2010 Year-end fundraising appeal–again

The response to the year-end fundraising appeal has been a bit underwhelming. I realize that lots of worthy causes are making appeals at this time. But please consider TOO if you haven’t already.

Again, the new wrinkle is that contributions are now U.S. tax deductible.  Please help make us stronger. The links for tax deductible donations are here. This page also provides instructions for donors who wish to remain anonymous or prefer to send checks. And foreign donors and others unconcerned about US taxes may use the link on the main donations pageor go here directly.

Thanks for thinking of TOO.

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65 Comments to "2010 Year-end fundraising appeal–again"

  1. Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
    December 29, 2010 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Come on, folks! Make a donation. Preferably a monthly one. Help TOO grow…

  2. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 29, 2010 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    The American People have always been a most generous People and It is with pleasure that I send in the occasional cheque to help out in their time of need. There is no doubt in my mind that the country will sober up and regain it’s grandeur

  3. Mr. Z's Gravatar Mr. Z
    December 30, 2010 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    For a lot of white formerly middle class Americans, it seems less a question of wanting to donate rather than being able to donate.

    I envy the generations of past American workers that had enough income and comfort to have a good home, take a few vacations, give their family a good quality life, and still have some cash to spare perhaps to donate to a fine effort like this.

    Those days are long gone, and whites are accepting this soviet era style quality of life that is a reality in contrast to the truly strong middle class America they had.

    Most people are driving older cheap cars with debt on them, living in housed that need work with debt on them, in cities that are decaying for the last 50 years.

    Time to follow Europe’s example and get on the streets.

    • January 2, 2011 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

      The only thing that’s “on the streets” in Europe are mobs of government-employed socialisti whining about having to retire at age 62 instead of age 60. We are going to do much, much better than that.

  4. Sigtrygg's Gravatar Sigtrygg
    December 30, 2010 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    As a non-American European I would love to make a donation, but first I would like to see some high-quality articles able to make a difference in the world we live in. So far, professor MacDonald is quite lonely up there, at mount Olympus. Except from his excellent contributions, we have excessive rhetoric, hyperbole, self-importance, and very bad analyses. So far, TOO has failed to become something unique. The same could be said about similar webzines like alternativeright. TOO will go nowhere with writers like Kurtagic, Sunic, Darkmoon, among others, and I’m not willing to donate anything to a site promoting the most idiotic subcultural strategies that I can think of.

    What happened to writers like, e.g., Thomas Dalton? If he published more of his INFORMATIVE articles, I wouldn’t hesitate donating 100 USD today.

    • Ilie's Gravatar Ilie
      December 30, 2010 - 9:10 am | Permalink

      I agree with you on Kurtagic and Darkmoon, but the few articles that Sunic has had published here have been at least an interesting read, I think.

    • sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
      December 30, 2010 - 11:55 am | Permalink

      Point taken, but I really don’t think his articles are approaching MacDonald’s brand. Let’s get some more stuff from writers like Dalton, Whitcombe, Knutsson, among others. I’d be happy to donate if I knew it would make a difference.

  5. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    December 30, 2010 - 11:14 am | Permalink

    Politics costs money. That’s a fact of life, that too many sub-geniuses don’t get.

    The Occidental Observer
    24881 Alicia Parkway, Suite E, #134
    Laguna Hills, CA 92653-4617

    • sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
      December 30, 2010 - 11:52 am | Permalink

      What politics? TOO or A3P is nowhere near doing politics. Politics today is all about the middle class. So far, TOO is not talking to the middle class, not even the working class. I think it’s reasonable to demand something back when you give your money away. Let’s face it: so far, TOO is not delivering.

  6. Svend's Gravatar Svend
    December 30, 2010 - 12:28 pm | Permalink

    You’ve said your bit sigtrygg. I strongly disagree with you. TOO is an outstanding resource and I especially enjoy Darkmoon’s contributions.

    I would like to see more content, but I’m sure that will come in time.

    • Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
      December 30, 2010 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

      I agree. TOO has excellent articles. TOO has done nothing but improve over the last couple of years. Give it the resources it needs to grow.

  7. sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
    December 30, 2010 - 12:59 pm | Permalink

    I never said that “everyone” should become “Dr. MacD”. That’s just ridiculous (it’s also impossible). You obviously missed the point, namely that MacDonald is (so far) pretty much the only voice worth listening to from a middle class point of view. As a donator, I’d like to see a TOO dominated by writers approaching Mr. MacDonald’s “brand”, his intellectual level. And where are all the “big shots” like Pat Buchanan?

    Your “embarassment” is out of place. Anyone donating would like to see some results. It’s not “bitchy” to have a say about webzine one is contributing to and therefore worried about.

  8. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 30, 2010 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    You are a strange one sigtrygg. You read a website which you feel is beneath you and yet refuse to contribute financially in case they can hire writers that come up to your standard. So what exactly do you want for nothing?

    • Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
      December 30, 2010 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

      Well, for nothing, other than a few minutes on his keyboard, he gets to trash one of the best WN sites out there.

  9. sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
    December 30, 2010 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    That’s the point, you see: this is exactly what you get for nothing. Nothing strange about that. Fundraising appeals will only be successful if the quality of the articles (not written by MacDonald himself) improves. If TOO delivers 1 quality article per week, I’d be happy do send a 100 USD check every week.

