Kevin MacDonald: Whenever Lasha Darkmoon sends me something to post I get a bit of an anxiety attack. On one hand, I know that her articles draw huge interest from readers. Her articles on Jewish influence on art struck a real chord, leading to dozens of emails to her and two later articles that summarized some of the comments — many from artists grateful that someone had finally put a finger on the problem.
On the other hand, she seeks to have impact an an emotional level that is at times unsettling and may be seen by many as “over the top.” Her latest articles (see here and here) definitely push the envelope — beginning with the illustrations from Dees that appear at the top of each article. I cringed at both, especially the one that graces the top of the second article and only left it in after special pleading from Lasha. It’s not my style, certainly. But then I said to myself: Is it really wrong or inaccurate? Comparisons between Israel and Nazism are common these days, and this website has many examples (particularly by Edmund Connelly and me) where the future is depicted as a brutal dystopia in which Whites are victimized by the emerging non-White coalition. Dees, who is a graphic genius, is simply depicting it in a very powerful way.
So as I went through the article, I tried to make sure that what she writes is accurate but to allow her to present her emotional appeal, toning it down and eliminating quite a bit of material that I thought was needlessly offensive.
One example that got the editorial ax: The famous quote from T.S. Eliot: The rats are underneath the piles./The Jew is underneath the lot. Maybe I should have left it in, but that’s the kind of anti-Jewish comment that I find unhelpful, even if it is comes from a great poet. In the absence of a real analysis, it just lends itself to being rejected out of hand as merely an expression of prejudice — as, of course, it has: Here’s a review of a recent book on Eliot titled: “‘Underneath the lot’: An incredible mind, for sure, though touched by blatant prejudice.”
But I left in the section where she depicts the horrific crimes against Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom — even though she thought I would remove them. Probably most TOO readers have heard this crime discussed, but Darkmoon’s treatment hits home emotionally in a way that I have never seen.
Will readers be upset? Perhaps. But the mainstream media does exactly the same thing in sensationalizing crimes by Whites against non-Whites — and particularly the crimes against Jews committed in WWII. And if one really has an image of this crime in your mind, the result will be a righteous anger that will motivate people to challenge what’s going on. This, of course, is exactly why such crimes against Whites are completely ignored by the media.
Darkmoon also did a photo essay interspersed with poetry that is a tribute to Rachel Corrie, martyr for the Palestinians (“She Died for Palestine”). Again, there was a huge positive response. I think that because the fate of the Palestinians has become a moral touchstone in the contemporary world to many across the entire political spectrum, the response was uniformly positive. (We don’t have many pro-Zionist readers.)
So I said to myself, why is this any different? TOO has posted numerous articles primarily directed at the left side of the brain — the facts and analysis that are entirely on our side. But facts and analysis only go so far in motivating people. The fact is that we have to start screaming about what is happening, not only in Israel but in the West generally. We should have a righteous anger not only about the crimes of Israel, but about the crimes of Freud and the Frankfurt School. We have to have clear, emotionally compelling images in our memories — memories that motivate action. And Lasha Darkmoon is screaming.
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There’s 3 versions of what really happened to Channon & Christian. The first is in Lasha’s article, which I believe is now Generally Regarded as Incorrect. The 2nd version is on the link she posted. Then there is What Really Happened. We need to get to the bottom of this. There’s been all sorts of crazy rumours. Anyway, Channon was stuffed into a garbage can, not killed & dumped together with her boyfriend. Let’s straighten this all out.
It is a well-known fact from the ancient art of rhetoric that one should try to find a balance between pathos (passion, or emotional appeal) and logos (reason, or facts/argumentation). The third element (ethos, or credibility/reputation) is usually absent when a writer uses a penname.
Written articles can never have the same emotional appeal as, for example, a television documentary. Television can almost entirely eliminate reason. Written articles do not have this privilege, so to speak.
TOO articles are usually written in a very sensitive rhetorical and thematic landscape (a minefield). Nobody runs through a minefield. One has to watch every step.
Having said that, I generally like Darkmoon’s style, especially if she keeps in mind that “less is more”.
i think the point of her articles – about creating a culture of pessimism and hopelessness – are vital to understanding what’s happening to us – and frankly if we don’t get emotional we will lose. Discussing what happens when there is a fire in your house is quite different than knowing there is a fire in your house….
As Macdonald’s own articles point out – Jews – the ethoncentric activist kind – tend to dominate because they are psychologically intense.
Fact is, at least one on one, very often they back down very quickly when you ‘bite’ back.
Svigor had a great analogy – imagine 100 people, 5 are ethnocentric who work together the other 95 are indifferent and /or individualist..who is going to come out on top of that pile? But it doesn’t take 95 of the 95 to negate the 5 – it only takes 5 – or even less.
Darkmoon does a good job in Part 1 of her essay By Bye America in comparing Weimar Germany with the US in the 21st Century.
This comparison has been a pet project of me since around 2002. 9/11 to me became sort of a Versailles Treaty imposed on the USA and a Jewish Bolshevik Neocon coup at the same time. Just like in 1919 Germany and 1917 Russia
Endlessly shackeling the USA to monetary burdens of Jewish Financial Swindling and Usury coupled with “War on Terrorism” war debts(which essentially are WW1 war reperations in another form). I started to see a pattern developing between pre 1933 Germany and 21st Century post 9/11 US.
On the Culture and Politically front I became aware of the similarities by reading articles written by Joseph Goebbles Alfred Rosenberg Robert Ley and even Julius Streicher. These articles and essays can be found on a website called Calvin College Nazi Propaganda. They are broken up into pre 1933 and post 1933 Germany. I discovered this site about 2004-5 and was shocked to read these essays and articles and the comparisons were so identical I literally thought I was in Weimar Germany.
Then when I discovered Dr MacDonalds essay on who the Neocons (2004) were (ex Jewish liberal Trotskyites and Frankfurt Schoolers) it was literally an explosion of reality that was shocking and painful to realize. 2001 was like 1919 in Germany and we have been progressing rapidly eversense.
I remeber growing up in the 70′s and 80′s and reading the “Nazi” viewpoint and wondering what they kept talking about when they would say Capitalism is the Guardian Angel of Bolshevism and the Bolshevization of the Earth is the greatest danger in world history or Capitalism and Communism are the same side of the Jewish coin. etc
I just always thought these guys are nuts they are seeing ghosts.
Now I see what they were talking about because its here right now and we are living it. My understanding of the NSDAP changed completely after this awakening. Also my understanding of my country alaso changed at the same time. Very very few people in the USA culd ever see this or unfortunately be made to see this because of the brainwashing
Incidentally the IQ level of the NSDAP leadership in the articles I mention at Calvin College were all ranged between 117-160. Well above average to just under genius level
These guys were no dummies
Not to be redundant, but, as far as modern art goes, Lasha’s latest headline contribution from “Dees” would be called a “collage”. Most people credit Picasso’s pal George Braque with inventing the “collage”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Braque
Things are not always what they seem to be, Piccasso was allowed to work openly, and sell his art all during the German occupation of Paris. You may wonder why? It turns out that most of Picasso’s modern art friends, collegaues, fellow artists were French vets of the Great War, and French Nationalists who were open to dialogue with the Germans.
Thanks for giving this editorial context to LD’s article. “Over the top” describes my impression. I like my Jewish critique sober, intellectual, and with lots of footnotes. In particular, using apocryphal or hypothetical “quotes” by Israelis is dangerous. Some readers will see the quote marks, assume the quotes are sourced, repeat them, and make fools of themselves.
This article tries to cover too much, to put it mildly. It does hint at an important question. DM portrays the culture of critique as easily dominating the intellectual life of the West in the aftermath of fin de sicle pessimism and nihilism.
Is this really so surprising or outrageous? When a living thing weakens and loses its will to live, intra-guild competitors, predators and parasites naturally move in.
White/western advocacy and defense is vital, but above all we need to rediscover our *telos*, our sense of place and purpose in the universe. Ultimately, we must have Religion, and I do not mean by this a social construction or cult. Rather, I mean that even a spiritually healthy atheist requires faith that his civilization’s origins, life, and ultimate purpose are good in themselves, even if he cannot fully know any one of these things.
I enjoy Lasha’s work. Meanwhile, interesting happenings on KM’s campus:
http://www.daily49er.com/news/transgender-student-assaulted-with-weapon-at-csulb-1.2238504
There is no question that Channon & Christian suffered horrific torture.
Other sites do loosely argued imagery which evokes righteous anger and do it well, but for TOQ Lasha’s stuff shoud be sui generis. Those who are already convinced will surely be wound up by it but the biggest problem is not lack of ever more emotive rhetoric to motivate nationalists; it’s a lack of nationalists.
All efforts should be concentrated on winning the hearts and minds of the greatest possible number of uncommitted whites, the kind of whites that normal people are not ashamed to be associated with. If Lasha’s way is found to contribute to that end fine. Otherwise it is at best a distraction.
I have to admit that I didn’t bother reading these two pieces by Darkmoon (nor have I read any other of her writings lately). Like David, “I like my Jewish critique sober, intellectual, and with lots of footnotes.” In fact, I like most of my discussions/things I read to be like that. I don’t really “get” Darkmoon’s approach — but maybe others appreciate it.
The facts need to be straight, though. Getting facts wrong or manipulating them will just work against one in the long wrong. Not saying that Darkmoon does either of these … just saying.
Christian Honesty Is Where, How Victory Against Jew-Disease Begins
(Apollonian, 26 Apr 10)
Note it’s very purpose of art to be emotional–esp. so that emotion then makes u think. And I think Darkmoon’s stuff is really pretty tame, everything considered, and Prof. MacDonald only hesitates to publish as he’s been soooooo intimidated by Jews–it’s understandable then for Prof., but still regrettable. I like the work of Wyatt Mann the most–there’s a fighter who doesn’t compromise–an absolutely top artist with outstanding insight.
So like I say, Darkmoon’s stuff is good, well-deserving of publishing, esp. by Prof. MacDonald, and it makes u think. Thus Darkmoon laments “evil”–of which there is none. Jews are just a parasite disease-of-opportunity, snuffing out inferiors and weaklings who’ve been bred-up CYCLICALLY, according to “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler, by previous generation of truly great white heroes and conquerors, that’s all.
But Darkmoon, understandably, wants to know how now to proceed–and that’s not difficult. For observe Jews’ secret and indispensable weapon, as Darkmoon herself notes among “human resources,” is “Judeo-Christian” (JC–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org) hereticalists who say Christ was Jew and who traitorously support enemy terror-state of Israel. And these JCs are really easily dealt with–see Whtt.org and how good Pastor Carlson does it–we just need more of this.
The other note regarding proper proceeding, which I’ve gone over also, regards “Tower-of-Babel” syndrome which so horrifically grips mentality of goyim masses, and which Jews exploit so well (including on these blogs), that being FIXATION with ABSTRACTIONS dis-connected w. CONCRETE reality, beginning w. moralism-Pharisaism, and especially then in regard to US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed–see RealityZone.com and TheMoneyMasters.com for expo/ref.) which is simply COUNTERFEITING, as even children could otherwise understand. Morons, suckers, and scum insist everything is sooooooooooo complex, u see.
CONCLUSION: And so observe then how basic Christian HONESTY, in honor of TRUTH, so much helps regarding JC hereticalism, Pelagian heresy of moralism-Pharisaism, and then, especially, simply seeing the Fed for what it really is–mere COUNTERFEITING, again. And note further in all honesty, Christianity begins with ANTI-SEMITISM, the real obedience to God. If u’re not anti-semitic, u ain’t no Christian, pilgrim. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
No, Darkmoon does have some of the facts of Channon and Christian’s deaths wrong. Channon’s breats were not cut off and she was not strangled to death, but suffocated in the trash can. Her body was not dumped with Christian’s.
It’s just not good to continue to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime. For one thing, it just weakens one’s argument; and for another, it’s not respectful to the memories of Channon and Christian.
The TS Eliot lines which my esteemed editor, Kevin MacDonald, decided not to quote in Goodbye, America! have been widely regarded as anti-Semitic. In declining to quote them, KMD probably made the right decision. He had no wish to cause needless offense to our Jewish cousins — most of whom live exemplary lives — nor do I myself wish to be childishly confrontational in any way. The inflammatory lines in question are:
The rats are underneath the piles,
The jew is underneath the lot.
The poem in its entirety may be read here:
http://www.infoplease.com/t/lit/poems-eliot-ts/2.html
In assessing the unspeakable offensivness of these lines, do try and remember that the poem containing the couplet is to be found in every single edition of Eliot’s poems. Thus my edition of T.S. Eliot, Selected Poems, Faber & Faber (1980) carries the unexpurgated poem in its entirety on page 34. I confess I was shocked when I first found it there. What could Faber & Faber have been thinking of? They must have slipped up badly.
On the strength of these lines, among others far less offensive, T.S. Eliot has been denounced as an incorrigible anti-Semite, notably by prominent British lawyer and academic Dr Anthony Julius, best known for his actions on behalf of Diana, Princess of Wales and Deborah Lipstadt. Senior consultant for the London law firm Mishcon de Reya. Dr Julius launched an all-out attack on Eliot in his book, T.S. Eliot, Anti-Semitism and Literary Form (Cambridge University Press 1995). The book was based on his own PhD thesis.
It’s amusing to note that one of the things that incensed Julius, almost to the point of apoplexy, was the fact that Eliot had committed the cardinal sin of spelling the word “Jew” with a small-case ‘j’ in early editions of his poem. Thus: “the jew is underneath the lot”. To appease his wrath, subsequent editions were amended and the small ‘j’ became a big ‘J’.
Jewish honor was restored.
Eliot had deliberately used a small ‘j’ — and it is still used in many editions — because he wished to draw a distinction between the generic “jew” (jews as a whole) and the individual “Jew” (every single Jew) in order to avoid the charge of anti-Semitism.
To exonerate Eliot even further, it has been argued that he, the poet, was not the speaker in these lines, but that the lines were to be attributed to a persona. In the same way, the lines from Shakespeare I quoted in my article, “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so,” must not be attributed to Shakespeare himself but to another psychologically disturbed character in ‘Hamlet’ who uttered the lines.
All these subtle distinctions were lost on Dr Julius.
I think Eliot was a problem for the Frankfurt School intellectuals, most of whom were Jewish. They found his commitment to Christianity and Christiam mysticism repugnant. Hence a deep-seated desire to defame him.
Eliot has survived the vicious attacks on him. He remains, easily, the best poet of the 20th century. An incomparable genius.
No other 20th century poet comes anywhere near him, except perhaps Rilke.
““I like my Jewish critique sober, intellectual, and with lots of footnotes.” In fact, I like most of my discussions/things I read to be like that. I don’t really “get” Darkmoon’s approach — but maybe others appreciate it.” -Eileen says: April 26, 2010 at 10:38 AM
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Art Is Parallel, Complement To Strict Conscious Intellect
(Apollonian, 26 Apr 10)
Yeah “Eileen,” but u see, that ain’t the way ART is supposed to work–by means of immediate intellect, “footnotes,” etc.–that’s supplement or alternative. Art, proper, and strictly, works by means of PERCEPTION striking emotion and ONLY THEN intellect, as one then thinks it over–according to Ayn Rand, anyway. And one “thinks it over” either consciously or subconsciously–or both.
The intellectual “footnotes” then is a complement and parallel method/manner, and it is most famously contrasted by Kierkegaard who distinguishes and discusses the methods of “ethicists” and the “aestheticalists”–but actually they’re perfectly complementary and not contradictory at all.
For another example, u have aestheticalist Christian motif, method, and anti-theses of Truth vs. Jew lies and conspiracy–this parallel to Aristotelian objectivity and determinism vs. Kantian/Platonic subjectivism and moralism-Pharisaism. One can go either way and get to heaven, but it’s best to go both ways–esp. now under present political-cultural conditions.
CONCLUSION: Note artistics can be artful in subconscious manner and never know it or even understand they’re doing it. REAL “art” then is to be conscious about one’s methods, both for intellect and artistry. honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Ezra Pound was the greatest poet of the twentieth century. But for Pound the THE WASTE LAND would have been in the waste basket. And though I think Dr. Darkmoon is brilliant, I don’t like being manipulated, especially emotionally… bit too jewish for me.
Lasha, in Spitting Mad Jews and Angry Artists: Part 2 you quote members of the Frankfurt School saying that they wanted “to create a culture of pessimism”, “to corrupt society’s values”, “to make Western civilization stink,” .
There needs to be a credible reason given for why Jews organize to do such things, no one is going to believe it’s just out of spite. Well people going by the name of SS generals – and possibly dressed as such – may but is that who you are trying to reach.
Rather than citing ‘Israel Shamir’ incorporate some of KM’s work and make the rational basis for Jewish behavior towards whites understandable. Once the self interest that motivates Jewish anti-racism is shown the hypocrisy of the allegations of white racism is clear. The message has to be credible to the average white.
The objective of organized Jewry is the survival of the Jewish people in a uncertain future, it’s not inherently evil.
Is “Lasha Darkmoon” pro-white or a troll designed to make whites look stupid? No, I really have to ask. In the article we have:
1. Fake quotes from Jews (that they “might” have said…you know, in an alternate universe!)
2. No sources for other quotes from Jews
3. Whining about a muslim being “tortured” (not only is nothing remotely resembling torture taking place, but muslims practice actual torture against pretty much everyone, why isn’t Darkmoon talking about this?)
4. A source from the Huffington Post, a virulently anti-white hate site
5. Moaning about the Palestinians (No thanks, just because the Jews hate them does not me we need to join their cause- they hate us too)
So what can you make of this? She should have stuck with the C&N murders, this is the way to wake up whites! Making up quotes and tugging at our heartstrings by trying to drag us into the latest Semitic Brawl is a losing proposition.
Jews Are Talmudic Psychopaths
(Apollonian, 26 Apr 10)
“Someday,” “objective of organized Jewry” is in line with Talmudic ritual murder and general psycho-pathology (see RevisionistHistory.org and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo)–as everything else about Jews.
CONCLUSION: “Evil” is irrelevant and subjective, but Jews are inimical to all humanity and must be removed. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Like Kevin MacDonald, I prefer a more analytical and emotionally detached tone to the the articles I read. Nonethelss, the articles on the “Conspiracy Against Art” were simply outstanding.
@ The facts need to be straight, though. Getting facts wrong or manipulating them will just work against one in the long wrong… It’s just not good to continue to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime. For one thing, it just weakens one’s argument. —Eileen
I just did a little internet search and could not find out the truth about what really happened. Was Hugh Christopher Newsom castrated? Were Channon Gail Christian’s breast chopped off? That we cannot ascertain it only shows the wretched state of MSM today. Yes, I absolutely agree with you Eileen: we must get the facts straight.
@ “I like my Jewish critique sober, intellectual, and with lots of footnotes.” In fact, I like most of my discussions/things I read to be like that. I don’t really “get” Darkmoon’s approach, but maybe others appreciate it. —Eileen
But here we differ, and my latest two entries in The West’s Darkest Hour (see here and here) illustrate my point. In one I appeal to intense emotions on the subject of infanticide and child sacrifice. In the other, while I approach exactly the same subject, I appeal to calm intellects by citing 90 scholarly references.
I didn’t invent this right-left hemisphere literary style, Eileen, but it gets our published stuff fairly balanced. Perhaps you may want to take a look at the iconic example of this genre, Solzhenitsyn’s (abridged) edition of The Gulag Archipelago? Of course: if our emotional invectives are to be persuasive we must get our facts straight before launching the emotional tirade. But if we get the facts right, the literary impact could be overwhelming.
From my point of view, TOO’ niche is the “slow news” market. The MSM information flow is overwhelming, there’s a lot of noise and there’s a need for in-depth articles offering well-tuned descriptions or explanations of the big picture. Right now it seems that TOO lacks a unique brand that people can recognize and identify with.
Whenever Lasha Darkmoon sends me something to post I get a bit of an anxiety attack.
I can’t imagine why:
You are this young couple. Here’s what happens to you. This is your fate… It’s time to discuss despair. Despair in general. Let’s talk about our despair.
Creating Despair
They ain’t no great mystery here.
Without speaking to the sourcing, I would say LD’s pieces are compassionate, emotional, in-your-face, and effective.
There is a stream of consciousness appeal to them that is very feminine, and the anti-Zionist cause needs more female voices.
Women need to know what these stinking sociopaths have in store for them, and they need to know fast, because it’s not pretty.
LD is showing them.
Her latest is plain wrong in the first sentence.
Americans is white folks — plus a few non-white HONORARY Americans.
An American will just no longer be the same thing as a United States citizen.
Hello,
This is regarding “Goodbye America”, and I have the following question(s) and comments regarding that article for Dr. Darkmoon:
I read both parts of your article (twice) and I am in total agreement with your conclusion (“we are living in the last days of a dying civilization”) . Interestingly, I first heard this statement from one of our teachers in high school (I went to a catholic high school) in about 1968. She made virtually the same statement so long ago: ” we are witnessing the last days of Western Civlization”. Unfortunately, she did not elaborate on the thought.
What is most perplexing to me and others I am sure, is that, considering the age of this plan (the “Protocols” were published in 1903, and were supposed “records of minutes of meeting ” of a group of Jewish “elders” that had taken place sometime in the past-so the “plan” was older than its published date, obviously) a large group of people were able to work over a period of generations toward a goal in the distant future. Assuming that there is truth in this “conspiracy theory” (and much of what is contained in that book has come to pass), it is incredible that their goals could be furthered across such a geographically wide-spread area and such cooperation could be harnessed among such so large a group of people (the world’s Jewry) over a period amounting to several generations (if you consider say, Theodore Herzl to have been the initial instigator of this movement-there are those who say it is even older than that). It boggles the mind to consider the degree of inter-group cooperation that was involved in this undertaking. It seems super-human.
At any rate, I found your article to be an accurate assessment of Western Civilization’s situation as well as very absorbing . If there is a bright note in all of this, it is that it appears that nationalism is on the upswing in Russia and that Russia and the other Eastern European countries have not fallen to the chicanery of international Jewish influence. It is my hope that our people will live on in that region of the world and not succumb to the pressure and propaganda that worked so well on our people here. Please forgive the length of this email; I have a life-long habit of being verbose.
Regards,
Curt
Lasha may be very feminine but she does not come across that way because she doesn’t sound gentle.
“Stinking sociopaths” end up in prison where they pretend to be Jewish to get better food and have to stay clean or the other convicts will think they’re disrespecting their race.
“If there is a bright note in all of this, it is that it appears that nationalism is on the upswing in Russia and that Russia and the other Eastern European countries have not fallen to the chicanery of international Jewish influence.”
The Russian Putinistic nationalism has very little in common with Western ethnic nationalism. Russian nationalism is almost exclusively imperialistic and state-centric, and Russia remain a multiethnic empire. Jews are still prominent among contemporary elites in Russia.
Well, as an oldster, and keenly aware of that, I sorta see Lasha’s material as the work of a youngster. For example, Dees’ work , I would guess , is the work of a youngster. It is the kind of work that Plato would have scorned, and Dees subsequently, would be lucky to find himself alive after Plato’s censure. Plato would have elevated him to Very Dangerous and dealt with him summarily. Plato would not have denied Dees his “humanity.” In fact, Plato would find ridiculous the very idea of Humanity, which levels the marvelous Differences in the various groups and races of Homo Sapien. Modern LIberals level and erase Difference: for them there is No Free Speech for those who champion genuine Difference…they are anti-human, etc.
Carl Schmidt, in his “The Concept of the Political” disposes of adjectival rhetoric (evil, odious, etc) p. 111. The Liberal tendency, par excellence, is to posit a Universal, for example, “Man is Good.” If anybody suggests otherwise, this Liberal Universalist tendency removes that person from Respectability, and towards “evil” for even mentioning that man is other than Good.
Once removed from respectability, the gradient is steep and delivers Others into the anti-christ, Evil, inhuman, and so on. This is what liberals do all the time. Interestingly, intellectual laziness, emotionalism, arrogance, ignorance and narcissism and, can I say it? youth….lead to zealotry, especially of the LIberal sort. Nobody Knows Everything like the adolescent.
Schmidt advises to discard moralism. Evolution suggests to lighten up on the Good/Evil propensity and get more realistic. Man is not Good or Evil, Man is dangerous or not dangerous. Dangerous is both useful, and problematic.
Whites are still dangerous, thank Evolution, and that is why Jews hate us. Jews are very dangerous, but they are just doing what we should be doing, that is looking out for oureselves. Whites need to start paying more attention to ‘what’s good for the Whites.”
(Getting back to Dees, he is merely a propagandist. He will exploit Nazi signs and symbols for a basically amorphous ‘humanitarian’ cause. The most humanitarian cause for Dees, is his career. Dees is dangerous.)
Thus dangerousness does not make someone “inhuman.” Liberal Moralism demands that people, ‘bad’ people , be murdered. ‘Dangerous’ people just makes them people who need to be watched carefully, and, if they become too dangerous, then they become Enemies who may have to be crushed in a military sense, or in an incarceration sense, but not murdered because they are the Devil, etc.
Jews are only doing what comes naturally to any People who have a sense of their Peoplehood, or Race. Exclusiveness is Natural and Biological and Darwinian. The scorpion and the turtle parable. Scorpions do what Scorpions do. They just are.
If Whites deserve to survive, they will become more dangerous than they already, are, especially White Men. If Whites allow their elites to sell-out to Cosmopolitanism, Globalism, One-Worldism, Deracination and Humanitarianism, and Jewish Power,then Other races, who have never bothered to think up Humanitarianism and Universalism, will take our place, and the White genetic propensity for indiscriminate Generosity toward Others will be erased as Evolution continues its speciation and variety (sub-species variation…the various races developing on their own toward greater variation or speciation or raciation, or even “polyploid” divergences (Webster’s). The biological world does not care about Humanitarianism, and for good reason.
Humanitarianism is soft, and the world is hard. Which does not mean that tenderness toward those we love is inappropriate. What is inappropriate is tenderness toward People whom we don’t know and whom we have no reason to trust. The relative social isolation of any individual leads, on average, toward indiscriminate emotional attachment toward anybody who happens to show up. Thus the Individualism of the White West, tends toward relative social isolation of many (who will of course deny it) and therefore to social and intellectual Outreach toward Strangers, particularly Strangers who have been romanticized by Humanitarian ideology , which ideology is both concocted by our Enemies, and ourselves, especially Gnostic Christians like Unitarians and Universalistic Christians in general.
Jews are our Enemies, and very dangerous. Many Christians are somewhat dangerous, and so on. We have within our own ranks, folks who I consider a bit dangerous, but NONE of these people are “inhuman.” Let me propose a Rainbow of Homo Sapiens. But a rainbow that can be prism-like separated into its natural components, that would be, of course, the various “colors”, races, all of whom possessing the right to survive. If one denies the right of one race to survive, then one opens the gate to unlimited war.
At the same time, any race that threatens the survival and thriving of another race is dangerous enough to merit military, political, and economic war. Prisoners will be taken, not exterminated per the Liberal Logic of denying “humanity” to “Humanity’s Enemies.”
War is completely natural and not to be considered evil or good. Let me introduce Albert Camus’ distinction between Revolution and
Revolt. Revolution is Totalitarian and observes no limits. Limitlessness is what is totalitarian. LImits impose…”strict with limitation” to crib a line… basic sanity and restraint. We might emotionally desire blood, but our sense of limits corrects us, at least White people, in most situations. In Camus’ time, post WW2 and the intellectual Power of Communism which subverted the LIberal Mind, he was of course fighting Communism (like Sartre the communist and like George Orwell. Both of these men missed Race but the Zeitgeist did not then compass Race.)
LIberalism has no sense of limits. In fact, LIberalism emotionally “loves” to kill people for their ideas. That is why Liberalism is the pimping little sister of communism. LIberalism under duress slips easily into communism. A revolutionary conservatism will only kill when the Enemy is trying to kill us, and not because we have declared Liberals, for example, to be the Devil. Liberals are not Devils, they are just mediocre thinkers and feelers. Human all too human, and for that reason, one cannot be punished. For threatening the lives of a group or race, another group or race can be considered as an existential, not a total, Enemy and therefore can be killed in self-defense.
(What I mean by ‘Human’ is the genomic human, regardless of race. All humans are light years from the highest animals and therefore of a special Nature. Any particular race may be considered degraded compared to another race, but Homo Sapiens are all at least cousins in a poetical and not necessarily in a strict biological sense. Thus, what is irreduceable biologically is what I mean. This does not therefore rule out discriminations and distinctions with regard to higher and lower forms of Homo Sapien. We DO discriminate, and that is one of our higher functions.)
War Joe Webb
Chechar said: “I just did a little internet search and could not find out the truth about what really happened. Was Hugh Christopher Newsom castrated? Were Channon Gail Christian’s breast chopped off?”
I followed the trials connected to Channon and Christopher’s horrible deaths very closely. Watched all of them (so far) fully online (live). Channon’s breasts were definitely not cut off. There were statements by the coroners clarifying that. I actually never heard until today that Christopher was supposedly castrated. I would’ve thought that would have been mentioned in the evidence if it had happened.
Another excellent article from Dr. Darkmoon. I do not see the point in the hedges and apologies, and especially not for the excellent graphics.
Simply mentioning non-Gentiles are, in fact, non-Gentiles is enough to invite a barrage of hysterical venom, so why bother apologizing?
More Lasha please!
Bravo Joe!
j says:
April 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM
THE END IS NEAR !
“That is the message of Lasha Darkmoon’s latest note, a collage of unrelated images going from portraites [SIC] of Darwin, Crowley, Dostoyesky [SIC], Netaniyahu [SIC], a couple kissing, a girl with a black eye, a stripclub and some one falling or jumping from a building. Is that is an argument? Should we believe that all is lost and the sky is falling? A collage of nonsense, lunacy…Lasha has no arguments except her feeling of hysterical, apocaliptic [SIC] despair. She seems to be in a state of existencial , [SIC] insatisfaction [SIC.]
The Germans have a saying appliable [SIC] to Lasha:
Kinder, Kuche und Kirche. Friedrich Nietzsche has another one about women, something that should not be forgotten.”
I am coming to appreciate the comments of this individual known as J, despite all his “SICS”. They do not necessarily indicate his lack of education. He could be a German Jew who sees it as his role in life to monitor this website for politically incorrect thought. In which case his deplorable spelling is perfectly understandable! :)
His comment above — which I have emphasized in bold print — is of great interest and tells me that J is a confirmed MISOGYNIST. This would explain his virulent hostility toward me. He hates me for no other reason than this: I AM A WOMAN! And I dare to speak my mind!
The significance of J’s comment is this:
In late 19th century Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm II had defined women’s position in society as centering on Kirche, Küche, Kinder, or Church, Kitchen and Children. In other words, women should take a back seat and restrict their activities to going to Church, pottering round in the kitchen, and bringing up their kids.
As a confirmed anti-feminist, I do believe that this view has much to recommend it. I infinitely prefer self-effacing, feminine women (who are prepared to take a subordinate role to men) to the kind of radical feminist harpy who is little more than a man in skirts.
Women would do well to concentrate their attention on their children rather than on their careers in a man’s world.
The radical feminist (often lesbian and pro-porn) has helped to turn many men into misogynists. Apart from this, there is woman’s natural beauty to consider. She is man’s forbidden fruit, his ruin, his constant temptation. For this reason, if no other, Woman is hated and resented.
“Man loveth danger and play,” Nietzsche’s Zarathustra lamented. “Therefore he loveth Woman, the most dangerous of playthings.”
Nietzsche himself, the supreme misogynist, had a weakness for women — particularly for the femme fatale Lou Salome who rejected his amorous overtures. He died from syphilis, remember, contracted in a brothel.
J’s mysterious remark above, “Friedrich Nietzsche has another one [comment] about women, something that should not be forgotten” clearly refers to the famous punchline in Nietzsche’s essay “On Women” in Thus Spake Zarathustra:
“Thou goes to Woman? Remember thy whip!”
Beautiful. I love it. You can’t beat Nietzsche for sheer trenchancy and wit. As a woman, I don’t resent that comment in the slightest. I think it makes eminent good sense.
I see these female celebrities — Madonna, Paris Hilton, Kate Moss, and all the other sexual exhibitionists who use their beautiful bodies as instruments of power and moral subversion — and I say to myself: “Ladies, you could all do with a damn good thrashing!”
Thus spake Lasha.
Xanadu
(aka L. Darkmoon)
apollonian said: “Yeah “Eileen,” but u see, that ain’t the way ART is supposed to work….”
Chechar said: “I didn’t invent this right-left hemisphere literary style, Eileen….”
Oh, don’t get me wrong, guys! I didn’t mean that more artistic presentations or more appeals to the emotion are not appropriate or even not important. They may, in fact, be more important than more intellectual, fact-based argumentation since most humans seem to operate on quite emotional levels most of the time. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that…. ;-) ) I was just saying that they don’t really appeal to me — but that’s just me. I guess I am more left- or right-brained (whichever it is).
Even as far as art goes, THIS is much, much more appealing to me … or THIS … than something like THIS. But, again, that is just me. :-)
@Someday,
Not all sociopaths end up in prison. In fact, most don’t. Read ‘The Sociopath Next Door.’
http://books.google.com/books?id=PyOjlz_2SG0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+sociopath+next+door&hl=en&ei=cwXWS8qxEpOKswOLzq2cCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
The lyrics to a Don Henley song come to mind: “A man with a briefcase can steal more money than any man with a gun.”
Here’s where a good portion of the sociopaths should be put: Shutter Island/Israel.
http://www.judeofascism.com/2010/03/nutz-zionist-paranoids-in-israel-and-at.html
I’m not being flip or facile. I’ve come to believe it is a humanitarian win-win for all involved (carried out under the right regimen).
Does anybody else have any better ideas? What I mostly hear is a lot of pissing and moaning interspersed with a lot of doom and gloom as we steadily make our way towards Civil War or WWIII, with no practical alternative course.
This is a practical course.
Darkmoon’s litany of Zionist outrages is indeed impressive:
“Hadn’t she heard of the Goldstone Report? Did she have no inkling of Israeli war crimes: of Deir Yassin (1948), the Lavon affair (1954), the Sabra and Shatila war crimes (1982), Qana (17 villages wiped out 1996), the Jenin massacre (2002), the Lebanon and Egyptian terrorist attacks and the atrocities in Iraq from 1990 to the present time, the horrific Gaza invasion of 2009? Had she never heard of the King David Hotel bombing of the British? Had she never heard of the Hebron Mosque massacre by Baruch Goldstein? Had she never heard of the sneak attack on the USS Liberty? Had she never heard of American state secrets sold to the Soviets and Chinese? Had she never heard of white phosphorus and cluster bombs and DIME weapons that slice babies’ bodies in half?”
The education of anyone who is dependent upon the American press for his information would benefit greatly from a little Internet research on each of those topics.
She has left off one major outrage that is much less known because it has been so hard to get the word out. I speak of the obvious murder of that great patriot, America’s leading opponent of the creation of the state of Israel, James Forrestal. Start reading about it at http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080113.htm. A good summary of my Forrestal writings is at http://ariwatch.com/Links/JamesForrestal/WhoKilledJamesForrestal.htm. Another good starting place is at http://jamesforrestal.ariwatch.com/WillcuttsReport.htm. You also get the perspective of another observer at that last site.
Put this arrow in your forensic quiver and perhaps the outlook will not be so bleak.
Re Lasha’s above remarks,
Woman, thou goest to Man?, take thy bull-shit-detector.
Joe
Kevin MacDonald, I think your impulses toward restraint, towards mildness, toward caution and saying only what can credibly be backed up, are your wiser ones.
This is how you yourself write, and please never change. I don’t think you should let yourself be worn down and change your standards in advising others.
Hey Chris, your long bare URL almost broke my screen :)
@ “The scorpion and the turtle parable. Scorpions do what Scorpions do. They just are.” –Geiseric
You surely mean the Scorpion and the frog.
Eileen: thanks for the info about this horrible murder case.
StillGoing says:
April 26, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Is “Lasha Darkmoon” pro-white or a troll designed to make whites look stupid? No, I really have to ask. In the article we have:
1. Fake quotes from Jews (that they “might” have said…you know, in an alternate universe!)
Why did Lasha’s canny editor, Kevin MacDonald, allow these fake quotes from “Jews” (meaning one Jew, Benjamin Netanyahu) to escape his gimlet eye? Why didn’t he say, “Lasha, no fake quotes!”
I guess because he has a sense of humor and because the ONE “fake quote” was ANNOUNCED in advance as a fake quote, viz., “WE JEWs CONTROL AMERICA!”
Which was itself an echo of a GENUINE quote by one Ariel Sharon!
I’m not sure why StillGoing objects to this perfectly valid satirical literary device.
2. No sources for other quotes from Jews.
Can you state exactly what “other quotes” from “Jews” were unsourced?
NO SUCH QUOTES EXIST.
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As Lasha’s sister and research assistant, I should like it to be known that ALL the articles Lasha Darkmoon writes are meticulously researched and sourced. Part 1 of Goodbye, America! contains 30 links, Part 2 also contains 30 links.
Isn’t that good enough for you, StillGoing?
Lasha Darkmon’s Plot Against Art, which was widely praised for its thorough documentation and has been translated into 6 languages, had far fewer links: about 20 links to each part. (There were 2 parts).
When Lasha cannot find a link, she asks for her Editor’s help. If KMD cannot find the link, the quote or point being made is usually abandoned. Thus in the present series of articles, great effort was expended in trying to locate a quote from Pat Buchanan. A reliable source could not be found. The quote was therefore omitted.
We take our responsbilities seriously.
Much more seriously than irresponsible posters here who make uncharitable and unsubstantiated allegations.
More respect for Lasha please. Don’t let your misogyny show. :)
Eileen says: “Like David, “I like my Jewish critique sober, intellectual, and with lots of footnotes.” In fact, I like most of my discussions/things I read to be like that.”
My taste is the same.
Places to satisfy that taste are rarer and more valuable than venues for “screaming”.
Sorry to all. Forgot we could do HTML here.
But anyway, take a look at the book. It will help to understand what we’re dealing with.
Jews of good will should read it, too.
;-)
This is an exciting thread. I need to add my 2 cents.
1) “The rats are underneath the piles,
The jew is underneath the lot.”
I think you guys misunderstand this quote. It’s not an insult. The Jew is hiding underneath something spying for price quotes. To gain an advantage in commerce.
2) About Christine and Channon’s murder: Has any one else read the blurb at Occidental Quarterly recounting the crimes in South Africa, particularly those against whites? Isn’t there an eerie parallel between these murders?
3) I wasn’t too hot on this last article of Darkmoon. It seemed an unhinged pastiche of other people’s ideas. A bit of Connelly here, a bit of Kmac there, with a few poems thrown in for good measure. And the phony quotes jeporodize the integrity of the site, as other commentors have noted. When dealing with a controverial topic, especially one that criticizes people, one must be meticulously accurate about the facts. It makes me question her agenda, although there were some great facts and references in the first part.
I would like Darkmoon to defend her statement that Eliot is the greatest poet of the twentieth century. What works by Eliot justify this position? I don’t hate TS Eliot, but past the early poems in Proofrock and other Observations, I don’t find much to like.
I thought the Dees White House cartoon at the top of Part I was excellent.
In Part II, I think Pollard, Newsom/Christian, Darwin, Lukacs, Freud, Nudes and Dostoevsky were enough. I’d remove the other six (6).
With regard to Part II, I found it dramatic rather than intense, a histrionic patchwork; not reliably factual; the Netanyahu invention was beyond the pale (an actual sample of his vituperative arrogance must be available). I did appreciate some of the other quotes used.
The content of all of Darkmoon’s articles has already been very familiar to me; the writing style therefore got most of my (critical) attention.
One of the techniques the vile Jews use is to incant the very powers they refuse to the Goyim. These are the powers from the Sun and Earth. The most powerful Rabbis know very well how to meditate and communicate with these super conscious celestial beings.
Early European culture also did the same, and were eradicated because of their Pantheistic beliefs. They were then fed first the nonsense about the multiple Gods of the Greeks and Romans (anthropomorphism), and then were groomed on the slave philosophy of Christianity, with its own external, unseen and unknowable God. Today, Christians think Jews are God’s chosen representatives.
If you doubt this, then why does the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops wear yarmulkes? They are all Jews in training. Imagine that, the hierarchy of Christianity considers Earthly achievement as becoming a Jew (soul less, blood sucking parasites)!
This is why any successful Revolution must eradicate Christianity, as it is a complete tool of the controlling Jews. However, all of the White Christians are so bloody brain washed, this scenario is very unlikely. Let me give you one particular example to illustrate the utter futility of reasoning with the White Christians.
One of my nieces, who has two parents working for the Federal Government (Communist Party members), has had a privileged life surrounded by well to do White people, has completed two thirds of a college degree and quit, and is a complete leftist atheist like her parents. Asked her as a joke (knew the answer) before the November 2008 US Presidential election who she was voting for. She answered without hesitation Obama.
Then asked her who the CFR was and what the Messiah’s wife, Michelle, background was, and about the Messiah’s stated escalation in Afghanistan and even Pakistan, and she went blank. Who needs facts when you are a f$*king Jew controlled robot? Her mom panicked and ushered out of my sight pronto.
As a very last point, consider the axiom: the created can only possess those qualities imbued by its creator (otherwise something can come out of nothing). It should be obvious that the Sun and Earth created Humanity, and Humanity is conscious and has Free Will. This implies that the Sun and Earth are super conscious and have Free Will.
Instead of worshiping a dead, hippie, mythological Jew named Jesus, maybe White people should start worshiping the obvious Sun and Earth. Instead of giving your money and Free Will over to a degenerate thug Priest/Minister, who answers only to the Jews and feeds you full of harmful fairy tales, White people should ask their direct creators, the Sun and Earth, what the Hell is going on. Wisdom is not Free, and if someone offers it, then you will end up with a deed for the Brooklyn Bridge.
“born agin’ redneck”
I question all three labels frankly.
“jim”: April 26, 2010 at 4:53 PM–u don’t know what u’re talking about regarding Christianity comrade–note u give no references for what u babble about. Christianity is only way to go for all gentiles, including white folk. Christianity stands for TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) vs. Jew lies and conspiracy, never doubt.
Here, just below, I paste large excerpt fm my last posting previous blog on Auster. Don’t be another of these “useful idiots,” comrade.
* * * * *
“And within this horrific Judeo-conspiracy, place of “Judeo-Christians” (JCs–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) is extremely KEY–as they intimidate everyone else among the nominal Christian volk. Never doubt Jew masterminds, by means of their COUNTERFEIT scam, “own” and control every single establishment “Christian” church, Protestant and Catholic, without exception.
“For note it’s HUGE mistake to think ONLY whites are being victimized–all humanity is. And Jews want to get “whites” fighting the non-whites, etc.
“Another “angle” Jews work is within and among whites; they want to split them according to Christian and non-Christian–this then is where “useful idiots” like “Captain chaos” and Alex Linder (VanguardNewsNetwork.com) come in, Linder un-doubtedly funded by Jews, even if Linder is too stupid to understand it. Linder looks like a Jew anyway, if u notice.
“What these idiot anti-Christs do is to mis-represent real Christianity, saying it’s mere variety/version of preceding Judaism (Pharisaism, Talmudism). Note then how these anti-Christs actually second and support JCs who say the same thing regarding similarity of Christianity and Judaism–only differing that it’s good, WNs saying it’s bad.
“So note the “white nationalist” (WN) angle is mis-guided IF it works like the utterly FAILED BNP in Britain (or UK) placing Jews at top, using white punks to enforce Jews upon whites, ISOLATING whites against everyone else. Nick Griffin even spouts holohoax lies.
“And of course, there’s yet another group of “WN”-styled scum working for Jews: those are the MORALISTS, as of MajorityRights.com and OccidentalDissent.com, but these are least significant of all the hereticalists, relatively easy to spot and detect. “Fred Scrooby” is a great moralistic upholding these aforementioned sites, another is “Tanstaafl” with his Jew-overseen blogspot.com blog.
“Christian way is BEST, ISOLATING Jews. We need Jew-Expulsion, and observe only Christianity has ever done this successfully. Only trick then is to watch for the obligatory Jew attempt to sponsor predictable hereticalism, like aforementioned JCs.
“For basic, proper Christian principles remember: (a) Christianity is absolutely ANTI-SEMITIC, first, last, and always. Anti-semitism is very purpose of Christianity, and if it isn’t anti-semitic, it isn’t and COULDN’T be real thing, real Christianity.
“(b) Christianity stands for TRUTH above all else–everything else about Christianity, as in New Testament (NT), being mere AESTHETICALIST ALLEGORY, that’s all. Thus Christianity upholds Aristotle and objectivity, necessary criterion to such truth, obviously.
“CONCLUSION: Hence then comrades, u can now more easily see once u REMOVE JCs u’ve essentially taken away Jews’ foremost allies and accomplices who’ve, more than anyone else, made way for Jews. But don’t forget the other heresies, including then esp. Pelagianism, as of Immanuel Kant’s rationalistic-styled sort, and general subjectivism by which “anything goes”–esp. as it’s for “good” of Jews. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian”
I was.
A perfect blend. IMO, Darkmoon’s secret is the mix of words and images. It’s a potent brew. Not everybody likes us, but it drives some folks wild.
I wrote an email to Darkmoon before seeing the comment of prof McDonald because it would really be better to write (when you are so few) not just for people that already believe in the narrative.
I don’t say to go the Steve Sailer’s way, always light and friendly, so that once in a while someone from the MSM even debates you for a moment, but you just cannot afford to be harsh, excitable or inaccurate when you take on the biggest cultural taboo of America
Here in Southern Catholic Europe we are a bit looser (on the net), but in America you have zero chances (until something really bad happens) and you cannot afford to write as if you can mobilize peopole! Because you can’t, prove is you all write under pen name otherwise you lose your job or are harassed
Linking an obscure W Benjiamin’s sentence to Israeli torture is over the top and implies too much “faith” in the readers, it sounds like a sofisticated Stormfront comment. Also the man for all his current “hyper-valuation” in our culture did kill himself because he was about to be captured by the Nazi, you cannot say that he died because of his pessimism! She could have at least used Adorno who instead was in LA having fun, not the only one of the group that was indeed a victim….
May I respectfully suggest to “cool off” a bit and to take a clue from the excellent and massive work in Australia byPeter Myers at “Neither Aryan Nor Jew” http://mailstar.net/download.html ?
(the only person I know able to discuss the Protocols in an impassionate and academic way demonstrating that they are probably true and to show the historical work on the assassination of Stalin, when he took on the jews as an explicit target) ?
About America compared with Weimar Germany
how about : the Fatal-Embrace Jews- and the State
http://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Embrace-Jews-State/dp/0226296660
from an honest jewish historian that has all the data you want …
The amount of data that “prove” how an elite group can dominate a country through its cultural and financial power (the USA today the same way India was dominating by the Briths) is massive
You do not need to spoil the good work rushing into emotionalism
from an earlier post.
From: joe webb
Date: Sat, April 24, 2010 8:33 pm
To: darkmoon@theoccidentalobserver.net
Hi Lasha, I just worried that maybe I sounded too harsh, that’s all. If you google joe webb and uncle sam you can get my act. If it is still there. thanks.
