Reconciliation is a two-way street but the Bosnian Muslims don’t seem to agree — they nearly tore the Serbian prime minister apart at the weekend when he attempted to pay his respects to those killed in Srebrenica in the civil war.
But there is always an upside, and the Srebernica massacre is paying dividends for Europe’s ruling elites two decades later. For in the cultural war, new ways of demonising Whites have to be continually rolled out.
Hence the gathering at Westminster Abbey last week when the British people were reminded that they too had to shoulder the burden of culpability for the massacre of Muslims in the Balkans in 1995. Former government minister Paddy Ashdown said from the lectern “We could have prevented this horror. We chose not to.”
Who does he mean by “we”? That brutal Bosnian civil war was not short of atrocities on both sides. And what has that got to do with ordinary British people?
One reason is that British Muslims need to have a “holocaust” of their own, and this one fits the bill perfectly. Despite the unlikelihood of most British/ Pakistani Muslims being able to find Bosnia on a map, it will help them burnish their victimhood credentials.
Of course there are no shortage of massacres of Muslims in the world but they are usually carried out by other Muslims or Israelis and therefore not fit for purpose. This one was carried out by Whites and is much more useful.
To ram this message home, live BBC programmes have been broadcasting local commemorative events across Britain with special emphasis on towns with large Islamic populations such as Oldham, Burnley, Blackburn Northampton and Rochdale which, curiously enough, are also among the towns plagued by the worst cases of Muslim child sex abuse rings.
With a Downing Street reception, Royal visit, church services in the Scottish and Welsh capitals, nobody could accuse the government of not doing enough to mark the occasion. Celebrity supporters include prominent Speaker of House of Commons John Bercow, and actor Simon Callow. Baroness Doreen Lawrence, mother of the martyred Stephen, lent her name. Even Angelina Jolie has been roped in.
It is also a big payday for the booming international genocide industry with conferences at the University of London and in Washington at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
In London the Wiener Library for the Study of Genocide and Holocaust will be the venue for the “multi-faith” launch of new charity, Remembering Srebrenica which will be spending £1 million of taxpayers money sending hundreds of British kids to Bosnia every year to remember the occasion. The charity is off to a good start with the BBC devoting a prime time television documentary to its activities.
For Dr Alexander Korb, director of the University of Leicester’s Stanley Burton Centre for Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Srebrenica had a special resonance. “What seems to be like a distant shadow of the horrors of the Holocaust, happened just 20 years ago on our doorstep, in the middle of Europe, during the Bosnian wars.
Even while the Bosnian war was going on there were those who were not slow to see the strategic advantage. Zbigniew Brzezinski used it to invoke the holocaust and said never again. In the Guardian, David Aaronovich used Srebrenica to justify the war on Iraq.
French media intellectual Bernard-Henri Levy has milked it for all its worth, comparing it to the Warsaw Ghetto. He used it as a media platform to blame France for what happened and says that the sooner Bosnia is integrated into the European Union the better. He even got a play out of it.
Prominent Jewish Holocaust survivors have beaten a path to Bosnia. They include the Academy Award winning producer of the Steven Spielberg film “Schindler’s List” and a Judge at the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia.
Much effort has gone into shackling the two “holocausts” together. Groups such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish Council for Public Affairs have led the pursuit of alleged (Serbian) war criminals. Bosnia is one of the few places that host Jewish-Muslim multi faith conferences.
It has all been helpfully spelled out in the Jewish Chronicle by prominent neocon and leader writer for The Times Oliver Kamm. In a 2012 article he wrote:
Jews have a particular interest in helping to ensure that the human costs of what followed are accurately recounted. The facts of the genocidal assault on Bosnia’s Muslims are so horrific that a cottage industry of denial has since grown up. You will find websites claiming that the number of victims of the Srebrenica massacre has been exaggerated, and that those who died were killed in combat. This material is not just the equivalent of Holocaust denial, but the same fraudulent argument. It should be recognised and named for what it is: genocide denial.
Kamm expanded on this theme this week in another article titled “Unmasking the deniers.” Apparently these ‘deniers’ are keen to defend the reputation of Serbia as a Slav champion against Western aggression:
Jewish campaigners immediately recognised in 1992 what was happening in the former Yugoslavia and appealed to the conscience of the world. Bosnia was no intractable civil war: it was a campaign of genocidal aggression launched by the Serb leader, Slobodan Milosevic. Elie Wiesel interrupted his own speech at the opening of the Holocaust Museum in Washington to implore President Clinton to protect Bosnian civilians.
Quite apart from the questionable wisdom of citing Elie Wiesel in support of any issue where truth is concerned, it does alert us to another agenda operating here; the cynical determination to use the Bosnian war to serve the promotion of the Holocaust.
Intriguingly, Kamm takes aim at the small band of left-wing Jews who have criticised the West’s bombings in the former Yugoslavia. He specifically singles out Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman — perhaps his way of disguising his own determinedly ethnic agenda.
Another dissenting journalist on Bosnia who has been targeted by neocons is a left-wing non-Jewish journalist called Mick Hume. Hume’s claims that the Srebenica is being abused for a Western agenda make interesting reading. Naturally, he is hobbled by having to pretend he is blind to the Jewish agenda at work, but his arguments still have power.
There is no doubt that Bosnian Muslims were murdered at Srebrenica. But as has been argued before on spiked, everything from the numbers involved to the circumstances of their deaths is far more open to question than the standard version of the parable might suggest (see “How did Srebrenica become a morality tale?,” by Tara McCormack). Taking these events out of their historical and political context and trying to link them to Auschwitz is about creating a morality play of good and evil rather than understanding what happened — and why.
