Things keep getting more and more interesting in Arizona. Now they have penalized school districts that have ethnic studies courses: As reported by the NYTimes, “any school district that offers classes designed primarily for students of particular ethnic groups, advocate ethnic solidarity or promote resentment of a race or a class of people would risk losing 10 percent of its state financing.”
The people involved in teaching these courses deny that there is any advocacy of ethnic solidarity or racial resentment against Whites. And if you believe that, I’ve got some land I’d like to sell you.
Tom Horne, the state superintendent of public instruction, is the main man behind the law. He points to an incident in which all the Mexican students walked outon a speech by his deputy, a Republican Latina who was trying to counter another speaker who said that Republicans hate Latinos: “In the middle of her speech, a group of students that are in the Raza [!] studies program got up, put their fists in the air, turned their back to her. The principal asked them to sit down and listen, and they walked out on their own principal.” Sounds like a hostile act of ethnic solidarity.
The NYTimes article mentions that Horne objects to Pedagogy of the Oppressedby Paulo Freire, and the LATimes mentions Horne’s objection to Occupied America: A History of Chicanos, by Rodolfo Acuña, a professor and founder of the Chicano studies program at Cal State Northridge. Who would ever think that titles like that could lead to resentment against a certain (very evil) race?
Actually reading these books is well beyond my tolerance level. Friere’s book sounds like straight cultural Marxism right out of the Bill Ayers playbook. A reviewerquotes Friere: “Education as the exercise of domination stimulates the credulity of students, with the ideological intent (often not perceived by educators) of indocrinating them to adapt to the world of oppression.”
Occupied America emphasizes the evil that Whites have inflicted on Mexicans and Native Americans in the past. An Amazon review titled “Abajo con los Gringos!” (“Down with the Gringos”) states that Acuña’s book “contributes additional heft to the indictment of White settlement and expansion in this hemisphere as the cause of immense suffering by an essentially stone-age culture at the hands of a militarily superior civilization.” Another states that Acuña
pulls up countless accounts of slaughter, rape, torture, mutilation, and abuse of Mexican men, women, children, mostly incited as a sort of blood sport by American cavalry, enlisted men, volunteers, and associates, as well as the leveling of Mexican cities and towns just for target practice. To add to the war crimes, most of the Americans involved, even the command of Zachary Taylor, were never brought up on any charges, nor even in the most slightest way, reprimanded for their actions.
One has to agree with Horne and Arizona Governor Jan Brewer that this sort of thing is likely to produce hatred toward Whites. A spokesman for Brewer stated, “Governor Brewer signed the bill because she believes, and the legislation states, that public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people.” Horne says much the same.
So the ideology underlying the bill is to let bygones be bygones and get on with the project of getting along with each other. The intellectual basis is classic libertarian individualism. Horne puts it this way:
I believe that what’s important about us is what we know, what we can do, what’s our character as individuals, not what race we happen to have been born into. And the function of the public schools is to bring in kids from different backgrounds and teach them to treat each other as individuals. And the Tucson district is doing the opposite. They’re teaching them to emphasize ethnic solidarity, what I call ethnic chauvinism. And I think that’s exactly is the wrong thing to do in the public schools, and that’s why I introduced this legislation to give myself the authority to put a stop to it.
This libertarian ideology is indeed the last hope of those intent on avoiding a race war as the inevitable consequence of present trends. The idea is that the faces will look different as the US absorbs all these immigrants, but we’ll still have a consensus commitment to individualism — nothing but vestigial group loyalties. No group conflict. No retribution for what happened in the past.
But now that America has gone so far down the road of minority ethnic consciousness and has signed on to massive non-White immigration motivated by fear and loathing of the traditional White population, is it really possible to turn back and pretend we are all nothing more than individuals? One reason to think that this is very unlikely to happen is that individualism is a unique creation of Western culture. No other culture has developed individualist institutions, and there is no reason to suppose that the millions of non-Whites who are crowding our shores will do so. Certainly these programs of ethnic consciousness raising will do nothing but strengthen group loyalties and hatred and resentment and hatred of the White majority.
At TOO we have repeatedly emphasized that White Americans are crazy to voluntarily become a minority in a society where the non-White majority has historical grudges against them and continues to have a strong group consciousness. Hostility to the traditional people and culture of America is a powerful current among Jews, spanning the entire Jewish political spectrum, from leftist intellectuals like Susan Sontag (“The white race is the cancer of human history”) and Howard Zinn (whose A People’s History of the United States has been a staple of college history courses for three decades) to neoconservatives like Norman Podhoretz (see also here). It goes without saying that these attitudes are common among Blacks, and the fact that Acuña’s work is mainstream among Latino intellectuals is yet another indication, if any were needed, that it is common among Latinos too.
All the indications are that non-Whites are coalescing into a powerful political coalition centered in the Democratic Party. This coalition is formidable in large part because of the prominenc of Jews who are such an important component of American elites in the areas of personal wealth, media and political influence, and in the legal and academic worlds.
This plea for individualism is really the last gasp of hope for avoiding a racial bloodbath in the future. It is simply inconceivable that a non-White majority led by racial and ethnic activists filled with anti-White hatred of the sort that we see every day now will somehow be magically transformed into an idyllic Neverland of individualists of all races, ethnicities and religions. Unless Whites manage to develop a separatist state or manage to massively reverse the changes of the last 45 years, they will be in a physical fight for survival.
This is not to deny that Whites have been brutal towards other peoples in the past. But it is naïve to suppose that non-Whites would behave any differently if they could have. Speaking as an evolutionist, the idea that Western culture is uniquely evil is ridiculous.
But the idea that Western culture and White people are uniquely evil have been common among the intellectual activists of the left that now dominate in the academic world, beginning with the Boasian anthropologists who dominated anthropology for most of the 20th century. The Boasians created an imaginary past expunged of ethnic violence and warfare (see here, p. 29 ff.) Non-Whites were portrayed as gift-givers and myth-makers, not at all prone to ethnic warfare.
Non-White intellectual activists are now celebrating their ethnocentrism and hostility toward Whites. Legions of them are tenured professors in departments of ethnic studies. Acuña’s department of Chicano studies at CSU-Northridge has 28 professors, and it’s the same pretty much everywhere. The Arizona legislation shows that this sort of intellectual ethnic activism also pervades the K-12 curriculum.
So Whites really have three choices:
- Reverse the trends of minority empowerment by getting rid of ethnic studies programs and deporting illegal immigrants, as Arizona is doing. However, that won’t be enough, unless they succeed in getting the very large numbers of legal non-White immigrants to leave.
- Stake out a White separatist area in North America.
- Get ready for the coming race war.
Facing the Future as a Minority
I believe this is as sobering an essay as I’ve read.
I would tell all who share our values, our beliefs to, IMMEDIATELY, join the National Rifle Association, and if one can afford another membership, Gun Owners of America.
I read Robert Ringer’s “Winning Through Intimdation” and his later book on Libertarianism, i.e. the indivdual, no group feeling. It was VERY explicit that racial/ethnic solidarity was EVIL, WRONG and only MORONS held such beliefs.
Of course as a Jew Ringer held strong ethnic identity to his group, his readership was 99% white.
One way for the White of Christian heritage another for his tribe.
Individualism and Alienation
The flag
http://www.youtube.com/v/mSuqU0Yx4jw
Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945
Right on Kevin. The twin hydra’s of self-destructive, Anglo-White ideological sophistry, liberalism and conservatism to be exact, have brought us to this balkanized impasse. The wheels are literally coming off of the make-believe, feel-good, “diverse”, illusionary American welcome wagon. Most Whites, except in the front line S.W. states, are still mesmerized by decades of warped mind programming, and still in the thrall of the dissimulating, alien controlled MSM. As socio-economic conditions deteriorate, this chaotic racial witches’ brew is likely to come to a boil, despite everything that the hijacked system may do to impede it. The ‘red state hill-jacks’ and their ‘gun culture’ may be our only saving grace, now that the ethnic dice have been caste, and the racial Rubicon crossed. It is now only a matter of time.
Option 1 is the best. We must combine that with mandatory expulsion of Gang Members. Most memebrs are Hispanic and Black.
Folks serving on death row or in for life need to be euthanized in 30 days
Option 2 is sort of surrendering which I am not in favor of. We must take the fight to them. I don’t care if they call me a Nazi Racist. So what
Option 3 Fifty more clips for the AK and I am ready
Allow me add a fourth choice to MacDonald’s list that includes the first half of option one (“Reverse the trends of minority empowerment by getting rid of ethnic studies programs and deporting illegal immigrants, as Arizona is doing”) and substitutes the second half with: “build coalitions with other ethno-religions that aren’t interested in wanton slaughter of whites, such as moderate Muslims (as opposed to Islamists), religious Catholic Hispanics (as opposed to La Raza racists), Buddhist Asians, etc.”
Zio-Bolshevik Jewry has now been in the process of poisoning the well against Muslims in particular for years, both in this country and internationally, just as it set out to poison the well against whites decades ago. I don’t believe most Muslims are foolish enough to believe they’ll ever get anywhere good in a coalition led by crazed Jewish supremacists, nor should any other religion.
It’s foolish, if not suicidal, for whites and Christians to NOT use all the tools at their disposal against this “multicultural” amalgamation that is in actuality an atheistic, Statist-Corporatist-enforced, Jewish supremacist caste system.
Robert Rodrigues Incites Racial Jihad
Dr. MacDonald,
Have you seen the trailer for the new Robert Rodriguez film, Machete?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDpIt2mf_es
Yes. Some people have said it is a spoof. Are we sure it’s for real? It seems way over the top. Kevin M
Re Robert Rodriguez’ ‘Machete’
They’ll try to laugh this off as a “blaxploitation”-type film that is targeting Hispanics, but its clear that Jewish Hollywood and Rupert Murdoch’s (Statist-Corporatist) Fox (the film’s producers) are attempting to simultaneously stir up fear and hatred of whites/border control advocates, and Christians (‘Machete’ appears to be a Catholic hit man who was double crossed by white racists and so goes on a racial-religious, vengeance-driven killing spree against whites, and becomes a kind of legendary Zorro-Jesus figure).
I guess we’re all supposed to roll over for the corrupt Establishment now, give in to amnesty, and turn over our paychecks to Washington in order that it help “keep the peace.” These Jews and Statist-Corporatists are masters at pitting people against one another, and laughing all the way to the bank (and political hegemony), just like their Israeli cousins.
BTW, the film’s director, Robert Rodriguez, is good buddies with Jewish bootlicker Quinten Tarantino (“Inglorious Basterds”) so that’s a good indication of the kind of nihilistic scum that Jewish Hollywood is using to do the Judeo-Establishment’s Machiavellian bidding.
This just in:
Racist film ‘Machete’ produced with taxpayer funds
http://www.infowars.com/racist-film-machete-produced-with-taxpayer-funds/
@ “The Boasians created an imaginary past expunged of ethnic violence and warfare… Non-Whites were portrayed as gift-givers and myth-makers, not at all prone to ethnic warfare.”
Proportionately as the number of inhabitants per population, death rate by war has been calculated from 10 to 30 times more in primitive tribes than in the most violent of modern societies. The murder rate in the Hewa tribe, according to Lyle Steadman, is a thousand times greater than the U.S. Bruce Knauft writes in Current Anthropology on other tribes: “There was not a single grown man who had not been involved in a killing in some way or another,” something that could not be said even of Hitler’s Germany or Stalin’s Russia in times of war. And with regard to violence in human history in general, in War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage, published in 1996, Lawrence Keeley shows that in our civilization the frequency of murders has been declining in recent millennia: a piece of info that refutes the hypothesis of the noble savage. In his book Keeley amassed a huge amount of historical data to validate this thesis. (My own view on charlatan Boas appears here.)
As to the Mexicans, I have dealt with them for a while in Mexico. I’ve even been sequestered twice; in both instances I had to endure considerable time with a gun aimed at my head.
However, these poor mestizo-Indian primitives with machetes are not as dangerous as you believe. Trust me: I’ve handled them quite a few times. Their IQ is so low that it’s easy to Jedi-trick them. I’m sure that if only the problem of non-gentile control of MSM was resolved in the U.S., whites would handle the Mexicans (and blacks) as easy as Cortés handled the Aztecs.