  10. Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
    December 30, 2010 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    You are certainly upfront sigtrygg. $100 x 52 comes to five grand so could you not hire a writer yourself for that? Maybe the editor could help you set something up? And we would all benefit. Cheers

    • Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
      December 30, 2010 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

      Great idea! How about it Sigy?

  11. sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
    December 30, 2010 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Sure. As I said: it’s all about quality. Higher quality = more funding. Since there are four of us, I would be spending 100 USD per month on HIGH-quality articles (that is, not subcultural crap, “supernal” music, idiotic conspiracy theories, and specimen misusing themes from Germanic mythology).

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 30, 2010 - 5:39 pm | Permalink

      Anyone can say anything on the net, if you want to be taken seriously by the TOO staff you know what to do.

    • svend's Gravatar svend
      December 30, 2010 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

      You’re attempting to gate-keep and establish boundaries of acceptable conversation.

  12. svend's Gravatar svend
    December 30, 2010 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Those whites who are burdened with Nondischargeable debt should leave for Europe and never look back. In fact, we should all consider leaving to Europe. I’ve recently received my EU passport (Irish). I love the United States, but it is toast.

  13. sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
    December 30, 2010 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t care about the TOO staff taking my humble person seriously or not. The only relevant issue here is quality. Money for quality, and quality for money. Perhaps some food for thought at New Year’s Eve…

  14. svend's Gravatar svend
    December 30, 2010 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    What? The government will take their passport?

    I am a CPA and I’ve never heard of such a thing. South Korea, China and Japan are full of exiled debt-serfs from Western nations. They pick up, pack up, leave and never look back.

  15. svend's Gravatar svend
    December 30, 2010 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Severus, I reread my comment and dislike the tone. I’m not accusing you of being dishonest. I am genuinely surprised at how damn mean this country is.

    Your comments about debt destroying families are exactly correct. Debt is a plague and TOO should be shouting daily about how the economy functions, who(m) benefits and how to fight back.

    The ultimate act of resistance in our Judaic society is a rejection of debt.

  16. Montecristo's Gravatar Montecristo
    December 30, 2010 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    “TOO will go nowhere with writers like Kurtagic, Sunic, Darkmoon, among others, and I’m not willing to donate anything to a site promoting the most idiotic subcultural strategies that I can think of.”

    Since I have little respect for your opinions, dear Siggy, and regard you as little better than a spiteful and mean-spirited curmudgeon — probably an unsuccessful writer bursting with envy — perhaps it would be better if your pissed off from this site and took your lousy $100 with you!

    I’m sure no one would miss you.

    If you are so fine a literary figure, let’s see YOU get an article accepted by Kevin MacDonald!

    Personally, I deeply resent your attack on Kurtagic, a remarkable writer of one of the finest dystopian novels written in a very long time. (“Mister”). Let’s see YOU write a novel like that — which stands comparison with Huxley’s Brave New World — you envious little cretin!

    • sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
      December 31, 2010 - 7:14 am | Permalink

      I’m just an ordinary TOO reader sympathetic to MacDonald’s writings, willing to donate no a regular basis. I allowed myself to express my opinion. You are entitled to yours. The bottom line is that TOO seems to be falling into the subcultural trap. Why should majority ethnic interests become a subcultural phenomenon?

      Your beloved Kurtagic suggests a model in which we should wear Mussolini-style uniforms, listen to “supernal” music and read dystopian novels. Sounds wildly subcultural to me.

      Even if he has written “one of the finest dystopian novels in a very long time”, his articles are no good. And I very much doubt that his novel is widely read by mainstream Americans or Europeans.

  17. Montecristo's Gravatar Montecristo
    December 30, 2010 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    Dr Sunic? He too has written popular books and is an erudite polymath and linguist with a wide range of interests. His latest essay on Schopenhauer was a delight to read, though it would obviously be above the narrow intellect of a person such as you.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As for Darkmoon, your comment that she is “subcultural”, i.e. appeals only to a small minority, is patently absurd. You would well to remember before you start sneering at this dynamic young writer, with her crystal clear prose and passionate sincerity, that her articles have been republished or linked on over FIFTY different websites and translated into over TEN languages. Her two articles on sex — hardly a “subcultural” subject of minority interest! — have just been translated into Italian.

    Bad writers don’t get translated into foreign languages or receive links on dozens of premier websites such as rense.com, truthseekers, fourwinds, israelshamir.net. etc., etc.,etc..

    I agree with Svend when he says: TOO is an outstanding resource and I especially enjoy Darkmoon’s contributions.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Another star writer for this site is Edmund Connelly. Ever read his article on Gaza? (“For Whom the Gaza Bell Tolls”). You call that “subcultural”? Of minority interest?

    Are Connelly’s brilliant exposés of Hollywood of no interest to you?

    I’m sorry: but if Kevin MacDonald should ever take your silly advice and dispense with the services of writers like Kurtagic, Sunic, Darkmoon and Connelly, he would have no readers left. The only reader he would have left is YOU!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    One final point: your glib suggestion that Kevin MacDonald should “commission” articles once a week from the “best” writers and pay them a generous fee for their work is particularly ironical coming from YOU — too mean and tight-fisted to even donate a measly $100 to his site!

    Let Kevin take MY advice and PAY NO FEE to any writer who writes for the Occidental Observer! Let them offer their services FREE OF CHARGE to his site — in lieu of donations. It’s the least they can do to support a noble cause.

    We don’t need hirelings and money-grubbing mercenaries to write for this website.

    I suspect you are a brash newcomer to this site who knows next to nothing of the writers you abuse under the cowardly protection of a pretentious Germanic pseudonym.

