Review of Confessions of a Reluctant Hater

Matt Parrott

Confessions of a Reluctant Hater, by Greg JohnsonGreg Johnson is a radical, an elitist, perhaps even a dreaded “vanguardist”. He doesn’t waste what little patience he has on the myriad schemes concocted by White Advocates to compromise our goals, water down our message, or conceal our agenda. His debut book, Confessions of a Reluctant Hater, is ostensibly “some of [his] more introductory and topical essays and reviews, pieces that might be useful for people just beginning to explore White Nationalism.” While it makes progress toward that familiar objective, it stands out from the pack of primers by persuasively arguing our side without meeting the reader half way.

Dr. Johnson intuitively understands what it took me years to figure out: that bourgeoisie respectability and our survival are at this point integrally incompatible. In this inverted world where our opponents control every last institution which rewards “respect” and popular approval, one can either be respectable or honorable. One cannot be both. In the article, The Persecution of American Renaissance, he dismisses the the system’s legitimacy with the naked contempt it’s earned:

Whenever some Third World dictator cancels elections, shreds a constitution, or persecutes his political opponents, we all know what is happening. Given the choice between preserving the legitimacy of the system or preserving personal advantage, he chooses personal advantage and discards the props of legitimacy as just that: meaningless props.

America’s ruling establishment now faces a similar choice.

This article was in response to the first cancellation, with his thesis proving prescient in light of the exceedingly ham-fisted efforts to silence dissent the following year. Given the government’s declaration of a “state of emergency” in Memphis, the mayor’s meddling in Charlotte, and the flat refusal to pursue the leftist terrorists who made threats, the notion that our troubles are merely due to private venues exercising their right of association by refusing to do business with us can and should be dismissed as the “meaningless prop” that it is.

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Those who hold out hope that change can be wrought through working within the system will give up sooner or later, and Greg Johnson will be there for them when they come around. When they arrive, this “hater” will lull them even deeper into radicalism with the sobering reality that even universal appeals to reciprocal ethnic separatism and self-determination are unrealistic, unworkable, and insufficiently radical:

If the San Francisco bay area were turned into an Oriental enclave, I have no doubt that, after a brief and brutal spasm of ethnic cleansing, it would be controlled by the Chinese, and that in a matter of years it would become a huge Red Chinese colony and military base, complete with nuclear weapons, on the west coast of the North American continent. The Chinese would then be in a position to seize new territories either through nuclear blackmail or outright aggression.

If there were a New Israel on the North American continent (no doubt on the East Coast), it would lessen direct Jewish power over Whites, but it would not stop the Jews from broadcasting filth and promoting decadence among us. Furthermore, why provide the Jews with another sovereign territory from which they can plot their global swindles and to which they can flee when their victims rise up against them?

Finally, unless we located New Palestine right next door to New Israel, I would predict that the Jews of Israel would move en masse to New Israel, complete with their nuclear, biological, and chemical arsenals with which they could blackmail us. After all, New Israel would be far safer. The present Israel had to be wrested by force from its inhabitants, whereas under the New Israel scheme, the inhabitants of the US would take a portion of the continent conquered and civilized with the blood, brains, and brawn of their kinsmen, indeed one of the most valuable portions–and give it away to the Jews, who deserve anything but a reward for their parasitism and nation-wrecking.

A black ethnostate on the North American continent would quickly follow the course of every other black state. The civilization built by Whites would fall into ruin in the hands of blacks, who lack the intelligence, initiative, foresight, and moral character needed to create or sustain it.

Once ceded to Blacks, whole states of the defunct US would become a vast Detroit. Depending on where the borders would fall, we would see magnificent cities like Savannah, Charleston, and New Orleans turn into burnt-out wastelands. There would be chaos, slaughter, civil war.

Horrified and soft-hearted Whites would open their wallets to feed starving children and open their borders to pitiful refugees, and we would be right back where we started.

Eventually a dictator would emerge, a cannibal statesman like Idi Amin or Emperor Bokassa, who would become a natural ally of New Israel or the Red Chinese, or both, in putting the squeeze on Whitey.

A similar course would be followed by Aztlan. Southern California and the Southwest would become just like the other filthy, impoverished, corrupt, violent, backwards, Spanish-speaking, Mestizo nations in this hemisphere. Then its residents would sneak across the border into the White homeland looking for jobs and handouts.

Although in the long run, Aztlan’s interests would conflict with those of the Red Chinese, Blacks, and Jews, in the short run they would be natural allies in looting and dispossessing Whites.

And why wouldn’t they?

I don’t know why they wouldn’t. Separatism may be a part of the solution to our problems, but Johnson knows better than to see it as the panacea it’s often upheld to be. While this book is consistently written in an accessible manner suitable for the uninitiated reader, his biting wit is sure to pop every bubble of unwarranted optimism in his path. In response to an optimistic article by Pat Buchanan suggesting the Tea Party movement may save the Republic, he responds pointedly: “But I have read The Death of the West, so I know better.”

A couple weeks ago, I interviewed Greg Johnson on my weekly podcast, Radio Free Indiana, to discuss the book. While we covered several topics, he truly came alive when he tore into the Ron Paul phenomenon and the White Nationalists who’ve been swept up in it.


Greg Johnson is no “introductory” White Advocate and there are probably better books to hand to flat-footed persuadable friends and relatives. But serious and mature advocates who are struggling to arrive at the root causes and practical solutions will benefit immensely from Greg Johnson’s relentlessly skeptical and uncompromising perspective. I say “skeptical” instead of “cynical” advisedly, as he’s very much a “happy warrior”, one who can win a staring contest with the abyss of despair because he’s firmly rooted in the first principles of Europe’s nascent New Right. Even Racial Preservationism itself comes under his microscope in his vexatious article, Is Racial Purism Decadent?

This article is perhaps the very last one I would imagine offering to an uncle or co-worker to consider if I were attempting to persuade him to our position. It’s a devastating critique of the contemporary White Nationalist movement, one which pounds at the ideological foundations of our cause with a hammer and only offers a cursory nod in the general direction of progress after leaving the prevailing platitudes in ruins:

White nationalists love sobering facts, so let’s begin with one. The White nationalist movement, which seeks the salvation of nature’s fairest and most talented race, is less capable of motivating real world activity than Star Trek, a silly but entertaining set of movies and TV shows about multiracial and miscegenating liberals who live in Tupperware, dress in pajamas, and fly around the galaxy preaching high-minded, hypocritical twaddle about tolerance and pluralism and diversity.

Is White Nationalism Sexy and Forward-Looking?

Is White Nationalism Sexy and Forward-Looking?

Even if we correct for the differences in the size of audiences, Trekkies accomplish more in the real world than an equal number of White nationalists.

Why is that? It has nothing to do with idealism. Both movements are highly idealistic. It has everything to do with animal vitality. For all its silliness, there is something about Star Trek that motivates human action and creativity–that taps into pure animal vitality–better than White nationalism.

Present-day White nationalism is conservative: backward looking, devitalized, decadent, and gloomy. Star Trek is progressive: forward-looking, optimistic, and hopeful. (Nauseatingly so.)

With this in mind, ask yourself who is more likely to preserve the White race: (1) the present White nationalist movement, or (2) a group of kooks who, taking Tolkien as their bible, decide that through eugenics, they are going to mold every successive generation of their progeny closer to the archetype of the elves: the fairest and wisest race?

In essence, Doctor of Philosophy diagnoses the current movement with the terminal condition of lacking the animal vitality necessary to inspire progress. We are assuredly a cult of crypt keepers, and we assuredly fail to infect those around us with the right kind of enthusiasm. While few of us lack the clarity and sincerity necessary to admit we’re a band of disgruntled haters, Dr. Johnson steps up and confesses it. Confessions of a Reluctant Hater is an excellent and necessary read for pro-White intellectuals, but it leaves us with more difficult questions than we started with.

A follow-up is in order.

For a limited time, readers of The Occidental Observer can save 5% off the retail price of Confessions of a Reluctant Hater at Lighthouse Literature by using the coupon code TOO. Lighthouse Literature is hosting three free sample articles for the potential customer’s consideration. My radio show interview of him is available at Voice of Reason. While some of Greg Johnson‘s best articles are published at this site, one can find more of his articles and more articles from like-minded thinkers over at his Counter-Currents Publishing website.

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Matt Parrott is a pro-White community organizer.

248 Comments to "Review of Confessions of a Reluctant Hater"

  1. m_astera's Gravatar m_astera
    June 27, 2011 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    For the poster above wishing a better term than “elite”, try “parasite”. It gets the message across clearly and puts the shoe on the other foot.

  2. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 25, 2011 - 10:03 pm | Permalink

    We agree on this.

  3. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 24, 2011 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    I think we are on the same page generally. What do you think about the fact that so called equality, diversity, freedom, etc. has been associated with;
    The destruction of the nuclear family,
    The rise in homosexuality
    A rise in the rate of mental illness that the head of the World Health Organization called “astounding”
    These and other effects of “equality” have been, albeit indirectly, a war on children. Spiritually, economically, and physically.
    Perhaps if we focused less on what is going to happen tomorrow, and more on what is happening to kids right now, we might be more credible. Your thoughts?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 24, 2011 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

      Oh I agree totally. The whole concept of ‘equality’ has been corrupted. In the US, it originally meant equality before the law (mainly for adult White men). It didn’t mean that every last human being was equal in value or capability. And a lot of what is called “freedom” these days is just self-indulgence and perversion.

      I wouldn’t want to police every bit of bad behavior, but we don’t need to pretend that it’s healthy. And the attacks on the family may be the worst of all. The Left (led mainly by Jews) have targeted the family for destruction. It stands in the way of all their goals.

      And yes, the children bear the brunt of this pain. Illegitimacy is at an all time high (in the black community the majority of kids are born out of wedlock). We have robbed children of their right to be grow up in safe, supportive, structured environments with strong role models.

      Instead, they dabble in sex and drugs and have MTV for a father. Ok, I’m ranting but you get the idea.

  4. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 24, 2011 - 5:32 am | Permalink

    Re; legitimate research on the “holocaust” anyone questioning the number of Jews killed in WW11 is already deemed illigitimate by the “public” In fact it is illegal in many countries, especially germany. But we must ask ourselves why certain things that any child would question is so taboo and politically incorrect…and illegal.

    I can question the Holocaust in the same way that I question the worship of ones race above all else, even God, whether it be Jews or Nazis, who are like two brothers fighting for the favor of a parent, but in this case the parent (God) has bigger things to worry about.

    Everyone naturally thinks they are better than everyone else, but SAYING it turns people off. Thats why everyone in the history of the world has hated jews…because the jews themselves hate everyone who is not a jew. Sound familiar?

