The Center for Immigration Studies has issued a report, Fewer Jobs, More Immigrants, maintaining that despite the loss of 1 million jobs, 13.1 Million immigrants arrived in the last decade. The level of immigration remained the same despite a huge worsening of job creation.
Most tellingly, in 2008-2009, in the midst of the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression, 2.4 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the United States, even though 8.2 million jobs were lost over the same period. And the forecast is miserable, the LA Times print edition headline screaming “Fed forecasts hears of pain on job front.” The article did not quote anyone who thought that cutting back immigration would be a good idea.
Which tells us one thing: It’s not about economics. As the CIS notes, “the level of new immigration can remain high even in the face of massive job losses.”
I was reminded of this as I read my daily email from the American Third Position, titled “U.N. Calls for More Legal Immigration, as U.S. Jobs are Increasingly Shipped Overseas.” (Click here for the article; instructions for getting A3P emails are on the same page.)
Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, stated that “Although states have legitimate interests in securing their borders and exercising immigration controls, such concerns do not trump the obligations of the state to respect the internationally guaranteed rights of all persons.” Among those rights is the right to migrate wherever they want–effectively saying that in fact states have no right to control their borders.
She implies that the developed world should be willing to take in 214 million (!!) international migrants. America is clearly not doing its share. (And there will be plenty more prospective migrants as soon as these 214 million are settled in.) Indeed, as A3P notes, she essentially threatened Americans as being outside compliance with international law, stating that “The principle of non-discrimination is fundamental in international human rights law.” Everyone has a right to come to the US and the US has no right to discriminate among among prospective immigrants.
In the hands of Third World ideologues, what started out as the powerful, uniquely Western idea that people have rights against the state is in effect turned into the right to displace the people who created these societies. Western societies have rejected an identity based on their traditional people and culture in favor of an ideology that they are nothing more than “proposition nations”–a major theme of The Culture of Critique. Such proposition nations are ill-equipped to establish a principled intellectual defense against such egregious expansions of rights. Viewed from the perspective of, say, an African native of Kenya, any policy that discriminates in favor of people of European descent involves impermissible discrimination.
Niva Pillay, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
Clearly, there will be unrelenting pressure on the West to admit ever more immigrants–regardless of the economic conditions in those countries and regardless of the consequences to the founding populations and their culture. The Camp of the Saints nightmare in slow motion. But since the elites of all Western societies are resolutely committed to the dispossession of the people who built them, one never hears anything from political leadership or from the mainstream media about the astounding fact that legal immigration has continued more or less as it has been despite millions of unemployed Americans.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
Professor MacDonald, it might be worth someone initiating a survey to determine just how many Indian nationals are employed within the United Nations’ vast bureaucracy.
It makes complete sense, does it not, for someone like Niva Pillay to advocate wide open borders throughout the Western World—-Europe, and especially Britain are also being bombarded by Third World immigrants, with a disproportionate number coming from India—-simply because the Indian Subcontinent is already full to overflowing.
Since its formal Independence in 1947, India’s population has quite literally exploded in demographic terms: 1947 about 350-million; year 2000 passes the 1000-million (1-billion) mark, which they actually celebrated! … and is currently poised to overtake China (with its far larger land area) at somewhere around 1,250-million.
There is a growing argument that posits India must be internationally quarantined, and that many of its more senior politicians (of the past 40 years) indicted for crimes against humanity. The great irony is that India was the first country to implement a national family planning policy. By the early 1970s, they were even forcing sterilization upon economically vulnerable communities in India’s poorer northern states. But these policies failed to work because the Indian people are generally too chaotic and self-possessed to bother.
Despite the endless bluster about India becoming the next “Superpower”, this infinitely corrupt and truly filthy country has survived only by exporting its excess population to all four corners of the world. For example, at least four cities (+ two towns, one adjacent to Heathrow Airport) in England have been completely taken over by them (either by the Hindu or Muslim varieties).
Niva Pillay is arrogance and bare-faced cheek personified. Wherever they go, Indians are disliked but somehow continue to enjoy a very sympathetic press.
>>>There is a growing argument that posits India must be internationally quarantined, and that many of its more senior politicians (of the past 40 years) indicted for crimes against humanity. >>>
Could you point me to further sources where this “argument” you cite is growing. I mean a place or forum, and I mean besides your own mind and wishful fantasies. I doubt if even one respectable body today is advocating this. You sound immature suggesting such drivel. But I digress.
Look, your points about India’s physical destitution and the sharp contrasts between haves and have-nots, and the corruption are irrefutable.
But my point is, for someone that professes (on a different post) to be so well-traveled, and trying to be nuanced and intellectual about this, you still come across as a bit of a supremacist. You ignore the progress a country such as India has made in the last 20 years. And you, to your detriment, seem to ignore the trajectory going forward.
The falied population control experiment you mentioned failed not because “Indians are generally too chaotic” but because those that were targeted (rightly) were overwhelmingly Muslim (for having 5-10 kids per wife). And so the forces of political correctness, as they often do in the West, both from within India and without, conspired to end the policy as abruptly as it was instituted. The same UN we all bitch and moan about here put pressure on India, a sovereign nation, to end its “coercive” policy.
With all due respect, I think India has proved people wrong before (Paul Ehrlich who predicted food riots and mass starvation in India…) and it will do so again. The country, despite its problems, has shown a remarkable ability to learn from the outside world. I remember people in my dad’s generation used to refer to Japanese technology as “screw driver know how” – suggesting that all the Japanese could do was to assemble parts. Well, we all know where Japanese technology stands today, vis-a-vis American technology [sic].
Meanwhile, Whites in the West appear increasingly less likely to forge any meaningful consensus and approaches to dealing with newer powers, besides just mocking and being smug about the most obvious present symptoms that even a door-knob could notice and crow about. Hardly an analytical approach.
We let the neocons and globalists do the engaging, and think-taking, while staying content blogging on sites like this, comfortable in the notion that we won’t be challenged.
I will not respond again, unless I see something besides rants and personal experiences grossly extrapolated to judge a billion-plus people. Finally, thanks for taking the time to read my post.
‘Wherever they go, Indians are disliked but somehow continue to enjoy a very sympathetic press.’
Have to agree. I work with many of them and they are like Jews only with lower intelligence. They have all of the other characteristics in abundance – intense ethnocentrism (despite being quick themselves to scream racism), psychological aggression (again screaming racism if they don’t get their way), a great sense of entitlement, very hypocritical, and with an absurdly inflated sense of their own status – which is surprising coming as they do from a culture renowned for backwardness, squalor, corruption, and incompetence. The ‘high caste’ ones like the Punjabi Sikh’s think they are some sort of racial elite and get very touchy if white people don’t defer to them.
I have to disagree. I have a great deal of experience working with Indians at all levels, and I have had overwhelmingly positive experiences with them, with possibly one big exception. They are generally like white Europeans, only that they maintain strong conservative cultural values. Most of the Indians I have known have a great admiration for whites and their culture and seek white spouses.
I have to agree with Jommy. The Indians I’ve known and worked with — all professionals — have all been quite likable and fairly competent. They do tend to exhibit the usual Asian amorality so inexplicable to us Westerners, but once you realize this you can take it into consideration. Of course, we get the cream of the crop here in the U.S. Oh, and I would never voluntarily go to an Indian physician, or any foreign-raised and -trained physician. But otherwise they’re just great!
…Most of the Indians I have known have a great admiration for whites and their culture and seek white spouses.
Well, this is a huge part of the problem, since we do not need to be “loved to death” through racial miscegenation (whether its with Blacks, Mestizo’s, or ‘Aryan’ (lol) Indians.
Please, we ‘inbred racist’ (hi Raj!) Honkies can be ‘admired’ from afar.
We have every right to preserve our racial genotype without anymore unecessary foreign admixture – regardless if that foreign element wishes to fancy (or kid themselves) that they’re ‘Aryans’.
Glen,
I’ve worked with/under Jews for 20 years in NYC, but only this summer with an Indian. You’re absolutely right; in fact, it’s only now, thinking about it, that I realize how absurdly over-entitled she was. Like many of them, she seemed to adapt quite well to the Valley Girl, Super Sweet 16 role like it was made for her.
Hey guys – What has happened to India (a land originally settled and tamed by Aryan)s) s) will one day happen to the US. Mark my words. I disagree with the essential premise of what Navi Pillay espouses, but do so not because she is Indian, or ugly, or comes from a “filthy country”. She is wrong, and Americans of all ethnic stripes have rights. No arguments there. But the kind of hateful vitriol that some of you are spouting instantly, and unequivocally, delegitimizes the causes this site, and KMac, promotes. Reading John Stonehouse’s and James O’Meara’s posts only strengthens the hand of those that seek to shut this website down for hatemongering. I see no such hate from KMac and other columnists, but guys in the peanut gallery better watch out. Your antics and immaturely smug posts only serve to highlight this blog as a sewer infested with inbred racists. Sure that wouldn’t help anyone’s ethnic interests now would it?
Hey guys – What has happened to India (a land originally settled and tamed by Aryan)s) s) will one day happen to the US. Mark my words. … @Raj
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Raj – What is your point here with your prediction? That we should in fact stop immigration if we want to avert what happened to India and the genetic swamping of it’s Aryan population?
@ KMac
The only really “jewish” Rudolf Arnheim quote I have been able to find:
“In a land of immigrants, one was not an alien but simply the latest arrival.”
Niva Pillay is ugly.
Dyed-in-the-bone, shrewish, nasty, cunning and vindictive ugly.
The Christian Science Monitor had a cover story recently on the global nature of illegal immigration. It states:
“Just as Americans want Mexicans out, Mexicans, who might be tolerant of their country as a passageway north to the United States, have no patience with the undocumented Guatemalans and Hondurans increasingly falling short of their destinations. Nor are their feelings of resentment unique. Around the world, the welcome mat for outsiders is being rolled up on a scale rarely seen in history as economies continue to struggle and worries about cultural identities rise.”
And until recently, Mexico had “…a long standing mandate that all authorities, federal or local, have to ask for migration papers when approached by foreigners and alert immigration officials of those [in Mexico] illegally – not unlike parts of the Arizona law that so riled Mexicans.”
The hypocrisy of the Mexican government is astounding, not to mention the contemptible hypocrisy of Obama, who stood not three feet from the Mexican president as he criticized the Arizona law.
@ Raj & Jommy
If Indians are so smart & aryan, why is India such a shithole? :) That’s the question most White Americans ask.
The Patel clan of motel-hotel fame is causing a lot of negative publicity for Indians. Buy a motel, and import half of the villlage back in India to run it. Some Patel groups are worse than others. Usually a local “Doctor” Patel is the leader of the local motel-hotel clan.
I like the Indians, and even the better Patels’, but, I would like you a lot better back in India.
Heck, I might even visit, if you cleaned your act up back in India.
Hey Tom – Like I said, the US is only a generation or two away from an Indian-like situation.
Every first generation of immigrants has been known to help its own and gather into ethnic enclaves in the US. Look at the Italians, the Jews, the Polish in Chicago, the Irish in South(ie) Boston, and more. And jokes are also par for the course – Patel Motel hahaha, Patel brings his village here…hahaha. Sure they get here, fleeing poverty. I grant you that. But the Patel analogy only goes so far.
The real comparison, if you are capable of logical thinking, is to see how second-generation Patels (or other Indians) assimilate and value their American citizenship. This after all is a site not devoted to shitting on countries, but to analyzing how different ethnic groups work within America and other Western countries.
Do the Indians actively work to undermine the dominant culture of America – No
Do the Indians force us to go to war to maintain a racist and ethno-nationlist distant foreign country? – No
Do second-generation Indians force the majority society to accept their religious values, garb, and ask for special accommodations – No
Do second-generation Indians generally whine about racism and demand quotas – No
Do they produce movies that shit on Christianity and indulge in revisionist history, and make a religion out of their historical suffering (and there is a lot: colonialism, 1000-yr long massacres at the hands of Central Asian and Persian Muslim maruaders)? – No
Are their traditional Hindu beliefs, the vedic bedrock of Indian philosophy that is, closer to proto-European paganism and nature worship ideas than is the vindictive desert God that most “judeo-Christians” [sic] worship and go to pointless wars for – YES
So, think about all this, and stop showing off your ignorant redneck side. Posts such as yours gives everyone on this website a bad name. Please desist.
Hey Tom – Like I said, the US is only a generation or two away from an Indian-like situation.
Yes, exactly Raj, that is why we have to stop immigration – for at least a couple of decades – especially from Third World countries.
Do the Indians force us to go to war to maintain a racist and ethno-nationlist distant foreign country? – No
The ‘Indian Lobby’ (which takes a lot of pointers from AIPAC) is doing their best to drag America in their conflict with Pakistan.
Well, the ones who get to the US are generally a cut above. There is a great deal of ethnic diversity within India proper, however. I don’t think Indians are smarter than Europeans on average, it’s just that they have their ducks in a row in terms of educational and cultural values. I believe they are closer to an ideal that we have drifted from.
Are you sure,that Navi Pillay is female? She,or should I say he,looks to me like a man dressed as woman. Even if she is male,he is ugly as death. And I suppose her or his psyche is of the same quality as her or his look.
The UN is one of the main problems that faces White-European countries.
The problem is that all European countries adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (drafted by the Jew Rene Cassin), which, along with other UN conventions, gives “everyone the right to migrate”.
The first step of every nationalist party should be to try to repeal every UN convention that gives non-Europeans the right to come to White countries.
The problem is that all European countries adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (drafted by the Jew Rene Cassin), which, along with other UN conventions, gives “everyone the right to migrate”.
I wonder if the wretched of the world have a “right” to immigrate to:
-India
-Japan
-China
or especially…
-ISRAEL?????
Please, do tell… .
I have to disagree. I have a great deal of experience working with Indians at all levels, and I have had overwhelmingly positive experiences with them, with possibly one big exception. They are generally like white Europeans, only that they maintain strong conservative cultural values. Most of the Indians I have known have a great admiration for whites and their culture and seek white spouses.
Could you please elaborate on the definition of “conservatism” since oriental and occidental conservatism are distinct entities. I am somewhat familiar with oriental conservatism as it is manifested in Confucianism, but I doubt Indian conservatism is derived from Confucian ideology. Perhaps you mean that Indians tend to eschew moral universalism for moral particularism (referenced in page 34-35) where a much greater emphasis is placed on the interests of one’s kin and other people’s interests are immensely discounted.
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African ‘infiltrators’ should live in camp,
Looks like the Reply button on Raj’s comment (10:22 am) has been removed. So, I shall reply a little further down this list.
What Raj calls “hateful vitriol” is simply the result of the world (in particular the Western world) being subjected to the morbid boasting, unabated pro-India propaganda, the unjustified sense of spiritual superiority universally claimed by overseas Indians … and most educated Indian’s tactic of milking Globalization in order to steal as many jobs from Westerners as they can, by hook or by crook. You reap what you sow, and the whirlwind against Indians and India has only just begun.
I am writing from personal, first hand experience. I started out with nothing but admiration for India, and for Indian people, but that changed after 10 years of negative, first-hand experiences (including having my travel luggage stolen by a Bombay hotel’s Concierge). Of course, India is highly complex and she is home to many different “nationalities” (including 24 languages) but sometimes generalities are more than sufficient. The 1998-2004 tenure of the BJP under Vajpayee (the “India Shining” media campaign) revealed the true, conspiratorial, and acquisitive nature of the nation we call ‘India’.
I have worked and travelled extensively in India (northern and southern states). I have also visited the Philippines, China, and most of the Middle East. Without a doubt, India is by far the filthiest and most backward country I have yet visited. Only if I went to Lagos, Nigeria, might I find worse conditions.
To be fair, North India is far worse than South India, but even in the South, you’ll find squalor and callousness that shakes your faith in humanity. In the north, the bulk of the ordinary population use the open spaces, parks, fields, and rivers as open latrines. Hence my use of the “filthy” label earlier. I lost count of the number of women (all decked out in colourful Saris) defecating in public. Many provincial railway stations are festooned with gangs of aggressive beggars … mostly children. The authorities do nothing. The contrast between the rich and poor in Bombay (Indians like to call it Mumbai) is beyond my ability to describe concisely. It makes you angry. It certainly made me angry. For example, I made a point of visiting the Taj Hotel, near the “Gate of India”, to see how the “other half” live. And worst of all, over 80 percent of all Indians continue to blame all their failures upon the British Raj. Talk about collective mental sickness!
I find it an affront to humanity to discover millions of duped Westerners are still sending charity monies to those hundreds of Registered (and unregistered) Charities operating throughout India, in the hope of improving the lot of the poor. Yet, while naive Westerners help with India’s “Social Services”, Delhi unashamedly invests literally Billions of Dollars towards the purchase of an Aircraft Carrier from Russia, squadrons of F-16 or Typhoon fighter aircraft, a fleet of submarines, and a Space Program that ISRO states will send probes to the Moon before 2015. India has even set up a military base in Ayni in Tajikistan which is costing $-millions. After 40 years of failures, India can’t even manage to save the Bengal Tiger! Its national icon.
I don’t call telling the truth about India “hate mongering”. I call it doing my duty for humankind!!! Tens of Billions of Dollars in Aid monies sent to India (both private and inter-governmental) between 1950 and 2005 and all it ever achieved was to make millions of Indian middle-men (and Women) rich while financing a never ending and obscene population boom: starting 1947, India’s population grew THREE TIMES BIGGER in just 60 years! Every other country in the world would be well advised to close their doors to Indians. The issuance of Travel and Entry Visas to all Indian Nationals should be very tightly controlled / rationed so they are all forced, for once, to live the consequences of their own childishness and corrupt, political failures.
India isn’t a country, it is an International Disaster Zone. I say again. We must all act to quarantine the sub-continent. Americans have it tough enough already trying to handle Mexico.
“Looks like the Reply button on Raj’s comment (10:22 am) has been removed. So, I shall reply a little further down this list.”
There was never any “reply” button because Raj’s comments at 10:22 am were a direct response to James O’Meara comments. Likewise, no one would be able to respond to this comment since it is a reply to your comment.
Hi Anglo-Saxon,
Had missed your earlier quote re. population. Just a nugget for you to consider – From 1942 to 2010, the US grew its population an obscene 2.34 times. Your point?
While the US’s quality of life has fallen (arguably) since the 1940′s, India’s has undoubtedly gone up. I think most of you feel that has come at your expense, and so the belly-aching, and the outright racial angst is understandable. But try not to conflate failed aid policies and bribery in the administration of aid $ with the spectacular rise in the middle-class. The wealth you are seeing in India now (albeit unevenly distributed and almost as badly in its inequality as the US) is not the result of siphoning off aid/charity money, nor is it just people getting fat off of donated dollars.
Most of the charitable giving that reaches India comes from fundamentalist Christian organizations, who are steadfast as ever in their mistaken view that Christianity is the answer to all the woes in the world. Missionaries are in India, as they are in Central America, trying to convert tribals. That’s where the $$ goes. The ads we see back here, showing filthy slums and dangerous playgrounds where innocent children play barefooted soccer, is designed to deceive. Americans think the money goes to alleviating social poverty, goes towards education and civic services. Most of the money goes into India’s tribal regions, where the natives are forced to accept the demented evangelical version of Christianity and bribed into doing so, with trinkets from Wal-Mart and other “western conveniences” such as candy, mouthwash and dentalfloss. It’s a cultural genocide, much like one this website is committed to calling out and resisting.