What is a war crime? The legitimacy of the legal term ‘war crime’ is something that the war-crimes tribunal at The Hague has taken for granted, since to do otherwise would be to call its own rationale into question. Yet it is a highly questionable notion, suggesting as it does that there is a ‘good’ and ‘bad’ way to wage a war — and that the West plays by the rules. But war is not cricket. It is a violent struggle for power or survival in which there are no holds barred. To single out some acts of war as crimes makes no more sense than to suggest that other acts of war are harmless pastimes.
The idea of a war crime, dating from the trials of Nazi and Japanese leaders at the end of the Second World War, is essentially a political device used to draw a line between the wartime activities of the West and the rest. Even in the trials of the 1940s, this involved glossing over the way that the British and Americans had also bombed civilians and butchered their enemies. In the 1990s, it involved setting up the Serbs as the new Nazis, to boost the moral authority of the West and justify intervention.
Warming to his theme, Hume wonders why these critics do not question why Clinton or Blair should not be tried for their 1999 illegal war over Kosovo. He also questions the legitimacy of the international court whose appointment and legal status is far from clear.
This has nothing to do with justice or fairness, despite all the courtroom trappings. These courts are not appointed by or accountable to the peoples whose conflicts they rule on and whose fate they help to decide…
The Nazification of the Serbs was to be a self-serving means to those ends; if they were little Nazis, then ‘we’ must be little Churchills.
The Tara McCormack article referred to by Hume contextualizes the war as brutal on both sides, noting, e.g., that “On the Bosnian Muslim side, the area had been under the command of former bodyguard to Slobodan Milosevic, Nasir Oric. Even by the standards of that bitter war, Oric conducted a brutal campaign against Serbian villages in the area. Two journalists reported that they had seen Bosnian Muslim military action that included beheadings.”
There is no doubt that some of the Bosnian Muslim prisoners of war were executed in cold blood.
That murders occurred, however, does not prove genocide. The extent of the massacres has not been fully established; the figure of 8,000 murdered is not proven but an estimate made up from various lists of missing people. To date, the ICTY has identified 2,032 bodies from the 5,000 exhumed (15). While some bodies bear signs of having been killed rather than shot in battle, wounds on many bodies are consistent with battle deaths. Moreover, given that the area had been the scene of heavy fighting since 1992, it is to be expected that there were substantial casualties on both sides, and that many would have been buried in graves where they fell.
But the neocons have not had it all their own way. It was the first UN peacekeeper general in Bosnia who first expressed “serious doubts” about the Srebrenica narrative. Lewis Mackenzie drew attention to the fact that only 2,000 bodies had been recovered and that there is no mention of Bosnian Muslim commander Naser Oric.
Oric was said to have led attacks against the surrounding Serb villages that took many civilian lives. Although released by the International Criminal Court he has now been held again on a fresh war crimes warrant.
And the Guardian this week reported a growing “spirit of denial” was deepening in the Balkans.
The Bosnian Serb leader, Milorad Dodik, has become increasingly assertive in questioning the fact of the Srebrenica killings. Last month he called it “the biggest sham of the 20th century” and he has been supported by nationalists in Serbia and by Moscow, which is currently blocking a UK-sponsored UN security council resolution officially declaring the killings a genocide.
Another dissident journalist is Brendan O Neill who prefers to think that generals like Radko Mladic were a “substitute Hitler” for a bored political class. However, he is determined to ignore an ethnic agenda.
He got halfway there three years ago when he wrote:
The trial of Mladic has nothing to do with “justice for Bosnia”. It is better understood as a cut-price Nuremberg for modern moral crusaders who, lacking a Hess or a Goering, will make do with a Mladic instead. Mladic is a substitute Nazi for self-styled reincarnations of Churchill, those middle-aged bores of the liberal international media who fancy that their brave reporting from Bosnia in the mid-1990s helped to expose that Nazism was alive and well and living in the DNA of every Serb man. No mention of Mladic is complete without the deployment of Holocaust-echoing terminology, whether we’re being reminded that he is responsible for “the worst crimes in Europe since the Nazi Holocaust”, or that he is the “architect of genocide”, or that he was hellbent on cleansing, exterminating, wiping out, and so on.
What is interesting here is the use of guilt. We are morally obliged to get involved. Not to do so would be the inaction of wicked, morally compromised people. As often reiterated on TOO, appeals to the moral conscience of White people are extraordinarily effective.
So in conclusion, Srebrenica is useful for our hostile elites for three quite different reasons:
1. Srebrenica is used to reinforce the moral touchstone of Nazis murdering Jews in World War II—the ultimate holocaust. To be effective, propaganda must be constantly repeated. Srebrenica thus offers a golden opportunity to once again put the Jewish holocaust in the forefront of public consciousness and to promote the idea of Jews as the ultimate victims (after all, 8000 pales in comparison to 6,000,000).
2. Srebrenica is used to promote the ideal of a multicultural Europe that includes Muslims. Europe must do all it can to protect Muslim communities within its borders. The most revealing quote about the Balkans conflict came from General Wesley Clark, Supreme Allied Commander Europe, from 1997 to 2000. “In the modern Europe there is no room for homogenous nation states. It was an idea from the 1800s and we are going to carry [multiculturalism] through…and we are going to create multi-ethnic states.” It is highly unlikely that there would be accusations of genocide if the victims in Srebrenica were Christians.
