‘Death to America’: A new poem by Osama bin Laden?

Dr. Lasha Darkmoon

A puzzling new poem, reportedly written by Osama bin Laden in the wake of 9-11, is here presented to the world for the first time in an edited translation. The reader is asked to decide whether the poem, prophesying Armageddon and the coming destruction of America, is an authentic bin Laden poem or an imitation.

On May 16, 2007, on my twenty-ninth birthday, a beautifully written manuscript in calligraphic script fell into my hands in India. This was simply a series of sentences separated by diagonal strokes (/) which purported to be a literal, word-for-word paraphrase in English of an extended poem written in Arabic by Osama bin Laden in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

Bits had been added to the manuscript (in the broad margins) over the intervening years. These served as commentaries and clarifications. The poem was divided into several parts, each headed by a symbol which I took to be a letter of the Arabic alphabet.

The scary title of the manuscript: DEATH TO AMERICA.


I was given to understand that various versions of this poem, both in Arabic and Urdu, had begun to circulate in late 2001 in the tea houses of Rawalpindi, Karachi and Lahore. One such version of the poem had been obtained by my Sanskrit tutor, Bengali poet Ananda Kumar Bannerji, while vacationing with his family in Srinagar, Kashmir. He handed me the manuscript in Pondicherry, South India, at the Sri Aurobindo ashram at which both of us happened to be staying at the time. He asked me what I thought of the poem.

I was in no position to judge the “authenticity” of the mishmash of ravings that confronted me; nor did I attempt to do so at that stage.

Being a poet-translator myself, I decided on an impulse—and purely as a literary exercise—to translate into rhymed English verse the somewhat disconnected scraps that had come my way. It seemed to me that this fascinating material, which was essentially a rant of rage against Western civilization in general and America in particular, would provide a useful clue to Americans who keep asking, Why do they hate us?”

The intelligent reader may be wondering at this point if his leg is being pulled. Did Osama bin Laden actually write this hysterical diatribe? Is there the slightest evidence that such a poem ever existed in the original Arabic? There are certainly no traces of such a maledictory poem in existence right now, either in Arabic or Urdu or in any other language, as far as I know. Bin Laden was of course a skilled poet, and many of his poems have been translated into English, but did he write this one?

My own view is that it is not altogether certain that bin Laden is the author of this particular poem, though the possibility cannot be discounted. He may have written it originally in the wake of 9-11 and added bits to it over the years, e.g., the references to the Iraq war and the Abu Ghraib scandal which surfaced in early 2004. To a large extent, it would depend on whether bin Laden was the evil genius behind 9-11. If he was, this would obviously increase the chances that he had written the poem—for in the poem he gloats over America’s humiliation on September 11, 2001, and predicts more 9-11’s to come.

Nowhere in the poem, however, does bin Laden accept personal responsibility for 9-11. He is pleased that the act was done, but so were thousands of other people throughout the world who celebrated the event with champagne parties and dancing in the streets—as Tariq Ali revealed in the introduction of his excellent book The Clash of Fundamentalisms.

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What finally persuaded me to offer this poem up for publication, given that it has been gathering dust on my shelves for the last three years? I guess the time is right. It would be a shame to let the poem lie around unread. The material has curiosity value. It provides, moreover, an insight into the terrorist mind. It is certainly a shocking poem, though its shock potential would have been far greater if there had been proof that Osama bin Laden had actually written it. There is no such proof.

Indeed, there is no proof that Osama bin Laden orchestrated 9-11 at all.

The only “proof” that Al Qaeda was behind 9-11 is that the American government and the notoriously unreliable and mendacious mainstream mass media say so. Beyond this authoritative assertion of fact—an assertion that becomes increasingly unconvincing by the day—there is no proof whatever for the claim that bin Laden orchestrated 9-11. There is certainly no scientific evidence for such a claim.

Indeed, contrary to government claims, newly released evidence points to the theory that the World Trade Center twin towers must have been brought down by the prior placement of nanothermite and other powerful explosives within the buildings. (See here).

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Here are some relevant facts the reader would do well to consider before reading the poem.

Though many taped messages have purportedly been issued by Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, not one of them after September 9, 2002 has been authenticated as genuine by independent experts such as the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, based in Martigny, Switzerland. (Institut Dalle Molle d’Intelligence Artificielle Perceptive, now the IDIAP Research Institute).

For further details of doctored bin Laden tapes, see here, here, here and here.

The only “experts” to validate the later bin Laden tapes have been those same intelligence agencies whose reputation for deceiving the public is now legendary.

Thus genuine videotapes delivered to al-Jazeera TV in late 2001, featuring an emaciated and white-bearded bin Laden disclaiming responsibility for 9-11, offer a bizarre contrast to the obviously fake bin Laden video tape of  November 9, 2001—a tape conveniently “discovered” by American soldiers in an abandoned house in Jalalabad. Here a suspiciously plump and black-bearded Osama is suddenly found fessing up to 9-11.

Bin Laden was not a man given to lying. On September 17, 2001 he issued a message to al-Jazeera, disclaiming all responsibility for 9-11.

I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation.”  (17 Sept. 2001)….“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks… (28 Sept. 2001). See here and here.

Bin Laden is now almost certainly dead. An obituary notice announcing his funeral appeared in al-Wafd (an Egyptian newspaper) on December 26, 2001. It became perfectly safe after this date to issue bogus bin Laden tapes ad nauseam, threatening the west with fire and brimstone, given that the real Osama was no longer around to deny the authenticity of the same tapes.

All these fake tapes and phoney bin Laden lookalikes are surely signs of acute desperation. The perpetrators of Abu Ghraib have not only lost the moral high ground—they have lost the war on terror.

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Here now is the 4-part poem purportedly penned by Osama bin Laden in the wake of 9-11. I have translated the English paraphrase I received into 8-line rhyming stanzas based on a strict A-B-C-D-B-A-C-D rhyming scheme. This was because the original Arabic, according to my friend Mr Bannerjee, was couched in the complicated rhyming prose found in the Qur’an.

The reader is asked to make allowances for the apocalyptic language. This is all part of the original. Toning it down so as to make it more palatable to Western tastes would be self-defeating. Decide for yourself if this is a genuine Osama bin Laden poem, penned by the Master Terrorist himself, or if it is an imitation

One final point: I would like to assure the reader that, in submitting this poem for publication, I am not myself the perpetrator of a puerile literary hoax. I did not write this poem myself, nor am I receiving either fame or fortune from its publication. I have merely translated, in good faith, a prose paraphrase of someone else’s rendition of an extended poem in Arabic reportedly written by Osama bin Laden in late 2001 and added to subsequently by bin Laden himself or other scribe(s). If there are any Western resonances in the poem (e.g., “shooting fish in a barrel”), this is because my version is presented through the prism of my own personality and bears the stamp of my style and character. This is not only a translation, remember, it is a translation of a translation. Many of the ideas sketched in the poem, particularly in Part 3 which is about Israel, are clearly out of date and erroneous. The idea that Israel is an American colony is one such wrong idea.

Here now is the poem:  an extended malediction of America and a prophecy of its impending doom.

Death  to  America

Do what you can, and so shall we. Just wait!—we too are waiting.

—    Qur’an XI. 121-22

1. The Great Satan

The inhabitants of the earth
Are drunk
With the wine of your fornications!
You have given birth
To terror, hatred, hysteria!
Your people are sunk
In stupefaction.

Darkness has come upon you.
You think you live in the light.
Your eyes have been blinded.
Your people stumble in darkness.
Greed has undone you.
Pride and lust are your blight.
God’s sees, and has minded!

Miserable crew, forever whining
About 9/11 and your precious virtue!
As if you alone had known pain
And the world were under obligation
To kiss your feet and court you
And approach you with shining
Eyes—you blot, you stain!—
You object of utter detestation!

Country of murderers and thieves,
Bloodsuckers of the Third World,
Devils with smiling faces—
My curse on you for ever!
May your land be reduced to a wild
Desolation, may all that lives
In your tainted spaces
Never know peace—or joy—ever!

2.   The Coming Doom

Where your people once lived
Secure in the illusion
Of their superior virtue,
There the bison will roam
Again, the frog spread confusion
Over the marshes, the vulture thrive.
There’ll be none to hurt you
There, buried beneath your slime!

Another people will possess your land
Taking your place, a race
From beyond the sea, superior
In virtue: one that practises
What you only preach, showing a face
Of kindness and compassion and
Care for mankind: a race far dearer
To God, and less prone to vices.

You brew trouble, you foment wars
So you can peddle your arms.
Pain screams
From the mouths of children so
That your hatchers of harm
Can trinket their whores
And live the American dream.
That way lies hell, and there you go!

You defile all the regions you rule,
You scatter your bases and rob
The lands you begrime and bescum!
Who helps to kill children for kicks
In Palestine? May Abu Ghraib
Gnaw away at your inmost soul
Like a maggot! The time will come
When your backs will be beaten by sticks!

3.   The  Holy  Land

Israel!—an American colony
Disguised as a Jewish state,
Deliberately planted to destabilize
And drive entire races demented!
A country whose main product is hate,
Whose raison d-être is to make misery,
Where peace would be the only surprise!
A country not owned, but rented

From the Arabs temporarily, by force
Where the rent is always in arrears.
America, the day will come
When the rent will have to be paid
With compound interest. You’ll reap in tears
What you sowed in joy! At the end of this course,
You will pick up the tab and become
Chief debtor for the monster you made!

See, the betrayer of the Jews—
The Jews themselves! Or rather
Those who call themselves Jews, the pseudo
Ashkenazi Jews with their blue eyes
And blonde hair! Could any race be further
From the true Semitic Jews whose
Blended blood has been poured into
Other bloods under alien skies?

These are the ones, the hocus-pocus
Imposter Jews, who now blow the trumpet
For Zion, stigmatizing
Their critics, and heaping abuse
On those who object to the rank armpit
Of Israel!—Oh, how we loathe these bogus
European Jews whose devisings
Were all learnt from Hitler’s hellcrews.

4.   The Day of Reckoning

September 11? That was just
The beginning! Prepare for more
Of the same!—for further contingents
Of “cowards” hell bent on suicide
Flying in to your hated shores!
How can you win? You’ve already lost!
You’ve lost respect: the moral argument.
You are universally despised!

Invincible America, aren’t you glad
You’re so strong? What “courage” it must take
To skulk behind the clouds and rain
Cluster bombs on the weak, without peril
To your own skins! Yes, it’s a piece of cake
Killing women and children in Baghdad!
Congratulations, America! You win
First prize for shooting fish in a barrel!

Hear now my message: Depart
From our lands: you have your own.
Don’t steal our oil! It lies under
Our sands, and there it shall stay!
Get out of our sight! Leave us alone!
Practise the torturer’s art
On your own people! I wonder
What Christ would think of Camp X-ray?

Nation of impudent parasites!—
Supervirus of the world!—
So you think you hold all the aces?
Hear now my curse: May all your bones
Be broken, your ashes all whirled
To the wind! May you who delight
In sowing tares in all places

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Whatever the authenticity of the poem, what comes through is an almost visceral hatred of the West for its hypocrisy in wittering on about human rights while carrying on a war against Islam; for its addiction to personal vices—greed, pride, and lust; for its history of Third World exploitation; for its sponsorship of Israel, “a country whose main product is hate.”  The poem is a call for jihad against the West and America in particular and it predicts victory for Islam-by “a race superior in virtue: one that practises what you only preach.”

Questions of equal importance are these, though this is obviously not the time or place to address them: Is bin Laden a paper tiger? Is Al Qaeda a myth? Are Islamic “terrorists” a figment of the neoconservative imagination? Was 9-11 orchestrated as an excuse to wage war on the Muslim world and plunder its resources?      It is now a well-entrenched “conspiracy theory” that 9-11 was a false flag attack that gave the neoconservatives what they had long been looking for: a pretext to attack Iraq and Afghanistan and launch a crusade against the Islamic world. In the words of Professor David Ray Griffin, 9-11 was “the New Pearl Harbor.”

We need to ask ourselves how many Muslims, in revenge for 9-11, have now been killed and maimed by America—”supervirus of the world” and “universally despised”—in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, the West Bank and Gaza. How many more innocents are expected to die “like fish in a barrel” in Iran, Syria and Lebanon in future wars orchestrated by neoconservatives in Washington (many of them with Israeli passports) for the sole benefit of Israel?

One would think that Al Qaeda, having pulled off 9-11 with such ease, would get its act together and assassinate every single neoconservative in America. To quote Paul Craig Roberts writing in VDARE, a highly respected political columnist and former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury:

If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day..The argument is not believable that a government that was incapable of preventing 9/11 is so all-knowing that it can prevent assassination of unprotected neocons..Try to imagine the propaganda value of terrorists wiping out the neoconservatives in one fell swoop, followed by an announcement that every member of the federal government down to the lowest GS, every member of the House and Senate, and every governor was next in line to be bumped off.

Makes you think, doesn’t it? Bin Laden must be smiling in his grave.

Dr Lasha Darkmoon (email her) is an academic, age 32, with higher degrees in Classics. She is also a published poet and translator whose verse can be sampled here. “Lasha Darkmoon” is a pen name.

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143 Comments to "‘Death to America’: A new poem by Osama bin Laden?"

  1. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 20, 2011 - 5:21 am | Permalink


    Xanadu says, I guess the reason that stanza is so effective is that I, the translator, got carried away when composing it — since I found myself agreeing passionately with the sentiments expressed there by bin Laden.

    Well I guess that answers my question, the translator wholeheartedly embraces the sentiments of the poem. This is not encouraging.

  2. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 20, 2011 - 5:15 am | Permalink

    Was it ever determined if this poem, “Death to America”, supposedly written by Bin Laden, was authentic? And are we to assume, in any sense, that the sentiments put forward in this poem are representative of the translator (in this case Lasha Darkmmon) or of The Occidental Observer in general?

  3. janes's Gravatar janes
    July 9, 2011 - 2:06 am | Permalink

    America’s flaws don’t change the fact that the Arab world is morally,intellectualy,politically bankrupt.It’s running out of water.The life support machine of oil money and foreign aid props up and prolongs its’ pathetic existence.

  4. M's Gravatar M
    February 20, 2011 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    My poem, approx 6 months post 911:

    Eyes lidded with vanity
    her hands in conformity
    lift this goblet heavy
    toward cowardly lips

    All that is real
    now forsaken

    Drink deep!
    this comforting lie
    taste the treacherous blood
    of your damnation

    Blind be us all!
    To the silent terror
    swallowing our world
    in unspoken revelation

    Behold! – thy bride
    Oh wretched mankind
    this howling whore of

    Take her! Your wife
    Her afterbirth – Your child
    behold this hideous

  5. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    January 3, 2011 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Hi Madame Butterfly
    Of course i remember you, how could i forget you?
    I am still there at the Ugly Truth
    My new name is “The Avatar”.
    Great piece of work that movie, aint? a white guy helps what would be the Afghanis or Iraqis in a movie directed by a Jew and a Palestinian like me adopts it!