    What motivates you? Is it envy? Can’t you get your own articles published?

    • sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
      December 31, 2010 - 7:28 am | Permalink

      It’s possible that Sunic wrote good articles in the 1980s and 90s, but his TOO articles are not of the same quality. Some of the claims in the Schopenhauer article are simply ridiculous (associating Schopenhauer with postmodernism and hyper-reality).

      “Bad writers don’t get translated into foreign languages or receive links on dozens of premier websites such as rense.com, truthseekers, fourwinds, israelshamir.net. etc., etc.,etc.”

      All the websites you refer to are highly subcultural, non-mainstream. Anyone can get translated into foreign languages in the underground-samizdat cyberspace.

      “if Kevin MacDonald should ever take your silly advice and dispense with the services of writers like Kurtagic, Sunic, Darkmoon and Connelly, he would have no readers left. The only reader he would have left is YOU!”

      No, the only readers he would lose would be those meating in holocaust-denial mead-halls, those noisy ones who have not been able to make a difference at all for the past 60+ years. He would gain readers among mainstream middle or working class Whites, that is ordinary white Americans and Europeans. MacDonald’s own voice appeals to mainstream Whites. That’s the whole point.

  18. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    December 31, 2010 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    While I admire your calm and reasoned response to Montecristo’s somewhat intemperate diatribe, I’m afraid I must agree wholeheartedly with the main points he makes.

    If writers who write for the Occidental Observer have their articles appear ONLY on the Occidental Observer, that tells us that their appeal is narrowly restricted to a small band of White Nationalists readers who have only ONE axe to grind.

    The fact that Darkmoon, for example, has been translated into ten languages and received links on dozens of other websites, is a sure indication of her popularity among the general public. How can you possibly class her work as “subcultural” or of “minority interest” when the very opposite is true?

    The “subcultural” writers of minority interest are obviously the ones who get published on the Occidental Observer and NOWHERE ELSE.

    Surely a man of your obvious intelligence can see this?

  19. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    December 31, 2010 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    I note you have objected to the airing of “conspiracy theories” on this site, feeling that this would alienate conservative readers and drive them away. You fail to appreciate that most of KMD’s readers actually agree with these so-called “conspiracy theories”. How do you explain that Rob Lonaker’s article on 9-11 managed to attract a record number of comments…over 450?

    This is hardly “subcultural”, Sigtryg, this is MASS APPEAL!

    The point I wish to get across to you, however, is this: your hurtful remarks about writers (especially Kurtagic and Sunic) who are here doing their best to produce good work is a type of verbal “castration”.

    It can only damage their morale and make them lose the self-confidence they need to write well.

    I wouldn’t mind so much if the writers you attack WERE actually bad writers. The fact is, they are among the BEST writers writing for this site. In objecting to their work, you are clearly in a very small minority. Almost no one, it seems, agrees with you.

    I really do believe, like Montecristo, that the force that drives you is spiteful malevolence. I’m sorry to say this, Sigtryg, but I don’t think you are a person I could ever like or admire. I see you either as a Zionist troll or a churlish and mean-spirited underminer of writer’s morale.

    If Kevin MacDonald were to take your advice, I my friends would decamp from this website at once. There would be a mass exodus in no time at all.

    I also agree with Montecristo’s idea that no writer who writes for this site should be paid a single cent.

    If they can’t do it or free, they are lacking in generosity of spirit.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      December 31, 2010 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

      “How do you explain that Rob Lonaker’s article on 9-11 managed to attract a record number of comments…over 450?”

      Walk down the street naked and with your hair on fire – you’ll get lots of comments.

  20. sigtrygg's Gravatar sigtrygg
    December 31, 2010 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    “If Kevin MacDonald were to take your advice, I my friends would decamp from this website at once. There would be a mass exodus in no time at all.”

    Sounds like good news to me, especially considering that your camp (contrary to MacDonald’s fundraising appeals) holds that “no writer who writes for this site should be paid a single cent.”

    That’s fine with me. I can have a lot of fun for 5000 USD, and subcultural writers can entertain their subcultural audience for free. Somehow, I think what you suggest is a far throw from what Mr. MacDonald originally had in mind.

    Your camp is noisy and intensely present in cyberspace but you have not been able to make a difference in the real world. For obvious reasons. Thanks for persuading me not to support (or read) TOO anymore.

  21. svend's Gravatar svend
    December 31, 2010 - 10:18 am | Permalink

    Severus, I don’t think you’re correct. I will look into it. If you’re pondering exile you would be wise to spent a couple hundred bucks and check with a lawyer. If you move to another country you should immediately begin the process of gaining citizenship so as to protect yourself when the US passport is to be renewed.

    I worked for a firm in Hong Kong and our general counsel was an American JD/MBA with hundreds of thousands in student/credit card debt and she just left and as far as I know suffered no deleterious consequences. This was a couple years ago now and the laws may have changed.

    The mere existence of nondischargeable debt demonstrates how totally jewish our country has become. Should Europeans ever gain an independent country of our own, the very first act should be to abolish interest and punish the application of interest with a prompt execution. Interest is horridly evil.

    It is a brilliant scam, no? The banker lends something he doesn’t have (and the reserves that a bank are supposed to keep are not even in hand: Steve Keen has demonstrated that banks lend first and seek reserves second) and charges interest while it is being returned. The banker earns a free lunch. The mere act of ‘owning’ a bank entitles one to suck the economic blood from the society. It is shocking. There is little hope of reform as absolutely nobody understands the system. When I tell my friends and family that banks lend money they don’t have – and that is how money is created – they think I’m making it up or spouting conspiracy nonsense.