    I get what you are saying…I really do!

    The white man is his own worst enemy. If he stops hating long eneugh to critically examine his own false Gods, Gods which have lead him to the brink of extinction, he may yet survive.

    Whites and jews don’t need their own space because they are BETTER than others, but because everyone needs their own place! And until the white man gets that distinction he will continue to shoot himself in the foot, just as the jews are about to do. jmo

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 24, 2011 - 5:40 am | Permalink

      You’re right about it being illegal to question the holocaust in Europe and that itself is a crime. There should be no restrictions on free inquiry. I’m not bothered by you are anyone else questioning “the holocaust”. I’m not an expert on it, but common sense tells me that whatever happened has been blown way out of proportion at the very least. And demonization of the Germans follows the same pattern of demonization that every White group the Jews target are hit by.

      I’m just saying that some research by people who don’t identify themselves as Nazis would be helpful. I think picking up the high-minded theme of free speech and free inquiry would be a good way to attack the taboo of questioning events in Germany.

      And yes, the public already thinks questioning the holocaust is illegitimate, but we won’t begin to change that until the historians doing the reappraisals are non-Nazis, IMO.

  5. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    June 23, 2011 - 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Barring a major bloodletting (circa Russia 1918-1923), the best case scenario for this country is to end up turning into a judaized version of modern Brazil.
    Where a small euro elite is running affairs in a largely 3rd world cesspool of a country.
    From behind fenced in mansions; red light ignoring bulletproof limousines; machine gun toting security; and other symbols one usually tends to associate with a banana republic.
    Though future countrywide clashes between illegal pedros and local Afros on whose turf (literally and figuratively) the former are aggressively encroaching, should not be ruled out. Matter of fact, Southern Cal had witnessed multiple such incidents already.

    “Twelve states and the District of Columbia now have white populations below 50 percent among children under age 5 – Hawaii, California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, Maryland, Georgia, New Jersey, New York and Mississippi. That’s up from six states and the District of Columbia in 2000.”

  6. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 23, 2011 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    For what it’s worth, my gravitating to this site occurred after I’d woken up to the Holocaust. Once people figure out that manipulation, the penny drops on everything else. Those who do work in that area deserve all credit and support.

    • Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
      June 23, 2011 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

      FYI; The founder of the American Nazi Party, George Lincoln Rockwell, was a military attache’ or some such at the Nurhemburg Trials until he quit in disgust and founded the American Nazi Party. It seems he had a problem buying the SIX MILLION story also.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

      Any legitimate research of that period is useful and no one can doubt that certain events are widely exaggerated for propaganda purposes. However, when the person who questions the Holocaust also happens to be a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer, he tends to be rejected out of hand by the public.

      It’s like a hardcore Stalinist doing research that finds Old Uncle Joe was a good guy after all – it lacks credibility. What we need is research done by people who can claim a more objective stance.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 23, 2011 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

      Me, too.

  7. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 23, 2011 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Trading security for freedom is what got us into this mess.

    • Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
      June 23, 2011 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

      The point is well taken.
      I am tempted to ask “What security?” “What freedom?” but that would open up a whole new can of worms.

  8. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 23, 2011 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    To Henry Baxley:
    If you’ve not read it, I recommend Democracy: The God that failed.

    • Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
      June 23, 2011 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

      No I have not. I have heard about it. Thank you. I have read or purused, (It was already old news to me) “Whats wrong with Democracy, where the author compares American Democracy to Athenian Democracy and predicts a similar result.
      I am much encouraged to see some Academics are starting to speak out….The handwriting is on the wall, and the internet spells the end of those who would dictate everything we feel, think, and do!

  9. Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
    June 23, 2011 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Jason, you are right. Whites still think they have it very good. I myself live well, in a nice, safe neighborhood probably much like yours – where speaking of race to the “enlightened” is downright dirty to them.
    As long as white men are continually displaced by inferiors in leadership roles by this society, it will continue to decline and prove our point. I myself am preparing for it in a way that will help my 4 white children survive in the future third rate United States. The US decline cannot be arrested without a return to the white man’s total domination of every institution, public and private – the way it was when we were built up to the greatest nation on earth.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

      The US decline cannot be arrested without a return to the white man’s total domination of every institution, public and private

      Exactly right. And it may take a steep decline in living standards before Whites wake up. I do think at some point the sheer loss of competence in so many of our institutions will spark a backlash. But, it’s still unpredictable how White people will respond.

  10. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 23, 2011 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

    We can’t overestimate how beat down most White people are on the issue of race. They have been truly traumatized over the issue, usually from a very early age. Diversity training and inculcation of White Guilt start as early as Kindergarden, sometimes earlier. It was pretty bad when I was in school but it is worse now. The main topics in school these days?

    The Holocaust, Slavery and the Genocide of Native Americans – over 10 years of continuous hammering away at the evils of the White race, complete with homework and role playing exercises in class. By the time a White child is in his teens, he is squirming with guilt and has a deep fear of even talking about race issues. This is a huge problem.

    This is why I tend to think the retail approach to White Advocacy may be too early. When dealing with most Whites on race issues, we might should remember we are dealing with people who have the psychology of an abused dog. Think of how you can best rehabilitate that creature. Think of this poor dog the next time you imagine the White masses who have been whipped down through forced indoctrination.

    • Donald's Gravatar Donald
      June 23, 2011 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

      “The Holocaust, Slavery and the Genocide of Native Americans – over 10 years of continuous hammering away at the evils of the White race, complete with homework and role playing exercises in class.”

      This is the Anti-White Narrative, and no one needs to put up with it. There are textbook reviews and board meetings, and one on one meetings with the Superintendent and Board members.

      This is the campaign of defamation that we began to work against in 1989 (with some great successes I might add) while we looked for some type of White ADL, but there was none.

      Our leadership doesn’t understand that going after slurs, stereotypes, hate caricatures, and the Anti-White Narrative is one way of introducing the idea that the diverse white Americans have separate issues that they need resolved. That’s the thin edge of the wedge which enables us to model the white voice in a white centric way.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

      This is the Anti-White Narrative, and no one needs to put up with it. There are textbook reviews and board meetings, and one on one meetings with the Superintendent and Board members.

      If anyone has any influence on a school board, bringing up anti-White bias would be very useful. I believe a lot of the spiritual sickness we see in Whites is the result of them and their people being demonized at crucial periods in their development (school age).

    • Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
      June 27, 2011 - 1:25 am | Permalink

      @ Jason Speaks

      May I politely suggest that you pay close attention to the wordings Donald used?

      There is a big difference between going into a school board meeting and claiming about “anti-white bias”, and presenting what Donald calls the “Anti-White Narrative”.

      To learn more about how using the proper language when one is attacking the Anti-White Narrative and the havoc it’s wreaking on our people, as well as all about how to handle slurs, hate caricatures and stereotypes aimed at our people, pay a long visit to

      Once you’ve digested this syllabus on how to properly use language to attackback at anti-Whites, and perhaps learned some of the techniques available at, you will have graduated from spending too much time explaining and arguing about things to the converted, and be ready to ENGAGE IN WAR.

      We need more front-line warriors, and fewer back office philosophers.

  11. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 23, 2011 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Matt, Maybe I did not make myself clear. I am happy and we all should be happy that matters are getting to the breaking point. Happily we pick up the pen, the conversation with our negotiable whites, and ultimately the gun, if it comes to that.

    Things would be horrible if Nothing was happening out there. Europe is going to abandon the EU, their muslim/black tempest is coming to boiling point, and there is nothing teapotish about it.

    Great Times! You are lucky to be young enough to see the struggle through.
    The fight is nigh, and to complain that it isn’t moving fast enough is to betray a certain , well, youthfulness. We don’t get it All, and we don’t get it Now. We may not win, but I am optimistic that we will win and restore White Civilization.

    Unlike the Left’s march thru the institutions, we will march thru elections, economic hard times, street violence, possibly torched cities by the nigs, etc, and we will have the splendid opportunity to die fighting (after you have sired a couple or more kids…sorta lilke the Spartans) instead of wailing about how awful things are.

    Ripeness is All, that great King Lear line. Personally, I feel ripe. Younger folks probably do not feel that way, but with more years, they may get there.

    The Times are ripening for the great White Battle for racial
    and civilizational survival. Our main goal is not to get in the way of the White Revolt by posturing and arrogance and whining. Joe

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

      I live in a city that is less than 50% White, but I don’t see any signs of Whites waking up. Most of the Whites have moved to the suburbs but they have plenty of opportunities to bump into blacks, Hispanics and Asians. Meanwhile, there is some gentrification going on near downtown – Whites and Asians buying up old homes in formerly black neighborhoods and fixing them up.

      The point is, even though these people have negative experiences with non-Whites all day long, they just accept it. Maybe most Whites still have it too good, but from what I can see, very very few are even willing to discuss race issues. It strikes them as some kind of dirty talk.

  12. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 23, 2011 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    The liberty, Constitution and rights-oriented conservatives and libertarians here need to let these unworkable ideas go — for now. There is no point in discussing our hypothetical rights at this time. We don’t have the power to enforce them, and Jews and non-Whites don’t respect them. There is no evidence that they do or ever will.

  13. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 23, 2011 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

    At the risk of repeating myself, all the esoteric talk about spirit, and Meaning, etc. is not worth the effort for, at least, the short term. And the short term, next 10 or 15 years, is where we are at.

    Feeling, not Meaning, is what drives people. I recall a line from Giles Goat Boy, a novel I read years ago, an artefact from the 60s I think, “Seek and you shall keep on seeking.”

    Right now we got a mighty force of Negative Vision opening up to our people. They see it…100 million muds and Liberals opening the gates. Our people see that (if not seeing jews there too) and are mad as hell about it.
    A Great Positive Vision for Whites is not functionally needed right now.

    Maybe many of us WN types need to Feel more , after exhausting themselves with book after book, and endless blogging. Personally, I feel great. I have figured it all out now, got my kids going in the right direction, enjoy my people, especially children, enjoy our natural world, and am optimistic. Many of our WN folks, Feel pessimistic. Some of our WN folks are not aware of their personal psychological issues that drive their pessimism and irritations and even hatreds of one-another.

    Worried about civil war or breakdown of society? Don’t worry, it is good for you, and our people. Great things are arriving at our door. We got Progress, in its Negative manifestation going our way. The Great Reawakening will happen, not because of foundational literature but because ordinary folks Feel it coming.

    It is coming. Rejoice! When I was on the left, always an anti-communist, I never felt or thought that anything like a revolution was gonna happen. Today, the Counter-Revolution is in full swing, particularly in Europe, and it did not start with deBenoist or any other Thinker.

