Thoughts on Secession

In a recent column, Pat Buchanan noted that secession is in the air:

While no one takes this movement as seriously as men took secession in 1861, the sentiments behind it ought not to be minimized. For they bespeak a bristling hostility to the federal government and a dislike bordering on detestation of some Americans for other Americans, as deep as it was on the day Beauregard’s guns fired on Fort Sumter. “Stirrings of Secession”

Buchanan frames the issue as part of a general trend:

The West is decomposing. British Tories seek to cut ties to the European Union. Scots want to leave Britain. Catalans vote to divorce from Spain, to which they have been wedded since the 15th century. Flemish talk of leaving Walloons behind in Belgium. Northern Europeans are weary of carrying their profligate southern brethren and muse about cutting Greece adrift and letting it float out into the Mediterranean.

And Americans are already seceding from one another — ethnically, culturally, politically. Middle-class folks flee high-tax California, as Third World immigrants, legal and illegal, pour in to partake of the cornucopia of social welfare benefits the Golden Land dispenses.

High-tax states like New York now send tens of thousands of pension checks to Empire State retirees in tax-free Florida. Communities of seniors are rising that look like replicas of the suburbs of the 1950s. People gravitate toward their own kind. Call it divorce, American-style.

Even if unsuccessful, a vigorous secession campaign in just one state would raise White consciousness, especially if explicitly linked to White interests. Huge nation-wide publicity would be generated if campaigners managed to force a referendum. It follows that this is a prime political goal for the White advocacy movement. Limited resources should be devoted to finding the best candidate state, then getting behind the secession movement.


The criteria for judging eligibility are, firstly, the viability of the secession movement, e.g. in the presence of capable and high-status organizers and some initial popular support, and secondly objective signs of viability, such as voting and opinion patterns (e.g. red states, Southern states, etc.).

The point to be emphasized is that the realistic objective is not actual secession but raising White consciousness. With that in mind, the campaign should be conducted to minimize the demoralization of a no vote, e.g. by pitching the referendum question for limited devolution of federal powers to the state. That would also increase the likelihood of voter support. Also, the secession campaign would need to avoid overshooting public imagination, e.g. by balancing overt ethnic themes with conventional red state ideology. One policy I think should go into the campaign is that those supporting secession want to reclaim control of immigration and shape it to retain a predominantly White population. Another would be the demand to cease anti-White discrimination (Affirmative Action) and cease the White taxation burden for minority welfare. The number of policies should be strictly limited.

So far secessionism is pie-in-the-sky stuff. “We should secede!” is about as nuanced as it gets.

My starting point is that a campaign for secession should be seen as an end in itself, because the campaign would potentially raise White consciousnessacross the country.

The problem is getting such a campaign off the ground. One such method would be to shape the goals of a putative campaign. If it is the campaign itself that matters, not success (at least in the first instance), then almost anything that facilitates the campaign should be grasped. What would properly facilitate a secession campaign?

Obviously, much attention should be payed to the goals. Many good people might join a campaign to limited goals who would shy away from a one with radical goals. So why not pitch the referendum question at limited devolution of federal powers instead of a complete break with the U.S.A.? For example, the referendum might ask the voters of a state whether they support reclaiming state sovereignty over immigration and participation in welfare, while remaining within the free-trade zone of the United States? They might be asked to affirm their state to be a constitutional White republic for the purposes of immigration and banning anti-White discrimination, while participating in the U.S.’s highway and railway system, or even its military system on a volunteer basis, etc.

This should be a matter of intense debate now so that the White activist movement can clear away secondary issues and concentrate of forging a simple referendum question that contains the essentials.

What is non-negotiable? That question should also lie at the heart of the discussion.

The explicitness of ethnic goals should be non-negotiable, because without that the campaign would fail to raise ethnic consciousness. It is imaginable that a fierce and even successful secession campaign could be fought without mentioning White interests. It would tie the secessionist movement to a doomed formula of implicit ethnicity and continued minority infiltration.

Furthermore, keeping the ethnic demand explicit would help White activists determine the ways in which devolution could be limited. E.g. A break-away state could remain in the communications grid but must not concede sovereignty over immigration. The latter is the first consideration because it will (1) raise ethnic consciousness towards explicit Whiteness; and (2) if successful in future referendums, lay the demographic foundation for an explicitly White republic. Welfare is important but secondary. I can imagine a break-away White state which allows only White immigration from surrounding states and from overseas and allows only pro-White affirmative action (or none), but which continues to pay taxes to Washington. It is not a situation many state citizens would like and it would be inherently unstable. But it would nevertheless achieve a vital first step towards national survival. Taxation and welfare independence could be dealt with later. (My guess is that it will be all-or-nothing, that even a push for limited sovereignty will end up lumping ethnic independence with financial sovereignty. But the distinction between first and secondary priorities remains.) A major factor determining what goes into the referendum is the preconditions for a serious campaign, i.e. what would initially motivate enough quality organisers and citizens to force a referendum.

Another suggestion is to set up a new committee to deliberate these questions and organize the secession process. It should be a new body dedicated exclusively to pursuing secession. Such a body should not be thrown together from the usual suspects, but should be treated as a critical step in mobilization. For example, the Committee for National Secession should contain leading White advocates. But it should go further by recruiting so-far unaffiliated individuals of substance: mayors state legislators and academics and lawyers and sheriffs and the individuals who gathered those 25,000 votes in the recent secession petitions.

But first the core principles must be formulated to act as the movement’s colours around which a cadre of activists can assemble.

Raising the Committee should be seen as a critical first step and one requiring significant investment. Determining its terms of reference, for example keeping it explicitly ethnic, would be vital. By the way, the name Committee for National Secession is meant to capture the idea that the historical American nation seeks to secede from the American state because the latter has become an unreformable tyranny and existential threat to the nation.

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531 Comments to "Thoughts on Secession"

  1. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 31, 2012 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Vlad, did you happen to watch any of the documentary mentioned here: @thm:

  2. Jay's Gravatar Jay
    December 31, 2012 - 9:19 am | Permalink

    Greeting Folks,

    This is a huge thread with a lot of interrelated topics so I will try to address them in a somewhat orderly manner:

    First: Thoughts On Secession — Mr. Dodgson’s article failed to inspire me at all. “Pie in the sky.” Here are a few ideas that have occurred to me specifically in regards to this topic:

    -Over the past few decades the American population that lives in gated or planned communities has grow to something like 8 million people. This phenomenon should be studied — it is a form of secession. Link: more on this topic, here.

    -Alaska has had an independence party since the 1970’s. They received 4% of the vote this previous federal election. Over 50% of registered voters in Alaska are “unaffiliated”. Link: more on this topic, here.

    Second: The Sandy Hook Event — everyone is talking about gun control. Some ideas:

    -if you have children in school it is time to seriously consider home schooling. How many shooting have happened at schools in the last couple of years? The education system is broken and it is not going to get any better. In the past the one room school house was a great place to learn. Students could learn at their own pace and could excel if they were capable. You also have to consider that both students and teachers are consistently accused of crimes such as rape, assault, theft, etc. Other issues include cell phone and wifi health concerns.

    Third: The President Kennedy Assassination:

    -a book that I have read covering the JFK assassination that was interesting and thought provoking was George O’Toole’s, “The Assassination Tapes”. In the book he introduces a device called the voice stress analyzer (VSA) which is designed to determine whether a person is lying or not. The device is used to analyze audio recordings and objectively assesses whether a person is being truthful or not. Useful tool if you can invent it. Link: Book review on, here.

    Fourth: Words and Definitions — English does not have a language regulating body. It is almost impossible to have any kind of worthwhile discussion when there is no consensus as to definitions, etc. A sophist’s dream.

    Link: language academies/regulators, here.

    – An excerpt from George Orwell’s essay, “Politics and the English Language”, here.

    -Thomas Hobbes on definitions from, Leviathan, here.

    Fifth: The Constitution — if one is a constitutionalist does that mean the Constitution as it was originally written or with amendments? Which amendments? Slavery is specifically endorsed in the original, no?

    Sixth: The Definition of White Nationalist — I am still not sure if I am comfortable with the term “White”. The pigment of my skin is ‘light’ but so are a lot of other groups, too, like some Asians for example. Personally I am leaning towards the word “Indo-European”.

    The etymological origin of the word nation: [from] Middle English nacioun, from old French nacion, from Latin natio, “race,” “breed,” from nasci (past participle natus), to be born. (The full definition from my 1973 Heritage International Dictionary, here.)

    The definition of the world national(in part): adj. Devoted to one’s own nation or its interests; patriotic.
    n. A citizen of a particular nation. (The full definition from the 1973 Heritage English Dictionary, International Edition, here.)

    The definition of the word nationalism(in part): n. 1. Devotion to the interests of a particular nation. 2. In countries under foreign political or economic domination, aspirations for national independence. (The full definition from the 1973 Heritage English Dictionary, International Edition, here.)

    So if you are “White” you are a white national. A white national is a member of the White race. If you are a patriotic “White” then you are a White nationalist. The White nation is the group of people that is known as the white race. Currently the White race is a stateless nation. (The Jews were a stateless nation for thousands of years before they founded Israel.)

    (I do not know how to put links, etc., in this comment section (sorry!) so if you would like to visit the links I provided please visit:

  3. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 31, 2012 - 1:26 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: I promised Jason I wouldn’t argue about JFK, but I have no argument here. That picture is at least very, very close to the Lee Harvey Oswald snipers perch viewpoint on the 6th floor. (Possibly 5th floor below perch, camera out the window)
    I could have made that shot, also. But, maybe he just needed to get his nerve, much like a dog chases a car that is driving away. As I have mentioned before, while I could have made such a shot, I wouldn’t have had the balls to take the shot.

  4. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 31, 2012 - 12:38 am | Permalink


    So you claim to not make a claim, but then you make a claim. You say you aren’t really asserting anything. Then you say, well you are kind of “raising questions”. Then you say the parents are all a bunch of damn actors fake crying on TV. Then you say you aren’t really saying anything.

    Have fun everyone, arguing with a jellyfish.

  5. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Happy New Year, Trenchant!

  6. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 30, 2012 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: You’ll have to forgive me being cynical about Senator Isadore Lieberman’s reach in his own backyard. Also, please note I don’t make a case for the deaths being a hoax, I claim that the story, as it has been presented, is not kosher (maybe they are indeed dead, but not as per the Diane Sawyer/MSM/ school-yard massacre version). The Feds’ gag on the families involved allows no further insight.

    Acting I can spot, and crying without tears, on cue for cameras, with a hokey storyline, doesn’t convince. We’ll remain friendly but steadfastly opposed on this subjective evaluation.

    Truth doesn’t always win out. Were it only so.

  7. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 30, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    I have never been to Newtown CT but I have lived in towns like it. People know each other in those towns, people of some power and influence. I really doubt the ability of the powers that be to pull off a hoax about the death of children in such a town. There will be a lot of nonsense in the short run but the truth, to the extent that it can be known, will be known. We will learn far more than we want to know.

    All ask is that we not allow our well justified skepticism to turn into cynicism.

  8. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 30, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    @thm: I am sure that apart from the odd wink from people like Coppola (The Godfather II‘s Hyman Roth), the Jewish criminal network is still popularly unknown, and certainly not the fact that it dwarfs the Italo-American analogue. The media’s role in muddying the water was well highlighted by Garrison in the documentary. (Pity they didn’t also cover LBJ’s shady past. Cui bono applies to him, too.)

  9. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 30, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink


    There are a number of Jewish angles that the documentary doesn’t mention — such as the JFK/David Ben-Gurion conflict and Meyer Lansky’s Mossad connection, which were not public at the time that it was made.

  10. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 30, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: A belated Merry Christmas to you, and a productive 2013!

  11. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 29, 2012 - 11:48 pm | Permalink

    People act inappropriately all the time. It is well known that individuals handle grief differently, and some quite bizarrely. People have been known to laugh in the most inappropriate moments, due to psychological stress. Yes, most turn inward, but this is by no means a universal.

    To presume all these people, including the coroner, are just paid actors, and to make videos mocking them, and then go around promoting links to such videos, shows a stunning lack of character, common sense and compassion.

    And the bizarre “thinking” by the conspiracy theorists is again evident. Apparently, they live in a world in which everything they see on TV is totally fabricated, and they delight in mocking grieving parents as way of demonstrating they weren’t “fooled”. They are the counterpart to the person who is totally gullible and believes everything they see on TV.

    Notice that they don’t just “raise questions” – which is the phrase they like to use. They make absolute statements with no evidence at all. If all they were doing was “raising questions”, they would proceed more responsibly.

  12. December 29, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “People in grief behave in very strange ways, shock, denial, guilt for not protecting your child…… To me the oddness is that anyone would even think about appearing in front of a camera at such a time.”

    To me, your first statement possibly explains the second.

  13. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 29, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “To me the oddness is that anyone would even think about appearing in front of a camera at such a time. ”


  14. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 29, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @thm: Oh, I’m half-way through that History Channel presentation. Very good, but whilst La Cosa Nostra is scrutinized, its role as a subsidiary player to the Jewish mafia is not. I’m flabbergasted.

  15. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 29, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:All of the real parents have had individual visits by the authorities. It’s perfectly possible they don’t know what went on, either, but in any case have been advised to make no comment.

    Shooting do occur, and are indeed exploited for political effect (Breivik/Norway). But that doesn’t preclude engineered events when real ones don’t present themselves.

    On evil we’re in agreement. On who the actual malefactors are in this episode, we’ll agree to disagree. And as I’ve not been to Sandy Hook in person, nor know the parties concerned, I’m relying on the media and the authorities like most others, a media reality, in other words.

  16. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 29, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I certainly agree that there is already a full on press for gun control. But the notion this could be faked in a small, affluent town is not the same as witnesses in a congressional hearing. One is reality the other is always a kabuki theater. Terrible things do happen, evil exists. Would that it were all faked. The usual suspects simply exploit it.

  17. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 29, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: What happened to the children I don’t know, but the school shoot-out is no more convincing than the “grieving” TV parents (most of the parents have remained silent). And yes, I believe you’ll find some gun-control reform coming down the pike, with a kosher greeting card.

    What amazes me is that despite similar, fake performances – Iraqi-babies-in-incubators just one – the outrage people felt watching the performance wasn’t turned back on those who mounted the stunt. People cried at the act, and were dry-faced as real civilians and soldiers (not just the enemy, either) died are were injured in Gulf War I that followed.

  18. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 29, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    A parting shot (so as to speak):


    This snapshot was taken from the Sixth Floor Museum, apparently looking out of the window just next to the corner window that was the so-called “sniper’s perch.” (The reflecting pool is pointing a little to the shooter’s left, whereas it would have been pointing just barely to his right– almost directly at the “sniper’s perch”– if the shooter had been able to shoot his picture from there. The “sniper’s perch” is sealed off from the museum’s visitors, behind glass, as you know, Vlad.) How difficult of a shot would that have been for you, Vlad (assuming that you were of sufficient age, back on November 22, 1963, to wield a Mannlicher-Carcano)?

  19. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 29, 2012 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

    I’d have to agree with Jason and Alice here — the people putting cameras in the faces of people directly involved with the terrible tragedy of the murdered children are the bad guys here. Mocking those people because of their facial expressions, awkwardness of expression etc is extremely over the top and in the worst taste.

  20. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 29, 2012 - 10:46 am | Permalink

    I am afraid that you have lost me. Are you suggesting that no children were killed? That it was all a con to get gun control passed? What are you saying?

    People in grief behave in very strange ways, shock, denial, guilt for not protecting your child…… To me the oddness is that anyone would even think about appearing in front of a camera at such a time. The fact that the media is a sick and dangerous force which will use and distort every event they can does not mean that they are the cause of all events anymore than vultures are responsible for all deaths.

  21. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 29, 2012 - 4:37 am | Permalink


    Those Sandy Hooks videos claiming – you guessed it, a conspiracy – are the most inhuman thing I’ve seen recently. Mocking people who are dealing with a tragedy they’ve never confronted before is subhuman behavior by whoever produces this trash. Questioning how people – parents, caregivers and doctors – respond to a mass of 20 dead little children from their community is beyond bad taste.

    This is just ghoulishness. Putting up an obviously edited video to imply the coroner is some kind of CIA SLAVE is bonkers. This reminds me of all the heartless ghouls who mocked the families of people who died in other tragedies (or claimed they were all a bunch of paid off liars).

    Sick. Sick. Sick.

  22. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 29, 2012 - 1:57 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Not just the white coat, but several other performances in this episode are dubious. There is a rank stench of lies.

  23. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    If you accept, as I do, that those “grievers” are not, and that something quite different occurred, then righteous outrage against those who manipulate pity is all I have to offer. The cynicism on show isn’t novel, but such low tricks are generally left for bigger events with greater geopolitical import.

    The grief I’m more familiar with is not histrionic, nor laced with propagandistic lines, and certainly not saccharine like this. (Crying realistically and on cue, now that’s an acting skill that few can achieve convincingly, look at Meryl Streep’s or Glenn Close’s work-book).

    Let me not tar all the media with the same brush. You’ll note that the reporters seem genuinely confused and dissatisfied with the tone and content of the coroner’s remarks. But Dianne Sawyer, on the other hand, plays a role of succour, is supportive of the witness’ story, and her presence serves to anchor it in the public mind. Look at the lady’s pay-packet and her past work history, and realize she is the establishment.

    Hill & Knowlton do this shabby sort of thing well, but sadly we can’t reach Tom Lantos for his comment.

  24. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 28, 2012 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    You have never steered me wrong before, but unless your plan is to prove that even conspiracy theorists can be mad, that video reeks of inhumanity. What kind of monster asks why one should have the humanity and respect to return the remains of children to their parents for a decent burial before satisfying the curiosity of the sick minds of those who feed on all misery? Yes, the medical examiner was not smooth and polished. I am not sure how I would come off after examining the bodies of twenty of my community’s children and attempting to satisfy the press’s hunger for details of the youngest victim, their clothes and wounds. We truly do live in a sick and sad world. We no longer recognize basic decency. Beware that in fighting the enemy we do not become too much like him.

  25. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 28, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink


    Definitely an interesting link, which I did catch. Thanks.

  26. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 28, 2012 - 7:40 pm | Permalink


    By the way, you might notice the part 8 of the documentary series is missing. It was left out because it is the testimony of a woman who claims that she had an affair with Lee Harvey Oswald and its credibility has been called into question — it is not significant contentwise.

  27. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Quite so.

  28. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 28, 2012 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    @thm: In case you missed the link I put up, and were interested in the French/Israel/nuclear arms/JFK connection:

    Thanks for the documentary, which I will watch.

  29. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 28, 2012 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Here is a top-notch, professional quality documentary on the JFK assassination, originally run by the History Channel. It consists of eight videos with a running time of seven hours. I highly recommend this series if you would like to get up to speed on the issues of JFK murder and the problems with the single shooter theory. The findings were so controversial that the History Channel stopped offering it for sale. Thanks to the YouTube channel that preserved it.

    Vlad, if you watch this, I doubt you will hold to your “Oswald was the sole shooter” assertion!

    JFK assassination documentary

  30. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 28, 2012 - 2:05 pm | Permalink


    . . . like, say, Dr. James J. Humes?


    The Autopsy Report

    The evidence that a draft autopsy report—as well as a first signed version—existed prior to the report in evidence today is both easy to understand, and undeniable.

    The First Draft

    On November 24, 1963 the chief pathologist at President Kennedy’s autopsy, Dr. James J. Humes, signed a typed statement he had prepared that read as follows:

    “I, James J. Humes, certify that I have destroyed by burning certain preliminary draft notes relating to Naval Medical School Autopsy Report A63-272 and have officially transmitted all other papers related to this report to higher authority.” [Author’s emphasis]

    On two occasions before the HSCA, in March of 1977 and in September of 1978, Dr. Humes maintained that he had destroyed notes. He repeated this claim in an interview published by the Journal of the American Medical Association in May of 1992. The reasons given in each case were that the notes were destroyed because they had on them the blood of the President, which Dr. Humes deemed unseemly.

    The ARRB General Counsel, Jeremy Gunn, had reason to suspect that an early draft of the autopsy report had also been destroyed, based upon an analysis of inconsistencies between Dr. Humes’ previous testimony about when he wrote the draft report, and existing records documenting its transmission to higher authority. After extremely thorough and persistent questioning by the Review Board’s General Counsel in February of 1996, Dr. Humes admitted, under oath, that both notes from the autopsy, and a first draft of the autopsy report (which had been prepared well after the autopsy’s conclusion and had no blood on it), had been destroyed in his fireplace.

    The First Signed Version

    A simple study of the receipt trail for the transmission of the autopsy report reveals that the first signed report is missing as well.

    On April 26, 1965 the Secret Service transferred the autopsy photographs and x-rays, and certain vital documents and biological materials to the custody of the Kennedy family at the request of Robert F. Kennedy. That receipt lists, among other things:

    “Complete autopsy protocol of President Kennedy (orig, & 7 cc’s)—Original signed by Dr. Humes, pathologist.”

    Evelyn Lincoln, secretary to the late President Kennedy, signed for receipt of all of the items the same day.

    Incredibly, on October 2, 1967 the head of the Secret Service signed a letter transferring the original of CE 387, the autopsy report placed in evidence by the Warren Commission, to the National Archives; the National Archives signed a receipt for CE 387 the next day, October 3, 1967.

    Warren Commission Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin, in a declassified transcript of a January 27, 1964 Executive Session of the Commission, discusses details of the content of “the autopsy report” which are not consistent with the details of the report in evidence today, CE 387, thus confirming that the first signed version contained different conclusions.

    The dilemma presented here can best be summarized by the following rhetorical question: How could the U.S. Secret Service transfer the original JFK autopsy protocol to the National Archives (or to anyone else, for that matter) on October 2, 1967 when they had previously given it to the Kennedy family on April 26, 1965? The answer, of course, is that there were two separate reports. The first smooth, or signed version, was given to the Kennedy family at the specific request of Robert Kennedy, and has disappeared. The second signed version is in the National Archives today.


    The destruction of both the first draft and the first signed version of the autopsy report are clear evidence of the ongoing malleability of the autopsy report’s specific conclusions during the initial 2 weeks following the conclusion of the post mortem examination. Furthermore, it is clear that when Dr. Humes testified under oath to the Review Board that there was only one autopsy report, and that he only signed one autopsy report, he committed perjury.



  31. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 27, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Always trust the guy in the white coat, he’s the authority voice.

  32. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 26, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:


    Hundreds of pages could be written detailing similar examples of Bugliosi’s omitting or distorting the evidence. And yet the reviews published in major news outlets have been favorable. The Los Angeles Times’ reviewer, Jim Newton, even hailed Reclaiming History as “a book for the ages.” [59] [F-22] The mainstream media, relying upon reviewers who have no particular knowledge of the assassination, dependably bow to the official version. This pattern dates to the release of the Warren Report on September 27, 1964 when New York Times reporter Anthony Lewis falsely reassured the public, “The Commission made public all the information it had bearing on the events in Dallas, whether agreeing with its findings or not.” [60] Similarly, The Times’ Assistant Managing Editor, Harrison Salisbury, having read none of the 26 volumes of supporting evidence, nevertheless announced, “No material question now remains unresolved so far as the death of President Kennedy is concerned.” [61] The lead taken by the paper of record from day one has been largely followed ever since. Thus, the national press also gushed over Gerald Posner’s anti-conspiracy book, Case Closed, a book that was savaged in a prescient review by George Costello in the Mar./Apr. 1994 issue of the Federal Bar News & Journal (the predecessor of The Federal Lawyer). I say “prescient” because there is no small irony in the fact that Costello has found stout vindication for his criticism of Case Closed from an unexpected, highly acclaimed expert – Vincent Bugliosi.

    In Reclaiming History, Bugliosi lands a well-deserved barrage of punches on Posner for distortion and misrepresentation, quoting, among other things, a review by Jonathan Kwitney for the Los Angeles Times – one of the few negative reviews besides Costello’s that Posner’s book received. [62] Bugliosi quotes Kwitney’s astute observation that Posner “presents only the evidence that supports the case he’s trying to build, framing this evidence in a way that misleads readers who aren’t aware that there’s more to the story.” [63] Bugliosi then hastens to assure readers that he is no Posner: “I can assure the conspiracy theorists who have very effectively savaged Posner in their books that they’re going to have a much, much more difficult time with me. As a trial lawyer in front of a jury and an author of true-crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. My only master and my only mistress are the facts and objectivity. I have no others. The theorists may not agree with my conclusions, but in this work on the assassination I intend to set forth all of their main arguments, and the way they, not I, want them to be set forth, before I seek to demonstrate their invalidity. I will not knowingly omit or distort anything. However, with literally millions of pages of documents on this case, there are undoubtedly references in some of them that conspiracy theorists feel are supportive of a particular point of theirs, but that I simply never came across.” [64] Bugliosi’s attempt to cover himself in that final sentence is obviously inadequate, as this review has shown that he has omitted numerous significant but inconvenient points that he had to have come across. Bugliosi, it seems, will always be a prosecutor.

    But Bugliosi’s prosecutorial habits were invisible to the New York Times’ reviewer, Bryan Burrough, who was so smitten with Reclaiming History that he wrote on May 20, 2007 that conspiracy believers should henceforth “be ridiculed, even shunned … marginalized … the way we’ve marginalized smokers … [made to] stand in the rain with the other outcasts.” [65] His slur elicited a remarkable reaction in the form of a letter to the editor published on June 17, 2007. It was remarkable not so much for the facts it laid out, but because the Grey Lady, which has consistently backed the Warren report, for once permitted her readers to see them.

    Washington Post journalist Jefferson Morley, one-time BBC correspondent Anthony Summers, Norman Mailer, and the aforementioned David Talbot wrote: “The following people to one degree or another suspected that President Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, and said so either publicly or privately: Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon; Attorney General Robert Kennedy; John Kennedy’s widow, Jackie; his special advisor dealing with Cuba at the United Nations, William Attwood; FBI director J. Edgar Hoover [!]; Senators Richard Russell (a Warren Commission member), and Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart (both of the Senate Intelligence Committee), seven of the eight congressmen on the House Assassinations Committee and its chief counsel, G. Robert Blakey; the Kennedy associates Joe Dolan, Fred Dutton, Richard Goodwin, Pete Hamill, Frank Mankiewicz, Larry O’Brien, Kenneth O’Donnell and Walter Sheridan; the Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who rode with the president in the limousine; the presidential physician, Dr. George Burkley; Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago; Frank Sinatra; and ‘60 Minutes’ producer Don Hewitt.” [66] One could assemble a list of thoughtful and well-known skeptics that is several times as long as this one.



    Sadly, Vlad, I am on the wagon. Drink up! :-)

  33. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 25, 2012 - 9:40 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You are probably right – I’m going to quit arguing over JFK when I don’t think it serves a pro-white purpose.
    However, is DK pro-white?

  34. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 24, 2012 - 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to scold a bit. We have 500 posts on this thread. How many of them are about Whites or secession? The majority are about various conspiracy theories. Argument over JFK that guys were having 40 years ago.

    How many man-hours were wasted on just this thread? Between reading suggested material, clicking on links, composing posts, reading retorts … I would conservatively put it at over 400 man-hours (at least a minute to read a post, at least a minute to write one – and this omits all the time spent reading various links, etc). To what end? Could those 400 hours have been spent actually doing something pro-White?

    I would submit our opponents love this. We aren’t doing anything productive and we are tying up the time of those who could. I would say it is a shame to see highly intelligent people derailed like this. That’s my opinion.

  35. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 24, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: No, I don’t think he is a prophet, in fact, he is a non-believer. OK, that was a joke. I believe what he wrote in his book is true, and he smashed Mark Lane to bits in their debate. He ridicules Mark Lane in his book, and yet Marky doesn’t sue, because he is afraid of ole Vinny.
    Obviously, you are smart and a skeptic. Usually, when I meet someone as smart as you who is a skeptic, they just don’t believe the government because they are invested in a world view that won’t let the governments case be right, so they find little bits that they think disprove the govt, and go with it.
    There are too many moving pieces to this case to argue back and forth online. I’d love to talk about it over a beer, so if you are ever in the Old South, and you have read Vinnie B’s book, let’s argue all night about it. Otherwise, as Colonel Jessup said to Tom Cruise’s character in “A Few Good Men”, you can’t handle the truth!
    If you read his book, and you still don’t believe, I’ll buy the first hundred bucks worth of beer, and flip you for the rest if we are still arguing.
    Leaning forward=apparent upward angle
    Rifle model was used by Italian Olympic competition shooters, many experts have hit three head shots with it, especially when the target is moving directly away – EZ, almost same presentation as a stationary target.
    Rifle was dropped when LHO tried to hide it quick – could have knocked the scope out of alignment.
    Would you try to frame someone with a misaligned scope?
    Anyway, I’m done arguing with you online, unless you read his book. He is not infallible, but as smart as you are, I believe you will see the light, if you will open that book up and read it all the way through, as I have.

  36. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 24, 2012 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    You obviously believe that Vincent Bugliosi is a prophet, and that his book is sacred text, Vlad. No, I never prosecuted a murder case; unlike you, however, I was a practicing lawyer, and I did help prosecute a federal criminal case, as a psychological legal consultant. I also did white-collar criminal defense, among other things, as a practicing lawyer, including work on some headline cases.

    I do not have to visit the Sixth Floor Museum to know that the easiest shot was when the limousine rounded the corner, slowing to a crawl, with Kennedy facing directly toward the sixth-floor window, as his limousine made that exaggerated turn. There were no trees in the way of such a potential shot. Looking out of that window, toward the corner of Houston and Elm Streets, there were no trees blocking the view. The first tree along Elm Street, in front of the TSBD, on that side of the street, was to the right of that corner window, looking out from the interior of the TSBD, onto Dealey Plaza.

    I assume that that was also the case when you visited Dealey Plaza, many years later. I have not been to Dallas since 1969, and I do not recall the public landscaping….

    The trajectory of the so-called “Magic Bullet” of Arlen Specter’s “Single-Bullet Theory” hardly went from that window to Governor Connally’s wrist, in a straight line. The theory is that it entered the President’s rear– they say his neck, when, in fact, it was nearly six inches down his back, to the right of his spine– and then exited his throat– which the doctors and nurses considered an entrance wound, not an exit wound, because of its small size, and which was, at any rate, on an upward angle from the wound in his back!– and then wounded Connally in various places, while moving in a downward trajectory, once again. The Zapruder film clearly shows Kennedy’s reacting to being shot well before Connally reacts to being shot, and Connally was adamant, for the remainder of his life, that he was struck by a later bullet than the one that first hit Kennedy.

    As for the ease of the final shot, it is hardly the easy shot that you claim– as the Warren Commission’s own expert sharpshooters made clear! It allegedly was made as the last of a series of shots, and was made at a moving target, going slightly downhill, in a car that was changing its velocity, as the driver reacted to the situation– and it was allegedly made through the foliage of one of the aforementioned trees, lining Elm Street, and with a dubious Italian war-surplus rifle with a misaligned scope. (If you planned to kill the President of the United States– albeit, for no particular reason– would you not at least go to the trouble of fixing your cheap rifle’s scope, first, Vlad?)

  37. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 24, 2012 - 12:16 am | Permalink

    Hey DK, I love IQ tests, I’m a member of Mensa!
    When I’m referring to the shot, I mean the last of three shots, yes. As far as under 6 seconds, it was really slightly over 6 seconds, and since the timer starts on the first shot, you only have to reload, acquire the target, and fire every three seconds. If you can’t do better than that, well, I don’t believe the Marines would have considered you a good shot, much less a sharpshooter or marksman.
    As far as the trace metal fragments taken from Connelly’s body from the less than pristine bullet, why yes, they can be traced from being fired out of Oswald’s gun, and they do not (including the non-pristine bullet) accumulate to more weight than the original bullet weight. Oh, you didn’t read Vinnie’s book, did you, or you would have known that, right? Any book that you read that didn’t get that rather important fact right is kind of disqualified!
    Bad scope you say? Maybe he used the fixed metal sights!
    I have noticed you don’t claim to have actually read your prized copy of the Warren Commission report…
    As for the picture, no one disputes the open car theory, but go up to the sniper’s perch, like I have, and see which shot is truly easier – coming toward you at an angle, or going straight away. Plus, remember the trees!
    Did you ever successfully prosecute a murder case, or get an acquittal in one? I wager no, because you don’t tie your arguments to provable evidence, you just throw it out there and hope it sticks.
    If you read Vinnie B’s book and still don’t buy it, at least you will have a more complete education on this subject.
    The bullet trajectory is a straight line from the sniper’s perch to Connelly’s right wrist, as you well know, where it rebounded into his left leg, from whence it was transported to Parkland.

  38. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I should have added its alleged trajectory, through both the President and the Governor, as one of its supposedly magical attributes!

  39. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    P.S. By the way, Vlad, in almost every one of your comments on this subject, here, you have talked about “the shot,” and about how hard or easy it was (with the latter opinion being your own choice). Not for the first time, here, Vlad, I must point out that there was not A SHOT; there was a MINIMUM OF THREE SHOTS! They were fired in under six seconds, and two of the shots were, according to many if not most earwitnesses, fired so close together that they could not possibly have been fired by Lee Oswald, nor anyone else, firing the alleged murder weapon. That weapon also had a misaligned scope, which did not lend itself to ANY “easy” shots!

    Also, that nearly pristine bullet that was found on a hallway floor at Parkland Memorial Hospital, after supposedly falling off of either President Kennedy’s or Governor Connally’s stretcher, while one was being moved by an employee, who pushed it against a wall, inadvertently banging it into the other stretcher, is the bullet that has become famously known as “the Magic Bullet” of Arlen Specter’s own “Single-Bullet Theory” (which, of course, is the official, and wholly necessary, theory of the Warren Commission itself, as well as of its supporters). That bullet from Parkland Memorial Hospital, however, was found to be missing less of its original mass than the total mass of the many bullet fragments extracted by doctors at Parkland from Governor Connally’s multiple wounds. That, in addition to its nearly pristine appearance, is why it is called “the Magic Bullet!”

  40. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 23, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    There is no need to apologize, Vlad. This is merely an on-line exchange of comments– and one that is irrelevant to the post to which these comments have been added, at that! I said, at the beginning, that I did not care to re-litigate the assassination here; there are many dedicated sites that have been doing just that, for decades. (Besides, I am not a “White Nationalist,” anyway.)

    As for that picture, Vlad, you still miss the point completely: it was taken at an earlier point in the motorcade, as I noted, not in Dealey Plaza. To anyone with even a passable ability to rotate images in their mind, however, it is obvious that a shot at President Kennedy from the alleged “sniper’s perch” in the TSBD, as his limousine rounded the corner from Houston onto Elm, and then passed in front of the TSBD, including the infamous sixth-floor window, would have presented a clear target of both his head and his chest– and done so when his limousine was both at its closest point to the window and traveling at its slowest speed. No “lone nut” assassin would have passed on that shot, and waited until the limousine was down the street, past the TSBD, before opening fire, from behind– period! That is the point of the picture– to demonstrate just how open of a target JFK was, then and there, and how Governor Connally, sitting in the jump seat directly in front of him, would have obscured only a shot from out in front of the limousine. (If you have available some long-lost Polaroid snapshot that Lee Oswald took of the presidential limousine, for posterity, as it rounded the corner, from Houston onto Elm, feel free to post it for us. That could finally explain why he was unable to shoot one or more bullets, at that point in time, instead….)

    I am not bragging about my having been a lawyer, Vlad. I happen to regret greatly that I was. My being trained and experienced in the law, however, is highly relevant to my being able to understand the entire affair, including the bogus nature of the Warren Commission and its supposedly definitive report. So is my having been trained both in History (B.A.) and, to a lesser extent, in Psychology (M.S.). I also am trained in some other things– e.g., English (B.A.) and Business (M.B.A.); neither of those things, however, nor my experience as a manager in Fortune 500 companies, is particularly relevant to this matter.

    As for my having a very high I.Q., it is simply a matter of fact; and it is, in fact, the single best asset to bring to solving problems, like the issue of what really happened, on November 22, 1963, in Dallas. It is funny how people who take IQ very seriously, when it comes to racial differences, suddenly find it utterly beside the point, or even beneath their contempt, when someone who has a particularly high IQ has opinions with which those people happen to disagree. Go figure…. Having a particularly high IQ, and a surfeit of higher education, also allows one to be a fairly good judge of the credibility of various authors and their proffered evidence. Your theory that you read the canonical book on the JFK assassination, among the few that you have managed or bothered to read, while I have wasted decades reading ludicrous tripe, not even being able to discern that it was ludicrous tripe, is hardly a credible or plausible theory, in its own right.

  41. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 23, 2012 - 12:07 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: No one would have taken a shot from the TSBD from anywhere except the 6th floor, because it was the only unoccupied one, except for LHO. In fact, the negroes on the 5th floor below Oswald heard the shots and the shell casings hit the floor above them.
    I guess I don’t really understand what you mean by your picture. It doesn’t possibly present a view of the limousine consistent with the turn from Houston Street except well beyond the turn, headed down Elm toward I35, and really about the level someone would have been on the grassy knoll, or the far west corner of the TSBD, and if you were shooting from the 1st floor of the TSBD, which is the elevation of the grassy knoll, 200 people would have witnessed you standing right beside Abraham Zapruder. Plus, trees would have block the view if you were above the first floor in many places. The fact that it shows him in an open limo is pretty insignificant, everyone actually agrees on the fact he was in an open limo and that he was shot. Any relevant photo from the TSBD should state exactly where to be helpful, and especially show the trees at on the same day, since it was fall and the leaves where at least lighter.
    I should have followed my own advice and not debated anyone who hasn’t read Bugliosi’s book. You may be an attorney, but I doubt you or Blakey can touch his murder conviction record. If you read 40 books on the assasination, why are you scared to read another? I believe Oswald did it, Bugliosi proves it to my satisfaction. I don’t mind people not believing that, nor do I mind if they think the Mossad did it. I just mainly hate people throwing out stupid crap about how hard the shot was, magic or pristine bullet crapola, or that they had triangulation of fire, or that they shot from the grassy knoll, or from the railroad overpass (a truly stupid idea but the only place for a frontal shot for the final hit) and idiotic crap about the blood splatter, or that Marina didn’t take the picture of LHO with the murder weapon in the backyard. (She is still alive, Vinnie B talked to her) Especially, I don’t like half baked opinions from people who haven’t visited all the sights, as I have.
    If you have read forty books on JFK’s assasination, but not Bugliosi’s, it is like going to Harvard law but not taking the bar exam. You just haven’t completed the job, no matter how much you protest about your credentials. If 30 of the books were junk, written by pathetic posers making up stupid stories, what did it profit you to read them?
    OK, so you are an attorney and seem to be proud of that fact. I have an attorney in the family, and I used to be married to one. They don’t really impress me that much. Most engineers I’ve known are smarter, and usually make more money than all but the best attorneys.
    Anyway, it is too tiresome to argue this online. I’d be happy to do it in person, but I’m sure as heck not going to pay you for your time. Honestly, I hope the jews were behind it and they get caught, and kicked out of America, and have to move into Anglo-Saxon’s neighborhood somewhere in England!
    Anyway, I feel like I’ve been out of line towards you and others who believe in white nationalism, and i think we’d get along fine in person, so please accept my apologies for being rude.

  42. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 22, 2012 - 2:21 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:This is quite an interesting review by an Israeli of Final Judgment, highlighting the flaws you identified, ie. the circumstantiality of his case. He offers a corrective of MPC’s reading of Israeli politics, too. That notwithstanding, he doesn’t discount the thesis of Israeli involvement, although he does indulge in some rationalization thereof.

