Bill Kristol and Jeremy Ben-Ami on Israel

Philip Weiss has a nice column on the debate between Bill Kristol and Jeremy Ben-Ami of J Street held at a synagogue in New York (“Bill Kristol celebrates Republican Party purge of ‘old fashioned Arabists’ Scowcroft, Baker and Bush I.”) The headline reflects Kristol’s power in the Republican Party—openly saying that the neocons purged those who were not sufficiently aware that the capital of the United States is Tel Aviv, to paraphrase Russell Kirk.

It’s nice of Kristol to acknowledge this—it reflects a well-deserved sense of invulnerability. What’s next? Acknowledging the indispensable neocon role of in promoting the war with Iraq?

But we have known about the purging of traditional conservatives from the GOP for a long time. Sam Francis’s statement from 2004 says it all:

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There are countless stories of how neoconservatives have succeeded in entering conservative institutions, forcing out or demoting traditional conservatives, and changing the positions and philosophy of such institutions in neoconservative directions.… Writers like M. E. Bradford, Joseph Sobran, Pat Buchanan [whose article on the purge is here], and Russell Kirk, and institutions like Chronicles, the Rockford Institute, the Philadelphia Society, and the Intercollegiate Studies Institute have been among the most respected and distinguished names in American conservatism. The dedication of their neoconservative enemies to driving them out of the movement they have taken over and demonizing them as marginal and dangerous figures has no legitimate basis in reality. It is clear evidence of the ulterior aspirations of those behind neoconservatism to dominate and subvert American  conservatism from its original purposes and agenda and turn it to other purposes.… What neoconservatives really dislike about their “allies” among traditional conservatives is simply the fact that the conservatives are conservatives at all—that they support “this notion of a Christian civilization,” as Midge Decter put it, that they oppose mass immigration, that they criticize Martin Luther King and reject the racial dispossession of white Western culture, that they support or approve of Joe McCarthy, that they entertain doubts or strong disagreement over American foreign policy in the Middle East, that they oppose reckless involvement in foreign wars and foreign entanglements, and that, in company with the Founding Fathers of the United States, they reject the concept of a pure democracy and the belief that the United States is or should evolve toward it. (Sam Francis [2004]. “The neoconservative subversion.” In B. Nelson (ed.), “Neoconservatism.” Occasional Papers of the Conservative Citizens’ Foundation, Issue Number Six, 6–12. St. Louis: Conservative Citizens’ Foundation. Quoted here, p. 26)

It’s really a debate between American Jews who think of themselves as trying to save Israel from itself, and American Jews who will support Israel no matter what. Ben-Ami is saying the same thing Mearsheimer and Walt have said—that current Israeli policies are bad for Israel long term. (Ben-Ami would not credit M & W for this; Weiss notes that Ben-Ami “is the same man who when Walt and Mearsheimer wrote about the Israel lobby’s hammerlock on US policymaking in the Middle East, said it smacked of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

Ben-Ami is afraid that Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians is unsustainable given international pressure. And he worries that support for Israel is ultimately fragile since the power of the lobby stems mainly from US politicians motivated by fear rather than from the belief that all-out support for Israel is in US interests.

Kristol, on the other hand, thinks that “the status quo is sustainable for another 45 or 60 years.”

I am inclined to agree with Kristol. Americans of all stripes, especially Whites, are getting used to censoring themselves on a whole host of issues—Israel, Jewish influence, and virtually anything touching on diversity. Whereas even the most trivial sin against diversity is severely punished, a US Congressman can advocate permanent second-class status for the Palestinians in the mainstream media.  I don’t see any end to the craven support given Israel by the vast majority of US politicians. Fear works. The Israel Lobby has shown over and over again that it’s quite capable of enforcing its will on Congress and the president.

Behind the fear is all the money that automatically flows to the opponents of any politician who doesn’t toe the line.

[Ben-Ami and the moderator] could have asked Kristol about how he derives his power— how he buys a full-page ad in the Times to say that Obama whom he agrees with is using Israel as a punching bag. No one mentioned hedge funder Daniel Loeb, who funds the Emergency Committee for Israel.

Weiss could have mentioned David Kovnar, another hedge funder who “over two decades, has underwritten the infrastructure the neocons have used to achieve their current prominence.” And a whole lot of others. Ultimately, it’s all about Jewish money.

Kristol also doubtlessly believes that Israel is militarily invulnerable, and it would be difficult to argue the point. Israel is the preeminent military power in the region, and the US has pledged to ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors. (A bill before Congress now promises to enhance this pledge.)

Of course, continuing its aggressive, expansionist policies means that Israel will continue to be an international pariah. But Israel is quite accustomed to that role at this point, and the lobby has a long and successful track record in dealing with the fallout from charges such as “Zionism is racism,” at least in the West (which is all that really matters).

As we have stressed here several times, the extremists are in charge in Israel and there is no going back. Ben-Ami is kidding himself if he thinks that humanitarian arguments or even arguments phrased in terms of Israeli survival are going to persuade the Israeli right to change course on settlements. It’s not going to happen. And with the demographic power of the religious and ethnonationalist right, these trends will only get stronger in the future.

Finally, Weiss writes that

as for the war that Bill Kristol pushed, the Iraq war, no one was so impolite as to bring that up, let alone Kristol’s counsel to George W. Bush to remove Saddam Hussein because “Israel’s fight against terrorism is our fight.”

In the Weiss piece, Kristol complains about the New York Times and NPR as enemies of Israel. But neither would ever breathe a word about the simple fact that the war in Iraq never would have happened without the Jewish neocons who falsified intelligence reports on WMD and created the image of Iraq as bent on destroying the US: ”Israel’s fight against terrorism is our fight,” as Kristol phrased it.

That is yet another huge display of Jewish power. And we already know what would happen if a mainstream media outlet strayed off the reservation by charging the neocons with responsibility for the Iraq war: Charges of “anti-Semitism” by the ADL and attempts to ruin careers. (The ADL labeled such charges “a canard that America’s going to war has little to do with disarming Saddam, but everything to do with Jews, the ‘Jewish lobby’ [notice that 'the Jewish Lobby' is in quotes; the ADL is implying that it doesn't really exist] and the hawkish Jewish members of the Bush administration who, according to this chorus, will favor any war that benefits Israel. Such charges are “reminiscent of age-old, anti-Semitic canards about a Jewish conspiracy to control and manipulate government’  (see here, pp. 15-16).

As so often these days, the truth lives on the Internet. But even there, you  better be bullet-proof if you want to talk about it.

In an ideal world, Bill Kristol would be tried for treason as a war criminal. In the real world, Weiss correctly calls him a “Republican Party boss” who has also taken it upon himself to “enforce a pro-Israel line inside the Democratic Party.”

I realize I am buying into a canard, but if you are not concerned about Jewish power in America, you are not paying attention.

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131 Comments to "Bill Kristol and Jeremy Ben-Ami on Israel"

  1. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 30, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Interesting post. Your statement, however, that “Israel will continue to be an international pariah,” may be based on a doubtful premise. To wit: How are Israel and Israelis in any meaningful way ostracized by the international community?

    One is struck by the manner in which Israel has mobilized the entire “international community” into a confrontation with Iran on nuclear energy, in spite of the fact that Israel itself refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (and is hardly pressured to do so at all). One is also struck by the way that Israelis seems to travel and take up residence freely from country to country, with many nations extending to them the benefits of dual citizenship.

    This is not the condition of an international pariah. Those who wish to change Zionists’ behavior cannot yet rule out that forcing Zionists to internalize the costs of their own behavior could be effective. But to date, there are almost not significant such costs to speak of.

  2. anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
    May 30, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Who the hell “died” and made israel “boss” over what a sovereign country can possess. israel has over 300 nukes, does not belong to the IAEA and has “no room to talk”. Our “zionist supremacist masters” will have us involved in another useless war for their gratification. The best thing that could happen would be for the middle east to destroy itself. I have no use for either zionist jew nor muslim. . .a pox on both of them. We need to declare AIPAC, ADL, $PLC, ACLU and CAIR terrorist organizations,prosecute their officials, freeze and confiscate their assets and remove them from the USA. . . .It is no secret that our foreign policy is being run by “dual nationality israelis” and is doing what is “best” for israel–NOT the USA. Dual-citizenship must also be banned. . .send the duplicitous jews and muslims packing . . .GET OUT of MY country . . .

  3. anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
    May 30, 2012 - 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Much of jewish “success” is NOT due to IQ, but a strong social structure that values cultural and social insularity. In short, jews look out for each other.
    These traits are admirable in EVERY society; the social bonding in other cultures is not as strong (and in some cases is looked upon negatively) and is somewhat discouraged by official “government policies”.
    Look at our “civil rights (for some)” laws and government agencies that have done nothing more than to destroy one of humankind’s basic rights–freedom of association . . . Imagine if whites were permitted to form social bonds as strong as those of jewish society. We CAN form those bonds, however, clandestinely . . .

  4. May 30, 2012 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    @anarchyst:

    its a little bit bit of both. Social evolutionary strategy and IQ.

    And as KMac reveals, higher and higher IQ with each passing generation is part of this social strategy.

  5. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    May 30, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    This article basically reconfirms the fact that the Anglosphere in general, and America in particular, has been hijacked by Jewry, and turned into a fully functioning, Jewish directed Golem.

  6. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    May 30, 2012 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I had a family member tell me that he was worried that israel was all alone in the Middle East. I told him that I was glad America is tired of fighting over there. I wonder if he noticed that I put my hands in my pocket when the “national anthem” is played and all the other people put their hands on their heart during a Memorial Day tribute. White people putting their hands on their hearts praising the very government which hates and oppresses them I do not understand. White men dying for the US government and our Israeli masters is a travesty against nature, something historians will note someday.
    When people say how could all those Germans be fooled into war, I ask them,”How could we be talked into killing other white men who didn’t even want to fight us?”