@Chris Moore
You make a very good point, Chris. I have lived in majority-hispanic parts of south Texas for most of my life, and I have honestly never met a la Raza type. The hispanics I grew up with considered America their country, respected military service, and were not resentful towards whites.
(Race relations in Texas seem to be much better in general than in other border states, particularly California. I suspect it is because blacks, hispanics, and whites have lived together for so long here, and the former two have tacitly accepted the social model of the first. I do not know if this arrangement can continue if whites continue to lose ground demographically, though.)
I do not want to see the WA movement make the same mistake as Jewish organizations, which is to make enemies out of potential allies or neutral parties. Hispanic and black citizens have nothing to lose from immigration restriction, and Asians have nothing to gain from affirmative action.
The interests of different ethnic groups will never be identical, but we may be able to find common ground with other ethnics against a parasitic (and white) elite that would reduce us all to multicultural ciphers.
@admin
KM I think the film is one thing, where a US Senator, modeled after Tom Tancredo, is targeted by Mexicans, however there is no doubt of director Robert Rodriguez’ intent in the trailer release.
The trailer starts with “this is a special Cinco de Mayo message…for Arizona.” This was just after Brewer signed the law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTTfjSTGaVI
As 1994 Chicano of the Year Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez (University of Texas at Arlington) said:
“We have an aging white America. They are dying. They are shitting in their pants with fear! … I love it!”
“We have got to eliminate the Gringo, and what I mean by that is that if the worse comes to the worst, we have got to kill him”
“Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes.”
How long do you think a White Christian professor would last if he said ANYTHING remotely resembling that? This is Sotomayor’s La Raza.
Mexians I encounter are ALL Reconquistas, perhaps others might have different experiences but it is just as with Jews, to your face they say one thing, behind your back another, it is just here we get it right in the face, no pretend.
The LA Times and NY Times are all VERY comfortable using the racial slur ‘ANGLO’ when discussing us.
I do believe we are going to live the Lord of the Rings
We know who the ORCs are, we know the White sellout elites are Saruman, and we know who SAURON is, the Hive.
Get ready for the coming race war?
Excuse me Herr Professor, but if Darwin is correct, there is already a race war. Such war is eternal; it has existed since the dawn of man, and will continue until there is only one surviving race. The problem is that Whites aren’t fighting, just surrendering.
Sheesh.
Chris Moore said:
May 15, 2010 at 3:43 PM
“Allow me add a fourth choice to MacDonald’s list that includes the first half of option one (“Reverse the trends of minority empowerment by getting rid of ethnic studies programs and deporting illegal immigrants, as Arizona is doing”) and substitutes the second half with: “build coalitions with other ethno-religions that aren’t interested in wanton slaughter of whites, such as moderate Muslims (as opposed to Islamists), religious Catholic Hispanics (as opposed to La Raza racists), Buddhist Asians, etc.”
I see your name links to a libertarian website. Are you just hoping by your argument for a cheap source of labor by keeping the more docile elements of the non-white population around?
The reason that’s not possible is because non-whites should not and will not be allowed INSIDE or anywhere NEAR White living space. We mustn’t allow ourselves to get caught up in the old “good negro” vs. “bad negro” discussion.
The “moderate Muslims”, the “religious Catholic Hispanics”, and the “Buddhist Asians” you speak of are nothing more than well-disciplined enemy combatants.
Besides, non-whites can’t produce White babies and they have no business near us.
The libertarians and other individualists will most likely be in the gun sights of the White Nationalists when the time comes. If the libertarians/individualists want to be around the “moderate” non-whites, let them move to the non-white lands—if there are any after this is over.
worth checking out…in RS mag…
The Global Land Grab A new breed of investor is planning to get rich off global warming, overpopulation and famine. Meet the new capitalists of chaos.
By McKenzie Funk
“Cortez handled the Aztecs”. Funny, I was just reading a book on the conquest of Mexico. It was not superior weapons or technology that allowed Cortez to triumph over the aztec empire, as is commonly taught. The Spanish actually enlisted the aid of the surrounding tribes, who were very aggrieved at the Aztecs, owing to the Aztec habit of attacking them for captives for the purpose of human sacrifice. You can see, these were a very kind, idyllic people before we Europeans corrupted them.
After the conquest, the Spaniards allowed their allies to pillage the Aztecs’ kingdom. Cortez wrote to the Spanish king, dismayed about what he witnessed–a scene of almost supernatural cruelty and savagery! Indians are brainwashed into feelings of grievance against us Europeans, but the truth is that they were always much crueler to one another than we have really been towards them. And look at the things we’ve given them–the fire water for one.
It’s really shocking to see the establishment talking heads display their ignorance about immigration on the Sunday talk shows and the other mainstream outlets for political opinion. Apparently they are living in a fantasy world where massive demographic changes not only have no impact on human life, they are also a forbidden topic of discussion. The past 4 decades of mass immigration of unassimilable 3rd world strangers is frankly terrible public policy. There is a mountain of evidence that racial and ethnic diversity causes distrust and tension. The morons that shape approved opinion express shock at the white anger displayed at the tea parties as though it came out of nowhere. They have no capacity to understand where it comes from, or how to deal with it. The best public policy to reduce ethnic tension would be a moratorium on mass immigration. It is also the best public policy for reducing unemployment.
Unfortunately, the mainstream morons have a difficult relationship with reality. Their bizarre ideas only make sense through the looking glass.
@ “You can see, these were a very kind, idyllic people before we Europeans corrupted them”
This is sarcasm, right?
@ “they [Amerindians] were always much crueler to one another than we have really been towards them”
I have written a book showing that pre-Columbian Mesoamerican Indians not only performed human sacrifices, but child sacrifices and indulged in cannibalism. The following is a quotation from a chapter published in the Gates of Vienna blogsite:
“In the context of the violent pre-sacrificial stimulations, I believe it is convenient to give a place to the torture, and precisely because it is only performed by the Aztecs before the human sacrifice. The torture is not necessarily integrated to the sacrificial prelude, but it may occur. The tearing off the nails of the children that had to be sacrificed to the god of the rain is a good example of ritual torture. The nails belonged to Tláloc. Through the sacrifices of the month atlcahualo the Mexicans paid homage to the tláloques [Tláloc servants] and called for the rain. In order for the ritual to be effective, it was convenient that the children cried profusely in the moment of the sacrifice.”
All three choices should be pursued at the same time. Other tactics should include assassinating Chicano nationalist officials, making it exceedingly dangerous for Hispanics to get involved in Chicano poilitics.
There’s another choice besides MacDonald’s three: assimilation. I know that’s the Pollyanna neocon remedy, and of course they’re wrong that it could be done easily. By “assimilation” I mean, basically, coerced assimilation. That’s pretty unimaginable at this point, but if you’re talking about alternate-reality ideas like (1) somehow getting lots of US citizens to emigrate or (2) a separate white nation-state, then you should consider less extreme remedies first.
Aaron says:
May 15, 2010 at 11:37 PM
There’s another choice besides MacDonald’s three: assimilation. I know that’s the Pollyanna neocon remedy, and of course they’re wrong that it could be done easily. By “assimilation” I mean, basically, coerced assimilation. That’s pretty unimaginable at this point, but if you’re talking about alternate-reality ideas like (1) somehow getting lots of US citizens to emigrate or (2) a separate white nation-state, then you should consider less extreme remedies first.
Why would we want such a disgusting and genocidal “remedy”?
Coerced assimilation would be the cultural genocide of Non-Whites, and lead to Whites being Genocided on a genetic level.
Probably only 62.5%, at the most, genes in America today are European in origin.
Because of differential reproductive rates this proportion will only get smaller.
If you remove the cultural barriers to race mixing with coerced assimilation, it really will lead to Genocide, given these numbers.
Aaron,
I also think assimilation is viable, (and need not be any more coercive than the assimilation of second-wave Irish, Poles, and the old line hispanics) *IF* white Americans can reassert social, cultural, and demographic dominance.
That’s a big “if,” but striving to retake our country peacefully is the kind of cause that could bring out the best in our people.
@mark
I suspect Aaron, like me, is speaking of cultural assimilation, not miscegenation. European peoples, the Spanish and mestizo classes, and Americans for most of their history have maintained ethnic distinctions despite geographic proximity.
Why would we want a “disgusting and genocidal” remedy like (coerced) assimilation? Because it’s both more feasible and more humane than the other remedies proposed. And as David F. suggests above, by “coerced” I meant pretty much like the original melting-pot of the early 20th century. Many of those ethnics didn’t assimilate all that voluntarily. They got plenty of help assimilating, whether they wanted it or not. Think of German-Americans around the time of World War I.
Like Aaron and David F. I think that coerced assimilation has to be on the table. Even If you had Operation Wetback II, and III, IV and V too if it was necessary, so that hardly any illegals remained, you would still have to decide on a solution for the un-assimilated legals remaining. “Assimilate entirely or go” is the right solution, but it has to be enforced.
I don’t think “stake out a White separatist area in North America” is a real alternative project. On the budget of the White nationalist movement?
I don’t think “get ready for the coming race war” is worth discussing. There is no “getting ready”.
Assimilation is not an option, because these Third World elements are NOT European, like most immigrants of 100 years ago. They are basically unassimilable, especially en masse. This ongoing racial disaster could be avoided without a blood bath, IF Whites were free to openly discuss the issues, and had REAL political input to deal with the problem. Unfortunately, with animus aforethought – alien non-Gentiles – filtering, dissimulating and manipulating the media, Whites have been morally and ideologically disarmed. There is a more humane way, of course, if perhaps Israel can absorb and “assimilate” a few million of these people flocking out of Central America and Africa.
Any form of assimilation is bad, but cultural assimilation is worse than genetic miscegination. But cultural assimilation will inevitably lead to genetic miscegination, because familiarity will result in love and sexual relations, as human history abundantly gives witness.
The danger of miscegination is the dilutional effect, whereby European high IQ genes will be delocalized into a mass of third world not-so-high IQ genes. The cultural and economic achievement discrepancies between white America/Europe versus South America(both pre and post Columbian) and Africa are undeniable, such that even a child should recognize. The most likely, Occam’s razor explanation for the differences is at the genetic level–be it absolute IQ, or a combination of that and bravery or innate curiosity.
This is a slippery slope because a generation of half white/half hispanics will have intermediate IQ and have a greater chance of associative mating with the higher IQ set of white Europeans, catalyzing the process, so to speak. “Assoicative mating”, the theory that individuals seek mates with roughly equal IQ, is not the answer for two reasons: A)it is purely theoretical and B) the IQ of the offspring of the pairing will regress to the LOWER mean of the hispanic population, rather than simply an average of the parents’ IQs. “Associative mating” is a frequent arguing point of the leftists, but it is invalid for the above reasons. Philip Rushton discusses this point in his books.
Personally, I don’t predict a bloody race war, although maybe a low-key one in the form of growing crime rates which is probably already in full swing, but a gradual transformation of the US into a giant form of Brazil or Argentina, generally undistinguished and dangerous.
In the first line, I meant to say genetic is worse than cultural. Sorry, I tend to type fast.
@ David
David F. says: May 16, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Aaron, I also think assimilation is viable, (and need not be any more coercive than the assimilation of second-wave Irish, Poles, and the old line hispanics) *IF* white Americans can reassert social, cultural, and demographic dominance. That’s a big “if,” but striving to retake our country peacefully is the kind of cause that could bring out the best in our people.
No, it will bring out the kind of Whites who have a financial stake in not upsetting the business cycle, you know, the libertarian types, and who put their financial interests above their race’s interests—the kind of people who got us into this mess in the first place.
David F. says: May 16, 2010 at 12:34 AM
@mark I suspect Aaron, like me, is speaking of cultural assimilation, not miscegenation. European peoples, the Spanish and mestizo classes, and Americans for most of their history have maintained ethnic distinctions despite geographic proximity.
Over the long-term “cultural assimilation” leads to total miscegenation. We know that is true because we can see it in the western world right now. Assimilation leads to racial integration which leads to miscegenation.
In any case, to accomplish what you’re talking about our political enemies would all have to be killed because they would always be agitating the non-whites. Those political enemies would include in large non-white contingent. The response to such an event would be the increased hatred, belligerence, and violence directed toward the White population.