Btw, reading your piece on Germany ,e tc. Yes things are worse in some ways, if not all ways, but it has to get worse before the tide turns. Everybody, almost, hates the jews all over the world. Anti-semitism is rising in Europe, and almost everybody I talk to who is not on our page, agrees something is wrong with these characters, Israel, etc.
YOu are lucky to be young . You will live to see the denouement. If no denouement, then there will be the beginning of gurerilla war, assassinations. etc. We will not go down without a fight. I am pretty optimistic. Even the CIA apparently reported to the Pres that they thought Israel might not be here in 20 years.
You can bet that we have attack nuke subs who know where those israeli nuke subs are at all times.
I am just starting a book which looks like it is going to be a great read: European Jungle by F. Yeats-Brown, a Brit. About 1940. lots of background on the war .
Then the Indian Wars are starting again in Arizona. Great stuff! the mexers using the old commie language of killing the pigs. GREAT!! Things will never be the same after 4 years of Negro-think. I was happy that obamination got elected, both for punishing the Republicans and for exactly what is happening. HIs appointments are straight out of the commie asylum, for example, Van Jones, I knew of him about 10 years ago, an geruwhine commmunist and he admitted it He got knocked out when a video surfaced with him calling the Republicans a bunch of assholes. This whole thing is amazing. The People’s Republic of Darktown with the Liberals foaming at the mouth. Enjoy the show.
Btw, that piece I did on Jewish sex and sexuality and Herr Dr Freud, about 5 installments, first draft which i posted, never got any interest from Greg or Kevin. I guess they figured it to be too far out, and really, for publishing it would need more work, it could actually be a book and a year’s work…not for me however. These people are nuts
over sex. I think there are some very weird sexual practices amongst the rabbis in the chabad with young girls. O I am just a git screwy. Later.
War……Joe Webb
“More respect for Lasha please. Don’t let your misogyny show.”
I enjoy Lasha’s articles and I’ve shared them on a few forums. I even stumbled upon a brilliant youtube video of ‘The Plot Against Art’.
I think it’s criticism, not misogyny. The claim of misogyny is used by leftists to silence critics.
Everything is either racist or misogynistic to them.
Outstanding, but somber, article. I look forward to the next installment.
Your critics are pretty accurate when they accuse you of being pessimistic; I too, have frequent bouts of pessimism about the future for
White Europeans. The most difficult problem, which you correctly identified – are these 60 million Christian Zionist traitors and the issue
of what we have to do with them. They do stand firmly in our path and we will not be able to simply step around them, and then engage the
enemy. Our enemy knows this, and I suspect that they take great satisfaction in laying out our chessboard in this fashion.
We also have another huge problem – and that is the stubborn refusal of so many whites to allow themselves to think ‘tribally’ and get over
this white guilt sickness that our enemy has injected into them, via control of our mass media and entertainment industry.
Whenever I’ve tried to open up serious conversations about these dangerous and sinister demographic changes that our Jewish enemy is forcing upon literally every majority white nation with my fellow white kinsmen or kinswomen, I find that I have my most heated and frustrating arguments about this issue with white people!
Do these idiots not understand simple 8th grade math? Do these idiots not understand that being on short side of 50% on election day – means that the group or collection of other groups who outnumber you – can vote to steal all of our hard earn income and vote to strip us of every last one of our precious liberties, and vote to impose more racial quotas and more racially discriminatory laws that target whites? Do any of these white idiots have a clue about what life will be like for their children and grandchildren, if they are forced to live under the tyrannical and hostile rule of non-whites who hate and despise them? Do these idiots think that once whites are a minority that these non-whites are going to be as gracious and generous and altruistic towards whites as we stupidly were towards them? Do these white nitwits think that whites will be allowed to have or hold any decent jobs at all? Can these brainless white people even spell the word ‘disenfranchisement’? How about ‘dispossession’? Do these people not realize that every one of these non-white groups harbor vast and deep rooted historical grievances for real or perceived offenses that might have happened to their people decades or centuries ago? Offenses that whites today, and in the future – had absolutely no part in inflicting upon them? Has anyone ever heard of payback time?
giovanni
“you all write under pen name otherwise you lose your job or are harassed”
Yeah but everyone is losing their job anyway so who cares?
“Linking an obscure W Benjiamin’s sentence to Israeli torture is over the top and implies too much “faith” in the readers”
Yes, you think us lowly “goyim” yadda yadda whatever.
The best part about sites like TOO is that no one really cares what non-gentiles think, about any subject. It simply doesn’t matter. If we wanted to hear those opinions, we’d watch TV.
No, thank you.
>>Here’s a review of a recent book on Eliot titled: “‘Underneath the lot’: An incredible mind, for sure, though touched by blatant prejudice.”
Perhaps you’d prefer my review of [well, comments on] an even newer book:
How Unpleasant to Meet Mr. Eliot’s Biographers
http://jamesjomeara.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-unpleasant-to-meet-mr.html
“The Russian Putinistic nationalism has very little in common with Western ethnic nationalism. Russian nationalism is almost exclusively imperialistic and state-centric, and Russia remain a multiethnic empire. Jews are still prominent among contemporary elites in Russia.”
- If by “Imperialistic nationalism” you mean to say that Russia under Putin is expansionist while maintaining or elevating Russian culture above others, then I say, so what? Is not the US an empire? (with supposedly more than 700 military bases throughout the world) And is not China an empire in the making? I welcome white nationalism in any form anywhere that it manifests itself since rising above the herd of other nations and aggressively asserting white nationalism is what is needed to counter our decline. Further, though Russia may be a “multiethnic empire” in the sense that several cultures (“ethnicities”) coexist in Russia, the same is true in the US, Great Britain, Switzerland, and many of the countries of Europe. Regarding the criticism of Russia’s “state-centric” nationalism, I would like to enquire as to what other kind of “nationalism” there is ? You cannot expect expect a kind of “world consciousness of white people” any more than you can expect individual cultures (ethnicities) of white people to dissapear. Even Jews, regardless of their famed intra-racial cooperativeness disagree among one another and often times vehemently-however, they are perhaps the most racially conscious of peoples and do have ethnic differences among themselves too. Yes, Jews are still prominent among contemporary elites in Russia-this could still change, however. Russian nationalism is experiencing a rebirth and is still in its infancy. Today’s motto in Russia is “Russia for Russians”. Bravo! I wish that I could similarly say: The US for Americans.
>>Here’s a review of a recent book on Eliot titled: “‘Underneath the lot’: An incredible mind, for sure, though touched by blatant prejudice.”
Perhaps you’d prefer my review of [well, comments on] an even newer book:
How Unpleasant to Meet Mr. Eliot’s Biographers
http://jamesjomeara.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-unpleasant-to-meet-mr.html
As for pseudonyms, that’s my real name, bud. Not like Micheal O’Meara, he stole that from me!
I have read more than a few of Lasha Darkmoon’s articles and feel they are quite good. The people of God,the true people of God are destroyed from the lack of knowledge,Ho 4:6. I They should read the scriptures and comments below to see their inheritance in the age to come,and see who the real people of God are! Keep up the good work Lasha for our fight is not against flesh and blood:
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The people of God
Who are the chosen people of God? This is often a confusing and contentious matter because there is different subtle designations concerning who the people of God are when they are mentioned in the New Testament. In Romans 9:6-8 a clear distinction is made by Paul concerning who Israel is in regard to the flesh and who Israel is in regards to the promise:
6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. ( Gen 21:12)
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
It is important in regards to inheritance that one understands that the children of God are the children of promise, not the children of flesh.
Even though a clear distinction is being made in these scriptures between Israel of the flesh and Israel of the promise, the term Israel is often used in the New Testament and it is left up to the reader to discern which Israel is being spoken of. This is also true concerning the seed of Abraham, there is the seed of Abraham according to the flesh and the seed of Abraham, which is of the promise, which is Christ:
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Later in Galatians clear differences are pointed out by Paul concerning Abraham’s seed of the flesh and of the seed of the promise in regards to the two covenants, the covenant of the law and the covenant of promise:
Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
This same account is given in Ge 21:10-13
The body of Christ and it’s Old and New Testament members, are the children of God, children of the promise, and heirs according to the promise. The promise inheritance is to rule and reign with Jesus Christ for a thousand years, Rev 20:6. And at that time all the nations of the earth will be blessed through Abraham’s seed, which is Christ. Our inheritance as members of the body of Christ is mentioned in the following verses’ 20:32,Ac 26:18,Gal 3:18,Eph 1:11,Eph 1:18,Eph 5:5,Col 1:12,Col 3:24,Heb 9:15 and 1 Per 1:4. This same body of Christ is referred to in Romans the 8th chapter:
29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
In Romans 11:2,Paul makes a statement that identifies who the people of God are, and that those people are the ones God foreknew, it is important that the word used as foreknew is the exact same Greek word used as foreknown in Romans 8:29:
Ro 11:1 ¶ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
One needs to understand that God’s people up until salvation was given to the Gentiles were Jews of the flesh who were foreknown by God. Being foreknown by God, Eph 1:3&4, as being in Christ is the characteristic that makes one sons of God and the people of God.
But now let us follow the rest of Paul’s discourse in verse 2, because important terms are use like remnant, election of grace, and these terms shows the distinct difference between Israel of the flesh and God’s chosen people :
Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
These scriptures show the election by grace was confined to those of the promise, who were Israelites of the flesh, during the Old
Testament and briefly in the New Testament until God grafted in the Gentiles, wild olive branches ,read the 11th chapter of Romans. The
natural branches were of course of the promise. The Israel of the flesh in this present day are blinded by God. They make claim to the
promise land and are blinded to the fact that they are not the seed of promise and as such have no rights of inheritance. One might argue
that possession is 9/10ths of the law but it is written in Romans 8:2,that the law is sin and death. God has addressed Israel of the flesh in
Isaiah 28:
14 ¶ Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
This very self same event happened in 70AD and will happen again in the not so far near future in the Jerusalem that now is.
But the members of the body of Christ,with Jesus as head of that body, Col 1:18, are the true heirs of the promises God made to Abraham
and his seed. Some of the members of the body of Christ in this present age are also unable to see their inheritance given in Christ
Jesus, in the age to come. Apostle Paul utters a most beautiful prayer for his fellow members of the body of Christ in Ephesians 1:
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Pray so too. And above in Galatians 4:29 a prophetic warning was given in the past but is also oh so relevant today, and is already
gathering on the horizon for those who are given eyes to see:
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
All glory and honor to God the Father and His son Jesus Christ.
Very well said, Lucas. Most Whites are horribly clueless and blindsided. How do we save such a people from themselves? It’s going to be a difficult uphill struggle, for sure.
I hadn’t read any of Lasha Darkmoon’s writing until now. I think this blog would be greatly improved if Mr. MacDonald were to stop publishing her. Just one opinion.
There’s been some criticism here for using supposedly “Jewish” term like “racism,” “misogyny,” etc. These are not Jewish terms. Like “Judeofascism,” these are very specific terms with very specific and identifiable meanings.
Western civilization= Reason. Technology. Christianity. Part of the “Reason” component is identifying specific sub-groups who are enemies of the peace and harmony. These terms help identify the “enemy.”
Anyone who embraces or collaborates with those who subscribe to these false prophesies falls from grace and into the enemy camp, IMHO.
This includes dispensationalists. This includes institutional racists (as opposed to white civilization conscientious). This includes Jewish supremacists. This includes misogynists.
@Curt:
The point about imperialistic, state-centric Russian nationalism is that we’re not dealing with a kind of “White” ethnic nationalism. Russia, being multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, has no tradition for ethnic (or racial) nationalism.
Then, of course, there’s the problem of defining “whiteness”. Exactly how white is Russia – a country with a large proportion of non-European elements even among ethnic Russians (Uralic, Turkic, among others)?
The “Russia for Russians”-slogan is not part of mainstream Russian culture or politics. Racial nationalists are as marginalized in Russia as they are in the West (the contexts and backgrounds are different, though). Is Putin an ethnic, racial nationalists fighting Jewish influence? I don’t think so. Does he recycle old-school Russia imperialism and militarism? Yes, I think so. Just keep an eye on the Red Square on May 9. You’ll see portraits of Stalin all over the place.
Lasha,
Is the last sentence about Western Civilization everywhere, or just in America?
ATTACK ON DARKMOON UNFAIR : ALL FACTS IN “GOODBYE, AMERICA!” WERE CAREFULLY RESEARCHED AND SOURCED.
by LUCY SKIPPING
(Lasha Darkmoon’s research assistant and younger sister)
Eileen says @ April 26, 2010 at 10:44 AM
“It’s just not good to continue to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime. For one thing, it just weakens one’s argument; and for another, it’s not respectful to the memories of Channon and Christian.”
A fair comment by an obviously caring and highly intelligent commenter. Regretably, it shows not only a lack of understanding and — dare I say it? — a needless disrespect for my sister Lasha Darkmoon.
For example, Eileen blithely reveals in a previous email (April 26 @ 10.38 AM):
“I have to admit I didn’t bother reading these two pieces by Darkmoon, nor have I read any other of her writings lately.”
So it would appear that Eileen, a self-confessed ignoramus of the writings of Lasha Darkmoon, has nevertheless reached the uncharitable conclusion that Lasha Darkmon is a lousy researcher who is being “disrespectful to the memories of Channon and Christian” by her scant regard for the true facts. “It’s not good to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime,” Eileen points out sternly, suggesting that my sister Lasha Darkmoon is an irresponsible airhead who make up facts to suit herself.
And what of Kevin MacDonald, dear Eileen, is he equally irresponsible for allowing these “inacurate facts” to be published on his website?
The truth of the matter is this: unlike Eileen and other Darkmoon detractors, Kevin MacDonald actually READS Darkmoon’s articles!
As a responsible editor, KMD took the trouble to check out all Darkmoon’s facts against the exhaustive LINKS she supplied in the text. He was satisfied that Darkmoon was NOT a writer of fiction. That she was doing her best to build up a composite picure of an appalling crime from documented sources that are widely available on the internet and elsewhere.
Eileen writes: “No, Darkmoon does have some of the facts of Channon and Christian’s deaths wrong. Channon’s breasts were NOT cut off and she was NOT strangled to death, but suffocated in the trash can. Her body was NOT dumped with Christian’s.”
Fair enough. This what Eileen thinks. This is her version of the events. This is her composite picture of the crime according to her own lights.
It is not necessarily everyone else’s.
Here is what Eileen would have read had she bothered to read Darkmoon’s article and actually checked out her links:
“On Saturday, January 6, 2007, White Channon Christian, 21, and White Christopher Newsom, 23, of Knoxville, Tennessee, went out on a date. Outside the home of friends, they were carjacked and kidnapped. For the next twenty-four hours, their three Black male captors and the female sister of one of the assailants beat and tortured the two young White victims. In addition, they gang-raped Mr. Newsom, and gang-raped Miss Christian. The Blacks then CUT OFF THE WHITE MAN’S PENIS WHILE HE WAS STILL ALIVE, forcing his girlfriend to watch. They also URINATED on the young woman, made her drink cleaning fluid, and EITHER STRANGLED OR SUFFOCATED HER TO DEATH.
The Blacks then killed Mr. Newsom with multiple gunshot wounds and transported his bullet-ridden corpse to a DUMPING GROUND. When police found Miss Christian’s corpse stuffed into a garbage can, THEY WERE SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT HER ATTACKERS HAD AT SOME POINT CUT OFF HER BREASTS.”
So you see, Eileen: none of thec facts provided by Lasha Darkmoon were “made up”. They are here for all to see. According to the account you have just read, Channon was “either strangled or suffocated to death.” Darkmoon opted for strangulation in the interests of simplicity, since it appeared to her that there was a 50/50 chance that Channon was strangled — apart from the fact that it made not the slightest diference to the horrific nature of the crime whether strangulation or suffocation had occurred. Again, it is here clearly stated that Channon’s breasts were cut off.
Conclusion: Lasha Darkmoon is a responsible researcher. She does not invent facts. She sources her references meticulously. Her editor checks these facts. The vetting process is thorough.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=86242
Most of Darkmoon’s facts come from the second link.
The shame of it all is that the Classical Civilization built by Latin Whites at least had the privilege of being overthrown by other Whites.
Silly illiterate barbarian Whites, but Whites all the same.
We should be so lucky, and that’s the problem.
“We are in the last days of a dying civilization. The writing is on the wall. Unless a miracle now occurs, we are history.”
The bastion of Liberalism is the City.
The City is the breeding ground of Blacks and Mestizos.
The City is the center of Jewish Media, Political, and Economic Power.
The City is the Demographic Sinkhole where White Bloodlines go to die.
But what is the weakness of the City?
This was illustrated for us on three dates:
1. August 6, 1945.
2. August 9, 1945.
3. Semptember 11, 2001.
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/04/crazy-like-fox.html
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/02/fragility-of-evil.html
http://statsaholic.blogspot.com/2010/01/jesus-doesnt-always-love-you.html
Dr Lasha Darkmoon, in Goodbye, America! (Part 2), TOO, writes:
“…the black woman…a kitchen knife in her hand, waiting to cut off your sweetheart’s penis. This happens…White Lady, it’s TIME FOR YOUR BREASTS TO BE CUT OFF!…they hack off your breasts…
This happened in January, 2007, near Knoxville, Tennessee, to Christopher Newsom (23) and his girlfriend Channon Christian (21)”
NO, THIS DID NOT HAPPEN!
And I’m very disheartened to read this internet myth on TOO. I’m accustomed to seeing any article in the MSM on anything I happen to have some knowledge of be inaccurate, but I had hoped to find a different pattern on TOO.
These two false details, the cutting off of penis and breasts, were apparently started by (FBI informant) Hal Turner, if I recall correctly.
What I do know is that I watched on live television two of the trials for this crime, and listened to the Medical Examiner recount in detail the injuries to the two bodies…she did not mention breasts or penis cut off, and no one connected to the case has ever claimed such injuries in any official document or proceeding.
If Dr. Darkmoon wants to make such a claim, she needs to support it by more than just a link to a site that has as its sub-heading, “Rumor Has It.” And even on the page Dr. Darkmoon links at that site, those details are first presented, but are then followed by the statement that “subsequent reports have contradicted” those and other details, and then there follows an emended account that has later turned out to be pretty much the account presented during the trials.
And I don’t consider my concern with such details to be nit-picking. When I find I can’t have confidence in an author on small matters I happen to know something about, then I’m going to be dubious on the large matters about which I’m hoping to learn something from that author.
I’ve recently come to TOO with high hopes, and a response to my post by Dr. Darkmoon would be much appreciated.
L. Darkmoon wrote that Nietzsche “died from syphilis, remember, contracted in a brothel”.
Did he?
Or is this oft-repeated syphilitic historical nugget just another example of the Tribe denigrating one of Western Civilization’s intellectual giants who also (albeit wrongly or rightly) gave some of the philosophical foundations to various aspects of the National Socialist doctrine? Is it a Big Lie, as per the Culture of Critique, to slander Nietzsche for even posthumously having anything to do with one of history’s most anti-jewish episodes? Quite frankly, more is expected from a writer the calibre of L. Darkmoon than just the regurgitation of so-called facts, especially since the evidence suggests that the story of the STD demise of Nazi-inspiring Freddy was probably a typical Frankfurt School character assassination. I also seem to recall another famous German accused of being mad with syphilis as the reason he single-handedly started WWII. What is it with jews and syphilis? Keep up the great writing nonetheless, L. Darkmoon!
Nietzsche ‘died of brain cancer’
May 6 2003
Friedrich Nietzsche … ideas adopted by Nazis.
Friedrich Nietzsche, the philosopher thought to have died of syphilis, was the victim of a posthumous smear campaign by anti-Nazis, new research shows.
A study of medical records has found that, far from suffering a sexually transmitted disease that drove him mad, Nietzsche almost certainly died of brain cancer.
The doctor who carried out the study claims that the universally accepted story of Nietzsche having caught syphilis from prostitutes was concocted after World War II by Wilhelm Lange-Eichbaum, an academic who was one of Nietzsche’s most vociferous critics. It was then adopted as fact by intellectuals who were keen to demolish the reputation of Nietzsche, whose idea of a “superman” was used to underpin Nazism.
The new research was done by Leonard Sax, the director of the Montgomery Centre for Research in Child Development in the United States. Dr Sax studied accounts of Nietzsche’s collapse with dementia in 1889, when he was admitted to an asylum in Switzerland and initially diagnosed as being in the advanced stages of syphilis.
According to Dr Sax, however, Nietzsche’s notes show no signs of the symptoms now regarded as evidence of this disease, such as an expressionless face and slurred speech.
“His facial expressions remained vivid, his reflexes were normal, tremor was not present, his handwriting after his collapse was at least as good as it had been in previous years – and his speech was fluent,” Dr Sax said.
In the current issue of the Journal of Medical Biography, Dr Sax argues that the philosopher was suffering from a slowly developing brain tumour. This would account for Nietzsche’s collapse and the migraines and visual disturbances he suffered.
In the decades following his death in 1900, Nietzsche’s ideas of the Uebermensch – a new kind of human driven by the “will to power” – was adopted by the Nazis.
In a 1947 book Lange-Eichbaum alleged that a Berlin neurologist had once told him that the philosopher “had infected himself with syphilis in a Leipzig brothel during his time as a student there, and that he had been treated for syphilis by two Leipzig physicians”.
The Telegraph, London
I guess I might add to my post above that I was completely fascinated by Dr. Darkmoon’s comparison (in her part I) of the situation in the U.S. today to the situation in pre-war Germany, re Jewish power….I thought it was a wonderful exposition.
But now I’m wondering if I should return to that account, and check any of the pieces Dr. Darkmoon used to construct it that I’m not knowledgeable about!
That’s why an author should always take the greatest care to use only information that she can regard as verified with reasonable reliability….that practice will build merited trust in the author’s readers.
Tom Watson says:
April 26, 2010 at 9:19 AM
Not to be redundant, but, as far as modern art goes, Lasha’s latest headline contribution from “Dees” would be called a “collage”.
Most people credit Picasso’s pal George Braque with inventing the “collage”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Braque
Tom: I am inclined to agree with you. Up to a point. But try and understand that it was not Lasha Darkmoon’s intention to write a collage. If it ended up looking like a collage, especially in Part 2, this is entirely due to the fact that extensive editorial cuts had to be made.
Because of my sister’s unfortunate tendency to call a spade a spade when writing — she doesn’t mince her words — it was sadly deemed necessary to make extensive cuts in Goodbye, America!
575 words were pared away from Part 1 and over 1000 words from Part 2.
Inevitably, if the connecting bits between one passage and another are removed, the effect on readers can be disconcerting. They don’t quite know how they got from Passage A to Pasage B. A collage-like effect is the inevitable result.
Rest assured that the essay you have actually read is infinitely superior to the essay you might have read if these cuts NOT been made. No one recognizes this more than my sister, Lasha Darkmoon. She is indebted to her editor, the brilliant Kevin MacDonald, for licking her work into shape and making it presentable to the reader.
If you’re wondering if Kevin MacDonald makes a habit of extensive cutting, the answer is an emphatic NO. Kevin seldom does this. No cuts whatever were made to Lasha’s The plot Against Art. As she wrote it, KMD published it. Word for word. The same would apply to most of of her other essays.
Goodbye, America! was a rare exception.
The sombre nature of the subject matter — the coming death of America and the doom of its White race — reduced my dear sister to tears. She was beside herself with emotion. She was possessed.
Cuts had to be made in the interests of sanity.
As a female, I see the reverse of misogyny taking place here.
I see exhibitionist shtik being rewarded, lowered expectations and standards “just because she’s a female.”
My suggestion is: ditch the two drippy names; ditch the “research assistant” who compounds the weirdness; get an objective person to edit the drafts before they’re submitted.
Screaming for attention does get people’s attention. The Comments are mostly about the author, not the article. That appears to be the goal.
Reginald says:
April 27, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Lasha,
Is the last sentence about Western Civilization everywhere, or just in America?
America today. Europe tomorrow. The rest of the world, day after tomorrow. Imagine the globe as an apple. The rot begins in one corner of the apple. Then it spreads, until the entire apple is rotten.
There are two kinds of immigration. Parasitic and Predatory.
Predatory is the Europeans landing in the new world. With superior culture, organization and technology, they simply drove the Native Americans out. (Disease helped.) But it was inevitable. Humans and other species fight for territory. If the Native Americans had the technology, etc, they would have gone and conquered the new world.
Parasitic immigration is what we have now. Various factions, races, national and religious groups in our society, left-liberals who want political power of votes, and the wealthy conservatives who want cheap labor promote this. The religious groups promoting the immigration of others also blind themselves to the danger.
Immigration or migration is a natural occurrence bound by the same rules that govern nature.
Parasites are parasites because that is all they can do. As plants, vines, they cannot support themselves, because they have no stability, no strength. As animals, etc., they cannot hunt on their own, actually bring down other animals, or forage for themselves.
Parasites will continue to act as parasites, even though they might destroy the very species that provides from them. They have no restraint. If their host dies, they look for another. That is all they can do.
A person coming into a country because they are better off in the new country is in a sense a parasite. We are a nation of immigrants. The predatory immigrants were first who displaced the Native Americans; the parasitic group was second.
Note that Jews were never able, and are not able today, to able to create a productive economy that will sustain the number in the world. . Israel is a wasteland, bereft of any natural resources, or much ability to farm. If there were no support from the US and US Jews, the whole thing would tank in a minute. The Hispanics have defunct societies that are corrupt and poor, so of course, they try to take over ours. Of course.
The presence of Kevin McDonald, this website and VDare give hope. Plus, I think Obama has been the best thing since sliced bread for America. That is, it is one thing to say the wolf is at the door, but another thing to have opened the door and let him in. Cleansing the Republican Party, ie the White Party of RINO’s, liberals etc, is fully recognized by Whites and others. The grass roots realizes all the problems, but focuses on simply a few.
The popularity of the AZ law and the fact of its passage indicates that the grass roots American people are not simply playing defense of immigration, but have moved to offense actively taking action to remove the country of legals. This is the first step in stopping this and eventually having a complete moratorium on immigration.
This is not to say I am optimistic, but rather I see White Republicans much more willing to fight than before. I went through my great awakening in 2001, and since that time, things have gotten worse in one sense, but better in another. That is an apathetic, middle American is now much more aware of what is at stake, where we are going, and doesn’t like it.
MOB says:
April 27, 2010 at 3:44 AM
“As a female, I see the reverse of misogyny taking place here. I see exhibitionist shtik being rewarded, lowered expectations and standards “just because she’s a female…. Screaming for attention does get people’s attention. The Comments are mostly about the author, not the article. That appears to be the goal.”
Cool it, honey. I’ve nothing against you personally. I’m just trying to do my job: to tell it like I see it, in my own words. If the “Comments are about the author, not the article,” how can I possibly be to blame?
I don’t write the Comments!
I wish people would discuss the article instead of doing precisely what YOU are doing: giving me, the author, a totally unwarranted attention by indulging in ad hominem attacks.
It seems you are incapable of discussing my article dispassionately — upon which I labored long and lovingly — except to tell us how much you loathe the article and its author. That is the extent of your criticism.
Believe me, dear MOB, I bear you no ill will for this discourtesy of yours. If you were actually to meet me, you might be prepared to accept I was human.
Curt @ April 26, 2010 at 1:36 PM
This is regarding “Goodbye America”… I read both parts of your article (twice) and I am in total agreement with your conclusion (”we are living in the last days of a dying civilization”).
Curt: Thank you for agreeing to copy and paste this comment from my personal email address onto this public forum. Here it will be read by thousands rather than by just me. I think you have made many valid and fascinating points.
However, I am not too happy with your easy agreement with my article’s conclusion that “we are living in the last days of a dying civilization.”
It might have helped to cheer me up a little if you had disagreed with me. As GK Chesterton said somewhere: “When things are hopeless, that’s when hope always comes to the rescue.”
Lucy said: “So it would appear that Eileen, a self-confessed ignoramus of the writings of Lasha Darkmoon, has nevertheless reached the uncharitable conclusion that Lasha Darkmon is a lousy researcher who is being “disrespectful to the memories of Channon and Christian” by her scant regard for the true facts.
I went back and had a look at the second of Darkmoon’s articles to see what she had written about the murders. I only read the portion related to the murders, but obviously I read it otherwise how would I know that Darkmoon mentioned that Channon’s breats had been cut off? (Duh.):
Darkmoon wrote: “They rape you first. They make you drink cleaning fluid. And then they hack off your breasts.”
Lucy said: “‘It’s not good to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime,’ Eileen points out sternly, suggesting that my sister Lasha Darkmoon is an irresponsible airhead who make up facts to suit herself.”
Lucy you are misrepresenting what I said. I clearly said that it’s “not good to perpetuate online inaccuracies about this horrible crime.” I did NOT say that Darkmoon made anything up. I meant that there are a lot of incorrect stories going around the internet about the murders and that we should all try not to repeat those incorrect stories.
You have falsely “re-stated” what I wrote. You are in error. And I don’t appreciate being falsely accused.
Lucy said: “And what of Kevin MacDonald, dear Eileen, is he equally irresponsible for allowing these ‘inacurate facts’ to be published on his website?”
If there are inaccuracies (which there are in this case), then yes, he has been irresponsible. Not equally to the author, though.
Lucy said: “As a responsible editor, KMD took the trouble to check out all Darkmoon’s facts against the exhaustive LINKS she supplied in the text.”
To check the veracity of anyone’s statements, one needs to check other, reliable sources, not just the sources offered by the author. Due diligence.
The Snopes article, for instance, references an article at the Knoxville News entitled: “Fiction vs. fact in the Christian-Newsom double homicide” (only available now on Google cache). From that article:
“Fiction: Christian’s breasts were cut off and Newsom’s penis severed.
“Fact: Neither Christian nor Newsom was mutilated, although both suffered tearing injuries from being repeatedly raped.”
This is the same information that was presented at the trials. Channon’s breasts were not cut off — that was clarified by the coroner under oath. No mention that I heard was ever made of Christopher having his penis cut off. I presume that would have been mentioned by the coroner (who, again, was under oath) if it had happened.
Lucy said: “Most of Darkmoon’s facts come from the second link [the VNN Forum].”
You think an ONLINE FORUM is a RELIABLE site for acquiring FACTS?? And the VNN poster’s source? The National Alliance. You think the National Alliance is a RELIABLE source?? Please. They have an agenda, of course, and may (unwittingly or on purpose) perpetuate the same inaccuracies about these homicides.
Look. I’m not picking on Lasha Darkmoon. Only the other day I pointed out on another website (Occidental Dissent) that the “fact” that 30,000 white women a year are raped by black men is NOT a fact at all, but rather a misquote of a misquote of a misquote. It’s like the old game of Telephone only online. “Facts” get repeated wrongly, many times by accident but sometimes on purpose. Stories get distorted. The truth gets lost.
I’m not saying, nor did I ever say or suggest, that Darkmoon “made up” anything. I’m just saying that she’s relied on questionable sources and that a couple of the “facts” that she presented are not facts at all.
Weakens one’s argument. If Lasha doesn’t care about that, that’s fine with me. But it’s unwise, I think.
Dear Mr. Kevin McDonald,
This my response to your in depth analysis of Dr. Darkmoon writings. Your essay demonstrated this young woman’s power and impact through her writing. She does make a difference!
Darkmoon article draw a bleak and scary picture.
That is frightening!
I have learned a lot by reading her perspective.
It was a lengthy article but worth the time invested.
She is an eye opener. Even her screen name she chose is though provocative.
Above all, I do admire her courage to tackle this issue.
I am sure most people who venture to do that in the past
were smeared, their intentions were challenged, and their
personal integrity was attacked. Some have their career ruined.
Most people in the America and the rest of Western world prefer
death over speaking publicly.
This was illustrated and explained by former Congressman Paul Finley in his book, “They dare to speak out.” written back in 1985. Mr. Finely served for 22 years in U.S. Congress.
To argue as some posters that Dr. Darkmoon is Antisemitic and troll who make white people look stupid is the farthest from the truth. In fact this young brave lady should be admired for her rare courage. She is an asset and brings pride to her race, faith, and gender, and country.
Those who unfairly attacked her on this site and attempted to discredit her , did so for only for three reasons: out of envy, jealously, and disloyalty to their country.
I have the pleasure of meeting her several years ago on another blog. I was fascinated by her writing style, honesty, and integrity. And yes, I do second the motion that this good Dr. is compassionate, and in-your-face. She is a tough cookie.
Last year, after a poster posted a derogatory comment about Jews on a blog, Dr. Darkmoon along with her sister took him to task, exposed him, tore him apart, shewed him up and spat him out. I could have not been more of proud of those two sisters. I have to add that I am a Palestinian.
Finally, this former veteran salute Dr. Darkmoon for her courage, her captivating writing style, and above all her love of Palestine
and its people. She does deserve a medal!
Darkmoon’s and Edmund Connelly’s articulate exposé of the societal consequences of Jewish behavior patterns influenced no doubt by Dr. MacDonald’s book trilogy should be required reading for the elite of the gentile community. Alas, one can only wish. Michael Ledeen’s description of the supposed historic mission of the United States from “The War Against the Terror Masters” is actually a precise accounting of how the uppercrust of the “chosenites” think of themselves.
Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. … [W]e must destroy them to advance our historic mission.
Eileen says:
“Only the other day I pointed out on another website (Occidental Dissent) that the ‘fact’ that 30,000 white women a year are raped by black men is NOT a fact at all, but rather a misquote of a misquote of a misquote.”
According to DOJ data for 2007, that “fact” is a fact!
Here’s a post I’ve used often on knoxnews.com, with updated link…if clicking on the link takes you to a DOJ page that doesn’t have at the top in big black letters, “Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2007 Statistical Tables,” then copy and paste the link…that seems to be working okay at the moment.
“Dept. of Justice figures for 2005 show over 37,000 black-on-white rapes of women, but virtually ZERO rapes of black women by whites.
(But didn’t we hear plenty about that ZERO black woman that was (not)raped by the Duke Lacrosse team, and hear NOTHING about the 37,000 whites that WERE raped by blacks!) .
DOJ figures for 2005 on violent interracial crime (Scroll down to Table 42):
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf
Also, if you compare the numbers in this table, the percentage of the black male population that rapes white women is 4 TIMES the percentage of the white male population that rapes white women.”
Injuries of Channon and Chris as described in court. The truth is quite bad enough as it is and has been known for almost a year.
I think the articles are great! And what happened to Elizabeth Whitcombe? Her articles were really good as well.
WOW! I just checked the table in the DOJ 2007 link I just gave, and the % entry for black on white rape/sexual assaults has been LOWERED to less than HALF what it was when I’ve linked that very same 2007 table in past years!!
The lowered % entry DOJ now has will give 14,000 black on white rape/sexual assaults in 2007 (rather than the 37,000 the same 2007 table gave up until recently), and still virtually zero white on black rapes/sexual assaults.
Amazing, because usually important information like this just “mysteriously” disappears, rather than just getting jiggered.
Oh, I see. By jiggering down that one entry….NO! They also jiggered up the % entry for white on white! The previous entry for that gave roughly 50,000 rapes of white women by white men in 2007, and the new entry gives roughly 140,000!
By jiggering down the black on white entry, and jiggering up the white on white entry, DOJ has made the rate of white on white sexual assault come out HIGHER than the rate of black on white sexual assault, whereas their previous entries had the black on white rate being 4 TIMES the white on white rate!
Nice trick, DOJ scumbags (and let me guess the likely ethnicity of the scumbags who were in the key positions to make that change)!!
Makes me furious, but what can one do. The table is now a lie, and useless as a citation.
Someday:
Thanks for the link, it is neigh impossible to get information about this case here in California–if it weren’t for the Internet, we wouldn’t know a thing.
Yet the teenage jerk that picked up a microphone in WalMarx as a prank merited National News 24/7 for days on end, including my local paper.
This is what the msm felt was not worth reporting:
“…Early on in the attack, she was orally raped, causing a membrane in her mouth to be torn, the doctor testified. She was raped vaginally and anally – more than once – over the course of her captivity, Mileusnic-Polchan said. At some point a few hours before her death, someone attacked her genital region, likely kicking her and perhaps even striking that area with an object, she said.
‘This was no simple rape,’ she said.
Christian was hog-tied and her lower body stuffed inside five different large black trash bags. A small white plastic grocery bag was wrapped around her face, and she was pushed down into a trash can. The medical examiner said she suffocated to death. Her eyes were still partially open when she died…”
If you have young, precious White daughters you MUST warn them about the dangers of predatory blacks, the msm, academia, intelligentsia and the government WON”T–lest you end up in court like Christian’s loved ones.
I cannot imagine the agony they must be going through as they hear the details of their daughter’s death and the msm believe it is not important enough to report.
Bon
Someday:
Here is a superb account of the crime from Nicholas Stix:
http://tinyurl.com/25hu88q
“However, I am not too happy with your easy agreement with my article’s conclusion that “we are living in the last days of a dying civilization.”
It might have helped to cheer me up a little if you had disagreed with me.”
– I am a realist. If there is no hope it is not “the Jews” fault, but that of our own people. As one of the earlier commenters has stated (I believe it was Joe Webb) :
“Jews are only doing what comes naturally to any People who have a sense of their Peoplehood, or Race. Exclusiveness is Natural and Biological and Darwinian”.
– That is spot-on and pretty much summarizes the fatal flaw of White people. This lack of a “sense of peoplehood” is evident in the average White’s unwillingness to help or support his or her own people. Contrast the average Jew with the average White: Jews give readily to their numerous organizations dedicated to helping Jewish people in various ways (and they are legion: B’nai Brith, JDL, ADL, and the hundreds of other alphabet soup organizations they support). Where are the White counterparts to these organizations? The very idea of helping other White people to advance in order to advance the group as a whole is alien to our race (that is, at least in my opinion and observation-if you can prove me wrong please do so). A White man MAY help his own family (and I have known some who will not even do that), he may help one or two personal friends, but to “stick his neck out” to help “strangers”? I think you get the idea. A current example of this is the situation over at “VDARE” . Once again, an organization which is trying to stem the tide of illegal immigration (surely that is an issue of importance to White Americans?) is drowning in red ink for lack of monetary support from its “constituency”.
The willingness of Jewry to help its own is in fact their most admirable trait, and as I wrote in my email to you, their amazing ability to cooperate with one another and pool financial resources and most of all- to strive as a group to advance toward a common goal over a very long period of time is fascinating to me. If only our people had a little bit of that trait as a racial group instead of our collective suicidal desire to exhibit “kindness toward strangers” for every racial group on the planet other than our own, we would not be facing The Death of Western Civilization today.
Barkingmad says:
April 26, 2010 at 8:44 AM
“…what really happened to Channon & (Christopher)…We need to get to the bottom of this….Let’s straighten this all out.”
First, for any readers who don’t know, this crime began with a carjacking of the couple, after which they were taken to the house of the chief defendant, Lemaricus Davidson, and tortured and murdered.
Here’s what I recall from listening to the Medical Examiner’s testimony in the trials of Cobbins and Davidson:
Channon Christian was raped orally…Cobbins admitted to that…with such force that her lip was torn from her gum. She was either beaten with an object, punched, or kicked in the area between her vagina and anus with such repeated force that the “blood had pooled” there (as the ME testified with angry vehemence repeatedly)
I don’t recall if she was raped anally, but she was raped vaginally, kept alive for two (or maybe three…I’m not certain) days, and then while still alive stuffed into large trash bags and then stuffed (upside down, I believe..not certain of that now) into a large trash can in the kitchen where she suffocated to death over a period of time (according to the ME), and where she was found when the police (a bit tardily BTW) searched Davidson’s house.
I might mention that photos of the bodies, showing their condition, were exhibited on a large screen in the courtroom to jury and spectators, but were not visible to audience like myself watching the proceedings on television.
Christopher Newsom was walked a very short distance from Davidson’s house the same night as the carjacking, to railroad tracks where he was shot three times, once in the head, and his body was wrapped in a quilt or blanket and partially but very extensively burned.
Before being shot, Christopher was raped anally with different objects in Davidson’s house, and those rapes were recorded on video (on cell phone, I think) by some one of the defendants.
I’ve always thought it very important to also bring up the circumstances of the carjacking itself, since those circumstances exhibit very vividly one way in which integration of the races has allowed such crimes.
The carjacking took place in the parking lot of an apartment complex where Christian was visiting that night a girlfriend of hers that she often stayed overnight with there, and where Lemaricus Davidson and a couple of the other defendants showed up that same night, apparently for Lemaricus to pay money he owed to a black “friend”/drug client of his who lived there, Ethel Freeman. Davidson had had a phone conversation earlier that day with Freeman telling her he’d arrive that night to pay her money for some furniture she’d sold him.
The point being that BEFORE INTEGRATION OF THE RACES, a nice middle-class white girl (Channon’s friend) would not have had a black drug client of a convicted black criminal (Davidson had served time for a previous carjacking) LIVING IN THE SAME APT. COMPLEX SHE LIVED IN, and the victims and the perps in this case wouldn’t have crossed paths in that parking lot.
I forgot the cleaning fluid poured down Channons throat, presumably to remove DNA evidence of the oral rape.
God, I am so f****** sick of this sick crime!!
I disagree with finger pointing and riling up the masses and the sleeping bear, which articles that Lasha writes certainly have the propensity to do. That is her wicked style, in which she excels. I think it is irresponsible to get the sleeping bear mad without having something to appease him or offer to him. Different people from different places excel in different ways. Jews have certain propensities, and are well know for their smarts and trading skills, etc. Allow people the proper channels for their talents. This is what will happen with every human on the earth, as we know ourselves, and find the correct niches, that contribute to harmony and peace. This leads to harmony and happiness for all. Stop finger pointing. It’s not what Jesus, a Jew, taught us. In the end it is only about loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves, which implies that we must love ourselves first and no matter who our neighbor is. I look forward to Lasha’s solution to the problem that she poses, otherwise this is irresponsible journalism. God has given us all the tools to fix the problems that we have created. We can lift up our fellows as easily as we can tear them apart.
Harumphty_Dumpty says:
April 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM
“…I forgot the cleaning fluid poured down Channons throat, presumably to remove DNA evidence of the oral rape…”
Nicholas Stix believes the cleaning fluid was poured down her throat not to erase DNA evidence, which was readily apparent in her vagina and anus, but to inflict even more torture upon her.
Yet the media still consider this ‘not a Hate Crime’ and claim that ‘Race had Nothing to do With It!’
You’re right about being f****** sick of this crime–but I’m more infuriated that coverage of this crime was suppressed and the racial angle played down when it was reported.
Is there any doubt that the evil msm is an enemy to Whites?
Bon writes:
“If you have young, precious White daughters you MUST warn them about the dangers of predatory blacks, the msm, academia, intelligentsia and the government WON”T…”
Indeed. Here’s what the institutions you mention have accomplished:
“Connors speculates that she might have run away in the awkward moments before David Francis attacked her had it not been for the fear that she’d appear racist.”
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=58&aid=143231
”The woman told detectives she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn’t want to seem racist.”
http://www.kget.com/mostpopular/story/Bakersfield-Police-Attacker-threatened-baby/hVZyOaYsn0qMdT7qByfdlA.cspx
“Artist” Thoroughly Ignorant, Disgusting, And Deceptive
(Apollonian, 27 Apr 10)
“Jill”: U’re a liar; Christ was NOT a Jew, Jew by definition a Talmudist. Christ was Galilean descended fm Judeans, perhaps, but NOT Jews, only about maybe 5-15% of Judeans of the time following Pharisees.
On the contrary Christ cursed the Pharisees, hence Jews, as u’ll see at Gosp. MATT ch. 23–ck all 39 verses (“ye vipers, ye serpents”). Christ was UN-QUESTIONABLY ANTI-SEMITIC (anti-Talmud) as u can see at Gosp. MARK 7:1-13.
“Jill,” u really ought to ck into what Talmud preaches: hatred and warfare towards gentiles–this is the simple fact–see RevisionistHistory.org and Come-and-hear.com. And all reality and history shows this warfare in form of sheerest CRIMINALITY is what Jew monsters practice.
CONCLUSION: Don’t u feel soooooo STUPID giving such Jew-friendly advice and telling such brainless, moronic lies based upon such gross idiotic ignorance?–for that’s assuredly how u come off looking–what a brilliant artist u are, truly. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
(Bon, I realize it’s an extremely minor and probably unimportant point, but in my compulsive way I’ll say that I’m rather sure that Cobbins’ DNA connected him only to the oral rape of Channon, so it’s possible that Cobbins poured the cleaning fluid down her throat and didn’t care about the DNA of the other defendants who raped her vaginally or anally).
“I disagree with finger pointing and riling up the masses and the sleeping bear”
– This mentality is an example of what is wrong with White people, Jill. Yes, that’s right, stick your head in the sand and hide from reality.
“This leads to harmony and happiness for all. Stop finger pointing. It’s not what Jesus, a Jew, taught us.”
– Sigh; so we should “turn the other cheek” until we are all dispossessed, penniless, homeless without country and our heritage? There are many who question whether Jesus was in reality a Jew. Observe that Jews will do whatever is in their power to “save” one of their own from righteous Gentile justice (Jonathan Pollard, mentioned in Lasha’s article is just one example-there are many others) yet the Jews went out of their way to have Jesus killed by the Romans-very UNcharacteristic.
“It’s not what Jesus, a Jew, taught us.”
– Jesus’ “teachings” are not conducive to the longevity of our race. There are those among us who feel that Christianity is THE very worst thing that ever happened to White people.
“In the end it is only about loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves, which implies that we must love ourselves first and no matter who our neighbor is. ”
-Pablum
“I look forward to Lasha’s solution to the problem that she poses, otherwise this is irresponsible journalism.”
-What problem is that? She has listed a number of historical and Jewish engineered events which have in concert brought about the demise of Western Civilization. She has shed light on the problem for people who are concerned about the situation at hand. Neither she nor what she has written are the problem, rather the problem is with those among us who will not face the ugly truth of the situation that has come about through our willingness to ignore it.
Pessimism? Hopeless? Think that the end is nigh?
Nah, Dr Darkmoon and the whole Western world is just suffering from a bout of ‘depressive realism’ – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressive_realism
Who can blame us though? Jewish-dominated and Jewish-corrupted modernity is sickening and depressing in so many ways that I long ago lost count.
I really don’t know whether to laugh or cry over all the people who have posted here arguing over one detail of the brutal killing of Newsome and Channon. It is an indisputable fact that they were both brutally tortured over a protracted period of time. Inaccuracies over some details in relating the incident will happen. This is especially true when the media makes such a concerted effort at censoring the story to serve their agenda. It really does not matter to me if LD’s article has one or two unintentional “inaccuracies” in it. We all know that the MSM has plenty of very intentional inaccuracies, embellishments, and occasionally downright lies and distortion evident in some of their “pet” stories, yet many of us do not chide them enough over that.
Harumphty_Dumpty said: “According to DOJ data for 2007, that ‘fact’ is a fact!”
No, it’s not a fact. It’s not correct at all.
