During my time in university I took courses on the rise of European civilization, the first civilization to achieve global domination. Back then, most historians we had to read on this topic we Jewish - Wallerstein, Landes, Frank, etc. Still, the book which made a biggest impression on me was ReOrient: Global Economy in the Asian Age — the central thesis is that Occidental economic dominance was a temporary break from Oriental economic domination, which results in a continuous negative trade-balance between Europe/America and Asia. Now, ten years later it seems we are experiencing the reshifting towards an Asian dominated economy.
I have been in Asia several times, especially in China, and I was awe-struck by the sheer size and magnitude of their history, their present and their future. What Edmund Connelly wrote about Japan actually can be applied to the whole of East-Asia. All Asian economic tigers have the same features — authoritarain political leadership, strong cultural-ethnic awareness and a state-sponsored centralized economy. Even countries which appear to be democratic like Japan and Korea are actually run by a technocratic elite of one dominating party. These countries are staunchly monocultural in composition and outlook. Although China has a lot minorities (56 ethnic groups), they constitute less than 10% of the total population. They never appear on television, except for the yearly Spring Festival television show in their traditional clothes like some kind of exotic bird species.
What the rise of East-Asia teaches us is that democracy and free markets are not necessary ingredients for a properous economy. Compare the economic demise of the Soviet Union after a popular revolt in 1991 and the economic rise of China after smashing a call for more democracy in 1989. The East-Asian countries also did not receive any development aid to speak of, unlike Africa. The most striking feature is the total absence of political division. The nation is seen as sacred and individed. Most East-Asians dislike dissenters, which are seen as people who make their country look bad to the outside world (and subsequently make them lose face) and agents of the West.
In my opinion democracy is a weakness, not a strength. Democracy makes the political parties sensitive to financial pressure (because no political movement can sustain without it) and therefore foreign influence. Democracy also gives a big loudspeaker to partisan minorities, in other words: it is a necessary condition for the culture of critique against the dominating values and culture. Democracy also divides the nation into interest groups, which generally creates a lot of division but does not solve anything — everybody has been given a voice, but nobody is satisfied. Democracy is the road to national dissolution. Democracy is not the way to recover a divided nation.
Back to Asia. America has never been thought of as a role model in Asia. Pat Buchanan has recently broached this topic: “We demand that the Chinese be more open and tolerant of opposition and dissent. But when they look at the gridlock of American democracy, the pettiness of our politics and the failure of our policies, while they are on the move at home and all over the world, why should they want to be more like us?” Even in 1978 when Chinese’s communist leader Deng Xiaoping came to capitalist America to negotiate economic cooperation for his country wrecked by years of cultural revolution, there were jokes about American democracy [video, from 3:14]. Even the main reason for demise of America, open borders and mass-immigration, was greeted with a sinister joke from Deng’s side, shown in this video (from 4.37).
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
But, but, but… how I am I going to blossom if there isn’t democracy? I can’t
be me (and all that entails), unless I have a voice. My mother even told me
that I could become President, surely I’m entitled to my status AND stuff!
Mike
[authoritarain, properous, can sustain without, individed ?]
They are termite societies. ‘Big Brother’ is a term of endearment in Confucian culture. East Asian intelligence.
China’s one child policy is another reason for the lack of political opposition, it was probably instituted for that reason. (Compare the Arab countries – big families and a load of ‘middle class’ graduates with no jobs and nothing to do but make trouble.)
China has also problems just because of its one-child policy. One problem is the burden which it places on future generations.
Revolt in China in 1989 was due to the same reasons as the current Arab revolt: high unemployment among low skilled labourers, high inflation (especially concerning foodstuffs) and a big group of highly educated youngster with no prospect of a job.
Relative wealth and openess is no garantee against revolt, because the Arabs started to revolt first in the most wealthy and liberal nations of Tunesia and Egypt.
Nanjing anti-African protests
Algeria is past it’s youth bulge, they have long since killed all the troublemakers and their families ( everyone knows the the massacres in Algeria were government false flag operations). The excess young men are not there any more. I agree wealthy countries suffer most from unrest, that is because really poor people are too busy trying to earn a living to cause much trouble.