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@ Aaron
Aaron says: May 16, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Why would we want a “disgusting and genocidal” remedy like (coerced) assimilation? Because it’s both more feasible and more humane than the other remedies proposed. And as David F. suggests above, by “coerced” I meant pretty much like the original melting-pot of the early 20th century. Many of those ethnics didn’t assimilate all that voluntarily. They got plenty of help assimilating, whether they wanted it or not. Think of German-Americans around the time of World War I.
Ok, so you mean the melting-pot of miscegenation because it won’t stay in the early 20th century mode for very long. We need to think very long-term, not just a few hundred years into the future. Racial separation of what remains of the non-white population after the coming conflict is very feasible and in any case there’s no need to be concerned about whether it is “humane” or not. What’s happening to Whites now is not “humane”. We need to be concerned about survival only.
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@Daybreaker
Daybreaker says: May 16, 2010 at 3:15 AM
Like Aaron and David F. I think that coerced assimilation has to be on the table. Even If you had Operation Wetback II, and III, IV and V too if it was necessary, so that hardly any illegals remained, you would still have to decide on a solution for the un-assimilated legals remaining. “Assimilate entirely or go” is the right solution, but it has to be enforced. I don’t think “stake out a White separatist area in North America” is a real alternative project. On the budget of the White nationalist movement? I don’t think “get ready for the coming race war” is worth discussing. There is no “getting ready”.
We’re not talking about staking out a White area on the “the budget of the White nationalist movement”. We’re talking about what will naturally happen during and after substantial social, political, and economic upheaval. Just making a chunk of the country ungovernable where anti-discrimination laws cannot be enforced will allow Whites setup their own all-White areas. Along with this natural inclination to separate along racial lines, there will be a huge political/military/paramilitary/guerrilla warfare dimension to what happens that will result in the massive depopulation of North America, much of the western hemisphere, and the Third World. During that period of depopulation the non-whites elements will disappear from the Whitelands.
Usually those who are against any upheaval, and want to bring about change without drawing blood, usually have a large financial stake in not upsetting the business cycle too much.
Concerning the “race war”, it is already going on. I think KM is talking about preparing for the next level of it and the levels to follow.
Chechar, that’s very interesting, but I hope you are not an ideological fellow travelor with that “Gates of Vienna” website!
Another, more northerly example is the Iroquois. They would horribly mutilate the Jesuit missionaries they captured, and this was standard practice with any prisoner. They believed that if the captive would cry out as they tortured him to death, that then they would have his soul as a slave in the afterlife. So, you see, at least they had an economic incentive for their savagery! The movie Blackrobe is a good depiction of this. And a good movie.
Here’s what will happen if Whites fail to separate from the non-white population and make an all-out effort to depopulate the non-white world.
This is a passage from a textbook I had in college some years ago.
Human Evolution: An Introduction to the New Physical Anthropology (Second Edition)
By Joseph Benjamin Birdsell, Ph.D.
Copyright 1975, 1972 by Rand McNally College Publishing Company
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 74-25665
Dr. Birdsell was a professor of Anthropology at UCLA for nearly 30 years.
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/information/biography/abcde/birdsell_joseph.html
All population figures are from the mid-1970s.
The quoted passage can be located on pp. 417-418. I’ll summarize page 416 first.
On page 416 Professor Birdsell discusses gene flow and how it is possible to calculate the rate of hybridization if the genetic characteristics and the numbers of the parent populations are known. He uses Australia as an illustration because he specialized in Australia. He points out how of the original 300,000 Aborigines, only about 25,000 remain and because of hybridization with the 12,000,000 Europeans, there are about 100,000 people of mixed European and aboriginal ancestry. A few centuries hence, he guesses, the entire population of Australia will be completely blended racially with the composition being approximately 99% European and 1% Aborigine.
On pp. 417 and 418 Professor Birdsell writes:
“The problem in the United States is one of differing proportions. Today our population totals a little more than 200,000,000 persons, of whom more than 20,000,000 are of ultimate African ancestry. The methods of calculation do show that the modern American Black is on the average about one-quarter White in his genetic makeup and three-quarters African. American Negroes today are a hybrid population. There has always been hybridization between Whites and Blacks in this country, and no doubt it will continue. Much of the White component in the modern American Black was derived during plantation days when slaves were treated as animals, and pretty young women served in rotation in their master’s bed. Since slavery was abolished, the rate of genetic exchange between Whites and Blacks has been somewhat diminished. But it still continues, and in spite of the sentiment for Black Nationalism, undoubtedly will continue into future generations. Over and above actual interracial unions, there has been a steady disappearance of very light-skinned hybrids into the White population. The rate of this “passing” is unknown, and probably unknowable, since those who have successfully passed certainly will not advertise the fact. But the existence of this type of gene flow results in the steady incorporation of a small minority of Negro genes in the matrix of the predominant White population. If we again assume that barriers to interracial marriages will slowly succumb, then after long periods of time, certainly involving several centuries, the population of this country will be finely blended and the gene pool will have a content of which about 90 percent was derived from colonial White Americans and 10 percent from Black slave ancestors.
The genetic consequences of the ultimate blending of European and African genes in a single national pool will, in general, produce a population intermediate in characteristics but very heavily weighted toward the European parental side of the mixture. Brunette complexions will become commoner and very fair ones rare. Honey-toned skin color will appear more frequently. In general, hair form will show more waviness than it does today, but tight spiral curls will be unusual. In a sense, the extreme differences in form and pigment which exist in the parental populations will disappear as the two different racial codes are blended.
Predictions about the future of mankind are always risky, but the action of gene flow allows a few to be made with safety. Wherever men and women of different racial stocks have met, they have produced hybrid children. This is not an assumption but a well-documented fact. Granted that this behavior will continue in the future, the real problem revolves about the mobility of future generations. We have every reason to believe that our technological progress will make it possible to move more people further and faster as time passes. The problems of distance on our planet will diminish. Racial intolerance is visibly receding. Under these circumstances it seems reasonable to predict that interracial blending will progressively increase. On the other hand, there will always remain sizable blocks of people tied to the land and not moving about in jet-set fashion. Today there are about 800,000,000 people in Red China, all of the Mongoloid race. For political reasons, the Red Chinese travel abroad only in small numbers, and while abroad, are controlled by a tight ideological rein. It is conceivable that restriction upon that population, which is one-quarter of the total population of the planet Earth, may inhibit the total blending of the world’s population. But aside from special situations like this, it seems clear that where possible, their genetic characteristics will blend.”
End of passage.
Non-whites are flooding into every White nation and none of these nations have any laws against interracial breeding. The Jewish elements are using their mass media assets and anything else at their disposable to promote this.
It will be extremely important that we face the fact that some very, very unpleasant and bloody measures are going to be required in order to avoid this and we mustn’t get squeamish. For example, there are now 54,000,000 Muslims in Europe—that’s just the Muslims, not the total non-white population of Europe! Not a single one of them will be left when this war is finished and Europe has been cleansed. At present there are about 306,000,000 people in the United States. By about 2042 Whites will be only half of the U.S. population. If we are to survive we must be willing to do as they will have to do in Europe. Do the math to fully appreciate the magnitude of what we face.
@ “The danger of miscegenation is the dilutional effect, whereby European high IQ genes will be delocalized into a mass of third world not-so-high IQ genes.”
There is another danger that is scarcely discussed in the WN sites. Aryan female beauty is the apex of evolutional esthetics, a phenotypic treasure that took Nature hundreds of thousands of years to produce. In a truly sane Western society any sort of miscegenation that darkened the white skin of the next generation of nymphs ought to be considered the very sin against the holy ghost, as I have recently said in an Occidental Dissent commenters post (and elaborated on the subject in my blog, here).
@ “Chechar, that’s very interesting, but I hope you are not an ideological fellow traveler with that ‘Gates of Vienna’ website!”
I used to be. But I got mad with them and we are no longer on speaking terms, as you can see here (or more recently here). These guys are blind about the race wars and the JP.
@ “It will be extremely important that we face the fact that some very, very unpleasant and bloody measures are going to be required in order to avoid this and we mustn’t get squeamish.”
Ditto. Just curious: have you read (or listened the audio version) The Turner Diaries? It’s probably the most important novel ever written for the WN movement.
@ “For example, there are now 54,000,000 Muslims in Europe—that’s just the Muslims, not the total non-white population of Europe! Not a single one of them will be left when this war is finished and Europe has been cleansed.”
Talking about Gates of Vienna, have any of you read the most illiberal post in that site about the uttermost necessity of nuking Mecca and Medina? Of course: now that Iran will want to play the 2012 doomsday card, nuking Mecca would be only the initial stage in the forthcoming war to demoralize the Muslims who have invaded European soil. After realizing that Allah has forsaken them it will be much easier to expel the remaining sons of Allah.
Dr MacDonald,
You left out choices four and five;
4. Become collaborators like the Jorge Bush Family and virtually all of the self-appointed Republican and Conservative elites.
5. Lower down the food chain, surrender, kick back and enjoy the televitzed black ball while sucking down alcohol and cigarettes delivered via Jewish cartels.
William G. Simpson in “Which Way Western Man” discussed the nature of industrial work circa 1920. And a primary example he drew from was himself as a drill press operator at a Ford plant in Detroit. He didn’t stay long in the environment he described. But many, many millions of nominal whites did. For 3-4-5 generations and more. Pop the drill press for 8-12 hours a day, then anesthetize with cigarettes, booze and ZOG ball. Say from 1850 until neocon Jew free traders started moving those jobs to Asia circa 1973. Since that time virtually all of these jobs have been replaced by CPUs and stepper and servo motors.
You are an evolutionary psychologist. What kind of genetic selection occurred during that period of humanoid drill press ‘bots? It seems to me such an environment places a premium on passive acceptance of intolerable conditions. iow, people who respond precisely the same way the bulk of so-called “white Americans” respond today to calls to political or military action on their own behalf.
I don’t believe such maladaptively selected people can be animated to collective action no matter how great the need.
@ Mark,
actually, I’m a libertarian-nationalist and have long advocated against open borders. I agree that Statist and Corporatist powers have opened up the borders for their own social-engineering and cheap-labor, geed and power driven purposes.
BTW, with all your railing and fantasizing about ethnic cleansing and militias carving out vast stretches of rural, whites-only countryside, you sound more like an un-American Zionist Jew than anything.
The Protestant Founders would have pissed on your kind of primitive, Old Testament tribalism, just as they would have pissed on Jews who didn’t want to adopt the country’s anti-tribal, “all men are created equal” and “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…”
The problem in this country is contemporary ethnic and religious tribalists who refused to take the leap of faith that the Founders took, which was the leap that became the basis of the unprecedented success of this country.
The first group allowed into this country that refused to take this leap was Jewry, which was also the first group given a “pass.” Others followed, were encouraged by Jewry to demand a “pass” of their own, which is why we’re in such a mess today.
IQ wouldn’t matter if all Americans agreed to take this leap. Look at Jewry, which probably has the highest IQ on earth, yet is miserable, grasping, craven and warped. A lot of good a high IQ has done them!
Any argument about what is or isn’t humane for Whites to do must be made in light of the fundamentally dishonest, coerced, and violent way in which we are right now being displaced, dispossessed, and driven toward extinction. When our enemies aren’t denying that this is happening they’re blaming us for suiciding ourselves and accusing us of wanting to genocide them. I’ve had my fill of self-serving moralizing and lectures about inhumanity from these hypocrites.
The Protestant Founders
Are extinct. The few descendants they have alive today were dispossessed of their inheritance entirely by choice. Downbred genetic weakness plus a love of E-Z money profits from so-called “cheap” labor was the cause in my view. Their “Supreme Court” is a classic example. It will soon consist of six (6) Papists from the 1st Church of the Sodomite Pederast, plus three (3) openly avowed anti-Christs.
In that group I count nine (9) justices favorably inclined to the open borders policy of displacing “Protestants” with non-white Catholics. And in my opinion so much for Dr. MacDonald’s Door #1.
just as they would have pissed on Jews who didn’t want to adopt the country’s anti-tribal
So how did this vast wave of Khazar garbage end up here then? Who let them in? Who failed to write down “No Jews” in the original Constitution?