  22. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    December 31, 2010 - 10:45 am | Permalink

    For those of us who are NOT sub-geniuses, or unknown geniuses, and understand that politics, promotion & publishing costs money:

    The Occidental Observer
    24881 Alicia Parkway, Suite E, #134
    Laguna Hills, CA 92653-4617

  23. Montecristo's Gravatar Montecristo
    December 31, 2010 - 11:21 am | Permalink

    sigtrygg
    December 31, 2010 – 10:15 am | Permalink

    “Thanks for persuading me not to support (or read) TOO anymore.”

    We don’t need spiteful litle cretins like you to come here and throw tantrums just because you can’t have your way. Good riddance!

    You never “supported” this site anyway — since you were too mean to offer Kevin even a pathetic ten dollars!

    Please keep your promise and piss off. Quick.

  24. Bon, from the Land of Babble's Gravatar Bon, from the Land of Babble
    December 31, 2010 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Severus:

    Superb comment about DEBT and how it is destroying Whites and White America, especially as it keeps us from reproducing (while encouraging the non-White parasitic class to reproduce at White expense).

    The entire state of California is buried in DEBT and the recent election portends more un-funded DEBT, higher taxes for productive Whites, more government encouragement of Third World immigration, both illegal AND legal, more government ‘bail-outs’ and ‘stimuli’ with fake dollars.

    The non-productive parasitic class is expanding, the productive class contracting.

    This will not end well.

    Bon

  25. Bon, from the Land of Babble's Gravatar Bon, from the Land of Babble
    December 31, 2010 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I contribute monthly to this site, and for good reason.

    Where else can one read the amazing Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together?

    Success lies in money:

    Our adversaries, such as White-hating, race-based advocacy groups, anti-free enterprise groups, gun control groups, anti-private property groups, groups engaged in voter fraud and organizations that seek to destroy America’s constitution are extremely well funded by the vast resources of the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations, Soros-backed organizations, and the Tides Network.

    Public donations for our adversaries?

    ACLU: $76 million (each state also has a branch; for example the Southern California branch reported $3.5 million in donations).

    $PLC: $32 million.

    Please donate. Today.

    Bon

  26. Geiseric's Gravatar Geiseric
    December 31, 2010 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    ‘White interests’ is a very flexible category, and I’m not always convinced that TOO is going in the right direction, but I wish TOO and Dr. MacDonald good luck in the years to come. At least from my point of view, Dr. MacDonald should take some of the criticism being aired here into consideration in order to improve TOO so that fundraising appeals will not be necessary in 2011.

    • ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
      January 2, 2011 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

      ” ‘White interests’ is a very flexible category, and I’m not always convinced that TOO is going in the right direction”

      In my opinion, advocating “White interests” is just a reflection of the identity crisis in America.

      I understand that there are many people in the US who are of mixed-European origin and thus prefer to identify just as “White”, but I still think that the assimilation of various European peoples into a unified group has failed in America.

      That is why websites like the Occidental Observer are far less popular than sites celebrating particular European-American ethnic identities like Irish-American, Italian-American, Polish-American, etc.

  27. Scotsman's Gravatar Scotsman
    January 1, 2011 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    I have to agree in part with Sigtrygg – except on Darkmoon, her essays on art were very interesting. There is too much embarrassing counter-culture on TOO, and I’d like to add the Christophobia aired by some writers has been a turn off for me.

  28. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    Well, you don’t get any Christophobia from Darkmoon who tells us she is a practising Christian…athough, oddly enough, she has often written sympathetically about Buddhism and Vedanta and claims to have been deeply influenced by Indian mysticism.

  29. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    @ Scotsman

    Sigtrygg writes:

    “He [Kevin MacDonald] would gain readers among mainstream middle or working class Whites, that is ordinary white Americans and Europeans. MacDonald’s own voice appeals to mainstream Whites. That’s the whole point.”

    Sigtrygg is against “subcultural” articles, i.e., articles of “minority interest” and clearly wishes, as the quote above shows, that Kevin MacDonald should appeal to the MAINSTREAM.

    Surely you can spot the flaw in this reasoning?

    By definition, the “mainstream” press is politically correct and Zionist-controlled. How any articles on TOO would get into the mainstream press? NOT ONE!

    Because, by definition, KMD’s site is POLITICALLY INCORRECT and ANTI-ZIONIST.

    Not one of Kevin’s fascinating articles on Solzhenitsyn would make it to the New York Times. You know that.

    You praise Darkmoon’s essays on art. However well written, can you imagine the New Yorker publishing these articles? Not a chance in hell!

    The best articles in TOO reflect the politically incorrect and dissident nature of their writers. The mainstream press wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.

    For Sigtrygg to insist on mainstream exposure is therefore tantamount to advising Kevin MacDonald to cozy up to the Zionist establishment and publish only artices that Alan Dershowitz and his like would approve off.

    Bear in mind that Sigtrygg has been accused of being a Zionist troll. He has come on this site and recommended that KMD’s articles should be more politically correct, more likely to appeal to the Alan Deshowitzes of the world. Thus there must be no airing of “conspiracy theories” here (such as 9-11 as a false flag attack) because this would offend the readers of the NYT and displease Mr Dershowitz.