  6. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 3, 2011 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @ Der weiße Engel

    Thanks, White Angel. I guess the reason that stanza is so effective is that I, the translator, got carried away when composing it — since I found myself agreeing passionately with the sentiments expressed there by bin Laden. The poem is more than an extended malediction, it is also a cri de coeur.

  7. Der weiße Engel's Gravatar Der weiße Engel
    January 2, 2011 - 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Another powerful article by Lasha. The intricate set up regarding the origins of the poem is worthy of Edgar Allen Poe. I particularly liked this stanza:

    Invincible America, aren’t you glad
    You’re so strong? What “courage” it must take
    To skulk behind the clouds and rain
    Cluster bombs on the weak, without peril
    To your own skins! Yes, it’s a piece of cake
    Killing women and children in Baghdad!
    Congratulations, America! You win
    First prize for shooting fish in a barrel!

    It’s important that people begin to dream of the dissolution of the American Empire, and understand the role of technology in making such abominations possible.

  8. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 2, 2011 - 9:05 pm | Permalink

    @ Someday

    Thank you for your thoughtful input, Someday. I think I have benefited quite a lot from our brief interchanges. Kind regards and blessings…and Happy New Year.


  9. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 2, 2011 - 7:24 pm | Permalink

    @ Joe Webb

    “Gettting back to Pakistan and its Bomb, I recall Arundati Roy (sp?) , the Indian writer who reported her chats with Pakistani physicists who helped build Pakistan’s Bomb. At least one of them dismissed nuclear war on the basis of reincarnation…what the hell, it will all come ’round again. These are the folks we are dealing with.”

    Only trouble with this story, Joe, is that they don’t believe in reincarnation in Pakistan. That’s in India. In Pakistan, they believe that when you die you either go to heaven or hell.

  10. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 2, 2011 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    @ Joe Webb

    “First, I hope Lasha is not taking my remark about plagiarism as some kind of innuendo. I just try to joke around a little in general. People plagiarize Lasha, not the reverse.”

    I didn’t know that was you kidding around, Joe. You posted under another name. (“hp”)

    I actually know another guy who posts under the name of “hp” (his initials) on another website…and we get on like a house on fire. So I was a bit concerned that he should suddenly start accusing me of being a plagiarist!

  11. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 2, 2011 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    First, I hope Lasha is not taking my remark about plagiarism as some kind of innuendo. I just try to joke around a little in general. People plagiarize Lasha, not the reverse.

    Second, in reply to Madama Butterfly, nothing I would like to see more than Israel removed from world atlases, one way or the other. Of course, my irresponsible use of the word “nuke” is poetic license… on this list. What we should use is all the gorgeous weaponry that we possess short of nukes…and that, only after neutralizing their nuke capacity. After all, Palestine should still be there after a day or two of pulverization …for the Palestinians.

    As for Persia possessing the Bomb, and I think it is naive to claim that it does not want one…everybody wants one…I don’t want ANYONE to have the bomb, except Whites. Think Pakistan with its 84 average IQ. I recall Robert Fisk, narrowly avoiding a lynch mob in Pakistan. One of the lynchmobsters thought he was George Bush. How far away is Pakistan taken over by the Jihadists? Remember the Cuban missile crisis? Castro, a probably Jew, wanted to nuke the U.S. and only Khruchev had the White brain and emotional power to totally keep those missiles manned only by Russians.

    Which gets me back to Iraq and Arab countries in general. Because they are actually dumber than our Blacks (under 85 most of them), “Democracy” is not gong to work because they lack the Restraint that comes with higher IQ , and their Emotional Quotient is such that they , like our blacks and mexers who have about the same IQs, are emotionally challenged as well. So, only a dictatorship of sorts will work there with repression the major means of political control.

    This is also true of our Blacks and the Mexers. Repression and/or segregation is the only method of dealing with them. Gettting back to Pakistan and its Bomb, I recall Arundati Roy (sp?) , the Indian writer who reported her chats with Pakistani physicists who helped build Pakistan’s Bomb. At least one of them dismissed nuclear war on the basis of reincarnation…what the hell, it will all come ’round again. These are the folks we are dealing with. They are not Whites.

    As for Israel’s ability to nuke us, think again. They have a couple of nuke subs. We have dozens of attack subs with, I assume, the best counter-measures available. If Israel tried to nuke us or Europe, Israel would be obliterated and every jew in the world dismembered piece-by-piece. Masada would be tea and cookies in comparison.

    The point here I suppose can be compared to containment of the USSR in the post-war world, per George Kennan. It worked. Israel needs to be contained. Israel is going to die one way or the other as most intelligent folks see. Many jews see it as well.

    Finally, while there is a very slim chance of this happening, if jews had any emotional stability, which most don’t, they would forget about killing us off and join up with Whites and accept a subaltern position in White and European Civilization. This probably will not happen, and thus the real holocaust is just around the corner.


  12. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 2, 2011 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    @ Someday

    I value your comments more than I do those of many other posters on this site and I therefore welcome your suggestions as to how I can improve the quality of my output.

    “No one ought to be averring Jewish culpability without some proper evidence,” you write. I agree with that. But please do take another look at my article, dear Someday, and you will see that at no point did I blame 9-ll on the Jews.

    I took the same line as Professor Griffin. I merely said that it was hard to believe that Bin Laden and his merry band of nineteen boxcutters had pulled off 9-11. Whoever ever did it, it wasn’t the Arabs.

    At no time did I say that Israel or Mossad or the “Jews” were behind 9-11.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

      Professor Griffin was indeed a professor, of philosophy of religion and theology. You know when Oliver Lodge (a big name in hard science) lectured in support of spiritualism his greatest opponents were clerics.

      “merry band of nineteen boxcutters:
      Boxcutters are comical right?

      Ex Israeli commando Daniel M. Lewin may have shared your opinion of boxcutters right up until Sayeret Matkal killed him by stabbing him in the throat with one.

      “Whoever ever did it, it wasn’t the Arabs”

      Look at what you’re doing Lasha; you find something ‘hard to believe’ ( which is fair enough) , next minute you’re saying it definitely isn’t true.

  13. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 2, 2011 - 12:07 pm | Permalink

    hp @ January 1, 2011 – 11:25 pm

    I suspect this poem (at least parts of it) has been plagiarized.
    From Cochise or perhaps Crazy Horse. I for one do not believe Mr. Bin Laden would stoop so low as to steal another’s thunder.

    If you could supply us with a link to Cochise or Crazy Horse, whose poetry I am not acquainted with, we could then decide if any plagiarism has been involved. We could do this by a simple line-by-line comparison of the two versions.

    Meanwhile, I’d like to assure you that I myself am not guilty of any plagiarism!

    I spent several months working on this translation.

    Incidentally, the actual translation you read was only one-third the length of the original. I was forced to cut it down and edit out the longueurs, the obscure Islamic references, and the tedious repititions. What we have left here is the bare bones or essence of the poem: an extended malediction.

    The original title of the poem was BIN LADEN’S CURSE.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

      Lasha, you can write well but you’re too trusting of assertions by the 9/11-was-an-Israeli-false-flag-operation crowd. Why don’t you concentrate on writing articles about art, culture and things which could dovetail with Kevin MacDonalds work. I am not complaining about the emotion with which the message is being conveyed, it’s the actual content. The articles you did about art were far more interesting than stuff like this post. No one ought to be averring Jewish culpability without some proper evidence ( which seems to be a habit for some), it only damages the credibility of TOO. Those who come here should be impressed with the rigor of the articles, not think to themselves ‘they believe in crazy 9-11 conspiracy stories – what does that say about their judgement’.

  14. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 2, 2011 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @ Joe Webb

    You make several good points, Joe. One thing you say I have to disagree with. You say you are “uncomfortable” with Iran have nuclear warheads.

    Why, Joe? Being reading too many of the Zionist papers recently? Have they managed to convince you that Iran is an evil Muslim country anxious to nuke Tel Aviv and, after that, New York?

    First, Joe, consider the facts. There is not the slightest evidence that Iran is after nuclear weapons. The IAEA has has said so several times. Their nuclear ambitions are apparently 100 percent peaceful. For generating nuclear energy for civilian purposes. They have every right to do that under international law.

    Second, don’t you think it would be a damn good idea if Iran did acquire nuclear weapons and point them in the direction of Tel Aviv?

    After all, Israel has 200-300 nuclear warheads — many of them, according to Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld, pointed at various European capitals, including Rome.

    Right now, Israel has nukes threatening every single Iranian city.

    So why shouldn’t have Iran have the capacity to defend itself against the Zionist bully?

    I bet it would come as a surprise to you to learn that our dearly beloved ally Israel has already acquired the full capacity to nuke the United States into a state of total oblivion.

    As you rightly state, our dearest friend is in fact our deadliest enemy.

    The trouble is, 95 percent of Americans don’t know this.

  15. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 2, 2011 - 12:39 am | Permalink

    well, I just lost a bunch of stuff. First, to Jommey, my third laugh of the day. Right, they won’t conquer us with their doggerel.

    Madamma Butterfly, first, you are flitting about. I never said I hated Muslims, I just don’t want to see Europe die: neither do I want the Reconquista to take California, etc. Prioritize. Muslims and Mexers first, blacks second, and jews last….the actual arab IQ , having gone back to Richard Lynn’s IQ and Global Inequality, is in the low 80s. Low IQ also means that one probably has a low ability to deal with conflict…the emotions take over.

    Whites have conquered the world and invented everything because we are smart and cooperative, relative to other races. Arabs will fight one-another forever. Iraq will blow up, Afghan and Pakis will blow up, we are in a hopeless war that jews have conned us into. They know the Arabs will never amount to much except under a dictator, etc. etc. Unfortunately, even in a population with a low average IQ, there is always room at the top for enough semi-geniuses to build bombs, write great poetry, and so on. I am not comfortable with an Iranian bomb. That does not mean I approve of an attack on Iran. We have got ourselves into a fix. What should be done is to force israel to just disappear, or make a deal with the Palestinians that they and the Arab world will accept. Then Israel should give up the bomb. with assurances by us. .

    If israel continues to start world war 3, Isreal should be nuked, its nuclear subs killed by our attack subs, and the the rest of the jews sent to Madagacar with a Morgenthau-like Plan to disarm them and turn them back into the pastoralists that they once were. Let them kill one-another off thru their genetic poison, etc.


    They are our number one Enemy , that is the enemy that can be beated. The Jews will be last because they are smart, 24/7 engaged, hate us but know how to disguise it, etc. I have had a fair amount of experience with Palestinians and odds and ends from other Arab countries in my anti-war work in the SF Bay Area. My Uncle Sam act, with sign “I want you to die for Israel” and “ISrael sings Onward Christian Soldiers” and the liberal use of swastikas embedded in the star-of-David, has incurred the disapproval of the local Palestinains, afraid as they are of the Jews. They also ally with ANSWER, the Trotskyist group, and tend to like Black gangsta rap and so on.

    Frankly, I trust a local jew over a Palestinian at demos, except for their kids who love me…they are uninstructed. When I use the word “trust” I am talking about my personal security, which, among other things, is aided by a bullet-proof vest given the threats and assaults and batteries i have recieved…yes from jews and commies. But I have seen the emotional volatility of the Palestinians, worse than the jews. Israelis have been more constrained, maybe because they are visitors, or maybe because they have been living with this stuff for longer.

    So, if you think Arabs are ok, think again. I am not against the Jews because they are fascists, I am a kind of fascist but not identified with historical fascism. I am against the jews for their destruction of White civility, race, religion,etc. and they should have their own state, just like us. Trouble is they stole Palestine and are igniting a world war. That is a consistent position with regard to White Nationalism. Everybody in their own state. Segregation of blacks from Whites, Muslims go home, mexers go home, and so on. live and let live, but kill those who would take your culture, your homeland, and so on. No sentimentality. Each to his own.

  16. hp's Gravatar hp
    January 1, 2011 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    I suspect this poem (at least parts of it) has been plagiarized.
    From Cochise or perhaps Crazy Horse.
    I for one do not believe Mr. Bin Laden would stoop so low as to steal another’s thunder.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 4, 2011 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

      ” there was a credible source, you would provide it, and you can’t.”
      I will let others follow the links (or do google news archive searches ) and decide for themselves if it was ‘widely’ reported.

      I mentioned the story of the man who survived the WTC collapsing when he was on floor 82 by ‘riding’ a beam down as an example of a non credible report which initially was taken seriously in the aftermath of 9/11 I was making the point that the 26.09.01 story

      Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen,

      is probably similar, ie a false report. I find it easy to believe that there was in fact such a report; false reports in the sensation hungry media happen all the time.

  17. January 1, 2011 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Israeli company had foreknowledge in one of the stranger 911 stories. Again, more luck? From Haaretz:

    Published 00:00 26.09.01
    Odigo says workers were warned of attack
    Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 11:40 am | Permalink

      In the immediate aftermath it was widely reported that one person on the top of a WTC tower had survived the collapse as a result of somehow ‘surfing’ down to the ground on the wreckage. Ya think that was true?

    • Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
      January 2, 2011 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

      “In the immediate aftermath it was widely reported that one person on the top of a WTC tower had survived the collapse as a result of somehow ‘surfing’ down to the ground on the wreckage.”

      Widely reported? Source please. Just a couple will do.

      “Ya think that was true?”

      No, I think you probably just made it up. I know you’re not big on sourcing your claims because I’m still waiting for the source for your Hitler “We done lost the war” quote after Stalingrad many, many moons ago. Must we wait so long again? Cheers.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

      The WTC building surfer sources.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

      I said it was from memory, I’d have to go to a reference library which has “The Psychopathic God’ and search to get the exact quote. But I don’t understand why you think it so unlikely Hitler would have told a general in November ’41 that final victory could no longer be attained.

      On the 23rd of August, the Chief of the General Staff, Colonel General Halder, held a conference at Bock’s HQ at Borisov. Also in attendance were von Kluge, Strauss, von Weichs and Guderian. Halder informed the group that Hitler had decided against an immediate drive on Moscow, and that the focus would now be on the Ukraine and the Crimea. Army Group Center was to stay on the defensive and to transfer Guderian’s Panzer Group to Army Group South.
      Von Bock made a heated telephone call to Brauchitsch to protest against the transfer of forces to Army Group South, telling him, ‘every hour that we lose is irretrievable. We are permitting the enemy the time he needs to recover, to slip from the noose we have placed upon him!’ Despite his protestations, the attack shifted southwards and Army Group Center remained on the defensive until the end of September.

      Hitler’s decision meant the failure of Germany’s attempt to conquer the USSR which he would have realized himself by November.

    • Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
      January 2, 2011 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

      Thank you for your response. I understand what you mean now. For myself, “widely reported” means reported many times in various branches of the MSM. To you, it means “an internet rumour and urban legend” on lone fringe sites. To me, a handful of lucky survivors who were in the buildings during collapse and pulled out later from the wreckage alive were just that – survivors. To you, they become “surfers”. To me, a source contains the original claim and the location where it is found. To you, it is a single Google search page. In making this claim your apples remain mixed with the oranges. Ultimately your claim that the “surfer survivor” story “widely reported” is false. And I shall continue to wait for the Hitler quote source as well. i still enjoy most of your posts though. Happy New Year, my friend.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

      If you care to follow the links the original sources are given by several sites and it was reported internationally if not (by your idiosyncratic definition) ‘ widely’.

      I long ago gave the source, ie gave the work in which the Hitler quote can be found, apparently you also have an idiosyncratic definition of ‘ source’.

    • Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
      January 2, 2011 - 7:30 pm | Permalink

      I did follow the links. Not one credible source claimed anyone “surfed”. Just fringe crank sites. Others mentioned the handful who survived, no “surfing” mentioned. Just one credible source is all I ask for your “surfer”. You said it was “widely reported” – BS! Now you say it was reported “internationally”?! If there was a credible source, you would provide it, and you can’t. And please don’t refer me to an Encyclopedia Brittanica by pointing at it to back up any other of your claims. The onus is on you, not me. You made a claim, now back it up, or STFU. Your google search page was bogus, not one credible source. If there was, you would’ve posted it! How much clearer can it be.

      As for the Hitler quote, you claimed it was in an adjutant’s diary. It is not. Then you said your source was the “Psychopathic God.” Fair enough, but its discredited author must have gotten it from somewhere, right? Or did he make it up as well? You obviously didn’t check up on it, you just took it at face value, now you say “that’s my source”? Not good enough. Bah. Some ‘source’. Some of us like proof before we believe any claims.

  18. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 1, 2011 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    The second post which argues its case equally well contradicts the above post by Shava completely.

    This is by the redoubtable SOMEDAY whose background knowledge, especially on the technical aspects of 9-11, is extremely impressive — at any rate, to a scientific ignoramus such as myself. See:

    Someday @ January 1, 2011 – 4:39 pm

    “There are several lines of evidence which converge on the conclusion that 9-11 was just what the media say it was,” Someday tells us. A terrorist attack by Arabs.

    There were two other forces making sure that the attack would be a success: Lady Luck (who had grown tired of American complacency) and gravity.”

    He continues:

    “How could a bunch of crazy Arab terrorists succeed? How could the Viet Cong win? For all its resources, America has suffered defeats before as a result of its incorrect appreciation of the situation. The reality is intelligence services often don’t know what they’re talking about.”

    This is all very well, Someday. But don’t you find it surprising that this totally clueless and incompetent government, blissfully unaware of what was to take place on September 11, 2001, had a COMPLETE LIST all the Arab “terrorists” the very next day with all their mugshots intact?

    And don’t you find it odd that Larry Silverstein and a whole bunch of other Jews made a killing out of 9-11? That Larry who should have been killed along with 3000 other Americans if he’d been in the building (as he always was for breakfast) just happened to have a doctor’s appointment on September 11!!!

    Yes, and not only Larry but his daughter too! She had to see her dentist, right?

    Talk about Lady Luck!

    And how come 400 Jews who should have been in the WTC buildings on that fateful morning just happened to have taken the day off on September 11?

    This is pushing the luck thesis a bit far, don’t you think?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 11:34 am | Permalink

      But don’t you find it surprising that this totally clueless and incompetent government, blissfully unaware of what was to take place on September 11, 2001, had a COMPLETE LIST all the Arab “terrorists” the very next day with all their mugshots intact?

      I don’t find it surprising that some people are skeptical because after the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing with 1,500 lb of explosives a piece of the truck which just happened to have a vehicle identification number led investigators to an outlet in Jersey City where had been rented by Mohammad Salameh , he reported the van stolen and returned on March 4, 1993, to get his deposit. They arrested him.

      Many were skeptical that a major terrorist attack case could be solved so quickly and easily – but it was. The 9-11 terrorists were not trying to cover their tracks as it was a suicide mission and used genuine ID which in this digital day and age means their details and ‘mugshots’ would be immediately available – fat lot of good that was after the attack.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 12:25 pm | Permalink

      And don’t you find it odd that Larry Silverstein and a whole bunch of other Jews made a killing out of 9-11?

      Apparently you believe there are no Jews involved in the Insurance companies which took a bath on 9-11,

      Larry who should have been killed along with 3000 other Americans if he’d been in the building (as he always was for breakfast) just happened to have a doctor’s appointment on September 11!!!

      Have you been drinking ? Look dear if he was in on it Larry could have started getting out of the habit of always being in the building for breakfast a few months before 9/11 so that it would not be thought unusual that he was not there the morning of 9-11. It is really stupid to think 400 Jews absented themselves on the morning the building was destroyed, don’t you think that would have been a dead giveaway (if it was true). It is preposterous to suggest that an gigantic ‘neck or nothing’ conspiracy like a 9-11 false flag op would allow such a childish mistake to be made. Actually there were hundreds of Jews killed on 9-11 but I don’t see that as evidence either way for the reason given above, (ie If it did do it Israel would have had to to do the operation without warning the Jews in the WTC).

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      April 21, 2011 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

      Ok, How many Jews were killed in the WTC on 9/11?

      Back in early 2002 I was at home ill with a bad dose of ‘flu. I was troubled about the alarming suggestion at the time that 4,000 Israeli’s and/or Jews were absent from work on 911. It (then) seemed too outrageous to be possible. So I began to have a look at the official death lists of 911 searching for Jewish names like Horowitz or Abraham.

      I went to a school with plenty of Jewish students and I speak German. I’d be as good at identifying Jewish names as most.

      I went through the list of nearly 3,000 people several times and even included names like Morris, Stone and Klein, because everyone so named I ever met was Jewish. The odds are I placed some non-Jews in the list and equally, the odds are I missed some because Jews have a habit of changing their names to ‘fit’ in with their new hosts.

      I came up with a grand total of just 76 Jewish names, starting with a Bergman and ending with a person named Zukelman. It was a sad going through that giant list, the monsters who did this wiped out whole families, including Jewish ones.

      That’s why I combed through the lists several times. Just 76 seemed an impossibly low number for Iconic workplaces like the JEWISH OWNED WTC given they’re in the city with the largest Jewish population on Earth and the headquarters of many Jewish owned Financial Empires.

      Just 76 Jews out of a ‘randomly selected’ number of 3,000 is about 1 in every 40 people or 2.5%. That would seem mathematically impossible, all things being equal that is……..

      Then, after going through the list for the last time, another odd thing dawned on me. TEN letters of the alphabet were MISSING from the list I had created! These are; A-D-I-O-Q-T-U-V-X-Y. This means no Adler, no Isadore, no Oppenheimer, no Untermeir on my list.

      Imagine rounding up at random 3,000 persons in Manhattan’s financial district and finding just one in 40 is Jewish?

      Ridiculous, I don’t know what the actual percentage of the Jewish population of New York is. Maybe someone here can enlighten us on that. My guess is about 20%. Humor me, permit me to assume it is 20% right?

      If that is so, then at least 20% of the ‘population’ of the WTC on that day would have to be 20% right?. That would mean instead of 1 person in 40 in those buildings being Jewish it would be more like one in every five, right?

      If that assumption is correct then 600 Jews should have been killed in the WTC, instead with the best will in the World, back in 2002 I came up with a list of barely 76.


      Many of them knew, but not all of them.

      There is simply no other way of accounting for this.

  19. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    January 1, 2011 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    9-11 : WHODUNIT?

    I am extremely impressed by two long posts here which argue their respective cases exceptionally well, but which are mutually contradictory.

    The first, by SHIVA, argues that Mossad and the neocons were responsible for 9-11. It offers many convincing arguments to buttress this conclusion. See:

    Shiva @ January 1, 2011 – 11:00 am:

    “The Washington Times published an article on September 10, 2001, which says that Mossad is capable of attacking Western targets and making it look as if others (Palestinians etc) did it.

    There are 3 sorts of conspiracy theories:

    1. The CIA did it for oil: to consolidate the Anglo-American

    2. Mossad did it — using Arabs who perhaps did not know the overall plan — because Israel wants to expand its borders and because it wants to build the Third Temple where the Dome of the Rock now stands. These goals require war with Islam. Why not get the US to do it for them, using the oil issue as a smokescreen?

    3. [Bin Laden and the] Arabs did it, and the CIA knew about it and let it happen, as with Pearl Harbor.

    I believe the 2nd theory is the correct one.

    The rest of the post is very well argued, it seems to me, and is well worth reading several times to absorb its important message.

    This is not to say I agree with its ideas — only that I do not disagree with them. I am a 9-11 agnostic or skeptic who finds Shiva’s ideas convincing and appealing.

    Such ideas are NOT the ideas of wild-eyed wingnuts. Professor David Ray Griffin was to first to show convincingly that, whatever the truth of the matter, the official version put forward by the government could not possibly be true.

    The government appointed its favorite Jews to conduct an investigation of 9-11. Much evidence was deliberately destroyed.
    To date, there has been no independent investigation.

    To put neocon Jews in charge of a 9-11 investigation is, in any case, pretty laughable. It’s putting Jack the Ripper in charge of a sex crime investigation.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      January 1, 2011 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

      “The Washington Times published an article on September 10, 2001, which says that Mossad is capable of attacking Western targets and making it look as if others (Palestinians etc) did it

      But the above quote was in the context of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict inside Israel. It was talking about a very limited situation.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      January 1, 2011 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

      The 3 options outlined by Xanadu sound almost like the 3 options in this post on another site a year ago, that was quoting Peter Meyers, a conspiracy theorist. The website that uses the quote is run by a pro-Muslim guy in Germany – a German that converted to Islam. I mention this because there is a tendency in Islam to believe in far-fetched conspiracy theories. Indeed, instead of working on real problems (like political and scientific progress) they fritter away their time on the latest bogey man responsible for “keeping them down”. This is not an example to follow.

      If you notice there is a common thread among the Muslims, Alex Jones, and Jesse Ventura: They tend to blame the “Anglo-Empire” more than anything else. I have heard Alex Jones rattle on about the royal family like they were truly a threat. Jess Ventura will shake his head talk about the evils of the CIA. I have never heard, and will never hear, Alex Jones or Ventura discuss Israel and the Jews, and we all know that.

      So before getting all caught up on the conspiracy theory of the day, make sure you aren’t carrying water for the House of Saud. And remember, the gist of these various theories is that the US is the bad guy, not really Israel.

  20. svend's Gravatar svend
    January 1, 2011 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    The popular mechanics article posted was written by Michael Chertoff’s cousin. They now deny that they are relatives but when Michael Chertoffs mother was called by a Dutch journalist and asked if they knew each other she said “they grew up together”.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      January 1, 2011 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

      Thanks, Svend. That type of info is priceless.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 2, 2011 - 10:39 am | Permalink

      Cousin of Chertoff indeed! Is Vincent Dunn one too. There were a lot of firemen killed. Firemen don’t know about how buildings collapse ?

      Why did the building’s structural steel beams have a fireproof coating if fire can not weaken steel structural supports ?

  21. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    January 1, 2011 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    The only “proof” that Al Qaeda was behind 9-11 is that the American government and the notoriously unreliable and mendacious mainstream mass media say so.

    There are several lines of evidence which converge on the conclusion that 9-11 was just what the media say it was. A terrorist attack by Arabs. There were two other forces making sure that the attack would be a success – Lady Luck (who had grown tired of American complacency) and gravity.

    (1). Why did the structure of the towers fail? Jet fuel burns at 800º to 1500ºF, not hot enough to melt steel (2750ºF). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn’t need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength–and that required exposure to much less heat. “I have never seen melted steel in a building fire,” says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. “But I’ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.”


    Why couldn’t ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes’ transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country’s busiest air corridors. And NORAD’s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. “It was like a doughnut,” Martin says. “There was no coverage in the middle.” […] Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn’t prepared to track them. In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart’s Learjet, in October 1999. […] it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). “Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ,” FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers..

    (3) How could a bunch of crazy Arab terrorists succeed? How could the Viet Cong win. For all its resources America has suffered defeats before as a result of its incorrect appreciation of the situation. The reality is intelligence services often don’t know what they’re talking about.

    It is often suggested that Israel is a master of special ops and deception/ false flag operations as in the Lavon affair, however Lavon was a fiasco. In 1973 the Israeli were completely taken by surprise when the Egyptians crossed the Suez canal, blasting down the sand ramparts with high pressure hoses. The Syrians penetrated the Israeli defenses along the Golan Heights at night using night vision equipment which the Israelis lacked, this breakthrough left the Syrian’s in an excellent position for a armored invasion of Israel ( and remember that this attack was mounted even though the Arabs knew Israel had nuclear weapons). In 2006 the IDF was outfought by the rag tag militia of Hezbollah:-

    Failure to prepare undercut Israeli operations from the start. Before the war, Israeli planners had unrealistic expectations about armed conflict with Hezbollah. They planned for small skirmishes, not for a large-scale, conventional military campaign.


    The evidence hardly suggests Arabs are incapable of achieving surprising successes now and again. Nor does the historical record support the idea that Jews possesses the special capability which would be necessary to mount an operation as ambitious as a 9-11 false flag would be.

    9-11 might have easily caused the US to slide into a economic depression. Whites would fare very badly; suffering Whites would have greater motivation to re-orientate their political allegiance and ethnic attitudes. defense. Hence doing anything which could precipitate a deep recession would be extremely risky for Jews from an ethnic power politics perspective.ow did they dare risk being caught during or after attempting the incredibly complex and risky without-a-trace 9/11 false flag hijack/demolition operation? The answer from the conspiracy theorists is the conspiracy already had effective control of the US including defense, security and intelligence before 9/11. Yet the motive is alleged to have been get control of those very things in the first place!

    The putative conspiracy is incredibly capable and powerful and can strike with impunity. But why is this (supposedly) cast iron case being made on the internet that named individuals are mass murderers not interfered with though legal or financial pressure on ISPs ect. If the Conspiracy Theory case is so convincing how can the conspirators afford to risk letting more and more people be convinced by the evidence and themselves go on to to spread the allegation. It could go viral at the drop of a hat. The explanation is that the conspiracy fears the integrity of the US legal system Then again when someone asks why don’t the CT s go to court they switch feet and say that the CTs are blocked from presenting their case in the US legal system.
    Maybe for some people the cultural conditioning of Whites by Jews is too prosaic or abstract. They want a concrete crime, a sensational one they can tell a story about. But when the evidence against the official version of 9-11 is looked at it just doesn’t stand up. Jewish fingerprints are all over the cultural assault on the self image of whites which Kevin MacDonald has documented, that’s a huge subject and and one which Lasha can write about to TOO’s advantage .