  43. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 22, 2012 - 1:00 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    You quote exactly what I wrote, Vlad, when I posted that picture of the Kennedy motorcade, yet you falsely imply that I was claiming that the picture was taken from the “sniper’s perch” in the TSBD!?! Mind boggling! The sole point of that picture was to illustrate that a shot at Kennedy from the TSBD– as his limousine rounded the corner, making well over a 100-degree turn, and slowing to just a few miles per hour, to do so– would have presented an unobstructed view of both Kennedy’s head and chest to any would-be assassin in the supposed “sniper’s perch” in the TSBD. Governor Connally, sitting in front of the president, in the limousine’s jump seat, would have been an obstruction only to a frontal shot. That is obvious from that photograph, and the fact that it was taken from elsewhere in the motorcade is utterly irrelevant; the relative positions of the car seats and their passengers did not change, over the course of the motorcade– until after the two men had been shot! The jump seats were at a lower level than the back seat occupied by the President and First Lady, too, presenting an even more open target to a would-be assassin.

    I said that I have read “scores” of books on the assassination, Vlad, not “a score.” That means a minimum of forty such books– not a mere twenty, maximum. In fact, I own more books on the assassination– including an original 1964 printing of the Warren Report– than you apparently have read about it, to date, over the course of nearly half a century.

    There are no “professionals” when it comes to the assassination per se, Vlad. They do not hand out doctorates (nor even lower academic degrees), let alone provide any professional licences, for assassination researchers. I was once a professional attorney, just as Vincent Bugliosi was. I did not become an “amateur” one, simply because I retired and moved on to other endeavors, as Bugliosi also did. He was hardly the first attorney to tackle the Kennedy assassination. For instance, Notre Dame law professor G. Robert Blakey, who was a senior Justice Department lawyer under Bobby Kennedy, during his brother’s administration, and a primary author of the (in)famous federal RICO statute, believes that there was a conspiracy, and has written two books on the subject. He served as the Chief Counsel and Staff Director for the U.S. House of Representatives’ Select Committee on Assassinations, back in the late 1970s. I dare say that his professional credentials, vis-a-vis the Kennedy assassination, trump those of Mr. Bugliosi.

  44. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 22, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Thank you, Alice. Sometimes I think they know what we mean, but they twist it anyway for their own purposes.

  45. December 21, 2012 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Thanks so much for linking Seymour Hersh’s The Sampson Option online! I’m 20 pages into it and it’s already a fascinating look at how Israelis and pro-Israeli U.S. Jews insinuated themselves into U.S. intelligence agencies, just as they do in so many other areas. The book also gives a good sense of how much resistance, or at least resentment, there has been to that within the agencies.

    The book begins with discussion of Israel’s access to high resolution photographs from the U.S.’s game-changing HK 11 surveillance satellite:

    In little more than two years, the Israelis had expanded what had been a limited agreement to the point where they were able to extract virtually any photograph they wished from the system.

    “The Israelis did everything except task [target] the bird,” one disturbed military man acknowledges.

    “You didn’t know where to complain,” Bader said. “We knew that these guys [the Israelis] had access that went around the colonels and the deputy assistant secretaries. If a complaint got to the wrong office,”
    he explained, “you might get your head handed back to you.”

    And of course who could resist citing this, spoken after Israel’s bombing of Iraq’s nuclear facility based on intelligence from those HK 11 satellite photos:

    “If the nuclear reactor had not been destroyed,” Begin
    said, “another Holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish people. There will never be another Holocaust. . . Never again! Never again!”
    Any of you who would like to see the terms “anti-white” and “white genocide” go up on Obama’s Billboard, where all whites passing by can see them, and soak them up, please add some names to this month’s version of our messages:

  46. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 21, 2012 - 9:53 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    This article from Commentary demonstrates both that Jews and Christians can use the same words and mean entirely different things by them and the unending hostility to all things Christian. Hope you can make use of it too.

  47. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 21, 2012 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I was quite happy with Collins Piper’s treatment of the Israeli’s, but I may also cite the Hersh book when people defend the Zionists. I have really raised my opinion of JFK from MCP’s book, thanks for the recommendation. His premise that everyone ignored the jews is a great contribution from him.
    I like him, and appreciate what he is trying to do, but I like to start with forensics, then weave a tale that fits. MCP’s tale is superb, and believable, but not supported enough by the facts he presented, at least to the point I read. I don’t blame anyone for believing his tale, and I hope he can prove it someday, like I believe Bugliosi has with his 10 books in one tome.

  48. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 20, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Seymor Hersh’s The Samson Option was richly mined by Collins Piper to flesh out the fractious Ben Gurion/Kennedy relationship. If this is more your thing:

  49. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 20, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:Bugliosi makes no comment about the appropriateness of CFR members – an establishment body if there ever were one – forming part of the Warren Commission.

  50. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 20, 2012 - 8:42 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Between the jews and the CIA, anything is possible. I definitely learned something about JFK and his battle with the Israelis over their illegal nuke program, and the book exposes many jewish misdeeds, which is always important.
    Bugliosi’s mock trial may not have carried the penalty of perjury, but alot was on the line and people hate to be caught in a lie in public, or made to look foolish. Additionally, the defense attorney was Gary Spence, a very talented attorney.
    He debated Mark Lane in public, too, and wiped him out. In his book, he called Lane a bunch of names, and Lane was afraid to sue him for slander.

  51. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 20, 2012 - 2:38 am | Permalink

    Of course, I cannot prove either that the USS LIBERTY wasn’t an accident, and that the various government commissions/inquiries that concur with this account aren’t completely candid and reliable.

  52. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 20, 2012 - 2:27 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:Perhaps some years ago I would have thought irrelevant JFK’s intractable opposition towards Israel’s nuclear ambitions to the circumstance of his death. Now I am not prepared to exclude that. There was motive, there was ability, so Israel and the Jewish criminal network must be added to the list of suspects.

    Oswald was never tried, Ruby died, and I believe a commission is pitched at the balance of probabilities, and not the more rigorous standard of a prosecution for homicide. (Bugliosi’s mock trial doesn’t expose witnesses to the risk of perjury, so can be little more than an academic exercise).

  53. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 20, 2012 - 2:07 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Fair enough. Of course it’s only circumstantial evidence, nothing else could be expected if indeed there were parts of the State intimately involved in the assassination. What executioner would preserve his own crime scene that he be found guilty in a judicial process of his own framing?

  54. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 20, 2012 - 12:57 am | Permalink

    DK: This post you made is why I insulted your knowledge about the JFK assassination. You didn’t check your work well enough, or you don’t know enough about Dealey Plaza to know this picture couldn’t have come from the 6th floor sniper’s perch. It renders your opinions on the subject rather suspect, and your claims of a legal degree unimpressive.
    How could you have read 20 books on the assassination, and countless documentaries, and missed something so basic?
    Why would I pay an amateur to come debate me if you can’t get something so simple as this right? Look at what you wrote, look at the picture you linked to in your post, then find a view from the sniper’s perch, and prove me wrong.

    You wrote, “This is from a different point in the presidential motorcade, but it was taken from a slightly elevated perspective, and it clearly shows how unobstructed a shot at President Kennedy would have been available to a would-be assassin, lying in wait, in the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, as the presidential limousine rounded the corner, off of Houston Street and around onto Elm Street:

  55. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 20, 2012 - 12:36 am | Permalink

    Trenchant, I can’t continue any longer. I have made it to page 299 and they are saying the Mossad couldn’t make the shot from 88 yards with better equipment. I tell you, I and a million other people could make the shot. I’ve been on the 6th floor, it is a makeable shot. The author has to be making that up based upon third hand speculation by amateurs.
    My other criticisms:
    1. The Grace Pratt sighting of Ruby getting on a plane – no evidence of the film footage exists to authenticate it, no examination can be made to prove it, it is pure hearsay.
    2. The “stand down letter” concerning the investigation into the attempt on General Walker. Again, why not produce the letter? Was no attempt made to get the letter? No proof exists that the letter is real, so it is bogus to cite it.
    3. April 9th, 1963 rescue of Banque Credit International, BCI, a supposedly wealthy Jewish bank. Apparently, they needed a paltry 7.5 million to survive, but they funded Mossad all over the world?
    4. Lansky’s courier with inside information of the assasination speaking on a tape somewhere, but the tape was never introduced into evidence. Hearsay, again.

    Now, I like the premise that the Israeli’s hated Kennedy and wanted him dead. Also, the author weaves a convincing tale about Jews and conspiracies everywhere, and nefarious doings by Jews, hey, we all love that kind of story. But, the book seems full of innuendo and guilt by association. While it may be true, it isn’t proven.
    I tried really hard to read it, but I’m giving up. I hope you can read Bugliosi’s book, but since I couldn’t live up to my end of the deal, obviously, I can’t expect you to finish his book.

  56. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: To appreciate the power of Zionist interests even in the Truman administration, it is revealing to consider the Forrestal’s infaust end.

  57. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 17, 2012 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:Let’s just say that this book has got enemies in the publishing houses, and is not available via Kindle. Amazon has copies.

    Bugliosi, by the way, doesn’t mention the Israelis nor the Jews in his list of potential conspirators, thereby avoiding any refutation.

  58. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 17, 2012 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Even after all this time you have a gift for framing issues which makes me reevaluate. Well said.

  59. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 17, 2012 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I downloaded it – give me a couple of weeks to read it!
    Is there a kindle edition?

  60. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 17, 2012 - 12:39 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I inadvertantly witnessed a “puppy mill” one time. My wife wanted to buy a specific breed of puppy for her niece, so she found an ad for AKC registered puppies, and made the arrangements. I drove her out to the countryside, and we happened upon a little trailer. The lady lived inside it with all her dogs barking away, each in an individual cage. She filled out the form “certifying” the thoroughbred status of the dog, and off we went, not sure to this day how we felt about the situation, other than to be happy we weren’t in it, as either dog or caretaker.
    Of course, I’m sure the hymies think that is where we all belong – in those cages, naked and waiting to be fed, being bred to serve and entertain them.

  61. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 17, 2012 - 12:10 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: I agree with your points, I stated my position poorly. I should have said the whites and non-whites supporting our displacement and benefitting from it love immigration and have no reason to stop it now. I don’t see how we can stop them, they have the power and it gets stronger with each passing day. I believe wholesale economic misery might make people stop wanting to come here, so I await the economic troubles I believe will follow from our misguided and hostile government’s policies.

  62. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 16, 2012 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I would say most of our political leaders, who are White, are acting as anti-Whites. regardless of their internal monologue. Newt, Haley Barber and of course all the liberals are White, but have zero loyalty to Whites.

    You may be right that some of them don’t view themselves as anti-White, but I would say, what would you call someone who is indifferent to the destruction of his family, who promotes policies that hurt his family, who gets angry at anyone in the family that protests their destruction? I would say you are dealing with a sociopathic character.

  63. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 16, 2012 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Non-Whites have a monopoly on power in the United States?!? The fact that the overwhelmingly White governments in this country– at the federal, state and local levels– are largely dedicated to Globalism, multiculturalism, political correctness, and cronyism does not mean that people like Boehner and Pelosi, McConnell and Reed, Roberts and Kennedy, et al., are not Whites. It just means that they are pro- those other things, instead of pro-White. Unlike many of our non-White leaders, those White leaders do not, even in their hearts of hearts, I am sure, think of themselves as anti-White. They merely see themselves as transcendental figures– citizens of the world, who improve this country by improving the entire world, and making it more interdependent. Their sad illusions do not mean that they are either non-White or intentionally anti-White, at least in their own minds.

  64. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 16, 2012 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Don’t sweat it too much. If it doesn’t enthuse you early on, dump it and we’ll concentrate on other points of agreement.

  65. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 16, 2012 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Unless you have just won the lottery, using your real name on here wouldn’t help you out very much. Even then, since most people go broke after winning the lottery, you should give some money to this site immediately to do some good.

  66. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 16, 2012 - 8:50 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:D.K., you suggest we End Immigration Immediately – all I can say is, of course.
    How do you propose to convince the people in charge (non whites who are gleeful at our displacement) to give up their monopoly on power and stop gaining an advantage of another million people a year who hate us?

  67. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 16, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Thank you, Trenchant, for ordering that copy of Vincent Bugliosi’s book “Reclaiming History”.
    I will reciprocate – which book did you suggest I read on the subject of the murder of JFK?

  68. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 16, 2012 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Maybe you’d care to share your thoughts on the recent strength of the Parti Québécois separatist movement, whose platform is redolent of Le Pen’s.

  69. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 15, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, I suppose it simply comes from living and listening. I am a very average American. I truly bear no ill will toward any other group. I have simply, reluctantly, come to see that we have all been lead to believe in lies. Never a good basis on which to build a future.

  70. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 15, 2012 - 9:31 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Alice Teller:

    You have a way of saying things about the plight of European ethnic people that many could relate to and be drawn in by, IMHO.

  71. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 15, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, I actually like some of the Twilight Zone episodes, but you sure nailed it, as far as my opinion goes, when it came to his moralizing. Every third episode seems to involve some kind of moral lesson, many of which are as silly as some of the corny, (again, in my opinion) Frank Capra movies, where Americans always win out against “evil”, due to their inherit honesty, truthfullness, uprightness, etc.etc. Fairy tale stories, often made to cheer people up during the trying times of the great depression, when Americans were being screwed by the banks, just like today.

  72. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 15, 2012 - 7:17 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    thanks man…I was just representing my perception of the statistical features that we have. I’m not personally a lot of those things. I’m young, beautiful, witty and have very big hands and feet if you know what I mean. In fact I’m practically perfect in almost every way…and Mickey Meadows is my real name see here

  73. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 14, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    “Almost all of us are too afraid to use our real identites.”

    i wouldn’t feel too bad about that. I wouldn’t recommend anyone use their real name even in a sports chat room. As to the dangers of being known as pro white, we can’t diminish them. We really are dissidents, in almost the exact same way those who opposed the USSR were dissidents. Antiwhites are vicious, unethical, and fully in command of most assets in the country.

    I just say that because, for the most part, it doesn’t do me any good for someone to drop their real name here. They just become a target for the SPLC and potentially become neutralized.

    There was a time when people could still speak out as pro white and live safely. The last generation who could do that was the World War II generation. Sadly, they had little interest in doing so, Too busy telling us how they had saved us from speaking German. Comprendo?

  74. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 12:52 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:
    Thanks HD. Discontent is often the beginning of change. Young people are angry and looking for answers. It is our obligation to provide them – without hysteria, overkill, or adulation of the Divine Avatar. After all, who is well served by the current regime? I think that the overreach and gross incompetence exhibited by the Obama crowd has been an eye opener. Women in their thirties and forties are genuinely shocked that childbearing, much less a man worth procreating with, is not always something you can get around to at your leisure. I know many women who cannot bring themselves to attend another wedding or baby shower.

    Bright men have divided into two camps. Those who bought into the system learn that the price is higher and the rewards lower than they expected. Those who opted out are discovering that there are fewer places to hide and protect your family. I am actually banking on kids in their twenties. They have been the most complaint, protected, rule bound crowd in centuries. Now they must face the fact that they are drowning in student debt and lucky to get a job waiting tables – after graduating from some of the best schools in the country! Reality is intruding on our multicultural dream.

    Keep up the good work herding cats!

  75. December 14, 2012 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    The most Gifted and Talented…I sure hope they show up soon! You painted an honest picture in your post…I certainly fall within your generalizations…we desperately need people more able than most of us to come and get things moving…organize demonstrations, think of things to do that are effective. I cannot organize demonstrations (I can’t even organize my desk top), but I’m ready to go to some if someone else will organize them, if the plans show a reasonable prospect of offering safety, as the one KM attended did, and someone will give me a ride.

    “I went down…to the demonstration…to get my…fair share of abuse…” Ah, those were the days. Now I feel a need to go demonstrate against them.

  76. December 14, 2012 - 2:46 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “I suppose that the one thing we all have in common is a wide contrary streak.”

    Ain’t THAT the truth! Wide and deep.

    Really nice post, Alice. I was especially interested in what you said about the 20-40 year olds you meet.

    Christmas…when I attended elementary school in Richmond, Va. in the 1940s, a lot of us would arrive at school early during the Christmas season to gather around the piano in the hall and sing Christmas carols.

    A wonderful way to start the day.

  77. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 14, 2012 - 12:12 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Here’s for your forensic skills – Zionists, coerced hospitalization, bathrobe hanging and plunge to death. The first Secretary of Defense.

  78. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 14, 2012 - 12:10 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    For centuries our people have banded together at this time of year to defy the darkness which descends upon us. We do this by gathering together, reinforcing the bonds which hold us together, reaffirming family ties, sharing the wealth, celebrating the eternal joy, hope, and renewal which children bring into our lives, lighting fires and chasing the dark uglies away. This has been our custom, in both pagan and Christian times, for as long as we can look back.

    We have permitted all of these customs to be corrupted. No one feels a warm glow precisely because we have put up with grumpy Uncle Harry, because he is family and it is Christmas.
    Hollywood has taught us to scorn anyone who would endure such an uncool burden. The joy of giving gifts to those you love has been transmuted into the stresses of satisfying the unlimited greed we allow the culture to instill in our children. In short, we live with the shadow side of all our customs which warded the darkness off. Is it any wonder we become dispirited?

    Yes, we are an odd lot here. I suppose that the one thing we all have in common is a wide contrary streak. This manifests in many ways. We blame different forces, we propose different solutions, we beat up on each other, perhaps out of sheer frustration and anger. I am sure we are simply in the forefront. We do seem to be older, on average, but I attribute this to the wisdom and confidence of age. We know that this is not the best we can do. We know that the whole damn system is failing. We remember how pleasant the world can be when it is run by white men. We know that this is not necessary and it is not working.

    Through my kids and their friends I have contact with young people ranging from 20 to 40 or so. They are all suspect that something is terribly wrong. They are facing the fact that in so many ways, which really count, they have been duped. They are not sure who to blame or what to do. They just know that the deal they were promised never materialized. They have no faith or trust in the current elite. They are looking for answers.

    I know the sense of being in a nightmare. Whenever I see a sweet girl go off to college only to come home as an obnoxious liberal, I am reminded of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The charge of racism reminds my of the screech issued when anyone still free is spotted.

    I can only tell you that I have a sense of hope. It seems like the stars are aligning. The is a real sense of change in the air. We get all worked up about whether or not Ann Coulter is a true believer. She is a feather in the wind. Even the jokes the Court Jester dares, and their targets, can be telling.

    Perhaps we were simply fat, happy and lazy. Looks like there are leaner times ahead. Perhaps that will get our attention. I have faith – we are who we are – and the light will return. Happy Christmas, Mickey.

  79. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 13, 2012 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “It’s too bad she won’t live…but then again who does”

    The strategic envisionings produced so far, whether as individual POVs, expressed in comments, essays, books, whatever, are improving but still a long way – several conceptual revolutions away – from where they need to be.
    Which in one sense is OK. We’re scientists. As a culture and creed a lot of what we are went into that invention. This problem that faces the European derived people is right up there on top table one.
    On the face of it we’ve faced worse than this as a people and prevailed. Actually much worse. But the difference all those other times was that we controlled our own society and could concentrate our best and brightest on the challenge.
    What we are facing our ancesters never had to face. This is like a nightmare or maybe waking up in one of Stephen King’s outthere stories. Everyone is alseep…sleep walking…or more like being frogmarched…into the mire. Everyone except just a few stragglers who woke up and don’t know eachother for the most part…maybe have different stories and reasons who and how they woke up.

    We’re just stragglers…just ordinary folk for the most part. Most of us are not the best and brightest of the White People…the G&T’s most Gifted and Talented. A lot of us are eccentric as hell, maybe a little paranoid…a lot of us are only here because we are mentally unhinged and came through believing all the other conspiracy theories on the way which which were true, though most of us still do.
    A lot of us are elderly by the seems. In our 60′s, 70′s and 80′s. Few of us seem to be materially prosperous. It could be a lot of us are unemployed or recently lost our jobs and it was the feelings of bitterness and anger which finally drove us to take that step.

    And a lot of us are none of the above but in no better shape to muster the first clue what on earth to do.

    Almost all of us are too afraid to use our real identites. Some of the reasons are understandable…holding onto employment or maintaining shareholder support, or spouse support. But still….you can’t help wonder what such oh so reasonable calculations will look like in retrospect – to us ourselves – lying there on the death bed. I mean…that day will come. All of this is temporary. We’re all dead. We’re all going to die. Soon. Only a People can live forever. Or Never.
    So that’s the situation. We’re not the best and brightest. But, somehow…by some miracle…we are going to have to be the best and brightest. B ecause no one else may be coming

  80. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 13, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “It’s too bad she won’t live…but then again who does”

    The strategic envisionings produced so far, whether as individual POVs, expressed in comments, essays, books, whatever, are improving but still a long way – several conceptual revolutions away – from where they need to be.
    Which in one sense is OK. We’re scientists. As a culture and creed a lot of what we are went into that invention. This problem that faces the European derived people is right up there on top table one.
    On the face of it we’ve faced worse than this as a people and prevailed. Actually much worse. But the difference all those other times was that we controlled our own society and could concentrate our best and brightest on the challenge.
    What we are facing our ancesters never had to face. This is like a nightmare or maybe waking up in one of Stephen King’s outthere stories. Everyone is alseep…sleep walking…or more like being frogmarched…into the mire. Everyone except just a few stragglers who woke up and don’t know eachother for the most part…maybe have different stories and reasons who and how they woke up.

    We’re just stragglers…just ordinary folk for the most part. Most of us are not the best and brightest of the White People…the G&T’s most Gifted and Talented. A lot of us are eccentric as hell, maybe a little paranoid…a lot of us are only here because we are mentally unhinged and came through believing all the other conspiracy theories on the way which which were true, though most of us still do.
    A lot of us are elderly by the seems. In our 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. Few of us seem to be materially prosperous. It could be a lot of us are unemployed or recently lost our jobs and it was the feelings of bitterness and anger which finally drove us to take that step.

    And a lot of us are none of the above but in no better shape to muster the first clue what on earth to do.

    Almost all of us are too afraid to use our real identites. Some of the reasons are understandable…holding onto employment or maintaining shareholder support, or spouse support. But still….you can’t help wonder what such oh so reasonable calculations will look like in retrospect – to us ourselves – lying there on the death bed. I mean…that day will come. All of this is temporary. We’re all dead. We’re all going to die. Soon. Only a People can live forever. Or Never.
    So that’s the situation. We’re not the best and brightest. But, somehow…by some miracle…we are going to have to be the best and brightest. Because no one else may be coming.

  81. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Pay no attention to me. It is simply one of my pet issues. The Amish seem to me the embodiment of a group which asks only to be left alone. When the mad fools in the animals rights crowd, some of whom are near and dear to me, are used as dupes to attack them, it strikes too close to home

    In addition, I am just cross as a result of receiving Christmas cards from friends and relatives which feature cute dogs, sometimes with Santa, rather than babies in the photo. Has the phrase “Unto us a child is born” lost all meaning?

  82. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 13, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    As I thought, a man in his prime. No, thanks to my husband’s foresight and willingness to relocate our family, I have been spared such horrors. We are all, however, running out of places to hide. Fear is a primal instinct not a rational choice. I suspect that far more people than are willing to admit it openly are experience the dissonance demanded of us from our culture.

  83. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 13, 2012 - 6:39 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:William Blake thanks you for ending the torture.

  84. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 13, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I believe the charges against the Amish as little as you do. I regret that anything I wrote gave the contrary impression.

    Most disreputable pet stores I’ve actually seen seem to have been owned by one of those numbered among history’s perpetual victims. I am sure it’s just my rank bigotry that makes me see things that way, however.

  85. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 12, 2012 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Fat, dumb [ed down] and Happy [on meds].
    Met a young ex Marine recently. PTSD’ed, on 3 meds.
    And he knows the MD’s at the VA are ‘pill pushers’.

  86. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I don’t doubt that there are bad breeders, I simply doubt that they are Amish. i have had Amish and Mennonite neighbors. I found them to be uniformly good, prudent farmers. Such people do not mistreat their animals.

    One of the most impressive lectures I ever heard was from a local Mennonite farmer who kept his dogs in a kennel much like one finds at any animal shelter. It was struck by lightening , caught fire and some of the dogs died. A sad tragedy. When the animal lovers descended like screeching harpies, he responded with a moving speech. His son had been badly burned, risking his life to save most of the dogs. It mattered not at all. This man’s shock and dismay at our perverted and corrupted values still resonates with me. Perhaps that is why they are targeted.

  87. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Puppy mills” dates from at least the sixties, perhaps earlier. I got to be a big fan of the late Roger Caras round about the time I fell in love with cats, and it was from him that I learned the term. He used it to describe any pet store that sold large numbers of critters higher in the animal kingdom than fish or hamsters. He frequently referred to well-documented studies that such stores maltreated animals, most of whom had been earlier maltreated by mass-production breeders who cared not at all for the health or welfare of the animals they brought into existence. His consistent recommendation was that anyone desirous of getting a dog or cat get one through a licensed breeder, an animal shelter with an exemplary record, a friend whose pet had a litter, or by rescue from the streets or the wild. The word he most often used about puppy or pet mills and other forms of ill treatment was “inhumane”—a noble word that has become virtually defunct nowadays, especially among the demented animal “rights” crowd.

    As for the Amish, perhaps one or both of you recall that in the late eighties and early nineties, the Amish were showcased by the media, notably PBS and the New York Times, as the ideal Christian community. Why, you wonder? Why, because they didn’t engage in proselytism!

    Then 9/11 changed everything, as we know. Now the feckless Amish have become, for the powers that be, like all other Christians: virulent anti-Semites, either in potency or in act.

  88. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I don’t doubt it. Also, you gotta love the fact that whoever posted this vid doubtless thinks it’s exhibit 2-to-the-47th-power for the case that Nixon was evil incarnate.

    As Lew Rockwell used to say, the prime lesson of the Nixon impeachment, the one that the people and the media never learned but that was the only one worth learning, is that every president ought to be impeached.

  89. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 9:57 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Yankee or whatever and faux umbrage notwithstanding, I think I took your true meaning, and I am grateful for the compliment, as well as for the good wishes.

    @D. K.:

    I did so because I am sick of seeing such shoddy proofing at the Web sites that I read.

    I assumed all along that that was the case. Compounding a presumably honest mistake by failing to take responsibility for it is ungentlemanly (one might even go so far as to call it unwhite). So why do it? Put otherwise, I suppose I look at an edited page much as I do a beautiful Italian girl: I find it both difficult and distasteful to distinguish functionality from aesthetics. [wink, wink; nudge, nudge]

  90. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 12, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: First discredit, besmirch, only then proceed to outright curtailment.

    Conferring martyrdom will remain the prerogative of the Permanent Order (Jessica Lynch’s Purple Heart, Mark Bingham’s legacy to gay Rugby).

  91. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 12, 2012 - 8:33 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The nail that sticks out gets hammered. And that nail, small though it be, sticks out a mile. Notice has been duly served.

    “Puppy mills” is a neologism I’ve not seen. Were I the copywriter it would read “dark, Satanic puppy mills”.

  92. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 12, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I’m really not that young. I am not just out of college. I prefer to keep personal details murky here on the internet. I’ll just say I am not a recent grad nor am I old enough to be a grandfather.

    I have actually gained a sense of urgency as I aged. It was easier to believe Whites would “figure something out” when I was younger. Yet, things just keep getting worse. Look at this upcoming Tarantino movie called “Django”:

    The film, a revenge pic in the mold of “Inglourious Basterds,” tells the story of a slave named Django (played by Jamie Foxx) and a bounty hunter (played by Christoph Waltz) who join forces to kill off racist slave owners wanted for various crimes against humanity.

    My feelings of impending doom do not come from youth is all I would say. I felt much less anxious about our racial situation 10 years ago. And far less than 20 years ago. Which is not to say I don’t see hope, but I recently heard Peter Brimelow say that he no longer thinks the immigration problem will be solved without violence being unleashed.

    As non-Whites get cockier, more aggressive, more used to wielding power, there are fewer ways for Whites to save themselves in a peaceful manner (except to just quietly go out of existence, which may happen). You may not have been around blacks and other non-Whites when they feel a surge of power over Whites – I have – and all I can say is they don’t act like Rufus the friendly grocery boy anymore.

  93. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    By the way, Pierre, the irony of the whole argument, to me, is that I did not point out that formatting error (which I had assumed) to make some legal point about intellectual-property law. (Pat Buchanan is rich enough without my doing pro bono legal work for him!) I did so because I am sick of seeing such shoddy proofing at the Web sites that I read. As I said, above, I am duly embarrassed when I notice (actual) typos in my published comments; and, I certainly wish that we were able to edit our comments accordingly, after they are posted here. If I were actually publishing a column or a blog post, here or elsewhere, and I discovered that I had made such an egregious error, I would quickly rectify it, even if no one had called me out for it yet. Regardless, I would be simply mortified not to have caught the error prior to publication. One of my worst nightmares is allowing a critic to be able to quote me, and to insert gleefully one or more “sic” parentheticals, to twist the dagger in deeper! I would hope that all authors felt the same way– especially those writing on controversial topics, and at controversial Web sites.

  94. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    On the demoralization of the Amish, since I am sure this picture is staged, I suspect the dogs are not from an Amish farm. One must destroy a good reputation before you can persecute.\

  95. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 12, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    David Beito’s From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State enlarges on the points you have raised above. Welfare has loosened the societal bonds in all ethnic groups. De Tocqueville’s marvel at the richness of American civil society seems all but forgotten in these autumn days of Empire.

  96. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 12, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I hope you didn’t miss Nixon’s laconic comment (HT to AS). Maybe he knew a thing or two.

  97. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Your comment (from 1:05 p.m. E.S.T.) has finally appeared above, Pierre!

  98. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You did, indeed, help my journey. Your age and gender predispose you to impatience – that is as it should be. I rather doubt Dr. MacDonald has the resources to monitor us here, I am very grateful for all he does.

    My point was that we do not know what will cause people to try the waters. We all get caught up in our own issues and the argument at hand. You may remember your stand as simply a stubborn refusal to back down. I saw a man willing to stand his ground. A sane, rational man, who was neither an old school woman-hating, he-man skin head nor a wimpy liberal who caved because someone disapproved.

    You must spent your time where you deem it most valuable but I know you will be missed if your contributions become rarer. We really need some sane, remotely normal people to stand and say that we have truth and justice on our side. We are not all driven by hatred and venom. Our people are in peril, lost and deluded. As the current regime falters and the crazed hysteria worsens simply providing a warm, safe, lighted space, in which people can imagine a welcome, may be invaluable. I trust it is so. I am really too old to take to the streets.

  99. December 12, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink


    “White chat rooms…provide therapy”

    It’s time for a therapy of action to replace the Jewish therapy of lying supine and talking.

  100. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 6:18 pm | Permalink


    They always have a need for more women in Alaska, Mari. (I was there on an assignment, once– in fact, that is where I met the aforementioned doctor, whose little sister was one of my fellow lawyers on that case.)

  101. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink


    Whom here have I called a neo-Nazi, other than ‘Anglo Saxon” and ‘Jomi’ [supra], whose Naziphilic words speak for themselves? Otherwise, I have merely said that it would be Nazi-like to remove all non-Whites from the United States to create a White ethno-state, and that the overwhelming majority of White Americans would view it as such, as well, without any prompting being necessary from the Usual Suspects.

    I was circumcised, shortly after birth, Mari, and I briefly had a Jewish doctor for a girlfriend, twenty-some years ago, when I was still a young lawyer, with most of my hair intact. So, your own confusion about my ethnicity is perhaps understandable. I have outlined my full ethnicity on this site, at least once, Mari, and if I have had any Jewish antecedents, that fact is completely unknown to me and my siblings, and, as far as I now know, was likewise completely unknown to my late parents.

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Bless your poor little Yankee heart, you don’t even know when you have received my highest compliment. Grown men beg for invitations to my table. Modesty prevents me saying anything more than “Darlin’ I can cook! My main problem is getting folks to stop eating long enough to carry on a conversation.

    As for your wit and wonderful insults, I WAS your biggest fan until you tread dangerously close to my failings. I am quite sure I could conjure up a disability or syndrome or some such but it is too close to Christmas to lie.

    Here’s hoping that your Christmas gift is both health and wealth! Feel better, my friend.

  103. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    @D. K.:

    I am retiring from this field with as much dignity as I can muster given that my tail is between my legs. I am well past the point, both in life and in the course of the present discussion, where I can any longer retain a modicum of comfort when the topic is boobs and the company is mixed.

    At least all of my “immoderate” comments have emerged into the light (?) of a TOO day.

  104. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 12, 2012 - 5:46 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    When I was attacked, seemingly 24/7, I put up with it because I knew of no other site or approach that would help the White Cause in such a meaningful way. And besides, I didn’t like the idea of bullies/trolls being allowed the last word.

    Interacting with many old school White Nationalists has been a particularly unpleasant experience (although without doubt, several were trolls who wanted to sew dissension).

    I was dismayed to see MacDonald enter into friendly chat with some of the worst offenders on a couple of occasions, nor did I (or you or anyone else) ever receive any support from the editors, MacDonald, or moderators. Some acknowledgment would have made the ordeal less unpleasant. I do remember Matt Parrott stepping in to comment on particularly bad offenders, but he is over at Counter Currents now (and perusing Ebola inspired visions along with the Occult, which I view as a complete waste of time). They just finished a $25,000 fund raiser over there. We don’t have fund raisers at BUGS.

    I have mixed feelings about TOO these days, but I still come here. If it helped you to become more pro-White then that is good. A part of me thinks the endless theorizing about libertarian philosophy or what God Really Wants is a waste of time. But then, perhaps it at least puts an intellectual face on the movement, for what it’s worth.

  105. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I know that this crowd is strongly in favor of the race determines all view, but as a mother, I firmly believe that both nature and nurture matter. All of my boys are unique individuals, with their own strengths and weaknesses. The trick seems to be to strengthen the former and help them learn to compensate for the latter. I assume that applies to us all.

  106. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 12, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Problem with seccession is that it is the southern states who favor it. Much as I detest and loathe the USA, I would much rather live in a country that is only 13 percent black than in a state that is 30 to 50 percent black.

  107. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 12, 2012 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Harumphty Dumpty

    You are right about the White chat rooms. I myself would do anything to help a White nationalist movement but there is none. There are a few groups that call themselves White nationalist but they are all ADL FBI DEA ATF ACLU AJC NOW front groups.

    The good thing about amren, council of conservative citizens, storm front and vanguard is that they provide therapy for those of us who realize what affirmative action, immigration and black on White crime have done and are doing to Whites.

    DK storm front vanguard council of conservative citizens are not neo nazi. They are simply sources culled from mainstream newspapers and TV about the overwheliming prevalence of black on White crime in this country.

    The reason I believe you are a jewish mole is that you constantl call any person or comment with which you disagree neo nazi. I’ve been surrounded by jews all my life and I hear anti semite and neo nazi all the time from jews who disagree with anything at all.

    AS far as the so called conservative movement, I have nothing to do with it. All I care about is affirmative actin, immigration both non White and russian, arab, armenian,persian indian and israeli types from the most corrupt and criminal White societies on earth, black on White crime and the continual jewish anti White propaganda that is leading up to a genocide equal to the lenin stalin genocide of russian christians.

    Remember that the commie russian jews murdered more people in the 1920’s than was done under stalin in the 1930’s

    I have no sympathy for Whites who think that by sucking up to the anti abortion, anti tax, anti union, and most ridiculous of all, pro American, pro military, patriotric conservatives it will help us. It won’t. For instance the anti abortionists want to produce more blacks and browns. The pro military patriots
    haven’t seen an army base in decades. They should take a look, nothing but blacks and browns who get a lifetime of welfare after 20 years hiding out in a warehouse somewhere getting stoned and molesting the women.

  108. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    You are apparently conflating aesthetics with functionality, Pierre!?! As a blue-collar boy, from a blue-collar town, I am a very practical fellow. When I went to Rome, at age 18, I admired all of the native architecture– some more for its (readily apparent) beauty, some more for the (imagined) functionality….

  109. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Bosh – you have no idea of the dangers involved in evoking the wrath of a Southern woman. Miffed, positively miffed!

    I would not dream of critiquing a man’s personal preferences regarding women. I once voiced an objection to the show Baywatch. My husband slammed that one shut on the grounds that anything in this world which promotes heterosexuality won his favor.

  110. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Two friendly replies to this comment alone have now gone to the place that shall not be mentioned.

  111. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: My completely agreeable reply to this comment has also gone to the Land of Insufficient Moderation in Speech. I blame my use of the profane expression “Mark Twain” this time. Will I never learn?

  112. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: So we’re both right. A happy resolution!
    @Alice Teller: Tread carefully, Alice. As you’ll see if my evil “dinner party” comment ever escapes moderation, you are in grave danger of having the doghouse door locked behind you.


    Incidentally, shame on you for not giving D. K. a tongue-lashing for his expression of desirous interest solely in big-bosomed Italian girls. In my experience the most gloriously beautiful of those creatures were no more than average in that department, yet no one among my peers ever thought them any the less desirable or glamorous for all that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

  113. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    FROM “FOG OF WAR” (2003):


    Robert McNamara: I was on the island of Guam in his [General Curtis LeMays’] command in March 1945. In that single night, we burned to death one hundred thousand Japanese civilians in Tokyo. Men, women and children.

    Interviewer: Were you aware this was going to happen?

    Robert McNamara: Well, I was part of a mechanism that, in a sense, recommended it.

    [regarding his and Colonel Curtis LeMay’s involvement in the bombing of Japan during World War II]

    Robert McNamara: LeMay said if we lost the war that we would have all been prosecuted as war criminals. And I think he’s right. He… and I’d say I… were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?



  114. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    My mother would say that God is punishing you for making fun of poor little Southern girls who have the appropriate disregard for such trifling matters.

  115. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: All I’ll say in closing is that your own account inspires infinitely more confidence in the tale’s veracity than Wikipedia’s does. Here as elsewhere, figuratively speaking, clothes do sometimes make the man—as even Mark Twain admitted. (Of course, I am omitting the rest of his quip: “Naked people have little or no influence in society.”)

    Now, if you quarrel with this assessment of mine, I’ll know for certain that you’re a man with too much time on his hands!

  116. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: The correction above was the erroneous a I added to McNamara. I won’t bother explaining why it disappeared from the previous comment.

  117. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    As I say, Pierre, I read about this anecdote in a biography of Rod Serling that I was checking in the library, one day, many years ago, when I wanted to find the exact date of his death (which, I recalled, had occurred during my stay in Rome). Troops in the jungles of the Philippines, during World War II, were apparently resupplied by cargo drops. Private Levy apparently had the grave misfortune of being dropped in on by just such a crate. I would read the Wikipedia entry to be saying, albeit poorly, that the troops were resting beneath palm trees, while Private Levy was standing out in the open, performing his monologue. The way that I had remembered the story was somewhat different, as I recalled that the troops were marching in single file, at the time, when the crate landed atop Levy. Regardless, one’s critical opinion of Rod Serling, as a writer, etc., seems rather beside the point, to me. One always may do a check on the named victim, and see what the Army records actually show…!?!

  118. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    : corrigendum . Scusi, D. K.

  119. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    I, for one, have learned and befitted from both the articles and discussion on our European history. We all have much to learn from each other. However, for many of us, this is still personal history, sometimes painful. I define myself as a white loyalist. The obligations of loyalty begin at home and with close kin. I reserve the right to reevaluate the history of WWII without condemning and disrespecting my own father. The problem arises when fanatics insist on bringing their own, often peculiar view of history, into every topic which arises.

    Please know that you are very welcome and that your comments bring an added dimension to our discussion. Welcome!

  120. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: He’s keeping it a dark secret if he has. I hold out hope, however. He’s a brave guy.

    @D. K.: I resent yore amplication that I could be guiltey of a typo.

