The Ukrainian Conflict: A Ukrainian Nationalist View, Part 2: The Maidan and Yanukovych

Pavlo Khomenko


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Part 1

The Maidan and Yanukovych

In February 2010, Viktor Yanukovych became the president of Ukraine after defeating Yulia Tymoshenko in the second round of elections. (In Ukraine, if no candidate gains over 50% of the vote in the first round, the two leaders go into a one-on-one second round). Yanukovych obtained 48% of the vote, versus 45% for Tymoshenko.

The close relations of Tymoshenko and Vladimir Putin are well known in Ukraine. In fact, Tymoshenko’s imprisonment — which was one of the few deeds of the Yanukovych regime that the vast majority of Ukrainians, and especially Ukrainian nationalists supported — was vehemently opposed by not only the West, but Russia as well. It was Tymoshenko that essentially sold out Ukraine to Russia with highly corrupt gas-deals while she was prime-minister — actually one of the reasons she was sent to prison. It was because of these deals that nationalists urged voting against both candidates leading up to the elections in 2010.

Overall, the most influential oligarchs in Ukraine supported Yanukovych — often the deciding factor in Ukrainian elections. It’s worth also noting that, indeed, Eastern Ukraine gave Yanukovych an absolute majority, whereas Tymoshenko gained the support of the vast majority of western Ukraine (despite being herself a Russian-speaker from Eastern Ukraine). This is largely due not to separate views on Ukraine but internal battles between oligarchs, who largely control media and business in their respective regions. In both regions, the oligarchs are usually not ethnic Ukrainian, nor ethnic Russian, and quite often switch sides, but that is another topic for another day.

Indeed, on the most important internal questions that the Western and Russian media claim “divide” Ukraine, we see strong national unity.

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For instance, in terms of making Russian a second state language, only 4% of the population views this as an important problem, while only 28% supportthe initiative. Of the 28% who support the initiative, again, we see division on ethnic lines, with the vast majority of ethnic Russians supporting the initiative, with the vast majority of ethnic Ukrainians opposing it.

Making Russian a second state language was, indeed, one of the election promises of Victor Yanukovych. It should be mentioned, however, that it was only one of many; and by no means did support for him indicate support for such an initiative any more than support by Muslims in France for François Hollande indicate their support for Hollande’s anti-family, pro-homosexual agenda. In the end, the law passed by the parliament under Yanukovych was lobbied most heavily by the Communists: giving so-called “regional status” to all languages in all areas where at least 10% of the population does not speak Ukrainian as their native language. This touched not only Russian, but Hungarian, Romanian, and in some cases potentially even English. It is obvious that the goal of such a law was to reverse the re-Ukrainianization tendencies taking part throughout all of Ukraine and promote multiculturalism. It was the immediate revoking of this law after the Yanukovych government fell that caused the Russian Federation to talk of “oppression of Russians in Ukraine,” despite Russia having nothing similar for any of its national minorities who, unlike Russians in Ukraine, do not have a motherland outside of Russia

The Yanukovych period was one of intense political corruption in which his family members illegally obtained billions of dollars of wealth. Ordinary people were terrorized by the so-called “family” (denoting Yanukovych and his close associates with their mafia) for four years in all parts of Ukraine. This period was also one of a complete selling out of Ukraine — primarily to the West. After seeing a vast improvement during the presidency of Leonid Kuchma (mid 90s–2005) and stagnation during the presidency of Victor Yushchenko (2005–2010), living conditions started to decline. By 2014, support for Yanukovych dwindled as the vast majority of the population had had enough.

Comparing Yanukvoych to Assad or Milosevic is quite inappropriate i— most of all, because Yanukovych was largely pro-Western and did nothing to protect his own population. It was his regime that allowed Israel to kidnap Hamas engineer and key political figure Dirar Abu Sisi, who had found refuge in Ukraine, and bring him back to Israel. It was Yanukovych who, for a pittance, gave America all of Ukraine’s enriched uranium and continued the destruction of the remains of Ukraine’s once powerful army. It was the regime of Yanukoych that held the first government-sanctioned gay pride parade in Ukraine, which was held in complete secrecy under intense security, yet was covered, defended and promoted afterwards by all state media and media loyal to his clan (who, unlike the population, knew where and when it was happening). It was Yanukovych and his government who most heavily lobbied to sell Ukraine out to American corporations and have Ukrainian land and ecology essentially destroyed by fracking  in search for shale gas. It was American political scientists who were hired by Yanukovych to help him gain the presidency and American lobbyists that worked for him in Washington. These are a few of many examples.

