clink* ﺴ۩๑ ♫ ♬ ♪ ♩ ♭ ♪
@Jason Speaks: I’ve been to Japan 6 times, have many friends there, and have read and discussed these issues with them many times. If you have a vision of the Japanese as a single, homogeneous unit, you are mistaken. That is an image projected out by some of them but the reality ‘on the ground’ is different.
In fact, it’s ALWAYS different. People like you use facts to support an idea or prejudice that already exists in your head. You don’t feel the need to gather ALL the data before drawing wild conclusions. For example, have you ever been to Israel? What do you think Israel is like? I bet it’s a million miles removed from what you think it is. Take the trouble. Do the work. Wikipedia won’t tell you everything.
@blue rose: Take care of yourself, blue rose.
I’ll drop in occasionally just to say hello.
@Ellin:
Where are you going? You can comment with the others. I don’t have to butt in all the time. Just when I’m getting to know you, you suddenly have to leave? Sheesh.
@blue rose:
The socalled “gods” of all religions are only group-projections and therefore illusory. This includes also the “One True God” of the monotheist religions. To worship the projections of your own mind is the sign of a rather immature stage of mental development. Sadly, the majority of humanity is still at this stage.
Socalled “neo-paganists” who return to the worship of the gods of the dead pre-monotheistic religion of their ancestors are double fools. They do not even really believe in their own illusions. It is all posturing, out of cultural nostalgia at best, but never sincere. Sorry, but “Zeus is dead”.
@blue rose: The truth is, the site is getting to me. But i feel good when I talk to you. What are we going to do?
@Franklin Ryckaert:
hoity toity, Franklin. I love your posts, truly I do, but There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Mr Scientist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGjk0mHOER8
@Ellin:
That makes me feel good — that you say I make you feel good. Ah, anyway, maybe I talk too much. This Magic Moment is dedicated to YOU
‘Night Ellin — it’s been interesting all our conversations today. Good grief — it’s 1:00 A.M.! Time to get to bed!
@blue rose: Sweat dreams. I’ll be in touch.
@Ellin: Don’t be stupid Ellin, most people here do not have “problems”, but from what I’ve seen are simply voicing the awareness of things they see unfolding, and using Dr. Macdonalds work, to gain clarity. Of course, you would have the posters here think that nothing at all out of the ordinary is going on in our society, despite the fact that you know about affirmative action, you know about quotas, you can see the massive demographic change and you must be aware that people here are concerned about all of this, otherwise you aren’t very bright. Calling people that post here psychotic or somehow demented says more about you, than it does about them.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC08Ak01.html
Welcome to the NWO .
@Bobby: Dr. Macdonald’s work is indeed a very detailed and accurate map of how one group has breached the walls, ejected the previous lords, and now sits in their place at high table. Your mistake, however, is to see this as some sort of raid by a few bandits that can easily be reversed so that we can all return to former happy times. It is nothing like that. It is a sea change, a new status quo. It is as significant and as irreversible as your displacement of Native Americans from their hegemonic position in America in the 19th century.
Take that as your starting-point. What could you have done if you were a Sioux Indian circa 1900? Absolutely nothing. Bows and arrows against Gatling guns. Unable to relinquish the past – and lacking the skills to prosper in the present or future – you would have languished on the reservation living your days in an alcoholic haze.
The reason you strike me as being unbalanced is that you do not see all this but alternate between rage against the current reality and childish optimism whenever one of you thinks they have ‘found a way through’. The suicide rate on reservations remains high to this day. Just a thought.
@Ellin:
Your “just a thought” is the umpteenth attempt to demoralize us and to make us acquiesce in our own submission. You almost seem to have a “Jewish agenda” (den ise Evreos pragmatika?). You cannot compare a handful of stone-age Indians vis a vis millions of modern Westerners circa 1900 with 200 million modern Westerners vis a vis a handful of Jews, no matter how “smart”, circa 2000. The Russians ultimately liberated themselves from these parasites (thanks, Putin) and Americans will do the same. We don’t need your “advice” to rot away on a reservation.
@Franklin Ryckaert: @Franklin Ryckaert: Now who’s reverting to Greek? You’re obsessed aren’t you? Ok, Greek it is. We call people like you a ‘Kira Katina’. That is, an old lady who makes the most mundane and fatuous remarks when those around her are having a high-level conversation. When you ask me ‘Are you a Jew’, you are a Kira Katina.
Ok, let’s say I am a Jew. What difference would that make? Debate the issue. Focus on the arguments. Don’t be bitchy. Unless, of course, that is all you CAN say.
@Ellin:
If it quacks like a duck…
@Franklin Ryckaert: Nai Katina ….
@blue rose:
The idea of Ancient Greek “homosexuality” might be a misnomer, because even if Greek men did have relations with boys, they obviously also had relations with women and had children with them. By definition that makes Ancient Greece a bisexual, not homosexual society, and this stems from the Greek belief that both the male and female forms are supposed to be equally beautiful.
So my entire family and extended family are going. This makes about 50 of us!! Everyone is so excited! Going to be awesome:)
@fender:
Yeah, well, whatever. If they are bisexual then they are homosexual as far as I’m concerned, and I would never trust one of them in a marriage.
I wonder why the editor has not censored Ellin? Its beyond obvious that he/she/it is an agitator using the tired “Saul Alinsky” trick of speaking outside your opponents experience while never validating their experience. The problem remains that sincere posters on this site actually engage with “Ellin” thinking it productive to tolerate the intolerant. The post section has now become about Ellin’s insanity instead of a positive event celebrating our culture.
@Angel: Ah, which culture is that? The Trailer Park Movement? The Hill Billy School of Philosophy? The Redneck Self-Improvement Society?
@blue rose: How do you know until you’ve tried?
@Angel:
Well said, Angel. I was so heartened by your obvious joy in an event at which our people can meet and simply have a great day together. I too wonder why so many of our posters cannot simply ignore those who have nothing of value to add. It is not a healthy sign.
@Ellin:
Playing devil’s advocate? There’s not much I can try, as there’s no fun in being lesbian as far as I can see.
@ Ellin
I wonder, why not write an article for TOO expressing your point of view regarding WN, the Jews, etc., and how the US differs from how Greeks view nationalism? For my part I’d like to read the overall ideas of what you think. I’m not stuck in any one-size-fits-all paradigm, so I’m open. You also appear to be a capable writer and all.
@blue rose: Thanks Rose but I’m not really qualified to talk about the US situation. One thing I do know is the caliber of the enemy. Have you heard of a man called Blankfein? He’s a monster. Do you have any idea of the effort and resources you’d need to take him on? And that’s just one of them. In the last US Presidential election, he donated nearly a billion dollars to Obama’s campaign. Ok I’ll tell you who he is. He’s the CEO of Goldman Sachs. Do you have any idea of the power of this organization? It is awesome. You’re talking about going out to take on T. Rex with a broomstick. All I’m doing is telling the other people on this site to get real.
@Ellin:
Ellin – good judgements IMHO. Yes…the reality is we are totally on the floor and the way things look we aren’t going to be getting back up.
But what are we supposed to do next? We still have to wake up tomorrow morning. Life still has to go on.
You have probably realized by now that we aren’t a bunch of vainglorius supremacists. We just want the same respect and rights as any other people. We just want continuity for whatever makes us distinctive and somewhere to live for our descendnets. We don’t want a lot.
Whatever you say, the Greeks are part of the European story. It’s fine to be a genetically special part from the Greek perspective. But they are facing the same mass immigration and disrespect as all the other European nations.
@Ellin:
Ellin – I thought maybe you had changed your attitude. Not sure if that’s true reading what you said to angel. I can’t be bothered to read through all the other stuff….but just so long as you are clear that you are very much kicking people when they are already down.
Why not harrass and bully a American Indian website site or American Black website? They are very powerful, have much backing and mainstream support. It’s only white folk – already in the process of being dispossessed – that are villified.
But if that’s what floats your boat, you carry on and have fun. There’s always room for another troll. No one really minds.
@Mickey Meadows: My beef with all of you is this. The ‘respect and rights’ that you desire are NEVER given. They are TAKEN. As to how you can take them, I do not pretend to know. Except to say this: you are nowhere near ready yet.
As for Greece, yes, we too under attack but we shall use our tried and tested strategies to come through. We have been through worse than this. Our methods won’t work for you. Every ‘race’ is different.
@Mickey Meadows: Angel got what she deserved. If you’re polite with me, I reciprocate. If you get smart, I slap you down. Clear, Troll?
@Mickey Meadows: Ah, poor baby. ‘Dispossessed’ no less. And ‘vilified’ to boot. Did the Alamo really happen in America? Not much left of that spirit on this site!
@Ellin:
We do know that we aren’t in any fit state at the moment. But you are wrong if you think Greece is going to turn things around on its own. Greece is under attack big time. There’s a huge test-case at the moment in Greece….involving the JNC on one side and a Greek national on the other, who is fighting for the right to speak of Greek ethnic interests without being accused of racism. He’s going to lose that case.
@Ellin:
Just sort your personality out on this site. Your a bundle of contradictions. I only pop my head in so often and neither want to ignore you (because you seem intelligent and with something to say that matters) nor nursemaid
@Mickey Meadows: What’s the JNC and who’s the Greek?
@Ellin:
I meant JWC — Jewish World Congress. I don’t know the guys’ name…I read it on the JWC website. I’ll find out for you and post it in the next day or so.
@Mickey Meadows: It’s probably Plevris. He wrote a book last year called ‘The Jews: The Whole Story’. The Jews sued him in Greece for defamation and incitement. He lost in the first trial but won on appeal. He’s been a thorn in their side for years. Don’t worry about Plevris, he always comes through. His son is now a member of Parliament with the far right wing party LAOS.
@Angel:
I would be surprised if it’s coming. Ellin’s posts are not consistent with each other. They are intended purely to undermine and demoralize. In one post he chides us for not being tough enough, in another he criticizes us for being to assertive as whites. None of it makes any sense internally. He makes farfetched claims like Japan being a model of multiculturalism! He’s stringing people along, but he is hostile to the site.
Returning to the subject of European American Heritage organizations, I think that we should consider in each state to form them.It would be so much easier to attract our people to them than to AP3,as I found out bitterly. It is a bit infuriating that they would not mind to learn how to dance polka and eat stuffed cabbage but to join AP3-oh,no! But- we need them and we need huge numbers.
@Ellin:
I’m not up on specific names like Blankfein, but both inside and outside of WN most all people are aware of power and grip of these financial institutions have like the big banks and Goldman Sachs and such. I guess this is where the Occupy people come in though.
All roads also lead to the Rothschilds, the mother of them all, according to these people. I think most people here are already well aware they cannot take on these Jewish financial organizations, including the Federal Reserve. Ron Paul claims he can take on the Fed and return the US to a gold standard, but frankly the chaos alone caused by such a change would be prohibitive. I doubt if he’s thought it through.
Anyway, yes, everyone here and WN in general are more than aware of the hand of the Jewish financial octopus that encircles the globe and the impossibility of doing anything about it. We’ll see what changes Occupy can make. And also Anonymous. I doubt it will be much if anything. The more we push them, the more they dig deeper into our pockets.
Here is something I was reading that fits well the white scenario as it is playing out in the USA. It’s written by a Jew. He’s actually writing about the mass migration of Islam into Western countries and leaving out the liberal Jewish hand in it, but it’s a paragraph that fits well what is happening today, unless things can be turned around:
@Ellin:
“Close this cite down and allow them to seek counselling of some kind”
Yeah we’re sick all right. You have to be sick to sit around arguing with those who are obviously too stupid to realize how stupid they are….Right?
@Ellin: You strike me as unbalanced, and in fact not Greek at all. I believe you are Mexican or hispanic, because of your overreaction towards my posts, for example,immediately bringing up absurd argements over how much people like taco’,s burritos,etc. Then you made the comment about the word crescenta, and how it doesn’t sound English but people are too stupid to know it. Come on Ellin, come clean and stop working underground.
@Henry Baxley: Ellin is the typical hispanic activist malcontent. He’s bothered over issues that he knows people are waking up about.