    As to your second paragraph, lead on, maestro! I’m already in the choir. I don’t have figures at hand, but I think that the Tokyo firebombing took more civilian lives than one of the two A-bombs (correction will, if need be, be graciously accepted). Were it possible to get undoctored figures anent Dresden, I wouldn’t be surprised if the same were true there, too. A dear Dutch friend, now departed, who lived in the Hague throughout the war and afterward became a great lover of this country, used to say with sadness that there would never be a film or a TV series made about the Allied bombing campaign in Europe in World War II, its having been (1) started by the Allies and (2) directed almost entirely at civilian targets and nonessential military targets.

    Are you sure that the words you attribute to MacNamara (loathsome fiend) weren’t actually voiced by Curtis Le May? I have heard them attributed to the latter. Note that I hastily admit to having never seen any documentation either way.

  121. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    As I have said, Alice, once the welfare state is no longer there to support the underclasses’ profligate breeding, etc., they will cease to do so. As someone once said, “When things can’t go on any longer, they won’t!”

  122. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 12, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    I have re-read this very long chain of comments today. It has been very interesting. The start was thoughts on secession, but it has widened the area later. I say thank you to those who had given additional information to my own comments. —
    To John-Joseph:Saintclair , December 7, 2012 – 1:58 pm
    (it follows at once after my own comment Karlfried)
    “…It is wonderful to see and share the views of a German…” You have made several comments and unluckily I have not noticed this long comment of you before. Thank you for this. I can understand your thoughts very well. Please keep in mind that I am a German. In our country we have strict laws. Everyone who speaks in public (internet is public) something positive about the German government of the years 1933 untill 1945 will go to jail. A well known man, Horst Mahler, is in jail for 12 years for saying some sentences and moving his hand sometimes in the air in the public. — Also I have the feeling that some other readers of the Occidental Observer do not like to hear to much about the historical events of that time and place. Maybe they have another opinion, maybe they think it will cost time und will give little results.— As a German, I am a guest in this US-blog, and I do not want to change a discussion about secession into a discussion about European things. — Therefore I have this idea: perhaps you know a blog at which we can discuss this European things without disturbing other readers. If you know one, tell it, and we can speak about these things there. I think that many of your thoughts are good and I like it that you like a German view of history (all my ancestores were soldiers at that time). — I think that this points are a kind of special interest and I do not want to blockade the Occidental Observer with this.

  123. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 2:39 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Two reasons: (1) what does “above” mean? The sky or the palm tree? The first seems unlikely; the second preposterous. (2) More germane, at least to me, is that I have, if possible, even less regard for Sterling than for JFK. His various movie and TV scripts were pretty uniformly atrocious—he was as preachy as Oscar Hammerstein, for heaven’s sake—and as for his famous program, The Twilight Zone, it combined fatuous moralizing with intellectual and moral presumptions that ranged from the dubious to the reprehensible.

    Hence, I shall bash him with any cudgel that comes to hand, and Wikipedia is as good a one as any. Besides, as I have written in earlier threads, I fully endorse Bradley Smith’s take on it: “Wikipedia is the first place to go if you want it quick, do not want much, and there are no ethical or moral issues involved” (Bradley Smith’s Blog, 11/19/2009). For me, anything having to do with Serling activates reference to Smith’s rule.

    Nothing personal anent you, I hope I need not say.

  124. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Perhaps you inadvertently typed “donner party” instead, Pierre, and it was culled for relating to cannibalism?

    As to the bomb, I am against it, and I believe that its use in World War II was both immoral and militarily unnecessary. That said, what the U.S. and its allies did with fire bombings, in both Japan and Germany, was far worse, aside from the opening of Pandora’s Box that the first use of atomic weaponry necessarily represented. Robert McNamara, who helped select the targets for those fire-bombing raids, in the Pacific Theater, admitted that, had we lost the war, our responsible personnel would have been tried as war criminals– and rightly so! (In the European Theater, Prime Minister Churchill, as I recall, gave his blessing to “total war” on his first full day in office, May 11, 1940– the day after “The Phoney War” had ended.)

  125. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    P.S. Nicholas Stix has yet to convert, no?

  126. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Yes to all. I don’t know about the French, but I do know that the English had a full-bore fission bomb program in the works (inter alia, the British and American bombs and the people making them constitutes an important subplot in C. P. Snow’s Strangers and Brothers series), and the Japs would have been stupid not to have one. Stupid they were not.

    I think, too, that the Japanese would have had some measure of moral justification for using the bomb. Having tried to sue for peace since 1943 and facing one of the most immoral demands in the history of belligerence, unconditional surrender (condemned by Pius XII, as you may know), the Japanese had reason to believe that the Allies, the USA first and foremost, meant to, well, do to them what Israelis have done to Palestinians since 1947 and may well do to Americans and Europeans if things don’t change soon.

    P.S. I have a comment, in moderation for more than hour, in part addressed to you (time-stamped 1:05 p.m.). Its harshest words are “dinner party.” I despair of ever comprehending the grounds for moderation.

  127. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Why do you say that, Pierre? I read that in a biography of Serling (who converted to Unitarianism, in college, by the way), many years before Wikipedia was dreamed up, and I believe that he himself tells the anecdote, in an old film clip, included in a more-recent documentary about him. I have no reason to doubt its veracity.

  128. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Funny, H. D., how people like you think that modern Hollywood movies have trance-like effects on the unwashed White masses; yet, you think that an old-fashion, politically incorrect American western that is dripping with highly charged racial content would be simply a waste of their (and my) time!?! (It is a great film, irrespective of its racial content. The opening and closing shots are nothing short of pure cinematic art!)

  129. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Surely, this extract underlines why Nicholas Stix calls Wikipedia “the Pretend Encyclopedia.”

  130. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    It is amazing how fast their own atomic-bomb project went from being crucial to American self-defense, and the very survival of civilization itself, to a morally abhorrent concept that only the insane or demonic would think of pursuing, no? The Japanese were pursuing the bomb, too, and one of their scientists, for the fiftieth anniversary of Pearl Harbor Day or Hiroshima, or some such World War II milestone, said they would have had one, given enough resources– and that they would not have hesitated to use it against us!

  131. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    What, pray tell, is “our main work,” H. D.? I already explained, at length and ad nauseam, in another thread, why I choose not to endorse your petitions. You simply cannot accept that something that you view as being critical is viewed by someone else as being worse than useless– wholly counterproductive! I am a lazy man, I readily admit; but, if I were that lazy, I sure as hell would not be wasting any of my limited time and energy responding to comments from a monomaniac like you….

  132. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    The first Atomic Bomb was intended for Germany, and NOT Japan. Had the Third Reich held out 3 or 4 months longer, then a mushroom cloud would have risen over Berlin.

    I wrote something very, very similar to your words several threads ago. What stupefies me is that what they express comes as news (or even unsubstantiated allegation) to many readers. I can tell you that this fact was known to everybody in the USA back in the fifties and early sixties, certainly to every American Christian who didn’t yet understand that anything that might conceivably reveal the truth about the Jews had to be covered up or “redacted” in Orwellian fashion. I could but won’t repeat the name of the priest who told me and my grammar school fellows that many of those who worked on the bomb were Jews who hated Germany for what it had done to their people and wanted to make them pay. (NB: I have no idea, of course, whether Father was guilty of revisionism avant la lettre or was simply stating what seemed to him a clear, albeit morally base, cause-effect relationship.)

    @Trenchant: Further both to your comment and to AS’s above, Cardinal Biffi’s implicitly anti-Semitic [SARCASM ALERT!] words were also the common coin of my parents and their contemporaries. Some, like Father Anonymous just mentioned, rightly saw the Jewish hand at the tiller; others put it down to the upscale contempt of FDR and his cohorts in the moneyed Protestant ascendancy for what they saw as Catholic scum (I can hear Tom and dixie applauding and cheering in the distance; can’t you?). They were mistaken, of course, in assuming that FDR had any principles, even really bad ones. He and his crowd thought the Jews were just as scummy, but they were scum with plenty of cash.

    It’s not widely known, perhaps least of all by present-day conciliar neocatholics, that one of the prime factors in the heresy that popes had then for about a century been calling and condemning as Americanism was the American church’s widely taught notion that “freedom of religion” entailed pretending that the Tribe ought to have just as much right to the fruits of society as Christians, a fortiori Catholics. Among many other things, Vatican II represented the churchwide triumph of Americanism; hence of Jewish subversion.

    Postscriptively, permit one who knows his writing well to suggest that anything and everything asserted by Sandro Magister needs to be cleansed of E. coli before consumption. As with a long piece in the Times, it’s safe to assume that there is some truth in everything Magister writes, but it frequently amounts to no more than a single subordinate clause in paragraph 47 after the jump.

  133. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    If you are spreading those “memes” at CNN and other Establishment sites, H.D., where are all of the White converts that your strategy has produced? I have yet to see anyone post a comment here (or elsewhere) saying that he or she was converted and led to White consciousness by seeing such “memes” peppered, liberally or otherwise, among the endless stream of comments at such Establishment sites. Like time travel, H. D., if it really is possible, where the hell are all the futurists to prove it?

  134. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Why would you assume that anyone posts comments here to spread the word? That is absurd. If this were preaching, it would be preaching to the choir, not evangelizing. Alice is right; the rest of us, at least, have real lives. To assume that our commenting here is the sum and substance of what we do on behalf of our own respective beliefs, and the people that each of us cares about, is simply ludicrous.

  135. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:


    “[Rod] Serling’s time in Leyte shaped his writing and political views for the rest of his life. He saw death every day while in the Philippines, at the hands of his enemies and his allies, and through freak accidents such as that which killed another extroverted Jewish private named Melvin Levy. Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon as it rested under a palm tree, when a food crate dropped from above, decapitating him.”


    Cargo cults are not to be trifled with….

  136. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 1:11 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:
    I admire and encourage your work as a bugster. I have, however, about run out of patience with your bashing. If you think posting here is useless why do you persist? You presume that all any of us do is post here. What justification do you have for that position? Most of us have real lives in the real world where we influence real people.

    Your narrow mindedness is very limiting. When I say us I mean white people. I have great faith in us, despite all our shortcomings and faults. If it sometimes seems that our capacity for tolerance is as large as our capacity for greatness – well we are only human. But even the dictates of cold ,cruel Princesses can be overcome. A good place to start is to respect your allies and not assume that only you have the correct answer. Maybe this will inspire you. Nessun Dorma

  137. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Weren’t you a Math professor, instructor, teacher, or some such, H. D., before you lost so much of your gray matter that you were mistaken for J.F.K.? Why not try an unassailable mathematical approach to proving your contention?

    IF . . .


    . . . THEN . . .



  138. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 12, 2012 - 1:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I’m just catching up with this thread after many days and am not really up to saying much, except that now that I know that you see my primary utility as a dinner party guest, my nose is seriously out of joint.

    Other than that, having got to the thread’s end, I think of the many occasions, both here in the virtual world and in real life, where I wish to heaven I had bitten my tongue instead of getting a cutting remark off at someone with whom I agree on 60% of everything and 90% of things that really matter. Again, I name no names save my own. My responsibility is to examine my own conscience; no one else’s.

    I do feel the need to remark, however, that fully four of HD’s comments past the midway point have prompted me to laugh out loud. I won’t add “in delight,” because the pain in my gut was worsened notably by my involuntary reaction. Perhaps he’d be kind enough henceforth to preface his wittiest remarks with some sort of (dare I say it?) mantra approximating the following: “Danger, PdC, danger!” Apropos his wittiest comment of all, in re group secession by JFK assassination diagnosis, I hope he doesn’t mean for us who haven’t placed a bet on any of the nags in the race to move to Bolivia or Nigeria with head hanging in shame. Whatever opinion I reach, if indeed I ever care enough to reach one, I’d still want to live in Vlad’s sector—preferably within a mile of him and his family. We’d be able to talk about almost anything without worrying either about agreement or argument, since there’d be no condescension in the former case and no rancor in the latter. Besides, he’d send me home with a bagful of squash, and there’s no discounting the preciousness of a neighbor who’ll do that.

    Finally, to D. K.: Whatever I may think about the tone or the details of the Buchanan-related formatting argument as it has played out, you were well within your rights to refer to my position in this comment. I’ll say again that the bleeding could have been stopped before it stained a handkerchief had Mr. Dodgson simply appended a scusi to the top of the comment thread.

  139. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 12, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    For you and all others who believe that nothing can change the sad shape we are in other than mass murder and deportation.

    Interesting link, that documents how the so called Civil Rights Movement and the welfare state has been a disaster for the Black family and Black Americans:

    LBJ and the destruction of Black America

    LBJ will go down in history tainted by the legacy of Vietnam. But he also enjoys the reputation as, if not ‘the man that freed the blacks’ at least as the President that brought them in from the cold. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ‘changed the face of America. It opened all public accommodations — hotels, restaurants, swimming pools — to all Americans regardless of race, color, religion or national origin. The bill also ended legal discrimination in employment on the basis of race or sex, and established the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to enforce the law.’

    Indeed it did. And LBJ gained further kudos in that he did this knowing, as he admitted to an aide when signing the bill, that “we [the Democratic Party] have lost the South for a generation”. In fact they lost it for much more than that. But maybe his heroic self-sacrifice was worth it for all it has done for the down-trodden blacks? Well no, actually. In fact LBJ and the CRA have been an unmitigated disaster for blacks, despite many superficial advances. And for the country at large they have caused insidious, deadly and probably irrecoverable damage.

    Nearly fifty years after the negro project was signed into law we have the following: “The median wealth of white households is twenty times that of their black counterparts. Moreover, from 2005 to 2009, black wealth declined by 53 percent—in 2009, the typical black household had just $5,677 in wealth. African-American wealth was wiped out by the Great Recession, making it a tremendously destructive event for economic mobility among black families …”

    But it’s much, much worse than that. Essentially, and I don’t think I’m overstating the case, black society has been destroyed. In the fifties, although blacks were still struggling for equal opportunities and were on the low end of the economic ladder, the black family was for the most part strong and stable. Two parent families were the rule, not the exception. The vast majority of black fathers worked. Families attended church together and did not comprise a majority of the prison population.

    But the GS created the ‘Welfarist’ and of all those who fell victim to the welfare mentality, none suffered more than the black communities. Why would that be? Because, in my view, it fed into all the dormant black male pathologies which probably derived from ancestral social organizational modes in Africa. The new dispensation meant that if an unwed woman became pregnant, moved out of the home of her parents, did not name or know who the father was, then Big Daddy in Washington would provide for all her essential needs. Ergo she no longer needed a husband or the support of her family. In fact, the more children she had out of wedlock, the more money she would receive from the government.

    For black males this was Nirvana. They could father as many children as they wanted, from multiple women, without ever having to accept the responsibility of fatherhood. In fact many women rejected marriage in favour of a boyfriend who could slip in the back door and not jeopardize her government check. In this dysfunctional culture why would education be important? Why seek an education only to have to compete for a good job in the market place when they could just hang around the neighbourhood and have all of life’s amenities? Did not the NAACP and race hustlers like Jesse Jackson tell them that it was not their fault? That they were just the innocent victims of white racism?

    Listen now to the Rev. Jesse Lee Patterson who admittedly is reviled in the black ‘community’ as an Uncle Tom. (I got this over at Occidental Dissent).
    ‘Having never known Jim Crow America, I am often amazed at just how much more civilized that world was from what I can see of it that has survived. Some of the nicest, kindest people that I know in this world are blacks who were born and raised back then. They are much older and more seriously Christian than their grandchildren. Some own businesses out in the middle of nowhere.

    Clearly, black people aren’t living up to their full potential. All you have to do to see this is drive out into the countryside and talk to the elderly blacks who live there. You will find that the blacks who live in these areas share few of the negative characteristics of their relatives in the projects. They will wave at you when you drive pass them on the road, assist you when you have a roadside emergency, treat you with kindness and respect instead of hostility and contempt.

    It is almost like they act like White people. Most seem to own their own land. They use less vulgarity. They dress nicer. They are different in many other ways too. You will find that they have much better relations with their White neighbors. Some have vegetable gardens and livestock like we do and sell White people steak and seafood.’

    Now consider the modern black ‘community’ half a century after the CRA. Here’s Rev. Peterson again: ‘There was a time in this country when blacks weren’t raping 100 White women a year in Alabama, when most of them were married, when black children had fathers, when they weren’t on drugs or welfare, when they weren’t packing the prisons, and when they didn’t name their children stupid names or celebrate fake holidays like Kwanzaa.’

    He then goes on to pose, and answer, the following questions:

    (1)Was it really so bad to have black neighborhoods?
    (2) Were the anti-miscegenation laws really so bad?
    (3) Were the black schools and colleges really so bad?
    (4) Were things like segregated water fountains and restrooms really such a big deal?
    (5) Was segregation itself really so bad?

    You can read his detailed responses over at OD, but in effect his answer to each question is ‘no’. And, even allowing for my bias, I find he makes a compelling case.

    But the problems of blacks go much deeper. Despite, or maybe because of, all the Affirmative Action, the ridiculous Black Studies and Black History Months, and the endless misrepresentation of blacks in the media, blacks are arguably more embittered and destructively anti-White today than they ever have been. As Fred Reed put it: ‘These ‘hoods are utterly black, with whipcord young males leaning against lamp posts and eyeing cops with hostility. The people in them have no identity other than black. They aren’t African and aren’t American. They don’t read and many can’t. The schools are just holding cages. They’ve got nothing and they’re going nowhere and they know it. The great white beyond out there, with its computers and universities and those rich white people with their jobs and books and understanding of mysterious things like international politics—they have no access to these.’

    Even ostensible black ‘success’ is tainted. The much-touted black middle class is a fragile and false creation of government jobs and/or Affirmative Action. Not having achieved their positions on merit they will be the first to fall when the really tough economic times hit in due course. In fact it’s happening already. The moral of the story: political victories and economic progress are not necessarily correlated. As blacks have become Governors, Attorneys General and even President, black society has been destroyed. And it’s getting worse as dysgenic forces come into play, genetically altering them by encouraging the black underclass to reproduce at a higher rate. A kind of rapid reverse evolution. And it will continue as long as the social services industry ‘professionals’ and race hucksters like Sharpton and Jackson need this heaving impoverished underclass to maintain their own privileged lifestyles.

    Truly the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Assuming of course that LBJ did in fact have good intentions. You know, it’s been said that he saw Detroit as the model for his Great Society.

    Well, if nothing else he got that right.

  140. December 12, 2012 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    White countries world-wide are being flooded with non-whites, and whites are forced by law to integrate with those non-whites so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

    Flooding and forced assimilation are genocide when done to Tibetans in Tibet, and are genocide when done to Whites in White countries.

    The people carrying out this genocide of whites say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    Our message that’s currently displayed on the White House Billboard will be expiring soon, so we’ll be replacing it with its successor. Please help us get the successor up more quickly so our message will be a constant on that billboard.

    Your noms de pétition added to our message will be much appreciated.

  141. December 12, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    It’s probably a doomed effort, but THEN AGAIN, WHAT ISN’T. (My caps)

    Another bright light shone into the depth of the problem.

    In the New Guinea cargo cults, the devotees at least expected the cargo to arrive.

    But in the White Chat Room Cargo Cult, a refuge for “pro-whites” who have retreated from the bruisings of action in the larger world, many have even lost hope in their magic, and just practice the cult for lack of spirit to do otherwise.

  142. December 12, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Wait! At last I understand! You who inhabit these threads are a CARGO CULT!

    Everyone on this exquisitely informed site knows of the cargo cults, right?

    You form mental representations of the cargo you want delivered, and then wait for it to fall from the sky!

    Ha ha!

  143. December 12, 2012 - 12:14 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “The power may devolve on us no matter what we do.”

    That one is really a side-splitter.

    The people who inhabit these various white chat rooms are the LAST people upon whom any power will devolve.

    Ordinary white people who have common sense and can distinguish between action and inaction are the whites who will finally do something.

  144. December 12, 2012 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “We must be unrelenting in finding every conceivable way to reach them. Let a thousand flowers bloom!”

    I’m still waiting for ONE flower, Alice, ONE.

    “We must prepare our people to rise to the occasion and meet the new challenges ahead.”

    Let’s be “staunch” and “resolute” too, while we’re at it. Just words, Alice, just words.

    Has anyone asked KM what the readership here is? How does it compare with CNN where we spread “anti-white” and “white genocide”? And can you even see the threads here as sane whites with common sense would see them, if they do come here?

    Just posting comments on white sites is not going to spread any message fast enough.

  145. December 12, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Or to put it differently, D. K., adding your anonymous nom de pétition to get our message up on the White House Billboard and give it strength in viewers’ eyes seemed to me a small thing that commenters and readers here could do, in view of the reluctance here to help us with our main work.

  146. December 12, 2012 - 11:13 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    If I had known that at this very moment John Ford’s movie is turning back the tide of White Genocide, I would have spent my time encouraging the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Whites reading comments at CNN and elsewhere to watch it, AS YOU DO, and I thank you for your tireless activism.

    How silly of me to have spent my time spreading the memes and terminology of “anti-white” and “White Genocide” among those tens or hundreds of thousands of Whites.

  147. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 10:40 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    For you and all others who believe that nothing can change the sad shape we are in other than mass murder and deportation.

  148. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 10:03 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Come now, Mickey, we rely on you for unrelenting optimism. I have great faith you guys will find a way.

  149. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 12, 2012 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Fair enough Alice. I agree D.K. is a positive force on balance. To me he represents the intelligent attempt to keep at least one foot inside the thinking of the mainstream Right.

    It’s probably a doomed effort, but then again, what isn’t.

  150. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    I generally see things your way, but DK also does us a service by reminding us how badly tarred we are by the N-word. It is important to remember how we sound to the larger public.

    The power may devolve on us no matter what we do. We must be prepared. Keep on keeping our spirits high.

  151. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 12, 2012 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason you and I bemoan associations with n*z*sm…I think mainly on practical grounds.

    D.K. actively MAKES associations between us and n*z*sm. He proactively associated the talk about separatism/secession with n*z*sm, on the argument he could not see a peaceful/civilized way for a district (of any size?) to be cleared of non-white folk.

    So he’s actively MAKING ASSOCIATIONS. He’s doing what you are complaining about.

    I think he’s wrong in doing that. But also in the way he is characterizing the secession situation. There are many areas that are overwhelmingly white or overwhelmingly non-populated. It wouldn’t be necessary to remove a single non-white, only prevent any new immigrants into that area. Those already there could be bribed generously to move…but it could be totally voluntary.

    I would agree that none of it is plausible anyway, because to make something like that happen you need POWER. And we do not have POWER.

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 12, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Do you, too, have a sense of deja vu? I would volunteer a couple of hours a week to act as moderator, following Dr, MacDonald’s rules, but I am sure that would be seen as a poisonous, feminist, Christian, traditionalist takeover. Really, when I reflect on my critics, I am dazzled by my versatility.

    I understand and share your frustration at some of the interaction here. We all want everyone to jump on our bandwagon. But what appeals to one will not reach another.

    I read the comments section, here and elsewhere, long before I weighed in. It was those intellectual arguments, quoting obscure philosophers, which attracted me. I learned a lot from following Athanasius’ and Trenchant’s links, I was impressed by your calm, dignified, unflinching stand in the face of relentless assault, and I was sure any hostess would give her eye teeth to have Pierre at the dinner party. Vlad’s unshakable good sense, dignity and good humor was very reassuring. Richard’s sheer quest for the good, amid doubts and the ugliness of the world around us was inspiring. I cannot name all of the commentators (another word poisoned by Jews) who impressed me. Not all agree, nor did I always agree with their positions, but these were clearly intelligent, thoughtful people.

    With respect to HD, my life experience riding herd on a pack of boys has persuaded me that, while repetition is invaluable, nagging always backfires. We have great variety within white folks. We can argue, debate, disagree. There is no single, magic charm which will do the trick. We must find a million different ways to reach our people. Our presumption that because the Jews used a particular set of tactics, we must use the same is short sighted. We must remember that good, bad, or merely duped those people out there are our folk. They are mired in deception, lies and plain old evil. We must be unrelenting in finding every conceivable way to reach them. Let a thousand flowers bloom!

    Even entering into the fray by dealing with the likes of Anglo Saxon has its place. I consider it a public service to demonstrate both that he is not the voice of White Loyalists and that bullies are really rather easy to cut down to size.

    The good news is that we have truth on our side, the structure which supports our masters is failing – fast. We must prepare our people to rise to the occasion and meet the new challenges ahead.

    The bad news is that bright, intelligent women are driven away from this site in droves. I have seen them come and go with great regularity. We must find a way to change that.

  153. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 12, 2012 - 8:42 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Census results just released. Britain is now on the conveyor belt right behind America. In 10 years people of White British descent collapse from 87% to 80%. London now white minority at 45%. Things moving fast and speeding up. Basically, goodbye.

  154. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 12, 2012 - 4:16 am | Permalink

    @D. K.

    This plan is basically telling the truth. This is how it was done to us and this is the only way the situation can be reversed.

    What has to happen is obvious. How it can happen is the question. It looks impossible. Maybe it is. But that is pretty much what has to happen.

    However….D.K. mentions it in a way that maximizes how impossible it will look. If these are considered knock-on outcomes of some other set of processes/algorithms that can be run from more or less where we are at right now…then it might look more possible.

    Either way…it’s very hard situation and the answers are not likely to come from the WN (or race realist or whatever) world. We’re going to need several brilliant individuals who become billionaires. We’re going to need several scientific/IQ geniuses who bring mind blowing solutions to the table. A lot of very ‘impossible’ looking stuff has to happen. I believe it will happen. That is the religion I choose to have.

  155. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 3:31 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Compared, say, to reading your comments? Are you serious?!? Yes, I am afraid that you are…. The point, for those now in their dotage, or otherwise naturally slow on the uptake, is that countless other Whites, of all persuasions, are, at this very moment, watching and enjoying John Ford’s western classic– and absorbing its politically incorrect view of racial competition!

  156. December 12, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    “infinitely more good”?

    How does your watching The Searchers do any good at all?

  157. December 12, 2012 - 3:17 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    We expose whites to “anti-white” and “White Genocide” mostly through posting in the mainstream, not through the petitions. The petitions are just a small experimental effort. The possibility is there for news coverage.

    Now dream about spreading the Mantra and implanting “anti-white” and “White Genocide” a wee bit deeper into white minds, and wake up ready to fight back!


  158. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 3:10 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:


    This latest exchange has been diverting my full attention from the race-realist classic, “The Searchers” (1956), on TCM. It does infinitely more good than any number of virtual petitions that go virtually unread, other than by a handful of already thoroughly convinced Whites, toward instilling a genuine sense of what it means to be White in an openly hostile racial environment.

  159. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 3:00 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Who is the “we” in “we’re,” H. D.? You are the one who just does not get it: the overwhelming majority of Whites do not share your view of either the world or themselves! Your “spreading the Mantra” through off-putting virtual petitions that virtually no one reads has about as much chance of changing that fact, in the next umpteen generations, as Andrew [supra] does of “traveling to the other side of the universe, through a wormhole– in a spaceship designed by some Black African native, and built in his backyard!”

  160. December 12, 2012 - 2:46 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    At last you’re coming down to earth and getting realistic. Thanks for the pleasant lift to my spirits before I retire for the evening. Dream about spreading the Mantra and implanting “anti-white” and “White Genocide” a wee bit deeper into white minds, and wake up ready to fight back!


  161. December 12, 2012 - 2:42 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Absolutely beautiful summary! Lmao!! I especially like #3.

    I don’t think D.K. understands what I’m saying yet. And D.K., as best I can figure it, what you are saying is that, barring miracles, our case is hopeless?

    We’re the largest racial group still in all of our homelands…we’re still a majority even, I’m fairly sure. And our case is hopeless? That’s beyond absurd.

  162. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 2:35 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Oh, well, if you are going to spread “the Mantra” (with more of your brilliantly written petitions?), H. D., everything will just naturally fall into place, any day now…. You are our (secular) savior, H. D.!

  163. December 12, 2012 - 2:25 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I should have all that done by noon tomorrow, D. K. I would have done it tonight if you’d been more prompt in getting back to me. (Hey, this is fun! Now I understand why you live in fantasy land!)

    But just in case it doesn’t work, I may still spend an hour or two tomorrow afternoon spreading the Mantra to implant “anti-white” and “White Genocide” a wee bit deeper in a few white minds.

    That wouldn’t undermine any of your grand plans in any way, would it? I wouldn’t want to hold up your Revolution.

  164. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 12, 2012 - 1:54 am | Permalink

    But it’s becoming apparent that we’re not likely to wake up pro-whites to that fact any more than the two great chiefs were able to wake up their warriors to the tactics that their own survival required.

    I guess that’s just the way human beings are.

    I have that fear too. More generally among Whites, they continue to act like it is really 1955, and just a couple of tweaks here and there will return us all to Old America. A strange kind of denial. I even see it among very young Whites.

    Your analogy with the Native Americans is excellent, I will reflect on that. Whites seem to think they will keep living the same lives they always have, with a few minor adjustments. But what we are seeing is the most rapid population replacement in history (for those who bristle at the term ‘genocide’). Native Americans met the White Man in 1492. They were still fighting 400 years later.

    We won’t last anywhere near that long. We have already seen Whites in America fall from 90% of population to 63% in about 45 years. Damn fast, that. And yes, Bob Whitaker is a genius for seeing all of this and understanding what needs to be done.

  165. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:45 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “From your mouth….” :-)

  166. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 12, 2012 - 1:40 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    And in the present war of survival we whites are in, pro-Whites keep on arguing about different political systems or about the Holocaust®, as if we were not in a war for survival at all, but were comfortably ensconced in some graduate school of the 1950s studying political science and history.

    The lack of urgency among pro-Whites is pretty amazing. There seem to be a few categories (or excuses) which cover the justification for non-action:

    1. Those who say we must wait for The Collapse before any action is taken. These Hard Men of White Nationalism claim they will spring into action just as soon as all civilization crumbles to the ground. Thanks guys.

    2. Those who treat this as some weird esoteric “lifestyle” club. Let’s quote obscure philosophers to each other, stroke our chins and fantasize about the Glorious State we will build someday.

    3. Those fighting the last war (WWII). To use your excellent example above, it would be like the Apaches and the Comanches bickering over who was worst in their last tribal war, instead of focusing on the threat to ALL of them.

    The thing they have in common is that they are all excuses for doing nothing NOW.

  167. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 12, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Oh, you thought that I would tell you, as an individual, H.D., how to leave your house and just go out and change the entire historical course of a 236-year-old nation-state, with well over 300,000,000 people living in it, overnight? Or, do you suppose that your banding together publicly with the relative handful of people who comment here would be sure to do the trick– if only I were to give you all precise enough instructions on how to proceed…Step 1…Step 2…Step 3…? Okay, H.D., for an early Christmas present, and in honor of Ol’ Blue Eyes’ (posthumous) 97th birthday today (12-12-12), I will do just that:

    STEP 1 : Buy out all of the Establishment mass-media owners, and institute a complete purge of those media companies’ personnel rosters, replacing them with qualified commenters from this Web site.

    STEP 2 : Start a PAC of incomparable financial resources, and use its wealth to promote a new political party dedicated to the single issue of ending mass immigration into the United States.

    STEP 3 : Endow a private new mega-university with such immense wealth that all educators will want to leave their current universities to teach there, but which will be firmly dedicated to traditional Western and American civilization.

    STEP 4 : Now that you control all of American mass media, all political candidates with the necessary funding to compete for office, at any level, and the higher education of the best and brightest, transform the nation back to what it was intended to be, over two centuries ago.

    Have at it, boy!

  168. December 11, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Good post.

    “well if 20 million Whites threw their TVs out, it would get the attention of the elites”

    And the same fantasy thinking is going on here…the words “if” and “should” are the backbone of a lot of comments on these threads.

    The great chiefs Crazy Horse and Tecumseh both tried to make their warriors and allied tribes understand that their fight with the White man was a new kind of fight, a fight for survival, in which the rather ritualized tactics of their intertribal warfare no longer sufficed.

    But Crazy Horse’s warriors kept on taking scalps and counting coups, as if they were not in a war for survival at all, but still happily engaged in their usual sport of warring with each other.

    And in the present war of survival we whites are in, pro-Whites keep on arguing about different political systems or about the Holocaust®, as if we were not in a war for survival at all, but were comfortably ensconced in some graduate school of the 1950s studying political science and history.

    Bob (Whitaker) is my Crazy Horse and Tecumseh. He’s a genius who was a professional propagandist, and he’s a whole lot smarter than I am, but I’m just smart enough to see that the tactics he’s teaching are a formidable weapon that can penetrate white minds and loosen them from their anti-white trance.

    But it’s becoming apparent that we’re not likely to wake up pro-whites to that fact any more than the two great chiefs were able to wake up their warriors to the tactics that their own survival required.

    I guess that’s just the way human beings are.

    My tiny knowledge of Crazy Horse comes from Mari Sandoz’ biography I read in the 1960s. I remember something else from that book…the name given in frontier days to Indians who just hung around the forts and did much of nothing:

    Big Chief Laze Around the Fort.


  169. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 11, 2012 - 10:28 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I totally understand your frustration with those that INSIST on associating any pro-White movement with N*zism. And I have always found it more than a bit suspicious. I realize AH and the boys have been demonized to a ridiculous extent. But most of us do not want our children pledging an oath of personal obedience to some dictator (as happened in NS Germany).

    And most of us are mature enough to realize that their are atrocities committed in every war by both sides. The whole NS and AH thing are terribly toxic. There are only a handful of people who push it, and it becomes rather obvious after a while that their devotion is NOT to Whites so much as it is to what they consider a romantic hero.

  170. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 11, 2012 - 10:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    LOL. Oh you are just terribly poisonous, Alice! Look, I understand that MacDonald doesn’t haven anyone to moderate this site, but it would be nice if he could ban people who INITIATE personal attacks over and over. Some could be trolls, although I suspect most are just hotheads that need a place to direct their frustrated anger.

    Look fellas, just go do something against the anti-Whites! Something online or in the real world. Just coming on here to get embroiled in silly slap fights with other pro-Whties accomplishes nothing. Your people are dying out. Focus on that and the perpetrators of that historic crime.

  171. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 11, 2012 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    The men here seem to have the normal male urge to kick butt, but you’re kicking the wrong butts!

    Another great point. Direct that energy at the anti-Whites, not other pro-Whites we have some minor disagreement with. Going into forums and posting the Mantra or Mini-Mantras, and getting responses from anti-Whites is a great way to burn off that righteous anger!

  172. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 11, 2012 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:


    Quite right. I suspect we all agree on about 95% of we’d like to see done. It is changing the mind of the White public that is the problem.

    I keep hearing things that imply we already have power (let’s do X, Y and Z). To be blunt, the general ideas of posters on “what should be done” once we have great power are not interesting. The issue is how do get such power.

    This is just a personal compliant, but I get the same vibe off people who say with such pride , “I threw my TV out years ago!”. Okay, thanks grandpa, but I have no clue how that helps achieve anything. It’s as if a few dozen people in North America throwing out their TVs is a great blow to the system. They have just cut themselves off from even knowing what’s happening in the culture. Not sure how that helps us.

    Now, they may say, “well if 20 million Whites threw their TVs out, it would get the attention of the elites”. Again, that’s fine, but if we had 20 million Whites ready to take such an action, we wouldn’t be in this mess!!

    You are absolutely right. The WHOLE issue right now is how to get change the environment so that any pro-White movement has a chance. And I think you know the only solution to that on offer.

  173. December 11, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    The men here seem to have the normal male urge to kick butt, but you’re kicking the wrong butts!

  174. December 11, 2012 - 9:38 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    “I have laid out what I think needs to be done”

    My interest spiked when I read this. I was excited and surprised (I’m serious) that someone here was going to actually recommend concrete actions that people should take.

    But I should have known better.


    Instead, you wrote, “All legally deportable aliens should be deported.”

    Well, why didn’t I think of that myself?! I’m going to go find me an illegal alien and deport his sorry @ss right now!

    And you wrote, “the welfare state…needs to be phased out ‘with all deliberate speed’”

    Well, why didn’t I think of that myself?! I’m going to go downtown and shut down that freaking welfare office first thing tomorrow morning!

    And you wrote, “Constitutionalism needs to be reinvigorated, both in letter and in spirit.”

    I’ll do that tomorrow afternoon.

    And you wrote, “the one thing that needs to be done relatively quickly: end mass immigration!”

    I’ll do that tonight then.


    If there is something I’m not understanding (which has happened one or two times before in my life), please tell me what it is.

  175. ScarlettOHara's Gravatar ScarlettOHara
    December 11, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink


    A Pacific Northwestern state (i.e. Idaho, Wyoming..) seems to be the agreed on “Whites only” area. These states already have relatively high percentage of White Euro Christian population.

  176. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 11, 2012 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    May God grant you a rich, beautiful Italian wife and the inspiration to write that blockbuster. Have babies, lots of babies – that is the one thing that will really change the game.

  177. December 11, 2012 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    @John-Joseph:Saintclair: You continue to ignore my point that the massive documentation of the shootings on the Eastern front was contemporary. But it’s not a matter I greatly care about, though I’m glad some people do. Eventually, if we survive, the history will be important. Right now, great concern with it is chiefly a great distraction, since the anti-white enemy has that territory completely fortified to its own advantage.

    You keep repeating the absurdity that the petition I have been urging people to sign is aimed at politicians. Why are you doing that?

    “Will any number of petitions to politicians and presidents pleading the case of genocide who could not give a toss about about the ordinary people, least of all the White Races, save the White Races from an impending genocide?”

    How could someone as obviously intelligent as you are completely miss the point?

  178. December 11, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink


    Thanks for the post on Michael Collins Piper. Good things to know, and I hadn’t been able to get any handle on him at all. I recall vaguely that when I listened to him for the first time a few months ago he seemed rather inflamed in an odd way.

  179. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 11, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: My sympathies. I went to a high school that had hundreds of Italian kids. I took an Italian girl to the prom.(she basically wanted me to go with her, while I hated the whole idea). Why in the world, she didn’t have a boy friend was a miracle to me. She was an absolutely beautiful girl as so many italian girls are. Later, she became a Mormon and had five kids. Life, D.K. is a thing of infinite mystery and surprises. I’ll never claim to understand one percent of it, regardless of all of the “theories”.

  180. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 11, 2012 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Consider any doubts fully evaporated, Alice!

  181. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 11, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    What are ‘Anglo Saxon’ and, especially, ‘Jomi’ [supra] if not Nazi-lovers of the most virulent and vile type, Mickey? As I told Alice, early on in this thread, I believe in calling a spade a spade. Whether they ever will admit to the obvious is quite another matter…. That they are here spewing their love of the Nazis, the Third Reich, and Adolph Hitler is what gives the ADL, SPLC, et al., just the ammunition that they need to claim that White identity and self-interest is the equivalent of neo-Nazism and would-be-genocide.

    I have laid out what I think needs to be done– unlike the self-styled “White Nationalists” here, who refuse to say how they are going to take control of the nation as a whole, or some significant part thereof, and what they are going to do, then, with the burgeoning non-White portion of the extant population. I have stated that the sin qua non of saving the American Republic, and White historical homelands everywhere, is to end mass immigration– soon, totally and permanently! All legally deportable aliens should be deported. Then, the welfare state that attracts and supports immigrants, legal and illegal, as well as the Black underclass, needs to be phased out “with all deliberate speed,” and Constitutionalism needs to be reinvigorated, both in letter and in spirit. The only thing that can be done relatively quickly is the one thing that needs to be done relatively quickly: end mass immigration! The rest requires a long period of transition, education, institutionalization and socialization. What an end to mass immigration requires is a genuine mass movement that crosses all other political, ideological, theological or other sectarian bounds.

  182. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 11, 2012 - 10:36 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Perhaps you can provide evidence of my “consistently poisonous influence”? You are closer when you suggest that I do hold standards. I am not an egalitarian, therefore I find no reason to apologize for drawing distinctions. Not between those I like and dislike, but between those I respect and those I do not.