  7. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    May 31, 2012 - 2:41 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: You distinguish yourself by not submitting to groupthink. I admire that.

  8. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    May 31, 2012 - 3:38 am | Permalink

    So the new (read: Judaic) guard of zio-con internationalists succeeded in muscling out of the GOP big timers club the old (read: Methodist and such minor Christian sects) Mohammedan-friendly guard of internationalists.
    Apparently any republican functionary who isn’t on record as being 110% pro-Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema can now expect to have ‘Arabist’ stamped on his forehead.
    The Bush clan has got decades of fruitful $$$$$ interaction with various Wahhabi dystopias lining the western coast of the Persian Gulf. Clearly not something the zio-cons were going to either forget, or forgive, or take lightly.
    Ultimately, though, neither one of these scuzzballs could give a rat’s arse about the plight of a white male struggling to sustain a family of 4 in some small Mid-Western town.

  9. J. De Maistre's Gravatar J. De Maistre
    May 31, 2012 - 4:00 am | Permalink

    Why do they use this weird word “canard” so much, all the time? I would imagine that if one were to systematically tell a lie, it would be practical to repeat a few very standard lines and words, so that the lie doesn’t become confused and mixed up. And to select a strange word that sticks out a bit, would also help the memory, so as to keep a straight line in the process of lying and not deviate.

  10. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    May 31, 2012 - 4:44 am | Permalink

    “Ben-Ami is kidding himself if he thinks that humanitarian arguments or even arguments phrased in terms of Israeli survival are going to persuade the Israeli right to change course on settlements.”
    I somehow doubt that is really his agenda. He is helping ‘World Israel’ though by maintaining the ‘Good jews and bad jews’ dichotomy… which helps diffuse the full spotlight.
    I suspect they are growing concerned by the rise in internet/non msn chatter which is their major worry and why they even have to bring the ‘Jewish/Israel’ issue to a mainstream venue. The more ‘talk’ that happens over the internet, the more chance to create a true ‘division’ in their ranks… and then real opportunities arise.

  11. May 31, 2012 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    Nonsense! Everyone KNOWS that the biggest threat to America is yet another resurgence of gun-toting, home-schooling, fluoride-shunning Nazis! We must be ever vigilant against these eternal threats to Diversity! The Ed Show on MSNBC told me so!

  12. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    @James O’Meara:
    Least we forget how the Jews have suffered, David Frum reminds us that Abe Foxman was saved by a Polish nanny, who committed the horrible crime of raising him as her own, which included baptism. He joined his parents (who miraculously survived) and came to America. He has repaid these debts by his relentless assault on Christians and America ever since. What an admirable people!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/30/poland-insult.html

  13. Tommyboy's Gravatar Tommyboy
    May 31, 2012 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    As you say, ‘Ultimately, it’s all about Jewish money.’ With the feral reserve banking system, The Jews control everything. In the big picture, Iraq was first in the long term plan to pacify the mid-East, and as anyone with eyes to see can observe, they are almost there. Wild card is Russia; we shall see…

  14. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    May 31, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    @Anonymous

    One is also struck by the way that Israelis seems to travel and take up residence freely from country to country, with many nations extending to them the benefits of dual citizenship.

    Yet the “dual loyalty” charge is considered a “canard?” Although “single loyalty” is probably more accurate, considering the entire organized Jewish community is demanding the release of convicted spy and traitor Jonathan Pollard. Are there any “moderate Jews” distancing themselves from the radical pro-treason Jewish lobby?

    In an ideal world, Bill Kristol would be tried for treason as a war criminal.

    Rumor has it Romney is in meetings with Newt Gingrich’s Israeli handler Shel Adelson. The words “treason” and “disloyalty” need to be used more often to describe these Zionist Jews, otherwise the entire Jewish community should lose their US citizenship and be seen as simply foreign legal residents.

  15. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    May 31, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    As for purging the Republican Arabists, from a previous comment:

    The last President to resist Jewish power was George H. W. Bush. He was defeated by a media campaign attacking his economic policies and allowing a third party candidate on the air for the first time ever, thus splitting his vote and giving it to Clinton who promptly filled up his cabinet with Jews and blacks.

    When Bush Jr. ran he openly embraced the Zionist Jews and their evangelical golem while cold-sholdering the main line Arabist faction. The abject failure of his son’s presidency has caused a reevaluation of Sr.’s political realism and moderation.

  16. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    May 31, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    Ex American Senator says strong stuff on Israeli control of congress (about a year ago after Netanyahu speech) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnq2AXDyry8

  17. May 31, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @J. De Maistre: Well, we can use it, too. I’m sure you’ve heard that old canard about the Germans gassing Jews in WWII.

    Then there’s that old canard that the Jews don’t control the media and the news.

    Plenty of canards about the Jews. Another canard is that the Jews are a persecuted people. We could go on all day.

    But it’s not a canard to say that Jews are clever, and clever in the use of words to control thought and established cultural taboos on certain kinds of discussions.

  18. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 31, 2012 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    A bill before Congress now promises to enhance this pledge.

    Professor M.:

    Phil Giraldi does the full monte on the bill. Seat yourself before reading. The bill is scarier by far even than the picture of golem Cantor!

    @J. De Maistre: Don’t you think that such things are called canards because you can hear them quacking from miles off?

  19. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 1:30 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Is it my imagination or is there a correlation between the ever increasing ease of divorce and the pledges of eternal loyalty to Israel?

  20. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 31, 2012 - 1:32 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Trenchant’s right of course, though I am happy to say I’m not in the least surprised by your guts and your character. Did you know that several people have been beaten up at Yankee Stadium and the Mets’ ballpark (whatever it’s now called … non-Shea Stadium?) because they didn’t stand for the singing of that horrid Oiving Boilin song at the seventh-inning stretch? Then, as a further irony, the dirty Osama lovers got arrested whilst their attackers walked free.

    What a country!

    “next to of course god america i
    love you land of the pilgrims’ and so forth oh
    say can you see by the dawn’s early my
    country ’tis of centuries come and go
    and are no more what of it we should worry
    in every language even deafanddumb
    thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
    by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
    why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
    iful than these heroic happy dead
    who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
    they did not stop to think they died instead
    then shall the voice of liberty be mute?”

    He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water.

  21. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 31, 2012 - 1:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: It’s not your imagination, Alice.

    Feel free to ask me a tougher question next time. (Please, though, not “why is the sky blue?”)

  22. The Admiral On Horseback's Gravatar The Admiral On Horseback
    May 31, 2012 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: As an off topic note, I’d like to thank you for your advice on how to approach operas. I have listened to several Wagner operas (and several performances) over the last month. Having been hospitalized (and afterwards doing a couple or more hours of boring therapy every day, with the opportunity to listen to music and read the libretto in the meantime) helped a lot, but I might never have had listened to operas without the thread on the other article. So, thanks a lot!

  23. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    May 31, 2012 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

    @The Admiral On Horseback: You’re very, very welcome. I’m happy you got out of the hospital in one piece, and I hope the mending process will make you 100 percent well again.

    I can’t imagine my life without music, by which I mean I couldn’t begin to imagine how empty I would feel without it. As you have been seeing, when an artist with the vast imagination and power of synthesis of Wagner uses deeply inspired music to further enrich an already meaningful tale, the imaginative and appreciative dimensions within you that are tapped through contact with the work become psychic territory that, once conquered, can never be lost to you.

  24. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    May 31, 2012 - 2:59 pm | Permalink

    J. William Fulbright, Richard Nixon and more recently Jim Traficant talked about Jewish domination of media, finance and politics.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVLnaHmMjE&feature=related

  25. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 3:08 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I believe I’ll take you up on that offer. As I read various threads and hear the voices calling us to emulate rather than scorn the Tribe, I am am struck with such a profound sense of loss. On a superficial level I understand their point, on another I begin to fear that we have so failed these young people that we no longer share anything beyond DNA. I am at a lost for the correct words. What is it we failed to do and how did it come apart? I do not remember being taught to value pride in ourselves and our ways in any formal way. I do not remember anyone sitting me down and drumming “death before dishonor” into my head although there was many admonitions regarding ladylike and unladylike behavior. We simply absorbed some things. What is it we have lost?

  26. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    May 31, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White:

    it’d be useful if someone made a collection of high profile figures to have spoken against the takeover/destruction of the American People.

  27. George Herouvis's Gravatar George Herouvis
    May 31, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    The ignorants among us can be led from the cave of flickering shadows; but, we must be gentle with our revelation of the truth: lest we frighten the poor souls with the enlightenment.

  28. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Back in the eighties Congressman Paul Findley wrote a book calling the lobby out. They Dare to Speak Out

  29. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Is there any hope for the position that I may bless my children without enabling evil behavior? I some times fear that we are afraid, as a people, to question conventional wisdom not because we are afraid of the Jews, but because we are afraid to face the reality we have created. Has all of America become a foolish mother who simply will not see that her child is in mortal danger by his own choice?

  30. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    May 31, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink
  31. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Is there any hope for the position that I may bless my children without enabling evil behavior?

    I do not understand the meaning of this sentence.

  32. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2012 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I some times fear that we are afraid, as a people, to question conventional wisdom not because we are afraid of the Jews, but because we are afraid to face the reality we have created. Has all of America become a foolish mother who simply will not see that her child is in mortal danger by his own choice?

    Alice Teller, I beseech you to please elaborate upon what you have written here. I think I understand some of it but not all. It seems that it could be very important.

    If others have similar thoughts to Alice’s, please contribute.

  33. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I begin to fear that we have so failed these young people that we no longer share anything beyond DNA. I am at a lost for the correct words. What is it we failed to do and how did it come apart?

    Please will somebody speak to this.

  34. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 8:13 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous: This was a reference to a Bible quote Genesis 12:3

    And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    This is a reference to Israel than many use to justify any and all cooperation with Zionism. It seems to me that as Christians (my question was to Vlad regarding his fellow Church members) we are expected to use our intelligence, to evaluate not only the intentions but also the actual consequences of our actions.