I wish your travels had imbued you with more sophisticated and nuanced powers of reasoning. It might have been arguing a point or two with you.
Hi Raj:
looking for solutions not just listing the problems, wouldn’t it be better for India to become a number of separate states ,such as the Republic of Tamil Nadu for Tamils, Khalistan for Sikhs, and so on, allowing each of India’s nationalities to follow its own path to freedom and prosperity. Isn’t the Indian Union itself (a legacy of the British Raj :) ) the real problem here?
An effective way, I think, to attack those demanding open borders in such places as the U.S. and Europe is to demand that Third World countries set an example by opening their borders. Ask those who demonstrate for open borders in the U.S. why they never go to the Mexican consulate and protest against Mexico’s tough immigration laws. Call them hypocrites. Try that on YouTube videos about immigration. These people don’t know what to say. It exposes that human rights is not the issue. Ethnic politics and self-interest are what the demonstrators are about.
Hi Philip:
its good to see a penguin kicking some ass here.You are so right, we always take an “only we are guilty” stance, when the rest of the world does exactly the same thing.
@ Raj
It’s not just the Patels’ and some of the curry smelling joints they run, and, the fast and loose way they play the American visa game. How about the group of filthy rich Hindoo Indians in the steel business, remember that “billion dollar” wedding not too long ago? :) This same group has your fellow Hindoo Indians living on garbage dumps outside their steel mills back in India. Pathetic.
You might as well get used to hearing about it Raj.
The best you can say, is we are not as bad as the Jews or Moslems. Also, pathetic.
Yes, I understand the border warfare between the Moslems and the Patel clan.
Tom,
I am not sure I understand you. Your point? The rich Indian steel business owner forces people to eat garbage?? And what border warfare are you referencing? Moslems and Patels fighting a border war – couldn’t find anything on Google.
Perhaps this is your way of saying that you lack an education. Point taken.
Indians are Brown Jews. Sorry Rah – it’s true.
We’d like you more if you went back to India. You are very into defending India. So go home. We don’t like you here. Go there. We’ll like you better there.
Welcome To India, Obama Sahib
I might add that Indians, shortly after the 1965 Act passed, in a group attempted to murder my uncle and cousin who were out on a Sunday brunch with my aunt and female cousin, over a parking spot!
My belief based on a lifetime of experience is that Indians are second only to Jews in danger to Whites. Just as Israel has nukes pointed at Rome and US targets so do the Indians plan.
I do BELIEVE in karma and these impostors will find out, one day, that when the Aryan god Shiva dances it is not something they will enjoyfor the Patels, the Chopras are STRANGERS to that pantheon.
@ Raj
I guess you want me to look up, and post pictures of Hindoo Indians living on garbage, and toxic waste dumps outside of Indian steel mills. There are hundreds of photos available on the internet—look ‘em up yourself. Google Indian garbage dumps, or Indian toxic waste dumps, or Indian steel mills, etc. rag pickers etc. they actually have women and children rooting around toxic waste dumps in India for a living.
Ask a Patel about it. LOL. They will be more than happy to tell you about their problems with the Moslems. ;)
Tom,
Have you been a housing project in Chicago, or NYC, or Cincinnati, or Washington DC. Minutes from the Union Station on 2nd Street NE is a “Catholic Charities” where the dregs and destitutes of humanity in this country – white, black, and otherss – sit around with bombed out looking eyes, drugged out of their minds.
Welcome to 21st America. BTW, didn’t see any Indians waiting around for a handout there. I guess curry garbage is better than “white bread” garbage.
Anyways, for all of you that have strenuously tried defended this website as “not promoting hate”, this thread must be a sad reminder of the reality that lurks within.
All it took was a person, with a psuednym of “raj” to bring out the mouth breathers and half-wits scuryying out of the closet. You guys assume I am this and I am that – personally attacking me, calling me names, etc. The best one is the one about pretending to “Aryans” – not sure who said it, the posts seem to get alphabetized so temporal chain hard to keep up… The Vedas, esp. the Rigveda which is over 4000 years old, uses the term arya, and the ancient name of early settlors in India is “Arya varta”. So, if anything, Europeans, after 1000 years of darks ages and countless wars usurping the term is the height of pathetic “search for meaning” and was a made-up history meant to unite the unwashed masses. So, don’t take too much pride in the title Aryans – it could be more of a burden that you are prepared to take.
Maybe the joke is on all of you, perhaps there are better ways to protect White interests than to get into dogfights with ghosts. Some of the posters, as expected, have been interesting. Others are just flyover country caricatures – playing their rule to a T.
KMac – Despite the filth that supports you, I do applaud the good work you are doing
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
Welcome to 21st America. BTW, didn’t see any Indians waiting around for a handout there.
Most Indians in America (crucial difference) don’t have to wait for ‘handouts’ in the street – since their ‘handout’ came earlier in the form of an H1B Visa.
Raj – can you debate some of us here without resorting to leftist-liberal shaming language and put-downs, like, for example the oh-so-original term ‘redneck’?
*I am sorry if some here insulted you personally – that certainly isn’t my style.
I knew a surgeon from Sri Lanka. He was a decent enough guy. He did however, say that Sri Lankans (and Indians) were “kind of like jews…” in that they were a tight knit community and valued education. Fortunately, he and his wife abstained from having kids.
Indians, Jews, ‘Overseas’ Chinese, et al, are, first and foremost, a Middleman Minority.
If you all don’t know what that fully means, be sure to look it up (Thomas Sowell has done some excellent research in this issue).
In all actuality, its the Middleman Minorities who are the most trouble economically, and the most incalcitrant culturally, especially for the receiving nation’s middle class, since ‘MM’s’ take a very disproportionate share of the economic resources that would naturally go to the indigenous people’s middle and merchant classes.
The best example, as already pointed out, is the ‘Patel motel-hotel’ mafia, which controls an enormous share of the hospitality business in the United States.
C’mon fellas – are we going to fall for the anti-White propaganda that native-born White Americans are too ‘stooopid’ to even run freakin’ hotels on their own.
Good Lord Almighty – we Whites put a man on the moon, so I don’t think we ‘need’ foreigners to run and take over our economy, and especially our economic niches, such as something so profitable as running/managing and especially owning a hotel or a motel — particularly in the recession/depression that WE are in (not the foreign interlopers).
@Reality Check
“The problem is that all European countries adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (drafted by the Jew Rene Cassin), which, along with other UN conventions, gives “everyone the right to migrate”.
I wonder if the wretched of the world have a “right” to immigrate to:
-India
-Japan
-China
or especially…
-ISRAEL?????
Please, do tell… .”
Well… YES!
If African immigrants would someday chose to go to China, Japan or Korea… these countries would have to accept them!
The problem is that no country can base its immigration laws exclusively on ethnic/racial principles as long as the UN conventions are in power… That is one of the main reasons why the US changed its immigration laws in 1965.
It is time we finally start to talk about the role of the UN in the decline of the West.
One never hears a peep about Americans abroad facing insurmountable hurdles getting working papers if they are not attached to a major corporation. The worst offender in implementing this injustice is the US government which provides little or no consular services on the matter.
Every work permit granted to an alien should be matched by a guaranteed issuance of a potential work permit to an American or the permit issued to foreign national of the recalcitrant party in the US should be revoked as direct retaliation. This is a normal policy for other nations.
But then other nations are not ruled by a hostile elite. Most governments are quite prickly about discrimination against their citizens. As the system works today All God’s Children have rights except Americans. This is a logical outcome of the unconcern that the rulers of the United States have for the founding stock.
For example the State Department yowls if Qatar refuses access to its markets to Israelis but looks the other way when similar actions are taken against Americans in Spain. This is what happens when a nation’s foreign policy has beeb hijacked by a group whose loyalty lies elsewhere.
Raj: “I see no such hate from KMac and other columnists, but guys in the peanut gallery better watch out. Your antics and immaturely smug posts only serve to highlight this blog as a sewer infested with inbred racists. Sure that wouldn’t help anyone’s ethnic interests now would it?”
Whoa there, Gunga Din. You need to stop threatening White people who find themselves alarmed and offended by the well-established tendency of your race to use our nations as convenient relief valves for its excess population and spread throughout our territory as aggressively, cohesively, and unassimilably as fire ants.
Raj: “Like I said, the US is only a generation or two away from an Indian-like situation.”
We’d better not be, or else.
BTW, there are quite a few scientific papers and websites concerned with the connections between Indians and Jews. E.g.,
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Hebrews-and-Vedic-Brahmins.php
From that page:
“Hence, there are several features which link Jews and Brahmins, indicating a common origin. From this M.M. Shukla and his followers would have the Jews descended from Vedic Brahmins, while the present author and other researchers would have the Brahmins descended from a “Lost Tribe of Israel”. Whatever the details, Shukla’s detailed researches assist in the establishment of a common origin of Jews and Brahmins. We may thus conclude with the words of the Enlightenment researcher Godfrey Higgins (1772-1833):
“Now, what am I to make of this? Were these Brahmins Jews, or the Jews Brahmins?” (“Anacalypsis”, Vol.I, p.771, cited in Matlock 2000, p.70)
More of that kind of action, we absolutely don’t need.
Eurodele – I could google search “Is there a human-monkey hybrid running loose?” and get hits that point to some of you posters here. But that doesn’t make such assertions any more credible. Does it?
The article you forwarded was laughable, and a stellar example of pseudoscience. The same kind of science that pretends that whites are a genetically monolithic race untouched by Huns, Tatars, Cossacks, Saxons, Jews, Blacks, Moors, and Vikings (long considered barbarians by Europeans), and others.
By selectively picking words in Sanskrit and looking for analagues in Hebrew, the “researcher” goes on to suggest Brahmins and Jews descend from each other. Oh really? There are also those that swear that Lithunanian and Sanskrit are so alike that if you air-dropped a Lithunanian peasant in the heart of Indian farmland, the peasants would each understand each other, just by speaking in their native tongues. So I guess Lithuanians and Indians descend from each other!
I think a lot of you here are frustrated by immigrants taking over your jobs, the unfair visa system, and outsourcing that has resulted in a sub-par economy. I share all your pain. But H1B’s make up less than 25% of all Indians here – there are now at least two generations of Indians born and raised here. I guess you all would deny them their ethnic interests. Hey, while you are doling out the ethnic interests pie, don’t forget our friends the Native Americans. Otherwise, you might see a pow-wow or a ‘Last Stand coming near you.
Peace out – you guys are pathetic. As long as every one here is in general agreement, yeah, whites are the victim, yeah whites are the best… all is well and the circle-jerk continues. The moment you sense disagreement, you guys go all pysho.
Professor Kevin MacDonald:
In the hands of Third World ideologues, what started out as the powerful, uniquely Western idea that people have rights against the state is in effect turned into the right to displace the people who created these societies.
It is indeed a uniquely Western idea (and one that do not hold in the highest regard), but one does have to remember that the Enlightenment was an apology for bourgeois values that benefited the interests of the interests of an educated merchant class at the expense of the entrenched aristocratic landowners and sectarian clergy. The philosophical movement of the Enlightenment was not specifically formulated to defend the interests of a racial group, but to enshrine the values of private property, industrious commerce, freedom from sectarian clergy, and freedom from the arbitrary whims of sovereign. It codified and legitimized the preferences of the bourgeoisie into abstract and supposedly self- evident “natural rights” and imposed a (universal) moral obligation to the state to actively defend those “rights”. As James Madison, a fervent Lockean liberal, during the Constitutional Convention in 1787 states with blunt candor the nation-state should “protect the minority of the opulent against the majority” and concomitantly expresses no empathy for “wants or feelings of the day laborer”. The historical context for Madison’s remarks is quite appropriate since Shays’ Rebellion in 1786-1787, an uprising of impoverished and indebted farmers who fought in the American Revolution with grievances against onerous property taxes and expropriation of their property, threatened the functioning legal system that enforced the elite’s claims to property (such as their right to be remunerated to their loans to the farmers) and their physical safety. The apparent urgency and crisis of the Rebellion illuminated the weakness of the Articles of Confederation to defend the property rights of the economic elite against the passionate masses and the necessity of a new Constitution that would endow the Federal Government new powers to defend the interests of the bourgeoisie. (The Federal Government was rendered otiose under the Articles; for example, it was unable to raise a standing army or collect taxes).
One could see the success and dominance of Madison’s political philosophy for a century by noting the travails of the farmers after the American Civil War when the government was unresponsive to their concerns and favored the interests of the bankers, landowners, and businessmen. Farmers suffered through deflation which was the consequence of the Federal Government retiring the greenbacks (which can be used to satisfy one’s tax obligations) used to finance the Civil War, the gold standard that severely limited the minting of silver coins, and falling prices for agricultural commodities, making it encumbering to service a debt with a fixed nominal principle and interest rate. Furthermore, farmers had to purchase expensive domestically produced farm equipment that was protected from foreign competition.
The point was not to put a disproportionate amount of the blame on Enlightenment values as that would be utterly inaccurate – it is just to point of that the Enlightenment provided no mechanism for the defense or affirmation of racial or ethnic interests, perhaps because the founders did not see blacks and Native Americans as a bourgeoning political threat to their interests. As Professor Kevin MacDonald is fond of pointing out, the transcendentalists of the early 19th Century embodied universal values that were incongruent with the “natural” predilection for favoring the interests of one’s kin. Furthermore, he does note that conscious, explicit processing that consumes “general” working memory resources can override our ethnocentric proclivities, especially when the ideology of moral universalism (even if it is maladaptive) is propagated and reinforced through the medium of culture such as educational system and media. A sincere acceptance of moral universalism requires the acceptance and comprehension of abstract moral principles and a conscious rejection of our natural ethnocentric tendencies which is cognitively demanding because this involve the utilization of working memory resources as working memory capacity is a limiting factor of one’s general intelligence. Therefore, it is not surprising that Satoshi Kanawaza (by no means politically correct) reports that liberals are generally more intelligent than conservatives. (He defines “liberals” as those who express a strong interest for the material welfare of people beyond their kin group which the definition excludes blacks and Hispanics for vote for the Democratic Party to benefit from economic redistribution since it is obvious that political action). As further corroboration, Ian Deary et al. noted that childhood general intelligence has a stronger correlation (r=.45) with accepting “liberal”, non-traditional values (antiracism, social liberalism, political trust, and pro-working women, ) than education (r=.23) (which is correlated to general intelligence (r=.31)).
http://www.asanet.org/images/journals/docs/pdf/spq/Mar10SPQFeature.pdf (Satoshi Kanazawa)
http://www.psy.ed.ac.uk/people/iand/Deary%20%282008%29%20Psychological%20Science%20iq%20enlightenment.pdf (Ian Deary)
nice statement population is a world wide problem. we as humans dump almost everything we do not want, need, like, have too many of,[you get the picture]… this includes people … we do not like for others to obtain or gain what we want or desire ,, [that's mine attitude] so when new/different people come in it creates more mouths to feed, more kids to educate, more families to house,[etc.] before modern times people were able to imgrate to less populated areas …. we have less flexiblity in this day … the need for the mind rather than the emotions to preveal in solveing the prombles is key to our survival …… just my opinion have a good day
With so much third-world immigration annually into the US why hasn’t the white majority become more proactive to stem the tide? Besides joining NumbersUSA or Alipac and joining Tea Party forces what other avenue is there to vent? With the Jewish lobby firmly entrenched in politics and mass media, what alternatives are there to combat such measures? And with the majority of Americans against such immigration and voicing their concerns, key politicians ignore their plea and try to enact further legislation for more massive immigration. Furtheremore the banking sector such as the World Trade Organization, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, US Agency for International Development etc,. also support massive third-world immigration.
I guess after decades of softening the masses via the media and deceitful legislation as the Emmanuel Celler Act that opened the door to massive immigration, it may take just as much time for opposition to arise.
Stephan … it was the Hart-Celler Act.
This pernicious legislation abolished nation-of-origin restrictions. It came into effect on June 30, 1968. The co-sponsor, Philip Aloysius Hart was a ‘Democrat’ Senator from Michigan, who was known by the nicknamed the “Conscience of the Senate”, and an Attorney by profession.
During debate on the Senate floor, Senator Edward Kennedy said this about the anticipated effects of the Hart-Celler Act:
“First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…. Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset…. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia…. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think…. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”
Emanuel Celler was a native of Brooklyn and of mixed German Catholic and Jewish heritage. He made his first important speech on the House floor during consideration of the Johnson Immigration Act of 1924. Celler was vehemently opposed to the Johnson act, which imposed a quota that limited immigration for persons of any nationality to 3 percent of that nationality present in the United States in 1910, with an annual admission limit of 356,000 immigrants.
This 1924 national origin quota system was structured to preserve the ethnic and religious status quo of the United States by reducing immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe, thereby excluding many Jews, and riffraff from Southern Italy (Mafiosi).
And with the majority of Americans against such immigration and voicing their concerns
It is indeed correct that a majority of Americans are against immigration, but the real question concerns the depth of their opposition? In other words, does immigration consume deeply consume their political interests and do the electorate regard it as a primary issue? They may hold other issues with higher priority such as job security and compensation, trade, taxation, social security, the affordability of health care, and housing. Of course, immigration (especially unskilled) does influence many of the aforementioned issues in ways that negatively affect the material welfare of most Americans (even the present Hispanics and African-Americans). Certainly, increased immigration would lower their wages by increasing the unskilled labor supply as Hispanic immigrants do not occupy a specific economic niche as they just general manual laborers. Since most of these Hispanic immigrants are net consumers of scarce resources, most importantly land and medical services (which are mostly provided by highly intelligent professionals), this would increase rents and exacerbate the financial burden of families and the government to defray for medical services. Needless to say, the presence of foreigners is often accompanied by increase opposition to government redistribution and social trust.
Aki,
It is not just low-skilled (and low-IQ) groups that affect the average American and his concern over immigration — it is, moreso, high(er)-skilled groups that are a challenge to the jobs and resources of middle-class (and those aspiring to move up the class hierarchy) Americans.
As well, many non-White elite groups in this country often have very insular communities that seems to support themselves on a largely and predominantly cash basis, making it often hard to collect their share of the tax base for the local and municipal governments — leaving the disproportionate share up to the White ‘gentile’ middle class to support the System and it’s infrastructure.
The only non-white elite groups are Jews and East Asians.
I do not think East Asian immigration is extremely inimical to the current white majority since they are less ethnocentric, psychologically intense, and aggressive than Jews. Of course, this does not mean that I am recommending unlimited high-skilled immigration; I am just pointing out that the presence of a minority East Asians does not risk the prospect of white dispossession because they are not fecund or heavily involved in politics (or utilized as the pawns of well-financed and politically astute activists).
But economically, low-skilled whites (and blacks) would benefit from the presence of highly-skilled Asians: it would increase the supply of professional services where low-skilled labor are net consumers and consequently causes the price of those services to decline, and the presence of more professionals would increase the demand for services provided by the working classes such as roofing and plumbing.
I would like to see evidence that a significant proportion of the transactions in Asian-American and Jewish communities are done in cash.
The only non-white elite groups are Jews and East Asians.
Aki,
No, don’t forget Asian Indians, some Arab and Muslims, as well as some various West Asian groups mistaken for White.
Secondly, they are not all elites (particularly socially), but they do have a disproportionate amount of wealth and resources at their disposal that many native-born White Americans do not.