First of all, you’re mixing up 2005 and 2007. The quote you’ve lifted from the KnoxNews site, this quote…
“Dept. of Justice figures for 2005 show over 37,000 black-on-white rapes of women, but virtually ZERO rapes of black women by whites.”
…relates to 2005, not 2007. Of course the 2007 data doesn’t match the 2005 data — those are two different years.
The 30,000 figure that’s bandied about online all the time is from the 2005 Dept. of Justice report which can be found here. The infamous Table 42 is on page 55.
It shows 37,460 rapes AND sexual assaults of WHITE VICTIMS by black perpetrators (111,490 White victims by 33.6% black perpetrators).
Note that that is 37,460 rapes AND sexual assaults, NOT just rapes. Unfortunately, stats are not given for the two crimes separately, so we don’t know how many were actually rapes and how many were “just” sexual assaults.
Also, the genders of the victims are not offered, so there could be men victims here as well, although you would think that the vast majority of the victims were women.
So, we don’t know from this report EXACTLY how many white women were raped by black men in 2005. It was, though, clearly many, many more than white men raping black women since no one reported on this at all in the National Crime Victimization Survey for 2005 from which these data are drawn. (Note that these figures do NOT come from police or court reports.)
I haven’t looked at the 2007 report, so I don’t know what that says.
The Color of Crime report (and the authors of that report seem reliable to me — they have done their due diligence on all facts as far as I can tell) state on page 12:
“There were an average of 15,400 black-on-white rapes every year during this period [that's between 2001 and 2003]…. By contrast, there were only 900 “white”-on-black rapes every year….”
Note, again, that they do not specific rapes of females, only rapes. So, in 2001, 2002, and 2003, there was an average of 15,400 rapes of whites by blacks.
Shockingly, later in the Color of Crime the authors state:
“…blacks committed 10,000 gang-rapes against whites between 2001 and 2003….”
That’s ca. 3,333 gang-rapes of whites by blacks in the years 2001, 2002, and 2003. That’s shocking!
It’s easy to mix up all these numbers, and when one sees 30,000 quoted by folks on a lot of different sites, it’s easy to think that it must be right. I’ve mixed up the numbers myself. But, I think it’s really important to be right on the numbers ’cause otherwise we can wind up looking like idiots in a debate. There is undoubtedly WAAAAY more rapes of white women by black men than vice versa — we don’t need to inflate the numbers, either by error or on purpose (not sayin’ that you did, but I do think it’s happening out there).
Eileen, your posts are excellent, and Lucy Skipping, your posts defending your “sister” (as you say) Dr. Darkmoon’s inaccuracies concerning the Christian/Newsom crime are appalling, especially in the absurd notion you seem to have that any link is a good link.
I’m embarrassed for Kevin MacDonald, and concerned for this blog, that Dr. Darkmoon (whose comparison of present-day U.S. and pre-war Germany in part one I thought was excellent) hasn’t yet apologized for those inaccuracies, and for supporting them with the link she did, in spite of her having already responded to other perhaps more intellectually interesting matters on the thread.
But maybe she hasn’t had time yet.
I agree with Daybreaker April 26, 2010 at 3:13 PM who urges Dr. MacDonald to “advise” his writers on this blog to maintain his own high standards of “saying only what can credibly be backed up,”
Curt says: “It really does not matter to me if LD’s article has one or two unintentional ‘inaccuracies’ in it. We all know that the MSM has plenty of very intentional inaccuracies, embellishments, and occasionally downright lies and distortion evident in some of their ‘pet’ stories, yet many of us do not chide them enough over that.”
I think it’s very important to get the facts straight. (I guess my opinion on this is obvious by now. ;-) )
Sure, the MSM is full of inaccuracies, but does that make you trust them more? Do you consider the MSM a reliable place to get news/info on the world? Probably not otherwise you wouldn’t be here.
I don’t think there’s any need to exaggerate any of the details of crimes committed against whites or the numbers of crimes committed by different groups out there. The details/numbers are already horrible in themselves — they need no embellishment.
If we are going to show other white folks out there what life is currently like in our “multi-culti” world — and how bad it will get if we continue on this path — I think we need to be honest. The minute those who are against us spot an error in our reporting, you bet it will be broadcast far and wide.
Obviously, unintentional inaccuracies are unintentional and they will happen. We all do that. But, when those inaccuracies are pointed out, a simple “oh, thanks” will suffice — not a “killing of the messenger.”
Harumphty_Dumpty said: “Here’s what I recall from listening to the Medical Examiner’s testimony in the trials of Cobbins and Davidson.”
Your account of what you heard in the trials matches exactly with what I recall from the trials (I watched the trials online). Channon was also raped anally. My gut tells me that that Vanessa Coleman is the one who kicked Channon in the vaginal area. She probably hated that white girl and wanted to hurt her there, but I have no proof obviously. Just what my gut says.
Eileen, at risk of seeming obsessed, I’m still going to say that there’s a difference between unintentional inaccuracies (which are unavoidable to even the most careful researcher), and an apparently hurried gathering up of claims from any source whatsoever.
The latter appears to me to be what Dr. Darkmoon did on the Knoxville horror, and I’d much prefer to be able to trust that she will apply the same high standard of accuracy to her writing on this site as I assume she uses in academia.
(And now on to your post about the crime stats…yow!)
To Eileen April 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM, post on crime stats on rape/sexual assault:
Thank you, thank you! I hadn’t noticed that I was confounding Table 42 for 2007 with Table 42 for 2005!
The former can be found by scrolling down to Table 42 here,
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0702.pdf
and the latter by scrolling down to Table 42 here:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
Now let’s notice something VERY, VERY INTERESTING (!!!!) in comparing these two tables!!!
(Dealing with these numbers may be slightly tedious, but I guarantee any reader that it will be very well worth it!)
For simplicity, let’s reasonably assume that the victims are percentage-wise almost entirely women.
From the 2005 table:
Total rapes/sexual assaults of white women: 111,490
% of those attacks committed by whites: 44.5
% of those attacks committed by blacks: 33.6
From the 2007 table:
Total rapes/sexual assaults of white women: 185,430
% of those attacks committed by whites: 75.5 (compare with figure for 2005!!)
% of those attacks committed by blacks: 7.6 (compare with figure for 2005!!!)
HEY!!! In two years, the percentage of rapes of white women that were committed by BLACKS dropped from 33.6%, to 7.6% ?????!!!!!
And the percentage of rapes of white women that were committed by WHITES rose from 44.5%, to 75.5% ??!!
NO, I DON’T THINK SO!!!
Note that the figures for 2005 have black men raping white women at a rate roughly 4 TIMES the rate at which white men rape white women (you have to compute in the white population being several times the black population…I forget the exact multiple I used)
But the figures for 2007 have black men raping white women at a rate slightly LESS than the rate at which white men rape white women!
How very, very convenient!
Dem’dar figures from de DOJ done been JIGGERED (pardon my misspelling of that word)
Nuts. Last sentence should have been:
“Dem’dar figures from de DOJ fo’ 2007 done been JIGGERED (pardon my misspelling of that word)”
Eileen says:
April 27, 2010 at 7:11 AM
You have falsely “re-stated” what I wrote. You are in error. And I don’t appreciate being falsely accused.
Eileen: I apologize unreservedly for any offense I gave you. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I’ve just reread all your posts and have reached the conclusion that you know a great deal more about the Newsome-Channon case than many other people on this site. Certainly much more than I do.
Bear in mind, however, that there is no Authorized Version of the crime under discussion. You say no penis was cut off and no breasts were hacked off. I’m willing to concede the possibility that you are absolutely right. So is Lasha. After all, you say you actually attended court proceedings. That goes for a lot.
And yet, Eileen, what are we to make of a crime where so much is rumor and where so many conflicting stories exist? How are we to sort the wheat from the chaff?
I think you will agree that Lasha’s account of this crime, however horrible it was in its graphic details, is far less sensational than some of the stories mentioned by others on this website.
For example:
Harumphty_Dumpty says: April 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM
And then there is Curt here:
Curt says: April 27, 2010 at 12:19 PM
May I quote Curt in his entirety? It seems to me he speaks for most people on this site. I give in bold print the points that need emphasizing:
“I really don’t know whether to laugh or cry over all the people who have posted here arguing over one detail of the brutal killing of Newsome and Channon.
It is an indisputable fact that they were both brutally tortured over a protracted period of time. Inaccuracies over some details in relating the incident will happen.
This is especially true when the media makes such a concerted effort at censoring the story to serve their agenda.
It really does not matter to me if LD’s article has one or two unintentional “inaccuracies” in it. We all know that the MSM has plenty of very intentional inaccuracies, embellishments, and occasionally downright lies and distortion evident in some of their “pet” stories, yet many of us do not chide them enough over that.
Curt says it well, Eileen. Lasha can hardly be expected to get every detail right if those details remain ever elusive and controversial. She is, however, trying her best. More than this she cannot do.
It is important to knock oneself out getting details accurate so that our enemies don’t use our mistakes against us. That’s all.
If a writer is not certain of details because they are elusive and controversial, then maybe he or she should say so in their article. It is true that the MSM doesn’t give a **** about truth & accuracy, but we unfortunately are expected to be different.
Harumphty_Dumpty says:
April 27, 2010 at 2:39 AM
Dr Lasha Darkmoon, in Goodbye, America! (Part 2), TOO, writes:
“…the black woman…a kitchen knife in her hand, waiting to cut off your sweetheart’s penis. This happens…White Lady, it’s TIME FOR YOUR BREASTS TO BE CUT OFF!…they hack off your breasts…
This happened in January, 2007, near Knoxville, Tennessee, to Christopher Newsom (23) and his girlfriend Channon Christian (21)”
NO, THIS DID NOT HAPPEN!
[SNIP]
I’ve recently come to TOO with high hopes, and a response to my post by Dr. Darkmoon would be much appreciated.
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Hi Harumphty,
My sister Lucy Skipping speaks for both of us when she concedes that the details presented by Eileen could be correct, i.e., that no penis or breasts were actually cut off.
It appears, however, that there is no Authorized Version of this crime. Nor can there be. As there can be no Authorized Version of 9/11.
There is an old Latin tag that says it best, Harumphty: Quot homines, tot opiniones. So many men, as many opinions.
If you will read the following posts, I think you will be satisfied. The second post is the latest one and it sums up our position, especially the eminently sensible quotation from Curt.
[1] Lucy Skipping says: April 27, 2010 at 1:38 AM
[2] Lucy Skipping says: April 27, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Understand this: The article was NOT about the Newsome-Christian crime. That was a minor detail, a mere feature in the landscape. So try and get things in perspective.
The article was about the death of America and the coming doom of the White race.
To Lasha Darkmoon,
Thanks for your response. To be honest, I suspect that the best perspective on the accuracy issue we’re discussing probably lies somewhere between your perspective and my own.
Curt posted on the matter:
“It is an indisputable fact that they were both brutally tortured over a protracted period of time….It really does not matter to me if LD’s article has one or two unintentional ‘inaccuracies’ in it.”
I’m afraid this reminds me of a conversation I once had with an assistant to “skeptic” (what a joke) Michael Shermer, who told me that since I accepted that mass shootings of Jews by Germans occurred on the Eastern front during WWII, why would I quibble over whether or not masses of Jews were also gassed.
And yet we know what has been accomplished by the religion of the gas chambers, and how few among the masses even know of the mass shootings of Jews that actually occurred.
Similarly, the cutting off of sexual organs has an emotional impact beyond the equally horrible things that were actually done to the couple. I would hate to see an eventually triumphant white movement base itself partly on iconic worship of Ms. Christian’s (non)severed breasts and Christopher Newsom’s (non)severed penis.
Stranger things have happened. Namely, “The Holocaust®”
Just keepin’ it real…
OFF TOPIC. READER, SKIP THIS POST. IT IS HIGHLY IRRELEVANT!
Fabricius says:
April 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM
“I would like Darkmoon to defend her statement that Eliot is the greatest poet of the twentieth century. What works by Eliot justify this position? I don’t hate TS Eliot, but past the early poems in Proofrock and other Observations, I don’t find much to like.”
In saying that TS Eliot is the greatest poet of the 20th century, I am of course just giving my opinion.
Someone else has suggested on this blog that Ezra Pound was a far greater poet. I commonly hear this being said on anti-Zionist blogs. The only reason for this is that Pound’s political views appeal to these people more than Eliot’s.
He was the more virulently anti-Semitic; usury was his big hang-up. He was imprisoned for his subversive, politicaly incorrect views. This make him a hero in many people’s eyes. These people adulate Pound for all the wrong reasons.
His poetry, which they ought to be considering, doesn’t even enter the equation. It is inaccessible to most intellects, including my own.
When I wish to enjoy a poem, the last thing I want to see on the page before me is a Chinese ideogram surrounded by a phalanx of words that are, to my mind, totally incomprehensible.
So much for Pound.
It’s interesting to note that Eliot dedicated The Waste Land to Pound and here addressed Pound as il miglior fabbro: the greater workman. He was beng polite. Not for a moment did he think Pound was a better poet than he was. Pound helped to edit The Waste Land. Apparently this masterpiece would have been far less attractive without Pound’s inspired editorial skills. All I know is: Eliot actually wrote all the lines.
One way of deciding the greatness of a poet — though such an approach has its hazards — is to see how quotable the poet is. Obviously if nothing you say is worth quoting, you can’t be much of a writer. It so happens that the most quotable poet of all time is Shakespeare — and he happens to be the world’s greatest poet. It’s the same with the Bible. If you go through the Oxford Book of Quotations, you find there are more Bible quotes and Shakespeare quotes than from any other literary source.
What does this have to do with Eliot? This: Eliot is far more quotable than almost any other 20th century poet.
If you go through the Oxford Book of Modern Quotations, for example, you find that Eliot yields 86 quotations, whereas Pound only yields 22. Yeats yields 72, Auden 65, Hardy 22. The only poet who exceeds Eliot is Kipling: he scores 102 entries.
Yet no one with any sense could argue that Kipling was a greater poet than Eliot. His subject matter just wasn’t that important. His appeal was merely to the jingoistic types of the British Empire.
Eliot’s greatness consists in the importance of his themes. He felt passionately about all the things that mattered. What oft was thought but ne’er so well expressed applied par excellence to Eliot. His greatest poems are The Four Quartets, a mystical masterpiece, and The Waste Land. But his other poems are almost equally amazing: The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, Gerontion, The Hollow Men, Ash Wednesday.
And what lines! So memorable!
After such knowledge, what forgiveness?
Human kind
Cannot bear too much reality.
In my beginning is my end.
This is the way the word ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
In the rooms the women come and go
Talking of Michaelangelo.
I have measured out my life with coffee spoons.
These fragments I have shored against my ruin.
I think we are in rats’ alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.
I think these lines, and others like them, are unbeatable. They bear the stamp of genius. What other 20th century poet wrote like this?
None that I know of.
Wow, I’m certain of one thing…who I wish I’d had for an English teacher.
Harumphty_Dumpty said: “Dem’dar figures from de DOJ fo’ 2007 done been JIGGERED (pardon my misspelling of that word)”
Heh. Could be. ;-) Certainly many gov’t agencies are well-practiced in presenting stats in ways that they like them to appear.
There are, though, problems with these stats, as there so often are problems with stats in general.
First of all, these numbers come from the National Crime Victimization Survey, which (not surprising from the name) is a survey of people. They call up ca. 77,000 people every year and ask them if they’ve been a victim of a crime that year (or maybe it’s the last six months — something like that). Then they tally all the results and produce this report.
So, these data are NOT from data of reported crimes like police or court stats. The argument for this survey is that a lot of crime goes unreported so we need to have a way to find out the actual levels of crime out there. Which is a good idea. But, heck, anybody could answer whatever they want to a survey.
Also, all these numbers are estimates then based on the results of the survey. 77,000 people answer yes they were a rape victim or no, and then extrapolations are made for the whole country. And sometimes the number of samples they have is not so hot. Look at the stats for 2007 — the black-on-white figure is based on a sample of 10 or less responses. Is that representative? Who knows? Could’ve been a lot higher than the 7.6% rate like you said. Could’ve been lower for that matter.
I think that the Color of Crime folks drew their data from other places besides just the NCVS — I think. Their results are pretty consistent for 2001-2003 — ca. 15,000 rapes of whites by blacks per year each of those years. That’s the approx. number (14,092) for 2005 from the DoJ. I think that if any number should be bandied about on the internet it should be that number, not the 30,000.
That’s still WAY more than white-on-black rapes. And the figure of ca. 3,333 black-on-white GANG rapes ought to really be pointed out. I mean, good Lord!
Oh, I should mention that, of course, there are a lot more white women in America than black women, so there are more white women “available” to rape if you’re looking around with the idea of raping someone. On the other hand, there are a lot more white men in the country than black men, and they are not at all raping at the levels of black men. Black men do seem to be over-represented in the rape/sexual assault category — just as they are in other violent crimes and crimes in general.
Lucy said: “After all, you say you actually attended court proceedings.”
Actually, I said that I watched the trials online.
Lucy said: “Bear in mind, however, that there is no Authorized Version of the crime under discussion.”
Sorry, but I just don’t hold with this sort of thinking. We may not know all the details of what happened when Channon and Christopher were brutally murdered, but we DO have the testimony of the medical examiner (I referred to her mistakenly as the coroner earlier) who clarified the questions about mutilation. The Knoxville News also clarified these points. There’s no need to continue to perpetuate these “Unforgiven“-like myths.
Stirring up people with rousing language and imagery is one thing (a good thing!). Misinforming people is something else.
Barkingmad (above) had an excellent solution:
“If a writer is not certain of details because they are elusive and controversial, then maybe he or she should say so in their article.”
T.S. Eliot said:
Human kind
Cannot bear too much reality.
~~~~~
Yes, indeed! One of my favorite poets, too, btw. :-)
Eileen:
Aha, “10 sample cases or less”, that can explain a bit. (And I noticed that asterisk too, but…but….ah, no excuse).
I’ve kept up with the trials in Knoxville so closely (like you) that I’m going to give up trying to be objective about the accuracy question discussed on this thread.
I’m sympathetic to how difficult it is to ferret out the truth about things one isn’t familiar with, but therefor one has to sacrifice a little flash and dash most of the time in order to stick to the things that one (thinks one) knows.
One thing I know….any of the Knoxvillians who have followed the trials, and there are many, would have been totally turned off to this site if they’d come here and seen those exaggerated comments about the crime. The people who post on knoxnews.com are very aware of what was done to those kids and what wasn’t.
Of course, if almost any of those posters in Knoxville came to this site, they’d be turned off long before they got that far. After 2 or 3 years of posting there, I agree with the WNs who say that trying to change the mass of sheeple with facts and reasoning is hopeless. I’ve never seen a mass of people less interested in learning anything new.
I feel and understand the despair and the sense of doom, but just like Dees’ collages Darkmoon’s article is a questionable mash-up in a somewhat hysterical conspiracy lunatic’s style. For example, I don’t really see how an occult fringe figure such as Aleister Crowley fits into this picture, except for making it look even more sinister and diabolic to the easily impressable. There is too much superficially evaluated stuff being thrown in here.
Another thing is that Darkmoon seems to fall into this unforgiveably naive trap of the notion that “all was well with this world” until all of sudden Darwin came, later to be followed by all these malicious evil-doers that corrupted all that was pure and good. Come on, please. Nietzsche’s Death of God started long before that, in the Enlightenment period, maybe even before. And the world never was “all well”, nor “God in his Heaven” as poets dream things up to be. The world from the beginning always has been a cruel, unjust, bloody slaughterhouse with human animals struggling for survival. And there is no need to abandon God to get a license to “do what thou wilt” and commit unimaginable atrocities to fellow men. In fact history proves the contrary. Just read a history of the Middle Ages if you have any doubts about that. That doesnt mean that to deny that there were times when healthy ethical systems kept civilisation favourably together.
The collapse of the Christian faith that proved the mindset, basis, shelter and transcendence of the Occidental world certainly is linked to the rise of Science and Enlightenment. But see, the point is that they got a point here. Who would not agree or at least be moved by Darwin’s Schopenhauerian meditation about his failure to see how a God would have created this absurdly merciless tooth-and-claw-nature? The problem of Nihilism at the End of the Western World goes far deeper than all the Jewish scapegoats you can beat up, and who in the end were mere catalysators of a process that was set in motion when they still sat inside their ghettoes, and who, as soon as they secularised and emancipated, themselves merely reacted with messianic ideas and radicalizations to that epic and tragical crisis that Nietzsche described in “The Gay Science”.
Messianism is the key here: nobody wants to consciously create, as Lasha claims, “Hell on Earth”. On the contrary: the attack on the existing values was being perceived as a dialectic step of destruction which would be followed by the creation of a redeemed, perfect, Messianic world. Marxism certainly follows that pattern. This is essentially Jewish thinking, but through Christian culture it is also deep inside the Occidental mind itself. Hitler for example was very much taken in to Messianic ideas as well. In fact he somewhat ripped off the Jews with his Weltanschauung, especially the racial part of it.
Anyway, keep in mind that these attacks were aimed at a structure already in decay and corruption, not at a healthy innocent organism. Again, read Nietzsche on that, or Spengler, and other thinkers of the Conservative Revolution who too felt that a big wreckage was necessary.
Thus it means to take the utterly wrong track to ask who began the Great Despair, as if it came out of the blue and as if there had been no reason to despair. The despair was the result of the breakdown of Christianity and religious transcendence combined with social crisis of the Industrial Age, and Lasha has to see whether she manages to go back to be a True Believer. Like it or not it was essentially Christianity and the beliefs attached to it that carried and created the Occident. Any attempts in the modern age to create a Weltanschauung, ideology, Ersatz-religion etc can be traced back to the need to fill this terrible gap and vacuum that followed after the Death of God. This applies as well to Communism, Socialism, Monism, Materialism, Marxism, National socialism, White Nationalism, New Ageism, Eugenics, Neo-Paganism, “Satanism”, “Democracy” etc. You name it. We are still fixing that gigantic hole, with miserable results. This is the larger picture.
In 1968 , Martin Heidegger famously said in an interview: “Only a God can save us now.”
Two minor inaccuracies: Freud’s attitude towards sexuality became more and more pessimist in his later years. In fact he was rather an advocate for sexual repression than its liberation, as he regarded the repression of the dark forces of the “Id” as the conditional founding stone of culture. See “Civilisation and its Discontents” for that. Sexual liberation advocates have misused Freud, and he cannot be blamed. However psychoanalysis proved to be an effective instrument of mental corruption, but thats another story.
Georg Lukacs was not a “founder”, but at best only loosely connected to Frankfurt School, whose real founders such as Adorno and Marcuse were about twenty years younger than him. He certainly had an influence though.
Dr. MacDonald writes:
“I tried to make sure that what she writes is accurate but to allow her to present her emotional appeal, toning it down and eliminating quite a bit of material that I thought was needlessly offensive…But I left in the section where she depicts the horrific crimes against Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom — even though she thought I would remove them. Probably most TOO readers have heard this crime discussed, but Darkmoon’s treatment hits home emotionally in a way that I have never seen.”
Dr. MacDonald, I’ve been so close to the trials in this case that I find it hard to put myself in the shoes of someone who is unfamiliar with the case, and to imagine what their difficulties might be in separating fact from fiction about the case.
But even at the link that Dr. Darkmoon provided as support for her depiction, such an attempt was made to some degree, and doubt cast on the stronger elements that are in fact false that Dr. Darkmoon used.
So I’m very interested, if you care to comment, if you expressed any concern to her about the sourcing of this information, its accuracy…I don’t know quite what it is I want to ask, but there’s something here that’s disturbing me a lot.
I would think that the FIRST concern of an author and her editor would be ACCURACY, and that concerns over the effect of the emotional appeal would be quite secondary.
Thank you.
Eileen @ April 27, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Theres a lot of things questionable about the National Crime Victimization Survey as you said.
What is the true race of the victim being ask and of the victimizer? What if a person being ask their race said they were 1/2, 1/4 etc. Indian or whatever and was a little bit confused about who they are or their attacker and the person doing the asking (who very well could be motivated by race to begin with) helped them decide by skewing most cases like this to the white category.
There are about 4 million I believe Middle Easterners in this Country counted as white and I am not even including Jews in that that make up 6 million more. Race has become extremely blured in this Country with all the 1/4 or so Indians and this and that. If you put the President of Iran in Iowa and gave him a mid western accent and put a cap on him most people would see him as another white man. If he raped or assaulted a woman they would say he was white.
Does this survey take in good accurate population size and demographics into consideration?
And the most important thing of all is what do women consider rape and sexual assault? When the surveyor ask a woman has she been sexually assaulted over the last year she may think back to last month when a co-worker put his hand on her back or leg and say yes I was sexually assaulted, and another woman will be asked if she has been raped over the last year and she may think back to 4 months ago when she had sex with a guy but had doubts at the last moment but didn’t say anything and the sex was weak and then say yes I was raped.
Many cases like this would involve white men and women since they associate with one another much more often.
One of the most disturbing things to me is the fascination women seem to have with rape. I have read studies that showed that 48% of women consistently fantasize about being raped. I have read that women several decades ago use to fantasize about being raped by sea pirates. I have been told by a few past girlfriends to “rape me”. The female mind can be a very strange place and a bit scary. Women are BIG on fantasizing!
Now rape and sexual assaults are disgusting crimes (if they are real) and I believe that real forced rape should get death for the act.
One more thing about crime, the official gov. crime stats count a LOT of non whites as white. I have seen MANY pictures of jailed criminals on the internet that was categorized as white but clearly was not! Many had middle eastern and hispanic names, I have seen some counted as white that looked at least 30%/40% black.
I also saw a poll a few months ago where I think 24% of Americans consider Obama to be white.
“On the other hand, there are a lot more white men in the country than black men, and they are not at all raping at the levels of black men.”
White Men also aren’t raping White Women at anything like the rate Black Men are:
“Looking at the 2005 FBI Uniform Crime Report we find that though Blacks are only 12.4% of the US Population, they commit 33.6% of the rapes of White females.
This means that even if we assume totally random racial assortment, where a White female is just as likely to encounter the average Black male as she is to encounter the average White male, we would still have to conclude that a Black male is 2.7 times more likely to rape a White female than the average male she encounters.
But here’s the thing: There’s clearly not random racial assortment in America, so the increased rape risk to a White female for every Black male she encounters is even greater than that.
Probably the closest thing we can find to a meaningful estimate of what percentage of the Males encountered by a White female are Black is to look at how Black a neighborhood the average White lives in.
I found some data taken from the 2000 Census saying the average White lives in a neighborhood that is 6.7% Black.
There are two problems with using this as the baseline for the Percentage of Rapes of White females committed by Blacks though:
1. It is only data for Metropolitan Counties, and leaves out Rural Counties that have fewer Blacks.
2. It fails to take into account the effects of intra-neighborhood racial assortment resulting from implicit Whiteness. For example, it could be there’s a neighborhood that’s 50% White and 50% Black, but where the Whites primarily go to the restaurant that serves food White people like, while the Blacks go to the restaurant that serves food Black people like. This sort of thing will create a situation where even in a 50% Black neighborhood, the White females living there will have much less than 50% of the males they encounter be Black.
So bear very closely in mind that using 6.7% as the proportion of Black people met by White females is likely a strong overestimation, and therefore that the figures below underestimate the degree of increased rape risk a White female incurs when she encounters a Black male.
White Males Black Males
Percent of Encounters 80.2% 6.7%
Percent of Rapes 44.5% 33.6%
Impact Value .55 5.01
This means that while the average Black male encountered by a White female is 5.01 Times more likely to rape her than the average male, the average White male she encounters is almost half as likely to rape her as the average male. It also implies that if a White female encounters a White and Black male, the Black is 9.1 times more likely to rape her than the White.
It is all too clear from this data that Black rapists are deliberately targeting White females. This could be because of racial hatred for Whites, and possibly also because they perceive White females as being more sexually desirable than women of their own race.
Strong evidence in favor of the racial animus explanation playing a crucial role here can be found in the fact that when a Black man marries a White woman, he is 82% more likely to Murder her than if he was married to a Black women.”
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=376
Agreed on Eliot – more lines of his:
“April is the cruellest month, breeding lilacs out of the dead land…”
“Let us go there you and I where the evening is stretched out beneath the sky like a patient etherized upon a table…”
“Unreal city / Under the brown fog of a winter dawn…”
“Because I do not hope to turn again / Because I do not hope / Because I do not hope to turn…”
“Remember us—if at all—not as lost/ Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men…”
and so on…
Readers interested in the Christian/Newsom torture/murder case may find interesting the remarks below that I just made in an email to a friend/fellow poster (I watched two of the televised trials):
“Yes, there was at least one striking anomaly that came out in the trials, and that was a late night phone call from Channon Christian to her father, at a late hour that had to be after the carjacking, in which her father picked up no hint at all that anything was wrong. Her father is adamant that there is no way he would have not detected something in her voice in such circumstances. Presumably he is mistaken, but…who knows. Other explanations are possible…in one of the trials, the defense incurred the everlasting enmity of Knoxvillians by raising repeatedly the implication that the couple had been willing visitors/drug clients to the house they were taken to and where the crimes were committed.
I considered the prosecution to be very dedicated to trying to get the death penalty for these defendants (the black prosecutor, Takisha Fitzgerald, was reasonably able, and certainly very well-liked, by myself, and by almost everyone in Knoxville apparently…a very deserved affection, in my opinion…a fine lady of the sort that makes our present race problem so intractable!)….I find it extremely hard to believe that the prosecution would have engaged in any cover-up of anything that had been done to the couple. And I have even more difficulty in believing that the medical examiner would have tolerated it…she was quite clearly in a state of inner wrath at what had been done to the couple, and at one point was “admonished” by Judge Baumgartner in his courtly but folksy way that it wasn’t necessary for her to go on at quite so much length in response to every question.”
Channon-Christian Murder Symptomatic Of Large Cultural Disaster
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
The Newsom-Christian murder is simply outstanding case-in-pt. for Jew incitement of gentile in-fighting and thus distraction fm basic Jew/subjectivism/hubris problem for the culture in CYCLIC, hubristic, “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler.
(a) Thus Jews and accomplices encourage general conflict among gentiles.
(b) Jews (and accomplices) encourage blacks to attacking whites.
(c) Jews endorse idea blacks are owed by whites.
(d) Jews reward blacks for murdering whites by giving blacks reduced sentences when convicted, this along with large, general corruption of the entire legal system and culture.
CONCLUSION: So note then gentiles, white and non-white, must begin to face this Jew problem which reflects deep-seated general problem of large culture, hubris and Western “Decline…,” etc. Necessary solution is Aristotelian objectivity and determinist rejection of “good-evil” Pelagianism, thus removal of that KEY fraud and mechanism, US Fed COUNTERFEITING–in short, Christian revolution and Jew-Expulsion. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“So note then gentiles, white and non-white, must begin to face this Jew problem ”
– for the non-whites the Jew (at least here, in the US) is not a “problem”. You will note that the White’s here are suffering unemployment while coloreds are elevated into positions of status and authority (which they usually can’t handle) at our expense. The various “people of color” have benefitted from the Jew. Why should they defy them?
Pelagianism= “views humanity as basically good and morally unaffected by the Fall” (meaning here; “original sin”). So I for one, do not understand your phrase “good-evil Pelagianism”. Evil seemingly does not enter into the picture in the description of human kind by this “philosophy”. To the Pelagian all of human kind is “good”.
You seem to be calling for some kind of cooperation between the “people of color” and Whites. The very thought of such is amusing and highly improbable. Further, a “Christian revolution” against the Jews is even more improbable since so many of your fellow Christians are Shabbats-Goy (there are far in excess of 60 million “Zionist Christians” here in the US. Good luck with that revolution!
Superficial, Smug Fool Grossly Mis-Understands Present Cultural, Economic Crisis
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
“Curt”: u’re just an ignorant, typically smug and “amused” fool, and tool of the Jews, comrade: EVERYONE is now suffering evermore in present economic downturn and recession, don’t doubt–which recession has been on-going now for years, literally. Soon enough prices will be sky-rocketing, surely by end of this very year, “safety-net” will dissolve, and people will be suffering even more–all the people.
“Curt,” u’re precisely sort of ignorant, superficial scum Jews make use of in order to ISOLATE whites against everyone else–relieving the Jews who would be isolated otherwise. Jews seek thus to undermining Christian-gentile unity against Jews, most of all. Christianity is PRIMARY Jew target of all things, even above white folk in general.
Pelagianism is basic heresy founded upon SUBJECTIVISM and idea there’s such thing as “good” or “good-works” by which humans can/could demand a place in heaven fm God–as if to show God a ticket by which God “owes” humans. Pelagianism then is foundation of Jew Pharisaism.
Regarding “Judeo-Christian” (JC–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org) hereticalists, there are probably no more than 20 million or so hard-core JCs, and these aren’t too bright, mainly just horribly ignorant and self-righteous fools who follow their Jew-funded leaders like Hagee, Robertson, and Graham among “Protestant”-styled. “Vatican” Catholic officials are firmly in camp and pay of Jews too.
CONCLUSION: So given foremost theme and ideal of Christian aesthetic, TRUTH, hence Aristotelian objectivity, necessary criterion thereto, basis of gentile unity among whites and non-whites against Jew (and associated) enemy of humanity is clear and will become evermore apparent the greater the urgency of present cultural and economic crisis–despite the hubris and smugness of Jew-friendly sort like urself. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
György Lukács was the founder of the tradition of Western Marxism and a founder of political correctness( at 1.37) so Dr. Lasha Darkmoon can’t really be faulted there.
“As there can be no Authorized Version of 9/11″ -
So what happened to Christian and Channon has no Authorized Version just as there can be no Authorized Version of 9/11, and that is shown by the reference to there being no Authorized Version of the Holocaust.
Some people here tried to gently inform the writer that she was a little inaccurate about Christian and Channon and are told that it is wrong to believe the court is more authoritative than some people on VNN, as proved by 9/11. And the Holocaust. How is that supposed to go down with a sympathetic (or they wouldn’t be listening) white who thinks they know what happened in all three cases?
I’m all for emotionally compelling imagery that motivates action. And I think Lasha Darkmoon’s writing has a lot of promise but please make sure TOO writers understand that their when they stake generalizations on certain facts they have to get the facts straight first. Allusions to things like 9/11 don’t cut it.
Someday:
I’ll add that the people who propose alternate accounts of 9/11 and of the Holocaust® elaborate a very considerable array of very specific reasons for their alternate accounts.
But I’ve never heard any reasons presented to support the notion that Ms. Christian’s breasts were cut off and Mr. Newsom’s penis was cut off. (Beyond the idea that the authorities must NECESSARILY be covering up SOMETHING more that was done to the victims!)
As I posted, I believe but can’t recall exactly how I came to the conclusion, that the rumor was begun when (FBI informant) Hal Turner simply made it up and announced it on his radio show.
If Turner had decided instead to announce that the victims’ feet and hands had been cut off and stuffed inside them, I guess we’d have to be discussing that now.
Police Must PROVE To The People, Proper Protocol For Public Servants
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
“Harumphty…,” comrade, u’re not worth dirt heroic Hal Turner walked on, let me assure u.
Police, even local, are notoriously subject to corruption and extortion of ADL, SPLC, et al., as these are agents of Judeo-conspirators behind the Fed COUNTERFEIT scam, who have nearly INFINITE funds by which to corrupt officials, police, politicians, judges, et al., as we see–are u blind?–we already know u’re not too smart.
So if police are NOT “covering up” something, then THEY MUST PROVE IT to satisfaction of the people.
CONCLUSION: Regarding 9-11, note Chris Bollyn (Bollyn.com) and others have essentially established it was Israel who pulled off 9-11, all the INDUCTIVE LOGIC so overwhelming at this pt. Jews, neo-cons, and Israelis MUST PROVE THEY DIDN’T DO IT–something which they cannot do, and upon which their “Jews-media” is working overtime to keep gentiles diverted–which isn’t working due to mighty internet and new blog-art. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Hal Turner wouldn’t be one of those poeple who ‘propose alternate accounts of 9/11 and of the Holocaust®’ by any chance.
“Alternative Accounts”–Truth–Against “Conventional” Jew Lies
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
Hal Turner is heroic defender of truth and Christian volk–against Jews like u, “someday”–hence against non-”alternative accounts” (read “lies”) of 9-11 and holohoax–much better name for one of the all-time favorite lies of Jews who worship lies so religiously, as we see in ur case.
Inductive logic–that’s a tremendous thing which weighs heavily upon minds of HONEST volk–and WORKS INEXORABLY AGAINST Jews and their defenders like u, “someday.” So note how u people just keep looking for ever-more distractions–like Iraq war, now war w. Iran–which will all ultimately redound against Jews and accomplices.
CONCLUSION: Thus Jews absolutely must console themselves w. “Samson option”–but even that’s not going to help. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“If Turner had decided instead to announce that the victims’ feet and hands had been cut off and stuffed inside them, I guess we’d have to be discussing that now.”
But of course, it was “sexier” to announce that the victims had been sexually mutilated, so that’s what Turner announced.
Apollonian;
Each case has to be examined as to its own particulars, rather than those particulars being deduced from some sort of general principles.
Take a visit to earth sometime, and take a look around. You might find it an interesting place.
Harumphty_Dumpty wrote…”After 2 or 3 years of posting there, I agree with the WNs who say that trying to change the mass of sheeple with facts and reasoning is hopeless.”
Right you are! You can bash people over the head with facts and figures all day long and it won’t make any difference whatsoever. If you want people to listen to you, and, hopefully, agree with your position, You must appeal to them at an emotional level. That said, anger is the least appealing route to take…much better to inspire people with a beautiful vision of what things could be like, if only they would work at it.
Even worse than trying to motivate people through anger is to then say to them “…just don’t do anything violent to remove the threat!” Yet this is exactly what the vast majority of Anti-NWO/WN/Truthers have always done from day one! That’s why so many of us view these groups with suspicion…’cause non-violence is exactly the response the Jews want (ney, need!) in order to continue to freely pursue their plans for world domination! It’s the Jews, stupid…but don’t harm a hair on their head! That’s God’s job. LMAO!
@ Curt: Civil War 2.0 is coming to America…NOT a second American Revolution (thanks to the Jews and their Christian henchmen!)…no if’s, and’s, or but’s about it!
This is not the place to apply for Hal Turner’s job
Harumphty Smugness To Live By
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
Right “Harumphty…,” u’re so typically smug and presumptuous, pretending u know what Hal Turner thought and calculated; u’re the one who needs being brought to earth–which will happen, never doubt. U’re still not worth dirt Turner walked on.
Regarding police corruption and corruption in general, it’s proven for enough particulars to justify the general, obvious conclusion which now so many people understand, unlike urself, ignorant fool.
CONCLUSION: And don’t doubt I’m well familiar w. earth and hubristic, Jewwy, smug creatures like urself–earth and humanity would be better off without u, surely. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
One assumes that the writers of articles in the Occidental Observer tend to agree with and promote TOO’s themes of white identity, white interests, and the culture of the West. Since what they say is sometimes controversial or even threatening to certain groups, it is understandable that some prefer to use pen names. But when a writer uses a pen name and regularly demeans white interests and culture while seemingly supporting TOO’s mission, the articles become counter-productive to TOO’s mission. This seems to be the case for a certain Lashma Darkmoon.
This writer, whoever he or she may be, claims to be: a poet and translator, a political activist with a special interest in Middle Eastern affairs, a hopelessly dysfunctional practicing member of the Catholic Church, a failed artist, a classical scholar, and someone whos interest in life is “the bizarre phenomenon of anti-Jewish propoganda manufactured by elite and well-organized cadres of Jews.” Quite a disparate and bizarre array. On the surface Darkmoon’s sensational articles focus on negative Jewish influences and the demise of white culture. But an undercurrent of needling and nastiness prevails. Darkmoon regularly makes malicious, negative remarks about white culture and Christianity. For example, she calls the Catholic Church a spent force which “has been thoroughly subverted from within and without.” For Darkmoon, white Christians are ill-educated, gullible and gormless masses; white culture is doomed because whites are incapable of resisting the onslaught of hostile cultures. Somehow, this doesn’t sound like a TOO well-wisher. Kevin McDonald has written that “her articles draw huge interest from reader.” That may be, but does the Occidental Observer really want these kinds of readers? And does the OO want to be splashed all over the internet as an overtly sensational and anti-Semitic website, one that focuses on Jewish noses rather than on the merits of white culture. I would hope not.
Out of curiosity, I researched Darkmoon’s pen name. I googled one her her odd phrases, “millenarian mumbo jumbo” and found it in an 2006 article about Rabbi Jonathon Sacks.
[http://noodnik.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/parsha-of-the-week/
Next I googled “Jonathon Sacks and Darkmoon” and found Garden of The Dark Moon Jubilee on the Jewish Press International website. One more google, Garden of The Darkmoon Jubilee, took me to “The best among women practices witchcraft…Jerusalem Talmud, Kiddushim 4, 11.” How odd!
As for Lasha, net.bible.org gives various meanings, including Lasha=fissure, a Hebrew place in the southeast of Palestime. Curious. Are we dealing here with an elite and well-organized Jewess who practices witchcraft?
““Curt”: u’re just an ignorant, typically smug and “amused” fool, and tool of the Jews, comrade: EVERYONE is now suffering evermore in present economic downturn and recession,”
and:
“Curt,” u’re precisely sort of ignorant, superficial scum Jews make use of in order to ISOLATE whites against everyone ”
also:
“Right “Harumphty…,” u’re so typically smug and presumptuous, ”
“U’re still not worth dirt Turner walked on.”
and this:
“Hal Turner is heroic defender of truth and Christian volk–against Jews like u, ”
Personally, “Apollonian”, I’m lovin it! It is interesting that when someone disagrees with you, you respond with vindictive, overly emotional name calling and vile hatred (LOL-I can almost see you sputtering insanely as you bang away at the keyboard) – how Christian of you!
Dick:
” Curt: Civil War 2.0 is coming to America…NOT a second American Revolution (thanks to the Jews and their Christian henchmen!)…no if’s, and’s, or but’s about it!”
-Yes, it is just a matter of time.
Fine Art Of Blog Dialectic–Capable Of Penetrating To Essence Of Issues
(Apollonian, 28 Apr 10)
“Curt”: I do indulge the invective a little bit–it’s provocative, don’t u think? The girls recede as do some of the males, but others, like u, love it, truly, just as u say. This is the great art and value of blogging, u see–DIALECTIC, of which I’ve become a bit of a master, if I do say so.
Take u for example, “Curt”: I stick by what I said about u and Harumphty–it’s just honesty, basically, but u’re right about the invective–though I don’t know about “vile”-ness. As for “hatred,” that also depends–if u’re a Jew, then yes, hatred is what doctor ordered, for sure.
Note “Curt”: u’re quite a bit of a liar–or at least an exaggerator–for I don’t always respond vindictively, etc., only sometimes when it’s appropriate–like w. u, above.
CONCLUSION; And I see I drew u out well enough for ur ignorance about Christianity comrade: it isn’t about anything, primarily, but TRUTH (as of Gosp. JOHN 14:6) and honesty–this against Jew lies. So it’s good to see u’re tough enough to abide the give-and-take of serious, racial-cultural blog dialectic. Maybe now u might start responding more to the pt., and not being so patronizing. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“Curt”: I do indulge the invective a little bit–it’s provocative, don’t u think?”
-No, it’s just childish.
Thanks Lars for saying it. Pity that Prof. MacDonald’s blog has turned into an antisemite porn site.
“Darkmoon regularly makes malicious, negative remarks about white culture and Christianity. For example, she calls the Catholic Church a spent force which ‘has been thoroughly subverted from within and without.’”
Lars, that statement about the Catholic Church was completely accurate.
“For Darkmoon, white Christians are ill-educated, gullible and gormless masses…”
I thought she was only talking about Catholics and Christian Zionists.
Darkmoon’s articles are to this site what the National Enquirer is to journalism. Emotionalism stirs the masses and the masses are sheepeople easily led by a shepherd or a judas goat.
“appollonian” is a spectacular nut-case and a scary, yet somewhat entertaining example how antisemitic obsessions can grill your brain to the point of delirium. Everybody you disagree with must be a kike, even a guy like Alex Linder… Don’t read this as a rant, I am doing a clinical diagnosis here.
Does Helvena seriously think that “the masses” are reading TOO on a daily basis? Come one, now, let’s be reasonable. Darkmoon’s articles appeal to “believers”, but nobody else. “Believers”, of course, do not need to be persuaded. They probably constitute a majority of TOO readers, but a minority in the “real” world. TOO needs to attract mainstream “non-believers” with mainstream messages. Survival is above politics and ideology, and should therefore be in everyone’s best interest.
let me make a small but necessary correction here:
One example that got the editorial ax: The famous quote from T.S. Eliot: The rats are underneath the piles./The Jew is underneath the lot. Maybe I should have left it in, but that’s the kind of anti-RAT comment that I find unhelpful
there is absolutely no scientific or forensic evidence that “rats are underneath the piles”, it sounds like a typical invention by stephen spielberg.
Dr. Zeitbloom;
““appollonian” is a spectacular nut-case and a scary”
– I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed! A very studied and accurate diagnosis, Doctor!
Geiseric first you write
“Darkmoon’s articles appeal to “believers”, but nobody else.”
then you write
“TOO needs to attract mainstream “non-believers” with mainstream messages”.
So how will Darkmoon’s articles serve your goal? I understand why her articles appeal to you.
Apollonian, the only thing invective like yours accomplishes is to chase away from every unmonitored or loosely monitored blog everyone who can’t scrape you off their shoe.
Darkmoon’s articles do not serve White group interests in my opinion. This doesn’t mean that Darkmoon’s STYLE is interesting and has a certain appeal to me personally. As I said, White ethnic survival is beyond and above any particular ideology. That’s why TOO deserves and should attract mainstream White middle class people, not marginalized groups with certain ideological inclinations.
… it should be: “uninteresting… ” etc.
Simple Virtue Of Jew-Expulsion Still Needs Clarity And Exposition
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
Well “Harumphty,” in ur case that might not be soooo bad, eh?–what good are u, anyway?–this is serious question which u need to answer, at least for urself. I agree invective is minor, if any value at all, and must give way to SUBSTANCE and real, genuine info.
Losing u and “Curt” is no loss at all; losing me would be most horrible tragedy. Invective isn’t so bad as long as there’s at least some substance accompanying. Purest, clinical rationality isn’t always possible.
See, we need Jew-Expulsion, and this has only been done, historically, by means of a Christian “eruption” if u will, always in way of reaction–it’s a CYCLIC thing in spirit of “Decline of the West,” by Spengler, once again.
Simply removing Jews, all by itself, would constitute tremendous success and great victory for all mankind–for many years to come, surely. But we don’t want to have a brief success just to have Jews come-back when “tide” rolls out again. So we build upon this basic Jew-Expulsion inspiration.
Additionally, we want to remove also cultural “predicates” of Jews, esp. then “Judeo-Christian” (JC) helpers, accomplices, assistants, enablers, and suck-alongs. Thus entire anti-semitic movement must entail a general resurgence of best of Western culture founded in Greek, Aristotelian OBJECTIVITY, and hence DETERMINISM–anti-heresy and anti-Pelagianism (moralism-Pharisaism).
