Abstractions Are a Weak Source of National Identity

Alex Kurtagic has a nice comment at VDARE.com on British PM David Cameron’s multiculturalism-is-a-failure speech. He notes,

A strong national identity is perforce traditionalist, particularist, and inegalitarian. It is dependent on localization, specificity, and uniqueness, as this is stabilized into a tradition over many generations, what differentiates the indigenous from the alien, then native from the foreigner.

A strong national identity, therefore, implies that what is indigenous takes priority over what is alien. It is incompatible with multiculturalism or diversity.

Surprisingly, Gregory Rodriguez, your basic Latino activist as affirmative action op-ed writer with a lofty perch in the mainstream media, makes a complementary point—that the proposition nation idea is not psychologically compelling:

“Freedom of speech, freedom of worship, democracy, the rule of law, equal rights regardless of race, sex or sexuality,” Cameron said, would provide “a clear sense of national identity that is open to everyone,” especially to young Muslims who are caught between cultures.

The only problem is that the freedoms Cameron champions, worthy as they are, hardly constitute firm “roots.” Anglo American liberalism is essentially a collection of abstract ideas, and abstractions simply aren’t as effective as bloodlines and religious ritual when it comes to bringing people together as a nation.

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This is the great disaster of the triumph of the culture of critique. In America it was an onslaught against Christianity and against White racial identity as sources of national identity. This attack was led by Jewish intellectual activists, most notably Horace Kallen, but supported by a  phalanx of activist organizations that marched through the institutions, waging war with everything from law suits against expressions of Christianity in the public square to loading up the school curricula with lessons on White guilt. The traditional sources of identity based on race and religion have been thrown aside as unutterable horrors, but the replacements are nothing but abstractions—abstractions that have rendered Western societies defenseless against invasion by every other people on Earth.

The ties that truly bind are the ones that plug into our evolved psychology—our ethnocultural roots built around a healthy ingroup/outgroup psychology attuned to differences in race and religion. Abstractions like freedom and democracy just don’t cut it at the emotional level. It is true that White people, and probably only White people, do get motivated by abstractions. That’s the whole point of the stuff on the WASP tradition.

But I do think that this devotion to abstractions has its limits. It’s one thing to see it in a more or less racially homogeneous society and when you are not personally threatened, but its another thing when its obvious that the abstractions are leading to a nightmare for Whites. Whites are indeed the most individualistic people on Earth but I do think that we will become more group-oriented and less mindlessly principled when the threats are obvious to everyone.

Rodriguez sees the rhetoric of of the proposition nation as masking deeper sources of Western identity:

Here’s the dirty little secret of the Western world: Exalted political ideals notwithstanding, Western democracies have historically fallen back on whatever tribal, racial, ethnic or religious solidarity they can drum up to solidify their identities. France, for instance, had liberte, egalite and fraternite, but what mattered most was the ne plus ultra of ethnic Frenchness. In Britain and the U.S., national unity has been built as much on whiteness as any other factor.

Right, but it’s hardly a dirty little secret. Latinos like Rodriguez are nothing if not deeply ethnocentric themselves, doing whatever they can to get more people like themselves to the US.

The fact is that right now it’s pretty hard to imagine a plea for American national identity couched in terms of Whiteness. But in the end, White Americans still think of the US as a White country even as the reality of their dispossession is becoming more and more apparent. And even though their sense of White racial identity must remain implicit rather than explicit in order to fly under the radar of political correctness.

Legitimizing and mobilizing an explicit sense of  White racial identity is the great challenge of the present.

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120 Comments to "Abstractions Are a Weak Source of National Identity"

  1. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 15, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Christianity is not now and has never been a “white” religion:

    1.) The majority of the earth’s Christian population is non-white and grows more so every day.

    2.) Christianity was founded and propagated by Middle Eastern Semitic Jews.

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 15, 2011 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

      I wonder if, as a general proposition, ethnic consciousness is higher among observant Christians or non-religious whites?

    • Philly Puritan's Gravatar Philly Puritan
      February 15, 2011 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Dear ZOGmeister,

      I look forward to the day the Goose-Steppers finally eradicate Christianity from the White Man’s presence. On that day, it will be permissible to remove Goose-Steppers from the White Man’s presence as well.

      You people are a true PITA and have contributed nothing since your cheesemaking, wiener-munching, leiderhosen wearing Papa Burgermeister-Meisterburger first waddled here. In fact, your net contribution to my Anglo-Saxon Christian USA has been negative, since it was your fuhrer’s abysmal prosecution of a war of choice against my blood cousins that gave selective breeding and White supremacy a bad name.

      How would you put it? Auslanders raus?

      THEN RAUS!

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 15, 2011 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

      @ Zoggy

      If you consider Platonism/NeoPlatonism as the dominant classical European philosophical-religious movement, which it was, then Christianity is the logical outcome.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 15, 2011 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

      @ Philly wrote:
      Dear ZOGmeister,

      I look forward to the day the Goose-Steppers finally eradicate Christianity from the White Man’s presence. On that day, it will be permissible to remove Goose-Steppers from the White Man’s presence as well.

      You people are a true PITA and have contributed nothing since your cheesemaking, wiener-munching, leiderhosen wearing Papa Burgermeister-Meisterburger first waddled here. In fact, your net contribution to my Anglo-Saxon Christian USA has been negative, since it was your fuhrer’s abysmal prosecution of a war of choice against my blood cousins that gave selective breeding and White supremacy a bad name.

      How would you put it? Auslanders raus?

      THEN RAUS!
      ——————–
      LOL. I know what you mean.

      There is a big difference between the descendents of the colonial era Protestant Germanic pioneers, and the Roman Catholic Germanics of the 1848 immigration.

    • mysmajcus's Gravatar mysmajcus
      February 16, 2011 - 9:29 am | Permalink

      In a way yes, but before the european expansion in the 16th century, the vast majority of the worlds christians was europeans (>90%) and the people who since then has been christianized have gotten christianity from europeans.

    • Ciaran's Gravatar Ciaran
      February 16, 2011 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

      Wrong. ZOG. Middle Eastern Jews have doen nothging but ATTACK Christianity fomr the beginning.

  2. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 15, 2011 - 3:33 pm | Permalink

    As Christianity returns to its primitive non-white/non-European roots , it will become increasingly difficult for pro-Christian WN’s to support it.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 15, 2011 - 11:14 pm | Permalink

      @ Zoggy

      The Roman Catholic & Jew alliance in the US Congress is an anti-White trend in the politics & history of modern Christianity.

      What really amazes me is that the Roman Catholic politicians, as I have pointed out, are even voting for Jew agenda items like homosexuality, hate crimes legislation, and whatever Israel wants next.

      I do consider Roman Catholics to be Christians.

    • Hans's Gravatar Hans
      February 19, 2011 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

      ZOG, why don’t you go back to post your trash at VNN?

  3. Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
    February 15, 2011 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    I often thought the first time I read Hitler that one of his mistakes was cutting out too many we call “white”. Clearly today there is a problem in defining who is and is not white. Not even DNA can really give us a good answer which doesn’t require a judgment call, and we make enemies of all we put on the wrong side of the line. Would self-selection be a better way?
    I know a lot of people would like to base it, at least in part, on religion. But if you make that some sort of requisite you are going to exclude a large part of the white race. Someone can share most of the values associated with religion without the mystical part. I’m not at all sure whatever genetic changes have taken place since Christianity really have any direct link to it. Regardless, it is an alien system in origin which was essentially forced on whites to begin with, and it contains mythical premises completely at odds with science-based thinking.
    I doubt there is anyone here who finds race-mixing more deplorable than I do. But as a pragmatic matter I cannot see any wisdom in trying to go back to something which has all ready failed. It seems a better approach to me to set our goal and move forward with the best and most realistic information we can develop. Going back has a lot of appeal to all of us, myself included. But as a strategy it is bound to fail.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 2:50 am | Permalink

      @ Whiteawake [February 15, 2011]
      There is both merit and intellectual confusion in your comment. Consider East Asia if you will and the diaspora Chinese Community.