    What about the scientists and engineers who say the planes were not what brought down the WTC ? Well, several scientists ( including some very eminent ones like Oliver Lodge) supported spiritualism when it was in vogue….

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      January 1, 2011 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

      Great post Someday, tremendous depth and analysis. Please keep a copy for yourself because the same old arguments will be raised again. I think this line is great:

      “Maybe for some people the cultural conditioning of Whites by Jews is too prosaic or abstract. They want a concrete crime, a sensational one they can tell a story about..”

      I think that is key. I’ve noticed a desire to have a one shot knock-down story that proves Jewish control in one fell swoop. If only we could get pictures of Satanic Jews drinking baby blood! So they spend their lives pursuing some mirage CT, while ignore the serious adult explanation of Jewish influence.

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      January 3, 2011 - 1:12 am | Permalink

      When the second WTC tower was hit on 911, on several videos there is an image of a flaming object which continued along the Aircraft’s trajectory through the building, landed in a street and as you can see in the link, finally finished skidding under an awning in Murray St.


      This was a Boeing Jet engine model CFM56, long since identified as such by literally hundreds of Boeing mechanics and others who have a train spotters ability to see subtle (but important) differences in machinery.

      So why is this important?

      The CFM56 engine is used solely on the Boeing 737 and is about one fifth the size of a B767 engine.

      And why is that important?

      This means the Airliner the Government claims hit that building did not in fact do so. That’s why they cordoned it off and removed it with such indecent haste.

      If you’ve been following this you’ll see the implications of it are crystal clear: I posted this on another 911 thread a while ago and one fellow replied as follows:

      “I was an FAA air traffic controller at one time. “Full-performance-level” is what they called those of us who were completely qualified, i.e. certified at all control positions. Prior to that, I was a combat air controller in the Navy aboard a carrier. All this is only to say that I have seen and experienced quite a lot in the way of civil and military aviation. Later in life, I also did some construction engineering, including several types of concrete and steel bridge structures.

      I doubted the official story since day one. The more I heard or read, the more my doubt was confirmed.

      What prompted me to respond to your particular post is mention of the Boeing 737.

      Let us take for granted that I have flash recognition of aircraft types. Kind of goes along with the work I once did. The first image I saw on television of that aircraft hitting the tower, my mind identified it as a 737. However, your post is the first I have seen a 737 mentioned.

      On another but related topic, we had remote-control systems of our aircraft in the Navy fleet as early as 1973. The system was called Link 4A or “Dolly.” On recovery aboard the carrier, the system was so exact that the aircraft would hit the same spot on the flight deck every time. Among the reasons I remember this is because a computer programmer had to tweak the software so recovering aircraft would not hit the same spot. The fear was that it would over-stress the flight deck. So, it does not surprise me in the least that aircraft could be remotely and precisely controlled to collide with those towers.

      There are other aspects of my experiences and the events of 9/11 that place me with the disbelievers.

      That people continue to support the official story is amusing. If I were younger, I would probably be very angry”

      If you go to the site I have linked above you’ll see the FBI immediately placed a yellow ‘do not cross’ tape around the engine and shortly afterwards, it was removed location unknown.

  22. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    January 1, 2011 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Someday @ January 1, 2011 – 1:15 pm

    In Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’ Boxer the horse represents the ordinary Russians. Who are the pigs intended to represent in ‘Animal Farm’ ?

    The Bolshevik ruling classes, living in clover, most of whom were genocidal Jews Like Lazar Kaganovitch. (I’m just guessing).

  23. January 1, 2011 - 11:05 am | Permalink

    Nowadays perhaps one can be TOO subtle, so I best state clearly that Osama bin Goldstein is a play on Orwell’s Goldstein from ‘1984’

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      January 1, 2011 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

      In Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’ Boxer the horse represents the ordinary Russians.
      Who are the pigs intended to represent in ‘Animal Farm’ ?

  24. January 1, 2011 - 11:00 am | Permalink


    The Washington Times published an article on September 10, 2001,
    which says that Mossad is capable of attacking Western targets and
    making it look as if others (Palestinians etc) did it:

    Israeli spies impersonating Egyptian terrorists – in 1954:
    The Jews of Iraq, by Naeim Giladi
    April – May 1998 The Link – Volume 31, Issue 2
    also at http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

    “In 1954, it seemed that America was getting less critical of
    Nasser. Then during a three-week period in July, several terrorist
    bombs were set off: at the United States Information Agency offices in
    Cairo and Alexandria, a British-owned theater, and the central post
    office in Cairo. An attempt to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria failed
    when the bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That
    led to the discovery that the terrorists were not anti-Western
    Egyptians, but were instead Israeli spies bent on souring the warming
    relationship between Egypt and the United States in what came to be
    known as the Lavon Affair.”
    There are 3 sorts of conspiracy theories:
    1. The CIA did it, for oil, to consolidate the Anglo-American
    2. Mossad did it – perhaps using Arabs who not know the overall plan –
    because Israel wants to expand its borders to fulfil 1 Kings 4:21,
    Genesis 15:18; Exodus 23:30-31; Deut 11:24; Josh 1:4 (see tmf.html),
    and because it wants to build the Third Temple where the Dome of the
    Rock now stands (dome.html). These goals require war with Islam – why
    not get the US to do it for them, using the oil issue as a smokescreen
    to hide the religious motive?
    3. Arabs did it, and the CIA knew about it and let it happen (as with
    Pearl Harbor).
    I believe that the 2nd type of theory is correct.
    New Jersey housewife first spotted the 5 Israelis & their
    white van

    There was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River
    in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre
    burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst
    atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their
    eyes. Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even?
    Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis ? and at
    least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad,
    the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
    Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of
    indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the
    Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility:
    that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as
    they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where
    they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart
    of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and
    mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.
    After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli
    Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist
    strikes would mean for USA-Israeli relations. He said: “It’s very
    good.” Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but it
    will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].” If
    Israel’s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths
    at the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond
    with the world’s only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing
    with the Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent
    civilians as the second Intifada dragged on throughout 2001.
    It’s not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first
    spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her
    anonymity. She’s insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A
    neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first
    strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like
    millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold. As
    she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on
    the roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here’s her recollection:
    “They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know
    É they didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was strange.”

    Maria jotted down the van’s registration and called the police.
    The FBI was alerted and soon there was a state-wide all points bulletin
    put out for the apprehension of the van and its occupants. The cops
    traced the number, establishing that it belonged to a company called
    Urban Moving. Police Chief John Schmidig said: “We got an alert to be
    on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration
    and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in
    Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were
    jumping up and down.”
    By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near
    New Jersey’s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were
    five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns
    levelled at their heads and handcuffed. In the car was $4700 in cash, a
    couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters ? the concealed
    Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown
    jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before.
    There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering
    wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand
    flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at
    a pop concert.
    The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: “We are
    Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The
    Palestinians are the problem.” His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other
    four passengers were Kurzberg’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
    and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged off to prison and transferred
    out of the custody of the FBI’s Criminal Division and into the hands of
    their Foreign Counterintelligence Section ? the bureau’s anti-espionage
    A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in
    Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed.
    The FBI questioned the firm’s Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but
    when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone.
    An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the
    Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was in tears,” the man
    said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were
    like, ÔNow America knows what we go through.’”
    Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for
    counter-terrorism with the CIA, says the red flag went up among
    investigators when it was discovered that some of the Israelis’ names
    were found in a search of the national intelligence database.
    Cannistraro says many in the USA intelligence community believed that
    some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation
    over whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose
    of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists”. This
    makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within
    American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11
    hijackers ? simply that the possibility remains that they knew the
    attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop
    After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if
    they’d been closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered
    about, the office phones were still connected and the property of at
    least a dozen clients were stacked up in the warehouse. The owner had
    cleared out his family home in New Jersey and returned to Israel.

    Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in
    detention, held on immigration charges. Then a judge ruled that they
    should be deported. But the CIA scuppered the deal and the five
    remained in custody for another two months. Some went into solitary
    confinement, all underwent two polygraph tests and at least one
    underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before they were eventually
    deported at the end of November 2001. Paul Kurzberg refused to take a
    lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it. His lawyer said he
    was reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli
    intelligence in another country.
    Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations
    as “stupid and ridiculous”. Yet USA government sources still maintained
    that the Israelis were collecting information on the fundraising
    activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the
    Israeli embassy in Washington, would have none of that and he said the
    allegations were “simply false”. The men themselves claimed they’d read
    about the World Trade Centre attacks on the internet, couldn’t see it
    from their office and went to the parking lot for a better view. Their
    lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and sinister celebrations as
    the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to youthful

    Peter Meyers, Australia

  25. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 10:21 am | Permalink


    Remember me from the Ugly Truth…? Glad to see you are still hurling your thunderbolts!

  26. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    History is Bunk
    December 31, 2010 – 9:33 pm | Permalink

    “Lasha, as Visible notes: Ass-ange fails the 9/11 litmus test.”

    Good point, History. Perhaps the most devastating exposé of Wikileaks as a Zionist conspiracy can be found in the links below. Jonathan Azaziah has certainly gotten his facts together. Unfortunately, he has an extremely intemperate and offputting style, e.g., “The disgusting Netanyahu and his evil brood of vipers…” etc etc. Stuff like that!

    Jonathan Azaziah: Wikileaks is Zionist Poison

    Jonathan Azaziah: Wikileaks in Zionist Poison ii: Deconstruction of a Myth

    An interersting “refutation” of Azaziah’s thesis that Wikileaks is a Zionist plot can be found here:


  27. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    January 1, 2011 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    History is bunk.
    regarding nine eleven
    can truth seekers just come to a final note and ask two questions?
    Who cares who did it?
    does it justify the harassment of the millions who didn’t?
    because in the last question lies the intention of the deed, right?

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      January 1, 2011 - 9:24 am | Permalink

      Lets face it, 90% of what the Jews/neo-cons say about Muslims/Islam is true, as yearly Christmas massacre of Copts goes to show: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_church_attack

      Lest we forget, the Jews have spent most of their energy throughout history as Muslim apologists, telling us how tolerant that child kidnapping, genocidal Ottomans were and how great the Moorish invasion of Spain was.

      The only problem is that the Jews want us to wage violence upon the Muslims for reasons and in ways that benefit Western economies and culture not one iota.

  28. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    At the end what matters is what kind of impact his work would make on all of us out here. what’s the intention. Maybe its about money?

  29. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Wow thanks for your honesty, Xanadu. That is in the past; its cool.
    Regarding wikileaks i cant help but to think about one of your own quotes.
    Yes, one of your own. You see, sometimes a person has so much knowledge dear Xan that they forget that they have the answer but they tend to get a little confused with basic issues.
    Anyway, your quote is simple: “Lets wait and see”. You posted this line way back when you were an assiduous visitor at the Ugly Truth; I dont remember what the issue was that promoted you to throw that there but i kept it in mind.
    I cant make up my mind on this guy yet but the fellow at the truth seeker doesnt like him much and i pretty much follow what he says while i will still keep the line up
    “lets wait and see”

  30. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    December 31, 2010 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Lasha, as Visible notes: Ass-ange fails the 9/11 litmus test.

    That’s enough for me. If you need more, just contemplate the mountain of mainstream media exposure his little disinfo operation has been given. As a comparision, remember the leaking of the “Climategate” emails, by real whistleblowers? Maybe you don’t. They got pretty much zero exposure by the controlled intellectual whores of the alien media.


  31. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    December 31, 2010 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    “Oh, how we loathe these bogus
    European Jews whose devisings
    Were all learnt from Hitler’s hellcrews.”

    Hiya Lasha!

    Interesting that Mr. Osama bin Dead 9 Years followed the kosher corporate line on the holey holoco$t. Obviously he never met Floda’s mom and had an enlightening chat with her.

    Pity the late Osama had not researchd the jew coup in Russia from 1917 onwards (as George [above] obviously has) and the tens of millions of Christian men, women and children murdered there and in the Ukraine by the jewish Bolshevik hellcrews; the name Lazar Kaganovich ring any bells? Don’t hold your breath waiting for any Hollywood tear-jerker schlockbusters on that jewish financed and fomented genocide.

    Had Osama done the research, he may then have realized the “devisings” of these bogus jews were part of their modus operandi long before Germany placed them in internment and labor camps as alien potential and actual subversives (just as America did to Germans and Japanese during the war; no typhus epidemics and starvation in American internment camps though, as Germany did not carpet bomb the States [pity the same cannot be said for the even-then Israeli Government of America carpet bombing the German civilian population]).

    Had Osama done some research he may also have got an understanding of why the bogus jews have been booted out of country after country in the centuries following their politically expedient adoption of Judaism over a thousand years ago.

    I suppose, before his untimely demise, he was like most people and just could not be bothered devoting time and effort to uncensored research (as George has); or maybe he actually didn’t have an internet connection in Bat Guano Cave in Afghanistan, which some people would like us to think he had access to as he masterminded the Free Fall speed demolition of the three (yes, 3) New York skyscrapers on 9/11 and the amazing disappearing jet airliner at the Pentagon trick. Osama bin Houdini, maybe?

    Anyway, Happy New Year, Lasha, to you and the Professor.

    I trust the new year ahead will be just as full of the Khazars’ Big Lies as the old; as was the year before that, and before that, and before that . . . ad nauseum.

    p.s. Thank you Floda. Your mom sounds like a fine woman. I am glad she survived the murderous jewish-led Red Army at the end of that stage of their war on Europe and Europeans. Researching the instructions given by the jewish propagandist Ehrenburg, to the Communist hordes as they invaded Germany, is instructive.

    As for the resident TOO hasbarats’ suggestion (Optimistic Truther has them pegged) that we move on from 911 – how about we move on from their holey holoco$t cash cow scam they’ve been milking for 65 years, and forcing on us via their control of “our” media and education systems; not to mention their outright ownership of our elected traitors?

    The holes in the holey holoco$t are so obvious since the advent of the uncensored internet it is becoming laughable.

    No? Not moving on from that one?

    Didn’t think so. LOL

    As Mr Ford is alleged to have observed, Lasha, history certainly is bunk.

    A final thought – I recommend David Ray Griffin’s latest book, which exposes Sunstein’s plan to infiltrate the Truth movement with even more hasbarat subversives. It is a good read, as usual, from Mr Griffin.


    • January 1, 2011 - 12:55 am | Permalink

      History is Bunk,

      Why do you assume the poem is really by Osama?

  32. Svend's Gravatar Svend
    December 31, 2010 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Xanadu, Webster Tarpley has discussed Assange in detail. I don’t know how much I trust Tarpley but the information is interesting. It is usually in the first hour of his weekly podcast.


    I stopped listening a few months ago but he was discussing Assange weekly.

  33. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 31, 2010 - 8:18 pm | Permalink

    One thing I regret is that I have been so busy and preoccupied lately with a hundred and one different things that I’ve been unable to keep up with all the complexities of this Wikileaks scandal. I’m wondering if you have any opinions on this? I could do with some guidance…I can’t see the wood for the trees.