I know what you and others may be thinking at this point – that the Asians, Indians and Jews all ‘earned’ it in a supposedly ‘open’ and ‘fair’ system — and/or that native-born White Americans are ‘dullards’ (again, not that you necessarily think or feel this way Aki).
Like I mentioned before, much of the non-White groups in America deemed ‘elites’ are primarily ‘Middleman Minorities’ that compete and (often unfairly) displace many middle class and aspiring people in the countries that host them.
This of course does not mean that all members of these groups are opponents or enemies of traditional Euro-America, just that a disproportionate share of them take a disproportionate share of resources — most unfortunately in one of the worst recession/depressions in White America’s history.
As mentioned, pre-1965 White America was able to put a man on the moon — so there is no reason to think that we cannot run our own businesses and economies without heavily turning them over to any foreign-born group.
I would like to see evidence that a significant proportion of the transactions in Asian-American and Jewish communities are done in cash.
Aki,
Although the evidence for this is largely anecdotal, I must say that growing up near a very large Korean and a very large Orthodox Jewish community that I can attest to the fact that many of the businesses in their area is notorious for being overwhelmingly cash-oriented.
Most of the stores in these communities as well really frown upon ‘outsiders’ from patronizing or even coming in their establishments – with once even a Chinese-American girl telling me that she was asked to leave a Korean store when they figured she wasn’t a Korean (since she didn’t speak their language).
Monteray Park, California and Palisades Park, New Jersey are particularly known for the hyper-ethnocentrism, at least when it comes to retail establishments, of (largely) Korean (and sometimes Chinese) diaspora communities.
With Jews, just go to Monsey, New York and see how that area is a complete Jewish enclave – probably more so than your typical West Bank settlement.
*Another bit of anecdotal evidence for the cash-only angle: When I worked in the past for a high-end watch and jewelry store, so many of the foreign-born Asians, Indians and Jews would virtually always make a substantial purchase with cash – rarely would you see one of them using a credit card.
The Federal Government can force the hiring of non-Whites, and they do!
For example, the Federal Government recently ordered a high- tech machine company in Cincinnati, Ohio to hire 14 non-White entry level machinists. These may not require a phd in Asian, or African studies, but, they are highly skilled jobs that pay top dollar wages, and benefits.
I doubt that most phd’s, even most graduate engineers, can do the math a machinist has to do! If you take too much off, you can’t put it back on. LOL.
In simple terms the machine company was told to hire 14 non-Whites or else.
That’s the way it is folks.
“more professionals would increase the demand for services provided by the working classes such as roofing and plumbing. ”
So you think plumbing is low-skill. I see. So, when your house blows up because you hired a low-skill plumber to install your natural-gas-fired furnace, I hope you’re not in it. I hope you’re on a plane with all back to Chindia where you crawled out from.
I am not an apologist for the immigration of “high-skilled” labor; I just tentatively stated that they might have benign effect on the economy (if they are not politically active).
I think my remark about plumbers being “working class” is fairly accurate — it is inaccurate to say that plumbers are unskilled laborers as they are skilled labors. Relatively speaking, professions such as law, medicine, and engineering have higher social status than plumbers.
Hey, I know!
All those vaunted Chindian professionals who stand to provide such benefit to our underclass, instead of bringing you here to them, let’s send them over there to you.
I’m hearing crickets.
“…and the presence of more professionals would increase the demand for services provided by the working classes such as roofing and plumbing.”
Ha ha ha! What you are really saying is that professionals are high-maintenance and tradespeople should be grateful for their presence.
Doesn’t sound like a stable or viable society to me; not for long, anyway.
I know what you and others may be thinking at this point – that the Asians, Indians and Jews all ‘earned’ it in a supposedly ‘open’ and ‘fair’ system — and/or that native-born White Americans are ‘dullards’ (again, not that you necessarily think or feel this way Aki).
I do not think of immigration in terms of merit; instead, I think in terms of the utility of the native-born countrymen, especially the working classes. Jews, Indians, and Asians may “merit” their places in United States, but that does not mean that they have necessarily contribute positive utility to society. To me, it is unambiguous that low-skilled immigration contributes negative utility to the American economy, especially in the context of the current economic situation. As for high-skilled immigration, I do not hold a strong position on it, but I tentatively assume it could possibly have a benign effect. One negative effect of high-skilled immigration is that it discourages talented native-born Whites from entering fields such as engineering and computer science (or science in general) although the primary threat for people in these occupations is NOT the physical presence of immigrant workers, but outsourcing.
It is undeniable that some native-born White Americans are “dullards”: a racial group with an IQ of 99 and a standard deviation of 15 would have some “dullards” if we define “dullard” as a person with an IQ lower than 90. But I do fervently believe that immigration policy should protect the interests of this group by restricting unskilled immigration.
It is undeniable that some native-born White Americans are “dullards”: a racial group with an IQ of 99 and a standard deviation of 15 would have some “dullards” if we define “dullard” as a person with an IQ lower than 90. But I do fervently believe that immigration policy should protect the interests of this group by restricting unskilled immigration.
Aki,
Yes, of course that that some native-born White Americans are absolute dullards, just as there are dullards among any race, including East Asians. The difference is, as I mentioned to Raj, is that Whites have a greater standard dviation in IQ levels than among nearly any other race, ie, there is more of a gap between the bright and the not-so-bright among Whites – but still, we have plenty of high-IQ among our race to qualify and fill those jobs and niches without the need to import foreign-born workers.
*As an aside, it is also important to recognize that Whites, both here in America and abroad, are not a homogeneous group, but rather, a collection of ethnic groups that differ in IQ levels (with the average being between 99-103 in the global aggregate of all White ethnic groups combined). In other words, it is odd that when IQ is measured and compared, it is for Whites as a whole (Northern, Southern and Eastern Euros – all of whom are ethnically different and have differing IQ levels) against select groups of non-Whites, such as Ashkenazi Jews, or East Asians, never Jews (Sephardic) or Asians (South) as a whole.
Indians have been expert at deploying the discourses of the academic Left to scam the white man. The word ‘racist’ is on the tip of their tongue at all times. Which is ironic given that they invented institutionalised racism in the form of the caste system, and that skin bleaching is a multi-billion dollar industry in India. Also given that they commonly regard Africans as scarcely human. A few years ago an Australian cricketer of part-African origin had to endure monkey noises from the crowds everwhere he went.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/symonds-racially-abused-yet-again/2007/10/17/1192300859647.html
Remember these are the same types who scream ‘racist’ to any whites who object to their country being swamped with migrants from the sub-continent.
I believe a significant percentage (if not a majority) of whites in the US are aware of the deadly peril of third-world immigration. And the number will only grow as our terminally-ill economy continues its slide into the abyss.
Only in largely white countries has such a thing occurred to any great extent, as far as I can see. Tolerance is a white thing. And ever more tolerance by whites is demanded by those from intolerant cultures. Hence, the hypocrisy I mentioned earlier.
Re: to Reality Check
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>>>Most Indians in America (crucial difference) don’t have to wait for ‘handouts’ in the street – since their ‘handout’ came earlier in the form of an H1B Visa.>>
Just wanted to clarify that an H1B visa a work permit, the operative word being *work*. Not a handout.
A handout would be the countless Whites whom I have seen sit at home canning tomatoes collecting disability pay at the ripe-old age of 36-40. Didn’t realize character flaws qualified as a disability. Maybe they need to re-do the ADA.
Reality – You asked that I respond to you, and you further clarified that personal attacks is not your style, so I bothered to write back. You see, most of the narrative on this website (not including the editor and other writers) is one of blaming. Blame, blame, blame.
Why are Whites not well-represented in media? Blame the “jewish cabal”
Why are Whites not working in factories anymore? Blame outsourcing
Why are Whites not to be seen as farmhands? Blame Mexicans
Why are White women not having children? Blame the pop culture for reinforcing negative self-images and attacks on motherhood!
Why are Whites divorcing at such large rates? Pop-culture, and the venal, feminist legal system…
Why are White children not doing well in math & science? Blame the Chinese and Indian kids in schools across America…
Why is White America on a decline? Blame the jewish “elite”
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I could go on and on.
So, in effect, White America is 100% blameless, and is such an hapless victim at the hands of forces and peoples way beyond their control. So you Kipling wannabes, and others that shat their pants at Tim Wise’s hate-filled tirade, is it any wonder that all this makes Whites look just a little too limp-wristed? Is it any wonder, with all the blaming and scapegoating, that those of us who really support ethnic interests for Whites, feel that the whole race is a lost cause?
Think about it guys, and read Kutirgic’s post from a few months ago. Promoting one’s interests need not be a maudlin, blame-filled, at-times hateful, mocking, and abject pity party. The pot’s overflowing guys, and the stink is unbearable.
Go stuff yourselves with turkey cranberry, and beer. No worries. There’s always Jewish doctors who can perform liposuctions. Isn’t it nice to be in America?
Wake up.
Just wanted to clarify that an H1B visa a work permit, the operative word being *work*. Not a handout.
Raj,
It is still a form of Affirmative Action – taking a job from a native-born American and giving it to a foreigner.
Let’s go over some of your other points -
Why are Whites not well-represented in media? Blame the “jewish cabal”
Most certainly correct on this point (and I am sure that you agree Raj that the Jews control not only the American media, but much of the rest of the world’s as well.
Why are Whites not working in factories anymore? Blame outsourcing
Are you going to kid us – and most importantly, yourself – that outsourcing is some kind of myth? Go to Gary, Indiana, or Flynt, Michigan and try to argue this with a straight face.
Why are Whites not to be seen as farmhands? Blame Mexicans
Cheap labor, especially cheap farm labor, destroyed so much of the ability of the native-born to earn anything less than a poverty wage.
Why are White women not having children? Blame the pop culture for reinforcing negative self-images and attacks on motherhood!
You said it so perfectly here my friend.
Why are Whites divorcing at such large rates? Pop-culture, and the venal, feminist legal system…
Again, your spot-on.
Why are White children not doing well in math & science? Blame the Chinese and Indian kids in schools across America…
Here Raj you are on to something more tangible. Plenty of White children are doing well in math, science and other subjects, but you have to understand that there is a pretty big standard deviation in the IQ levels of the broad, amorphous groups that makes up ‘White’ America, so of course this will be reflected in their academics. In other words, the Chinese and Indian kids, *in America*, are rather homogeneous, or at the very least, come from the more elite groups in their country of origin, and this is reflected as well in their academic performance.
Why is White America on a decline? Blame the jewish “elite”
Redundant, since we all seem to agree that this is the case (and I presume you do as well if you are congratulating KMac for the work he does).
Again Raj, I am sorry if some others here insulted you, since you do seem to be a decent fellow, and I appreciate the discussion. I guess that is the problem a lot of times, in that we as individuals see or read something that offends us or our ethnic group and we feel compelled to lash out and strike back (I suppose I somewhat felt that way initially – and I will be more careful to be respectful to any and all that come here and want to discuss things civilly).
After all, whoever comes to this site, whatever their race, cannot be that bad, and certainly are well above-average in intelligence ;)
Hey Raj – Why is it that if Indians are so hard-working and industrious and law-abiding, and whites are so fat and lazy and criminal, then Indians will do ANYTHING to live in a society created by these very selfsame whites while most whites would rather die than live in India?
The fact is that Indians have been INCAPABLE of creating a society that Indians (or anyone) would actually want to live in, while us lazy stupid whites have created a society that EVERYONE wants to live in.
If a nation is a product of its people any rational person would have to conclude that there is something seriously wrong with the Indian people. That being so, why would you expect Westerners to be happy to accept millions of migrants from this part of the world?
Of course all populations vary greatly but studies (Rushton, Lynn etc.) show that with a mean IQ of 85, the average Indian immigrant is a liability to any receiving country. Mass sub-continental immigration can only have a dygenic effect on prodominantly white societies with a mean IQ of 100.
I know what India is like and I don’t BLAME Indians for wanting to escape that filthy toilet bowl of a nation. But I do BLAME the elites (JEWISH and WHITE) that have inflicted multiculturalism on us. I also blame the bulk of my own people for accepting this invasion so meekly.
Raj
November 24, 2010 – 10:41 pm
“You see, most of the narrative on this website (not including the editor and other writers) is one of blaming. Blame, blame, blame.”
“Why are Whites not well-represented in media?” “Blame the “jewish cabal”.”
Well,I would like to share something with you,Raj.Here’s a video of one of your fellow Indians (oddly enough a Bollywood film producer also named Raj) voicing his anger over jewish owned and controlled Hollywood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgt2J54iZOQ&feature=player_embedded
And I found the following article very enlightening regarding the ill effects of third world Indian immigration on White nations,specifically the US.Here’s an excerpt: “High-tech insider Tom Stern says: ‘Indians are generally nice people. But when your company starts hiring them, you know the end is near. It’s like the early stages of cancer. Within one year, all of our wages were driven down by 45%. Big business is bringing over Indians for the sole purpose of pushing down American salaries.’ …Many complain that this may be the end of Western economies, as they are slowly transformed into Third World economies. Journalist Brian Watson comments: ‘It is no coincidence that Jean Raspail, author of the conservative classic Camp of the Saints, selected East Indians to lead the invasion of the West. Indians are best equipped to infiltrate and bring down Western countries – and they can do it with an obsequious smile.’”
http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=1290
Funny, I see all the blame running in the opposite direction. The white man of the West is blamed for: slavery, genocide of Injuns, the Holohoax, climate change, buying blood diamonds, dependency theory, the Incas’ pox, apartheid, indifference to dead Rwandans, etc. Black Africans killing black Africans…you guessed it, it’s Uncle Whitey’s fault. It’s all summed up by Jewess Susan Sontag’s charge that the white race is the cancer of human history. White nationalism, which many at this site favor, isn’t about blame, it’s about separation from peoples who so detest us yet can’t seem to live without us.
Raj: “I could google search ‘Is there a human-monkey hybrid running loose?’ and get hits that point to some of you posters here.”
Come on now, Gunga Din – suck it up and tell the truth about your lineage.
According to the respected journal Genome Research, Brahmins are distinguished from lower-caste Indians by degree of genetic overlap with central Asians, i.e., Khazars. After all, it’s just like the Ashkenazim to lay down a slime trail to India, sleaze and brown-nose their way into the upper classes, and permanently contaminate the Indian genome with faux-Kosher DNA. Just as might be expected, its distribution more or less matches the concentration of money and privilege, same as always.
But it doesn’t matter anyway, because even if this were not the case, Jews and Indians are like peas in a pod. Observers have been noting their behavioral and attitudinal affinities for hundreds of years, and the poor White Americans forced to deal with Hindu immigrants know many of those similarities at first hand…extreme class-consciousness, intense ethnocentrism, marked psychological aggression, and a level of self-entitlement that is nothing short of insane given how little most of them actually bring to the table in the way of talent and ability. In every part of the world, Indian immigrants are known not for service to their host society, but for wheeling, dealing, haggling, and middling. It’s enough to make any worthwhile citizen sick to his stomach.
Come on now, wouldn’t you feel better going back home and opening a curry joint or learning to charm cobras or something? That way, you wouldn’t have to bellyache so much about American “racism”.
Just trying to be helpful.
@ eurodele … I am certain you won’t be surprised when I tell you the high decibel rantings and hysterical outbursts from our resident Sadu is very, very typical. I have witnessed this same passionate grandstanding at several other Forums, including English newspapers, the Gulf News (UAE), and the Asia Times Online (AToL). You have to laugh at the mentality of someone whose comments are peppered with diktats, ad hominems, and pre-packaged psycho-babble.
FILTHY Indian Photos – Warning !!!! Very disgusting
Make sure you don’t eat while viewing, and prepare to close page quickly.
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
Dot’s nice.
I had to turn it off.
@Aki
I’m not impressed with East Asian “smarts” in general; I’m yet to encounter an East Asian who I thought was “smart” in terms of creative solutions, or inventive thought.
I will say that the Japanese are straight line thinkers, and we can learn from them in this regard. The Japanese set a goal and try to get there by the most direct route with the least amount of effort.
I have lived in Singapore, Japan and the ROK. Those societies are technologically advanced, peaceful, stable and livable. Tokyo, Seoul and Singapore are livable in a way that no city in the US or Canada is. They know what they’re doing. Seoul and Tokyo have very healthy, family-centric and interesting street/youth cultures.
We could learn much from them. Though, jews don’t look like them so they don’t have judiac societies.
Take a look at a map of the Seoul or Tokyo subway systems to see what a forward thinking, sane society can build for the benefit of her people.
FTA: “Among those rights is the right to migrate wherever they want–effectively saying that in fact states have no right to control their borders.”
If states have no right to control their borders, then, in turn, neither does anyone have a right to private property or security in their homes.
Suggestion: Find the richest person in favor of open borders who lives close to you and squat on his/her property. If states have no rights to secure their borders, then, logically, neither do individuals.
Reality Check -”Raj” is NOT a “nice fellow”. He’s an arrogant, tempera-MENTAL, childish jerk, that throws Turd World hissy fits, at the slightest rebuke to his nonsense. (Raj may well be a Kosher Troll. If he is a Dothead, however – his cheap emotional hystrionics reveal the similarities to the Yids. Yikes. He’s doing the same hissing and spitting routine that they do!)
Raj – go take some acting lessons. Your histrionics are not worthy of a class of Kindiegarteners. You need to improve. and gwt a lot more sophiticated, if you are going to try and work this crowd. Screw off, in the meantime. Go gargle some curry. and make Slurpee’s at -your Uncle Sanjay’s 7-11, so you can earn some money to help with your sister’s Elephantisis treatment. She got that nasty condition from bathing in your “sacred” Ganges, downriver from the bloated dead bodies. Cause tossing dead bodies to rot in the main water supply is really “superior ” and “spiritual”.
Ciaran,
That was the best hissy fit of all. Most likely, you are an unemployed White, angry because your girlfriend (if you ever had one) left you for a Jewish or Indian fellow.
You come here for succor, with all of your sub-99 IQ, expect to be coddled and tolerated. But when someone challenges the collective, self-pitying here, you feel the heat and lash out. With Whites like you, who needs anyone else to bring down the overall IQ.
Reality Check – Look, we can all disagree but surely you see the hatred directed at groups, countries, other people’s food, etc. The bulk of the responses to my posts have been simple namecalling – turd, childish… Not one person had the decency, or the brainpower, to eschew the namecalling. Isn’t this what you guys routinely accuse other groups of doing? The irony is too obvious to even point out.
Peace out.
I’m in agreement with Raj. There simply is no comparison to the scorched earth of the jews. Indians do not advocate for wars. They do NOT spit on Jesus. They are ethno-centric, but so am I. They are no threat to anything.
500 million people in India use the side of the road to relieve themselves. Don’t flatter yourself, we did just find before Jews brought third world people like you into our homeland. Why not go home and fix your own problems?
Brian – I am starting to lose my patience with this name-calling. The surest sign of someone losing an argument is name-calling, “asking someone to go back to your own country”, and lifting the worst stereotypes from Simpsons to form your view of a country 10,000 mile away.
Why didn’t your ancestors from Ireland, Germany, England, Hungary, or wherever else in war-torn, feudal, famine-stricken Europe fix their shit before they embarked on a massacre and displacement and dispossession on a scale never known to man, all under the guise of “settling a continent” and a neocon-like lie called “manifest destiny”? Perhaps they should have stayed on and left what is now known as the US to the Native Americans.