@Ellin:
That’s interesting. I never heard of Konstantinos A. Plevris before, and I’m certainly glad to read he won on appeal regarding his book. And that his son is now a member of Parliament with the far right wing party LAOS. Sounds good. I think Nick Griffin’s British National Party also has someone elected as a member to Parliament, unless I’m mistaken.
This is what it’s going to take: the jackboot pressing hard on the neck of these wily Jews. Little by little…
Can’t help but admire Plevris. By the way, Ellin, just so as there’s no misunderstandings….we might as well ask now….what are your opinions about Plevris? Pro, con, what?
@Angel: That’s rrrrrihhhhhgggtttt………….right
Re; Crescenta Vally Festival. Its good that some white people got together to celebrate their heritage. Can anyone tell me how many people showed?
Also, I’m curious as to how many blacks were in attendance.
Here’s my guess; If there were more than 400, at least two or three of them were black, If there were less than 400, there were blacks protesting.
My point? if you have a private party and uninvited guests show up, why have it at all?
@Ellin: Ellin, you continue to give yourself away.
@Henry Baxley: Henry, Ellin is simply the typical hispanic, probably Mexican posing as a Greek. He’s obviously not dumb, but too dumb for me not to have gotten his number. He talks way too much about taco’s, burritos, Spanish language, illegal immigration.etc. It’s sprinkled everywhere in his comments.
@Bobby:
Well, I dont know what he/she is but I know this; Any intelligent person must have some sort of hidden agenda to come here of all places…I mean what’s the point? if we’re all idiots and losers why waste valuable time on us cretins?
@Bobby:
Ellin who?
@Ellin: Ellin, how come a “Greek” knows so much about Indians living in an “alchoholic haze” and other very intimiate details like this. Most Europeans have no idea about the problems Indians have had like drinking. Come clean.
Come clean Senor Ellin.
@blue rose: I’ve known Plevris personally for a long time. You have to respect the consistency of the effort he’s put in. His understanding of the Jewish MO is tops. However, ideologically, he is a National Socialist. I still believe in democracy.
@Henry Baxley: Consider Henry, in one post he talks about trailer park trash, (a typical racist expression used by hispanic activists.) He’s pulling a con. He isn’t Greek. No Greek talks like that.
Ellin;
I only have a fifth grade education, so would you please explain to me the benefits of Democracy…I mean since you guys invented it and all, you should know all about it. I have racked my little pea-brain to to see the benefits (which must be many and glorious indeed to have so many worshippers)
Really! How does it benefit mankind???
Also, I don’t understand terms like “the Democratic Peoples Republic of…….
Does that mean they are a democracy, but not really?? And have you ever picked cotton?
@Bobby:
Maybe a Greek married to a Mexican?
@Henry Baxley: I’ll answer your question if you first explain why you ask me if I’ve ever picked cotton. Are you asking me if I’m black?
Hello, Ellin, where are you? No answer? Well, cheer up, you can always change from beinga Greek to being French. Just change your name to Pierre.
@Henry Baxley: Possibly. But somethings not right, Wayne noticed it.
@Ellin: Yeah, Ellin, because we know your not Greek.
@Bobby:
Well, I enjoy reading his/her bitter attempts to lash out at those who have something to believe in.
@Ellin:
You know Konstantinos Plevris personally??? Wow. That’s pretty cool. I’ve never known a real N*zi myself, and wouldn’t mind it. Tell him I said ‘hi’ :)
K. Plevris: “I am a Nazi and a fascist, I am racist, anti-democratic and I am an anti-Semite”
http://philosemitism.blogspot.com/2007/10/k-plevris-i-am-nazi-and-fascist-i-am_15.html
How is it you two know each other, when you believe in democracy, and he in national socialism?
As to a democracy, you’ve stated several times that Greece is not like other Western nations, particularly the US. Democracy hasn’t worked out too well for us, via the ‘Constitution’, which left us wide open for infiltration and take-over. And anyway I don’t care for rule by the mobs or the masses. Maybe in Greece democracy works differently. I have no idea. But given the country’s entry into the EU, looks like a Big Mistake there anyway.
I don’t know why Plevris believes national socialism would be good for Greece, but maybe he already sees the writing on the wall because of the mass migrations of Muslims into your gateway country. I imagine that, like in the USA, once here they demand to get on the public dole (or head for the ‘Human Rights’ court), and demand everything be given them, which means competition and less resources for the native Greek population. Maybe Plevris sees this, as Nick Griffin sees how it is in England, and we here in the USA see it in a sea of foreign dark-skin faces in government offices applying for the public dole, when actual needy Americans are pretty much given the cold shoulder and told ‘there isn’t enough resources’ for them.
Prof. MacDonald
I wish you would remove that kink that puts comments on moderation when a person forgets to abridge the “N” word, the one with a “Z” in it. TSK.
@Ellin:
You know Konstantinos Plevris personally??? Wow. That’s pretty cool. I’ve never known a real N*zi myself, and wouldn’t mind it. Tell him I said ‘hi’ :)
K. Plevris: “I am a N*zi and a fascist, I am racist, anti-democratic and I am an anti-Semite”
http://philosemitism.blogspot.com/2007/10/k-plevris-i-am-n*zi-and-fascist-i-am_15.html [fill in the lower case 'a']
How is it you two know each other, when you believe in democracy, and he in national socialism?
As to a democracy, you’ve stated several times that Greece is not like other Western nations, particularly the US. Democracy hasn’t worked out too well for us, via the ‘Constitution’, which left us wide open for infiltration and take-over. And anyway I don’t care for rule by the mobs or the masses. Maybe in Greece democracy works differently. I have no idea. But given the country’s entry into the EU, looks like a Big Mistake there anyway.
I don’t know why Plevris believes national socialism would be good for Greece, but maybe he already sees the writing on the wall because of the mass migrations of Muslims into your gateway country. I imagine that, like in the USA, once here they demand to get on the public dole (or head for the ‘Human Rights’ court), and demand everything be given them, which means competition and less resources for the native Greek population. Maybe Plevris sees this, as Nick Griffin sees how it is in England, and we here in the USA see it in a sea of foreign dark-skin faces in government offices applying for the public dole, when actual needy Americans are pretty much given the cold shoulder and told ‘there isn’t enough resources’ for them.
@Henry Baxley: What a cast of characters you are! Now I know why the Jews found it so easy. Blankfein will chew you up and spit you out before breakfast.
Shall I make one last effort to straighten you out, to get you battle-ready? Naa, pissing in the wind. There’s a reason why things happen. There’s a reason why you deserve to live as serfs in your own land. Let it be.
@Mickey Meadows: Mickey, Ellin is not Greek.
@Ellin:
So..You have never picked cotton. That explains a lot. (you think only blacks pick cotton) How can you judge people based on movies and stereotypes? I gave you more credit. I have picked cotton, therefore you can NEVER tell me how to pick cotton. Likewise you can NEVER tell me anything about life unless you are over sixty…..Unless you can point out whats so great about Democracy. Do that, and You will have succeeded in what you obviously want to do…Educate me.
@Ellin: //// Ellen, I want to personally thank you, for the overwhelming concern you have about European-Americans.
@blue rose: Blue Rose, everything you say about democracy is true if you’re referring to the ‘democracy’ that we see all around us today. But that is not the way Ancient Greek democracy worked and neither is it the way your Founding Fathers intended your democracy to work.
For example, have you read Benjamin Franklin’s letter where he specifically warns his fellow-’democrats’ against admitting even a single Jew into the new Republic? He thought it would inexorably lead to self-destruction.
It’s ironic. For all of Ellins berating the people on this forum for being somehow stupid, or arrogant, or unbalanced–, he’s the one that’s been acting like some little dictator ever since he showed up.
@Bobby: In the time it takes for you to go and make yourself a burrito, Blankfein will have made several million dollars. Yup, you’re no idiot.
@Ellin:
Tsk. You, me, Bobby, and Henry all need to get on the same wave length so we can get to the nitty gritty.
No, never read Ben Franklin’s letter, but I’m sure he said it. Also some Founding Father or other (maybe Thomas Jefferson) warned against corporations gaining power. Whatever.
That’s nice what the ancient Greeks thought a democracy should be and what the Founding Fathers thought also. The FACT IS — it has NOT WORKED OUT. Now has it? The ‘Constitution’ praised to the skies about the greatest document man has ever known — had LOOPHOLES GALORE, and left the US wide open to infiltration and take over. Particularly by the Jews. So what if Franklin wrote what he did? No one paid attention and now we are where we are.
The ancient Greeks thought a certain way about an ideal Republic. So what? Has it worked out in any way, shape, or form today?
What do these things prove? Some say the answer is ‘we must get back to the Constitution’. Well……GOOD LUCK WITH THAT HAPPENING AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME.
In any event, I read the Founding Fathers vision was for propertied land owners to be the actual ones in the ‘public square’ running the country. Everything was meant to be for propertied land owners to prosper their own selves.
I never read Plato’s Republic, and personally I feel it would be an exercise in futility to do so. And the Founding Fathers have proven themselves to be self-interested, and dolts into the bargain.
One day you too might be wishing for a National Socialistic country as the only way to go. But since the world took a turn towards Globalism, I think the future is already set: Corporations selling us plywood violins, life experience as virtual reality for those with the money, the rest will still be slaves, and SEX will be the driving force of the future.
@Ellin: In the time it takes for you to go make yourself a burrito,…
So, Ellin once more, gives proof that he is a La Raza type troll, trying to screw with people on this site.
@Ellin:
All right. Enough of this. Tell us what Plevris had to say about Goldman Sachs in his book. Give us some insights into the way we should go, instead of talking about burritos.
And you’d better apologize to me for saying I have a foul mouth yesterday. I was provoked into it when you started calling people names in Greek.
@blue rose: “No one paid attention”, and I would add, still aren’t. It doesn’t matter, for it’s so clear that the elite in this country, using the left, will cause it to break up into ethnic enclaves, just as happened in the former Yugoslavia and other nations. Just as Scotland is trying to get away form England. If it does happen it would prove what many of the people here posit about race, culture ,nationalism, etc. as being true. What should we do, not believe what is evident?
@blue rose: Ellin isn’t Greek.
@Bobby:
Ellin *is* Greek. Maybe you didn’t see my post yesterday where I found a webpage on The Economist website, with a title ‘Comments by Ellin’ wherein Ellin even gave a description of his chateau-style house in Greece, complete with a temple to Zeus. I posted the link to it too. And this was something I found quite by accident.
@blue rose: blue rose, you must understand, talking about burritos is a very serious matter to Ellin.
The LA County Fair last year had a small Renaissance-type European section — for the first time– with Scottish/Irish/N.European heritage booths, food, games, jewelry, books on Euro heritage, music, costumes, etc. — not a non-White in sight!! (the LA County Fair has ALWAYS had a VERY LARGE area that is exclusively for Mexicans including Mexican radio stations broadcasting live (and LOUD) in Spanish).
On the Calendar!! See You There!!
@blue rose: This proves what though? I can post this kind of stuff, anyone can.
@Bobby:
No, by all means believe what is evident. It’s the writing on the wall. Can anything be done? I doubt it. We are in the Age of Globalism, that’s the problem, and the clock is not going to be turned back for anybody. Which reminds me, I must turn the clock forward 1 hour which I forgot to do.
@Bobby:
Well, you can believe what you like, but I’ve had it independently proven to myself that Ellin is Greek and has a huge chateau-style house in Greece, complete with a temple to Zeus.
@blue rose: We are in the age of globalism, ENONOMICALLY SPEAKING, but look at what’s going on with nationalism, everywhere in the Western world it seems. This is why it was neccessary for General Wesely Clark to bomb the ancient Chirstian Capitol of Belgrade, on the Danube River, in Serbia. As Clark said, speakin of the reawakening of Serbian Nationalism, I paraphase, “no one in Europe will be allowed to go outside the boundaries of our Nato strategy,etc. In other words, your going to be forced into one world globalism whether you like it or not.
@Bobby: And nachos. And tortillas.