3. Srebrenica is useful for rationalizing Western intervention in civil wars around the world. This ideology of making the world safe for democracy and human rights is tailor-made for neocons bent on intervening in wars against governments they don’t like—always exempting Israel with its horrific record of violence and oppression of the Palestinians. McCormack:
From Kosovo in 1999 to the Congo in 2005, Srebrenica is held up as conclusive proof that the West is morally obliged to intervene militarily in conflict situations. Jack Straw argued in defence of Western intervention in Macedonia in 2001, on the basis that Srebrenica showed what happened when the West was reluctant to intervene (27). Liberal commentator David Aaronovitch used the same argument to explain his support for military action in Iraq (28). When discussing the killing of 60 Congolese soldiers by UN troops, UN General Patrick Cammaert argued in favour of robust military intervention, because of ‘the lessons of Srebrenica, Somalia and Rwanda’ (29).
There is no evidence to suggest that Srebrenica represents proof of a planned campaign of genocide. Rather, the murders there should be understood in the context of a complicated civil war, which occurred as three groups fought to gain control of parts of Bosnia. The abstraction of the event from the context of a bitter and brutal war is representative of the simplification of the entire Yugoslav conflict.
Still this is unlikely to bother such statesman as the British Prime Minister who, a PR consultant at his fingertips, is unlikely to see beyond the admiring headlines it will earn him. In his statement Cameron said he was working towards a “tolerant and inclusive” Bosnia and Herzegovina as a “tribute to Srebrenica’s memory.” The nearly-lynched Serbian prime minister would no doubt have some interesting things to say on how that is going.
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@ Seraphim July 24, 2015 – 6:11 pm.
I think you missed the point. There are ahadith in which the Last Prophet (PBUH) said that the Muslims will make an alliance with “Rum” and fight against a enemy which is attacking them. (This is not talking about the verses of the Quran pertaining to the defeat of “Rum” and their soon to be victory over the Persians.)
As far as I am aware this did not occur with Byzantium and the Muslims of the past. So (if one were to accept these ahadith as true) this means that this alliance is yet to come and therefore “Rum” still exists today! At the time of Quranic revelation “Rum” was what we call Byzantium with its capital in Constantinople, now that it is a Muslim city (and unfortunately part of NATO), “Rum” is no longer there today. So the question still remains who and where is “Rum” today?
Here are a couple of videos from Sheikh Imran Hosein. They may help to explain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9rySCagGcY
I did watch some of the Sheikh videos. I gather from him that the ahadiths which do not square with the Quran have to be discarded. This is the case here.
4. Srebrenica distracts attention from mass murders in which Jews were among the perpetrators, such as the 21,000,000 east Europeans murdered by Communism and the 1,500,000 Armenians murdered by the Ottoman Empire in the 1915 genocide (or the hundreds of thousands of Armenians murdered in the 1890s, before leftism of any sort had any influence in the Ottoman Empire – explain that Mr. Collin Liddel, and Benjamin D’Israeli burn in hell)
I should have made my question clearer. Who is “Rum” TODAY? And where is it? Now that the Eastern Roman (Byzantine Empire) is no longer present (in its historic sense). The Last Prophet (PBUH) prophesied that the Muslims will make an alliance with “Rum”. I do not know of a time where Muslims and “Rum” made an alliance in the past. (Unless you can show me information to the contrary). So this alliance is still to come and this means that “Rum” is still in existence. (If, of course, one accepts the hadith as being true). So who and where is “Rum” TODAY?
You can’t make your question clearer, because the problem remains unchanged: the Quran does NOT speak of any Rum of a indeterminate future, but of its time’s “today”. The last prophet made just a prediction that the tide would turn in favor of the Romans (if he made it at all, as you seem to admit).
@Bosniaks are autochthonous to the region in general… According to modern theory formulated and expoused by 1800s Russian-Serb intellegentsia, the Serbs migrated to the Balkans around the 7-900s A.D
What if Serbs were autochtonous also? and “Russian-Serb intellegentsia” (whatever that means) got it wrong at 1800? The tradition expounded in the oldest Russian Primary Chronicle (Повѣсть времѧньныхъ лѣтъ, Pověstĭ Vremęnĭnyhŭ Lětŭ) is that the Slavs migrated from the Danubian lands northward. The story of the enormous migrations of Slavs south is a faulty historical reconstruction, which has been very much corrected today. But old habits die hard, especially when they are so useful politically (Good autochtonous Bosniaks, massacred by Bad invading Serbs – backed by the Worse Russians who want to impose “panslavism”). I’ve heard the theory that Serbs are racially different from Croatians (“the Croatians are right to do what they do to the Serbs, because their blood don’t mix”) exposed to me by an English man (redhead) in 1992, in Australia.
My reply on July 23, 2015 – 11:33 am is directed to Tarik Livno. Sorry that I did not make that clear first time.
Thanks for the comment O. I also watch Imran Hosein’s videos even though I’m not a Muslim. There are few men who better analyze world politics. I hope more Muslims watch his videos as he exposes how they can be tricked into supporting the Zionist agenda without even realising it. ISIS in Syria are a perfect example. It’s good that a Sunni Muslim Sheikh speaks out against groups like this and explains why they should not be supported. He is a man of intelligence, decency, honesty and courage. The world needs more like him.
Assalamu Alaikum
Perhaps you misunderstood my first paragraph. I did not mean that I do not accept that unjust oppression and slaughter of Muslims took place at Srebernica. What I meant was what are the factors that led to this? Both contemporary and historical. And these factors I cannot believe from the mainstream media as they lie and lie for political purposes. Perhaps you could give me some links to this? There are always two sides to the story. Did the Muslims commit oppressions? Was Srebernica an example of a pre-planned state sanctioned attempt at exterminating Muslims or was it in the “heat” of the moment and reactionary? Were the (Serbian) perpetrators (those that were captured) allowed to be trialled under a free and just system? There are many more questions.