    You can’t have it both ways: you are either mainstream and politically correct or, like Kevin MacDonald and his writers, you are dissident and politically incorrect.

  30. Sigtrygg's Gravatar Sigtrygg
    January 1, 2011 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

    “You can’t have it both ways: you are either mainstream and politically correct or, like Kevin MacDonald and his writers, you are dissident and politically incorrect.”

    This is a very subcultural and “primitive” (in lack of a better word) kind of thinking. The whole point is, of course, to change mainstream culture and bend it in another direction. Kevin MacDonald is not a “dissident”, he is a tenured professor having politically incorrect viewpoints. If those viewpoints are framed and presented in a non-dissident form, I can see no reason why ordinary whites wouldn’t be interested in his message.

    This is where the quality issue becomes crucial. If TOO continues to produce high-quality, well-researched articles, they will attract even better writers and articles, and a wider audience. In short TOO will become part of mainstream discourse. Nothing mysterious about that.

    That would be the main reason for middle or working class whites to support TOO in the first place. To make a difference in the real world, not in the mindboggling, “dissident” part of cyberspace.

    “The best articles in TOO reflect the politically incorrect and dissident nature of their writers. The mainstream press wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.”

    They wouldn’t touch them as long as there’s no good reason to take those “dissident writers” seriously, given the fact that their wildly subcultural message has no potential for mass appeal among normal, hardworking white Americans.

  31. Fynn's Gravatar Fynn
    January 1, 2011 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    This site is cogent and courageous in speaking truth to power. If the writers here can’t do it all themselves, perhaps they can inspire others (even if you don’t like all the writers). Every person who reads this site should donate at least $100 – those with more should donate more. Even people on welfare can sacrifice a hundred bucks, and probably not many, if any, TOO readers are on welfare. Remember Orwell’s line, ” In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”. The writers here have courage and deserve support.

    • Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
      January 1, 2011 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

      “The writers here have courage and deserve support.”

      Exactly. Why is that so many in the WN scene expect
      something from its leaders but give virtually nothing? Or have a kiniption fit when they feel that they aren’t getting the world for their $10 is as they smoke their cigarettes and drink their beer. Money makes the world go round. Alwayss has, always will. What ever form it takes, what ever the economic system, money is required.

  32. Madanme Butterfly's Gravatar Madanme Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    You make a plausible case for your argument, but I take issue with you on two points:

    (1) Given the lack of donations and the paucity of funds available to Kevin MacDonald, the most obvious way he can save money is to expect his writers to work for nothing. For them to demand money for their articles, seeing as they do how strapped KMD is for cash, is pretty nauseating. Like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

    Your assumption, moreover, that commissioned articles will automatically produce higher quality, simply cannot be granted. From my own experience in publishing, I can tell you that commssioned articles are often among the very worst. The commissioner feels forced to publish the substandard article for no other reason than this: he has paid for it. So he publishes the crap—or otherwise he has lost his money.

    (2) Your crude and cowardly ad hominem attacks on Kurtagic and Sunic amount to a kind of psychic castration. They have no way of countering your spiteful malevolence.

    I thought you had promised to leave this site and return no more. So why are you here still?

  33. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @ Sigtrygg

    You make a plausible case for your argument, but I take issue with you on two points:

    (1) Given the lack of donations and the paucity of funds available to Kevin MacDonald, the most obvious way he can save money is to expect his writers to work for nothing. For them to demand money for their articles, seeing as they do how strapped KMD is for cash, is pretty nauseating. Like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

    Your assumption, moreover, that commissioned articles will automatically produce higher quality, simply cannot be granted. From my own experience in publishing, I can tell you that commssioned articles are often among the very worst. The commissioner feels forced to publish the substandard article for no other reason than this: he has paid for it. So he publishes the crap—or otherwise he has lost his money.

    (2) Your crude and cowardly ad hominem attacks on Kurtagic and Sunic amount to a kind of psychic castration. They have no way of countering your spiteful malevolence.

    I thought you had promised to leave this site and return no more. So why are you here still?

  34. Sigtrygg's Gravatar Sigtrygg
    January 1, 2011 - 3:45 pm | Permalink

    “I thought you had promised to leave this site and return no more. So why are you here still?”

    Don’t worry, I’ll leave. As long as you keep delivering your “messages” adressed to me, however, I might take the trouble answering from time to time.

    1) I understand that you have access to (inside?) information that I don’t have regarding the financial situation of KMD/TOO. What I adressed was primarily the quality issue. It is not MY assumption that “commissioned articles will automatically produce higher quality”. All I’m saying is that talent and quality are part of a self-renewing process. Needless to say, the opposite is also true: mediocrity is contagious. Talent/quality usually attracts money. Psychologically deranged mediocrity is a major turn off.

    2) I never made any ad hominem “attacks” no anyone. I criticized their articles as something that mainstream middle class whites would not be willing to pay for. If they want to counter my “spiteful malevolence”, as you say, they are free to answer as anybody else here. There’s obviously no need for that – as long as they have such a true believer as you.

  35. Madame Butterfly's Gravatar Madame Butterfly
    January 1, 2011 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    I don’t really wish you to leave this website. Hang around. But do please exercise more control over your tongue and try not to hurt people’s feelings so much. It’s not as if your negative comments about Kurtagic or Sunic were factual statements, they are mere value judgements.