  35. mike's Gravatar mike
    May 31, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Though I like this site, for its civility in discussion. (no insults, profanity, or slanging allowed) And though I admire professor Mac Donald, for his heroic stand, I find myself, jaded, in general, with the pro-White, internet talking-shop, for it solves nothing. (and never shall)
    This, then, is my final statement and goodbye to you all: though Western civilization will inevitably fall, the White race WILL survive; it WON’T be destroyed or die out. The White racial spirit is just too ancient and too strong; today’s circumstances are a mere blip. Whether you believe in God’s creation, or Darwin’s evolution, the fact remains that the White race is the pinnacle of life on Earth.

  36. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous:
    Did I touched a nerve? I barely know what I mean myself, except that as a people we seem dug into refusing to look at the reality around us. None of the multiple answers we have been offered are wrong, but all seem insufficient. If you will forgive a decent into the personal, I know lots of women who would never change places with their daughters, indeed, who pity them for the complications of their lives, yet continue to act as though all of the changes wrought by feminism are great.

    I know many women who seem to be genuinely bewildered at their plight, facing fifty, no savings or assets, with a divorce or two behind them, no children or children who are justifiably angry and impoverished by the parents’ choices, who appear totally unaware that they societal or personal choices played any part in their plight. I know parents who are growing old, resigned to a sadness that dare not speak its name, because they have no grandchildren. We are surrounded by people who are unwilling or unable to acknowledge the reality we see all around us. Denial seems an inadequate word to describe this phenomena. I hope others will weight in.

  37. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 31, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    White people putting their hands on their hearts praising the very government which hates and oppresses them I do not understand. White men dying for the US government and our Israeli masters is a travesty against nature, something historians will note someday.

    I understand what you mean, but the White people who are signaling patriotism are good people. In almost every country and in every time period, those who are patriotic, as a group, are better than those who are not.

    I think it is good to point out to White people that they are dying and making sacrifices for a system that often doesn’t have their interests at heart. However, I believe it is totally unrealistic to expect Whites to suddenly divorce themselves from their country and government – a nation and government which has done good things for Whites in the past, and on a more limited basis, still actually does a few good things for them.

    It will take some time for Whites to realize that the current system is hostile to them. And conservatives especially, tend to be very loyal … to a fault, as they say. Just remember, what those Whites need is education and to have basic facts pointed out to them. They aren’t bad people.

  38. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    My apologies, spell check is a great evil for bad typists, if is not highlighted I don’t catch it.

    That should read descent not decent and ‘ unaware that either societal or personal ‘

  39. celtthedog's Gravatar celtthedog
    May 31, 2012 - 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Re: Kristol, on the other hand, thinks that “the status quo is sustainable for another 45 or 60 years.” I am inclined to agree with Kristol.

    I’m not. The US is simply running out of money and is not going to be able to underwrite Israel for anything like that period of time.
    As for the Muslim world, they are never going to accept Israel’s existence and those uprisings taking place across the region are likely to lead to populist govts that will ultimately take action against the Zionists.

    Events in the Middle East are increasingly moving out of the control of the US.

    Which will actually be good for the US…

    …for Israel, not so much.

  40. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 31, 2012 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    As I read various threads and hear the voices calling us to emulate rather than scorn the Tribe

    Just curious, because I have heard this sentiment before – what is meant by “emulating the Tribe”? I am afraid that too often people associate any successful, logical, forceful strategy with “acting like the Tribe”. And even if we mean the more aggressive techniques, I can’t see that Jews have any monopoly on them. The Chinese, Japanese, Africans, Native Americans, Indians, and Aztecs have all engaged in bloody exploitative behavior for thousands of years. I am not condoning every action they took, but it is hardly unique to Jews or anyone else.

    Groups have routinely come in conflict in the past. Sometimes nature put them in kill-or-be-killed situation. What else is a person to do? Sing hymns while they slowly die? Am I to morally condemn pioneers who chose to live?

    • anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
      May 31, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

      You will find that according to the “tribe’s” own writings, we are merely “tolerated” and exist only for the advancement of the “tribe”. Look up the passages in the Talmud that accord the level of “livestock” to the status of the “goyim”.
      The “tribe” is expert at infecting their country of residence, considering themselves members of the “tribe” first and above any national allegiance.
      All one has to do is look at the level of support for the so-called “civil rights (for some) laws as they were in the forefront of the “civil rights (for some)” movement of the 1950s and 1960s, even travelling down south to cause trouble. Back further, the “invention” of communism can be ascribed to the “tribe”. It is no wonder that many eastern European people sided with the Nazis, preferring life under German control to that of their communist “tribe” commissars. Anything was better than being under the bootheel of these “tribeal” overlords

  41. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 31, 2012 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I know parents who are growing old, resigned to a sadness that dare not speak its name, because they have no grandchildren.

    Could it be that they should have understood that biology, indeed DNA, were important, after all? At the heart of their misery, don’t we find what some might disparagingly call a “crude, reductionist” reality; that they are sad because their genetic line is coming to an end?

  42. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Indeed not. As you say the very ancestors we should honor have all faced and mastered terrible opponents. I truly struggle to express the genuine differences between us. It is not merely a question of strategy or resolution, in is a determination to face life on our own terms, to set our own values and terms of honor. I fear that many have fallen wholeheartedly for the complete commercialization of everything in life. It seems to me that we have forgotten the concept of enough, of a good life that provides sufficient power to keep others from dominating us without seeking to dominate them. I want to win, but not at any cost. We must find a way to win on our own terms, by our own definitions and at a price we consent to pay. I don’t want to live a Jewish life either in a hovel or a penthouse.

  43. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Yes it is that, but it also the end of much of the joy that old age has to offer, of much of the richness and maturity that parenthood brings. It is the hope of seeing adult children have all the richness of a complete life and many other things. My chief interest is not that they are sad, but they dare not say so.

    The news had photos of Jane Fonda “still sexy at 74′. Aside from the monstrous nature of the surgeries one must undergo to approximate such an illusion, who declared that we must be sexy from cradle to grave. One hopes, of course, not to offend the eye, I have no desire to by twenty again, why must I imitate one, hopelessly, til I die? We must reclaim all of our lives, not continue to follow dictates that will never fulfill us. Forgive me if I seem to be wandering, but it pops up in every area of life. We are all trying to live lies. Why?

  44. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    May 31, 2012 - 9:41 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    a determination to face life on our own terms, to set our own values and terms of honor

    Yes, well put. Part of living a good life is being able to live on your own terms. In truth, most of us feel as if we were, in effect, a subject people, no longer controlling our own fate. And we all know there is a lot of truth to that feeling.

    60 years ago in a small or medium town in America, I imagine most White people felt efficacious in their own social and political worlds. They were actually making decisions that mattered. If a porn shop wanted to set up shop on Main street, well, they would make sure it didn’t happen.

    It’s true; we are no longer allowed to have any values that we assert in the social or political realm. We are more or less allowed to be commercial agents without too much hassle, but everything else must be kept in the most private of spheres, or it comes under persecution from the government or the media.

    Some of this appears to be a loss of social capital, a loss of civic participation, and neighborliness. We no longer have strong, cohesive civic organizations that operate from the ground up. Social scientists have found, much to their chagrin, that growing ethnic diversity always leads to less social capital, less public altruism, less concern for the common good.

  45. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Dear God, yes, you touch a nerve. Some of your words nearly bring tears to my eyes. The familiarity and sadness.

    It has just occurred to me that even here in this forum, among people who have some awareness, it is unusual to read the kinds of things you have written. Maybe it would be productive and helpful to share these feelings, as an experiment with engaging with something besides anger and frustration and planning and exhortations. Perhaps it would be healthy first to discuss where the anger and frustration is actually coming from. That might enable us all to be more articulate spokespersons, confidantes, supporters, leaders. And perhaps it is just the thing that can make a pro-American movement more sympathetic and appealing. Just a thought. I really think this could be a therapeutic, and perhaps even productive, direction to go in.

    At risk of bogging these searching expressions down into minutiae, I must say that almost every sentence left me wanting more explanation. Here is what I mean, and you can take it or leave it, but consider it a sharing of your life experience…

    I barely know what I mean myself, except that as a people we seem dug into refusing to look at the reality around us.

    What reality are you referring to? Can you give some examples where you have seen this refusal to look at reality?

    None of the multiple answers we have been offered are wrong, but all seem insufficient.

    What answers have we been given? They are insufficient for what?

    If you will forgive a decent into the personal, I know lots of women who would never change places with their daughters, indeed, who pity them for the complications of their lives, yet continue to act as though all of the changes wrought by feminism are great.

    Do women you know actually say they pity there daughters and wouldn’t change places with them?

    I know many women who seem to be genuinely bewildered at their plight, facing fifty, no savings or assets, with a divorce or two behind them, no children or children who are justifiably angry and impoverished by the parents’ choices,

    About what choices of their parents are they justifiably angry?

    who appear totally unaware that they societal or personal choices played any part in their plight.

    This is to blame these parents–or society–for their plight? Why is it a plight?

    I know parents who are growing old, resigned to a sadness that dare not speak its name, because they have no grandchildren.

    Do they talk about this?

    We are surrounded by people who are unwilling or unable to acknowledge the reality we see all around us.

    What aspects of reality should be acknowledged.

  46. Will Fredericks's Gravatar Will Fredericks
    May 31, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    @Vlad Writes: White people putting their hands on their hearts praising the very government which hates and oppresses them I do not understand. White men dying for the US government and our Israeli masters is a travesty against nature, something historians will note someday.

    I understand what you mean, but the White people who are signaling patriotism are good people. In almost every country and in every time period, those who are patriotic, as a group, are better than those who are not.