    What is the basic problem, as I see it? The problem is this: is Julian Assange a folk hero or is he a Zionist shill?

    In short: should we love Assange for being such a marvelous “whistleblower” and “champion of free speech”, or should we hate him as a a secret agent for Israel and the neocons?

    Is he on our side, or is he working for the Enemy?

    If you or anyone else could help me make up my mind about all this, I’d be grateful.

    # # #

    On balance, I don’t trust Assange. I can’t help feeling he’s hand in glove with organized Jewry. He has said nothing whatever to embarrass Israel which has come out looking squeaky clean. He’s said nice things about Netanyahu. And above all, he seems to be beating the war drums against Iran.

    I can’t help feeling, also, that this whole “rape” thing with these Swedish women is a total distraction: to take our minds off the real issues.

    What is your view, Jalid? I think you have a good instinct for these matters.

    If anyone else can help to throw light on this complex issue, I’d be grateful…

  34. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 31, 2010 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for writing at such length, Jalid. Lovely to hear from you. Frankly, I can’t even remember what that argument was all about.

    I think you suspected that “Xanadu” and “Darkmoon” were the same person and I was trying to con you into believing they were different people! Naturally, you got very annoyed…when you discovered my childish deception.

    These are the kind of games one plays on the internet. I’ve stopped doing all this now though…and try to behave like a paragon of virtue! :)

  35. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    i forgot to add:
    The lie here is the threats that Usama bin Laden makes; you know, “prepare to die” “we are coming to get you” etc
    You compiled this article but the source is wrong, i think and its not your intention to spread it because you are only informing.
    regarding Venezuela,
    it took a hundred years for the revolucion to bare results in Brazil; i think it will take about the same here because the mentality here is still capitalist and used to being slaves of the oligarqia; people are not patient and unlike Europeans and Americans dont think about the future. Things have changed for the better in some states but in others (where the opposition won) things are worse because there is an economical, propaganda war. We dont know what the near future would bring but one thing i am sure of is that Chavez is lucky the US has other, bigger preoccupations right now.
    thank you and please write more articles more often; i have read them all

  36. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    on topic (hehehe)
    you do know, more than i do, i am sure, that the propagandists in the Hasbarat dept. have always used tricks; editorial tricks
    in this case i think this one could be categorised as what i call “the sandwich”
    “the sandwich” (it has other names) is one of the tricks and what they do here is they mix trues with lies.
    the lie is usually in the middle or at the end of the article and is the intended subliminal message that they want to plant in the brains of the gullible
    thats all and happy new year

  37. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Hi Xan,
    Actually its me who should apologise for being a bit rude and suspicious on you; a wonderful person who defends my people when even some of us dont.
    I have thought about you and felt bad about the argument we had; it is definitely forgotten and forgiven.
    I learnt a lot from you, Xan, but my passion blinds me and i tend to react using my heart instead of my brains.
    Its a character defect
    So, its all good

  38. Jalid's Gravatar Jalid
    December 31, 2010 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    its all true except for the “prepare for more stuff”; thats is a fake

    • Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
      December 31, 2010 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

      Jalid @ December 31, 2010 – 6:09 pm

      Why is it a fake, Jalid?

      I take this opportunity to apologize to you for my unacceptable behavior in the past. I hope you have forgiven me…?

      By the ways, how are things in Venezuela nowadays?

      Happy New Year, Jalid!


  39. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 31, 2010 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Jill @ December 31, 2010 – 1:47 pm

    “Thank you again Lasha for your interesting point of view that inspires thought and inquiry. Much confusion re. God, n’est-ce pas?”

    If you say so, dear Jill. I’ve always found God a most confusing subject. I agree with you that most Americans are good. Or they try to be.

    Take care, old friend, and have a Happy New Year. So nice to hear from you again after all this time…


  40. December 31, 2010 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Thank you again Lasha for your interesting point of view that inspires thought and inquiry. Much confusion re. God, n’est-ce pas? “What shall it matter to a faith son of God if all earthly things should crumble?” We all may strive, and do good, treat our fellows in a loving way, and love God. Whatever happens…oh well… we did our best.
    Americans are good. Our spirit is open. Historically we are charitable, I believe more charitable than any other nation on earth. We strive to assist our fellows in spite of all the bad press. There are evil ones, who do pull strings, and give us a bad rap. The corporations, established by some of these evil ones and their cronies do enslave. We have free will.
    It doesn’t matter, as prophesized is a pole shift, to shake things up a bit, say 8 degrees. Waters will rise in some areas and we will all require Ekotecture pods to survive. This movement is from the grass roots. Jesus said that the meek would inherit the earth. Nothing to fear or do, except BE GOOD and BE KIND. Everything else will fall into place.

  41. Tom Brown's Gravatar Tom Brown
    December 31, 2010 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    9/11? Done by the nano-thermite Mossad and the neo-cons–Jets were drones. Reason? Imminent global shift from oil denominated in dollars, to a basket of currencies (just happened between Russia and China) The U.S. neo-cons, and their European counterparts knew that the Middle East must be subjugated to secure this oil. Wall Street’s bizarre, greedy actions, rather precipitated the dollar’s demise and loss of confidence wouldn’t you say?
    The last frontier? Iran. They dumped the dollar, and this was an act of war. Look to see the world at war over this country in the near future. The ramifications are globally pyroclastic

    • Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
      December 31, 2010 - 11:08 am | Permalink

      Pyroclastic? Thanks for a new word.

  42. Jommy's Gravatar Jommy
    December 31, 2010 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    Well, if they conquer us, it won’t be due to their poetic skill.

  43. omop's Gravatar omop
    December 31, 2010 - 8:45 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb comments above wer one of the most lucid of all and parallels what Rabbi Fischer authored. “We’re Right, the Whole World’s Wrong,” it is written by Rabbi Dov Fischer, an attorney and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. Rabbi Fischer is also national vice president of the Zionist Organization of America. He is thus not an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, but rather an influential Jewish community figure. And this piece did not appear in some marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the most literate and thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one of the most influential.

    In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: “If we Jews are anything, we are a people of history … Our history provides the strength to know that we can be right and the whole world wrong.” He goes on:

    “We were right, and the whole world was wrong. The Crusades. The blood libels and the Talmud burnings in England and France, leading those nations to expel Jews for centuries. The Spanish and Portuguese Inquisition. The ghettos and the Mortara case in Italy. Dreyfus in France. Beilis in Russia and a century’s persecution of Soviet Jewry. The Holocaust. Kurt Waldheim in Austria. Each time, Europe stood by silently — or actively participated in murdering us — and we alone were right, and the whole world was wrong.

    “Today, once again, we alone are right and the whole world is wrong. The Arabs, the Russians, the Africans, the Vatican proffer their aggregated insights into and accumulated knowledge of the ethics of massacre. And the Europeans. Although we appreciate the half-century of West European democracy more than we appreciated the prior millennia of European brutality, we recognize who they are, what they have done.”

    Reads as close as possible to the claim that all “goys” are donkeys and pontificated by one of Israel Chief Rabbis.

  44. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    December 31, 2010 - 8:33 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb & December 30, 2010 – 5:42 pm

    “What the Muslims do…what would you prefer, to be stripped naked, taunted, maybe even forced to suck off another man, OR, get your head removed, your hands removed, stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person, and so on. All without benefit of Western anesthetics.”

    * * * * *

    It’s idiotic comments like this that make me despair of White Nationalism. The Islamophobia and the KKK racism come screaming off the page. I thought the whole point about White Nationalism was to try and put a respectable distance between “racialism” — a valid defense of one’s own racial interests — and a shameless let’s-lynch-all-the-niggers RACISM.

    Joe, you’ve let the side down with this comment. Your mask has slipped. I say this with deep regret since I’ve always been one of your most fervent admirers.

    I am myself a White woman and for years I have studied the Qur’an. I find no fault in it. Compared to the Talmud, it is a fount of truth and wisdom. It does NOT advocate stoning people to death for trivial sins.

    Most devout Muslims I meet are obliged to pray FIVE times a day, fast once a year for FORTY days, and make generous donations to charity.

    They are TEN times more clean-living and admirable than the average “Christian” with his addiction to porn and his slut-culture female counterparts.

    So tell me, Joe: why do you hate Muslims so much?

    You fail to see the blindingly obvious: that you are yourself a typical victim of the Jew media you so deplore.

    The Jews WANT you to hate Muslims! And you oblige them by doing so. You allow yourself only too easily to be seduced by their black propaganda.

    Yes, Joe, I’m sorry to say it: you’re a DUPE!

  45. me's Gravatar me
    December 31, 2010 - 3:24 am | Permalink


    They know how to add. They’re not incompetent.

    When government crimes are found out the guilty parties reach into their back pocket and pull out their handy dandy all-purpose “get out of jail free” card. The excuse of incompetence is S.O.P. How many times have we heard the tired excuse for failures between the FBI and CIA is that they “don’t talk to each other?” And of course, incompetence means that eventually more taxpayer money must be poured down the clogged sink hole and investigators and media let them get away with these flimsy excuses-blatant lies time after time.

    Government “mistakes” (Iraq has weapons of mass destruction) are serious crimes that cost lives and livelihoods. In a just world an excuse like incompetence would trigger sirens, flashing lights and news reports that arrest warrants have been issued for dangerous high-level criminals on the loose.

  46. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 30, 2010 - 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Floda @ December 30, 2010 – 8:53 pm

    Thanks for this moving account of your mother’s personal experiences at Auschwitz. I have copied and saved your post and hope you don’t mind if I circulate it to my various contacts on the internet. They will have much to say when they read this remarkable testimony.

    (Lasha Darkmoon)

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      January 1, 2011 - 10:06 pm | Permalink

      By all means circulate my Mother’s account of her brief stay in Auschwitz in December 1944, Xanadu. Thank you for your kind words, if had the ability to write as well as you do, I would tell her whole story. Perhaps one day I will anyway.

  47. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 30, 2010 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    me @ December 30, 2010 – 1:25 pm

    “Jet fuel fires do not bring down steel buildings…”

    Thought you’d like this cartoon:


  48. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 30, 2010 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    For Someday, Harbara Matata, and others who wish to shut down free speech on the Occidental Observer.


    Tell me, dear sirs, are only YOUR opinions to be permitted and all contrary opinions suppressed?

  49. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    December 30, 2010 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I like the part about blue-eyed and blonde haired Jews.debils too if had listened to our blacks. He probably doesn’t, and for good reason. I also like the part about us not practicing what we preach (what do we preach?: answer: globalism, ONe World, racial equality, universal prosperity if globalilsm and race equality, and international capitalilsm becomes the Altar of the new world order. Actually, it has something in common with the Universalism of Islam. One is fanatically religious, and the other is fanatically secular. They both refuse Reason based on bio-culturism, Race Realism, and sobriety. They both preach in effect, Death to Idolators, racists, and skeptics.

    The lady doth protest too much. What the Muslims do..what would you prefer, to be stripped naked, taunted, maybe even forced to suck-off another man, OR, get your head removed, your hands removed, stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person, and so on. all without benefit of Western anesthetics.

    Some of what the West does we should do more of …like dominate inferior races. They and we would be better off. As for stealing their oil, we are not stealing it. Fact is, OBL plays the oil card like our own lefties, blaming these wars for Israel on oil imperialism instead. He cannot have it both ways. Still he appears to have a Third-World approach, that is, Israel is an aircraft carrier for America in the MIddle East.

    Anybody on the WN side of things knows this is pretty dumb, but, Arabs are dumb and their hatred of the West is greater than their hatred of the Jews. They think we run the jews while the opposite is true.

    We have it all and they have nothing except their stupidity, fanatacism, and so on. Arab IQ, if you consult Richard Lynn’s books, comes in @ 90 on average, and often in the high 80s.

    The Jews of course play the game of Let’s you and him fight, the game described several decades ago by the Transactional Analysis psychology guy, Eric Berne (?). Games People Play, his book. Thus the Jews laugh all the way to Israel, ruler of the goyim. Eretz Israel, then tomorrow, the world.

    So, by the way, I should say, not all Arab and Muslims, but the JIhadists are the same folks that Charles Martel threw out of central Europe in 732, and Ferdinand and Isabella went on to finally finish the job in the middle 1400s.

    People wonder which is enemy #1. Many say, the Jews. One could go on with a list. The correct way to think about this is this: Which battle can you win, and then rank your list accordingly. The Jews cannot be beaten for awhile. The mexers and immigration can be beaten starting now. The Muslims in Europe can be beaten in the next few years. The Blacks can be more or less contained because hardly any Whites truly think much of them, including the white liberals.

    I hesitate saying so, but the Jews may be doing us a favor in getting folks worked up about the Muslims. They are, as the cliche goes, an existential threat to Europe, just as the mexers are an existential threat to the U.S.

    The Jews are the #1 reason for the Jihadists targeting us, even if OBL likes to privilege “U.S. Imperialism” like a true Third Worlder…he probably got that from Israel Shamir, the communist Jew.

    Btw, Paul Craig Roberts has gone round the bend. Everything he says is way off, illogical, etc. He never takes on the Jews….still looking to get published.

    Some of us need to get a grip here. Joe

    • December 30, 2010 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

      There was an interview on Nightline around 1999 where Bin Laden clearly expressed his belief that US foreign policy is controlled by Jews.

      So when he rails against “U.S. Imperialism”, he’s railing against something that he views as a proxy of Jewry.

      Twopossibilities as to why the poem called Israel a US colony are:

      1. The poem isn’t really by Bin Laden.

      2. The poem was intended to concentrate on attacking America, and in that specific context it may make sense to concentrate on the issue that Israel is propped up by America.

    • December 30, 2010 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

      Actually, it has something in common with the Universalism of Islam. One is fanatically religious, and the other is fanatically secular.

      Westerners were fanatically religious until very recently, at least a whole lot of the time.

      They both preach in effect, Death to Idolators, racists, and skeptics.

      There’s nothing in the Koran which says “death to racists”.

      Moreover, the countries that have hate crime laws are all non-Islamic.

      Islam may have universalistic tendencies, but to compare these tendencies to those of the Western Left is profoundly wrong-headed.

      What the Muslims do..what would you prefer, to be stripped naked, taunted, maybe even forced to suck-off another man, OR, get your head removed, your hands removed, stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person, and so on. all without benefit of Western anesthetics.

      No offense, but that’s a very gay thing to say.

      So you’re saying that rather than having people seriously punished for serious crimes like murder, adultery, and robbery, you’d prefer to have bunch of men subjected to homosexual rape for no reason?

      There’s a difference between the operation of the law and randonly wanton cruelty.

    • December 30, 2010 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

      I hesitate saying so, but the Jews may be doing us a favor in getting folks worked up about the Muslims.

      In Europe it’s probably a favor, given how much of the demographic threat they face consists of Muslims.

      But in America it’s almost certainly more a distraction than anything else.