Tunisia is an example of an Arab country full of the young, educated and useless who think their government ought to give them substantial jobs; they have unrealistic expectations of their position in life.
National Socialist Germany was the modern Western European version of these Asian Nations.
In the end it was Western man’s loss at the demise of that nation as well as ALL the Nationalist movements that were rising in the 1930′s and 40′s
Too right mate. Speaking just for myself, I’m tired of all the “The White Race is the greatest, if only we could throw off the Jewish chains” whining. It’s over, Johnny; it probably was when the Romans were subverted by the Messianic Jews. The Roman Church was a brief Aryan Rebirth [Evola: more Roman than Church] but then was routed by crypto-Judaic Protestantism, which bred democracy, revolution, Marxism, etc. As you say, the Nationalist movements of the 30s [what Yockey called The European Revolution of 1932] was the last hurrah.
Christianity never penetrated China too much, but its secular surrogate, marxism, sure did. Even so, the basically healthy Yellow Race has absorbed and transcended it, as it has so many other rivals. [BTW, if NS Germany had won, Hitler would be regarded like Mao: "Sure, he killed lots of people, made some mistakes, but we revere our elders." So much for PC and Holocaustianity]. Speaking of which, China remains juden-frei in culture, and their increasing colonization of Afreaka speaks for itself. This is White done right.
Face it, White Man: Traditionally, culturally, economically, population-wise, China is truly the Middle Kingdom, the White race is an under-performing kid brother ["W" comes to mind; the perfect symbol of modern White Man], the Jews are parasites, and the Negros are alternately comical and dangerous failures.
After a brief anomalous interval, [caused by the Jewish infection of the Roman Empire, which took off like a Golem for a few centuries] things are finally righting themselves. I for one welcome our new Asian overlords!
James O’Meara, funny bit paraphrasing Kent Brockman for your final sentence. However, it’s not over. In fact, the tribe is worried. That’s why you’re here. If it were over, sites like this would be ignored. Now get to work in the sugar caves.
As I have been repeatedly stating, China is consistently being infiltrated. You think the kids of this couple aren’t going to be running Chinese banks/television stations? http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/stories/chinese-man-american-woman-have-rural-traditional-wedding.html
Look closely at the comments. Even the nationalists are only suspicious of the woman because she is “American.” The Chinese are sitting ducks.
“Democracy makes the political parties sensitive to financial pressure (because no political movement can sustain without it) and therefore foreign influence.”
- Some form of democracy is also a prerequisite for an efficient (capitalist) economy. The Chinese model will only be successful up to a certain point. Diminishing returns, etc.
“Democracy also gives a big loudspeaker to partisan minorities, in other words: it is a necessary condition for the culture of critique against the dominating values and culture.”
- Only when it’s multicultural/multiethnic. Ethnic homogeneous democracies are not dysfunctional from a culture-of-critique point of view.
“Democracy is not the way to recover a divided nation.
- That’s probably right, especially in the situation we’re in nowadays.
” The East-Asian countries also did not receive any development aid to speak of, unlike Africa.”
The East Asian countries have recieved an absolutely massive and unprecedented transfer of technology and industrial capital. You’re right it’s not aid. It’s the proceeds of the looting and transplanting of capital that the American people created over the last 300 years.
It can’t carry on because there’s not much left to steal and transplant. We’ll only know the true potential of East Asia when this blood transfusion from the west has stopped.
Very true! If you read Chinese investment law, it almost presupposes technology transfer. This must have been negotiated at the outset with Deng Xiaoping.
This also once again goes to back to: “Who is running our ‘American’ companies.” Whose interests do they have in mind?
I don’t resent the Chinese–they are doing what anyone would do. But I do resent the Americans who give them the keys to the kingdom.
“Although China has a lot minorities (56 ethnic groups), they constitute less than 10% of the total population.”
And they’re almost all Asian.
http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/23/chinese_crowd.jpg
I am a white man. I do not believe we should mix with the other ethnicities when it comes to having kids as it will cause white people to disapear. That is the extent of my white ethnocentrism.