      To Westerners, most of the inhabitants of East Asia all look pretty much the same; pretty much all “Chinese”. But, at closer examination, they are clearly NOT Chinese. Indeed, China itself boasts it is home to 50 different ethnicities. Each and everyone has a national costume, frequently and proudly displayed on CCTV’s various channels.

      Just about every East Asian and Southeast Asian country has a longstanding and significant Chinese community. Yet, the distinctions between the host and “guests” are known and understood by all. Everyone knows who is a Chinese, and everyone knows who is an ethnic or native Vietnamese, Thai, Malaysian, Indonesian, Korean, Filipino, et al.

      The term “White” is uniquely North American … and it is childish. It does not resonate with authentic Europeans. British commenters writing at this TOO Blog are sophisticated enough to reject the term while continuing to use it in order to communicate with Americans who, on average, are far too simple-minded for their own good.

      As some others commenting here have already advised, if you are truly serious about protecting your European (or ‘White’ for those who must insist on using the term) identity, then you should be having your Y-DNA analysed for genetic links to your ancestors. It doesn’t matter if you find 5% of your DNA linked to the Mongol invasions (or whatever); what really matters is what the bulk of your Y-DNA is made up of.

      We Europeans are not separated by Negroid Africans just by colour, or who has flat noses or not. It goes far, far deeper than the superficial. If white women who have sexual intercourse with negroes were made to really understand the DNA they were attempting to mix with, some would likely commit suicide in response. That is how stupid they are.

      And furthermore. There is NO such thing as a Jewish gene. What exists are genetic markers that are shared by certain Jewish communities. Simple common sense would suggest this would be so. I don’t give a stuff (a damn) about the much touted Cohen Haplotype. I don’t think any of you should either. All Cohens can go jump off a cliff. The world would instantly become a far better place if they did.

      Over 65 percent of the non-physical sciences (e.g., the Humanities) are a total fraud. They need to be shoveled into the dustbin of human history, and all statues honouring their originators smashed into fragments.

      In this way, we would put an end to the endless nonsense being propagated by effeminate Jewish charlatans like Jonathan Haidt (plus many others) through the posting of silly PowerPoint presentations on other people’s websites.

      Au contraire, mon frère! DNA can indeed give a good answer if you avoid trying to be too specific, and just stick to the general.

    • Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
      February 16, 2011 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

      It’s really not that difficult to define what a White is.
      It’s anyone who fits all of the following “namings” …

      Anyone called a Gringo, Gabacho, Guerro or Anglo by a Latino type;
      Anyone called a Cracker, Redneck or Whitey by an African type;
      Anyone called a Round-eye or Foreign Devil by an Asian type;
      Anyone called a Gentile, Goy or Shiksa by a Jewish type; and
      Anyone called White Trash, Trailer Trash or Hillbilly by a Coastal Urban type.

      If you are labelled as such by each of the above demographics, you are White.

  4. Student's Gravatar Student
    February 15, 2011 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Indeed, I’ve always found it puzzling that many white advocates or otherwise pro-white people profess belief in the Christian dogmas. Of course, the truth or falseness of Christianity has no influence on who it was invented by, and so pointing out that it is basically the worship of the King of the Jews shouldn’t have any effect on whether a rational person believes it or not, regardless of how they feel about Jews. Rather, I find it puzzling because it illustates well how indoctrination from a young age can even overpower deeply held, (and seemingly contradictory), views formulated later in life.

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 15, 2011 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

      I think a lot of people who write here underestimate just how thoroughly Christian Europe once was. 99% of Christians throughout history have had a much different view of Jews than Evangelicals have today.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 3:07 am | Permalink

      @ Student [February 15, 2011]

      Yes indeed. Have you ever studied the layout of St. Peter’s Square in the Vatican? You will note it is not square, but kind of round or in the shape of an oval. Do you know an obelisk (which is an ancient phallic symbol) stands in its centre? Do you know that as the seasons change, this obelisk throws a shadow as if it were a sundial? Do you know that at the two Equinoxes, the shadow thrown touches exactly, either side of the opening (the mouth) to St. Peter’s Square?? Did you know that at a particular day in every year, the Sun rises (or sets) I forget which, such that it lies exactly on a perpendicular line that runs out from the Vatican’s front windows and exactly through the middle of St. Peter’s Square?

      Christianity is PAGAN. It is Sun worship. Except, it is somebody else’s Paganism, and not ours!! There can be no European revival without the rejection of so-called ‘Christianity’. Christianity is for children and for so-called “grown ups” who evidently want to remain children!

      Everything the so-called ‘Jews’ created must be rejected and smashed to pulp. Everything … including Freemasonry! This is a calling to save not just ourselves, but all of humanity. Smash it all!! Wipe it out!

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 16, 2011 - 3:43 am | Permalink

      “Anglo Saxon” is a troll who has been outed several times. I think it would be more effective for him to just come out in the open and debate his concerns than carry on a silly charade that has gone beyond silly to boring.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 16, 2011 - 7:48 am | Permalink

      @ student

      Named “King of the Jews” by the Roman governor of Judea, as a put down of the Jews who had him killed. The Jews did not consider Jesus Christ a Jew, or they would not have had him killed.

  5. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    February 15, 2011 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Correct you are, Kevin. It’s the ‘implicit’ whiteness, the weak, watered down sense of racial and ethnic identity, along with race denial, that is killing the White race.

  6. Knutsson's Gravatar Knutsson
    February 15, 2011 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    KM:“The fact is that right now it’s pretty hard to imagine a plea for American national identity couched in terms of Whiteness. … Legitimizing and mobilizing this sense of White racial identity is the great challenge of the present.”

    Things should be kept in order – for example by distinguishing between national, ethnic and racial identities. The assertion that national identity is “incompatible with multiculturalism or diversity” is obviously an exaggeration. Many nations have been multicultural and/or multiethnic for centuries. Many of Rodriguez’ “abstractions” have been significant elements in national, cultural and religious identities. In a “post-national” era (i.e. in the West), ethnicity takes precedence over (outdated?) national identity issues.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 15, 2011 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

      Athanasius

      Europe was so much Christian because it was compelled. When the church held power it was as brutal in enforcing compliance as any system that existed until Communism. The French Revolution was probably inspired more by the abuses of the church then of King Louis.
      All of the Soviet Union was Communist too, but it doesn’t mean they were good.
      But never mind all that. If you can convince me Christianity will save the white race maybe I’ll become a Christian again.

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 16, 2011 - 12:26 am | Permalink

      Whiteawake,

      There is undoubtedly a universalist streak in Christianity.

      Let me take a step back here. One of the most potent weapons that is used against WN in the popular culture is that WN are consumed by hatred. But reading most people’s posts here, that isn’t true. People here don’t seem to hate others, but they love their own. It is natural that we want to preserve what has been passed down to us, as well as our own phenotype.

      Christianity, for better or for worse, is the repository of European culture. Even the only authentic pagan traditions I have, I have because they are preserved in the Church. More importantly, Christianity—the morals, the holidays, the food, the stories, the cycle of life— is the tradition of my father and my grandfather and his father before him for the past 1400 years. There is no other ‘authentic’ culture for me.

      Christianity, in its traditional form–Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran and Anglican before liberals took over, DOES accomplish the same goals as WN. If you are going to get married to someone who will pass on the same traditions as your parents had, it will probably be someone who looks like you. Furthermore, Christianity promotes strong and stable family structure that behoove raising successful children.