      Just look at how American Republicans spend so much time and energy getting worked up about the “Islamic Menace”, all while Mexicans move ever closer to the point of no return where they take over American immigration policy.

      Many more American conservatives have called for cutting off Muslim immigration, than have called for cutting off Mexican immigration and/or immigration in general.

      When you consider the relative magnitude of the two groups, and which is actually a threat to take over the American electoral process in our lifetimes, this is nothing less than madness.

  50. omop's Gravatar omop
    December 30, 2010 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Two statements made 50 or so years apart attest to a single purpose of the Barons of Wall Street as well as the characters of the principal actors.

    Statement A. “We shall have World government whether we like it or not.The only question is wether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent”.

    The speaker James Paul Warburg a German Banker appointed to the US Federal Reserve Board (a privately owned corporatio) and an employee of Kuhn, Loeb speaking before a US Senate committe in 1914,

    Statement B. “In defense of the world Order, U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die. … We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood, as well as in words and money.”

    — Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Back to the Womb, July/August 1993 issue of Foreign Affairs.

    The same statement almost 80 years apart more than suggests that OBL was/is no mora than a foot soldier. The gist of the trabslated poem reflects the feelings of someone who haas been doublecrossed.

    Many thanks to Dr. Darkmoon.

  51. monte's Gravatar monte
    December 30, 2010 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    on the churchill, eisenhower and de gaulle memoirs.
    This is an amazing piece of research. I wasn’t aware. Thanks infinitely!
    if we allow assassins to be assassinated, we’ll be like them. thus we must take them by the ears and drag them before a court. if the court is owned by the assassins, a revolution is the only answer. for that to happen it needs the truth to sink in sufficiently. that’s why we are here.

  52. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    December 30, 2010 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

    How many of our Christian children have they already gotten killed or maimed? How many innocent Iraqis have they killed while destroying the very cradle of civilization? What about all the non Whites they bring into our country who will eventually turn upon us? What exactly would they have to do before someone decides to take action against them?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 30, 2010 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

      OK, take action and make a contribution to TOO.

  53. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    December 30, 2010 - 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Bismarck on Jews
    and the American Civil War
    Quotations from Otto von Bismarck, a 19th c. German politician, from an interview by
    C. Seim, La Vieille France, March, 1921

    The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the
    Civil War by the High Financial Power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States,
    if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial
    independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the
    Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble
    democracies, indebted to the Jewish financiers, to the vigorous republic, confident and self-
    providing. Therefore, they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus
    to dig an abyss between the two parts of the republic. Lincoln never suspected these underground
    machinations. He was anti-slavery, and he was elected as such. But his character prevented him
    from being the man of one party. When he had affairs in his hands, he perceived that these sinister
    financiers of Europe, the Rothschilds, wished to make him the executor of their designs.

    They made the rupture between the North and the South imminent! The masters of finance in
    Europe made this rupture definitive in order to exploit it to the utmost. Lincoln’s personality surprised
    them: they thought to easily dupe the candidate woodcutter. But Lincoln read their plots and soon
    understood that the South was not the worst foe, but the Jewish fi nanciers. He did not confide his
    apprehensions; he watched the gestures of the Hidden Hand; he did not wish to expose publicly the
    questions which disconcert the ignorant masses. He decided to eliminate the international bankers,
    by establishing a system of loans, allowing the states to borrow directly from the people without
    intermediary. He did not study financial questions, but his robust good sense revealed to him that
    the source of any wealth resides in the work and economy of the nation. He opposed emissions
    through the international financiers. He obtained from the Congress the right to borrow from the
    people by selling to it the bonds of the states. The local banks were only too glad to help such a
    system. And the government and the nation escaped the plots of foreign financiers. They
    understood at once that the United States would escape their grip. The death of Lincoln was
    resolved upon. Nothing is easier than to find a fanatic to strike.
    The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great
    enough to wear his boots. And Israel went anew to garner the riches of the world. I fear that Jewish

    banks with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of
    America and will use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization. The Jews will not
    hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos in order that “the earth
    should become the inheritance of Israel.”
    end quote

    Fast forward to the 1960s

    President John Kennedy issued an Executive Order getting rid of the Federal Reserve. He was assassinated by a man who was then assassinated by a jewish mobster, Kennedy’s assassin was never interviewed or investigated alive.

    On the plane carrying Kennedy’s body from Dallas to Washington DC, Lyndon Johnson rescinded the order getting rid of the Fed.

    Later Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. Ted Kennedy was too intimidated to run for the White House and ended up in Congress where he served every jew interest that came along. He had a long and prosperous career.

    Google to find out how many Palestinian elites the jews assassinate. They probably killed Arafat.

    When they take away any chance of Americans being able to vote them out and throw off their tyranny, then in self defense and the interests of saving not only ourselves and our nation but the rest of Western civilization, then I think assassinating them becomes very logical and acceptable.

    Is there anyone here who thinks we will save ourselves without becoming violent or spilling blood?

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 30, 2010 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

      Or making a financial contribution to TOO.

  54. Thundertoad's Gravatar Thundertoad
    December 30, 2010 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Mathias–I thought you were pulling our leg with the “Mushroom Visions” poem.

    I did some research, and others have indeed quoted it as if it were authentic. However, I was thinking that surely there is a link somewhere to the issue of Der Sturmer in which it was published ?

    I am thinking that this is incredible, but, no offense, I would like to see some hard evidence.


    “Behold, in the Kali Yuga, the Thundertoad shall belch forth hideous ichors which will give visions to those whom I love, and destroy those whom my soul abhors.”

    • Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
      December 31, 2010 - 1:20 am | Permalink

      I came across this unforgettable poem nearly ten years ago at the aforementioned website by a Michael Walsh. I have never seen it mentioned since by anyone else, ever. And I have searched high and low. If you indeed have seen any other source for it being quoted by ‘others’ please let me know. As I said, this “Masterpiece, apparently penned back in the 30’s for Der Sturmer, if authentic, is eerily prescient.” It also apparently won the German prize for literature for Striecher’s publication. I hope everyone enjoyed this magnificent poem, no matter when it was penned.

  55. me's Gravatar me
    December 30, 2010 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Jet fuel fires do not bring down steel buildings. Something–whether it was nanothermite, preplanted nukes, particle beams or a supersecret weapon–something brought the twin towers down and something blew a hole in the pentagon. Several other buildings in the trade center complex were also destroyed and there was a deep crater where building 6 stood. Building 7 was not hit by a plane yet had fires and was “pulled” down.

    Maybe some people here are just tired of hearing about and reading about 911.

    For those still interested in learning about the names and faces behind 911, Chris Bollyn has a new chapter that will be out next month about the destruction of the steel.

  56. me's Gravatar me
    December 30, 2010 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think it was written by Bin Laden. Whether dead or alive, he knew the score and wouldn’t have written such drivel.
    Bin Laden, was working for or with the CIA (Tim Osman) in Afghanistan. The Bin Laden family was/is close to the Bushes, a CIA family. Bin Ladens were gathered from all over and flown out of the US after 911 when all other US flights were grounded. Bin Laden’s mother is a Yemini jew and lives in Tel Aviv.

    A man like Bin Laden would not make statements such as Israel is a colony of America. Saying Israel is a colony of America lets jews off the hook and gives the game away.

    • January 1, 2011 - 12:57 am | Permalink

      All mainstream sources agree that Bin Laden’s mother is a Syrian woman, possibly of Alawite origin.

      What source do you have for saying she was from Yemen and/or a Jew?

  57. solly's Gravatar solly
    December 30, 2010 - 11:16 am | Permalink

    Yeah. Talk to me about those ground-penetrating radars never finding any evidence of soil disturbance compatible with large mass graves at the sites of Nazi concentration camps. Also at the famous Babi Yar. Explanation, please.

  58. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    December 30, 2010 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    It is incredible that we still allow these people, who are obviously mathematically challenged, to be in charge of our economy, the Federal Reserve and the IMF.
    When they chose the $800 billion as the number for the bailout, they said they just wanted a number that was too big for people to understand.
    Have you ever noticed how hard this is for them?
    The number killed at the World Trade Center on 9-11 they said would be around 50,000 and finally settled out at 2,726. To them that was within their margin of error.
    It happens with the budget numbers and everything else where they are in charge.
    Talk about the need for reeducation, I think they should be required to learn how to count to 100 and then move on to larger numbers.
    In the meantime, we should hire people who understand basic math to be in charge of our money.

  59. Svend's Gravatar Svend
    December 30, 2010 - 10:11 am | Permalink

    I don’t know or much care about the ‘real’ story of 9/11.
    However, we should think and act like the jew. We should build a case that 9/11 was a jewish plot. We should make things up. We should lie. Fabricate evidence. Fabricate quotes and widely disseminate them. Write pamphlets and distribute them. We should learn from our rulers. Truth is less important than liberty.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 30, 2010 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

      “We should lie”.

      Are you telling the truth when you say that or have you already implemented a deliberate untruth policy ?

  60. Hasbara Matata's Gravatar Hasbara Matata
    December 30, 2010 - 9:55 am | Permalink

    9-11’s very own Protocols; fake as hell but in many ways accurate.

    And congrats to OO on lowering the level of the discourse and drawing in the “controlled demolition” nutbars. KMD, you’ve shown poor judgement allowing any of these stories that deal with 9-11; you knew what sort of crowd would gather; you should have stuck with the old policy.

    Not because Mossad might be guilty and Bin Laden was a media-generated patsy, which is indeed possible, but because the WTC 11 Cultists and various “Truth” peddlers will start flocking here to exercise their various mental illnesses.


    Clean it up, OO.

    And make Dr. Darkmoon do some more homework before she posts again.

    • Optimistic Truther's Gravatar Optimistic Truther
      December 30, 2010 - 11:19 am | Permalink

      And congrats to OO on lowering the level of the discourse and drawing in the “controlled demolition” nutbars. KMD, you’ve shown poor judgement allowing any of these stories that deal with 9-11; you knew what sort of crowd would gather; you should have stuck with the old policy.

      Not because Mossad might be guilty and Bin Laden was a media-generated patsy, which is indeed possible, but because the WTC 11 Cultists and various “Truth” peddlers will start flocking here to exercise their various mental illnesses.

      This is striking in that it goes even further into “conspiracy” while still drawing a line around “controlled demolition.” The ideas that “Mossad might be guilty and Bin Laden was a media-generated patsy” is now accepted as plausible, as recently as 2005 that was considered fringe, and anti-semitic.

      Cue the standard insults: nutbars, “WTC 11 Cultists and various “Truth” peddlers.”

      So now we see that the official government conspiracy theory is accepted by virtually no one, and Israeli complicity is assumed plausible, and Bin Laden being mostly a media phenomenon is acceptable to propose – yet the 911 Truthers that have been discussing these issues for 9 years *still* get insulted as “nuts” “crazy” etc.

      But we are making progress – only the AE911 thesis is now attacked, everything else is admitted.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 30, 2010 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

      Hasbara Matata, perhaps the purport of the editorial policy is beyond our understanding, I just hope the 9/11Truthers are ponying up for the 2010 Year-end fundraising appeal.

  61. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    December 30, 2010 - 8:27 am | Permalink

    I think when they blew up the world economy, Alan Greenspan said it best: “We screwed up.”
    And I remember Obama saying, “We screwed up.” shortly thereafter.
    Our conspiracy theories once again have given them credit for superior intelligence.
    We want to believe they know what they are doing. It requires less effort from us.
    Perhaps we should have just believed them and accepted the fact that “We screwed up.” too.
    We just glanced over their resumes.
    We took their consensus opinion that they are the smartest people in the world.
    We put them in charge of our country.
    We never even checked up on them to see how they were doing.
    It would have been good business practice to have required them to read our Constitution.
    We should have asked some questions to see if they understood and agreed with our objectives.
    Due diligence would have demanded that we verify their work experience.
    They have their own country with its own City of Seven Hills.
    It is just a tiny country and should be easy to manage compared to ours.
    It should be a beacon of light in the darkness.
    It should be an example to the world of how the smartest people in the world want to run things.
    Oh, never mind….it is!!

  62. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 30, 2010 - 7:25 am | Permalink

    @ Tic Tac

    Enjoyed reading your poem, Tic Tac. You have a natural flair for rhythm, i.e. rhyme and meter.

    “Schooled in these subjects — the good and the bad,
    The Jewish Holocaust made me feel sad.
    The tears from my eyes flowed down both my cheeks,
    I cried and cried for hundreds of weeks

    Then all of a sudden and out of the blue,
    I heard a strange story that couldn’t be true.
    I studied and studied: at last I could see,
    Those hideous teachers were lying to me.”

    This kind of reminds me of Clement Clarke Moore’s “The Night before Christmas” which has a similar rhythm:

    “‘Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
    Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;
    The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
    In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there…”

    • TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
      December 30, 2010 - 5:45 pm | Permalink

      thanks xanadu

      it was just a bit of fun. But I like the way you rearranged it, it looks better.

  63. George's Gravatar George
    December 30, 2010 - 4:10 am | Permalink


    Alexander Solzhenitsyn in a speech in Washington in 1975 had this to say of the Soviet system which was deemed worthy of recognition as one of ‘our’ Allies fighting ‘for Democracy’ against the ‘Dictators’ in WW2:

    “This was a system which, in time of peace, artificially created a famine causing SIX MILLION PERSONS to die in the Ukraine between 1932 and 1933. They died on the very threshold of Europe. And Europe and the world didn’t even notice it. SIX MILLION PERSONS!” (Alexander Solzhenitsyn Speaks to the West (1978) p 16)

    Why are these people and their fate generally unknown in western countries?

    Roosevelt’s ally Joseph Stalin was supreme dictator of Russia for almost a quarter of a century, from 1929 until his death in 1953. Soviet Russia under Stalin was a despotic police state that relied on internal espionage and terror.

    Stalin’s first Five-Year Plan, before WW2, sought to bring about the ‘collectivization of agriculture’ in accordance with Marx’s Communist Manifesto. When Communism was imposed on Russia, the small farmers known as kulaks, as private property owners, stood in the way. In 1929 Stalin called for ‘the liquidation of the kulaks’, and their small family farms, animals, implements and crops were declared to belong to the state. “Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev (all Jews) had always argued that the peasant would never surrender enough food voluntarily and must, if need be, crushed” (Paul Johnson A History of the Modern World (1983) p 268). The army and secret police were used to enforce the policy. All peasants who resisted were treated with violence – an enormous number were killed or sent to exile in remote areas in the frozen north or the desert steppes. Rather than give up their animals, many peasants killed and ate them. As a result, the number of farm animals in the Soviet Union was catastrophically reduced. The peasants stopped farming.

    After a while, the cities started running out of food. Orders were given for grain to be confiscated from the peasants. Those caught trying to reserve food for their families were ‘severely dealt with’. By the winter of 1932-3, virtually no food was left in the countryside. By early March 1933, ‘death on a mass scale really began’. The main farming areas of Russia, particularly in the Ukraine, were utterly devastated. It was a time of great and terrible hunger, a catastrophic man-made famine.