Incidentally, regarding fracking and shale gas, Russia vehemently opposes the spreading of shale gas as it is a direct threat to Gazprom. Yanukovych, his clan, and virtually all of the pro-government media in Ukraine constantly painted anyone who dared to oppose shale gas research in Ukraine as someone who was paid and hired by Gazprom. However, fracking and searching for shale gas in Ukraine was also vehemently opposed by Ukrainian nationalists. The system responded by painting Ukrainian nationalists as Russian agents. Aside from nationalists, who were most staunchly against it, the opposition also opposed it.

Regarding the first gay pride parade, it was the Berkut unit of the national police — the same unit that protestors fought during the Maidan during protests — that beat without mercy all protestors, especially nationalists, but also many older Christians, who had found out where the parade was going to be held. When one understands this, it becomes clear why many Ukrainian nationalists view those Western “nationalists” and “traditionalists” who sang odes to Berkut (one can find such groups on Facebook) as being nothing short of schizophrenic.

There is no logical reason why the West would even slightly oppose Yanukovych. He was the most loyal leader Ukraine had ever had to the West. He was more pro-Western than many leaders of countries inside the EU.

The protests on the Maidan originally started in mid-November 2013 after the Yankovych government refused to sign an association agreement with the EU at a special summit.

A few years ago, no one in Ukraine cared about the association agreement with the EU at all. The agreement was largely ignored by the vast majority of the population. Nothing was known about it. It should also be noted that this is not the same as membership; the same agreement was signed by Syria, Saudi Arabia, Israel and many other non-European countries.

This changed around a year after Yanukovych became president, when the media and Yanukovych himself started promoting the agreement as the solution to all of Ukraine’s problems. Whoever opposed it or any part of it was against Ukraine, according to its backers. Parenthetically, it was the Yanukovych government that first, under the pretext of the agreement, tried to incorporate homosexual propaganda into Ukraine’s laws — banning “discrimination against homosexuals,” as well as promoting numerous other anti-family initiatives. This was vehemently opposed by nationalists, as well as cautiously opposed by the opposition. According to propaganda spread by the media in Ukraine, however, nationalists and the opposition opposed such initiatives because they were against Ukraine’s progress and against the signing of this “holy” agreement. Thankfully, this initiative was eventually defeated after wide protest.

Needless to say, thanks to Yanukovych and his efforts, in all parts of the country support for the agreement increased. It is logical, then that there was disappointment when Yanukovych suddenly decided not to sign the agreement without any warning. (Note: it was later found out that the agreement was not signed due to extremely unfavorable conditions for certain Ukrainian industries. The government that came to power after Yanukovych also refused to sign the same agreement until those conditions were changed).

This disappointment, however, was nowhere near enough to cause mass social unrest. When news that the agreement was not signed became widely known, nothing happened in any region of the country. Many might have been disappointed, but no one really cared.

The only protest was one with perhaps a few dozen people, or maybe a hundred at most in downtown Kyiv on the Maidan. Such protests take place in Ukraine every day. The protest was not covered by the media and no one paid much attention to it.

That is, no one paid much attention until they found out that, for unknown reasons, police used extreme force to disperse the protestors. Illogical force. The protestors would have dispersed quietly in an hour or two without anyone ever knowing something took place. The next night, more people went to protest, but this time against the police. During this protest, there were more cameras present. Extreme force was again used for no apparently reason. ( Note: it was later discovered that this was because of internal fighting in Yanukovych’s clan, as the move was ordered by someone close to Yanukovych named Sergei Lyovochkin in an attempt to force the Minister of Internal Affairs into retirement.) In any case, news and videos came of young students and old pensioners being brutally beaten.

This was the final straw. The Maidan had officially started and mass opposition to the Yanukovych government had finally reached its boiling point.

Thus, the Maidan did not start as a pro-EU protest, as Russian and Western media claim, but a protest against the government and police.

Taking a step back, it’s important to understand what exactly it means to be pro-Russian or pro-EU in Ukraine, as this is extremely poorly understood from outside of the country.

Regarding the EU, it’s important to understand that being pro-EU in Ukraine has a completely different meaning than it appears from the West. In Ukraine, there are no liberal politicians in the Western sense of the word. Amongst the average person being pro-EU has absolutely no ideological connotation. I personally know people who spread the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and consider themselves traditionalists but support the EU, and very liberal people who vehemently oppose the EU. The EU in Ukraine is viewed exclusively in economic terms. Those who support the EU support it because they think that it will immediately end corruption in Ukraine, improve roads, increase wages, and in general simply make life better.