      If you read some of the things said by the former Archbishop of Athens, Christodoulos, or the Patriarch of Moscow, Alexei, it is clear that they were very interested in protecting national integrity. Of course, you won’t get Christian prelates saying that blacks or Hispanics are inferior– and I would never want them to say that. But practically speaking, Christianity can protect and promote European people and culture in a positive way.

  7. Hal's Gravatar Hal
    February 15, 2011 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    “Abstractions like freedom and democracy just don’t cut it at the emotional level.”

    Not true – they do for tens of millions of whites, and have for a long time. The Germans said that Americans in particular Americans were prone to such things. Long before KMac’s increasingly cartoonish and wicked Jew ever wielded his power in this country, fine men and women in the North, good Christians all, slaughtered the cream of the nation’s crop for just such gibberish.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 19, 2011 - 6:50 pm | Permalink

      I don’t want to but I have to agree with you, Hal.

  8. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    February 15, 2011 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Please stop comparing America to Europe.

    The U.S. is an immigrant creation (just like Chile, Brazil, Mexico etc.).

  9. dan neil's Gravatar dan neil
    February 15, 2011 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    I disagree that Christianity is not a white religion, it is eastern no doubt and runs against the grain of our evolved nature and I am not pro either.
    But ask yourself where is the black christian or catholic nations? The Asain Christian nation, the Indian Christian nations? Where is the south American Protestant or Evangelical nations?
    I see only white european christian first world countrys who have gone abroad to plant the seed of it as Matthew called them to to go out in to the cosmos and make disciples, and they did to our error.
    Getting whites back to Paganism, is a hard route but profoundly new religions have there way into our folks lives, via sports, pormography, motorcylces, and music…..
    So we have no identity save that what we have in hindsight and we must in our greatest challenge find a way to become desciples on a mission to defuse the Mantra of the culture distorters and repaid our lost white pride..

  10. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 15, 2011 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how long it will take for Whites to truly feel under siege? Most Whites don’t like Obama and yet he may manage to win another election due to demographic changes. This may begin to push the point home that Whites are losing their country.

    Whites have basically been able to run up to now … run to suburbia, run to other states … but eventually they will see themselves outvoted at the national level. And maybe that is the impetus they need.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 15, 2011 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

      Jason
      You address an issue I’ve been asking suburbanites for decades: Where are you going to run next?
      The one thing I can give Bummer is that his election seems to have woken more people than anyone in decades.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 15, 2011 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

      Whiteawake, that is a great question I am going to start asking Whites …. Where are you gonna run next?

  11. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    February 15, 2011 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    The two primary and openly stated aims of cultural marxism were to undermine Christianity and national identity.

    Whatever flaws Christianity may have this is a simple fact.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 15, 2011 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

      You’re 100% right about that, Wandrin. When searching for the truth of things and finding Christianity no longer acceptable, I wrestled with that for many years; for a long time I was, I guess, a “closet non-Christian”. But for me what finally became the over-riding fact was that Christianity has become so Marxist. I’ve had many Baptists tell me their pastor often gives sermons on “racism”. I haven’t been in church for more than forty years but if a preacher had started that I would have immediately got up and left. Come to think of it that’s probably the best solution to that particular problem. When the collection plate comes up empty….
      Another thing is that, pragmatically, even if my worst enemy says something true I have to go with it, though I may think everything else he says is garbage.

    • fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
      February 15, 2011 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

      Marxism targeted Christianity because Christianity was the primary binding force of Europe and European-Americans. It could just as easily have been Buddhism or Hinduism; whatever gives ethnic Europeans a collective identity is to be destroyed. There’s nothing inherent in Christianity that Jews, Marxists, or communists hate.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 15, 2011 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

      Whiteawake, are you serious that there are Baptist preachers that give sermons against “racism”? White ones? That shows how far the corruption has gone.

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 16, 2011 - 12:40 am | Permalink

      Fender strat,

      I think that Marxists hate Christianity b/c Christianity teaches that we can perfect ourselves by communion with God, rather than through the State. Christianity is always competing with the state, hence such strong Marxist/Jewish support for public health care. They want people to rely on the state rather than on groups centered around their families and churches, which inevitably are of people of the same race.

  12. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    February 15, 2011 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Great article.

    I also take Rodriguez with a grain of salt. He’s one of many liberal columnists who start talking around the issues when they sense the public is growing weary of their high minded, delusional ideals – an attempt to disguise their liberalism somewhat, or shroud it in complicated or confusing “nuance.”

    In the linked article, he states “Now I’m not for multiculturalism…” What?? That statement, as well as the first one Kevin quoted, don’t jibe at all with other columns he has written.

    He also says “Common sense tells us that too much emphasis on tribe, ethnicity or previous nationality can be at odds with the common purpose and cohesion of a nation with a large, diverse population.”

    Wouldn’t common sense also tell you that a large, diverse population was a bad idea to begin with?

  13. Philly Puritan's Gravatar Philly Puritan
    February 15, 2011 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    The comments here remind me of the “letters” section of the Mensa magazine, “Christians suck! Atheists rule!”

    I would like to learn more about the armchair fuhrers and La-Z-Boy chieftains posting here:

    1. How old are you?
    2. Have you actually procreated children?
    3. Do they claim you as father?
    4. Are you married? To their mother?
    5. Please list notable social, business, or military accomplishments (they need not be grandiose but should indicate that you have earned the respect of other living, breathing human beings or contributed to civilization in some way other than regurgitating the collected works of dead 19th C. malcontents and misfits as favoured by sophomores and their teachers, e.g., Nietzsche):
    6: Now tell me the truth. I know you’re lying.

  14. TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
    February 15, 2011 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Cameron’s multicult failure speech came as a surprise to me. I don’t think he understands that immigration is a tool for destroying White people. I bet he has that un-natural idea that we are all one.

    And I bet just as many immigrants came into Britain post-speech as they did pre-speech.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 16, 2011 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

      Tic Tac said: “I don’t think he (Campbell) understands that immigration is a tool for destroying White people.”

      You kidder, you.

    • TicTac's Gravatar TicTac
      February 17, 2011 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

      arthurdecco

      yeah, you’re right. Cameron knows what’s going on. He’s the footsoldier of the lower parts of the pyramid structure of power, and he doesn’t care about the people, any people, black or white – maybe even the “normal Jews”. The Zionist masters and the Anglo elites only care about themselves.

      Is that what you were meaning about me being a kidder – saying something that’s obviously untrue? Yeah, if it is, I should think more b4 I post. Sorry.

  15. JJ's Gravatar JJ
    February 15, 2011 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    We are now entering the last and final stage of modernity, the dictatorship of freedom.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 16, 2011 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

      JJ said: “We are now entering the last and final stage of modernity, the dictatorship of freedom.”

      Could you repeat your thought using clear, concise English please, JJ? I’ve always had trouble with slogans. No offence intended by the way – I’d just like it better if you could expand on your twitter-lengthed post as much as necessary to clearly explain your position.

    • Doug's Gravatar Doug
      February 16, 2011 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

      JJ can speak for himself, but I believe his message is clear: The culture of White American “freedom” has given detractors the freedom to successfully attack and suppress it, e.g., the Jewish ACLU successfully attacking White institutions and values in our courts.

    • arthurdecco's Gravatar arthurdecco
      February 18, 2011 - 8:01 pm | Permalink

      That wasn’t clear for me, Doug. So thanks for clearing up my confusion.

  16. Armor's Gravatar Armor
    February 15, 2011 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Rodriguez : “Western democracies have historically fallen back on whatever tribal, racial, ethnic or religious solidarity they can drum up to solidify their identities.”

    In the past, European populations were homogeneous, there was no need to solidify phony identities. People were what they were. Today, the abstract ideas that Jewish intellectuals say define Western identities are the same in the United States and in the European Union. It means that a Mexican who becomes American by embracing democracy and equal rights also becomes Irish, Greek, Finnish, and every other nationality in the European Union. And a White American who no longer believes in the legitimacy of his government becomes a stateless person. There will soon be 200 million stateless people in the USA. They will constitute the White American stateless nation.