    Eugene Lyons was sent to Russia in 1928 as United Press chief correspondent. Arriving as an enthusiastic communist, he experienced the catastrophe at first hand. He described the ‘famine’ in his book Assignment in Utopia (1937):

    “Hell broke loose in seventy thousand Russian villages.. A population as large as all of Switzerland’s was stripped clean of all their belongings.. They were herded with bayonets at railroad stations, packed indiscriminately into cattle cars and freight cars and dumped weeks later in the lumber regions of the frozen North, the deserts of central Asia, wherever labor was needed, there to live or die..”.

    The famine alone is estimated conservatively to have caused 6 million deaths, almost half of them children. Other millions died from the killings and sickness as a result of the deportations.

    Lyons, himself Jewish, credits the Jewish commissar Lazar Kaganovich with the major portion of responsibility for this major crime against humanity:

    “Lazar Kaganovich… it was his iron hand that applied Bolshevik mercilessness.” (Lyons, p 578). The Encyclopaedia Britannica says tersely, “(Kaganovich) was one of the small group of Stalin’s top advisors pushing for very high rates of collectivization after 1929.. Within the Politburo, Kaganovich.. led the opposition to Kirov’s proposed concessions to the peasantry and to his attempts to relax the harshness of Stalin’s control..”

    Kaganovich died at the ripe old age of 98 in 1991 (Encl. Brit.), ethnically safe from pursuit by the Israeli secret service, the Simon Wiesenthal organization and the New York media-intelligentsia. Shhhh!!! Shhhh!!! Shhhh!!!

  64. George's Gravatar George
    December 30, 2010 - 4:02 am | Permalink

    I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.

    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.

    In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.

  65. George's Gravatar George
    December 30, 2010 - 4:01 am | Permalink

    Interesting arithmetic – the incredible numbers of the chutzpah deluxe Holy Baloney

    Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).

    According to Lengyel, ‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

    This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months). Notice the bald precision of the figures without any explanation, the utter confidence in the reader’s credulity.

    The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: “Passionate, tormenting”. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering “You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten speak.”

    Could this claim be a misprint?

    Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:

    ‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz – paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).

    According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.

    ‘Sir’ Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:

    In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states

    ‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).

    If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the amazing claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      December 30, 2010 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

      In mid December 1944 my mother, then aged 24, was among about 25 women refugees fleeing west on foot in front of the advancing Red Army when late on a freezing afternoon the women came upon a small town in Eastern Germany’s Upper Silesia, called Auschwitz. As they went through the town they saw what she described to me in 1996 as a huge Factory Complex (German; Fabrik Werke) Among this group were several Nuns who persuaded the German SS guards to permit them to shelter there.

      Fifty years later her grandchildren asked me to ‘interview’ her and record her remarkable wartime experiences. She was then aged 76 and sharp as a tack.

      On Auschwitz she said they were permitted to stay there but no longer than a few days. She recalled how OLD and POLITE the German SS were to the women, especially to the Nuns and how pleased these men were to have them join their evening meals so close to Christmas.

      I asked her where she slept and about the food:

      She remembered sleeping on a dry wooden parquetry floor in an indoor hall which may have been used for sports such as basketball or gymnastics. She remembered sleeping near what must have been a bakery as she recalled the sweet smell of bread baking.

      I asked her about the SS guards:

      She said they had evening meals in a large dining room and she remembered having had pea and ham soup. Throughout our ‘interview’ she repeatedly mentioned how polite and ‘Germanically correct’ the ‘Old Gentlemen’ of the SS were.

      I asked her about the conversation and small talk, what she remembered:

      The dominant conversation was about the war and how everyone just wanted and end to it and GO HOME.

      I asked her if the SS understood Germany had lost the war, her answer actually astonished me:

      The SS Guards TO A MAN, felt the war would end as did the First World War, with an armistice! As late as December 1944, I found that incredible but somehow understandable.

      Then of course. came the most important question: The Gas Chambers and 4,000,000.00 (in Auschwitz) Dead Jews.

      Back in 1996 I wasn’t as wise to the Holocaust lie as I am today, but sure as hell, my 76year old Mother was! She went off like a firecracker! Anyone who has seen the numerous Youtube spoofs of Adolf Hitler going off his rocker as he (actor Bruno Ganz) is given some bad news in the film ‘Downfall’, will understand.

      She said ‘We spent about three, even four days there, in our group were educated intelligent people, Doctors and Teachers, all Women and we were given free access to whatever we wanted. Nobody hid anything from us and nothing was off limits. I even bought (Exchanged) a fine pair of Leather Boots with a female prisoner there. The old Gentlemen of the SS were old and frail, there were no young men anywhere, all were at the front! Twenty five women and women talk. If there had been any hanky panky there we would have known about it! This fiction of millions of Jews being gassed there is lunacy! The place was a very big FABRIK! For God’s sake!……….

      I was not expecting such an outburst and wanted to calm her down, so I changed the subject and asked her about Typhus: Long ago when I was a teenager, after seeing grainy B/W film of a Scottish soldier bulldozing corpses into a pit I said to my father, who had been a German Lieutenant and also viewing this, ‘how could you have been a part of this?’. He looked at me sadly and said quietly, ‘my Boy, these people mostly died from ‘Fleckfieber’, spotted Typhus.

      My dear old mother steadied herself and said, ‘The SS men all sternly warned us about Typhus. They told us never to seek shelter in Barns or anywhere near animals, as the disease is carried by fleas and that in Auschwitz they had some terrible epidemics, which sometimes killed hundreds of people a month, including the Guards themselves.’

      Three weeks later the Red Army ‘liberated’ Auschwitz. Three months later my mother gave birth to her first child, me, in a place then called Konigshutte a few miles west.

      She turns 91 in February and is living in Australia, still in reasonable shape. I dare say were she in Germany, or any other European state she would find herself imprisoned for telling her story. Auschwitz and ‘Gas Chambers’ (not so much as even ONE has ever been found anywhere), are a Jewish LIE! It took me over 50 years to discover why the 1930’s Germans were told Jews were a bacillus and had to be removed. They were told the truth then and until we as a race wake up to them they will continue destroying our people as they have in the past.

  66. George's Gravatar George
    December 30, 2010 - 3:59 am | Permalink

    Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

    Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesmen for the very sizable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize..

    Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

    ‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? “I will never know” Wiesel says. “I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

    Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:

    “In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.”

  67. George's Gravatar George
    December 30, 2010 - 3:58 am | Permalink

    It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust Survivors :

    Quote from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso in the year 2000:
    ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ (page 83)

  68. Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
    December 30, 2010 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    In a similar vein, this reminds me of Mushroom Visions, a masterpiece apparently penned back in the 30’s for Der Sturmer. If authentic, it is eerily prescient. One of my all-time faves, from Micheal Walsh’s HRP website. Enjoy…


    I see a God-like Holy mushroom,

    Bursting forth some rainy day half a mile above

    Those crusty crumbling greenish towers,

    Erupting forth through foetid clouds over New York City,

    Renowned for its God of Gold we are taught to love.

    One hundred megatons of Holy Heat,

    Bleaching white the sooted corridors,

    Scouring clean the grimy burrows,

    Vaporising the shadowy sheenies

    As they clutch their phallic stocks and bonds;

    Their tumorous bodies erupting in one final joyous sound.

    One hundred megatons of Holy Fire,

    Burning out the darkened dankness;

    Sterilising the stygian stalagmites,

    Holocausting the inhuman mulatto multitudes,

    As they slither beneath the smouldering, steaming

    Compost heaps of old black ghetto land.

    One hundred megatons of Holy Sound

    Roaring suddenly this mightiest concussion,

    Thundering louder than the hideous screeching

    Of ten thousand sweating straining Negresses.

    Squeezing out ten thousand smelly bastards howling,

    Resounding louder than a million frantic twisted shiny

    Blacks, coupled in animalistic frenzies –

    Altogether yowling,

    Echoing louder than simultaneous wailing,

    Of six million scurrilous Jews whilst departing

    From a planet they were steadily befouling.

    Oh mushroom cloud in all your glory,

    Cleanse and purge that island of its mouldy Jewish structures,

    Eternally annihilate those Hebrew counting houses,

    And all their Shabbez Goyim with real and imagined raptures,

    And don’t forget to disinfect the air about of all its noxious poisons,

    Those sick contagions exhausted from countless diseased lungs,

    Polluted by two hundred years of democratic potions.

    Oh, Cloud of Deliverance,

    Bestow your aurora of eternal radiations,

    Reminding those who in some distant future would,

    Doubt the final outcome of a wicked and soulless city

    That is thoroughly infected by the Goldish

    Culture of the Gypsy Jewish Asians.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      December 31, 2010 - 2:06 am | Permalink

      I have to admit I am very skeptical that this was written way back then. Was it common to use the term megaton back then? I don’t know. But anyway, the poem celebrates the destruction of an American city along with the death of its inhabitants. Pretty horrible stuff.

  69. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    December 29, 2010 - 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Nothing is as sweet as the truth.

  70. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    December 29, 2010 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Xanadu, sweetheart, you bingo-ed there big time: “Because America is an Israeli colony.” No truer words were ever spoken.

  71. Maurice Prebost's Gravatar Maurice Prebost
    December 29, 2010 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    The frogs have indeed spread confusion!

    I can attest to this.

    • Der weiße Engel's Gravatar Der weiße Engel
      January 2, 2011 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

      Where your people once lived
      Secure in the illusion
      Of their superior virtue,
      There the bison will roam
      Again, the frog spread confusion
      Over the marshes, the vulture thrive.

      As Marianne Moore said, the task of the poet is to put real frogs into imaginary gardens. The line about the frogs puts me in mind of Alkaios’ famous rephrase of the bit in Hesiod’s Works and Days about cicadas. I can recall it from memory still, though perhaps with a little inaccuracy, intervening decades having taken their toll:

      Wash your gullets with wine!
      For the Dog Star returns, with heat of summer
      searing a thirsting earth. Cicadas cry softly
      from under leaves in high trees, pouring down
      shrill song from under their wings.

  72. Xanadu's Gravatar Xanadu
    December 29, 2010 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Brandon @ December 29, 2010 – 3:18 pm

    Why do you say that Israel is not an American colony?

    Because America is an Israeli colony. The tail now wags the dog.

    “This is not [just] a case of the tail wagging the dog,” Anatole Lieven complained recently, “but of the Tail wagging the unfortunate Dog around the room and banging its head against the ceiling”.


  73. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 29, 2010 - 8:47 pm | Permalink

    December 29, 2010 – 8:38 pm | Permalink

    close italics.

    Yeah…and please allow Smiley faces! :)

  74. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 29, 2010 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    @ Tic Tac

    Yeah, I reckon Tic Tac could also teach bin Laden a trick or two on how to write poetry. If Bin had been able to write light verse like Tic Tac’s, maybe he wouldn’t have needed to target the US in the shocking way he did.

    The trouble with Bin was that he had no sense of humor whatever. He took everything too seriously. I never saw that guy cracking a smile.

    Anyway, you can’t smile all that nicely if you have one of those bushy Islamofascist beards. :)

  75. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    December 29, 2010 - 8:38 pm | Permalink


  76. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 29, 2010 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Elizabeth @ December 29, 2010 – 8:07 pm

    Brilliant! This long litany of things that are wrong with America is a poem in itself. Hey, Elizabeth, I bet you could teach bin Laden a trick or two on how to write poetry!

    Honestly, that guy is the limit. All he does is RANT. Ain’t very cool, ranting like that…

  77. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    December 29, 2010 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    When I watched the World Trade Center go down that day, I thought “controlled demolition” and I cried that it was happening in our own country. I looked up to see who owned it and who was leasing it and for how long and how few people got killed that day. I looked up to see who held the insurance and what the buildings were insured for. I saw that all the buildings were full of asbestos and saw that they had lost their lawsuit trying to get the insurance companies to pay to have it removed. I found out there could not have been cell phone calls from the airplane that crashed that day.
    I have read a lot of the Conspiracy Theories and watched Jesse Ventura on the topics.
    The thing that has recently occurred to me is that if there was no conspiracy and if everything happened exactly like the government has said, then we are in much worse trouble than I had ever imagined.
    Our government was not able to protect the World Trade Center even after it had been previously attacked in 1993 and they knew it was a target.
    They could not protect the Pentagon which is a top military and intelligence gathering site.
    They could not get good enough intelligence and personnel to prevent the burning of the children and adults at Branch Davidian or the murders at Ruby Ridge.
    They could not prevent one of their own personnel from killing our troops on our own military base in our own country.
    They can’t tell Global Warming from a Mini Ice Age.
    They can’t get any of the huge sums of money they collected for Haiti to the people who need the help.
    They can’t even get the snow shoveled in New York City.
    They don’t know how to create jobs. They think getting the union workers to slow down so that it takes two people to do one job is the answer.
    They don’t know where the money went from the bailout and TARP.
    They don’t know what is in the bills that are being signed.
    They didn’t know that Iraq didn’t have mass weapons of destruction and a lot of people are still dying because of it.
    The list goes on and on. I am sure each of you can add lots and lots more such examples.
    Lord, how I wish I could believe in the conspiracy theories and not just accept their word that they are truly that incompetent.

  78. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    December 29, 2010 - 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Here’s one I made:

    One hundred historians taught I my history, twas very complicated twas such a mystery

    schooled in these subjects – the good and the bad, the Jewish Holocaust made me feel sad

    the tears from my eyes flowed down both my cheeks, I cried and cried for hundreds of weeks

    then all of a sudden and out of the blue, I heard a strange story that couldn’t be true

    I studied and studied at last I could see, those hideous teachers were lying to me

    I asked my teacher if Marx was a Jew, he’s a German, boy! Marx’s not a Jew!

    If you say that again, your schooling is through!

    I kept my mouth shut but had learned something new
    Marx aint no German he’s a Communist Jew

    I heard some strange stories that I hadn’t before, I listened intensely and listened some more

    we killed all these millions, six, seven or eight, it’s true what they say, without a debate!

    the killers they looked just like I, just like you, those evil white men who murdered the Jew

    when I questioned their story and if it was true, they threw me in prison on the word of a Jew

    he spat in my face and cursed at my God, he looked at the judge who gave him the nod

    scared and alone I looked at my skin, I realized my whiteness was truly a sin


    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      December 29, 2010 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

      Nice job!

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      December 30, 2010 - 7:00 pm | Permalink


    • wanderiing jew's Gravatar wanderiing jew
      May 9, 2011 - 12:55 am | Permalink

      Nice ryhme. Too little thought. Try it again. Who are the white men to whom you are referring. Your condemnming an entire race with no one concurring.