    Relax and keep smiling and keep fighting, talking, etc. Calm, Assertive, and Smiling, and no Apologies. Drive the jews crazy, outflank the muds, and love your people regardless of their intellectual and foundational development. They Feel it. Joe

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 23, 2011 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

      Joe Webb: “At the risk of repeating myself, all the esoteric talk about spirit, and Meaning, etc. is not worth the effort for, at least, the short term. And the short term, next 10 or 15 years, is where we are at.”

      I’m afraid you need to reconsider, Joe.

      As a school kid, you must have had a few fistfights (I know I did). I noticed very early on that in a tough fight, my ease of victory seemed to be related to whether I was right or wrong. Any initial doubt I might have regarding my own righteousness or self-worth was likely to work against me during the fight.

      On the other hand, if I knew I was right, I tended to win expeditiously even against what initially seemed to be poor odds. Noticing this, I wondered about the reason. And instead of thinking “Hey, when you’re right, God is on your side and it’s a cakewalk!”, here’s what I concluded: “Psychologically, my level of confidence and aggression are somehow related to moral conviction.”

      As any competent military officer can tell you, justification is critical to morale, and morale is critical to victory. It follows that we need justification…solid, logically valid justification that cannot be casually picked apart. Otherwise, we’ll never stop hearing the lame cop-outs enumerated above by Matt. Those arguments are what one hears from people with no solid conviction that they’re right, and a correspondingly low level of morale.

      Bear in mind that our most valuable allies obviously include our most intelligent allies, and their intellectual standards are higher than those of the average person. To pass their scrutiny, a justification will have to be highly sophisticated and above all logically sound. The more of them we convince, the stronger their examples will appear to less discerning people.

      Unfortunately, sociobiology alone won’t cut it – the fact that it applies equally well to lower species, which is a great scientific advantage, means that it lacks the ethical discrimination we require. Philosophically, it’s a no-go.

      This isn’t that hard to understand if you just put your mind to it. Having read some of your valuable contributions here, I’m quite sure you can grasp it if you want to.

  14. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    June 23, 2011 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

    ” People naturally coalesce into more or less homogeneous communities. Only legislative impediments bar this from occurring. ”

    yes , and there have been times when it was necessary to call in the military just to make ’em mix .
    You talk about turning the constitution upside down !

  15. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    June 23, 2011 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

    ” if the state passed a law requiring whites to leave a particular neighborhood, that would be horrible by libertarian stars.”

    Yes , but the state would have no power to legislate against all white communities .
    Freedom of association means you have the freedom to include and there for to exclude . Which is actually just one example of an arcticle of the American Constitution that has been manipulated in to the opposite of it’s freedom ensuring spirit and intention .

  16. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 23, 2011 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Americans have three false Gods that are leading them to destruction. Much the same as the Pied Piper of Hamlin led the children to their doom. They are; Democracy, Equality, and Diversity. The first leads to the other two as surely as A leads to B and C
    These three false Gods are fundamentally evil and will lead inexorably to the destruction of any who are conned into believing them.
    If you doubt this, just look at what Democracy has done for the average family. If you say “What average family?” you are starting to get a clue

  17. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 23, 2011 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    Trainspotter says:
    ” if the state passed a law requiring whites to leave a particular neighborhood, that would be horrible by libertarian stars.”

    The libertarian stance is that the state has no business telling people where they may live, black, white, Jew, whatever. People are free to arm themselves and defend both person and property. Free from state-forced association, and able to band together for protection without attracting the state’s anti-terror apparatus, I think the existential threat would be much less.

    People naturally coalesce into more or less homogeneous communities. Only legislative impediments bar this from occurring.

  18. Donald's Gravatar Donald
    June 23, 2011 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    Matt says, “The ideal outcome is that an approach will be devised and championed which captures the imaginations of millions of our people with an encompassing vision of a better future and a road map for arriving at it. They will then act on it with the same vigor that Marxists, Muslims, and Mormons fought for their own respective visions.”

    The key to arriving at our West Coast vision of white liberation will be to model conduct for newbies that demonstrates the white voice and white centricity. While the phrase “white liberation” might not stir millions, it might appeal to the 5% of our people we need to turn the situation around.

    White liberation is the vision, and the liberation envisioned is multi-faceted, e.g., freedom from taxes paid to support others around the world and here; freedom to walk outdoors after midnight; freedom to resist the anti-white narrative everywhere; freedom from screeching attackers at our institutions, colleges, and libraries; an organized legal team operating along similar lines of $PLC and ADL; social support for our families and children; and an opportunity to focus on space, the floors and currents of our seas, and the nature of the universe without the dragging down of squalling voices screaming imprecations that distract and demean us.

    And we need to abandon the “strategy” of what is called the infinite regress. This is a psychological tactic that continually pushes into the future what we want by calling up new problems like Majority Rights’ focus on “the morality of it all” which we seem to have imbibed throughout the Internet blogging world. There is no end to the ways at hand that are quickly grasped to delay dealing with what we want, and that is white liberation.


    • Donald's Gravatar Donald
      June 23, 2011 - 1:44 pm | Permalink

      Matt, you outlined six responses you have received from “people on the street.” But what matters is what you were trying to persuade them about, not what a few of them said back. If you went at them with the thick end of the wedge, e.g., Jews, then you are never going to get ahead.

      Have you tried your white voice combined with white centricity? Did you outline specific problems that affect white Americans differently from other groups, and solicit support for that particular cause?

      I am astonished at your saying, “Our people are so spiritually sick that they don’t see why they should carry on surviving or liberating themselves. Were that not the case, all these sociobiological factoids and logical appeals would connect with them, as they’re all predicated on the will to live of the target audience.”

      But that’s precisely the wrong way to approach individuals on the street. They don’t even have the vocabulary to talk about these things.

      Have you ever mentioned that white soldiers are dying disproportionately in the Asian wars? Or that white kids are dying disproportionately by meth abuse and addiction? There are very real social problems that need very real solutions that can introduce the white voice expressed in white centricity to move the agenda.

      We are not spiritually sick, we have been educated in our schools and by our media as to certain things, usually without solid factual background, but tackling the hardest issues first is probably going to add 10-20 years to melt 50 or more years of hate propaganda. Baby steps at first.

  19. June 23, 2011 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    A few days ago I replied to this article:

    It never appeared, I KNOW Dr MacDonald would NEVER censor my remarks so perhaps it got lost in the system somehow.

    What I said was what an outstanding appraisal of National Socialism Greg Johnson made, it was fresh and most illuminating.
    He does write so very well.

    YOU CANNOT SAY: “WELL DONE” to those who fraternize and assist THE ENEMY OF OUR RACE.

    Without the Self-Chosen, no Asian, no Latino, no African would be a problem today for any of the fast disappearing White homelands.

    Jared Taylor desecrated on AR in a vandalizing of positively semitic proportions, Stanley Hornbeck’s review of CoC.

    NO criticism of the Hive is allowed to penetrate the Semitic Moderator at AR. Thus angry Whites are led down a blind alley.

    In fact note that often the AR front page has more anti-Islam articles than what we face in America, namely Christian hordes, Mexicans, blacks, Guatemalans and so forth.

    Again that is the misdirection of Whites anger, to serve the purpose of the Hive.

    It is believed by observers that Mr Taylor’s wife is Jewish.

    While we believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH, unlike our opponents, Mr Taylor has also demonstrated that he too, like the ENEMY, does not.

    • Donald's Gravatar Donald
      June 23, 2011 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

      Matt, we wouldn’t dream of your pulling rank. We’ve been working on one slice of the situation since 1989 and have scored wonderful successes with the guidelines of using our white voice in a white centric way.

  20. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 23, 2011 - 8:50 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb speaks for me to some extent too. In addition to the writers he mentioned, we have material from Samuel Francis and William Pierce as well. Again, why are deeper foundations than that already at our disposal necessary? Especially when the enemy will doesn’t care about truth. logic, and merit. If Aristotle and Nietzsche returned from the grave to write a foundation theory for WNism, no one would care but us. Again, the enemy does not care about merit so what does it matter if their best philosophers can punch holes in it like a balloon. This isn’t a call for corn pone populism or anti-intellectualism; it is a suggestion that given the time we have available to us adequate foundation work has already been done by KMD, Taylor, Pierce and others, including Greg Johnson, and our best intellects should be figuring out ways to use what we already have.

    My question for Matt, Eurodele, Trainspotter and Greg, if any of you care to respond, is this: hypothetically, what is your ideal outcome? How do you imagine this process of new intellectual foundation work making a difference? If your is answer is in effect “I’m not sure but we need something,” I have to say in the spirit of friendly criticism that’s not an answer. Ideally, do you imagine a WNist intellectual writing an influential book like The Communist Manifesto or The Second Treatise of Civil Government? Describe your hypothetical ideal scenario for this new foundation work in concrete terms.

    I get that Jews for example have what might be called an overarching, unifying idea that motivates them (we are the chosen ones, etc.). It’s also an idea they have been operating under for millennia, and we don’t have millennia. I also get that problematic ideas like equality and individual rights will have to go at some point because they undermine hierarchy, tradition and place the individual over the collective. But again, these ideas have been in the West’s intellectual water table since the 17th / 18th century. There is not time to undo and replace them with the clock ticking IMO. The hour is late for trying to prepare an intellectual foundation to overturn 400 year old ideas.

    I would note also that Jews wrote their toxic critiques after they had acquired the elite positions in the West not before. They didn’t start with notion that they needed to create a foundation theory for subverting White civilization before starting the subversion. No, instead they went straight for the power positions in finance, culture and politics without much concern for deep foundations.

    • Sir Tristram's Gravatar Sir Tristram
      June 23, 2011 - 12:27 pm | Permalink

      “The hour is late for trying to prepare an intellectual foundation to overturn 400 year old ideas.”

      Perhaps you could recalibrate your frame of reference. The past 400 year block is just a blip on the radar of a more august planetary life, the final chapter in a cyclical evolutionary process. We don’t need to “prepare” a foundation to overcome this decadent upstart of Western civilization. This is the “fullness of time.” Right now.

      The Modern Age itself is the sand poured into the top. The foundation and Tradition that we should draw our strength from is much much older – the spiraling fortress of an ancestral memory that goes back thousands of years entwined within our DNA and available for contemporary resuscitation. We just need leaders who are able to tap the older channels, release the dam’s flow, and then ride the rush without getting overwhelmed.