I cannot reiterate enough that in Ukraine, in terms of ideology, support for the EU means less than nothing. It is all about economics and living conditions. Many think joining the EU will indeed end corruption in Ukraine and result in better living conditions. They do not see the EU as favoring large non-White immigration and the end of a strong sense of national identity.

Being pro-Russian in Ukraine also does not have many ideologically connotations. In the direct sense of the word, usually only ethnic Russians, as well as older people who lived most of their lives in the Soviet Union, are pro-Russian. One should understand that contrary to what is sometimes claimed in the West (probably to simplify a complex reality), politicians like Yanukovych did not campaign on a pro-Russian platform, and his party does not advocate a pro-Russian platform. Rather, certain elements were added (like support for the Russian language) to garner support from this segment of society. This was quite effective. In general, pro-Russian forces in Ukraine view Ukrainian nationalists as their main enemy — not Americans, nor anything Western. This becomes evident when one looks at the conduct of this group, as described in detail below.

It should also be mentioned that being pro-Russian and pro-EU in Ukraine is far from being mutually exclusive. Quite the opposite: the regional language laws, described above and supported by pro-Russian politicians from the Communist party — laws that clearly had an anti-Ukrainian undertone —were justified as being good because “they’re like that in the EU” where multiculturalism rules.

Overall, staunchly pro-EU moods in Ukraine — meaning people who definitely want to join the EU, and are ready to argue as to exactly why (aside form just “better roads” and etc.) — are present, perhaps, in around 15% of people, and around the same percent of people can be viewed as being pro-Russian. The vast majority of the population is pro-Ukrainian, and supports this or that political party by looking not at their position on foreign policy, but on what that party will do with salaries, taxes, etc.

Returning to the Maidan, there were, of course, many different factions present. To be more correct, there were many different factions who supported the Maidan. Yanukovych and his oligarchs were seen as anti-Ukrainian — people who sold out the country and also attacked the core values of the country. Many different forces opposed this.

In Ukraine, the only group capable of easily gathering thousands of people for any protest are nationalists. Most liberal movements in Ukraine exist only on foreign grants and they are not capable of mounting protests; most Russian movements only exist on paper. Early on, nationalists decided to wholeheartedly support the protests against Yanukovych. In fact, in terms of capturing government buildings and fighting with police, the nationalists were undoubtedly at the forefront of this. From the very beginning, this gave the Maidan a very nationalistic and traditionalistic feel.

Nationalists gave out numerous leaflets and gave numerous speeches. They reached audiences that they could only have dreamed of before. Many Western nationalists, such as Lauren Ozon from France and John Morgan of Arktos Publishing, also came to speak and were enthusiastically met by protestors.

At the same time, Western agents in Ukraine saw the protests as an excellent opportunity to promote EU integration and the EU in general. They tried everything to turn the completely just hate of ordinary Ukrainians to love to the West and the EU. They had the media behind them, and also virtually every foreign language resource on the protests was formed by them. Despite their colossal efforts, nationalists still succeeded in giving the protests a completely Ukrainocentric feel.

Anyone who speaks of substantial Western help in organizing the protests simply lives in an alternate universe. The Maidan was one of the best examples of self-organization amongst people in Ukrainian history. Be it bus drivers busing people for free from the provinces; to mid-sized entrepreneurs donating money to keep the stage running; to nearby restaurants providing free food for protestors, the entire protests were completely folk run. Largely with the help of nationalists, there were vertical command structures to maintain order. Special uniforms were given out depending on the situation, be it on the central square or inside buildings. The protesters were average people; for example, many were university students who were known for being youth leaders of nationalist movements.

It should also be mentioned that, although the protests were centered  in Kyiv, there was some unrest both in the East and in the West against the government. However, the vast majority of people, thought it much better to be bused into Kyiv than to protest in the provinces. The protesters were from all over the country; one only needs to look at identification of protestors killed to confirm this. It was not one side of the country against the other, but Ukrainians from East and West against the government.

The atmosphere on the Maidan was also no less folk-oriented.

One only needs to have been on the Maidan to understand this. Far from what might be seen on Western or Russian TV, at the beginning and end of every day, Orthodox priests stood on stage and said prayers, repeated by crowds; patriotic music and movies were played non-stop; crowds chanted nationalistic slogans after virtually every single speech — a far cry from meeting the anti-nationalism promoted by the EU. True, slogans like “Ukraine is Europe” were also present, but for many they too had patriotic undertones and were understood not in the sense of liberalism, but as being a part of Europe, not the USSR.