@blue rose: O.K. rose, let’s say he does. Can you explain to me, or to yourself for that matter, why he gets so uptight invovling all things, Mexican/hispanic? Go over his posts. It’s there for anyone to see.
@Bon, From the Land of Babble: That’s good to know, because anytime one can get away from the mariachi music, blaring away 24 hrs. a day, is a good thing. Or the boomboxes, that freak out my cat and two dogs. Too bad I can’t take them with.
@Bobby:
That Bosnia-Herzegovia-Serbia-Croatia area is way too confusing for me to comprehend, but last I tried to find out I think it was said that Serbia is predominantly a Muslim country, and what shocked me was that NATO bombed the shi-ite out of the Christian Bosnians living in Serbia. That really left me feeling like ‘who the hell side is NATO on anyway?’
Back in those days, somewhere in the 80′s I think, Blackwater send out offers to the US police departments asking if any officers wanted to go to Serbia to become border guards, help them set up police departments, and keep the peace. My brother signed up for a 2 year stint, and probably made out like a bandit money-wise. And to think Blackwater signed up US police officers to help out those filthy Muslims against the Christians was mind-boggling to me. I figured back then, I don’t know what country I live in anymore.
@Bobby: This time, I’ll actually give you a serious answer. There are around a million Albanians working in Greece and most people want them out. If I wanted them out, I would not feel good about eating their food and giving places in my country Albanian names. Quite frankly, I would feel like a jerk.
So, when you eat Mexican food – and tell me it’s called Crescenta because ‘it sounds nice’ – does the word ‘jerk’ not spring to mind?
@Bobby:
He’s only saying things like that ‘to get your goat’, Bobby. That’s all. You got to learn to read between the lines, open up your Third Eye, listen with your inner ear. Once you can get beyond the facade you can zero in to the persona and get him to say something, like his actual opinions and thoughts on things.
@ Bobby
Once you get to that stage then a conversation can begin. A real conversation.
@blue rose: Serbia is an Orthodox Christian country with very close ties to Greece. The bombing of Belgrade that you refer to was a 17-nation NATO operation. It is a matter of considerable pride to me that Greece refused to take part in that. And if you lean on Serbia or Greece too hard there is always the ‘big boy’ in the Orthodox camp to give us a helping hand – Mother Russia. Check out their new missile – it’s called Satan!
@blue rose: Blue Rose, when you come to Greece i want to take you to see the Meteora. It’s only about 2 hours from my home. You can look at some fotos online.
@blue rose:
I like your idea about getting on the same page. But to do that we must each say what page we are on and why… I’ll go first. I used to be on the National Socialist page (for 40 years or so) till I saw how impotent it was in the face of Global economics, technology, the false Gods of so-called equality, Democracy, Chistianity, etc. So I turned the page to the Natural Law page. Natural Law recognizes nothing but success. That is to say, no government system, no religion, no person, no race, no economic theory. NOTHING that does not pass the test of reality ie. Is it HEALTHY or is it SICK viewed in the context of history…..
Historically, HIERARCHY has worked. “equality” hasn’t. look at any military power structure and you can see why….Each KNOWS what team they are on, what is their rank, and what their duties are….IT DOESN”T MATTER WHICH ARMY THEY ARE IN. THEY ALL FUNCTION SMOOTHLY BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM.
POLARIZATION has worked. “equality” hasn’t. For thousands of years men and women got along relatively well because they each had a PLACE and Knew where it was. Thus the CHILDREN grew up KNOWING what was expected of them as a male or female.
Enter the spector of “equality” and in less than 100 years the 10,000 year old institution of marriage is DEAD for all intents and purposes.
FAMILY, RACE, etc. has worked. Muticulti hasn’t. Again its about KNOWING how to act, what is expected of you etc. With your own family you are competent and comfortable in your communications to other family members without fear of their misunderstanding. Your traditions and beliefs etc. are THEIR traditions and beliefs.
These three things, Hierarchy, Polarization, and family are NATURAL and healthy (NOT PERFECT) but not as dystopian and dangerous as the artificial world we live in today.
Why did they work so well for 10,000 years??? Because KNOWING and having a mom and dad is GOOD FOR THE CHILD. Nature is all about the CHILD. when the child loses its position as the reason for it all we are lost.
So…What page are you and the others on?
@Henry Baxley:
Basically I agree with you. Or, at the very least, I can say that the old way was the way I myself grew up in, and aside from dysfunctional parents, I at least never gave birth out of wedlock as a teen, or even later. I feel that at least has been my one accomplishment, when I look around today and find they now have ‘day care centers’ in high schools for baby mommas still in high school.
I’m not big on the ‘it’s all for the children’ thing. In the distant past, children seemed to have been brought up in villages where everyone looked after them, in hunter/gatherer societies. Obviously any society wants to protect the children, and ideally I expect a mother-father family seems best, providing the parents are sane.
I don’t know what to say anymore. Perfectly frank, I never dreamed I would see the world turned upside down the way it has. The situation today reminds me of a children’s movie of some sort I once saw many years ago. It was about a future that was taken over by a dark force of some kind. In one scene that I never forgot, it showed the Earth, a blue planet hanging in space, but overshadowed in its entirety by a dark shadowy haze. That scene always reminded me of the darkness that seems to have overshadowed men’s minds of today. On the Right, Left, and Middle. The movie was called “A Wrinkle in Time”. I only saw it once, but never forgot it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wrinkle_in_Time
Either we do indeed wrestle not against humans, but against principalities in high places (as per the bible), or else humanity is simply entering a new phase, one of Globalization, with the usual Elites and slaves, and those with money get to play with the high tech toys and live a fun life.
@Ellin:
Do they have Mexican take-out in Greece? I’m asking because now I’m curious myself how you know the names of various Mexican food.
PS: I’m still waiting for my apology from you.
No, wait. I think Blackwater sent my brother to Kosovo to be border patrol and help set up police departments. But it was the same thing: NATO was acting for the filthy Muslims against the Kosovo Christians in Kosovo.
@blue rose: Disappointing Blue Rose – thought you were smarter than that.
Wait. I see it now. Blue Rose & Henry CAN win against Blankfein. If they go on about ‘Hierarchy, Polarization & Family’ they’ll make him drowsy and then – while he’s asleep – they can set up the White Homeland. Fait accompli. Brilliant. Well done. Didn’t see that.
@Ellin: But setting it up isn’t the end of the story. The white Homeland needs a flag and an anthem. Do what Australia did – ask the public to send in their suggestions. Let me get the ball rolling.
For the flag, how about a brown trailer on a pink background. No? Ok, a grey burrito on an orange background.
For the anthem, anything by Dolly Parton. Yeah!
@blue rose:
Thank you for the link.
I must say that the reason your parents (and mine) were dysfunctional was probably because THEY grew up in a dysfunctional society….Equality came aboad around the time motherhood was abandoned for cribs, read baby jails, “formula” read child neglect, and modern appliances, read female obsolescence. That would be around the turn of the last century…20s/30s when “womens rights” translated into a lot of free sex for men especially, but women too. This free sex undermined the family even more and by the time it was oficially codefied into law near the close of the last century the family was already on life support
By the way the reason people have the instinctual need for sex is so that they will have children. Thats why I think Nature is all about the child.
@Ellin:
Do you think you can explain yourself? What are you talking about? And where’s my apology from yesterday?
@blue rose: Forget yesterday. It never happened. And from now on, go through proper channels. Lodge your complaint with Blankfein. The Boss.
@blue rose:
“Obviously any society wants to protect its children”
I see very little evidence that modern (western) society cares much at all about children. Especially in the US. on the contrary, butchering live fetuses (babies) in the womb is NOT my idea of protecting them. While it is true that their are laws against abusing born babies, after the fact. There is ZERO concern for drug adled idiots with the IQ of a sweet potato concieving a child that anyone with common sense knows is going to be abused and neglected.
Its all about the (sexual) freedom of the adults…to hell with the children.
@Henry Baxley: There are 5 spelling mistakes in your submission – and yet you fancy yourself as a thinker!
@Henry Baxley:
Goodness, Henry. One would like to think those things (modern appliances, cribs, formula) were things that made life a little easier. Are we to live in the dark ages forever? I don’t think all of Civilization rests or falls on ‘motherhood’. Life for the majority of people is/was not something out of a pleasant late 1800′s movie like:
‘Life with Father’ is a 1947 American comedy film. It tells the true story of Clarence Day, a stockbroker who wants to be master of his house, but finds his wife and his children ignoring him, until they start making demands for him to change his own life.
Most people didn’t have that luxury to be so middle-class with all the trimmings.
Natural Law is all well and good. In hunter/gatherer kids were brought up by the tribe. Life progressed to the WASP ideal of ‘family’. But truly humans are not mechanistic things, but must evolve also in some way, at least some times. This pideon-holing females as stay-at-home breeders, I don’t know…doesn’t sit well with me. If a woman likes it, fine. But forcing all women into this one stereotype to the exclusion of all other things, sounds kinda totalitarian somehow.
Natural Law is all well and good. But isn’t Natural Law something humans were designed to rise above?
@Ellin:
Oh shut up already, will you, and try to talk some sense once in awhile.
@Ellin:
My agenda here is teaching people about Natural Polarization and natural law. A “homeland” for all people will follow as a result….Whats yours?
@Henry Baxley:
Oh I figured we were going to get around to this sooner or later. The abortion issue. Hand-wringing over what other people want to do with their bodies. The solution is simple: if a person doesn’t believe in abortion, don’t have one, but don’t try to force other people to do what you want. By ‘you’ I mean this in a figurative sense.
We are at, what, 7 BILLION PEOPLE on Planet Earth, with projections to 10 BILLION BY 2050. All those mouths to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, and the majority useless eaters, if going by today’s lower IQ populations among all races. If you think you’ve got problems now, forced births by not allowing women freedom to choose and plan, instead of just going along with ‘Natural Law’ as you would have it — well WNs will have some chance in that future among the teeming BILLIONS yet to come. Most of those forced births will turn out to be liberals too, btw.
@Ellin:
Who said I was a thinker? Did I say I was a thinker? I THINK I said I had a FIFTH GRADE EDUCATION. And I THINK You are over your head so must resort to insults and “digging around in the dumpster (dustbin) of semantics and grammer”
That said, I do thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I’m always eager to learn.
@Henry Baxley:
I agree with you on this. There’s a youtube about a black woman with 15 kids from different ‘baby daddies’ no where to be found. The woman looks into the camera and asks who’s gonna pay for her kids. The answer is: YOU WILL…with your tax dollars.
The problem with some people’s thinking is they don’t even want to go along with Eugenic ideas regarding forced sterilization. Even a TV news item about a man with a MINUS 50 IQ, dressed up in a suit to look as normal as possible, saying as how he would have liked to have had a family except for the fact that way back when he was made to be sterilized. Can you imagine if such a man with a MINUS 50 IQ (which I didn’t think was even possible to have) had children, and his children had children? whoaaa Talk about dysgenics and a nation of idiots….
@Henry Baxley: To wean Whites off burritos and nachos.
@blue rose: ‘Shut up already’? That’s a very Yiddish turn of phrase. Are you a Barbara Streisand wannabee?
@Ellin:
What the hell is your problem, Ellin? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt yesterday, but I think Bobby and Henry and others are right about you after all. Stupid asshole.
@blue rose: Ooah! Wait. I think I’ve spoken to that -50 IQ guy on this thread.
@Ellin:
Do you talk to yourself much?
@blue rose: Is it ‘ass’ or ‘arse’?
@blue rose: No, but perhaps there’s more to be gained by doing that.
@Ellin:
No, it’s SCHMUCK and PUTZ, what you turned out to be.
And if anyone DARES call me Jewish because I used two Yiddish words, I’ll do like Batman and Robin POW, SPLAT, KICK you through the computer screen. Yiddish words have a way of reaching in to the essence of a thing. In this case Ellin is a SCHMUCK AND A PUTZ.
All it took was 1 day to find out his true character.
@Ellin:
Well, why don’t you go do it then while you play with yourself?