Imran Hosein has said many times in his lectures that he can and is wrong. He is human after all. Yes, it is true that Imperial Orthodox Russia has committed oppression against Muslims and other minorities. (I do not consider the USSR to be Orthodox Russia, rather Orthodox Russia was the first victim of Bolshevism). However the Quran speaks goodly of “Rum” and the Last Prophet (PBUH) has prophesied that in time to come Muslims and “Rum” will make an alliance. Also the Quran speaks of Christians who have affection for Muslims (not ALL Christians). Question: Who is “Rum” and who are these Christians? Imran Hosein has given his answer to this. May I ask do you have an answer?
Britain and “the West” have played a nefarious role in world history, in sowing discord and spreading corruption (this is not to say there aren’t any positives from them). May I ask are you in favor of Bosnia joining the Modern West’s military tyrant and by extension Israel’s Zionist guard dog- NATO?
Also his name is spelt Imran Hosein.
@Who is “Rum” and who are these Christians? Imran Hosein has given his answer to this. May I ask do you have an answer?
With all due respect for the genial Sheikh, he got it wrong.
Rum is the Roman Empire of the 7th Century and the Christians are the Christians of that time. The time in question is the short period of time: “Bidh’un in the text means a short period -a period of from three to nine years. The period between the loss of Jerusalem (614–15) by the Romans and their victory at the Battle of Issus (622) was seven years, and that to the penetration of Persia by Heraclius was nine years” (Comments of Abdullah Yusuf Ali on Sura Ar-Rum. His interpretation is based on most authoritative Islamic tradition:
“Abu Bakr, a companion (Arabic: Sahaba) of Muhammad and later the first Caliph, defended the prophetic validity of this prediction and ended up making a bet with Ubay ibn Khalaf, a Meccan polytheist.
Muslim scholar Al-Baidawi writes: “This passage refers to the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (615 C.E – 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon ‘in a small number of years’. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the word (bida’) meant “between three and nine years”.
It is most likely that it was a prophecy “post-factum”. In any case it had nothing to do with the End Times, Al-Dajjal, Mahdi or Armageddon.
@Tom Sunic: It’s not considered ‘wasting time’ trying to accurately reflect the number of defenseless civilians murdered. If the evidence suggests 8000+ were murdered then we won’t stand for a single number less. Try putting a face and a name to each of those 8000+ (www.rferl.org/fullinfographics/infographics/27114531.html), and perhaps add an account of how they were killed and you’ll start to see the reality of the suffering of humanity rather than your detached suggestion that the numbers are irrelevant. 8000+ is still 5000 more individuals who were butchered than what the Serbs falsely assert and we won’t stand by idly as Serbs and co. try and attempt to rationalize or botch the numbers because we, like every other tribe, value our fallen brethren and our main interest is to least honour in memory those who were slain.
The benefits of publicizing the event outweigh any annoyances you or the author may feel about it. Whilst it is true that certain elites have political interest and may even ‘shed crocodile tears’, this insincerity doesn’t take away from the reality of the horrors committed on those few days.
Even the number 8000, it is not ‘nothing’ compared to what Communists did post ww2. Name me a single event where they executed defenseless civilians that even come close to that number? The Communists murdered more Bosniak elite per proportion of the population than Croats and Serbs; not to mention whole towns that lay defenseless to Chetnik and Ustasa’s (eg Foca 1942, Hadzet 1945).
So now you take issue with the evolution of a single word, ‘Genocide’? I’m sure if Croatians were on the receiving end you wouldn’t take issue with it’s origins and modern day utility. Why don’t we all take issue with words which may have politically motivated origins, or are historically incorrect? Easier to dismiss a word, and therefore render a massacre such as Srebrenica less horrible than it is?
ISIS sleeper cells in Bosnia? You must have read that crap that passed as a journal piece in the Croatian ‘Globus’? That is all false, and I am amazed that you would blindly accept unsubstantiated claims so willy nilly given your penchant for playing the objective academic? Have a look at the report about the supposed ‘ISIS’ village in Osve: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5fIo6OZ5aA ). It is a normal village, with several more religiously inclined private individuals. As for groups of people itching to kill their ‘Christian neighbors’, that is just delusional. Let’s talk about the numerous extremist Catholic groups affiliated with the fascist Ustase in Bosnia who constantly abuse and isolate their Muslim and Orthodox neighbors, not forgetting the cases of murdered civilians in the last few years. How about the thousands of ravnogorski Chetniks who gather every year and make claims about a greater Serbia? They’re not itching to kill their neighbors like they did just 20 years ago?
Anyone that thinks they’ll exclude Bosniaks from a European future will need to disillusion themselves, because we aren’t going anywhere. We’ve shown through history that we are a resilient people in the face of both tyranny our often murderous neighbors; we love our ancestral homeland and we will NEVER be another Granada or Cordoba.
The difference between us and the former Iberian Muslims, is that we are not pacifists, and as Croatians and Serbs have by now realized, any attempt to dislodge us will come at huge human and material costs.
Half of your argumentation runs around the most probably exaggarated 8000 number, just like the 6 million figure for zionist lobby. Citing Soros-financed Radio “Free” Europe as a source does not lend it any more credibility.
In the interests of full disclosure I am a non European Muslim.
@ Alieu
July 21, 2015 – 1:19 am
You have raised very valid points in your last paragraph. I just wish that more Muslims understood these points. You must sort out your problems WITHOUT taking NATO succor.