  79. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    December 29, 2010 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think Bin Laden wrote this, or would even write it in these words. Seems pretty unsophisticated to me. Seems like the work of a fraudster. Not the work of the successful master terrorist. If, indeed, that’s what he is. What I know of Bin, is he’s pretty cool and calculated, so his work would reflect this. I think a poem written by Bin would be subtle, complex and emotional. Not a rant.

  80. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    December 29, 2010 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

    @ Venona

    “How about more stories on how Wolfowitz and crew lied us into the insane war in Iraq?”

    You want Cinderella told again for the umpteenth time? That story is stale ditchwater. We’ve heard all about Wolfowitz and his lying cronies until we’re sick of it.

    No point retelling a story where single fact has been rehashed a thousand times.

  81. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 29, 2010 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t a clue as to whether the poem is an authentic one or not and I am sorry to say I can’t even tell if the poem itself is a real poem but whoever wrote it understands the White Man’s Bible and aimed the poem at him. Any semi-literate British or Northern European knows what the author is aiming at.
    the reader is asked to decide whether the poem, prophesying Armageddon and the coming destruction of America, is an authentic bin Laden poem or an imitation.

    [Please close formatting with </i>, not <i />. -Admin]

  82. Venona's Gravatar Venona
    December 29, 2010 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t hazard a guess as to who wrote the poem. The author is certainly no William Butler Yeats.

    I can’t help but think that crazy conspiracy theories about explosives in the basement of the WTC are counterproductive to our cause. One of the principal reasons for the endemic hatred of the US in the Arab/Islamic world is our unqualified support for the state of Israel. This is what drove the 9/11 terrorists. The 9/11 Commission report even admits as much. So why do we latch on to these kooky grassy-knoll conspiracies? It would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off a 9/11 inside job. Does anyone really believe the government is that competent?

    I propose the Occidental Observer focus more on verifiable facts. I believe this is the best way to broaden our base. How about more stories on how Wolfowitz and crew lied us into the insane war in Iraq.

    • Optimistic Truther's Gravatar Optimistic Truther
      December 29, 2010 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

      I can’t help but think that crazy conspiracy theories about explosives in the basement of the WTC are counterproductive to our cause. One of the principal reasons for the endemic hatred of the US in the Arab/Islamic world is our unqualified support for the state of Israel. This is what drove the 9/11 terrorists. The 9/11 Commission report even admits as much. So why do we latch on to these kooky grassy-knoll conspiracies? It would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off a 9/11 inside job. Does anyone really believe the government is that competent?

      First, notice the use of the smear words: “crazy conspiracy theories,” “kooky grassy-knoll conspiracies.”

      Most importantly, there’s the invented strawman, a conspiracy theory that no one actually posited, in this case “explosives in the basement of the WTC.” The more overt form is to come up with something science-fiction sounding, such as “energy beams.” One even talks about “nuclear destruction” etc. The “anti-conspiracy” posts are, in fact, invented conspiracy theories themselves.

      Now, to knock down the conspiracy theory that was just invented: “It would have taken literally hundreds of people to pull off a 9/11 inside job.” This is a throw away line at best, how many people were in the Manhattan Project? How many on a highly classified NSA program?

      The purpose of this isn’t to say anything about 911, it’s simply to make discussion about 911 off-limits, to make it seem “fringe” (even though it’s the majority opinion in the US, and most of the Anglosphere) or “crazy.”

      These same tactics are also used to suppress discussion of Jewish power and collaboration; it’s labeled as “fringe” a “Jewish conspiracy.”

      Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson appeared on the Real News and discussed the Bush administration’s “culpability” and “negligence” in the 911 attacks, and implies we know “less than 50%” about the events of 911 (while disclaiming any “conspiracy theories” of course).

    • Floda's Gravatar Floda
      December 30, 2010 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

      Here is a perfect example of how every site on the Internet which even mentions 911is policed by gatekeepers and shills. ‘Crazy conspiracy theories’. She won’t mention the dancing Israelis who were released by Chertoff after they admitted, ‘we were here (in New York on 911) to record the event’!!! Nor will she mention that each airport from which departed the FOUR 911 Airliners had security controlled by an Israeli security company. She definitely won’t BREATHE a word about the new Jewish owners of the WTC, how they commenced dancing around the golden calf, clutching their 3 week old $7.2 Billion Dollar insurance policies upon which the INK HAD HARDLY DRIED when the buildings exploded into dust.

      Too bad about the 3,000 dead shmucks eh, Verona?.

  83. Anonyma's Gravatar Anonyma
    December 29, 2010 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Barbara @ December 29, 2010 – 5:38 pm

    “Of course the neo cons could be assassinated. I wish they would be.”

    Jason Speaks @ December 29, 2010 – 6:19 pm

    “Barbara, that is a totally inappropriate remark that no one agrees with. I hope you aren’t being an agent provocateur.”

    I like the sound of Barbara. I bet she wouldn’t harm a mouse though! She’s not an agent provocateur, she’s more likely to be an enfant terrible.

    Paul Craig Roberts is one of the writers I deeply admire, but even he, ouspoken as he tends to be, had to throw out this caveat in his article cutting the neocons to pieces: that he was not himself advocating the assassination of any neocons.

    He writes:

    “The final proof that there are no terrorists is that not a single neoconservative or government official responsible for the Bush regime’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama regime’s slaughters of Pakistanis, Yemenis, and Somalians has been assassinated. None of these Americans who are responsible for lies, deceptions, and invasions that have destroyed the lives of countless numbers of Muslims have any security protection. If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day.”

    And here comes the all-important caveat that shows us that Roberts, unlike our enfant terrible Barbara, is a model citizen who has a soft spot in his heart for even the biggest scoundrels who ever set foot on Planet Earth:

    “I am not advocating that terrorists assassinate anyone. I am just making the point that if the US was as overrun with terrorists as empire-building bureaucrats pretend, we would definitely be experiencing dramatic terrorist acts.

    The argument is not believable that a government that was incapable of preventing 9/11 is so all-knowing that it can prevent assassination of unprotected neocons…”

    Beautifully put.

    Roberts is a one-man demolition squad.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      December 29, 2010 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

      You credit PCR with having a soft heart. But maybe he doesn’t want to be arrested, which is exactly what would happen if he did advocate such an action. Good lord. And it doesn’t matter to the FBI if someone is an agent provocateur or an enfant terrible or whatever … some things are simply illegal. We don’t want this cite shut down, we don’t want it smeared with something illegal, and we don’t all want to be subjects of a federal investigation just so some harmless blowhard can feel big.

  84. Montecristo's Gravatar Montecristo
    December 29, 2010 - 6:28 pm | Permalink


    Can you tell me if these points raised by Darkmoon are trivial questions? Are they questions worth asking or not?

    Questions of equal importance are these: Is bin Laden a paper tiger? Is Al Qaeda a myth? Are Islamic “terrorists” a figment of the neoconservative imagination? Was 9-11 orchestrated as an excuse to wage war on the Muslim world and plunder its resources?

    It is now a well-entrenched “conspiracy theory” that 9-11 was a false flag attack that gave the neoconservatives what they had long been looking for: a pretext to attack Iraq and Afghanistan and launch a crusade against the Islamic world. In the words of Professor David Ray Griffin, 9-11 was “the New Pearl Harbor.”

    More excellent material on Al Qaeda as a myth is to be found here — an article Darkmoon quotes to good effect in her penultimate paragraph:


    If these are not matters of vital importance, touched on only tangentially here — since the article is basically about a possible bin Laden poem — it is hard to see what is of greater significance or relevance.

    Indeed, is a putative poem written by the Master Terrorist himself, Osama bin Laden, subject matter unfit for the attention of abstruse and highminded readers such as Someday?

    I am not quite sure what he means by a “countervailing view.” Will he please explain? I generally enjoy reading Someday’s stimulating posts, but this quibbling and carping against Darkmoon makes no sense to me.

    It’s all very well to knock Darkmoon in a misogynistic sort of way, but you would well to remember before you start patronizing this remarkably lucid writer with her crystal clear prose that her articles have been republished or linked on over FIFTY different websites and translated into over TEN languages.

    Her latest articles, “Sex and the Jews” and “Sex Plague”, have recently been translated into Italian by veteran Italan translator Gian Franco Spotti who has also translated William Marr and several articles by Kevin MacDonald.

    Indeed, Gian Franco has also translated Darkmoon’s “The Plot Against Art” into Italian — an article that has also been translated into Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Polish, Czech and some Oriental language I cannot identify.

    The absurd idea that Darkmoon is of “minority interest” and that better writers can be found to commission articles from is simply belied by the facts.

    Darkmoon will survive these mean-spirited and misogynistic attacks on her, Someday, so don’t bother to try it.

    I repeat: she is one of the few writers on this site to get translated into a multitude of foreign languages. Her articles are found on important websites such rense.com, truthseekers.co.uk., israelsghamir.net, therebel.org, fourwinds10.com, henrymakow.com, ihr.org, toben.biz and dozens of other premier sites.

    See here:


  85. Optimistic Truther's Gravatar Optimistic Truther
    December 29, 2010 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Dr. Darkmoon for an interesting and thought provoking article, and thanks to Dr. MacDonald for allowing discussion on such an important topic.

    It took the “Jersey Girls” years to even get the government to investigate 911, and it was their campaign that led to the creation of the 911 Commission. For those interested, the documentary “Press for Truth” is available freely online and worth watching.

    Families of those killed on 911 and Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth have a campaign called BuildingWhat http://buildingwhat.org/ to raise awareness of World Trade Center 7.

  86. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    December 29, 2010 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Whites get all kinds of funny ideas as Professor MacDonald’s work shows . Kevin MacDonald has made an invaluable contribution to the white cause. Nothing must be allowed to compromise it.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      December 30, 2010 - 12:26 am | Permalink

      Captain Chaos and Someday,
      To me, if the 911 truth movement is to be of value to our side (in terms of driving traffic from that issue to White Advocacy in general) it needs to focus on Israel. A lot of what I see on other sites are rehashed Leftist arguments against America, the kind of anti-CIA arguments that radicals used to make in the 60s. I don’t think that angle would help us at all, since it usually plays into the anti-WASP, anti-Anglo sentiment of modern culture.

      So further investigation into what Israel knew and when it knew it could bear fruit. Again to me, why not focus on the more probable and provable case, rather than the hard case? I don’t mean stop investigation into all of it at all, and if a more extensive conspiracy can be proven, then fine. But most of what I see about 911 Truth (Rosie O’donnell, Leftist radicals) helps enemies of Whties to be honest. Yes I know there are exceptions but that is the main thrust. The public doesn’t even equate NeoCons with Jews for the most part.

      So if this is for propaganda purposes, shouldn’t Israel be the main focus? And shouldn’t the key be to find something absolutely provable as opposed to swing for the fences and striking out?

  87. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    December 29, 2010 - 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Of course the neo cons could be assassinated. I wish they would be.

    Jews always assassinate the elites of their enemies. Once I suggested that we should assassinate the leaders of the international jew cabal and you’d think i confessed to being a serial killer or something.

    I guess now that a writer at TOO has uttered the assassination words its now become acceptable.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      December 29, 2010 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Barbara, that is a totally inappropriate remark that no one agrees with. I hope you aren’t being an agent provocateur. I hope the editors remember that the FBI uses plants to provoke people into illegal actions in sting operations.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      January 1, 2011 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

      This is to Jason, chastising Barbara – shut up Jason. Barbara just wrote what EVERY-ONE is thinking. Stop being such a craven PUSSY.

  88. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    December 29, 2010 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    For shame Professor MacDonald, you are in danger of making TOO a laughter to her enemies by allowing articles such as this. Please consider remedial measures, commissioning articles which give the countervailing view would be the best solution.

    • I's Gravatar I
      December 29, 2010 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

      Someday, why don’t you write up an article making the case that Osama was responsible for 9/11? I’m sure we’d all like to see it.

  89. Llyn's Gravatar Llyn
    December 29, 2010 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Whoever wrote it was right about the Americans and Israelis.

  90. December 29, 2010 - 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Why do you say that Israel is not an American colony? Perhaps the writer is being metaphorical? Nevertheless it reads just like one of the ancient prophets recorded in the old testament crying out against ancient Israel at the behest of God. If such a prophet showed up in America today he would say the same things, for this country today has become a mirror image of that ancient entity.

    • Glen's Gravatar Glen
      December 30, 2010 - 2:19 am | Permalink

      More like America is now a Jewish colony.

  91. Optimistic Truther's Gravatar Optimistic Truther
    December 29, 2010 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “Al Qaeda” is an interesting idea. The spokesman for “Al Qaeda” is “Adam Yahiye Gadahn” aka “Azzam the American”, real name Adam Pearlman, a Jewish American with family ties to the ADL. According to wikipedia: Since 2004, he appeared in a number of videos produced by Al-Qaeda as “Azzam the American”.

    There was an interesting group in New York City in the years after the 911 attacks called “Revolution Muslim,” the same people who hit the news recently when “threats” directed at the South Park cartoon producers appeared on their website.

    According to wikipedia, “Revolution Muslim” was originally run by “Yousef al-Khattab, born Joseph Cohen, an American Jew who converted to Islam in 2000 after living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school there, then returned to New York, where he is said to have worked driving a taxi, operating a pedicab, or running a restaurant.”

    This man used to stand outside of mosques in New York City and “recruit” for radical Islam, always making threats to kill American babies, etc. He was featured on the TV numerous times, only FOX admitted that he was in fact a Jew.

    Make of this what you will.

    • Larry's Gravatar Larry
      December 31, 2010 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

      An interesting poem which could have been penned by anybody! I like to compare the present global terrorist campaign, supposedly orchestrated by Al Qaeda, with the Provisional I R A bombing campaign of England from 1969 to 1998. I am focusing on England only. The PIRA bombings were numerous and the fatalities many ( not including Northern Ireland which is still part of the UK ) and included the infamous Brighton bombing ( 5 killed ) at the hotel hosting the Conservative Party conference. Based on the PIRA, Al Qaeda has the 7/7 bombings in London to its credit. All we get from the British government, is that subsequent bombing attempts have been thwarted. I think anybody with an IQ of greater than one, must be suspicious.
      OK let’s assume the whole thing is staged by the powers who rule us. For a start do we know who they are? What’s their ulterior motive? Draconian civil laws and increased encroachment on our civil liberties? Yes, but the bottom line?
      Do we know it? Is it becoming more evident? Do the Central Banks and Corporations have us over a barrel?
      We do know that communist and fascist states successfully keep their people in chains. Is this the plan on a global scale?
      May the alternative media keep investigating and posting its stuff, especially on the internet ( before it all gets censored ) May the population become more aware of the nonsense that the mainstream media spews out.
      For myself I observe the tragedies of the Iraqi, Palestinian, Afghanistani and Pakistani civilian population, carried out by us in the West, under the guise of bringing in democracy. John Pilger’s reporting is spot on.
      I pray for world peace, not world government. I believe it’s possible if we all stand up and be counted.

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