      The Modern Age is nothing but a thrust block, a whetstone upon which we can sharpen ourselves to a hitherto unbelievable edge.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

      I might add that there is no real conflict between any of these approaches. If a “movement” has any chance of success it is usually quite multifaceted. It will have philosophers, activists, writers, organizers – all sorts of people.

      While it is true we have the works of KMD and many other researchers, they are not well known. Finding ways to expose more people to KMD should remain a priority. We have the means to bypass the university systems now and disseminate high quality information. And so the question is, who is the target audience right now?

      I would suggest it isn’t some random guy we meet on the street. He may “agree” with us just to make us go away. I have nodded and smiled at Lyndon LaRouche types, only to throw their pamphlets away as soon as they vanished. Most Americans do not like to be bothered by unsolicited political messages.

      In the language of marketing, we need “early adopters” – people who like new ideas and are influential in spreading them. One target audience would be more or less conservative Whites who have an interest in ideas and science. They are already concerned that they are “losing their country” – they just don’t know why.

      There are a lot of blogs like Steve Sailer’s that tap this market and they are growing. But the vast overwhelming majority of Whites have never heard of KMD or Sailer or Salter. At the moment, we need more honest, thoughtful people who can be early adopters. I suspect this is more realistic than hoping for any mass conversion.

  21. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 23, 2011 - 1:59 am | Permalink

    I campaigned against deBenoist a while back, “substituting myth for law,” and the other formulations presented back several posts, is just pure idiocy. This is the kind of Euro Philosophic Trash that I spent some time on bashing as leftover leftwing and jewish nihilism, cultural relativism, and pseudo-intellectual ego thrusting..

    Eurodele and Matt have not defined their transcendance, nor God. So it remains just rhetorical flourishes.

    Getting hyper abstract with claims about a “foundational” theory, etc. and complaining about why this was not done 50 years ago does not make sense.
    First, imho we already have a Foundation and that of course is socio-biology and the work of our own evolutionary psychologists, like KM, Lynn, Rushton, Bell Curve folks, and various books that are not foundational as in theory, but which present our recent history of decline like Robertson, Raspail, Michael Levin (Why Race Matters), Pat Buchanan, and the list goes on …to just now another good one, Taylor’s new book.

    “Philosophers” may demand that the WN project be worked out in detail, both in “foundation” and in What is to be Done, fashion. But politics is not philosophy. Revolutionaries are often caught flat-footed scribbling their latest Theories out while people are in the streets.

    If we do not have a foundation now, we never will. There are some wrinkles, or worse , to be worked out, most obviously, the trance of Libertarianism that holds individualistic Whites in thrall to liberalism and money, but that is all. What am I missing? Is it that some folks want God or Transcendance codified into our WN Manifesto? Just insist on “the rights of “personality” as AH did, and that enshrines enough individualism and free speech.

    Also, with regard to Greg’s 50 years ago, there were some folks who were alive to WN, like Robertson and a handful of paleos (sort of) and the more or less unreconstructed nazis, but that was a time in which the Greats of Madison Grant and Lathrop Stoddard had been exiled by the commiejews.

    When I went to college in the 60s, there was nothing that came across my path except Wilmore Kendall who showed up drunk at a talk at Cal about 1964 (and I told him he was drunk…did not lilke that..thems fighting words boy! he said. not very convincing character Then there was Bill Buckley as arrogant snob who I just wanted to punch in the face. The times then were cold-war, Cuba, and then Vietnam. Israel did not exist in the Cal poli sci dept for some reason…and then civil rights which seemed like a good idea at the time. The Bell Curve and Shockley and Jensen were barely showing up on my radar, and meanwhile Vietnam had me mesmerized. Then I went to work for family, etc.

    The point is that the Foundational Work began to appear, for ourselves in the late 20th C, only in the 80s and 90s. I came late also because
    of my leftwing family and Vietnam . Greg Johnson did not get turned around until about 10 years ago, and ditto myself. Many of us older folks had been liberals, like Jared Taylor. As for myself I do not think I was ever a liberal, just disappointed that I could not will the semi-peace and love world that I “philosophized.” So, never a liberal, proud of that.

    So, just as most of us older folks have come late to WN, and younger folks have come early, it is in large part because the foundational material, including socio-biology has been only lately well developed.

    Then, as I said before, Civil Rights seemed like a good idea in the 60s. Who knew any niggas? Not me, nor my then wife. We drove across the country for the 1963 March on Washington and MLK’s Dream. So over the following decades the Black Thang has revealed itself for us northerners. Ditto the rest of the country, or the North anyway. Now insult to injury come the Injuns from Mexico. all 50 million of them.

    Point: we do not need any more stinking philosophy, we got the foundation already laid. If it was any more complex, nobody would listen to us, and the rmaddened Whites would push us aside and march on, armed and dangerous, while we tried to shove leaflets of WN into their hands.

    The only foundational problem left is libertarianism, and part of its solution is for the older paleos who are addicted to it, to die off.

    I am not sorry for being so pig-headed. Enough of abstruse transcendental and esoteric spiritualists. We got a Myth already. The Myth creates itself as folks get a little factual info and a lot of in-their-face Experience.

    We are never going to convince any of the liberal whores servicing the Jews and the blacks and browns. Focus on the working and middle-class White people who have had it with blacks, mexers, liberals, muslims, and so on.

    I have thought about writing a new Ethics and Political Theory based on socio-biology, and it would be worthwhile for us, but it will never be a “Communist Manifesto” type revolutionary tract that fires up anybody except some of us.

    We have our Myth, we just have to keep presenting it with no apologies. Personally, I get lots of interest from folks when I present it with a smile, let them talk, and especially when I talk about kids, their kids, and their future.
    It is either curtains for the White race and the West, or we fight for a White future, the best future that any race can deliver. When I point this out to folks, they have to agree, and they also get a laugh when i comment on
    white generosity and trust…when extended to other races…we are chumps. Which race welcomes other races onto their soil? Which race saves the whales, the only race? That always gets a laugh. Which race has invented everything, is the most physically beautiful, abolished slavery, freed their women (men laugh when I joke about that one), came up with hippies, invented LIberalism? I point out that this White trust trait has been good for us while alone, but not with other races around. they get it immediately.

    We just need to become good polilticians, and follow the wave. The wave is building not because of us. Even if we were a hundred times larger, we would make no difference. Objective Conditions…the mantra of the Marxists…yup …are building our counter-revolutionary tsunami. We cannot do anything but prepare for it. Joe

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 23, 2011 - 9:52 am | Permalink

      Joe, you seem like a nuts-and-bolts kind of guy. I mean that in a good way.

      First, let’s get our definitions out of the way.

      Transcendence is an upward change in the level of thought, perception, or discourse associated with the relaxation of constraints binding the lower level, e.g., a conceptual framework or a perceptual domain. Technically, one simply moves from an object language L(U) with universe U to an inclusive metalanguage L*(U*), U* being a metaobject domain consisting of L-U couplings of first-order attributes to object-level arguments in U. I admit that description is a bit opaque, but tell us what you don’t understand about it, and perhaps I can help.

      God has been defined in many ways. Everything I’ve said applies to any and every meaningful (monotheistic) definition of God. Those happen to include: Creator of the Universe; the Greatest Being; the omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent Entity with authority over everything; the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost), and so on. I pointed out that any foundational philosophy capable of igniting the animal vitality of White people must contain this concept. It is up to you, if you desire further clarification, to tell us how YOU define God, thus enabling others to resolve points of confusion to your personal satisfaction.

      Now, here’s our present disagreement in a nutshell: you declared that any meaningful philosophy must be based on sociobiology. I observed that this is technically incorrect for the following easy-to-understand reason:

      Sociobiology is a science.

      The logico-philosophical foundations of science itself are still conspicuously absent.

      Therefore, science cannot possibly comprise a foundation unto itself.

      As far as the rest of your points are concerned – well, I’m mostly with you all the way, right up to the point at which you advise everybody to hitch their wagons to sociobiology as a fundamental “philosophy”. You’ve made some good observations, and have my respect for highlighting them.

      Peace. (And please don’t Taser me, bro!)

  22. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    June 22, 2011 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    @ JS

    Like as if it is big news that the jewish supremacists have been playing one nation/race against the other for practically all of history .
    How many wars in history has there been that did not have a kosher banker hand behind it ?

    I believe it is time that all races wake up and to see that they are being played and by whom . Then all races can go about agreeing that they prefer their own nations and to be ruled by their own leaders who are not corrupted by guess who ? Nationhood is the best and most natural global system and mutually beneficial for all . All races would agree to that .

  23. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    June 22, 2011 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I think that many people are mistakenly untrusting of other races by the fact that they are not taking in to account that the jewish puppeteers have been and are pulling the strings of these other nations / races ( blacks , mexis , chinese etc ) .
    If jewish influence over other races was not present , I believe that other nations would be interested in a mutually beneficial arrangement where we all keep strong fences and be good neighbours .
    And if I am wrong and any race would attempt to break this arrangement then a white nation would hopefully be strong enough to keep the arrangement for them .

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 22, 2011 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

      I think there is truth in that. The US and Mexico have shared a border for a long time, but the massive immigration/invasion didn’t really start until the last couple of generations. I can’t imagine tens of millions of Mexicans just walking into the US back in 1880 or 1925 or 1955.

      My grandparents said that any Mexicans caught hanging around after dark in their small Texas town would have been in trouble back in the day. So most definitely, the natural instincts of people have been squelched.

  24. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 22, 2011 - 9:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m not quite clear on the basic principles of the European New Right. Can someone provide a short encapsulation of what it’s beliefs are versus other ideologies? Can it be summed up in a few lines? I find this quote attributed to Alain de Benoist:

    “We want to substitute faith for law, mythos for logos… will for pure reason, the image for the concept, and home for exile”.

    Is that a good thumbnail description?

  25. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 22, 2011 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

    With regard to transcendent values, this is where art should play a major role. One of the functions of art is to provide common reference points and ideals that bind a society together.

    The works of Michelangelo glorifies Man in general to be sure, but it is basically White/European Man that he portrays. The art of Ancient Greece and the Renaissance are deeply uplifting for most people, giving them a sense of pride in themselves and their culture. If a man truly appreciates these works of genius, he will be protective of the culture and the people that made them possible.

    On an everyday level, Westerns once provided a common cultural glue for Whites to understand themselves and a lens with which to view events through. Even science fiction gave us a vision that was only possible for a forward looking White culture.

    It is no accident that those who wish to destroy us, have been busy subverting our art.