Everytime someone on this site downgrades non white ethnic groups as inferior the jews win a small battle. I read people on this site writing that writing bad things about jews will turn off the avg white person. This is false. I tell the truth about jews all the time and most people from all ethnicities agree with me. Expecially face to face. There are no real truths to tell about other ethnicites that have any merit. It is all either not thought out or just plain mean. Minority crime rates are easily explained. Jews (1% of the pop) control almost 40% of the wealth in the USA and blacks and latinos (33% of the pop) share 1%. Everyone else has wealth commensurate with their population. Minorities steal because jews disenfranchise them and blame whites for racism in the media. Who cares if blacks have lower IQ’s what does that have to do with jews ruining the USA? There aren’t a bunch of black people sending our kids to die in the Middle East. Black people are not in our central banks funneling wealth to other blacks to the detriment of all of us. Black people did not loan themselves money created from nothing to buy our corporations and send our jobs overseas. Black people don’t own the banks that are now forclosing on millions of homeowners after their jobs were sent away. The US minorities are clearly the jews biggest victims.
Divide and conquer is something the jews have been charged with for centuries. Why are so many of you people playing into their hands like this? Jason Squeeks is probably a jew so I get why he does it but the rest of you are just shooting your own foot. Not to mention mine and everyone else’s
I am suspect of Dr McDonald because he has played into the jews hands by making it a “white” issue..
@Jim
Some ethnic minorities have a very strong feeling of otherness like the Tibetans (due to their religion) and Uygur (muslim ánd white), and their ethnicity dominates western China, almost a quarter of the country which happens to treasure most of the mineral resources.
Dirk, what you say is true.
Yet, I’m often amazed when I meet someone from China or Japan. I share more with them (in terms of personality, priorities and values) than I do with a black guy across town…and his family’s been here three centuries.
I’m not saying I want more Asians to immigrate. I’m saying that whatever challenges the Chinese face with minorities, it’s nothing compared to what we face here in America.
Asians are easier to relate to in that sense than blacks, because at least Asians care about their families. Is there any race on earth that discards its own youth as easily as blacks? Most White men in America contribute more to the upbringing of black children (through taxes) than do black men.
If you look at Africa, they don’t invest much in their children either. Africans seem to stand apart from the rest of the human race in their child rearing practices and concern for family.
“[Ethnic Minorities] …never appear on television, except for the yearly Spring Festival television show in their traditional clothes like some kind of exotic bird species.”
I’ve often wondered whether they are actual representatives, or just Han fill-ins from the general cast? The Communists have always attempted to be inclusive of minorities in their propaganda (compare the Cultural Revolution ballet: “Sons and Daughters of the Grasslands”), but are very weary of any organized group that might manifest political opposition. And they are quite aware of the Muslim situation in Xinjiang.
On the surface it is very free–at least for routine living. I once sat in a coffee shop in Guangzhou, and was surprised when my Chinese host asked about my feelings on being in a “police state” (his words). I must say, it was easier and more pleasant crossing the Chinese Communist border (cute girl in a uniform hurrying me through while smiling) when contrasted with the goons of Homeland, who are typically thuggish boors, obviously full of themselves and their power to engage US citizens with frivolous searches and inspections bordering on harassment.
I’ve wondered that too. But speaking to Chinese college students, I’ve learned that many of the beneficiaries of their affirmative action see themselves as Han anyway. Furthermore, they have a one drop rule to qualify for such programs. So the Manchu and Tujia who represented their minorities at the university couldn’t even speak their own languages.
I would also point out that Han already make up the majority of the population in Tibet, and probably in Xinjiang, too (though the government denies it). At this point, though there are many angry Uighurs and Tibetans, they are only capable of rioting (as was seen in 2008) in a way similarly to the way blacks rioted in the USA in the 60′s. But they are no where near able to take power in any region. I suspect that within 50 years, both groups will be fully sinicized.
The largest minority in China, the Zhuang (who live in the Southeast) seem to have almost no ethnic consciousness at all.
What the rise of East-Asia teaches us is that democracy and free markets are not necessary ingredients for a properous economy.