Of course, one could say that this really means nothing, because it was not Orthodox nationalist priests who came to power. Yet it changed a population subconsciously, and made the ethnic, not political understanding of the nation widespread; it made even liberals pretend they love Ukraine and claim they want to build a Ukraine for Ukrainians. The Maidan was an explosion of civil consciousness that united Ukrainian patriotism with demands for economic and social justice.

Many Western nationalists strongly criticized the Maidan because of the fact that neo-con warmonger John McCain spoke to protestors. This was clearly evidence, according to some, that the whole thing was just a large Western conspiracy.  I must say, even for me it was quite unpleasant to see him on the Maidan. Unfortunately, notorious neocon Victoria Nuland also came for a day or two.

Yet average people were protesting a corrupt, mafia-controlled government that promoted completely anti-Christian, anti-national policies at home — a government that sold the country out to international corporations and oligarchs. People were protesting for a better life and a better future. Anyone who came would have been supported by protestors — and believe me, there were no limits. In fact, the stage on the Maidan was open for anyone to speak and indeed thousands of different people spoke.

So why did McCain come and why was he well received? I would change the question slightly. I would ask why was only John McCain smart enough to come and support the people? Where was Marine Le Pen? Where was Nick Griffin? Why didn’t they come? Why did no influential Western dissident, many of whom criticized the Maidan, tell the people on the Maidan his story? Even David Duke could have come and been well received. I repeat, that for the average Ukrainian, their presence would have been seen not from an ideological point of view, but as genuine support to an oppressed people fighting a tyrannical government — people essentially risking everything. To be quite honest, a member of the Russian government could also very well have spoken to the protestors and would have been well received. In fact, when one takes into account how much Yanukovych did to oppose Gazprom, I’m not quite sure why they didn’t. It would have massively increased Ukrainian public opinion of Russia.

McCain likely came because of the intelligence that the American establishment unfortunately has. The American establishment knew that by sending someone well-known to support an oppressed people, they could immediately influence public opinion of America. And that is what happened.

Although originally people saw visits by McCain et al. as a show of support, around January and February support for anything Western, including joining NATO or the EU, completely plummeted in Ukraine. For someone as against NATO and the EU as me, it was nothing short of a dream, albeit in horrible circumstances. People did not understand why the reaction from the West was so muted. Numerous anti-EU sites and anti-Western patriotic sites arose, and the average person mocked leading Western politicians, from Barack Obama to Jose Manuel Baroso with all of their heart. It was almost surreal how even most of the previously liberal Ukrainian media was joining in. A dream come true!

Think for yourselves —what would happen if, in the center of Damascus, 500 000 people were protesting against the government and the government responded by shooting many like dogs?

The Berkut unit, that just a few months earlier beat nationalists and Christians while defending homosexuals, this time shot protesters.

The Berkut unit, which just a few months earlier beat nationalists and Christians while defending homosexuals, this time shot protesters.

 

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Of course, there would immediately be crippling sanctions and the international community would in unison call for the government to step down. The reaction towards the Ukrainian government was quite the opposite. Not only were absolutely no real sanctions imposed, and, although there were calls for political concessions, there was not a single call for Yanukovych to step down, and many Western officials reiterated that Yanukovych is the lawful president of Ukraine and even said he is the one who has to lead Ukraine out of the crisis. Why do so many Western governments see Bashar Assad as not the lawful president of Syria, as a criminal who must be overthrown, but that was not the case with Yanukovych? What is the difference?

How can anyone, after understanding this, view overthrowing Yanukovych as being even remotely similar to overthrowing Milosevic or the war against Assad?

However, when the revolution succeeded, it seemed that a bright future was ahead: nationalists had an enormous amount of support in society; but most important was that society was mobilized around nationalists. The average person learned how to fight and wanted to fight. Nationalist slogans united with economic and social demands in a classic recipe that Europe first saw during the mid-half of the 20th century. Hundreds of thousands of angry people had anti-oligarch and largely anti-capitalist attitudes, combined with nationalist sentiments. And they were able to overthrow the government. These are people who lost all hope and trust in anything related to the EU or NATO.

What could have been better? Surely, there would be a revolution?  If not a revolution, then at least a Hezbollah-type force would be created in Ukraine — a state within a state based on cultural values and with mass support, a force that prepared for future resistance against the anti-national state?