Look it’s easy to pig out on White Castle burgers, sit on your laptop with a wife-beater, and start throwing out insults, cloaked in the anonymity of the Web. So do it, but doesn’t make you any less convincing if you simply went back to your trailer and shut up.
As to the comment re. the Jews, if Whites are so weak so as to let a tiny miniscule 1.5% of the population displace them, then I doubt if there is going to be any hope for us when 2.5 billion Indians and Chinese come bearing nukes, and drive up demand for resources and commodities worldwide. Self-congratulatory posts on these groups will certainly not help in the face of the coming onslaught.
By acting like school yard bullies, you guys bring shame to your race. Come on, let’s raise the level of debate here.
“There simply is no comparison to the scorched earth of the jews. Indians do not advocate for wars. They do NOT spit on Jesus. They are ethno-centric, but so am I. They are no threat to anything.”
Johann, I think you need to take a look at those pictures on the page linked by ak:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
If that doesn’t look like a “threat” to you, then I’m afraid you’re just not thinking straight. What they’ve done there, they could easily do here if we’re foolish enough to allow it.
@ Anglo Saxon
Thanks for the heads-up.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! Let’s all try to make sure that in a few short years, we still have something for which to be thankful.
Yeah, so we all must believe a Chinese rant now. They pick a place, and take a 1000 pictures, and have their “netizens” (Chinese govt. agents posing as web surfers) comment.
I wonder how the good old USA would have looked had someone took shots of the New Orleans Superdome after Katrina! One particular picture still haunts me – tthere was a corpse on a wheel-chair that “looked on” as fat women sniped over free food and a mattress. There was shit everywhere. So, let’s not get all holier than thou, and ignore the crap in our own backyard. Also, as long as I continue to be accused of using pre-packaged phrases – Pride does come before a fall. I would hate to see us fall.
Back to the Chinese govt. website you forwarded – It’s a propoganda war, which goes back to the 1962 war with India. India lost that war, and hence the overt attempts to set the military imbalances. All the arms and nuke acquisitions are directed at China, not Pakistan as idiots here would naively believe. All, countries like India are on the upswing, and we, on the other hand, are on the decline. By resting on our past glories, by pooh-poohing the achievements of the rest of the world, blinded by racial hatred, some of you here are the poster-children of decline. Arrogant, hateful, and worst of all, not very smart.
A Sanskrit saying for the Holiday – “Vinaasha Kaale Vipiritha Buddhi”. Look it up.
No, I’m sorry. I do not regard people living in filth in India as a threat.
I regard as a threat the judiacs and their sending my people to kill and die for them. I regard their usurious currency as a threat. I regard their degenerate, vile, nihilistic and disgusting culture as a threat.
Stay focused.
Raj,
They’re coming for you too. Once we’re exhausted as has been Russia the jews will move on to India. Will India be fighting wars with Egypt for Indian Values in 2040?
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/spages/730443.html
Why didn’t your ancestors from Ireland, Germany, England, Hungary, or wherever else in war-torn, feudal, famine-stricken Europe fix their shit before they embarked on a massacre and displacement and dispossession on a scale never known to man, all under the guise of “settling a continent” and a neocon-like lie called “manifest destiny”?
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Thus speaketh Raj and he is correct, I am sorry to say. I’ve asked myself that question so many times – what the hell is WRONG with us that we run away from problems instead of fixing them? I’d say it’s our own cowardly, opportunistic, greedy leaders (kings & queens just for starters). Of course this doesn’t change the fact that the nonwhite peoples from every corner of this godforsaken earth also like to head for the new world, in spite of hating its majority population – hey, please understand I’m not naming anyone specific here :)
If every single non-white, non-gentile person were to leave my European ancestral home, I’d leave this shit hole called North Amerika in a heartbeat and go back to where I belong. We are still reaping the whirlwind for what our people did to the “abo” peoples and it looks like it’s never going to stop.
@ Barkingmad …
You have internalized far too much guilt my brother, and you need to snap out of it. If you refuse to, I shall punch you square on the chin, lay you flat, and by the time you come around we will all hope and pray you’ve gotten back to your senses! As I say … snap out of it my friend. Grow some god-dammed backbone and learn about the vagaries of human nature before your taken for any more rides.
Certainly, what you have written does describe what happened in the distant past, but only at a very shallow level. Looks like you have a great deal of quiet and studious reading to do. And I do hope you will do your best to make an early start!
Let’s forget all about the Pilgrims for a moment, except to say they left England to escape severe religious persecution. I wouldn’t necessarily call that “running away”, would you?
A very high proportion of the early arrivals in the American Colonies were actually Indentured Labourers, or to put it bluntly … they were White SLAVES. The southern colonies (starting with Virginia and all those beneath it) were initially Penal Colonies, in exactly the same way Australia was when it got started. Indeed, the discovery of Australia, and its early conversion into a Penal Colony ended the use of America’s Southern States for that purpose!
Next time you think of Sugar Fields in America’s South, and the picking of Cotton … tell yourself that that work was actually started in North America by WHITE Slaves, and NOT by Black. The Black Slaves came much later.
One of the reasons for the adoption of African Slaves (they were first purchased and shipped to Charleston from the Caribbean, and not from Africa) was the existence of large numbers of Jewish Slave Merchants operating out of Rhode Island. Another reason was that the Black Slaves had partial immunity to Malaria, which the Whites obviously did not have. If you are shocked by this information, then well and good. It just goes to show what you have yet to learn.
Therefore, my White Brother, you owe NO apology to no-one. There is not one single apology you owe to anyone for historical misdeeds (real or perceived). All that we ended up wrongly doing to others we also have had done to us. That’s no excuse of course, but for you to think and write in terms of exclusive White Guilt is a crime that will no longer be tolerated. You got that brother?
As for this rancid, hysterical clown, signing himself ‘Raj’ (which in Hindi means “King”) who has greatly lowered the tone of debate in this thread, I do believe you would do well to ask yourself, Barkingmad, why an Indian National should be vigilantly attending this website: expressly designed for those intimately connected with “White Identity, Interests, and Culture.”
Sounds a bit fishy doesn’t it? What might be the real motives for someone as mentally aggressive as he to endlessly comment here?
If you scroll up a little, you will see a comment posted by “Raj” (1:58 pm) that begins with this piece of b*llsh*tting bravado:
“Brian – I am starting to lose my patience with this name-calling. The surest sign of someone losing an argument is name-calling …”
Now, if you have time to spare, you can read all of “Raj’s” other comments (there are many) and count for yourself the number of times he has initiated name-calling! His lack of manners, his complete lack of good grace, and his obvious contempt for us do not belong here at this Occidental Observer website.
If this puerile upstart does not desist from commenting here soon, I shall be contacting the Webmaster of this site to have his IP address blocked, and any other attempts by him to comment here deleted.
Raj
The issue with regards to 2nd wold immigration is traditional western cultural continuity — that is, if 500 million Indians, for example, move to the West, that cultural tradition will be destroyed. Often continuity is expressed as ‘genetic’ or ‘racial’ continuation among members here. That’s, in part, because an admittedly superficial objective frame of thinking is part of our cultural way of seeing (Refer to Nisbett and Masuda, 2003. Culture and point of view); that is, ‘race,’ or our perception of objective existence as a people, is part of our cultural spirit; that might seem odd, but the traditional West never explored the subjective side of being in the way other great traditions did (Hindu, Chinese) — so, Christianity apart, that’s what we have as a “spiritual” identity, one dimensional as it might be. To quote Jung:
“This restriction to the so-called material or concrete reality of objects perceived by the senses is a product of a particular way of thinking-the thinking that underlies “sound common sense” and our ordinary use of language. It operates on the celebrated principle “Nihil est in intellectu quod non antea fuerit in sensu,” regardless of the fact that there are very many things in the mind which did not derive from the data of the senses. According to this view, everything is “real” which comes, or seems to come, directly or indirectly from the world revealed by the senses. This limited picture of the world is a reflection of the one-sidedness of Western man. “The Real and the Surreal” (1933). In CW 8: The Structure and Dynamics of the Psyche. P.745
Such we are, Regardless, the concern is about our tradition — however understood. Our view is not much different from that of Indian traditionalists. (For example http://kone-nakshatra.centreright.in/?p=1859). Reality check might express it as: “We have every right to preserve our racial genotype without anymore unecessary foreign admixture ” And others might mock Indian backwardness — and it is backwards, materially speaking, (at least the north is) relative to the West — but functionally these sentiments are little different from those of the Hindu “nationalists” I know that are interested in preserving Indian (read Hindu) tradition or that mock the philosophical poverty of the traditional West (let alone that are not particularly refined in their meditations on Muslims).
(That fact that a noticeable chunk of South and East Asians jump on the Liberal-left antiWest — “anti-race-ist” bandwagon doesn’t help)
So the Peanut Gallery can be crude. But there is something appreciable about course reality and real people. Glassy eyed Liberal with no cultural soul or femininized Swiple (i.e. the ‘right’ kind of white people) are lacking.
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@ chuck …
You assert the “traditional West” is hampered by a “philosophical poverty”, and by doing so, you play into the hands of someone who is attempting to mock you (and most of the rest of us here).
I therefore doubt you know how to properly define what “the West” really is. And secondly, I fear you have allowed the obvious philosophical poverty of the 20th Century to convince you it has always been this way. That our internalization of ‘Jewish’ garbage really represents our ancient heritage.
The true West — The Germanic Peoples of this world — have never been philosophically poor. It is just that their writings and teachings have been occluded or submerged by the garbage authored by ‘Jewish’ thinkers who emerged like a swarm of flies after the Renaissance, and especially after the French Revolution and the rise of the Rothschild Banking octopus (following Napoleon’s defeat). It is easy to author the dominant philosophical discourse when your work is being financed by ‘Jewish’ bankers and published by a network of ‘Jewish’ propagandists.
With hi-brow information and fancy quotes, I see you have been attempting to debate with someone who isn’t worth wasting your time of day on. People like “Raj” are basking in the glow of reflected glories from a long lost, almost forgotten civilization that wasn’t even situated in India proper: the Indus Valley Civilization was actually situated in what is today Pakistan!
“Raj’s” evident sense of superiority (born, paradoxically from his deep sense of INFERIORITY) is almost exactly like an Englishman announcing he is culturally and philosophically superior to everyone else, simply because Stonehenge stands on English soil.
What Indian’s who psycho-babble on the Internet, think is “Indian glory” is mostly attributable to the Moghuls, who were in fact Arabs/Persians who massacred the Hindu natives, smashed the Hindu Temples, took slaves, and eventually set up a centuries-old dynasty based in Delhi. It was the British who finally killed that nonsense off, which the world should thank us for. Much of the Indian dress, the elaborate women’s costumes, the jewelry, and the dancing, which most people associate with India and “Indian Culture” today was in fact originally imported and/or inspired by the Moghuls.
And just to clarify another historical misconception that forms part of the bullsh*t grandstanding routinely performed by nationalistic Indians commenting profusely on the Internet … the world’s earliest writings (cuneiform script) appeared in Mesopotamia (Sumer) and NOT in the Indus Valley, where they claim the Vedas originated.
There is no proof backing up their assertions by the way, so don’t swallow so greedily, everything big-mouthed Indians keep feeding you about their so-called “great culture”. Indeed, there can never be anything called “Indian Culture” because India is an entirely artificial construct invented by British Liberals of the 19th century. Prior to the arrival of the East India Company, there was never anything called India, even in the days of the great Emperor Ashoke (who lived in the 3rd century BC), and who is best known for spreading Buddhism into Central Asia and therefore to ancient China, and Japan, etc.
There is still much we do not know about the true origins of the Vedas. Who exactly wrote them, and where they were written. The history of the lands between the western reaches of North India and Mesopotamia (including Persia and what we call today Afghanistan: but was once called Bactria) are still not fully understood.
Incidentally, you might like to take ‘pride’ in the empty-headed damage your American Armed Forces have done to World Heritage by attacking Iraq, and then placing military bases right next to, and sometimes even on top of, some of the most priceless archeological sites known to mankind. Did you know that American troops once used the ruins of Babylon to fill their sandbags with, and to make a helicopter landing pad with? Your military top brass made no contingency to protect one of the world’s most valuable and important Museums, prior to entering Baghdad. As a consequence, it was badly looted. Many priceless and irreplaceable artifacts from the ancient Sumerian Civilization then made their way to Israel through the black market. Your Generals and Political ‘Leaders’ deserve to be shot by firing squad for such callous irresponsibility. F*ck*ng ignorant human trash is what they are and they don’t deserve to live. Who knows what knowledge has now been lost to us all??
If you truly wish to learn something of YOUR ancient ancestors Chuck, then perhaps you should begin studying Norse Mythology and the Runes. You will find more than enough sophistication there. Certainly enough to stop you maligning your racial heritage ever again.
Chuck,
Well put. I see nothing wrong in aspiring to preserving a way of life, whether it is popularly spoken of in terms of a race or religion (less preferable to me personally) or philosophy.
I think Western philosophy offers a complete and consistent way of life of which adherents can be quite proud. I also think that massive migrations of the type that settled this continent can be disruptive and can fracture civilizations. The Hindus have, through religious and social traditions, internalized this need to preserve continuity, but have rarely resisted any externally imposed disruptions and have readily acquiesced. And so, this notion of “without beginning and without an end” seems to run through the more intellectual streams of Hindu thought. I have always thought this to be a naive way to preserve a culture, apparent passivity, bordering on indifference. Observant Hindus disagree, and often chide me for my referential biases.
The West, esp. in the last 100+ years, has been a force for good (I mean net-net), and it behooves its citizens to preserve what is good in our culture. Simply stooping to the kind of vile name-calling and, frankly, abuse is beneath the true liberal tenets of Western intellectualism. Before I get jumped, using liberal in its purest form, and not in the bastardized sense of word where it connotes a member of the Democrat party. :-)
Raj says:
“By acting like school yard bullies, you guys bring shame to your race.”
It is candid little statements like this that reveal the true ethnocentrism of non-whites. I doubt anything more than a small minority of whites would consider the statements made by coethnics here as typical of their race. Yet Raj makes the relationship readily.
To me this is further evidence that any large amount of overseas non-white migration into white nations form a fifth column. Sailer’s Vdare article on Sino-Fascism is relevant here and and bang on, in my opinion.
Raj: “I wonder how the good old USA would have looked had someone took shots of the New Orleans Superdome after Katrina!”
That was a localized natural disaster, quite unlike the continuous unnatural disaster that is India. And those affected were mainly Blacks, who – if the truth be told – are no better than Indians when it comes to responsible citizenship. Many parts of Africa are almost as overpopulated and trashed out as the erstwhile Crown Jewel of the British Empire.
“some of you here are the poster-children of decline. Arrogant, hateful, and worst of all, not very smart.”
Are you really sure you have that much room to talk, Sabu? I’d be careful if I were you – that’s not exactly rocket science you’ve been spewing.
Joseph – Let me see – sabu, sadu, gunga din, turd, immature, actor, pretender!
Yeah, and that’s me taking the bait. Well, you can all stop baiting and go back to kissing each other’s asses.
Let the neocons and the elites do all the debating and set the agenda for this country. Whining, blaming, and spouting is what we do best here.
“You come here for succor, with all of your sub-99 IQ, expect to be coddled and tolerated. But when someone challenges the collective, self-pitying here, you feel the heat and lash out. With Whites like you, who needs anyone else to bring down the overall IQ.”
Ciaran, that must be rewarding Raj responds to your characterisation of him by exhibiting the character you paint. Talk about rising to the bait.
One wonders what Raj expects to find at a site whose tagline is ‘White identity, Interests and Culture’. He seems genuinely surprised that contributors here don’t tow the usual Cultural Marxist line and extol the virtues of Indians and India, and all things Third-World.
The whole point of TOO is exactly that white people can tell the truth here and not have self-censor and play the usual PC game. If Raj finds honest opinions offensive he should go to one of the legions of MSM sites where self-hating whites will trample on each other to fawn before his superior wisdom.
Raj is a type I have encountered many times. I used to tutor Indian and Sri Lankan teenagers and their parents were some of the most rude and conceited people I have ever met. They have a HUGE chip on their shoulder, and delusions of intellectual grandeur. They both admire Europeans and resent them at the same time. They think because they have attended a Western university they are now the font of all wisdom.
What’s amazing is that even those who’ve only been in the West for five minutes are exactly the same. Their sense of entitlement and intellectual arrogance is breathtaking – given the circumstances they have come from.
Because they come from a culture where social class and caste distinctions are everything, if they ever manage to get authority over whites they really let them know about it and make a thoroughly obnoxious boss.
If you’ve ever had to deal with an Indian bureaucrat from local government like a building inspector – puffed up with his own sense of importance – you’ll know exactly what I mean.
I have been reading this growing thread with amusement. Sounds like a one-against-many piling on to me. Can we debate the points Raj is making? Yes, India has its problems, but the larger point, at least to me, is that India is changing, one cannot engage Indians here the way one might engage an Indian in (from) India. As an elite (even if you grant that 45-50% of Indians here are in that economic class), Indians don’t appear hostile to the traditional culture of America. So not sure, besides hatred caused by the handle “Raj”, what set you all off against Indians. As someone else said before, let’s not lose focus.
KMD: “In the hands of Third World ideologues, what started out as the powerful, uniquely Western idea that people have rights against the state is in effect turned into the right to displace the people who created these societies. “”
It isn’t a ‘uniquely western’ idea, the Chinese neo Confucian philosopher Mencius articulated this idea and even expressed it as a people’s right to revolt against a morally corrupt and unjust state; nearly 2000 years before John Locke. Taking pride in one’s cultural and intellectual heritage is healthy, but ignoring or even bad mouthing other’s just to inflate one’s self importance is just plain immature.
Tom: “If Indians are so smart & aryan, why is India such a shithole?”
If your so smart, why do you continue to smart under the Jewish heel that controls your media and banking? Better yet, why do you send out your children to die for them? :D That’s the question most brown Asians are asking :D
Anyhow I was considering talking about imperialism, the systematic sabotage of India’s industry to service Britain’s (especially textile), the center periphery relationship ect.. but what good would that do? As the denizens of warcraft would say (I’m one of them too): ” Dont feed the trolls”
@Mel
This immigration thing has only become a problem since the late 1960′s, when as Dr. MacDonald has documented, a Jewish led political alliance was able to overthrow settled immigration law.
The days of the Jews getting a political pass are coming quickly to an end—this and 100 other high traffic websites are proof of that.
Mel: “It isn’t a ‘uniquely western’ idea, the Chinese neo Confucian philosopher Mencius articulated this idea and even expressed it as a people’s right to revolt against a morally corrupt and unjust state.”
But unfortunately, the idea wasn’t especially consonant with Asian psychology and never really took root there. That’s why there was nothing but a long sequence of oppressive dynasties in China until Mao came along and made his predecessors look like Mary Poppins on a double dose of Prozac.
On that basis, I’d guess that the Professor was talking about the extent and frequency of the idea’s implementation, not its mere scholarly expression. After all, there’s no sense in laying claim to an idea unless you’re willing to act on it more than once every other millennium or so.
Mel: “If your so smart, why do you continue to smart under the Jewish heel that controls your media and banking?”