    I find it very interesting, when the need for white loyalty and a sense of solidarity is so desperately needed, how outraged you and your supporters become at any hint of a sense of community here.

    As for emotionalism and ego gratification – it is not I who is pitching a hissy fit here. It must be consoling to condemn all women. Let me clarify for you. I love men. It is simply that I hold you, personally, in disdain. I rather doubt I am alone.

  183. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 11, 2012 - 8:39 am | Permalink


    He was quoting Anglo Saxon a few months back.

  184. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 11, 2012 - 7:49 am | Permalink


    Hear this Brother thm … “Alice Teller” has been the cause of a great deal of disturbance here at TOO. If you have time, go back into the archives and see this for yourself.

    Therefore, you posting any comment in support of her and her childish posturing (especially while posing in some religious garb in your moniker photo) is doing no-one here any favours, and a huge disservice to TOO.

    Therefore, shall I conclude that you too are lacking any moral backbone? Seems like it?

    Long before you thought of it … I was posting pleas (perhaps as many as 6 now) for effective and consistent moderation at this website, yet they all seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

    Two differences between my pleas and yours is that (1) I did not first pose in religious garb, and (2) I did not address my pleas personally to Professor MacDonald, whose professional occupations (I know already) prevent him from participating in the act of site moderation.

    “Alice Teller” has been a consistently poisonous influence on this website since she made her very first appearance. Like many females who comment regularly at website such as this, she seeks to divide all others into two camps: those “she” likes and approves of … and those she has a visceral hatred for. She has an ego the size of the Empire State Building, and posts here only to have it served and stroked by meek and often effeminate males.

    Generally speaking, American males are seen (worldwide) as weak, stupid, and under the domination of their super-aggressive women. Go figure.

    Presumably, this is why American males have been sent overseas in their hundreds of thousands to kill, murder, and maim everyone else … simply because they are inveterately inadequate males. Ergo, they are universally held in contempt. Amerika is notorious as the world’s super-b*tch … or can’t you see that yet?

    Truth be known … never was a country held in so much contempt as the USA is held today.

    Easy to be ‘big’ and brave when you always ensure you outnumber those you are attacking by at least 2:1, and while also having vastly superior equipment. I have mixed with your soldiers (male and female) and they are indeed a deeply horrible lot … the detritus of somewhere deeply unattractive.

    Generally speaking, your womenfolk are nothing to be proud of, and even less deserving of praise. It is their “out of control” emotions and crass self-centredness that is driving both humanity and the world’s entire ecology to extinction.

    You fools cannot see it because you are the Goldfish swimming inside the fish bowl. Only those who can look and see you from the outside have the ability to recognize what you have become.

    You White Amerikans (including your garrulous womyn) are unquestionably guilty of murdering the heart of Europe (Germany) and therefore guilty of putting the entire White Race in its current perilous condition. You have “Hitler = Evil” on the brain because that is your last hope (your final excuse) for justifying your criminal, fratricidal actions between 1941 and 1948.

    You are in truth a nation of slaves; and your slave mentality has made you cause more inadvertent damage and mayhem to this entire world than I or others could even begin to summarize here. Do you understand this? Can you understand this? Fact is, under Amerikan domination the entire planet has been messed up, and within the space of just 80 years.

    So just sh*t the f*ck up for a change, and listen before engaging your notoriously big mouths. We Europeans will tell you what to do in future. Not the other way around.

    Presently, Amerika and “manly-leadership” are mutually exclusive concepts. Your only hope of salvation is to forcefully remove your Jewish / Bankster masters from their lofty perches, so you can at last re-normalize yourselves, and rejoin humanity as equals. Merely praying for salvation just won’t cut it … ’tis time to walk your big talk.

  185. December 11, 2012 - 6:19 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: The White Genocide that you mention is a self inflicted sacrifice to The Patrons of The Synagogue and International Finance as witness 50 million or more feeble minded American fantasists who call themselves:”Christian Zionists” who salivate and work themselves into a psychotic frenzy at the mere mention of the word:Israel; a modern utterly fake construct of those Eastern European Asiatic Mongol Khazar fake jews who call themselves:”God’s Chosen, but who have no historical, biological or ethnic connection to the Middle East whatsoever, least of all to historic Palestine.
    If the White Races see themselves as the victims of a white genocide, it is because they have wittingly or unwittingly colluded in their own alleged genocide via the ownership of the political systems of different countries by The Patrons of The Sinnergogue. In America, with the possible exception of JFK, every American politician & President in the 20th century has utterly sold out to The Patrons of The Sinnergogue. What price 30 pieces of silver?
    The people of Russia during the Russian Revolution believed the Satanic lies of the Bolshevik Communists who promised the Russians a:”Bolshevismus Paradise” and got hell on earth. It was National Socialist Germany & Europe that sought the liberation of the Russian people from Bolshevik Communism.
    Is there a National Socialism that can save the White Races from an impending
    Genocide? Is there a Jesus Christ who can save the White Races from an impending genocide? Will any number of petitions to politicians and presidents pleading the case of genocide who could not give a toss about about the ordinary people, least of all the White Races, save the White Races from an impending genocide? The parasite may destroy the host body but the parasite must necessarily perish ultimately also.
    Send your petitions to Obama and the Senate, they might use them for toilet paper. 99.99% of the DOCUMENTARY evidence that you speak of constitutes a corpus of communist propaganda that can be traced back to 1923 to smear Adolf Hitler and National Socialism, and this includes the alleged transcripts of senior German officers held captive in Britain during WW2 admitting to the imaginary HOLLOW-HOAX, the same propaganda method used by Hollywood and media corporations who make “historical documentaries” about the HOLLOW-HOAX, the most recent being a docudrama in which the actor playing Herman Goering fully admits to the HOLLOW-HOAX to an American officer, the historical fact being that Herman Goering emphatically denied the accusation of the HOLLOW-HOAX during the communist Nuremburg show trials, but people watching this jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    docutrash believe every word. Jomi

  186. December 11, 2012 - 4:47 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Why won’t you get a brain transplant? Jomi

  187. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 11, 2012 - 3:59 am | Permalink


    Why didn’t you paste the declaration about Slavs that I provided for you?

  188. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 11, 2012 - 3:45 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Yes OK D.K.

    I don’t think you should do it even then, though, because the vocabularly itself links directly to the attacks on us. Basically any talk of n*z*s immediately references the associations and imagery and guilt-trips ubiquitous in all Western societies.

    I’m appealing to what is probably fairly common but inexplicit knowledge about human nature and the way our minds tend operate.

    There are other ways to make you point. Words like genocide don’t have the hard wired associations. Mass murder is ok. Barbarity is fine.

    Another problem with what you were doing is that you are very strong on imagery when it comes to what you think cannot or must not be done, but weak on the imagery of what could work and be acceptable to us and sufficient for us.

  189. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 11, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink


    When I was eighteen, I spent nine days in Rome, for my aforementioned priestly brother’s ordination, at the hands of Pope Paul VI. I came back home to Indiana a devout Italophile. I once hoped to be an Italian, when I grew up– or, at least, to marry a large-breasted Italian babe– but, alas, it was never to be.

  190. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 11, 2012 - 1:15 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “I’m not sure why you have gotten into such a hostile mood of late, but on the other hand, you may have been attacked earlier by someone, to such an extent, that you are now venting on anyone and everyone. This is one of the downsides of the comments section here. I enjoyed your posts in the past and hope to read them again, when you return to previous form.”

    I am not “venting on anyone and everyone,” Jason. I am responding in kind to those people who have chosen to attack me– not my facts or ideas, but me personally. If you and the others take any umbrage at someone’s defending himself, after such personal attacks, tough!

    This ongoing spate began on a different thread. After I responded topically to a couple of inane comments by a WASP Anglophile named Alexander, Mickey Meadows attacked me, out of the blue, for having done so. Mickey then took up his attack again, here, as the record [supra] demonstrates. Time and again, I challenged Mickey to cite any explicit examples of my allegedly nonsensical comments. Time and again, he wholly failed to do so, while instead morally condemning me for my supposedly being responsible for the fall of Western Civilization and the destruction of both the American Republic and the White race. I decline to plead guilty to his bill of particulars, and instead stand on my rights, as a free man, to defend myself against them. “So, sue me!”

    “The people you seem to be in a current row with are hardly trouble makers. So, I am not sure what’s going on.”

    Is that a reference to yourself, Jason, or to your allies against me here, Anglo Saxon and Jomi? If you cannot tell what is going on with those two, Zeus help you!?! Mickey Meadows’ case, I have already detailed….

    “You seem to have an anti-Southern animus. I don’t know what that is about, however, I have known a few people from up North who simply could not give up the idea that their cause was righteous – or, more specifically, that Southern Whites deserved unlimited scorn. For anyone who doubts Whites can be hostile to Whites, completely unaided by an alien influence, look again.”

    I do have an anti-Southern animus– and it was exacerbated by living there, briefly, as a young man! That does not mean that I have a personal animus against any particular Southerner; nor that I feel that the South should have to live to please me and my Northern, Midwestern or urban values, rather than their own.

    I believe that each of the Southern states had an inherent right to secede from the Union, and that President Lincoln was a tyrant. That does not preclude me from loathing the antebellum culture that they were seeking to protect, and to extend further westward. As for anyone who doubts that Whites do not always get along with each other, without outside interference causing such strife, he or she obviously knows zilch about European or American history!

  191. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 11, 2012 - 12:25 am | Permalink


    You need to address that inquiry-cum-request to ‘Anglo Saxon’ [supra], whose own words I then was quoting, from his supposed goodbye post, back in May….

  192. December 10, 2012 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Dr. MacDonald, I have an idea also:

    Don’t let anyone comment here until they’ve posted the Mantra on five different websites that day!

    You’ve probably already been considering that, but I just wanted to second it.

  193. December 10, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink


    Interesting…that you and those arguing with you care so much more about WWII than you care about fighting WHITE genocide TODAY! In fact you don’t seem to care ANYthing about that. And you didn’t respond to that half of my post at all.

    “The same degree of fabrication was done to support the HOLLOW-HOAX…”

    I spoke very specifically of the DOCUMENTARY evidence, the mass of documents that were presumably produced as the shootings in the East were in progress, just as one would expect. Such evidence of course has never been forthcoming for the part of the story that rules Western psyches today.

    Irving’s remark was made before his imprisonment.

    Don’t you ever feel like you’re going to go nuts just arguing over this stuff forever, don’t you want to DO something about the situation today??? If you feel like nothing can be done until the Holocaust® is deconstructed in white minds, lots of luck.

  194. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 10, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: @D. K.: VAFFANCULLO!! What a minute man!! I have not heard that expression since high school, when my best buddy, a little Italian guy named Rick,(I won’t mention his last name) used to always say it in an excitable way. I never asked him what it meant. But see, this is why this forum amazes me. Where else would I hear an expression I haven’t heard for over forty years!!

  195. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    You are very kind. I assure you that when the first assault occurred I was stunned. Now it really is old hat and not worth bothering about. The usual suspects with the usual tired old points, delivered with all the wit and charm of a dishrag.

  196. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    I defer to your personal experience.

  197. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 10, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I’m not sure why you have gotten into such a hostile mood of late, but on the other hand, you may have been attacked earlier by someone, to such an extent, that you are now venting on anyone and everyone. This is one of the downsides of the comments section here. I enjoyed your posts in the past and hope to read them again, when you return to previous form.

    The people you seem to be in a current row with are hardly trouble makers. So, I am not sure what’s going on.

    You seem to have an anti-Southern animus. I don’t know what that is about, however, I have known a few people from up North who simply could not give up the idea that their cause was righteous – or, more specifically, that Southern Whites deserved unlimited scorn. For anyone who doubts Whites can be hostile to Whites, completely unaided by an alien influence, look again.

  198. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 10, 2012 - 7:45 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Your grace and aplomb under fire is inspiring! I always enjoy your insightful and wise posts.

  199. December 10, 2012 - 7:36 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Spoken like a true Anglo Saxon!!! Jomi

  200. December 10, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: In the asylum, everyone is completely sane.

  201. December 10, 2012 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: The same degree of fabrication was done to support the HOLLOW-HOAX in which 6 million typhus bearing lice were exterminated in the delousing chambers of the transit and work camps. David Irving is a reasonably good historian, but on the subject of the fabricated:”Shoa by Bullets” the alleged extermination of over one million imaginary beings by the Einsatzgruppen, David Irving is a hopeless story teller – oooops, I just used the TELLER word again!!!
    David Irving would not turn his nose up to 30 pieces of silver in order to discredit the German SS Einsatzgruppen. Irving has learn’t to moderate his views following his spell in an Austrian? prison on charges of HOLLOW-HOAX DENIAL, and in order to function as a historian or story teller – oooops, its that TELLER word again, I suggest that Irving must bow to 30 pieces of silver.
    The vast majority of those killed by the German/European SS Einsatzgruppen
    during Barbarossa were partisans acting outside of the Geneva Convention & The Articles of War, but Irving and other historians won’t tell you that, so the actions of the German/European SS Einsatzgruppen were completely legitimate. There were those in the SS Einsatzgruppen that did take the law into their own hands as reprisals against the killing of civilians and German soldiers by communist partisans, which is legitimate within the scope of military operations according to an individuals conscience – and remember this: Adolf Hitler stated that the war would be conducted according to the Old Testament language of:”An Eye For An Eye, And A Tooth For A Tooth.
    The Communist Partisans got exactly what they deserved, as did International Finance. Jomi

  202. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps you need reminding that Alice was the only sane one in Wonderland?

  203. December 10, 2012 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Originality comes in all shapes and sizes,but in America it comes in MEGGA FAT.
    Losing is losing by fantasists who believe they won, but they LOST:BIG TIME.
    Read the book:”The Nine Ghosts of FDR” and you will soon see who the real losers were. Stick with your congenitally retarded cripples who grace American history, the most Franklinstein of whom was Rosenvelt. Jomi

  204. December 10, 2012 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

    @Karlfried: The sacrifice of National Socialist Germany and Europe in defence of Germany and Europe against Bolshevik Communism was too great to be forgotten or swept under the carpet of history; this is why I Venerate the memory of Adolf Hitler (6.30:20) National Socialist Germany and National Socialist Europe, and I should say that these sentiments apply to that generation of Germans from 1914/18.
    Karlfried: It matters not if the events of WW2 happened long ago, in truth not so long ago since The United Soviet of America still occupies Germany to this day:WHY? I personally thank you for your kind comments and I ask you to be proud to be German and to be proud of Germany’s history, and the magnificent contribution by Adolf Hitler to the National Socialist history of Germany. Jomi

  205. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Is it my imagination or do they make an extra effort around Christmas?

  206. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    You continue to dazzle us with your originality. Losing is losing.

  207. December 10, 2012 - 6:27 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “Alice in wonderland” Teller:If you had a brain you would not be dangerous.The Greatest European in European History was not beaten – the three sociopathic congenital retards who formed the Communist Alliance between Soviet Communist Britain, Soviet Communist Russia & Soviet Communist America:Winstein Jacobson (fake Churchill) (Jewison) Stalin:”The Man of Steel” who suffered a nervous breakdown for two years, but I venture to suggest that Stalin suffered from a self induced alcoholic coma for two years or more, following Adolf Hitler’s pre-emptive attack on Soviet Communist Russia on the 22nd June 1941, and that utterly worthless cripple that American fantasists venerate to this day:Franklin (Franklinstein) Delano Rosso-Campo Rosenfelt, were comprehensively defeated by National Socialist Germany and her allies when they saw their dream of a Soviet Communist World Order evaporate before their eyes – as confirmed in the book:”The Nine Ghosts of FDR” www, which I would recommend that you read assuming you have the intellectual capability.
    Germany WON THE WAR but lost the battle due to the superior industrial capacity of Soviet Communist America to wage war, and it is a matter of historical fact, that if the American’s of the WW2 generation had an atom of intelligence between their ears they, together with Britain, they had formed an historic alliance with Germany, neither Europe, Britain or America would be in the situation they now find themselves.
    “Alice in wonderland” Teller: I have a book called:”The Hidden Hand” by Maj. Gen. Count Cherep Spirodovich, in which he states that even before the 1920s, the vast majority of adult American’s had the mental development of 12 to 14 year olds. This is the reason why the “The Patrons of The Sinnergogue” have been able to exercise absolute control over their American human bovine cattle (Goyim) and why Britain & America fought WW2 for “Good Old Uncle Joe Jewison (Stalin). The three idols of Satan mentioned above were the total losers of WW2 as were the three countries they were the autocratic masters of, and it goes without saying that International Finance has never recovered from the drubbing it received from National Socialist Germany and her allies. But don’t worry, “Alice in wonderland” Teller, if The Patrons of The Sinnergogue destroy America economically and turn America into Gulag America, let that be the price for the genocide inflicted on Germany & Europe by the WW2 generation of American’s who more than sold the souls to the Devil for 30 pieces of silver. Who in their right mind would weep for America?

  208. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 10, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Dear Dr. MacDonald,

    The comment section here at TOO might be vastly improved with a moderation policy of blocking:

    1. Ad hominem attacks (of which this thread has more than its share).

    2. Endless, unresolvable acrimonious discussions about the merits/demerits of AH/NS/Nazis/WW2 etc. (There are people that would like to have this topic rage on and be the center of every comment thread here at TOO.

    3. Endless, repetitive, gratuitous attacks on the Christian Faith (Some people here consider any mention of Christians or Christianity at TOO as a wonderful opportunity to let everyone know how religion is unscientific, why they are atheists, why they hate and have contempt for the Christan Faith and Christians etc.

    When these topics constantly and relentlessly appear in many or most comment threads at TOO, good people are driven away. You have to wonder if some of the people who constantly and repetitively engage in these are ADL/SPLC etc. trolls.

    That’s how I see it. But hey, that is just me.

    • December 10, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

      I think you are right. TOO needs a moderator able to devote a large amount of time to these issues.

  209. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 10, 2012 - 5:46 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: MPC doesn’t make the case that the Israelis pulled the trigger, nor that they were the only party to the kill. Just that they commissioned it, and coordinated the various other interested parties, as well as tidying up the judicial, political, and media situation in the aftermath. Directors of an ensemble cast.

  210. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 10, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Frankly, I have far better things to do with my precious time. There are other websites I comment at, where the atmosphere is nearly always a joy.

    Which ones are they? Do tell.

  211. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 10, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: It is long, and I make no guarantee I’m going to stick it out. Already Bugliosi seems to fall into the error of believing that conspiracies are subject to leakage, seemingly unaware that many military and intelligence operations remain completely unknown for ever, and structured around a need-to-know risk minimization. Operation Northwoods comes to mind – everyone dead, and its existence discovered serendipitously.

    I’d probably have to read Final Judgment again to reacquaint myself with Piper Collins view of the Commission, that I better understand Bugliosi.

  212. December 10, 2012 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    @ John-Joseph:Saintclair:

    David Irving said while speaking to an IHR conference some years ago that he considered the evidence for mass shootings in the East to be irrefutable.

    My impression is that the huge amount of documentation, absent for the main part of the standard story, is not the only strong evidence available for the shootings.

    One wonders also why, if that huge documentary evidence has been somehow fabricated for a part of the story that has been scarcely publicized and is hardly known by the general public, the same degree of fabrication wasn’t done for the part of the story that has been hyped to become almost the entire story.

    There could be various answers to that question of course, and my mind is certainly open since my knowledge of all that is scant.

    But what strikes me is the passion that goes into these arguments about the past on white sites, passion that should go into action about the predicament we’re in today! I rather admire Mr. H., but if he were around today he would sweep all of you out of the way in disgust, and replace you with people minded to DO something!

    The least that all you warriors-of-the-past could do is play some small part in the war of words that is our present war, and sign this measly petition to help spread our message and terminology.

    If any of you don’t yet understand that our message is the genocide of whites that is now in progress, you should turn your minds to that until you do.

    In a few days I’ll be submitting the successor to this petition, and I hope you’ll all help to get the successor up quickly so we can keep broadcasting from the White House billboard, and broadcast with more power (more signatures).

  213. December 10, 2012 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I understand! Stalin was a heavy smoker, and that would turn-off any modern woman!

    Lol! Just foolin’ with ya’, Alice! :)

    UNLESS of course, YOU haven’t signed the petition! :(

  214. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Sorry, again. It is very sad….

  215. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for your wise words. Is is very sad how easily we can be derailed by old quarrels.

  216. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:
    HD, how unkind! I never said it was the only qualification.

  217. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Jomi: “VAFFANCULO!”

  218. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:


    Anglo Saxon
    May 21, 2012 – 11:52 am | Permalink

    Actually, I have decided to wash my hands of this website. Or at the very least, wash my hands of the public comments sections. I am not the first to do this, and it is very likely I shan’t be the last. This poorly defended website has become awash with too many juvenile regulars, and hasbara trolls.

    America (that we once thought we knew and loved) is already dead, and I have finally come to accept that you cannot resuscitate a corpse. My mistake was to press on regardless in the hope that I could somehow spark a fight-back in some. Americans have long been drinking too much Fluoridated water, and now they have a Chem-trailed sky to breath from. So hours tuned into to Black-On-Blonde pornographic websites only constitutes the final chapter in the brain-killing project.

    You simply cannot have a grown up debate here at TOO without being bombarded with ludicrous ad hominems and other time-wasting nonsense. I have already identified the major culprits. I cannot do any more. In any case, the general IQ level here tends to hover around the 90 to 95 level. The worst offenders are easily identified … they are the ones busy butt-kissing each other on-line.

    Living in America is becoming very difficult for anyone with a moral conscience, a sense of justice, or a lick of intelligence.
    ~~ Paul Craig Roberts [recent quote in an article]

    Frankly, I have far better things to do with my precious time. There are other websites I comment at, where the atmosphere is nearly always a joy.


    Do we know, yet, who won the office pool on his return?

  219. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Buona fortuna! :-)

  220. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    “[C]larification”– through verbatim repetition?!? What a novel concept….

  221. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink


    How many hours long is that? Are you still young enough to risk it?

  222. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Plagiarism is not a legal concept, at all, Mickey. Copyright infringement is.

  223. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I understand your point, Mickey; I simply dismiss it out of hand as inapposite. The Left, and other Jewish interests, use such terms to try to demonize anyone who disagrees with or criticizes them. I used the term “Nazi-like” to refer to one specific thing: the use of internment, deportation or outright extermination to rid the United States of all non-Whites. Doing so, with a non-White population now well over 100,000,000, would make the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, and any other ruling party known to human history, all look like proverbial pikers. Making the comparison would only demonize (theoretical) people who deserve to be demonized.

  224. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:25 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Your uncanny ability to miss the point is hereby duly noted, Jason; however, as someone who does not believe in God, I was making no such theological claim. (Feel free to consult my priestly brother, however.) Nor am I “gloating” over the fact that my (and my priestly brother’s) original hometown is now a moribund and infamous hell-hole, which vies annually for the title of per-capita murder capital of the United States. Shall I thank my gentlemanly and ladylike Southern co-nationals for gifting my Northern birthplace with thousands of the descendants of their Biblically sanctioned slaves?

  225. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Thank you, H. D.! As my then-Congressman, Earl Landgrebe, infamously said, during the House impeachment hearings for President Nixon (1974): “Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind.”

  226. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 2:00 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    “The Occidental Observer — White Identity, Interests, and Culture” is what this Web site of Dr. MacDonald’s is named, Mickey. He certainly has not included “White Nationalism” anywhere in its title. Is that a mere oversight, Mickey– or, perhaps, a mere “typo?!?”

    As I have mentioned here, already, “White Nationalism” means, to me, the creation of a Whites-only ethno-state, not merely the maintaining of a White majority and an explicitly Western culture. If Dr. MacDonald ever has explicitly advocated ridding the United States, or any other historically White nation-state, of its non-White citizens, by whichever means its White population or its leadership might devise, I have certainly never read that advocation by him. I have explicitly noted in previous threads here that if he were to inform me– through an article, blog post, comment or private e-mail– that this is a Web site only for avowed “White Nationalists,” like you, I would leave it of my own accord, never to return, because I am not a “White Nationalist.” I have yet to see any such declaration from him. Your making it for him really does not impress me, Mickey.

    What I said, in my initial comment, here, and which I repeated in full, for your attention, much more recently, is that the vast majority of White Americans do not share your belief in “White Nationalism,” nor your desire for a Whites-only United States, brought about through either the internment, deportation or extermination of all non-Whites, including Black citizens whose roots here go back to the 17th or 18th Century. I pointed out that most White Americans, including most of those who would approve of their own states’ secession from the Union, would not support any such removal of all of the non-White citizens of this country, let alone the means necessary to bring it about. They would consider such a program Nazi-like, and it would not take a propaganda campaign by the ADL to bring them around to that characterization. They do not have the affection for Nazi Germany that so many of this site’s denizens obviously do. (Ain’t that right, Jomi?)

  227. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 1:30 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    The future does not belong to me, H. D. Regardless, I do know that a future “White Nationalist” ethno-state in the United States is a pipe dream; so, I am certainly not trying to suggest to anyone how it be ought to be arranged, after all of these Internet warriors overthrow the federal government, or defeat its attempt(s) to reclaim a stolen portion of its sovereign territory, or whatever else their fevered brains now may imagine….

  228. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 10, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Where have I said any such thing, Jason? I merely pointed out that there are tens of millions of Blacks in the United States, now, because certain people brought those Blacks’ ancestors here, against their will, centuries ago. (Or, is that just more Communist propaganda, Jomi?!?) When you are done with red herrings and straw men, feel free to get back to me….

  229. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Ho-hum…. same old, same old. Really, you ought to get some new material. Doesn’t it get old living down to every slur ever thrown at WN?

  230. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 10, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I’d wager that men who win would have no preference at all for a spite-filled, ill-disciplined, little vixen like you.

    As I have attempted to state previously, your mouth is far bigger than your brain. This is attested by you repeatedly applauding the lowest common denominators who reside here. And that’s on the record.

    You are living proof that for ethno-Europeans to again aspire to greatness, their women-folk will first need to be consigned to the home & offspring, where their emotional demons and destructive tendencies can be properly kept in check.

    Amerikan women are notorious for being problematic at best. But those from the State of Virginia (plus also Connecticut and Massachusetts) are frequently seen as simply being the pits.

  231. December 10, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: @Alice Teller: @Alice Teller:

    “I have a real preference for men who win.”

    You’ll like Stalin then! :)

  232. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 10, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    John Josef St. Clair
    Anglo Saxon
    Mickey Meadows

    I add some remarks to the discussion. — John Josef St. Clair and Anglo Saxon wrote some refreshing aspects about the history of the years 1920 to 1948. — Mickey Meadows has another point of view. — I think, we should work together, despite the fact that some of us have different opinions about some historic events. — Another example: In Germany, some hold the opinion that our own chancellor of that time was the bad guy in that game. Others think that Churchill — Roosevelt/Rosenfeld — Morgenthau — Eisenhower — Lenin/Stalin and their financiers are a group of criminals worse than anyone on earth could have imagined.

    All this people acted 70 years ago. Those people are dead since decades. Nowadays we have the very real thread that our beloved white race will fade away/will be killed. Therefore we must use our time and power for the common task of survival. The science of history should be done without any anger or personal insults. Different believes in history should not divide us. There must be room for different political opinions.

  233. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    Alice in Wonderland? Wow, brilliant! I never heard anyone use that one before! I am simply left wondering why Richard Pierce, foe of all things religious ,has not attacked you for your worship of the Divine Avatar. Did you overlook the fact that the fellow you call GREATEST EUROPEAN IN EUROPEAN HISTORY.
    got beaten rather badly and led his people and country to total defeat? Perhaps we can all look at little higher. I have a real preference for men who win.

  234. December 10, 2012 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: If I were looking for a waste of space, you would be it, together with M.K. & “Alice in Wonderland” Teller.
    Question: Is Alice Teller by any chance related to that sociopath Edward Teller?
    If not, they are twin mentalities, and if “Alice in Wonderland” Teller is looking for madmen, she need look no further that the congenital sociopathic retards that grace American history and especially America as The United Soviet of America. America produced a cripple by the name of Rosenfelt whose criminal record as a President remains virtually unprecedented to this day; but having said that, there are no shortage of mental, physical & spiritual cripples in America. That is the price of jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooish
    syphilisation and America is unquestionable the most SYPHILISED country on the planet.
    As I said previous:America is just a Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck imitation of the Hollywood fantasy factory which is nothing but a prototype of the asylum, and in the asylum everyone is completely sane.
    The Presidential cripples that The United Soviet of America has produced could not even begin to match or equal the intellectual and spiritual genius of the GREATEST EUROPEAN IN EUROPEAN HISTORY.
    PLEASE, don’t send my regards to Broadway because those of us with an intellect have no interest in Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse fantasists with the mental age of a five or six year old. Is there any chance that America could FREEZE OVER for a few centuries and give humanity a breathing space? Jomi

  235. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 10, 2012 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Ahh, it is good to have you back Mickey! We rely on you and your wonderful sense of humor to keep the Avatar Worshiping madmen in their proper place. Bravo!

  236. December 10, 2012 - 5:54 am | Permalink

    So good to see the troops here fighting White Genocide and destroying anti-whites!

    I wish I possessed more subtlety, so your methods wouldn’t escape my comprehension.

    The General exhorts his troops,

    “Meet the enemy and destroy him!”

    A soldier from the ranks pipes up,

    “But who is the enemy exactly, Sir? And are some of us not more like unto the enemy than to each other? And…(etc. etc. etc.)”

    White GeNOcide!
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white!

  237. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 10, 2012 - 2:17 am | Permalink

    @John-Joseph:Saintclair :
    @Anglo Saxon:

    Get a room together you daft old buggers. Poles, Russians, Belorusians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Czechs, Latgalians TOTALLY disagree with you and are EXTREMELY hostile to H*tler and N*z*sm. What’s more, their views would only harden if they heard either of you speak on the matter. Your arguments are hardly bother to hide what appear to be your real views on the matter. Anglo Saxon speciously defends plans to conquer and depopulate Slavic countries on the grounds ‘Germans were already living there’.

    You both know that it is extremely common among fervent N*z*s like yourselves to see Slavs as not fully White. You fooling yourselves in your thirst for glorification of Ad*lf H*tler.

    I tell you what…I’ll make a simple bet with you, based on my judgement of what your character is probably like. I know it takes a courage and integrity to be a white nationalist…so I’m going to bet that while you might decieve yourself when you’re not thinking too much about it, you’ll both have too much honour and integrity to repeat after me the following statement unless you sincerely believe it with all your heart.

    So repeat this after me…pasting it into a reply (below is example for Anglo Saxon)


    Go on, paste that back both of you. Prove your sincerity. I trust you…I believe you’ll have too much integrity to lie on oath and soil everything you hold dear just to win a point.

    Which means – I think – neither of you will paste that statement. Let’s see.

  238. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 10, 2012 - 1:14 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    oh lol… I believe there’s an A.A.Milne Poo Bear underneath your worldly wise exterior.

    You completely missed the substance of the matter. What I personally think H*tler/NS thought of East Europeans…may be important to me…I may have indulged myself in expressing my personal view…but it had absolutely no relevance or importance to the substantial point being made. I’m one person with one view. Doesn’t matter. Millions of East Europeans, the overwhelming majority take the same sort of view. Does matter. Matters a lot.

    Or at least matters a lot if you agree that we have to unite around something and be one people.

    You didn’t even address or respond to this central point of substance. Instead you went off on this long spiel……made a few rather shallow points which you then hid behind a whole truckload of pointless invective. None of which I would have minded that much if you’d shown you had comprehended what we were actually talking about.

    “When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.”
    ― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

  239. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 9, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    @ John-Joseph:Saintclair … December 9, 2012 – 2:01 pm:
    Thank you for your intelligent and accurate response Mr. John-Joseph.

    Yes, the character calling him/herself “Mickey Meadows” is indeed a communistic joker … as are several others commenting ubiquitously here at TOO. I normally ignore his effeminate and vacuous comments, but thought this time to make an exception as he presented me with a nice lead in.

    A healthy nose can always detect human garbage, even from a great distance. Let these characters rot (they and their sympathizers are easy to identify) while we get on with healing this utterly sick world. Vengeance will be delivered to the guilty when we are good and ready.

    Yes, the so-called Jewish “Holocaust” was invented for several reasons … some political, others economic. But its primary role has been to hide the stomach-churning genocide of the German people, and thus by extension, of ethno-European people. Although an imperfect soul, Adolf Hitler will doubtless be exonerated (eventually) from the insane nonsense he has been (and continues to be) accused of. This will allow his elevation to his rightful place in history: alongside the greatest leaders the world has ever known.

    In memory of the 5,500 at Bromberg: May those who were brutally murdered and mutilated — children were nailed to barns, women were raped and hacked to death with axes, men were executed where they stood — finally receive a modicum of justice. We ethno-Europeans owe it to them.

  240. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 9, 2012 - 11:08 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Sounds like a plan! Go for it. To my great sorrow, I hold no hope for Virginia, it has long since been captured by DC. None the less, I do believe in freedom and still hold hope for it. My plan is simply to tell anyone who will listen that we need not be dictated to by people who have clearly demonstrated that they cannot run a bake sale, much less a nation. The Constitution has become a tool for our destruction. The Supreme Court dictates to us rather then protect our freedom. It ain’t working. Whether the FEDS fail via fiscal policies or revolution or simply non-compliance, it would be wise to be prepared for the fall.

    If any state manages to gain freedom many more will demand to follow. Each can then institute policies which seem best for them. Anyone, of any shade, who does not approve will be free to relocate. I suspect that simply reverting to the policy of the first settlement, that any one who doesn’t work will not eat, will go a long way toward achieving my goal. The most dangerous position any of us can take it the defeatist one, which proclaims that we are doomed and nothing will change that.

    As to how I hope to bring this about, it is a simple as using the credibility gained in a lifetime within my own community. I am not a purist. I am willing to use almost any tool which will advance our cause. I am a white loyalist, but it is not my total identity. I work for historic preservation and voice my fears about who will continue the work when we are gone. I am a locavore and foodie, and point out the dangers inherent in government policies regarding food and GMO’s. I support home-schoolers and find fertile ground among that community. I care about the environment and point out the dangers of unsustainable population growth. The list goes on and on. We are all part of different communities, in nearly all I suspect one can find means to advance our cause. I try to use tact and patience ,gently leading and suggesting rather then head bashing. I have had some success. I recommend the method to all.

  241. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 9, 2012 - 2:50 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    … they wanted to enslave the Slavic and East European peoples … Or is that false propaganda I have yet to be cleansed of?

    “They” (as you timidly put it) did NOT want to enslave the Slavic and East European peoples. Not at all. Why don’t you spend some time searching for documentary proof before spouting yet more nonsense? You have a habit of appearing so cock-sure of yourself even when it is obvious you have not done one iota of proper research. So always remember to do your homework, as these issues are of vital importance.

    You will need some originals in the German language (if they exist) as mistranslations have already been used to routinely demonize NSDAP history and policy. The so-called “Final Solution” being one example.

    In reality, the Wehrmacht included large contingents of Russian, Ukrainian, and Romanian troops formed as Russian / Ukrainian / Romanian brigades. Something like half a million Russians (perhaps many more) voluntarily fought for Adolf Hitler and against Stalin. They too were dedicated to the task of crushing Bolshevism. When German troops first entered the Ukraine, they were greeted with flowers, kisses, open arms, and food.

    Unfortunately, the Wehrmacht’s initial advances were so successful and so rapid that Germany and its Allies struggled to feed and provide shelter to the many millions of Soviet Troops who had already surrendered. Unlike the Soviets, the Germans were signatories to the Geneva Conventions.

    Therefore, your beliefs (imposed upon you by the Jews of England) could be categorized as either as entirely false, a gross distortion, or merely childish.

    It is entirely up to you whether or not you wish to be purged of such propagandic nonsense. You have to take full possession of your own mind. If you don’t … others will control you.

    I always laugh at those ignoramuses who complain about the policy known as Lebensraum, largely because ethnic Germans had already inhabited those lands well to the east of the Oder and Elbe (including the Ukraine and certain parts of southern Russia) ever since the days of Catherine the Great. Have you never heard of the “Volga Germans”?

    National Socialism is not “Naziism”. The NSDAP never owned the copyright. National Socialism is simply the opposite of International Socialism (aka Communism and the New World Order). National Socialism is a process, theory, attitude, and universal ideology … not an uncomfortable label to be expunged or ‘outlawed’ by whippets, ‘English’ faggots, or the ill-educated.

    • December 9, 2012 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

      @Anglo Saxon: Why do you waste your mental energies responding to idiots like Mickey Meadows – he should change his name to Mickey Mouse because he is a classic American Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck fantasist drip fed on Communist Propaganda garbage.
      Anglo Saxon: The number of Russians that fought alongside German Soldiers in german uniforms was one and a half million approx.
      Get on to:www.howwarsaremade – index for a very comprehensive list of books, most of which if not all, are banned books about WW2 and read, if you can:”Twilight over England” by William Joyce and “The Nameless War” by Capt. A.H.M. Ramsay, you may be able to download a complete copy of:”The German White Book” which deals with the German/Polish Treaty of Non Aggression signed in 1934. The German White Book deals extensively with the events leading up to the Full German Defensive Counter Attack against Poland in 1939. The Poles were encourage by Britain, France & America to mobilise in August 1939 against Germany. Two million Poles were mobilised & segments of the Polish military, Police and civilians attacked German territory along 44 points of the Polish/German border slaughtering thousands of ethnic Danzig Germans.
      I have stopped subscribing to the American Occidental Observer because I will not respond to or read the garbage from infantile mentalities like Mickey (Mouse) Meadows and M.K.
      Another excellent response from you to Mickey Mouse.
      Keep studying and defending German/European National Socialism as your contribution to the memory of those heroic German/European National Socialists who made the greatest sacrifice for the security of Germany/Europe and Western Civilisation. Adolf Hitler (6.30:20) was a Divine Avatar whose memory will live as long as there are those who identify with and defend National Socialism. Jomi

  242. December 9, 2012 - 1:57 am | Permalink

    Slowly, slowly, slowly, “anti-white” and “white genocide” are becoming part of the nation’s everyday parlance. Move over, R-word!

    There we go. And folks, don’t you want to be a part of that? I mean really, truly, don’t you???

  243. December 9, 2012 - 1:54 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    YOW! I wrote “anti-racist” when I meant to write “anti-white”! I knew I was going to make that mistake eventually! Time to pack it in for the night!

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white!

    Jason, I don’t understand it, really. If those 100 people joined us, it would be so kick-butt. I truly just do not understand it.

  244. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 9, 2012 - 1:29 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Absolutely you should free your slaves and remember to sic them on the White Anti-Whites.

    You know, there must be at least one hundred people who regularly post on TOO and SF who could double or triple our output overnight. But, I suspect that doesn’t please the ego quite as much. It’s much more fun to spin world changing Grand Theories, or quote Nietzsche, or engage in pseudo-intellectual debate. And don’t forget Conspiracy Theories! Yum Yum.

    Oh, and don’t forget extensive theological discussions! It finally hit me a while back, White people have no shortage of theology, philosophy and Great Ideas. That isn’t where the need lies. What we need is to wake Whites up to what is happening to them. To go outside our comfortable little world and engage the real world.

    All I can say is it is rewarding once you do it – as you know very well.

  245. December 9, 2012 - 1:23 am | Permalink

    Valhalla, the great white chat room in the sky.

  246. December 9, 2012 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You know, I’m thinking it’s time for me to free all my slaves.

    So Jason, have you got all these folks over here organized to spread the Mantra yet? Are they going to do it free-form like we do at Bugs, or have they divided up the mainstream-o-sphere among themselves?

    Cool that that asian dude popped up out of nowhere and made a video about race that began with a discussion of white genocide. I guess he thinks that’s a sexy topic now. I don’t remember ever swarming that guy, so I guess he just picked it up from some of the places we laid it down or some of the people we laid it down on, or maybe someone here swarmed him. Do you reckon?