@blue rose: Hmmmm ….. Batman and Robin ….. Now there’s a nice relationship.
@Ellin:
Yeah, figured you’d like it. Someone to visualize while you play with yourself in a corner. Stupid putz.
@blue rose: Solly, me no speak good engrit. What mean ‘play with yourself’? How play if no patnah?
@Ellin:
Go outside to the gutter and pick yourself up some young boy. Your giszm should run with blood and pus. Schmuck.
@blue rose: Me no want young boy. Me want lady blue rose same same.
@blue rose:
Its not your body…its a baby. and it belongs both to you AND the father.
I am with you 100% on birth control. large families lead to child neglect as a matter of course (in modern society)
But their are better ways than killing available. Since the Natural family is history anyway any Government with any sense or sanity would do what china has done and fine people for having more than one child. Better still offer a one time reward of say $5,000 to people to have themselves permanently neutered.
It is instructive to note that since China’s one child policy the nation has prospered and the Catholic “Be fruitful and multiply” Mexico can’t feed themselves much less the kids. Oh wait… they are a democracy too! Christianity and democracy, the kiss of death.
But back to the abortion issue. Almost every abortion that takes place (except rape) represents a failed relationship. Why? If relationships didn’t fail, read, if marriage were not dead, there would be no need for all the killing. indeed, if I am right most abortions are done by single women. Most married women don’t want to kill their babies. That said I would rather a child be killed in the womb than face a lifetime of abuse and neglect.
My message to WNs is if you want to control your own destiny STOP HAVING SO MANY KIDS!! Out breeding your competition is the WORST THING YOU CAN DO! ….less is better….BETTER IS WHAT YOU NEED!!
…………………………………………….UNLESS…………………………………………………
You are a rich farmer whose wife doesn’t have to help you in the fields and can and will nurture the children, Go for it!! The smartest kids in America are FFA (Future Farmers of America) kids. don’t believe me check it out.
@Henry Baxley:
Gracias, pero no. Me gusta mucho la comida mexicana.
‘The smartest kids in America are FFA (Future Farmers of America) kids’.
Now there’s something that’ll keep Blankfein awake at night! Back and forth he paces desperately trying to see off this threat from the FFA. Gorging himself on nachos and burritos, it’s all in vain. No solution. Then, he has a tortilla and bam! Hits him like a truck. ‘Why didn’t I think of that before?’ He picks up the phone and calls the FFA: ‘Ok guys. How much for the White Homeland?’
Hey, everybody! Long-time listener, first-time caller:)
This festival sounds exciting! I’m looking forward to hearing the fun music, sample the delicious food, and watch the wonderful dances. I’m glad I found out about this today. It’s close to where I live, and sounds like a positive and fun event. So, let’s ignore the obvious trolls who are here to disrupt our good time. Seeing them try so hard only confirms how awesome we are:)
Thank you very much for this site, and I hope to see you all at the festival!
@KevinCole17: You forgot to mention the cross-burning. I’m not coming if there’s none of that.
@Ellin:
You are welcome at the Greek-burning.
@Franklin Ryckaert: Typical barbarian. Thinks souvlaki is made with human meat! (poutanitsa)
@Ellin:
Are Greeks human? I didn’t know that.
@Franklin Ryckaert: I know, you thought they were Gods but we don’t like to talk about ichor.
eisai mia karapoutana kai tha sou kteniso to kataifi paliopouste.
@Franklin Ryckaert: All the others have gone Franklin. Why are you still hanging around? I think you’re writing down my remarks to you in Greek and then using them to impress with your erudition.
Here’s a final one from Plato: ‘re mounopano katatripimene. klase na vgei i kapota, xamoura’ (Republic 3: 44).
@Ellin:
One final word and then I will ignore you. Do you know what the Sanskrit word Yavana means? Here it is : 1) A Greek, an Inonian, 2) Any foreigner, a Barbarian. Nuf said.
@Ellin: Ha,ha,………You are La Raza, 100% hands down. Got ya!!
@Franklin Ryckaert: Franklin, he IS NOT Greek. He has proved so many times that he is a Mexican/hispanic troll, of the La Raza school of though. He’s on the wrong website. He needs to go to the La Raza or MECHA website.
@Ellin: So you got a Greek translation of Plato, that’s nice. I’ve got books in Spanish/English, Russian English, German/English,etc.
@Ellin: How do you say it in Spanish, Ellin?
@Bobby:
You got it wrong Bobby, Ellin is definitely Greek. He knows Greek very well, even the most dirty invectives that no foreigner knows. As a South European he bears a grudge towards North Europeans, that is why he sympathizes with Hispanics. You don’t have to be Hispanic yourself to know the name of some Mexican food. He is obviously a very rich man who has travelled all over the world. He is intelligent, educated, vulgar and a nuissance at the same time. But Greek he is.
@Franklin Ryckaert: Franklin, I’ve asked the guy some 10 times if he is hispanic/Mexican. He has never once even bothered in the slightest to deny it. For me the verdict is still out. I have never met people of means waste their time bothering to throw invectives at people, instead of debating them rationally like intelligent people do. If what you say is true, it’s a first for me.
@Franklin Ryckaert: P.S. I might of some part of my conclusion wrong about Elli, but I will never be convinced there is some hispanic connection. For me, it’s sooooo obvious.
@Bobby: Sorry, Franklin I meant to say I”ll never be convinced that there isn’t some hispanic connection. I’ve literally read comments almost word for word, that La Raza type activists have used that parallel Elli’s b.s.
ATTENTION PROFESSOR MACDONALD!!!
You are cited and maligned here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html
by Menachem Rosensaft
Professor of law and son of Holocaust survivors
@Bobby: And this is what I think you are ‘Bobby’. I think you are all part of a Mossad false flag operation. Mossad has created a ‘community’ of white trailer park trash supposedly ‘debating’ each other on ‘lofty’ issues. In some respects, they’ve done a good job but what gives it away is this. Burrito-munching, obese, and flatulent whites may be dumb – but nobody can be as dumb as this cast of characters. They’ve overplayed it!
@Franklin Ryckaert: Some good points but ‘nuisance’ is written with just one ‘s’ as in ‘insane’, ‘nachos’, or ‘trailers’.
ton perneis kolopouste.
@Shiva:
Good find on the Huffington Post article on White Nationalism, thanks. We should go there and post intelligent, reasonable, pro-White notes. Don’t get into arguments over which race is “better”. Don’t disparage other races. Simply state that Whites have a right to defend their people and culture, just like anyone else.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html
@Bobby:
Greek, spanish, African, who cares. She/he NEEDS us for some reason or (it) wouldn’t be here. possibly paid by the ADL. Who knows? who Cares? (It) contributes zero the the cite, Why should we allocate space to reply to someone who wishes us harm. Ignore her. Don’t let (it) control your feelings, take away the only thing that feeds (it)
@Henry Baxley: Feeds it on burritos? No thank you.
@Henry Baxley: And ‘site’ is written with an ‘s’ not a ‘c’. As a Superior White Man, I’m surprised you, and most of your other burrito-munching, obese, flatulent fellow-scholars could make such an elementary mistake. I thought it was only Hispanics and such who refuse to learn English properly!!!
@Bobby: One end is for speaking and the other end is for farting. Try and work it out.
@Ellin: I got your number Ellin, but don’t be mad, I didn’t wake up this morning to the thought that I’m , “going to get Ellin”. I’m just happy I nailed you for what you are, La Raza, hands down.
@Bobby: The more fool you. No wonder Blankfein chews you up and spits you out every morning before breakfast.
Since the little girl Ellin keeps telling us to ‘keep Greece out of it’….let’s NOT :)
This Spring and Summer promise revolutions and riotings everywhere, so it should be interesting to watch the fate of Greece in 2012. Before I get into that, let me just divert to this for a moment, as a stream of consciousness:
On a metaphysical level, I’m ‘seeing’ Greece everywhere, that began with the troll Ellin showing up on TOO.
I watched an amusing little comedy last night called ‘My Life in Ruins’ (recommended, good little movie), set in Greece, and this morning’s email brought me images of the beautiful and magical Navagio Beach:
The Panagiotis is a picturesque shipwreck lying in the white sands of an exposed cove on the coast of Zakynthos, which is among the southern-most of the Ionian Islands of Greece. Navagio, the spot where she lies, is a valued tourist attraction on the north-western side of the island, accommodating thousands of visitors each year. Navagio Beach, an isolated sandy cove on Zakynthos island and one of the most famous beaches in Greece. It is notable because it is home to the wreck of the alleged smuggler ship Panagiotis; thus, it is often referred to as Smugglers Cove.
You can view these images here:Navagio Beach Smugglers Cove
Also, I’ve become suddenly mystically aware and attuned to a deep connection between ancient Greece and Christianity, in a way I had never experienced or thought of before (other than knowing the New Testament had been written in Greek). It began with a chance reference to the Erythraean Sibyl and the ‘acrostic prophecy’. I had to know. It turns out that indeed some lines of this prophecy are found, practically verbatim in the Book of Revelation (or the Apocalypse in the Catholic bible), for instance:
‘ [Theta] Then shall be weeping and wailing, yea, and gnashing of teeth; ‘
and
S Sounding the archangel’s trumpet shall peal down from heaven,
[Omega] Over the wicked who groan in their guilt and their manifold sorrows.
T Trembling, the earth shall be opened, revealing chaos and hell.
H Every king before God shall stand in that day to be judged.
P Rivers of fire and brimstone shall fall from the heavens.
Those lines refer to Revelation where it says (paraphrasing) that ‘in those days mens hearts will fail them and they will run to the rocks and beg them to fall upon them’.
In case anyone is still following me, here is a ROUSING rendition of the words of the Erythraean Sibyl’s prophecy sung by Nina Simone, which shows the lyrics, which you can listen to: Nina Simone’s Sinnerman
Read the Erythraean Sibyl’s full prophecy here .
What I can’t get a fix on is exactly in what year in the B.C. the Erythraean Sibyl lived, unless someone can point me in the right direction. Otherwise I’ll have to dig deeper.
I never knew this before, but this Erythraen Sibyl also sometimes appears in Christian iconography, shown as one who prophesied the Redemption.
One is Michelangelo’s rendering of The Erythraean Sibyl, another shows the Erythraean Sibyl as a floor mosaic in the Cathedral of Siena (see here), and she also is shown in mediaeval paintings in Salisbury cathedral.
Now — getting back to annoying the little girl Ellin. Let’s keep up to date on current affairs having to do with Greece.
Here is Paul Nuttall, MEP, of UKIP, the right-wing populist political UK Independence Party discussing the EU and the breakdown in Greece and its bailouts and see just how well the Greeks weather this storm.
‘EU pushing Greece towards revolution’
Shoot. A copy/paste from another comment board didn’t pick up the hyperlinks.
Magical Navagio Beach
Nina Simone’s Sinnerman
Erythraen Sibyl Acrostic Prophecy
Erythraen Sibyl in Christian Iconography
‘EU pushing Greece towards revolution’
@blue rose: Such hatred blue rose can only be for one reason. A Greek jilted you. Get over it. Our blood is sweet and many females of the species become intoxicated by it. I know, I know, it’s not easy to forget ….. those hands. It’s the hands blue rose. Shaped to hold a sword, carve a statue, or caress the skin of a beloved. What can I say? Find another one.
Just a note: all the hyperlinks didn’t come through with a cut and paste from another comment board. I listed them all again. When it’s off ‘moderation’, one can view all 5 of them.
@Ellin:
There’s no hatred on my part. It’s just that you are a nasty piece of work with nothing in particular to say, other than your telling us ‘Greece is special’, to keep Greece out of it, and so on. I still don’t know why Greece should be kept out of anything or why it’s so special. If you would explain yourself, one would listen.
@blue rose: I read the Culture of Critique last year and was very, very impressed. I then found out more about Dr MacDonald’s views on YouTube and through online research. I was impressed for the following reason.