  26. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    June 22, 2011 - 8:33 pm | Permalink

    The last great white hope Michelle Bachmann whose primary claim to fame has to do with having copyrighted the Startled Owl™ look, had co-sponsored H.R. 271 (brewed up in the bowels of AIPAC) which re-affirms America’s pledge to continue to provide the only kosher democracy in the Middle-East with free weapons and supplies. Additionally, expressing support for any which way said kosher democracy chooses to neutralize “Iranian nuclear threat”.
    Iran possesses neither nukes, nor know-know for integrating them into a warhead nor – most importantly – adequate delivery system.
    But you wouldn’t know that by having the televitz serve your daily news.
    On a different occasion, Ms. Bachmann had also shared with her Jewish readers how during the months of summer she’d spend her time on a kibbutz while away from college.

    • Felix Grubel's Gravatar Felix Grubel
      June 23, 2011 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

      But for having a slightly higher IQ and v____a, Ms. Bachmann is nothing more than Dubya in a pant suit.

  27. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 22, 2011 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    The more advanced discussions are great, but do the posters here realize that much more remedial work is needed for the general White population? Please remember, the average White person is not like the average TOO reader. This is what Whites still need to learn:

    1. Race is a valid concept. Whites have been taught race is an arbitrary construct, a throwback to caveman thinking. If we don’t get that point across, nothing else will matter. If Whites do get that point, then half the battle is won.

    2. Human beings vary in intelligence and behavioral traits largely due to genetics. At least half the difference is due to genetics.

    3. There is nothing for Whites to feel uniquely guilty over with regard to their history. Human life has been an endless war since the beginning of time. Mayans, Chinese, Africans and Arabs have all been as brutal as Whites – actually more so. In fact, it is only recently that rates of violence have come down, mainly due to the influence of White Western Civilization.

    4. The traits that White people love, including our friends the SWPLs, require a largely (if not exclusively) White population in order to flourish.

    5. It is primarily Jewish activists who have spearheaded the attacks on America, Europe and White culture in general. The Tea Party types need to learn that it is Jews who are primarily working against the values they cherish.

    5. Examining Jewish influence is a valid exercise. It was Jews who pioneered the critique of White culture, so turnabout is fair play. Jews, as a population, have certain behavioral traits – some genetic, some cultural – that bring them into conflict with the larger White populations in which they live.

    While we all know this, only a tiny fraction of the general population is aware of it. If a sufficient number of Whites fully understand the above points, then change will begin. We will see opportunities that we couldn’t even imagine.

    And it doesn’t require a majority of Whites to get it, just a highly motivated minority.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 23, 2011 - 1:38 am | Permalink

      -Number 1 becomes self-evident via the “Southern California” experience and white-minority settings in general. In this context one quickly sees that race is not only important, but all important as ethnic members stick to their own enclave in order to maximize oppurtunity and minimize security threats. Also I would add to your list, the diversity myth. Of course the idea of diversity as a strength is ridiculous since ethnic in-groups shun outsiders, never allowing true access to differing skin tones. Therefore multi-race environments produce low social capital outcomes for their residents and in reality, are burdens to the governments who house them.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 23, 2011 - 1:55 am | Permalink

      Yes, diversity does cause problems and there are academic studies to support that conclusion (by Robert Putnam and others). It’s amazing to me that this work got published in the current environment, but it did. In fact, there are many studies worldwide that come to the same conclusion. This is important to remember for those that think there is no point in doing work within the system. Despite what we may think, scientific studies that support our case do get published.

      As trust goes down, people are less happy and people don’t want to make sacrifices for the common good anymore. Diversity loving Leftists haven’t figured out how to counter this yet. At least in online debates, it usually makes them back down.

  28. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 22, 2011 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    “They fetishize markets, they worship false gods.”

    Freedom is slavery!

    • Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
      June 22, 2011 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

      Trenchant: “Freedom is slavery!”

      Ah, sweet irony.

      Let’s instead work for the purist libertarian “freedom” to be swamped by statist third worlders, to have our people raped and murdered, to be ethnically cleansed from our own neighborhoods. After all, if the state passed a law requiring whites to leave a particular neighborhood, that would be horrible by libertarian stars. But if the non-whites accomplish the same thing by simply making the place unlivable for whites, then libertarians think it’s just peachy keen. Then it was “voluntary.” Talk to the people who have been driven out, and they can let you know how “voluntary” it was. Not that this will faze a purist, as he prefers pretty fiction over anything resembling reality.

      The libertarian mindset: if the state passes a law to create a certain outcome…horror of horrors. Outrage. Jack boots. Totally unacceptable.

      However, if anti-white groups – working in concert – use their control of the media, corporations, (or any system institutions)or just demographic and cultural intimidation to achieve the exact same outcome, the same libertarian finds himself in tears of rapturous joy. What a wonderful, beautiful, voluntary result. Freedom!!!!!!

      Pass a law to reduce whites to minority status, and the libertarian would have a problem. Use non-governmental institutions to accomplish the same thing, and suppress any who dissent? Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!


      Milton Friedman commented that, beginning in the 80’s, he started meeting a type of person that he had never met before: dumb libertarians. I wonder what he would think of the caliber of the modern libertarian movement? I know what I think: it’s pitiful.

  29. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    June 22, 2011 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Greg Johnson: “I see your point LEW, but somebody needs to take care of the deep foundational issues or we will make the same damned mistakes over and over again.”


    I’d also point out that it’s easy for whites living in our current Dark Age to forget just how much pro-white activism there has been since World War II. We had the Dixiecrats back in 1948 who managed to carry any number of states. We had massive resistance, George Wallace (who also carried multiple states), widespread Citizen’s Councils, etc.

    Point is, a lot of people did a lot of work, at least purportedly on behalf of whites, and all of it came to precisely, exactly nothing. Zilch. Nada. Zero.

    Phenomenal amounts of energy, and a not inconsequential amount of money, entirely wasted. This at a time when whites still had a few friends in high places.

    Now we survey the wreckage, and anti-whites are in control of every single institution of any importance in the entire country. Not one holder of major office in the entire nation will acknowledge so much as our right to exist as a people. Not one.

    But the damage is not just apparent in terms of distant, insular “institutions.” All one has to do is walk outside his front door to witness the destruction of our people. It’s pitiful.

    The failures of the past must not be repeated. We are now running out of time, and this is leading to a paradox. On the one hand, it is frustrating to many people (and understandably so) that much of what they are seeing is “just” intellectual foundational work. On the other hand, the past speaks to us clearly: without that foundational work, even massive movements go precisely nowhere.

    The earlier movements all failed because they were essentially conservative. They didn’t think in terms of a white homeland, in which our people would control all institutions, all levers of power, thereby be able to control our own destiny. Instead, they accepted as a given a land in which Jews increasingly commanded the heights of power, with plenty of non-whites to provide votes and muscle. Yet somehow they imagined that their enemies would just leave them alone. Amazing. Yeah, those that despise us, those that have every interest to work against us – let’s accept them as fellow citizens and hope they’ll suddenly decide to leave us alone. Good luck with that.

    In our own day, we see this happening as well, though not with an explicitly pro-white group. Of course I speak of the Tea Party. Lacking a coherent worldview and clear loyalties, the Tea Partiers have been easy marks for misdirection, subversion and neutralizing. The Tea Party types are fine with non-whites, as long as they are “legal.” In other words, they are fine with the country continuing to fill with the very types of people who…wait for it… oppose the Tea Party. Mestizos and blacks (and most other non-white groups, for that matter) support fully funded government programs and government spending, and they aren’t terribly interested in protecting the crusty old “rights” of whites. They don’t give a fig about the debt, as long as they are disproportionately benefiting from government spending.

    But sure, let the country continue to fill up with them. Let the ballot box continue to be demographically stuffed. Never acknowledge that we are a particular people with particular interests. Just accept the status quo which is completely stacked against you, but somehow you expect to win, despite all historical evidence to the contrary. It is to laugh.

    This thread is itself a testament to our desperate need for a solid foundation. Even on TOO, we see commenters with loyalties and worldviews all over the place. Some seem to have more, or at least as much loyalty to the free market as to our own people (I say this as a former libertarian, in love as I was with an idea).

    That’s a terrible mistake. It is likely true that the future white homeland will have a fairly free market, for the simple reason that an honest market based on legitimate productivity and wealth creation is probably best for our particular people – white people. We can handle a good deal of freedom, and as a people we have a lot of creativity that freedom tends to unleash. But we should always remember that our people come first. The market is not loyal to our people, and we owe no loyalty to it. We will have a free market exactly and precisely up to the point where it is conducive for our people’s long term survival. Not more than that out of some misguided affection for something that has zero love for you. Unrequited love is a b**ch, and we’ve got to stop indulging in it.

    This same basic approach applies to other sources of conflicting loyalties noted here. For example, it is probably true that the future white homeland(s) (hopefully including all of our ancient homelands as well) will in many ways be “conservative,” especially in the sense of promoting values and virtues consistent with stable families and keeping the collective cradle full. But conservatism itself will not win us our lands back, and we owe no loyalty to it per se. We should be “conservative” precisely up to the point where it benefits our people, and not a whit more. Same thing with liberalism, or any other “ism” that is rattling around in the fevered imaginations of those who love an idea more than their own people.

    Point is, so called white nationalists are still all over the place in terms of their loyalties. They fetishize markets, they worship false gods.

    This makes many of them easy marks for Ron Paul, or whoever the flavor of the month is. Instead, white nationalists need to develop a sense of themselves, a clear and coherent worldview including who we are and where our loyalties lie, and ultimately gain some self-respect. I realize it is frustrating with the clock ticking at all, but until the foundational work reaches a decent level of maturity, we aren’t going anywhere…and even if we did it would just be another dead end. Haven’t we all seen that movie before?

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 23, 2011 - 1:47 pm | Permalink


      Your comment that was posted yesterday, at 8:37 PM, was one of the best in response to this article and the reactions to it. What you wrote was levelheaded and thought-provoking, and it was put very well.

      We need more of such comments at this site, as they invite people from across the political spectrum to think.

      Anyway, thanks.

    • June 23, 2011 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

      @ Trainspotter, Your comment that was posted yesterday, at 8:37 PM, was one of the best in response to this article – Mark Hess

      So good was Trains’ comment that I’ve just opened an independent thread on it.

      @ “We are not spiritually sick” – Donald responding to Parrott

      So monstrously sick we are that we deserve a punishment of biblical proportions. Just compare the healthy films of the 1940s thru the early 60’s with the degenerate Gomorrhean culture (“cosmic America”) of today. Anyway, Henry Baxley responded already in this thread with his observations about the average Western family.