  36. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    January 1, 2011 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    If I can donate 100.00 on my lowly salary, anyone CAN. As I’ve noted before, we freedom-lovers/despised Gentiles don’t have the benefit of funny-money printing presses, fractional-reserves, economic parasitism to endlessly bankroll our “causes” with billions of dollars as do the Money Masters, so please support our courageous patriots who are doing everything in their power to awaken the Western people to our genuine plight.

    Thank you, Professor MacDonald, for all that you do, and my heart aches for you when I contemplate what you’ve had to endure by these freedom-snuffing tyrants.

    I hope people will read the following to only begin to fully appreciate and understand the scope and level of the stolen wealth from and destruction to the American people (the following links address the confiscated trillions of dollars in private pension plans – “Workplace Retirement Plans Suffer $2 Trillion in Losses” @ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122342685954113657.html by the banksters’ nor the 9 trillion dollars in lost equities from their engineered housing bubble (http://www.businessinsider.com/zillow-9-trillion-2010-12) and their total control over the American economy and predatory manipulations of the stock market.

    By every statistical measure the Jewish tapeworms have effectively siphoned off the wealth from a once broad, prosperous middle class and have reduced them to serfdom or subsisting on unemployment (if lucky). See the following excellent analysis:

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/dear-middle-class-americans-most-of-you-are-debt-serfs-with-zero-assets-2010-10#ixzz12NGUC4hF

    The long-slumbering American people are just beginning to understand that a war has been being waged by stealth against us for a very long time and on our Constitutional rights and protections by creepy, criminal, Bolshevik Jews like Cherka Chertoff, Janet Napolitano, Joseph Lieberman and their fellow, Israeli-firster Zionists infesting our Congress who are cementing a budding NKVD in our very own country and are doubtless itching (sometimes… as evinced by Prof. MacDonald’s and others’ expose of the skin-crawling Tim Wise, the mask slips) to take it ALL THE WAY just as their mass-murdering Klansmen before them did to OUR people in the Great Depression #1 (see “A scholar and investigator from Russia used available census data from that first economic collapse and concluded that the Great Depression senselessly caused the unnecessary deaths of 7 million Americans” @http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/105255-famine-0
), the helpless, surrendered German soldiers following WWII, Russia following their “Bolshevik” coup and are currently doing to the Palestinians:

    Mass Murder and Starvation of Russians (thanks, Hoff):

    http://christogenea.org/resources/RussiaNo1.pdf

    War Crimes: Israeli government documents show deliberate policy to keep Gazans at near-starvation levels
    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21799

    Please too see Brother Nathanael Kapner’s critically important pieces @ Realzionistnews.com on these Bolshevik Jews’ successful, totalitarian power-grabs over complete control of our food supply. Bone-chilling pieces ALL.

    Here’s what we Whites are up against (even though this outstanding writer doesn’t have the guts on this exemplary piece to identify WHO the “stealthier army” consists of and even calculatingly and deceptively refers to the banksters’ in another essay as “Anglos”) as this financial analyst so eloquently articulates:

    A MODEST PROPOSAL

    My understanding of our economic system has changed over the last couple years. I’ve come to the conclusion that the middle class of this country has been caught in a pincer movement by two armies. My definition of the Middle Class is households making between $50,000 and $150,000 per year. The Free Shit Army is attacking us on the left. The middle class has been the backbone of the country, doing the heavy lifting in this country. They get up every morning and trudge off to work to support their families. The Free Shit Army sleeps in. They have chosen to not educate themselves in order to advance in our society.

    Politicians have enabled them to stay in poverty by providing welfare, disability, food stamps, and tax incentives that make their lives just comfortable enough to not work. If you provide money to people who are classified as disabled, you get more disabled. The Free Shit Army has 50% more disabled than the general population. If you pay people for not working, why should they work? The middle class works and pays their taxes. These taxes are then redistributed to the Free Shit Army.

    The second pincer movement on the middle class has been conducted by a stealthier army. This army has experts in propaganda, misinformation, and obfuscation. I call them the Ruling Elite Army. The generals are the ultra-wealthy CEOs of Wall Street banks and mega-corporations. Their armor divisions are manned by the corporate mainstream media. They are excellent at laying down a great smoke screen before blasting away. The infantry is manned by 535 Congressional officers with thousands of corporate lobbyist foot soldiers. This army has been given the mission to capture the supplies of the middle class.

    The middle class were not prepared for the assaults they have been fending off. They became soft and satisfied. They stopped training. They became distracted by their gadgets, delusions of home wealth, and fear of phantom terrorist enemies behind every bush. The propaganda machine of their true enemies has convinced the middle class that foreign enemies are massing. The enemy is within. The middle class will need to sacrifice and go to war against two enemies. Are they up to the task? I’m not sure.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23398.html

    Wall Street’s Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History
    $12.3 TRILLION in taxpayers’ money.
    by David DeGraw

    “What if the greatest scam ever perpetrated was blatantly exposed, and the US media didn’t cover it? Does that mean the scam could keep going? That’s what we are about to find out.

    I understand the importance of the new WikiLeaks documents. However, we must not let them distract us from the new information the Federal Reserve was forced to release. Even if WikiLeaks reveals documents from inside a large American bank, as huge as that could be, it will most likely pale in comparison to what we just found out from the one-time peek we got into the inner-workings of the Federal Reserve. This is the Wall Street equivalent of the Pentagon Papers.