    Oops, I don’t want to spill the beans that everyone here is a secret bugster. They’re doing such a great job of maintaining their cover.

    Slowly, slowly, slowly, “anti-racist” and “white genocide” are becoming part of the nation’s everyday parlance. Move over, R-word!

    Of course it would take two years instead of twenty if all these “pro-whites” chatting on white sites would pitch in and help.

  247. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    I just heard Jamie Foxx hosting SNL. In his new movie, Django, he says he gets free of his chains and kills all the White people. The audience roared it’s approval. What a world you people are leaving your White children. Yet, you worry over being “fair” to blacks and browns.

    You will not be remembered kindly.

  248. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    “The N*z*s, by the way, were a real historical phenomenon, Mickey, not a mere construct of our omnipotent Semitic enemies. ”

    D.K. are you deliberately distorting what I have said, or did you not read it, or did you not understand it, or what?

    I said that our enemies sought to blur the line between Whites doing what every other group/race does – i.e. seek to live together, thrive, control land, secure continuity and a better future for their descendents….and concepts such as evil, s*premacism, n*z*s, hate, H*locausts and so on.

    What part of that suggests I don’t think the N*z*s were real, the H*locaust was real, evil is real, s*premacism is real?

    It was the blurring of the line between those real things and the natural and normal expression of identity and self-interest of ethnic Europeans.

    I hope this clarification helps as I am eager to hear your reply.

  249. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I have procured an audiobook of the Bugliosi tome.

  250. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 8:50 pm | Permalink

    @ J-J Saintclair: One point – on the Eastern Front, I don’t believe the Germans adhered to the Geneva Convention, knowing that the opposite side did not. Babi Yar’s numbers just don’t make sense, and I view astronomically high Einsatzgruppen killings as similarly improbable.

  251. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Watched the video but it’s hard to conclude anything. Your link had a great clip of Nixon on LBJ:
    Worth the visit for that gem alone.

  252. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    @ J-J Saintclair: Thanks for the pointers, which I do take seriously, not having researched enough to dig myself in to a particular opinion. On Japan, whilst their treatment of Allied POW’s was deplorable, there is much malarkey about the so-called Rape of Nanking, which is up there with the Holocaust as a fabrication cut to serve the geopolitics of the time. (America’s casting around for a casus belli to serve Jewish interests by warring against Hitler).

    The Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact has many papers devoted to the non-existent Nanking Massacre by the Japanese, and importantly, correct revisionist methods are employed. That is, primary sources analysed are from hostile, not sympathetic parties – the KMT, the Chinese communists, as well as Americans.

    Suvarov I am familiar with, having watched his presentations, and do not discount his point of view.

  253. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 6:18 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Self-plagiarism is actually a real legal concept, or I think so.

    Perhaps D.K. will tell us.

  254. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Anglo – I agree the Germans and northerners in general are the core of our people. However…I’m not much a fan of 1930’s/1940’s Germany because, for example, they wanted to enslave the Slavic and East European peoples.

    Or is that false propaganda I have yet to be cleansed of?

    Assuming not…I cannot see how any concept or reference to that regime can help us at the current time. East Europeans are part of our people. Maybe they aren’t ‘core’ …but then again nor are the Celts (or most of the English), but we still luv ’em.

    Point being….it’s hard to see East Europeans being willing to embrack NS. And we really do need to be one people in the decades ahead.

    What do you think?

  255. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Haha. I need to sue myself.

  256. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason you are guilty inverted self-plagiarism

  257. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    “The Nazis, by the way, were a real historical phenomenon, Mickey, not a mere construct of our omnipotent Semitic enemies. ”

    D.K. are you deliberately distorting what I have said, or did you not read it, or did you not understand it, or what?

    I said that our enemies sought to blur the line between Whites doing what every other group/race does – i.e. seek to live together, thrive, control land, secure continuity and a better future for their descendents….and concepts such as evil, s*premacism, n*z*s, hate, H*locausts and so on.

    What part of that suggests I don’t think the N*z*s were real, the H*locaust was real, evil is real, s*premacism is real?

    It was the blurring of the line between those real things and the natural and normal expression of identity and self-interest of ethnic Europeans.

    Do you understand my point now?

  258. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I am having horrible formatting issues! Let me try again.

    I believe that the Bible has something to say about those who sow the wind…

    So, I am supposed to believe God wanted 700,000 dead White people to “pay” for the institution of slavery in the South? Even though the Bible explicitly endorsed slavery many times? But regardless of the Bible, you are suggesting Whites in the South deserved what they got. That is totally out of whack historically and bizarre form a moral standpoint.

    Why would you gloat over the destruction of an entire White civilization?

  259. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I believe that the Bible has something to say about those who sow the wind…. /blockquote>

    So, I am supposed to believe God wanted 700,000 dead White people to “pay” for the institution of slavery in the South? Even though the Bible explicitly endorsed slavery many times? But regardless of the Bible, you are suggesting Whites in the South deserved what they got. That is totally out of whack historically and bizarre form a moral standpoint.

    Why would you gloat over the destruction of an entire White civilization?

  260. December 8, 2012 - 5:49 pm | Permalink

    @ D.K. I keep forgetting that posts with more than one link don’t go right up. Please see my reply to you above when it goes up.

  261. December 8, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @ Saintclair: D.K. left himself a way out with the expression “mass executions.” The evidence for mass executions by shooting behind the Eastern front is incontrovertible. Reams of German documents, unlike on other matters.

  262. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    At the start I was only reacting to some posts I thought were unhelpful, but the more I talk to you the more I am left wondering what you want for your time on TOO. You seem to be interested in demonizing the concept of white nationalism by associating it to n*z*s, hate, supremacism, evil etc.

    But we are all WN’s here and only a minority subscribe to things like national socialism. Kevin MacDonald is a WN…are you accusing him of being an evil N*z*?

    Perhaps we should come to this from the other direction. A lot of the associations and demonizing you are doing, is similar to what, say, ADL is doing.

    So…could you let us know what, if anything, you think ADL is getting wrong about us? Also, perhaps wrong in general?

  263. December 8, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I’ve followed this thread only slightly, but as usual there’s a lot of focus on how the future is to be arranged (I’ve stumbled into a madhouse, right, where the inmates imagine they are delegates to the Congress of Vienna) once we acquire the ability to arrange it.

    I recommend instead a focus on how to acquire the ability to do ANYTHING AT ALL!

    While taking a break from your deliberations, will everyone who hasn’t please sign these two petitions I’ve been urging on you. The first one has been dead in the water today:

  264. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    … (Sorry post got cut off)

    To say things that happened centuries ago bind our hands forever and force us to leave our children in a perpetually unstable political situation just makes no sense.

  265. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 5:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Every human population, every race, and every people have engaged in conquest and slavery. There are no exceptions. The Muslims enslaved tens of millions of people, including almost 1,000,000 white people, Mainly our white women. Yet there are no demands that Muslim countries be forced to allow whites and other non-Arabs to flood into their countries.

    The Japanese have a horrendous colonial history which includes rape and slaughter all throughout Asia. Yet no one seems to believe Japan must be forced to take in tens of millions of non-Japanese.

    To say things that happened centuries ago Find our hands forever and force us to leave our children

  266. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Oh, nothing which I have not personally witnessed really happened, Jomi? Or, just nothing which I have not personally witnessed that does not comport with your own Naziphilic delusions? I could suggest that you read Richard Rhodes’ history– “Masters of Death: The SS Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust” (2002)– but, I know, only too well, that all such recommendations are wasted on True Believers, like you.

    • December 9, 2012 - 6:31 am | Permalink

      @D. K.: D.K: Your delusional mentality is a product of the society in which you live, and it goes without saying the The United Soviet of America is a model of Micky Mouse & Donald Duck Hollywood, the fantasy factory of childish dreams and illusions.
      Keep reading Goldhagen and other fantasists, it won’t alter the fact that you can’t provide a shred of evidence to support claims of mass shootings by the Einsatzgruppen in the East, and as for the suggestion on this blog that there is abundant material evidence incriminating the Einsatzgruppen of mass shootings, this alleged evidence is fabricated communist propaganda constructed by Soviet Communist America, Soviet Communist Britain & Soviet Communist Russia. Communist partisans operating outside of the Articles of War were captured and tried by military tribunal, and if found guilty, shot.
      The Patrons of The Sinnergogue hired the services of a Roman Catholic priest, whose name I cannot remember, a few years ago who engaged in a search for evidence of mass shootings in Eastern Europe. he failed to find any material evidence, including mass graves, to support the fantasy of mass shootings by the Einsatzgruppen. The fiction that you support is a jewish construct now called:”Shoah by Bullets,” because the fiction of the HollowHoax(tm) has lost all credibility in the face scientific investigation.
      The Patrons of The Sinnergogue have, as I said previous, a 1919 document which is a total fraud, claiming to constitute “evidence” that Adolf Hitler had completely formulated his plans for the extermination of six million typhus bearing lice in the delousing chambers. In a 1937/38 copy of the New York Times, the following was stated:”Six million victims noted.” Six million victims noted 2/3 years before the certainty of a European War.
      As I said previous:Soviet Communist Britain, Soviet Communist America & Soviet Communist Russia were wholly responsible for starting WW2.
      This is my last response to you as I really have no wish to waste my mental energies on Donald Duck & Micky Mouse fantasists with the mental age of a 5 or 6 year old. Jomi

  267. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Jomi: The Einsatzgruppen alone summarily executed well over a million people. That is not a mere myth, created by the so-called “Holocaust Industry” after the war.

    • December 8, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

      @D. K.: Your comment:”The Einsatzgruppen alone summarily executed well over a million people.” Were these people jews by any chance? D.K. Are you quoting the psychological diahorrea of Daniel Jonah Goldhagen from his book:”Hitler’s Willing Executioners,” by any chance?
      Have you read Goldhagen’s other book:”Stalin’s Willing Executioners,” by any chance? D.K. Did you personally witness the extermination of well over a million people by the Einsatzgruppen, by any chance? If not, what is your source, and where is your evidence? Jomi

  268. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Well, I thought that I would write the ultimate Great American Novel, Alice, and become the Harriet Beecher Stowe of the Twenty-First Century!?! Either that or else marry some billionaire’s trophy widow, and then use all of her inherited wealth to promote my monomaniacal vision for the United States. Now, how do you intend to get the Old Dominion to secede, and all of its undesirables to move to Vermont or California?

  269. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    When Vincent Bugliosi’s tome came out, Vlad, I read several reviews of it by researchers, rather than by the Establishment mass media, and decided that it was not a book that I was going to rush to read, let alone to buy. It is no more the last word on the assassination than was the loathsome “Case Closed” by the insufferable Gerald Posner. To have someone like you, who claims to have read all of five books on the assassination, to date, tell someone like me, who is trained in Law (J.D.), Personality and Social Psychology (M.S.), and History (B.A.), inter alia, and who, as already mentioned, has read scores of books on the assassination, over the past quarter century, in addition to watching many television and film documentaries, and doing a great deal of Web research, on the subject, that I “don’t really want to know the truth” is as laughable as it is insulting. Again, I have no desire to hijack a thread on this Web site to rehash those debates that have been ongoing, on dedicated Web sites, for a couple of decades now. If you wish to debate me publicly, I will be happy to do so, despite my making no claim to my being an expert per se on the subject; just send a certified or cashier’s check to my agent, to cover all of my necessary expenses….

  270. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I “represent the Post War [sic] generation that bought all this,” Mickey?!? The oldest members of my Baby Boom Generation– Bill Clinton and his cohort– were all still teenagers when L.B.J. signed the Hart-Celler Act, on Liberty Island, on Sunday, October 3, 1965. I was myself still a week shy of my ninth birthday, that day. That was already after both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and much of the rest of L.B.J.’s “Great Society” program. It was L.B.J.’s successor, Republican Richard Nixon, whose administration created the Hispanic/non-Hispanic dichotomy for American demographics, and instituted Affirmative Action. You have the chutzpah not only to blame my generation for the collapse of the entire Western World, but to lecture me on my alleged ignorance? You are a joke, Mickey! Maybe when you bear a grown-up name, instead of a child’s nickname, you will prove to be a tad less callow…. In the meantime, I will not hold my breath waiting for that list of particulars, citing my allegedly nonsensical postings, “of late,” and explicating specifically where each of those falls short of logical coherence– rather than of the ideological purity that you, as a movement leader, require of us mere worker ants.

    The Nazis, by the way, were a real historical phenomenon, Mickey, not a mere construct of our omnipotent Semitic enemies. My father spent years crossing the Atlantic, being shot at by their wolfpacks; and, his cutter even is credited with sinking a U-boat, out on its maiden voyage– for which he and his mates were morally condemned, here, some time ago, by resident Nazi-lovers. The fact that the Nazis were not the worst of those fighting World War II does not make them the good guys. Their ideological belief in racial purity, and their well-documented use of deportations, internment and mass executions, are historical facts, and not merely some nefarious Semitic propaganda creation. For you avowed “White Nationalists” to pretend that similar tactics would not be necessary to make the United States, or any other majority-White country with a burgeoning non-White population, into a racially pure White ethno-state is either a bald-faced lie or else a self-delusion worthy of that famous fictional antebellum character who is so notorious that she actually has an MMPI psychiatric profile named after her– Scarlett O’Hara: “I’ll think about it tomorrow….”

    • December 8, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

      @D. K.: If you believe that:”Their (the Nazis) ideological belief in racial purity, and their well documented use of deportations, internment and mass executions, are historical facts and not merely some nefarious Semitic propaganda creation,” provide the EVIDENCE to support your claim for mass executions instead of parroting Zionist Communist propaganda. In the first instance: National Socialist Germany adhered to the Geneva Conventions and The Articles of War. The National Socialist Government of Adolf Hitler granted unprecedented access to the International Red Cross to monitor and inspect ALL of the transit and internment camps from 1940, and if it is not too much trouble, you can find references to original International Red Cross documentation stating that in 1945, four or five months before the end of the war, Red Cross teams could not find any mechanical evidence for the destruction of the jews. Stalin and his henchmen who controlled the REAL EXTERMINATION CAMPS, slave labour camps and torture chambers and who presided over the physical liquidation of millions, DID NOT grant access to any extermination and slave labour camps within the Soviet Gulag to the International Red Cross, and Soviet Communist Russia DID NOT adhere to the Geneva Convention neither did Soviet Communist Britain and Soviet Communist America, and these three communist countries were wholly responsible for the genocide that was WW2.
      Your comments fall short of logical coherence on the above and it is clear to me that you adhere to the fairy story narrative of the American Zionist Communist Government on WW2.
      Your father spent years crossing the Atlantic, presumably in the Atlantic Convoys that supplied Soviet Communist Russia with armament to destroy Western Europe which Germany and her European allies were fighting to protect
      against Bolshevik Communism.
      D.K. In your ignorance, those pictures of Churchill, Stalin & Rosenfelt that are in history books of WW2, represent the alliance between Soviet Communist Britain, Soviet Communist Russia & Soviet Communist America, and it is the Soviet Communist narrative of WW2 that BRAIN DEAD Americans have rammed down their throats to this day. Jomi

  271. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 8, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You didn’t ask the Blacks to be your countrymen, Jason? Well, someone the hell sure did, because they cannot swim for squat, so they sure as hell did not all swim here from West Africa, by the millions!?! The antebellum South was not only happy to have millions of Negroes living there; it demanded of the North that it be allowed to do so, in perpetuity– and, to expand their range to the west, without reservations! I believe that the Bible has something to say about those who sow the wind….

  272. December 8, 2012 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    Coming soon to a TOO thread near you!

    Thanks to all of you who have signed our STOP White Genocide petition on the White House site!

    Everyone else, please continue to sign it!

    In several days we’ll submit its successor, since we’re going to continue to use Obama’s billboard to implant our memes and terminology in the white audience there.

    When the new petition appears, and when the others that will follow it appear, please help us to get each one of those up also!

    Thank you!

  273. December 8, 2012 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Very good points about the importance of NOT using the anti-whites’ vocabulary! Doing so hammers home into white minds the anti-white memes that that vocabulary is laden with!

    We hammer home our own vocabulary and memes: “anti-white,” “White Genocide,” and “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

  274. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 8, 2012 - 7:24 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    … I am unwilling to support either the extermination, internment or deportation of scores of millions of my fellow Americans.

    Well no one should be outlining specific policies in the current environment anyway. However, remember, almost none of those people treat you as a countryman, do they? And we didn’t ask them to be our countrymen. When 75% of all non-White groups vote against Whites, can you feel much loyalty toward them? Can you afford to?

    At the moment, I feel the value of talking secession is that it lets other implicitly pro-White people know they have allies. It lets them know they aren’t alone. I would agree with something I think you said earlier, or maybe it was someone else, which is if all we do is secede and then maintain a multicultural South, we have accomplished nothing.

  275. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 8, 2012 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: The United Nations (“League of Nations” version 2) was brought into being, in the UNITED STATES OF AMERIKA, as early as 1943.

    The price extracted for this monstrous creation, was the mass murder of the German People and the criminal destruction (i.e., physical annihilation) of National Socialism … followed by their institutionalized demonization, which is ongoing.

    The transitional agencies for this transformation do have bases in Europe, but during the 1940s these operated entirely out of Manhattan (NYC), Washington DC, and Chicago … with strong support from Hollywood, the San Francisco crowd, and places like Ottawa, Canada.

    The first Atomic Bomb was intended for Germany, and NOT Japan. Had the Third Reich held out 3 or 4 months longer, then a mushroom cloud would have risen over Berlin.

    The German People form the core of the White Race.

    All and any ethno-Europeans who continue to snide about “the Nazis” and the Wehrmacht, almost 70 years later, are stupid beyond measure and deserve severe censure.

    It should already be obvious to all why Sweden has been especially targeted for unfettered immigration from the (brown-skinned) “Third World”.

    • December 8, 2012 - 1:01 pm | Permalink

      @Anglo Saxon: Anglo Saxon, this is from Jomi (1.20): Some of the best comments yet, and I agree that Germany WAS the intended target for the first Atomic Bomb, and as I am sure you know, germany accepted unconditional surrender, but I venture to suggest that the Patrons of The Sinnergogue had also intended to drop Atomic Bombs Japan regardless, to send a message to those who oppose International Finance & the Patrons of The Sinnergogue what their fate would be.
      Eustace Mullins described the Atom Bomb:”The jewish Terror Bomb.”
      Your comment:”All and any ethno-Europeans who continue to snide about “the Nazis” and the “Wehrmacht, almost 70 years later, are stupid beyond measure and deserve severe censure,” is worthy of the highest compliment, but please take into consideration that the vast majority of Americans are completely:”BRAIN DEAD” and continue to support the American government’s narrative on WW2 with the continued emphasis that:Adolf Hitler (6.30:20) had a genocidal plan to conquer the world – that as early as 1919 Adolf Hitler had already developed his plans for the physical extermination of six million typhus bearing lice in the delousing chambers – that Italy & Japan also had a genocidal plan to conquer the world, hence the Anti-Comintern Pact that was signed November 25, 1936 – that Kaiser Wilhelm 11 had a genocidal plan to conquer the world, but in order to do so he first had to attack and invade Belgium and in order for Adolf Hitler to conquer the world he first had to attack and invade Poland. The Patrons of The Sinnergogue have not been able to explain how Adolf Hitler came to the conclusion that in order to conquer the world he first had to attack and invade Poland and in order for Kaiser Wilhelm 11 to conquer the world he first had to attack and invade Belgium.
      As I have said in the past:”The Kaiser might just as well have invaded Poland in 1914.” The German army was accused by the Communist Allies during WW1 of physically exterminating 750,000 jews in mobile gas vans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I am quite convinced that the “BRAIN DEAD” in America & Britain still believe this garbage. Once again, brilliant comments!!! Jomi

  276. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 8, 2012 - 6:45 am | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    It isn’t only the logical substance of your stance but when, where to whom in which condition, using whose vocabularly that you choose to say it.

    You are talking to representatives of a people in the process of being dispossessed. In fact a powerless, marginalized group of people. You are using the vocabularly devised by the enemy of that people who are behind its dispossession

    Around immigration the key strategy of that enemy was to blur the line between the natural sentiment of a people – that of wanting to be among its own, to nurture itself, to secure continuity and a better tomorror for its progeny – and concepts of evil, of Holocausts, of n*z*s and so on.

    Once that line was blurred it was possible to make any sense of identity for Europeans into something evil. Once that was achieved, once that conceptual framework had been accepted by us, then mass immigration – the real objective – became morally irresistible.

    That was their strategy. The imposition of a conceptual framework that literally robbed us of the ability to think about the peril they were putting us into.

    You reference that conceptual framework in how you share your ideas with us. How can you even want to do that, given where it comes from? Doesn’t it make you sick to even think about that framework and how it has been used to bring us within sight of our own extinction?

    It’s a lie that restoration of our societies would inherently require evils to be thought or evils to be done. It’s a fallacy to argue that we have to have the answers right here and now.

    You are pushing moral ultimatums onto us when we are being frogmarched into the mire. To achieve it you are using the conceptual framework of an enemy who would see a genocide of us.

    I will assume you do this out of ignorance. That you have not yet had the time to think things through. That you may never. You represent the Post War generation that bought all this. All of this is much more hardwired, burned, into your psyche. Perhaps you cannot see the evil that was done to us. To define any sense of self-love and identity of a people as evil.

    We are not ready to talk about means. We are only ready to talk about principles.

    The most central principle of all, is that mass immigration…the dispossession of us in our lands built by our ancester for us to use and keep as custodians to pass on to our descendents…the most important principle is that this did not occur as a legitimate agreement between peoples. We were not asked we were coerced. It is not a legitimate agreement so it does not have to be honoured.

    How and whether it can be reversed is way beyond the scope of where we are at the moment.

  277. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 8, 2012 - 5:37 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Indeed … Big T.

    Have you seen this? GHWB seen laughing at fate of JFK while reading the eulogy at Gerald Ford’s funeral service.

    You may experience some interference while attempting to watch this JewTube video. This is due to paranoid NSA interference, who, as we know, are all Ashkenazi-Jew-worshipping faggots. ﭢ

  278. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 5:18 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Respecting your firm conviction on Oswald as lone nut, did you know that Ben Gurion and JFK had a very bitter confrontation on Israel’s nuclear future, and that this stumbling block was cleared immediately by LBJ? This came as news to me.

  279. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 8, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: As a postscript to that, Bush senior put a call in to authorities from Dallas stating he had seen someone meeting the description of Oswald. And then professed not to recollect said call when quizzed years afterwards.

  280. December 8, 2012 - 2:37 am | Permalink
  281. December 8, 2012 - 2:36 am | Permalink

    The most enduring secession arrangement would be to have separate geographical territories corresponding to each of the various JFK assassination theories, so that adherents of each theory could reside in their own territory in blissful harmony with the other residents.

    If you liked my little joke, please sign the two petitions I’ve been badgering you about:

  282. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 8, 2012 - 1:49 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: An article recently published in the UK’s Telegraph newspaper extolled a book about to be published (yes, even now in 2012 they keep coming) that argues the Cubans killed JFK !!


    Your problem is that you are way too focused on some of the fine details. When people step back and examine the larger picture, they can soon see Lee Harvey Oswald appearing correctly, in the form he himself claimed he was: a Patsy.

    To see the larger picture (and I have consulted the work of at least 20 experts and independent researchers) I really do not need to read a book by Bugliosi.

    On that fateful day, I wasn’t there in Dealey Plaza. Neither were you. But George Herbert Walker Bush was certainly and unmistakably there. Oswald was also photographed in the vicinity, just as the JFK Limo was passing by. He is seen standing (on the ground floor) in the doorway of the schoolbook depository building. So, Oswald was not part of the 4 man sniper team already in place.

    When asked publicly about 4 decades later … Where were you on that day? … GHWB nearly choked on his own vomit while desperately searching for a convincing response. Meanwhile, Oswald was murdered at close range by someone he is known to have met only a week or so earlier.

    Either you have been duped by yet another clever yarn, or you are a disinformation agent. If you are writing here under the guise of a disinformation agent then you should be dealt with accordingly: roughly if need be. Accomplices to state-sponsored murders are guilty of murder.

  283. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 8, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    @Chechar: I wish Anglo-Saxon would read Bugliosi’s book, then he would agree I have done my homework, and probably agree that Oswald did it, but he is a stubborn guy.
    D.K. I’ve read at least 5 books on the subject, including Bugliosi’s book.
    i assure everyone, I have peered out the windows on the sixth floor, right beside the sniper’s perch (which is sealed off) and I could have made the shot, no problem. So could a million other people.
    If you are unwilling to read Bugliosi’s book, you don’t really want to know the truth. He has debated some of the heroes of the conspiracy theorists, and totally and completely kicked their sorry rear ends. He got a conviction in London for a documentary trial, convincing 12 jurors to convict Oswald.
    Other than PDC, I will not respond to those who won’t read the book anymore on this thread.

  284. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 8, 2012 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: If you had ever visited the 6th floor, you wouldn’t have put that picture up claiming that represents a shot from the sixth floor. The sniper’s perch is right at the corner where Houston Street meets Elm. That picture you show is essentially the same spot as the Zapruder film angle, west of the picket fence, when the motorcade was to the south and west of the TSBD.

  285. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 8, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: You are correct, it was an M1. In 1956, he qualified as a sharpshooter, in 1959, as a marksman.
    He missed Maj General Walker by a hair because the bullet deflected off the glass, into the wood. The recovered slug was matched to the assasination record. Maj General Walker was a John Birch society member who would have felt at home on this website, I believe.
    Pierre, I will of course answer any question of yours without limitation. If the others would please read Mr Bugliosi’s book they might be suprised at the true facts, especially about the not so magic bullet, which was in fact slightly deformed, and traveled in a straight line through Kennedy and Connelly’s body before deflecting off his wrist into his leg.

  286. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 7, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    How do you hope to bring this about?

  287. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 7, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Why do you advise me to “[c]hill” rather than Mickey, Alice? Whenever I am attacked personally– as Mickey now has done, in two different threads, in recent days– I am going to respond. If that unnerves or offends you, simply avert your eyes. Problem solved!

    I have no problem with secession, so long as it is done legally– i.e., by the sovereign states. If the entire Union dissolved in that manner, and the United States Constitution became a dead letter, as a result, I could live with that as a simple historical development. That still would not get the self-styled “White Nationalists” here (and elsewhere) what they actually want: to live in a nation totally devoid of non-Whites– and, often, also devoid of any Whites who do not hold the “right” beliefs, whether ideological or theological. There even are people here who actually have written that the coming White ethno-state will have the death penalty for any Whites who hold any “liberal” beliefs!

    I wish that I lived in a nation that was all-White, Alice. Come to that, I wish that I lived in a galaxy that was as White as its name implies. That is not the environment in which I live, however, and I am unwilling to support either the extermination, internment or deportation of scores of millions of my fellow Americans. If there were a decent White country left for me to apply to for immigration, I would be happy to do so. There no longer is, so I need to make my last stand here. The best that I can hope for, instead, is a quick end to mass immigration, followed by an eventual sea change in the intellectual ethos of the country, and a devolution of the burgeoning welfare state. When that is no longer a magnet for illegal immigrants, and when the underclasses finally have to make their own way economically, and thus stop their prolific and illegitimate reproducing, the national demographics will begin to reshape themselves, as Whites again see family formation as economically affordable and personally worthwhile, while former breeders do not. That, not a “White Nationalist” revolution, is the only plausible hope for American society, culture and civilization.

  288. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:The folly of expecting a monopoly exerciser of power to be constrained by words alone:

    What’s Bill up to now? Elder stateman? Philanthropist? Handbag for She?

  289. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 7, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    Chill D.K. My goodness, we all do get cranky around here from time to time.

    I am not certain white an American Nationalist is, so few of us share a common language anymore. We must not allow ourselves to be defined by the most extreme among us. There is, sadly, very little we all agree on.

    I refuse to allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. You are certainly right that there is currently no legal mechanism for secession, although I believe Texas has the right written into the agreement made when they became a state. It is a little silly to allow that to stop us when no one else does.

    No thinking person is hoping that WN will rise up and win a race war. There is reason to assume that many people of color would choose of their own accord to live in more liberal states.

    I, for one, am tired of living under oppression. I am tired of being told that it is an evil that generations of my family have worked and sacrificed to make life a little better and easier for their off-spring. I am tired of seeing land held for generations in a single family sold to pay taxes. I am tired of being told whom I must live with, respect, approve, and admire. I could go on for pages.

    Despite your disagreement, Mickey is a good guy and a Brit. I am as American as you can get and leaving is exactly what I want to do. One half of this country has irreconcilable differences with the other. It is time to part ways.

    I really do not know what honorable position exists for a Constitutionalists but to try and preserve what freedom we can, wherever we can. The other side sees the document as they see the Talmud – it means whatever we say it means. Just ask Justice Kagan.

  290. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 7, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    This [infra] is exactly what I wrote, in my lone comment here, prior to pointing out the author’s plagiarism-through-incompetence (which, for the third time already, for those of you illiterates who are a tad slow on the uptake, is NOT a “typo!”):


    If any sovereign state ever again tries to secede from the Union, it will not be because of some “White Nationalist” majority’s demanding it of that state. The vast majority of Whites– including the vast majority of those who would favor their own state’s secession– does not favor “White Nationalism” (meaning the elimination of all non-Whites from their own states), and would find the very prospect of using the force of law, let alone the force of arms, to bring about such a “racially pure” state to be anathema. The vast majority simply wants to stop any further degradation of their country through mass immigration and multiculturalism. The overwhelming majority of Whites does not want to be seen as– let alone to act like– neo-Nazis. If you think that there is some hidden majority, now, of “White Nationalists” among White Americans– even among just conservative ones– you are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

    The states are sovereign entities, with constitutions and governments of their own. They, respectively, would need to attempt to secede from the Union, lawfully. There is no legal basis for a national referendum on anything, let alone on secession. (There is a provision for a Constitutional convention; but, that would merely put forth amendments that the states still would need to ratify.) The Founding Fathers, thank goodness, loathed direct democracy. If you, in turn, loath American Constitutional government, there is a very readily available solution open to you: leave!


    I stand by everything that I wrote, then, in my first comment, here. If you find this fact “unhelpful,” too, Mickey, tough luck. The truth often hurts. Grow up!

    I believe that “White Nationalism” (in the United States) implies one of either two things: (a) the forced removal of all non-Whites from the United States, along with keeping all non-Whites out of it, in the future; or, (b) the forceful takeover of some subsection of the country, with all non-Whites forcefully removed therefrom, and then an armed defense of that subsection from the armed authorities of both the state(s) involved and the federal government. Either scenario is a demented pipe dream; and, the forced expulsion of well over one hundred million people (not counting the even larger number of White Americans that many of you self-styled “White Nationalists” seem to want to have removed, if not executed, for failing to share your enthusiasm!), some of whom have roots here that dwarf your own, is nothing if not Nazi-like. (I know that a lot of you folks love the Nazis, regardless, Mickey; so, why take any offense at the comparison?)

    I am not a “White Nationalist;” I am an American nationalist. I am not a neo-Nazi, neo-fascist, neo-Confederate, theocrat, monarchist, nor run-of-the-mill autocrat. I am a Constitutionalist. (If someone rolled the Constitution up and shoved it up your back end, Mickey, at least that might give you a chance finally to read the thing. Not that that would make much, if any, difference….)

    As for “1776,” I was replying to a very specific question from your oh-so-sensible friend, Alexander– who believes that there was no such thing as an American Revolutionary War, and that those of us who are not literally White Anglo-Saxon Protestants are in error in assuming that we are actually citizens of the United States! No complaints from you, of course, Mickey, about his possibly being “unhelpful,” let alone his lacking any sense….

    If you really hope to get me to leave here, Mickey, so that you do not have to be offended, any longer, by my daring to write things here with which you do not personally agree, all that you have to do is to get Dr. MacDonald to ask me (politely, I would hope, as is his nature, and as was apparently his nurture) to leave. How hard can that be, Mickey, if I am such an obvious enemy of the White race, and of the Occidental culture to which this site of his is dedicated?

    By the way, Mickey, perhaps you, enraged as you apparently were by my own opening comments to this post, missed what our fellow denizen Pierre wrote about the issue of the author’s mistake. You may wish to have Pierre put to the Inquisition, too….

  291. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:The above is directed at J-J Saintclair.

  292. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Whilst I don’t agree that the Concordat was anything more that a diplomatic agreement between two sovereign states, you have raised a great point on why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were singled out for the bomb. Cardinal Biffi is similarly nonplussed.

    • December 8, 2012 - 7:08 am | Permalink

      @Trenchant: Trenchant: I don’t expect you accept my suggestion that the Concordat between National Socialist Germany and the Vatican was a contract of recognition between Germany and the Vatican which had its origins in a statement made by Pope Pius X1 when he said to Kaiser Wilhelm 11:”We (the Vatican) must make Germany the Sword of the Vatican.” In a wider context, Pope Pius X1 was making a reference to the re-establishment of the Holy Roman Empire, and Pope Pius X1 made it clear to Kaiser Wilhelm 11 that the Vatican had every intention of doing just that, when he said:”We (the Vatican) must re-establish the Holy Roman Empire.” Kaiser Wilhelm 11 responded in astonishment to Pope Pius X1 and said that the Holy Roman Empire was a thing of the past.
      You will not understand the political significance of the Concordat or the significance of the Anti-Comintern Pact until you read the booK:”Behind The Dictators” by H. Lehman and watch the documentary on Youtube:”The Vatican & The Nazis, The Creation of The Vatican & The Jesuits.”
      There is a direct connection between the book and the documentary, and your comment:”You have raised a great point on why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were singled out for the bomb. Cardinal Biffi is similarly nonplussed,” is just one step in the right direction to understanding why Cardinal Biffi and many others are nonplussed about the reasons relating to the deliberate targeting of Nagasaki & Hiroshima as the only two Catholic cities in Japan – the connection to this event is Japan as a signatory to the Anti-Comintern Pact and the humiliating defeat of the British at Singapore and the Americans in the Philipines. Genocidal Vengeance is the Law of The Talmud.
      Watch the documentary on Youtube:”Die Wochenschau Nr.640 Dez 1942, 1-2 which explains how Britain & America planned the complete encirclement of Japan as early as 1840.
      It might also broaden your focus if you familiarise yourself with the book:”Icebreaker” by Viktor Suvorov, which deals extensively with Stalin’s plans for the invasion and conquest of Western Europe.
      I picked up on your other threads on the Morgenthau Plan and the post war genocide of german’s, military and civilian. As I said above:”Genocidal vengeance is the Law of The Talmud.
      Most if not all of the comments relating to the assassination of JFK are incorrect and the “patsy” Lee harvey Oswald had nothing to do with the assassination:he was what he said:”Just a patsy.”
      The JFK assassination debate on this page demonstrates just how ignorant Americans are nearly 50 years after the event.
      If you want to know who blew JFKs brains out just watch and study the Zapruder film and pay particular attention to the individual sitting to the left of JFK.
      Also pay particular attention to the blood staining on JFKs shirt, which is a clue to the above. I believe Vlad said in a previous thread that he had read at least five books on the Kennedy assassination, but Vlad expresses surprise at the bitter confrontation between ben Gurion and JFK on Israel’s nuclear future.
      The Kennedy assassination was orchestrated by Israel on the orders of Ben Gurion because Kennedy had refused to allow Israel nuclear weapons.
      JFK was was due to visit Damona in November 1963, but the jews made sure he did not keep the appointment. JFK was viewed by Ben Gurion as an:”enemy of Israel.” As above:”Vengeance is The Law of The Talmud.” Jomi

  293. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    The real Holocaust (mass deaths, intentionally occasioned) was far more prosaic than the one taught in school curricula, and occurred post-war. Don’t expect the Spielberg tear-jerker.

  294. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    …German civilians were subjected to treatment only marginally better than Eisenhower’s DEFs (POW’s were subject to the Geneva Convention, making inhumane treatment riskier).

  295. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 7, 2012 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    @ J.J. Saintclair:

    The Morgenthau Plan, or a de facto version thereof, was implemented by Eisenhower.

  296. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 7, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:
    Sometimes you scare me.

  297. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 7, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    No one accuses plagiarism for an obvious typo. An article that actually links to the original, to an audience small enough to have almost certainly already read it. Other than you, maybe an Asperger’s would do it. Or maybe that is you.

    It’s not necessarily long term hostility toward you, but popping back here and seeing your comments in several places being just incredibly unhelpful. On this thread before insulting the author with plagiarism (and incompetency) charges, you were throwing some of the fallacious guilt-trips out there devised by our enemies and which have done so much harm to our people and caused so much suffering (i.e. equating whites wanting to be with whites, form countries with whites as evil, n*zis, etc).
    Then with all that about if any of it matters now. Talking about the Constitution when it has been rolled up and shoved up our backends.

  298. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 7, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    If the conspiracy theory (911) is wrong, then wouldn’t a conspiracy have been required for the Arabs to pull off 911?

  299. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 7, 2012 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    P.S. Oh, and once again: A formatting error (which is what I have assumed) is not a “typo!”

  300. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 7, 2012 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Just as you ignored me, Mickey, when I invited you to list all of the supposed nonsense that I was posting here “of late”– and instead went off about how my grave will be defiled, etc., because my generation has destroyed the White race. (You still have not told me which great and blameless generation you belong to, Mickey.) Could it be that my being ignored by you both has less to do with condescension towards my supposed nonsense and more to do with your own lack of credible replies to specific charges? In the instant case, I was simply correct, and your taking pleasure in the author’s ineptitude merely demonstrates the personal animus that you now hold toward me for not sharing your views and values. Again, people reading this post who have not read Pat Buchanan’s original article cannot tell that the two paragraphs after the second indented quotation, in the above post, are also Pat Buchanan’s work. That is plagiarism, and copyright infringement; and, the fact that it was done through incompetence rather than through deceit does not change that fact.

  301. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 7, 2012 - 3:38 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    I was really pleased to note the author has totally ignored you and deliberately left the typo as it was. How insulting of you to call a typo plagiarism. Why don’t you email Pat Buchanan….somehow I think he’ll tell you where to get off. Pat will appreciate the efforts of this unpaid writer and not very much you at all.
    What has happened to you D.K.? You used to make a positive contribution (after the I.Q. bullshit ended).

  302. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 7, 2012 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Yes, the important thing is getting the consciousness in the right place. We all know what a %#$*&pile we’ve got in front of us. But once the right inner dynamic is in place, nothing in the world can stop it from manifesting.

  303. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 7, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    >>>Mayor Bloomberg, who has recently forbidden anyone but the government to feed the hungry.<<<

    If taken literally this means that the hungry are not allowed to feed themselves.

    Many have long advocated removal of the IRS- way more than "no one."
    The IRS came along the same year as the Federal Reserve. Both are jooish.

  304. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    December 7, 2012 - 3:09 pm | Permalink


    From their own perspective what is the point of a people conquering with their ‘ideas’ while themselves being overwhelmed and extinguished? Would it matter to the Jews? Or anyone?
    You use the bullshit-baffles-brains argumentations conceived and inflicted on us by our enemies who would see us destroyed. You glibly use arguments that have inflicted terrible suffering on our people.
    Then you have the gaul to warn us about our enemies.

  305. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 7, 2012 - 2:25 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    In case you missed the link contained on that page that I linked to earlier, Pierre:

  306. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 7, 2012 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:
    Thank you, Sir. There is a curious reluctance to advocate any step which will not solve all problems with a single blow. As any sailor or housewife will tell you, sometimes one must simply scrape off the accretions and begin again. Every American knows that our tax system is a monstrosity yet no one is advocating the obvious answer – scrap it and begin from scratch. A return to freedom, limited government, and real respect for the Constitution strikes me as a wonderful place to begin. Anyone who doesn’t like the plan is free to move to NY and live under the nanny state of Mayor Bloomberg, who has recently forbidden anyone but the government to feed the hungry.