Silviosilver. Good point, indeed. Petty –inter-white- nationalist -tribal quarrels and wars are just as bad as the current liberal capitalist mystique. In light of the present mass flooding of Eastern Europe by non-Europeans, this romantic death wish is suicidal.
Cui bono? No need to take a wild guess. But you must first consider the fact that for 45 years the ruling communists in E. Europe, Yugoslavia and the SU did not wish to open this subject, or unearth millions of anticommunist bare bones—courtesy of the liberal West. Expectedly, no wonder that after 1991 nationalists in Eastern and central Europe, i.e. Croats, Serbs, Russians, Ukrainians, Slovaks, Czechs, Poles, Germans, began nurturing again their own myths at the expense of the myths of the Other Neighboring White. We know who benefits from it. Don’t we?
I know that Islam is not part of Europe, but Bosnian’s are whiter then Serbs, in a racial prospective.
We can easily say they are using white blood to push for white guilt.
Why would be Bosniaks whiter than Serbs? This is ridiculous.
What he probably means to say is that Bosniaks are autochthonous to the region in general, both culturally and genetically speaking (i.e their predominant male lineage DNA being the oldest ‘European’ I marker). According to modern theory formulated and expoused by 1800s Russian-Serb intellegentsia, the Serbs migrated to the Balkans around the 7-900s A.D somewhere from the Caucus region (southern?). During the Ottoman administrative period it was not uncommon for Serb women to bear Turkic children and adopt them as Serbian babies. The true number of Serbs that arrived is now thought to be minimal (a few thousand compared with the ), and were able to subdue the local now Hellenized and/or Latinized populace, and gradually force their new language and identity on the local populace. The reality today is that, in particular Montenegrins, and South Serbians aren’t ‘Serb’ per se apart from the language they inherited. The same is true of Dalmatians who were only relatively recently annexed to Zagreb, and who were for a long period culturally opposed to being identified as ‘Croats’. A substantial part of the Croatian ‘Krajina’ region and Dalmatia was historically part of the medieval Bosnian Kingdom, and up until the 17th century most in those territories identified as ‘Bosniaks’ and were actually of Islamic faith ( though the term they used was I believe ‘Dobri Bosnjani’ translated roughly as ‘Good-natured Bosniaks’).
Bosnian ‘Serbs’, and for that matter Bosnian ‘Croats’ are genetically not different to their counterparts the Bosniaks, but for a process of aggressive propaganda in the 19th century from Russian backed Belgrade and Austrian backed Zagreb to assimilate the Bosnian Catholics into Croatia and Bosnian Orthodox into Serbia. Arthur Evans has an interesting account of this aggressive propaganda that was uncommon in even the most remote villages across Bosnia.
One of the reason is, besides the opportunity to “remind” over and over again the “Holocaust”, the fanning of a sense of grievance against Orthodox Christians (Serbs and Russians who back them) among Muslims. They are prepared to be the ISIS of the Balkans.
In the interests of full disclosure I am a Muslim.
I do not know the full details of this conflict, however from my personal readings into it, there were atrocities committed on both sides. Who did more wrong or commit more atrocities? I do not know. But I cannot believe the mainstream western media as they have lied about everything else from WW I and WW II to 9/11 and 7/7 and the “War on Terror”.
One thing for sure is that reconciliation is a two way process. Justice needs to be done on both sides. I do pray that both Christian and Muslim in former Yugoslavia realize that it is not in their benefit to hold such animosity towards one another and it only benefits the Zionist Judeo-Christian Modern West. Listen to Sheikh Imran Hosein @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyLnL3gwQU. It seems his message is getting through.
Another thing that is for sure is that the former Yugoslavian states are now part of NATO or are trying to become part of NATO. Even the Muslim state of Bosnia- what foolishness!
Mainstream western media isn’t producing the evidence regarding the Srebrenica massacre; they are only publicizing it. Yes there may be disingenuous reasons such as opposing Russo-philic Serbia, but the evidence still stands. The evidence still stands, and is easily accessible from the Hague website. There are presentations on youtube, etc.
http://www.rferl.org/fullinfographics/infographics/27114531.html
Omran Hossein has formulated his theory of how the world will end based on his interpretation of Islamic eschatology. He reevaluates and readjusts this theory every 6 months as international events change. For example, he claimed that by the end of 2013 there will be a huge war between Russia and the West, and that Russia will come to the defense of Islam. His main theory is that Russia will be an ally to a true Muslim movement (with no idea who they may be?) and will end up accepting Islam. The reality is, modern and historical Russia has a long history of human rights abuses against Muslims and other minorities, and Omran somehow? rationalizes this.
Omran has a sour dislike for Britain and ‘the West’; that almost appears personal.
Omran is a fanatic and an egotist; he has a theory and blindly sticks to it, rejecting all other factual evidence to the contrary. This make him come across uninformed and amateurish such that most of his listeners are adolescents or the uninformed.
mr Tom Sunic@@
Let me first say that i admire your work and wish that there were many more people like you in our region!
What communists did to all of us was a pretext for what happened in the past war!
First after ww2 they killed,arested,robbed millions of people in Yugoslavia!
They forced us to live under “Beatstvo i jedinstvo”(brotherhood and unity),in a multi cultural state ,abolishing everything traditional and proud our people used to have!
Everyone was persecuted but communists never never were ,for much more evil crimes then all others commited!
What is scarry is that most of our leaders today all over Europe,are decendens of communists!
I see the EU as Yugoslavia 2.0!