    I appreciate your words and your good sense, Jason. One thing I have noticed in this age of the internet is that a lot of people are not able to make a serious analysis of the deeper significance of relationships . One of these is the relationship of the US with Israel. Yes, it is terribly distorted and biased in favor of Israel. But it is a symptom not a disease. The problem per se is not the amount of resources we direct in the direction of the “shitty little country” or even of wars and political manipulations involving its immediate neighbors in the Middle East, (yes , I include Iraq). It is true these wars aren’t insignificant, but in my view they are only of trivial concern in relationship to the other problems this country faces. (financial, social, ethnic, sociological, spiritual, you name it).

    The reason the Jews and Middle East is significant is not therefore because of the threat our wrong policies cause us per se, but as a talisman for the loyalty of our ruling class on almost every issue involving our country of significance, especially as the interest of regular Americans as a whole conflict with that of Jewry (as it does).

    The Middle East is a symptom, not a disease, and those just randomly adopting any position or behavior in opposition to our Middle East policy (such as communist opposition to the American nation in general, even symbolic opposition like disrespect for our National Anthem)) aren’t any better or useful IMO than the Zionuts.

  47. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 31, 2012 - 10:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    P.S., Alice. I know so many people who aren’t doing well. It often feels that everything is disintegrating. But I am only still just waking up to that, to such a dim extent, that I question whether I am perceiving reality accurately, or whether I am what is screwed up.

  48. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous:
    I’ll give it a try.

    I barely know what I mean myself, except that as a people we seem dug into refusing to look at the reality around us.

    We all look around us and the truth is staring us in the face. Hugh segments of our population has bought into the notion that we can make life as we will it to be, and therefore threw out centuries of inherited wisdom. The evidence that we were wrong cannot be avoided yet we try to do so. How much longer will we pretend that hurting anyone’s feelings is the greatest evil? One need not rely on Biblical injunctions to think that homosexuality should not be encouraged, the new rates of incurable and antibiotic resistant STD’s should suffice. We will condemn someone to a lifetime of ill health rather than suggest that their actions are unwise.

    For countless centuries all cultures have shown great compassion for the barren woman, we alone, not only celebrate it, we often refuse women the right to acknowledge and mourn the loss.

    It seems to me the examples are everywhere you look.

  49. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    The question is, how much has been forced upon us and is irrevocable short of revolution, how much did we simply allow to slip away? What does it take to recover it?

  50. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    May 31, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @Anonymous:
    I know many women who pity young women today. Why wouldn’t we? It is heartbreaking to watch young women who are forced to pretend that they don’t mind leaving their six week old infant with virtual strangers and return to work. The sheer complexity of the demands on young mothers nearly guarantees that they will spend part of their time feeling inadequate. No matter how much feminists insist that the mommy wars are nonsense, they are, in fact, one of the pure expressions of the pain feminism has brought us that has not been silenced.

  51. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Well you said something earlier:

    I do not remember anyone sitting me down and drumming “death before dishonor” into my head … We simply absorbed some things. What is it we have lost?

    I suspect part of it was a failure to understand things in explicit terms. I think societies that hope for their culture to be passed on by some kind of osmosis, without ever directly understanding and communicating the basic principles, are in trouble.

    I also suspect there has been a tendency in Southern and some other White cultures, to downplay the intellect. Now, it is good not to turn things over to eggheads, but I remember growing up that kids who showed great intellectual promise, but little athletic ability, were scorned and often subject to abuse. Girls were not too terribly concerned about the nerd getting his face shoved in a toilet in 7th grade – indeed, more times than most, they found the abusers “dreamy”. I’ve always thought it was a very bad strategy to make long term enemies out of your smartest fraction; it has a way of coming back to bite you (I was not abused, luckily, but I lived in a state of chronic readiness for conflict, as I suspect many boys do during that time).

    So, I think part of it was not making things more explicit combined with making enemies of the people who could have provided intellectual firepower. But all that is just part of the answer.

  52. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    June 1, 2012 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Well you said something earlier:

    I do not remember anyone sitting me down and drumming “death before dishonor” into my head … We simply absorbed some things. What is it we have lost?

    I suspect part of it was a failure to understand things in explicit terms. I think societies that hope for their culture to be passed on by some kind of osmosis, without ever directly understanding and communicating the basic principles, are in trouble.

    Osmosis might work fine if younger generations aren’t subjected to strong messages directed at denigrating their own culture and coaxing them to despise themselves and their people.

  53. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 1:37 am | Permalink

    @Anonymous:

    Yes, osmosis might work if there was no competition out there for the hearts and minds of young people. But isn’t it a fatal flaw to leave yourself open to attack like that? When the inevitable charlatans come around, how are we to defend ourselves? Without explicit knowledge, all we can do is look on with exasperation and outrage, as our youth commit suicide.

  54. Antiyuppie's Gravatar Antiyuppie
    June 1, 2012 - 3:43 am | Permalink

    “Kristol, on the other hand, thinks that “the status quo is sustainable for another 45 or 60 years.” I am inclined to agree with Kristol.”

    I would disagree. US has become Israel’s (Jew’s) greatest instrument of power in today’s World. When the ex. prime minister of Malesia, Mahathir Mohamad, said that “Jews rule the World by proxy” (the proxy being the US) he was exactly right. By controlling the (still) most powerful nation on Earth, they control the World.
    However, there is a phenomenon called the “parasite paradox”. The stronger and more successful the parasite (Jew) is, the weaker the host (US). Ultimately the host dies. Therefore the “status quo” scenario is unsustainable because it is predicated on the US (their host and proxy) forever being the No. 1. I doubt there wil be a US in 45-60 years, let alone that it will still be a superpower.

  55. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    June 1, 2012 - 4:02 am | Permalink

    @Antiyuppie:
    If you think about it, their whole existence is based on the “parasite paradox”, hence their long history of “jumping-from-host-to-host”. They are conscious of it. They are already now making plans for their next host : China.
    Seen Jews marrying Chinese lately, such as Murdoch or Zuckerberg?

  56. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 4:21 am | Permalink

    @Antiyuppie:

    The US is a colossus. It still amazes me. We have $15 trillion a year economy, so from the standpoint of raw economics, we can give aid of $5 or $ 6 billion a year to Israel for the next thousand years. It won’t be a resource problem.

    I don’t see any other major new impediments to Israeli power over our foreign policy. They pretty much have a headlock on both parties. Sadly, most of the people who are really trying to block our support of Israel, are anti-White Liberals. So, I dunno.

    Going forward, if politics gets more racialized soon (pretty sure it will), it will be interesting to see how Jews handle the prospect of a more White and conservative GOP. They must maintain a cohort inside the GOP. Obviously, they have done this for a long time, but I wonder if there will be some increasing friction between the inherently cosmopolitan Jews, and the gun-toting Christian Whites, especially as the latter group becomes more vocal.

    But again, most anti-Israel people I have known, were really just anti-White. They hated Israel in exactly the same way, and for the same reasons, Leftists hate the memory of Pioneers and Settlers in the American West. Note, it was Madonna rattling on about the need to be “inclusive” in Israel concert recently (Jews, Palestinians, gays and straights all together – oh how glorious, she said).

    Maybe it would be productive to say to White Christians, look, Israel can maintain an ethic identity, why can’t we? After all, we’re paying for it over there.

  57. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    June 1, 2012 - 7:58 am | Permalink
  58. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 1, 2012 - 8:38 am | Permalink

    @Anonymous:
    You ask what realities should be acknowledged. How about the rather obvious differences between men and women? When I was very young, my brother was bigger, stronger, and faster than I. I demanded that my father make him slow down so that I could win. My mother corrected me. when I wailed that ‘it isn’t fair’ she agreed and pointed out that my brother would always exceed me in physical prowess and that I had better learn my own way of dealing with that reality, such as winning him over to my side as opposed to expecting daddy to level the field. Alternative Right has an interesting piece on the consequences of ignoring such sensible advise.

    http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/planet-of-the-bitches/

  59. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    June 1, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks

    But again, most anti-Israel people I have known, were really just anti-White.

    Odd, I had the exact opposite experiences, most pro-Israel people I have known were really just anti-White, the whole argument for Israel being Jews had to have a “safe place” to hide from all the evil “Nazi” White people. It’s obvious that most Jews have no intention of ever actually living in Israel.

    Maybe it would be productive to say to White Christians, look, Israel can maintain an ethic identity, why can’t we? After all, we’re paying for it over there.

    Sure, I can’t wait until the pro-Israel Jewish media lets someone on the air to make that point. I thought the post about the Menachem Rosensaft articles would have laid that vain hope to rest.

    I also suspect there has been a tendency in Southern and some other White cultures, to downplay the intellect. … I remember growing up that kids who showed great intellectual promise, but little athletic ability, were scorned and often subject to abuse. Girls were not too terribly concerned about the nerd getting his face shoved in a toilet in 7th grade

    Is that your actual experience from growing up in the South or is this something from a Philip Roth novel?

  60. June 1, 2012 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

    …more aggressive techniques, I can’t see that Jews have any monopoly on them. The Chinese, Japanese, Africans, Native Americans, Indians, and Aztecs have all engaged in bloody exploitative behavior for thousands of years…

    Apart from the ‘thousands of years’ absurd over-generalization, and the omission of Muslims invading India and no doubt Mongols etc, there’s a quantitative issue here. The deaths caused per head by Jews to non-Jews very likely make them the most lethal parasites who have ever existed. Do some approximate calculations.

  61. Bon, From the Land of Babble's Gravatar Bon, From the Land of Babble
    June 1, 2012 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    @anarchyst:

    Here is Mitt Romney’s Foreign Policy team:
    Dov Zakheim – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Robert Kagan – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Michael Chertoff – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eliot Cohen – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eric Edelman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    John Lehman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Evan Feigenbaum – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Aaron Friedberg – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Kent Lucken – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Kristen Silverberg – (Israeli Dual Ctizen)

    I believe Robert Kagan is the brother of Elena Kagan of SCOTUS.