    I’ve written many reports detailing the crimes of Wall Street during this crisis. The level of fraud, from top to bottom, has been staggering. The lack of accountability and the complete disregard for the rule of law have made me and many of my colleagues extremely cynical and jaded when it comes to new evidence to pile on top of the mountain that we have already gathered. But we must not let our cynicism cloud our vision on the details within this new information.

    Just when I thought the banksters couldn’t possibly shock me anymore… they did.”

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22291

    For the most thorough, staggering compilation of all the eye-popping, grossly disproportionate numbers (and in some cases, shocking total domination) of Jews behind the private banking cartel, the Federal Reserve, Counsel on Foreign Relations, appointment’s by Obama to every key economic position, Obama’s “Czars,” Goldman Sachs makeup, overseeing the nation’s purse – the illustrious “Treasury Dept,” and much, much more, please see my last 3 posts on “This is What a Collapse Looks Like” at the following link:

    For those willfully ignorant or genuinely moronic idiots still in denial about the Jewish hijacking and fiscal rape of this country, you can tell them “Game Over” with this evidence (just as I did in my debate with a lying piece-of-crap, bona fide “RabbiEric” on that same link)

    http://foundingfather1776.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/this-is-what-a-collapse-looks-like/

    • Bon, from the Land of Babble's Gravatar Bon, from the Land of Babble
      January 1, 2011 - 11:56 pm | Permalink

      Beautiful post, mon amie.

      But then, you’ve always been an amazing poster!

      Here is a link you may like: How to Prepare for the Coming Riots

      http://tinyurl.com/28z7eak

      Take care, and I’ll look forward, as always, to perusing your prescient, dead-on posts and reading any/all links you provide.

      (don’t know how to leave my e mail address here, otherwise I’d leave it for you)

      Bon

  37. Sigtrygg's Gravatar Sigtrygg
    January 1, 2011 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Quality judgements (plus some common sense), not value judgements. I’m sorry for hurting your feelings by criticizing some of the articles by some of the gentlemen you just mentioned. Anyway, I’m out of here until KMD sees the writing on the wall. When/if he does, I (and my colleagues) would be happy and ready to donate.

    • Mimir's Well's Gravatar Mimir's Well
      January 2, 2011 - 12:11 am | Permalink

      You’re the one taking your marbles and running away, so it must be you with the hurt feelings. Too will be here when you come back. Post under another name if it will save you some face…

  38. LEW's Gravatar LEW
    January 1, 2011 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Sigtrygg, I missed your last book. If you can do better, let’s see some of your work.

  39. Spooky's Gravatar Spooky
    January 2, 2011 - 3:33 am | Permalink

    Maybe you should have thought about donations before you turned the site layout into a pile of crap.

  40. Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
    January 2, 2011 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    Please write about this. Newsweek is. It’s horrifying:

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/12/29/in-china-pushing-the-talmud-as-a-business-guide.html

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      January 3, 2011 - 12:14 pm | Permalink

      Yep, that’s serious stuff—if true.

  41. Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
    January 2, 2011 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Bon: Greetings, my dear, to my accomplished, fellow, female warrior-on-a-mission-for- truth-and-justice! I just recently “visited” AmRen to check out their latest postings, and read one of your always erudite, eloquent postings. I will no longer post there, however, as it is patently absurd to claim one’s purpose as a entity concerned with the War on the West and the demise of her people, and then foolishly forbid posters from identifying or openly discussing THOSE who are waging it. I’ve long suspected (though I can’t prove it) that Jared Taylor sold out to Jewish money in 2006 just as Sierra Club did with their 100 million dollar donation from a Jew to silence them on the immigration issue (“to control the opposition, you lead the opposition”). Pretty much anything goes with regards to criticisms of Blacks, Muslims and even Whites, but don’t dare cross that line and critique the unmentionables for your voice will be stifled. I could no longer stomach the intellectual dishonesty.

    And please let me say this, Bon, since I recall you talking about your Grandfather being Jewish, I do NOT hate nor confine my criticisms to Jews, despite their having proven themselves as extraordinary haters of others. I am an equal opportunity critic. If it were up to me, the whole corrupt, rotten lot (save the truly honorable Ron Paul who has a perfect record of upholding the Constitution) of socialist/marxist incumbents “serving” our Congress would be on trial for treason. My problem is with the unconstitutional control of our monetary system by Jewish banking interests, organized Jewry and the Zionist zealots with their blind, treasonous allegiance to Israel, and their hypocritically forbidding to and even penalizing Whites for that which they reserve and freely practice for themselves. Need I mention that I have issues with murdering, starving and torturing people too?

    I emailed Professor MacDonald and asked him to please give my email to you. I would love to keep in touch with a kindred spirit. I still maintain a “cyberspace friendship” with a few former Amreners who, like me, left in disgust. If you don’t hear from me initially, it’s only because I cram my work-week into four days so that I’m able to have three days off. So I will be in touch as soon as time permits.

    It just is so demoralizing that our patriots like Prof. MacDonald and Peter Brimelow have such difficulty fundraising. I often write on Realzionistnews to try and rally the troops for Brother Nathanael’s relentless fund-raising efforts since he understandably doesn’t wish to allow advertisers (though he gets enough “hits” that could earn him substantial income.) The indifference to our plight by the likes of “Sigtrygg” is utterly pathetic, but I guess some men have been so effectively emasculated, they’re only too happy to let women fill the roles they SHOULD be filling.