Because smarting under the heel of an oppressor is smarter than not even feeling it as it kicks your ass continuously for thousands of years, the way it does in Asia?
Just a guess.
>>he whole point of TOO is exactly that white people can tell the truth here >>
Glen – What you and the others are saying is not the truth. It is plain and simple name-calling. See elsewhere in this thread the names I have been called. This, after I conceded a lot of points that Reality, Chuck, Johann, Flossie, and others made, and this after I essentially disagreed with everything Navi Pillay said at the UN.
It is not enough for you guys. One slight disagreement from someone named “Raj” and you guys want to show me “my place”. Call me uppity, call me having a chip on my shoulder (speaking of cliches, God how unoriginal), and asking me to go back to my country.
These are not *truths* – these are rants. Is this the best you guys can come up with? Whine about my “superior intellect”, whine about Jews? Reading you guys, I don’t believe the present generation of whites can put a man on Everest, much less the moon! You guys are too used to baiting and debating Blacks and Mexicans. When you encounter a Jew or an Indian the best some of you can say is: Gunga Din go home, or Yid go home! :-)
I never use the epithets you mention. A site like this will attract a range of people from a range of educational and social backgrounds. I would say that the standard of comment here is higher than average. Yes some of the comments are just inane ad hominen attacks. That being so – why bother to respond to them? You rise to the bait too easily by responding in kind.
Your problem is that you take any criticisms of Indians or India personally. I know quite a few Indians who agree with most of the opinions expressed here. A colleague of mine told me recently how lucky she felt for her family to get out of the ‘shit hole’ of India. Coming from her it’s a simple statement of the obvious, but when a non-Indian uses the expression it is deeply offensive.
eurodele: “On that basis, I’d guess that the Professor was talking about the extent and frequency of the idea’s implementation, not its mere scholarly expression. After all, there’s no sense in laying claim to an idea unless you’re willing to act on it more than once every other millennium or so.”
If you put it that way, fair enough.
“”Because smarting under the heel of an oppressor is smarter than not even feeling it as it kicks your ass continuously for thousands of years, the way it does in Asia?
Just a guess.”"
If your obliquely referring to the caste system, then may I remind you of the Buddhist struggle against it since the time of King Ashok? What do you think Sikhism was? It too was an attempt to steer society away from the rigid confines of caste (and Islamic orthodoxy) towards a higher awareness of spirituality. You’re also unaware of modern struggles against caste such as Ambedkar’s crusade and leftist discourse against it by several prominent Indian intellectuals.
“”not even feeling it as it kicks your ass continuously for thousands of years, the way it does in Asia?”"”
I can assure you that the struggle against the caste is far more open and mainstream in India than any honest protest or discourse regarding the private ownership of the federal reserve is in the US. Or the Judeo Masonic suppression of political dissent for that matter. Most westerners still think Jews are a poor oppressed minority incapable of any harm. Who’s not feeling the kicks now?
@ Mel …
Somehow, you completely overlooked the sincere efforts of the British to dilute or diminish the Caste System. For example, we banned the practice of Suttee. Do you know what Suttee (also called Sati) is? What it means?
Furthermore, you made no mention of the British using the Sikhs to help administer the British Raj. There is tendency for the Brits to admire the Sikhs while having contempt for Hindus.
Raj: “When you encounter a Jew or an Indian the best some of you can say is: Gunga Din go home, or Yid go home!”
Not exactly, Hadji.
The fact is, you’re not a polite, constructive intellectual who adds anything substantive to the discussion here. You’re just a mouthy little pain in the ass who trumpets your “intellectual superiority” like it’s a known fact, when it’s at best a figment of your opiated imagination.
If you had stopped your alligator mouth from running away with your canary brain whenever you opened it, your experience here could easily have been different. But since you didn’t bother to do that, every bootprint on your skinny brown ass is 100% your own fault.
If you want courtesy and respect, then learn to give it. Otherwise, shut your fly-catching pie hole, grab your dhotis and sandals, and skedaddle on back to the Punjab where you belong.
Mel: “Most westerners still think Jews are a poor oppressed minority incapable of any harm. Who’s not feeling the kicks now?”
In case you hadn’t noticed, this isn’t a web site for “most Westerners”. It’s for those who feel that every kick should be duly reciprocated.
Eurodele – Did your wife run away, or fornicate with an Indian, under your roof?
If so, I am sorry. But they do have cures for small penises. Although you might have to go to a Jewish or Indian doctor. Your choice.
Have you considered other handles like white-trash, deranged_white, or little_dick?
@ eurodele …
You’re just a mouthy little pain in the ass who trumpets your “intellectual superiority” like it’s a known fact, when it’s at best a figment of your opiated imagination.
That is beautiful prose my brother. Maybe you need to copyright that one as I shall be prone to quote it in future. Well said by the way! Spot on.
Another angle to take is that this Website’s Moderator should wake up and take notice. This debate thread has been going nowhere in particular thanks largely to the ubiquitous rantings of the “Raj” (means ‘King’ in Hindi). Too many Commenters have posted replies without realizing they are only encouraging yet another cycle of silliness and rudeness.
LOL
Yes indeed. You’re a real class act, aren’t you, Gunga Din. And a regular brain surgeon to boot. A gracious and valued guest to our nation indeed!
Like many Americans, I’ve never found an Indian Doctor I’d trust to prescribe anything stronger than a mug of chai. And of course, my wife – like most White women – holds her nose whenever an Indian passes upwind.
Now why don’t you do everyone a big favor and scram?
Does your wife have herpes? Just curious.
>>Like many Americans, I’ve never found an Indian Doctor I’d trust to prescribe anything stronger than a mug of chai.
That explains the millionaire Indian doctors I see all the time. Must have gotten rich by prescribing chai to imbeciles like euro_dick! Your nation? You mean the nation you stole from its rightful owners? Go back to Europe if you can’t take the Jews and Indians here.
Raj,
No one dragged Indians kicking and screaming and fighting into this country. They all lined up and got their H1B1 visa didn’t they? Using Christian Charities, they all used the substantial aid they got there to undercut White programmers and White engineers to take their jobs. And they have the brass tacks to scream about racism when this is resented?
I was not asked by our government if I wanted you here. I did not invite you here. You are not welcome here by me. I cannot stop our treacherous elite from issuing you those visas, Raj, but I am NOT required to roll out the red carpet for you or be nice to you. If you don’t like it, go back to India. Which, of course, we both know you won’t.
There is not a single White American who aspires to live in India. The same cannot be said about Indians. They are the ones who come here and they come here, because India is a toilet and not even Indians want to live in a toilet if they can possibly avoid it. The point is that since you people are neither willing nor able to clean up your toilet, the least you can when you come UNINVITED and RESENTED into a country is keep your nose clean and practice a little humility.
No one wants you here any more than they want any other third world immigrant, so you better accept that and develop a thick skin and display a lot of humility or you need to go home. To date, you alternate between arrogant confrontationalism or whining about our racism. We harbor no ill will against any Indians who remain in India.
I am sick and tired of every person of color acting like Whites have to accommodate and appease them otherwise we’re mean old nasty racists. Well, I plead guilty. Go back to India so you can be spared my horrible presence. It won’t bother me one bit.
Hey Clit_Menstra – There isn’t a thing you can do about any of the stuff you whine about. Look I didn’t come here to thumb my nose at anyone on this site. In fact, if you read me earlier posts, I came in with the requisite appreciation and in wholehearted agreement with the central premise of this website.
Things have gotten personal, and yes, I too am guilty of taking it down a notch or two. However, this much is clear. Ethnic interests or not, Whites, overall, feel that to assert themselves, they have to put down other cultures, and talk in terms of kicking people out, etc. Because they are sooo much better than everything else.
This is the reason why there is SO little sympathy for whites anywhere. When and where they truly, pathetically, get displaced and dispossesed (Rhodesia, South Africa, New Orleans (lol), Mozambique, USA…) there is almost a collective glee that the world shares. This is not just elite-sponsored behavior.
Talk about being desoised. Whites are the most despised MINORITY group on earth – there is no hope, demographically. You guys on this website are a dying breed – Tim Wise was right, and he and others will continue to hammer in the message through the vast resources of the MSM.
There isn’t a thing you guys can do. And finally, I am here, not because I am liked or welcomed by the Whites – you guys can go kiss my brown ass while I fart in your pale-faces – but because I think the system here, despite your bigoted asses, is better than anywhere else in the world. I wish the US would soon be rid of you guys. Wait, that is already happening.
@ Clytemnestra …
Please count to ten and do NOT rise to the bait. Just let “White_Advocate” and our Indian “Rope Trick” Fakir, rant into the void.
We have learned much these past few days. It has not been pretty, but much of it will be of great use to us in the future. Let’s put it in the bank and move on.
Meanwhile, I recommend you carefully read “White_Advocate’s” comment (10:24 am) through twice, or even three times, so that you fully identify all the previously concealed, irrational hatred being revealed for all to see … which, by the way, was all poured out with minimal provocation! That way, you will learn what you (and we) are really dealing with. No need to answer it directly. Stand above it. Just keep it for future reference. Let it make you wiser.
“White_Advocate’s” final three paragraphs are unequivocal. They help to confirm that much of what we call ‘politics’ today, is little more than an organized expression of concealed envy and resentment against successful people and successful cultures. And, the most materially successful cultures of the past 250 years have clearly been “white”. Of course, the incitement of these out of control emotions has been encouraged by the pseudo-theories invented by the Frankfurt School, especially during its tenure at Columbia University, in Manhattan. Prior to the formal creation of Tel Aviv in 1948, Manhattan had been the Jewish capital of the world for about 50 years.
You are now seeing why so-called ‘Jews’ self-infected themselves with overwhelming hatred for the German people. A culture that is on par with China in world importance. Without the Germans (and their Germanic cousins elsewhere in Europe and pre-Bolshevik Russia) AND the Chinese, most of the world would (metaphorically speaking) still be living in mud huts.
“White_Advocate” writes: Ethnic interests or not, Whites, overall, feel that to assert themselves, they have to put down other cultures, and talk in terms of kicking people out, etc. Because they are sooo much better than everything else.
That of course is his twisted interpretation. I have met very few genuine ‘whites’ (in fact, I struggle to remember any) who have conducted themselves as if they are “sooo much better than” [anyone] else. His perception surely comes from having an inferiority complex. He sees us as superior. Perhaps we truly are! Perhaps one day, our superiority will become so self-evident it will no longer be deniable. But, in the meantime, all I have been able to identify are grown White Males conducting themselves as if they were afraid of offending anyone. This kind of harks back to the scurrilous “Master Race” accusation leveled at the Germans by the Jewish community in the USA and Britain. It makes sense they would first try and psyche us out.
In real life, if you ever meet someone like “White_Advocate” at some future time, and he begs you for mercy, you can always remember the unprovoked hatred in that “brown-assed” 10:24 am comment. It will surely help you decide the best course of action!
I recommend anyone to look long and hard at the pictures of dead bodies dumped in the Ganges. That’s whats coming here if we continue to let these people (???to ) into our countries. Death, disease and rivers full of floating corpses.
Here’s an article posted at http://www.ageoftreason.com that might be of interest here.
http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2010/09/terry-grahams-genocide-complaint-to-un.html
Also if you do some research on Pillay you will see she is a South African affirmative action hire. She got her education and start in the South African communist party when Mandela came to power he appointed her first Indian female of S.A. supreme court. She is proof of what Kevin McDonald says about how dangerous it is for white people to give up power. Now that she has power she is using it against us.
I understand that we whites are pissed off at the trend of things, but Indians are not the problem. Jews are the problem. We do not need to live in entirely white nation (though vast majority white is best). We need self-determination. Jews stole that, not Indians.
These racial/cultural pissing contests are distasteful. You all are fussing about minor issues.
Johann, let me remind you of those pictures again:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
I own “dumb” animals too smart and cleanly to let their environment deteriorate to that extent – they’re called “llamas”. They always defecate in the same out-of-the-way place, and then avoid stepping in it. (Come to think of it, even the barn cats are that smart.)
Again, what the Indians have done to their own part of the world, they could easily do to ours by continuing to breed like pesticide-resistant cockroaches, which I notice that they do even after coming here.
Don’t be misled by the fact that you still have a little clean water coming through your tap; it will eventually look and smell as brown as your little foreign friends. And then, when the ascendant Brahmins of the Land of Plenty decide that water and plumbing supplies are too expensive to waste on the lower castes any more, they will simply stop running.
Use your head: that’s a problem.
Eurodele – I will be the bigger man here, and apologize for my personal tirades against you. Unconditional apology. But I do want to debate the point you make about “Indians’ fecundity…”
>>Again, what the Indians have done to their own part of the world, they could easily do to ours by continuing to breed like pesticide-resistant cockroaches, which I notice that they do even after coming here.>>
There is no evidence, in the US and Canada, that Indians have more than 2 children per couple on average. In fact, there are quite a few countries where we have over 150 years of Indian presence, and no where is there any evidence of the type of filth you fear that could be caused by Indians. The problems in India are myriad, and some are due to historical reasons, and a severe oppressive system (feudalism, sadistic rulers, caste-based oppression, roughly akin to institutionalized racism that WAS here)…
But Indian immigrants (and there descendants) have created more just societies than to be found in India. Just look at Fiji, Trinidad, Mauritius, Suriname, Maldives, South Africa (Indians and Whites and Jews), Malaysia, Singapore. With the overall caliber of the immigrants that come to USA and Canada, I think this effect will only be stronger in that Indians will not take up the bottom rung of the economic/social ladder.
Again, don’t want to start another day fighting over trivial name-calling and abuses. My apologies to all on this site for any aggravation I might have caused.
@ eurodele …
Here is some hard evidence to support (if not confirm) part of what you wrote in your 11:02 am comment. Specifically this: “Again, what the Indians have done to their own part of the world, they could easily do to ours …”
Open Air Cremations (using wood pyres) are ILLEGAL in Britain for several reasons. The most significant being they are very unhygienic. Of course, they also do NOT belong in our culture. But, some Indian communities have recently begun to take the law into their own hands. In respect of cremation, some communities have begun to carry on as if they were back home in India, regardless of what the British authorities say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7953581.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5965855.ece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkWaGmq64oA
NB: When watching the YouTube video, you should pay special attention to the provocative words of the interviewee, from point 4:10 to 4:54.
“We do not need to live in entirely white nation (though vast majority white is best). We need self-determination. Jews stole that, not Indians.”
Speak for yourself, Johann.
One thought: If populations have the right to migrate first, then surely it is acceptable for the much poorer Bengladeshis to immigrate en masse to their richer neighbor to the west, India.
@ Felix … I recommend you check out these two reports:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/Bihar-govt-refuses-to-implement-ID-card-plan/articleshow/37306745.cms
http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_files/paper1444.html
And this book:
http://tinyurl.com/Book-On-Immigration
@ me
You’ve posted several interesting links recently – good job.
http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2010/09/terry-grahams-genocide-complaint-to-un.html
http://www.christogenea.org
http://www.groundcrewradio.org
http://www.anglo-saxonisrael.com/
If one looks around a bit, one can find some promising food for thought.
Again, don’t want to start another day fighting over trivial name-calling and abuses. My apologies to all on this site for any aggravation I might have caused. – Raj
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Thanks, Raj, and like I said before, we can all get a little off-kilter and off-message when we feel our ethnic group – or any other group we affiliate/identify with, comes under gratuitous attack and insult.
I appreciate the perspective of any and all races and ethny’s on the issues that we are discussing here, so it behooves all of us, White, Indian, Asian or anyone else, not to engage, or respond to childish, provacative name-calling.
We ‘gentiles’ – whatever our non-Jewish background – can really learn something from eachother in civil dialogue – we cannot when our ego’s are simmering from personally insulting eachother.
@ raj
When you think you can submit a post without the usual leftist “shut-up” words and phrases like racist/redneck/inbred, I might take your posts more seriously.
And now for something completely different, a bit of topical humor.
Sometime in the mid 1960s, the Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi, made a state visit to the USSR.
At one point, as she and Soviet leader Brezhnev were riding in his limousine through the streets of Moscow, Brezhnev thought back to his own visit to India the year prior.
“Madame Prime Minister”, he said, “thinking back to my visit to your country last year, I couldn’t help but see the squalid poverty and filth in which so many of your people have to live, even in your capital New Delhi.
“In particular, I noticed people having to resort to defecating on the streets and sidewalks.
“You know, we have some of the best engineers in the world and would be very willing to assist you in constructing superb sanitation facilities.”
Taken somewhat aback by Brezhnev’s candid remarks, Gandhi struggled to reply when at that very moment she saw a well-dressed man, in suit and tie, squatting on a nearby sidewalk, his pants at his ankles, obviously relieving himself.
“Look!”, she exclaimed, “Look at that man over there! Look what he’s doing!”, pointing her finger.
Brezhnev turned and looked and couldn’t believe what he was seeing.
He immediately motioned the chauffeur to stop and ordered one of the other security men to arrest the individual on the sidewalk.
After conferring with the individual on the sidewalk for a few moments, the agent came walking back to the limousine.
“Well, what happened, why didn’t you arrest him?” Brezhnev asked incredulously.
To which the agent replied, “I’m sorry, Comrade Chairman, but I can’t arrest that man. He’s the ambassador from India.”
Again guys, I understand the pain and frustration we feel about broader issues like the subject of this thread (and the Communist man/woman Niva Pillay who got her start on hating Whites in South Africa), but there still is no need to insult others with overdoing ethnic slurs and jokes, especially when we agree to keep the discussion civil and productive.
Let’s talk about something important, like how so many non-Jewish Whites are being kept from enrolling in America’s most prestigious institutions of higher ‘learning’ -
Harvard Hates Whites—Does America, Too?
Unz, himself Jewish, noted that at his alma mater, “Asians comprise between 2% and 3% of the U.S. population, but nearly 20% of Harvard undergraduates. Then too, between a quarter and a third of Harvard students identify themselves as Jewish, while Jews also represent just 2% to 3% of the overall population.” Not only was he so blunt about this, he took the step — rare in the mainstream media — of drawing the logical conclusion: “Thus, it appears that Jews and Asians constitute approximately half of Harvard’s student body, leaving the other half for the remaining 95% of America.”
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Of course “our” government is not interested in quantifying the relative decline non-Jewish whites are experiencing, but a few have done this independently. One researcher has used government statistics to graphically demonstrate how whites are penalized at all levels of intelligence when earnings are compared to others in the same IQ cohort. As he concluded, “A bright mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste, and it is the bright White gentile minds that are being denied educational opportunities at significant costs to our country.”
Unz understood this, too, demonstrating how education levels play out over one’s career. What he found at Harvard about white Christian underrepresentation “is present to a greater or lesser degree at most of our other elite educational institutions: Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley and so on. And partly because these universities act as a natural springboard to elite careers in law, medicine, finance and technology, many of these commanding heights of American society seem to exhibit a similar skew in demographic composition.”
Considering that, as the article points out, that there are just so many more Whites in the country (America and Britain) who are just as (if often not more) qualified, intelligent and ambitious, the ethnic disparities which exist then in certain non-Whites favor simply cannot be written-off as being based primarily on IQ, merit and/or ‘hard work’ alone.
“”"Mel: “Most westerners still think Jews are a poor oppressed minority incapable of any harm. Who’s not feeling the kicks now?”
Eurodele: In case you hadn’t noticed, this isn’t a web site for “most Westerners”. It’s for those who feel that every kick should be duly reciprocated.”"”"