    Bon

  62. mari's Gravatar mari
    June 1, 2012 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

    After WW2 many n jews claimed that the death camps and the rounding up of Jews was done by zionist leaders in cooperation with the Germans. They pointed out time and time again that it was the zionists who quickly took over leadership positions in Jewish communities and actively made up lists of Jews and their addresses then gave them to the Germans.

    Weissmandel and others claim that virtually every leader of the Jewish communities appointed by German occupation authorities was an ardent zionist who sent non communist zionist Jews off to the death camps.

    The Weissmandels are a dynastly of Rabbis. Grandfather
    Weissmandel denounced the zionists both during WW2 and afterwards for their role in turning over Jews to the Germans in return for help in creating Israel.

    Rabbi Weissmandel also proved the the zionist country was communist. The children turned over to the zionist
    orphanages were drilled and brought up communists. he cited one refugee camp in Ukraine where Bulgarian, Romonain etc had fled. The camp was run by zionists. The children and teens were purposely seperated from their parents and raised in an athiest, communist propaganda environment.

    He also claimed that it was the middle aged, old and “bourgeosie” Jews who were killed while strong healthy young people were allowed to “escape” to palestine.

    These websites will get you started. Rabbi Weissmandel wrote many books exposing the zionist German plans to create an athiest communist Jewish state in palestine.

    The books are available in some university libraries. Some of the books have simply disappeared over the years as zionists have removed them.

    The grandson, the present Rabbi Weissmandel is carrying on the work.

    Here are some websites if you are interested. You might be able to find some of the books in university libraries.

    Dovwww.weissmandl.org
    for …www.fantompowa.net/Flame/weissmandel_lublin.ht
    Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel, leader of the Working – Photographwww.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_ph.php?ModuleId=10005519…
    Onewww.israelversusjudaism.org/holocaust/chapter-1.cfmCached
    A Message Zionist Leaders Ignoredwww.giwersworld.org/holo/caveman.htmlCached
    Rabbi Michael Dov Holocaust …www.myspace.com/jewishfreedomfighters/photos/296512

    • anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
      June 1, 2012 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

      Yes, it’s true . . . zionists needed a way to “encourage” emigration to what was known as Palestine. What better way than to marginalize their jewish brethren “for the greater good” and the establishment of the state of Israel. Looking back through history, it is no secret that jews were behind most of the civil unrest in pre-war Germany and actually declared “war” on Germany in 1933.
      Please read “51 Questions and Answers–Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis” by author Lenni Brenner

  63. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    No smart ass, those are my actual experiences, in Southern and Southwestern states. But I don’t think it is unique to the South. If a male was intelligent and athletic, he was probably fine, but if he was intelligent, especially intellectual, and not very good at athletics, there was often a hostility toward him that was oddly tolerated by the teachers. I think this phenomenon is pretty wide spread.

    As to your experiences that most pro-Israel people are anti-White, I have not spent much time in NYC or any other area with heavy Jewish population, so that is quite possible. What I am saying is that among large populations of White Gentiles, the ones who are anti-Israel, are usually only so because it is some subset of their being anti-White; they are usually very Leftist. What do you want me to say? Those are my experiences. Where on earth do you find White Christians, of a remotely pro-White bent who are anti-Israel (or I should say just concerned with Israeli abuses)? I can’t find them except on a few chat boards. I would love to find more, and I try to bring issues up to Christian Zionists when I can.

    All my life, in my actual experience, the people who were most concerned with Palestinians were Jane Fonda types (let me make is very clear for your hothead types, I am for removing all aid to Israel, etc). The reason I mention this is, some of you go off rather unaware of the social/political landscape. I think this anti-American, anti-White Leftists have actually played into the hands of Israel. Many White Christian Americans, who were probably iffy on Israel, have now reacted against those people and embraced Israel.

  64. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    Look, Romney is going to win in November and most likely the GOP will have control of both houses. There must be an approach to challenging our current policy toward Israel that will appeal to normal, White Christians, who make up most of the GOP. Anything that took the glow off Israel would be helpful. But again, I get the impression you guys are pretty amazingly politically tone deaf.

  65. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 1, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Interesting angle, the alienation of our own intellectual elite. I would like to hear more of this. Is it unique to the south for people to put each other down using whatever strength they have. I am certain that male adolescent foolishness is not ours alone.

    You do put me in mind of documentary in which only white parents refuse to discuss race with their kids. I have always thought the real reason was to keep their kids safe. Have we paid mote than we knew?

    I know I am way off topic here, but the notion of Bill Kristol as charming set me off the edge. Does as studied lack of smarmyness now constitute charm?

  66. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I don’t know about Bill Kristol being charming. They also tell us how super smart he is all the time, yet I find no evidence of it.

  67. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 1, 2012 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Kristol, on the other hand, thinks that “the status quo is sustainable for another 45 or 60 years.”

    I am inclined to agree with Kristol

    It seems Kristol is substantially in agreement with Kevin MacDonald about the extent of Jewish power.

  68. mari's Gravatar mari
    June 1, 2012 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    The tribe is rallying for their beloved and exhalted leader.

    The Weekly Standard ^ | 6/1/12 | Daniel Halper
    The president is out of town tonight, spending the night alone at his home in Chicago after a day filled with six fundraisers. But his campaign in Washington, D.C. continues. An events list found at BarackObama.com reveals that eight “Obama Shabbat” dinners will be held this evening, here in Washington, to observe the Jewish sabbath and to “organize our community to help reelect President Barack Obama.” The Jewish sabbath is observed from sundown Friday evening to sundown Saturday night. The descriptions for the dinners are formulaic, sounding mostly the same. “On Friday, June 1st Jewish Americans across the District of…

  69. fender's Gravatar fender
    June 1, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “Look, Romney is going to win in November”

    Not in this universe.

  70. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    June 1, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks

    Well we must have very different experiences. Christians that go to church on a regular basis are very much a minority, and the only Christians that are big supporters of Israel are the evangelical Protestants. The left, and much of the populist right, is increasingly critical of Israel.

    The stereotype that athletes are brawny brutes and smart people are nerdy is just that, a stereotype, well loved by Hollywood but having virtually no relation to the real world. Certainly in my schools the athletes tended to get good grades and the dumb people were often fat and out of shape. You realize that “dumb blonde” jokes are similar, blondes tend to have very high IQs compared to non-Whites?

    I remember growing up that kids who showed great intellectual promise, but little athletic ability, were scorned and often subject to abuse.

    This just strikes me like something out of “Revenge of the Nerds” or similar. “Dumb goy jocks beating up the sensitive brilliant Jewish kids” – just never saw it. Southern athletes like the Duke teams don’t seem particularly anti-intellectual to me either.

    As for Romney winning, I remember a lot of Republicans in 1996 declaring there was “no way Clinton could win” and the same people saying a radical socialist Muslim like Obama could never beat a war hero like McCain.

    Just maybe it’s you that tone deaf?

  71. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Oh, I thought Team Obama would win too, but I’ve changed my mind now. Politics are getting racialized (implicitly) faster than I thought. You can tell by coverage on the media that the Democrats are worried. They can’t get enough Whites to vote for Obama.

    The whole battle is over moderate White women and so-called working class Whites, and the Dems can’t seem to get enough of them.

  72. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    I can’t help what I saw in school. Now, my parents had a hard time believing that smart, responsible kids were targeted for abuse, so maybe it is something that started coming online with the new “thug culture”, and even before that with the “pothead” culture. But I remember a coach specifically saying, that when he was in school, he was told to slam anyone who didn’t play football up against a locker – and that was by his coach! So, yeah, it happened, and I suspect happens more now, although I can’t be sure.

    You seem to be arguing that picking on nerds is just some fantasy cooked up by Jewish Hollywood writers. I don’t think that is consistent with the facts (although I am sure they had problems with that up North). We only had one Jew in my middle school that I know of (and he was never picked on), but there were quite a few decent but not very physical White guys who went through hell. They generally were openly abused, called names, and received zero sympathy from girls. They were just dismissed as “dorks and losers”. But, for the most part, they ended up being more likely to go to college.

  73. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    Actually you are right on something, I don’t want to come off as anti-athlete. Most of the abuse did not come from athletes at all, but from jerks who didn’t have much else going for them. I actually don’t remember too many football players taking shots at people too often – sure, a few were cocky and all that, but some of those guys were very well balanced and decent guys. So, I don’t mean to attack athletes, especially Southern athletes. If my comments sounded that way, I misspoke.

    I would say athletes were given most of the value when I was in high school, and that teachers and parents would have been wise to emphasize academics more, but that was the athletes fault. So again, it wasn’t that the abuse came from primarily from athletes. But kids who were not athletes, and were White and awkward, were targeted for abuse.

  74. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 1, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    I have a comment in moderation, in which I want to agree with you that athletes in general were not guilty of anything – and I may have misspoke in my earlier post. I don’t want to blame athletes at all – I do want to point out that kids who were White, awkward and intellectual (non-Jews) were targeted for abuse by some guys (and the abusers were not usually athletes). And I didn’t’ see any teacher or any of the “compassionate” females helping them out.

    On Obama winning, well I am not basing my view on what some GOP person says. Both sides always say their guy is going to win, BFD. It was clear in 1996 that Clinton would win pretty early. And the really amazing thing is that Obama didn’t win a landslide back in 2008 – biggest financial crisis in 100 years, verge of a depression, Dow crashing, fake war – if Obama had been White, he would have won huge. So, lots of Whites are not comfortable with Obama.

    In West Virginia, over 40% in a Democrat primary, voted for a felon over Obama. That’s bad. Now, anything could happen, but I am noticing the same thick-headed cocksureness that characterizes most “White Nationalists” when it comes to political savvy – they are loud, proud and wrong.