We have been toe to toe with the Jews for 2000 years. Our main commercial battlegrounds were Eastern Europe, Czarist Russia, Africa, and the Mediterranean Basin. I can honestly say, with no hint of chauvinism, that – up until about 80 years ago – we had the edge over them. Then, they pulled off the greatest example of internal state capture in history. They captured the richest and most powerful state in the world, the United States of America. Since then, we have only held the lead in one area, the merchant marine, where they are genetically unable to function.
So, it is a matter of very great concern to us that the Jewish stranglehold on the US should be broken. That is why I was impressed with Dr MacDonald. I thought: ‘Here is someone who has worked it out for the Americans. Now, can he get his message out in an effective way?’
That is what brought me to this site. I wanted to see what the ‘army’ is made of. I know I’ve made a lot of provocative remarks but they were necessary to test your understanding, your mettle, and your prospects for achieving the goal – liberation from the yoke.
So, do I think you’ve all got what it takes? No, I don’t. Here’s why. Dr MacDonald’s work only explains the ‘how’ of Jewish power. It is not a manual for a liberation struggle (at least, not directly). Remember what I said at the beginning – we have been toe to toe with the Jews for 2000 years. We read them like an open book. You should not be surprised that it was a Greek-American who unraveled the Maddoff Affair and brought a successful prosecution.
So, if you want me to tell you what you must do to defeat the Jews, I will do so. Only for you. If you don’t reply – or if you reply and you are rude – you, and this site, will never hear from me again.
It’s true Prof MacDonald’s work explains the ‘how’ of the Jewish modus operandi, and many others like him are exposing the Jewish US-ZOG government. It’s this whole idea of Organized Jewry at the crux of it. It’s Machiavellian.
Your solution seems to be going after Jewish financial institutions like Goldman Sachs, right? You posted about this before. Other than the Greek who exposed Made-Off (I don’t know about that end of the story, about it’s being a Greek who exposed him), it is not easy to unravel all these Jewish financial institutions and Wall Street. Seriously? All there is now is the Occupy Movement and Anonymous trying to do that.
So if you have some secret what we must do to defeat the Jews, now is your time to tell us. The floor is yours.
@blue rose: It’s obvious really. The Jewish power structure is based on money. Nothing else. Money to finance politicians, money to make endowments to universities, money to finance anti-goy movies etc etc. If you can shut off the flow of money, you are home and dry. Ok, how can you do that?
I don’t know if you’ve spent time in close contact with Jews but, if you have, there is one thing you will have observed. They will do almost anything to avoid giving money to a non-Jew. In business, they buy from each other. A Jewish student buying a textbook will check the author’s name to see if it is Jewish. A Jew on holiday will try to stay in a Jewish hotel. Anything that involves parting with money is first checked for its Jewishness.
So, all you have to do is turn this same policy against them. Check EVERY spending decision you make to ensure that the money is not going to a Jew. Open files at home: Retail, Doctor, Lawyer, Dentist, Insurance etc and keep lists in there of bona fide non-Jewish providers. Exchange information among yourselves. Forget 9/11 or whether the Third Reich was a great regime. Your emails to each other should be something like this: ‘Hey guys, anyone out there thinking of life insurance? Found a good ‘one of us’ in Kansas City name of ….. Highly recommended’.
Money, blue rose, is their jugular and you should always go for the jugular. Your money is valuable to you. Why do you give it to people who use it to destroy you? Reorganize your whole life with this end in mind – just as they do. Also, don’t forget the spin-off. If you redirect your money in this way, Jews get poorer and ‘your people’ get richer – which means they become more effective in the struggle.
If you can do all this, I promise you they will squeal and their power will evaporate in very short order. And it is something they cannot stop you doing despite the great power they hold now. I hope you find this useful.
@blue rose:
The biggest problem WNs have, and in my opinion the ONLY problem, Is an ABSOLUTE REFUSAL TO CLEAN (OR EVEN NOTICE) OUR OWN HOUSE!!!
If all the Jews, blacks, mexicans etc. in the world suddenly vanished Morris Dees…(A genuine son of the white south and not Jewish) would still be here, playing “Big Brother” and advocating for “poor whites” against not so poor whites and getting rich for his effort. What about him?…..
Do you think that he would suddenly change his whole reason for being? His big brother attude? His very trade? (which is a goldmine by the way) and get honest work???
I have tried to get my fellow whites to look at this question; WHY DO SOME WHITES TURN AGAINST THEIR FELLOW WHITES? The answer is very simple, but is too dicey and close to home for comfort.
@Ellin:
Yes, the words you say are very useful indeed.
I know about the Jews too. I watched them closely all my life, their closed system, the obvious love they showed to their children (as opposed to what I’ve seen of how the non-Jew shows such love, which appeared to me far inferior to what the Jews have going). I watched the Hasidics as they crossed the Williamsburg Bridge with their baby strollers, I’ve been amongst the intelligentsia, the Jewish professors and scientists, and thoroughly enjoyed working with them. I never new what the hell the problem was, why people hated them so….until they gave me the internet. I came across Keven MacDonald’s book Culture of Critique. I was dumbfounded. Could this possibly be going on, the answer: organized Jewry. Everything points to ‘yes’. And it’s quite Machiavellian. I’ll bet Machiavelli was a Jew.
Oh I have noticed how the Jews only deal with other Jews when it comes to doing business. I rarely even see an Orthodox Jew in the supermarket, where my area is at least 1/2 Orthodox Jew. So where do they shop? Well, I know now. In their own stores. When I became aware, I realized my dentist was a Jew, and I was going to a Jewish doctor. I wanted to find a Gentile dentist and doctor, but there seems none in my area close by. In any event, it was hard to find one.
You see, Ellin….I’ve also often noticed how non-Jew Whites are their own worst enemies. Especially now, when it comes to White Nationalism. Oh we have people here talking s*it about ‘love of the whites’, but, as you point out….where is the net-working among them to only deal with other whites? So many just post blather.
One of the problems is that it’s hard to identify a non-Jew White/Gentile-owned business, because Jews seem to be everywhere and involved in everything. What you suggest about, perhaps a website for non-Jew Gentile-only doctors, dentists, store owners, whatever it takes…would in fact be a VALUABLE asset. A huge website that goes by state and city, or zip code, where one can locate actual non-Jew businesses.
It bothers me no end having to give my money to Jews. I usually go to the Chinese-owned grocery corner store, or the Muslim-owned gas station for gas (though I can’t stand the Muslims either really, but at least they are not Jews). But non-Jew Whites/Gentiles don’t seem to trust each other to begin with, so at least in America. So as long as Whites/Gentiles don’t trust each other, I don’t know what the hell can be done to get a White/Gentile closed networking system going.
But I think your suggestion is a good place to start, and a non-Jew (and non-Muslim) business networking system by zip code or something for Gentiles would be a tremendously good idea.
In addition to this, I am looking for some good things to come out of the Occupy and Anonymous movements, at least on some level. What they create is chaos, which shakes things up. By this means, a foothold can be gained somewhere, somehow. A shake-up of the entrenched Jewish and Zionist control over everything is what I’m looking for.
If you can help shake up some of these smug WNs right here with no solutions to anything…I’m all for you sticking around. Besides, I love the lyricism and dreaminess in your writing when you talk about other things.
@Ellin:
Ellin – good thinking. I also agree with your [implicit] point that this will have to be dealt with where they are strongest, not weakest. The USA.
@Ellin: @blue rose:
It pains me to admit this, but Ellin is right about a general boycott against the jews would be a dagger to the heart. However, for now at least a boycott by WNs. would like a mosquito biting an elephant, and whites would have to start making practically everything they consume themselves, since every food item in the stores is marked with the kosher symbol ( a U or K in a circle)
See my post above if you want the key that could make a general boycott possible.
By the way, don’t think the Jews are immune to Big Brother, they are screaming bloody murder about their diminishing demographic due to intermarriage, secularism, etc. Transculturation is killing them too!
@Henry Baxley:
I don’t know, Henry. The problem with America has always been racism against the blacks. I saw a documentary long ago about the origins of the SPLC, when the Jews began to immigrate to the US, somewhere in the early 1900s, around may the 1930′s or so. In those days Jews were excluded from teaching positions and finding employment. OK, fine.
But what they did was that they saw how blacks were also excluded from education down South. So the Jews headed down South and somehow or other they found employment in teaching black children. Watching the documentary I had to feel the Jews did right. I understand completely the Whites in the South, how they viewed the blacks. But I also felt bad for the black people. I met a black woman once who was at a meeting of the Dickensians — people devoted to Charles Dickens. The black woman told me of growing up in the South, and how she took comfort and became lost in the world of Charles Dickens when somehow or other she found a book by Him. Afterwards, she wanted to read more of his books — but the library would not allow her access! How despicable. A young girl who found enjoyment and solace in the world of 18th Century England, as only Charles Dickens can depict. And she was not allowed access to the library. I could only but feel shame for Whites. Seriously. You are right.
And so the Jews came along and did the job Whites would not do.
You are right: White refusal to clean up their own house.
I have since met many very respectable black people. Often religious. In fact it’s usually the Christian religious blacks where you will find them often more respectable and upstanding than whites.
As to Morris Dees. A piece of scum, obviously. I can only presume he’s learned his ways of pocketing funds by working with the Jews in the SPLC today.
And oddly, though not oddly at all — Whites do look down on poor Whites. I think it’s due to the Protest Work Ethic, as it’s called, when Protestant Whites were the ruling Elites in the USA. Today we find them in the Republican Party, the Party of Corporatism and Money. Of course the Democrats are shi-ites too.
@blue rose: Thanks. And I know it often means extra trouble – like traveling further just to find a non-Jewish doctor – but I’m convinced it’s the way to go. To ‘outjew’ them!!!
I was in Thailand recently. To my great surprise, Bangkok is inundated with Israelis and American Jews. They have bought up all the little hotels and guesthouses on the famous Kowsan Road. I was intrigued and wanted to know what was going on. To cut a long story short, they are establishing supply chains and outlets for synthetic recreational drugs (like Ecstasy). Did you know that Israel is the world leader in ‘pill’ production? When I asked a Thai friend why they are allowed to buy property in Thailand and ignore visa restrictions, he said ‘We know how powerful they are in America’.
They do the same thing in Greece and all over the world really: ‘Don’t mess with us. You know we control America’. It saddens me to see a great nation such as yours reduced to being the ‘tail’ on the Jewish dog. That is why it is so important to make a start with the money. From here on, don’t give them a penny. Remember, when people say ‘The Jews have a lot of money’, it’s YOUR money they’re talking about’!!!
@blue rose: Another friend I have in Thailand is Paul from Wisconsin. He’s been there for around 10 years. Although he’s married to a Thai woman, he plays the field and justifies it by saying that – in spreading his DNA around – he is improving the Thai gene pool! Paul knows little about politics and talks about it even less. I’m sure you would say he’s one of the Whites that you have to ‘wake up’.
But listen to this. Recently, to my amazement, he blurted out: ‘Fu..ing CNN! Every time a Jew sneezes in Tel Aviv, I gotta know about it?’ In other words, ordinary Whites may not be asleep as deeply as you think. Just a thought.
@Ellin: I NEVER heard of Blankenfield, and he doesn’t have any effect on my life.
@Ellin: I’ll give you this; you have a talent for melodrama.
Ellin, your idea of a boycott of all Jewish businesses is a good one. Precondition is of course that you know which businesses are Jewish owned. Often they hide behind Gentile names (and Gentile faces), and then you have also the case of businesses that are only partly Jewish. So the savest thing is to start White ethnic businesses such as Chinese and Indians do. But then the Jews also control the banks and the stock exchange, those will have to be replaced by our own also. The last hurdle is of course the Federal Reserve Bank, the major source of Jewish power. Perhaps an own parallel money system could be made. Major problem is of course that in order to be succeed the vast majority of the Whites will have to be part of the conspiracy, and how likely is that?
@Ellin:
I’m somewhat speechless here. This seems to touch on several things.
I can’t say I knew that Israel is the world leader in pill production. The country Israel? Or do you mean pill producers here in the USA? The drug producer named Eli Lilly sounds like it might be Jewish.