I have noticed. However you made a generalized statement on how Asians lack the initiative to overthrow tyranny. I showed you that this was also the case in the west. Individuals such as yourself and the ones that post here constitute an insignificant percentage of the overall population, at least they do in North America (I reside in Canada). And besides, how do you expect to promote white cultural pride when a website’s such as this one aren’t aimed at ‘most westerners?’
Anglo Saxon:
“Furthermore, you made no mention of the British using the Sikhs to help administer the British Raj. There is tendency for the Brits to admire the Sikhs while having contempt for Hindus.”
The brits never admired the Sikhs anymore than southerners admire mexicans. The whole martial races theory was to boost the ego of the cannon fodder. Divide and conquer worked extremely well in India, and for the most part still works as Indian and Pakistani leaders bend over backwards trying to pander to American interests. The British Empire was not the Roman empire which actually invested its money in its acquired territories; including rebellious ones like Judea. The British empire was a hostile power whose sole aim was to loot and plunder. But these weren’t sporadic raids like the vikings or the Arabs; no… the brits drained India’s capital by sabotaging their industries that the Moguls set up so as to better service the British economy. While its easy to recover from sporadic raids, the resulting poverty which comes about from capital drain is long term.
What YOU are writing about Brits and Sikhs is inaccurate Mel. These days, the mutual warmth might be getting a little lost in the new anti-NWO, anti-immigration, and anti-miscegenation climate, but I am British (if you haven’t yet noticed) so you are going to have a hard job telling me about what goes on in my country!!
The British Forces fought two hard campaigns in the Punjab. The Sikhs earned our respect. The Punjabis are very different from the remainder of India. A different race almost. Until recently, I lived in an Apartment building owned by Sikhs. We had a good personal relationship.
And as for your “divide and conquer” theory, this is always glibly quoted by those who have not done their homework. Indeed, it is a standard Marxist accusation, and also standard to all American minds who eagerly swallow what the television and movies tell them.
Of course, in a land of sub-continent size, the last thing you want to do is go around provoking hostilities with all and sundry. Therefore, you have to forge alliances to survive. The British were fully cognizant of this political need. We also had the French to contend with. Had Clive not defeated the French, then most Indians might be eating Blue Cheese and Burgundy Wine these days (nah, I’m only kidding). In any case, what we now call “India” was already thoroughly divided prior to our intervention. And furthermore, we never conquered them. Excepting the Punjab, the only territory we ever actually conquered (militaristically) in India was the northern and eastern princely states in order to destroy the power of the last of the Moghuls, following the 1857 Uprising.
In 1857, we got very angry. Several hundred of our women and children had been raped and murdered and thrown down a water well. The well still exists and has since been filled in as a mark of respect. The place where this atrocity took place is Cawnpore (Kawnpore), but is now called Kanpur. It lies on the River Ganges.
The British empire was a hostile power whose sole aim was to loot and plunder. But these weren’t sporadic raids like the vikings or the Arabs; no… the brits [sic] drained India’s capital by sabotaging their industries that the Moguls set up so as to better service the British economy.
Sabotaging their industries? What are you doing now? Fantasizing? You believe India was an industrial power before the British suddenly arrived? You are writing emotionally Mel, and not factually. With some bullsh*t thrown in for good measure.
The Brits did not drain ‘capital’ from India. India didn’t have any capital to drain. It was a rural economy. What was taken were RESOURCES and COMMODITIES. Sure, the Indians were ripped off good and proper. I am not proud of that. But, young English and Welsh boys were being sent down the coal mines in Britain during this same period, so we are talking of a very different age with very different ‘values’.
And the people actually doing the taking were our old chums back in the City of London, namely the House of Rothschild and his Merchant Banking chums. These were the fat bellied scum with huge shareholdings in the East India Company. This helps to explain the who’s and whys behind the construction of Bombay’s financial district.
In addition to constructing one of the world’s most important, shipping ports (Bombay) the British also constructed for the future “India” one of the world’s most extensive and advanced railway systems … despite the monsoon’s and sub-tropical heat (not to mention the mosquitoes). Furthermore, the British established the world market for black tea by having the intelligence and initiative to import the tea plant, from its native China, in order to experimentally replant it in North East India. You Americans might not enjoy tea so much [you prefer to throw it overboard, haa-ha-ha] but much of the rest of the world does.
Seems like you are deaf, dumb, and blind to these inconvenient facts! Much of what you write about India sounds suspiciously like a Marxist hymn sheet. What’s wrong with you Mel? Still biased against the Brits because of King George?? Me thinks you need to improve your reading materials; either that or let me give you some more tutorials.
Om …. Om ….
Correction: And besides, how do you expect to promote white cultural pride when websites such as this one aren’t aimed at ‘most westerners?
eww fail grammar on my part =p
The salient point with regard to this discussion is YES Indian immigration to the West is only a symptom, while Judiasm is the disease. Having said that, it’s interesting to examine the particular symptoms of the disease and the effects they are having on Western societies. We can do this while still recognising that Judiasm as a GES lies at the heart of the matter.
Raj said: “Some of the posters, as expected, have been interesting. Others are just flyover country caricatures – playing their rule to a T.”
I’ve started to believe this can be attributed this to the fact they’re Sock Puppets – caricatures of low-browed European “cavemen” created on the keyboards of our cultural enemies as a means of discrediting our discovery, finally!!!!!, of our planned enslavement.
I ask myself: Qui bono?
What do you do, Raj?
Raj also typed: “A handout would be the countless Whites whom I have seen sit at home canning tomatoes collecting disability pay at the ripe-old age of 36-40. Didn’t realize character flaws qualified as a disability.”
Snappy little comment! Would work great in a rock song, but tell me – how many of those “countless Whites whom you have seen” would there be, Raj? …11? …6? …2?
I’m still of two minds about you, Raj – Who are you Really rooting for? I can’t figure out your “raison d’etre” here.
Raj kept typing:
(Reality Check dealt with this issue more deftly than I ever could but I still wanna contribute my 2 cents…)
“Why are Whites not well-represented in media? Blame the “jewish cabal”. (YUP.)
Why are Whites not working in factories anymore? Blame outsourcing. (YUP.)
Why are Whites not to be seen as farmhands? Blame Mexicans(…And the scum who hire them to save money.)
Why are White women not having children? Blame the pop culture for reinforcing negative self-images and attacks on motherhood! (YUP.)
Why are Whites divorcing at such large rates? Pop-culture, and the venal, feminist legal system… (YUP.)
Why are White children not doing well in math & science? Blame the Chinese and Indian kids in schools across America… (Why don’t we blame the teacher’s teaching methods instead because the methods they’re using AREN’T WORKING!)
Why is White America on a decline? Blame the jewish “elite” “(YUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Aki Izayoi said: “But economically, low-skilled whites (and blacks) would benefit from the presence of highly-skilled Asians: it would increase the supply of professional services where low-skilled labor are net consumers and consequently causes the price of those services to decline, and the presence of more professionals would increase the demand for services provided by the working classes such as roofing and plumbing.”
Aki, are you even aware of how condescending and, yes!!!, Bigoted your whole post is? You define whites as being “low-skilled” roofers and plumbers who would benefit financially, (and therefore, personally), from the much cleverer Asians, exactly like YOU!, taking their children’s potential middle class jobs!!!!!
(And white people get accused of being bigoted for simply expressing solidarity with other white people built like them! Isn’t that chutzpa!!!)
My gawd, how have we been reduced to having to listen to self-satisfied, pompous assholes like this prick explain to us how their corruption of our once-successful political and economic experiment is good for us!
…and finally a post that deserves to be reposted every 15 minutes until such time as Everybody “gets” it:
HA said: “Funny, I see all the blame running in the opposite direction. The white man of the West is blamed for: slavery, genocide of Injuns, the Holohoax, climate change, buying blood diamonds, dependency theory, the Incas’ pox, apartheid, indifference to dead Rwandans, etc. Black Africans killing black Africans…you guessed it, it’s Uncle Whitey’s fault. It’s all summed up by Jewess Susan Sontag’s charge that the white race is the cancer of human history. White nationalism, which many at this site favor, isn’t about blame, it’s about separation from peoples who so detest us yet can’t seem to live without us.”
Let’s repeat that: “White nationalism…isn’t about blame, it’s about separation from peoples who so detest us yet can’t seem to live without us.”
Now there’s an iconoclastic anthem I can stand to sing!
Why are White women not having children? Blame the pop culture for reinforcing negative self-images and attacks on motherhood!
Why are Whites divorcing at such large rates? Pop-culture, and the venal, feminist legal system… – Raj
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Raj,
Now thanks to pop-slop “American” culture (and those women, Indian or White – or whomever – who imbibe it), even Indian men are beginning to face what White American men have been facing over the last four-to-five decades:
*You see, we men can learn a thing or two from eachother.
We can all learn from each other. Absolutely.
Good post.
After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.
A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.
Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.
When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.
No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.
Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.
Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.
Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.
Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army.
The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.
Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.
A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.
Author — Jack London (1876-1916)
In YOUR case, Raj, White_Advocate and any OTHER H1B1 Scab, you can feel especially proud of yourselves. Not only do you represent the disgrace of America, but India, too. You COULD have taken your skills back to your home country with the goal of raising it to American standards, but no. That would call for real patriotism and integrity and love of your own people. It is so much easier to parasite off of Americans and the country they worked so hard to build up until you transform it into another toilet just like your country, because that old saw about misery loving company is all too true, isn’t it?
And I see you quoting your buddy, your pal, that flabby-faced “social justice” advocate, little Timmy “Tick-Tock” Wise. Just ask Mr. Wise for his daughter’s hand in marriage and find out how much Mr. Wise loves your little brown ass. And if you are waiting on pins and needles for the White race to go out, all I can say is … hold your breath… I sure hope you look good in blue.
I also add that you displayed your own stupidity and naivety by quoting a Disingenuous White Liberal. These folk want to fundamentally change America from a land with a majority of free, productive, independent White people who NEVER listen to them, to stupid, gullible, easily manipulated brown people … like you.
You idiots think they want a Rainbow World and here you are to add color and diversity?! Read Alduous Huxley’s Brave New World and get back with us on that, assuming your mind is nimble enough to understand the implications. India isn’t the only country in the world with light-skinned elites who would love a caste system. You Indians will never be the alpha class in this country … not if DWLs like Wise have anything to say about it.
In discussions of America’s ongoing ethnic transformation, I have heard individuals, before going on to fairly candid remarks, utter an amazing and revealing preface/disclaimer preceding their main remarks. So many who are about to say things that are counter to the current correctness and conventional wisdom feel they have to preface their remarks with an apologetic disclaimer. “I’m not racist, but…” “I have nothing against gays, but…” I’m all for equal…regardless of sex, race,…but…” I have heard Americans start with the preface, “I know everybody has the right to come here, but…” It’s remarkable that this could have been drummed into them so effectively. I tell them not to apologize for and qualify their beliefs or their knowledge with a timid preface/disclaimer, but to state them unashamedly; and that, last time I checked, legally speaking, the United States is a nation, and, as such, it is for the United States, not some international tribunal of global opinion or governance, not ANYONE else, to decide who may come here, and who and what the United States will be, AND upon what reasons that will be based. Let the world call those reasons “racism, “or any names it wants.
Mel: “However you made a generalized statement on how Asians lack the initiative to overthrow tyranny. I showed you that this was also the case in the west.”
No, I’m afraid you didn’t. You merely observed that for the last several decades, we’ve been smarting under Zionist oppression. Of course, nearly everyone feels the pain; it’s just that Jewish ownership of the media and education systems has ensured that a majority are still unclear on the source.
Mel: “Individuals such as yourself and the ones that post here constitute an insignificant percentage of the overall population, at least they do in North America (I reside in Canada).”
Of any population comprising any percentage of some larger population, “insignificance” is generally a function of more than relative quantity. If the population is very well-armed and quite angry, for example, it may turn out to be quite significant in the end (as it did in the American Revolution). And of course, some of its members may have influence that they’re smart enough not to mention in this kind of forum.
Mel: “And besides, how do you expect to promote white cultural pride when a website’s such as this one aren’t aimed at ‘most westerners?’”
As near I can tell, this site IS aimed at most (White) Westerners. That few have actually found it, or stay after bumping into it, is a function – once again – of Jewish ownership of the media and education systems, which ensures that a majority remain temporarily unclear on the true source of their increasing misery.
The US is not a couple of generations from an “India like” situation because the US is not going to last that long. Meaning the whole artificial system in place, run by the hate-filled, scatological, genocidal rabbi behind the curtain cannot sustain itself. On the one-hand, the jews are so arrogant as to believe they are now on the cusp of victory that their arrogance now pours into every facet of our everyday lives, whether it’s the jews on TV with more anti-white slop in each hand or the jew rolling through stop signs or cutting you off in traffic in Encino or Beverly Hills, simply because they’re a jew and can do whatever they want. On the other hand, there’s the small minority of jews at the top who are prepping just in case things fail, and that’s why we’re seeing the incredible looting of the US “financial system” and the attempts to ratchet up American military force in the “middle east”, lower case intended.
Do you really think the increased security at airports, the ‘attempted bombers’ are just before holidays are by chance? Someone wouldn’t think that if they get Americans mad enough they might want to bomb the rest of “our enemies” in the middle east, ya’ think? It hasn’t worked, Americans are mad at the stone age savages that pass for security at most major airports, oy vey! Vat else can ve do to convince the goyim it’z for their own good fighting for Izrael, itz?
The US is going to collapse into unprecedented civil unrest within 5 years. Guaranteed. In the long run, this is good for whites. In the long run. But in the short term, cowards unwilling to risk their hides and those who can’t break loose from the talmudic brainwashing are going to have it rough, as an extreme understatement. Those that scoff at this are generally those in the coward / brainwashed categories. Cowardice can go a long way in terms of self-deception, look at the jews for instance. The cowards will try to deny this with intellectual arguments that never take human nature into consideration. Which is the same thing the jews do when they continue to push socialism, not seeing or admitting it only works well for those in charge, meaning jewss. In the long run the societal collapse will be bad for non-whites. But that’s their problem. They know they will be able to hightail it. They also know that going back to their homelands is a return to inferiority.
We keep hearing how magnificent India and China are at the moment. They have so many internal problems, with well over 90% of each country the equivalent of garbage dumps that one has to wonder how big are the innate egos of the natives of these lands to insist otherwise? If this weren’t true, these people would not head West. End of argument.
No matter how much lying and exaggeration goes on regarding the prowess of non-whites in many areas, the fact is they follow whites, imitate whites, copy white innovation. “Raj” mentions Japanese technology vs American. While the jews have done a fantastic job of destroying public education in the US and making most white students disinterested in school, the fact is that the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Israelis and Indians are the biggest thieves of American intellectual property, of American patents. The Japanese are so ‘innovative’ they began their work on HDTV as … analog equipment! They had to be yanked into the 21st century by those dumb Americans. Almost all of Sony’s audio and video software is created by a group of American engineers and programmers in Wisconsin. When Clinton had the US patent system opened up, with a jew leading the way as head of the copyright office, the biggest spenders in terms of lobbying were the countries listed earlier, with Japan at the top. Innovation is a cognitive function related to divergent thinking, which has never been a strong suit among E. Asians, nor among jews for that matter. Jew can challenge that statement, yet the fact is that their ideas are generally based on what they want, how they want things to work, not necessarily on how they will or actually do work. This is why so much of what they claim or want is unable to last, such as Communism. Or in science, Einstein, who is now having so many holes poked in “his” ideas that the rationalizations used to say he’s “still correct” in this area even when science has shown the opposite or that what he “really meant was…” are hilarious. Most of things that seem to be valid from Einstein are actually the work of Poincaire, Lorentz, FitzGerald and others whom Einstein shamelessly plagiarized. Whites should keep in mind that Asians in general and jews in particular, see nothing wrong with plagiarism if one can get away with it. Koreans and Chinese actually believe that they’ve done work simply by copying someone else’s material. For the jews, well, thievery earns kudos and backslaps from their tribal brothers, having ripped off another of the trusting goyim.
Whites need to realize the future was stolen from them. By that I mean where this country, where whites as a whole would be in many areas right now before jew-puppet LBJ put the rubber stamp to every jew inspired piece of anti-white, anti-US, anti-West piece of “legislation” tossed on his desk. Whites will get it back, but will they, as a group, learn their lesson? Or will they have to be put under pressure, ball and chain, again, before exploding into another rage fit for war? Will this be the last time around? Or is the back and forth war against the self-important, overrated hypocrites destined to keep repeating itself, as it has done already throughout history? Each time it happens, it’s on a larger scale. But it’s always the same story, with the jews become more insidious with their tactics, and whites becoming more explosive in their anger when they blast out of the corner they’ve been put into to.
Eurodele, ignore the agents. All you’ll end up doing with frauds like Mel is playing Pil Pul. Arguing everything down the last molecule, with he and his ilk using “facts” and ideas that increasingly have no bearing on reality.
The jews don’t mind Asians coming in because Asians are non-whites, and in fact E. Asians do not possess the internal make-up in great numbers to wage true revolutions. In the end they put their heads down and follow. Keep in mind Mao was funded and led by the nose by the same crowd who funded the bolshevik revolution in Russia. In the US, the zionists simply want to displace Whites and figure Asians can maintain some type of technological infrastructure to keep the New Brazil, a vacation region for the self-chosen rulers of the earth rolling along. The rest of the jew NWO crowd figure they can build up E. Asia into the ‘new middle-class’ consumer region, and use them for the next thousand years as the world’s consumers.
According to this I can stroll into any country I want and stay as long as i want, no visas, no travel documents. But we all know the truth is much different and there are a lot of countries that don’t allow us white folk to become residents.
Indians have always been kept out of America for one important reason… “We don’t need them”. However, the Jewish US Government needs them badly as does Jew Run corporate America. Both are bankrupt and Jewish… and at the end of the century… despite the cubicle “laughs”, “smiles” and “office parties”… they are aliens and “we don’t need them…”. If you really think we do… then go to India and live there for the rest of your life… embrace it. All of it.. — CSR
Having worked with people from India, I can state that the CLASS mentality is not American. If they own the company, then anyone who works for them are beneath them. They will look for any loop hole to steal from anyone’s labor. They think slow and take 5 times as long, in the professional world to make a decision. Could it be that they were trained by the British?
They love to make the comment “you should be glad that you have a job”. How do non-citizens own businesses in America? Is this by accident or was this pre planned?
By 2000, most of the business in England were owned by Pakistanis. The English were not allowed to fly their country’s flag in their yards because it might offend a Pakistanis. If England is not behind all of this than who is?
Could it be that they were trained by the British?
Almost correct, Lori. And I don’t mean that sarcastically. Here is my brief clarification.
Newly independent India was greatly influenced by the Fabian Society. The original Fabians were aristocratic, English “one-worlders” financed (inevitably) by the gargantuan Rothschild octopus. It was established during the final two decades of the 19th Century.
I can tell you now that India’s first Prime Minister (Jawaharlal Nehru), himself educated in England, was constantly being advised by the Fabian Society.
If you don’t know this yet, then let me tell you the Fabian Society is one of the primary agencies for advancing the ‘soft’, Communist agenda (the one you see expressed by the United Nations via, for example, Agenda 21) and as such constitutes one of the great evils in this world today.