  307. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 7, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Thank you for your very friendly reply. This time is past now.
    Fights between USA, England, Germany and Russia are brother-fights. Hopefully we will work together in the future.

  308. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 7, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Thank you. This is telling evidence. Though my own score was somewhat higher—i.e., still well within the “marksman” rating but closer to “sharpshooter”—I am damn sure that had I been the guy in the TSBD, I would have done a lot of harm to innocent bystanders, certainly with the later shots.

    I can’t speak for the present-day military, but when I was in the army, the weeks devoted to rifle training were memorable in a good sense. Not only was the training itself extremely sound; the personnel involved took it so seriously that they shelved the near-constant harassment and petty torments that characterized the rest of the training regimen, one of whose primary purposes, of course, was to strip an individual with a functioning moral sense of that faculty, as well as of any interests and loyalties that did not serve the command’s ends (since sex did, they encouraged it).

    Overall, of course, I am in total agreement with Vlad Writes and others about the U.S. armed forces. They are our enemy. What is more, they are as vile a corrupter of youth as the entertainment industry and similar weapons of Judaic subversion.

  309. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 7, 2012 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    With respect for all of you who see problems with the small print of secession, Simply talking about it is very important. It sends a message to the powers that be and to all Americans that we do not have to put up with this nonsense. A loud, clear message that we do not consent gives the lie to their claims to legitimacy. The more the idiots like Chris Matthews call us nasty names, the more white people will wake up. Ideas do have consequences. I defy anyone who believes in no-fault divorce to explain how they can deny us the right to go our separate way. It is time to highlight the absurdities we are all forced to live under.

    You’re absolutely right, Alice. I’m really sick of all the nay-sayers on this one. The fact that it is even bubbling up in the collective consciousness of the US is a fantastic sign of a ball starting to roll because the arguments are all already in place and we are in the right and have the Truth on our side. I think that in time we will see a snowball become an avalanche.

  310. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 7, 2012 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    There is a real distinction between morale and self-esteem. Morale is the spirit which allows us to face opposition with a cheerful disregard for their opinion. One of the great failings of feminism is that it freezes women into the child/father relationship, in which the father is seen as indestructible and all powerful. A truly egalitarian relationship of husband and wife, recognizes that men are very dependent upon women to give meaning to male activities beyond those found among any group of boys having fun.

    I am sorry to admit that Jason is right. Women have abandoned all real responsibility to both men and children. The resulting degradation is all around us. In my first corporate job, I saw a manager rip into a man. My first thought was ‘this is why men do not want us in the workforce’ . To endure this in order to provide for your family is bad enough, to have it witnessed by women is devastating. Every woman instinctively knows this, which is why the first demand of the feminists was protection from a hostile work environment – for women.

  311. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 7, 2012 - 6:26 am | Permalink

    @Karlfried: My brother Karlfried … firstly I am an Englishman who is deeply and truly ashamed of what my bastard country did to Germany from 1940 to 1948.

    US General George S. Patton recognized the crimes that had been done by the Allies against the German people and nation (and thereby, against all authentic Europeans), and it is his diary entries we must all keep in our memories and close to our hearts.

    But, the main point I wish to make here is that you should take heart about the real possibility of aiming for far higher percentages than the 1% you have quoted.

    Please study the Pareto Principle (otherwise known as the “80:20 Rule”).

  312. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 7, 2012 - 6:10 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    And JFK’s brains splatted over the rear offside boot of the limousine, and on the uniform of the Police Office outrider, proves that the final shot was NOT fired from the sixth floor of the TSBD … unless we know of a bullet that can do a sub-sonic U-turn on its way to the target!

    Anyone who still believes that Oswald killed JFK (or that he even aimed a rifle at him) either has a screw loose, is a child, or is truly ill-equipped to process contra-facts and evidence and should get back to watching Superbowl.

    Something like 7 shots all told were fired at JFK that fateful day. In total he was hit either three (3) times or four (4). The final shot was taken from the front, and at close range.

    The (‘magic’) bullet that hit Governor Connelly was the one that exited out of JFK’s throat.

    I expect better from those visiting this website. Low IQ is never attractive.

    You have obviously failed to do your homework on this issue “Vlad Writes”. Or alternatively, you are partaking in some tedious promotion of bogus nonsense to confuse the vulnerable.

    If you are genuine then I might have some sympathy for you; in which case, don’t be so judgemental and so certain about your shallow Oswald theories, as it is making you look foolish and naive.

    The man evil scumbag who masterminded the operation (on the ground) was almost certainly George Herbert Walker Bush:

    CIA Director for only 1 year: January 30, 1976 – January 20, 1977 … so he could ensure any and all incriminating documentation was shredded, and a few inconvenient witnesses killed off.

    43rd Vice President of the UNITED STATES: January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989.

    41st President of the UNITED STATES: January 20, 1989 – January 20, 1993 … so he could head the Administration charged with officially ushering in the “New World Order” on behalf of the Committee of 300.

  313. Jason's Gravatar Jason
    December 7, 2012 - 4:46 am | Permalink

    The focus is usually on JFK, but this is a deliberate false flag meant to divert attention. Everyone knows that President William McKinley was the real deal, shot because he was considered a threat by the Big Money Men, the Illuminanti and the Red Razor Society. He was about to expose the role of the Big Bankers to the world, dontchaknow.

    But here is a twist. McKinney never existed. He was a cartoon projection, created with advanced alien technology. How deep does the rabbit hole go? If you doubt me, I bet your a Sunstein operative.

    Here are supporting documents from

  314. Jason's Gravatar Jason
    December 7, 2012 - 4:31 am | Permalink


    I thought by now everyone accepted that Kennedy was murdered to prevent the dollar being run by Jews, and to get LBJ into the White House to ruin the USA.

    No one on earth thinks that. No one thinks JFK was a champion for White people, freedom or America. He had zero plans to harm the Fed or Israel. That is all bogus.

    I understand some think it is good propaganda value (apparently), but I think associating with urban legends so easily proven false harms this cause.

  315. December 7, 2012 - 2:15 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Thanks, Vlad. Maybe you’ll agree with my view:

    The site is just a public relations ploy whose purpose has nothing to do with “petitions” and “signatures.”

    The site is Obama’s attempt to get a certain kind of publicity for himself, and we’re using it to get publicity for ourselves.

    “Petitions” with “signatures” is just the particular gimmick the White House hit upon to use for their publicity stunt, and so we have to use it too.

    Except for possibly some embarrassment, the White House could care less about anything on that site!

    So please sign it, everyone, and please get ready to sign its successor that will be coming up soon. We have to keep our message up on the Big Obama Billboard!

    Also this one about South Africa:

  316. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 7, 2012 - 2:05 am | Permalink

    Thank you for your interest.
    I think that your question whether Germany is a free country is a rethorical question. We know that we have lost the war and that we are an occupied country. — Our national gold reserves are not in Germany but in France, Great Britain and the largest part is in the USA.
    The gold is called “gold and the right to get the gold back physically”. In case of need, we will not see even a gramm of our (formerly) own gold. (Remark: That is the gold of the post war time, the gold before 1945 is gone anyhow). — Our international political situation is weak. See “Feindstaatenklausel” of the United Nations, valid up today.
    the paragraphs 53, 107 and 77.
    Our chancellors, all after 1945, have these things in mind. They must walk very slowly.
    Another example: Germany builds small silent effective modern submarine boats (U-Boote). They are expensive and the German marine has six of them. But Germany is in such a situation, that we “wanted” (and did so) to give another six submarineboats some as a present, some with largely reduced price to a little state at the shore of the mediterrean sea.

    We accept all these things because we know that we are a defeated nation. Nonetheless this situation gives advantages also. Our army is extremely small, therefore cheap. The military-industrial complex in my country is small and therefore it does not take resources away. We put this saved money in science and good living. The USA has paid 50 years long the cost of military protection for the half world and has overstretched this way. — There are a hundred ways how some negative things turn out to be positive if you try hard and without giving up. That is what we have learned from the outcome of the war.—

    To your question about Frau Merkel: No matter who is chancellor in Germany, he or she has to calculate the real political situation: How mighty is the USA, who rules politics in the USA. The inland-politics in Germany are like in a puppet-house: Most people want to have a nice country without trouble and this way they behave.

    This is the general political situation in Germany. But there is a single point that I have not mentioned yet: Several ten million turks, arabs, negroes, gypsies want to come to Germany and to live here together with their offspring. Today roundabout 10% of the population in Germany are non-Europeans/non-whites and their number is growing fastly. This process can kill the white race (=us) within a few decades. This is the cause that I read the Occidental Observer and Bob Withaker.

    • December 7, 2012 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

      @Karlfried: Karlfried: You post interesting comments about modern Germany, but your comments about Germany losing the war (WW2) are misplaced and the product of a mindset that is stereotypical of the Bolshevik Communist propaganda policy of “De-Nazification” or the “De-Germanisation” of Germany for the purpose of instilling a “guilt complex” in the German population in exactly the same way that the Communist Allies induced a “guilt complex” onto the people of Germany from 1918.
      You may or may not be familiar with the title of a book called:”Germany Must Perish” by the genocidal sociopath Theodore Kaufman.
      This book was essentially a blueprint for the physical extermination of the German race, and this is what Germany was fighting against during WW2.
      I read Anglo Saxon’s comments:”Firstly, I am an Englishman who is deeply and truly ashamed of what my bastard country did to Germany from 1940 to 1948.” It is comforting to know that there are some people in Britain who acknowledge the policy of genocide carried out by the Churchill regime for and on behalf of International Finance.
      Churchill never showed an iota of remorse or contrition for his crimes, he positively wallowed in the genocide of the German people, and therein lies the difference between Germany and Britain, between a country that made the greatest sacrifice in two world wars both for the defence of Germany and Europa, and a country that has never tried to hide its hostility towards Europe.
      History bears witness to the fact that Germany was never defeated in both world wars, in both cases the communist allies, Britain, France & America occupied Germany after WW1 only after tricking Germany into signing the infamous Versailles Treaty; and Britain, America & Soviet Russia occupied Germany from 1945, with America being the principle occupying power in Germany to this day, not for the protection of Germany, but to maintain Germany in a state of military subjection.
      I knew a German by the name of Wilf who fought on the Eastern Front and he survived the war by being captured by the Russians, but he steadfastly refused to discuss any of his experiences on the Eastern Front, and he categorically refused to even recognise Germany because he had been completely brainwashed by the Soviet Communist Allies De-Nazification Programme. Karlfried: The German Soldiers of WW1 & WW2 were soldiers in the greatest German Army’s that ever marched in defence of Germany and Europa, and for me personally, I Salute the fighting prowess and discipline of the Waffen SS, from which I regard Waffen SS General: Leon Degrelle as one of the finest Waffen SS generals of WW2.
      There is much more I could say, but I choose to limit my thoughts to the above and leave the politics of race to the experts.
      Having said that, we should take into consideration the fact that we are spiritual beings with a limited earthly existence – everything within the universe is just a finite expression of the Infinite – so don’t be too obsessed with the fate of different races because extinctions are a function of the Order of Nature – and even the Order of International Finance and The NWO. It is wonderful to see and share the views of a German because it is a rarity that any german’s express their opinions the way you have.

  317. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 7, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Ok, this will be my last in this thread tonite.

    ‘Yet, black women instinctively want to boost the morale of their men. I will have to give them credit for that’.

    Self esteem is bogus, it is what one feels ones worth.
    A ‘self opinion’.

  318. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 7, 2012 - 12:15 am | Permalink

    excellent article

  319. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 7, 2012 - 12:00 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Tell us more!
    Are you aware there are millions [yes] Haitians and salvadoreans in USA?

  320. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 6, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @Thank you:
    CPI is a joke!

  321. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 11:14 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: The dialysed diabolic dug-out dweller from Tora Bora, naturally.

  322. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: that’s“that”
    Mind-control waves got through the tinfoil.

  323. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:Yes, it’s of enormous comfort that all kooky ideas were seen off nicely by the The 9/11 Commission Report, though I believe that’s Kissenger’s inclusion would have added extra gravitas.

  324. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink


    So, 9/11 was not a conspiracy?!? Who was the “lone nut” who pulled that one off, Chechar?

  325. December 6, 2012 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Absolutely. Bugliosi debunks the urban myth about JFK like no other. (I can only hope that in the future we will see an equally overwhelming tour de force debunking all of the 9/11 conspiratorial nonsense…)

  326. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    P.S. Remember, too, Pierre, that the Warren Commission– and all of its supporters, of whom I am aware– claim that Lee Oswald, using that same mail-order surplus rifle, attempted to assassinate General Edwin Walker, on April 10, 1963. Walker was a stationary target, seated at his desk, in a lighted room, when someone took a single shot at him from outside of Walker’s Dallas home, at night– and missed his target altogether!

  327. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    Sorry that that link, which I copied and pasted, does not work, as is. If you go to the guy’s Web site (, you’ll see that page, with the records for Oswald, inter alia, listed third, down the left-hand side of the page.

  328. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Tibor Rosenbaum’s (BCI) links to Permindex and his laundering for Lansky interests is another point worth chewing over.

  329. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink
  330. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @ J-J Saintclair:
    Sorry, whilst it is possible to know that bad policy reaps bad results, the way the disaster exactly plays out is not able to be known in advance, as this depends on how the various parties act. So far, the Bank of Japan has pursued a conservative monetary policy, compared to the US and Europe. Successive governments have wasted a gargantuan amount of money on stimulus packages, but this has been paid through debt issuance (avoiding some of the wasteful allocation of resources that inflation generates). With every other central bank on a money-printing spree, Japan risks a very strong yen, and will probably have to abandon its comparatively conservative monetary policy.

  331. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 6, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    That is what I am doing to the greatest extent possible. I detest television, sports and all that mental garbage. I have much better and more beneficial ways to spend my spare time believe me. I feel sometimes like I am living in an episode of the Twilight Zone, knowing I am not the only one who senses something rotten going on behind the scenes helps me deal with the turbulent times we are living in. I am apalled at the state of my fellow white Americans, do any of them even know of the danger they are in?

  332. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 6, 2012 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    You can find out for yourself how the Bolshevik movement was of, by and for Jews. You can also find out about real Holocausts such as the Holodomor against my Ukrainian ancestors, how this and other atrocities were directed from New York. Indeed, you will see how the Bolshevik movement was funded and directed from New York. Then study the Talmud and what it teaches about non-Jews, the utter hatred, racism and double standards it propagagates. Then judge for yourself why Russia eyes the U.S. and Israel as it’s number one enemy, and why Russians and Ukrainians are harboring an intensifying and in some respects, justified hated towards us. Two sources I can cite for you, both by Alexander Solzhenitzen, “Gulag Archipelago” and “200 Years Together,” will shed light on why Israel and the Jews are as hated at they are across Eastern Europe.

  333. December 6, 2012 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    I thought by now everyone accepted that Kennedy was murdered to prevent the dollar being run by Jews, and to get LBJ into the White House to ruin the USA.

  334. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 8:29 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: MPC’s work is excellent on the politics of the Warren Commission.

  335. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 8:23 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Although being defamed by the ADL is no guaranty of veracity per se, it does flag MPC’s work as something worthy of equanimous consideration.

  336. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    Over the past quarter century, I have read scores of books on the assassination, as well as studied other resources, such as documentaries and on-line sites, but I have no desire to turn this thread into a relitigation, as it were, of the crime. I will say that none of the Warren Commission’s own experts was able to get off three shots in the requisite amounts of time, both from start to finish and in between specific shots– and the three-shots scenario itself depends upon the late Arlen Spector’s ludicrous Single Bullet Theory, with its so-called “magic bullet,” since at least one shot missed its mark altogether.

  337. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    I read Final Judgment some years ago, and I recall MPC did make critical mention of Bugliosi, but a cursory glance hasn’t helped me find the exact page number. In the interim:

    Again, from memory, MPC doesn’t actually say who pulled the trigger (he suspects the OAS – think Day of the Jackal – who had an axe to grind with JFK over Algerian independence), but inks in part of the tableau missing from other versions, and fingers Israel as the commissioning agent. Ben Gurion and JFK’s dispute over Israeli nuclear capability, the junior status of the Giancana clan with respect to the Lansky crime syndicate, and the Warren Commission get thorough coverage, as does the assassination of Robert, and many others intimately connected to this episode.

  338. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 8:00 pm | Permalink


    To me, Bobby, the use of the word “patsy” by Oswald is what is the most telling. He did not merely proclaim his innocence; he used a term that specifically means that he believed that he had been set up by others, who were guilty, to take the blame. If he had called himself “a scapegoat” instead, that would have been a very different matter, as that would have implied that the authorities themselves had set him up to take the blame, merely to appear to have quickly solved the case. His choice of words is certainly not dispositive of the issue of his guilt, but it has always struck me as very telling, nonetheless.

  339. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 6, 2012 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I have nothing invested in the outcome of this debate, so perhaps you could answer a question of fact for me, a question not meant to impugn your opinion, which I have not doubt is far better informed than mine. (I freely admit to being a reactive doubter about the Warren Commission verdict and everything else surrounding the received view of the assassination, however.)

    I am curious about Oswald’s marksmanship rating, which I have heard mentioned for fifty years. At that time the military was rating proficiency with the rifle with three grades (lowest to highest): marksman, sharpshooter, expert. If Oswald was rated only marksman, he demonstrated mere adequacy. If he was rated expert, however, he would have been something special. Also, do you know what weapon he received his rating on? My strong inclination is to think it was probably a late-model M1 rifle (clip-fed) or, just possibly, an early model of the M14 (magazine-fed). Either rifle would have had a continuous feed, so that when shooting at a still or moving target, the rifleman never has to move the weapon from his shoulder and readjust his sights. As you know, the time-consuming factor, relatively speaking, for a marksman using a bolt-action weapon is the replacement and resighting process.

  340. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 6, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Vlad, I was in the fifth grade when President Kennedy was assassinated. I clearly remember watching TV, and Oswald saying, ” I’m just a patsy”. This has haunted me ever since. Most psychologists agree that people who commit huge crimes like serial killers and assassins, want noteriety and fame. Yet, Oswald denied in front of millions that he was personally responsible. This doesn’t neccessarily mean he’s saying he didn’t do it. It could have meant he simply wasn’t alone in being responsible for it.

  341. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 6, 2012 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

    @Karlfried: Karlfried, what is your opinion on Germany since WW11? Do you believe it to be a free country? Or are people like Angela Merkel and others merely puppets? I realize it’s a question that’s far too simple and it’s the simple fundamental things that are actually hard to get a hold on, but I was just wondering about your general impression.

  342. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    December 6, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Most people have no interest in any important general issue. Most people go along that way that is the most easy one at that very day, not thinking about the consequences for the future. That is is the nature of men, that is normal. 99% want to go with the masses and therefore they are glad, if 1% show them how to go. There is no chance, that we can convince the 99% that they must take some own activity for the survival of the white race. Therefore we should not be disappointed about this, but we should take advantage of this. If we look at it from the other side: 1% of the people with a clear will is enough to save the nation. If you see it this way, it is good news. — I am a 56year old German. The situation in Germany is similar to the USA.

  343. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    This is from a different point in the presidential motorcade, but it was taken from a slightly elevated perspective, and it clearly shows how unobstructed a shot at President Kennedy would have been available to a would-be assassin, lying in wait, in the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, as the presidential limousine rounded the corner, off of Houston Street and around onto Elm Street:

  344. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 6, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    1. Read Bugliosi’s book
    2. The limo was moving directly away from the gunman, essentially as easy as a stationary target. The face shot was at an angle, making a harder shot. Go there yourself, you will see it was doable.
    3. One FBI expert hit all three shots in the simulation!
    4. Oswald was a certified Marine marksman.
    5. The mannlicher-carcano is used by the italian oylmpic target shooting team
    6. Try hiding behind the grassy knoll picket fence- you cannot.
    7. Photos exist of the trees and their placement, shot is actually made in the opening between the trees.
    8. Blood splatter in the limo confirms shot not made from Grassy Knoll, at right angle to Kennedy.

  345. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 6, 2012 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    There was a tree whose branches largely blocked the target, back in 1963, Vlad, which I believe has been altered since. I also do not believe that you or “many a true southerner who occasionally hunts could easily make that shot with his trusty rifle, even a bolt action mannlicher-carcano”– since none of the experts utilized by the Warren Commission were able to fire that very rifle, that often, that accurately, that quickly! Regardless, if Lee Oswald really had been a “lone nut,” lying in wait, all alone, on the sixth floor of the TSBD, that Friday, during the lunch hour, why did he wait until the presidential limousine was already heading down Elm Street, and accelerating again, before opening fire, from behind? As the limousine turned the corner from Houston onto Elm, it was nearly at its closest point to “the assassin’s nest,” and the car slowed to a virtual crawl, while making that unusually wide-angled turn, with President Kennedy facing directly toward the TSBD, his head and chest both presenting easy targets for any would-be assassin located in that sixth-floor window. It is inconceivable to me that an assassin, lying in wait, would have passed up that optimal opportunity, only to open fire after the limousine already had passed the other end of the TSBD. That wait only would have made sense if there had been more than one assassin in place, that afternoon, with at least one of those shooters located behind the picket fence, atop the infamous grassy knoll.

  346. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 6, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I’m willing to read this JFK book you mentioned, and Piper’s book, if you and THM will read Bugliosi’s book, “Reclaiming History”.
    I’m probably one of the few people in America who hates the US government but agrees with the Warren Commission conclusions that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
    BTW, I have been to every historical assasination site in Dallas, I have peered from the window beside the 6th floor perch, and I guarantee you that I and many a true southerner who occasionally hunts could easily make that shot with his trusty rifle, even a bolt action mannlicher-carcano.
    I wouldn’t have had the balls to do it, though.

  347. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 6, 2012 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: I signed the petitions – we will see if the black helicopters come and get me!

  348. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 6, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    With respect for all of you who see problems with the small print of secession, Simply talking about it is very important. It sends a message to the powers that be and to all Americans that we do not have to put up with this nonsense. A loud, clear message that we do not consent gives the lie to their claims to legitimacy. The more the idiots like Chris Matthews call us nasty names, the more white people will wake up. Ideas do have consequences. I defy anyone who believes in no-fault divorce to explain how they can deny us the right to go our separate way. It is time to highlight the absurdities we are all forced to live under.

  349. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 6:21 am | Permalink

    Hood is way too optimistic on both the American and the Asian economies! Japan’s public debt burden is astronomical, even at near zero interest rates, and the temptation will be to use inflation to erode creditors’ holdings in real terms. China is likewise a Keynesian disaster unfolding, roads to nowhere, empty malls and dormitory suburbs, polluted rivers and air, and many, many unemployed, single men. (1949?)

    Markets collapse much faster that they rise, and I think this could be the real surprise for Obama II, unless war with Iran steals the show.

    • December 6, 2012 - 10:46 am | Permalink

      @Trenchant: Your response to Bobby is an almost carbon copy response I gave to a man who was shopping at a local ASDA store in Brighton, Sussex England, who said he functions in an advisory capacity to the Bank of England, which I said was a private for profit bank that has nothing to do with the British Government except to function as the creditor to the British Government which credits the British Government to the tune of billions of £s via the IMF and the World Bank, which has to be repaid Principle + Interest via the British tax system.
      The Bank of England is equal to the Federal Reserve in America, which some economists suggest is owned by the Bank of England?
      My comments to this man were centered around the economic crisis in the EU(SSR), but I also made comments relating to China similar to your comments.
      Is China really a Keynesian disaster unfolding? Or a Milton Friedman disaster unfolding? Is the Keynesian model in economics still used? Or is International Finance a miss mash of differing/conflicting economic theories/ interests? When I said to the man in ASDA that the global and domestic debt of America was in excess of 200 Trillion Dollars, you could almost hear a pin drop.
      Would a war with Iran be big enough to really steal the show?
      All the time Obama and the Joint Chief’s of Staff are terrified of losing one or more aircraft carriers, and a possible war with Iran expanding across the wider Middle East, will Obama commit America to a war against Iran? If so, Obama is confident that America can smash Iran in 3 weeks.
      Echo’s of the 2006 Israeli/Hezbollah conflict when the jews said they would wipe Hezbollah of the face of the earth in three hours. The rest is, as you probably know, is history.
      Can you give me your dooms day prediction/forecast for a possible global economic collapse?
      Finally, dreams and aspirations are fine, but in The United Soviet of America?

  350. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 6, 2012 - 5:15 am | Permalink


    They want to utterly rid the world of Whites areas. They have to. They can’t afford to leave any preserve of Whites anywhere, especially any all-White enclaves. It becomes too obvious how much better we live, and it becomes a magnet for other Whites.

    Will they start shooting us in big numbers someday? I don’t know, but the Stalinesque demonization of Whites you spoke of doesn’t bode well. First you dehumanize, then you kill.

    One thing Whites may have been guilty of was a certain reluctance to believe that they could be hated, despite all the evidence for it. I think Whites couldn’t fathom the raw envy/hatred that motivate many non-Whites. And I don’t know exactly what motivates White Anti-Whites, but these traitors who puff themselves up at our expense deserve no protection in my opinion.

  351. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 6, 2012 - 4:59 am | Permalink


    The “demographic change” is happening so much faster then people think. It’s like bacteria in a Petri dish. It seems like nothing is happening, until suddenly the whole thing is covered in bacteria. The same thing can happen in reverse. The number of Whites slowly declines for an extended period of time, then suddenly collapses, almost overnight.

  352. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 6, 2012 - 4:50 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    … rising to the defense of our men. Black women certainly do so with far less justification.

    Yes, I have noticed that black women are very quick to defend their men, even when one might say, objectively, the men don’t quite measure up to proper standards of behavior. Yet, black women instinctively want to boost the morale of their men. I will have to give them credit for that.

    I think we live in an Age of Ingratitude (which is encouraged by the media and education). Nature is not kind to the ungrateful. We’ve all been encouraged to not only be silent when public praise is appropriate, we’ve all been encouraged to pointedly disrespect the best among us.

    Good White women have not gotten proper respect for at least two generations. And I know most White men feel utterly abandoned by their women – thus the hostility right under the surface of even the best of men.

  353. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 3:37 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: Whilst I quite enjoy the crime genre, Hollywood’s glorification of the SWAT squad seems to be designed to normalize their presence in the public mind. (Watching the drones and their drones in The Bourne Legacy is like a peek into a not-too-distant future.)

    How long before the Pain Ray (Active Denial System) is incorporated into some gag in The Simpsons? New crowd dispersal techniques might come in handy for future gatherings of the everyman. Ouch!

  354. December 6, 2012 - 3:31 am | Permalink


    Interesting! If you care to say more about that anti-Polish narrative…does it tie in with other interests of the elites, or is it just their only permitted outlet for normal impulses?

  355. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    December 6, 2012 - 3:14 am | Permalink

    The West isn’t dissolving, it’s expanding.

    There is not a single person living anywhere on the globe that isn’t familiar with the Western concepts of liberty along with the US style of limited government and guarantee of individual rights. Everywhere on the globe, people seek to emulate the West. Physically, the borders of the Western nations are dissolving and our people are being overwhelmed, but spiritually we are conquering the globe.

    No, we’re not retreating. We’re building a Universal Republic.

    All of this talk of secession is nonsense. First of all, it won’t help build a white consciousness at all. Interaction with non-whites builds a strong white consciousness and not the other way around. Remember, all of the multi-cultural lies of racial egalitarianism were the most effective when Western nations were the most homogeneous. The strongest white identities were always to found amongst people that lived among other races (like Southern whites.) Secession won’t build a white identity. In fact, it will only dilute it even more.

    Secondly, any secessionist government would be impossible to moderate. Extremists would eventually take control and use homogeneous territories as bases for military confrontation and expansion into non-white territories. There wouldn’t be less confrontation with non-whites, but MORE of it.

    Finally, the worst aspect of secession talk is the possibility that Spanish and Muslim sections of the US will break away and given statehood by the United Nations. Then, foreign troops could be brought in to guarantee the status of the new states. Secession is most dangerous precisely because of how it could be used by our enemies. So stop talking about it! It will totally fail.

  356. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 6, 2012 - 2:52 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: That’s what I call preaching to a catholic public.

  357. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 6, 2012 - 12:49 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Who indeed?

    Thirty years ago a sentence in the weekly bulletin from my (then) local parish (it was this time of the year, in fact) was so hilarious that I have never been in danger of forgetting it. The sentence read as follows: “There will be a special collection next Sunday for the poor and indignant of the parish.”

  358. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 6, 2012 - 12:49 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: P.S. I’m sorry folks, I meant one million immigrants a YEAR. But the thought just occured to me, that, it probably wouldn’t make an atoms difference to most Americans, if it was one million a month, so apathetic and uninvolved are millions of Americans that are crying to their Congressmen/women, about JOBS./STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

  359. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 6, 2012 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    By the way, not that most Americans seem to give a rats a–, but I just read a report that confirms that Congress is still importing into the U.S. One Million Immigrants a MONTH!! Yes, that’s One Million Immigrants, every THIRTY DAYS……. Mind you, this in just the number of people that enter, LEGALLY. Now illegally is another story. Question to the die hard Republicans: what good exactly, does it acheive to talk about jobs, taxes, the economy, or even the environment, when this fact is ignored by those die hard Republican empty headed BOOBS?

  360. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 5, 2012 - 11:45 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Domestic police state ratcheting up? Absolutely. No doubt in my mind about it. We are already deeply into a fascist police type state, when one constantly hears about all the whistle blowers and the stuff they are asserting. It’s later than Americans think it is because their rights are eroding away fast.

  361. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    December 5, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Engineered famines, mass round ups and killings, gulags, death camps swallowed un 100 million Christian Slavs, and if Americans do not get back control

    Cite source.

  362. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 5, 2012 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    @Taras: Taras, the first step in creating a nation of our own, would be when European-Americans stop eating junk,(GMO’s, fast food, etc.), stop mentally absorbing junk,(Hollywood culture–movies, television, gossip rags,”legitimate” main stream newspapers,etc. and stop being such b-ttl–king, sycophants and obseqious servants to the current system that they are supposed to be “winners” at. It hasn’t sunk in yet for most whites. Being a “winner” as defined by the system set up for them, is being a big time loser. Read Gregory Hoods latest article, “Can you Drop Out” on Counter Currents. I don’t agree with all of it, but I agree with most of it, because most of it is already happening,etc.

  363. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 5, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink


    Thanks for your recommendation and the link!

  364. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Who could blame indigents for being unhappy? ☺

  365. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    @Taras: Perhaps a ratcheting-up of the domestic police-state will occur after is Iran is bombed. Dissenters labelled as terrorists, seditionists and suchlike.

  366. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    @Thank you: Thank you. I often use abridging tools, hoping to avoid moderation limbo. And my anti-IP stance is essentially anarchist. I don’t believe thoughts per se are property.

  367. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 5, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    That is because whites do not trust each other, let alone non-whites. It is because of the dog eat dog enviroment that has been deliberately fostered by the hostile aliens running the country, White Americans are also beaten down relentlessly mentally and emotionally, and if they speak up for their own interests they are demonized for being racists. Therefore they will not speak up for others, even IF they do resent how whites are being pushed aside. Yes, many whites are very fearful about their economic futures, many are working longer hours than ever before, and that means at the end of the day they are too tired to get to know their neighbors. I mean, I have worked 12-hour days to pay the bills and after dealing with my stepchildren I have no energy left for anything else. Also, many whites Americans detest Slavs like us. I have encountered this time and time again. White Americans are incredibly clannish and hostile to anyone they perceive as different or outsiders. We are too clannish, individualistic and ignorant as a group to secede, let alone form a new nation. It’s getting to be like the Soviet Union all over again, only this time it’s the USA will swiftly turning into the United Socialist States of Amerika. Maybe after enough of us die horribly at the hands of these hostile racial and religious aliens bent on exterminating all people of European descent, white Americans will wake up and return the favor with interest. Right now, I doubt anything will change, except for whites becomming slaves without complaint, let alone armed resistance.

  368. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 5, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Taras. The anti White propaganda of the Jews in the last 60 years is nothing more than the jewish propaganda against the kulaks and the bourgeosie. Although unfortunately American White women, unlike the Russians, have joined the genocideal jews Most White women, not me and Alice

  369. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 5, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Sir Tristam

    I have enough problems living in a city with less than 10 percent blacks. What will the southerners do with those huge black populations. Isn’t Mississippi at least 50 percent? Look at Atlanta, Memphis, and DC. When I visited Dallas, just about every police officer and other goverment employee was some affirmative action black thug.

    I know there was a time when the greatest anti rape organization in history kept the savages under control, but between the feds and Morris Dees, that organization went under and the savages are free to rape and pillage.

    Ever come back to the US from Frankfort, Malpensa or any other European airport.? Just look at the people who run American airports. Enormous 300 pound black savages who speak in ghetto grunt, gabble and garble and 4ft10 women from the more primitive islands of the Phillipines.

    Europe has those extremely good looking boys doing their national service and beautiful women. America has gathered the ugliest people in the world to run its airports.

    And I won’t even go into the the primitives that inhabit DC. DC has stuck to L’Enfant’s original plan. In addition, the main buildings were designed in the greek revival period, one of the greatest periods in building design. Those 1960’s stalinest brutalist box buildings are being torn down and reasonably attractive buildings are being put up.

    The basic home archetiture is is 19th century town houses and pretty homes on large, tree and flower filled lots. And who inhabits DC and works in the federal offices?

    Savages who have given DC the highest violent crime rate of any capitol in the world except for maybe Jakarta. That is what primitive africans have done to DC.

    What makes it worse is that DC was conceived as a capitol city. Most capitols grow naturally and have all the big city problems of crime etc before they become the capitol. DC is one of the most beautiful cities in the world but the savage africans have ruined it. Even during WW2 marines at the anacostia barracks were forbidden from going off the base alone. They were ordered to go in groups of 3. The base also had shuttle buses and encouraged the marines to use them rather than venture forth into the heart of darkness that the blacks had made of the Anacostia neighborhood.

    This was in the 1940’s when that anti rape organization I admire so much was very active in both DC and surrounding metro area. Marines were not only combat trained soldiers but all men in those days as well. But the base commanders
    knew the Anacostia savages were so dangerous even marines could no leave their base alone on foot.

    Even 5 percent african savage can and does ruin a school, a city, a job site a state and a country.

    Someone mentioned that facism came from ancient Rome via the always eeeviiiil RC. Actually, its only the symbol of a facses, a group of anything combined to make each indiviual component stronger. Take a look at the great seal of the USA and all our eagles. They hold a facses, alleged symbol of hitler, mussolini, the eeeviiil vatican and ancient Rome.

    Our eagle holds a bundle of arrows 13. I believe to show that
    one person or colony or city is weak but combine weak individual sticks, arrows or whatever and the combination becomes strong. Think of workers and unions, in union there is strength. Also that ancient French village and clan motto, all for one and one for all.

    There are a lot of universal symbols. Sticks, arrows, tools whatever combined to be stronger than an individual thing is universal. The stars on our flag are a type of fasces symbol, 50 states combined into one strong nation. It’s nothing to do with the RC.

    I’d love to seccede from the united states, but not to live in a state that is more than 5 percent black which includes all the
    southern states. Being old enough to remember when Los Angeles was virtually run by Jews, Bradley, an all black civil service and black thugs who rampaged through out the city from their lairs in Watts & S. Central I am so grateful for the immigrant invasion. Murder in Los Angeles has hit an all time low from the 1960’s and there is just one reason; blacks have left.

    Ever seen the difference between mexican and black children coming out of elementrary school. Ever heard the filth spouted by even 7 year old blacks? Ever been in a public library when the quiet civilized non black kids come in?

    Ever been in your local library when the black kids come in?
    Ever been in a fast food or ice cream store when black kids come in? Mexican kids behave just like Whites, Asians etc, like normal children who speak in normal tones, walk instead of lurching and lunging and are in all ways more desirable than blacks.

    I don’t favor race replacement at all. I find the asian, arab, russian, persian, armenian,indian and israeli immigrants just as bad for Whties as our goverment mandates that asian STEM and medics be hired instead of Whites. The rest are just incredibly skilled white collar criminals from the most corrupt countries in the world and have brought their inherent, genetic cultural corruption to America. But at least they don’t rampage about the city gang raping White women and gang beating and humiliating White men while jewish attorneys and our own goverment aids and abet black on White crime.

  370. Taras's Gravatar Taras
    December 5, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Let’s make something perfectly clear. The “Russian Revolution was a hostile takeover of Russia on the part of religious and racial aliens who detested and hated the Russian people. They murded millions of Russians, along with Ukrainians and other Slavs because their religion teaches outsiders are filth, dogs, cattle, and beasts in human form. The Bolsehviks were not Russians, they were hostile aliens, the same ones who are going to exterminate tens of millions of white Americans the same way they did back in Russia. Engineered famines, mass round ups and killings, gulags, death camps swallowed un 100 million Christian Slavs, and if Americans do not get back control of their country, the same thing could happen here. I cannot see America staying together much longer, the Constitution is going to sooner or later be openly torn up and spat upon by these hostile aliens who are driving our nation over a cliff. When that day comes, white Americans are going to be justified in fighting back, against a regime intent on exterminating them and eliminating invaders intent on exterminating them and seizing sovereign American soil for themselves. No matter what some folks say, war is inevitable and it will be very bloody. Indeed it will cause a global death toll that will dwarf the Second World War in terms of dead and displaced people. The question should now be not whether or not we can save the U.S., it’s doomed to destroy itself. The questions we should ask as white Americans are how are we and our children going to survive the very difficult times that are coming, and how are we going to create a new nation out of the ashes of the old.

  371. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Strange that your reply icon doesn’t work. Judge Final Judgment for yourself. I found it made a compelling case for Israeli involvement in the JFK hit.

  372. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 5, 2012 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    @John-Joseph:Saintclair: Agree with your depiction of the current situation. Don’t agree that freedom is an impossible objective towards which to strive.

    • December 6, 2012 - 6:33 am | Permalink

      @mari: Your comments on the symbol of a Fasces, alleged symbol of Hitler, Mussolini & the eeeviiil Vatican & ancient Rome are historically correct with the exception of your description of the Vatican as eeeviiil. If the Vatican was ever eeeviiil, it was due to the historical policies of individual Popes and the political situation/perception of the world at any given period of history, but I venture to suggest that the perception of the Vatican by most Americans as eeeviiil is more a product of the imagination based on complete ignorance of the European history of the Vatican and Roman Catholocism. The constructive criticism of the Vatican by ignorant Americans plays directly into the hands of the zionist jews who are the historic enemies both of the Vatican and Roman Catholocism. The Vatican & The Roman Catholic Church implemented one of the most positive policies in the history of the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church:the determined policy to confront Bolshevik Communism head on, and the greatest Pope of the 20th century without question was Pope Pius X11, the only Pope to be Crowned in public as a symbolic message and gesture to the demonic evil of Bolshevik Communism that Bolshevik Communism would not defy the authority & power of the Vatican with impunity.
      Pope Pius X1 was the equal of Pope Pius X11 insofar that he made a legitimate challenge and critique of Bolshevik Communism through his Encyclical “DIVINI REDEMPTORIS dated 19/03/1937 and other Encyclicals, and it was Pope Pius X1 who said to Kaiser Wilhelm 11:”We (the Vatican) must make Germany the sword of the Vatican (against Bolshevik Communism).
      It was left to Pope Pius X11 to preside over Vatican policy against Bolshevik Communism during WW2, and the most significant Vatican policy in 1933 was the the signing of The Concordat between National Socialist Germany and the Vatican, the contract that solidified National Socialist Germany (the Sword) with the Vatican. It is the symbol of the Roman Fasces of ancient Rome that connects
      Benito Mussolini’s Fascism to the Vatican because although the Vatican is an independent State, the Pope is both Emperor & Pontiff of Rome:Pontifex Maximus, and first and foremost, the Fascist Government of Benito Mussolini was dedicated to the defense & security of Catholic Europa against the odious and monstrous eeeviiil of Bolshevik Communism.
      Next to the divine Avatar Adolf Hitler (6.30:20), Pope Pius X11 is the most reviled and hated Pope by the Khazar fake zionist jews because they saw their dream of a global Bolshevik Communist World Order evaporate before their eyes and the vengeance of Soviet Communist America, Britain & Russia was the destruction of Germany and the destruction of the only two Catholic cities in Japan, these two cities that were destroyed by Atomic bombs.
      Watch the six part documentary series:”The Irish Origins of Civilization” for a better description of the symbolic meaning of the American eagle holding 13 arrows.
      Good luck with your 300 pound black savages who speak in ghetto grunt!!!