  30. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    June 22, 2011 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m a White (European American) Jew hating Libertarian.. who wants to live in a FREE WHITE COUNTRY.. Did I come to the wrong place? What exactly are we working here for? Can someone please restate once again what are the principle values here at OO?? I really like to know.. Can we have a free White country without the Jews and the rest in it?? Is that possible? Am I a dreamer? Am I the only one?

    Instead of spending all our time arguing about how we are going to carve up the bear’s skin, how are we going to divide it, who gets what, etc.. We really need to spend some more time thinking how we are going to kill the bear first.. Nobody is going to get squat as long as the bear is still alive..

    Why not focus more on how to remove Jews from power, and once we are successful, we can then argue what type of system )society) we will have.. Lets concentrate on things that we agree on.. like we all agree that Jews are the problem and they have to go! Let that be the starting point..

    • J. Winthrop II's Gravatar J. Winthrop II
      June 22, 2011 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

      I’m a White (European American) Jew hating Libertarian.. who wants to live in a FREE WHITE COUNTRY.. Did I come to the wrong place? What exactly are we working here for? Can someone please restate once again what are the principle values here at OO?? I really like to know.. Can we have a free White country without the Jews and the rest in it?? Is that possible?

      In a word, no, if you mean a libertarian country. Libertarianism can’t be reconciled with White nationalism. There’s no libertarian way to expel the Jews from their vast holdings of property in the United States, and no libertarian way of keeping them out even if they weren’t already entrenched.

      But if you want a free country like the United States from the founding until 1965, a relatively free market nation with a pro-White immigration policy and nationalist tariffs then you’ve come to the right place.

    • Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
      June 22, 2011 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

      Facio, I think my recent and quite lengthy post answers some of your questions, but I’ll address a few other issues here.

      Facio: “I’m a White (European American) Jew hating Libertarian.. who wants to live in a FREE WHITE COUNTRY.. Did I come to the wrong place?”

      As a former libertarian, I don’t think you’ve come to the wrong place (I speak of white nationalism generally, obviously I don’t speak for TOO). Of course, establishing a homeland in the first place is likely to involve massive violation of “rights.” But let’s look beyond the initial conflict stage to when the dust has settled.

      Whites are the only people who provide the context in which meaningful liberty can thrive. The non-whites, as a whole, aren’t interested in liberty in the sense that you and I would understand it. And let’s face it, whites are simply our people. One of the “aha” moments that influenced me away from libertarian purism is when I realized that the quality and type of people around you is far more important than whether a given tax or regulation exists. Black or mestizo areas simply aren’t attractive to me, and I don’t feel “free” in them, regardless of whether they have a lower tax rate or not. Put simply, race is more important than tax rates in terms of quality of life.

      Therefore, while liberty can be a very nice thing, our people come first. If there is a conflict between our people and some abstract notion of liberty, then our people must win. If you care about an abstract notion of liberty more than your own people, and I hope that’s not the case, perhaps you HAVE come to the wrong place. We can’t fetishize these things, after all. For instance, claiming (as purist libertarians do) that wealthy corporations have the inherent “liberty” to debase our culture is, in my view, ridiculous. That’s not liberty, it’s simply corporate domination of the culture, a culture that rightfully belongs, dare I say it, collectively to our folk.

      Honestly, I think white nationalism is something of a two edged sword for hardcore libertarians. On the one hand, it would remove from society the groups that are most harmful to liberty – Jews and non-whites. We wouldn’t have hostile and alien groups pursuing confiscatory wealth transfers, not to mention the myriad laws designed to repeal reality (blacks aren’t performing as well as whites? Solution: massive government interference and suppression of liberty in virtually every area of our lives.)

      Not to mention the meat and potatoes “unoffical” liberty: the freedom to be truly secure in your property to the point that you don’t have to lock your doors, the freedom to walk down the street at night in full confidence that you are secure in your person, and having the same feeling of security about your loved ones. Can you imagine a world in which parents didn’t have to constantly monitor their children 24/7, raising them much as caged veal?

      Such a world actually existed, and not that long ago. When I consider the level of actual freedom that I enjoyed as a child, compared to the lives of my very young nieces and nephews of today, it’s no contest. I was a hundred times freer, and that’s a conservative estimate.

      We would need fewer police, and less snooping. Most white communities probably wouldn’t need much more than an Andy Griffith/Barney Fife team to maintain the peace. I think that would be pretty nice, and I suspect most libertarians would agree.

      On the other hand, there are some things that would be obviously good in the minds of any normal person, but would offend purist libertarians. For example, what if the public schools…were actually good? What if they worked well enough that people were legitimately proud of them? In a white nationalist society, that would almost certainly be the case. And what if public parks weren’t simply depressing places where blacks and mestizos make life unpleasant, spreading trash and assorted vile behavior, but instead appealing places for all ages? I could continue by mentioning walkable communities, high quality public transit, etc. Point is, all of these things don’t have to suck. In a white society, they could be very attractive and appealing. So, yes, the purist libertarian would have to endure the burden that in a white homeland the public realm might actually be attractive, civic institutions might actually work fairly well, and therefore the white citizenry might be more likely to support these things than is the case today. They might have to endure higher levels of trust and civic mindedness. Horror of horrors!

      And then, depending on circumstances, there would likely be a draft. I personally like the Swiss militia concept, but it is still a draft, and therefore anathema to purists. I’m willing to discard purism in favor of the concept that every man should be capable of defending his people, his community, his family and himself.

      The long and the short of it is that we will almost certainly have a far freer society than we do now, with the added benefit that the public realm – anathema as it is to purists – will likely also work well. Most normal whites would love such an outcome, but libertarian purists will grouse.

      Of course, if they ever got their purist libertarian utopia, their nutty adherence to a ridiculous doctrine would lead them to be swamped with statist third worlders in all of about fifteen minutes, thus overwhelming their utopia with breathtaking speed, so is there really any point in taking the hardcore libertarians seriously? They can’t win, and even if they did, they would almost immediately snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Such types have absolutely no interest in reality, and have become slaves to an idea.

  31. Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
    June 22, 2011 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Kevin MacDonald I already know there’s a problem, but what we need are solutions.

    If what’s on offer is essentially well-honed negativity, I’ve got no use for that. If I was willing to spend money for nothing, I’d still be better off devoting my time and shelf space to classic authors who are better stylists and will instruct me or remind me about human nature while keeping my spirits up.

    If what’s on offer is foundations, first I want to see professional qualifications in philosophy, and second I want those foundations Hitler-free. Sympathy for the H-man is right out. So is “Aryan” talk as I think that just sets up harmful conflict between Aryans, Celts, Latins, Slavs and the blended White race(s) of America.

    What else have you got?

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 22, 2011 - 11:44 pm | Permalink

      “Professional qualifications in philosophy”?

      In other words, by way of qualification for the production of philosophical insight helpful to Whites, you want to see little scraps of colorfully decorated paper mainly issued by Jewish academics to those who dutifully kiss their White-hating patooties while feeding them tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege?

      I have a deal for you. Get us any “professional philosopher” from any major academic institution, preferably one with plenty of snob appeal (Oxford, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, etc.). Make sure he’s the very best you can find. Tell him we’re having an anonymous debate in a neutral forum regarding foundational issues in science and mathematics. Tell him that if he likes, he can bring a friend…no, make that two friends.

      Then put them in with me alone and watch what happens. After the debate, we’ll take a vote regarding who came out on top. I can give you pretty good odds that it won’t be the academic(s).

      Don’t believe it? Then why don’t you try it?

    • Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
      June 23, 2011 - 7:12 am | Permalink

      I’d like the little scrap of paper, yes. It’s not mandatory. But credentials are a positive.

      I think philosophy is harder than it looks. I think people kid themselves about how well-founded and securely defended their beliefs are. Evidence that a person who claims to be providing deep foundations is better qualified than most to provide them would be a bonus.

      In the great age of castles, an important phase of a siege was when the attacker would thoroughly survey the castle, looking for weaknesses, looking for parts that weren’t mutually supporting, looking for places an attacker could get to work undermining a wall or breaking down an exposed corner with minimal or no counter-fire from the battlements. From time to time the architect of the castle would be found to have goofed, and that would be it for the defenders.

      I don’t wish to inhabit such an intellectual castle on the issue of race.

      That doesn’t mean, “no credentials = there must be a blunder somewhere”. Absolutely not. But like anybody, I’ll take all the assurance I can get.

      Or, if the point is not to provide reliable foundations that will hold up under intense, skilled and sustained hostile scrutiny, if the goods to be delivered are something else, what is that something else?

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 23, 2011 - 8:58 am | Permalink

      I don’t mean to seem impertinent, but perhaps you’re a little confused.

      Philosophy is about philosophical content. Academic credentials, on the other hand, are about paying one of the fine Jewish-controlled indoctrination mills of academia anywhere between 25-250 thousand dollars for what is now known to be, in the large majority of cases, a very poor education.

      If you can’t understand the philosophical content in a set of remarks, then what makes you think that a faceful of credentials will suddenly peel the scales from your eyes? In fact, given the notorious state of academic philosophy (barren and useless by nearly all accounts), academic credentials now carry negative philosophical import. (This wouldn’t be any surprise at all to, e.g., the ancient Greek philosophers, very few of whom had college degrees, but all of whom were vastly superior in profundity of insight to the typical modern academic.)

      The difference we’re talking about here is just that between a valid philosophical argument, and an argument from authority. Do you understand this distinction? A real philosopher says “Here’s my argument. Any questions?” An academic hack says “Here are my credentials. Don’t they just have ‘philosopher’ written all over them, and aren’t I quite the little genius?”

      Stick to content. That’s what forums like this one are supposed to be about.

  32. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    June 22, 2011 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Tommy: “Because ripping into Ron Paul and then making the statement that you need his supporters to give you money, is well, intellectually dishonest.”

    Why is it intellectually dishonest? I don’t think Greg has made any bones about the fact that he would rather have donations flow to white nationalist causes as opposed to Ron Paul. There is nothing dishonest about that, it’s simply a question of competing for resources. Do we want libertarianism to make progress, or white nationalism? Resources are scarce, something that even a libertarian purist should easily understand.

    Tommy: “I agree with some aspects of your Ron Paul critique, but was dissappointed that your end game was money rather than an honest pursuit of strategies that can assist white people in our darkest hour.”

    Don’t get so hung up on “money.” Money is simply a resource, something that all successful movements require. It really is a question of who gets the resources, white nationalism or competing groups? Libertarians provide libertarian groups with resources. Liberals provide liberal groups with resources. Mainstream conservatives provide mainstream conservative groups with resources. And so it goes. So why, pray tell, is it so controversial for white nationalist dollars (and other resources) to flow toward, well, white nationalism?