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 15, 2011 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

      I think we already are a stateless nation, Armor. We became one the day Eisenhower sent the troops into Little Rock. From that moment on we became second-class citizens without the protection of, and at odds with, what had been our own government. (There’s a moral here: Other than perhaps FDR’s war for Communism, no single act by a president since the Civil War has ever resulted in so much harm to this country and the white race. This, by a so-called conservative Republican.) I will never forget what it felt like in 1964 getting out of the Air Force and within 3 months having my hometown full of F.B.I. and federal marshals, with thousands of troops poised to come in, to bring blacks into our schools. I felt my four Air Force years were in service of an enemy.

  17. fender_strat's Gravatar fender_strat
    February 15, 2011 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Out of curiosity, does anyone have any solid information on when the European nations started shipping millions of non-white immigrants into their borders? I know that the 1965 immigration law was what did it for America, but when did the insane push for multiculturalism start for Europe, and who specifically were the people pushing it?

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 3:47 am | Permalink

      @ fender_strat … to answer your questions:

      Europe’s immigration madness began in England (or somewhere in London, to be exact).

      On 22 June 1948, a ship carrying 492 passengers from Jamaica (nearly all young males who had boarded at Kingston) docked at Tilbery. This group constitutes the very first large group of non-European immigrants into the UK (and into Europe) following the Second World War.

      You will note that the British population was still living on food rations at this time (while Jamaica has always been abundant in foodstuffs). According to Wikipedia:

      Rationing [in Britain] was in fact more strict after the war than during it—two major foodstuffs that were never rationed during the war, bread and potatoes, went on ration after it (bread from 1946 to 1948, and potatoes for a time from 1947). Tea was still on ration until 1952. In 1953 rationing of sugar and eggs ended, and in 1954, all rationing finally ended when cheese and meats came off ration.

      Rationing is why so many young English men and women who had grown up during the 1950s and 1960s looked so skinny or small in stature in comparison with their American cousins. Yet, the “Powers That Be” were quite happy to open the nation’s doors to immigrants during a time of controlled FAMINE!!! Those responsible were traitors and should have all been hung by a rope.

      The vessel’s name was MV Empire Windrush … named after a tributary of the River Thames, called “Windrush”.

      In 1998, an area of public open space in Brixton was renamed “Windrush Square” to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the arrival of these West Indians.

      Clearly, those organizing this semi-official batch of black immigrants were “taking the piss” out of the indigenous people of Britain.

      But the joke gets worse. The MV Empire Windrush was originally sequestered in 1945 in the port of Hamburg by British forces upon their capture of the northern city. The vessel was originally constructed (named Monte Rosa) to provide cruises (see “Strength Through Joy” programme) for ordinary German citizens by the NSDAP regime in pre-war Germany.

      The people “pushing it” have yet to be identified, but consider that England became a de facto Jewish (Yiddish) fiefdom following the abdication of King Edward VIII on December 11, 1936 (N.B. King Edward VIII admired Hitler’s policies), and the appointment of Winston Churchill as war-time Prime Minister (complete with his Ashkenazi Jewish ‘advisors’) on May 10, 1940.

      I have just given you crucially important information. Therefore, I hope you now have a better idea of what happened, and why.

      Regards,
      Angelsachse

  18. Lookaround's Gravatar Lookaround
    February 15, 2011 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    David Cameron’s statement is composed of the same foul gas of baseless PC rhetoric that’s emitted from the mouths of typical Western politicians. So instead of multiculturism, he’s apparently promoting assimilation of the different races, which sooner or later implies miscegenation. In the real world that idea has had little to no success, since most people prefer to stick with their own kind. Even if total assimilation could be accomplished, it wouldn’t improve conditions for whites. It would destroy them as a separate race. Lowest common denominator comes to mind – otherwise described as peeing in the punch bowl. Better that whites and the alien groups stick together with their own kind, in their respective native lands. America is now based on an abstraction. That’s why it is doomed to banana republic status, or worse.

  19. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 15, 2011 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Germany started importing Turkish “guest workers” in the 1950′s, I believe.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 3:53 am | Permalink

      Z.O.G.
      I have just posted a lengthy answer to fender_strat’s original questions. But, it has been marked for “moderation”. So, expect to see it appear (above) after several hours. It would appear from your reference to “Turkish Guest Workers” that you will benefit greatly from studying what I have written, as what I have provided is MUST KNOW information.

  20. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 15, 2011 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    “Philly Puritan” is a good example of why Christinsanity is incompatible with a biological/racial world view.

  21. Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
    February 16, 2011 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    Christianity really gets a pass when it comes to racial purity, because all the negros, mexicans, and asians, who are quite welcome in our church, freely choose to go elsewhere. My church is 98% white, run by white men, and it is here in an almost 50% minority metropolis. Why is it that way? Are my fellow Christians a bunch of darn racists? I wish! The negroes and mexicans prefer to go to their own churches, with their own people. I can privately get some solidarity on race with white people there at the church but even though they really like our white cultural ways few would consider themselves racist. If there are Christian churches out there openly advocating for white interests please let me know.

    • Doug's Gravatar Doug
      February 16, 2011 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

      Mainline Protestant churches (Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.) have substituted social justice for the myth of Jesus thereby allowing them to preach social justice as a religion. The Catholic church has lost so many White adherents that it relies on flotsam and jetsam minorities from all over the world to partially fill its pews. And evangelical Christians believe Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy.
      Lesson: Don’t look for White salvation in the churches.

  22. Philip's Gravatar Philip
    February 16, 2011 - 12:27 am | Permalink

    A problem with using abstractions as a source of national identity is that it is at odds with multiculturalism. What right does a true multiculturalist have to insist that immigrants from a different culture adhere to the typical American abstractions? Why should such immigrants adhere to those abstractions?

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 16, 2011 - 12:58 am | Permalink

      Because those abstractions theoretically benefit the country collectively. But you aren’t going to get Hispanics to buy into meritocracy when it is more advantageous to them to live of the government’s tit.

    • Philip's Gravatar Philip
      February 16, 2011 - 1:29 am | Permalink

      Different cultures have different values and weigh them differently.

    • Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
      February 16, 2011 - 1:52 am | Permalink

      That’s true, and that’s why it used to be that ‘becoming American,’ with all the concomitant benefits meant accepting American ideals and culture.

    • Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
      February 16, 2011 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

      Philip, there is a two-stage process in play.

      When the “minority” element of the MultiCult enters, he is a minority and it benefits him to hang his head and beg for admission in terms of a universalist “propositional nation”.

      When the “minority” element gets enough of his co-ethnics “in country” to form colonies and access political power, he no longer begs for “equality”, he asserts his separateness from the MultiCult by using his acquired power to keep his ethnic interests separate from other demographics, and hopes to acquire more power at the EXPENSE of other demographics.

      Stage 1 is passive, head-down begging for “inclusion”.
      Stage 2 is aggressive, in-your-face demands for you to support his ethnic separatism.

      Nice game, huh.

  23. Jimmy Marr's Gravatar Jimmy Marr
    February 16, 2011 - 12:46 am | Permalink

    “I wonder if, as a general proposition, ethnic consciousness is higher among observant Christians or non-religious whites?”

    I think consciousness, in general, is probably higher among non-Christians.

  24. Philip's Gravatar Philip
    February 16, 2011 - 2:15 am | Permalink

    “Latinos like Rodriguez are nothing if not deeply ethnocentric themselves, doing whatever they can to get more people like themselves to the US.”

    Ethnic “leaders” need people to lead. Hence, such leaders are so noisy in demanding more and more immigration.

  25. de Maistre's Gravatar de Maistre
    February 16, 2011 - 2:53 am | Permalink

    Christianity does not concern itself with race and so on, but it has always defended the concept of Fatherland and loyalty to king and country. That is to say, until the second Vatican council.