  373. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    December 5, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    There is already a strong anti-Polish narrative among UK elites whereas non-whites are celebrated. I would think again about your approach.

  374. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 5, 2012 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Well done; well said.

  375. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 5, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    @mari: We’ve been doing it for hundreds of years, Mari. Many of those without much of a problem. VERTICAL CITIZENSHIP. That’s the key, darlin’. Personally, I have no problem living around different types of people as long as I have access to a strong and spirited community of my own that understands its role and true power potential. The reason these movements start in the South is because we are more sensitive to obnoxious mettling from outside and thus will usually be the first ones to raise hell when domestic relationships become the subject of national or international policy or faux humanitarianism etc.

  376. December 5, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    December 4, 2012 – 7:20 pm | Permalink

    No need for a lesson for me, I have understood the difference for decades.

  377. December 5, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink
  378. December 5, 2012 - 11:30 am | Permalink

    Buchanan’s comments:

    While no one takes this movement as seriously as men took secession in 1861, the sentiments behind it ought not to be minimized. For they bespeak a bristling hostility to the federal government and a dislike bordering on detestation of some Americans for other Americans, as deep as it was on the day Beauregard’s guns fired on Fort Sumter. 

    The West is decomposing. British Tories seek to cut ties to the European Union. Scots want to leave Britain. Catalans vote to divorce from Spain, to which they have been wedded since the 15th century. Flemish talk of leaving Walloons behind in Belgium. Northern Europeans are weary of carrying their profligate southern brethren and muse about cutting Greece adrift and letting it float out into the Mediterranean.

    This decomposing will weaken the influence of all the anti-white structures that have dominated the whole.

    I mention this because a couple of our gang at BUGS have tried to get Brits to accept the Polish immigrants into their country as White brethen, instead of reacting to them much as they react to non-white immigrants.

    I think that’s wrong-headed and futile, and that the natural feeling of rejection of foreign elements should be supported.

  379. December 5, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    Everyone, our petition about the violent genocide being carried out against Whites in South Africa is doing rather well on the White House site:

    Sanction South Africa for its Genocide of White Farmers!

    But our petition about the larger world-wide white genocide that will wipe us out is still sluggish:

    STOP White Genocide through halting MASSIVE non-white immigration into EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.

    Please sign both!

    Use Obama’s billboard to get our messages out there!

    I wish we’d submitted these when the national secession frenzy was at it’s peak. We came in just a little bit behind that wave!

  380. December 5, 2012 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Ordinarily,your comment does not merit a response because your term:”Freedom,” economic or otherwise is completely illusory. But I am prepared to waste my mental energies by saying that In The United Soviet of America, ordinary Americans only have the “freedom” to be slaves of the Federal Reserve and the IRS and International Finance and to fight wars for the International Banksters.
    keep in mind the words of that congenital retard George W. Bush:”The Constitution is just a piece of paper.” In other words, a Constitution that is not worth the paper it is written on, and Bush should know because he has sworn his allegiance to fake yizrohell and The United Soviet of America.
    Good luck in trying to separate economic from political slavery!!!

  381. December 5, 2012 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I recall visiting relatives in Toronto in the late 50s. It had, like most Canadian cities a “Chinatown”, an area of approximately 20 square blocks in the downtown area. Orientals were rarely seen outside that area. In fact, about the only place non-Whites, in small groups, were seen was near the Union Station where most train porters were black, and Varsity Stadium where the football team played. Toronyo was lily white, even when I visited in the late 60s. Upon returning from Europe in the mid 70s, I stopped to visit relatives, and friends who had moved to Toronto. The friends lived in an high density apartment area, and complained about the smell of curry in thei building. I was stunned to see the number of Indians/Pakistanis in Toronto. At the same time, the city was being filled by sewage from the Carribean.
    In less than 40 years, Toronto went from a lily white, peaceful, pleasant city to a city with black ghettos and a high rate of violence. You can’t find an area without non-whites.
    The same can be said for virtually all larger Canadian cities. The transformation has been rapid, and less than popular with the indigent population.

  382. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 5, 2012 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, I was able to give my youngest daughter a lesson yesterday at the dinner table which might help her understand the destructive effects of diversity using just that thug we were talking about. We talked about how the murderous guy was unable to adjust to a peaceful midwestern environment when he was previously socialized in the violent and diverse NYC area in a survival of the fittest atmosphere, and how a young man like him would prove to be an unsuitable long term mate.
    I told her that what they taught about diversity at school wasn’t always right, that it sometimes creates friction, dysfunction, and heartbreak. I pointed out that people who are alike aren’t boring as portrayed by the media, but can be complementary to each other, and more easily loving and supportive in the long run.
    Additionally, the black families stuck together and comforted each other in the midst of another instance of black on black crime, and they preferred their own in times of stress, just like we do.

  383. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 5, 2012 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    @thm: Ruby (born Rubenstein) claims he shot Oswald to prove that “Jews are tough”. All sorts of spurious claims can be made about the guy, since he owned a low rent strip club and served as his own bouncer, let the cops drink free, and showed himself to be a lightweight businessman with mental health issues. At best, he was a wanna be mobster, laughed at by the Italians.

    • thm's Gravatar thm
      December 5, 2012 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

      @Vlad Writes:

      Ruby (born Rubenstein) claims he shot Oswald to prove that “Jews are tough”. All sorts of spurious claims can be made about the guy, since he owned a low rent strip club and served as his own bouncer, let the cops drink free, and showed himself to be a lightweight businessman with mental health issues. At best, he was a wanna be mobster, laughed at by the Italians.

      According to Michael Collins Piper, the famous leftist lawyer William Kunstler described in his autobiography a face to face meeting he had with Jack Ruby during a prison visit. He relates that Jack Ruby told him that the reason he shot Oswald was because he was afraid that if the truth came out about the JFK assassination it could be disastrous for American Jews.

      Piper also claimed that in a meeting Jack Ruby had with a friend shortly before he died, Jack Ruby told the friend that he was a businessman who did not do things impulsively, and that his shooting Oswald was not a spur of the moment act but rather done for particular reasons.

      Jack Ruby definitely had mob connections. His brother was part of Sam Giancana’s operation and Ruby had his own Chicago and Dallas mob connections that have been pretty well documented by Piper and others.

      I haven’t read Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgement but have read articles by Piper about it. Wonder if anyone here has read it and if so whether you find it credible.

  384. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 5, 2012 - 8:00 am | Permalink

    @Thank you:
    I did not intend to suggest that women destroyed the working class. Rather, that the fact that women were seduced into believing that the only role worthy of a human being was paid labor allowed us to ignore the real attack on the working class for at least a generation.

  385. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 5, 2012 - 5:20 am | Permalink

    Here is a Chinese student who makes the case for White Genocide – seriously. As one example, he notes that the population of Toronto was 90% White in 1978. Today, it is only 46% White. This is a catastrophic decline in numbers. So, will pro-Whites start using the term ‘genocide’ after the Chinese do?

    He has some attempts at humor toward the end of the video, but the basic points made at the beginning are true. Why are White people so blind to their own genocide, especially when the facts supporting it are so widespread and publicly available?

  386. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 5, 2012 - 12:55 am | Permalink

    They replaced it with “owner’s equivalent rent.”

  387. Thank you's Gravatar Thank you
    December 4, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller

    Women entering the workforce had little to do with the destruction of the working class, which was a process well advanced before 1983 when the cost of homes was removed from the CPI to lower perceptions of the serious effects of inflation on lower income families.

  388. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Erratum corrige: “protection services”.

  389. Thank you's Gravatar Thank you
    December 4, 2012 - 11:44 pm | Permalink


    Putting a hurt on copyright law is fine with me, but please use the actual url of your “Austrian” School resource rather than a redirect via something like

  390. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: None of the above. I don’t see how coercive taxation can be squared with personal freedom. If people seek protection, then they will band together voluntarily (ask “mari” about the anti-rape organization – KKK!), or pay for them privately. Ditto for arbitration.

    But relax, I don’t see secession as a feasible option via legal avenues. Total systemic collapse seems more likely.

  391. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 4, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    This was a youngish married couple, and they were both professional opera singers, not mere wannabes. I forget the name of the apartment building in which they lived, but it was a very short walk from Baker Field, and I went out of my way that day to walk by the C.U. sports complex, before heading back to my rooming house, at the corner of Park Avenue and East 101st Street. (Actually, I went way out of my way that Saturday: I hopped on the wrong subway train, in Harlem, and wound up in the Bronx, looking for a nonexistent address, up there!)

  392. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 4, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink


    Who do you expect to govern a state, if not its government officials? How do you expect them to be paid, if not with tax proceeds? Would you prefer a government of, by and for (officially) unpaid plutocrats; or, simply one of (officially) unpaid cleptocrats, who get their inevitable financial rewards through systematic graft, bribery and extortion?

  393. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @J.J. Saintclair:
    I’d like to see some substantiation of your assertion that Fascism was essentially Catholic.

    • December 5, 2012 - 10:46 am | Permalink

      @Trenchant: Study the symbolism of Italian Fascism and the symbolism of German National Socialism, all of which I am prepared to say, leads to the Vatican. In truth, you need look no further than the Roman Imperial Eagles and the Italian Fascist and German National Socialist salute to recognise their Roman origin.
      Read the book:”Behind The Dictators” by H. Lehman and watch the six part series:”The Irish Origins of Civilisation” by Michael Tsarion on Youtube and you might learn something. As I said previous, The United Soviet of America is not Europa or the West, it is a super continent in the hemisphere of the Americas. Jomi

  394. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    @J.J. Saintclair:
    Good luck trying to separate economic from political freedom.

  395. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 4, 2012 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Monopoly: their pay all comes from the same essential font, tax. All the rest is cosmetic.

  396. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 4, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Once again Mari, you diagnosed the problem of seccession,etc. correctly. Most people haven’t given it enough thought. On the other hand, where has thinking ever gotten Americans lately. Amnesty for border criminals looks like a done deal soon, Americans bailed out Wall Street and the banks that charge them 28 percent interest on credit cards, all without a whimper, Obama got re-elected, the Republican Party gives the finger to its constituents on a dialy basis, etc. What good does thinking do. If Americans want seccession, JUST DO IT, as Nancy Reagan always says, then take it from there.

  397. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Just the first. One shouldn’t exaggerate one’s woes, after all.

  398. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 4, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Which circle of hell is that?

  399. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: You have me well and truly placed. I may even know of the existence of the opera singer you mention. Did he live in a garden apartment complex between two short streets whose names are the same save that one is suffixed East and the other West?

    I live in a freestanding building thirty yards from the north terminus of the latter. There are also several would-be singers living presently in my building. They are, sadly, talentless and vain, and I pray daily that failure to look before they cross the street will rid me forever of the hell of their nightmarish vocal exercises.

  400. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Queens as a rocket launching platform—at last the horrid place would serve a purpose! I like the way you think.

    The Blankfein information is news to me. Barry never disappoints, does he?

  401. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: If my own cat were still alive, she’d be too fastidious to eat such stuff. But your recommendation would be of great use to the many volunteer animal rescue outfits I know of and to the many folks (all white, need I add) in my neighborhood who daily put food out for the stray cats who live in the local parks and garden areas and for whom winter is a literally deadly season.

    Somehow, though, I suspect it would be a hard sell to make …

  402. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: You would have loved (facetiousness alert!) the coverage the Chiefs murder/suicide story got here in NYC. The murderer was evidently a piece of local garbage before he took his act to the heartland. Story after story turned on how heartbroken at his death all his family and friends were (at least those family members and friends available for comment and thus not presently doing hard time somewhere or other). I am not exaggerating when I say that not a single word of sympathy did I hear for the girl he murdered or for her family and friends, who presumably have feelings, too.

    I don’t, of course, deny that the primary lesson everyone, whatever his or her race, should be taking away from the case—never get involved with a black thug, no matter how much money a pro football team is paying him—may not even have gotten past the psychic barriers her parents, siblings, and friends doubtless erected long, long ago. Yet if even one white parent can persuade just one young daughter that this case stands as a terrific reason to avoid blacks to the fullest extent possible, some good may come of it.

  403. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 4, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I think the problem with the sesseccionist thing is that it is Texas and southern states. Texas has a huge hispanic population and a significant number of blacks who predominate in goverment jobs due to affirmative action.
    The rest of the southern states have huge black populations.

    I once thought of moving to Kentucky. Some of my paternal ancestors founded Frankfort and travelled to Kentucky in the 1790’s. But I’m basically a city girl. So I checked the population of Lexington, Louville, Frankfort etc and found that most of the cities in Kentucky are about 30 percent black.

    NO THANKS!!!!!!!!

    Even a 5 percent black population means problems, including crime.

    My question is, how could a White state possibly succeed with the percentage of blacks and hispanics that the southern states and TExas have? Who would want to live there?

  404. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 4, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @mari: Mari, interestingly, that was the view my Dad had of the Supreme Court. He was otherwise, politically unconcerned about much that went on. He always sarcastically referred to the “SSSuuprreeeeeeme Court.”

  405. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    December 4, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    “. . .Piper is a literal gold mine. . .”

  406. mari's Gravatar mari
    December 4, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Anglo Saxon

    I always thought the stars & stripes was the family coat of arms of the Walshingham Washington family? The stars were on the top of the shield and the stripes on the rest of the shield.

    Constitutionalists need to realize that the founders meant that federal judges, blackrobed spawn of satan appointed for life that they are were meant to rule the country. All that democracy propaganda was just that, propaganda to convince the working class and former indentured servants
    to serve in the military without pay to defeat the English.

    A constitution is just a legal system Like the bible and even the simple 10 commandents it is and was always meant to be open to endless interpetation by the ruling classes.

    And sometime between 1960 and 1972 the jewish ruling classes used Kennedy, Johnson and especially and foremost Nixon to set in motion the destruction of American Whites.

  407. December 4, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Early 70s in Glasgow:
    I was shocked to see the number of wogs in Glasgow. A friendly sort at McSorley’s, which I frequented, suggested that free tickets to an “old firm” Cup Final at Hampden could take care of a large number of them.

  408. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 4, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I have been thinking of your comment because you tweaked my conscience. While I acknowledged your point, I didn’t actually feel guilty about not rising to the defense of our men. Black women certainly do so with far less justification.

    The reason we all stand for this and so many other foolish and dangerous things is because you guys are both the gold standard and the safety net. It not hard to be daring even in the dark when you know that Daddy is walking right behind you. In our hearts we know that it is only white men who can give us babies with blue eyes and strawberry blond hair, only white men can run and swim and ski and box. Only white men can invent wonderful things like disposable diapers much less the internet. I know that individually we give you grief, but as a group the whole world relies on you. Y’all will never clean this mess up until we women ask you too. That day may be on its way sooner than we think. Let’s hope it is in time.

  409. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 4, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Just read that the Obama’s have 54 Christmas trees surrounding and in the White House. Now, when I said that we need to support the Chirstmas tree’s that are always objected to by atheists and some jewish groups, this isn’t what I had in mind. Typical Democrats, however, some one else will pay for it all…… Peace

  410. December 4, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    I recall being in Britain in the early 70s, watching a 5 Nations Cup match from Cardiff Arms Park. The crowd singing the Welsh National anthem was akin to a religious experience.

    Here is a version that demonstrates the difference in the crowd make-up.

    Try to ignore the babbling commentator.

  411. December 4, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I agree with your point about throwing race into the mix and that is why I am opposed to the term “White Nationalist”. The browns, yellows, and blacks always think in racial terms, Whites don’t.
    Nationalism requires closing borders to immigration, and rebuilding the economy internally. The only free in “Free Trade” is the freedom of the international Jew to contact another of the tribe in a foreign land to spread the swindle. Nationalism also requires a review of the immigrants who have arrived to determine whether they should be deported.
    In order to do these things, you can’t have “smaller” government, but you can have greater participation in government. Smaller government may come, but not before the new foundation is constructed.

  412. December 4, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    In Hymietown, those characterized as “among whom there is perhaps not a single honest or respectable human being to be found” could be the answer to your pet food shortage.

  413. December 4, 2012 - 2:39 pm | Permalink

    National Socialism is not fascism. They are as distinct as democratic socialism is from communism.

    • December 4, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

      @Curmudgeon: The word Fascism has been vulgarised in the same way that the word Nazi has been vulgarised by the zionist communist enemies of National Socialism.
      Political Fascism in Italy was to National Socialist Germany what National Socialism in Germany was to Italy. Both political ideologies were fundamentally Catholic – read the book:”Behind The Dictators” by H. Lehman for a more comprehensive overview of the political relationship between National Socialist Germany and Italy. The author H. Lehman concentrates more on the relationship between the Vatican & Germany, but what applies to Germany applies to Italy. Benito Mussolini’s Fascist movement removed the communists from Italy in the early 1920s, and as you probably know, Italy, Germany & Japan formed the Anti-Comintern Pact against Bolshevik Communism. You are commenting from an American point of view and not a European point of view, so please take into consideration the fact that ordinary Americans have had communist propaganda rammed down their throats since 1933 officially, and American school children are no different than British school children in this respect.
      My brother had a discussion about WW2 and Adolf Hitler recently, and the man my brother was speaking to nearly went ballistic when he stated that neither Adolf Hitler or National Socialist germany started or were responsible for WW2. The individual my brother was speaking to was a typical English congenital retard who knew absolutely nothing about the factual basis of WW2, only the communist propaganda that had been rammed down his throat. German/European National Socialism and Italian Fascism are the front & back of the same coin. The communist countries, which includes The United Soviet of America, bastardised the word:”Fascism” to insinuate that any individual or country that embraced National Socialism was a Fascist or was Fascist. I hope you enjoy the history lesson.


  414. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 4, 2012 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the recommendation. I do not usually read Counter-currents, but that piece is one everyone should read. Very sobering.

  415. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 4, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink


    Did you read Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgement? Do you recommend it?

    Israel’s president, David Ben Gurion, believed that JFK’s prohibiting the development of Israel nuclear weapons was a threat to Israel’s existence. Piper claims that Meyer Lansky had mossad connections and signed off on the mob’s part in the assassination of JFK because of his support for Israel. He claims that Jack Ruby shot Oswald because he feared a threat to American Jews if the truth came out. I didn’t read the book and wonder, if you did, Luke, how effective was Piper in documenting and proving this?

  416. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    December 4, 2012 - 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Gregory Hood does it again: stimulates serious thinking about our future in an anti-White world.

  417. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 4, 2012 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    There is no greater manifestation of our screwed up suburbs than the Super Bowl watching party. I cringe in despair when I get those invitations, which my wife thinks we must attend lest we insult someone. Since I am a big guy who played sports in my youth (too poor for music lessons like the rich kids!) they expect me to be an encyclopedia of useless knowledge about the big brutes who play the game, and keep up with their selfish, narcisstic actions off the field when they aren’t shirking their obligations to their children. They are amazed when I tell them I never watch professional sports! I only know the players from the crime stories, like the Chiefs guy who just shot his baby mama, then himself. (black on black crime) They think about it and get back to their free beer, chips, pizza, and “innovative” advertisements.
    Myself, I long to retire to my workshop, take apart a radio or other broken device and fix it, rake some leaves, clean my car engine, and teach my sons something useful that will help them survive when the whole sordid system finally collapses.
    That, or figure out how to make something better the next day at work, to create a sustainable competitive advantage, as well as a bulwark against predatory government.

  418. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    December 4, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: The general apathy and complacency that you encounter from most Whites is indeed a perfect reflection of how deeply they are intellectually poisoned. I find the same identical state of denial and delusion with Whites who I deal with as well. It’s like they are hopelessly mind poisoned and simply don’t care about vital issues, period.

  419. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Not to mention that this is a system and these are people by the fruits of which and of whom they are known.

  420. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 4, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    @thm: How right you are. The most telling two-step is embodied in the phrase “Dark Age Europe.” My money says he is referring to everything from the fall of Rome to the self-styled Enlightenment. During that period—encompassing the Christianization of all of the successor states and peoples to the Roman imperium, the checking of the Islamic threat to Europe at both ends of the Mediterranean, the greatest centuries of Roman Byzantium (including Justinian’s incomprehensibly valuable codification of the law), the transformation of the Northmen from murderers and rapists to a people whose mercantile, explorational, and cultural achievements rivaled those of the Greeks and Romans of a thousand to fifteen hundred years earlier, and (oh yes, almost forgot) the High Middle Ages and the Italian and Northern Renaissances—the use of the terms Eastern and Western to distinguish differing religious, cultural, geographical, and historical matters was commonplace, as can still be found in any of the thousands of extant documents that our Jewish friends haven’t blacklisted or destroyed yet. Many of them are preserved in the Vatican Library. (I hope the librarians get them photocopied before some ecumenically minded cardinal hands them over to a few rich guys in Haifa or Palm Springs!)

    None of that counts, I gather? Not even the distinction between Ostrogoths and Visigoths, which dates from—when?—350 AD? earlier?

    Damn right we need secession, secession first and foremost from people who would have the rest of us think that there is no West and that, even if there is, it lacks both self-awareness and a distinctive civilization and culture worth preserving.

  421. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Pavel: You are basically correct. I would say that your description of Whites would even apply to members of my immediate family.

    I am frequently amazed, when attending family get togethers, of how superficial and senseless the vast majority of the conversations tend to be. Boring. Seldom will there be any serious discussions of the most critically important issues that White people face in the outside world – instead, the talk will be about food, recipes, what is on TV, Hollywood gossip, or sports, ad nausem.

    When I try to bring up an important issue – about politics, culture, immigration, the welfare state, the third world invasion and colonization of America – or wars that our elites are lying us into, or about the false flag event on 911 that was used as the pretext for all these wars – the reaction I get is similar to the kind one might get if they break wind in the middle of the Sunday church service and manage to shatter all the glass in the church windows.

    There is something deeply disturbing about the present psychological health of White Americans. The realization of this, more than anything else, causes me an enormous amount of distress and at times, can be very depressing.

  422. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    @Pavel: You are basically correct. I would say that your description of Whites would even apply to members of my immediate family.

    I am frequently amazed, when attending family get togethers, of how superficial and senseless the vast majority of the conversations tend to be. Boring. Seldom will there be any serious discussions of the most critically important issues that White people face in the outside world – instead, the talk will be about food, recipes, what is on TV, Hollywood gossip, or sports, ad nausem.

    When I try to bring up an important issue – about politics, culture, immigration, the welfare state, the third world invasion and colonization of America – or wars that our elites are lying us into, or about the false flag event on 911 that was used as the pretext for all these wars – the reaction I get is similar to the kind one might get if they break wind in the middle of the Sunday church service and manage to shatter all the glass in the church windows.

    They is something deeply disturbing about the present psychological health of White Americans. The realization of this, more than anything else, causes me an enormous amount of distress and at times, can be very depressing.

  423. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 9:40 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Its a classic jewish template unfolding, Jason. Stalin deployed it when he wanted to establish the exact right conditions inside the USSR that would give him the green light to start rounding up and exterminating the Kulaks. Relentless and repetitive demonization of the Kulaks coming from every possible source of media and government communications.

    Whites are the new Kulaks. Matthews knows exactly what he is doing, and so do these RINOs in the GOP who are jumping onto the bash the “White male” freight train.

    These monsters want to kill us, Jason. Right now, they are frothing and foaming at the mouth, working themselves up to a fevered frenzy and we should view this the way we would view an unattended pressure cooker where the needle in close to pegging out at the maximum sustainable pressure and temperature.

    I would not give this situation more than perhaps 3 or 4 years before the lid will be blown off.

  424. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: its a classic jewish template, Jason. Stalin deployed it when he wanted to

  425. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice and I finally agree on something. Break out the champagne.

    While not 100 percent true, White women who are married – as a rule – generally do tend to vote more for the conservative candidates than the big government liberal candidates.

    I’ve read some analysis as to why this is the case and the general consensus is because unmarried White females tend to view the government as their sugar daddy and as their primary ‘protector’, whereas White females who are married to a dependable and responsible White male who is a reliable bread-winner tend to feel more secure and protected by that White male husband. Clearly, the second scenario is far closer to what nature intended – as the traditional roles played by men and women are more accurately fulfilled.

    Liberalism is at war with nature, however – and has been trying to destroy the natural order of things since this disease first emerged out from under the outhouse where it was first given birth.

  426. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 8:17 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I noticed the fire in the eyes of the negro when he was whining about how whites discriminate against blacks when they choose to date and marry other whites. This appears to be a black guy who’s been chasing white chicks his whole life and has yet to score with one.

    Someone should introduce him to Sarah Palin, and I bet his luck would change.

  427. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    December 4, 2012 - 7:23 am | Permalink

    @John-Joseph:Saintclair: Piper voted for Obama. Or, he at least supported giving this virulently anti-white, mulatto Communist another 4 years in his current job.

    Piper is a guy who I first discovered about 12 or 15 years ago, and I think the first time I heard him on web radio was back in the early days when he and Alex Jones were still on relatively friendly speaking terms. Piper came across as a traditional, old guard, America First Nationalist and while he wasn’t particularly what I would come to know later as a White Nationalist, he was pretty close. Or, so I thought at the time – so, I enjoyed listening to podcasts whenever I found one of him being the featured guest.

    Piper is a literal gold mine of ‘patriot’ oriented information – and I’ve bought and read a few of his books over the years. He eventually was invited to host his own nightly radio show on RBN, and I became a loyal listener of that program for as long as it lasted. Along the way, Piper fell under the influence of a fellow named Mark Glenn – who does a radio podcast of his own, The Ugly Truth. Glenn is of Lebanese descent, if I recall. Middle Eastern issues are his #1 passion.

    Anyway, Glenn’s influence over Piper has been rather dramatic and for the last few years, Piper has been banging the drum (along with Glenn) that White Nationalists need to form alliances with the heavily demonized Muslims and, like in some fairy tale story out of a children’s book, ‘together do battle with the jews as one united force’ and according to this fantasy, finally defeat them.

    Realistically, any such insane alliance as this would be a jewish wet dream, as it would give them the necessary basis to establish a link between White Nationalism and evil Muslim ‘terrorism’ – and then, with 30 plus thousand weaponized drones soon to be patrolling the skies over the USSA – Piper’s hero, Obama – with Abe Foxman whispering in his ear, could start delivering missiles to houses or cars which were suspected of having occupants inside who held White Nationalist, White race-realist views. It would be open season on anyone in the White Nationalist/White race realist community.

    From my standpoint, anyone who calls themselves ‘jew wise’ but cannot see where this extremely dangerous, Mark Glenn promoted ‘advice’ to the White Nationalist community would surely lead – is either dumber than a box of rusty hammers, or else they’ve got a sinister agenda that includes trying to lure White Nationalists into placing their foot into a ZOG bear trap. Based on Glenn’s repeated outbursts of derogatory, insulting, and unfavorable depictions of racially conscious White Nationalists – I have concluded that his problem does not relate to rusty hammers.

    One additional comment about Piper, as a Mark Glenn influenced entity. Piper used to dedicate entire radio podcasts back when I listened to him on RBN, bemoaning the fate of the poor, mistreated Palestinians. He would wax on and on about how nasty the jews were and how awful he thought it was that they were terrorizing and tormenting the Palestinians – and, to be fair, I also have sympathies for their plight. But, I never remember a single program where Piper would deliver an equivalent amount of concern for what the jews here in America were doing to White European people. It was as though the fate of White Anglo-Saxon-Celtic and Germanic people here in the USA – thanks to jewish lead efforts to genocide us inside our native homelands – was, in Piper’s mind, an insignificant issue when compared to what the jews in Israel were doing to the Palestinians.

    I found that to be a pretty significant misplacement of priorities, but all too reminiscent of the self-destructiveness of so many White European people – who, as Professor MacDonald has written, suffer from this suicidal disease of competitive altruism. In my case, while I may feel sorry for the Palestinians, I place the survival of the race of people I belong to at the top of my list of priorities – and believe every other White man or woman should do likewise.

  428. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 3, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    By the way, the Left is now attempting to push the idea of the government regulating our private lives, to ensure no “discrimination” takes place. This is a dangerous world we are leaving our children. There are no limits – no limits – to how far the Anti-Whites will go. As soon as a concession is made, they demand more. And yes, Virginia, the intent is genocide.

  429. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    December 3, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    I say go full bore on secession. Demand and END to ALL immigration, except whites, period.

  430. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 3, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink


    The bulk of the American judicial system– civil and criminal– is carried out at the state level, not at the federal level. Those state judges are almost all elected, not appointed, and they must face the voters, again, every few years. How is that a “monopoly” in which “one public servant judges another?” Even at the federal level, in which all judges, including the Supreme Court justices, are appointed by the executive, with confirmation by the Senate, you are essentially claiming that the judicial branch is, nonetheless, rigged, simply because government, across its three branches, has a “monopoly” on governing!?!

  431. dixie's Gravatar dixie
    December 3, 2012 - 8:41 pm | Permalink

    @ “….those idiots in The United Soviet of America who refer to America as a Fascist country should incorporate revision into their daily lives and study the factual difference between National Socialism and the political ideology of Marxist Zionist Bolshevik Communism….”

    What’s idiocy is not noticing it’s a Hybrid System, communist and capitalist hybrid. Fascism it is, indeed—- Militarist, Corporatist, Medicalist —the revolving door of Big off-shore business and corporations, read Mussolini’s definition, and yes, it would be Fascism.

    MSM in the u.s. has repeated daily for the masses, the idea that “Fascism” = Racism. (Everything in u.s. boils down to “racism,” lol). Every “hitler” movie is about Hitler being about “race,” pro one race, not for another. This is PROPAGANDA. LOL.

    Fascism is an economic system. Communism is an economic system. Economism —“right” or “left”—- is materialism and degrades human beings. The leadership incorporated think-tanking from “right” and “left,” and it is statism— Militarist-corporatism (which indeed can be multi cult; fascism can be multi-cult) and social insights from the social control industries recently created for that purpose of psychiatry, social work, etc.

    • December 4, 2012 - 5:49 am | Permalink

      @dixie: “Fascism is an economic system.” “Communism is an economic system.” Economism -“right” or “left”-is materialism and degrades human beings.”
      Of course, Fascism (National Socialism) is an economic system whereby the state takes control of commerce away from the jews (jewsury) for the benefit of the nation and the people exactly as Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler did, and both Italy and Germany developed an economic miracle that was the envy of those two countries that Adolf Hitler described as:”The most socially backward countries in the world:” The United (Soviet) Kingdom of Great? Britain and The United Soviet of America that could only give the people of these two countries social and economic poverty and depression.
      Materialism does not degrade human beings, people become degraded by materialism when they place materialism above all other considerations; in other words, they become abject slaves to materialism.
      As for the National Socialist concept of race, the pre-requisite of National Socialist ideology was that the Germanic peoples of Western Europe would be the masters of their own destiny and not the the slaves of the jews, and beyond National Socialist Germany and Europa, issues of race were of little interest to Adolf Hitler or the German people.
      During the war against Bolshevik Communism, people from all corners of the globe volunteered their services in the German army regardless whether they were Christian, Muslem or Hindoo, and there were even Chinese Nationalists who served in German National Socialist uniforms and one and a half million Russians fought alongside the German Wermacht for the liberation of Soviet Communist Russia.
      In The United Soviet of America, that yellow livered spineless cripple afflicted with infantile paralysis of the body and mind:Franklin Delano Rosso-Campo Rosenfelt consolidated communism in America as the Franklinstein of the 1930s & 1940s American Soviet political system.
      Franklinstein and Winstein Jacobson (fake Churchill) and their Zionist cronies had little trouble whipping up the British & American masses into a psychotic frenzy of hatred against National Socialist Germany, Italy and Japan because the psychology of Britain & America is essentially psychotic, the jews know and understand this and use it to their advantage.
      Your use of words like “Hybrid System” and “Communist and Capitalist Hybrid” demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of National Socialism and National Socialist Commerce which was essentially based on barter.
      Stick with The United Soviet of America and let us Europeans who understand better the political ideology of National Socialism debate National Socialism.
      The United Soviet of America is not Europe or the West, but a hemisphere in the Americas.


  432. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 8:19 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    What is more, even blue collar families had pleasant homes, vacations and some security -all on one salary. That may have been winding down in any event, but if women had fought joining the workforce, there would have been far more attention paid.

  433. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 3, 2012 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I wonder what women (and men) will think when they look at old reruns of the Dick Van Dyke show or the Brady Bunch. The lives the women lead seem pretty goshawful nice. And the men are happy too. Nice, pleasant, safe neighborhoods – and you didn’t have to be a millionaire to have it. And these were fair representations of what a middle class family could achieve.

  434. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    I came across this quote from a review of the book Unlearning Liberty by Greg Lukianoff, it seems to sum up the hysteria we face.

    With rigorous debate discouraged throughout higher education, and people seeking out only those they already agree with, it is unsurprising that many find it difficult to explain why what they believe to be right is right. After all, they have never had to test their beliefs. And the inability to explain why we are right ‘makes us even more emotional and hostile when anything questions our certainty’, says Lukianoff – hence the shrill, overemotional inarticulacy of so much public discourse.

    Perhaps the time is right to push them over the edge.

  435. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You are absolutely right to call us on it. If only I had Pierre’s gifts I would right a book! It is a standard Jewish family model. It is very easy to make fun of anyone who objects as simply a sore loser. Most of all, the care and feeding of men is a fine art which has been abandoned. In my lifetime, white women of all classes, had a life style of unimaginable luxury by world or historic standards. We had a smart, hardworking, innovative, cheerful workforce which allowed us to have as many children as we chose, at our convenience, who ensured that we could rear those children in prosperity, safety and comfort. All they asked in return was a little appreciation and a hot dinner. We blew that deal for reasons which have always eluded me. What further proof can there be that we are not as clever as we like to think.

  436. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 3, 2012 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    No, you can’t be responsible for your whole gender (please don’t hold me accountable for mine). However, all of us need to pay attention when someone claims to speak in our name. If we don’t demure in some way from what the “spokesmen” say, everyone assumes they speak for us.

    I have heard women, very quietly say, in private, that they don’t quite agree with all the male-bashing in our culture (when asked). That’s about as vociferous as it gets. This means, boys growing up assume women really do think the way they are portrayed as thinking in the media. I’m afraid, believe it or not, this has an impact.

    If every commercial and TV show showed White men insulting White women, then triumphantly dumping them for a Latina or Asian woman, I think you would appreciate some feedback from men saying, “you don’t speak for us”.

  437. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Indeed, it is another sign of our dysfunction which we often no longer even notice. Yet, we do feel the emptiness. Perhaps as the economy prevents us from cheerfully buying distractions we will come to our senses.

  438. Pavel's Gravatar Pavel
    December 3, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Therein lies the problem. You’re precisely correct when you stated that “we are not eager to enter into more.” White Americans seem to possess an uncanny ability to get to know a person without really getting to know them. I cant tell you the last time I had a genuine interaction with a white American. Please understand that I’m not white-bashing; I just happen to think that the lack of authentic social exchange among whites in this country is highly disturbing.

  439. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    I agree that there is something in the air. I think it is a simple as having no where left to hide. It is simply no longer possible for sensible people to pretend that anything in our system functions well. Our elite look more and more like those old politburo geezers, desperately hanging on to power. I am banking on a new generation of men who are willing to demand a level playing ground.

  440. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Who knows why? Perhaps it is the death cry of losers. A young reported asked Nancy Pelosi if it was time for her to step aside and let a younger group try their hand. She replied that his question was offensive. Hmmmm getting rid of the old white male leadership was a noble quest what has changed?

    If I must be responsible for all of my gender, I can only point out that Obama lost white married women. To vote for Obama is to announce that one is incapable of providing for oneself. I have taken to pointing out to young women that they are in danger of creating a generation of gigolos who expect their wives to provide for them.

    Even the MSM media has been forced to acknowledge that women cannot have it all. Young women are well advised to ask early on what price they are willing to pay. So many have lost all options by following the sage advice of their entire society. Poor girls.

  441. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    You make a very interesting point. If I may venture a guess, I would say that we spend so much of our time in forced associations, in which rigid social taboos, of all kinds, must be observed, that we are not eager to enter into more. We have abandoned all real social courtesies and customs, which served to ease interactions, in favor of an imposed ban on ever suggesting that one’s choices are not the best of all choices possible.

    This is another awful result of the Jewish feminist insistence that even hostesses must call out any guest who expresses politically incorrect sentiments. Welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

  442. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: You gotta have at least 3 guys for a good poker game, eh?

  443. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 3, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Ha,ha ha,ha…….best single liner and true to boot, that I’ve heard on Washington in years.

  444. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 3, 2012 - 5:56 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Maybe it is part of a deliberate demoralization campaign? The media is hopping into overdrive to ridicule Whites, especially White men. I’m reminded of Tokyo Rose, who broadcast to American serviceman that their wives were cheating on them every night, to demoralize them.

    Except this is more crude and open. Every single commercial shows a white woman preferring a black man over a white man. I even heard a half-Arabic guy comment on it last week! He noticed the White guys were portrayed as dweebs and losers, who were pushed aside by White women for black men.

    Here is the danger: White women are rather famous for not objecting. If this goes on, and White women remain silent, White men will take that as confirmation. I’m afraid the elites and the anti-Whites know what they are doing. They wouldn’t spend enormous resources on it if it didn’t work.

    I don’t think just hoping that “somehow” Whites will see through this is enough. If White women don’t make it clear that their desires are misrepresented in the media, it will spell doom.

  445. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    December 3, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink


    I think your observation is the result of two factors. One is the “Bowling Alone” phenomenon, and how middle American civil society was broken down by various trends, not the least of which was broadcast media.

    The second is racial diversity and desegregation; there are no exclusively white public spaces any more, thus no interest in the upkeep of these public spaces. In the South you will see this as “private luxury vs. public shabbiness.”

    Combine that with the fact that suburbs are artificial communities based on economic, not social, factors and it’s not a recipie for a warm, open community.

  446. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 3, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @Jett Rucker: Trick question. Washington with just one tyrant wouldn’t be Washington.

  447. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 3, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Yes, I’ve notice it to and I’m glad you brought it up. I thought I was being overly paranoid. It is sufficiently evident that the general level of white stupidness is also increasing, as the attacks against European-Americans are increasing. It might be that sowing the wind, so energetically, the left will not only reap a wirlwind but possibly a Hurricane category 5. Every action has a reaction in human affairs just as it does with the laws of physics. The only point I’m unsure about, is what the catalyst will be that stirs the Hurrican into action.

  448. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    While our children will need His help in any event, I actually think this will work in our favor. I have heard ordinary folks complaining about the overkill. I do believe you bugsters are making an impact.

  449. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    December 3, 2012 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

    By the way, the Anti-White attitude is getting more open after the election. If you watch Chris Matthews, it is clear he wants to inflict emotional harm on Whites – especially Whites who don’t embrace their own destruction. I see more open attacks on White Men in the media.

    This passionate desire to inflict deep emotional pain on Whites is evident among the Anti-Whites. It exhibits – and I know this sounds odd – a vaguely perverse, almost homosexual level of sadism.

    God help our children.