Even the Founding Fathers knew the dangers of unlimited democracy. And we need to remember the US is not a democracy but a republic. There is a difference. Mob rule always leads to despotism.
We also have to remember that countries like China are playing “catch up”. They have been so economically backward that almost any kind of semi-free market will allow them to rapidly progress – up to a point.
so, what good did to the chinese to avoid democracy in the last 2k years ? so far famine and cannibalism up to 1958, laogai (concentration camps) even now, widespread misery, terrible pollution, destruction of ancient culture and architecture, police torture, massive corruption…
Switzerland is the most democratic country in the world, they ask the opinion of the majority on every issue through referendum every months. The USA also were until the the ’60s
Given the choice 99% of the people of the world (except the chinese) would choose to live in Switzerland rather than in China and actually still choose the USA
What is the stupid nonsense about democracy is bad and asian authoritarian states are the model ? Why wasting energy and confusing issues on this idiocy just because jews are successful in influencing US democracy ? They were influential under any kind of regime, from Muslim Spain to Polish feudalesm to comunist bolscevism… Yes, not with nazionalsocialism, but somehow Hitler concentrated his efforts on enslaving Slavs and in so doing brought to its people the biggest catastrophe of the last thousand years. You know, the majority of the Germans were not really keen to fight in Russia, maybe a tad more of democracy could have avoided that catastrophe
Peter has missed two modern giants in Orientalism – Jewish Dr. Nernard Lewis and US-Arab Christian Dr. Edward Said.
The first ‘Global Civilization’ was the ‘Muslim Civilization’ emitting from Muslim Spain to Sicily – while Europe was still living its Dark Age.
Democracy looks good in dictionary but has never practiced in the real sense anywhere in the world. It’s not the Asian or Afrcan who don’t practice democracy – United States itself is run by a tiny majority of elites (mostly Jewish groups).
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/it-is-not-a-democracy-stupid/
It’s good to look at China and Japan and learn as much as we can. But we also need to remember that Japan considered us a vastly inferior race, and probably still do. China, from what I’ve read, is even now using US methods to wipe out the Uighurs.
The only reason China is doing to well is because we have transferred 500 years worth of knowledge and wealth to them.
They could have never done it on their own.
China was a great civilization when Americana was not even discovered by the European colonists.
Europe got most of its scientific knowledge from the Arabs especially from Muslim Spain.
China bought most of it arms technology from Israel which stole it from the US and France.
Rehmat is like many who exaggerate the input of Arabs and others when it comes to European advancement. It’s along the lines of the invention of gunpowder, which was developed independently in different parts of the world at about the same time, yet the Chinese tend to get sole credit in the mainstream media. It should be noted that the Chinese apparently filched the idea and formula for gunpowder from the Koreans who get no credit at all. It also worth noting that many Jewish “historians” and Jewish-Approved historians (who want to keep being funded / printed) are constantly finding evidence of the Chinese having invented this and that. The surprised Chinese will right along with it. I’m waiting for the claims of gliders and airships, so the b.s. artists pushing Chinese (and Jewish) inventions can argue with the Afro-centrists about flying machines and interstellar travel.
While many civilizations existed before Europe’s rise, they existed first and foremost because of the hive-like behavior of their populations, particularly amongst the E. Asians. Europeans, being more independent and without a doubt far more creative took longer to form into large cohesive groups, but when they did, and when they do, things take off.
It should also be noted that Japan, China etc. stagnated. On their own, without help. The Asians like to say their creativity was killed when strong, centralized govt. was created. This is a lie. They invented nothing until they had centralized governments, such is their almost insect like behavior in some areas.
European civilization(s) kept advancing until sidetracked by the Semitic Road Show whose far too long stop in the West has just about tanked Western Civilization for now. It is an undeniable fact that Japan, China and the rest of the Asian Tigers would today be little more than medieval countries if they had no contact with whites.
The Arabs stagnated then fell backwards. Not much more to add.
Once Jewish rule collapses, and it will without a doubt, things will be put back in their proper order in the West.