This all seemed very possible. Yet sadly, soon after, an event happened that changed everything.

Go to Part 3.

 

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19 Comments to "The Ukrainian Conflict: A Ukrainian Nationalist View, Part 2: The Maidan and Yanukovych"

  1. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 10, 2014 - 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Well, this pavlo khomenko is still young guy-typical representative of russophobic generation after 1991. Unfortunately his (and many others young ukranians) mindset is product of school education, teaching that there were some “ancient ukrs”, that lived 140 thousands years ago and gave birth to all humanity (european at least) and that all indoeuropean languages, sanskrit and latin included, that ukranians are paragon of all virtues endlessly suffering from evil Russians, that existence of Ukraine is not possible without complete destruction of Russia, etc. etc. when khomenko tells that Russia is 30 years behind the US in social/mass culture development is might be not auite correct-it seems that not 30, but – around 20-fashion coma to russia around 20 years later, but in my opinion not because backwardness of Russia-jusy because fashion and popular tastes are changing each 20 years (average generation exchange rate) so, what is not useful in West anymore they sent to East-e.g. Rusdia and other countries. Same was in USSR times. In 1970 were popular music and clothing of late 1950-early 1960 and so on. But problem is that ukranian fashion is even more retarded! Instead of 20 years of delay they are feeding now on 1930-1940! Specially young persons! Icredible, but true! It will inevitable produce many personal catastrophes and social fails as well. Such a pity for Ukraine!

  2. June 10, 2014 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Hey Mr. Yankovoy,

    To be brief, you are completely wrong. Ukrainian nationalism as an ideology of creating a Ukrainian state in modern borders was created largely by eastern Ukrainians like Taras Shevchenko etc; and as a political anti-liberal ideology it was also created largely by eastern Ukrainians like Dmytro Dontsov, Mykola Mikhnovsky, etc. Of course, western Ukrainians had a presence too; but Ukrainian nationalists never thought of the different regions of Ukraine as somehow different. For instance, the leader of the nationalist Right Sector movement, Yarosh, is from eastern Ukraine; where as the leader of the nationalist party Svoboda, Tyahnybok, is from western Ukraine. Personally, I myself am not from western Ukraine either, nor am I Galician. That Ukrainian nationalism = western Ukraine is a complete myth far from reality.

    Best regards,

    Pavlo

  3. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 10, 2014 - 3:12 am | Permalink

    Someday,
    i see your point, but the reason why Putin is opposed to manifestations of radical nationalisms (including and may be first of all-Russian one) it is because of fear, that it might unleash multiple radical nationalisms in the country of more than 100 nations-Russia of course and ultimately desintegrate the state.

    Take away intervals and see it by yourself:
    acts of Galitzians like “khomenko” in Odessa one month ago:
    h t t p : / / e r s i e e s i s t . l i v e j o u r n a l. c o m / 8 1 3 . h t m l

  4. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 10, 2014 - 3:07 am | Permalink

    Brilliant comments, Mike Yankovoy! Congratulations!
    PS Curmudgeon-same good wishes to you!

    Highly recommended to see acts of Galitzians like “khomenko” by yourselves:
    h t t p : / / e r s i e e s i s t . l i v e j o u r n a l. c o m / 8 1 3 .h t m l

  5. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 10, 2014 - 3:02 am | Permalink

    h t t p : / / e r s i e e s i s t . l i v e j o u r n a l. c o m / 8 1 3 .h t m l

  6. Johnman's Gravatar Johnman
    June 9, 2014 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Comments are finally open! I was starting to think it orwellian to keep displaying “comments are closed” when comments were closed on every single article for months.

  7. Rosa's Gravatar Rosa
    June 9, 2014 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Why close the comments on Part 3?
    Hasbara fear?
    Rosa

  8. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 9, 2014 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Most liberal movements in Ukraine exist only on foreign grants and they are not capable of mounting protests; most Russian movements only exist on paper

    Every separatist movement on earth is actually sustained by safe havens and arms supplied by a neighbouring country. It’s a very economical way to cause trouble for neighbouring states. There is no question Russia is deploying that tactic against Ukraine only because NATO tried to detach Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence.

    Ukrainian nationalism has a lot of advantages If there was a nationalist upsurge among Ukrainians that overthrew a government in thrall to a foreign state (Russia) and Ukraine is as united as Pavlo Khomenko says, then the lesson seems to be that nationalism isn’t all that robust, because it can be so easily quashed by state forces working at the behest of foreign and international interests. All states are concerned with building up their strength, but that is often a very different thing to nationalism.