I was going to ask how do you know it’s the Jews behind the establishing of supply chains and outlets for synthetic recreational drugs (like Ecstasy). But given the newest TOO article by Alexander Mikhaylov (“Falling down the memory hole: Reflections on the 1980s Soviet counterculture”), I find I am now a bit tongue-tied. I can easily see now how it could be so.
Do the Jews enter Thailand on a mere tourist visa, or a different type of visa, like ‘nonresident alien’ or ‘permanent resident’, something like that? Because either they are buying the property legally, or else Thai officials are simply taking bribes. Either way, their buying up small hotels and guesthouses sounds like another Machiavellian move on their part.
This means they take in the tourist trade to Thailand, and would have connections to whatever night life exists there also, which means the easy selling of Ecstasy to the younger club-going crowd, if they have that there.
I guess I don’t have much of an entrepreneurial sense, because I personally would never have thought up the idea of buying a little hotel or guesthouse in Thailand which, on the face of it, sounds like a charming way of life, living in an exotic country like that and all. Too bad it’s always the Jews.
Another thought is that isn’t Thailand one of those countries that is a magnetic for pedophiles? Seems I saw a documentary on this, where white pedophiles travel there because to get a very young child for sex is an easy thing to do. If Thailand is one of those countries, then I’m sure the Jews themselves are involved in facilitating the underground pedophile trade in directing them to the places where to buy these children for sex.
All in all, I don’t know what to say anymore. If Jews are this clever altogether, then I should have married this Jewish guy who once asked me to marry him. He was on drugs, but rich enough, and was into pornography, but he had graduated from UCLA. His parents passed away, who had owned some sort of upscale type store before retiring. He told me he would change his ways. I did believe him, that he would. But stupid me, though I liked him as a person (looking beyond the drugs and porn), the thing was I wasn’t sexually attracted to him. Too bad for me. I think we could have made a go of it in time.
@ Ellin
He had a degree in political science, and with all the amenities his rich Jewish parents gave him (they left him their home in Brentwood, CA, where he invited me to help him with his garage sale as he was selling the home, beautiful home with swimming pool). And all he could do with all he had was turn to drugs and porn. Yet I liked him and we got along well. Stupid me. He would have changed, and I blew my chance. Oh well. C’est la vie. He was also non-observant, so that would have been no problem.
@blue rose: If you research the US porn industry ($12 billion a year), you will see that it is a totally Jewish affair. In many ways, it is the exemplar of what the Jewish threat is all about. It leeches money from you to them. It corrupts you. It weakens you as a group. It gives them a very personalized opportunity to manifest their hatred of you by providing ‘shiksas’ for them to ravage. All this is on record. Check it out.
So, your affair was a brush with death. You made a lucky escape!
@Ellin: As for pills, that’s well-documented too. Israel is the world manufacturing center for synthetic recreational drugs. From time to time, couriers get caught (almost always subsequently released) and they are usually Rabbis! It’s obvious why. A ‘man of God’ will be above suspicion and synagogues are ideal places to stash the goods (usually in the roof). When you have time, you can check all this out.
@Franklin Ryckaert: There was a movement, similar to what I am suggesting, in Germany in 1933. It was called, ‘Kauf nicht bei Juden’ (‘Do not buy from Jews’). It was very effective at the local level where Jewish merchants could easily be identified by local residents. Of course, not so good at identifying insurers, bankers, etc who are more ‘remote’.
Yes, I’m aware of the Jewish porn industry, and what it does to people’s minds, and how the industry enriches them. I don’t know what to say. The Jews only supply what people want. I don’t mean ‘only’, but it’s what people want. You can’t deny this. I don’t know what can be done. The end user of porn is at fault as well.
In the future, EVERYTHING will revolve around Sex. All those TV ads I see during the day, selling Trojan lubricants that promise heightened experience, and one Trojan ad was aimed at lesbians, no less! Late night TV there is an infomercial on with two sexual females holding and selling actual dildos and vibrators. The cost for these things is pretty high too. I can just imagine the orders pouring in. Then there’s the other daytime commercial that sells erection pumps for the men — and apparently Medicare covers it! Then there’s that Sandra Fluke person in the news that wants her contraceptives covered by insurance. Well, I guess if men’s erection pumps is covered by Medicare, why not contraceptives for the females? Anyway — it all points to a future that revolves around Sex…and drugs, either legal or illegal. What the young generations don’t realize, and probably don’t care, is that there is a Puppet-Master behind all the fun, selling them ‘heightened experiences’ and a never-ending thrill-a-minute. I often wonder what the Year 2050 will be like…when it’s time to pay the Piper. 2050, assuming the world makes it that far.
It’s a very strange world we live in. I don’t consider myself a prude by any means (maybe I am. I don’t know), but even I myself am pretty shocked at the things that go on. And if Jews are the true Puppet-Masters…well…I have no answers considering the insidious nature of this dark force that’s everywhere.
As to John, the Jewish guy…no, you didn’t know him the way I did. For all the things he did, his favorite TV show was ‘The Waltons’. We also loved to watch ‘Upstairs/Downstairs’ together. We’d smoke a joint while we watched it, and got immersed in the table settings, costumes, and surroundings. He and I seemed to be able to communicate telepathically sometimes as we watched it. He did have connections to the porn industry, as he worked as a projectionist in a porn movie theatre. With his bachelor’s degree in political science. Simply amazing. He had a friend that came over now and then, a kind of a nut poor guy, cross-eyed and disowned by his family who’s father wrote for the Emmys in Hollywood. John took pictures of him naked to put in a porn magazine, and once he had him wear a new dress of mine and took a picture for the magazine. He knew I thought the two of them were nuts.
But I always believed John could have been reclaimed if I had married him. He knew I would have put a stop to all of it if he wanted a marriage.
Anyway, enough about John. He was going downhill when I left him. I really feel I should have stopped him. He would have changed.
@blue rose:
“The biggest problem in America has always been racism against blacks”
No. The problem we have in America today is the same problem we have always had; The false God of democracy, Read “BIg Brother” which assures government by the well-born elite, (Big Brother) There is racism in america because Christian Big Brother shipped them here from Africa against their will for profit. Later, after some comely high yellows began to appear through the inevitable inbreeding, Big Brother suddenly decided they were HUMAN after all and thus became the object of his bleeding heart. Of course this didn’t set well with Big Brother Slave Owner of the south…Who had by this time also decided they were human…at least some of the women and young girls, but were reluctant to give up their property.
So the Civil War was started by Big brother (north and south) and FOUGHT BY LITTLE BROTHER…Giving rise to the saying; “its a rich mans war and a poor mans fight”….nothing has changed from 1861 except that Big Brother, thanks to technology, has a million times more power than he did then. Little brother still fights his wars, and runs the machines that print the newspapers that tell him who he needs to fight next, only now little sister also feels a sacred duty to defend “her nation”, read Big Brother….did you know George bush was a first-born child of rich parents? just like his daddy
If you and or the rest on this site still don’t get the concept of Big Brother in both the literal and figurative/symbolic sense we are in serious DEEP ****!!!
@blue rose:
“Yes, im aware of the Jewish porn industry”
There it is again, the stubborn refusal to clean your own house.
While it is true that the Jews have taken almost total control of porn,
IT ALL STARTED WITH “PLAYBOY”…..Hugh Hefner, born the first child (Big Brother) of protestant, gentile parents
Not to be outdone, another GENTILE Larry flynt lauched “hustler” and was the first, if I remember correctly, to feature pics of interracial sex.
Firstborn son of working class protestant family.
Ps.
Flynt’s publication was so filthy and unnatural a WN tried to assasinate him and left him parlyzed
Ps. again…His own daughter accused him of rape.
@Henry Baxley:
I was never a believer in democracy and I don’t worship it. I don’t even go in for patriotic displays.
I read about Bush. If there’s any truth to it, there’s also a website I use to read that showed the connection to the Elite Blloodlines (like DuPont, but I forget all the other names) that go back to aristocratic bloodlines. Even Obama is related, according to this website, to Bush (or some other famous name). The owner of the website, last I know, was in prison. I don’t remember the key words to bring up the website itself, but someone may know of it here. It has to do with Illuminati connections, as it is called. Anyway the owner traced out genealogically all these famous names of the Elites and showed the connections that most are all related one to another going back in time.
@blue rose: I read what you say, blue rose, but I just can’t understand it. It’s such a different culture. Now, I hope you understand what I meant when I said ‘leave the Greeks out of it’. I didn’t mean ‘we are better’, I meant ‘we are so different’. And, as a result, our survival strategies are different too. They wouldn’t work for you.
Apropos Thailand, there are a few pedos but mainly it’s Whites who monger in the bars looking for prostitutes to marry! And many thousands do, every year. Now, here’s an interesting fact for you. 99.9% of those whites are from the US, Scandinavia, UK, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand. There are practically zero Greeks, Italians, or Spanish. That should tell you something.
@Henry Baxley:
Larry Flynn and Hugh Hefner, both non-Jews and white Gentiles. See, this is why I have to wonder if it’s *only* the Jews to blame for everything.
Playboy, especially, has brought porn into the mainstream. Flynt’s magazine, I forget the name, was crude. I may be perverse here, but though we don’t need Playboy available at the racks at the supermarket check-in (like it once was displayed), I’ve always felt at least Playboy’s pictures were tasteful. Still…it doesn’t excuse it. I can ONLY IMAGINE half the things that go on in the Playboy mansion.
@blue rose:
“In the future, everything will revolve around sex”
It always has, but in the DISTANT past, it found a healthy outlet in the institution of marriage. Since that is over for all practical purposes, Porn is what is left.
And yes, people leading false, artificial, lonely existance DO demand porn.
@blue rose: Blue rose, the enemy is devious. Hefner and Flynt are, without doubt, both Jews. Just look at their fotos and trust your instincts. And not just that. You know what they say – if it walks like a duck etc etc.
At the moment, you have a sitting President of the United States who cannot even prove he was born in America. If THAT is possible, then ANYTHING is possible.
@Ellin:
Yes, I think it does tell me something, that 99.9% of those whites are from the US, Scandinavia, UK, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand go to Thailand looking to marry prostitutes. I’m not sure what though. That they are sexually repressed, and can’t find the kind of sex men want in the marriage bed (the Hieros Gamos) with their white female counterparts because their white female counterparts are equally repressed ? Is that it? Is that what you mean?
I know a little about the hot-blooded Italians (when I visited Italy), the Greeks (from you), and the Spaniards. I once kissed a Spanish guy and it gave me an orgasm just by the kiss. I shouldn’t really be expressing all these things, but whatever.
You are right about America though. It’s a completely different situation here, non-homogeneous and with a credo to ‘send all your rejects here. We want them. We’re multicultural’ kind of thing. Greece is a smaller country, and more homogeneous culturally. They’ve also got their antiquities all around them as a daily reminder. However democracy worked over there, I guess it worked. But in the USA I can’t say its worked in the least.
@Ellin:
Larry Flynt does look Jewish, and I always figured he was. But Hefner I’m not sure abut. Anyway maybe you’re right about the both of them.
@Henry Baxley:
I wouldn’t worry about it, Henry. People are still getting married. And remember, all marriages in the past weren’t healthy, from the poor to the rich. The institution itself makes sense, but not all marriages are healthy just because it’s a marriage.
@blue rose:
Oh now I get how it works, if a gentile does something bad, just SAY he’s a Jew, that way you NEVER have to go any deeper…(shakes head)
@blue rose: There are two reasons why Greeks etc don’t go over to Thailand to bring back a Thai wife.
First, what is mom going to say when you present a woman who isn’t Greek, isn’t a Christian, can’t cook Greek food, and has a large scorpion tattooed across her buttocks? You get my drift. In other words, there are cultural obstacles to be overcome. I suspect that your people – with their ingrained sense of fairness – will simply ask ‘Is she a good person?’
Second, when you’re having fun at home, places like Thailand aren’t particularly attractive. In any Greek town, you’ll find more people out at 3am than you will during the daytime. Madrid is just as ‘bad’. In other words, the White countries – with their belief in the primacy of work – have become a little boring and this pushes some of them to extreme forms of ‘escape’.