Thus we patriots must remove under-lying HUBRIS of the culture (most difficult task, indeed) and those people who and which all provides foundation for Jew parasite disease-of-opportunity (and accomplices), that Pelagianism and moralism-Pharisaism whence people find it sooooo fashionable to pretend so fatuously to being “good.” Topmost Christian ethic is HONESTY above all else.
Thus in proper, true determinist spirit we can presently easily foresee HORRIFIC economic catastrophe ready to hit in only months now–collapse of US Dollar. What we’re doing NOW is just preparing the ground for it, u see.
Thus first and most substantial thing to do for necessary Jew-Expulsion is REMOVING JCs, those indispensable helpers, accomplices, and enablers to and for Jew master-minds. Removing JCs all by itself will essentially do the trick for Jew-Expulsion, JCs more valuable to Jews than all the bolshevikis, queers, and illegal aliens put together.
Thus I emphasize REAL Christianity and Western culture–ANTI-SEMITISM (anti-Talmud, as Gosp. MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9), first, last, and always, this amounting to anti-subjectivism, etc.–it really is simple, esp. when one understands Talmud, what it really stands for–LIES, even lying to oneself as Jews do so well–as we see fm this blog so well.
Thus in blog like this, we see how so much of the effort is, aside fm promoting positive measures, in simply refuting and disputing the Jews and Jew-helpers who get on trying to subvert and under-mine the necessary effort of resurging Western culture–as with “Curt’s” anti-Christianity and lies there-about. BNP, as in Britain, is most assuredly NOT the way to go, placing Jews in charge at top, white punks enforcing for them.
CONCLUSION: U, “Harumphty,” are just a babbling zero, so far as I can see, complaining and whining like the non-entity u and “Curt,” really are. But u were good for at least this epistle fm myself, re-capping and clarifying the necessary pro-white, hence anti-semitic, effort and plan. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“White” Is Mere Abstraction And Attribute, Even If Great Value–There’s Something Else For Substance Preceding
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Geiseric”: I ABSOLUTELY disagree, for in determinist fashion, “white” ethnic interest NECESSARILY entails “ideology,” philosophy, and real, genuine cultural SUBSTANCE, without a doubt. And it just so happens I rather went into that expo a good deal just above in reply to “Harumphty.”
Culture is no less attribute to “white” substance as the very “white”-ness itself. “White” is mere attribute, after all–precious and irreplaceable, but CULTURE IS FAR MORE SUBSTANTIAL–as it is of the mind, the essence for the large human substance of body, including color of skin. So to save the attribute of color of skin, we must emphasize that mental substance, hence culture, I say.
And don’t forget, “white” is mere abstraction, hence open to gross SUBJECTIVISTIC “definition” and “interpretation”–so there’s problem right there: WHAT DO U MEAN, EXACTLY?–is reason and distinct definition of any “ideologic” importance? Thus U ARE REFUTED. Q.E.D.
Thus “white” culture is that of REASON and TRUTH, as of Gosp. JOHN 14:6, this against JEW lies and Talmud–THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT.
And “whites” will do best, along w. non-white gentiles, just as during Christian revolution of St. Constantine the Great who effected the greatest Jew-Expulsion of all history.
CONCLUSION: And Darkmoon does well and excellently if, for no other reason than, she draws u out so well for ur own expression, never doubt. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
To the nut case:
Wow, you sure take a lot of scraping.
Actually, you’re such a loose stool that you wash off fairly easily.
To a certain extent, all identities are “abstractions”. These “abstractions”, however, need to be meaningful, as exemplified by the nonsense produced by the “multicultis”. As societies become extremely diversified, social cohesion tends to collapse because of “nonsensification” of group identities.
Sucker Keeps Babbling
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: comrade, u merely prove my pt.–U SAY NOTHING of any substance. U can’t even think enough to reply for any substance to my theses so carefully and explicitly exposited for a fool like urself. Keep babbling, sucker. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Nut case:
My response was to your preceding post. I don’t have any problem with you when you write a post that doesn’t have insults in it.
Culture Necessarily Precedes “White”-Ness, Without Doubt, Art Demonstrates
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Geiseric”: let’s be clear, good comrade–there’s substance and essence thereto; then there’s attributes, not so essential.
And “white” is gross abstraction and attribute, never doubt; there’s something FAR more substantial, hence essential, no less than that precious “white”-ness, and that’s culture without a doubt–esp. as it distinguishes us true “whites” fm those infernal monsters called Jews.
For what is it, actually, that causes us to so value “white”-ness in first place if not CULTURE? Thus again, we value Christian TRUTH and reason against Jew lies, conspiracy, hystericism, mysticism, subjectivism, Pharisaism-moralism, fanaticism, and, when u get down to it, psycho-pathology, obsession, fascism, etc.
CONCLUSION: And Darkmoon does well as her work strives to pt. out and illustrate, if nothing else, this great contrasting of culture and values. Reason, honesty, and fairness requires u give credit where it’s due. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian.
SerenusZeitblom @ April 27, 2010 at 7:24 PM
“Darkmoon seems to fall into this unforgiveably naive trap of the notion that “all was well with this world” until all of sudden Darwin came, later to be followed by all these malicious evil-doers that corrupted all that was pure and good. Come on, please. Nietzsche’s Death of God started long before that, in the Enlightenment period, maybe even before. And the world never was “all well”, nor “God in his Heaven” as poets dream things up to be. The world from the beginning always has been a cruel, unjust, bloody slaughterhouse with human animals struggling for survival. And there is no need to abandon God to get a license to “do what thou wilt” and commit unimaginable atrocities to fellow men…
…it means to take the utterly wrong track to ask who began the Great Despair, as if it came out of the blue and as if there had been no reason to despair. The despair was the result of the breakdown of Christianity and religious transcendence combined with social crisis of the Industrial Age, and Lasha has to see whether she manages to go back to be a True Believer. Like it or not it was essentially Christianity and the beliefs attached to it that carried and created the Occident. Any attempts in the modern age to create a Weltanschauung, ideology, Ersatz-religion etc can be traced back to the need to fill this terrible gap and vacuum that followed after the Death of God.
This long post by SerenusZeitblom, which takes me to task in a kindly way for my naievté, is certainly one of the best I have read on this thread. There is nothing Serenus says that I do not wholeheartedly agree with.
It has to be understood, however, that I write according to my nature and express to the best of my ability the thoughts that are in my head. I simplify in the interests of total clarity. I am not the type of academic who finds the need to qualify every statement and fill up my sentences with endless subordinate clause. I am a poet and polemecist. I am not trying to rewrite my PhD thesis on Kevin MacDonald’s excellent website.
I am writing for ordinary people who wish to be entertained as well as instructed. I have received much praise from the vast majority who appreciate clarity, simplicity and vivid language. This is my forte. To expect me to support every starement with a dozen footnotes and pettifogging qualifications and “yes, buts” and “on the other hands” is foolish and ill-advised. It does violence to my nature. It is unkind.
I am not saying that Serenus does this — he does not — but there are other posters on this site, thankfully a minority, who fall into this category of carpers and quibblers who think there’s something wrong with you if you carve out your own style try to do your own thing.
I do wish these dry sticks could have more tolerance.
My goodness Apollonian; it seems that English must be your second language. I would extract quotes to illustrate your errors in grammar and syntax but then I would be forced to comment on every line! I refrain both because doing so would even more boring than reading your babble and also because the frustration of being unable to lash out physically at anyone on this forum would cause you to do violence to some poor passerby in a Yarmulke!
Be a good boy now and go sit in a corner and take your Haldol.
You might also consider burning your Hal Lindsey books as well- no more “The Late Great, Planet Earth” for YOU, young man! LOL
“Curt” Comments Upon Style Again
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Curt”: u’re pathetic comrade–another fool who says nothing, only babbling about style. Hal Lindsey is “Judeo-Christian,” u poor moron, who indicates Christians are versions of Jew–a lot as u urself indicate. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
On the contrary; babbling is your forte and interminable ramble which you, in your fevered imagination believe to be “instruction to others”, this is underscored by your admitted desire to write “epistles” to the “congregation” here. You fancy your self a “master of dialectic” for example:
“This is the great art and value of blogging, u see–DIALECTIC, of which I’ve become a bit of a master, if I do say so.”
(consider that the definition of dialectic is : “any formal system of reasoning that arrives at the truth by the exchange of logical arguments”)
– you are incapable of an exchange of logical arguments. You exhibit delusions of grandeur. Your self image is completely out of sync with how others perceive you. You need help, badly, as well as remedial English grammar, lol.
“Curt” Continues Babbling
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
But “Curt,” how do u urself imagine u know how “others perceive”?–u’re the one “delusional.” And we note ur obsessive fixation for style and irrelevancy as u continue to clutter the blog w. ur commentary. If u object to my logic, u need give examples. Yes, I need “help”–just send some money; I’ll gladly take it. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“Apollonian”, that sounds damn Jewish to me… and all “ur” talmudic reasoning and “ur” spelling ain’t much Aryan either.
Jews Swarming
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
Jews and accomplices are swarming: “Zeitblom,” u need to say something substantial comrade–try not to just clutter the blog w. ur little cracks. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
>”Zeitblom,” u need to say something substantial comrade–try not to just >clutter the blog w. ur little cracks.
I already have – and in respect of substantiality it is far beyond anything you have come up so far, o my Loony Brother of the Fringiest Fringe Bin of Kooks, and unlike your psychotic babbling it even – imagine that! – adresses the topic of this blog entry. “Cluttering” (aka “spamming”) this site on a major scale is more like “UR” favourite hobby, but don’t let me stop if it makes you feel important …
Ah, and PS:
>Jews and accomplices are swarming
Funny, I saw THAT one coming … I wonder why???
Isn’t “Zeitblom” Really Just A Jew?
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Zeitblom”: u’re just a Jew urself, aren’t u–admit the truth. A.
Why do I feel like I’m at VNN?
I know exactly why…one of the creeps who enjoyed insulting people there, Apollonian, is now doing the same thing here, and creating the same sort of mess.
If you’d suddenly insulted me as nastily and gratuitously 200 years ago as you did yesterday, Apollonian, our seconds would be making arrangements now. I doubt a man as given to insult as yourself would have lasted very long in an actual white world.
You’re a plague everywhere you go….whether intentional or not, your role is a destructive one, and you aren’t willing to examine yourself (I’m assuming you’re not being purposefully destructive, but possibly I’m naive).
If the havoc you wreak (which will consist mainly in the people who simply cease to read the site, without having said anything to you) isn’t intentional, then take a look at yourself, and learn to treat people with some decency and consideration.
Until you pick up that particular white trait, I guess we’ll all just have to continue to wipe you off our shoes every time we come here.
Lars @ April 28, 2010 at 4:08 PM
“This writer [LASHA DARKMOON] claims to be: a poet and translator, a political activist with a special interest in Middle Eastern affairs, a hopelessly dysfunctional practicing member of the Catholic Church, a failed artist, a classical scholar, and someone whose interest in life is “the bizarre phenomenon of anti-Jewish propoganda manufactured by elite and well-organized cadres of Jews.” Quite a disparate and bizarre array. On the surface Darkmoon’s sensational articles focus on negative Jewish influences and the demise of white culture. But an undercurrent of needling and nastiness prevails.”
Can you prove this with any supportive quotes? Or is this, as I suspect, no more than the usual ad hominem attack of a charming misogynist with an aversion to an attractive young woman well known to be a Louise Brooks lookalike?
“Darkmoon regularly makes malicious, negative remarks about white culture and Christianity. For example, she calls the Catholic Church a spent force which “has been thoroughly subverted from within and without.”
What is malicious or nasty about this? My sister actually attends Sunday Mass, goes regularly to Confession and receives Holy Communion. But she deeply regrets Vatican II. As Mel Gibson does and several other “dysfunctional” Catholics who reject the relatively recent innovations of a misguided Pope who had fallen under Jewish influence.
Are you saying that Mel Gibson is a nasty piece of work for rejecting Vatican II?
My sister prays. She meditates. She writes poetry. She teaches children. She loves life and is full of wit and wisdom, graciousness and gaiety — despite the gloom and doom of her recent article.
“For Darkmoon, white Christians are ill-educated, gullible and gormless masses; white culture is doomed because whites are incapable of resisting the onslaught of hostile cultures.”
Darkmoon NEVER said this! And here you show your nastiness for fabricating this lie! My sister was referring to the 60 million Christian Zionists who are in cahoots with ISRAEL and organized Jewry. She was NOT referring to ordinary Americans, except insofar as they belong to that category we all refer to as “sheeple”.
I know what you are, sir, and why you slither onto this site like a fanged serpent to spew your venom over my dear sister.
You are a ZIONIST TROLL, n’est-ce pas? Does the ADL pay/i> you to post here?
I wouldn’t be surprised at all. :)
Well said, Harumphty and Dr. Zeitblom. The best way to deal with an agitator like “Apollonian” (his “handle” makes me wonder if his delusions extend to actual identification with the Sun god “Apollo”?)- in the absence of a moderator who will delete his insults and rambling prattle- is to simply ignore him and converse only with those here whose writing reflects sound mind and tolerance of others viewpoint. Hell, this person is so dense that he does not even know when he is being laughed at.
lobro @ April 29, 2010 at 6:42 AM
Let me make a small but necessary correction here:
“One example that got the editorial ax: The famous quote from T.S. Eliot: ‘The rats are underneath the piles /The Jew is underneath the lot.’ Maybe I should have left it in, but that’s the kind of anti-RAT comment that I find unhelpful.”
Tut tut, lobro, this is hardly the kind of comment one expects from a distinguished, cigar-loving intellectual.
Appollonian gets my vote. He’s an okay guy. I’ve met him on other sites and he was always great fun. Though admittedly a bit of a nutcase. But hey, aren’t we all? :)
>The best way to deal with an agitator like “Apollonian”… is to simply
> ignore him
Yeah, but:
>“Zeitblom”: u’re just a Jew urself, aren’t u–admit the truth. A.
This is SO much fun… ^^
Well, that is true, baiting him is entertaining, but at times I feel like I am teasing the blog world’s equivalent of a Special Olympics entrant! :D
[Editorial comments by Ap in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
* * * * *
Harumphty_Dumpty says:
April 29, 2010 at 1:56 PM
“Why do I feel like I’m at VNN? [VNN ISN'T SO BAD--EXCEPT IT'S RUN BY AN ANTI-CHRIST, LINDER, WHO DELETES MY COMMENTARY. PURPOSE OF ANTI-CHRISTS (AND SATANISTS) PRETENDING TO BEING "WHITE NATIONALISTS" (WN) IS TO SUBVERT CHRISTIAN (ANTI-SEMITIC) RESISTANCE, THESE ANTI-CHRISTS INSISTING CHRISTIANS ARE MERE VARIATIONS/VERSIONS OF JEWS.]
“I know exactly why…one of the creeps who enjoyed insulting people there, Apollonian, [FLATTERY WILL GET U NOWHERE.]
“…is now doing the same thing here, and creating the same sort of mess. [OH?--AND WHAT "MESS" IS THAT?--BE SPECIFIC, U LIAR. I'M "PROVOCATIVE," AND I ENJOY BEING THAT WAY, MUCH AS POSSIBLE.]
“If you’d suddenly insulted me as nastily and gratuitously 200 years ago as you did yesterday, Apollonian, our seconds would be making arrangements now. [YES U LIAR, BUT I'D THEN GET FIRST SHOT, SUCKER, AND THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR COWARD LIKE U--AND THAT'S WHY U WOULDN'T GO FOR IT, CHUMP.]
“I doubt a man as given to insult as yourself would have lasted very long in an actual white world. [YEAH--THAT'S LIKE SPECULATING ABOUT FROGS, IF THEY HAD WINGS, AND GRASS-HOPPERS IF THEY HAD SIX-SHOOTERS, ISN'T IT?]
“You’re a plague everywhere you go…. [OH CUT THE FLATTERY ALREADY, WILL U?--I'M GETTING "SWELLED HEAD."]
“…whether intentional [IT'S INTENTIONAL, NEVER DOUBT, SUCKER.]
“…or not, your role is a destructive one, [INDEED, IT'S TERRIBLY "DESTRUCTIVE" TO A JEWWY ACCOMPLICE AND SYMPATHIZER LIKE URSELF, CHUMP--WHY DON'T U JUST SHUT UP?]
“…and you aren’t willing to examine yourself [I HAVE MIRRORS AT HOME, AND THERE ARE MIRRORS WHERE I GO--I'M ALWAYS "EXAMINING" MYSELF TO MAKE SURE GIRLS WON'T BE TOOOO SWEPT OFF THEIR PROVERBIAL "FEET," U KNOW. BUT I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO LISTEN TO SUBSTANTIAL CRITICISM WHICH U'RE NOT CAPABLE OF, U NOT BEING VERY SMART, FRANKLY--U SHOULD JUST SHUT UP, LIKE I SUGGESTED ABOVE.]
“…(I’m assuming you’re not being purposefully destructive, but possibly I’m naive). [I'M CONVICTED, SWORN, DEDICATED ANTI-SEMITE, COMRADE. U'RE NOT "NAIVE"--U'RE JUST STUPID AS A ROCK, BELIEVE ME.]
“If the havoc you wreak [U AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET, SUCKER.]
“…(which will consist mainly in the people who simply cease to read the site, [U'RE JUST AN IDIOT WHO IMAGINES U KNOW HOW OTHERS THINK--AGAIN, U SHOULD JUST SHUT UP, HAVING NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO SAY, MERELY ATTACKING PERSONALITIES, LIKE THE FOOL U REALLY ARE.]
“…without having said anything to you) isn’t intentional, then take a look at yourself, [SEE COMMENT ABOVE--U REALLY SHOULD SHUT UP, COMRADE, AS U SAY NOTHING OF ANY SUBSTANCE OR VALUE.]
“…and learn to treat people with some decency and consideration. [I TREAT U WITH MORE THAN U DESERVE, BELIEVE ME.]
“Until you pick up that particular white trait, [I'M CHRISTIAN, AND THAT MEANS I UPHOLD TRUTH AND HONESTY, COMRADE, FOREMOST CHRISTIAN VALUES--AND THAT'S WHY U'RE SOOOO UN-COMFORTABLE, ISN'T IT? AGAIN, U SHOULD JUST SHUT UP, AND U'D SURELY FEEL LOTS BETTER.]
“…I guess we’ll all just have to continue to wipe you off our shoes every time we come here.” [OKAY--HOW MANY TIMES NOW HAVE U "WIPED" ME?--AND IT DOESN'T MAKE U FEEL ANY BETTER, DOES IT?--AS U KEEP "WIPING." REALLY, U SHOULD SIMPLY FACE FACT U HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, AND U SHOULD KEEP UR DUMB "MOUTH," AS IT WERE, SHUT.]
Don’t feed the troll (he is exploding already) but… Apolloberg (or -stein) is overdoing his typically jewish “Culture of Critique” shtick a bit here, the blog is already subverted and corroded enough by now… :D
[Editorial commentary by Ap in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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Curt says:
April 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM
“Well said, Harumphty and Dr. Zeitblom. The best way to deal with an agitator [THERE U GO LYING AGAIN, LIKE A JEW--I'M HONEST, SUBSTANTIAL COMMENTER/POSTER/CORRESPONDENT, AND I'VE NOW BUILT A SUBSTANTIAL RECORD, I'D SAY.]
“…like “Apollonian” (his “handle” makes me wonder if his delusions extend to actual identification with the Sun god “Apollo”?)- [I'M NOT "DELUDED" AS I THINK I HAVE U PRETTY WELL-NAILED, COMRADE. U HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, NO LESS THAN "HARUMPHTY"; U ALSO SHOULD SHUT UP MORE.]
“in the absence of a moderator [U JUST WANT TO SUCK-UP TO SOME AUTHORITY WHO U HOPE WOULD GIVE U SUBSTANCE U LACK, U HERE REPEATEDLY BABBLING ABOUT MERE ANCILLARY ISSUES OF STYLE AND PERSONALITY.]
“…who will delete his insults [I'M HONEST CHRISTIAN, SUCKER, AND U, LIKE JEWS, JUST HATE TRUTH BEING PUT TO U IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS--THAT'S THE FACT--AND U JUST WANT HONESTY TO BEING CENSORED, THAT'S ALL GOING ON HERE W. ALL UR INCESSANT BABBLING.]
“…and rambling prattle- [LIKE WHAT?--GIVE AN EXAMPLE. MY ENTRIES ARE ALL TO THE PT. AND ADDRESS SUBSTANTIAL, PERTINENT ISSUES, AND IF NOT, U'VE NOT PT'D OUT ANY REAL ERRORS OF MINE ASIDE FM UR STUPID CARPING ON STYLE.]
“…is to simply ignore him [WELL, WHY HAVEN'T U LONG SINCE SHUT UR DUMB "MOUTH"?--THIS IS NOW--WHAT?--THE 3RD OR 4TH ENTRY U'VE POSTED TALKING IDLY ABOUT SOMEONE U SAY SHOULD BE IGNORED, FOOL.]
“…and converse only with those here whose writing reflects sound mind [YEAH, BUT THAT PRESUMES U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF "SOUNDNESS" OF MIND AND SUBSTANCE OF CONVERSATION.]
“…and tolerance of others viewpoint. [BUT THAT'S JUST IT--U HAVE NO "VIEW-POINT," FOOL, U SAY NOTHING--EXCEPT FOR IGNORANT CRAP ABOUT WHAT U IMAGINE IS "CHRISTIAN," AND I THEN TAKE U UP, AND U GO CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BABY. SHUT UP AND GO PLAY WITH THE TINY-TOTS, SUCKER.]
“Hell, this person is so dense [THEN WHY, AGAIN, DO U BOTHER MAKING ALL THESE STUPID ENTRIES ON THE BLOG?]
“…that he does not even know when he is being laughed at.” [AWWWWW GEEEEEE. IF PEOPLE WANT TO LAUGH, I'M NOT STOPPING THEM; OTHERWISE I MAKE HONEST COMMENTARY IN MANFUL SPIRIT OF SUBSTANTIAL DIALECTIC. SO FISH OR CUT-BAIT, COMRADE; IF U SAY I SHOULD BE IGNORED, THEN IGNORE, FOOL. BUT QUIT UR CRYING AND WHINING, FOR GOODNESS SAKES.]
[Editorial commentary by Ap in below-text capped, bracketed. A.]
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Dr.Zeitblom says:
April 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM
>”Zeitblom,” u need to say something substantial comrade–try not to just >clutter the blog w. ur little cracks.
“I already have [OKAY--SOOOOOOOOO DOES THAT MEAN U THINK U CAN NOW BABBLE IDLY AS U DO HERE ABOUT MERE PERSONALITY?--EVERY ENTRY SHOULD ENTAIL SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL, COMRADE.]
“… – and in respect of substantiality it is far beyond anything you have come up so far, [THIS IS FALSE, BUT EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, U STILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A CASE IN SUBSTANTIAL TERMS RATHER THAN MERE ASSERTION LIKE A LYING, TENDENTIOUS JEW.]
“…o my Loony Brother of the Fringiest Fringe Bin of Kooks, [SO U ADMIT U'RE "LOONY"--I'M NOT--U SHOULD SPEAK ONLY FOR URSELF AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.]
“…and unlike your psychotic babbling [BUT WHAT'S "PSYCHOTIC" ABOUT IT?--I'M HONEST CHRISTIAN, HENCE ANTI-SEMITE, AND I PREACH JEW-EXPULSION. FURTHER I SHOW EXACTLY HOW TO GO ABOUT IT, ATTACKING AT BASE OF JEWS' SUPPORT, THE "JUDEO-CHRISTIAN" HERETICALISTS. AND ALL MY OTHER COMMENTARY IS GERMANE TO THESE STERLING PRINCIPLES I EXPOUND. SO U NEED "LEG TO STAND UPON."]
“…it even – imagine that! – adresses the topic of this blog entry. [DID IT?--AND WHAT TOPIC WAS THAT, PRAY TELL?--DON'T TELL ME U'VE FORGOTTEN ALREADY.]
“Cluttering” (aka “spamming”) this site on a major scale is more like “UR” favourite hobby, [SUBSTANTIATE UR LYING CLAIM, U JEW-LIKE LIAR--I CHALLENGE U.]
“…but don’t let me stop if it makes you feel important …” [I DO MY BEST, BUT IT'S U NOW WHO'VE MADE MULTIPLE ENTRIES SAYING NOTHING TO SOMEONE U CALL A "KOOK," LIKE UR COLLEAGUES, "HARUMPHTY," AND "CURT."]
Harumphty- WOW!
You really got him ticked off that time, lol. So far he hasn’t spewed his venom at anyone else in ALL CAPITALS like he has you- can’t you just imagine him banging furiously at that keyboard (no doubt the computer sales stores love him for a frequent return customer). Did you take note to how many times he told you to “shut up”? (A side note to the Sun god here: frequent repetition is the hallmark of a retarded person; “Apollonian”, lol).
“I’M CHRISTIAN, AND THAT MEANS I UPHOLD TRUTH AND HONESTY, COMRADE, FOREMOST CHRISTIAN VALUES”
-Yeah, we got that, “Apollo”; you’re Christian (but you choose a pagan Greek god for your blog name) and everyone else who does not agree with you is not. You keep reminding us continually of how “Christian” you are by telling us that WE are “scum”, “Jews”, “ignorant”, etc., and all the while you, of course, remain the perfect example of a “Christian”. And of course, no one other than yourself has anything “OF SUBSTANCE TO SAY” (I’m sure you want us to quote you exactly the way you rant, in capitals).
If this blog had a moderator (which it desperately needs), and the invective were edited out of your posts by that moderator, along with your tedious “preaching”, your posts would be rendered very small, indeed.
Apollo-Apollonian, you are the internet equivalent of the bearded, scruffy, unkempt and unwashed 19th century sandwich-man wearing a sign and ranting on the street corner -screaming at all who pass by how evil they are and the end of the world is nigh! An escapee from Bedlam hospital with a foul mouth and a head full of mush.
“Curt” Keeps Babbling At One He Say Should Be “Ignored”
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Curt”: didn’t u say (once again) I should just be “ignored”–this is now ur 5th posting comprised exclusively of ad-hominem -type irrelevance and vain speculation about style. Don’t u get tired of urself? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Note to Kevin MacDonald, Lasha Darkmoon, or anyone in administration who reads this blog from time to time: this blog DESPERATELY needs a moderator to purge the posts by trolls with “personality issues” (to be kind). If you note the name calling and general nonsense posted by “Apollonian” in the past couple pages and reflect on it, you will surely see that allowing someone with his “proclivities” to preach and harang others with this disjointed tripe is only going to cost you readership. This sort of behavior is not tolerated (not for long, anyway) on most other websites.
apollonian says:
“VNN ISN’T SO BAD–EXCEPT IT’S RUN BY AN ANTI-CHRIST, LINDER, WHO DELETES MY COMMENTARY.”
So that’s why you brought your lunatic act here. But I have to give you credit…getting deleted at VNN must be a very rarefied achievement indeed.
To Lasha Darkmoon:
I like your writing (a lot…I was utterly charmed by your comparison of present-day U.S. and pre-war Germany, and the frightening differences you pointed out), and I like your style, and I’d probably be less inclined to want to tone you down any than Dr. MacDonald would.
But I’m just a fanatic about accuracy.
Or at least I think I am. I see I made an error in saying that one of the victims in the K-town crime stayed alive 2 or 3 days…best info is actually 1 day, I now find out.
A friend tells me I overreacted to your error, and maybe he’s right. I do wish I hadn’t gotten so upset about it, and had corrected you in a more friendly manner.
“Curt’s” Getting Ready To Cry, I Do Believe
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Curt”: u’re truly desperate man, aren’t u? Just shut up, and go somewhere else already, comrade–u have nothing to say, believe me. Heee heee, schnitzel, schnitzel. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
To Dr. Zeitblom….You make me laugh every time…thanks!
Dr. Zeitbloom;
“Don’t feed the troll ”
– Yes, you are so right, lol. The people who run this blog ought to do something about him though, he will kill the readership here singlehandedly if allowed to go on.
Curt, this blog is totally a one-man operation at the moment…It’s just the very busy Dr. MacDonald. I know that will make someone very happy.
Don’t Doubt There’s Jew Purpose Behind Anti-Christ WNs Like Linder/VNN
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: I think u still don’t quite understand–note Linder/VNN is receiving funding fm some mysterious source(s) which he never tells public about. Note again Linder/VNN’s purpose–to undermine and subvert the Christian anti-semitic resistance, pretending to “rationality,” at same time invoking paganism and Nietzshean-type irrationalism. Linder/VNN is piece-of anti-Christ -work, let me tell u. But lots of people are “on” to Linder, u may be sure.
So here’s my theory: Linder/VNN may indeed be genuine anti-semite, but he serves Jew purposes, as I note, presenting a front that treats Christianity as essentially same as Judaism. If u note then Linder/VNN seconds the “Judeo-Christians” (JCs) who themselves pretend they’re just slightly different kind of Jews.
Thus, I say, Linder/VNN gets his funding fm source(s) who in turn get it fm Jews–as it serves general Jew purpose of chaos and confusion. There are other anti-Christs, as a certain character who posts here sometimes known as “Captain chaos,” aside fm above-noted “Curt.”
CONCLUSION: Note the necessary Christian goal is Jew-Expulsion–but real Christian is willing to align w. non-whites too–which Jews want to prevent–and that’s why Jews fund Linder/VNN and such as BNP in Britain/UK. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Harumphty;
So they banned this clown at VNN? I’m not surprised, I have over 20 years experience working at a mental health hospital, and this guy ranting and raving – well you know what I’m thinking, I’m sure.
Harumphty:
This is just too hilarious! Didn’t he just get done posting half a page entry to tell you to shut up a dozen or so times? Didn’t he just tell me that I should ignore him like I had suggested but then goes on making references to me in a subsequent post to you? And now I’m the “anti-Christ”? LOL, what next?
Oh yeah, our assessment of his mental status is 100% on target. It is a shame Keven MacDonald does not have more help. One joker like this will ruin this website.
Blog Dynamics Are Interesting To Analyze
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
I’d say Prof. Mac would be fairly interested to observe the sort of activity and genuine quality of DIALECTIC on his most excellent blog here:
(a) In mighty Apollonian, there’s un-doubted Christian soldier, dedicated anti-semite, who forthrightly prosecutes the Christian cause–ANTI-SEMITISM, as I’ve noted and expounded. And I make substantial contributions for observations to Prof’s more narrow cause of white liberation. I only pt. out how Jews are the problem, detailing my case in careful, scholarly fashion.
(b) “Zeitblom” is probably a Jew, surely, showing numerous Jew traits and markers for the inductive logic and conclusion–Jews of course are notorious liars (who lie to themselves, never forget), psychopaths, and subverters, pretending they’re “white,” etc. “Zeitblom” perhaps even thinks he has Darkmoon fooled.
(c) “Curt” is precisely the sort of dense type of non-Christian, “atheistic” -styled who’s attracted to VNN, as I note, classic “useful idiot,” who lets himself be inveigled by outright Jews like “Zeitblom.”
(d) Ditto for “Harumphty,” not too bright, but who pretends he’s witty and “smart,” even if not particularly anti-Christ, both these brainless ones taken-in by the Jewwy “Zeitblom.” Meantime, “Zeitblom” thinks he’s clever, typical Jewwy.
CONCLUSION: So overall, I consider this has been useful, interesting DIALECTIC for any psychologist–like our good Prof. Honest elections and death to the Fed.
“Curt” Beside Himself For His Own “Cleverness,” Tee Hee Hee . . .
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Curt”: I have no doubt u did work at a nut-house–and look what it did to u, u pathetic obsessed creature. Hey, I’ll bet u were FIRED for physically abusing ur patients/inmates, eh?–out of ur obvious frustration. Look at how psychotically obsessed u are for posting ur attempts at character-assassination–letting urself be taken-in by Jew like “Zeitblom.” Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
To Apollonian April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM:
Every post of yours has stuff that I find interesting. I’m not real familiar with VNN, but I have a friend who is, and I’ll be very interested to ask him what he thinks of your characterization of Lindner’s views and of the effect of those views.
I’ve only read you these two days, and there was one post in which you said that the only effective push-backs of Jewish power has been when Christianity really got its mojo working…I think you may have used different words, but roughly that idea.
That made a strong impression on me…I’m not religious, but I’ve wondered if with the decay of Christianity there will be any way to arouse the fervor necessary to overturn Jewish power.
It’s not that I don’t think you have contributions to make (I think the opposite), it’s that I don’t like to be insulted and I don’t like to see other people be insulted. And I don’t like to see a good blog destroyed by the effect that such insults have on us.
I don’t have any problem with thinking you might be smarter than me and might know more than me, but I wish you didn’t have a problem with that either.
Remove the slight at Curt from your post, and to me it’s an interesting post. But stop insulting us…it works to the detriment of what you’re trying to accomplish, even if you can’t see that it does.
Eileen and Zeitbloom are very welcome to join shamireaders group! We always can do with a sane nationalist!
Quit Crying, And Quit Making Demands Like Baby
(Apollonian, 29 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: u gotta quit crying like a baby; act like a man–I’ve been very kind to u, never doubt. U start something w. me comrade, and I’m a gonna finish it, don’t doubt. Don’t patronize me; u’re not in position to doing that.
CONCLUSION: My dialectic is strong; urs is weak and pathetic. So there u are. If u can’t take it, shut up and go somewhere else. Christian truth hurts, doesn’t it? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
I’m not patronizing you, just being honest with you. If you want to live your life as a crazy shmuck who causes devastation everywhere you go, that’s your choice, and have a great life.
Harumphty and CaptainChaos;
You fellows are just wasting your time with this. Ap is in his own world with his own “reality”. This guy cannot be reasoned with.
Curt: I guess you’re right.
Xanadu (aka Lasha Darkmoon) says:
April 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM
“Appollonian gets my vote. He’s an okay guy. I’ve met him on other sites and he was always great fun. Though admittedly a bit of a nutcase. But hey, aren’t we all?”
Perhaps the large number of readers that Apollonian will drive away are exactly a group that Dr. MacDonald would prefer not come here?
Dr. MacDonald wants only readers with a sufficient degree of psychopathy that they don’t mind seeing a crazy person deliver gratuitous nasty insults, and generate unpleasant insults in response?
If that’s not the case, then what are you thinking?
Harumphty;
I had completely overlooked that statement by Xanadu, or I would have probably commented on it myself earlier, but as it is, the whole thing is pointless. If that is her “vote”, then so be it. It is her blog, and if she wants to embrace an “anything goes” policy, that is her right. There goes the neighborhood :D
So its time to vote with your feet.
“So its time to vote with your feet.”
I would, if Ap’s butt was where I could kick it.
LOLOLOLOL!
Appollonian should be banned. He just clutters up the comments and forces me to skip over what he writes.
ok xanadu, against my better judgment i concede your point, namely jews should be accorded full equality with rats, even though on quantitative and qualitative scale they cause a great deal more damage.
moreover, i admit that this is an unproven statement, and will thus submit a grant proposal to break the deadlock.
in the meantime, stop the presses and hold your breath (i said nothing about the nose).
Hey “Lasha Darkmoon”,
thank you for portraying the enemy as an all powerful beast, Fox News couldn’t have done a better job. With such apocalyptic perspectives from within, who needs the neoconservatives? You’re doing their job for them, I understand the take home message from your articles, *Jews are paragons of intellect, nothing can stop their owe-inspiring power, our situation darkens as every days passes, muhahahaha*. I forgot, white people have never dislodged powerful elites throughout history, as is evidenced by Bourbon supremacy over France. In fact, royal absolutism reverberates in Western Europe to this very day!
In reality, Western intellectuals would make short work out of the Israel lobby, if the former would think in terms of GROUP dynamics, the latter would be expunged overnight. I don’t know about you, but I would rather engage in political battles with AIPAC than Machiavellian-style politics epitomized by Ferdinand and Isabella, Henry VIII, Louis XI, and Machiavelli himself! Also, wasn’t Spain dominated by Arabic Muslims, coupled with their Jewish allies? Didn’t the Jews assume an elite status in politics and finance? I believe they did, but somehow the mighty Spanish were able to shake off Islamic rule and subsequently expel the quisling Jews! I suppose the Jews aren’t the paragons of intellect as you try to convey them in your articles. (;
My Heart Bleeds
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
Awwwwwwwwww–Pooooooooooooooooor wittow Weggie-Weggie–he has to “skip over” stuff he doesn’t like. Boooooo hoooooooo hoooooooo. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Harumphty_Dumpty @ April 29, 2010 at 10:23 PM
Xanadu (aka Lasha Darkmoon) says:
April 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM
“Appollonian gets my vote. He’s an okay guy. I’ve met him on other sites and he was always great fun. Though admittedly a bit of a nutcase. But hey, aren’t we all?”
Perhaps the large number of readers that Apollonian will drive away are exactly a group that Dr. MacDonald would prefer not come here?
Dr. MacDonald wants only readers with a sufficient degree of psychopathy that they don’t mind seeing a crazy person deliver gratuitous nasty insults, and generate unpleasant insults in response?
If that’s not the case, then what are you thinking?
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Curt says @ April 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM
Harumphty,
I had completely overlooked that statement by Xanadu, or I would have probably commented on it myself earlier, but as it is, the whole thing is pointless. If that is her “vote”, then so be it. It is her blog, and if she wants to embrace an “anything goes” policy, that is her right. There goes the neighborhood
So its time to vote with your feet. :)
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Hi Harumphty & Curt!
A thousand apologies for giving you the totally wrong impression. By saying
“Apollonian gets my vote” I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you guys were in the wrong and that Apollonian was in the right. I’ve had no time to read Apollonian’s interrminable screeds or your spirited refutations of his views. By saying “Apollonian has my vote” I simply meant that APOLLONIAN SHOULD NOT BE DISENFRANCHISED.
Just as every citizen in our society, no matter how intellectually deficient, is allowed a vote in a general election, I honestly believe that every person who posts on a website should be allowed to post what he wants and make a fool of himself if he wishes.
Please note that Kevin MacDonald, who has absolute control over this blog, has not chosen to block Apollonian’s posts. He obviously feels it would be wrong to DISENFRANCHISE Apollonian from “casting his vote” (i.e. having his say) on this blog.
My own view is that Apollonian is a pretty harmless kook with an obsessive need to post comments on websites. He’s been at it for years. Is he a “Zionist troll? A disruptive influence? A pest? A nuisance?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was. :)
To repeat: I’m NOT saying Apollonian is right and you guys are wrong. All I’m doing is pleading for a more laissez-faire attitude toward eccentric and obsessive posters.
I’m thinking of that comment of Voltaire’s…what was it?….”I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’m willing to die for your right to say it.”
In short:freedom of speech for kooks.
lobro @ April 30, 2010 at 8:02 AM
Hi lobro, How’s life treating you? I hope all goes well and that you have finally achieved the wisdom and enlightenment you have been seeking for so long in that semi-tropical climate in which you sojourn.
I can imagine you sitting under a mango tree with a panatella, punching away at your keyboard, sipping a glass of wine and casting languishing looks at the sultry young lady at the adjacent table…who is in turn puffing away at a panatella, punching away at her keyboard, sipping a glass of wine and casting languishing looks at the sultry Canadian gent at the adjacent table sitting under a mango tree…etc etc :)
Yes, we are familiar with the Eliot quotation and have discussed it several times many moons ago. I posted a comment on this earlier. In case you missed it, I copy and paste it here again in an abbreviated form with one or two additions.
The inflammatory lines are:
The rats are underneath the piles,
The jew is underneath the lot.
The poem in its entirety may be read here:
http://www.infoplease.com/t/lit/poems-eliot-ts/2.html
In assessing the unspeakable offensivness of these lines, do try and remember that the poem containing the couplet is to be found in every single edition of Eliot’s poems.
On the strength of these lines, Eliot has been denounced as an incorrigible anti-Semite, notably by prominent British lawyer and academic Dr Anthony Julius, best known for his actions on behalf of Diana, Princess of Wales and Deborah Lipstadt. Senior consultant for the London law firm Mishcon de Reya. Dr Julius launched an all-out attack on Eliot in his book, T.S. Eliot, Anti-Semitism and Literary Form (Cambridge University Press 1995). The book was based on his own PhD thesis.
It’s amusing to note that one of the things that incensed Julius, almost to the point of apoplexy, was the fact that Eliot had committed the cardinal sin of spelling the word “Jew” with a small-case ‘j’ in early editions of his poem. Thus: “the jew is underneath the lot”. To appease his wrath, subsequent editions were amended and the small ‘j’ became a big ‘J’.
Jewish honor was restored.
Eliot had deliberately used a small ‘j’ — and it is still used in many editions — because he wished to draw a distinction between the generic “jew” (jews as a whole) and the individual “Jew” (every single Jew) in order to avoid the charge of anti-Semitism.
To exonerate Eliot even further, it has been argued that he, the poet, was not the speaker in these lines, but that the lines were to be attributed to a persona. All these subtle distinctions were lost on Dr Julius.
I think Eliot was a problem for the Frankfurt School intellectuals, most of whom were Jewish. They found his commitment to Christianity and Christian mysticism repugnant. Hence a deep-seated desire to defame him.
Eliot, after all, was a strikingly effective advertisement for Christianity — a sophisticated Christianity that was reinforced by the great insights found in the Oriental religions, particularly Buddhism and Vedanta. He was living proof of the truism that without God there can be no great art.
Eliot has survived the vicious attacks on him. He remains, easily, the best poet of the 20th century. An incomparable genius.
No other 20th century poet comes anywhere near him, except perhaps Rilke —who also, curiously enough, had a pronounced mystical bent.
”I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’m willing to die for your right to say it.”’
But he didn’t!
as Enoch Powell pointed out
Darkmoon’s Art Put To Honest Analysis
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
Gosh “Lasha,” but thanks for ur patronizing vote of confidence, such as it is. Note then u only expose urself for one thing at least–and that’s issue of who/what is “troll.” A “troll” then is just someone u don’t like, eh?–and that’s it.
U seriously cannot figure it (issue of “troll” or not) out?–even after all my “obsessive” posting, in order, as I consider, to make things clear?–Gosh then, but what failure I’ve been, eh?
I submit then u urself overlook this latest great development in scholarly discourse–that tremendous BLOG-ART featuring DIALECTIC. Do u realize blogging, over just past ten yrs or so (even less) has single-handedly, essentially DESTROYED heretofore invincible “Jews-media” machine for its hold and effect on “mass-consciousness”?
For I’ve discovered tremendous things, I submit, as (a) the purpose of anti-Christ Alex Linder/VNN web-site, funded un-doubtedly by Jews, as I hypothesize, this in order to subvert Christian front, keeping gentiles in-fighting among white and non-white–same as for BNP in England.
(b) Then there are the rationalist-styled Pelagianist-Moralist websites, like MajorityRights.com and OccidentalDissent.com (also AgeOfTreason.blogspot site) who/which second Jews on issue of subjectivism-moralism as I’ve noted so often.
(c) Finally, there are the extreme self-righteous “Christian” -type sites who emphasize mystic “faith” and irrationalism–AGAINST REASON, as “Father John” at “TheWhiteChrist” wordpress blog, among many others, like SpiritWaterBlood.com–which actually collaborates with anti-Christ Linder/VNN.
And thus observe how I expose the Jews, et al., by inexorable method of INDUCTIVE LOGIC–as by means of my analysis at above entry of April 29, 2010 at 6:19 PM. So u say I’m “obsessive fool”–that’s fine–but I seriously consider myself “happy warrior,” soldier-of-God, never doubt.
And I consider this dialectic method is useful and valuable for exposure of Jew and for all the Jew methods–how Jews like “Zeitblom” (who seems to have fooled u somewhat, at least briefly) manipulate “useful idiots” like “Curt” and “Harumphty.”
Have u noticed how JEWS HAVE FAILED so signally for this incredible new blogging art and methodology?–featuring such DIALECTIC art?–and do u doubt now Jews are thus determined to remove internet?–this is serious stuff.
So “Lasha,” I submit u “wouldn’t be surprised”–because u can’t figure things out–and we can only speculate as to why. For I note u’re very weak upon the Christian-Jew issue, u seeming to think there are “good Jews,” like there are “good Talmudists,” like there are “good psychopaths.”
But I try to understand as u’re obviously addicted (“obsessed” in ur own way), as I was, to place in “academia,” so Jew-infested, -affected, and -corrupted. U ABSOLUTELY MUST FORCE URSELF TO BELIEVE THERE ARE “GOOD JEWS”–otherwise u’d have to remove fm ur comfy place, as u’ve been brought to think.
Otherwise, I figure as long as u’re on steady course of general anti-semitism (anti-lies, hence anti-subjectivism), u can’t be all wrong or too bad, ur art being really rather tame, as I noted. Ur art and scholarship will only “take flight,” so to speak, as u oppose Jews most forthrightly–whence they will banish u fm ur cherished “academia,” I assure u.
CONCLUSION: And dear “Lasha,” u just have to forgive me for not cutting fools and “useful idiots” like “Curt” and “Harumphty” much “slack”–it really is UN-FORGIVABLE their advocating censorship of mighty Apollonian who does so well for his efforts as I consider. Battle really is TRUTH vs. Lies, Jews the all-time leaders for such lies, who so easily manipulate “useful idiots.” Honest patriots don’t fear Apollonian “obsession”–they just carry on for their observations and conclusions. If Ap is wrong for his conclusions, they only need pt. out the errors in premises–which is so difficult–as it is for u. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
@ Patrick R, April 30, 2010 at 8:20 AM: thank you for that excellent post, Patrick! My feelings exactly. Why are these so-called White Nationalists feigning helplessness and despair while simultaneously nurturing the idea of Jewish exceptionalism? They (many WN thinkers) most certainly are trying to cast a pall over this movement…why?
@ everyone else: I am announcing my candidacy for President of the Aryan People! Here’s my platform: I guarantee that if I’m elected I will hand-pick 100 strong, healthy, white men to help me lop off the hidden-hand that now manipulates the WN movement! We will travel around the country – armed with 101 American-made baseball bats and a state-of-the-art polygraph machine – meeting with Aryan “leaders” and WN thinkers for the purposes of identifying and removing Jew infiltrators and their shabbos goy. Along the way we will also visit with white business leaders, multimillionaires and billionaires for the purposes of stuffing our war-chest with cash…I’ll make them an offer they cannot refuse!
Armed with sufficient funding, I will hand-pick 10 top-notch educators to assist me in the development of an easy-to-use accelerated learning program (k-12) that can be used in-home by minimally-trained white parents to provide their children with an education that far surpasses anything available anywhere on earth.
As your President I will also oversee the development of a training program for parents. This program will provide Aryan parents with powerful state-of-the-art tools and techniques that will help them to meet the challenges of modern life and produce very high quality citizens of the world…in spite of Jewish/liberal meddling!
You people need to start DEMANDING competent leadership…the clock is ticking.
Lasha Darkmoon writes:
“In short:freedom of speech for kooks”
Aren’t we all children of the 60s, in spite of ourselves!