  75. fender's Gravatar fender
    June 1, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Do you realize what will happen if Obama loses? It will be a complete repudiation of everything America has stood for since the 1960s. The Magnificent Marxist Mulatto will become a symbol of the failure that is multiculturalism, multiracialism, tolerance, diversity, progressivism, liberalism, and everything that the elites of DC, NYC, and LA support. The “social experiment” that is modern America will become an illusion in the eyes of millions of Americans. Clear racial lines will be drawn between White and non-White. Whites will have a greater sense of who they are and what type of people they want leading them.

    Do you think Those In Charge will let his happen? No way pal. Obama will just barely win his re-election with a few more billions from Wall Street and unwavering support from the empty-headed George Clooneys and Bonos of the world, who will make it clear that if Obama is not re-elected, it means all of America is a big evil racist Nazi state. Above all else, Whites need to feel moral and “good” in the eyes of the masses, for whatever reason. They will choose the “moral” candidate (Obama) over the one they instinctively feel has their interests at heart (Romney). Not that I’m insinuating Romney isn’t a total jew tool either, of course.

  76. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    June 2, 2012 - 12:28 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I’m sorry not to have responded. I haven’t been in the best of health for several days, and the baseline from which I’m doing the measuring was itself already well below the x-axis before it took an additional dip.

  77. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    I agree with everything you said – well except the main point of who will win! Yes, I think there is a lot on the line for the anti-Whites in this election. It will still be quite a defeat for them if Romney wins from a cultural and psychological perspective. But, it is getting late in the day, we are in the summer, and they haven’t destroyed Romney yet. And due to the Supreme Court decision allowing unlimited money, the superpacs will give the GOP oceans of money.

    Business in general isn’t that happy with Obama, and they supposedly have a trillion or two sitting on the sideline they aren’t investing out of fear. I suspect many of them want to restore some confidence in the economy.

    And the one advantage Romney has is how god awful boring he is. It’s hard to paint him as a demon. Now, the other thing is this: I think something close to 70% of White Gentiles just won’t care what the elites say. They are tired of the black guy in the White House.

    I was not a fan of Romney. I though he was a loser and that Obama could beat him easy. But, maybe this election won’t be about ideology or excitement. It may just be the White guy versus the black guy. And I just get the feeling that Whites are deep down becoming more racial. They’ve made their sacrifice to Political Correctness and want to move on.

  78. June 2, 2012 - 1:27 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks

    picking on nerds is just some fantasy cooked up by Jewish Hollywood writers. I don’t think that is consistent with the facts (although I am sure they had problems with that up North).

    Well, considering my entire academic career from grade school to college was in the South, not the North, I have no idea what you are talking about. Certainly, you experiences seem to be consistent with the Hollywood Jewish stereotypes, but I never experienced anything remotely similar.

    In my Southern schools, the “goyiche” blonde athletes tended to be very intelligent, hard working, straight-A students who – far from bullying the less popular crowd – often were the nicest, most inclusive people, and often did their best to include and support those not quite as athletic or academically gifted. They tended to be the “natural” leaders. Nerdy, bitter Jewish kids complaining about getting their heads bashed into lockers – never happened outside of Hollywood movies from what I remember.

    Perhaps your experiences did in fact fit the Hollywood stereotype, but maybe you were the outlier, not the rest of us.

  79. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    Not exactly sure why you’re taking such a hostile tone. I guess you were an athlete and you felt insulted? Anyway, I think most people have had experiences with certain kids being bullied pretty harshly in school. I don’t think that controversy. Or maybe you think you’re defending Southern culture in someway? Mainly, I just want to convey that neither parents nor teachers were as supportive of certain other students as they should’ve been.

    And I am afraid (and you may be an example of this) that certain people in Southern communities were a bit oblivious to the unfairness that was visited upon some of their more intelligent and intellectual students.

  80. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 2, 2012 - 1:59 am | Permalink

    @ anarchyst & mari:
    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres/LBzad.pdf

    Zionism in the Age of Dictators. Granted, Brenner critically observes Zionism’s links with Nazism from an internationalist, communist perspective, but it’s still good material.

  81. June 2, 2012 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Not exactly sure why you’re taking such a hostile tone.

    My apologies Jason Speaks, I didn’t mean to come across as “hostile.”

    I guess you were an athlete and you felt insulted? Anyway, I think most people have had experiences with certain kids being bullied pretty harshly in school.

    I’m sure everyone has some social difficulties in school, but no, I was never particularly bullied. Then again, I never had to deal with some “oppositional identity” like many Jewish kids unfortunately had to.

    Or maybe you think you’re defending Southern culture in someway?

    Wait, I thought we were both products of “Southern culture?” You mentioned you are a product of “Southern culture” – South and South west, correct? Did I get that wrong?

    And I am afraid (and you may be an example of this) that certain people in Southern communities were a bit oblivious to the unfairness that was visited upon some of their more intelligent and intellectual students.

    That’s odd, I don’t feel that way at all. I don’t remember any “unfairness” visisted on the “more intelligent and intellectual students.” In fact, I remember quite the opposite – intelligent and intellectual students were praised and encouraged.

    I do remember some minority “oppositional” types, with a very high opinion of themselves, (although not the grades, or objective measurements, to back it up) constantly complaining about how they weren’t “appreciated” for their supposed genius. Their parents often made a big fuss.

  82. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 2:25 am | Permalink

    @Richard Pierce:

    No problem, hope I didn’t come across bad. I did go to school in the South/Southwest, however it was a big city, so a bit multicultural and probably not as representative of the real South. There were tons of people from everywhere in that city. And we were not in the best neighborhood – not the worst, but not that good either.

    When I visited the country, where my grandparents lived. I did notice that kids actually seemed nicer. I could establish rapport with them much easier, and they didn’t seem to have the sadism I witnessed in our “inclusive” multicultural big city school. My parents never had a clue what I was talking about when mentioned certain kids getting bullied for being “too good” or studying too much. So, it may sadly be a part of the Multicultural city.

    My concern with the South would just be this: As our cities become more mixed, be aware if your kids are under new pressures you never experienced.

  83. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 2, 2012 - 6:07 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I am sorry to hear it. Rest up and feel better soon, my friend.

  84. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 2, 2012 - 6:16 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    One of the great dangers of being the ‘first’ woman, black, name your affirmative action label, is that if you are mess up you run the chance of being the last. Obama has done nothing right and people are angry.

    Romney may be boring, but he is competent. The real wild card will be white women who are married to the government.

  85. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 7:29 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Hope you are feeling better soon. Although, to be honest, that is more for selfish reasons than anything else.

  86. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 7:32 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    That’s funny, White women married to the government. Well, that is why Romney may work out as a choice, he doesn’t seem like a “wild eyed” conservative, and perhaps that will be calming. Yes, he is far more competent than Obama. And I get the sense he isn’t going to follow the lead of McCain, and gush over how wonderful Obama is at every turn. So, he’s definitely got some pluses.

  87. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 7:52 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    One more thing, there are too many Democrats not showing proper enthusiasm for Obama. That Cory Booker mayor took Obama to task for criticizing private equity firms and old party hack Ed Rendell more or less agreed with him. Bill Clinton just said something good about firms like Bain Capital yesterday I believe. I just get the impression all the Indians aren’t on the reservation for some reason.

    Either they think Obama will lose, or he has made enemies within the party, or some combination. But normally, I don’t think party members like that fail to fully support their own Presidential candidates.

    Look at this chart comparing Presidential approval. It looks like every President who won reelection, was over 50% approval at election (and usually had been most of the time). Obama has been under 50% for three years. He has the whiff of a one-termer about him.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

  88. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    June 2, 2012 - 8:22 am | Permalink

    @fender: I have a gut feeling that Obama is going to win the reelection.

  89. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 2, 2012 - 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Jewish power is difficult to pin down, many people are convinced the attack on Iraq was ‘for the oil’. Whoever wins will order an attack on Iran. White liberals may be educated about who is calling the shots, if Obama is the one to do Jewish bidding by smashing Iran.

  90. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    June 2, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    I’ve done more than my share of traveling in my life. I’ve been to Europe several times. I’ve been to Canada, Mexico, and Austrailia. I learned something that I still believe today. Americans, are the coolest and kindest people around. What I can’t understand, what just blows me away, is how utterly ignorant they are about who runs their nation, how they run it, and how badly it is affecting them. My God, WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UTTERLY CLUELESS. What good is it to be nice, cool and decent, when you don’t understand you are being scre-ed, by your leaders on an almost DAILEY BASIS. It’s the ignorance of millions of Americans, that truly, and I mean this sincerely, truly saddens me.

  91. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    June 2, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White: Ha.,,,,Absolutely, you can count on it. The Repubican elite, once more made it a certainty for the left. Romney doesn’t stand a snowflakes chance in hell, if all the attitude I’ve been reading from conservatives towards him is true.

  92. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 2, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    We are all saddened by it. I have three simple causes, an education system that teachers what to think instead of how to think, mass media mesmerism and we were fat and happy and lazy. The latter is changing fast. Will that be that enough to overcome the former two?

    I have taken to asking that people start judging by the actual results rather than declared intention. Sometimes after they stop sputtering they think. It is worth a try. We have a lot of educating to do.

  93. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 2, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    It is certainly true that republicans are not in love with Romney. We hope it takes a thief to catch a thief, and that he can find some of the incredible waste in government, but it is pure hope and we know it. But we really do not want more Obama. The poor man is not up to the job. All presidents age, but he has aged 15 years in 3. He knows he is in over his head and it is becoming painful to watch, even for liberals.

  94. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 2, 2012 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I wish we could place bets on here. Obama will lose, even Maureen Dowd is treating him as a bit of a loser. It’s true most conservatives were not excited by Romney, but they will turn out in droves in November, and they won’t be voting for Obama.

  95. Mark White's Gravatar Mark White
    June 3, 2012 - 6:52 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The mass media is the biggest enemy, and is not only their stranglehold in America, they even use European media some times like the BBC and Luc Besson Europacorp…

  96. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 3, 2012 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: If Jewish power is as great as this post says it is, then an attack on Iran is inevitable whoever wins. TOO can gain precious credibility if it correctly predicts an attack on Iran. A lot of people will have their eyes opened if Obama is the one to do it.