Wery similar multi kulti project,one.curency as well,no borders,afirmitive action!
Communism is not dead,its live and well in the west!
Communism never died,remember the song,,”Amerika i Engleska bice zemlja proleterska” ??
Its happening now!
Question is a very hard one!
How do we prvent another brother war in our region and all over Europe!?
How do we.deal with past conflicts amongst each other ,and how do we.bring our nationalists to work with each other instead of being pawns used to start up wars?
I dont believe that time can heal the wounds,injustice will never let it heal!
Pozdrav iz Beograda
I think the EU is a good idea – but not under Jewish control. Europeans have too much in common not to have serious talks about everything. Part of Jewish strategy is to make feel feel; the EU is a disaster, as it is, when run by jews. It’s not inherently a disaster. It’s like the US Federal Govt – it could be a good thing, once jewish power is removed.
Karlfeied@@
Please do not apologize for something you and.your people are not guilty of!
I know.very well who was behind Yugoslavian war ,bombing of Serbia and who bought everything in Yugoslavia for no money after the war!
I know that Germany is occupied by the same ones which were.behind Yugoslavian war!
Lets all learn something out of it,free our countries and continent and prevent European wars in the future!
Greetings fro Belgrade!
Thank you very much, Aleksandar.
Viele Gruesse aus Frankfurt.
Brixton@@
Nobody ever said that war crimes were not commited!They were commited on all sides,it was a bloody civil war!
It was.just not
even close to these numbers let along genocide!
Serbs had 72% of Bosnian teritory at that moment, and if there were any plans of commiting genocide then all of it would look very different!
Serbs had about 40% of victims in Bosnian war and about 800 000 ethnicly clensed refugees which nobody talks about!
But all everybody heard of was bad evil nazi Serbs!
Serbia was chosen as a bad guy,period!
Every dead body they find anywhere aroud Bosnia they bury them in Srebrenica,many of these people on the dead list are still alive and well living in the west!
The ones killed in Srebrenica were the ones that prior to Srebrenica fall killed over 3500 Serbs under Naser Oric command and some soldiers which didnt want to drop their weapons!
Naser Oric and his jihadist killed 500 civilians on Serbian christmass near Srebrenica !
Real numbers are between 500 and 1000 killed by Serbs!
Not one woman or a child was killed!
Same ones which impose lies on Germany and holocaust are behind Srebrenica lie!
Over 60 top Serbian officials,presidents and generals are convicted in Den Hague with jail sentences combinet to 1500 years!
NOT ONE of the other sides was convicted!
They all are walking free and honored as heros while we have to be guilty of everything!!
Obviously NATO’s policy was search and destroy………..
http://www.counterpunch.org/1999/06/15/who-nato-killed/
This thing in Srebrenica was one part in a cruel war. It is not good to point out only one thing and be quiet about other things. This singlesided way to handle things (that the main stream media do) is lying and propaganda. — At the time of the Yugoslavian war the German main stream media were extremely anti-Serbian and they were lying to the utmost. Notably our German Minister of Defence spoke of a “Hufeisenplan” of the Serbs and from than on the German government was involved in bombing the Serbian people. The first time after 1945 German soldiers were at war! As servants /”allies” to the US-military machine! I and many other Germans felt ashame for this and do so up today. I beg for forgiveness to our European brother-folk, the Serbs. — As much as possible, all European/white folks must stand together and work together for the survival of their folks and race.
Let’s not waste time on the Srebrenica body count. What happened there in the summer of 1995 was a very minor, albeit a predictable follow -up on hushed up mega crimes committed by the Yugoslav communist partisans in the wake of 1945 – with a tacit approval of the Western Allies i.e. the Brits. During the Yugoslav wars ( 1991-1995) most Serbian, Bosnian, Croat military commanders ( other than scores of credulous rightwing Croat expats and US-European volunteers ) were former officers of the communist “Yugoslav National Army”, well versed, or well aware of gigantic crimes against Croat, Serb, Bosnian civilians in the wake of WWII. It was in the interest of the UK and the US –and not just the local Yugo- communist hacks, to keep the “unity and integrity” of multikulti Yugoslavia. The recent mea culpa escapade in Srebrenica and the crocodile tears on the part of US and UK emissaries there, was a diverting exercise in trying to tame the restive Muslim populace in the UK. You better believe it; in Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo with their 10 m. people, there are scores of ISIS sleepers itching to turn on their Christian Serb and Croat foes. BTW. Let us avoid falling into a trap of bombastic un-English words like “genocide”. “Genocide” is a verbal construct invented by Raphael Lemkin in 1945, a Jewish lawyer, who used it for one, i.e. his specific purpose only. Ibid with “war crimes”, a nebulous judicial provision, which did not even exist prior to WWI. Let us reread Carl Schmitt.
I’m sorry, but that is a laughable analysis/propaganda ploy. Participants in the wars of succession were not nearly as motivated to avenge themselves for the crimes of the WWII communists as for the actions of WWII nationalists – moronic, myopic, petty nationalists of the worst sort. Whatever the failures of the Yugoslav state, it’s hard to imagine the postwar outcome would have been any rosier for the peoples of that region had the nationalists instead triumphed.
Rehmat@@
Wow,you are the FIRST one ever to say that in Srebrenica 8000 men WOMEN & CHILDREN were killed!!
Not even jews like Albright,Wesley Clark and Holbrook which bombed Serbia with depleted uranium claimed that!!
Just WOW?you have some very new info,i suggest you hurry up to Den Hague court tribunal and give your info to jewish judges and prosecutors so they can give Serbs even more jail time then 2000 years which they all got now ,while all muslims,albanians and Croats are walking free for their crimes!