I was in a far-left rad group in the 60s that could get nothing done because of one disruptive member, but of course we couldn’t expel him because that would have been “anti-democratic,” or whatever!
Yes, freedom for everyone, blacks, criminals, and lunatics, to live unrestrained among us, in whatever neighborhood they choose….in real life I’ve experienced the delights of that freedom (as did Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom….what enabled them to be carjacked was that they and the carjackers were both visiting friends at the same apt. complex the night they were carjacked in the complex’s parking lot).
Like social programs, the magnificent freedoms our people have developed work best when our group hasn’t been corrupted.
But I’m of two minds about Apo…your positive comment about him last night tickled some reactions in me I’d been vaguely having…that there IS a certain weird charm to the guy (for me, and I gather for you, and so probably for some others)
He caught me off guard when I was a newcomer and wasn’t expecting to be suddenly insulted for no reason, but now that I see his shtick (sorry, I perversely love to use Jew words) I’ll simply insult him back….it’s not the sort of thing I enjoy most, and it feels emotionally wearing and empty* over time, but I do enjoy it.
But my large correspondence with posters on a couple of sites I’ve posted at for several years makes me very certain that Apo’s insults, and the vile insults he’ll receive in return from posters like myself, and just the general empty quarreling his insults will continue to produce, will drive away a large number of potential posters (certainly including possibly myself…perhaps no great loss) and READERS. You’ve apparently had enough posting experience to have a basis to consider this; I doubt very much that Dr. MacDonald has.
So, there’s a problem here with Apo that needs to be considered. I tend to be wishy-washy and am no longer as certain of the right solution (kicking him off) as before, but it’s a problem that needs to be recognized as a problem, and not just left to drift unregarded.
*Joe webb, I loved your early post in which you said,
“The relative social isolation of any individual leads, on average, toward indiscriminate emotional attachment toward anybody who happens to show up. Thus the Individualism of the White West, tends toward relative social isolation of many (who will of course deny it) and therefore to social and intellectual Outreach toward Strangers, particularly Strangers who have been romanticized by Humanitarian ideology”
Such “strangers who have been romanticized by Humanitarian ideology” include not only Haitian orphans, but IMO also lunatics at home like Apo.
In any case, I certainly saw a lot of my own behavior in this comment of yours…I certainly arrive at new websites, or new places in real life, much too emotionally open to whatever strangers or strangeness I might encounter there.
Lasha Darkmoon writes:
“Kevin MacDonald…has not chosen to block Apollonian’s posts. He obviously feels it would be wrong to DISENFRANCHISE Apollonian…”
KMD is extremely busy, and I doubt if he is very much even aware of Apollonian’s existence.
“Harumphty”: Put Him Out Of His Misery Already
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: whine, whine, whine, cry, cry, cry, oooooooooooohhh me, ooooooohhh my, I’m soooooooo “persecuted”–u know who u sound like? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Apo writes:
“Do u realize blogging, over just past ten yrs or so (even less) has single-handedly, essentially DESTROYED heretofore invincible “Jews-media” machine for its hold and effect on ‘mass-consciousness’?”
Even you, combining you own illusions of grandeur with White Nationalists’ often inflated idea of their own present importance in the U.S., can’t truly believe such a silly statement.
When the masses go online to seek discussion of issues, they go to sites that are just extensions of what they watch on TV. They don’t LIKE new ideas, of ANY kind.
If you don’t believe it, try posting somewhere in the MSM for a couple of years, and listen to them*….and better yet, try your “persuasiveness” on them…that should be a hoot for you AND for them!
If the internet begins to really make inroads, the chances are that we may then begin to notice that the internet is becoming rather sadly changed, I suspect.
*Possibly I’m extrapolating too much from Knoxville, which may be an extreme case.
we’ll test the effectiveness of your wellwishing, xanadu, but regardless of the outcome, my gratitude – muy amable.
and a true story: at one point i thought i’d made a proper eye contact with the lady in question and made a timid hand wave, only to be intercepted by a passing young gay kid who happily waved back.
her gaze turned stony again … now hoping that when the mango drops, it won’t be too large.
as for the inflammatory lines, while my research failed to confirm the first one, it amply corroborated the second, so that i won’t pursue the question any further.
P.S. My friend who has hung out a lot at VNN thinks you could be right about Lindner.
But every conceivable thought about Lindner is held by someone. I’ve always thought it’s nuts to reason backwards from the effects someone has to “deduce” their motivations.
Apollonian:
Consider it patronizing, or attempted flattery if you wish, but I do in fact find your posts interesting.
For example, I would very much like to know what the hell you’re talking about in this statement (especially in regard to Occidental Dissent):
“(b) Then there are the rationalist-styled Pelagianist-Moralist websites, like MajorityRights.com and OccidentalDissent.com (also AgeOfTreason.blogspot site) who/which second Jews on issue of subjectivism-moralism as I’ve noted so often.”
If you’ve explained these terms before, you need to do it again from time to time for newcomers. Unless of course you’re only writing to the only person smart enough to understand you, yourself.
“Harumphty” Challenges, Gets Smashed–Again
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: It’s well-known circulation for big-time newspapers like Wash. Post and NY Times have been going dramatically down, consistently now, for yrs–same for viewership on TV. General Trend is un-questionably against establishment, without doubt.
Thus scene is set for new cultural “paradigm” or Hegelian-type “thesis” when proverbial economic excrement hits fan soon, very soon, comrade. US Dollar is getting ready to collapse, don’t doubt–then people are going to learn meaning of word, “suffering.”
Further, Inductive logic and conclusion within folks’ minds for 9-11 mass murder by Israel and “neo-cons” is also getting ready to burst.
And soon enough, people are going to understand why our ancestors had such an incredible, never-ending, absolutely over-whelming HATRED of Jews, beginning of which they never really knew, but which was passed fm generation to generation.
CONCLUSION: “Harumphty,” ur continuing, utterly brainless presumption is ur own worst enemy–u should keep it to urself rather than challenging me to confront u with it so directly in ur face. But u’re “glutton for punishment,” aren’t u? Just quit ur crying. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
apollonian @ April 30, 2010 at 10:16 AM
So “Lasha,” I submit u “wouldn’t be surprised”–because u can’t figure things out–and we can only speculate as to why. For I note u’re very weak upon the Christian-Jew issue, u seeming to think there are “good Jews,” like there are “good Talmudists,” like there are “good psychopaths.”
Thanks for these inspired musings, dear Apollonian, and above all for being so good-humored about my somewhat uncharitable assessment of your character. How dare I call you a “kook” when I’ve been so unkindly castigated for kookiness myself?
Any idea that you could be a “Zionisdt troll” is one I dismiss out of hand as nonsense. If anything, you reveal yourself by your above remark in bold print as an extreme anti-Semite.
The inference anyone would have to draw from your above comment is that Jews, by definition, are bad. ALL Jews. Just like all psychopaths are bad.
I’ve met with this attitude before. There’s no such thing as “good vermin”, I was told in an angry email by a correspondent who objected to my observation that not all Jews were bad.
This guy was angry with me for not agreeing with him that ALL Jews were beyond redemption
I think the most effective cure for such extreme anti-Semitism is to actually meet a few Jews. To make friends with them. Better still, try falling in love with a Jew. Marrying that Jew. Having children with that Jew.
You will find this the best possible cure for anti-Semitism. :)
I may rage against “organized Jewry”, Apollonian, but I have no indiscriminate animosity toward Jews in general. There are inded many foolish Jews who give their support to organized Jewry, duped by these elite Jews… but if they are to be hated for doing this, they must not be hated any more than all the shabbat goys who do exactly the same thing.
The Christian Zionists who rejoice in the death of Rachel Corrie must surely be hated as much as the Jews who rejoice in Rachel’s death.
Bad Jews should not be hated more than bad gentiles.
If I’m about to be raped and killed by a serial killer, I’m hardly likely to specify that I’d rather be raped and killed by a gentile than by a Jewish serial killer. :)
This proves the illogicality of indiscriminate anti-Semitism.
“Good-Evil” Pelagianism Only Helps Jews, Confuses Gentiles
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
“Harumphty”: note large cultural battle is Christian theme (as Gosp. JOHN 14:6) of TRUTH vs. lies (JOHN 8:44), Jews the acknowledged master-liars, lying being their very (Talmudic) religion. In strict philosophic terms, this Christian theme converts/translates to Aristotelian objective vs. Kantian subjective.
So moralism-Pharisaism (“good-evil” fallacy/delusion/heresy) is particular hubristic vehicle Jews make use of for inveigling gentiles–as esp. of Immanuel Kant.
CONCLUSION: Above-cited sites then are notorious for pretending to “white nationalism,” but always spouting forth about such moralism. Obviously determinist reality precludes/denies such fatuous “good-evil,” pure subjectivism. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Harumphty_Dumpty & April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM
To Lasha Darkmoon:
I like your writing (a lot…I was utterly charmed by your comparison of present-day U.S. and pre-war Germany, and the frightening differences you pointed out), and I like your style, and I’d probably be less inclined to want to tone you down any than Dr. MacDonald would.
But I’m just a fanatic about accuracy.
Or at least I think I am. I see I made an error in saying that one of the victims in the K-town crime stayed alive 2 or 3 days…best info is actually 1 day, I now find out.
A friend tells me I overreacted to your error, and maybe he’s right. I do wish I hadn’t gotten so upset about it, and had corrected you in a more friendly manner.”
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Thanks, Harumphty, but no need to apologize. I don’t think you said anything unforgivable! In my opinion, you are one of those more perceptive posters here, with a flair for polemics and logical argumentation. You would have made a good forensic scientist or criminal lawyer.
Awwwwwwwwww–Pooooooooooooooooor wittow Weggie-Weggie–he has to “skip over” stuff he doesn’t like. Boooooo hoooooooo hoooooooo. Honest
And:
“Harumphty”: whine, whine, whine, cry, cry, cry, oooooooooooohhh me, ooooooohhh my, I’m soooooooo “persecuted”–u know who u sound like?
Oh wow! Such witty repartee!
What a great, well thought-out answer to those with whom you disagree.
I’m glad I found such a sophisticated site with such erudite posters!
The discourse on this thread is SO witty, the come-backs and responses SO
scintillating.
And Lasha even writes “Apollonian has my vote!” and believes: “APOLLONIAN SHOULD NOT BE DISENFRANCHISED!”
She’s correct, of course.
I believe Kevin MacDonald should let you write for OO, as you show such an obvious talent for in-depth analysis, witticisms and deep insight into Jewish issues and the fall of Western Civilization.
And to Lasha:
I guess it’s OK with you for Apollonian to run rough-shod over your readers and commenters debasing and insulting them at will.
“… I honestly believe that every person who posts on a website should be allowed to post what he wants and make a fool of himself if he wishes…”
Yes, even to the point of driving your readers and posters away who are tired of the puerile antics you allow from the foolish Apollonian.
Your readers deserve to be attacked if they continue to post here and YOU and KMac not only allow Apollonain free reign to patronize your posters but find him amusing as well.
I believe he is not what he says he is and is here to drive away your readers and posters.
And Apollonian:
You can’t insult me. I work with mentally ill teenagers, you’d fit right in with the deviants, the sexual deviants.
To Apo at 1:22 PM…if I kept it to myself, you wouldn’t get to answer, nutcase.
Interesting post…I didn’t know that TV viewership was down…what I do know is that in two or three years of posting at knoxnews.com, I rarely heard any thought outside the conservative/liberal mainstream.
(Well, I don’t keep up with the mainstream real well, but I’m assuming that the almost universal opposition to illegal, if not legal, immigration, and the sparser opposition to racial preferences given to blacks, etc. that posters on knoxnews reflected, are within the conservative mainstream)
I disagree with you that it is likely that in the coming madness, whenever it arrives, people will reach even a clear visceral reaction to Jewish power. HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
Right now, there is a fairly strong swell out there against black criminality and other black offenses against whites, and a somewhat vaguer swell against the Mexican and third world demographic onslaught, but there is NO recognition that Jews have anything to do with any of it!
Because blacks and Mexicans are VISIBLE, and are doing what they do VISIBLY.
While to all casual appearances, Jews are model citizens.
Well, let me emend…what I said above is what I gather from the mainstream posters and correspondents I have at knoxnews.com.
But I did talk with a neighbor/friend the other day here where I live in Berkeley, Ca., a professional, and he said almost everyone he knew knew Jews were pulling a lot of strings.
So I guess I don’t know.
Ph.d?–Of What?–Utterly Oblivious To Reality
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
“Lasha,” here u are, alleged Ph.d, and u can’t do simple research?–see RevisionistHistory.org and Come-and-hear.com, and see what Talmud is all about–it’s about killing and enslaving gentiles.
“Lasha,” u’re just one of those most pathetic, utterly dis-connected, lost in world of abstractions. Try not to go walking into any walls. Surely u realize we’ve hrd all ur platitudes before–u’re a Ph.d?–good gravy.
At age of 56, I assure u I’ve encountered numerous hook-noses, many of them in “higher education” before I finally got kicked-out of grad school (history, fraudulent academic susp.).
And yes Lasha, I’m Christian–the real kind–an anti-semite (anti-Talmud, as Gosp.s MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9) who upholds truth. So what can I say about u?–u’re truly sad case, utterly lost in “ivory tower” abstractions, classic example.
CONCLUSION: No wonder ur art is soooo weak, pedestrian, tame, and watery, u ironically thinking it’s soooo “radical.” And “Lasha,” here’s a clue–U’RE the “shabbat goy,” sticking up for psychopaths like u do. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
>”…like there are “good psychopaths.””
Well, there is at least one “good psychopath” Lasha can unfortunately think of. I say unfortunately because it seems to me an indication her judgement is not very secure in respect to reason or good taste. Our friend Ap is a clear-cut clinical case; again, that’s not meant as a rant. Intelligent psychopaths such as Ap can have some appeal and even unusual and lucid insights (one has to love his laconical ceterum censeo), but everything else screams out loud clinical paranoia and religious fanaticism here. The strongest indicator is the absence of any humour, at least if oneself is concerned. Ap’s whole mindset is like a self-serving brick wall, or rather a self-defense machine of the mind based on the typically psychopathic axiom that he alone found truth revealed. Gilbert Keith Chesterton described this mindset perfectly in his book “Orthodoxy”, one of his most wonderful works. Any discussion here is completely fruitless. Some of you already have fallen into the trap and entangled in a debate that leads nowhere but ceaseless insulting and wasting of time. Don’t let yourself get sucked into this framework. Once you accept its self-serving rules, you lose.
I think it was Hunter Wallace on OD that remarked how much these taboo issues such as antisemitism over-proportionally attract kooks and psychos. Obsessive antisemitism can be become a severe infection of the mind until it leads to spiritual dementia and demonological superstition. “Antisemitism” should never slip into this mindless “demonisation” of “The Jews”, a notion that pretty soon becomes an abstract and questionably gnostic metaphor for evil incarnated. But “Evil” cannot be dealt with or projected off in such a ultimately rather harmless and infantile way. It is crucial for our cause to stay rational, sane, grown-up, human (yes, human) and factual. The filters must be absolutely clear and incorruptible here. Once you let the kookism loose, it drags everything down the shitty vortex of madness. This is especially dangerous as the the line between cutting through lies and manipulations and the fallacies of the paranoid “conspiracy” mindset can be very thin.
Yes, as Lasha said, we might be all a bit crazy, as it is difficult to stay sane in a crazy, upside down world like this, especially for sensitive and intelligent people. And it is hard to see some things as desperate as they are and then face them; many crack at that point and then they escape into religious zealotry, gnostic manichaean obsessions and the delusional know-it-all-bias of conspiracy-paranoia. The basis of all this is FEAR. And again, that fear is certainly justified. But it can be very corruptive to rationality.
As for Lasha, her mind seems to work very much to the “right side” of the brain, and that is also where art and myth are at home. As many other readers her semi-legendary article about art really stuck deeply with me, though it had some issues as well. I think the main problem with her “Goodbye America” piece is that it is not poetic enough. It is too much of a hybrid, and what she tried to mix into the pot has not ripened yet nor has it been properly digested. All this collage mix of Dees, The Great Beast, 19th century poetry, Nietzsche, Dostoyevskij, Lukacs, Freud, the Frankfurters, the Christian-Newsom-murdercase etc. is too much of a psychedelic mash-up agit-prop for me, and that people such as Ap are immediately attracted to that sort of thing should be a sign of warning.
As some wise man said, who doesnt believe in myths, believes in lies. The mythical, epic images hold truth, and probably the superior, but it should not confused with the serious, feet-on-the-ground analysis that Prof. MacDonald is rightfully so highly estimated for.
“But I did talk with a neighbor/friend the other day here where I live in Berkeley, Ca., a professional, and he said almost everyone he knew knew Jews were pulling a lot of strings.” ( — Humpty Dumpty)
I hope your friend is right. I mean, how blind can you be? OK, OK, for an eternity there was only the Jewish-owned mainstream mass media which kept the Jewish role hidden withe extreme care (and was itself carefully kept under Jewish ownership, something which is now obvious with hindsight: the Jewish monopoly ownership of all that did NOT just “happen to turn out that way, well whaddya know, the Jews own the entire industry, fancy that” — no, sorry, try another story, I’m not swallowing that one) — but in the age of the internet? Are you kidding??? It’s GOTTA dawn on these people sooner or later!
I myself was pretty zombified till I got online in the year 2000 and even then, with lots of thinking and online reading, it took me till half-way through 2006 before I began to really grasp the Jewish role in my mind. But we’re ten years into freedom of info now, so really there’s little excuse any more, for anyone who gives a damn at all. Anyone who gives a damn whatsoever should by now be informed.
Lasha writes:
“There are inded many foolish Jews who give their support to organized Jewry, duped by these elite Jews… but if they are to be hated for doing this, they must not be hated any more than all the shabbat goys who do exactly the same thing.”
At first reading, I agreed enthusiastically, and chortled with delight at this!
But as so often, I then had second thoughts.
I doubt that masses are often moved by reason (but if historically, I’m mistaken about that, I would very much like to hear so)….if whites eventually throw off Jewish power, it will probably be through being stirred one way or another to hatred of Jews, period.
For those of us like myself who have good Jewish friends, or who have Jewish family by marriage as you seem to imply you may have, those are going to be hard times.
I’ll be long gone, but you and others will be in the soup!
good lord, too much to read!!
we’re ten years into freedom of info now”
I refer of course to when internet use and blogs really began to take off — ten to twelve years ago. Of course for many it was earlier, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five years ago although pickings were pretty slim in those early days.
To Fred Scrooby April 30, 2010 at 2:47 PM:
So you’re one datum that supports Apo’s claim that the internet is strongly working for us.
I’ve just received this private email and have decided to copy and post an edited version here, without revealing my correspondent’s name and address. The email is highly relevant to our discussions. This is why I post it.
To Dr. Lasha Darkmoon:
This week,two young, White ladies in their twenties were robbed and attacked by black men in Chicago. The attack was savage, and much more force was used than needed to get the money. The only reason we know the attackers were black is because one of the girls got a description. The girl who received the most blows was visiting from N. Ireland and stood only about 5 feet tall. The Chicago Tribune (Sam Zell) played down the racial aspect of the crime. Had the victim been a homosexual,the “hate-crime” angle would have been very prominent.That’s for sure. This happened last weekend in Chicago…..
TOO’s Edmund Connelly sees a parallel for black on White violence in America similar to South Africa or Rhodesia. I agree, and also believe that the far sighted jews are “greasing the tracks” for this to happen in the future by making Whites appear almost inhuman in all their writings. They are definitely working to a plan. I would suggest a jewish false flag incident such as a faked attack on a jewish day school by “neo-nazis or skinheads.”
You’re right about a correlation between minority status and violence. Absolutely right. When the White population reaches some magical percentage,the jews will press their hate and arrogance. They will “run out of patience” with us and the violence will begin with their spotless innocence intact, of course. An excuse will be needed for the media to consume. Pictures,Pictures,Pictures. And then, it will begin. I also predict that jews will develop special methods of training blacks and others to carry out the unspeakable. They will wear uniforms, but be devoid of any pity or morality at all. They will be rewarded as well. Not dissimilar to how people behave in pornography. Another jewish innovation.
These soldiers will be desensitized completely and totally jew-loyal. But the key will be White minority status, jewish political power, and the false flag attack.
I’ll close by saying I like your style of writing, agree with you and wish you the best. I do appreciate your articles.
Best Regards, M
To SerenusZeitblomApril 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM:
I have to slightly like a guy who characterizes me as “pretends to be witty”…that’s such a marvelous phrase.
To me the problem with apo is not his nuttiness, but his INSULTING PEOPLE.
I may be able to handle it, we’ll see…but many potential posters will not be able to handle it, and shouldn’t have to, of course!!! Among friends (a la the wonderful post by Joe webb, i almost foolishly feel like Apo and I are old buddies already)….among friends, trading insults is one thing, but it shouldn’t be permitted that newcomers to the thread especially be suddenly ambushed by such gratuitous nastiness.
And many potential READERS will not read a site that has insults, returned insults (you can count on me for plenty of those when my thin skin gets pricked), and the empty quarrels that result….THIS SITE WILL LOSE READERS.
Now I’ll read the rest of your post.
Jewwy Comedians Attack
(Apollonian, 30 Apr 10)
Uh, right, “Zeitblom”–like I say–u’re Jew urself, aren’t u? Ha. So much for ur schizoid babbling.
Seriously Jew, don’t u think u “protesteth too much”? And u don’t really want people to actually read ur babble as u don’t bother breaking ur paragraphs down to smaller, more digestible parts, do u? Like typical Jew u think folks will be intimidated by sheer mass of crap.
But I agree w. u, “discussion” is “completely fruitless.”
And Jew, seriously, I assure u, u’re NOT “white”–anymore than mestizos or mulattos are white–so u can give it up pretending, though of course, that’s what Jews do–pretending they’re human.
Here’s my favorite part of ur brainless schizoid ranting:
“All this collage mix of Dees, The Great Beast, 19th century poetry, Nietzsche, Dostoyevskij, Lukacs, Freud, the Frankfurters, the Christian-Newsom-murdercase etc. is too much of a psychedelic mash-up agit-prop for me, and that people such as Ap are immediately attracted to that sort of thing should be a sign of warning.”
CONCLUSION: Indeed–just as u say, I’m sure. U and “Harumphty” are riot of a tag-team–the schizoid and the “useful idiot,” truly. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Zeitbloom..I was naive to address the nuttiness and the insulting as separate issues. When someone’s in a frozen state, every part of them is frozen…no part is likely to be changeable.
That’s how I recall a group’s long struggle with another character like Apo.
Lasha,
ignore the madmen and respond to the points I made above.
I swear, I think Apo is performing a useful function. Like a Court jester. He has an eye for the weak spots. Sorry, that’s what I’m thinking, as I read one post of his after another. He brings up things I wouldn’t otherwise consider, and I can forgive a lot for that.
I’m not saying that’s worth what his insults will do to this site. I guess Dr. MacDonald will have to judge that, if he can find time for it.
Bon, From the Land of Babble says:
April 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM
And to Lasha:
I guess it’s OK with you for Apollonian to run rough-shod over your readers and commenters debasing and insulting them at will.
“… I honestly believe that every person who posts on a website should be allowed to post what he wants and make a fool of himself if he wishes…”
Yes, even to the point of driving your readers and posters away who are tired of the puerile antics you allow from the foolish Apollonian.
Your readers deserve to be attacked if they continue to post here and YOU and KMac not only allow Apollonain free reign to patronize your posters but find him amusing as well.
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Please understand that this blog is not MY blog and I have no control over who posts here. This is Kevin MacDonald’s website. It is HE who decides.
I have merely expressed an opinion that is contrary to yours: that Apollonian should not be disenfranchised. And that YOU, sir, should not be allowed to take away his vote!
Tell me, sir, is it not slightly authoritaran of you that you should try to impose your opinion of Apollonian on me? Do I browbeat you and say: “Abandon your opinion and accept mine!”
No, sir, I do not! I LET you have your opinion. Do me the courtesy of allowing me to have mine! :)
Be a good boy (or girl) and get yourself some humane tolerance.
Harumphty,
Zeitblom had a great post back there :
“Our friend Ap is a clear-cut clinical case”, and spells it out in clear clinical detail- it was a great read.
and your revelation;”I was naive to address the nuttiness and the insulting as separate issues. ” surprised me- what took you so long to see that?
I just dropped by to see how the ApoFollies are going! I am interested to see how long you fellows are going to pursue this.
My dearest Appirstein … you have NO IDEA how freakin HILARIOUS your compulsive maniacal ranting is. It is also somewhat scary. Seriously, this is as cartoonish as it gets. Push the robot’s button and off it goes like a humming-top or a machine gun: JEWJEWJEWJEWJEW. Is there anything else left in your brain or has too much kikeblaming left too scorched earth already? You sound and react in fact like a walking cliché dreamed up by Abe Foxman. I could tell you, just to get a bit of a picture of the full hilariousness of this situation, that I am in fact a 100% All-Aryan German from Europe, writing not even in my mother tongue here, complete with blond hair, blue eyes and a definitely straight nose, but as you can never know for certain anyway, I can easily just keep you guessing as well. “Itz” more fun that way also. If it helps you to deal better and less hysterically with dissent, please feel free to continue imagining me as some diabolic hooknose (but you dont need me to tell you that, do you?)
Now, before you break into another of your tiresome Tourette-Syndrome-fits spouting your favourite word ever three times a sentence, please just kill yourself or at least confine yourself to some nice quiet place in the green, or PLEASE admins just block this guy finally, will you???
And, YES, Harumphty D., in this case nuttiness IS the problem…
Sorry guys, I begin to understand how hard it is to resist here… ;) Nuff said.
to apollonian says April 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM:
This post helped a little, maybe.
“So moralism-Pharisaism (”good-evil” fallacy/delusion/heresy) is particular hubristic vehicle Jews make use of for inveigling gentiles–as esp. of Immanuel Kant……Above-cited sites then are notorious for pretending to “white nationalism,” but always spouting forth about such moralism. Obviously determinist reality precludes/denies such fatuous “good-evil,” pure subjectivism.”
Okay, another part of joe webb’s early post I like a lot was his discussion of “dangerous/not dangerous” as more useful categories than “good/evil.”
So I’ll be interested now when I go to Occidental Dissent to see if there’s good/evil moralizing there, and how it’s playing for Jews, etc.
But I’m not even sure that’s what you’re saying…you could put some effort into making your ideas clearer. And I doubt I’m the only person here who knows nothing about Kant, and even less than nothing about “Pharisaism.” Certainly you must know that…don’t just write for yourself.
“Better still, try falling in love with a Jew. Marrying that Jew. Having children with that Jew.”
Procreation between Jews and Whites is hardly something to be encouraged as both parents’ and the resultant children’s genetic interests will be tied to the larger Jewish ethny. And similarly, we are informed that the cure to our ‘racism’ is to miscegenate with every variety of non-White under the sun.
SerenusZeitblom April 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM:
LMFAO! Well, too much fun..gotta’ go.
Lasha writes:
“…Apollonian should not be disenfranchised”
Isn’t this just the “accept everyone” philosophy that’s helping destroy the country?
I’m still ambivalent…I’m certainly enjoying the NO MODERATION on this site much more than I “enjoy” (don’t enjoy it at all!) the moderation at Amren and at knoxnews.com.
Lasha:
Do you consider Apollonian spewing personal invectives against other posters as his ‘opinion?’
“…Tell me, sir, is it not slightly authoritaran of you that you should try to impose your opinion of Apollonian on me? Do I browbeat you and say: ‘Abandon your opinion and accept mine!’…”
I resent and reject your notion that I am authoritarian, ‘slightly’ or not.
I, and it seems a few others, are tired of being attacked in a hostile, puerile manner when we post here–with very good reason.
I, and it seems a few others, would like to have a civil discourse about topics that interest us without being personally attacked in a childish, hostile manner, told such things as ‘shut ur mouth and go somewhere else’ or the ‘Booooohoooohooo.’
How you believe that comments such as that are ‘opinions’ is beyond me.
I am all for open criticism and debate as warranted, and welcome it, not uninvited, silly, unmannered, personal attacks.
It seems you would rather have a jerk like Apollonian on your site to personally degrade and debase other posters than someone ‘slightly authoritarian’ such as myself.
If that is your ‘opinion’ I will never agree with it.
It’s an obvious troll, and if it didn’t post in *every single thread* multiple times it would be easy to ignore.
But now it’s trolled everyone to talk about it.
The point is to drive traffic to an “anti-semite” blog that calls for genocide, murder, and other illegal acts. It’s a low rent Hal Turner.
MacDonald should sue.
Bon, From the Land of Babble @ April 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM
“Lasha:
It seems you would rather have a jerk like Apollonian on your site to personally degrade and debase other posters than someone ’slightly authoritarian’ such as myself.
If that is your ‘opinion’ I will never agree with it.”
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Take it easy, dear Bon From the Land of Babble! How could I seriously object to the “opinions” of a poster with such an inspired name? :)
Two points:
1. I used to post on the xymphora website in its heyday — it’s changed now and I no longer post there — when it was completely unmonitored and people like Apollonian were allowed to give free rein to their fantasies there. Personal abuse and vilification were common. I was myself under constant attack. Xymphora made no attempt to censor anything. The result is that, despite all the abuse and annoying distractions, his site was vibrant and alive. Almost addictive.
Then Xymphora got cold feet ad did a complete U-turn. Strict monitoring began. Posters were vetted. You had to be “respectable” to post your opinions on his site. You had to jump through hoops to gain admission.The result? A mass exodus from the site! No one wanted to post on the site any more. Only 4 posters remained, pathetic shadows sparring at themselves.
Conclusion: if you want to lose posters and readers, monitor all posts and police everything that is ever said on your site.
People like Apollonian were ignored on the xymphora website. Denied attention, they soon went away.
To do justice to Apollonian, he is not one of these boring posters. He is fascinating. An entertaining kook. A clown, if you wish. (I hope he doesn’t mind me saying this, because I kinda like the guy.)
So all I say to you is this, dear Bon: if you can’t whip up some tolerance for Apollonian’s excesses, why not just ignore him?
(2) You and many other Apollonian-haters seem to want him ejected from this site largely because he treats you disrespectfully. You don’t like being dissed. So you want to shut him up. Fair enough. A human response.
But take me. Haven’t I been dissed on this thread repeatedly? I certainly have. Many things have been said about me that are not only totally false, they are also wounding to a high degree. I have borne these insults. I have not asked Kevin MacDonald to block my attackers’ posts. Being spat upon has become part of my life. I’m getting used to it!
The grievances you complain about are small and insignificant compared to the insults I’ve been forced to put up with here. I bear all these ad hominem attacks with equanamity. They are simply words. We are all cyber shadows here, dear Bon From the Land of Babble! Shadow-boxers on the wall of Plato’s cave.
It matters not in the slightest who insults whom. The whirligig goes round, the world turns, time passes. We are all swallowed up in darkness soon…
Let’s keep a perspective.
A letter from a well-wisher:
Hi Lasha,
Congratulations on such a well-written article.
As an immigrant to the US, I have the outsider’s perspective. I discovered early on, the uniquely American social contrivance we call PC (political correctness). To deny the obvious, to obfuscate, to transfer power and prestige from those that have it and give it to those at the bottom, and to glorify certain groups at the expense of others – these are some aspects of modern American “popular” cultural discourse.
What to others such as Malaysia’s Mahathir and folks in the UK/Russia etc, is obvious about the US, is anathema to even bring up and suggest here! The idea of Jewish power, or any intellectual inquiries into such power, is of course labelled anti-semitic.
Only in America, presumably your birth country, would a member of a majority community, which I think you are (both racially and religiously) have to cower and write under a pen-name.
[Yes, I cower, and have reason to do so. My job is on the line if I am suspected of "thought crime". Orwell turns in his grave. LD.]
As a regular TOO reader, I notice that quite a number of the writers there find it necessary to use pen names. What a shame! What stark testimony to the current state of affairs! I hope you have not missed the irony in this.
In any case, I am very impressed with your writings, and I think for someone so young, you are unbelievably well-informed and talented as a writer. Keep up the good work, and please, do continue to promote your cause through the pen. Don’t let people label you and dishearten you from the cause. The world needs an America that is strong and fairly run.
Best wishes,
V.
SerenusZeitblom @ April 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM
As for Lasha, her mind seems to work very much to the “right side” of the brain, and that is also where art and myth are at home. As with many other readers, her semi-legendary article about art really stuck deeply with me…I think the main problem with her “Goodbye America” piece is that it is not poetic enough. It is too much of a hybrid, and what she tried to mix into the pot has not ripened yet nor has it been properly digested. All this collage mix of Dees, The Great Beast, 19th century poetry, Nietzsche, Dostoyevskij, Lukacs, Freud, the Frankfurters, the Christian-Newsom-murdercase etc. is too much of a psychedelic mash-up agit-prop for me…”
I accept these rebukes with humility, coming as they do from a scholarly polymath such as Serenus.
However, it has to be said in my own defense that the collage-like mishmash effect that Serenus complains about in Part 2 of Goodbye, America! is largely due to the savage cuts that my Editor found it necessary to make and to which I gave my full consent.
If the connecting bits between Paragraph A and Paragraph B are removed from any piece of expository prose, the result on the reader can be disconcerting. He blinks his eyes nd asks himself: “How on earth did we get from point A to B?”
Serenus, you make a good point.
If all the connecting bits had been left in, these would have been the escalators which would have carried you smoothly from floor to floor. The effect would have been less jerky.
I’m not complaining about the cuts. They were absolutely necessary. I’m glad they were made. Even after the cuts, the essay was thought by many readers to be “inflammatory” and “and “over the top”. So what it would have been like if NO cuts had been made, I shudder to think!
“They are simply words. We are all cyber shadows here, dear Bon From the Land of Babble! Shadow-boxers on the wall of Plato’s cave.
It matters not in the slightest who insults whom. The whirligig goes round, the world turns, time passes. We are all swallowed up in darkness soon…
Let’s keep a perspective.”
Well said, so Amen to that.
To Lasha re your experiences with Xymphora:
I woke up this morning realizing how exhilarated I’ve felt to post here in freedom, knowing that my posts would NOT BE REMOVED…a very new experience for me.
So finally, I believe I’m in agreement with you.
Onward!
P.S. Serenus, I’ve been going back and reading your posts..I really appreciate them too.
Another email I have received, edited slightly for brevity. This communication should be of interest to misogynists and feminists.
Dr. Lasha:
My job is as a contract Electrical Engineer. Have worked upon many multi-million dollar project. Often times, the managers take orders from me, which is like what the Messiah does with respect to his Jew controllers.
I am generally cordial and friendly. This is why, even after making a project succeed, they fire me. I will never compromise my principles and always do my best to tell the truth.
The only woman who can deal with me is my mom. Most of the women in Engineering have no clue, are employed strictly by Affirmative Action, and play the politics to the extreme. Most women met by me during my recent life all aspire to be men. They dress like men, talk like men, act like men, and use all the liberal Affirmative Action nonsense that they can.
I decided early in my life that raising children in this polluted environment was inimical to God’s Will, and have turned down many women. Actually look forward to Father Ra and Mother Gaia destroying their vile Human brood. Humanity is a disease and should be exterminated. Human beings were given an ideal environment and polluted it beyond imagining. They are ugly, nasty, and atheistic. Soon will meet their fiery fate.
‘J’
PS – I am a contractor in a Cosmic sense too.
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Thank you, ‘J’, for these uplifting thouhts. Women can be quite appalling, I must admit. Don’t I know it!
Lasha D
Another email I feel the need to post here because it’s too good to be wasted on me alone. This is from an anti-feminist with whom I happen to be in complete agreement.
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Lasha,
Please write something on Feminism.
After Stalin defeated Jewish Bolshevism, it moved to the West and
re-emerged as the New Left. Its strategy has been to encourage Culture
War as a sort of Civil War. Feminism is part of it.
Empowering “minorities” is a way of dividing the Goys, and allowing the chief minority, the Jews, to form alliances with these other minorities. They don’t like being the only minority.
Feminism is part of the Communist strategy to take the rearing of
children out of the hands of parents.
They weaken the parent-child tie. Women are encourgaged, or forced by
circumstances, to place young children in day-care.
Then, when the kids reach puberty, they are encouraged to rebel
against authority. Hollywood stole my kids; I’ve lost all of them.
All of the New Left movements (Feminist, Gay, indigenous, Green etc)
have SOME merit. We cannot just turn the clock back. Whereas the West
has gone too far, India & Islamic countries need a bit of Feminism.
Two-income families put up the cost of housing. They are also more
materialistic – having more money, they develop tastes for bigger
houses, new cars, expensive travel etc. All very energy-intensive.
At the same time, when both partners have professional jobs, that
means that fewer such occupations are available for others; ie, it
increases class disparity.
One third of births now are by Cesarean. Women are increasingly afraid
of childbirth – and this is a direct result of Feminism’s deprecating
the female role.
The effect of Feminism has been very great in Divorce law. In the
1980s & 90s, Courts were awarding women the kids, the house, plus
Maintenance payments. The father was deprived of the opportunity of
rearing his kids, but expected to pay the bill.
This is not what happened in matrilineal societies. There, children
went to the mother in the event of divorce, but since paternity was
not, or barely, recognized, the father had no obligations if the woman
broke the tie. The mother’s brother took the role the father took in
patrilineal societies.
Feminism has had a great impact on immigration policy. Firstly,
because so many white women pursued Career rather than Children, the
birth-rate declined. Migrant women from third-world countries, not
being Feminist, filled the breach. They wanted to be wives and
mothers.
Second, many men who had been left by their white wife, and cleaned
out during the Divorce process, feared marrying another white woman.
Not on account of her race, but on account of her mind, ie the Victim
ideas she had adopted via Feminism. They sought women from the Third
World instead. And more recently, Russian women too.
Feminism has also contributed to the rise of East Asia (Japan, Korea
and China). These countries remain patrilineal. Perhaps, a little
Feminism would do them good. But their strong governments have kept
Jewish subversion out; this has contributed to their export surpluses
and to our debt.
Finally, Feminism has contributed to the spread of Islam among whites.
Seeing how the main Christian Churches were going along with the
abolition of traditional roles between men & women, some Christians
switched to Islam.
P —
[Apollonian commentary in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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SerenusZeitblom says:
April 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM
“My dearest Appirstein [THIS IS PROBABLY UR CLEVEREST ATTEMPT--MAKING ME, OF ALL PEOPLE, OUT TO BEING THE JEW--BUT UR PROBLEM IS U, URSELF, DO NOTHING BUT TO SPEAKING FOR JEWS IN ALL UR ENTRIES. JEWS (AT LEAST SOME) LIKE TO PRETEND ANTI-SEMITES ARE "ZIONIST" AGENTS, FOR EXAMPLE--AS IF ZIONISM IS ANTI-SEMITIC AND ANY ANTI-SEMITISM THEREFORE IS ZIONISM.]
“…… you have NO IDEA how freakin HILARIOUS your compulsive maniacal ranting is. [ACTUALLY, U'RE THE SCHIZOID PSYCHO JEW PRETENDING U'RE DEFENDING INTEGRITY OF THIS BLOG. NOTE ALSO HOW U (A) DEFEND JEWS, AND (B) AT SAME TIME TRY TO PRETEND I'M ONE MYSELF.]
“It is also somewhat scary. [GOOD--BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY TO BE EXPECTED, GIVEN UR JEWWY PREMISES AND INTENTIONS--DEFENDING JEWS.]
“Seriously, this is as cartoonish as it gets. [WHAT DOES "THIS" STAND FOR?--FREQUENT USE OF LOOSE-REFERENCE PRONOUNS IS SIGN OF SCHIZOID PSYCHOSIS, DON'T FORGET. AGAIN, NOTE HOW U TRY TO DEFEND JEWS AT SAME TIME AS SAYING I'M MYSELF ONE.]
“Push the robot’s button and off it goes like a humming-top or a machine gun: JEWJEWJEWJEWJEW. Is there anything else left in your brain or has too much kikeblaming left too scorched earth already? [SURELY U UNDERSTAND U'RE JUST BABBLING LIKE SCHIZOID PSYCHO U REALLY ARE--U HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING OF ANY SUBSTANCE.]
“You sound and react in fact like a walking cliché dreamed up by Abe Foxman. [I DOUBT IT--U JUST CONTINUE BABBLING LIKE SCHIZOID.]
“I could tell you, just to get a bit of a picture of the full hilariousness of this situation, that I am in fact a 100% All-Aryan German from Europe, writing not even in my mother tongue here, complete with blond hair, blue eyes and a definitely straight nose, but as you can never know for certain anyway, I can easily just keep you guessing as well. ["ZEITBLOM": SURELY U MIGHT UNDERSTAND, I GO BY WHAT I CONSIDER IS BEST EVIDENCE IN SCIENTIFIC, INDUCTIVE MANNER. I THEN POSE THE HYPOTHETIC CONCLUSION--WHICH IS U ARE SURELY A JEW--WHICH THEN U MUST DISPROVE, WHICH U DON'T. NOTE JEWS ARE LIARS BY RELIGION AND MENTALITY--THEY'RE BRED TO LIE. AND THUS IF U REALLY ARE JEW, U WOULDN'T HESITATE TO LIE, SAYING U'RE BLONDE-HAIRED, ETC. I STILL SAY U'RE JEW--OBSERVE HOW EVERYTHING U WRITE IS JEW-ORIENTED, MEANT IN DEFENSE OF JEW. AND UR BRAINLESS, IDIOTIC SCHIZOID-LIKE CHATTERING IS ANOTHER JEW-TRAIT.]
““Itz” more fun that way also. [WHAT'S MORE FUN?--AND WHAT DO U MEAN BY PRONOUN, "THAT," AS IN "THAT WAY"?--SEE, UR USE OF LOOSE-REFERENCE PRONOUNS IS TYPICAL OF SCHIZOID MENTALITY--U'RE PLAINLY PSYCHOTIC, AS ANYONE CAN SEE. U'RE JUST BARELY COHERENT.]
“If it helps you to deal better and less hysterically with dissent, [IT'S U WHO CANNOT DEAL W. MY COMMENTARY, DUMB JEW--U WERE ONE WHO STARTED MAKING STATEMENTS AGAINST ME, DON'T FORGET, U PSYCHOTIC SCHIZOID JEW. I'M MERELY REPLYING TO UR ENTRIES, PT-ING OUT UR EVIDENT PSYCHOTIC ACTIVITY, SO JEW-ORIENTED.]
“…please feel free to continue imagining me as some diabolic hooknose (but you dont need me to tell you that, do you?) [OBSERVE HOW U BABBLE AND BABBLE, NEVER SAYING ANYTHING OF ANY SUBSTANCE. U'RE UN-QUESTIONABLY SCHIZOID PSYCHO, COMRADE. U'RE THE ONE WHO IS FUNNY, I SAY.]
“Now, before you break into another of your tiresome Tourette-Syndrome-fits [SCHIZOID JEW, I ALWAYS SPEAK ABOUT SPECIFIC TOPICS, UPON SPECIFIC THESES AND THEMES--I NEVER HAVEN'T--AND IF I HAVE I CHALLENGE U TO CITE A SINGLE INSTANCE.]
“…spouting your favourite word ever three times a sentence, please just kill yourself or at least confine yourself to some nice quiet place in the green, or PLEASE admins just block this guy finally, will you??? [THE SCHIZOID PSYCHOTIC JEW FINALLY BREAKS DOWN HYSTERICALLY TO HIS REAL OBJECT--INTIMIDATING THE BLOG EDITOR IN CONCERT W. ABOUT 4 OTHER "USEFUL IDIOTS" OR FELLOW JEWS TO AGITATE FOR CENSORSHIP AGAINST REDOUBTABLE CHRISTIAN SOLDIER.]
“And, YES, Harumphty D., in this case [SPEAKING OF URSELF, NO DOUBT]
“…nuttiness IS the problem… [WELL-SAID BY THE SCHIZOID.]
In reply to P:
Against Feminism
To P —
Thank you. Even though, as woman, it is most disloyal of me to say this, I have to admit with a heavy heart that women are not as bright as men. Their brains are smaller, and the number of eurons they contain are reportedly not as many as the number of neurons found in the average male brain. It is for this reason that women, as a sex, have been so easily duped into the idiocy known as “feminism”.
Has our lot improved in any way since the suffragettes aried on the scene, clamoring for the vote? No, it has not! We’re now infinitely worse off.
Once we had the leisure to loaf around at home, reading novels and making chutney and reading fairy tales to our appple-cheeked children. Now we travel to work in the subway, packed together like sardines, and have our bottoms pinched black and blue. Sometimes we’re groped. It’s not amusing.
And all for what? Endless hassle at work. Bosses who won’t even look at us in case we have them up for sexual harassment! What bitches we ‘ve made ourselves — the scorn and well-deserved disgust of men!
Divorce proceedings follow our marriages as regular as clockwork. If Cosmopolitan Magazine doesn’t drive us crazy, cancer of the cervix gets us in the end. Tears, tears, tears!
Let me give this advice to any man in seach of a good wife: if she even utters the word “feminist”, don’t touch her with a barge pole.
Get to your feet and run.
P.S. I’d like to write an essay on feminism, but who would publish it?
24 appearances of the word “Jew” in one post.
“People like Apollonian were ignored on the xymphora website. Denied attention, they soon went away.
“To do justice to Apollonian, he is not one of these boring posters. He is fascinating. An entertaining kook. A clown, if you wish. (I hope he doesn’t mind me saying this, because I kinda like the guy.)
“So all I say to you is this, dear Bon: if you can’t whip up some tolerance for Apollonian’s excesses, why not just ignore him?
“(2) You and many other Apollonian-haters seem to want him ejected from this site largely because he treats you disrespectfully. You don’t like being dissed. So you want to shut him up. Fair enough. A human response. -Xanadu says: May 1, 2010 at 1:31 AM
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Blog-Art, Dialectic, Art And Effort For Liberating Jew-Expulsion
(Apollonian, 1 May 10)
“Lasha”: First, I’d like to note what BRILLIANT, most excellent and revealing dialectic we’ve achieved in this blog here–we REALLY learn quite a lot, I submit. Now let me get to some of the pt.s u make in above quote of urs.
I was never, ever, and have never, ever been “ignored” anywhere I ever posted–look at this blog here–u have no less than 4 or 5 Jews and/or “useful idiots” DESPERATELY, intensively agitating and trying to get me censored–this is serious issue as u so bemusedly comment, reply to, and pontificate upon.
Pt. is, dear “Lasha,” u and we thus see EXACTLY how Jews and their “useful idiots” operate, as by means of their “swarming” tactics, as we see in real-time.
And note how the blog-art generally has NOT been useful for Jews–on contrary, blog-art analytic and dialectic has been ABSOLUTELY devastating for Jews, as I noted earlier, resulting in horrible and continuing LOSS in circulation for the large, establishment “Jews-media,” and additionally in expedited effort to remove the free internet–Jews are not finished trying, not by a long-shot.
Unlike u, dear “Lasha,” I’m not lost within ABSTRACTIONS dis-connected to full CONCRETE reality–but perhaps ironic thing is I typically orient my essays in most extreme abstractions, beginning w. Aristotelian objectivity, thence absolute DETERMINISM, thus denial of perfectly “free” human will.