    I say all of this as one of the fools that contributed to Ron Paul back in 2008. Never again. That money should have gone toward sites like TOO or Counter-Currents, toward people or groups who effectively make our case. Ron Paul doesn’t need my money. Effective white nationalists do. He is not cash starved, white nationalism is. I believe Greg has asked before, if we don’t look after ourselves, who will? Nobody.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 23, 2011 - 1:02 am | Permalink

      Trainspotter I didn’t mean to bring this up but……
      1.) Let’s assume I’m a college graduate, at least. Explain to me why I should give my hard-earned money(especially during these trying times) to Greg Johnson when he….
      1.) Hasn’t outlined how the money will be used to further the cause. What is the cause and how come I’ve never heard of it until reading this article?LOL
      2.) If Greg hasn’t been able to expand the readership already, why give him more cash? Paradoxically, Greg laments over small readership and small monetary contributions to his site while branding himself an important part of the “movement.” Using basic logic, if he were so important, would that not be reflected in high readership and contributions to his site?
      -In conclusion, I would be willing to contribute money to any cause that would set out to defend white interests through the legal system. MacDonald has exposed the enemy, now we need to strategize in order to defend ourselves. We have the moral highground. When whites are able to mimic the ADL paradigm and call a white organization represented by a warmhearted white person who will listen to their concerns and defend the honor of whites by way of lawsuits in prototypical ADL fashion, then I would know we’re on the right track. But Greg’s main focus seems to be answering which political system should be put into place as if we’ve already fn’ing won!! —REally, whites are being attacked in a multiplicity of ways and these geniuses are talking about some abstract dream world where we’ve already achieved victory and are faced only with the problem of, now what?
      -Why not work towards a legal defense team? Why not mirror the tribe in how we defend ourselves? Why not come up with strategies that defend whites at an organic, street level? I would gladly give you money to reach these goals. Recruits come when they know you are WORKING FOR THEIR GOOD! Throughout my college days I always wondered how whites could be trashed so harshly and why it was ostensibly illegal for us to come together as “white students.” Yet the ADL does just that but we can’t duplicate this tactic? Does majority status mean we are somehow beyond equality in regard to protection? That makes us different to the extent that we cannot produce a white legal team that looks out for white interests? How can the SPLC sue the creators of white supremacist propaganda when a white kills a black, yet black rap music is never indicted when a black rapes, robs and kills whitey in precise gangast-rap fashion?–Wasn’t the rapper “common” just honored by Obama even though Common made anti-white remarks? *case and point* The Duke Rape case would have been stopped in its tracks if said organization existed.
      -Also didnt Mac Donald observe that the SPLC is heavily funded? Gee I wonder why? Probably because the tribe knows the importance of the ADL in its keen ability to ruin lives via lawsuits. How can any pro-white argument, at this stage in the game, not have the white legal defense topic highlighted in vegas lights?
      -I stand for strategy that will protect. You may not be interested in strategy, but strategy is interested in you.
      Leon Trotsky

    • Donald's Gravatar Donald
      June 23, 2011 - 9:03 am | Permalink

      Tommy G says, in part, “…we need to strategize in order to defend ourselves. We have the moral high ground.”

      On the West Coast, we have discovered and implemented a way of winning this battle of words. It’s not complicated, it just involves speaking up about the anti-white narrative that surrounds us, and call it that in our white voice and in a white centric way. It’s the white centricity that is the big stumbling block for most white activists.

      No need to blush or flinch when one of the adversaries’ playing cards are thrown down in front of us any more. The only thing in the Gunnz quote above we might reject would be the idea of defense. Once you master the techniques embodied in rejecting the anti-white narrative, you won’t need to be defensive at all.

      While this will be a handy skill set for any of our warriors, it does not accomplish the other goals of (a) an ADL and legal team for us and (b) the ability to garner allies in our quests. Those are yet to come.

      White centricity and rejecting the anti-white narrative are the threads to get going on white liberation.

  33. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 22, 2011 - 2:34 pm | Permalink


    Thanks for the explanations. I certainly wish you both well and hope you are able to achieve your goals. The problem I perceive with all of this deep theoretical and foundation work has to do with time constraints. The ontology work at MR, Greg’s cultural kulturkamph and all of these other projects geared toward fomenting a fundamental intellectual, cultural and/or spiritual revolution might take years, decades or even centuries to have an impact. And we are facing genocide within the same time frame.

    • June 22, 2011 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

      I see your point LEW, but somebody needs to take care of the deep foundational issues or we will make the same damned mistakes over and over again.

      Yes, if present trends continue, we are facing genocide. We are like frogs in a slowly boiling pot. If the stove continues to work, then we are definitely cooked.

      But everything we know indicates that the system is unstable and present trends will not be able to continue. Now, when the system does crack up, whites will have a fighting chance again.

      I wish that our movement had gotten serious 50 years ago and worked on the foundational intellectual and cultural questions again, instead of wasting so much time on movement conservatism and populist buffoonery. Then we would be much better positioned for the crackup.

      But that is no argument for being sloppy and pragmatic now. It is an argument for doubling our efforts on the foundational questions.

      We need to go from the cooking pot to a mighty fortress that will preserve our race and get us back on the path to greatness. If the pot is upset before the fortress is complete, we will just have to pitch a tent for a while. But by the same token, it would be folly to stop working on Valhalla and invest everything in tents.

    • June 22, 2011 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

      The problem I perceive with all of this deep theoretical and foundation work has to do with time constraints.

      I fully agree, which is why I join you in demanding that Greg work harder and faster.

    • Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
      June 22, 2011 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

      Why this useless philosophical hair-splitting while you simply can appeal to the RIGHT TO LIVE ,which is so obvious that nobody can deny it?Just as an individual has the RIGHT TO LIVE so has a people.And just as for an individual in order to live certain conditions must be met, so for a people,the most fundamental being the possession of an EXCLUSIVE TERRITORY.Simple as that.

    • Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
      June 23, 2011 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

      Matt Parrott: “Later this week, go outside and try that argument in the real world. I wouldn’t have believed myself either before I tried it. For some reason, White folks have in their heads that they really don’t have a right or reason to carry on existing.”

      This is true, as I’ve found also (in Australia). It frightens me.

      Matt Parrott: “That sort of epic civilizational death wish is illogical, and you have to swim beyond the confines of logic and sensible talking points to reach them. It’s a spiritual sickness which necessitates a spiritual cure.”

      The trouble is, returning people to Christianity doesn’t work, as Christianity has no place for Whites either. (If Jesus had said, instead of “salvation is from the Jews”, “salvation is from the Whites…” But he didn’t.) We have, collectively, no place in the scheme of salvation. Nothing is promised us as us. There is no Holy Land for us. There is not a square inch of land or a year of time we are entitled to.

    • Scooter's Gravatar Scooter
      June 23, 2011 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

      I believe you misinterpret Jesus. When he said “salvation is from the jews” Jesus meant salvation is salvation from the jews, not that they provided it, but that they were preventing it. So by accepting salvation, you need not worry about the jews anymore. Christianity frees us from jewish tyranny.

  34. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 22, 2011 - 1:07 pm | Permalink


    Just to clarify, it was not my intent to trivialize your work by using the word musings. You obviously have substantial knowledge in this area. That said, I’m actually well read in Western philosophy from Thales of Miletus and the other pre-Socratics to Michele Foucault and I know about Hume and the problem of induction. What exactly is the problem you perceive and what is the problem you are trying to solve?

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 22, 2011 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

      Lew: “I know about Hume and the problem of induction. What exactly is the problem you perceive and what is the problem you are trying to solve?”

      The problem, obviously, is providing the efforts of the White race to protect and preserve itself with a conceptual foundation that neither peters out beyond a certain level of conceptual depth, nor invites its critics to puncture it like a toy balloon in order to keep on destroying everything that we all hold dear.

      The main problems with founding a philosophy entirely on relatively new fields of science like sociobiology and evolutionary psychology is that science as a whole is subject to the limitations of empirical induction (and other difficulties), and that this particular kind of science is all the more vulnerable for its novelty, political incorrectness, and implicit dependence on forms of causality that are at best incompletely understood.

      Evolutionary psychology is a very revealing and very promising new discipline, but trying to inflate it into a fundamental “philosophy” (as Joe suggests) is clearly out of line. It is neither all that fundamental, nor does it meet the foundational requirement of logical verifiability with respect to content and interpretation.

  35. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 22, 2011 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Fascism sucks unless you’re the Führer!

    As for logic, there’s none, just the will of one. A totalitarian state is a sure recipe for poverty. Aren’t things bad enough now? Even without the war, National Socialism was an exercise in impoverishment. Read Walter Eucken papers (I & II)

    • June 22, 2011 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

      There you go again, Trenchfoot. Virtually every government in history would be “fascist” by your standards, even the ones in which our race has reached the peaks of its achievements. History shows that our civilization rose under hierarchical, authoritarian, non-libertarian forms of government. Conversely, the rise of capitalism has been one of the causes of our racial and cultural decline. As one poster put it so well here: A society in which everything is for sale will be bought by Jews. So “fascism” is not just good for the leaders, and capitalism has been a boon for our enemies. We need National Capitalism.

  36. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 22, 2011 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    There are definitely some ideas and lines of discourse that circulate among the WNist intelligentsia that have unclear value in the struggle for White survival. Eurodele’s philosophical musings, while interesting, fall into this category, as do Matt’s references to spirituality and transcendence. One often sees words like myth, spirituality and Tradition with a capital T cropping up in WNist discourse without any clear explanation of how these concepts are helpful in the struggle for White racial survival. It seems to me that anyone who believes these concepts are essential to White survival should be able to explain how and why they are essential in a way that is intelligible to the educated general reader. A lot of it comes across as supernatural mumbo jumbo that should be treated with skepticism both from the standpoint of literal truth value and utility for White survival.

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 22, 2011 - 12:44 pm | Permalink

      “Eurodele’s philosophical musings, while interesting, fall into this category [lines of though with unclear value], as do Matt’s references to spirituality and transcendence.”

      On the contrary, I’d say that my “musings” have very clear value (but not to some people whose own mental states render them “unclear”).

      I would further observe that when distilled to their essential content, my “musings” have no real competition. This is because any other basis for a “White nationalist philosophy” can be easily dismantled (by me, for example) in a way that makes it entirely unsuitable for its supposed purpose, at least over the long haul. Of course, there’s nothing the matter with theoretical stopgaps, but I merely advise that they be recognized for what they are.

      The state of the Movement, and its difficulty in gaining traction, would seem to provide my observations with a certain amount of empirical support. But a large part of the point is that empirical conjecture – and after all, this includes the entirety of science beyond the raw data – is foundationally inadequate.