Unfortunately, option 3 is going to happen.
@ “Who failed to write down “No Jews” in the original Constitution?”
We are so plugged in the liberal Matrix that we often forget that back in 1789, when the destiny of the West was re-written, count Clermont-Tonnerre addressed the French National Assembly with these words, “The Jews should be denied everything as a nation, but granted everything as individuals. The existence of a nation within a nation is unacceptable to our country.”
If only the count’s faction had won…
@Ex-Pro White Activist
Very few people stayed in that type of entry level industrial job very long, and if they did it was by choice. This ain’t Jewish communist-socialist Russia. LOL.
@Chechar
Ben Franklin said something similar, possibly more pointed, during the US Constitutional Convention.
Although, Franklin’s exact words have been lost, sooner or later they will surface again.
@ Chris Moore
Chris Moore says: May 16, 2010 at 9:52 AM
@ Mark, actually, I’m a libertarian-nationalist and have long advocated against open borders. I agree that Statist and Corporatist powers have opened up the borders for their own social-engineering and cheap-labor, geed and power driven purposes.
That’s what I thought. You are a libertarian so you won’t need to worry about the racial aspects of the future because you are hostile to that idea and your kind will not be admitted to a White-only area. You will be outside of it with the hostile non-whites, if there are any.
BTW, with all your railing and fantasizing about ethnic cleansing and militias carving out vast stretches of rural, whites-only countryside, you sound more like an un-American Zionist Jew than anything.
Oh, really? I’ve haven’t heard any Zionist Jews advocating for a protected, ethnically-cleansed Whites-only area. BTW, ethnic cleansing has been going on since human society began. It is human nature. Whites are being ethnically cleansed out of their ancestral homelands right now.
The Protestant Founders would have pissed on your kind of primitive, Old Testament tribalism, just as they would have pissed on Jews who didn’t want to adopt the country’s anti-tribal, “all men are created equal” and “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…”
Yes, that’s right, the Founding Fathers would have done just that, and that’s why the Founding Fathers were the scum of the Earth. They were more concerned with money than with the fate of their race. If they had been tribalists first and considered money of secondary importance we wouldn’t have any negroes in America. We won’t be following their example again. We should not look up to the Founding Fathers.
The problem in this country is contemporary ethnic and religious tribalists who refused to take the leap of faith that the Founders took, which was the leap that became the basis of the unprecedented success of this country.
This is no time for “faith”. It is now time for reality—the reality that races are naturally hostile to each other, have different long-term interests, and the reality that racial conflict, racial discrimination, and tribalism are human nature. Infants as young as six months of age discriminate by race. See Newsweek magazine, September 14, 2009, http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989.
I’ve made a post above at 8:29 AM on the consequences if we fail to segregate ourselves and establish large all-White areas on this planet.
@Tom Watson
Did you ever work in such an industrial plant? I did one summer while in university. It was an extremely unmodernized brake parts factory that limped into the late 1970s with technology from the early 1920s. And it was a UAW shop. Some months afterward the entire work force was fired and the equipment was moved to Mexico.
From my perspective you flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. In my experience that’s a defining hallmark of the pro-white movement. It might even be mandatory for pro-white leaders.
My perspective is that you sound like a college student who worked in a large UAW industrial facility for a few months during the summer. LOL.
Nafta etc. has been a disaster for White working people. All politicians talk about it, none have done anything about it.
@ Ex-Pro White Activist
My perspective is that you sound like a college student who worked in a large UAW industrial facility for a few months during the summer. LOL.
Nafta etc. has been a disaster for White working people. All politicians talk about it, none have done anything about it.
Machete started as an over the top trailer but didn’t have the the anti-white message of the actual movie. They’ll claim it’s ironic but tongue in cheek or not a message is getting across, even in the US there are those taking Santa Muerte seriously.
It is not much of an incentive to espouse nationalism if the choices of racially conscious Whites come down to the three you give. It makes getting on the side of white interests sound like a fateful step into a possible dead end situation. The incipient anti-white regime has massive resources with which to divert gullible nationalists away from political activism towards trying to get ‘prepared’ in an organized way, for example they’ll start their own pseudo-groups to act as flypaper and discredit the whole pro-white agenda as proto-terrorism.
WSJ celebrates destruction of America:
That Bright, Dying Star, the American WASP
Kagan Nomination Marks Another Faded Day in the Establishment’s Illustrious but Insular History; a New Path to Power
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704414504575244622954114574.html
How insular could WASPs have been if the Jews are where they are today? Is Robert Frank a relative of Leo Frank?
Ex-Pro White Activist asks ‘What kind of genetic selection occurred during that period … a premium on passive acceptance of intolerable conditions’
And getting on with their work because for a long time – it wasn’t that many generations ago – your children would die if you didn’t knuckle down and follow orders.
People need waking up and talking about the physical danger whites will be in if they don’t reverse current trends is a good way to do that. If it comes to a race war things will be one sided; people who couldn’t see the necessity of defending themselves from ideological aggression will not do any better with officially sanctioned physical violence.
Someday says:
May 16, 2010 at 11:49 AM
“It is not much of an incentive to espouse nationalism if the choices of racially conscious Whites come down to the three you give. It makes getting on the side of white interests sound like a fateful step into a possible dead end situation.”
But with the White Nationalism approach we have a chance of survival. If we do nothing (and a conservative/libertarian approach is the same as doing nothing) our people will certainly die. Besides, fence-sitting Whites will have all the incentive they need when they have hordes on non-whites breathing down their necks.
The incipient anti-white regime has massive resources with which to divert gullible nationalists away from political activism towards trying to get ‘prepared’ in an organized way, for example they’ll start their own pseudo-groups to act as flypaper and discredit the whole pro-white agenda as proto-terrorism.”
Well, of course, anything we do will be characterized by the anti-racists as “terrorism”. And perhaps some of the things that will be necessary will very closely resemble “terrorist” acts. We shouldn’t concern ourselves with that, however. Terrorism and subterfuge are being used against us now. Our survival justifies any and all means.
We’ll also adopt a strategy of political, social, economic, and environmental sabotage. An example of the latter would be like the oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico and a thousand other similar things to trash the economy and along with it the political and social orders.
One of Dr. MacDonald’s best essays. Given the amount of apathy of the majority of the White population, and the almost total brainwashing by the jewish controlled media, I greatly fear that the last alternative will be the one to materialize.
Mark, there’s not a chance of that happening and even less chance of it working.
I think Kevin MacDonald mentions a ‘preparing’ strategy last because he believes it is the last thing we should do; it’s not mentioned as a genuine option but as a warning of unspeakably horrific consequences if the slide into a anti-white state continues.
The decisive conflict for racial survival is political.
@ “We’ll also adopt a strategy of political, social, economic, and environmental sabotage. An example of the latter would be like the oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico” —Mark
What about geologist and volcanologist revolutionaries nuking the weakest spot of La Palma (I lived in a Canary island last year BTW) to produce a large-scale collapse of that side of the island with unimaginable large tsunamis hitting all over the U.S. East coast, wiping out in a single stroke most liberals and hopefully the treasonous government? (Something like it occurred in the Atlantic’s geological past.) Because —:
@ “Mark, there’s not a chance of that happening and even less chance of it working.” —Someday
This said, I must repeat: Mark, have you listened to the audio version of The Turner Diaries? You’ll love it…
Someday: “Mark, there’s not a chance of that happening and even less chance of it working.”
History suggests otherwise. Empires break up, new nations are formed, revolutions happen. There certainly is a chance, a very good one in fact, that this will happen for whites. We’ll have white lands again.
Someday: “The decisive conflict for racial survival is political.”
The opportunity to win within the confines of the conventional political system is over. Such may have been possible in generations past, but that ship set sail long ago. The United States now has an enormous non-white population, and non-white births will soon officially surpass white births. Again, that’s the official statistic. In reality it has already happened (assuming a traditional definition of who is white).
Also, there will be no long march through the institutions. “Conservatives” (read – losers) allowed the Left to enter academia, the media, etc. The Left immediately proceeded to pursue absolute control over these institutions, not allowing any ideological competition. The Left has an extremely totalitarian mindset, and they certainly aren’t going to make the same mistakes that the earlier conservatives made. They will never allow us to “march” through those insitutions, at least not voluntarily. Instead, they demand complete control. Keven MacDonald is truly a great man (and I don’t say that lightly), combining intellect with courage and vision. But he is a fluke in terms of academia. The Leftist controlled institutions, which is to say pretty much every institution that matters, would never knowingly hire such a man (and, from their perspective, who can blame them? Look at what one man can do! Imagine a hundred, in departments all across the country. The Left will never allow that). We’ll get the occasional fluke, but that will be it. Again, no long march for us.
In short, the normal political and institutional process is closed to us. We can’t do it the way the Left did: take over the country with hardly a shot fired. They had the good fortune of displacing weak, inconsistent, and unsure opponents. The Left, on the other hand, is anything but weak. They may be crazy from our point of view, but they are determined totalitarians. The doors are firmly shut to anyone who opposes white displacement, marginalization, and de facto genocide.
So yes, that leaves us with some very hard choices, and Macdonald nails it above. This is a real problem in terms of recruitment to the pro-white cause, because at the end of the day it’s going to take some quite radical steps to secure the existence of our people. Most whites, including huge numbers that sympathize with us, are understandably afraid of taking those steps. They want an easy solution, a painless solution, and who can blame them? Unfortunately, it’s simply not possible, but it’s certainly understandable.
Let’s say you’ve got a wife and kids. Who wants instability, uncertainty and revolution? The suffering that would inevitably accompany such steps could be enormous. It is only natural for most people to seek to avoid such outcomes for as long as possible.
Yet, at the end of the day, the history books are replete with just these sorts of outcomes – revolution, secession, independence. These things happen. They’ve happened before, and they’ll happen again. I would argue that, with the dynamics at play in this country, it is now inevitable that the anti-white status quo will be disrupted. Our job, at this point in the game, is to spread our ideas far and wide so that we are better positioned when opportunity knocks.
Powerful dynamics – racial, political, economic, cultural, – will be set into motion that seriously disrupt the status quo. When that happens, either our ideas will have spread far enough to become a contender, or they won’t. It’s really that simple. As the ideas spread, more physical manifestations will appear on the ground – more organization, more protests, more advocacy. But, as long as the status quo holds, our real strength will always appear far less than it really is, for reasons mentioned above (not to mention the sanctions that the system can mete out to dissenters). Most people want all other remedies exhausted before they embark upon radical solutions. This is natural and normal. Unfortunately, as also mentioned above, the painless solution is no longer possible. Far seeing people already understand this, and as the broader dynamics play themselves out, more and more people will catch up to them.
There is, in essence, an organic process that is occurring. We can faciliate this, help it along, encourage it to grow. This much we can control. Then there are the much broader macro level dynamics at play that we can’t control – yet will provide opportunities over time. However things turn out, one thing is clear: this society is going to encounter phenomenal stress in the coming years. That spells opportunity. We must do what we can with what we have, so as to make the most of it.
I suppose that the executive summary pretty much amounts to this: most people oppose radical solutions…until the day comes when they don’t.
Let the whitehaters smirk all they like. They will indeed rue the day when we are a minority.
Tom Watson:
This may be what you were referring to:
Benjamin Franklin said;
“I totally agree with General Washington that we must protect the young nation from an insidious influence of infiltration.
That menace, gentleman, are the Jews.
In whatever country where the Jews have settled in great numbers, they have lowered the moral standards, they have depreciated the commercial integrity; they have segregated themselves and have not assimilated; they have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which this nation was founded by objection to it’s restriction; they have built a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their fate in that they have been exiled from their “homeland”, as they call Palestine.
But, gentleman, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. The must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, change our form of government for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If we do not exclude them in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the Houses of Exchange rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, our children will curse you in your graves.”
I have no idea if this is actually a legitimate quote attributable to Ben Franklin or not. But as a clarion call to the future it is prescient, isn’t it?
All I know is I found it on the internet.