All senior ministers in Britain’s previous New Labour government (begun under Tony Blair, and who has Jewish ancestors) were Fabian Society members.
The Fabian Society and its many agents need to be opposed at all costs, at all times, and eventually targeted for …
It only looks like England is “behind all of this” because England has long been far more Zionized than even USA and Canada are today. England (if indeed we can still say that London is an English city) provides the logistical base for many, many conspiratorial NWO organizations, including the Fabian Society.
NAVI PILLARY IS DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS. PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MIGRATE ANYWHERE THEY PLEASE!!!!!!!!! THEY USE UP SPACE, SUCK UP SERVICES, CLOG UP THE HOSPITALS. WHAT’S NEXT, WILL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO INVADE MY HOUSE, TAKE MY FOOD, SLEEP IN MY BED, USE MY CHECKING ACCOUNT? SOMEONE NEEDS TO GIVE THAT WOMAN, AND A WHOLE LISTOF OTHERS I CAN THINK OF, A LOBOTOMY.
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami made some appropriate observations back in the 1950s, in a note to the 14th text, second canto of the Bhagavat Purana. There, he noted that ” Even fifty years ago, the social structure of all Indians was so arranged that they would not read any literature that was not connected with the activities of the Lord. They would not play any drama not connected with the Lord. They would not organize a fair or ceremony not connected with the Lord. Nor would they visit a place which was not holy and sanctified by the pastimes of the Lord. Therefore, even the common man in the village would talk about Ramayana and Mahabharata, Gita and Bhagavatam, even from his very childhood. But by the influence of the age of Kali, they have been dragged into the civilization of the dogs and hogs, laboring for bread without any sense of transcendental knowledge.”
And what peoples haven’t? We live in a sad time Hp. Nice to hear from you though!
There is absolutely no “right” for anyone to migrate no matter what anyone in the UN says. If you apply for immigration, meet the requirements of the nation (which it, not the UN determines) you desire to immigrate to, then you can go. Why have national boundaries if anyone can go wherever they please?
Raj,
The gratuitous name calling and use of ethnic slurs is opposed by most of us on this forum. But there are a few that love to hurl ethnic insults as if they represent some kind of argument.
I see them as parasites that use the prestige and legitimate scientific work of Dr. MacDonald and many other researchers in the field of “Human Bio-Diversity” as cover for their own small minded attacks. It’s annoying. They don’t even bother to understand MacDonald’s arguments or anything else about human evolution.
So, I would not take them too seriously or get too upset about it, although I think it is very good to call them out on it.
And let me be clear, I am not denying that Whites may have unavoidable conflicts with Indians and other groups. It may be a reality we have to face. Perhaps that is the value of an ethno-state. But that has nothing to do with endlessly bashing some group like we were all back in the 7th grade.
Hollywood has long promoted a caricature of anyone White that has an interest in either White interests or evolution in general as some kind of Neo-Nazi (low IQ, hateful, bigoted, sadistic). It certainly doesn’t help our cause to play into it.
“If you truly wish to learn something of YOUR ancient ancestors Chuck, then perhaps you should begin studying Norse Mythology and the Runes. You will find more than enough sophistication there. Certainly enough to stop you maligning your racial heritage ever again.”
AngloSaxon,
Having now read through the comments, I see you are right with regards to our subcontinental friend.
As to my point about western superficiality, I maintain it. When I say superficial, I mean it literally: “regarding to the surface.” The West engaged in the Promethean task of inventing the Modern world and dragging humanity out of archaic existence. In the process it had little time to look inwards. There is no shame it that — The shame is that, after having competed its world historic task, in a state of spiritually exhaustion, it fell into sickness, a sickness turned grave through the poisons of a certain clan of devilish imps and is now being cannibalized and robbed of its chance to explore the other dimensions of life — say, to follow Nietzsche-Jung-and-Heidegger and develop that Norse Mythology into a system on par with the Vedic. You obviously sense that need. Hence your interest in Norse mythology. Perhaps someday, when the remnant recollects itself, following this Götterdämmerung of ours, there will be chance for that.
Dear Chuck.
Here are 2 links to websites that should help introduce you to your distant ancestors and our indigenous, authentically European belief system.
That is to say, what prevailed prior to the arrival of the Jewish hoax we call ‘Christianity’: a system of worship imposed by Emperor Constantine, which was in fact predicated upon the Roman god … Mithra, and which in turn had been imported from the Middle East); is actually alien to us on many levels.
The Runes were our original form of writing, while our religious system is known as Norse Asatru. Rune symbols have a beauty on par with Chinese characters. You will soon identify its oftentimes superiority. This was an advanced and cohesive system of belief and philosophical thought.
The real discoverers of America were Vikings whose belief system was Norse Asatru … meanwhile we are corn fed the rubbish about the semi-fictitious clown called Christopher Columbus.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/asatru.htm
http://www.asatru.org/
When will Americans wake up to the fact that immigration is used to destroy previously homogeneous societies through subversion.
Americans are like cattle rushing head long to their doom.
Another thing needs to be said: Many of us believe that when the US (and Western Europe) is finally undermined culturally and genetically by uncontrolled immigration, as well as preferential breeding by the low IQ portions of society, the impact will be disastrous not only for Whites, but for the world economy. The only thing that has allowed China, India and other parts of the world to advance has been the innovation, productiveness, and support of the West.
Now, of course China and India are advancing economically, but it is an open question as to whether than will be able to sustain themselves on their own, that is without the existence of a strong US and Europe as part of the world economy. I’m of the school that believes all these technological and economic advances require capitalism, which in tun requires rule of law, individual rights and the general behavioral patterns we call “bourgeois”.
That’s why I am not afraid of a one world socialist government literally controlling the globe from one location. That would require sustaining a very high level of technology and industry, which no truly socialist government has ever been able to do.
So if there is a crash of the West, one wanders how thoroughly the global elites, including the Jews, have thought out the consequences. They truly seem to believe they can keep the whole system humming along even if White Bourgeois civilization is destroyed. That may be their fatal arrogance. They actually believe that they are the source of the world’s wealth. Of course, they are wrong, and if the power of the West crashes, what happens to Jewish power?
There used to be a book called “East minus West equals Zero”, which pointed out that without the US, the USSR would collapse overnight (which it did when we withdrew all forms of support). The same fate of the USSR awaits the current Western Global Elites. You would think they would be smart enough to realize that.
I have to agree with the poster who said Indians are like less intelligent jews. I have found these highly ethnocentric “people” to be rude, pushy and yes, eager to “cry racism” when they feel slighted. The upper caste ones flee the giant toilet bowl that is India, come to the good ol USA to get rich, and express their contempt and hostility for (White) American society. I’m damn sick of seeing them clogging up our medical and law schools. (We all know who runs the admissions boards at our elite institutions.) It pains me to think of all the hard working young White people who won’t get their chance, what a waste of young minds!
Oh and yes, I also don’t like Indians because they smell like ****
RE:Raj:
I was waiting for someone else to respond to this rather revealing comment from RAJ. Since no one has, I felt that I had to join into discussion. It would appear from the following comment that RAJ is a rather fervent Hindu nationalist.
” Americans think the money goes to alleviating social poverty, goes towards education and civic services. Most of the money goes into India’s tribal regions, where the natives are forced to accept the demented evangelical version of Christianity and bribed into doing so, with trinkets from Wal-Mart and other “western conveniences” such as candy, mouthwash and dentalfloss. It’s a cultural genocide, much like one this website is committed to calling out and resisting.”
The tribal people RAJ mentions are in fact are in fact rural non Hindus which the Hindu majority has historically treated harshly and with open contempt. Their abysmal treatment by their fellow Indians rivals that meted out to the untouchable Hindu castes which have also been heavily discriminated against by their Hindu neighbors. Both groups were and are subjected to routine physical abuse and often open violence by the Hindus. Like the untouchables, the tribal peoples were, until fairly recently, routinely denied access to an education, to rudimentary health care, and to government jobs.
RAJ considers Christian missionaries to be be advocates of “cutural genocide.” He seems to prefer that the tribal peoples remain under the oppressive and virulently racist thumb of his Hindu majority. Apparently he feels that the Christian concept of equality before god is affront to the racism and exploitation that is an integral part of Hinduism. His denigration of the work of the missionaries doesn’t just end with the tribal peoples. Even though he doesn’t say so, he is probably a even a far greater hater of the missionaries’ attempts to bring equality to the untouchable castes within Hinduism. Hindu nationalists of his ilk have recently taken to murderous attacks on Christian missionaries throughout India.
The problem with RAJ is that he actually doesn’t know much Indian history. The Christian missionaries of the trype that RAJ deplores come from the religious tradition that brought the concept of charity to India. Before Christianity made its arrival in India, historical accounts reveal how poor people were allowed to literally die in the streets without any concern whatsoever from the Indians themselves who consdered the suffering of the poor to simply be karma.
It was the Christian missionaries who set up the orphanages, public/parochial schools, and hospitals in India. Indian nobles had to be literally embarrassed into accepting the western concept of charity by the British. Western women living in India were especially prominent in badgering the Indian nobles into acknowledging any sort of sense of sense of social responsibility towards their subjects.
People have mentioned just how dirty India is. If you look back at photos of India taken during the British occupation you will immediately notice just how clean the the general environment seems to be. If anything the sanitation in India seventy or a hundred years ago was often significantly better than it is often today. This is especially the case in the cities. The British would simply not allow the Indians and their cows to befoul the surroundings that the British had to pass through.
And it isn’t simply poverty that causes this situation. I I recently got back from a trip to Bangladesh and Bangladesh , even though poorer than India , is FAR cleaner.
JOHN CAMERON, you may be right about the treatment of these people by the Hindus – I know there is horrible treatment of many people in India. But isn’t this Christian impulse to treat all people as equal before God exactly what got us in to trouble in the first place? I’m not advocating mistreatment of people, but almost every damned problem we’ve had for the last 150 years has involved Christians – either as leaders or accomplices, witting or otherwise.
It was the silly abolitionists with their religious fervor that got over 600,000 men murdered in the War Between the States and destroyed the culture of the South and the US constitution. It was the Christians who helped promote the idea that Africans were equal to Whites. It was Christian leaders who actively participated in the marches against segregation and for “civil rights”. It wasn’t always the average Christian, but the Christian leadership was almost always involved in these anti-White movements. So these “do gooder” missionaries (with “doing good” defined as helping non-Whites) all around the world have always been involved in causing trouble for Whites for at least 150 years.
And again, I don’t know much about India, but if a bunch of Hindus had showed up in the 60s to endlessly complain about how America mistreated Blacks, I would have resented it. So Indians resent American Christians doing the same thing. And honestly, given the fact that all humans are NOT equal in intelligence and behavior, can you be so sure that there isn’t some rationale behind the way Hindus treat these people? I mean a non-Marxist exploitation theory.
So certainly, someone could claim that the South was much “cleaner” and more “fair” now that the Jews had used federal power to virtually break the will of Whites in the South. But I would not celebrate it.
I would just like a century where Christians leaders didn’t muck things up (I decided clean that phrase up).
Raj,
The reason Jews easily manipulate Whites has to do with European individual culture that makes Whites not able to see the collectvist nature of Jewish actvism. However its important to know that throughout European history, Jewish influence and dominanace of native European societies was always temporary, often turning violent.
There is nothing wrong with European Americans demanding the right to preserve their heritage and culture and identity. The reason you had opprortunity to attack here because some of them had to find some reason to justify European American Nationalism. There is nothing to justify. Whethere immigration to America is good or bad is irrelevant. Whether immigrants to America help the economy or not is irrelevant. People do not need a reason to be ethno-centric since most societies around the world are aethno-centric. The bigest propbel White Nationalist have is they have to attack other ethnic groups to promote their own. This is a very bad strategy.
Oh and by the way, beyond the Jewish community, just who do you think has been at the forefront of unlimited immigration, sanctuary cities and the slaughter of American troops in far away lands for misadventures? Why it’s our good friend the witless, clueless, idiotic Christian leaders.
The Catholic Church has been a huge promoter of Mexican immigration and sanctuary cities (that is, when the bishops weren’t busy giving aid and comfort to the old Soviet Union by condemning our nuclear programs – jerks). And of course the old mainline Protestant churches tripped over themselves to see who could commit American suicide first via weak national security and open borders first. Jerks.
Sadly, the evangelicals have been brainless morons, eager to sacrifice America’s best to whatever demand Israel makes. Thanks fellas.
Look, you people that push the Christian line need to address these issues and clean your house up. Start talking back to stupid preachers and priests who tell you it is your children’s duty to serve the world’s poor. Tell them to stop supporting law-breaking with sanctuary cities. Tell them you will report them to the police! The next time some reverend implies that socialism and the welfare state are our moral duty, tell him to go F himself. Out loud. You people need to neuter these Christian organizations that undermine our country everyday.
This is part of the reason I had to stop going to church long ago. It’s hard for me to gather peacefully with traitors to my country.
Dear Jeff Maylor,
Forget ‘Christianity’. Throw it away or turn your back on it and walk away from it … finally! Throw your Bible away … it is full of fairy stories and alien junk. It does not belong to you, or I. It is a sick import from the Near East (what we today call, the Middle East).
There are many websites (and books) in existence already that fully explain the true and hoaxed origins of ‘Christianity’. Ethnic Europeans are foolish to follow ‘Christianity’ (and of course Islam), when their proud ancestors followed a far superior belief system … one that is far older than Buddhism and also Hinduism.
Please read everything on this website:
http://www.asatru.org/
The time has come to end the nightmare. Ethnic Europeans, wherever in the world they may be, should all be encouraged to return to their religious, ethical, spiritual, and philosophical roots. This will accelerate our healing process and give us immense collective strength.
As I said with regard to the Uri Avnery thread, love it or hate it, Christianity is not going to simply disappear anytime soon, so it’s far better to use it a force for promoting the racial cohesion of white people than bash it and thereby alienate a HUGE number of conservative patriotic white people – like current Tea Party supporters.
This is not to say that we shouldn’t attack the more egregious stances taken by particular Christian groups (Christian Zionism springs to mind), but to attack the whole edifice is utterly counterproductive. If you think large numbers of white people are going to suddenly abandon a 2000 year old cultural legacy en masse and embrace some kind of Nietzschean racialist cult you are kidding yourself.
Politics the art the of possible and to be talking about doing away with Christianity is utter futility. We need to take Christianity back from the Judaizers and Fabian socialists who have captured and politicised a moral tradition that is one of the glories of Western civilisation.
An interesting fact is that ALL Christian demominations in Australia supported the White Australia Policy between 1901 and 1967. This suggests there is nothing inherent in Christianity, as traditionally practiced, that need be hostile to our goal of promoting white group cohesion and having this reflected at the level of policy.
Most conservative Christians I know are aghast at the Third World immigration we are currently enduring. If you want to push these into the clutches of the neoconservative Republican Party then keep attacking Christianity. You may as well be working for the Jewish lobby.
Glen, I think you are right in stating that White Christians can be pro-White; there are obvious examples of this throughout history. But there as been a real self-defeating strain that has been predominant for at least the last 150 years. Again, a good first step would be to encourage Christians everywhere to challenge their churches when they do things likes advocate for illegal aliens or send all their donations to Third World countries. And especially and most malevolently, when they teach the little children that it is their role in life to be sacrificial lambs for the Left.
I think Glen Beck is a half-clown, but I do support his notion that people should be on the lookout for “social justice” in their churches, since it is basically a code word for socialism. And we need to expose just how fully Christian Churches in America and Europe betray the cultural heritage of the West. Let people at least go to churches that explicitly support Western Civilization and implicitly White people (if there are such things).
You make some goods points here. It’s a far more constructive approach.
Here in Canada we have approximately 1 million East Indians living here. I have been exposed to them all my life and have nothing good to say about them. In my province, we have had quite a number of East Indians get into politics and almost all them have had some high profile scandal forcing them to resign. Their business practices are notorious for being dishonest and their horrible workmanship in house construction is legendary! A large part of the illegal drug business is carried on by violent Sikh gangs who are constantly killing each other. They practice block voting and because of this, many dishonest White politicians kiss their feet! While being very crafty at crime, they seem to make a lot of mistakes and are easily caught. They are simply dumb, brown Jews.
@ Glen …
But inadvertently working for the ‘Jewish’ lobby (by virtue of being a Christian) is what I was hinting at and thereby warning against! Some have argued, and convincingly, that Protestantism was a schism created by ‘Jews’ hell-bent on diluting the influence of the Roman Catholic Church (the only Christian denomination that actually includes prayers dedicated to resisting Judaism in its liturgy … or it least it did prior to the reforms of the “Vatican II” council).
Protestantism is by far the most common Christian denomination throughout the United States (except amongst Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Italian, etc., immigrants). Perhaps this simple fact helps explain why the people of the United States have thus far been quite defenseless against ‘Jewish’ machinations? Protestantism plays right into the hands of the Zionists because it was designed to do so.
If you really wish to stubbornly remain a Christian, then perhaps you might find the Orthodox Church a more consistent and far stronger staff to lean on.
Sorry Glen, but you cannot properly argue that Christianity is a “Western” cultural legacy without betraying your own ignorance of Christianity’s true origins, which are actually AFRICAN (i.e., Coptic). The earliest churches were actually built in Turkey and Armenia! I am telling you brother, as gently as I can … Christianity is NOT authentically Western, and it is even less European!
The links I introduced earlier today (to Norse Asatru) have absolutely NOTHING to do with any Nietzschean racialist cult. This is a preposterous claim to make, and you should not make them without good reason, nor do so without offering at least some evidence. Did you visit the website and read any of their pages?
And may I add that if you truly associate the German philosopher Nietzsche with racism, then you are making yet another grave historical and intellectual error. It would appear you are yet another who has swallowed the usual half-baked propaganda that seeks to protect Christianity by rubbishing or slandering Nietzsche. If you would only study the subject matter properly, you will soon discover that Nietzsche’s legacy was perverted by his SISTER for monetary gain, following his death. In truth, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is one of the most profound and inspirational philosophers to have ever lived.
Politics is indeed the art of the possible. But do you really believe the power of the Evangelical Christians, or of Paster John Hagee, can be diminished anytime soon? I very much doubt that possibility, simply because they are too well funded. They also have a well subscribed propaganda TV network in place. You will only end their cultural dominance by indirect means, or by abandoning Christianity altogether, and going back to your true spiritual roots: assuming that is, your distant ancestors can be traced back to Northern Europe (Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Britain, northern France) or from any of the Celtic lands.
Take a deep breath Anglo-Saxon. You are making many false assumptions here. As it happens I’m not a practicing Christian -I’m just being realistic. I’m well aware that Nietzsche was not racially conscious and often railed against anti-Semitism. I was merely invoking him (tongue in cheek) as the architypical anti-Christian philosophical figure.
If you want to go back to Odin-worship or some such pre-Christian ‘religion’ then good luck to you. You can get together with the other 150 white people throughout the world who would find this an attractive proposition. I’m of Germanic origin and have no desire to do so.
Whether Christianity started as a Jewish plot, or originated in Africa is irrelevant. The reality is hundreds of millions of white people are committed Christians – if you want them to be our enemies instead of potentially valuable allies then keep bashing their religion – it may feel good but will achieve NOTHING.
Oh please. Nietzsche’s sister knew him better than most.