As result, most people as blog participants have some difficulty for quick responses, they being more CONCRETE -oriented for their immediate interests. So they rather tend, I believe, to passing over my commentary, keeping to more concrete-oriented topics and responses.
And “Lasha,” u really do betray much naivete’, if u will, when u ask so blithely, as above, “…dear Bon: if you can’t whip up some tolerance for Apollonian’s excesses, why not just ignore him?”
For surely dear “Lasha,” if u have half a brain, u’ll see it is this “Bon…” creep’s most passionate, intensive desire to lobbying and intimidating u and blog admin for CENSORSHIP, pure and simple–this is its OBJECT, its most essential purpose, CENSORSHIP, fascism, dictatorship, and again, CENSORSHIP, can’t u see? Typical female, u overlook the vile enemy’s intentions far too easily.
And it’s CONSISTENT, intensive, MOST PURPOSEFUL effort of censorship and bullying agitation thereto on their part–NOTHING ELSE. Note then, when I talk back to these scum (and I mean pure scum in every sense of the word), I’m only REACTING rationally and extremely justly to THEIR FASCIST ATTEMPTS OF CENSORSHIP, quite literally.
And u see dear “Lasha,” this is why we real soldiers have sooooooo little confidence in u female -types–as u so utterly fail to see the intensive, deliberate, vicious, fascist CONSPIRACY (literally) on part of these scummy Jews and their “useful idiots” among gentile accomplices for CENSORSHIP of dissidence.
Thus “Lasha,” it’s (meaning ur lack of serious perception of these agitators’s “swarming” attempt to intimidate u and admin) precisely why and how ur art is, for all its typical female-styled delicacy, STILL so SUPERFICIAL, hollow, empty, weak, tame, watery, insipid, and tepid. Still Jews hate ANY dissidence whatsoever, even such tame sort as ur own–they don’t want it to develop to MY SORT–which they truly fear.
“Lasha”: Jews are Talmudists by definition–ck any authority Jew or Christian–this is the fact. Hence it is absolutely, even urgently incumbent upon u to ck-up and see EXACTLY what Talmud is really all about–I’ve given u citations.
And I don’t exaggerate in the slightest: Talmud is about MURDER AND PSYCHOPATHOLOGY, nothing else and nothing less. Talmudism is WORSHIP of LIES, LYING, AND LIARS–all in effort of WARFARE against not only all humanity, but also reason, truth, reality, justice, and God himself.
Talmudists, again, are gross, horrific psychopaths who seek to make themselves God, nothing less. Talmudism is worship of HUBRIS in the classical Greek sense, Talmudism the institution of insanity and satanism itself.
And u’re a complete failure, dear “Lasha,” until and unless u face this simple, easily verified, fact of reality regarding Jews and Talmud–u’re failure not only in art and scholarship, but then also as basic human and citizen, not to mention Christian, properly understood–anti-semite (anti-Talmud as Gosp.s MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9).
CONCLUSION: So u see why I’m not at all “ignored”–Jews desperately wish it were so, but they know better, and that’s why they strive soooooooo hard to see I’m censored. Rather people prefer to think about what I write and say before venturing any sort of response–as u do in ur own case. Finally, again, do u see what I mean about blog-art and DIALECTIC?–it’s a smashing new development for human knowledge–devastating for Jews and accomplices. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Kevin’s quality standards are lower than VNN’s are.
Even VNN told “Apollonian” to take a hike.
After reading just a few posts here, I can see that the same forces are at work as are everwhere. These jews are anti-Christian. As Matt the Mattoid so truthfully stated, VNNF did boot Appy. He was booted for the very same reason I and many others have been booted. He is a Christian but not jewdayochristian.
VNN creatards and odindorks prefer to lump all Christians together in the same pot, much like their handlers at the ADL do with patriots. Appy’s style takes a little getting used to but he has never wavered in his focus on the talmudic nature of the fake jews who claim to be semites.
I’ll throw in another perspective here.
I have mentioned before that I am German, thus reading this stuff here from a more outsider-ish p.o.v.
I used to have a quite negative image of the USA, this was next to the Sowjetunion the other force that had destroyed, occupied and re-educated Germany. Please note that I have a quite (though not overall) negative view on Hitler and National Socialism as well.
USA, that meant for me the destruction and the subversion of our soul. I did not always have this feeling. At the same time, like everyone else here, I grew up with US pop culture and the notion that Americans were our “liberators”. In personal contact I found Americans to be generally sympathethic people.
My rather negative views on the US were largely influenced by a polemic book by one of my favourite German writers, a man none of you could possibly have heard of, but who sold his books by millions in the 1950s to 1970s, love by the audience, hated by high brow critics and liberals. In one of his later books, “Hallelujah”, published in 1979, he saw the world threatened by two major forces: the “new religion” of Communism, and “Americanism”, that is liberalism and capitalism. If the former would win, mankind would have to suffer about “150 years of great hardship”, but at least it would survive. The Gulag was the lesser evil in a centennarian perspective. If “Americanism” would win however, “mankind will be exterminated within 150 years and the Earth will circle in space as some devastated Mars.”
As Lasha cites Browning to invoke a more innocent or at least more ordered age, the author cites poetry from the German romantics. Here are some passages from the closing chapter, my translation:
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“What has remained within our hands? What can we answer to our fathers, if they ask what we have done with the heritage of the 19th century, our Periclean age? What do we hold in our hands?
We have squandered everything a good God, however his name may be, has given us. Today we do not even find the peace of the poorest of creatures. Everything is broken within our hearts. They beat very fast, but they are empty. … Everything is broken that let us sense eternity, everything that could stop the rushing of the hours and that made us feel not being lost within the transcience of things. Our lives have become a single great fear and grievance, as if some ever-prolonged change. How much longer still? Our lives are poisoned, our breath is poisoned, Death is in the air, Death is in the water, the Earth is contaminated. (…) Are all our doors closed? Are there grills at our windows? Is the alarm set up? The gangs are on their way, the killers. They kill for a dime. They kill for a breakfast, they kill because they are bored or overfed or because their testicles are itching. Some kill, because they take pleasure in seeing us fall. We have to learn to live with the American way of life. A 100,000 murders occur each year in the US. Five million Americans are victim of crime each year. This is the pulse of the cities of modern life.”
He goes on about increasing crime, drug abuse, pollution of environment, destruction of morals, the turning of all and everything into a good to be sold, and now follow the references to classic German poetry:
“You think I write with hate? It is true, I write history with the heart of Ezekiel. It is true. I choke on the present times. What are we to do? I say “we”, but are you, my friend, with me? When was the last time you folded your hands because of delight and devotion? As a child under the Christmas tree? And then? How often did you ever since envision in your mind the lime tree at the fountain under the gate? Or thought you could hear the rushing of the wings of the Five Wild Swans or the creaking of the mill wheel on the cool ground? And this: “May God spare us punishments and let us sleep peacefully and our sick neighbour as well.” (Matthias Claudius).
Does this still reach your heart? Have you died a hundred times in your life at the miracles of beauty, in front of the blossoming poppies, at the sound of the blackbird, at Grunewald’s altar, at the St. Matthew Passion, at the dancing of Pawlowa, at the Erechtheion, at the sun dawn? If you have, my friend, you are as lost and as betrayed as I am. And in hours of reflection as desperate as I am. But do not tell anyone. You will be laughed at. Because you must know that we have left our fathers and everything they loved behind us, and that today’s world is close to erect paradise. But consider the words of Novalis: “Still anyone who pretended to erect Paradise on Earth, has created Hell.”
Next he quotes Henry de Montherlant:
“A single nation that succeeds in letting the morals, the quality of Man on the entire surface of the world plunge into the abyss, has never been since the planet exists. I accuse the United States of America of being in a constant state of crime against humanity.” In 1945 we were wax in their hands, today we have become their shadow. Civilisation, they say, cannot be turned reversed…. What shall we do? Too late! The world is hypnotised, the lemmings run towards their end, nothing can stop them.
What is there left to save? What is? Our fatherland? What is that? The Earth? The acres? The cities? The factories? The banks? The nuclear power plants? The supermarkets? Where is the fatherland of the Germans? What has happened to it? It was once there, where is it? What was it?
O my friends, I believe, it was our soul. That is what they destroyed.
Lucky are those that are still allowed to have a soul. We don’t; because America doesn’t have one. We are supposed to laugh, when somebody speaks about the soul.
The new generation already lives without, that same generation that keeps their hands contemptously in their pockets, if they hear our steps from far alone. They took Grünewald and Caspar David Friedrich under their arms, as if they were some mandible bones of the Cro-Magnon-Man, carried them off to the mausoleum and say: look, up there it is, your fucking soul. They put a garbage bin on wheels and call it ‘Ode to Apollo’, with a pistol they spray paint on a screen and put it up in museums, they nail a piece of wood on the wall and call it ‘auto-portrait’. Do you remember how people crowded in front of that at the Biennale? Don’t forget: that is the once unbelievable fairy tale of the Emperor’s new clothes! It has become true; the truth of brains that are incurably sick. They do not know anything anymore, no desire, no love. ‘Do you have flowers, Mr. Armstrong?’ ‘Of course. Made of plastic. Much more practical.’ They dont even know WEHMUT (German word that cannot really be translated, roughly melancholy), that precious sentiment composed of joy, grief, resignation and a memory that can never lost.”
And the book ends such:
“Out of love for that which we hunger for, that which has been destroyed, I say: Hate! Because love has grown powerless.
Over there, across the Ocean, stands the guilty one.”
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Today I do not have such an entirely negative look at American history anymore, but still I hold it true, that liberalism, materialism and capitalism as known and dominating today mostly originated here, and certainly not only due to Jewish influence. Calvinism and protestantism, identified by Max Weber as the roots of capitalism had their large share as well… still, the typical American to us Old Europeans is like a hybrid of a preacher and a salesman, slamming any door world-wide that doesnt wish to open to globalism, “democracy”, and plutocracy. The American Way of Life is an American Way of Death, so I see it as a defeated and colonized European, and I wonder which America it is you say Goodbye to…
apollonian @ May 1, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Apollonian,
I have read every word you said in the above post, and I have to confess I understand only a very small percentage of the “wisdom” flowing from your pen. We’ve met before many moons ago on the now defunct zionistwatch. Remember Lalara the Lovely? Lalara the Sad and Sorrowful? Possibly not.
If you’re mad, Apollonian, I’ll give you this: there’s a method in your madness.
My correspondent above (‘M’) wants to update his account of the racial atttack on two White girls in Chicago. He writes:
“The attackers were latino. One male and one female. NOT BLACK The male attacker has an extensive criminal record. One girl has been released from hospital, but the other is in an induced coma and may never walk or speak again.
The story is being covered fairly well, but thee is no mention of a racial motive.
Also, another White man has been attacked with a bat and now has his jaw wired shut.”
Looks like America is a real dangerous place if you happen to be white.
“P.S. I’d like to write an essay on feminism, but who would publish it?”
I would at my Blog.
ON FEMINISM
Reginald @ May 1, 2010 at 8:55 PM
“P.S. I’d like to write an essay on feminism, but who would publish it?”
(Lasha Darkmoon)
I would at my Blog.
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Thanks, Reginald, I always knew you were misogynist! :)
To be serious though, this a subject of overwhelming importance and it would be of interest if it could be discussed in cool and rational terms on the Occidental Observer. Possibly by Elizabeth Whitcombe or Trudie Pert. These ladies know their onions and I’m sure they could tackle this subject objectively — in a way that I myself would find it much harder to do.
I wouldn’t mind contributing a piece to Kevin MacDonald after Whitcombe and Pert had already laid the groundwork. My own attitude to feminism, you see, is negative in the extreme, and I’m not sure that KMD would take kindly to an essay tearing these misguided harpies to pieces.
Throughout history, woman has played a subordinate role to man. Undoubtedly, women have at times been treated badly and in an exploitative manner. But it is in a man’s own interest to treat women decently and accord them the respect they deserve — provided they behave as women ought to behave.
Unfortunately, the average feminist does not know how to behave properly.
Her behavior is more or less guaranteed to creat misogyny. She appears to be incapable of behaving in any but a confrontational manner. Her demands are endless ad excessive. It seems nothing will satisfy her until she finds herself in a superior position to man, cracking her whip over him and with the heel of her jackboot firmly embedded in his neck.
Never before have their been so many woman-haters in the world as there are now. This is not because their is something wrong with men nowadays. It’s because there is something wrong with women nowadays. They engender hatred in men by their repellent behavior and their inability to behave in a modest and admirable manner.
It’s hard to love a pack of belligerent whores.
The current situation is indeed regrettable. On the one hand, we have increasing misogyny — largely caused, as I say, by women’s whorish and masculinized misbehavior. And on the other hand, we have growing misandry among women, a hatred and contempt of the male sex encouraged and carefully fostered by the Jew-owned media.
You have written much about pornography and I am glad to see you have recognized its dangers. In the battle of the sexes, pornography is used by the militant lesbian feminist a a weapon against the male sex. Many of these feminists, by amazing coincidence, happen to be Jewish.
At the drop of a hat, they will strip off their clothes and flash their tits and exhibit their vaginas to the world.
Witness Annie Sprinkle, Jewish American feminist and porn star performance artist. And Annie received big money from the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), the better to allow her to open her legs on a public stage and allow the brutalized masses to peer up her vagina with the help of a torchlight and speculum.
This, dear Reginald, is feminism and organized Jewry acting in cahoots to bring about the general demoralization of Western society, in accordance with the openly stated aims of the Frankfurt School. It is an attack on Christianity. On traditional moral values. On honor and decency.
I’ll end this little diatribe by quoting Nietzsche’s Zarathustra:
“Thou goest to Woman? Remember thy whip!”
“Lasha” Must Do Necessary “Homework” Or Cease From Preaching
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
“Lasha”: I think I do indeed remember (though vaguely) “the sorrowful” sobriquet, though I can’t remember anything for what u might have discussed.
I wonder what happened to dear old Pat Grimm?–I really was tough on the old boy (but he needed it)–he also pretended to himself there were “good Jews,” and he’d always (or often) try sucking up to them–and they’d just spit in his face, as usual for Jews.
People, esp. the weak and useless sort, would compliment old Patrick for his slick writing, but he, like u, dear “Lasha,” utterly failed for the soldierly task of GENERALIZING–u gotta deal w. them alllllllll.
Let the lord choose the “good” ones (of whom, I’m confident, there are none). U can’t fight a war by being picky and choosey–that’s EXACTLY what Jew enemy wants u to do. That’s why u “sensitive” females are soooooo useless for war.
CONCLUSION: And war is indubitably what we’re engaged in, never doubt–that’s why “Lasha,” u gotta get hip–and if u cannot figure it out, u must simply stay out of the way, and strive to remaining silent for ur infernal blandishments and platitudes as u give-out with in above posts. There’s NO EXCUSE for u, pretending to a Ph.d, not researching Talmud as I’ve prescribed for u. The mighty Ap has spoken. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Lasha, Nietzsche’s exact phrasing was: “Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiß die Peitsche nicht!”, which is more precisely translated as “Thou goest to Women? Do not forget the (not: thy) whip.” Some people interpretate this rather as an admonition, to never forget the whip SHE has got in store waiting for you… ;) Also, this line is spoke by an old little women, after Zarathustra demands a “little truth” from her… Personally I think all good and bright, and well more “female” women are (paradoxically, but only on the surface) “misogynistic” to some extent. I do not think that women are generally less intelligent than men, the difference is rather that men’s brains are more complicated, thus their achievements generally greater. In many respects women are the “stronger” because “simpler” sex.
What I regret is that far too many women squander their lives in academia, making it less likely to have children. In respect to the more intelligent women this is especially a pity as the dumber women bear more children, which increases demographic idiocracy… the less talented among female students just help lower the standards and the atmosphere of academias, while generally making themselves very unhappy inside.
Thanks for these profound thoughts, Apo (@9.01 AM), but I can’t accept your thesis that all Jew are irredeemably bad. This flies in the face of my own experience. Having actually gotten on friendly terms with one or two Jews in my time, I can assure you that they are not without their charms! :)
However, if Jews find themselves constantly under attack, they get defensive and feel everyone’s against them. Elite organized Jewry are the main promoters of anti-Semitism. Israeli atrocities in Lebanon and Gaza, together with the Madoff scandal, gave a big boost to anti-Semitism worldwide.
Did organized Jewry mind? Not in the least. It was to their advantage that Jews should become objects of universal detestation. It’s what they want. The ADL and the $LPC are past masters in whipping up anti-Semitism to serve their own devious purposes — yes, all under the guise of actually fighting anti-Semitism.
Ordinary Jews, finding themselves reviled when they have done nothing themselves to excite revulsion, naturaly close ranks and spring to defense of Jewry in general and Israel in particular. They don’t know how subtly they are being manipulated.
It’s a complex problem, Apo, and it’s not going to be solved by advocating new Auschwitzes for the Jews. Softly, softly, gently, gently. That’s how we need to go.
Your sweeping generalization that all Jews are beyond redemption is most unhelpful.
Xanadu
(Lasha)
SerenusZeitblom @ May 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM
Thanks for these wise words, Serenus. Actually, I’m a bit surprised that you should regard some women as misogynistic. This had never occurred to me!
This is equivalent to accusing some men of being sympathetic to misandry. Are there any men who actually hate the male sex? Wow, that’s new to me! :)
Your exegesis of the Nietzsche quotation is very useful…but honestly, Serenus, I don’t think Nietzsche meant the admonition to be taken in that sense. “Remember the whip!” was surely a tip the little old woman was giving the man about to visit a woman.
“Remember THY whip!” was the English translation I read, I think, in the superb Everyman translation which faithfully reproduces Neitzsche’s deliberate use of an antiquated German possibly derived from Luther’s translation of the Bible.
Spamalot/apollonian links to his site where you can read ‘ We need to flood the web with our message’. What is this message: Jews are a swarm of bugs and we should kill them dead by gassing them.
That kind of thing has been repeated in his ‘comments’. There is a danger that one day among his blizzard of comments something even more discreditable to TOO, perhaps seriously illegal, will go unnoticed because the TypO style prevents close reading.
If he is allowed to continue there will be imitators of the flooding technique with similar agendas
Apollonian Treatment Of Jew Enemy Of Mankind Is Eminently Reasonable
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
“Someday”: u’re a liar–I clicked ur link, and it doesn’t at all say what u falsely assert.
I’m Christian and I’ve always advocated Christian treatment of Jew, Talmudic (see RevisionistHistory.org and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo/ref.) murderers and enemies of mankind: (a) arrest, (b) confiscation, (c) internment, (d) separation by sex, (e) Jews then to be closely watched as they die out in peace.
CONCLUSION: Those Jews of race who sincerely repudiate Talmudic insanity and hostility to mankind can be allowed limited freedom with, however, no right to vote or hold office, no right to owning significant property, and no right to marrying and pro-creation. These are reasonable conditions, and I have every right to so advocating. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Clarity For White Liberation Is Itself Helpful And “Liberating”
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
One properly notes “someday’s” notation of “agenda”–which deserves due illumination/exposition.
“Someday” is agent of Jews, I submit, working to preserve Jews. Thus Jews are invited to pretend they’re “white”–no less than mestizos and mulattos, evidently, with similar brainless logic, utterly under-mining, subverting, DESTROYING, and dis-crediting “white” movement–as presently by BNP in Britain/UK, BNP CONTROLLED AND FUNDED BY JEWS, as is well-known and admitted, Nick Griffin himself pushing Jew holohoax lies, no less.
Thus note (a) “white” BNP punks are now enlisted to enforcing Jew oppression and identity upon (real) white folk, (b) ISOLATING whites rather than Jews, (c) this all doing the work of Jews who are allowed to most brilliantly “playing both sides,” for destruction of whites.
CONCLUSION: I rather work to preserve “white” race, REAL whites properly understood as NOT JEW, whites working within larger “movement” of Christian patriots in spirit of REASON AND OBJECTIVITY–against Jew hystericism, psychopathology, and SUBJECTIVISM. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
@Xanadu/ Lasha
“This is equivalent to accusing some men of being sympathetic to misandry. ”
Hehe, no it isn’t, because there is neither equality nor symmetry between men and women (only polarity which is different)… thus (at least slightly) misogynic women are usually wonderful and sane people to be with, while misandric men are nothing but self-hating wussbags.
I don’t think either that Nietzsche really meant to beware of woman’s whip, but I like to think so, as it is an amusing alternative and makes perfect sense… or maybe he was indeed thinking of this scene, when he was jesting with Lou Salomé:
http://tinyurl.com/379c4vu
Someday says:
May 2, 2010 at 11:23 AM
“Spamalot/apollonian links to his site where you can read ‘ We need to flood the web with our message’. What is this message: Jews are a swarm of bugs and we should kill them dead by gassing them.”
That does seems to be the pictorial message (a swarm of locusts, then an exterminator spraying, and then a dead locust on its back) at the page you link,
http://gentilealliance.org/?p=3178#comments
But I don’t see anywhere any words that recommend gassing.
On his page, “WHAT TO DO WITH THE JEWS?”,
http://gentilealliance.org/?page_id=2308
Apo opens with,
“I am in favor of feeding the entire lot of them feet first into wood chippers and then the jew chips straight into a blast furnace for immediate incineration, here are some other suggestions:”
(and that introduces an article from http://www.judenfrei.org that compares different solutions to the JQ).
For me, the pictures and that introductory statement of Apo are in the style of slightly humorous hyperbole (though I wouldn’t have taken them that way if I hadn’t seen Apo’s style on this thread)….but it’s a style that serves to take the edge off the fact that they are apparently Apo’s real views.
Since a sense of humor about such things is noticeably lacking today, I guess the point in your second paragraph is well taken, Someday, if blog owners are in fact legally responsible for anything illegal said on their site.
As for postings that can just lend discredit to a site, if sites would stop censoring posts and allow a free-for-all (though I don’t have enough posting experience to be certain that’s a good idea), maybe people would come accustomed to the idea that opinions expressed in posts throw no discredit on the person whose site it is.
“Harumphty”: now u’re lying–I never made statement about “wood chipper,” etc.–that was someone else’s opinion, NOT mine. My stand has always been as I note in previous, just-above, note at May 2, 2010 at 12:36 PM. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Well, Apo has just said that extermination is not his true view.
So I guess the hyperbole he indulges in here-and-there on his site should be taken to be just that, though it won’t be by most readers.
His (presumably) hyperbolic statement I quoted above did introduce a http://www.judenfrei.org article that had as its preferred solution,
“Our Pick: Expulsion and mandatory, permanent universal education about Jews.”
And on the page Someday linked, with the pictures of swarming locusts, an exterminator, and a dead locust on its back, the second of Apo’s headings in his screed there is
“Blog-Art, Dialectic, Art And Effort For Liberating Jew-EXPULSION” (My caps),
in which Apo writes that he believes blog-art is successfully combating Jewish power.
apollonian says:
May 2, 2010 at 1:55 PM
“I never made statement about “wood chipper,” etc.–that was someone else’s opinion,”
If that’s so, then you didn’t adequately indicate that….the statement is an italicized introduction to the http://www.judenfrei.org article and appears absolutely to be written by the blogmeister (you). Here’s the introductory remark again:
““I am in favor of feeding the entire lot of them feet first into wood chippers and then the jew chips straight into a blast furnace for immediate incineration, here are some other suggestions:”
http://gentilealliance.org/?page_id=2308
I see now that the remark is a very edited version of the first comment to the article, but you don’t indicate that, and your final clause in the remark, “here are some other suggestions” makes the entire remark seem even more to be yours.
But I accept as true your statement above of your true view.
You stand convicted of sloppiness, as far as that particular intro of yours goes.
“You stand convicted of sloppiness, as far as that particular intro of yours goes.”
With your customary inattention to the reader, I should have added.
“Harumphty” Continues To Have Difficulties
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
“Harumphty”: u just continue w. incompetence and false statements.
I actually DO recommend a PEACEFUL, CHRISTIAN-style treatment of Jews which yet nonetheless might very well indeed fall within ur use of term, “extermination.”
And note it’s all (my recommended treatment) perfectly in-line w. reasonable SELF-DEFENSE, given all the facts and exposition adduced by me.
We’re really just doctors and physicians trying to deal w. a psychopathic parasite disease-of-opportunity, Jews–whom, note, I DO NOT say are “evil”–anymore than typhus, leprosy, or small-pox are “evil.” Thus we struggle within present CYCLIC “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler, Jews taking advantage of over-populated gentiles suffering HUBRIS of Kantian, rationalist-style Pelagianism (“good-evil” fallacy/delusion/heresy).
CONCLUSION: This whole subject sure is mysterious and complicated for one like u, eh? I’m not blaming u, but gosh, u might be more careful and reasonable, for someone like me, loyal, pious Christian soldier, who has gone to such pains for fullest exposition, etc. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“Harumphty”: again, U’RE THE “SLOPPY” ONE who can’t even read, but rather works to falsely attribute to me a responsibility which I’ve actually well treated. I’m not “blog-meister,” but mere asst. editor of said blog. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
All this whining about “censorship” is a pathethic joke of course. This notion just serves the paranoid mindset. Spam some blog or forum with outrageous, nasty, psychopathic, openly offensive stuff until you get banned, and then take that as a clear proof that you must be right and your “truth” is being “suppressed” or “censored”. Classical circle-style deductive thinking. With that mental system installed, you can never go wrong. There is no way to argue with these people. They should be left alone.
I’d rather call it “hygiene” than “censorship”, and that term is especially appropriate if vermin such as Appirstein is concerned. This is some of the most loathsome and ultimately creepiest stuff I have seen in a while. “Creepy” because what is going here is a classical case of psychological projection. I mean here we have a guy whose major obsession is to indulge in wet extermination phantasies of inhuman entities whom he believes carry “hystericism, psychopathology, and subjectivism” (!) as some genetic disease. I have had experience before with psychotic or Borderline people and this kind of stuff is absolutely typical. So are the megalomaniac attitudes, the manichaeism, the religious fanaticism, the obsessive, sick dehumanisation of the targets of one’s hate. This guy is so much caught in his psychotic mindset, I do not see a slightest trace of humor. Hell, he doesnt even get it when his leg is being pulled. Taken this diagnosis I dont know how much this guy can be hold responsible for his words, and since he is just an internet shadow I dont know how dangerous he could be. Thats anyway also the kind of psychopath that the internet is breeding.
I know all this has a fascination as a car crash scenery, but I really think we have exposed this enough.
Schizoid Is Queried Regarding Humanity Of Talmud
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
Gosh “Zeitblom”: rather than wasting time un-tangling all ur schizoid babbling, let me just ask u–do u approve Jew Talmud?–is Talmud acceptable as guide for human behavior? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Apollonian, I’m not trying to convict you of any views about solution of the JQ…my own views flit between your own and a more extreme view of how such severe problems are actually (I believe) solved historically. And the word “evil” doesn’t mean much to me in any context.
I was just trying to elucidate your position on that website, as I believe my comments and your responses have helped to do.
““Harumphty”: again, U’RE THE “SLOPPY” ONE who can’t even read…”
Possibly. Readers can judge for themselves:
http://gentilealliance.org/?page_id=2308
(Assuming that page was put together by the “mere asst. editor” ?)
Blog Dialectic–Can Be Truly Revealing, Truly
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
Right “Harumphty”–readers can judge for themselves, indubitably. And they then can judge as to what u’re trying to do w. all these idiot entries u’ve just made here over last few minutes–just babbling and chattering away.
CONCLUSION: Yes, readers can judge for themselves. This entire blog on “Dr. Lasha…” is absolutely brilliant dialectic, I say. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
(Damn, I should not answer to this, but here we go…)
Apo, due to your state of mind you will never understand, that your Talmud-obsession is a mono-causal fixed idea that has no contact with reality whatsoever. Your sources as you offer them are pretty shady, likely composed by people who have a similar fixation as you. Now, I have read Israel Shahak too, and I am aware that loathsome and weird passages exist in the Talmud. However, as any scholar will tell you, the whole Talmud is a mix of very different writings by very different authors, and the nasty passages are not even the majority. You cannot isolate them from their context. And very few people, including most of secular Jews have any idea they exist.
Now, without question Talmudic thinking has had a great influence on Jewish thinking, but you seem to believe that any Jew out there sleeps with the nasty book under his pillow from childhood on and lives by it day and night. This is clearly not the case, and even to assume so is utter absurdity.
To SerenusZeitblom May 2, 2010 at 2:24 PM:
Even if his nuttiness and habit of insulting other posters can’t be separated in his personality, I think they should be distinguished in discussing his effect on the forum. I’ve only read this single thread on this forum, so maybe his nuttiness (without the insults) causes more problems than I realize, but I’m much more open to the suggestion of someone being banned for being insulting than I am to their being banned for filling up a thread with nuttiness.
And characterizing ANY views (as opposed to behavior, such as spamming) as “loathsome” and “creepy” really gets my guard up, after a couple of years of having even my milder views on race treated as exactly that in the MSM.
“And very few people, including most of secular Jews have any idea they exist.
“Now, without question Talmudic thinking has had a great influence on Jewish thinking, but you seem to believe that any Jew out there sleeps with the nasty book under his pillow from childhood on and lives by it day and night. This is clearly not the case, and even to assume so is utter absurdity.” -SerenusZeitblom says: May 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM
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“Zeitblom” Merely Lies For His Jew Buddies With Pathetic “Special Pleading”
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
“Zeitblom”: surely u realize u MUST answer to blog dialectic, otherwise u’re just babbling within ur own schizoid mind (which is actually what u’re mostly doing, I’m sure, anyway).
And now, my next questions have to do w. ur above-quotes about “very few Jews having . . . idea they exist.” So just exactly HOW DO U KNOW THIS (about Jews “knowing” about Talmud, etc.), “Zeitblom,” the presumptuous schizoid? Does it occur to u this quote of urs is mere special pleading in favor of Jews, meant to excuse Jew psychopathology?
CONCLUSION: Ur last paragraph is clearly false, “Zeitblom,” the Jew-friendly schizoid: Jews, many of them literally WORSHIP the Talmud–and many, if not most, of readers/fans of this blog know it. “Zeitblom,” u’re just a gross, schizoid, psychotic liar, with no respect for readers of this blog, sticking up for ur Jewwy friends. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
To SerenusZeitblom May 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM:
David Duke often mentions those passages in the Talmud, sometimes in connection to the Chabad Lubavitch sect, to which he attributes considerable political influence and also knowledge of the Talmud.
I’m interested, if you care to comment on that.
I’ve known lots of secular Jews, and I’m virtually certain none of them had any knowledge of the Talmud.
Don’t know about religious Jews. But even among those, I find it easy to believe that most could ignore passages with the same ease almost all Christians ignore passages in the Bible.
Finally, I’ve known lots of nuts (I live in Berkeley, Ca.), and lots of sane people, and every single one of them has had views that were partly sane and partly nuts.
For the nuttiest views of all about Jews, just look to the average sane white American.
Finally, I’ve known lots of nuts (I live in Berkeley, Ca.), and lots of sane people, and every single one of them has had views that were partly sane and partly nuts.
For the nuttiest views of all about Jews, just look to the average sane white American.
I’m sorry..I don’t know how that happened.
@Harughty
Sorry, I have no idea about either David Duke nor the Chabad Lubavich sect. But you should read Israel Shahak “Jewish History, Jewish Religion” on Talmud influence on politics in Israel until today. Maybe the sect is also mentioned there, if so I forgot about it anyway…
@ App
“So just exactly HOW DO U KNOW THIS (about Jews “knowing” about Talmud, etc.)…”
Well, let me put it this way: how do YOU know the contrary? Have you checked under each pillow of every Jew you have ever met, whether they are keeping the Talmud there, of course those secret editions with all the nasty parts in them, that Goyims are not allowed to see? Well, have you?
“Jews, many of them literally WORSHIP the Talmud”
Again, how do you know? I never met a single one who did, and I have met quite a few. In fact the people that nowadays know most about the Talmud, at least certain aspects of it, are actually guys like YOU.
And you know what’s curious: your style of thinking is pretty “talmudic” already. As the French say, “Qui mange du Juif, en meurt.” What you eat you are – and you obviously had way too many Jews for breakfast, comrade.
Post by post you give us crass examples of circular arguments and deductive thinking. This one is a specially creepy one: “Does it occur to u this quote of urs is mere special pleading in favor of Jews, meant to excuse Jew psychopathology?”
Allright, let me break it up: You read some passages from the Talmud that seem “psychopathic” to you. The Talmud is a book from Jewish culture. So all people of Jewish descent all over the world must read the Talmud. So all of them must be psychopaths. If I point out, that this is empirically not the case, nor is everything in the Talmud weird or psychopathic, then I am pleading to excuse “Jewish psychopathology”. Duh? Come on, Aristotle, even you must see the logical fallacy here. And come on, I am even so far as to excuse YOUR “psychopathology” here…
And I repeat: full versions of the Talmud with all the nasty parts in them are not generally available in paperback editions or whatever. You have to go to a library or to some antisemitic websites that checked them out, but these seem to come mostly not even from original research but from copying from elder secondary sources. In fact this stuff is pretty difficult to check out from original sources. Just give it a try. But maybe you are already studying Hebrew by now.
Also, one should not forget that the Torah plays a much bigger and more central part in Jewish religion, the Talmud being a mere comment, notoriously open to interpretation. The Torah is btw also known as the Old Testament, read and referred to by Christians all over the world.
@ Harughty
“And characterizing ANY views (as opposed to behavior, such as spamming) as “loathsome” and “creepy” really gets my guard up, after a couple of years of having even my milder views on race treated as exactly that in the MSM.”
Well I can understand that, as I have made similar experiences. But just look whos talking and don’t throw the baby out of the water or lose your common sense filters, bullshit detectors. As ever there aint no equality here. You won’t be playing on the safe side only because you let your standards of judgement down and stop discriminating. I for my repeat that all this on gentilealliance is demented, clinically insane and truely loathsome stuff, no question here…
Ah and apropos, I loved it how Hunter Wallace from OD didn’t shy away from strong words, when he said that advocating genocide, as VNN Linder does, is just plain frigging EVIL. So I wont accept any reverse-PC-accusations here…
Whatever, I guess I have fed the troll enough, and App is already blown up like a balloon from getting so much gracious attention. I guess thats what he really is addicted too.
Goodbye for now, Ms. Darkmoon, and have fun with your newly-found talmudic groupie. Just don’t wonder if your company drives the saner people away from here …
SerenusZeitblom May 2, 2010 at 4:40 PM:
(Your post at 4:31 PM had me in stitches…thanks).
You quote me
“And characterizing ANY views (as opposed to behavior, such as spamming) as “loathsome” and “creepy” really gets my guard up, after a couple of years of having even my milder views on race treated as exactly that in the MSM.”
And of course, I meant that my guard is up when such a characterizing is put forth as part of a reason why a person should be banned. I’ve no objection otherwise to views being called anything at all.
The whole point of free speech IMO, is that reality is so rich that no one, sane, brilliant, or whatever, can really get a hammerlock on it. The difference in accuracy between your views and Apo’s views is probably much less than the difference in accuracy between either of your views and the views an omniscient God would have who grasped the matter whole.
I’ve read just slightly in the history of physics, which is a history of formulations that always turn out to be seriously flawed even while seriously useful. It’s impressed me with the difficulty of being sure of anything. That’s what free speech is about, to me.
“the difficulty of being sure of anything.”
You’ve probably heard the extreme philosophical expression of this, I think by Bertrand Russell (?): It’s possible the universe was created 5 minutes ago, complete with memories and archaeological digs.
Why do I have the feeling that I’m going to regret the last 20 or 30 of my posts on this thread.
Because when I finally visit another thread, I’m going to find Apo there, and want to leave.
Day four of the grand quest to bring Apo to reality, and I see that nothing has changed.
“Whatever, I guess I have fed the troll enough, and App is already blown up like a balloon from getting so much gracious attention. I guess thats what he really is addicted too.”
-Yes, immaturity and attention getting behavior are the hallmarks of the mentally ill, don’t you know.
This thread is obviously about to expire. It can’t go on for much longer. Very few threads on this site collect over 100 comments. None but this one have gone over the 200 mark. Incredibly, this thread has set a new record: over 300 comments!
Phenomenal.
My own comments have been relatively few compared to those of the indefatigable Apollonian and his array of stern critics — notably the erudite Serenus Zeitblom and the inimitable Harumphty Dumpty, not to mention quite a few others.
Much time and energy have been expended discussing the censorship issue and if Apollonian should be allowed to continue posting on this site. There have been frequent calls for his eviction. He is thought to be a disruptive influence, apparently posting comments that are likely to bring this site into disrepute. He has been ejected from other sites, so it is argued that he should be ejected from this one.
My own view is this, for what it is worth: if Apollonian were to be blocked from posting on this site, it would be the end of free speech.
However much you may disagree with what Apollonian says, you must allow him to say it.
If he is mad, as some have alleged, there is a method in his madness. His brain is no common one. It is crackling with a thousand coruscating ideas.
These ideas may be detestable to many, but why ban them if they give Apollonian such innocent pleasure to express them, and the rest of us so much amusement to read them.
Honest elections and death to the Fed! :)
Xanadu
(aka Lasha Darkmoon)
Lasha writes:
“Honest elections and death to the Fed!”
Lol! (I think)
[Apollonian commentary in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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SerenusZeitblom says:
May 2, 2010 at 4:31 PM
“…
“@ App
““So just exactly HOW DO U KNOW THIS (about Jews “knowing” about Talmud, etc.)…”
“Well, let me put it this way: how do YOU know the contrary? [BECAUSE, VERY SIMPLY, JEWS ARE DEFINED BY TALMUD; JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS (MURDERING, ANTI-GENTILE PSYCHOPATHS) BY DEFINITION, AS ANY AUTHORITY, JEW OR CHRISTIAN ATTESTS. SO JEWS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TALMUD, INCLUDING THE "SECULAR" SORT, RELATED BY RACE, WHO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS JEWS. DECENT HUMAN BEINGS WOULD NEVER ADMIT THEY'RE JEW (HENCE TALMUDIST).]
“Have you checked under each pillow of every Jew you have ever met, whether they are keeping the Talmud there, of course those secret editions with all the nasty parts in them, that Goyims are not allowed to see? Well, have you? [AGAIN, JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS BY DEFINITION, ACCORDING TO ALL AUTHORITIES--AND I'VE GIVEN MY REFS.]
““Jews, many of them literally WORSHIP the Talmud”
“Again, how do you know? [BECAUSE IT'S THE CASE, AS I'VE NOTED, JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS BY DEFINITION AND RELIGION, TALMUD PREACHING HATE AND WAR AGAINST GENTILES.]
“I never met a single one who did, [U'RE JUST AN IGNORANT LIAR.]
“…and I have met quite a few. In fact the people that nowadays know most about the Talmud, at least certain aspects of it, are actually guys like YOU. [WELL, I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, I CONSIDER.]
“And you know what’s curious: your style of thinking [WHICH FEATURES LOGIC AND CHRISTIAN HONESTY.]
“…is pretty “talmudic” already. [IMPOSSIBLE--I REPUDIATE TALMUD IN ACCORD W. CHRISTIAN GOSP.S MARK 7:1-13 AND MATT 15:3-9.]
As the French say, “Qui mange du Juif, en meurt.” What you eat you are – and you obviously had way too many Jews for breakfast, comrade. [MORE PSYCHOTIC SCHIZOID-TYPE BABBLING FM THE SCHIZOID JEW.]
“Post by post you give us crass examples [LIKE WHAT?--U STUPID, PRESUMPTUOUS, LYING JEW?]
“…of circular arguments [WHERE AND HOW, DUMB JEW?]
“…and deductive thinking. [U'RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS ONE, I'D SAY.]
“This one is a specially creepy one: “Does it occur to u this quote of urs is mere special pleading in favor of Jews, meant to excuse Jew psychopathology?” [SOUNDS LIKE STRAIGHT-FORWARD QUESTION TO ME.]
“Allright, let me break it up: You read some passages from the Talmud that seem “psychopathic” to you. [NO JEW, JEW TALMUD HAS ANTI-GENITLE PASSAGES WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY PSYCHOPATHIC WITHOUT SLIGHTEST DOUBT--LIKE EXCUSING SEX W. CHILD UNDER THREE YRS OLD.]
“The Talmud is a book from Jewish culture. [TALMUD IS ABSOLUTE FOUNDATION, BY DEFINITION.]
“So all people of Jewish descent all over the world must read the Talmud. [JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS BY DEFINITION, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY--THEY THUS NECESSARILY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BOOK AND MATERIAL WITHIN WHICH THEY WORSHIP.]
“So all of them must be psychopaths. [YES, DUMBASS.]
“If I point out, that this is empirically not the case, [IT WOULD BE MERE UN-FOUNDED AND IDIOTIC ASSERTION (YET ANOTHER FM U), AS JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS BY DEFINITION, HENCE PSYCHOPATHS, AS I NOTE.]
“…nor is everything in the Talmud weird or psychopathic, [EVERYTHING MUST BE COLORED AND DEFINED BY THE OVERALL MSG, WHICH IS WAR AGAINST GENTILES--SO IT'S ALL PSYCHOPATHIC, NECESSARILY, THOUGH SOME PASSAGES, BY THEMSELVES, ARE LESS SO THAN OTHERS, SURELY.]
“…then I am pleading to excuse “Jewish psychopathology”. [UN-QUESTIONABLY, WITHOUT DOUBT.]
“Duh? Come on, Aristotle, even you must see the logical fallacy here. [TALMUD URGES WAR AND GENOCIDE AGAINST GENTILES, PERIOD, AND I'VE GIVEN REF.S, SO THERE'S NO FALLACY OR REFUTATION.]
“And come on, I am even so far as to excuse YOUR “psychopathology” here… [MORE BABBLING FM THE SCHIZOID.]
“And I repeat: full versions of the Talmud with all the nasty parts in them are not generally available in paperback editions or whatever. [THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON INTERNET--AND IF THEY'RE NOT WIDELY AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK, IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE JEWS WANT TO MAKE SURE ACCESS IS LIMITED OR IMPOSSIBLE TO GENTILES.]
“You have to go to a library or to some antisemitic websites [YES, ANY WEBSITE THAT CONTAINS TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOPATHIC TALMUD IS "ANTI-SEMITIC" TO JEW-LOVER LIKE U.]
“…that checked them out, but these seem to come mostly not even from original research but from copying from elder secondary sources. [U'RE A LYING JEW AND WISHFUL-THINKING IDIOT--HOFFMAN'S BOOK ON RevisionistHistory.org IS FM THE ORIGINAL SOURCE, SO IS Come-and-hear.com.]
“In fact this stuff [WHAT "STUFF" ARE U TALKING ABOUT?--SCHIZOID MORON--BUT I ASSUME U'RE TALKING ABOUT TALMUD AND QUOTES THEREFROM.]
“…is pretty difficult to check out from original sources. [U'RE A BRAINLESS SCHIZOID LIAR, AS ALWAYS.]
“Just give it a try. [GIVE WHAT A TRY?--U UTTERLY MORONIC SCHIZOIDAL FOOL--DO U EVEN KNOW WHAT U'RE TALKING ABOUT?]
“But maybe you are already studying Hebrew by now. [I DON'T THINK SO, DUMBASS SCHIZOID.]
“Also, one should not forget that the Torah plays a much bigger and more central part in Jewish religion, [U'RE AN ABSOLUTE BRAINLESS LIAR--TALMUD IS ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVE--EVERYTHING FM TORAH MUST BE FILTERED THROUGH MISHNAH, AND THEN THAT FILTERED THROUGH GEMARA "INTERPRETATION," AS I UNDERSTAND FM THE REFERENCES. U'RE JUST AN IGNORANT, MORONIC LIAR, PURE AND SIMPLE, THROUGH AND THROUGH.]
“…the Talmud being a mere [IT ISN'T "MERE"--IT'S ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVE, ACCORDING TO THE REFERENCES GIVEN.]
“…comment, notoriously open to interpretation. [OF COURSE, FOR JEWS EVERYTHING IS OPEN TO "INTERPRETATION" BY DEFINITION--THERE SIMPLY IS NO REALITY BUT WHAT RABBIS AND TALMUD SAY, THIS ALL FOR THE GOOD OF JEWS.]
“The Torah is btw also known as the Old Testament, read and referred to by Christians all over the world.” [THANKS FOR THE TID-BIT, SCHIZOID JEW. SO NOTE THEN, WORKING FM THE ORIGINAL QUESTION PUT TO U, UR REPLY THEN IS PSYCHOPATHIC TALMUD--WHICH PSYCHOPATHOLOGY U IDIOTICALLY DENY--IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR HUMANITY AND JEWS (TALMUDISTS, HENCE PSYCHOPATHS) SHOULD BE ACCEPTED BY REAL HUMANS. BUT WE RATIONAL, HONEST GENTILES TOTALLY REJECT UR JEWWY, TALMUDIC PSYCHOPATHOLOGY AND ANTI-HUMANITY, ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL. SO EXPECT IMMINENT JEW-EXPULSION AS U SO RICHLY DESERVE.]
“Incredibly, this thread has set a new record: over 300 comments!”
– largely because your pet ogre Ap has posted so voluminously his insults to other posters, which insults have nothing at all to do with the theme of your article “Goodbye America”. Subtract those and count only the ones that are germain to that article, and what would the post count be?
“My own view is this, for what it is worth: if Apollonian were to be blocked from posting on this site, it would be the end of free speech. ”
-Surely, you jest? Even here in the US, where the 1st amendment is so cherished by the “press”, one is not free to slander and insult others at whim. The internet is the last frontier of that abuse here in America, and people like Ap will soon find themselves behind bars for such abuse of the 1st amendment when and if the “hate speech” laws are passed here as they have been in Europe. That is not to say that I am in favor of the abrogation of free speech, but that there is a difference between exercising that “right” in the context of intelligent discussion of ideas, social issues and government and using it to merely mindlessly abuse others and insult for the sake of insult.
“It is crackling with a thousand coruscating ideas.”
- Oh puuuuhhhhlease! What ideas might those be? His entire argument can be condensed thus:
“All white people should become good Christians (his definition thereof, of course) and join hands with the various “people of color” to destroy the Jews”
How profound.
Lasha, I think you keep him around solely for the increased hit count to the blog that his nasty behavior garners.
“Lasha is recycling A’s mantra”
(Geiseric, 3rd millennium BCE).
Conclusion: Irony rules – after the death of God.
Honest elections etc.
Curt @ May 3, 2010 at 2:30 PM
“Lasha, I think you keep him around solely for the increased hit count to the blog that his nasty behavior garners.”
Curt: It’s not my blog. I have no control over who posts here. I’m only too aware that Apo and his detractors have contributed an enormous number of posts to this thread, but only in the last 2 days after the serious discussion effectively ended and most of the posters upped sticks and moved on to pastures new.
Put yourself in Apo’s shoes, Curt. If everyone’s attacking you, wouldn’t you like at least ONE defender?
Even the Devil has his Advocate!
Who here actually reads Ap’s stuff word for word?