Kevin MacDonald’s three things to prepare for are unnecessarily alarmist. If we shut off the constant inflow of immigrants–legal and illegal–and convince most of the illegals to self deport by making it hard to obtain work, everything will come out all right. We can peacefully assimilate the remainder. It will take a long time–probably more than a century–but intermarriage will take care of everything in time. It is wrong to suggest that the more extreme solutions such as race wars and breaking the country up into ethno-states are the only way out. It contributes to the fatalism of those who are repelled by such solutions. Mexican-Americans are assimilable. Those in the Southern California average about 40% Caucasian ancestry and are attractive enough that intermarriage should increase once there has been linguistic and cultural assimilation. Don’t get me wrong. I am in favor of immigration restriction. I am in favor of keeping America a majority white country. But don’t turn off our allies by suggesting that the only solution is a racial Armageddon. It will not bring them over to our side. It will only convince them that it is already too late to do anything about the problem.
Tom Watson:
This may be what you were referring to:
Benjamin Franklin said;
“I totally agree with General Washington that we must protect the young nation from an insidious influence of infiltration.
That menace, gentleman, are the Jews.
In whatever country where the Jews have settled in great numbers, they have lowered the moral standards, they have depreciated the commercial integrity; they have segregated themselves and have not assimilated; they have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which this nation was founded by objection to it’s restriction; they have built a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their fate in that they have been exiled from their “homeland”, as they call Palestine.
But, gentleman, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. The must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from these United States in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, change our form of government for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If we do not exclude them in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the Houses of Exchange rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, our children will curse you in your graves.”
I have no idea if this is actually a legitimate quote attributable to Ben Franklin. But as a clarion call to the future, it is prescient, isn’t it?
All I know is I found it on the internet. heh heh
@arthurdecco
Something noteworthy, and not flattering was said about the Jews at the Constitutional Convention. What exactly was said can’t be sourced, at this time.
@ “Mexican-Americans are assimilable… Those in the Southern California average about 40% Caucasian ancestry and are attractive enough that intermarriage should increase”
This is the sort of anti-white thinking that is treasonous and suicidal. Slightly mestisized (i.e., mostly Indian) Mexicans are not assimilable. Look at the history of Mexico. In fact, just look at what has happened to my native town of Mexico City in the last decades! A female friend recently told me that when we were kids only a few nacos (pejorative slang for Indian, equivalent to “nigger”) were seen on the streets of Iberian whites neighborhoods, but that now they are seen everywhere, with the astronomical increase of crime in the city, etc. Do you want the same race mess in the United States?
Like any other “Latin” American (newspeak for Mestizo American) country, Mexico was relatively prosperous when Iberian whites ruled it after the Spanish conquest. But after the demographic explosion it became a snake pit of low-IQ, poor, and ugly nacos. Speaking about “attractive enough that intermarriage…” sounds like blasphemy to me—cf. what I wrote in my previous posts about the sin against the holy ghost.
It’s incredible that statements like the above are put forward with total ignorance of half a millennium of the history of the country just down the South of the U.S.
“But after the demographic explosion it became a snake pit of low-IQ, poor, and ugly nacos. Speaking about “attractive enough that intermarriage…” sounds like blasphemy to me—cf. what I wrote in my previous posts about the sin against the holy ghost.
It’s incredible that statements like the above are put forward with total ignorance of half a millennium of the history of the country just down the South of the U.S.”
Thank you, Chechar; That is an excellent point that American WNs need to spend some time thinking about Mexico’s history, as a warning of our coming fate.
I AM ignorant of Mexican history. How DID it happen that Mexican Amerind/mestizoes experienced a population boom, such that Iberian Whites lost control there?
Here in U.S., our own Indians (The Sioux, the Cherokee, etc.) are still on reservations, their numbers a tiny fraction of what they were before the Indian Wars; and they certainly show no indications of looking to make the numbers of babies it would take to depose the Whites here. No, they are alcoholics with a tremendous suicide rate in their teenage boys. Ironic, isn’t it? The Amerinds in our own borders are not more than a bit of mild indigestion, all in all. Our demographic decimation will result from the hordes coming from Mexico.
So, how Did the Mexican Amerinds/mestizoes get their will to massively procreate?
Looking over these comments, it seems that the respondents fall into two distinct groups: those who understand the race question, and those who don’t. Those who minimize the role of race in human behavior and urge assimilation fall into the latter category, while those who foresee and even desire a race war fall into the former. It’s not entirely clear which category MacDonald himself is in. Does he think the White race, in its current condition, is worth preserving from racial mixing, or does he think a little strategic assimilation of “good Jews” and other high-IQ non-Whites would be a good thing? Based on his prior claim that he is not a genetic determinist, and that “when it comes to competition between races, the main factor for humans, at least in societies like ours, is the construction of culture”, he appears to be saying that cultural factors can override genetic predispositions. In any case, it’s hard to see what his denial of being a genetic determinist amounts to unless it means that there is no necessary link between race and the sort of culture a race produces; and further that he thinks that conflict between the races is avoidable, given the proper cultural forms. But what sort of culture is he thinking of, I wonder? Temporary armistices like segregation can be tried, but don’t eliminate the problem of opposing genetic interests, and historically are long-term failures at preserving race. Ethnonationalism is only segregation on a planetary scale, and is subject to the same indictment.
free thinkerd says:
May 16, 2010 at 3:58 PM
“Kevin MacDonald’s three things to prepare for are unnecessarily alarmist.”
No, they are not alarmist. They are very pragmatic and sensible at this time and they will become more so in the future.
“If we shut off the constant inflow of immigrants–legal and illegal–and convince most of the illegals to self deport by making it hard to obtain work, everything will come out all right.”
No, it won’t be alright because there will still be tens of millions of other non-whites in North America that must be removed.
“We can peacefully assimilate the remainder. It will take a long time–probably more than a century–but intermarriage will take care of everything in time.”
What you are suggesting by ” intermarriage will take care of everything in time” is genocide of the White race. So I say that we can just go ahead and genocide them first.
“It is wrong to suggest that the more extreme solutions such as race wars and breaking the country up into ethno-states are the only way out.”
Race wars and the balkanization of North America into ethnostates are not extreme even now and will be considered less extreme in the future by those who now feel they are.
“Mexican-Americans are assimilable.”
No, they aren’t.
“Those in the Southern California average about 40% Caucasian ancestry…”
No, they aren’t.
“But don’t turn off our allies by suggesting that the only solution is a racial Armageddon.”
It doesn’t turn them off. Whites are generally pragmatic and even though most have a sketchy understanding of history, they understand that upheaval is sometimes necessary. After all, on July 4, 2010 we’ll once again be celebrating the violent overthrow of a legal, standing government here in North America. Whites understand the occasional need for this kind of thing.
I researched the Franklin quote further on the internet, and apparently it comes from an apocryphal source “the Pickney diary”, which was in reality Nazi propaganda. I had a hunch that was the case because it refers to the “return to Palestine” , aka Zionism, which would be an anachronism in this context. The concept that Jews were exiled and needed to return to Palestine was a 19th century construction, by Theodore Hertzl, et al.
@ “So, how Did the Mexican Amerinds/mestizoes get their will to massively procreate?”
I guess: just as blacks did it in the U.S, by quixotically empowering them, step by step, after the American Civil War. But the story of Mestizo America is more complex since some Spaniards started to misceginate with Indians since the 16th century.
The demographic explosion of quasi-Indian mestizos in Mexico City that destroyed my beloved neighborhoods of yore is the fault of a public medicare that allowed them to dramatically reduce their proper level of mortality. Catholic ethics cannot stand the sight of little brown children dying. They must help them or they will freak out. As I explained in the longest post of my blog, “After the current paradigm collapses, people in the Third World should be left to die—as they were left to die due to natural causes (epidemics, hygienics, infant mortality, etc.) before the deranged altruism took hold of the Western psyche. Otherwise Westerners only worsen the suffering of the billions of people in the Third World. For the current meta-ethical standards, the mere thought of this proposal is monstrous. [Some people] argue that the real monstrosity is to allow these poor bastards to breed into runaway poverty and misery.”
Have you seen the TV program of imported rabbits to Australia? This prolific species became quite a plague in the new continent until they died by starvation. But now Obamacare will repeat the Mexican blunder in the United States…
Chechar says: May 16, 2010 at 2:24 PM
@ “We’ll also adopt a strategy of political, social, economic, and environmental sabotage. An example of the latter would be like the oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico” —
“Mark What about geologist and volcanologist revolutionaries nuking the weakest spot of La Palma (I lived in a Canary island last year BTW) to produce a large-scale collapse of that side of the island with unimaginable large tsunamis hitting all over the U.S. East coast, wiping out in a single stroke most liberals and hopefully the treasonous government? (Something like it occurred in the Atlantic’s geological past.)”
Well, I don’t know what will happen and I wasn’t saying that the oil rig incident was sabotage. I was just trying to illustrate the point that there will be a lot of environmental sabotage going on as well as the other kinds—like sabotaging the stock market, political assassinations daily, assassinations of single and groups of anti-Whites, sabotaging the subway and railroad systems nationwide, etc. And then you will have many lone-wolves and 2-3 man special operations-like cells carrying out killings of high-profile race traitors and conducting other kinds of patriotic activity.
I read that one of the strategies of Al-Qaeda was/is to start many hundreds of forest fires all over America. Such a strategy could be adopted by any dissident group. It is our job now to put many hundreds of these kinds of ideas into the heads of revolutionary, and what one might call pre-revolutionary, Whites who read these kinds of websites so that they can start thinking about these things NOW and decide what kind of operations each of them is most suited for in terms of their individual physical ability, their equipment, and their finances. It will come down to their courage and the finances each has available to operate. Fortunately, courage will be mostly needed for the first mission. It will be easy after that.
“This said, I must repeat: Mark, have you listened to the audio version of The Turner Diaries? You’ll love it… ”
Yes, I’ve read The Turner Diaries.
Thank you, Chechar.
Yes, the U.S. Black population was able to increase because by parasitizing White-built civilization.
You’re saying Mexican Amerinds did the same?
But I still find it curious that Mexican Amerinds procreate when U.S. Amerinds don’t. After all, they’re the same race. Odd they don’t suffer the same depression-caused plummeting birthrates as their coracials further north. After all, Mexican Amerinds are prone to alcoholism, too, are they not?
“But now Obamacare will repeat the Mexican blunder in the United States…”
Aye. Feeding 3rd-worlders because they can’t feed themselves is a mug’s game. They just breed until the new food supplies are consumed, also. And as soon as the extra food supplies disappear, the numbers of starvers is vastly multiplied.
Case in point: The “green revolution”of the ’50s — led by a White man, of course — that allowed 3rd world subsistance farmers to get greatly enhanced yields, requiring, naturally, technology that the 3rd worlders cannot build nor maintain in Whites’ absence. So the population has exploded in those 3rd world countries far beyond what hoe- farming can maintain.
Rhodesia is a good example of just such a bad plan:
Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa when Whites ran it, and the black population exploded because vast numbers of Black babies, who’d otherwise have starved to death or not been born, grew up to reproduce. Now the Whites are kicked out and 70% of those Blacks are facing starvation.
@ “And then you will have many lone-wolves and 2-3 man special operations-like cells carrying out killings of high-profile race traitors and conducting other kinds of patriotic activity.”
At last someone speaks my language!
By the way, I added disclaimers to my idea of “Let’s nuke La Palma” so as not to put this bog at risk. And about arson… personally I would spare the beautiful millenarian sequoias.
@ “But I still find it curious that Mexican Amerinds procreate when U.S. Amerinds don’t. After all, they’re the same race.” –Barb
This is because after the Spaniards destroyed the Mesoamerican culture they helped the Indians to make a “psychogenic” leap forward. This is complex to explain in a blog post but in my Quetzalcoatl book I wrote about it.
Trainspotter: *** As the ideas spread, more physical manifestations will appear on the ground – more organization, more protests, more advocacy. ***
Maybe within the next 10 years everyone will have become aware of the Jewish role in all of this. Maybe there will be a few pro-white newspapers and pro-white trade unions.