    Its clear Putin is no more a slavic Russian ethnic nationalist than the US or EC are :

    Migration processes play significant role in socioeconomic and demographic development of Russian Federation. During last two decades migration compensated for more than a half of natural decline in population. Permanent settling of migrants in Russian Federation becomes a source of population growth in the country in general and in the regions, whereas procurement of foreign labor of prioritized professions and qualifications required by Russian economy is necessary for its progressive development.

    The challenge for nationalists is to show that their objectives are compatible with those of their state.

  9. Mike Yankovoy's Gravatar Mike Yankovoy
    June 9, 2014 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    Dear Curmudgeon

    I think you will find that most if not all Canadian Ukrainians are from Galicia.
    Galicia was part of Poland or the Austro-Hungarian empire until 1940. Only then did it become part of the Soviet Union. the rest of Ukraine was part of Russia for centuries. the Galicians (Halych) have always been nationalistic. they in effect created Ukrainian nationalism, despite not really being Ukrainians.

  10. June 8, 2014 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    I live in a Canadian city, and grew up, with significant populations of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations of Ukrainians and Mennonites. The Mennonites were originally of Dutch/German descent, but moved to Ukraine to escape religious persecution. Both groups were sought out by the Canadian government in the 19th century to farm the undeveloped Canadian West. These Ukrainians cross all political lines, and hane always been extremely nationalistic.
    In the current situation the sentiment expressed by virtually all of “leaders”, many of whom visit Ukraine on a regular basis, is one that is best described as Russophobia. “Russians” are still “the communists”. It doesn’t matter that Russia is less communist than we are, or that Putin has stated that Ukraine should be whole. It doesn’t matter that, other than Crimea, the independence votes were autonomy votes, not votes to join Russia. The author is less than candid on this matter.
    It is true that Yanukovich was corrupt, as were all of his predecessors and more, including Tymoschenko. While protesting corruption is entirely legitimate, it is simply not credible to suggest that the protesters were self organizing. There were admissions by protesters that they were being paid to attend. Nuland’s $5bn was used to buy more than cookies.

    All that aside, the reality is that the Russian offer to keep Ukraine afloat with discounted gas prices and loans was an infinitely better deal for real Nationalists, who would be opposed to greater foreign ownership, than the EU deal.
    The references to fascists and Nazis is, of course, specious. Both of these movements were nationalist movements. The benefits were to be for national industries and its own workers, not foreign owned industries for the benefit of non-citizens. The current regime is hell bent on turning Ukraine’s industry and natural resources over to foreigners. There isn’t a real nationalist, economic or otherwise, among them. It is the regions seeking autonomy that are the nationalists.

  11. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 8, 2014 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Radosław Sikorski said Yanukovych paid an inflated price for Russian gas, but he also says that Poland is being overcharged for Russian gas. And he wants the West to supply Poland with cheap shale gas if the Russian won’t drop their price. The EU is apparently seen as a cash cow.

    In March, Latvian President Andris Berzins said that if massive emigration from his country does not stop, its independence will be in doubt 10 years from now. The same could be said of Estonia and Lithuania.

    Going by the exodus from Latvia Lithuania and Poland , the main thing east Europeans want is to leave their country, and preferably for the West. I suspect most Ukrainians’ cultural values and mass support for an EU friendly orientation of their country is based on what they know about the wealth and generosity of the West.

  12. Rosa's Gravatar Rosa
    June 8, 2014 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    When one reads about History of Eastern Europe, one is amazed by the intricacies, the turns of stories, the tribal battles, the ethnic hates, between Poles and Russians, Ukrainians and Poles, all agianst Jews, Jews against these or those, Mongols, Tatars, Kossacks, and so on and so forth, that one thinks: let ‘em alone, let ‘em fighting and solving their quarrels by themselves, stay as much afar as possible.
    The Yugoslav war would have taught to UE and USA that Eastern ex communist countries are cans of worms, full of rage and savagery and unsettled questions dating back centuries.
    The only positive thing coming from there is an impulse to reassess XX century European history and so to understand all the lies fed us in these years.
    Rosa

  13. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, this is correct link to the picture of ” bowing in front the boss-interim “president” of Ukraine Turchinov and self-confessed “zionist” employed as vice-president if US and one of the handler of ukranian coup derat Joe Biden.
    http://www.ekhoplanet.ru/UserFiles/News/NewsAll/e0e5a153-6804-4afa-93c6-fa958bdb2c83.jpg
    By the way son of Biden now is on the board of “ukranian” e.g. Zionist owned gaz company “burisma” -main gaz fuelds are in Slavyansk, where ukranian army is crushing villages and towns with help of airforce, tanks and heavy artillery

  14. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Hadrian comment is good! Not sure however about “Russia completely controlled by jews” i guess it is not true because 1) the hate of Putin Russia from the ” international community of the united visitors of synagogues” is overwhelming. 2) no doubt Putin gave many concessions to the jews in Russia but he still is not their puppet as Western politician. 3) Main opponents if zionist entity (Syria and Iran) are still alive and resisting due to Putin (and of course american people) stance against US war on these countries.