  450. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 3, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Thank you for a detailed description of the cosmetic aspects of judicial appointment, censure and dismissal. Materially, one public servant judges another. The monopoly structure still holds.

  451. buckle's Gravatar buckle
    December 3, 2012 - 4:32 pm | Permalink


    The Scots are too busy hating one and other to think ethnically. A Rangers v Celtic soccer game will confirm this.

  452. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 2:53 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Oh, Alice, did they promise? For real? Promise to force us to destroy ourselves genetically? Can we say pretty please? Thank you sir, may I have another? et al…

    Time to stand up and laugh these guys over the edge:)

  453. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram:
    While I am loathe to emulate the opposition, we really must start the an anti-defamation group. While sitting in the dentist office I happened upon an old issue of Virginia Living Magazine. It had an article on lineage societies in which it promised that soon they would cease to be predominantly white!

  454. Pavel's Gravatar Pavel
    December 3, 2012 - 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Regarding secession: Has anyone given serious thought as to the alienated and closed nature of most white Americans? Let me explain. I am an immigrant from Russia who came to this country about 10 years ago. I have noticed a peculiar aspect, regarding white Americans specifically, that I’m afraid will hinder any sort of organized movement, let alone something drastic like SECESSION. After spending a long time living in the suburbs, I have noticed that whites are closed-off people. They’re not interested in getting to know their neighbors (who are mostly white, as well) and almost never engage in meaningful or deep conversations with other people. The extent of their interactions with others is a pseudo-friendly “Hi! How are you today?” or “How are Justin and Stephanie doing?” Suburban whites are living in quarantined bubbles which are rarely penetrated by interesting actions/ideas, especially not radical ones like secession. I’d love to hear more analysis on this, if you guys get the gist of what I said.

  455. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    @thm: Yeah, well, when you put the Ring of Power on it’s supposed to make you invisible. But the Truth is that it works only for the one who is meant to wear it. When the Pretenders put it on, it makes them think that everyone else is invisible but them. Again, pride goeth before a fall:)

  456. thm's Gravatar thm
    December 3, 2012 - 1:40 pm | Permalink

    @Ghost of Bilbo Baggins:

    There is no “Western civilization”. It’s a made up 19th century word. How many people who use this term, understand that before the late 19th century – there is no reference to ‘western civilization’ whatsover, anywhere, in the world, not in Europe, nor anywhere else.

    Not in ancient Greece, or Rome, not in Dark age Europe, or colonial America, nor Victorian England.

    No western civilization.

    Just like there are no Palestinian people or Palestine — just a made up entity, right! Every ethnic group of people, self described such as they desire, has a right to an existence and to look after their own interests — except for those who the Zionist elders do not approve of. Such as the European ethnic people of Christian heritage. Or Palestinians. Right?

    The Ghost of Bilbo Baggins is echoing arguments you will find on SPLC/ADL sympathizing forums and the comment sections of Zionist forums — where the non-existence of an European ethnic group or Palestinians is vehemently asserted.

  457. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    December 3, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I hope Scotland is successful in its separation movement.
    I might move there.

    Scotland is an over governed multi-cultural cesspool like anyplace else. If you do move here keep your head down in case you walk into one of those friggin windmills now ruining the scenery.

  458. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 3, 2012 - 12:25 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Are you referring to Broadway Bridge, near Baker Field, Pierre? I almost sublet an apartment near there, five years ago, from a couple of opera singers, who were about to go on tour. I know that that neck of Manhattan Island is quite thick with Dominicans.

  459. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 3, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Hee-hee. Most certainly, you of all people would be granted safe and rapid passage right out of that damned “boil on the arse of humanity”, Pierre.

    Hey! You any good at launching Sidewinders and the odd mortar from a standing position? Do you think if we launched those armaments from Queens (into “the house that Morgan built”) that that would represent poetic justice?

    Last I heard, Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman has recently been assigned a protection blanket comprising a 3 strong team of CIA Ninjas by none other than that dusky Chicago Bathhouse Queen … popularly known as “Bawwie Satooroh Obumma”.

    Do yah think they’re runnin’ scared yet?

  460. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 3, 2012 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: My friend, if you will give me an hour’s notice to get my few precious belongings out the door and over the bridge to the mainland, which is some 250 yards to the north of my flat, not only will I applaud the destruction of the island—I’ll lend a hand.

  461. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 3, 2012 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Chuckle! Your observations are of course 100% correct Vlad. Though I wouldn’t put too much faith in Scotland. At least, certainly not in the Glasgow/Edinburgh east/west axis.

    If you ever hear an Indian (i.e., the Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta type) speaking in a broad Scottish accent you’d know what I mean. Glasgow is now full of them. ‘Tis amazing how stupid the average Brit sounds when he/she starts to justify the presence of hordes of Indian immigrants in his/her country on the grounds that ‘hot’ and over-priced curries have since become part of the staple diet of most of Britain’s native inhabitants.

  462. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 3, 2012 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: True. Another sad truth is that they were greatly outnumbered. The enrolment of “fresh off the boat” immigrants into the Union Army (at the wharfs of Boston and Manhattan) were decisive. For me, this cheap & dirty practise helps to underline the North’s inherent celebration of the “lowest common denominator” principle. Its gutter adherence to this principle can partially explain why Amerika is now hated (almost) the world over. And I am not exclusively referring to the attitudes of Muslims or Arabs. That hate and contempt has now gone viral, second only to Israel.

  463. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 3, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: Great clip anglo-saxon. Unfortunately, in America, it is illegal to have that many white people in one place. Last time I saw that many white people together in a stadium was in the 1960’s, and they are probably still ashamed of themselves for it.
    I hope Scotland is successful in its separation movement.
    I might move there.

  464. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 10:56 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    If valor and superb horsemanship were sufficient the South would have won the War of Northern Aggression.

  465. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 3, 2012 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    May I suggest you look into The League of the South? In addition this site lists movements. Welcome! The simply act of reasonable intelligent people discussing this will change the public conversation.

  466. December 3, 2012 - 10:07 am | Permalink

    What’s better? Being oppressed by one tyrant a thousand miles away in Washington, or being oppressed by a thousand tyrants one mile away right in your own state? (Apologies to Mather Byles, 1770)

  467. -JC's Gravatar -JC
    December 3, 2012 - 9:26 am | Permalink

    They’d have taken secession seriously in 2008 if they had the information in this video– the best I’ve seen– on The Bailouts:

  468. Annis's Gravatar Annis
    December 3, 2012 - 9:19 am | Permalink

    I am tried of running. White flight means that White people always run away and let the usurper take what belongs to us and spoil it.

    I do not want my state to secede even tho I signed the petition and we now have enough votes, I just wanted to stir the pot and cause trouble.

    However, I would work, right now, in my state for a referendum like the one discussed. I have found thru experience that its easy to contact and talk with my state representatives who are always available and willing to talk about these issues.

    So I am ready right now to do this, work on a referendum. I agree with what was stated in the article, I want a referendum that is about the founding stock of America and a situation where we can get rid of welfare programs and therefore, I hope, eventually drive all non Whites into blue states. That should make them happy.

    If I can get some guidance here about how to proceed and what points to include etc? I am so restless and eager to do something. I want to work on this. Here am I Lord, send me.

    Any advice from the writer of the article or from other writers and leaders? I’m a Tennessean. Believe me, our White men are sick of working until June just to pay government taxes.

    If I had the money, I’d put up a big billboard with a photo of the map I found online of a greater israel. I’d show everyone what our children are dying for.

    You have my email address at gmail or I will watch this board.

  469. Ghost of Bilbo Baggins's Gravatar Ghost of Bilbo Baggins
    December 3, 2012 - 5:49 am | Permalink

    There is no “Western civilization”. It’s a made up 19th century word. How many people who use this term, understand that before the late 19th century – there is no reference to ‘western civilization’ whatsover, anywhere, in the world, not in Europe, nor anywhere else.

    Not in ancient Greece, or Rome, not in Dark age Europe, or colonial America, nor Victorian England.

    No western civilization.

  470. FatFish's Gravatar FatFish
    December 3, 2012 - 3:24 am | Permalink

    I also think it’s important that we don’t choose a Southern State. Yes, a Southern State would be the most likely candidate, but they have so much baggage and the media would rip us apartment….But what we really need is a Midwest State.

  471. FatFish's Gravatar FatFish
    December 3, 2012 - 3:22 am | Permalink

    What about Christianity?

    This is a key thing. I think it’s important to add ‘A Christian State’ to the mix. Who cares if it scares off the Atheist whites…I used to be one and then I realized…”Ahhh Christianity is MY religion, the White Religion…I get it…I’m not atheist any longer”

  472. tadzio's Gravatar tadzio
    December 3, 2012 - 2:18 am | Permalink

    Step one is to assemble a catalogue of how to get a question on the ballot and what form the question must take. Laws vary by state as to whether the question will be binding or non-binding. The requirements can be low.

    Example, in Massachusetts a question, not involving an expenditure, can advise officials of pretty much anything if a petition is signed by 150 voters in the district of a state representative. The measure will appear only in that district. Districts for the state senate can be used though the signature requirement is larger.

    Multiple petitions can be floated, that is, there can be one for eliminating affirmative action on the same ballot as way of establishing the connection between the two ideas and, thus, promoting White racial solidarity. The clerks in the Secretary of State’s office are helpful in formulating the wording.

    By the way, Massachusetts has the Right of Free Petition. I do not live there anymore, but if any Massachusetts resident contacts his state rep in the next couple of days [I forget the deadline for the next session of the General Court starting in January] he is required to file a bill for you. There will be a hearing and you will be afforded the opportunity to testify at it. If the deadline has passed request an emergency preamble. Just devise a simple petition of secession.

    Your legislator may or may not attach a notification of non-support of the measure, but he will file it and it will go through the the process. Then it is up to you to generate publicity and garner support.

    I urge any Massachusetts voter here to do this. I have in the past found this procedure to be useful.

    Actions speak louder than words.

  473. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 3, 2012 - 1:54 am | Permalink

    My American Cousins … remind yourself of what has come before you. You are equal to them, and have the capacity to emulate what they did.

    You must (one fine day) charge into that filthy island called Manhattan, and totally destroy it. Wipe out the ADL, the United Nations, and all of Wall Street. Arrest the entire Rockefeller family before putting them on trial for capital offences. Invite Timothy Geithner to jump off the Empire State Building as clearly he already believes he can fly.

    The future of Manhattan … and the future of Mankind are mutually INCOMPATIBLE!!!!!

    Once you combine balls and a trusty steed with a Noble Mission, you can achieve miracles.

  474. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 3, 2012 - 1:30 am | Permalink


    A small group can pull off a coup against an undemocratic regime run by a dictator, or by another small group, that does not have legitimacy in the eyes of the military, let alone of the populace. The notion that a small group could take over our own constitutional government is ludicrous. Becoming racially aware and being willing to overthrow the government, and then dispose of many, if not most, of the nation’s population, are two very different things. Wanting to stop immigration, Affirmative Action, and multiculturalism is very different from wanting to set up a neo-fascist “White Nationalist” dictatorship, and dispose of literally hundreds of millions of citizens as “undesirables.”

  475. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    December 3, 2012 - 1:24 am | Permalink

    To my American Cousins … you won’t do anything until you regain the sense of pride & honour that the Southern Confederate States once naturally exuded, and until you can sing together, as one, like the Welsh.

    Try this (the link below) for a tear jerker.

    If you do cry, then don’t feel an ounce of shame!! Big men of huge stature collapse into tear-filled bubbling wrecks whenever they hear it sang well. What you are about to see and hear on this YouTube clip even has the power to move cold-hearted English bastards (like me) to tears.

    Drop the Stars & Stripes. It’s nothing more than a copy of the British East India (Corporate) Flag. Burn the f*cking thing!!! Find a new flag and new symbols to rally behind. And then … take a leaf out of the Welsh book. Just white people, with a rallying cry that gives them an advantage from the get-go.

    Click here to enjoy: Over 75,000 men and women (comprising over 95% of our white brethren) singing in total unison, and without a conductor!

  476. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 3, 2012 - 1:00 am | Permalink


    At the federal level, they are approved by the executive who appoints them, and then by the Senate that confirms them. After the fact, they may be indicted by the House of Representatives, and then tried and convicted by the Senate, which would thus remove them from office, despite their lifetime tenure.

    At the state level, judges are generally elected, rather than appointed. It is that elected state judge who has a conflict of interest, in making his rulings, not the appointed federal judge!

    Decisions by judges may be appealed through two or more levels, and ultimately to the U.S. Supreme Court, if they present a federal issue, regardless. If one party is dominating the federal judicial appointments, it is because it is firstly dominating the elections; and, if that is the case, that is because other social trends, be they demographic or ideological, are causing the electorate to vote that way. If you do not dominate the cultural zeitgeist, you are unlikely to dominate the electorate.

    At any rate, judges do not have monopoly power over the judicial branch: trial by jury is still a Constitutional right, in this country. On top of which, monopoly power would include the right to choose themselves– and neither state nor federal judges have that power. Nor does the judicial branch have the de facto power to enforce its own rulings. It must rely upon the executive branch to do so.

  477. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 3, 2012 - 12:53 am | Permalink

    @Sir Tristram: I wish I had the time to read Shelby Foote’s’ trilogy. I have always marveled at how the Southern states got stuck with the “bunch of ignorant hayseeds”, type labels. I early on had enough knowledge to know that if anything it was the North that was full of hayseeds. Many of the Southern States had a high culture, and were full of well read people. The success of the cultural Marxist program in this nation is utterly astounding. There are times that come to my mind, where I realize how conned the greater American public has been by the so-called “conservatives”. Politcally, the right in this nation has been like kindergarten kids, compared to the left, who could be called their parents. Speaking for myself, it is utterly embarrasing to even be associated with the Republicans any longer.

    • Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
      December 3, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

      Absolutely. I know what you are talking about. I spent 5 years in Savannah, Georgia giving Civil War tours to thousands of people from all over the world and the only guy who grabbed me by the throat that entire time was a Lincolnite. Everyone else had a great time and enjoyed the tour and paid homage to the best of Dixieland.

      BTW, “DIXI” in Latin means “that settles the matter.”

    • Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
      December 3, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

      @Ghost of Bilbo Baggins: Ha, right. And no Santa Claus. And no Evolution. It’s all just air castles and pipe dreams, except for the fact that I can trace my lineage back for 37 generations and many other people can, too.

      Civilization is just another word for Memory. Those were the days, my friend…

  478. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 12:33 am | Permalink

    Shelby Foote’s Civil War trilogy is, however, a great read. Though I don’t have the text on me at the moment, his analysis of the negotiations surrounding the beginning of the war at Sumter is spectacular. He talks about how a Judge from Alabama, I think his last name was Story, was shuttling communications back and forth between Washington and Montgomery.

    When Story realized the game that was being played and that the Lincoln administration was really just trying to tease the South into firing the first shot by first promising not to reinforce Sumter and then breaking that promise, he communicated back to Jefferson Davis that “they have decided to play the coward.”

  479. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    Please don’t waste your money on Spielberg and Daniel Day Lewis so that they can continue sailing the world on their yachts while the rest of us eat overpriced popcorn.

    What was it that Booth said?
    Oh yeah, that’s right… SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

    Good riddance. He knew, in the end, that history would not spare him. I’ll give him that much.

  480. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 12:22 am | Permalink

    And I don’t think Lincoln even read Calhoun’s Disquisition. To my knowledge, he made a couple of poor rhetorical jabs at his legacy and treated it as if it wasn’t even worth examining, in exactly the same way as liberal snobs gloss over “anything from Alabama” etc.

    But that’s all right. Pride goeth before a fall.

  481. Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
    December 3, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @Tom: Good comments. Yes, the Jefferson dynamic is best understood in this kernel: INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE. And the Hamilton dynamic: ENERGY TO THE GOVERNMENT.

    Look what’s happening all over the world right this very moment. Who was more prescient?

    Yockey got it wrong. Hamilton was not our greatest statesman.

    Jefferson was. And then Calhoun…

  482. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 3, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @D. K.: A monopoly position as the ultimate dispenser of justice will necessarily result in an insuperable conflict of interest. Who judges the judges?

  483. The Goy Chevalier's Gravatar The Goy Chevalier
    December 2, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Secede to what? An ethnically White territory composed of small factions of White enthusiasts who agree on some fundamental level that ethnic solidarity is necessary, but who have no long-term, substantial plans to see this change through, or at least see that it is firmly rooted in the soils of history? No business plan can predict the future, but it does help to have a well-informed plan. What can we agree on?

  484. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, I had no idea about things getting so out of hand in New York. My God. I was listening to a late night radio program some time back and the host was Curtis Sliwa, leader of the Gaurdian Angels citizens protection group. A call came in from some Boston leftist, excoriating him for being so narrow minded on the “underprivileged.” Sliwa asked the caller where in Boston he lived. When he told him, Curtis answered sarcastically, “yeah, I know that area, it’s one-hundred percent lily white, whereupon the leftist moron silently hung the phone up.

  485. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    December 2, 2012 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately, the minute you throw race into the mix, you’re going to get almost everyone shying away from secession like it was the plague. Better to use the proverbial ‘dog whistles’ such as “smaller government” which also means less welfare doled out, and maybe something like “state population caps” which of course refers to limited immigration.

    Using these kinds of couched terms allows us to speak to each other and understand each other whilst avoiding the overt terms of race and ethnicity which are the death knell of any political agenda in this country.

    Sure, the liberals and multicults will accuse us of using these dog whistles, and they’ll be right, but there will be no hard evidence or proof, and therein lies the wiggle room within which political movements advancing ideas outside the mainstream can gain acceptance and popularity.

    It sucks to have to be shady about it like that. It would be far more gratifying to come straight out in the open and say, “You know what, this IS about race after all.” But unfortunately, there aren’t enough white people out there with the courage as of yet to draw that line in the sand and stick by it.

  486. Wodansthane's Gravatar Wodansthane
    December 2, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    You fail to realize that a great many people will awaken from their slumber when the ball starts rolling. Nothing is anathema to people that they have not given serious consideration. Also, remember that great things get accomplished by small groups of determined individuals.

  487. December 2, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Dear Professor Macdonald

    After this White Pathology issue in Spring, We need a special Occidental Quarterly issue on Crypto-Jews.

    I cannot find a single authoritative book on Jewish crypsis. Secession is meaningless unless we deal with this issue.

  488. December 2, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Secession can only succeed if Judaism can be filtered out with genetic testing. Otherwise, crypto-Jews will yet again infiltrate the future White ethnostate and eat it from within.

    Take Newt Gingrich for example. He has all the characteristics of a crypto-Jew, yet gullible Whites (even the so called smart gentiles) were utterly deceived by this crookster.

    New Gingrich looks remarkably similar to Howard Philips, another Christian convert from Judaism.

  489. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre, any system of government, including one that is governed, like ours, by a written constitution, can be (as opposed to “may be”) administered, in practice, counter to both the letter and the spirit of the “supreme Law of the Land.” No institution run by human beings is immune to the possibility of either gross error or outright corruption. If the history of the Catholic Church itself does not prove that, nothing can! The Constitution is there to be either enforced, as is, or amended. If Americans are unwilling to do the former, who else’s fault is it? If those who would like it amended cannot muster enough popular support to change it, according to its own devices, why should it be changed to please such an ineffectual minority?

  490. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 2, 2012 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    I fear we are lost in our own hubris. The Good Lord saw fit to grant us free will and to allow us to pay the consequences for our choices. We should give the same courtesy to others. Good fences do make good neighbors.

  491. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 2, 2012 - 8:51 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Once large swathes of the “social compact” are repudiated (methinks SS, Medicare, and obligations of various State and Federal agencies), I am convinced that fealty to the Constitution will start to crumble. (Hundreds of millions of dumdums ordered by non-military agencies may possibly speak to this contingency).

  492. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 2, 2012 - 8:50 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Perhaps you’re being just a bit tough on the author—but if you are, it’s no more than a bit. He surely would have absolved himself of any blame had he merely written the first or second comment in this thread, a comment in which he explained the error and gave credit where it was due.

  493. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 2, 2012 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: I agree with everything in this comment of yours. I’d add, however, that the poisonous icing on the unhealthful cake is that a vast number of the Mexicans do indeed seem to be really bad people.

    Here in Hymietown, the same could be said in spades of Dominicans, among whom there is perhaps not a single honest or respectable human being to be found. Through murder and terror, their gangs have effectively marginalized the more or less organized criminal elements of the black and other Hispanic populations. The only group as bad as or worse than the Dominicans is the Albanians.

  494. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 8:45 pm | Permalink


    A formatting error (which is what I have assumed) is not a typo, Andrew. The point is that readers who had not read Mr. Buchanan’s column for themselves would have no way of knowing where his actual comments began and ended, in Mr. Dodgson’s above post. That is plagiarism, whether it is deliberate or inadvertent. I am duly embarrassed when I find any typos in my comments, here and elsewhere. To make such a gross and obvious error, in a featured post, as Mr. Dodgson has made, above, would drive me to ritual suicide!

    Your prospective “White Republic”– which, following the guidelines you lay out, would be about as republican as the People’s Republic of China, or the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea– is a pipe dream. The full number of actual “White Nationalists” in this country could not manage to take over any good-size city, let alone hold it from the authorities. Your belief that you will somehow take control of a sizable area of this country, kill or expel all those whom you consider undesirables, whether for racial, ideological or religious reasons, and then hold off the armed might of state and federal authorities to establish a permanent White Utopia, is nothing short of certifiably delusional.

    You surely need not worry about me, in your “future White Republic,” Andrew. I will have been long dead before any of you would-be “White Nationalist” revolutionaries so much as lays out a plan for taking control of the country, and then ridding it of hundreds of millions of my fellow undesirables. Your actually carrying out such a plan, in your lifetime, is about as likely as your traveling to the other side of the universe, through a wormhole– in a spaceship designed by some Black African native, and built in his backyard!

  495. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, the point I try to make when I go into my usual proselytizing on the massive illegal immigration from Mexico mainly, is not that Mexicans are bad people, that they’re wants and needs are fundamentally different from other human beings, that they are somehow “evil”, etc. No, that would be a total misreading of my point. The point I’m making is this, it’s inevitable that these people will vote in a way that will bring a super influence from Mexico, onto the U.S. and that European-Americans are going to have constant, never ending strife towards that influence from corrupt Mexico and so many of its very nationalistic citizens that are now posed to become American citizens. One can see this potential disaster in every way imaginable in California and other southwest states. It’s already happening. These people want things their way– their language, their culture, period!! My personal opinion is that most European-Americans don’t understand the strife and danger their “representatives” are leading them into.

  496. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    December 2, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    When the Chapel at West Point is being used to glorify two lesbians getting married, one of them a West Point graduate, is there anything about the military left to support? They are rubbing our noses in the fact that they have completely obliterated the old America, and its once grand military.
    I for one can no longer support our military, which is so much better equipped than our “enemies” that it functions more as an affirmative action government job training center than a defense force. We should let the fiscal cliff happen and drastically cut spending on this monster, which is the principal means of projecting the power of our jewish controlled government.

  497. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 2, 2012 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Abolish copyright, the enabler.

  498. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 2, 2012 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

    It is about to get worse in many places. White flight is again being cast as the source of all evil. Rather than acknowledge that black run cities, completely free of white influence inevitably fail, our betters are now demanding that we share the burden. Memphis is currently threatening to dissolve the boarders between municipalities. Share the misery is our future if we do not do something.

  499. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 2, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:

    … I am against any revolution against the United States, while it still is subject to the Constitution, as it is currently, albeit imperfectly, written. If and when that Constitution itself is so altered as to become inimical to the very Constitutional Republic that my own American forefathers instituted, late in the 18th Century, then I will be willing to take up arms against whichever despots have rendered it thusly inimical to liberty.

    These sentences and the comment of which it is a part appeared after I began typing my earlier reply but before I posted that reply. Perhaps curiously, I find myself disagreeing with the quoted sentences in two ways. (1) I am persuaded that the Constitution, which Joe Sobran long ago described as no hindrance to our present form of government, is already inimical to us—even deadly inimical. (2) That said, however, I still don’t see myself taking up arms, advocating that others do so, or openly suggesting in any manner whatsoever that such a course of action is either licit or wise. Entry-level Just War theory requires that the good issuing from war be at least as great as the war’s inevitable harm. Given what our government has shown itself capable of, whether here or abroad, our sufferings will have to be much more burdensome than they are now before that standard can be met.

    I do not, however, discount that this situation might change in a matter of months or even weeks. With economic and financial ruin being a genuine possibility before any of us is very much older, the whole country could soon be taking Detroit or your own home state’s now ruined Gary as a functional model.

  500. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    December 2, 2012 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for discovering Mr. Dodgeson’s typo in quoting Mr. Buchanan’s article, and then launching into accusations of plagiarism, no doubt you have never made a typo yourself. As a person loyal to the U.S., it might make sense for you to remain out of the future White Republic.

    Secession is certainly the logical next step for Whites to take after recognizing that the U.S. does not support our interests. We realize that we have irreconcilable differences, and a peaceful and amicable divorce is natural. The situation has not deteriorated that far as of yet though, the dollar is still viable, taxes are manageable and neighborhoods are still segregated voluntarily for the most part. However, in another two or three decades, this will not be the case, and the impetus for secession will be far stronger than it is now. I agree with Mr. Dodgeson that any steps taken now would be beneficial for the long-term prospects of a future White republic.

    I am not sure that I agree about the explicit Whiteness aspect though. I am not in any way opposed to explicit Whiteness, but I am viewing this from a tactical standpoint. Most proponents of secession will probably consist of Whites, motivated primarily by economic reasons. If a White Republic were to be created, it would probably include only a minority of Whites, as many live in the South or the coasts. However, their support of the project would probably be very important for its success. Injecting a racial element into the project would probably reduce its support and thus viability. An alternative plan would be to create a secessionist movement built around “conservative” principles, which would in practice involve a vast majority of Whites. In a new Republic, a vocal minority of White Nationalists could have the capacity to then racialize the populace. Just some thoughts.

  501. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    @Tom: Tom, it’s not just the secession movement that takes… “hard work and involvement that most people(American citizens)don’t want to undertake”. It’s everything else that is bringing down this country also. Illegal immigration from Mexico, for example, has practically turned California into a satellite of Mexico. Oh, I know most staunch conservatives and even some liberals would argue that this is an expression of paranoia. Is it? In city after city, in California now, because so many City Councils have hispanics(Mexicans) on them, because so many County politicians are Mexican, so many Congressmen and Women, etc. , who vote exclusively for more Mexican influence, more illegal immigration,(indirectly by the way they vote on issues), etc. more rights for “hispanics”, as Mexicans call it, we are for all practical purposes a Mexican state. Oh sure, we still have the old beaches that a few European-American kids and others go surfing to,etc. We have the Disney Concert Hall in downtown Mexico city, uh, I MEAN LOS ANGELES, the Staples center, for sports,etc.but, it’s all just a facade, in the midst of it all, a kind of Potemkin village, that people mistake for the Los Angeles it used to be, which is the same that could be said about the whole state of California.

    This unconcernedness by European-Americans, regarding the transformation of their whole nation is mindboggling. In state after state, excuses are made by politicians who always take the side of foreign nationals that have never had permission to be here, and too many European-Americans, go along with them for various reasons,(exploiting “cheap” labor, laziness, leftist lunacy,etc.) instead of immediately ending the careers of these useless and corrosive “representatives”. So when you talk about European-Americans and others not wanting to do the hard work that secession would take, even you are getting ahead of yourself, since as I’ve pointed out on just one major issue(illegal immigration and even legal immigration) European-Americans, who are still the majority and could end the transformation of their nation, will hardly get involved,etc. I’ve noticed that even on this forum and others, most Americans don’t even get too excited when it comes to the very phenomenon that is, “electing a new people”etc.

  502. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    December 2, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    A constitution that binds non-consenting parties? Good luck trying to rationalize that.

  503. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    December 2, 2012 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    @John-Joseph:Saintclair: You nailed it John. Despite all of the damage the left has done to European-Americans, and the country itself, stupid, clueless and moronic “conservatives”, still follow the lefts(communists) lead and refer to the things they don’t like happening in the U.S. as Nazism. You couldn’t be more stupidly clueless. One system focused on the “folk”, the other on “internationalism” and wasn’t very concerned about Russians at all.

  504. Annis's Gravatar Annis
    December 2, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Any state that secedes will still have newspapers that are controlled by jews. My local paper has a muslim columnist and a Mexican one, but any opposition to their proposals for more immigrants like them are censored.

    So what should be done about jew controlled media? jew controlled tv programing and movies, music and textbooks?

  505. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    December 2, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.: Patriotism is love of one’s country, not love of its government. To speak plainly, why do you effectively redefine patriotism downward by equating it with this doomed-from-the-outset constitutional system? I just can’t buy this analysis, and I won’t.

    One of the greatest of the Founding Fathers, George Mason, not I, was to my knowledge the first to describe the Constitution as I just did above. He deemed the constitutional system the end of freedom on these shores. It was, he thought and wrote, simply a matter of time before Washington (whom Mason, like every other man of sense, revered, of course) gave way to Bush II and Obama (you know what I mean).

    Since the legal transformation of the federal republic into a unitary state was accomplished with the three postbellum amendments, I think it’s actually something of a wonder that major remnants of freedom survived till the Wilson administration and bits and pieces endured till FDR and his Red/Jewish cohorts all but ended this latter-day equivalent of the post-Julius Caesar Roman fiction that republican forms were meant for anything but show.

    When gay marriage is either formally federalized or becomes the law in all fifty states, if need be at the point of Tribally financed gun, what will be left of even the fig leaf of state sovereignty? Driver’s licenses? The right to beg off daylight savings time? I all seriousness, do you think it truly amounts to more?

    I write none of the foregoing in anger or disdain. I simply am not ready to resign myself to being described as something other than a patriot because I agree with George Mason and, like him, would rather be living under the Articles of Confederation. (In truth, I am surprised that you have in effect insisted that I am such.) A national system of governance that leaves a clear majority of its citizens powerless and, what is more, leaves the overwhelming majority of those citizens descended from the several peoples that carved this country out of an inhospitable continent at the mercy of parasitic Jews and their chosen instruments of our destruction has lost any moral claim on their loyalty.

    I certainly do not dispute the power of the U.S. government and its various instrumentalities. They are imposing embodiments of what Washington said all government was about—force. Still, I fail to see how anything but resigned acceptance of that force and of the brutes both behind and in front of it can in justice be demanded of me or anyone else.

    What the Church calls “religious submission of the intellect and will” applies only to religious matters. I don’t believe anyone has the right to demand it of me with regard to the hollowed-out forms of secular “democracy.” That Washington and Adams and Jefferson knew they weren’t God or even demigods distinguishes them in kind from Obama, Bush, and every degenerate little version of Anthony Wiener now infesting the corridors of American power.

    Like you, I hold out little if any hope for a second “revolution within the forms,” of the sort that handed this country over to its enemies, but I will applaud the actions of any man who attempts to do so, whatever manufactured laws he breaks in the process, as long as he adheres to the natural law written in every man’s heart (let Pierce, Luke, mark, and fender scream as they may to the contrary over these words).

  506. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 2, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    I understand and share your view that any change involves risk and danger. I suppose it becomes a question of where one draws the line. It seems to me that our adherence to the Constitution has long been degraded far beyond imperfection.

    As always, a good lawyer will counsel caution, but I fear we have been fat and happy for too long. Better the devil you know can lead to some truly hellish outcomes.

  507. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I merely wish to call spades spades, Alice, and to have them acknowledge that they are, in fact, spades. Revolutions replace something with something else, the latter being revolutionary vis-a-vis what has been replaced. I am against replacing the Constitution itself– even though I myself was talking about the United States’ peaceably disassembling, some thirty years ago, when I was a law student! I do not wish to revert to a monarchy, whether constitutional or by (alleged) Divine Right. I do not wish to live under a theocracy, whether one of Papists or Anti-Papists. I do not wish to live in a totalitarian state, whether neo-fascist or neo-bolshevik (although, neither would allow me to do so, for very long, I am quite sanguine). So, yes, I am against any revolution against the United States, while it still is subject to the Constitution, as it is currently, albeit imperfectly, written. If and when that Constitution itself is so altered as to become inimical to the very Constitutional Republic that my own American forefathers instituted, late in the 18th Century, then I will be willing to take up arms against whichever despots have rendered it thusly inimical to liberty. I still would be as fully aware of the unfortunate outcomes of both the French and the (White) Russian Revolutions, however, as I am of my own country’s more fortunate fate….

  508. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 2, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    I am surprised to hear you use the term revolutionary as a negative. Don’t we both pride ourselves on our revolutionary ancestors? Jefferson warned us that we might need to have a revolution every now and again.

    “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? ”

    I quite agree that many have silly statements about banning everyone who does not have the precisely perfect shade of green eyes. I have faith that a simple reset to honest freedom would cause many to relocate. I do not understand those who hold that Puerto Ricans have the right to decide by vote if they want to join the USA but we don’t have the right to vote ourselves out.

    As for those who might join us – who really knows how numerous they are? I was heartened to hear a man in his twenties, who certainly would not self identify as a WN, comment on the WSJ articles on the racist nature of democrats, as those who are smart enough to read the writing on the wall, and want to be among the earliest to get ahead of the trend. I live in hope. what other option have we?

  509. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    December 2, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    When Thomas Jefferson decided to push back against Washington-Hamilton-Adams faction he did two things.

    He got his friends & allies to propose & pass laws in the various state legislatures that contradicted federal law. Making it a case of who had the authority, the state or the federal government.

    The second thing he did was to encourage his friends & political allies to set up Jeffersonian/Republican newspapers in all of the states.

    Down the road these two moves by Jefferson led to his election, and further down the road they served as a lead up to the nullification & secession movements.

    Personally, I think this Secession thing is putting the cart before the horse. It’s fun to talk about, but, like anything in real world politics it takes hard work and involvement that most people don’t want to undertake.

  510. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    P.P.S. I also should have addressed, above, the issue of state referenda on secession. Mea culpa! State referenda– for those states allowing them– are not capable of changing the Constitutional relationship between the sovereign states and the federal government. Any state referendum that, for instance, sought to assert a state’s alleged right to have its own immigration policy would be immediately enjoined, and then ultimately ruled unconstitutional– by both that state’s own courts, and then the federal courts, up to and including the Supreme Court of the United States (if such an appeal ever reached that far).

  511. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I agree with you, Alice. The problem is that the system of government that the Founding Fathers bequeathed to us has been perverted– mostly in practice, rather than by actual changes to our governing document itself. That is what needs to be strongly corrected. Those here who want a system of government wholly different from what the Founders conceived of are not patriots; they are revolutionaries. I, for one, believe that the Founders largely got it right; I would like the Constitution to be used to set matters straight, again. Those here who want to live in a fascist state, or under a theocracy, or subject to a monarchy, are entitled to their opinions. They are not entitled, however, to be believed when they claim to be wanting to reclaim America’s original purpose and promise. The Founders established a Constitutional Republic, with dual sovereignty (triple, counting the Indian Nations), and checks and balances. So, again, those who want to live under some other system of government are not real American patriots; they are revolutionaries. They should have the guts to admit what they are and what they want. Regardless, they are all delusional if they believe that any appreciable fraction of White America is willing to deport all non-Whites (along with countless Whites who, as you yourself have noted, many times herein, would be the “wrong types” of Whites for our would-be new “White Nationalist” rulers), and strip them of their American citizenship; or else, intern them all “for the duration;” or, simply exterminate them “with extreme prejudice!”

  512. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    December 2, 2012 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    @D. K.:
    I do not loathe constitutional government. I loathe the sad distortion of it under which we live today. Simply returning to equality before the law rather than the current system which favors some based on sex, sexual preference or skin tone, would be a huge improvement. We are ruled by those whose vote can be bought cheaply because they are unable to order their own lives but are presumed to know how to run the country.

  513. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Pat Buchanan wrote:


    “The West is decomposing.

    “British Tories seek to cut ties to the European Union. Scots want to leave Britain. Catalans vote to divorce from Spain, to which they have been wedded since the 15th century. Flemish talk of leaving Walloons behind in Belgium. Northern Europeans are weary of carrying their profligate southern brethren and muse about cutting Greece adrift and letting it float out into the Mediterranean.

    “And Americans are already seceding from one another—ethnically, culturally, politically. Middle-class folks flee high-tax California, as Third World immigrants, legal and illegal, pour in to partake of the cornucopia of social welfare benefits the Golden Land dispenses.

    “High-tax states like New York now send tens of thousands of pension checks to Empire State retirees in tax-free Florida. Communities of seniors are rising that look like replicas of the suburbs of the 1950s. People gravitate toward their own kind. Call it divorce, American-style.”


    You are guilty of plagiarism, Mr. Dodgson, by making it seem (through simple incompetence, rather than premeditated intellectual dishonesty, I will assume) as if only the second of those four paragraphs, above, were being quoted from his recent article.

  514. D. K.'s Gravatar D. K.
    December 2, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    If any sovereign state ever again tries to secede from the Union, it will not be because of some “White Nationalist” majority’s demanding it of that state. The vast majority of Whites– including the vast majority of those who would favor their own state’s secession– does not favor “White Nationalism” (meaning the elimination of all non-Whites from their own states), and would find the very prospect of using the force of law, let alone the force of arms, to bring about such a “racially pure” state to be anathema. The vast majority simply wants to stop any further degradation of their country through mass immigration and multiculturalism. The overwhelming majority of Whites does not want to be seen as– let alone to act like– neo-Nazis. If you think that there is some hidden majority, now, of “White Nationalists” among White Americans– even among just conservative ones– you are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

    The states are sovereign entities, with constitutions and governments of their own. They, respectively, would need to attempt to secede from the Union, lawfully. There is no legal basis for a national referendum on anything, let alone on secession. (There is a provision for a Constitutional convention; but, that would merely put forth amendments that the states still would need to ratify.) The Founding Fathers, thank goodness, loathed direct democracy. If you, in turn, loath American Constitutional government, there is a very readily available solution open to you: leave!

  515. December 2, 2012 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Is there any chance of The United (Zionist) Soviet of America as the most reviled and hated country on the planet seceding from the rest of the world?
    The United (Zionist) Soviet of America won’t be missed, I promise you.
    The best path for ordinary Americans is for individual states to secede from the The United (Zionist) Soviet of America and become independent and self financing states along the lines of National Socialism. Do any Americans know what National Socialism is?
    The eventual breakup of The United (Zionist) Soviet of America is necessarily a social and political schism that reflects a psychological schism: polarised psychosis/fragmentation that is common currency in The United Zionist Soviet of America. The United (Zionist) Soviet of America is unreformable and an existential threat to the whole of humanity and the entire world.
    The West (Europa) is not decomposing as such, it is rather fragmenting because the EU is politically the EUSSR which was imposed upon Europeans following the establishment of the Common Market which morphed into the EUSSR as the Socialist Soviet Union of Europe, in much the same way that America became The United Soviet of America following the establishment of the Zionist Federal Reserve and the eventual appointment of the autocrat communist Franklin Delano Rosso-Campo Rosenfeld; all of which was implemented under the very noses of ordinary Americans without suspecting for a moment that the Republic was transformed into The United (Zionist)Soviet of America which it remains to this day.
    The author:Michael Collins Piper refers to America as: Trotskyite Communist America and he is one of few Americans who acknowledge that America is: Soviet Communist America, and those idiots in The United Soviet of America who refer to America as a Fascist country should incorporate revision into their daily lives and study the factual difference between National Socialism and the political ideology of Marxist Zionist Bolshevik Communism which is the most murderous ideology in world history.
    It is no accident that Obama is a Trotskyite Communist and that Gulag America is becoming the USSR of the 21st century.
    Pardon me for asking:How are the FEMA camps progressing? Perhaps I should ask Obama!!!
    Can The United Soviet of America destroy itself before it destroys humanity and the world?


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