Most people have no idea how Jewish control has slowed down or completely crippled advancement in certain areas. They intentionally keep funds from white researchers, whites in R&D in the US who depend on grants. They sabotage funding if whites are in charge of something. In some areas, the Jews will release funds, if the real workers/brains will agree to put the Jew granting the funds or a Jew “suggested” by those in charge into the “credits” as one of the main players, if not the main player (this happens a lot in medicine, etc.). This is detestable and no doubt KMac has heard about this type of thing.
The Jews stole your future. Without their interference, their behind the scenes war of genocide against the white race, not only would this country be very different, the world very different, we would be more advanced in many areas of technology than we are now, as hard as some may find that to believe.
A good example of Jews stopping progress is the US Space Program. One reason the Jews worked hard to twist things in order to kill the program and pump that money into Israel (and toward non-whites to help them breed and breed), was because of all the scientific advancements that resulted from that program. People have no idea, none at all.
When something looks good for the goyim, looks like it might get away from the Jews, they go into overdrive to have it killed. They begin to agitate until a significant number of them can get to their own leaders or simply create enough unrest to knock the hated white goyim off track.
With all due respect the decline in the west has roughly coincided with female suffrage. You give me a relatively homogeneous populace with some minor suffrage restrictions (women and those on the dole can’t vote) and I think even democracy will work fine in the west.
Dave, who was behind female sufferage/women’s lib in the US? For the bulk of the existence of the women’s movement, it’s been the tribe, though their has been no shortage of self-hating whites and useful idiots from the gentile camp.
Let’s just look at the flipside of all this: since early 20th century fall of Manchu dynasty, China has collapsed into absolute chaos every few decades. So it will be again, given growing economic and political tensions that are at least as bad as our own. Think I’ll stay here: have gun, won’t travel.
@Athanasius
“I don’t resent the Chinese–they are doing what anyone would do. But I do resent the Americans who give them the keys to the kingdom.”
Agree.
“Europe got most of its scientific knowledge from the Arabs especially from Muslim Spain.”
The Muslim “Golden Age” — which lasted 200 years — was based on the contributions of Christians and Jews. The Muslims who contributed anything were those who were the least Muslim of all.
Bob, could you expand on this? Where can one go for further info in support of your viewpoint? Tks.
“It should also be noted that Japan, China etc. stagnated. On their own, without help. The Asians like to say their creativity was killed when strong, centralized govt. was created. This is a lie. They invented nothing until they had centralized governments, such is their almost insect like behavior in some areas. ”
This is rubbish, pure and simple. It’s the sort of big lie technique myopic white racial “realists” (yea right) use to keep themselves smug in the notion that they’re somehow superior to Asians, even though Asians excel Whites in the very same areas Whites excel Blacks. If Asians were blonde haired and blue-eyed nordic caucasians, everyone here would be singing their praises and extolling their virtues. As to the alleged lack of Asian creativity, check a book called “The Genius of China”. The fact is, the west didn’t even pull ahead of the East until about the 16th century, and it was largely made possible with the aid of Chinese inventions.
I admire many things about Asian cultures, including their strong family structure and high value placed on education. They are also not crime-prone when living in the West, though mass pograms have occurred in Asia. I still do not know, however, what degree of modern Asian development is indigenous and what is merely copied or stolen from the West. There is probably an empirical answer to this. While the Chinese were highly creative centuries ago, I for one am not so sure how creative they are now. There is a notable tendency in East Asia to copy from others, merely improving on what they find. My position is like someone above, that if Asians can create something, so much the better. I do not think we should run big trade deficits for any reason, particularly if others are merely selling what we created or can produce back to us. Generic American democracy is very poor at solving this problem. If whites were independent economically within an American federation and in control of our economies, which would be dedicated to improving whites’ standard of living, I think we would do much better. This would mean “exclusion” and other words liberals and the left, if not free marketers, hate, but that is the way it would have to be for us not to be slaves to others in any economic form, be it trade, control over economic resources, production, and markets, institutions, etc. We need freedom to chart out our own destiny, and the indiscriminate nature of liberal democracy and free market economics are only getting in the way.
Arthur:
I have worked as an engineer for over 20 years, mostly with Asians. They work hard, are usually very polite, and are decent engineers. However, I’ve never seen one come up with a design or product that wasn’t basically a copy or improvement. Most of the time, they are holding the thing copied in their hands as they describe their “improvement”.