  15. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 12:37 pm | Permalink

    In january-february 2014 when “ukranian nationalists” were burning alive and chopping out hands of the unarmed policemen on the streets of Kiev (see pictures here: http://crimeavector.com.ua/uploads/posts/2014-03/1394549934_thumbnail-20140121102717n.jpg
    http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/original/Jan2014/383928153.jpg
    http://trinixy.ru/uploads/posts/comm_images/1392760999_1392711703-8864-samooborona-maydan.jpg
    http://slon.ru/images3/213/1000000/464/1048407.jpg?1390638842
    http://cs313621.vk.me/v313621878/a1dd/Cy2eZG2f9Bk.jpg
    Videos here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OlLadygLQc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPpnPgww6w
    http://youtu.be/ooTFfxfLMrY
    And incomplete list of crimes commited by “Ukranian nationalists ” on “Maidan-2″ here
    http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8/$FILE/White%20Book.pdf Secretary of state of US John Kogan/Kerry and “self proclaimed zionist” employed as a vice-president of the US Joe Biden called every day to lawful President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich forbidding him to use any force to resist “these peaceful protesters”. Now, when all Ukranian Army with support of airforce and heavy artillery is crushing villages and cities of Donbass under the orders of illegally installed jewish “president” Valtzman/Poroshenko there is no sound of concern from the Washington or EU. What a SHAME!

    P.S. A picture is worth thousand words. “Zionist” Joe Biden giving instructions to new zionist-imposed rulers of Ukraine in parliament building in Kiev: http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/3/9/3135938.jpg
    Bowing in front of the boss-temporary “president of ukraine Turchinov in front of “selfconfessed zionist” Joe Biden in Kiev http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/04/24/6/1398325834_1349322152.jpg
    See it by yourself who is in charge in the country of Ukraine (left) and Russia (right)
    http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/04/24/6/1398325834_1349322152.jpg

  16. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    In january-february 2014 when “ukranian nationalists” were burning alive and chopping out hands of the unarmed policemen on the streets of Kiev (see pictures here: http://crimeavector.com.ua/uploads/posts/2014-03/1394549934_thumbnail-20140121102717n.jpg
    http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/original/Jan2014/383928153.jpg
    http://trinixy.ru/uploads/posts/comm_images/1392760999_1392711703-8864-samooborona-maydan.jpg
    http://slon.ru/images3/213/1000000/464/1048407.jpg?1390638842
    http://cs313621.vk.me/v313621878/a1dd/Cy2eZG2f9Bk.jpg
    Videos here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OlLadygLQc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPpnPgww6w
    http://youtu.be/ooTFfxfLMrY
    And incomplete list of crimes commited by “Ukranian nationalists ” on “Maidan-2″ here
    http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8/$FILE/White%20Book.pdfSecretary of state of US John Kogan/Kerry and “self proclaimed zionist” employed as a vice-president of the US Joe Biden called every day to lawful President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich forbidding him to use any force to resist “these peaceful protesters”. Now, when all Ukranian Army with support of airforce and heavy artillery is crushing villages and cities of Donbass under the orders of illegally installed ” president” Valtzman/Poroshenko there is no sound of concern from the Washington or EU. What a SHAME!