You didnt complain when Naser Oric killed over 3500 Serbs aroud Srebrenica!!??
You dont complain about 560 years of muslim ottoman.tirrany over Serbs and other christian Europeans!!??
If you feel better living on lies,i wish you luck!!
But we Serbs will never buy Srebrenica BS and we will NEVER accept islamic states Bosnia and Kosovo on our soil!
I dont have anything against you personally,but one day you will have to leave our soil and go back to Asia!
Mladic and Karadzic are Serbian heroes ,protectors of Serbian people from invading muslim jihady hordes,and one day they will be recognized in whole white world like European Christian heroes!
The author’s claim with regards to the strategic benefits that promotion of the war crimes in Srebrenica to a genocide has for the hostile elite carries validity. Where the author has gone wrong, and for that matter has lost my respect, is in denying the extent of the murders committed by the Serb forces against Bosniak civilians. With over a decade of inquiry, the evidence that has been produced is beyond reasonable doubt. There are dozens of reports eye witness accounts from survivors, mothers/wives/sisters, admissions made by Serb soldiers, etc. Analysis of exhumed bodies, contrary to what the author claims, overwhelmingly show that those persons were summarily executed from a short distance with either firepower, beheadings or were knived. Some were killed with higher calibre machine guns who were trying to flee through the forest. The ICTY evidence is there for all to view, as are the many audiovisual presentations, and so we don’t have to follow our imagination and borrow already discredited arguments from Serbocentric websites.
This is a secular website with the aim of promoting the interests of indigenous Europeans. That being said, I don’t see there to be any issue with promoting a historical fact regarding an unfortunate event that befell a group of indigenous Europeans of mixed Illyrian, Celtic and Gothic ancestry who, without compulsion, adopted an Abrahamic religion slightly different but almost identical to the authors one.
@Speaker of House of Commons John Bercow
“His paternal grandparents were Jews who arrived in England from Romania a century ago”. In Romanian Bercu or Bercovici.
@Speaker of the House of Horrors John Bercow
There. Fixed it for ya.
Srebrenica is not a ‘genocide’ or a ‘holocaust’ but it’s definitely a real war crime. Jews don’t need Srebrenica ‘to constantly repeat their propaganda’. For that, they already have Hollywood, Newspapers, TV channels, Academia, etc. But real slaughters, like Srebrenica, can be used to imply that Europeans are ‘evil’ although Bosnian Muslims are more European than their killers. Serbian fact deniers serve their own agenda, not ours.
While the war in Yugoslavia raged, several refugee families were housed in my neighbourhood. While at the playground, I would talk with them about a wide range of topics. Of the four families, one was a Muslim couple, one Roman Catholic, and two Orthodox. One of the families had one Serbian and one Croatian parents.
I would not have known that the Muslim couple were Muslims had Amir not told me. Both were tall, neither had a swarthy complexion, and in fact, the wife was blond. It was they that told me “…one language, three religions. It is stupid.”
The Croat/Serb couple had to leave because their neighbour, a Muslim told them he would kill them if they didn’t leave. It was they who told me about what had “really happened” in Srebrenica. As in the article, the UN was in the area. As in the article, Muslims were attacking Serb and Croat areas in the region, during the night.
Their story added that Srebrenica became a paramilitary staging ground AFTER the UN came to the area, and the UN was complicit in allowing the armed Muslim groups into the area. They also claimed that the Serbs had gone to the UN on a number of occasions after attacks, and warned them to stop the attacks, or they would take matters into their own hands. When the attacks continued, they told the UN that they were going into Srebrenica. On arrival, they determine, in a deliberate manner, who was part of the planning and staging the attacks, and separated them from the civilians. It was the separated group that was executed. They had no specific numbers of people killed, but did say it was much fewer than a thousand. While they did not support the action with any enthusiasm, they did say they understood why it was taken, as people were being killed indiscriminately while they slept.
Was it the truth? Well, as we all know, truth is illusive, because it is contextual. I always found their version to be more credible.
So how do you muslim (?) Bosnia supporters feel about the fact that Pentagon flew in thousands of Al-Qaida islamists to destroy a Yugoslavia sovereign from the US empire’s interest, Rehmat ?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40970.htm
Islamists belonging to the so-called ‘Al-Qaida’ where flown in after 1992. At that time your ‘sovereign’ Yugoslavia was already well dead, as war broke out in 1991 in Slovenia and Croatia. I have no sympathy for your people 1984. Serbs are another living proof that a goyim fighting “their” wars for a century remains only a goyim and will eventually be dealt with as such.
Nice strawman, but I am from NE and neither Serbian nor Slavic. I’m just tired of your angloUS-zionist empire’s lies. Why was the empire flying in foreign jihadists (AQ or not) to kill europeans?
Because dear – Al-Qaeda is as much creation of Judo-Christian US and Israel as the so-called ISIS.
“The truth is there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US….” Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.
http://rehmat1.com/2010/01/06/whose-al-qaeda/
Many people (incl. Nafeez Ahmed) believe in AQ (or someone using that brand), but you ignored my question. How do you feel about Bosnia’s leadership using central Asian jihadists, financed by Saudi Wahhabia, flown in by US empire, to kill people in a region were they’re totally foreign ? You would’nt support US/Saudi/etc. helping foreign mercenaries to overthrow leaders in Libya or Iraq, would you ?
I never believe a word of anything written in the papers.
For instance the latest atrocities committed by ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Maybe the stories are true. Maybe they are false. But I never believe anything the media reports.