Stop reading the commentaries of that Kaufman and pick ip the original Deutsche, or at the very least Ludovici’s work on Nietzsche.
Nietzsche was no philosemite, as much as the Jews would like to appropriate him as such.
The following appeared in the Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Americas Bulletin
The Canadian Intelligence Service – Excerpt from September 1952 issue – submitted by James Moorhouse. – The following speech was given by Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich before a special meeting of the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary, January 12, 1952
“The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfillment is so apparent, it behooves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold. I can safely promise you that before ten years have passed, our race will take its rightful place in the world, with every Jew a king and every Gentile a slave. We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born.
“Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out our interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark people.”
(end of quote) N.P. Purvis, Editor
This next is an excerpt from the same speech, found in the book, The World’s Troublemakers. [See resources ] “THE STRUGGLE AGAINST THE GENTILES” Speaking of the Third World War, Rabbi Rabinovich is publicly reported to have addressed a special meeting of Rabbis in Budapest on January 12, 1952 thus:
. This war will end for all time the struggle against the Gentiles… Our race will rule undisputed over the world… And so, with vision of world victory before you, go back to your countries and intensify your good work, until that approaching day when Israel will reveal herself in all her glorious destiny as the Light of the World”.
Whites should not look for salvation from the Roman Catholic Church. I speak as a Catholic. I went to Catholic Charities a few months back and you could not swing a stick at their clientele without hitting an Iraqi Muslim. Odd behavior; a presumably Christian organization helping people who will never convert to Christianity on pain of death. It would not surprise me one iota if many of their former clients were Hindi like our “friend,” Raj, here.
I also think all other mainstream denominational churches have been thoroughly infested with social “justice” activism.
Any White Nationalist who wants to cling to Christianity would be far better off joining a smaller, independent congregation, not any of those affiliated with the big guys. Better yet, he should start his own church and find a way to do it without all that CI stuff about White European Japhethites being misplaced Semites AKA the lost tribes of Israel. That’s what’s killing us.
@ Eurodele
‘No, I’m afraid you didn’t. You merely observed that for the last several decades, we’ve been smarting under Zionist oppression. Of course, nearly everyone feels the pain; it’s just that Jewish ownership of the media and education systems has ensured that a majority are still unclear on the source.’
The protocols have been around for 2 centuries. If you’ve read it (or at least skimmed through it like I have) you would see that the blue print clearly states certain goals such as the destruction of identity by attacking its pillars: race, family, religion and culture. The goyim are not to have these. The blue print also states that institutions must be destroyed by means of infiltration and subversion. Hence its no surprise that both left and right wing movements serve the interests of the Judeo Masonic alliance. This has been going on for a couple of hundred years, and not just a ‘few decades.’ I believe it was Lindbergh sr who coined the phrase “invisible government” and he was branded a traitor. Westerners were quite clearly ‘oblivious’ to the ‘kicks in their asses’.
“”If the population is very well-armed and quite angry, for example, it may turn out to be quite significant in the end (as it did in the American Revolution). “”"”
I’ve studied the history of Zionism, so believe me, I know that better than you think. But the Zionists had a clear agenda and a crystal clear vision of what the outcome of their endeavor looked like. So despite Palestine being in the hands of the hostile ottomans and being populated by Arabs, the Zionists saw clearly that this land would become the state of Israel with the minority Jews in power and the majority dispossessed. Nobody in the 18th century would have dreamed it possible. That would be like betting on Afghanistan invading the US. However, I don’t see such clarity of purpose in the white nationalist movement. I don’t get the impression that this movement has any real vision. Whats the end outcome look like? Is it a west free of all coloured peoples and Jews? Will it be a culturally and economically isolationist west? What would the education system look like? I don’t see many white nationalists address these questions. Just as left wing infiltrators like the pied piper Noam Chomsky lead genuine activists down a dead end by pitting them against bogus fronts (corporations, Patriarchy ect) so too do websites like TOO lead the white nationalist movement nowhere by encouraging xenophobia, ad hominem attacks and baiting while the actual staff are clever enough not to make any such overt statements themselves.
“”"As near I can tell, this site IS aimed at most (White) Westerners. That few have actually found it, or stay after bumping into it, is a function – once again – of Jewish ownership of the media and education systems, which ensures that a majority remain temporarily unclear on the true source of their increasing misery.”"”
Fair enough; I agree with you here. However have you also considered the possibility that most of the people who visit this site simply do not connect with the material here? ie it has no relevance to them. This site (and others like it) ought to serve as a vehicle in turning ideological precepts into tangible public policies that specifically bring you closer to achieving your final vision (whatever it may be).
Scott Oliva: “”Eurodele, ignore the agents. All you’ll end up doing with frauds like Mel is playing Pil Pul. Arguing everything down the last molecule, with he and his ilk using “facts” and ideas that increasingly have no bearing on reality. “”
Aww you hurt my feelings :( I’m only posting here because I’m bored as hell ever since my world of warcraft game card time expired :( Ok maybe its not the best reason, but at least I’m honest!
See the dot in the middle of its forehead? That’s not a dot, it’s a BULLSEYE!
LOL. That’s really funny!
Eurodele
I had said in my last post : “Just as left wing infiltrators like the pied piper Noam Chomsky lead genuine activists down a dead end by pitting them against bogus fronts (corporations, Patriarchy ect) so too do websites like TOO lead the white nationalist movement nowhere by encouraging xenophobia, ad hominem attacks and baiting while the actual staff are clever enough not to make any such overt statements themselves. ”
Bear in mind, I am speculating here. I should have been clearer in my last post, apologies for that.
Mel, I don’t think it is the staff of TOO encouraging the bad things you mentioned, it is just some of the commentators. Certainly, MacDonald doesn’t. Unfortunately, there are a few knuckleheads that like to pop on and spew ethnic slurs and make uneducated comments. I resent them, because they are using the prestige of science as cover for their 3rd grade approach to issues.
It’s sad that they don’t take the time to read the important scientific work that MacDonald has done. They would at least upgrade their vocabulary when arguing for White interests. Just using terms like “implicit Whiteness” would put them miles ahead of some ignorant skinhead that plays into the stereotype Hollywood loves to portray.
Aki: I would like to see evidence that a significant proportion of the transactions in Asian-American and Jewish communities are done in cash.
LOL. That’s the most disingenuous statement this site has seen in weeks. Asians get their hides waxed by inner city blacks and browns because they and everyone else know that the Asians carry cash, that they do very little business amongst themselves with anything other than cash. Same as jews. In fact, I suspect Aki knows this, and knows that synagogues are routinely secret ‘banks’ for jews, allowing them to get loans etc. for businesses and such beyond the ‘jewish privilege’ they enjoy at certain banks and so forth. No games with paperwork, there is no paperwork. Where does the money come from? From US taxpayers. From the Fed. It’s sails off to Israel, some comes back along with other cash from other jewish sources (oh, those Rothschilds, Sassoons etc. don’t really supply ‘seed money’, do they? lol – look it up). Don’t think that this is made up. As a child two jews bragged to me about this, and as an adult, working amongst a lot of jews, several were very matter of fact about some members of the community, not all, but those with the best connections, being able to obtain money that way. And that money – your money – is used by the jews to give fellow tribesmen a leg up, and to fund the lawyers that lobbies that are keeping America’s borders open to third worlders who have no other reason to come here other than to take what they can and then run for it before things crumble.
The Asians spend amongst each other to help each other move up. And to keep Uncle Sam’s hooked nose out of it. However, Uncle Sam doesn’t care. He only wants to target those rotten White Americans. He looks the other way at Jewish, Asian, non-white business and financial malfeasance for the most part. His quarrel is with Whites. He wants them gone. After all, the real Uncle Sam was replaced decades ago, replaced by one of the sick soldiers of Rabbi Rabbinovich. He’s now brother to Abe Foxman.
@ Mel …
Having tracked back through many of the earlier comments, it looks like you have contributed more than your fair share of baiting and hostility. There is also more than a tinge of Marxism in your worldview, at least as far as your comments on this page go. You also wrote this earlier:
“… so too do websites like TOO lead the white nationalist movement nowhere by encouraging xenophobia, ad hominem attacks and baiting while the actual staff are clever enough not to make any such overt statements themselves.”
Frankly, I don’t know what you are talking about. I see no xenophobia being encouraged here. The Occidental Observer publishes some of the highest quality and most thought-provoking articles on “Race Issues” you will find anywhere (print or online). And if we erase all the ubiquitous, defensive, and highly provocative comments posted by “Raj” … and also that venomous comment published by “White_Advocate” a few days ago … then this debate thread has been surprisingly, if not very civil. Especially so when you take into consideration the painful subject matter of the original article. Are we to assume you possess a sensitive disposition and hate it when anyone makes a barbed comment?
You might do well to watch some of the debates in the British House of Parliament. The verbal jousting can get pretty hairy at times, but many opposing politicians go off to drink beer or wine together later in the day.
You know, I am having great difficulty working out exactly ‘where you are coming from’ Mel. You have a Marxist understanding of the British Raj (as per your earlier comment on the Sikhs) and you are very easy to offend. You have pointed indignantly at several commenters here, and now, you have even pointed a sarcastic and accusing finger at TOO.
You have already made it clear you believe TOO is leading “… the white nationalist movement nowhere by encouraging xenophobia, ad hominem attacks and baiting”. Is that just your highly emotional interpretation Mel, or can you provide evidence, or even proof that might justify such an outlandish accusation??
Listen up. Your country, Canada, is even more ‘screwed’ than the United States is. Many have described Canada as the New World Order’s Favourite Bitch. Typical Canadians are thin-skinned at the best of times. Docile and quiet most of the time, but heaven forbid if anyone treads on your paws! Suddenly all hell has to break loose. The response is immediately violent, just like those flair-ups we keep seeing in your Ice Hockey games!
You need to calm down Mel, and reflect a little more deeply. I would guess it is not only I who would appreciate you ending your habit of hurling sanctimonious accusations at your ethnic brothers via your comments. If you wish to be better understood, then why don’t you try and author an article for publication by TOO, that allows YOU to propose a way forward we could all subscribe to?? In other words … walk your talk without the bitching.
The achilles heel of the white race IMO is the failure to recognize Natural Law as the driving force behind all human interactions, chosing instead to be led by human machinations…Judeochristianity, democracy, equality etc.
This in spite of the fact these false Gods are detroying not only the white race, but humanity itself, (world economy, global warming, divorce, homosexuality, crime, etc.)
Excellent observation ‘henry baxley’. I am in whole-hearted agreement with you.
Westerners have been conditioned to reject natural law and to both embrace and worship the abstract.
The whole Western Civilizational edifice is built on sand. Sand carried into Europe by the ship-load from Canaan and Babylonia, via Rome.
PS; While race ( “Diversity”) per se is certainly un-natural and damaging to any society due to TERRITORIAL IMPERITIVE and IDENTITY IMPERITIVE. What is far more destructive is the GENDER FACTOR or so called “equality”
Note: equality doesn’t exist in nature.
It is no accident that Muslim societies/families are much stronger than those in the west, they recognize the evil, un-natural effects of gender “equality”
We need to focus less on the product of equality (social deterioration) and more on equality itself. IMHO
The problem is that no country can base its immigration laws exclusively on ethnic/racial principles as long as the UN conventions are in power… – ‘ethnonationalism’
I wonder what Kommissar Pillay would say about South Korea’s massive crackdown on illegal immigrants in their country -
So much for the “Right’ to Migrate” trumping all. ;)
Editor’s note: This is the mindset we are up against. Presumably written by one of the hundreds of millions of people for whom such a policy coincides with their ethnic interests. The comment follows. Kevin MacDonald
Frankly I do not believe in the idea of passports (and passport fees) or borders or nations. The world belongs to everyone and barriers from migrating ANYWHERE one wishes should not be imposed on anyone, especially those who have not committed crimes. Maybe maintain the passport requirements ONLY on criminals specifically? (The following is unnecessary but included to highlight societies of today : That would encourage local governments to invest in their people’s sense of justice and ethics because criminals will not be allowed to travel and a bad society or governance paradigm!)
This effective disallowal of people from moving around worldwide creates police state mentality and subjects them to the mercy of the state and should be liberalised. All non-criminals should be allowed to travel the world unimpeded. What was it like 300 years ago? Anyone could travel anywhere and local laws would punish criminals as well. There was not passport or what not, badly governed or nepotistic and dictatorial nations would thus see their citizens migrate away from them until they died out, good nations would grow and prosper instead of being trapped into elections systems (and profiteering mechanisms thereof) that again are not even participatory or even democratic, being mostly representative democracies, with the exception a portion of USA’s governance the 1 man 1 vote for President, though the wide ranging powers of Presidents could again be separated into expert councils and the President’s powers itself could be to VETO more than anything else.
Back to nations and migration. People who are criminal (refer to crimes in the most common sense manner, negative freedoms like as discussed throughout my FB site ARE NOT CRIMES) could still be expelled from places or kept in certain quarantine districts (rather than prisons – Thieves Quarter / City of Thieves anyone?) they had been criminal in.
Networking with technology could easily ensure that such persons won’t be able to run off to another nation and cause trouble, but migration ESPECIALLY by goodly and hardworking folks should be ENTIRELY UNIMPEDED or plutocratic in nature (requires certain amounts of funds etc..)
The current system breeds Xenophobia and encourages wars or hegemonies including over residents of any country, the right to migrate has been trampled on since the passport was introduced, what is needed in fact is redistribution of wealth and land ownership if we even claim to have left the dark ages. Google “20 million” + “Utopia” or check out “Utopia – Capitalism with Socialist Caps on Personal Wealth”.
AgreeToDisagree, LOL that sounds like a high school teacher I had that claimed to be a “world citizen”. Good lord. There are so many problems with this line of reasoning it would take a lifetime to straighten them out. There are people like that out there, but I think the numbers that hold such hardcore beliefs are small.
“Western societies have rejected an identity based on their traditional people and culture in favor of an ideology that they are nothing more than “proposition nations”–a major theme of The Culture of Critique. Such proposition nations are ill-equipped to establish a principled intellectual defense against such egregious expansions of rights.”
I saw that obnoxious Hollywitz jew Richard Dreyfuss spreading the disarming “proposition nation” lie on CNN’s Parker/Spitzer last night; bloviating about his concern that today’s young shabbos goyim aren’t sufficiently Pavloved with it in the kosher indoctrination camps laughably called schools.
Well said. What is even worse is that the “proposition” is the wrong one. IMO
Not in Israel it doesn’t, there they get held in a detention facility in the Negev desert.
Note that in Israeli politician refer to ordinary illegal immigrants as “infiltrators”, a term Israelis associate with armed terrorists.
Navi Pillai is a South African Tamil women. The Tamils are a south Indian people from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu. They have historically been among the largest migrant groups from India. Tamils have migrated from Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka, Malaysia, South Africa, Fiji and the Carribean and more recently to Europe, Canada and the USA. The Tamils claim discrimination in many of the countries to which they have migrated, including Malaysia where government policies discriminate in favour of ethnic Malays and Sri Lanka where they have been the victims as well as perpetrators of ethnic violence. In South Africa, they have suffered from ethnic violence from the majority black population in the past, though since the ending of apartheid, some have found high positions within officialdom, like Navi Pillai herself has done prior to being appointed as a UN bureaucrat (the UN is 20% funded by the USA by the way. It would collapse without USA tax payer generosity). Tamils who have moved to other parts of India like Bombay are sometimes resented by the locals and are generally not respected. They tend to be disparagingly called “Madrasis” by local Bombayite people.
Tamil communities in Europe and Canada have very high levels of (Tamil on Tamil) violence due to the prevalence of gang culture, far in excess of any other immigrant community from the continent of Asia. The violence was featured in a British documentary called “The gangs of London, the tamils” which may be available on youtube. Also, in Britain, many Tamil shop keepers and small business people were found to have taken part in a credit card fraud, passing on their customers credit card details to a criminal operation which was probably connected to the Tamil Tiger terrorist operation, which itself was also connected with drug and people smuggling operations in India and elsewhere. Furthermore, in contrast to the generally good reputation of Indians in the USA as being successful, the Tamils tend to congregate in the lowest rungs of the employment ladder in the Anglo Saxon countries in which they live, and frequently live on state handouts.
Like in most Indian states, there is a variety of skin complexions in Tamil Nadu, but in general, the Tamils are the darkest of the Indian people, and many are completely black in color. Indeed, many Tamils who migrated to South Africa were darker than the local Africans. This is because they have had the least admixture of Indo European blood of all the peoples of India, as is to be expected as they live in the southernmost extremity. The Tamil language is quite different to the Indo European languages spoken in most of the rest of India. Tamil is classified as a “Dravidian” language, Dravid being an old Sanskrit term for Tamil.
In keeping with their low achievement within western countries, tamil nadu state remains a relatively backward state, which is out performed by its immediate neighbouring states. Tamil Nadu has a film industry which features films which are more violent than those produced by the more well known Bombay industry. Indeed, knifing is frequently shown as a normal almost heroic act in these films. The Tamil film industry is one of the largest in the world and as is to be expected, tends to feature light skinned actors and actresses.
Tamils tend to be extremely ethnocentric and will tend to support their own group at the expense of others. Tamil Nadu politics is dominated by Tamil nationalist parties which are anti north Indian, anti the Hindi language and especially anti the Brahmin caste as the latter are light skinned people of North Indian derivation who tend to promote Sanskrit influences. Purity drives to cleanse the Tamil language of Sanskrit influences have been the norm in Tamil Nadu cultural discourse. Tamils living in the west tend to be far more politically active than perhaps any other recent immigrant group, especially in Britain and Canada, and they always strongly favour the left wing party, like Britains Labour party, due to the latter being far more tolerant of immigration and in the provision of state handouts on which the Tamils are heavily dependent. Tamils also frequently campaign with pro immigrant activist groups in favour of keeping the borders open and in allowing refugee immigration in all the countries in which they live.
Navi Pillai’s stance is wholly in keeping with Tamil tradition and Tamil group self interest. Almost any Tamil in her position will seek to do what is in the best interests of the Tamils, which is to migrate westward in droves.
Notably, the majority of the quite large Tamil population in Europe and North America derive from the relatively small, Sri Lankan and Caribean/Fijian Tamil populations. The Tamil population of tamil nadu state is about 70 million and has still not taken on the trend of migrating westwards though many are working in the Gulf States as temporary workers. When the Tamil Nadu Tamils start catching up with the migration trend, a large number of them are likely to end up in the Anglo Saxon west, where the Tamil infrastructure and organisation and political outreach and influence already exists and into which they can easily fit in. And they will be helped at the highest levels as Navi Pillai and her successors will be doing their upmost to ensure that no obstacles are placed in their way.
In the end, the only reason Raj, jews, other non-whites fear White Nationalism, fear Whites with a sense of their own ethnic separateness, is because they are intimidated. Their peoples have never accomplished anything on their own rivaling Western Civilization. This is why they try to claim credit for so much the West and Whites have done. If Whites were to disappear, the jews would claim credit for all their achievements. Something the jews hope to do anyway if they can eradicate whites.
Despite media and multicult distortions, while Christian males invented 99% of math, science, and physics. Sorry there just isn’t any debate about this. There is tons of false attribution but that’s another story.
Don’t believes the lies of the likes of New (Jew) York Times / C(hicano)NNs, or those of TOO’s swarthy guest posters, the greatest mathematicians and physicists have always been and are today White males.