*** The Leftist controlled institutions, which is to say pretty much every institution that matters ***
They control the spokesmen, the chairmen and the big politicians, directly or indirectly. The rest of the population is silenced through intimidation and censorship. I suspect most of the politicians who are playing along with the system are still trying to fool themselves that they are not working against their own people. At some point, they may have to choose sides for good. If many Whites become rebellious and the government tries to suppress them by force, they will have to specifically target White protesters, and they will have to rely on other Whites to do the job. The government will clearly be perceived as anti-White, and will be in a dangerous situation.
It’s also interesting to note that Tom Horne, the Arizona superintendent of public instruction who is described as having pressed for this law, is Jewish. I suppose he is one of the “good Jews” whom MacDonald would probably like to have Whites assimilate. Apparently he didn’t get the memo from Jew headquarters that Jews are supposed to subvert White culture, not help preserve it.
But could it be that the whole thing is just a sham, a deception to aid him in his campaign for Arizona Attorney General? I must say that, having read the NYT article, the whole thing now appears a bit of a muddle. On the one hand, Horne expresses his happiness that it was signed into law, and on the other:
My prediction would be that this is a tempest in a teapot; a law passed for propaganda purposes that will never be enforced against non-Whites. It may, however, remain on the books to eventually be used as an excuse to suppress any nascent signs of White solidarity, in the somewhat unlikely event they emerge. It could be cited as a good reason to prohibit any White studies courses that were not the usual exercises in self-abasement.
@ Finrod
Not necessarily, forms of that quote were around long before the nazis. Although, I don’t doubt that the quote was embellished over the years by homegrown nazi propagandists among others. Your Palestine example reads like an embellishment, or a parasitic add on.
I have a hunch, who found the original quote, and where it could be sourced today. I also have a second possible historical source for the original quote.
I am a little concerned that jewish, or radical academics might try to destroy the original source documents if I pointed to their location.
If anyone wanted to pay for the research, I could probably source the quote for maybe 10k dollars.( motels, car, food, gratuities etc.) Purchase & authentication of original documents would cost more.
Good article. In my view, the negative future we want to avoid is not sudden death but slow death — death by slow erosion of all meaning, the production of Nietzsche’s “last men,” and then descent into a cultureless grey race.
It has happened before, as Spengler and Plato both remind us. Many times. Each time, the culture becomes a third-world shadow of its former self. It doesn’t happen suddenly, or it would be easy to fight. Each generation just gets 5% worse (number for example’s sake) and eventually, the civilization just fades away.
This is what most whites are hoping for: to duck the big problem long enough that they can retire and die, and leave it to their kids.
Arizonans and libertarians are trying to remove the force of government so that concerned whites can secede within this society. That will buy enough time to take over local areas, and make them no-fly for whites. This will accomplish de facto segregation.
Mark,
Our people are not morally capable of the total extermination of tens of millions of people. They will fall upon their own swords rather than lift them again the Other if total extermination is pressed. Uncompromising, absolutely thoroughgoing separation with preservation of racial purity as the goal is possible without extermination. Of course it is. Let that be the way forward, the way you suggest is pure poison as in the end it will produce the opposite result of what led you to suggest those means in the first place.
I see that my comments have provoked a certain amount of hostility from those with a more WN perspective. I consider that I am only being practical. I was only pointing out that it is not too late to change what could be a disastrous situation into one that is manageable. I too am a genetic determinist. Mexican Americans have an average IQ of 89. This is not good, but it is only 4 points lower than the average for the white working class. After they have assimilated, we will have a light-skinned mestizo working class with an average IQ of 92. The country will still function. We will also have a lot of people named Sanchez or Lopez who will look as white as you or me. Many of these may consider themselves white and decide to start using their mother’s maiden name of O’Neill. The thing is workable. It is still possible to keep America a decent place to live for our children and grandchildren. It is not possible to maintain the purity of the white race in America. That possibility went out the window 300 years ago when the first Africans stepped off the boat. I am certainly not going to blow up any oil wells or burn down any National Forests in pursuit of such an impossibility. I am trying to save my country–not destroy it.
Great post Kevin. If anyone doubts your analysis they need only look at what is happening to whites in South Africa today. This is a forerunner of what will happen if whites sink into minority status in the US and other Western nations. You will have the state run like a third-world banana republic by a low-IQ, corrupt non-white bureaucrats under a Jewish elite; the economy will tank as the white entrepreurial class dies out; the intellectual wealth of the nation will likewise decline as whites (with their unique intellectual gifts) are swept away. And finally, whites will live in constant fear of their lives, as powerless whites are targetted for sport by angry and impoverished non-whites, whose dreams of self-rule and all the riches they expected to result from this is exposed as a pipedream. And unlike the current white South Africans – there could be no white-majority safe-haven to migrate to.
Speaking of South Africa…I defy even the most self-hating liberal white person to watch this and not feel ethnocentric rage.
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/-/watch/19859763/
Again, free thinkerd’s scenario is unempirical hot air: in real history mestization between the Spaniards and the Amerindians caused the genetic and cultural mess you see in “Latin” America today. I can only hope that Americans won’t follow this suicidal path. Should 500 hundred years of history here down the U.S. border just be ignored?
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“I too am a genetic determinist. Mexican Americans have an average IQ of 89. This is not good, but it is only 4 points lower than the average for the white working class. After they have assimilated, we will have a light-skinned mestizo working class with an average IQ of 92.”
You forgot to mention that we wouldn’t have a White Working class anymore, and that the population and Non-European component of the average Mexican in America is great enough that such a scenario would leave those families nothing other than unrecognizable.
“Many of these may consider themselves white and decide to start using their mother’s maiden name of O’Neill.”
Yeah sure, it’s okay for Irish working class people to be admixed out of existence for no higher end than taking the edge off Mexican criminality, but of course we would never suggest such a thing for the upper classes.
“I am trying to save my country–not destroy it.”
‘Your country’s not your blood — you remember that.’
-Sonny Corleone
Point of Information for TW and ArtDecco re the Franklin quote on Jews: This is the so-called “Franklin Prophecy”, supposed to have been delivered by him at the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Its only “source” is the (actually kept, but unpublished) diary kept by Charles Pinckney of S. Carolina, who was indeed present at the Convention….but the diary itself has never been found and may have been destroyed during the Civil War. In any case, certain of Franklin’s published letters contain graphic anti-Jewish references. For discussion, see Bill Grimstad, ANTIZION; pdf available at rebelnews.org.
MacD’s third alternative is the future, because WNs and whites in general are not going to have a choice in the matter. At some point, the other side is going to insist. As for whites in general being unwilling to take up weapons against their oppressors, all humans – whites included – are lethally capable against their own kind, and our bloody species-history proves it so. When economic and political conditions deteriorate beyond a certain threshold, these things will happen. Automatically.
CompassionateFascist says: “MacD’s third alternative is the future, because WNs and whites in general are not going to have a choice in the matter. At some point, the other side is going to insist.”
This is the only way a race war would come about, but then how is it possible to get ready for it?
However, I think Someday is right: “Kevin MacDonald mentions a ‘preparing’ strategy last because he believes it is the last thing we should do; it’s not mentioned as a genuine option but as a warning of unspeakably horrific consequences if the slide into a anti-white state continues.”
CompassionateFascist says: “As for whites in general being unwilling to take up weapons against their oppressors, all humans – whites included – are lethally capable against their own kind, and our bloody species-history proves it so. When economic and political conditions deteriorate beyond a certain threshold, these things will happen. Automatically.”
I don’t think so. I think the South African model is more likely. That is an elite sellout, followed by the descent of Whites into conditions in which no effective resistance is possible.
However, in a sense that does not matter.
Someday says: “The decisive conflict for racial survival is political.”
Trainspotter says: “The opportunity to win within the confines of the conventional political system is over. Such may have been possible in generations past, but that ship set sail long ago.”
If so, in the same sense that doesn’t matter either.
The best thing Jared Taylor says is: this is a matter of duty, odds don’t come into it.
We ought to be alerted to the extent and immediacy of our duties by the seriousness of the situation as Kevin MacDonald outlines it, but not bother about the grimness of it at all. Good cheer is better than gloom. There is no moral duty for White nationalists to be gloomy.
For now, what matters is to support Arizona in every way, even just in conversation.
Kevin MacDonald is right: these laws are pure liberalism, not race realism let alone White nationalism. But they are still much better than letting things drift, which is why anti-White racists hate them.
The popular support that these laws have will encourage other politicians to enact good laws, or at least laws that are better than nothing.
Popular support for immigration restriction and other forms of White self defense has always been there, but it was wasted, because the political class wasn’t willing to avail itself of that support. Even if politicians are only willing to use that support now only for purely liberal ends, that’s a change. The color bar drawn against taking votes from Whites for defending their interests as Whites is being eroded. Our enemies hate that. We should like it.
Even if all this accomplished was to cause politicians to make fools of themselves like John McCain posing as defenders of Arizona’s borders, that’s still worth a laugh.
Miss USA is Lebanese immigrant Rima Fakih:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_en_tv/us_miss_usa
Seema Jilani is the voice of the South:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/may/13/us-southerners-discrimination
@CompassionateFascist
I don’t want to say too much about this because I am concerned that a Jew, or a jewish influenced radical might destroy the source document, or documents if I pointed out their probable location.
Let me assure you, that many, if not most libraries & museums have cardboard boxes full of first & second hand source material that has never been catalogued, or even semi-professionally looked at; the same goes for family holdings.
The vast majority of the “I am not a racist” vestigial White retardates will not awaken until they witness enough of their family members, friends, and neighbors get their heads bashed in by some representative of the “wonderfully vibrant Diverse” crowd.
So be it. Whitey must learn the hard way. I only hope there are enough of us left, by this time, to save what’s left.
Meanwhile – RaHoWa!
Daybreaker: “We ought to be alerted to the extent and immediacy of our duties by the seriousness of the situation as Kevin MacDonald outlines it, but not bother about the grimness of it at all. Good cheer is better than gloom. There is no moral duty for White nationalists to be gloomy.”
Absolutely, I agree. When I pointed out above that it is no longer possible to win through the normal political system, that was not meant as defeatist. Not at all. We’re going to win this thing, period. It just won’t be through certain routes that have become closed to us. There are always other routes available.
In the long run, the only way to secure the existence of our people is to have our own land, institutions, and control our own destiny. That’s my basic premise, my definition of victory. We aren’t going to get that through the conventional political system, which is hopelessly rigged against us. We’ll have to get it through other ways which, historically, happen with considerable frequency. I’m optimistic, not pessimistic.
It’s also true that, while we can’t win the whole enchilada through a system that is massively stacked against us, we may be able to win useful victories that have real value. We can use the decaying system to our advantage, at least to a certain extent. For example, it may still be possible to win some lesser offices that, while not providing us with the final objective, could help polarize the political landscape and lend additional credibility to our cause.
Or, even if that doesn’t happen, we can still benefit from the political victories of other movements. For example, I’m very critical of the Tea Parties because of their blindness, their present inability to grasp that their brand of individualism will not work in a country ever filling with non-white hordes, non-whites that support their own group interests at the expense of individualistic whites. There is a reason that non-whites rarely show up at Tea Parties, and it most certainly isn’t because they are made to feel unwelcome. Instead, it’s very simple: non-whites overwhelmingly oppose the Tea Party movement. They instead favor fully funded government programs (paid for largely with white tax dollars), and don’t seem to be bothered by various laws that restrict the liberty of whites. In fact, the typical non-white seems quite happy with the various infringements on white freedom of association, speech, etc. And why shouldn’t the non-white be happy? After all, the restrictions on white liberty were meant to benefit non-whites.
Having said this, I still wish the Tea Party well, and hope that the movement gains steam. Love what they did to Bennett in Utah. Hope Rand wins in Kentucky.
Normal whites need to get used to the idea of hitting the streets, taking direct action. For decades the street protest was almost exclusively the domain of the non-white or leftist. No more. The Tea Party has almost single handedly changed that. Also, more racial polarization can only help our cause. Whether it likes it or not, the Tea Party is inevitably on a collision course with non-whites, for reasons mentioned above. This is also true of libertarianism in general. So let them tout their individualist slogans. At the end of the day, they are going to run into solid, cohesive blocs of non-whites (supported by Jewish interests) who oppose everything that the Tea Partiers care about. In other words, there are fundamental dynamics that are being unleashed, and that is a very good thing from our perspective. Individualistic slogans can’t change what is really going on.