    P.S. A picture is worth thousand words. “Zionist” Joe Biden giving instructions to new zionist-imposed rulers of Ukraine in parliament building in Kiev: http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/3/9/3135938.jpg
    Bowing in front of the boss-temporary “president of ukraine Turchinov in front of “selfconfessed zionist” Joe Biden in Kiev http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/04/24/6/1398325834_1349322152.jpg
    See it by yourself who is in charge in the country of Ukraine (left) and Russia (right)
    http://s4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2014/04/24/6/1398325834_1349322152.jpg

  17. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 11:31 am | Permalink

    Well, after reading this “opus” I can tell that, in my opinion (of the person who knows Ukrainian situation first-handidly), this second part of “ukranian nationalists view” consists of even more delusional mix of nonsenses transformed in the fantastic picture in the mind of writer than part #1. Practically each argument is turned upside down and each fact is interpreted in such way to suit authors worldview. To be short is is all made up (in my opinion, of course). Specially funny was question of author “Why Victoria Nudelman/nuland and Jonh “insane” Mccain came to Maidan-2 in numerous occasions and David Duke and Marine Le Pen didnt?” I did laugh wholeheartidly on this one! How David Duke specialist in history on “Russian revolution” of 1917, who did his PhD in Kiev in 2004 can possibly come to jews sponsored coup d’etat in 2014! Well, other, ideas of this article is not less nonsenses that reflects distorted view of reality. However, article is interesting as a proof that mindset of a person is not rigid it can be changed and transformed by informational and ideological milieu, even if this ambient is artificial and do not reflect the reality. Unfortunately, such informational conditioning take place in minds of many persons in Ukraine now and inevitably will produce a harsh hangover from all this long period of informational poisoning. Such a pity for people of Ukraine! Specially, young ones whose life are just used by oligarch like benia kolomoyskiy even now loosing their lives in brutal military operation in Donbass against people of Ukraine! By the way jewish trade of internal organs is flourishing on the hundreds of bodies of this young healthy Ukranian boys that are killed everyday in this war with their own kind!

  18. Askold's Gravatar Askold
    June 8, 2014 - 11:27 am | Permalink

    Well, after reading this “opus” I can tell that, in my opinion (of the person who knows Ukrainian situation first-handidly), this second part of “ukranian nationalists view” consists of even more delusional mix of nonsenses transformed in the fantastic picture in the mind of writer than part #1. Practically each argument is turned upside down and each fact is interpreted in such way to suit authors worldview. To be shirt is all made up (in my opinion, of course). Specially funny was question of author “Why Victoria Nudelman/nuland and Jonh “insane” Mccain came to Maidan-2 in numerous occasions and David Duke and Marine Le Pen didnt! I did laugh wholeheartidly on this one! How David Duke specialist in history on “Russian revolution” of 1917, who did his PhD in Kiev in 2004 can possibly come to jews sponsored coup d’etat in 2014! Well, other, ideas of this article is not less nonsenses that reflects distorted view of reality. However, article is interesting as a proof that mindset of a person is not rigid it can be changed and transformed by informational and ideological milieu, even if this ambient is artificial and do not reflect the reality. Unfortunately, such informational conditioning take place in minds of many persons in Ukraine now and inevitably will produce a harsh hangover from all this long period of informational poisoning. Such a pity for people of Ukraine! Specially, young ones whose life are just used by oligarch like benia kolomoyskiy even now loosinf their lives in brutal military operation in Donbass against people of Ukraine! By the way jewish trade of internal organs is flourishing on the hundreds of bodies of this healthy Ukranian boys that are killed everyday in this war with their own kind!

  19. Hadrian's Gravatar Hadrian
    June 8, 2014 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    This Khomenko person is obviously one of Ukraine’s kosher “nationalists.” Jews are never mentioned in this article even though they now play a central role in the new government, just as they did during the Holodomor. Ukrainians should be horrified at the thought of being under the thumb of Jewry. It’s clear that Jews used well-meaning but dim-witted and short-sighted Ukrainian nationalists to place Jews in power, after those Jews promised to free Ukraine of “Russian” influence (Russia is also completely controlled by Jews).

    The author says things like “Ukrainians are only concerned about the economy, they aren’t worried about the EU’s racial policies.” Well Ukrainians SHOULD be worried about the EU’s racial policies, because if they do become part of the EU, the EU will do what it was designed to do: to destroy national sovereignty and flood the nation with non-Whites. What Ukrainians think will be irrelevant at that point. Where do Ukrainians come off thinking that they have any kind of power to decide what the EU will do to them if they give themselves over to Brussels? Are they that dumb?

    Unfortunately this article is proof that the Ukrainians are not thinking straight. They seem to think that they’re calling the shots, but they aren’t. Jews are calling the shots, they’re defining what Ukraine is, they’re framing the conflict, they’re the ones benefitting, and Ukrainians are stupidly dancing to their tune. You would think that a people who suffered so horribly under Judeo-Communism, and still suffer horribly due to the Jewish mafia and Israeli sex slavery/mass rape, that they’d be on to the Jews by now. Unfortunately the stereotype of Ukrainians being mentally dull seems to be true.

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