  97. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 3, 2012 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:I’m sure a lot of white people are turned off the idea of making sacrifices for their race by remembering the treatment they got from other whites as kids. The more well off or educated someone’s background, the more likely their most unpleasant interactions are likely to have been with other Whites.

  98. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    June 3, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Most kind of you, JS.

    The bullying thing, which one or two folks seem to think you’re making too much of, was discussed at length in the pages of Chronicles in the months after Columbine. None of the discussion there, of course, raised the possibility of an anti-white, anti-Christian dimension (only kooks would ever suggest such a thing, of course), but Bill Kauffman (the localist guy from upstate New York) wrote an article that placed the blame squarely on the then roughly thirty-year-old teachers union–led move to eliminate small, community-based and community-oriented public high schools—which were the norm everywhere as late as the early sixties—and replace them with the huge, amalgamated schools that enrolled/imprisoned several thousand students, who may or may not have been fortunate enough to end up in classes with kids they had so far grown up with, and turned teachers and administrators into little more than wardens and prison guards.

    To make a long story short, Kauffman’s point was that the adults in the now-abandoned community schools knew the kids in their human-sized surroundings. What is more, with their undisputed in loco parentis function and applying their often firsthand experience of adolescents’ developmental characteristics, they could be on guard for the more than occasional appearance of disordered but predictable (and if caught soon enough, manageable and correctable) impulses, including exploitation of physical size and strength for various aggressive ends and misdirection of primary and secondary sexual impulses, that adolescents are prone to and prey to, especially in situations where adult supervision is absent or minimal. Kauffman noted that the Columbine shooters’ behavior had been deviant and antisocial for several years, and he had no doubt that, had they been in a school of a size and orientation where the adults actually gave a damn about their student charges, appropriate interventions could have been made at a point where those interventions might actually have benefited both the shooters and the classmates who later became their victims.

    His analysis was so sensible, so blazingly obvious, that I came away from reading it with the sensation that those who devised those schools wanted the Columbines of the past twenty years to happen. Can there now be any doubt that they did?

    Incidentally, Kauffman, who is emphatically not a Jew, has written half a dozen books, none of which I’ve read. It looks as if I am going to have a hell of a busy eleventh decade.

  99. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 4, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I have just said a prayer for you, Pierre. Hope you fell better soon.

  100. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 4, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: That verse is the justification that so many use to convince themselves that we must support Israel. Generally speaking, I tell people since it is Old Testament, it is only refering to the Israel of the Old Testament. The israel of today consists of those who rejected the Christ, Jesus, who became the final sacrifice as required to fulfil the law, and transformed God’s chosen people from pre Christ followers of the law, to post Christ followers of Christ, subject to grace. Any jew after Christ upon rejecting Christ cannot possibly be someone who pleases God – because he is rejecting God’s only son, who gave his life for them.
    I have long argued with people in my family who say to me that jews have a special place in God’s heart and we must be kind and save them to receive God’s favor. I tell them to point out to me where in the New Testament it sez jews can reject Jesus and receive eternal life – no one can, but they are so emotionally attached to the concept they mumble that it is in there somewhere. One relative that I love very dearly and agree with her on every other point about Christianity told me she reread the entire New Testament in an effort to prove I was wrong about the jews. She concluded that jews could be saved by accepting Christ – so we now agree!
    I further point out to them that by “preaching” that jews can receive salvation absent Jesus they are committing a grave error insofar as they are condemning jews to eternal separation from God – and we are to be judged by our teaching. (start with 2 Peter 2, among other verses)
    If evangelicals ever start to think about this friend of Israel doctrine, the weight of “Jesus, Jesus, and Jesus” taught every week in Sunday School will eventually overcome it.

  101. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 4, 2012 - 12:50 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Jason, I agree that the people putting their hands over their hearts are good people, and are well intentioned. For those whites who fought for the country, I weep at the sacrifices they made in the name of that flag and have been so cruelly betrayed. They just don’t stop and think about it, and to fit in, they salute the flag.
    If you do stop and think about it, though, the white man is the declared enemy in the opinion of the US government. If you hire or promote too many white men, you and your company are breaking the law. This goes for you if you are a state, county, city or regional govt. entity, or even a private business. If you make speeches or write articles defending the rights of white men, the US govt. will possibly investigate you for criminal activity. If you make pro white statements at work, you can be fired. If you make pro white statements in your life, they can and will be used against you in trials in which you may lose your liberty.
    So why in the name of God would I salute the flag of the govt. which oppresses me more than even the Arabs could hope to do? If I were to say I don’t salute the flag of the JSA, someone could probably punch me in the mouth and get away with it, by saying I’m a racist. If I punched them back, I would probably go to jail, and not them.
    So i say again – why should any white man salute that flag?

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 4, 2012 - 7:37 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Perhaps it is an unworthy evasion of reality, but I think of the pledge as a vow to remember what America is supposed to be. If you think about the words none describe reality as it is – we are no longer a republic but an oligarchy, one nation is self evidently false as is liberty and justice for all. I hope to hold those high aspirations in my heart least we forget.

  103. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    June 4, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Your family members should also recall that Rabbinic Judaism is a creation of the pharisees and that today’s rabbis are the intellectual heirs of people whom Christ explicitly called “whitened sepulchres.” The cognitive dissonance of many believers never fails to amaze me.

  104. Pavel's Gravatar Pavel
    June 4, 2012 - 10:30 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Absolutely correct. I actually refrain from getting into political conversations with anybody nowadays because I don’t see the point of trying to debate Americans. Americans really have ZERO clue, particularly regarding the Jewish influence in this country. It’s astonishing. They really buy the whole Republican vs. Democrats scenario without ever considering that there are other, more obvious sources of power. Very disappointing.

  105. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 4, 2012 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Thinking of the pledge as a tribute to the lost America is one way of making sense of it – but i guess I’m seeking to provoke. At this point, the betrayal of the original America is so complete it astonishes me that I get so much resistance.

  106. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 4, 2012 - 4:44 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: That is an excellent line of reasoning; today’s rabbis descending from the Pharisees of (KJV) Matthew 23:27, ” Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.”
    Jesus was certainly unafraid of criticising the jews – of course, they did crucify him, too – didn’t they?

  107. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 4, 2012 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Life must be difficult for logical engineers force to live with all of us sentimental sorts. We all have our crosses to bear. :)

  108. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 4, 2012 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

    @Mark White:
    I think we continue to underestimate the power of the media.

  109. arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
    June 4, 2012 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “But again, most anti-Israel people I have known, were really just anti-White.”

    Utter nonsense! Not even worth the effort of a reasoned rebuttal.

  110. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 4, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @arthurdecco:

    I am talking about here in America. When you venture out beyond the White nationalist community most Whites I know are either neutral on Israel or mildly in favor of them. In both my personal life and in the political life of America, other than White nationalists, the Whites who take up the Palestinian cause are virtually always a bit anti-White, if not very anti-White.

    I am thinking of Jimmy Carter types. Whatever his motivation for supporting Palestine and being critical of Israel, it has nothing to do with being pro-White. Jane Fonda is another obvious example along with the leftists who are over at Democracy Now. I can’t honestly say what their motivation is except they are most definitely not pro-White.

    Can you provide any examples of fairly normal Whites who are highly critical of Israel who are not already White nationalists? I understand that the David Dukes of the world get the issue right, but at least here in America, I can name only a very few public figures who criticize Israel who are not anti-White.

    Jim Traficant would be an example of a guy who, while not a White nationalist, is it least not hostile to us. But I find few examples like this. The point is, I think we have to focus on changing the minds of normal Whites, mostly Christians, and stop trying to throw in with the left-wing anti-White types.

    This is true in the broader sense too. I understand Matt Parrott tried to establish a rapport with Occupy Wall Street which actually backfired and created problems for him. That’s what I’m trying to warn about. OWS, Jimmy Carter, Jane Fonda, and all those hard leftists are not ever going to be our friend. The reason they oppose Israel has nothing to do with the reasons we criticize Israel and is certainly not part of a larger strategy to save Whites.

  111. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 4, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I can’t say how deliberate the policy has been to traumatize young White students, but I know the practical impact has been just that. I remember teachers of a somewhat ex-hippie orientation who obviously sided with the potheads and even the thuggish future criminals over the “square” kids. It can be a very subtle thing: a male or female teacher who lavishes praise on kids who are obviously tormenting others; the complete failure to put an end to abuse of students which is happening right before their eyes; the insinuation that there is something lacking in boys and girls who “cling” to “outdated” social norms.

    I remember in 10th grade a male teacher openly sneering at a boy who said he didn’t understand why people had to get drunk in order to have a good time. The teacher, quite literally, ridiculed him in front of the class, saying “well not everyone is as cool as you are”. Needless to say, the kid in question was not considered cool at all. It successfully elicited chuckles.

    Now, I don’t think these people were following some script, I just think they were real counterculture, anti-White leftists who were acting true to form. What shocks me is the obliviousness of parents to how schools had changed.

  112. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 4, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Your comment about the possible alienation of our own intellectual elite is interesting. Whether it was done by design or accident, there’s definitely been a rift between what I would call intellectual Whites and regular Whites. Note, I don’t mean just smart Whites by the term intellectual, but specifically those Whites who are likely to go on to get higher degrees and especially those involved in setting and commenting on social and moral norms. When I reflect on it, I’d say they were most definitely alienated. Again, this may have been by design (Jewish activists in Hollywood stigmatizing the old WASP elite sort of thing), or buy some natural process, or most likely a combination of both.

    I remember one example , a small Irish kid in ninth grade, who was extremely smart and went on to get a PhD in physics. However, when he was 14, he came very close to being forced to push a penny with his nose about 20 feet in front of a school bus full of his classmates – both boys and girls. Luckily, a friend of his step forward and put an end to the shenanigans (he actually made the bully in question push the penny 1 foot with his own nose).