The Arizona law is another good example of this. Its proponents can say that it isn’t meant to be racial, and they may sincerely believe that. But it is racial, for the simple reason that white interests conflict with non-white interests. It therefore has the inevitable effect of increasing racial consciousness (on both sides) and decreasing the legitimacy of the system (a big win for us). Let’s have some more of this “individualism.”
Good stuff.
Of course, if what the Left has taught for these last decades were true, none of this would be happening. If non-white interests didn’t conflict with white interests, then the Tea Party would have plenty of non-whites. The Arizona law would be no biggie, broadly supported by non-whites as well as whites. If Leftist propganda were accurate, there would be no racial fault lines. (at least the propaganda directed at normal whites; they vary the message by audience, of course)
But what the Left has taught is not true, in fact it could not be further from the truth. So let the dynamics play out, they work in our favor. Let the libertarians and cult of individuality have their day. Support them, in fact (though consider saving your money for explicitly pro-white ventures only). Forgive the silly buggers their slogans and lack of vision. The more victories they can win, the better for us – because the more victories they win the more the true racial fault lines become apparent. The greater success they have, the closer we get to reality and, in due time, victory.
KM: “So Whites really have three choices:
(1) Reverse the trends of minority empowerment by getting rid of ethnic studies programs and deporting illegal immigrants, as Arizona is doing. However, that won’t be enough, unless they succeed in getting the very large numbers of legal non-White immigrants to leave.
(2) Stake out a White separatist area in North America.
(3) Get ready for the coming race war.”
Yes, these are the most plausible proximate scenarios. However, they are not disjunctive.
For example, 2 and 3 go together. But 1 effectively equates to 2 in creating a localized all-White demographic. Hence, it too is likely to couple with 3; some of the Mexicans asked to depart from places like Arizona will prefer to stay, and when pressed, make a physical issue of it (just as they would make an issue of departing from an all-White homeland anywhere in the continental US).
So what we’re likely to see is a blend of all three choices, complicated by the likelihood that “our” own government, seeing an opportunity to usher in an American Union on behalf of the Jewish international bankers who stole it from us using bribery and blackmail and now own it, will come down on squarely the side of the Mexicans, if necessary grouping a few thousand of its nonwhite soldiers together in special units charged with suppressing local self-determination by Whites. Needless to say, such measures would be illegal and are accordingly subject to opposition.
Ultimately, we are led to the following comments by Elvis H:
“Temporary armistices like segregation can be tried, but don’t eliminate the problem of opposing genetic interests, and historically are long-term failures at preserving race. Ethnonationalism is only segregation on a planetary scale, and is subject to the same indictment.”
The obvious (non-genocidal) solution is population control and limited eugenics within each ethnic group and its respective homeland(s).
Eugenics enters the equation because quantity control and quality control of population are naturally coupled by economic forces; each competing group must control its population without reducing its total brainpower or propagating unhealthy conditions that burden its health care system and other social programs (otherwise, it cannot remain competitive and self-sufficient in the international economic theater). Each nation would have laws sanctioning any overpopulating neighbor, thus forcing all players to go tit-for-tat.
I know that any mention of the word “eugenics” causes indigestion for many of those conditioned by the Jewish media and academic system to associate it with the horrors of “Naziism” and “bad science”. But science moves forward, and the idea is overdue for resurgence. Trying to avoid all forms of it equates to cheating the law of natural selection, resulting adaptive failure and the curtailment human evolution. In fact, those who insist the hardest on avoiding it are precisely those who are trying to create a world of easily enslaved mental invalids for their own benefit.
Obviously, our present grabastic human repopulation system can’t continue to work. Thanks to high-tech medical intervention and other causes, the subpopulation consisting of physically disabled and low-IQ Whites is now in the early stages of exponential growth as a percentage of our (dwindling) total numbers. But the times of plenty are drawing to a close, and a growing population of White invalids and mental incompetents would be every bit as crippling to a future White society as is our current staggering load of Blacks and Mexicans.
Suppose that a segregated world were to break down, e.g., that natural catastrophes were to force ethnic populations to relocate, overlap, and eventually mix. That’s where intra-racial eugenics would turn out to have been a very good idea: the resulting hybrids would have two sets of good genes instead of just one, which is what they now tend to have (to the profound detriment of society).
That way, we wouldn’t need to feel quite so bad about the ill effects of miscegenation.
The biggest problem is miscegenation. Each racial mix neutralizes a white family. It would be interesting to see demographic models of population growth, which could include the effect of miscegenation. I honestly believe this is a far greater problem than we realize.
@Tom Watson:
Who would pay 10 grand to dig up a quotation from Ben Franklin? In the pre PC age such comments were quite common. In any event, his personal experiences would have been with Sephardic Jews, a different group from the Eastern European Ashkenazim.
I vote option 2.
Many Whites, myself included, want an excuse to pursue this idea, but we feel like lone individuals when we make the decision to move to the Northwest (as an example). For this to work we need a strong leader who draws thousands of people to one area, overwhelming it with numbers and then dominating local elections and eventually state elections.
I believe that is essentially what Harold Covington’s idea is but no one is following him (and probably for good reasons).
However, I sense that silently many of us are reaching the same conclusions and this plan may become workable in the near future. What we need are credible, reasonable people like MacDonald leading the path towards making such a stand. That, and a religious-like zeal to inspire people to make bold decisions.
Firm decisions must be made (location, time) and people will need to answer the call when asked.
@Finrod
I would think that Franklin would have encountered both major groupings of Jews as an American diplomat. The reputation of the Jews precedes them. LOL.
Again, I think some people are underestimating the dangers of miscegination. The white gene pool is very resilient. Just look how fast Russia bounced back from its brain drain. I wouldn’t say it’s fully back on two feet yet, but just a couple of generations after the purges, the Soviet Union was able to give the US a run for its money in the space race.
My point is that, just because mostly working class whites will marry Hispanics, does not exclude signifcant damage to our gene pool, and transient gains in the Hispanic gene pool, that will be used against us in terms of ethnic activism! I read someplace that the rebellions in Santo Domingue were mostly organized by the mullato underclass. The natives would never have organized on their own. These mixed blood elites will then interbreed with higher class whites, resulting in further dilution. There is an interesting discussion about the dilutional effect in Michael Hart’s Understanding Human History. He hypothesizes that the decline of Portugal was the result of mixing with African blood.
Initiatives in all three categories outlined by MacDonald were undertaken decades ago:
• Reverse the trends of minority empowerment by getting rid of ethnic studies programs and deporting illegal immigrants, as Arizona is doing. However, that won’t be enough, unless they succeed in getting the very large numbers of legal non-White immigrants to leave.
• Stake out a White separatist area in North America.
• Get ready for the coming race war.
The first saw GOP elites undertake periodic playacting. This was sufficient to anesthetize sheeple followers. The second is the “Butler Plan” and Covington’s NW Migration. The third was both Pierce and COTC’s long term program, or so they said.
None of these attracted massive white followings. Why?
I have to agree with Ex Pro-White Activist. If we’re going to discuss “evolutionary psychology,” then let’s do it. It’s time to make real modern “white” behavior the topic for awhile.
The docility found in the American and European masses was genetically selected over the course of five generations by the factory system. As to the old leadership warfare – The American Civil War, The First and Second Wars to Kill White People, etc. – slew the noblest among them leaving con-artists, draft evaders, etc., behind to send their genes into the future.
Naturally none of this sits well with EZ money UAW pensioners or their docile desk-bound children. Nor does it sit well with the tin-pot “leadership” of the white nationalist Internet “pond.” If we’re serious (and I tend to agree with Ex Pro-White Activist that the overwhelming majority of “cyber-activists” are not serious), then this is a topic to be explored in-depth.
Deceit:
Alison Weir at UC Irvine May 13 2010 in comments by Sweman May 15,
2010 at 8:58 AM and my reply with references 13 May 2010 at 5:42 P.M.
State the consequence of excessive immigration into a nation.
The jews using minorities,and the other minorities have had their way so
long in America with establishment approval that now backlash by whites
is confronted by organized minorities with funding by federal government.
The whites have had since 1960s resistance to their power in U.S..America
was racist as most other nations have been.Israel is racist nation and
nationalist.The jews in Israel have policies as Hitler did.They committed
war crimes in Lebanon and Palestine.They are illegal occupiers of
Palestine.The Talmud states they hate gentiles as they are animals.
Jew in Israel in the majority support actions of their government in its
policies against Palestine.The history of the jews is hatred of them.
The power of their organizations AIPAC,ACLU,etc are protecting jews
using any means to do so.The nature of man is power,and it corrupts whether majority,or minority.
All have sin.Racism is law of nature to protect the species.It does not have intellect.Israel is best example.Jew who lie,cheat,remove comments from topics and use all means to cover up their criminal ways
are the same as all racist with closed minds.Talmud gentiles are animal.
You can lie and cheat to gentile as they are inferior.Michael Hoffman lectures
and books.
The jews at different blogs and other outlets on the internet have removed my comment and topics for approximately seven years.
If I said something about jews,or Israel.This practice is prevalent today.
When evidence is presented that can’t be refuted,or it is logical they
remove comments.The also try to degrade information using out of context comments,or imply I am Hitler,racist,anti,stupid,inferior.
They are inferior as if they could counter what I say they would.
They control News Media and publishing industry,etc.
There is no purpose in hashing out the history of America and the racist card as it will never end.Jews are best example of what minorities will
do if they gain power.We see this with the minority today.Our U.S. government allowed the illegal immigration as corporate wanted it to.
The corporate should pay to clean up the mess it has created.
The solution is for whites to organized and counter the jews and minorities using tactics they use.This should be done at schools work
places,and in protesting,boycotts,and electing congressman who
support equal rights for citizens only regardless of color.This is only
answer.The jews will try to stop any person are group from saying anything negative about them.This is part of their strategy.They are told
by leadership to do this in their organization.They look for those
who are threat to them and do what they can to cover up truth.
Whether jew or gentile if you lie and it is threat to security of U.S.
and you have power it indicates you are enemy of America.The jews
and other who remove my comments are low life filth.Scum of the earth.
If people hate you you must hate them.War is result of disagreement.
To overlook cover up and lies is to be a fool.To forgive destructive conduct that is persistent is stupid.Israel and the jews in the majority
support Israel.Why would gentiles support Hitler policies.Why would
whites allow a minority to become majority by illegal immigration.Why
would whites support a U.S. government that does not enforce the U.S. Constitution.
Enforce U.S. Constitution including equal rights for all U.S. citizens.Close borders.Throwout illegals and stop immigration unless really needed.
Make America self sufficient with employment.Form unions and other organization to have representation.Repeal 14th Amendment.Any person
born in U.S. is citizen of U.S..Why has congress said nothing about this.
Are they the enemy?
Mandate of demands must be nailed on congress.This must be uniformed
and consistently followed nationally by organizes groups.This is method of minorities with tax payer money.White must demand same access
for their tax dollars.No illegals deserve benefits of any kind.Deport them. ASAP.All are equal,so enforce it according to U.S. Constitution.
TREASON is violation of U.S. Constitution.Will these comment be removed as other have been,or part of them deleted?
I am not a racist.I hate racist, and people who support Hitler policies,and call others racist.What kind of low life would behave in such
manner?Inferior animals show their true self by their conduct.
Will they have a fit and delete these comments,and try to stop my comments as before?”The Founding Myths of Modern Israel” By
Roger Garaudy.”1/7 Syndrome of Control” You Tube.Truth about middle
east and israel-Jordon Maxwell-Expose the Illuminati-You Tube.
Low life cover up comments.FILTH.
Walter E. Haas Search Yahoo.com God Bless America
Trainspotter says:
May 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM
“Normal whites need to get used to the idea of hitting the streets, taking direct action. For decades the street protest was almost exclusively the domain of the non-white or leftist. No more.”