Who just scans?
Who now ignores? (after being insulted on another thread)
Inferiors, Weaklings Resent Superior Quality
(Apollonian, 3 May 10)
“Curt”: it isn’t “slander” to tell the truth–and that’s value of free expression of opinion regarding such truth. I say and honestly think u’re brainless, scummy punk–this is my honest opinion, and in other posts I’m sure I give specific reasons why I think u’re stupid moron.
Further Curt: u really are a LIAR. Yes, I do say what u say I say (above)–BUT I also say quite a lot more in terms of intricate detail. U Curt, are a cowardly, whining, little cry-baby, and u’re a fascist punk too, not surprisingly, to go along w. ur ignorance and cowardice. These are all opinions and are not slander as I honestly consider it all to be truth. And all right-thinking people agree w. me, I’m sure.
Curt, u haven’t got slightest idea what is “intelligent” discussion–for obvious reason u’re so presumptuous and grossly lacking in such intelligence–u’re a cowardly, ignorant, whining cry-baby who additionally tries to lie and intimidate the blog admin to effect people will not read blog unless admin does what punk like u says.
CONCLUSION: “Barking…,” u also lack sufficient character to taking criticism; good blogs don’t need inferior intellects as urs and Curt’s. In future try to be less like ur disgusting selves and more like me. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“Put yourself in Apo’s shoes, Curt. If everyone’s attacking you, wouldn’t you like at least ONE defender?”
Would I DESERVE to be defended if I had brought those attacks on myself?
By your line of reasoning, Alistair Crowley also deserved a defender…. if you had been living in those days, would you have volunteered to defend him?
Hey, Apo, you don’t know how to give criticism is why you piss people off, not because you have a different viewpoint. You disagree in a miserable, crazed, disagreeable way.
We could avoid messing up other threads this same way by bringing all such discussion back here if it comes up again.
Curt @ May 3, 2010 at 7:57 PM
“Put yourself in Apo’s shoes, Curt. If everyone’s attacking you, wouldn’t you like at least ONE defender?” [Xanadu/Lasha D]
Would I DESERVE to be defended if I had brought those attacks on myself?
By your line of reasoning, Alistair Crowley also deserved a defender…. if you had been living in those days, would you have volunteered to defend him?
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I would never have defended Alistair Crowley, dear Curt, but I would have defended his right to be published. The same with the Marquis de Sade. The same with Hitler.
Imagine a world in which the censors had gone berserk. Would you prefer a world in which the Marquis de Sade’s pornograhic masterpieces had never been published? In which Hitler’s Mein Kampfhad never seen the light of day?
The world would be a poorer place if these poisonous flowers had not been permitted to display their black petals to the sun.
This is not to defend the poisonous flowers. It is to defend their right to exist. God did not annihilate the devils, Curt. He sends his rain on the just and on the unjust. He allows the existence of vermin, viruses, bacteria. They are put here for a good reason: to test our mettle.
If you were to agree to the suppression of Mein Kampf to keep the Jews happy, you would then have to agree to the suppression of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Where do you stop? Your argument for the censorship of Apo’s post lead you into a cul de sac from which there is no exit.
It would lead, if your logic were fully applied, to the suppression of 99% of the world’s literature! — for there is NO book, however great, that someone has not objected to strenuously as offensive in the extreme!
Is the Bible to be banned because it is offensive to secular humanists like Richard Dawkins?
Is the Qur’an to be banned because Abe Foxman thinks it’s a terrorist manual?
Is Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice to be banned because of its offensive portrayal of Shylock the Jew?
That way madness lies…
Apo, shut up! I’m going to recommend your instant execution! :)
Cheers,
Xanadu/Lasha
“Lasha” Ought To Be Honest, Tell Us About Purpose Of Her Art
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
Hey “Lasha”: since u’re still around commentating and all, I was wondering if u might just tell us all the truth–u’re actually a Jew urself, aren’t u?
At first I thought u might have been taken-in by “Zeitblom” the babbling schizoidal–but then it occurred to me, hey, u’re actually his people (probably a Jew), and u’re just being courteous to one of ur own with a wink-wink thrown his way.
And that’s why u’re so encouraging, as u were in above note, for gentiles to actually mate w. hook-nosed, deformed monsters carrying the “mark” of Cain–u’re one of them, right?
It’s hard to take “artists” like u seriously–esp. when u urself don’t take such as Talmud monstrosity seriously, which Talmud Jews themselves don’t want published as they don’t want gentiles to know full extent of their devilish monstrosity and treachery.
See “Lasha,” here’s serious problem: this blog, as I understand anyway, is oriented towards idea/notion/concept of “white” people’s true and proper interests. So first thing (problem) is IDENTIFICATION. So how then is it even possible imagining Jews are white?–anymore than mestizos and mulattos?
CONCLUSION: No wonder u urself then are so encouraging to mating w. monsters–what then do u even think u’re really doing here on this blog? Tell us true. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Desperate Measures Are Resorted To When Catastrophe Beckons
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
“Barking…”: I have to admit to some frustration w. u when I attempted to try to discussing present economic absurdity vis. COUNTERFEIT scam of Fed–how it is INCREDIBLE, HORRENDOUS advantage to Jew enemies to be printing up (COUNTERFEITING, again) all the money. U just seemed to refuse to think while u babbled away in ur moralistic paroxysms.
Imagine the invincible advantage u’d have urself if u were allowed such an over-whelming privilege of manufacturing money–only needing paper and ink–while everyone else had to work for it.
See, we’re only EQUAL when we all have same obligation for WORKING for our wages–we’re SLAVES when we gotta work, but Jews can just print up the money and thereby literally DICTATE to everyone else.
As I keep trying to explain to everyone–it’s precisely why politicians vote as instructed by Jews–as for “amnesty” for illegal invaders, EVEN WHEN THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE WILDLY AGAINST such “amnesty” by 80% and even more.
For politicians FEAR Jews, more than they fear people, Jews foremost murderers and criminals, Israeli MOSSAD roaming the country, executing people at will, everything else nearly TOTALLY controlled by these Jew COUNTERFEITERS at the top.
That’s then only WORK Jews gotta do–executing/murdering folks who inform the people as to the incredible effortless scam Jews are running w. that COUNTERFEIT racket at top.
And so, u see, as soooo often, as u might know, when people are sooooo stupid and refuse to see immediate problem is this COUNTERFEITING, I resort to desperate measures. Perhaps u’ve since been thinking about our topic. But u have to admit, u’re capable of driving men to horrible, desperate distraction w. ur gross thick-headedness–u can’t blame us or me for getting desperate–u seem to enjoy it, thinking u’re sooooo “moral”–and I hate people like that.
Think, “Barking…,” very soon now, matter of months only, US Dollar is going to crash–no longer world “reserve currency.” Do u begin to realize the truly horrible catastrophe (not just “disaster”) that collapse is going to be?–there’s going to be literal STARVATION here in USA–esp. if we don’t get our people TOGETHER and united.
CONCLUSION: So I consider I can be forgiven for my frustration, I pray–because, don’t worry, u’re going to forget all about it as u (and we) desperately contemplate trying to eat the leather of our belts and shoes. Think of those poor Ukrainians back in early thirties, last cent.; ur present troubles are NOTHING. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
apollonian @ May 4, 2010 at 8:23 AM
Hey “Lasha”: I was wondering if u might just tell us all the truth–u’re actually a Jew urself, aren’t u?
At first I thought u might have been taken-in by “Zeitblom” the babbling schizoidal–but then it occurred to me, hey, u’re actually his people (probably a Jew), and u’re just being courteous to one of ur own with a wink-wink thrown his way.
And that’s why u’re so encouraging… for gentiles to actually mate w. hook-nosed, deformed monsters carrying the “mark” of Cain–u’re one of them, right?
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Believe me, dear Amo, there’s nothing wrong with my nose. The last time I checked in the mirror, my nose it reasonably small and fetching. I believe it’s called a “tiptilted” nose. :)
I’d like to assure you that no insults you choose to hurl at me will shake me in my firm conviction that you should be allowed make a fool of yourself on this site.
Kevin MacDonald may have second thoughts, however, if you continue to clog up his hard drive with this interminable verbiage. His computer is probably coming under severe strain! :)
Lasha writes:
“Hitler…HItler’s…”
Lasha, you are too bright to be “Hitlering”!
When I see that I always suggest doing “Stalin” for a while instead.
The fact that people don’t do Stalin, but only do Hitler (and do it all day long every day!) is just another sign of who has occupied our minds as well as our country.
(And Stalin did write a few things)
(continuing, to Lasha)
I believe 20 million is the number of Soviet citizens Stalin is reliably held to have slain.
Hitler was hardly in his league…the Nazis only killed…well, let’s see, the plaque that was once in front of the Auschwitz museum stated that 4 million were killed there, but some years ago that plaque was removed after the Auschwitz death records were finally released by the U.S.S.R., and establishment Holocaust® scholars concluded that about 1.2 million inmates had died at Auschwitz, rather than 4 million.
The official reduction of the death toll at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1.2 million is why you never hear the traditional “6 million” figure anymore.
Except of course when you turn on your TV, or turn on your radio, or go to the movies, or read a magazine, or post online, or talk to your neighbor over the fence, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.
Free inquiry and death to the Holocaust®.
Apo, I’m flattered that my sheer stupidity would be deserving of your time and terabyte-long response. :) Really. As I recall, I was objecting to the kneejerk belief that going back to the gold standard was automatically going to turn the USA into Heaven on Earth. It doesn’t mean I support the present counterfeit money system.
Is “Lasha” Beginning To Wilt Under Pressure?
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
“Lasha”: remember the INDUCTIVE method, particular details leading then to generalization–u’re alleged to being “Ph.d,” remember? Evermore u merely add to looming, presumptive inductive conclusion. And I note u don’t deny u’re Jew. For Jews are not white, are they?–we note u don’t comment upon that important question/issue.
It’s the “duck-test,” in layman’s terms: if it walks and talks like one, then it’s evermore reasonable in the scientific, inductive process to so conclude. After awhile the conclusion is simply confirmed evermore.
U’re clever “Lasha,” in ur patronizing manner–u’re against censorship–except now when the pressure and heat start getting to u, eh? Then u tell us about ur nose physiology as if u think we don’t understand the principles of recessive genes and characteristics.
Conclusion is u’re Jew mole (I won’t say “troll”) on this site and in “movement,” become evermore justified for all the evidence, I’d say.
And are u imagining things now?–what was the “insult” u allege I “hurled”? And how is it being a “fool” to simply observe like scientist and pursue the investigation? Do u “protesteth too much”?
CONCLUSION: So I’ll reiterate, comrade “Lasha”: if this site is about the interests of real white folks, it’s obvious it must exclude Jews who are no more white than mestizos or mulattos, and one must wonder then what good u do real white folk advocating such as mating w. Jew monsters. Tell us true, verily. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
So What’s “Middle” Between Counterfeiting And Gold/Commodity Standard?
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
Well “Barking…,” evidently now u think there’s “third” way btwn such counterfeiting and gold/commodity standard. I gave exhaustive expo and numerous sources.
So what then, seriously and really, are u even talking about?–pray, tell. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Great post, Apollonian! You’re spot on!
Our politicians do fear the Jews more than they do us…that IS the problem! The thing that makes it so is the rigging of our elections. Of course, it doesn’t help that you have all these idiot peaceniks prancing around talking about peaceful, non-violent “solutions”…they are liars and deceivers down to the last of them.
The only possible way to take control of our country is to strike fear into the politicians while simultaneously gathering them to our breast…in other words: offer them protection from the Jews in exchange for their absolute cooperation, whispering “…or you shall never see another sunrise.”
The thing I “love” the most about these goofy peaceniks is the fact that they actually think that they’re better and more morale than our founding fathers! Talk about delusional.
The Jews have really done a number on us, and the Christians helped them – payback is going to be a motherf#cker! A second American Civil War is inevitable at this point…and starvation will be yet another prong of the Jewish attack on America. But, in spite of our differences and our feuds, we must make a blood promise to each other that, no matter what happens, the Jew banksters must die!
Remember: Christianity, To Truly Oppose Jew, Must Be Rational
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
“Little guy”: thanks for ur comments, but I think u gotta re-think ur view on dear Christianity–it really is originally designed as anti-semitism (anti-Talmud, as Gosp.s MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9).
But note Jews have taken control of establishment Christianity over the yrs and centuries, by means of their money and COUNTERFEITING, so that now Christianity is made out to being such putrid MYSTIC crap, so off-putting to so many people esp. nowadays.
For note as in Gosp. JOHN, the relevant anti-theses are Truth (14:6) vs. Jew lies and conspiracy (8:44); these then correspond, in strict philosophic terms, to Aristotelian objectivity vs. Talmudic subjectivism, basis for Jew lies, objectivity necessary criterion for any truth.
And note again Jew Talmud is simply psychopathologic war strategy for enslaving and murdering gentiles. Hence such Jew psychopathology can only be opposed by that human reason, which reason then it really is very object of Christianity to uphold and defend–no less than truth.
Observe then how Jews try to reverse it, saying Christianity is mysticism/superstition whereas Judaism is rational
CONCLUSION: Presently then, Jews are working for a “Gotterdamerung” sort of chaos so that topmost masterminds can escape somewhere, and it’s critical we have something by which to unite our dear people–thus Christianity, but of course, of rationalist sort, properly sympathetic to reason–like the original founders. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
little guy says:
“…no matter what happens, the Jew banksters must die!”
Well of course they must, as we all must (so I guess your statement isn’t inflammatory :)
Hey, where did the emoticon come from…I only wrote a colon and an end of parentheses…
I have no idea why you should suggest I’m a Jew, Apo, except that this appears to be a general term of abuse you wheel out and apply to ANYONE who happens to disagree with you.
Try and understand, Apo, that I don’t feel particularly insulted when you call me a Jew — any more than I would be insulted if you were to call me an Eskimo!
I have a Jewish friend, a female painter in Florida, whom I absolutely adore. She is a convert to Christianity and refers to herself as a “completed Jew.” Nor is she a Zionist, though her mother is. She’s fun to be with and a gorgeous human being.
It’s time you modified your views, Apo. Smarten up. Not all Jews are as bad as you think they are.
I have said this before, Apo, and I’ll say it again: the best cure for anti-Semitism is to actually get to know a few Jews and make friends with them.
Here’s the formula:
Elite organized Jewry (= bad).
Ordinary individual Jews (= good AND bad, like any other ethnic group).
Isaac Deutscher: “Let Jewry die, and Jews live.”
Apo, I do not know what the ideal money system would be in an industrialized, technological country. I know that certain parties love gold above all things and that should be a hint that it’s not a good idea as currency. I guess something that requires true personal effort would be a good form of currency. Something that reflects our true worth. I say that gold is pretty, but inherently useless when the youknowwhat hits the fan. Which it indeed soon will.
Further, I was saying that all along. Not that it matters, but you could look it up. But please don’t. Let’s end it here. I like K.McD. a whole bunch and I don’t want to do anything to encourage you to burn up his server, okay. I promise I won’t talk to you anymore, no matter what. You can have the last word!
Bloggers Learn Satisfaction For Dialectic Art
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
Right “Barking…”; here’s my last word then: fact is u have nothing of any substance to say on the subject and never did, though u want to pretend u do or did. U were given all opportunity.
U make no sense regarding, “I know that certain parties love gold above all things and that should be a hint that it’s not a good idea as currency.” That u don’t care u make no sense is not my problem.
“Currency” is slightly different, though not much, for money term.
Regarding server for the blog: that’s what it’s there for, and this is legitimate, proper dialectic–and as I’ve said, these blogs and this latest blog-art is incredible for new knowledge we get about all things, including bloggers like u, “Barking…,” who so enjoy hearing (watching) urself “talk”–as we all do, surely.
CONCLUSION: I hope u’re satisfied for what u accomplish–I’m sure other people learn quite a lot by this blogging and dialectic. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
We are very much alike in our thinking, Apollonian, however, I will always be suspicious of Christians, for a laundry-list of reasons.
You wrote…”…Christianity–it really is originally designed as anti-semitism”. Remember what Theodor Herzl wrote “The anti-Semites shall be our best friends!” Christianity was invented by the Jews…nearly every word in the Christian bible was written by Jews. Luke, I think, was the only gentile (I think he might then have been a Communist-liberal, though….not sure). Now, you may remember when all the Neo-Cons were attacking the United Nations…this was a textbook example of reverse psychology. The Neo-Cons actually wanted to strengthen the UN – it’s a crucial piece of infrastructure for NWO – so they attacked it and, as predicted, all the ding-a-ling peaceniks came rushing to protect and strengthen the UN! The Jews use this exact same technique of reverse psychology on you Christians…they want you to stay under the spell of Christianity, because it’s such a powerful control mechanism, so they attack it, and guess what happens: the Christians rush in to protect and strengthen the mind control apparatus that was invented, and imposed on them, by the Jews in the first place!
I agree that we must unite the people and rally them to our noble cause…the first step should be to pummel the peaceniks with a constant barrage of intellectual attacks and a sustained smear campaign. Step 2 should be to re-frame violent action as noble, heroic right-action…this won’t be difficult as most people are naturally moving away from the un-natural sludge, that the peaceniks peddle for their Jewish masters, and toward an understanding that while violence is never desirable it is sometimes necessary for the health and well-being of mankind.
[Apollonian commentary in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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Xanadu says:
May 4, 2010 at 1:21 PM
“I have no idea why you should suggest I’m a Jew, Apo, [BUT THIS IS OBVIOUS LIE, ESP. AS I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO U IN SUCH DETAIL. EVERMORE, U REALLY JUST INDICATE AND CONFIRM U'RE JEW, AND UR DECEPTION AND EVASIONS ONLY EMPHASIZE FACT U'RE JEW. I SUSPECT U'RE JUST ATTEMPTING TO INGRATIATE URSELF WITHIN, AMONG WHITE PEOPLE AND/OR PATRIOTS THEREOF, PERHAPS FOR UR OWN PURPOSES IF NONE OTHER--TO PROVE TO URSELF WE WHITES ARE SO DUMB WE'D TOLERATE U, NOT KNOWING OR THINKING U'RE JEW.]
“…except that this appears to be a general term of abuse [AGAIN, U LIKE TO PLAY COY. I EXPLAINED IT TO U CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY, "JEW" IS TALMUDIST BY DEFINITION, AS ALL AUTHORITIES AGREE, JEW AND CHRISTIAN. NO DECENT HUMAN BEING WOULD BE WILLING TO BE SO IDENTIFIED AS TALMUDIST, HENCE PSYCHOPATH. IT WOULD BE LIKE SOMEONE SAYING, "OH YES, MY FAMILY IS BUNCH OF CHILD-MOLESTERS."]
“…you wheel out and apply to ANYONE who happens to disagree with you. [NO, NOT JUST TO ANYONE WHO HAPPENS TO DISAGREE--THAT ONE COULD JUST BE STUPID. BUT ANYONE WHO OBSESSIVELY, CONSISTENTLY LIES THUS DEMONSTRATES JEW BEHAVIOR, JEWS MASTER LIARS AND PSYCHOPATHS.]
“Try and understand, Apo, [U SHOULD QUIT PLAYING COY AND DUMB--AND SPEAK LIKE A FORTHRIGHT (REAL) WHITE PERSON (NON-JEW), IF U WANT PEOPLE TO TRULY UNDERSTAND. BUT U CAN'T AS U INSISTENTLY, OBSESSIVELY GIVE-OUT WITH THIS CONDESCENSION AS U DO--U'RE ONLY FOOLING URSELF.]
“…that I don’t feel particularly insulted when you call me a Jew [BUT U SHOULD; THAT U DON'T RATHER INDICATES U'RE ACTUALLY A JEW, I SUBMIT. U'RE JUST DISAPPOINTED I'VE FOUND U OUT.]
“…— any more than I would be insulted if you were to call me an Eskimo! [I SUSPECT U'RE JUST LYING--LIKE TYPICAL JEW.]
“I have a Jewish friend, [I'LL BET ALL UR FRIENDS ARE JEWS, FOR WHAT HONEST GENTILE COULD REALLY STAND SUCH INSUFFERABLE PATRONIZING SORT AS U?]
“…a female painter in Florida, whom I absolutely adore. She is a convert to Christianity [OH, HOW "MIGHTY WHITE" OF THE JEW.]
“…and refers to herself as a “completed Jew.” [IF SHE TRULY IS CHRISTIAN, SHE MUST BE ANTI-SEMITIC, NECESSARILY, AS DEFENDER OF CHRIST IS DEFENDER OF TRUTH, HENCE ENEMY OF LIES, HENCE ENEMY OF JEWS WHO MURDERED CHRIST LIKE THEY MURDER TRUTH, REALITY, OBJECTIVITY, ETC.]
“Nor is she a Zionist, [THIS IS JUST SYMPTOMATIC OF UR STRANGE, JEWWY, TWISTED THOUGHT-PROCESS--"ZIONIST" IS JEW, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH NECESSARILY CONTRADICTS CHRISTIAN, PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD.]
“…though her mother is. [MAY SHE BE RUN-OVER BY GARBAGE TRUCK, I SAY.]
“She’s fun to be with [HOW PUTRID.]
“…and a gorgeous human being. [RIGHT--U HAVE THIS RATHER SICKENING TENDENCY TO CONDESCEND, IF U NOTICE.]
“It’s time you modified your views, Apo. [BUT U DON'T SAY WHY. A WISE PERSON ADJUSTS TO REALITY, BUT U'RE ALWAYS SOOOOO CONDESCENDING--U BEGIN TO SMELL. ALL INDICATIONS ARE U'RE JEW, AS I SAY. AND U THINK U'RE FOOLING ANYONE BUT URSELF.]
“Smarten up. [I ALWAYS TRY TO INCREASE KNOWLEDGE, AND TO LEARN, LIKE HONEST CHRISTIAN. U OUGHT TO FACE FACT U'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE SO MUCH AS URSELF, COMRADE.]
“Not all Jews are as bad [U HAVE POOR MEMORY--I TOLD U, GIVING REFERENCES, JEW IS BY DEFINITION TALMUDIST, HENCE PSYCHOPATH, AND THERE ARE NO "GOOD PSYCHOPATHS." U FOOL NO ONE SO MUCH AS URSELF, NEVER DOUBT.]
“…as you think they are. [CORRECTION: AS I "KNOW THEY ARE"--U'RE JUST CONDESCENDING JEW WHO HAS SUCH TYPICAL JEW'S CONTEMPT FOR PEOPLE U THINK WE'RE FOOLED MORE THAN U FOOL URSELF, AS I SAY.]
“I have said this before, Apo, and I’ll say it again: the best cure for anti-Semitism [ANTI-SEMITISM IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD, JEW; QUIT FOOLING URSELF, COMRADE--U DON'T FOOL ME WITH UR CONSTANT PATRONIZING AIR AND TONE.]
“…is to actually get to know a few Jews [TYPICAL PRESUMPTUOUS JEW WHO CONTINUES LYING, EVEN TO URSELF, U IMAGINE I DON'T KNOW JEWS--AS I ASSERTED I DID IN EARLIER ENTRY--WHICH NOW U JUST CONTEMPTUOUSLY IGNORE, LIKE TYPICAL JEW WHO CREATES UR OWN LITTLE SUBJECTIVIST REALITY WITHIN UR HEAD. BUT JEW LIKE U HAS SUCH ROUTINE CONTEMPT FOR PEOPLE IN GENERAL U OFTEN AND ROUTINELY IGNORE/FORGET WHAT U WERE EXPLICITLY TOLD IN ORDER TO GO ON W. UR DISGUSTING CONDESCENDING, INDULGING IN UR OWN LITTLE FALSE REALITY.]
“…and make friends with them. [SORRY, LIKE I SAY--I KNOW JEWS TOO WELL. WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE FRIENDS WITH U, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH UR THOROUGH-GOING CONTEMPT AND CONDESCENSION FOR PEOPLE?]
“Here’s the formula: [NO, I'M GOING TO CORRECT U FOR PROPER FORMULA, COMRADE, AND U SHOULD REALLY TAKE IT TO HEART IF U WERE REALLY SMART.]
“Elite organized Jewry (= bad). [YES, BUT THESE ARE MERE MASTER-MINDS AND LEADERS.]
“Ordinary individual Jews (= good AND bad, like any other ethnic group). [FALSE, ANY JEW QUA JEW IS PSYCHOPATH, REGARDLESS WHETHER ON TOP LEVEL OR LOWER-LEVEL ENFORCER RANK--LIKE THE BOLSHEVIKI MURDERERS. JEWS ARE SIMPLY AN EXTENDED CRIMINAL FAMILY OF PSYCHOPATHS WHO WORSHIP LIES AND MURDER OF GENTILES--THIS IN ACCORD W. THEIR SACRED DOCUMENTS IN TALMUD.]
“Isaac Deutscher: “Let Jewry die, and Jews live.”” [WELL YES, THIS IS WHAT CRIMINAL, PSYCHOPATHIC APOLOGISTS WOULD SAY, WOULDN'T THEY?]
Judeans Are NOT “Jews”–Talmudists, By Definition
(Apollonian, 4 May 10)
“Little guy”: I like a lot of what u say–it seems u do verily know quite a bit. But u gotta get it straight about Christianity: I MEAN EXACTLY WHAT I SAY, COMRADE.
Christianity vs. Jew is same as TRUTH vs. lies; parallel then in strict philosophic terms, objective vs. subjective.
Further, note: early Christians WERE NOT “Jews,” Jews understood by definition as Talmudists, followers of Pharisees. Jews are NOT same as “Judeans.” Early Christians may have been Judeans–but that’s far better than being Jews, many of those Judeans heavily sympathetic to Greeks. Only about 5-15% of Judeans were followers of Pharisees at the time.
CONCLUSION: Remember, most folks cannot handle strict intellect; they rather need aesthetic, and that’s great virtue of Christianity, never doubt. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Harumphty_Dumpty says:
May 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
little guy says:
“…no matter what happens, the Jew banksters must die!”
“Well of course they must, as we all must (so I guess your statement isn’t inflammatory)”
Boy-O-boy, you’re a pistol! XD
On the Jews…
Organized “Elite” Jews = very bad…too evil to let live!
Funny, entertaining Jews = good (‘cept for that awful Larry David!)
Good-looking Jewish females = good (some Jews deserve a second chance!)
Jewish Males = bad (unless their funny and entertaining)
Good-looking Jewish males = very bad (Banish them to the Sun!)
“Where do you stop? Your argument for the censorship of Apo’s post lead you into a cul de sac from which there is no exit.
It would lead, if your logic were fully applied, to the suppression of 99% of the world’s literature!”
First, it is not like Ap does not have a venue (for now, until the net gets purged of his ilk) for his screeds- he has his own blog as a matter of fact, if I have read (actually scanned, reading his stuff painful to the sane) previous posts correctly. Further, what is happening when Ap gets banned from other blogs is not quite “censorship”; posting on blogs is a privelege, not a “right”, and you (or rather, professor MacDonald) has the right to block my posts (or anyone’s), as it is his blog. Ap has the right to post his nonsense on a blog of his creation (right up until his IP provider decides they had enough of the complaints that inevitably follow and cut the umbilical cord for him), or the blogs of others until they get enough of him and ban him as he was at VNN.
Look at it this way: blogs are like an association of people, who get together to discuss topics of interest to them. If one of the member’s is disruptive, he or she gets tossed out, its that simple. It should not be incumbent on the membership to endure the blather of someone who has an “agenda” to pursue and attempts to force it on others. This is to say that by tolerating Ap you are not “preserving free speech for the world”, if that is what you are trying to say, nor is it fostering an environment conducive to free speech either-it is rather, choking off commentary from others who may well have something interesting to say, but are instead inspired to leave after viewing the prolific inane commentary of one poster (i.e: “this must be the blog equivalent of a nuthouse”).
As to “where do I stop?”- don’t you think that is a bit dramatic? We are, after all, not talking about denying the man ANY forum at all on which to spew his venom and bilge, rather, it is a matter of maintaining order and civil environment for commentary. If other blog moderators have kicked him out for his conduct, shouldn’t that tell you something? It should tell HIM something, but the message will never penetrate to him.
I’m afraid that de Sade and Hitler your point do not make. Both were politically powerful (and yes, TALENTED, though evil) people, and connections, power and in de Sade’s case, money and the social stature that comes with a “title”) got them published (you seem to forget that Hitler was very popular in Germany at a time when those people were suffering a terrible economic depression-which Hitler did much to lift them out of and this too, would make his “literary work” very salable at that time).
“Is the Bible to be banned because it is offensive to secular humanists like Richard Dawkins?
Is the Qur’an to be banned because Abe Foxman thinks it’s a terrorist manual?
Is Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice to be banned because of its offensive portrayal of Shylock the Jew?”
“Oy Vey”, such melodrama! Is Appolonian’s megatext the peer to these works, Lasha?
- I remember your article on the denigration of art at the hands of Jewish art galleries. Since art is a form of “expression” (“speech” in graphic form, if you will) I find it odd that you do not wish this form of “free speech” to have its forum. Could it be that “free speech” is not quite the hallowed and “to be protected at all cost” principle to you that you claim?
For me, Lasha, Appolonian is the human embodiment of that crucifix stuck in a bucket of urine.
I meant to say that his “writings” and his attitude consititute the equivalent of that “work of art” by Andres Serrano
Work of Art:
“Syndrome of Control”at You Tube.Lindsey Williams and Jonathan May.
IMF,NWO.
The Satanic Central Banksters’Monetary Enslavement System 3 Sept 09
with 94 comments?Walter E. Haas search Yahoo.com.
It is a gentile and jew work of art.Art competition 2% versus 98%.The
art of the deal.Donald Trump.Trump it.He said he would not invest in
Israel.No art deals.Talmud work of art.Michael Hoffman 11 research.
Walter E. Haas God Bless America
Curt @ May 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM
“For me, Lasha, Appolonian is the human embodiment of that crucifix stuck in a bucket of urine.”
— [Referring to Andres Serrano's Piss Christ].
Well put, Curt, and spot on! Most of what you say in your long post makes good sense and I would not disagree with it. I am trying to be tolerant and reasonable and lend a sympathetic ear to both sides.
If I were to call for Apo’s head and demand his eviction from this site — something I cannot really do as this is Kevin MacDonald’s forum and he has absolute power here — I would be portrayed as a petty dictator who can brook no personal criticism.
Apo has abused me roundly, remember, as he has abused almost everyone else on this thread. He has even made a derogatory comment about my nose, suggesting it might belong to a certain unpopular genre, i.e., the hook-nosed variety! :)
I have spoken to Apo as I have spoken to you: in measured tones, without the slightest trace of anger. I have shown Apo kindness and praised the originality of his mind. My reward? I am accused of being a patronizing bitch. My natural kindness is portrayed as condescension.
Sigh…what to do about Apo? I just don’t know.
Let me just say this. As one with an academic background — I have taught for many years — how could I possibly endure facing a class of disruptive louts who boo and hiss at everything I say and refuse to let me teach? I believe this is what Kevin MacDonald has to face sometimes in his classes. It is indeed intolerable. As a prolonged temper tantrum by a spoilt child would be at a family gathering.
Strict discipline is required in schools and universities. Pupils should not be allowed to disrupt lessons. They should be slung out. And severely punished for their insubordination. The fact that they are not, and that indiscipline is not only allowed but secretly encouraged by our Zionist-controlled governments, tells us something: that the State is doing its best to dumb down education and make it impossible for teachers to teach.
They want the next generation to be as stupid as possible. How else can they control the masses and manipulate them unless they educate them from birth with a view to making them dumb and docile?
Does Apo belongs to this group of disruptive influences? I am not so sure. If there is a common consensus that he is intolerable, then it is up to Kevin MacDonald to take remedial action.
It is not for me to decide.
Cheers,
Xanadu/Lasha
[Commentary by Ap in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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Curt says:
May 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM
““Where do you stop? Your argument for the censorship of Apo’s post lead you into a cul de sac from which there is no exit.
“It would lead, if your logic were fully applied, to the suppression of 99% of the world’s literature!”
“First, it is not like Ap does not have a venue (for now, until the net gets purged of his ilk) [LISTEN TO THIS: "...UNTIL THE NET GETS PURGED OF HIS ILK." I CONSIDER THIS TO BE MOST HOSTILE--HOSTILE NOT ONLY TO ME PERSONALLY, BUT TO ANYONE WHO EVEN THINKS LIKE ME, AS "CURT" THE FASCIST PUNK PUTS IT. "CURT," U CAN'T BLAME ME FOR NOT LIKING U, COMRADE. YET STILL, NOTE I DON'T ADVOCATE UR BANNING, U SCUMMY PUKE--U'RE JUST TOO INSIGNIFICANT.]
“…for his screeds- he has his own blog as a matter of fact, if I have read (actually scanned, reading his stuff painful to the sane) ["CURT" IS STUPID, PRESUMPTUOUS MORON.]
“…previous posts correctly. Further, what is happening when Ap gets banned from other blogs is not quite “censorship”; [FALSE--IT IS CENSORSHIP--BUT IT'S PRIVILEGED--SIMPLY "EDITORSHIP" WHICH SUCH CENSOROUS EDITORSHIP IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE IN FREE SOCIETY, THE PRIVILEGE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY--A WELL-KNOWN PRINCIPLE AND IDEAL.]
“…posting on blogs is a privelege, not a “right”, and you (or rather, professor MacDonald) has the right to block my posts (or anyone’s), as it is his blog. Ap has the right to post his nonsense on a blog of his creation (right up until his IP provider decides they had enough of the complaints [YES, "COMPLAINTS" GENERATED BY JEWS AND PUNKS LIKE "CURT."]
“…that inevitably follow and cut the umbilical cord for him), or the blogs of others until they get enough of him and ban him as he was at VNN. [YES "CURT," BUT VNN (VanguardNewsNetwork.com) IS AN EXPLICITLY SATANIST, ANTI-CHRIST SITE MOST PROBABLY FUNDED BY JEWS--WHICH FACT U DON'T TELL PEOPLE.]
“Look at it this way: blogs are like an association of people, who get together to discuss topics of interest to them. If one of the member’s is disruptive, he or she gets tossed out, its that simple. It should not be incumbent on the membership to endure the blather of someone who has an “agenda” to pursue and attempts to force it on others. [VERY WELL STATED, BUT THEN, ALSO LARGELY SUPERFLUOUS, AS IT'S ALREADY VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD.]
“This is to say that by tolerating Ap you are not “preserving free speech for the world”, if that is what you are trying to say, [NO DUMMY, WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO TELL U IS, ASIDE FM URSELF, MY OPINIONS AREN'T NECESSARILY, PARTICULARLY NOTABLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER--IT'S JUST STUPID PUNK LIKE U WHO'S OBSESSIVELY TRYING TO LIE, AND LOBBY, AND INTIMIDATE BLOG ADMIN INTO DOING WHAT PUNK LIKE U SAYS.]
“…nor is it fostering an environment conducive to free speech either-it is rather, choking off commentary [THIS IS WHERE U ARE PSYCHOTICALLY, DEMONSTRABLY WRONG, U POOR, BRAINLESS MORON. LETTING AP SPEAK HIS PIECE DOES NOT NOT NOT NECESSARILY IN ANY WAY "CHOKE OFF COMMENTARY," U UTTERLY BRAINLESS, STUPID, LYING MORON--THIS IS JUST UR OWN IDIOTIC EXTRAPOLATION FOR WHAT U PSYCHOTICALLY INSIST WOULD BE CONSEQUENCE OF LETTING AP SPEAK, STUPID FOOL--WHICH U CANNOT PROVE, DUMBASS PUNK, MERELY UR IMBECILIC OPINION.]
“…from others who may well have something interesting to say, but are instead inspired [THERE U GO--IF THEY ARE SO "INSPIRED" THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY APS FAULT, DUMBASS--IT'S ENTIRELY THEIR AFFAIR WHICH AP HAS NOTHING NECESSARILY AT ALL TO DO WITH.]
“…to leave after viewing the prolific inane commentary [YES, U POOR, BRAINLESS, MORONIC FOOL--BUT U SEE, THIS IS MERELY UR OWN OBSESSIVE OPINION, CAN'T U SEE?]
“…of one poster (i.e: “this must be the blog equivalent of a nuthouse”). [OKAY, SO WHAT?--THAT WOULD THEN BE THEIR OPINION TOO, WOULDN'T IT?--AND THIS IS ALL UR OPINION FOR WHAT U IMAGINE IS OTHERS' OPINION, POOR FOOL.]
“As to “where do I stop?”- don’t you think that is a bit dramatic? [WELL HONESTLY, "CURT," SURELY U SHOULD CONSIDER U'VE MADE UR IDIOTIC PT. OVER AND OVER AND OVER NOW--HOW MANY TIMES ON THIS BLOG?]
“We are, after all, not talking about denying the man ANY forum at all on which to spew his venom and bilge, [MERELY UR OPINION, DON'T FORGET.]
“…rather, it is a matter of maintaining order and civil environment for [MAYBE FOR STUPID PUNKS LIKE URSELF.]
“…commentary. If other blog moderators have kicked him out for his conduct, shouldn’t that tell you something? [INDEED, THERE ARE LOTS OF JEWS AND THEIR AGENTS WHICH IS ACTUALLY WELL-KNOWN FACT--AS THE MORALIST-PHARISAISTS AT MajorityRights.com and OccidentalDissent.com, ETC.]
“It should tell HIM something, but the message will never penetrate to him. [FALSE AGAIN, AND ACTUALLY I UNDERSTAND FAR BETTER THAN URSELF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.]
“I’m afraid that de Sade and Hitler your point do not make. Both were politically powerful (and yes, TALENTED, though evil [UR TRUE COLORS SHOW: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "EVIL" THAT EXISTS IN OBJECTIVE MANNER--PURELY A SUBJECTIVE, FASCIST EXCUSE--BUT U'RE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THIS, OBVIOUSLY.]
“…) people, and connections, power and in de Sade’s case, money and the social stature that comes with a “title”) got them published (you seem to forget that Hitler was very popular in Germany at a time when those people were suffering a terrible economic depression-which Hitler did much to lift them out of and this too, would make his “literary work” very salable at that time). [BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....]
““Is the Bible to be banned because it is offensive to secular humanists like Richard Dawkins?
“Is the Qur’an to be banned because Abe Foxman thinks it’s a terrorist manual?
“Is Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice to be banned because of its offensive portrayal of Shylock the Jew?”
““Oy Vey”, such melodrama! Is Appolonian’s megatext the peer to these works, Lasha? [WELL, "CURT," THE PUNK, SURELY NOT IN UR EYES, PERHAPS--BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, DO I?--AND NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE CARE WHAT U THINK EITHER, I DARESAY.]
“- I remember your article on the denigration of art at the hands of Jewish art galleries. Since art is a form of “expression” (”speech” in graphic form, if you will) I find it odd that you do not wish this form of “free speech” to have its forum. Could it be that “free speech” is not quite the hallowed and “to be protected at all cost” principle to you that you claim? [IF I'M NOT MIS-TAKEN, THE THESIS WAS NOT THAT IT SHOULD BE BANNED, BUT RATHER THAT JEWS ARE WORKING SO SEDULOUSLY TO UNDER-MINE AND SUBVERT ART AND THAT IT SEEMED TO BE HAVING EFFECT. SO THE SOLUTION WAS TO PRODUCE BETTER ART--AGAIN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.]
“For me, Lasha, Appolonian is the human embodiment of that crucifix stuck in a bucket of urine.” [GOOD--AND "CURT" I'M ACTUALLY GLAD U THINK SO. FURTHER, I INTEND TO DOING EVEN BETTER AND MORE, U MAY BE SURE.]
apollonian @ May 5, 2010 at 8:18 AM
Dear Apo,
I was reduced to tears when I read your long, vituperative post tearing me to pieces and ascribing to me every vice under the sun since our misguided mother Eve appeared on Planet Earth in the year 4004 B.C. :)
Tears of laughter.
You really are an exceptional comedian, Apo. You missed your metier. You belong among the pantheon of Greats: up there in the firmament with Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton and the Marx Bothers.
I can only offer you, in response to your savage and unforgivable attack on me, that witty line of Groucho Marx:
“I’d horsewhip you — if only I had a horse!” :)
Jew Continues To Persist And Pretend Within Her Own Little World
(Apollonian, 5 May 10)
Right “Lasha”: But see, people can ck back for that magnificent DIALECTIC for this blog–and they can draw their own conclusions, can’t they?–the very magnificent great virtue of blog-art, I say again–which has single-handedly, as I note, essentially destroyed power and grip of mass-corporate “Jews-media.”
U’re Jew, playing “good-cop” against “bad” Zionists, in favor of Jews, working for Jews–u don’t care about white folk (meaning non-Jew). And u have insurmountable problem: Jews are not “white” anymore than mestizos or mulattos.
U’re endlessly patronizing–evidently, u imagine urself the latter-day “Esther.” And u demonstrate that Jew ability of subjectivity, living in ur own little world. But u’re well-organized criminal gang/extended-family as I note, well-led too.
CONCLUSION: And it’s truly CYCLIC process, according to “Decline of the West,” by Spengler, once again, u Jews steadily eliminating evermore weakling gentiles–UNTIL u urselves becoming over-populated in ur turn. People will definitively catch-on when ur present COUNTERFEIT scam goes bust in HYPER-inflation, soon enough. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
I have a question for you, Apollonian: what will you do once the sh!t hits the fan? Any concrete plans in place?
I like to ask people about this – especially those who actually mention the coming collapse – just to get a sense of what others might be doing to prepare.
Hitler was evil?
Hitler was ‘evil’, because . . . ?
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i also find this guy apollonian quite offensive and obnoxious.
**** AND RIGHT ****
what i find even more offensive are the jew apologists that say stuff like: “why do you automatically distrust a jew who claims he didn’t say kol nidre?”, or
“what about all those obviously nice vegetarian, non-smoking jews who like dogs and kiss babies?” (and have one testicle)
(and are lousy artists whose works sell in millions, lest you think this is tongue in cheek)
Hmm…I find Apollonian entertaining and I agree with a lot of what he says too. I wish he would use words like ‘mule’ and ‘donkey’ in his writings but, other than that, I find him very entertaining.
because . . . he didn’t win the Commie Jew World War?
because . . . he doesn’t own the Hollywood propaganda machine?
because . . . he turned the German economy from a jew wreck into a powerhouse by booting out the jew usurers in 1933?
because . . . the enemy aliens he confined to internment camps (after Judea declared war on Germany in 1933) were required to actually work for the German war effort, unlike the Germans and Japanese placed in internment camps in America? (America had more than enough dupes to work on behalf of the Commie jew war effort.)
Probably all of the above, huh.
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“I have a question for you, Apollonian: what will you do once the sh!t hits the fan? Any concrete plans in place?” -little guy says: May 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM
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“Little guy”: I’ve actually already posted on this pt., on our own blog at GentileAlliance and on this blog-site too, back on 2 May, “Kevin MacDonald: Jewish groups oppose Arizona-type laws–except in Israel,” 29 Apr 10–see below-copied.
Note basically, long as we keep mighty internet we’re going to win–but that’s just the problem–keeping it. ZOG-Mammon isn’t finished, and they will/must continue tightening screws. So, in general, we must keep people united by means of Christian aesthetic, and make use of States’ rights ideal, local government. See below-copied fm above-noted blog, this site.
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apollonian says:
May 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM
“I believe the Jewish “moral leaders” are actually eager and well- prepared for an anti-white race war here in the USA. Why else would they be branding so many whites “Nazi” in the most ridiculous way? Where is this leading us?” -HLN says: May 1, 2010 at 8:13 PM
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Economic Collapse Is Imminent: But ZOG-Mammon Is Still Reeling In Retreat
(Apollonian, 2 May 10)
“HLN”: u bring up (above-quoted) excellent military-strategic question, answer to which, in general terms is easy:
USA is headed for horrific ECONOMIC catastrophe–NOT mere “disaster.” For we’re ALREADY in for tremendous INFLATION in matter of months (actually we’re already sustaining a steady, but low-level inflation as we speak), headed for HYPER-inflation of Weimar Germany sort, early to mid-20s of previous cent., which paved way for unc’ Adolf, bless his soul.
Note US Dollar still, amazingly, retains “reserve currency” status–this will not continue–and when Dollar finally, definitive fails, then we’ll literally be in absolute third-world status/conditions. Practially all our industrial manufacturing has been exported–”out-sourced.” Note USA has been DELIBERATELY destroyed and subverted–literally, these are not metaphors.
So u see therefore, we’re headed for a proverbial “SHOW-DOWN” at the O.K. Corral w. Jews and their suck-alongs (who are actually quite few, all things considered).
One good thing is when US Dollar fails Jews will lose their vice-like grip over the corrupt politicians and law-enforcement, esp. in local areas. Christian patriots will thrive, our forces AUGMENTED, though in greatly reduced economic circumstances. People will be starving, hustling just to feed themselves, don’t doubt.
Hence ZOG-Mammon MUST strive to remove our communications, like the mighty INTERNET, which has proved so much their un-doing. Latest Az. immigration law has been CRUSHING BLOW for them (ZOG)–they are un-questionably reeling in retreat and dismay, their calculations shown to be miserably mis-guided for attempted de-moralization of our good volk. 70% support Az.-type law; “amnesty” advocates are literally laughing-stock.
So for us, Christian volk and patriots, ironically, things are looking up, politically. Still we must continue to CONSOLIDATE internal forces, and that means we must deal with EXTREME PREJUDICE with those vile hereticalists, the “Judeo-Christian” (JC) hereticalists who are PRIMARY “enablers” and chief allies of Jew masterminds and cadre.
Other notable enemies-of-the-people are such as the secular-type moralist-Pharisaists who preach Pelagianist “good-evil” fallacy/delusion, for example, the Kantians who are soooooooo strong within public education and “academia”–but these are minor compared to JCs. JCs are really the primary enemies, along w. Jews.
CONCLUSION: So u can see–as long as we retain free Internet we’re going to win, as we’ve been doing (though it may be difficult to see). And note great IRONY is when US Dollar fails, though it will be great economic catastrophe, as I observe, it will actually REDUCE the power of Jews for their hold in corruption over local officials and “law-enforcement.” Economic catastrophe will be great opportunity for “states-rights” general movement and ideal, truly. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
FOR LOBRO: On Anti-Semitism in general and Apollonian in particular.
lobro @ May 5, 2010 at 9:04 PM
“I also find this guy Apollonian quite offensive and obnoxious.”
Personally, I find Apollonian quite entertaining, even though he tries very hard to be offensive and obnoxious. He is obviously an educated person, as one can see from his grammatically correct English and his frequent references to Spengler, Marx and Hegelian dialectics. It’s for this reason I’ve been pretty supportive of Apo and argued that he should be allowed to continue posting on this site — even though Serenus Zeitblom, Harumphty Dumpty, Kurt and many others here have been clamoring for his eviction.
Imagine my surprise when he began to attack ME too! And why? Because I mentioned I had a Jewish friend and that it was my personal belief that not all Jews were beyond redemption.
I refuse to subscribe to the fanatical and hate-crazed statement: “ALL JEWS ARE EVIL AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO EXTERMINATE THEM ALL.”