@blue rose:
Well… I wouldn’t worry about the Jews Rose, not all jews are Zionists, and many young secular Jews are intermarrying….Just not with you.
@Henry Baxley:
Now Henry, don’t get me wrong. I’m more than willing to believe both Flynt and Hefner are Gentiles. I only said that Flynt does look Jewish, but I’m not sure about Hefner.
I’m an equal opportunity hater. I am more than aware that for every egregious Jew there is an equally egregious Gentile in the woodwork.
@Ellin:
Yes, America is a tiresome place. The ‘primacy of work’ comes directly from the ‘Protestant Work Ethic’ from when the Anglo-Protestants were the ruling Elites in the USA. Work, work, work, for the Masters. As a result, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Let’s all indulge in a little escapism. I could use some of that right about now…Hope you enjoy:
Hypnotize – And One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AwHyvLKky0
@blue rose: By the way, I can match your Spanish kiss episode.
When I was 20, I had a passionate 3-year affair with a very beautiful Greek girl. One summer, we went to a crowded beach and lay down on our beach mats side-by-side but about 1 meter apart. We lay on our fronts and turned our heads to look at each other. Without moving and without touching (there were people all around), we looked into each others eyes and thought sexy thoughts. We both climaxed after about 10 minutes. I regard that incident as one of my greatest achievements in life. Does that trump your Spanish kiss?
Ah I just remembered it, what we were talking about. It’s Fritz Springmeier and the 10 Illuminati Bloodlines:
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/blood.html
The Astor Bloodline
The Bundy Bloodline
The Collins Bloodline
The DuPonts
The Freeman Bloodline
The Kennedy Bloodline
The Li Bloodline
The Onassis Bloodline [something for Ellin]
The Reynolds Bloodline
The Rockefeller Bloodline
The Rothschilds Bloodline
The Russell Bloodline
The VanDuyn Bloodline
The Merovingian Bloodline
The Disney Bloodline
The MacDonald Bloodline
I haven’t read Springmeier’s website in ages. It’s pretty interesting.
@Ellin:
ummmm I’m beginning to feel like Mae West here….come up and….see me sometime…. ;) I could *feel* the heat of the Sun and the sands on the beach…. I think I see you in black swim trunks that day.
Well…enough for one night for me :)
@blue rose: Bye Rose. Speak again soon.
Just one more…
Roberta Flack – Killing Me Softly With His Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ2t5e7stVM&feature=related
If this song were playing, it would have been 5 minutes.
@Shiva:
yes the jews and huff post are disgusting
@Wayne:
Is Ellin a “she?”
I didn’t know that trolls had a gender, but now I know that they can have a nationality.
I say ignore this troll and s/h/it will go away.
@Ellin:
“To illustrate the irrelevance of race, let me just say this. If the Greek Parliament had given a foreign leader – who was in open conflict with the Greek Prime Minister – 30 standing ovations, I would hang my head in shame. Not so, you. More’s the pity. ”
Hmmmm. That might be, because the Greek Parliament, along with most of the rest of the Greek government workers are rioting in the streets over the suggestion that they might want to consider thinking about the possibility of waiting until they turn sixty before they retire.
We take pride in the fact that our scoundrels – the best Congress that money can buy! – tend to be carried out of office if they aren’t voted out first.
@blue rose:
“Yes, I’m aware of the Jewish porn industry, and what it does to people’s minds, and how the industry enriches them. I don’t know what to say. The Jews only supply what people want.”
Indeed…what people did not even know that they wanted. What their primal, unconscious, primitive, brutal, violence and sex obsessed evolutionary baggage wanted.
And yet inspite of this baggage great civilizations arose (and fell), beauty, poetry, art, science and ‘going to the stars’.
But yeah. Show someone pornography and make it a little rougher, and sure…there will always be some part of that person that wants it.
As fender says ‘levelling’
@Mickey Meadows:
There’s always been an underground of porn down through the ages, from antiquity to, of course, modern time. There are certain tours in Greece and Italy, for instance, that take tourists around to off-the-beaten-track ancient sites where one can view frescos, carvings and pottery showing porn from the ancient times. These tours are not usually advertised to the general public.
The History Channel has a documentary called The History of Porn, which is quite interesting. Also, I often wonder about the ancients and their fertility cults, if this had anything to do with porn. I imagine it does though.
For an overall, you can see early depictions of porn from ancient times here History of Erotic Depictions
Palaeolithic & Mesolithic
Egypt
Greek and Roman
Peruvian
Asia
European
There’s a section on the beginnings of mass circulation: printings, photograph, magazines, moving pictures, digital
But pornography is an ‘underground thing’, I think. It’s not necessary to “beauty, poetry, art, science and ‘going to the stars’ “, as you put it. Porn just happens to exist, side by side, but in a hidden, underground way. But in modern times, there is big money in it and making it more mainstream in different ways. It’s not a good development, in my opinion, keeping young people, whose hormones are already raging, continually focused on images of sex, which often goes along with images of violence too. I watch some of these ‘slasher movies’ aimed at the younger crowd, and it’s nothing but hideous scenes of violence, killing, and blood, scene to scene.
Looking at society today, it looks pretty bad the way things have progressed. One can blame the Jews, but the general population seems just as bad.
@Henry Baxley:
” and many young secular Jews are intermarrying”
And raising the kids with fully Jewish identities. Intermarrying with Jews is the last thing we should be doing because it gives them the benefit of our genes.
I believe Ellin’s comments indicate the value of psychometic evidence of racial differences. Some have argued that noting IQ differences is somehow irrelevant, but the move evidence we have of behavioral and mental differences between human populations, the better. Ellin dishonestly pushes a culture-only view of human nature (genes don’t matter at all in this view). This is the erroneous view that Frank Boas pushed.
So, I think we need a renewed emphasis on human bio-diversity. It is quite real and has real world impact for how societies should be organized.
@blue rose:
Instead of the Illuminati bloodlines website, take a gander at the real PhD level work done by MacDonald on this site. Check out his paper “Understanding Jewish Influence”.
@blue rose:
Prostitution has always been with us also. But than doesn’t mean its healthy for the average person.
You seem to be defending porn as a normal part of life. It is NOT. Do the reseach. practically ALL porn actors have STDs, drug addictions etc. If you will check, my guess is you will find historically, porn was most excepted in societies that were going downhill fast.
The sad thing is that is considered a moral issue and only Christians are opposed to it (half-heartedly)….It should be considered a health issue. watching other people have sex is un-natural and, while addicting, actually raises stress levels and leads to all sorts of mental and physical problems. To defend porn because “everyone does it” is like saying we should defend Israel because everyone else.
@fender:
“And raising kids with fully Jewish identities”
If by “Jewish identities” you mean blind supporters of the zionist state like most gentiles I must disagree. Some of the most anti-zionist people are young secular Jews.
Fender;
Anyway, if you had read the thread you would know that i was responding Blue Rose’s comment “I wouldn’t worry about it Henry, people are still getting married”
@Henry Baxley:
I didn’t mean to sound like I’m defending porn, but only mean to say it *is* part of life, and as the historical record shows, has always been. I just try to start off being objective and I try to remain so.
Whether practically all porn actors have STDs or drug addictions, this, it seems to me, is up to them if they want to enter the business. They know the risks. I doubt if the percentage of porn actors with STDs or drug addictions is all that high, as compared with the rest of the mainstream.
I wouldn’t say porn is associated with a decline of civilization because porn has always been a part of ancient civilizations. Civilizations come and go more so for bad political judgements or war or conquest. It hardly has to do with porn. Though in today’s modern age it is different because porn has gone so mainstream that we can indeed see the effects it has on culture, not to mention its use by Elitist manipulators who use porn to keep the population busy fornicating.
Watching people have sex *is* weird — I give you that. And I agree it leads some people into psychological problems.
The morality thing is a holdover from this Judeo-Christian ethic. Normally I try to separate out any of this Judeo-Christian ethic thing first, and then look at a thing and see what to make of it. In a secular society, with separation of church and state, things like porn can be decided on a more rational level. Well, ideally, anyway. The thing is, from what I can see, there is no way to dismantle the entire porn industry and make it go away. An ideal secular society would relegate porn to where it’s always been — kept out of sight.
The problem is that today in the USA there is a culture or religious war going on for control of the country. I, for one, do not want to live under a fundamentalist totalitarian state, with ‘Judeo-Christian’ ethics and morals. I would prefer a secular society making its own moral judgements on things. A secular society would not be totalitarian about everything.
@blue rose:
We have a secular society and the result is not freedom for those who are interested in porn. That, as you say, has always been the case for those interested enough to seek it out. Our system forces porn upon us. It is virtually impossible to live in this country and avoid porn. That is not my idea of freedom.
@Alice Teller:
Yes, I think I already expressed that porn has always been a part of civilizations from antiquity on down to the present, but that it has only been in modern times that it has gone from ‘taboo’ and become way too mainstream, right up to including sexualized ads on the sides of buses, like ads for high-end jeans. Down through the ages porn was at least kept hidden as a kind of underground thing, where in my opinion it should be.
An ideal secular society with separation of church and state should be able to deal with a lot of the negative aspects of porn that have come about, not the least of which is the sexualization of children. But unfortunately there seems to be one additional overlay that was not quite present from ancient times on down. Today we have things like Big Brother, including the Elitist Puppet-Masters, Globalization, the Financiers and Wall Street, a totally and visibly corrupt US government and they don’t care we know, money-making corporate-government alliance, in other words Elites with their own agenda running the show. Their aim seems to be to keep the proles fornicating, titillated with high tech toys, and on drugs so the Elites can busy themselves ruling the world.
I say an ‘ideal secular society’ because given all of the above, I think even the concept of an ideal secular society is out the window. And certainly a fundamentalist totalitarian state based upon the ‘Judeo-Christian’ ethic of morals and values is certainly not the answer, as repressive in the extreme and out of the question.
Porn isn’t the only area you will have no freedom not to see it. Freedom itself you will have no freedom to see even that as the generations are tracked by computer now and everything about everyone is already in a database somewhere and accessible to authorities. Times have simply changed. It seems already a soft Totalitarian state. An overt Judeo-Christian totalitarian state would not improve things any.
Not too much can be done about porn these days, but boycott corporations over their sexualized ads, protest sexualization of children, I don’t know. The entire situation with porn now out in the mainstream and showing up in so many ways seems to me an impossible task to fight against. Of course keep trying though.
@blue rose:
It is safe to say we have differences of opinion on porn, no big deal, intelligent people can differ. We can leaveit at that. On the “separation of church and state” I really don’t see a separation in America, or for that matter anywhere. It looks to me like the church IS the state and vice versa, You have an Islamic Church/state in most middle eastern countries, the exception being the Bathe Party in Syria and the former Iraq. In china you have the church/state of Atheism, and of course you have the church/state of Israel and it’s colony the U.S. In ancient times the church was the state and vice versa.
In the Third Reich the state was the church, etc. It just seems to me the two are destined to be entertwined no matter what you do. so the question then becomes what FORM of church/state is best for society. For that I lean toward a CS based on Natural law.
PS;
The church/state National Socialist Germany was a case where Natural Law was taken to the extreme (worship of Aryans as God) which imo was one reason it failed
@Henry Baxley:
You take the metaphorical use of the word “church” (for ideology) too far. In this way you can prove anything.
BTW, the socialist party of Iraq and Syria is called Ba’ath (“rebirth”), not Bathe.
@Clytemnestra: Get rid of the Greek name fool. Then say whatever you want.
You make a good point here. The separation of church and state is the reason why the USA has the current religious war going on with the Christian fundamentalists who maintain the Founding Fathers had in mind for a Republic to have Judeo-Christianity as a state religion, but others maintain the Founding Fathers were deists. The problem here is that Anglo-Saxon Protestantism is what is meant by “Judeo-Christianity”, and this war for the Republic is being led by fundamentalists who believe in a literal reading of the Bible. Protestantism arrived on these shores via the Pilgrims — a fanatical sect that was not allowed a foothold in England and were considered a nuisance (Charles Dickens often gave hilarious accounts of these Christian fanatical nuts in 18th Century England in many of his novels), so they left England to become a blight upon the shores of America.