    Bon, I spend a great deal of time on the financial investment/analysis websites (not so much for investment knowledge), but for the oceans of wisdom amongst them collectively of how the vampires are orchestrating this planned collapse, understanding the many, many underhanded but diabolically brilliant ways they have stolen this nation’s wealth, and to try to figure out ways of stopping this piracy and preserving what little I have managed to save. These elitists are scheming to go after the (the only assets that remain for the middle class) trillions left in our private retirement funds, and force us to buy our Federal Leviathan’s worthless treasury notes.

    I do still write also when time allows on the popular, financial website “Business Insider” because as I previously mentioned to Professor MacDonald, the owner is one of own, and he does not censor fair and fact-based commentary regarding the Jewish banking fraudsters or anything else. I must add, the fury with the banksters is palpable by the many intelligent, financially-savvy posters, but this is also true with the “progressive” websites like “Huffingtonpost” which to their everlasting credit, have done very good investigative pieces on the truly unfathomable financial fraud (as have the McClatchy paper’s remaining honest muckrakers on their awesome, award-winning Goldman Sachs series on fraud and the endless revolving door between them and our Treasury Dept) committed against we-the-spat-upon American people.

    Anyway, my dear beleaguered sister, Bon, please do write when you can as I would love to share with you some of my favorite financial writers whom have given me a first-class education for free, and continuously provide me with the fervent hope that this economic terrorism must come to a close after the inevitable fallout since all fiat monetary-based systems invariably implode, and that we need not succumb to being dragged into their planned, totalitarian New World Order.

    Come on, TOO fans, put your money where your mouths are and cough it up. Please help this website to flourish, and spread the word. Apathy and ignorance have brought us to the brink of disaster, and we can be a force to be reckoned with if we organize around our own ethnic interests. Supporting our activist websites is the easiest way to contribute towards that end if you can do NOTHING else.

  42. Bon, from the Land of Babble's Gravatar Bon, from the Land of Babble
    January 3, 2011 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Voir Dire:

    Check AmRen tonight. I’ll leave my e mail address there for you, one night only!

  43. Svend's Gravatar Svend
    January 5, 2011 - 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Some suggestions:

    *When KMac or other contributors to this site are interviewed TOO should provide a link. The best situation would have the interviews provided as podcasts that update when the interview is completed.
    *TOO needs a podcast. A weekly interview or discussion.
    *Key books (like CoC) need free audio editions (similar to David Duke’s books).

    I enjoy reading the articles but many people prefer audio/video. TOO needs as wide of an audience as possible.

    (yes, I will be donating to TOO)

  44. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    January 9, 2011 - 4:16 am | Permalink

    Voir Dire, check this out:

    http://thezog.wordpress.com/

    • Voir Dire's Gravatar Voir Dire
      January 23, 2011 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

      Zog:

      I have been compiling my own list of Jewish fraudsters (both indicted/convicted and unindicted) for the past two years, but because I don’t have the time to maintain a blog, I have yet to do anything meaningful with it. I also need to take a weekend to update it by adding all my latest additions (that I email myself from work after collecting them) that I come across almost daily. I have another list too called “Jewish morals… Not!!” that is absolutely staggering in its scope of criminality and Jewish debasement of our culture.

      Maybe once I’ve completed the former, I could email it to you, and you could do something with the information by adding it to your blog.

      The blogger “Zsidozas” had an excellent series of Jewish Fraudsters called “Hebreweconomics,” but he has since taken them down. I asked him on his blog to please restore them, but to no avail. That excellent show which I suspect has an activist-minded producer behind it, “American Greed” has been instrumental in uncovering many that I’d heretofore been aware of.

      The now deceased patriot extraordinaire, Curt Maynard, at one time posted a list of all the Jewish owned businesses to boycott (I didn’t realize until it was posted that Jews now own many of the professional sports teams too, but now I UNDERSTAND fully how they have come to own virtually all corporations that were at one time in American hands – through control, collusion and manipulation of our monetary system which puts them into the predatory positions to buy anything they damn well desire for fractions of their actual worth. Anyway, I failed to save that list after Curt posted it, and thus far haven’t been able to find another helpful compilation. I think if anyone had previously signed onto his blog (after requiring newcomers to register), they might still be able to access it. I blogged there regularly until he changed the format shortly before his untimely death, so other than the webpages I’d already saved, I’ve not been able to sign in. Maybe another of Curt’s fans can help out here.

      One thing is obvious though: Get your money out of the big banks, and move it to smaller banks (which they are gobbling up left and right in this planned collapse). This is even being advocated on the Marxist “progressive” blogs like “Huffpost” to starve the banking beasts. Little good it will probably do in the long run when they have direct access to the public coffers, and have effectively privatized their profits and socialized their losses.

      Cheers, my friend, and thanks for ALL that you do! It is immensely appreciated.

      Please donate to and help support our activist men, dear readers.

  45. Henry Ford's Gravatar Henry Ford
    January 12, 2011 - 10:07 am | Permalink

    I like the idea of a TOO podcast.It would help get more subscribers.So please send in a generous donation. I sent my donation in ! I sent it by mail. I hope you got it?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      January 12, 2011 - 10:17 am | Permalink

      A TOO podcast is a great idea. Hearing MacDonald and others talk about the issues of the day would be wonderful. Worthy of a donation.

  46. svend's Gravatar svend
    January 17, 2011 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    Yes, a podcast would be best.

    KMac does many (excellent) interviews but I have to look for them. It really would help if we had a central link to them. Preferably through a podcast rss feed. Other TOO contributors should be included in the rss feed as well.

    Had Darkmoon done any interviews? I can’t find any.

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