Apollonian has frequently stated that there can be “no good psychopaths” — and consequently that there can be no good Jews, implying that all Jews are psychopaths.
Anyone who speak like this — as our mutual friend Rowan Berkeley observed more than once — is beyond the pale.
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An email correspondent of mine called “Red Avenger” took me to task for my defence of the good Jews I had known and befriended. He sounds just like Apollonian. This snippet of dialogue is copied and pasted verbatim from my article “Spitting Mad Jews and Angry Artists” (Part 2):
RED AVENGER: fuck the Jews. may they burn in hell forever. if I could build a hundred new auschwitzes and put all fifteen million of these vermin in it, i’d do it right now. good one darkmoon, keep it up…
DARKMOON: I am saddened by your comment. I sincerely hope my essay has not contributed to your sickness. There are many good Jews and I’d ask you to remember this. Your anti-Semitism is getting out of hand when you’ve reached the stage of thinking that all Jews are evil and wishing they’d all died in Hitler’s death camps. I’m afraid this puts you beyond the pale. I’ve recently made friends with a Jewish painter — a truly remarkable woman, generous and caring — and I’d hate to see her come to any harm for no other reason than that she happens to be Jewish. The only hope for mankind, in my opinion, is the mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity. A collective exorcism is what they need. Building new Auschwitzes will not solve the problem.
RED AVENGER: well then, fuck off you sad Jew lover…
My sister Lucy Skipping (known to you as “Lalara”) suspects Apollonian is a Zionist agent. Or a Zionist troll. His one object, she thinks, is to discredit anti-Zionism by doing his best to sound like a psychopathic Jew hater — the type dear to the heart of Abe Foxman et al who can then quote him to prove to the world what raving lunatics these anti-Semites really are.
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I don’t agree with my sister Lucy. I keep an open mind about Appollonian. What I will say is, we have to be on our guard against all those who give anti-Zionism a bad name by associating it with the wildest and most extreme forms of anti-Semitism.
I’ll give you an example.
On another site recently a poster (“J”), purporting to be a Palestinian, gave vent to such extreme expressions of anti-Semitism, that he was disowned at once by the other Palestinians posting on the site. They suspected he was a Jew. And that he was trying to discredit the Palestinian cause by his bloodthirsty calls for the MASS EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS.
This is what he said. Not his exact words — I quote from memory:
“I was very sad to learn recently that the Holocaust had NEVER taken place. That 6 million Jews had actually NOT died. So disappointing! I wish Hitler had succeeded and wiped them ALL out — every single one of them!”
No Palestinian on that site would have anything to do with “J” after that. They all said he was a Zionist Jew, planted on the site deliberately to undermine the Palestinian cause and bring the site into disrepute.
Whether Apo is one of these Zionist agents, perhaps paid to post on various sites, would seem to be a debatable point. My sister Lucy thinks he is. I don’t think so myself. He sounds sincere. And so I give him the benefit of the doubt.
I simply caution Apo to watch his language lest he bring shame and discredit on the very cause he professes to be in favor of.
the latest edition of talmud says that the inventor of internet is also to be boiled in a vat of kosher excrement.
which shows that for all their supposed “wisdom” the learned elders of zion can only lay linear plans – their undoing.
the u$ is “reserve” only because the jew central banking network decrees it so, o/w would have gone the zimbabwe way back in 70s.
everyone is terrified that the scaffolding supporting the grand illusion is about to collapse into its footprint, but the sooner it happens, the sooner the transactions among men will be based on honor again, rather than hasbara (which kind of sounds like apo’s signoff).
Lobro,
I have posted you a long comment above which you may have missed. This is because, due to a computer anomaly, my comments are not appearing as soon as they are posted. Sorry about this.
Xanadu
[Apollonian commentary in below-copied text, capped, bracketed. A.]
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Xanadu says:
May 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM
“FOR LOBRO: On Anti-Semitism in general and Apollonian in particular.
“lobro @ May 5, 2010 at 9:04 PM
““I also find this guy Apollonian quite offensive and obnoxious.”
“Personally, I find Apollonian quite entertaining, [HOW "MIGHTY WHITE" OF PATRONIZING JEW, "LASHA."]
“…even though he tries very hard to be offensive and obnoxious. [FALSE, NOTE I'M EMPHATIC, AND HENCE I EMPHASIZE CONTEMPT FOR IDEAS THAT ARE EXPRESSED.]
“He is obviously an educated person, as one can see from his grammatically correct English and his frequent references to Spengler, Marx and Hegelian dialectics. It’s for this reason I’ve been pretty supportive of Apo and argued that he should be allowed [AGAIN, HOW "MIGHTY WHITE" OF THIS PATRONIZING JEW.]
“…to continue posting on this site — even though Serenus Zeitblom, Harumphty Dumpty, Kurt and many others here have been clamoring for his eviction.
“Imagine my surprise when he began to attack ME too! [ACTUALLY NOTE I SIMPLY CRITICISE UR ACTIVITIES, NOTIONS, AND ATTITUDES, ETC.--AS ANYONE CAN LOOK AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES FOR THIS AMAZING, OUTSTANDING DIALECTIC, THIS BLOG.]
“And why? [BECAUSE U'RE A DECEPTIVE, CONDESCENDING JEW WHO ACTS AND SPEAKS LIKE A JEW, THOUGH, OF COURSE, U TRY (AND LARGELY SUCCEED, I GUESS) TO BEING CHARMING AND SEDUCTIVE FOR THE FANS OF THIS BLOG.]
“Because [OF UR MANY DECEPTIONS, EVASIONS, AND JEWWY-TYPE IGNORING OF PT.S MADE AND FACTS INVOKED.]
“…I mentioned I had a Jewish friend and that it was my personal belief that not all Jews were beyond redemption. [HERE'S GOOD EXAMPLE: U DELIBERATELY AND POINTEDLY IGNORE (LIKE TYPICAL JEW, I'LL ADD) SIMPLE FACT JEWS ARE TALMUDISTS. AND U FAIL TO NOTE PSYCHOPATHIC NATURE OF TALMUD. HENCE LOGICALLY, NO DECENT HUMAN WOULD CALL HIMSELF JEW. U FURTHER IGNORE THE STATE OF WAR WE'RE IN W. THESE SCUMMY, FILTHY JEWS, ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST "ZIONISTS," HOW IN WAR JEWS MUST THEREFORE AND THEREUPON BE TREATED. U FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE HOW JEWS ROUTINELY TREAT GENTILES--NOT JUST ZIONISTS. EVERYTHING ABOUT U FAVORS JEWS, ARGUES FOR, DEFENDS, AND EXCUSES JEWS--HENCE BY THE NECESSARY LOGIC, U'RE JEW, AND U DESERVE FATE OF JEW IN ALL REASON AND JUSTICE.]
“I refuse to subscribe to the fanatical and hate-crazed [AGAIN, U'RE LIAR, JUST LIKE A JEW--IT ISN'T PRIMARILY "HATE-CRAZED," BUT RATHER PRODUCT OF SIMPLE REASON AND JUSTICE. "HATE" THEN IS PERFECTLY JUSTIFIED. SO HERE AGAIN, WE SEE U LYING IN FAVOR OF JEWS, SPEAKING FOR AND DEFENDING JEWS--U'RE A JEW, BY ALL THE INDUCTIVE EVIDENCE.]
“…statement: “ALL JEWS ARE EVIL AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO EXTERMINATE THEM ALL.” [AGAIN U LIE LIKE TYPICAL JEW--I DON'T AND NEVER USE WORD, "EVIL," RATHER SIMPLY PT-ING OUT JEWS ARE ENEMIES, ACT LIKE ENEMIES, HENCE THEN SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.]
“Apollonian has frequently stated that there can be “no good psychopaths” — and consequently that there can be no good Jews, implying that all Jews are psychopaths. [JEWS ARE TALMUDIST BY DEFINITION; TALMUD IS PSYCHOPATHIC WAR-STRATEGY AGAINST GENTILES, HENCE JEWS ARE PSYCHOPATHS--PERFECTLY LOGICAL PROGRESSION.]
“Anyone who speak like this — as our mutual friend Rowan Berkeley observed more than once — is beyond the pale. [ANOTHER LIE, BY ANOTHER JEW--"LASHA" IS SIMPLY A JEW AND A LIAR, ARGUING AND LYING IN FAVOR OF HER JEW PEOPLE--SHE'S THUS SIMPLY A SUBVERSIVE AGENT UPON THIS BLOG MEANT FOR INTERESTS OF WHITE FOLK (HENCE NON-JEW, BY DEFINITION).]
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“An email correspondent of mine called “Red Avenger” took me to task for my defence of the good Jews [A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, AS I PT. OUT, BUT JEWS ARE LIARS, LIKE "LASHA," WHO ROUTINELY INVENT THEIR OWN REALITY, ENTAILING "GOOD JEWS."
"...I had known and befriended. He sounds just like Apollonian. This snippet of dialogue is copied and pasted verbatim from my article “Spitting Mad Jews and Angry Artists” (Part 2):
"RED AVENGER: fuck the Jews. may they burn in hell forever. if I could build a hundred new auschwitzes and put all fifteen million of these vermin in it, i’d do it right now. good one darkmoon, keep it up…
"DARKMOON: I am saddened by your comment. [YES, SPOKEN LIKE TRUE JEW, VERILY, THIS "DARKMOON."]
“I sincerely hope my essay has not contributed to your sickness. [TYPICAL JEW LIAR, "DARKMOON," PREJUDICIALLY ASSERTS HEALTHY ANTI-SEMITISM IS "SICKNESS," A TYPICAL INVERSION BY JEW LIARS.]
“There are many good Jews [A LIE, BY A JEW LIAR.]
“…and I’d ask you to remember this. Your anti-Semitism is getting out of hand when you’ve reached the stage of thinking that all Jews are evil and wishing they’d all died in Hitler’s death camps. [NOTE THE SICK JEW MIND WITH ALL THE LIES ENCASED WITHIN LIES, FOR (A) ANTI-SEMITISM IS SIMPLY HEALTHY HUMANITY AND OBEDIENCE TO GOD. (B) JEWS ARE PSYCHOPATHS BY ESSENTIAL TALMUDIC NATURE, AS I NOTED AND ANALYZED; "EVIL" IS BESIDE THE PT. (C) AND THERE WERE NO "DEATH CAMPS" ANYMORE THAN ANY CAMP WHERE PEOPLE DIE ARE THEN CALLED "DEATH CAMPS."]
“I’m afraid this puts you beyond the pale. ["LASHA," U'RE THE ONE WHO'S "BEYOND THE PALE," COMRADE--GET HIP. U'RE A JEW WHO ARGUES FOR JEWS--SO U REALLY HAVE NO BUSINESS POSTING ON TOO WEBSITE, PRETENDING TO SYMPATHIZE.]
“I’ve recently made friends with a Jewish painter — a truly remarkable woman, generous and caring — and I’d hate to see her come to any harm for no other reason than that she happens to be Jewish. [IN OTHER WORDS, JUST BECAUSE SHE'S TALMUDIC PSYCHOPATH AND WHO SYMPATHIZES THERETO--SORRY, "LASHA," THE JEW, BUT U MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CHOICES U MAKE IN LIFE--AND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR BEING JEW--A TALMUDIST--AN ANTI-HUMAN PSYCHOPATH--THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.]
“The only hope for mankind, in my opinion, is the mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity. [YES, BUT THEY'VE MADE THEIR CHOICE, NOW THEY MUST ACCEPT CONSEQUENCES.]
“A collective exorcism is what they need. Building new Auschwitzes will not solve the problem. [OH YES IT WOULD--BUT OF COURSE, U'RE JUST TRYING TO SAVE JEW PSYCHOPATHS SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO PREY UPON HUMANITY.]
“RED AVENGER: well then, fuck off you sad Jew lover… ["LASHA," "RED" IS SIMPLY BEING HONEST AND FAIR WITH U, WHICH U FIND SO STRANGE, BUT THAT'S JUST UR PROBLEM--U NEED TO "SMARTEN UP" AS U SUGGESTED TO ME.]
“My sister Lucy Skipping (known to you as “Lalara”) [PROBABLY JUST ONE OF UR PSYCHOTIC MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES.]
“…suspects Apollonian is a Zionist agent. [BUT THIS MAKES NO REAL SENSE AS ANTI-SEMITE AS I AM, LOGICALLY THIS WOULD ENTAIL ANTI-ZIONIST TOO. BUT U JEWS ARE SUCH INCREDIBLE LIARS, EVEN UNTO URSELVES, U FAIL TO REGISTER SUCH OBVIOUS AND SIMPLE LOGIC--BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UR PROBLEM.]
“Or a Zionist troll. His one object, she thinks, is to discredit anti-Zionism by doing his best to sound like a psychopathic Jew hater [A JEW HATER IS SIMPLY RATIONAL HUMAN BEING.]
“…— the type dear to the heart of Abe Foxman [AGAIN, TYPICAL PRESUMPTUOUS, PATRONIZING JEW IMAGINES SHE KNOWS WHAT'S "DEAR TO HEART" OF KIKE LIKE FOXMAN.]
“…et al who can then quote him to prove to the world what raving lunatics these anti-Semites really are. [BUT SEE, ONLY JEW WOULD THINK THIS. ANTI-SEMITES ARE, IN FACT, HEALTHY HUMANS WHO HATE JEW PSYCHOPATHS.]
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“I don’t agree with my sister Lucy. [AGAIN, HOW "MIGHTY WHITE" AND PATRONIZING OF U, AS USUAL.]
“I keep an open mind about Appollonian. [PATRONIZING AND "MIGHTY WHITE," AS USUAL.]
“What I will say is, we have to be on our guard against all those who give anti-Zionism a bad name by associating it with the wildest and most extreme forms of anti-Semitism. [YES, SAID LIKE TYPICAL LYING JEW, LIKE U ARE "LASHA," JUST PLAYING THE "GOOD JEW" PRETENDING TO OPPOSE "BAD" JEWS, ZIONISTS--THIS IS ALL JUST GAME IN UR OWN HEAD.]
“I’ll give you an example.
“On another site recently a poster (”J”), purporting to be a Palestinian, gave vent to such extreme expressions of anti-Semitism, that he was disowned at once by the other Palestinians [BUT PALESTINIANS ARE HORRIBLY TERRORIZED BY JEWS IN ISRAEL WHO HOLD PALESTINIAN RELATIVES HOSTAGE. "LASHA" THE JEW DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THIS OBVIOUS FACT OF REALITY.]
“…posting on the site. They suspected he was a Jew. [WELL, U DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY "SUSPECTED," THIS BEING MERELY UR OWN EXTRAPOLATION FM THEIR TEXT, OBVIOUSLY.]
“And that he was trying to discredit the Palestinian cause [MORE PRESUMPTUOUS, BRAINLESS EXTRAPOLATIONS AND LIES BY "LASHA," THE JEW.]
“…by his bloodthirsty calls for the MASS EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS. [HE'S ONLY BEING HONEST AND LOGICAL FOR NECESSARY STRATEGY.]
“This is what he said. Not his exact words — I quote from memory:
““I was very sad to learn recently that the Holocaust had NEVER taken place. [IT'S HOLOHOAX--JUST ANOTHER JEW LIE--SEE Codoh.com, Ihr.org, and ZundelSite.org FOR EXPO/REF. ON HOLOHOAX.]
“That 6 million Jews had actually NOT died. So disappointing! I wish Hitler had succeeded and wiped them ALL out — every single one of them!”
“No Palestinian on that site would have anything to do with “J” after that. ["LASHA," THE DUMB, PRESUMPTUOUS JEW FORGETS ISRAELI MOSSAD, ET AL., HOLD PALESTINIAN RELATIVES HOSTAGE.]
“They all said he was a Zionist Jew, planted on the site deliberately to undermine the Palestinian cause and bring the site into disrepute. [WELL, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CAUSE FOR PALESTINIANS TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR RELATIVES, AS I NOTE--"LASHA," THE DUMB, PRESUMPTUOUS, CONDESCENDING JEW FAILS TO NOTE SIMPLE FACTS AND CONDITIONS OF REALITY.]
“Whether Apo is one of these Zionist agents, [LISTEN TO THIS DEMENTED JEW LIAR GOING ON WITH HER IDIOTIC "THEORIES."]
“…perhaps paid to post on various sites, would seem to be a debatable point. [OBSERVE NOW "LASHA" THE PRESUMPTUOUS, CONDESCENDING JEW IS ATTEMPTING TO CAST DOUBT UPON APOLLONIAN, WHEN "LASHA" IS THE OBVIOUS JEW, THE OBVIOUS "MOLE" TO THIS SITE.]
“My sister Lucy thinks he is. I don’t think so myself. He sounds sincere. And so I give him the benefit of the doubt. ["LASHA," U'RE JUST A DUMB, PRESUMPTUOUS, PSYCHOTIC, LYING JEW PLAYING MIND-GAMES WITH URSELF.]
“I simply caution Apo ["LASHA," U'RE JUST A PSYCHOTIC JEW URSELF, DUMB, THOUGH U THINK U'RE SMART, CONDESCENDING AND PRESUMPTUOUS.]
“to watch his language [I SPEAK THE TRUTH AS HONEST CHRISTIAN, AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE DOING SO, COMRADE.]
“…lest he bring shame and discredit on the very cause he professes to be in favor of.” [RIGHT, DUMB, PRESUMPTUOUS, CONDESCENDING JEW LIAR--U'RE ONLY FOOLING URSELF, DON'T DOUBT.]
As a defender of the jews’ “Hitler’s Death Camps!!!” myth, you’ll go far in furthering their cause.
Do you also defend their first attempt at flying the 6 million myth during and after their First World War? Don’t know about that one? Do the research. Read the articles and adverts reproduced from American newspapers from 1917, 1919, 1920, etc. They are all available online. They all whinge and whine about 6 million jews being murdered by those nasty Germans. Of course, their myth never got off the ground back in the 1920′s as it didn’t have the might of the jews’ Hollywood/Television fantasy factory to drill it into the heads of the telezombies of the later 20th century.
And whatever you do, don’t read the transcripts of the ludicrous Nuremberg kangaroo court Commie jew show trials, now available online. The lying jew testimony at that farce is a laugh a minute, (brain bashing machines, electric floors, blah blah, etc etc) or it would be until you reflect that men who were defending their country from another jew inspired slaughter (as they had done to Russia following the Commie jew coup in 1917), were murdered on the strength of the lies told there. Don’t know about that either? Do the research.
You would be supportive of the Western jew occupied “democratic” (pardon me while I puke) governments imprisoning people for years and years for the “crime” of questioning the new jew state religion of holocaustianity? Heard of Ernst Zundel? Sylvia Stolz? etc? No? Do the research.
Maybe you will begin to wonder why, if the holey holoco$t is such a rock solid certainty, jew occupied Western governments need to silence people who ask inconvenient questions about it by imprisoning them for years, and in the case of Sylvia Stolz – the lawyers who try to stand up in courts of “law” and defend these people are imprisoned too.
I could go on, as I have taken the time to research (on the as yet uncensored internet) the jew-suppressed information about their two world wars (and other crimes against humanity), while I would say that any defender of their holey holoco$t has obviously not.
You’ve merely relied on the “information” supplied to you through the 100 percent jew owned and controlled media/publishing/Hollywood/TV Big Lie industry.
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that’s all fine + well, but the fact remains that not only is apollonian quite correct in his main arguments but also perceives the eventual downfall of the talmudist power configuration (to borrow petras’ term, replacing “zionist” with “talmudist”, since i view talmud as a more fundamental evil, well worthy of utter destruction – do unto talmud as talmud does unto you).
i haven’t followed ap’s posts prior to these couple of threads but nowhere that i know did he advocate their wholesale murder or any sort of violence against them, as a zionist agitator might have.
he simply dislikes them and no law, whether legal, physical or psychological can dictate that one must like jews or any other group for that matter.
thus, your injunction to try falling in love with a jew is a physical impossibility, certainly not something that i would waste my time with.
this guy writes too cogently to be a troll, so tell lalara not to worry too much about him.
i am less involved with all these sites like xymphora or niqnaq, since all they do is enumerate jewish crimes and i don’t need further conviction that they are at war with nonjews, always have been and are quite unlikely to change their ways, due to their deceitful, bestial, inhumane, immoral, manipulative design.
i am more interested in solutions, be they affirmation and strengthening of european culture, traditions, philosophy, religion and myhos and/or separation, shunning and embargo of all things jewish, and how to organize this nonviolent resistance.
as long as there is no law and its enforcement requiring me to like jews, to rub shoulders with them, to submit to the filth of talmud, there is no reason why this resistance must be violent.
Historysbunkbunkbunk @ May 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM
I have made no statement whatever on the Holocaust on this site — either affirming it or denying it — so whatever views you ascribe to me on this subject emerge from the fertile depths of your own imagination.
All I have done is refer to AUSCHWITZ. I stated we do not want more Auschwitzes. If you are suggesting there is something bizarre about this statement, I suggest that you yourself must be a pretty bizarre person! Nothing wrong with being a bizarre person of course. If it gets you through life being bizarre, that’s your privilege.
In referring to “death camps”, I used a phrase that is to be found in the Oxford English Dictionary and in most other good dictionaries.
Auschwitz was one such “death camp”, i.e., a concentration camp in which death occurred. Even so-called “Holocaust deniers” like David Irving and Zundel would not deny that death had occurred at Auschwitz.
So what exactly is your problem, Monsieur Bizarro?
[JEWS ARE TALMUDIST BY DEFINITION; TALMUD IS PSYCHOPATHIC WAR-STRATEGY AGAINST GENTILES, HENCE JEWS ARE PSYCHOPATHS--PERFECTLY LOGICAL PROGRESSION.]
jews have never provided a coherent definition of themselves, in absence of which the one above is the one i also subscribe to.
(btw, i doubt very much that either lasha or her sister are jews – they are women, and woman’s mind is a strange place for which i never obtained a roadmap and likely never will.
in fact, jew’s psychology, his wiles and emotional appeal are quite feminine constructs and it can get confusing, i admit)
Apollonian,
That you should attack me, your sole supporter on this site, tells me you must be crazy.
If you attack your friends, what will you do to your enemies?
I shudder to think. :)
Apollonian,
I don’t agree with your absurd views, but I support your right to express them on this website.
That is not condescension. It’s just kindness.
The idea that dealing with a known (ney, declared!) enemy – an insanely vicious one at that – in a violent manner is somehow unthinkable or “beyond the pale” is pure Jew propaganda! Again, we see the application of reverse psychology as a weapon of psychological warfare. The known Zionist shill, Alex Jones, uses that same technique at his websites everyday.
Yeah, I’m sure the criminal Jews would love for us to be very passive and use non-violent means to try to unseat them! They definitely don’t want us kicking down their doors, snatching them up by their throats, and hauling them – kicking and screaming – to face a very long list of charges before an Aryan-only tribunal!
The Occidental Observer is every bit a Jew-front as Alex Jones’ infowarz is…just more highbrow. Indeed, most of the so-called White Nationalist websites are nothing but Jew PsyOp sites…Stormfront and INCOGMAN are two of the more obvious ones.
POLYGRAPH EXAMS FOR EVERYONE!! We’ll get to the bottom of this garbage dump one way, or another. And there will be dire consequences for working as an agent of the Jews.
On the matter of “good Jews”…I expect them to be working 10x harder than anyone else to expose the Criminal Jew Network! They’ll need to start naming names and gathering credible evidence that we can use to destroy the CJN. They should also expect to sit for a polygraph exam…this is war and no one gets a free pass, including you, Lasha. You can understand that, right?
apollonian says May 6, 2010 at 7:16 AM:
“…when US Dollar fails, though it will be great economic catastrophe, as I observe, it will actually REDUCE the power of Jews for their hold in corruption…”
Interesting. And failure of U.S. dollar would spell the end of Israel also?
little guy:
Are you saying Kevin MacDonald (owner of this blog) and Don Black (owner of Stormfront) are conscious Jewish agents?
If you’re saying that, then your perceptive powers are zero when it comes to human individuals.
Lasha, your defensiveness has driven you into absurdity with this statement (which I shouldn’t even mention, because I’m sure you’re sitting there biting your nails and wishing you could take it back):
“Auschwitz was one such “death camp”, i.e., a concentration camp in which death occurred. Even so-called “Holocaust deniers” like David Irving and Zundel would not deny that death had occurred at Auschwitz.”
I posted:
“And failure of U.S. dollar would spell the end of Israel also?”
I’d really, really like that. I loved it when some French official referred to Israel as “that sh*tty little country.”
As I believe Lasha wrote, the strength Israel exerts in our country is a problem that Germany before WWII didn’t have.
In case any readers wander here who don’t believe Israel wags the U.S. dog, listen to Sec. of State George Schultz, President Jimmy Carter, Senator William Fulbright, and U.N. Arms Inspector Scott Ritter (I use this post in the MSM):
“We fought the supplement and fought it hard. President Reagan and I weighed in personally making numerous calls to Senators and Congressman. The supplement sailed right by us and was approved by Congress as though President Reagan and I had not even been there. I was astonished and disheartened. This brought home for me vividly Israel’s leverage in our Congress.”
(Former Sec. of State George Schultz on page 112 of his memoirs “Turmoil and Triumph.” Scroll down about 1/4 of the page at the following link):
http://tinyurl.com/ydenfl5
How is that leverage maintained? The Israel lobby has the organization and the money to defeat in the next election any Senator or Representative who opposes their aims (See former Illinois congressman Paul Findley’s book,”They Dare to Speak Out”).
Jimmy Carter affirms the point:
“…AIPAC. It’s the most effective lobby that I have ever seen,..if anyone wants to be elected or re-elected to Congress it would be inconceivable that they would say, ‘If I’m elected I’m going to take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians,’…It would be political suicide.”
http://tinyurl.com/26xxks8
One Senator defeated by this lobby was Senator William Fulbright of Arkansas:
“…Fulbright responded: ‘…the Israelis control the policy in the Congress and the Senate…Somewhere around 80 percent of the Senate of the United States is competely in support of Israel and of anything Israel wants.’”
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0495/9504050.htm
Scott Ritter, former U.N. arms inspector says:
“The other thing we’re not allowed to do is discuss the notion that Israel, and the notion of Israeli interests, may in fact be dictating what America is doing, that what we’re doing in the middle east may not be to the benefit of America’s national security but to Israel’s national security.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O125hGt9qt4&NR=1
Quote from your comment – “Hitler’s Death Camps”
How did those internment camps for enemy aliens become death camps?
Due to the Allied carpet bombing of German cities, towns and infrastructure in the closing stages of the war, which cut supply lines for all of Germany and led to the outbreak of typhus epidemics in the internment camps and starvation. No food getting through to them or medical supplies.
It was not Hitler who ordered the carpet bombing of Germany’s civilian population when the war was coming to a close. No, that war crime was carried out on the orders of the American and British jew-controlled administrations.
So you see, not “Hitler’s Death Camps” at all. But of course, that terminology does continue to promote the “German planned extermination of jews” myth, in the minds of those who read it.
As you may be aware, that’s the myth which prohibits any criticism of jews, even today, as they burn Palestinian children to death with white phosphorous bombs in illegitimate Apartheid Israel.
Hitler could only have created “death camps” from the enemy alien internment camps in the US, had he won the war as the Allies had and then ordered the carpet bombing of America, as the Allies did to the German civilian population.
The only “death camps” in German occupied Europe were turned that way due to the Allies war crimes.
Do the research – before the jews lock up the internet so you cannot.
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By the way, are you a supporter of the jews’ planned extermination of the Palestinian people?
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If anyone can locate the very short Ralph Nader video that was up on youtube until recent months, in which Nader talks about Israel’s “puppetmasters” pulling the strings of their puppets in the U.S. Congress, then walking down Pennsylvania Ave. to the White House to pull the strings of their puppet there, I’d really like to be able to link that again when I post in the MSM.
every us dollar, printed or electronically created is an acknowledgment of debt.
practically all the creditors are jews and all the debtors are gentiles, and this is a global, not just us phenomenon.
so what happens when this dollar is shown to have absolutely no value?
i owe to jew trillions of zeros, which still add up to a zero.
ergo, end of jew, jhvh, the bloodsucking parasite lost its proboscis (nose job anyone?)
how is the jew going to corrupt spineless degenerates among the gentiles, the entire pool of his strength? (oh, we’ll pay you in priceless art defiling christian symbols and sarah silverman’s jokes)
save rocket science for later …
“1/7 Syndrome of Control”You Tube.
The whole story of how the art of the deal is worked.Inferior art and
corruption is the problem.If one has the answers to how the deal works,
but persist with old line of talk and does nothing who is at fault.Anyone in
their right mind who goes to You Tube and sees “1/7 Syndrome of Control”
and does not comprehend the art of the deal is a very very very bad
art dealer.Why not circulate this art to everyone,so the art can be changed
to something more untainted.Of course corrupt is corrupt does.
“1/7 Syndrome of Control ” You Tube-Basic Economics 101= System 2000.
Leo Zagami in the 2012 Armageddon,at You Tube.Leo Zagami is a
work of art.He his getting out of the net and flying like an angel!
More art.Truth about middle east and israel-Jordon Maxwell You Tube
Jordon Maxwell-You are property of the Rothschild family.You Tube
Art and symbols as you like it.
Walter E. Haas Search God Bless America
1/7 Syndrome of Control”You Tube.
Keep removing my comments.Fear of truth exposed.You people are pathetic
Walter E. Haas Search Yahoo.com
While you are doing your research online free of jew lies, jew censorship and jew propaganda, have a look into the acts of war, ordered by Roosevelt, against Japan in the months leading up to Japan’s retaliation at Pearl Harbor.
I know the jew media and their Hollywood/TV fantasy factory told you it was a surprise attack and totally unwarranted against good old innocent America, but as always that’s just more of the jew Big Lie technique, which they use against us day in and day out – and why not? We gullible White rubes swallow it hook, line and sinker every time, especially if it comes out of a jew television/movie screen.
Stop me if you’ve heard this before – Do the research.
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Harumpty:
The Nader ‘Israeli Puppeteer’ youtube video has been taken down again, as far as I can tell, citing ‘copyright violation’.
Luckily for you, I made a copy of it, and would be more than happy to send it to you by e-mail, if you wish.
Kindest Regards,
Matthias
P.S. Click on my name to check out the Jewish Tribal Review and When Victims Rule – a Tribe-researching scholar’s wet dream.
Historysbunkbunkbunk says:
May 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Quote from your comment – “Hitler’s Death Camps”
“How did those internment camps for enemy aliens become death camps?
Due to the Allied carpet bombing of German cities, towns and infrastructure in the closing stages of the war, which cut supply lines for all of Germany and led to the outbreak of typhus epidemics in the internment camps and starvation. No food getting through to them or medical supplies.”
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I accept the point you are making and apologize for the tone of my previous email to you. I misunderstood your position. Semantic mixup here. I was using the phrase “death camp” in a loose and literal sense to indicate an internment camp in which death had simply “occurred”.
As to HOW that death occurred, whether it was by Hitler’s command or as a resut of Allied bombing and typhus, was a matter on which I did not lay down the law in any way.
It was not so much a question of neutrality on my part as one of agnosticism, i.e., not knowing for sure what to believe.
Historysbunkbunkbunk & May 6, 2010 at 5:03 PM
“By the way, are you a supporter of the jews’ planned extermination of the Palestinian people?
Here’s your answer:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Darkmoon-Rachel.html
Harumphty_Dumpty @ May 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM
Excellent post, Harumphty.
I’ve saved it in my archives for future use.
Cheers.
I am aware of Rachel Corrie’s murder by the jewish terrorist state of Apartheid Israel. I have read the reports; I have looked at the photographs; I have cursed those jews for the terrorists and murderers of women and children that they are.
Perhaps our exchanges, viewed by a visitor to this site, may encourage that person to do their uncensored online research into many long-suppressed Truths while they are still able, and thereby begin to untangle in their mind the tightly wound knot of jew historical big lies and twisted history, which obscures the Truth from most White people, I believe.
I well remember, not that many years ago, just how sincerely deluded I was by the jews’ big lies (all of them lol), before first hearing about World Trade Center Building 7.
If our to and fro helps only one more White person do the research and wake up to the Truth, then it has been all worthwhile, in my book.
This is not an easy medium in which to have a two way and not end up in confusion and misunderstood meanings now and then, (encouraged by the jew trolls where possible, of course); however, many of the people participating at this site do a pretty good job, (jew trolls excepted) compared to some other Truth sites (White awareness sites, take your pick) I have visited. Once again, that is my opinion, and no doubt others will disagree with it – such is life.
If I wore a hat, it would be off to Professor MacDonald. Thank you.
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Are women lie Jews?
lobro & May 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM says:
“I doubt very much that either lasha or her sister are jews – they are women, and woman’s mind is a strange place… in fact, jew’s psychology, his wiles and emotional appeal, are quite feminine constructs…”
You’ve obviously been influenced by Weininger who argued that the female soul and the Jewish soul were very similar. Since he had no high opinion of women, he was naturally regarded as a misogynist. He didn’t think much of Jews either, though himself a Jewish convert to Christianity.
I remember our discussions on Weininger (vaguely) on the xymphora website. You had much to say on the subject. I forget exactly what.
My own view, for what it is worth, is that Weininger should not be taken too seriously for two reasons: (1) He was too young to have evolved any profound ideas, having died in his early twenties. (2) He is full of fancy theorizing, but there is very little factual basis to anything he says.
His views on women, moreover, have no basis in reality — particularly when applied to someone like myself or the women I know. According to Weininger, I, as a woman, am without true individuality (soul), have no sense of good and evil, and am profoundly irreligious.
Apply this to someone like Mother Teresa and you see the absurdity.
He also propounded the bizarre view that only masculinized women, i.e., butch lesbians, should be allowed to vote!
There are certain things Weininger said, however, that strike a chord with me: above all, that both women and Jews, in combination, are responsible for the decay in moral standards we see around us today. By “women” I don’t mean individual women but the feminist movement. And by “Jews”, I don’t mean individual Jews but organized Jewry.
Weininger, you’ll be interested to hear, called Judaism “the extreme of cowardliness.”
He shot himself through the heart at the age of 23.
my last 2 posts never appeared for whatever reasons … anyway, i don’t know weininger nor greatly care to read him, so the question of influence is moot.
and your arguments fall beside the mark, since that is not at all what i meant to say.
at no time did i propound the theory that women are a corrupting influence, only that they operate in a different psychic environment which might explain some of your exhortations and views (marry a jew, auschwitz as a killing camp, etc.).
i merely noticed the similarity with jewish modus operandi to reroute discussion away from facts and towards drama, where their skill in deceit gives them the high ground.
likewise, in arguments with men, i note that women always strive to insert this element of melodrama as well, thus drawing the opponent on unfamiliar terrain.
end of story.
(let’s see whether the powers that be approve this post)
There’s a thread worthy of another 400 comments – “…both women and Jews, in combination, are responsible for the decay in moral standards we see around us today.”
At one time I would have subscribed to that theory.
Today, I’m inclined to lay responsibility at the feet of White males for allowing it. If we White males continue to point the finger exclusively at others I believe we are choosing to adopt the mantle of “victimhood” (now who does that remind you of?) and thereby opt to remain powerless, neutered wimps, cringing in the corner of the room; too scared even to say boo! to a goose. My God, someone may indict us for political incorrectness. Heavens forbid!
Will White males regenerate their withered manhood? Now there, I think, is a good question.
A good place to start is tossing the jews’ feminizing television set into the nearest dumpster with the rest of the trash. I suspect that to most White males that would seem like the end of life as you know it, but strangely, unbelievably perhaps, it’s not. lol.
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lobro & May 7, 2010 at 9:41 PM
“At no time did i propound the theory that women are a corrupting influence…”
Maybe you should have; you wouldn’t have been far wrong. Feminists in general have fallen under the malign influence of organized Jewry, to the detriment of society as a whole.
“I merely noticed the similarity with jewish modus operandi to reroute discussion away from facts and towards drama, where their skill in deceit gives them the high ground. Likewise, in arguments with men, i note that women always strive to insert this element of melodrama as well, thus drawing the opponent on unfamiliar terrain.”
I’m in complete agreement with you here. Its not so much that women and Jews have a similar psychology, but that many Jews have an exceptionally strong anima or female component in their natures. But so do all male artistic types for that matter, the anima being their fount of creativity.
Other negative qualities that beset both Jews and the female sex, and which will therefore be found highly developed in many Jewesses, are narcissism and exhibitionism. A prime example is Annie Sprinkle, narcissist and sexual exhibitionist par excellence — who also, incidentally, happens to be a lesbian feminist.
I’m against feminism precisely for this reason: these women have allowed themselves to be conned by organized Jewry into a destructive program that not only cuts the ground away from under their own feet, but also inflicts severe damage on the male sex.
Ever heard of SCUM, the Society for Cutting Up Men?
First they cut up men. Then they get cut up themselves. Tragic.
I can only quote Tennyson with approval:
“Man for the field and woman for the hearth:
Man for the sword and for the needle she:
Man with the head and woman with the heart:
Man to command and woman to obey:
All else confusion.”
Obedience to male dictates can obviously be a bit galling, but think of the compensations.
Instead of wielding a nasty sword and getting cut to pieces, all one need do is ply a nifty needle and play safe. Instead of toiling in the fields, one can loaf around at home by the hearth, reading Harlequin Romances all day. What bliss! :)
Historysbunkbunkbunk & May 7, 2010 at 11:19 PM
“A good place to start is tossing the jews’ feminizing television set into the nearest dumpster with the rest of the trash.”
TV, like Hollywood movies, tries to appeal to the “average” viewer with an IQ of 100. Several million Americans have an IQ of under 90. In attempting to appeal — and indoctrinate — this vast lumpenproletariat, TV gets increasingly dumbed down and stupid.
The result is that higher IQ individuals like yourself can find nothing in TV to engage their interest for long.
No really smart person wants to spend his life watching chat shows and panel games and voyeuristic spectacles, all interspersed with incessant advertisements telling you how to spend your dwindling salary.
That’s one good thing about TV. It gets so bad that no intelligent person wants to watch it.
iq=100 is a moving average pegged to the current population being tested.
for example, you could take as your reference point the the worldwide set of warthogs and their mean iq would still be standardized to 100, with a normal (symmetrical) distribution curve (so that the proportion of “dumb” hogs would equal the proportion of “bright” ones).
but here i am encroaching on prof macdonald’s terrain (my terra incognita) and hurriedly beat retreat.
other than this small omission, i cannot fault your post.
matthias: that’s a good link (“criminal” in zogian parlance).
incidentally, i’ be grateful if you could mail nader’s video to (eliminate spaces, etc):
l o b r o j o h n AT y a h o o DOT c o m
i hope that you maintain a repository of eliminated material such as this, in spirit of fahrenheit 451 (btw: wouldn’t “fahrenheit 729″ be a good name for a boycott org?)
Once I made my home a TV-free environment, it immediately felt “cleaner.” I cannot explain it better than that; some psychological barrier had been broken through, perhaps. May not be the experience of others who have taken the giant leap of faith into the great unknown of life post-TV, however from personal experience I thoroughly recommend doing so.
I do believe television zombiedom has a deleterious effect on any man’s manliness. I doubt studies have been done on that theory, though I would appreciate knowing if there are any available.
Anyway, once one begins to wake up, the thought of choosing to sit in front of one of those things and knowingly be lied to and propagandized against one’s own race and gender, is ludicrous.
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A woman going by the name Female Misogynist has a blog on WordPress. She has written some brilliant little essays on the insanity of the rabid militant mutant feminism disease. Insightful and witty.
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no mystery there, h3b, the entire “entertainment” environment is drenched in talmud miasma, in fact, pattycaked out of it in a manner of rabbinical golem.
how could you fail to feel cleansed when walking away from it?
Precisely, lobro.
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Glad you enjoyed the Jewish Tribal Review. Make sure to check out When Victims Rule, it’s incredible. Sent you the Nader “Israeli Puppeteers” just now, hope it works for you. And yes I do try to save important material from the memory hole that has resulted in quite a large archive of mine. I can’t resist saving articles like “Jewish Museum of Tolerance Built on Muslim Cemetery” or “Sharon Aides Write Bush ‘Ariel is Man of Peace’ Speech on Flight to US”. You can’t make this stuff up…
Well it seems I just got an error message re: the email I just sent. “Message too large”. Sorry lobro we’ll have to figure something else out. It must exist on the ‘Net somewhere. ‘Til then, here is the transcript:
Ralph Nader, at microphone: “The Israeli puppeteer travels to Washington. The Israeli puppeteer meets with the puppet in the White House and then moves down Pennsylvania Avenue and meets with the puppets in Congress. And then takes back billions of taxpayer dollars…”
Kindest Regards,
Matthias
thanks matthias, we’ll get along without the video.
i will download these files to my kindle and read them at every opportunity.
just perusing the chapter titles, i am overcome with revulsion anew.
one thing i am certain of, when pondering the depth and breadth of their iniquity: these UNpeople truly are creatures of devil sown upon the suffering earth, relishing every bestiality their master can think of.
rosemary, what an inane thing you said, i cannot help spluttering into my coffee.
Better still, try falling in love with a vampire. Marrying that vampire. Having children with that vampire.
Historysbunkbunkbunk:
WTC7 and no TV, you’re my kind of guy. I’ve been TV-free for 10 years. TV is the worst calamity that ever happen to White people.
Yes, AmusedEuro, television in the hands of jews has been and continues to be a global disaster for our race.
How many White people would you say suffer from the identifiable mental illness: “If It’s On TV It’s True!”?
My estimate would be in the range of 90 percent. I’d like to be wildly off the mark on that, but I don’t think I am. If anything, it is most likely higher.
It’s dire enough that jews own/control all the rest of our “news” media, book publishing and “infotainment via Hollywood fantasy”, as well as having a death grip on our educational institutions, and owning outright the traitors-for-hire masquerading as our elected representatives, but it is television which is the most insidious cultural and racial poisoner of all . . . and don’t they know it.
How central was the made-for-television aspect of the spectacle of 9/11 to their plans for never-ending wars of aggression in the Middle East? We were told via TV on the very day it was staged that it was 19 Muslims, ergo that statement was the gospel truth.
Some even saw World Trade Center Building 7 go down all by itself late that same day as part of the TV event, however, I think WTC 7 never got a re-run, just as the actual free-fall-speed collapse sequence of WTC 1 and 2 never got a re-run either. I suppose they realized that little WTC 7 botch up might get the sheep thinking if they saw it over and over and over and they may even begin to understand what free-fall speed means, so . . . down the memory hole it all went. If it’s not on TV it’s just not reality.
I would wager serious money there are more White people in Europe aware of the WTC 7 fiasco than there are Americans who know of it.
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In the current technological age, those who control the information and entertainment media [guess who?], ipso facto, control the popular mindset. This is how White America has become a domesticated Jewish colony. The White/Anglo public – especially, will believe nearly anything, as long as its repeated constantly. The overwhelming majority of the White public is mesmerized and enthralled with the lies and distortion of the media. They love “entertainment” and tabloid “celebrities”, and are hence very culturally corrupted by the media effluence. They are silly putty in the hands of their new kosher overlords. This is part of what Ms. Darkmoon has conveyed in her essays, and why she is despondent about the hostages that our people have become.
b/c since the earliest childhood i never was an obsessive tv watcher, i likewise never developed tvicotine craving and is thus easy to see the codified lying in posture, facial expressions and gestures of newscast staff.
they know they are lying and to offset this, to whitewash any signs of guilt, they go into method acting mode, the kosher truth spraypainted like blackface, strictly choreographed head jerks, shrugs, bugeye, blinking, pouting, show of teeth, “meaningful” looks, the works, hustling “truth, made in usa, order yours today at the one time low low price of $9.99, our staff here at halperin and diamond await your call – don’t wait, call now”.
as disgusting to perceive as it is fascinating, but as result of this revulsion i find it very hard to credit them with any truth, even 10% is exceedingly generous.
Junghans, control of information in the West is at the heart of the world-wide internet censorship issue.
Australia is a current case in point, worthy of observation by any person in the West interested in the availability on the internet of long-suppressed information and facts which the self-chosen master race does not wish you to become aware of, and the free exchange of such. After all, they’ve not spent billions over the past century buying up all our sources of information to just allow the internet to come along and louse it up. No way.
The free and uncensored internet threatens their kosher scam in all Western nations, and unfortunately for them, even though they have used their ill-gotten gains to buy everything available for purchase on the internet that they did not already own, – YouTube, etc – they cannot buy total control of information on it, no matter how much counterfeit money they print, nor stock market frauds they perpetrate. That is where their wholly owned traitors-for-hire in government come in.
Here’s their method of regaining total control, and therefore total contamination, of Australia’s information:
Australia has a two-party one-hidden-jewish-dictatorship system of government, same as America, Canada, the rest of the West, which provides the sheep with the illusions of choice and “democracy”, as you would be aware.
Stage one – a few years ago the jews’ “Conservative” Australian government announced they would introduce legislation to censor the internet in Australia to stop the evil of internet pornography (just pornography). Cheers all round, as expected, of course. And so, the idea of it being a “good thing” to censor the internet had been sown in the minds of the Australian populace. Stage one complete.
Stage two – when the next group of traitors-for-hire took their place in government a couple of years ago, they immediately announced they would adopt the previous government’s policy of internet censorship (same with third world immigration, endless wars for peace, total support for the terrorist state of Apartheid Israhell, etc) — however, they would additionally be censoring “inappropriate” sites, not just pornography, but pornography blocking would now be optional (too much profit and opportunity for White cultural perversion to really block their pornography industry product), while this newly announced “inappropriate” site blocking within Australia would be mandatory nationwide.
When asked by a few citizens who were actually awake, “What inappropriate sites?” the answer was, “We can’t tell you.” When asked, “How will you determine which sites are inappropriate?” the answer was, “Oh, certain (nameless) community groups and foreign governments will inform us as to which sites should be blocked (for the common good, of course).” Stage two complete.
Now, which particular “community group” comes to mind? And do you think Apartheid Israhell may be one of the foreign governments involved in helping to identify “inappropriate” sites?
It is a rock solid certainty that every site revealing the truth about jews and their control of the West (such as this one, for example) will be blocked in Australia, which was the whole point right from the very beginning. And you can be certain there will not be much of a dent put in their internet pornography industry profits, either, which supposedly was how this all began five or so years ago – not that the two-minute TV sound bite conditioned telezombies are capable of remembering that far back.
The third and final stage will be the passing of the internet censorship legislation by the jews’ lickspittles currently in power.
Whether all Western governments do their masters bidding by using the same lie — concealing their real intention behind a good cause — when they censor off the internet in the rest of the West, information their masters have long controlled, remains to be seen.
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Historysbunkbunkbunk @ May 10, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Dear History,
I’ve been reading your fascinating comments on mind pollution via the mass media, particularly through television, and how you think the internet is now being taken over by organized Jewry.
Your insights into this subject are too valuable to be lost.
I would therefore urge you to spend some time writing an essay on this subject, providing more factual details and links, and submitting the finished product to Kevin MacDonald for consideration.
Best wishes,
Xanadu