    When Rome decided that is has no enemies anymore in the 1960′s and that every one could just hug in false ecumenism, all good forces in the West basically died off. This had of course serious repercussions on all Christian sects and split offs.

    There is obviously a clear correlation between this and the end of the West and the total domination of the Enemy.

    • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
      February 26, 2011 - 5:08 pm | Permalink

      A great post and a great screen name. I hope that people who don’t recognize it will take an hour off from TV watching or reading Longley’s comments to look up Joseph de Maistre and learn something about a man who was probably the most profound of the anti-Enlightenment thinkers.

  26. European's Gravatar European
    February 16, 2011 - 3:36 am | Permalink

    How do you develop an organic white group culture here in the USA? It is fast paced, hi and by, already watered down culturaly. I always asked myself what is the American soul, what does it stand for, how is it principled ? I found nothing but differences among groups and people, no structural commoness in culture, none I could align myself to. Rights and Law’s are only for those who can afford a lawyer. Many are denied their basic human rights. Even behavioural, same statement or question, all different emotional responses or answers. Limited, but experienced commoness I found with other immigrants, they see America as I see it – alien, and of course people from my own cultural background who left much behind as I did and adjusted.
    In our homes we sat for hours and discussed politics, religion and social issues, music, arts etc. (no TV) and we grouped in churches, and did more the same there. Like “Luthers Stammtisch” with his Students. Those were discussion, sometimes we argued, but you always knew you belonged. This made you who you became as a person …a body of knowledge, or a survival guide for mind, body and spirit within a group – culture, you grew and expanded.
    There might still be a jewish district here somewhere, or a black, and china-town, in the US, but white groups? I don’t see it. In white or mixed churches you are asked to leave your head outside the front door, or you’ll get it chopped off if you differ in theology. White Grouping will be like finding needles in a hay-stack, when you are swamped by other cultures. I think the survival of the white race, and what ever culture they had achieved here died always with the second Generation of European immigrants. Unless they were big Merchants. The assimilation process and demands made on the individual are rarely achieved by the first generation, and much dies with them. The second generation loses itself in this culture of consumerism. You have to find like minded people, something worth saving and fighting for… a common denominator. What do we want to transmit to the next Generation? They always learn best by how we live. Group building with the depth and strength of the cultures that have existed for over thousand years… like the Europeans, or Jews, Italiens etc. I don’t think will see this here in the US in my generation.
    Christianity has made the big mistake not accepting their later atheist, agnostics or doubters, although they’ve been raised in churches. Had, or will they to do so in the future, as they accept gays and lesbians now, priest will get married etc. then whites might still have a chance to regroup, change the church and religion to reflect their experiences of a natural order, and impact the future for whites and families in a positive way. Perhaps like Paul, who bud-rest’s his writings, and later the church, on Judaism. We don’t want to go back to Judaism, we know where it had led us, but perhaps we can find our own natural Religion in the process with rituals that bind people together. (no more blood, please) Meaning bud-rest the group on a strong existing order, and then evolving! If that makes sense. Just an idea!

  27. felipeb's Gravatar felipeb
    February 16, 2011 - 3:50 am | Permalink

    For White identity to prosper in political America the Catholic – Protestant divide must be bridged or at least papered over. Look at the numbers, they need each other. Both have their faults and legitimate resentments. But shared interests are greater and must be allowed to prevail.

    The two votes on immigration during the last attempt to invoke amnesty are illustrative. The first vote in which the open border crowd prevailed had Protestants split, the Catholics tending towards amnesty and the Jews solid for it. The second vote that defeated it demonstrated a small movement among Protestants away from the leftist cause, large shift in that direction by Catholics and the Jews stuck solidly to the anti-White position.

    Catholics made the difference. They were the swing vote. The Protestants who hold rigidly political correct views were harder to crack than Catholics. A lot of work has to be done on both constituencies. The Jews are hopeless. They hate us. But as Benjamin Franklin noted, if we do not hang together we will all hang.

    If we are divided we will be conquered. America needs a domestic political Peace of Westphalia for the White race to recover, survive and prosper. Save your powder for enemies. Stop aiming at potential allies. Again, look at the numbers. We need each other.

    For the record, I am Half and Half.

    • Tom's Gravatar Tom
      February 16, 2011 - 8:28 am | Permalink

      No. The Roman Catholic politicians have to be beaten until they break their alliance with the Jews in Congress.

  28. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 16, 2011 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    JJ dictatorship of freedom

    See Berlin positive/negative liberty. Adam Curtis made good documentry called The Power of Nightmares. Part 3 addresses Berlin but all parts good.

  29. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 16, 2011 - 5:39 am | Permalink

    Sorry guys my mistake doc is called The Trap

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 6:08 am | Permalink

      Grim … by “The Trap” do you mean this book?
      http://www.amazon.com/Trap-James-Goldsmith/dp/0786701854

    • February 16, 2011 - 8:14 am | Permalink

      Anglo Saxon February 16, 2011 – 6:08 am
      Grim … by “The Trap” do you mean this book?”

      Curtis, a typical PPP Oxbridge graduate, is prone to distort for dramatic purposes it would seem. Look up “FROM PIGEON TO SUPERMAN AND BACK AGAIN” by Adam Curtis on t he BBC blogs as much of that piece is factually false/misleading as some should now be able to tell if they have followed my links and posts carefully, especially the hour long audio.

      I cite the above link from November 2010, in order to draw attention to the important fact that some of what I have been referring to (Behavioural Economics) is now having a policy impact in No. 10 and beyond (as well as in the White House). But note, this is via the other team, i.e these are not those of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior. See the last paragraph of Herrnstein 1990, and look up the Hume reference on temporal discounting, as it is an important footnote raised by Wilson who co-authored Crime and Human Nature with Herrnstein. See also J.Q. Wilson’s famous ‘Broken Windows’ paper incidentally, but note, both Murray and Wilson are often described, even by themselves as Libertarians or Neoconservatives – are they Jewish? – See what a mess this leads too?).

      This work by Richard H Thaler, Cass R Sunstein in view, is wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing, an example of misappropriation by stealth. One tends to find a lot of smearing of truth at the hands of so-called ‘Libertarian Paternalists‘ (aka Neoconservatives? See also the AEI in this respect).

      See Monbiot (1998) “Far Left or Far Right?” on this classic entryist behaviour. It is extremely devious. Or is it? How does one distinguish entryism from ‘assimilation’?

      A recent programme on the UK economy (made by the same director who did the Global Warming Swindle) broadcast on CH4 in the UK contained demonstrable numerical untruths, e.g. about the size of the UK Public Sector (which is in fact only 20% of the workforce). The programme said the Public Sector was larger than the Private Sector. Beware, regulation is now extremely lax, so the naive public is easily misled/abused.

      One may ask if those who mislead really know what they are doing? Entryism like intensionalism (which is still de rigueur</I in psychology) is deception. It's perpetrators are fond of makeovers, namechanges and other subterfuges. But do intensional analyses ever suffice to provide prediction via control, or should they be exorcised in favour of analyses of classes of behaviours from The Extensional Stance, examining outcomes (aka consequences) instead? This is, I suggest, why the EAB has been buried, just as much in the IQ, ethnicity and other group difference work (e.g sex) was – it is deemed bad for Libertarians and their business. The observable consequences of Libertarianism demand greater regulation by the state, not more freedom to choose.

      Inflation is now double the BoE MC target of 2%, at CPI 4%, RPI 5%. The state continues to be rolled back. To what end? NUTS in the EU or just expropriation of public assets for profit?

  30. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 16, 2011 - 7:24 am | Permalink

    No mate its a BBC documentry by Adam Curtis. Do a search on Google Vid you ll find it. He has made several peices that are all online.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 8:17 am | Permalink

      Will do. Thanks mate.