Somehow or other people say America began with the Pilgrims, which to me, it simply did not. While possibly some of the Founding Fathers might have been descendants of these Protestant Calvinist Pilgrims, the concept of a New Republic was not meant to make it a Judeo-Christian Republic, no matter how loudly today’s Protestants might protest. The majority of the Founding Fathers were serious about a New Republic and wanted such a Republic to be based on new principles, ones that were based on Logic and Reason. These were men of the world, well educated, well read, well experienced. The war for the nature of this New Republic ostensibly began with them, and still rages on today. The rational ones were Deists and held out for a nation based upon separation of church and state.
We see this war play out today in politics. The fundies are trying to get Rick Santorium nominated for Republican candidate. A nutcase that will set this country back decades if he ever got the chance, espousing a fundamentalist and literal reading of the Bible. And Santorum is Catholic and has connections to Opus Dei. So I guess it all fits together for a platform. If successful (which he won’t be), this nation would become a Christian totalitarian state, as far as it can get away with it.
Regarding the Germans worshiping the Aryan Man as God, you are spot on. There’s one such article on TOO about the glories of the Aryan Man, and it’s quite a smarmy read.
@Ellin: But your’e not Greek.
@Henry Baxley: @Henry Baxley: That isn’t in National Socialist doctrine Henry. I’ve never read of it or have heard this.
@Bobby: Look at the way you spelled ‘you’re’ fool. Are you sure it’s not YOU who’s a Mexican?
@Henry Baxley: @Bobby:
You are right Bobby. However, you must understand that i was trying to make a point about Church and state being inseperable to Rose (for good or ill) and using Nazi Germany as one example where the IMPLIED egotheism, which runs between the lines of the official doctrine is appearant. Hitler often refers to the “blood” as the be-all-end-all of life. I suspect it was mostly said for effect (demagoguery) to get the people behind him, a trick used by all politicians today; “Americans are the bravest, most honest, hardest working, etc. But who knows how much of it he actually believed.
The larger point I was trying to make is that the inevitable union (more or less, sooner or later) of church and state should not be focused on as much as the QUALITY AND NATURE of that union. Example, the atheist state of communism and the theist state of Israel=bad. whereas the National state of Nazi Germany was good, inasmuch as it was based in Natural law. Where he went too far imo, is presupposing that the family is the State rather than the state being the family. As it should be. Nature is all about the family, imo. But when you worship the family and discard Nature, you have abandoned that which makes family possible. Again Just my opinion.
Lissen, Agamemnon! It should be ‘get rid of the Greek name, fool’. When you address someone, that someone’s name should be preceded and followed by commas. As in ‘come here, Ellin, and put on your tutu and pompoms’.
@blue rose: Please list the founders that were not rational? You got one thing right, America did not begin with the pilgrims, it began in Virginia, home of the first settlements.
@Henry Baxley:
Nature is all about the family, imo. But when you worship the family and discard Nature, you have abandoned that which makes family possible. Again Just my opinion.
This sounds right to me, Henry. This ‘worshiping of the family’ has reduced the whole thing to idiocy, as I see it play out in the mainstream media.
I can’t explain it, but intuitively I see it play out. Maybe a lot of it is contained within ‘A new study shows….’ as to child-rearing or something, or the mainstream trotting on all manner of blathering ‘experts’. Or maybe it’s just the right-wing carrying on about the ‘worship of the family’. It’s all very smarmy too. All I can say is, let the band-wagoneers keep it up and soon they will hang themselves altogether.
On a brighter note, here’s something interesting: There’s a resurgence of N*zism in Latvia. Hadding Scott will appreciate this:
The day of remembrance for Waffen SS veterans is being held in the Latvian capital, Riga. The annual rally features SS supporters and nationalists, and is condemned by about half of the country’s population as ‘glorification of N*zism’. And as RT’s Jacob Greaves reports, its influence on young Latvians sparks fears of that neo-N*zi support is growing .
Mad March: Nazi SS ‘glorified’ in Latvia
@Ellin: Typing error. I really should proofread my comments more carefully. Adios. Peace.
@Henry Baxley: Thanks Henry. I see now where you were coming from and I agree. That Hitlers every word should be taken as an expression of his love for the Germans, etc. is complete nonsense. I have concluded that the man was aside from his beliefs, simply one of historys power players. What characterized the National Socialist Regime more than any ideology, was simply its striving to keep power and let most things continue the way they were, especially with business. Though they occasionally interfered, they were basically content to allow the capitalist aspect of Germany to stay in place. Unlike the Soviet Union, they had no great interest in “completely” transforming the society as is so often thought.
@Henry Baxley:
Henry, sorry, I’m confused what you meant by this “But when you worship the family and discard Nature,” Would you clarify a little more what you mean?
The topic which started off with Come On Down For a Schnitzel und Grüner Veltliner eventually segued to Avi Rosenzweig’s marital aid wholesalers and touchless climaxing.
LOL
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden:
Sometimes ya gotta laugh and have a go at it. Too much seriousness on the comment boards howzit go ‘Makes Jack a dull boy’ lolll
Too much wooden-faced seriousness, I should have said lolll
Come to think of it, TOO should have one party thread where those inclined can get together for a brew, a few laughs and relax for awhile from all the saving of the White race :) Should be by Invitation Only too. No wooden-faced ones taking notes lolll
@blue rose:
Killing other people is not in our natural instinct, unless we are personally threatened or our family is threatend. war takes “self preservation” to such extremes that brainwashed soldiers will kill children 10,000 miles from away from their own families…Its a case of too much Natural Law becoming un-natural. Nature wants us to protect our family, not shoot everyone who knocks at the door
to Blue Rose 1:45 Background: On August 23, 1939, Molotov of Soviet Russia and Ribbentrop of Nazi Germany concluded a non-aggression pact. To this pact was appended a SECRET codicil that those two powers would carve up Europe, with Estonia and Latvia taken by Soviets and, initially, Lithuania taken by Germany. Some carving was planned also of Bessarabia and Bukovina. Later, Lithuania also was given to the Soviets. On 17 June 1940 Soviet forces rolled into Riga. The following 379 days, known in Latvia as ‘the year of horror’ consisted of jailing and torture, murder, and deportations mainly of the intelligentsia, clergy, government officials, and the military. The president was arrested. To this day, his gravesite is not known, but is thought to be in Turkmenistan. On June 14, 1941, a large number of Latvians (about 15000, I believe), targeting the educated, the relatively prosperous, the clergy, and the home guard and their families, including bedridden old people and infants, were deported. The men were separated and sent to concentration camps (the Gulag that Solzhenitsyn described), the women and children mainly to dirt poor Siberian villages, with no provision for basics necessary for survival. The mode of transport was by cattle car, and the trip lasted three to four weeks. Infants who died in transit were pitched out of the train, and, in one case, probably thrown into the locomotive’s firebox (old fashioned trains back then). OK. Not a scene that would make the Latvians affectionate towards their invaders. Towards the end of June, 1941, the Wehrmacht (German army) entered Latvia, pushing the Red army east into Russia proper. One occupation (Soviet) was replaced by a second occupation (Nazi). It is ironic that Latvians had lived from about 1200 AD until 1905 AD under German baronial rule and had always disliked Germans, but one year under the Soviets had apparently been such that they received the German soldiers as liberators. The war initially went well for the Germans. In 1942/1943, it became apparent that they might lose. The Latvian Legion was formed in 1943 by command from Nazi leadership, evasion punishable by death. Some legionnaires volunteered. The volunteers were primarily those whose families had been executed, tortured, or deported by Soviets during ‘the year of horror’. Most, however, were forcibly conscripted, despite the fact that international law forbids conscription into the occupant’s armed forces of men of the occupied territory. Most were young men ranging from 18 to 25 years of age. They were a part of the German front line forces. When Germany lost the war, the surviving Latvian legionnaires in Soviet captivity were sent to the Gulag, where conditions were such that most of them died. Some went into the impenetrable forests as partisans, believing that the western Allies would not abandon Latvia to Stalin. Those who fell into American/British/French hands went to POW camps. It was in one of these camps that their leadership decided to form a mutual aid organization and to commemorate their fallen friends on 16 March. Latvia regained its independence in the early 1990′s. Each year, on 16 March, these men, now in their eighties and nineties, hold a memorial church service followed by a procession from the main church in Riga to the Freedom Monument. That is all it is. No Nazis. No rebirth of Nazism. The huge problem is that westerners do not know the history of that era very well. The huge problem is that certain forces would love to portray this commemorative event, which is very emotionally important to these old soldiers, as…drum rolllllll…REBIRTH Of NAZISM!!! It’s pretty much bullshit, but how is an ordinary American to know? I’ll give you three guesses as to who wants to wave around Gitler and scare the children…
@Solly:
I’ll give you three guesses as to who wants to wave around Gitler and scare the children…
Ah. I didn’t think of that. The Jews. Thanks.
Rose, the whole shebang reminds me of a sad/funny joke I once heard. There once lived a guy who had just barely avoided being run over and killed by a steam- powered locomotive. For the rest of his life he went around smashing whistling teapots, saying that these monsters had to be killed while very young. After a while, most of his friends would hide their teapots before his visits. Some of his friends stopped inviting him altogether.
@Solly:
hehe that was cute :)
“It saddens me to see a great nation such as yours reduced to being the ‘tail’ on the Jewish dog. That is why it is so important to make a start with the money. From here on, don’t give them a penny. Remember, when people say ‘The Jews have a lot of money’, it’s YOUR money they’re talking about’!!! ”
Excellent point, Ellin. In fact, this last quote of yours should become a meme.
And for what it’s worth, I like having you around. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear, but it’s the only way people are going to have a hope of waking up and actually doing something about the problem.
I like your suggestion for making a list of non-Jewish owned businesses and services and circulating it.
You’re not an optimist but at least you’ve come up with a strategy, which to me is better than the thumb-twiddling and “the idea is good in theory BUT …” hesitancy one sees a lot of nowadays. At the moment theories are all we have, so we have nothing to lose by at least trying to turn them into practice.
@ Solly
I find it peculiar that Israel wouldn’t throw a predictable hissy fit over ‘Neo-Nazi marches’ annually held in Riga, followed by the usual recalling of the ambassador.
When Team Yitzhak performed that routine in response to the late Jörg Haider’s much milder cracks about the ‘East Coast mafia’.
Other than some nasal sounds emanating from the gallant lamp shade survivor Foxman, was there any Judaic reaction ?
hehe this is cute. I got the corned beef, cabbage and potatoes going…
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Green beer & Irish charm take over Moscow for St Patrick’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs12xWLrVBA&feature=uploademail
@Thea: Greece is the tail on the dog of Europe. It’s utter incompetence, is now being blamed on the Germans.
To Jarvis Dingle-Daden March 17, 3:53 I am not aware of any official censure from the state of Israel. Efraim Zuroff of the Wiesenthal Center in LA was there, counterprotesting with a small group. There were people dressed in striped mock prison garb standing by mock gallows and holding placards of Nazi atrocities. The other side was holding placards of Communist atrocities. Zhdanoka (Tatyana???), actually a (Jewish) representative to the European Union from Latvia almost created an incident at the Freedom Monument, but was superbly professionally led away from the eye of the storm by a young Russian cop (a regular Ilya Kuryakin, remember him?). Zuroff, Zhdanoka, and the other counter protesters appear to be conflating the Latvian Legion with those who committed antiJewish atrocities. The Latvian Legion was formed in 1943 (I think in June) and was a front line military force. The antiJewish atrocities were in 1941/1942 and were perpetrated by groups other than armed forces regulars. I am sure Zuroff and Zhdanoka have been informed of this incongruity, but that does not seem to influence their behavior. There is PTSD and there is the PreTraumatic Stress Disorder that Gilad Atzmon describes. I sympathize, but when PreTSD starts depriving OTHER people of their freedoms, I think we should say ‘no’.