The world doesn’t really have any proof of Asian creativity.
You shouldn’t be ashamed, though. You little yellow guys are hard workers and decent citizens. You take the far east and stay there, and we can be friends. Please, however, quit stealing so much intellectual property.
Douglas Quaid: “When something looks good for the goyim, looks like it might get away from the Jews, they go into overdrive to have it killed. They begin to agitate until a significant number of them can get to their own leaders or simply create enough unrest to knock the hated white goyim off track.”
This reminds me of a Jew who, upon finding out that I had white nationalist sympathies, told me, “I thought we had finished that off.”
In this article you say : America has never been thought of as a role model in Asia.
I was under the impression that the Japanese , due to Gen MacArthers intelligent and magnanimous reconstruction after the ww2 , esteemed and emulated much that the USA once was. I’m no expert so what was the situation?
Google “The Myth of the Islamic Golden Age” or “The Myth of the Islamic Tolerance in Spain” and you’ll find quite a few scholarly articles debunking the myths so prevalent these about the glorious past of Islam.
Saying that Asians are not inventors is bunk. Chinese for example know exactly what they brought the world: gunpowder, compass and printing. The white man has copied a lot of things from the Far East. Besides, I will never descredit a man for copying, because that is a sign of intelligence. Blacks in sub-Sahara don’t do that, even when they are being taught simple high-yielding techniques by Western experts.
With respect, Dirk, I believe you are radically overstating your case, certainly with regard to printing. Chinese block printing produces beautiful artifacts, but the mid-fifteenth-century invention of mechanized printing is an event wholly unrelated, especially in its cultural and civilizational ramifications, to what the Chinese were doing. Indeed, mechanized printing’s consequences make it even more significant than the Western employment of gunpowder in warfare, which was itself a development without connection to the Chinese use of it as a means for entertainment (viz., fireworks displays).
Dirk, the Chinese used their form of compass for feng shui, not for navigation. Basically they used it to indulge in a form of superstition. Their use of it for navigation is a recent myth. The Chinese used block printing. The Europeans invented the printing press, a machine. There is too much conflicting info on gunpowder I must say. I checked on a post above that states it was invented or discovered in different areas at the same time, so maybe the time was right, that’s happened in other areas too. I personally believe the Chinese hit on gunpowder first, but what does it matter? They never dreamed of use for it for anything beyond fireworks, despite new myths to the contrary.
I do side with those who believe whites to be more creative, and I believe this is a function of the structure of their intelligence, their cognitive ‘layout’. I remember a study showing Taiwanese 5 year olds to be much more concrete (on average) in their thinking than their 5 year old white counterparts, allowing them to progress in certain areas of computation more quickly. However, the Asian youngsters had almost no lateral or divergent thinking ability (such as their is for kindergarteners) while the white children had imagination by the truckload in comparison (able to look at pictures and instantly create stories, link unrelated items into one idea etc.). This is genetic. Yes, the white children developed in their ‘concrete’ areas of thinking later, while retaining their imagination (of course levels differed among individuals) while the Asians tended to remain concrete, not really excelling in lateral abilities.
You can bet Chinese scientists will look into it and see how they can adjust their people’s make up, while any white trying to do such here would be put out of business as a Hitler like racist by the Jews, who are no doubt already busy on trying to improve these areas amongst their own.
“You little yellow guys are hard workers and decent citizens.”
Uh…Scooter, I’m a white man, but that doesn’t mean I can’t give credit where credit is due, and I don’t feel threatened like some when anything positive is said about other races. I will further add, that WN’s obsession with and keeping score of material inventions, is indicative of what ails us as a people. I can think of much more devastating indictments of a race than whether or not they have a proclivity for technical innovation, such as whether or not a people has sound principles, the strength to abide by them, or whether or not a people has strong family and group feeling. In these areas, sadly, it is the white race that seems to lag. We’re pretty much just high-tech barbarians fond of our trinkets and keeping up with the Joneses, and unless whites on mass can be persuaded to change their skewed priorities, we’re done as a race.