  31. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    February 16, 2011 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    Cameron (who is close to Michael Grove author of Celsius 7/7) said

    Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.

    I think Cameron (a protege of the last (Jewish) Conservative party leader M.Howard) is viscerally anti nationalist. He is probably conscious that he represents what the Economist recently called Londonism

    Pro-finance, pro-immigration and hungry for investment[...] freewheeling, relaxed about globalisation

    Being committed to even more immigration they have to worry about the Muslims getting out of their box. (Grove the ‘British Neocon’ is happy for them to keep coming in.) In 2007 Cameron was threatened with a libel action after he called the (Eurosceptic) UK Independence party (Ukip)

    “fruitcakes and loonies – and closet racists mostly”.

    Howard’s promotion of Cameron was clearly done to place him in position for a leadership contest. An elite Brit -WASP like Cameron was much preferred to working class David Davis by Howard (and most other Jews I suspect). Cameron represents a political class which is totally confident that it represents the wave of the future and has absolutely no allegiance to the traditional concept of the nation, thats why he talks about abstract concepts which are “open to everybody. Look at the way he laughed at Dennis Skinner’s question about Turkish admission to the EU saying that he would gladly replace him with a Turk. Cameron and his pals are a different breed.

  32. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 16, 2011 - 9:21 am | Permalink

    David, maybe he is and maybe he does but watching those docs taught me about people and concepts that I, someone with no higher education but an appetite to learn and improve myself, was unaware of and provided a starting point to study. Similar to your posts perhaps?

    • February 16, 2011 - 10:04 am | Permalink

      Just a tip. Be careful. Read the Curtis November blog as I say, and look into the facts of the matter, especially regarding NUDGE. Nobody benefits from learning untruths about the world except perhaps those peddling these in pursuit of a crooked political agenda and hoping to profit financially at the expense of others by peddling enticing creative ‘narratives’. The media is very much in that line of business. True researchers (traditionally) were not. Today, it has become much harder for anyone to tell (cf, Global Warming etc) alas. The Power of Nightmares was thought provoking, but bear in mind what I’ve said about Islam and riba. Libertarianism depends upon interest.

  33. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 16, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    Thanks David, I do try to be careful. I try to live by what I continually tell my work mates “stop parrotting opinions you read in red top rags, learn the facts and form your own opinion”

    As you can imagine it doesn’t always go down to well!

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 16, 2011 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

      Grim … I hope you realize that a man in your position (vis a vis your workmates) has a VERY challenging yet crucial role to play?

      Good luck fellah!

      A piece of advice if I may. Serve “bite size pieces” of new info as these can be more easily digested … and remember to be consistent. Also, focus on the bigger picture and not on the fine details, unless asked.

  34. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 16, 2011 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    KM wrote “Legitimizing and mobilizing an explicit sense of White racial identity is the great challenge of the present”

    Thanks KM. I’ve been thinking a lot about best how to use the realities on the ground to create a more industrial level of funding while at the same time supporting that general objective you mention in a variety of other ways. I’m feeling like the difference between failure and success for us all could literally come down to me and whether I make a commitment to work for this on the shopfloor and to deliver realworld results. That’s the way we all should be thinking now because it could literally be true.

    One thing I think would be helpful from you, or from someone else you think has the right insights, would be an article that, sort of, lists what ways disadvantages we face can be turned to advantages.

  35. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    February 16, 2011 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Will somebody please throw a net over David Longley?

    • February 18, 2011 - 6:58 am | Permalink

      Whay don’t you just tell us all what you don’t like?

  36. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 17, 2011 - 3:11 am | Permalink

    This is slightly off topic, but I would really enjoy having Dr. MacDonald are one of the other fine writers do a write up of Michael Scheuer, the ex-head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit. He has written several interesting books and is on Fox occasionally. He has openly stated that Israel is a huge liability to the US, and unlike some critics of Israel, he doesn’t come at it from a Left wing perspective.

    I would encourage people to look up his works and videos.

    • Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
      February 17, 2011 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

      jason, everyone,
      It might sound cruel to say it, but Israel and the way it treats Palestinians, and the racial mythology that is taking root there, and all the apartheid-like policies: all of this is GOOD FOR THE WHITES.
      That’s not to say I would wish it on the Palestinians or even on the decent Jews. But the fact that, not by any act of ours, it is happening, is good for us. It is waking millions of whites up to the reality of the double standard and the fact that this racial suicide we have been sleep walking toward, heavily encouraged by our Jewish friends, is something that they have no intention of doing for their own people. In fact no other race in teh world is walking that plank with us. They are encouraging us and smiling and waving, but they ain’t coming too. That is one of the most important pillars of the wakeup call.
      So let’s not be complaining too much about Israel. Israel, by expressing the full nature of our Jewish cousins, is helping to wake us up by the millions.
      And we are waking up. Righ now millions of Whites are quietely feeling the rage, betrayal, and impotence of their situation. It feels like we’re so far into this, against an enemy that is so cunning, so smart and so full of unbridled contempt and hatred for us and so full of the undiluted intention to literally see our extinction and the destruction of the civilization our ancesters built up over hundreds of years, that there is nothing we can do, that we are trapped.
      Right now that’s the feeling of millions of people who haven’t even made it to KM’s site and other places like this.
      But in the end, in fact it isn’t true. We’ve got the time to wake up and once we do we’ll have plenty of time to set things right. No one can match our output of genius, creativity, inventiveness, great leaders, and sheer bloody mindedness. Oh…the way to set things right may not be clear to us now, but there’s still plenty of time and this game isn’t over by a long shot.

  37. Grim up North's Gravatar Grim up North
    February 17, 2011 - 4:18 am | Permalink

    A S – Thanks for the support. Sometimes it feels like i am an extra in invasion of the body snatchers if you know what I mean!

    I hqve read your posts with intrest and you seem to be aware of some of the more esoteric beliefs of the elite.

    Have you heard of Rick Strausmans work on DMT and the funding he recieved from The Scottish Rite
    I think it may intrest you.

    David – I finally got round to reading the 1945 manifesto and all I can say is Wow where did we go wrong!

    • Whiteawake's Gravatar Whiteawake
      February 17, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

      Dr. Kevin
      One of the things we see to be having here is defining our group. Maybe I’ve missed something which has gone before but I’m wondering if you can help us reach consensus. “White race”? “European’? Whatever. Personally I don’t care much what as long as we have a term we all understand.
      One of my neighbors had a grandchild named something she didn’t like. For months she called the child “Hey you”. I’d rather not be “Hey you”.

    • February 17, 2011 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

      “David – I finally got round to reading the 1945 manifesto and all I can say is Wow where did we go wrong!”

      How can I put this? Libertarians, anarchists, naive (genetically sucidal) women, the Conservative Party (especially under Thatcher), the IMG, Miltant Tendency, SWP then New Labour.

      Old Labour was bad for US business, aka Financial Services? Orwell helped to put the boot in of course. He was an anarchist.

      It didn’t help that the UK populist electorate kept giving Old Labour a hard time, or that the USA was waging a Cold War against Fabians over in the USSR/Warsaw Pact, Vietnam etc.

      It’s why the PRC etc refuses to have the sort of democracy which we export as freedom, and why the USA/EU would like N Africa and the Middle East to be democratised/secularised so they become good consumers/borrowers.

      That’s just the real world. That’s just business. The Soviets used to call such business a crime against the people of course (see Wall Street and The Credit Crunch followed by massive Public Sector carnage, all part of the plan some might say, and all predictable). The Chinese of course include their capitalist class as just one of the small stars on their flag, perhaps to keep an eye on them – an instantiation of pragmatic apposite allocation – all part of state driven population management by engineers? ;-)

  38. Wandrin's Gravatar Wandrin
    February 17, 2011 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    whiteawake
    “But for me what finally became the over-riding fact was that Christianity has become so Marxist.”

    fender_strat
    “Marxism targeted Christianity because Christianity was the primary binding force of Europe and European-Americans.”