“The Arizona law is another good example of this. Its proponents can say that it isn’t meant to be racial, and they may sincerely believe that. But it is racial, for the simple reason that white interests conflict with non-white interests. It therefore has the inevitable effect of increasing racial consciousness (on both sides) and decreasing the legitimacy of the system (a big win for us). Let’s have some more of this “individualism.” “
“Good stuff. “
“Of course, if what the Left has taught for these last decades were true, none of this would be happening. If non-white interests didn’t conflict with white interests, then the Tea Party would have plenty of non-whites. The Arizona law would be no biggie, broadly supported by non-whites as well as whites. If Leftist propganda were accurate, there would be no racial fault lines. (at least the propaganda directed at normal whites; they vary the message by audience, of course)”
“But what the Left has taught is not true, in fact it could not be further from the truth. So let the dynamics play out, they work in our favor. Let the libertarians and cult of individuality have their day. Support them, in fact (though consider saving your money for explicitly pro-white ventures only). Forgive the silly buggers their slogans and lack of vision. The more victories they can win, the better for us – because the more victories they win the more the true racial fault lines become apparent. The greater success they have, the closer we get to reality and, in due time, victory.”
All very true and very important for Whites to understand.
I can easily see the recent Arizona initiatives being struck down at SCOTUS by 9-0 votes. They are at least 30 years too late.
GT says:
May 17, 2010 at 5:48 PM
“I can easily see the recent Arizona initiatives being struck down at SCOTUS by 9-0 votes. They are at least 30 years too late.”
I that case it would be time for the Governor to send out a nationwide call for irregular militiamen (guerrilla operators) to come to Arizona and then declare the State a sovereign nation.
From my understanding the ‘Franklin Prophecy’ was merely a propaganda invention created by the late William Dudley Pelley. Anyhow that is the person to look at if one really wants to research it.
When it comes to the Future 3 options that KMac lays out, it seems to me that options 2& 3 are in fact the same thing. Whites are not going to be allowed to create their own ethno-state without some form of conflict occuring. In fact one could assert we are already in a low-level Race War right now that is called ‘crime’ with thousands of Whites raped and murdered every week by non-Whites.
People should probably read Thomas W. Chittums book ‘Civil War 2′ and prepare for the future he predicts in there.
http://www.tusd1.org/contents/depart/mexicanam/index.asp
is the The Tucson Unified School District’s page for its “Mexican American Studies” program.
If the program were indeed a “Studies” program in the traditional academic sense, rather than being an advocacy program, its description might be, “Investigates the experience, effect, and history of Mexican Americans in the United States.”
But look at the actual description of the program:
“The Mexican American Studies Department is dedicated to the empowerment and strengthening of our community of learners.”
“Advocating for and providing curriculum that is centered within the pursuit of social justice.”
“Promoting and advocating for the demonstration of respect, understanding, appreciation, inclusion, and love at every level of service.”
From another page at the site,
http://www.tusd1.org/contents/depart/mexicanam/about.asp
“the department seeks to advance the…interests of Raza populations”
Need I say more.
Gathering all of us in one convenient spot (NW Imperative) is probably the greatest gift we could give to our enemies.
For me personally, offering, say blacks for instance, a chance to voluntarily segregate themselves into a posited ‘homeland’ would simply be a trick to let ourselves get our shit together before we annihilated them entirely and took said turf back again. I’m sure our enemies would do the same to our NW neverland.
Unless you live in the ghetto, stay right where you are and cause some homegrown trouble!
@Anon.
Pelly, hmmm. That’s what Abe Foxman seems to think. LOL.
High school and earlier public education has always been for indoctrination as well as instruction, whereas study in college succeeded in being at least somewhat more disinterested.
But the early indoctrination used to be in how great all the old American heroes and history were, and it grounded students in an identification with the traditional American mythos. Now they’re being grounded in an anti-American mythos.
This mainstream (I assume) commentator critiques interestingly both the Arizona law and the problem it addresses:
“This is one case, however, where the remedy is worse than the disease, or rather is a form of it. Rather than removing politics from the classroom, House Bill 2281 mandates the politics of its authors…’The Legislature finds and declares that public school pupils should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals…’
The idea of treating people as individuals is certainly central to the project of Enlightenment liberalism…But it is an idea, not a commandment handed down from on high, and as such it deserves to be studied, not worshipped.
The authors of House Bill 2281 don’t want students to learn about the ethic of treating people equally; they want them to believe in it…
you don’t cure…the virus of a politicized classroom by politicizing it in a different direction…the effort undermines the true function of education — ‘enthusiasm for the pursuit of knowledge.’”
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/arizona-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/
The question I just linked an article on fascinates me, because to survive, a people must certainly strengthen its youngsters’ fond attachment to their race and culture.
But that necessity conflicts inherently IMO with the also desirable goal of teaching honest and deep study and critique.
Whether a society can survive the replacement of its adherence to a mythos with attachment to an HONEST “culture of critique,” which the existence of science in the West inevitably inspires, is an open question.
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Obviously…I think…you can’t teach a child all the dreadful as well as happy aspects of everything it learns.
But when you finally do begin to teach (if ever) examination of all aspects of issues, how do you maintain the pupil’s attachment to its own people when that attachment was earlier fostered with a bowdlerized version of its own people’s nature and history?
(If it seems that I’m implicitly criticizing the white race, well that’s certainly so. I’m not among the WNs who think the white race was God’s final blessing upon the universe. I’m pro-actively white mainly just because I’m white…I recognize my race has created incredible beauty beyond anything I know of that other races have created, but one of our loveliest creations…science, has produced a technology that’s done its damage to the earth…let’s not deny it (and I’m not speaking of “global warming”), and we have shortcomings that other races lack, some of which are contributing to doing us in)
Actually, dit-dotting the North American landscape with collaborating, miniature, intentional communities is superior to concentrating the rebellion in one area or living as we do now – urban, isolated, and socioeconomically dependent on the jewish system. This, however, requires a special type of white man not found in traditional Republican and “white nationalist” circles.
It is not necessary to concentrate all efforts in one area – the Pacific Northwest, for example. For secession to work, non-system dependent secessionist communities sympathetic to and economically collaborating with the seceding state must dit-dot both the North American and European continents. Long before secession actually took place these communities must actually exist and have acquired varying degrees of political legitimacy at local, county, congressional district, or state levels.
I find what GT says is about “non-system dependent secessionist communities” quite interesting, although I would like to see the idea developed further. I believe in and support whatever the extreme opposite of globalism, homogenization, and integration of all cultural, demographic, ethnic diversity might best be called. I rather despise the mostly knowing (but in some cases hysterically ignorant) hypocrisy of globalists who, at colleges and universities, advocate the importance of “achieving and maintaining diversity” as a justification for integration and homogenization, which are quite the opposites of “achieving and maintaining diversity.” Evolution ALWAYS proceeds most quickly in small populations, whether that evolution is cultural or physical. Isolation is essential to evolution. Integration is essential to wiping out the diversity which evolution creates. Soon the human race will be uniform, like the vast fields of corn, wheat, and sorghum in Illinois, Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska which are not merely genetically similar but in many cases, due to cloning, IDENTICAL. These fields may be genetically engineered to resist many KNOWN threats, but evolution is famous for its opportunism, for the “chaos theory” generation of new species of parasites, pathogens, and symbiants who will, by unnatural selection, learn to arise more quickly than DUPONT, MONSANTO, ADM, and Beatrice Foods’ successors can genetically engineer “absolute immunities.” Only genetic diversity and the playful experimentation of evolution, both cultural and physical, can ensure sufficient diversity to keep the human race going in positive directions. In short, we should be encouraging ethnic diversity rather than wiping it out. Scots and Germans and Swedes in America should preserve their heritage rather than lose it—even to an overarching “American Amalgam.” E Pluribus Unum referred originally to the mixture of readily identifiable elements, not to “shake and bake” homogenization where the whole world is leveled by the great International Bankers’ Blender into a single world of ethically indistinct brown people employed by large govern-mental and corporate amalgams who eat at McDonald’s and shop at Walmarts. May God, and whatever human wisdom remains, forbid such a result. May the Aztec rise again to create a new and improved (hopefully Aztlan (hopefully without the mass human sacrifices of the past…)! May the Maya regain their historic supremacy as the most isolated and advanced, racially and linguistically pure and culturally distinctive people of the New World, instead of being wiped out by Cancun as this global tourist Mecca spreads like Cancer through the Northeastern Yucatan. And may the Anglo People of Canada preserve their distinctive accents from those of the Midwestern U.S. and the Southern U.S., and may even new subgroups of cultural and physical microevolution arise and compete for “a place in the sun.” The diversity of cultures and peoples on the globe IS beautiful, but it can only be “achieved and maintained” by breeding and interactive barriers between people. Everyone does not need to mate with everyone else. Everyone does not need to socialize with everyone else. Everyone does not even need to respect everyone else. Everyone should definitely have the right to develop an individual personality and to associate with others of like personalities, and if they should by socially approved choices form social and mating circles isolated from the rest of the world, then “Vive la Difference.”
“The Protestant Founders would have pissed on your kind of primitive, Old Testament tribalism”
Alternatively they assumed it so completely they didn’t think it needed saying.
Think it through. Slave owners saying “all men are created equal”? They meant the men of their tribe and those who were close enough.
Unfortunately jews look similar while being completely dissimilar.
Friere: “Education as the exercise of domination stimulates the credulity of students, with the ideological intent (often not perceived by educators) of indocrinating them to adapt to the world of oppression.” If you give it some thought, you’ll admit that he has an accurate insight into the role of “General Education” in the west, through the last century into the present.
The dude can be forgiven his ignorance to some degree in misnaming his oppressors, because it is not commonly known[taught] that the greater part of the original conquistador colonialist enterprise in the New World was a creation of the sephardics who, banned from the Spanish homeland, took their lust for precious metals westward, and began the relentless dispossession of the “indians” which has always been regarded as the ‘leyenda negra’ of the Iberian European, but in truth, exactly as with the black slave trade – which BTW came about as a result of the failure of the native Americans to adapt to enslavement – it was planned and managed by the mercantilist jewish separdic diasphora. The same group which for a time would make Amsterdam the international capital of commerce, and New Holland a graveyard for previously mutualistic relations between white colonists and the aboriginals.
Creating and managing incendiary relations between otherwise mutually tolerant racial groups has remained a specialty of the jewish culture. Now the program has expanded to (mis)educating) the children of those races to give blame to whitey for all the sins of their own doing. It’s been highly successful, as Freire and his ilk are testament, along with the contrite and self hating ‘european’ ethnic minority now in it’s final stage of dispossession.
On a separate note, one egregious error on the part of (the usually studiously factual)KMD. “Individualism is a unique creation of Western culture”…I followed the link under this assertion -”A tendency toward individualism and all of its implications: individual rights against the state, representative government, moral universalism, and science.”…to be sure I understood the comment.
The tendency to think of “the West” (as in Western European civilization as developed over the last millennium) as the originator and sole depository of individualist thinking and social structure is as misguided and inaccurate as the supposition that somehow this civilization grew up unaided, and without antecedent. Not only do the great majority of the peoples making up the so called European race have roots in the East(north, middle and even perhaps far!) but the bulk of what is thought of as purely “European” is in fact the cultural heritage of peoples whose gradual movements westward brought a lot of what is thought exclusively ‘occidental’ with them. Those same rooted traits which come out of the ‘orient’ remain there (at least in latency’ today, and certainly individualism is one of them. The zen monk, the yogin or even wandering monk are all symbols of an iconoclastic mode of behavior which refutes the state, moral universalism, and science as well or better than any ‘western’ experiment such as the calvinist or protestant(another project of crypto-jewry BTW).
When Rome and Carthage had already fallen to the malefactors whose Alexandrian webs spread the poison of “judeo” Christianity further and further afield, the jewel of the East still shone resplendent on the shores of Bosporus – and remained so until your own fallen nobility, inveigled by the venetian merchants, descended like locusts onto the centre of what you now think of as your own culture, pillaged & desecrated it, just as the mind controlled zombies of your own shadow government struck NYC and the heart of your own western mythos short time ago.
It’s of the essence that the remaining beacons of intellectual honesty and integrity[such as KMD!] in the benighted “West” to wake up to the fact that any slim chance which still remains to save the “white” race and it’s heritage will require building bridges back towards the East from which it came, and to regard the mixture of peoples who inhabit it still as not the enemy to be bombed out of existence, but allies in the long struggle against the kabbalist racial supremacists currently masters of the West.