    However, I know that the same kid had been subjected to a far worse abuse the previous year. He would never tell me what it was in detail, but it obviously brought him great humiliation and he would become furious if I pressed the issue. Now, he was what I would call a natural for our side: he actually thought Whites were superior (although he held no grudge towards other races), he was extremely well mannered, and amazingly cultured for such a young person. Was he a popular kid? Not hardly. Did girls take any interest in him? No, of course not. Did this bother him? Enormously.

    When I ran into him several years later when he was already taking very advanced courses at the university, all I can say is that a deep bitterness had crept into him. He did not have fond memories of his formative years. I don’t think he was anti-White, but if I could sum up his emotional motif, it would be: people are no damned good. And most of the people he had been around were White.

    In my high school, and even junior high, I remember thinking how amazing it was that half naked cheerleaders were gyrating in honor of our sports teams, yet nothing of the sort was done for the academic kids. I suspect that preference for sports over academics is fine, if you don’t happen to be engaged in a multigenerational culture/race war. By the way, just to reiterate, I am most emphatically not blaming athletes for this. I do blame the school administrators, as well as teachers, coaches, and parents.

  113. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    June 4, 2012 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I can not tell you how shocking I find that description. I went to a girls school during the last ice age so I neither experienced nor witnessed anything remotely like that. My husband tells me he remembers a certain amount of bullying but it was more in the order of pecking order disputes between closely matched boys. He remembers the group disciplining guys who were just flat out mean.

    Can this be attributed to the increased stress in life? Is the smart kid just a symbol for all the meritocratic elite? Are smart kids one of the few groups one is allowed to hate because they are not an identifiable protected victim group? I think you are on the something important. I dread asking this, but could it be the often sadly reduced quality, both social and intellectual, of teachers today, which accounts for the horror of teachers ignoring this behavior?

  114. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    June 5, 2012 - 12:29 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Dealing with people is always a little tricky for engineers, who definately prefer deference to confrontation. Being a businessman also forces me to close sales, and deal with customers – so I can live with some ambiguity.

  115. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    June 5, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

    @J. De Maistre:About the word ‘canard.’ I agree, I think it is the only place I see it used.
    If you tie flies for fishing you know ‘Cul de canard’ is ‘asshole of duck’ and the feathers seem almost lighter than air, much different than a regular bird feather, they will float a light hook and water does not stick to them. Perhaps they use the word ‘canard’ because they know it is a lie that will float and not much truth will stick to it. They are just being cute in the Kol Nidre sense.

  116. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 5, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Well Scott Walker won his reelection in Wisconsin, and it looks like the GOP’will maintain control of their state Senate. Pretty bad night for Democrats. This is more evidence for my case that Obama will lose this November.

  117. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    June 6, 2012 - 2:00 am | Permalink

    Mitt Romney’s foreign policy advisors are mostly Jews because foreign policy is best left to the Jews. Take a look at Romney’s line-up:
    Dov Zakheim – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Robert Kagan – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Michael Chertoff – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eliot Cohen – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Eric Edelman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    John Lehman – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Evan Feigenbaum – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Aaron Friedberg – (Israeli Dual Citizen)
    Kent Lucken – (Israeli Dual Citizen)

  118. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    June 6, 2012 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    woops, missed this:
    Robert Kagan is the brother of Elena Kagan of SCOTUS..is that true?
    Just what we dont need, another jewish female on the SC and her bro that high up.

  119. Lombard's Gravatar Lombard
    June 6, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    @90404:
    Oh man… and dreamers still try to blame the left as the root cause.

  120. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    June 6, 2012 - 1:30 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    No, it is not true! Oddly enough, sometimes people who are wholly unrelated have the same last name (like, say, Jessica and O.J.). Who knew…?!?

  121. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    June 6, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Obama will win the election IMHO.

    On balance this is also the best result for the Whites IMHO

  122. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 6, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I think you might be right that if Obama won it would be better for Whites in the long run, although I can see arguments for both sides. As soon as someone White is in the Presidency, White people tend to go to sleep.

    But I think they can’t get enough White people to vote for Obama this time – we’ll see – it’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds. And while Romney’s policies may or may not be better than Obamas, I think if White people reject Obama, that is a good sign.

  123. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    June 9, 2012 - 12:38 am | Permalink

    @fender: I COULDN’T AGREE MORE, Obama, will win as already arranged by the elite who run this nation. There is so much to so as to why he was put in, in the first place. Oh yes, he was “put in”. Just picking someone like McCain to run against him was proof enough of that assertion for me.

  124. Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
    June 9, 2012 - 2:09 am | Permalink

    Lombard

    May 31, 2012 – 4:44 am | Permalink

    “Ben-Ami is kidding himself if he thinks that humanitarian arguments or even arguments phrased in terms of Israeli survival are going to persuade the Israeli right to change course on settlements.”
    I somehow doubt that is really his agenda. He is helping ‘World Israel’ though by maintaining the ‘Good jews and bad jews’ dichotomy… which helps diffuse the full spotlight.
    I suspect they are growing concerned by the rise in internet/non msn chatter which is their major worry and why they even have to bring the ‘Jewish/Israel’ issue to a mainstream venue. The more ‘talk’ that happens over the internet, the more chance to create a true ‘division’ in their ranks… and then real opportunities arise.
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    Excellent point and an incredible observation. You are absolutely right. Its like they want to keep the debate within the Jewish community and pretend that there is real opposition within the Jewish community to what Israel is doing but in reality they want to keep real Gentile opposition out.

    You are also right that they are realizing people are talking and taking notice and they want to give the impression that not all Jews are down with what the Aipac/Neocon crowd are doing. But in reality they are doing nothing to actually change anything. In the end people will start seeing all Jews are the same. So now we know why many Germans hated all Jews and not some.

    Plus many Jews were involved in heavy Islamo-Christian critique and now find themselves having to step to the plate as they see their Jewish brethren behaving in ways they used to criticize.

    Only when the issue comes to Whites actually losing power and realizing the Jews were behind it than you will see actual change. Right now most people think that only Palestinians and Muslims are suffering from the Jewish influence in America and many Whites are cheering for that.

  125. SanMan's Gravatar SanMan
    June 9, 2012 - 3:08 am | Permalink

    When I used to play the board game “Risk” when it was clear I would no longer be able to win the game I would go a suicidal rampage and take out my enemy.

  126. SanMan's Gravatar SanMan
    June 9, 2012 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    My hope is that Iran already has a few nukes from Russia and will use them on Israel. I wonder if you could talk about what it would be like if Israel turned to ash (since Israel is destroyed would we be able to retake control of the right).

  127. June 19, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    The warmongering Jews like Bill Cristol are gaining more powers.

    Recently, Obama administration has succeeded installing Zionist Jews as head of two very powerful international policy-making forums – the United Nations and Amnesty International USA. As result of these appointments, Zioconservatives will be able to fool world opinion by manufacturing lies about Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Pakistan – as they did in case of Qaddafi last year.

    The new Executive Director of Amnesty International USA – Suzanne Nossel is an Israel-Firster Zionist Jew. She worked for the late Ambassador Richard Holbrooke (a Crypto Jew) under the Clinton Administration at the United Nations. Fancis A. Boyle, former board of director of Amnesty International (1988-92) has called Holbrooke the Butcher of Balkans for his major role in the breakup of Muslim state of Bosnia-Herzegovina and ethnic-cleansing of 1.5 to 2 million Muslims.

    Suzanne Nossel told ‘Jacob Blaustein Institute’ in January 2012 that she will make sure that Israel is not singled out by AI reports in the future for human rights abuses. “Looking back to what first sparked my own interest in human rights issues, it has everything to do growing up as an American Jew,” she claimed.

    UN secretary-general Ban Ki-Moon, a US-Israel political poodle – has appointed Zionist Jew Jeffrey D. Feltman as the top UN political issues official for the Middle East. In his new position Feltman will be in a very good position to do UN’s shilling for Israeli wars against Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Before appointed to his current position of assisstant secretary of state for near-eastern affairs under Israel-Firster Hillary Clinton – Feltman had served as US diplomat in both Israel and Lebanon. Feltman has confirmed that his priority is to disarm Lebanese Islamic Resistance Hizbullah which defeated the Jewish army in 2000 and 2006.

    As US ambassador to Lebanon (2004-08), the ‘shill of Israel’, Feltman was able to corrupt many politicians and sectarian groups. Feltman pushed for UN Resolution 1559 from 2004, to disarm Hizbullah, he supported the Israeli invasion in 2006, and he provided assistance to the March 14 political party against Hezbollah. Feltman applauded the crushing of the Shia-majority protests in Bahrain and has been a ceaseless supporter of the Zionist entity and critic of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Reportedly, the idea to have US allies summarily expel Syrian diplomats on the recent cooked-up massacre at Houla was also by Feltman.

    Germany’s leading daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung has claimed that the massacre was carried out by US-Israel-Turkish funded anti-government rebels – but Zionist-controlled media blamed Syrian army for the tragedy.

    Dr. Franklin Lamb once reported: “Ambassador Maura Connelly as a State Department staffer worked under Jeffrey Feltman. He once told her: “I have got these SOBs just where we want them Maura! Watch the 1000 slow cuts as we shred Hizbullah – who do they think they’re? And we will do it by using 1757 and this time we are going all the way. I told Israel to stay out of Lebanon because the IDF cannot defeat Hizbullah plus the whole region will burn“.

  128. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    June 20, 2012 - 1:37 am | Permalink

    @Rehmat:

    Amnesty International is a private group; its officers are not appointed by the government. The late Richard Holbrooke was not a crypto-Jew; his Jewishness was a matter of public record.

  129. thespacialone's Gravatar thespacialone
    June 22, 2012 - 12:25 am | Permalink

    Seriously good. This article would serve as a great primer for those hitherto unfamiliar with Western Jewish power as it relates to the state of Israel.

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