    I generally agree. I just get antsy at people who are so anti-Christian they won’t accept that when cultural marxism was first developed Christianity was target number one.

    fender_strat
    “Out of curiosity, does anyone have any solid information on when the European nations started shipping millions of non-white immigrants into their borders?”

    Someone ran an ad in Jamaica for men to come and work in London and someone sent a ship to go pick them up. I’ve never seen any information on who.

    A lot of it with the ex imperial powers was they set up their citizenship laws to include former colonies because they wanted a right of return for the white colonists but didn’t want to make it explicitly only for those of white descent. They assumed the native colonials wouldn’t take advantage of it and they probably wouldn’t have without active encouragement. Most of that encouragement initially came from business wanting cheap labor. It was only later that the left realised race could be very useful to them.

    Given how well known the Windrush story is it’s actually very odd that those details aren’t so well known. I assume that means the people who arranged it were you know who.

    As a footnote Tony Blair, who completely opened the immigration flood-gates around 2001, named the company that deals with his finances “Windrush.”

    I think France was similar. IIRC Germany was bullied by the US into accepting the Turks but my memory could be wrong there.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 18, 2011 - 3:04 am | Permalink

      @ Wandrin …
      Regarding Germany. You are probably correct. Realize that Germany is still an occupied nation. The Third Reich was never officially and legally ended because the Occupying Powers wrote post-war Germany’s Constitution, which it currently and meekly feels obliged to abide by.

      As I have posted already at this website (when I listed them all by name) there are something like 7 (read that again … SEVEN) military bases being run by the United States on German soil today, over 65 years after the end of hostilities. Germany is not an independent entity. It is being run by Zionists, which is why Germany is still paying reparations to Jews despite the fact most from the 1933-45 era are now dead! And why it throws into jail (gaol) anyone who even attempts to question anything about the official Holocau$t narrative.

  39. February 18, 2011 - 3:08 am | Permalink

    I like the last paragraph of the Gregory Rodriguez op-ed:

    The truth is, without relying on some form of old-fashioned tribalism — or perhaps the unifying effect of a war — we have no idea exactly how the rapidly diversifying nations of the West will cohere moving forward. The only thing we can know for certain is that both sides of the debate over multiculturalism are fooling themselves.

    For someone to point out that the both the so called liberal and so called conservative positions in respect to this key issue are based on delusion is something usually only mentioned in an internet ghetto.

    For the LA Times to publish it is staggering to me.

    This actually is surprising, where of course the speeches of Cameron, Merkel, and Sarkozy were most assuredly not.

    My one quibble with the op-ed is that it implicitly makes the assumption that the rapidly diversifying nations of the West will somehow or the other manage to cohere.

    I wonder if Gregory Rodriguez really believes that, or if he’s just being strategic and wants America to cohere longer so Mexicans end up with the maximum possible amount of land.

    • February 18, 2011 - 6:07 am | Permalink

      Reginald February 18, 2011 – 3:08 am

      “I like the last paragraph of the Gregory Rodriguez op-ed:
      /
      For the LA Times to publish it is staggering to me.

      /
      My one quibble with the op-ed is that it implicitly makes the assumption that the rapidly diversifying nations of the West will somehow or the other manage to cohere.

      I wonder if Gregory Rodriguez really believes that, or if he’s just being strategic and wants America to cohere longer so Mexicans end up with the maximum possible amount of land.”

      Observe the intensional language, the ego-centric reference? One of the classes of behaviours which are highly prevalent/frequent in our society, and which you instantiate in the above, is that of basing what one believes on those whom one thinks have authoritative status just because they write in the national media (be it books, newspaper articles, TV programmes or whatever). It even happens with respect to blog article writers vs commentators. Most peole do not discriminate between who says and what is said. The truth of what is said is not a function of who says it, or where it is said.
      F=ma is true wherever.

      What’s more, to make matters even worse, it’s what those (usually paid) sources ‘think’ or ‘believe’ which impresses or ‘opinion makes’.

      Yet opinions don’t materially matter, as intensions in general are flawed (see guru or king making). These aree not truth-functional, hence the saying ‘it’s only an opinion’. It is the stuff of media noise – churn. Churn is good for market-volatility and profit.

      Opinions serve to fuel the anarchistic process of Permanent Revolution i.e churn, and most people in our ‘educated’ Libertarian Democracies are now completely immersed/lost in this verbal intensional noise. Simply pointing out how it works (e.g. ‘said that’ often is not verbatim reporting for a translation), does not stop it because it’s so integral to their behaviour they can’t see (itself another intensional idiom) how it subverts.

      So long as this is the case, in a populist (see ad populum) democracy, where most people ignore Behaviour Analysis and evidence based practice in favour of rhetoric, people here really have no hope, as their behaviour is just part of the mass problem. They don’t see that they’re in the grip of an illusion spinning machine and contributing to it. It’s one which foments argument and inertia. They won’t see how they contribute to it, all in aid of making effective regulation by law and the executive well nigh impossible. Regulation even self-regulation, is bad for businesses and their markets. Self-regulation is self control of Operant behaviour, not impulsive behaviour. The latter is child-like. That arrested developed, narcissistic, anarchistic behaviour, is good for consumerism. Good for the few who profit from this. That is why immigration is deemed good for the economy, and a higher birth rate amongst the brighter is deemed bad.

      There are no orchestrators, no sisinster planners. The Libertarian system itself determines all this. There are no Elders, just many whose behaviours are selected and reinforced by the consequences. Those concerned in Wall Street for example, were just doing their fiduciary duty.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 18, 2011 - 7:01 am | Permalink

      @ David Longley
      February 18, 2011
      Fascinating response to “Reginald”. Very profound. Possibly one of your best.

    • February 18, 2011 - 8:16 am | Permalink

      Anglo Saxon February 18, 2011 – 7:01 am
      “@ David Longley February 18, 2011 Fascinating response to “Reginald”. Very profound. Possibly one of your best.”

      Getting past the hurt filter is well nigh impossible. It is a censor and censure.

      As to your remarks on Germany elsewhere. Persist.

      It might be helpful for you to look through past comments or just google the demographics on the East and Western Libertarian-Democrcies noting the TFRs, especially noting those of the Eastern bloc after 1989. Then look at Human Rights (EU and UN). Which religious group practices eugenics and does not comply with the popular human rights prescription to treat women equally, (and I am not referring to Islam or Catholicism, both of which are offshoots and have dysgenic practices).

      Just look at a) the numbers and b) the behaviours/practices, forget intentionsn – people argue about the inensional because they are not empirically refutable, they are not even amenable to logic. Listen to politicians, they use them all the time. As do ‘psychologists’. The language of psychology is intensional. It is not a science.

      It is the TFRs which come first. Look to lower skilled (low mean genetic intelligence) immigration only second, as a desperate, get fateful, response to compensate and inflate the cheap labour force (effectively slavery). This may be described as demographic/economic warfare with Libertarianism as the modus operandi. It knows no borders. It is globalist, internationalist not nationalist. It can also just be called naked capitalism of course. Fiduciary duty.

    • February 18, 2011 - 11:35 am | Permalink

      One of the classes of behaviours which are highly prevalent/frequent in our society, and which you instantiate in the above, is that of basing what one believes on those whom one thinks have authoritative status just because they write in the national media (be it books, newspaper articles, TV programmes or whatever).

      That’s a strawman.

      I’m not saying the op-ed is true because it was published in a major newspaper.

      I’m rather saying it’s surprising and interesting that an op-ed so subversive of the currently dominant liberal worldview would be published in a major newspaper.

      You just keep trying to fit every peg into your Longley shaped hole, and it doesn’t make any sense.

    • Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
      February 19, 2011 - 2:16 am | Permalink

      @ David Longely …

      It is the TFRs which come first. Look to lower skilled (low mean genetic intelligence) immigration only second, as a desperate, get fateful, response to compensate and inflate the cheap labour force (effectively slavery). This may be described as demographic/economic warfare with Libertarianism as the modus operandi. It knows no borders. It is globalist, internationalist not nationalist. It can also just be called naked capitalism of course.

      Understood … as I also did with your preceding words. Thank you.

      And please don’t allow yourself to get too worked up trying to inject sense into people determined to dwell in the realm of “idiots” and hobgoblins.

      It is clear, some are attending this blog simply in search of conflict. They need their “fix”.

      With your profound mind, it should be easy for you to identify the need to just meditate for 15 minutes on a regular basis, and perhaps also do a little Yoga?

      Add the passage of “empty time” to your repertoire, David.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 19, 2011 - 2:36 am | Permalink

      Anglo Saxon is a tedious troll which everyone surmised a long time ago. It is fascinating how obvious they are. Note that AS has had not one negative word to say about Serveris, who was a destructive troll and an agent provocateur, who even went to the trouble to create a fake website extolling the virtues of freaks in an attempt to make White Advocacy look bad . That site has mysteriously disappeared by the way. So obvious.

      Why didn’t AS ever utter criticism of a troll as destructive as Severis? Because AS is a troll too.

      Eventually he’ll change names, and try some trivially different approach. And then he’ll be outted again. Pretty sad.

      Meanwhile, the real scientists in various fields are accumulating evidence necessary to prove race-realism. Haidt is just one of many. Change is coming and the trolls can’t stop it.

  40. February 18, 2011 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    Yet opinions don’t materially matter, as intensions in general are flawed (see guru or king making).

    Opinions do matter. They have an effect on how people think, and how they think have an effect on how they talk and behave.

    Perhaps people are wrong to care what an op-ed writer in a major newspaper says more than what some random guy says, but the fact remains that they do so it makes sense to pay some attention to what op-ed writers in major newspapers say.

    It even happens with respect to blog article writers vs commentators. Most peole do not discriminate between who says and what is said. The truth of what is said is not a function of who says it, or where it is said.

    I already admitted in another thread that something you said was, as far as I know, true.

    I said this in spite of almost everything else you say being non sequitor ridden drivel, so obviously I already understand the principle you’re inexplictely lecturing me on.

    • February 18, 2011 - 11:47 am | Permalink

      Last paragraph should read:

      I said this in spite of almost everything else you say being non sequitur ridden drivel, so obviously I already understand the principle you’re inexplicably lecturing me on.

    • February 18, 2011 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

      ” already admitted in another thread that something you said was, as far as I know, true.”

      Most of what I post here is true. Unpopular, because it is unfamiliar, but true.

      You, on the other hand, still do not read enough of the links provided, nor observe your own behaviour carefully enough to learn from it.

      It’s your loss.

  41. February 18, 2011 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    David Longley,

    If you want you can respond to this blogger who asked you a question:

    http://mindweaponsinragnarok.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/question-to-david-longley-commenter-at-too/

    • February 18, 2011 - 2:23 pm | Permalink

      Once you’ve listened to it, why don’t you post a link to it – ref 3, telling the person concerned to let it settle or just give up as they’re not bright enough to ever understand?

      In the 1970s, when I was an undergraduate, a question on Beyond Freedom and Dignity was frequently a final year question on a Learning paper. People who argue that this can not be the case are basically just uneducated people who are not entitled to be enlightened given their narcissistic arrogance. Let them continue to behave as fools. Others will abuse them – others have abused them (see the link to the Herrnstein paper (1990) and what I have said about Behavioural Economics and predatory lending).

      Ask yourself, what possible use would any science or technology be (e.g. physics, chemistry, biology, engineering) which explained actions of objects (including people’s medical conditions) in terms of ‘free will’?

      Q. “Why did the heart stop doctor?”

      A. “Because it wanted to….”

      Ridiculous.

  42. February 18, 2011 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    It’s your loss.

    Your opacity is such that there’s no way to know without spending a lot of time trying to decipher your points.

    Considering that I don’t find your habit of scapegoating libertarians for the problems of a very statist society very well thought out, I doubt it would be worth the trouble.

    No offense.

  43. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 19, 2011 - 2:39 am | Permalink

    There are now three major European leaders that have publicly stated the failure of multiculturalism. England, Italy and Germany. This is significant. It’s only a start and they have still not confronted the problem of mass immigration, but at least they now see and admit the need for a unified culture if their nations are to survive.

    And I have a feeling that at the end of the day, the Europeans will not choose suicide. This is good news.

    • Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
      February 20, 2011 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

      I am not sure about wthere Britian, Germany and Frances stance on multi-culturalism mean anything as immigration to these countries are not of the same proportions as it is in America. In Europe the indigenous population is about 90% while in America if you take Euro Americans ur looking at a mere 65%. Big difference. It all about Jewish influence as we can see from the latest UN resolution about Israeli sttlements, Europeans do not go as far as the US since its American influence and not Jewish domination of Europe that is what we are looking at. So Europe will go a certain distance but will stop as long as they do not antagonize America. The Europeans will not let their country lose its culture and identity as Jews do not control them. They control America which Jews use to try to influence Europe. As we saw in Egypt its not the same as controling a country as Mubarak the Israel supporter man fell in less than three weeks.

  44. Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
    February 19, 2011 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Comrade Longley wrote:
    February 18, 2011 – 12:45 pm |
    …..
    “Most of what I post here is true. Unpopular, because it is unfamiliar, but true.”

    Could you point out which posts were untrue?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      February 19, 2011 - 8:41 pm | Permalink

      I thought Longley was autistic but given how personal and attention-seeking his posts are, I doubt that now. If he has been posting like this for almost 20 years on the internet, then some other issue is the problem. Individuals who sincerely believe they are in possession of a great truth usually go write a book about it, they don’t waste time making posts that no one reads.

      Why doesn’t Longley cease and desist from posting on this site and go share his insights with peer reviewed journals? Perhaps spend time getting something published? That’s what a normal professional in the field of science would do.

  45. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    February 20, 2011 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    When White people are finally bankrupted by the Federal Reserve and jews using our money to get rich – and by blacks and hispanic baby mamas, everybody will leave our country and we can rebuild.

    • Bigmo's Gravatar Bigmo
      February 20, 2011 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

      Barbara ur funny. But blacks won’t leave America as they were never really immigrants. But ur right about Latinos since all they have to do is cross the border. But the Jews will require a revolution to be toppled as they are a ruling elite.

  46. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 24, 2011 - 1:21 am | Permalink

    David Longley, everybody here already knows that Libertarianism is a Jewish ideology. So what the hell is your point?

    • February 24, 2011 - 9:49 am | Permalink

      Z.O.G. February 24, 2011 – 1:21 am

      “David Longley, everybody here already knows that Libertarianism is a Jewish ideology.”

      Really? Do you know that for sure, or have you just fabricated it for dramatic effect?

      “So what the hell is your point?”

      Did Oedipus want to have sex with his mother?

      What does intenSional refer to?

  47. Z.O.G.'s Gravatar Z.O.G.
    February 27, 2011 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    For those of you who don’t know anything about the background of Jamie Kelso, then read this:

    http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5790

  48. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    February 28, 2011 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Re. the video about Enoch Powell, it is nonsense that Powell was disappointed not be chosen as Tory leader instead of Heath. In fact nobody (including Powell) thought there was any chance of him winning that contest. It is very dubious that he thought that the issue of immigration was going to advance his political career; those who had raised the issue previously had been treated as political lepers. Harold Wilson actually called the best known one (Peter Griffiths) a ‘leper’ in the House of Commons.

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