When the first reports about the evil Serbs bombing the good Muslims I just assumed it was all lies.
I feel the same and despise the media. They are all about pushing lies, narratives and bread and circuses. I often marvel at the way otherwise intelligent people credit the media with so much authority. I personally wouldn’t trust them to spell the word truth let alone report it. They have defeated the Western World using psychological-weapons that get inside peoples minds and tinkers with them. Turn-off, tune-out, log-in, that’s what I do.
May I congratulate Francis Carr Begbie on his work; trawling through Jewish media garbage is something repulsive to me, and judging by Internet output generally, to huge numbers of people. So all credit to his dedication, and may he long continue in his detective activity.
Interesting how historical and celebrities manage to “forget” about Mao’s Great Leap Forward (which killed 45 million) and his Cultural Revolution (what a joke) (which killed a few million more)….
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
Strange how all the death and destruction caused by the Left (systematically and repeatedly) is almost completely ignored whilst anything done by the Right is blown out of proportion, taken out of context, and insistently repeated…. Is modern society taught history or fed propaganda? The answer is, of course, obvious…
It isn’t ‘the left’. ‘Left’ thought in the pro-people sense is more or less perennial. It’s Jews. Please, please bear this distinction in mind.
Mladic is known as the ‘Butcher of Bosnia” for commanding Serbian forces’ slaughter of over 8,000 Muslim men, women and children between the ages of 12 and 60, inside Srebreica’s “UN Safe Heavens”, while the UN peacekeepers stood by.
What is missing at the ICTY is the indictment of three Muslim-haters; Richard Holbrooks (US), Carl Bildt (EU) and Gen. Bernard Jean Vieh (UN) who gave ‘green light’ to Serbian forces to attack the Muslim areas including Srebrenica, Zepa and Gorazda. It happened when the western powers realized that Bosnian army was about to recapture most of the land it lost to Serbian army during the early stages of the war. The Bosnian army received arms shipment from Iran and some foreign Muslim groups.
Former Bosnian foreign minister, Mohammed Sacirbey, has claimed that in order to prepare ground for NATO’s “humanitarian invasion” – the Muslims genocide was engineered.
http://rehmat1.com/2012/05/27/the-butcher-of-bosnia-and-his-zionist-helpers/
Serbs have claimed that it was a two-sided conflict, not a case of evil Serbs attacking poor innocent Muslims doing nothing wrong. I tend to believe what the Serbs say — not only about this, but about almost any instance where this kind of picture of evil victimizer and pure victim is painted.
The paradigm example of the “victim” game is to say that all races should be respected and that we should therefore treat blacks (say) with respect. OK, we agree, that sounds reasonable. And then the reply comes that you – i.e. whites – have admitted culpability for disrespecting the blacks (say) and this means that whites should be treated with disrespect as due punishment. The same method for transferring power is used in the areas of sex and religion and history…a wedge issue is used to facilitate an ultimate attack on white, Christian, heterosexual males and their families. There is a pretty obvious and focussed agenda behind all this leftist discourse.
There is a certain self-conceit that is stimulated with this kind of moral posturing. It presupposes (1) that British people are omiscient about the rest of the world, and (2) that British people are omnipotent to fix the rest of the world. Some people may enjoy the “guilt” for failing to live up to their obligations as Superman.
What this omniscience really represents is credulity in accepting whatever news-media say. “Genocide-denial” is really propaganda-questioning. That’s what they want to stifle, because it deflates the possibility of mobilizing Britain and the USA for war whenever Jews want to destroy somebody.
When will the government sponsor school visits to the horrors of the Gulags, the Lubyanka and the Holodomor, all atrocities birthed by Jewish dominated Communism? Indeed should not school children be carted to Deir Yassin to learn about Israelis’ inhumanity to Goyim, that is, people like themselves? Or visits to the torture chamber/concentration camp called Gaza for a real time experience of Genocide?
The media always sheds tears for holocausts large and small. They borrow the Jews slogan: “Never Again” to pacify Muslims whose relatives suffered in Bosnia. But most white Brits would like to see a large holocaust where every Muslim and Jew was gassed. Unfortunately native Brits will be suffocated by millions of more people of color entering their once white nation.
media always sheds tears for holocausts …/i> Not true. Slaves? Boers? Armenians? Whites in Russia? Whites in Germany? Bengal Indians? Koreans? Vietnamese? Correction: the Jewish media sheds crocodile tears if they think they can gain from it.
It’s like Rahm Emanuel says: “You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before”.
P.S. I typed a really long response to Rehmat above but when I tried to post it a message came up telling me the page had timed out. Really annoying… I can’t be bothered to type the whole thing again.
Basically I just pointed out that the US-led attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo were the prototypes for the “humanitarian wars” in the Middle East. He seems to think that Muslims can never be in the wrong, even when they’re being trained and armed by NATO and are fighting alongside Al-Qaeda mercenaries who’ve been flown in to massacre the “Infidels”. They were the templates for the wars in Libya and Syria, only now most of the “Infidels” being massacred are their fellow Muslims, who are not considered “true believers”.
What alarmed me, let’s call it a Dawn of consciousness, some time around 2012 is that the US would bomb a nationalist France, England, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Holland if the Muslims in those states were to form their own nations and the nationalists were to resist the Muslim usurpations.
The US as guardian of the Brown menace.
That’s what we gotta battle now.
Spiked used to have a Natalie Rothschild on the staff. She kept an eye on her “North London Irisn” staffers. They are good aggressive journos but never cross the red lines which would kill their BBC or Fleet St dreams.
Well, then, they aren’t good, aggressive journos, are they?