      By the way, that’s called “the problem of induction”. Logic is the only way around it.

    • June 22, 2011 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

      It seems to me that anyone who believes these concepts are essential to White survival should be able to explain how and why they are essential in a way that is intelligible to the educated general reader.

      Agreed. To begin with, White Survivalism, a discreet form of tribalism, is inherently collective, placing the welfare of the group above the welfare of the individual. As such, a coherent argument for our survival necessarily relies on ideological and philosophical arguments which diverge from modernity’s axiomatic reliance on the individual in ethics, morality, and politics. That’s where Catholic Traditionalism, Radical Traditionalism, New Right, and “fascism” come to the fore, as walking back to where we dropped collectivism in favor of individualism leads us back to these movements.

      I believe it’s a mistake to dig up the corpses of dead movements and drag them around, but I do believe studying them, learning from them, and developing coherent and contemporary adaptations in light of a better knowledge base than our forefathers had can prove beneficial. Otherwise, we end up with disastrously brittle arguments built on modern presumptions which are at once vulnerable and unpersuasive.

      It’s evident from our consciousness, “Cogito Ero Sum”, that we exist on some level which transcends the material. Perhaps my spiritual existence is merely an emergent phenomenon resulting from the interaction of billions of neurons, but even if that the entirety of it, that suggests a higher plane of reality beyond our current comprehension which is relevant.

      As a vigorous defense of our people can only be brought about by a love which transcends logical and material concerns, it’s natural and appropriate that a full discourse on White Survival interact with that which transcends the logical and material. After all, it’s not logical for me as an individual to subject myself to the setbacks and frustrations I’ve endured for my people – and it’s only through transcending logic and self that I summon the will to fight with the patience and persistence I now fight with.

      For several years, I was another commenter on the Internet who both believed and framed my understanding of racial interests in exclusively logical and individual-centric terms (it’s logical to promote biodiversity, it’s in my individual interest to live in a White country, etc…). Those have their place and all, but my own testimonial (YMMV, but I doubt it) is that the movement will continue to be stagnant until it’s invigorated with a spiritual energy that’s independent of (though not necessarily in opposition to) logic and pragmatic considerations.

    • J. Winthrop II's Gravatar J. Winthrop II
      June 23, 2011 - 8:46 am | Permalink

      I would further observe that when distilled to their essential content, my “musings” have no real competition. This is because any other basis for a “White nationalist philosophy” can be easily dismantled (by me, for example) in a way that makes it entirely unsuitable for its supposed purpose, at least over the long haul. eurodele

      Why would a White nationalist society allow you to dismantle its ideas? We would no more allow that than the Jews allow us access to the universities and mass media.

      Philosophy never won a war or a revolution. I have no doubt that adept sophists could make short work of Thomas Paine or Karl Marx, but their easily dismantled ideas each led to revolutions. Politics has more in common with advertising and religion than it does with philosophy.

      People believe what powerful leaders tell them often. Marx’s ideas were promoted by Lenin’s victory in 1917. Paine’s by Washington’s against the British army. Victory talks.

      Whites problem is lack of power. Whites can get power using tried and true methods which I won’t describe in any great detail here. I’ll just say they aren’t philisophical.

    • eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
      June 24, 2011 - 9:33 am | Permalink

      J. Winthrop II: “Why would a White nationalist society allow you to dismantle its ideas? We would no more allow that than the Jews allow us access to the universities and mass media.”

      I’m terribly sorry, but one can’t stamp his little foot, hold his breath until his face turns blue, and refuse to see a bad idea dismantled. It doesn’t work that way. If the idea is bad, then it is destined for the scrap heap, and that’s the way it should be.

      “Whites problem is lack of power. Whites can get power using tried and true methods which I won’t describe in any great detail here. I’ll just say they aren’t philosophical.”

      Right. But your most immediate problem is that you haven’t managed to convince a sufficient number of Whites to take action, at least partially because you have failed to show that you have a valid conceptual foundation on which to stand.

      This has to do with the mental states of the Whites on whom your advice is bestowed, and the fact that you’ve failed to convince them that your advice regarding “tried and true methods” of reclaiming power is worth taking.

      That’s what this discussion is about…convincing people to do what they need to do. Throw logic and valid argumentation overboard at the outset, and you have exactly zero chance of accomplishing that. Pay proper attention to them, and you stand a chance of igniting some quasi-religious fervor in their hearts.

    • J. Winthrop II's Gravatar J. Winthrop II
      June 25, 2011 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

      The multiculturalists have nothing but bad ideas, but no one on our side can dismantle them because we don’t have media access. If we had media access we could win with the ideas we already have.

      But for the sake of argument assume that today a perfect philosophy justifying White Nationalism is released, one worked on quietly for the last ten years by the best and brightest White philosophers and peer reviewed by loyal White academics working in secret. Upon its release the anti-whites on the internet attack but none of their arguments stick. It’s that good, they can’t lay a glove on it.

      What happens next? Nothing. The jew media never mentions the authors, never even hints that it exists. Like most powerful philosophical works it would be difficult reading, so even the majority of White Nationalists would never get through it. Of those who plowed through the difficult logic a minority would understand it well enough to teach it, and they would have the same problems with their students. Ten years after its release it would have a small handful of intelligent advocates talking to each other on a blog somewhere.

      Without some way to present the end product of this philosophizing to the White majority from a position of authority it would go nowhere. If we had a platform to speak from authority we wouldn’t need a perfect philosophy, White people would believe us because we could back up our words with deeds.

      To win authority we need a mass movement. We’re far more likely to build a mass movement using easily understood talking points like Bob Whitaker’s Mantra than we are with a philosophical masterpiece.

      We need boots on the ground not heads in the clouds.

      Bob Whitaker’s Mantra

    • Cary's Gravatar Cary
      June 25, 2011 - 4:08 pm | Permalink

      J. Winthrop II says, in part, “…for the sake of argument assume that today a perfect philosophy justifying White Nationalism is released, one worked on quietly for the last ten years by the best and brightest White philosophers and peer reviewed by loyal White academics working in secret.”

      Good news! There is an intermediate step that we can all undertake immediately, and that is to combat the Anti-White Narrative wherever it appears. Which is to say, without reference to philosophy, morality, historicity, multiculturalism, multi-racialism, and so on — simply attack persons using language and vocabulary hostile to the diverse white Americans. It isn’t hard, simply slap reporters and editors and politicians with sharply worded email messages harshly chastising them for their slurs, stereotypes, and hate caricatures in your white voice and in a white centric way.

      We call the technique an “attackback” and it only takes some brief research to locate email addresses at your local paper or TV station web site that you choose to monitor to detect the Anti-White Narrative.

  37. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 22, 2011 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb: “And Eurodele, please define “God.””

    No problem, Joe. Insofar as God has form, that form is identical to logic. And before you leap to the conclusion that this makes God cold, dry, sterile, and meaningless, I’d advise you to think about that a little harder than you would if left to your own devices.

  38. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 22, 2011 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    To Matt, please define “transcendant.” And Eurodele, please define “God.”
    and to Facio Libre, please define “fascism sucks.” I do not mind too much simple formulations, but this one is simple minded and emotion driven. Our logic facility is our realm of freedom, in an otherwise genetically “strict with limitation” biological Necessity. (We are given a hand of cards, and then we have to logically play them. We cannot change the cards, but we can “freely” deal with what we were dealt.

    Emotionalism is not logic, although after deploying one’s logical argument, it is permissable to attach a little emotion for rhetoric’s sake. like, Damn!

    • June 22, 2011 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

      The transcendent is that which transcends. In this context, that would be logic and empirical observation. If you can carry on the fight with no higher purpose than maximizing the frequency with which our alleles expressed, then pay no mind to my speculations.

      My instincts aren’t so strong, and I rely on these airy abstractions as a motivational crutch.

  39. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    June 22, 2011 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    TSA Now Storming Public Places 8,000 Times a Year

    You don’t think they will start coming after the White nationalists.. oh yes they will..

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      June 22, 2011 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

      Yes the security apparatchiks are going to build up nationalism as the next threat. In the public mind a ‘Hater’ is on the slippery slope to terrorism.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 22, 2011 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

      Haha right on FAcio. That is real to the core.
      -And some advice for Greg and his humble servant Matt:
      So your going after Ron Paul supporters for the primary reason of money. You want Ron Paul supporters to give YOU money rather than spending with him. This should have been your opening statement with subsequant support utilized in building your case. Because ripping into Ron Paul and then making the statement that you need his supporters to give you money, is well, intellectually dishonest. Again, you should have stated your need for his supporters in your opening. It would have gained more support since it would be founded upon honesty and integrity. But when people realize that your main pursuit is money, it erodes any criticism of Ron Paul that might have otherwise caught on. I agree with some aspects of your Ron Paul critique, but was dissappointed that your end game was money rather than an honest pursuit of strategies that can assist white people in our darkest hour.

    • June 22, 2011 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

      If the present system’s apparatus of control fell into my hands, I would use it to get our race off the road to extinction. Only a fool would throw it away based on the superstition that there is something intrinsically evil about coercion. If the ends don’t justify the means, nothing does. Putting the modern state to work for the right ends would solve our racial problem very quickly.

    • Alexander's Gravatar Alexander
      June 22, 2011 - 2:14 pm | Permalink

      Who cares. If they don’t come after you for one thing they will come after you for something else.

    • June 22, 2011 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

      I suppose I should not be offended to be referred to as “Greggy” by someone who refers to himself as “Tommy.” But in Tommy’s case it may be appropriate, because he does not write or think like a grown man.

      The “its all about the money” trope unmasks you as a mouth-breathing fool or, worse, as someone like Hunter “Rent-Seeker” Wallace who panders to them. The reality of our situation is that White Nationalism is starved for cash to get our message out, and I know for a fact that believing White Nationalists donate their time and their money to Ron Paul and the Tea Party, which are philosophically opposed to us and which support policies that only tangentially and accidentally intersect with ours. If WN is going to make headway, that has to stop.

      Now that is the truth. It is simple enough, but apparently only intelligent adults can grasp it. Moralistic simpletons who believe the liberal or Christian versions of the “money is the root of all evil” canard apparently cannot (unless they themselves are doing fund-raising for their own causes, of course; then they get it).

    • June 22, 2011 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

      So your going after Ron Paul supporters for the primary reason of money. You want Ron Paul supporters to give YOU money rather than spending with him.

      Okay. I’ll step up and admit the obvious. I, for one, am in it for the money. There’s big money in White Advocacy, and I construct my arguments and do my work to lull people into helping fatten my swollen reserves of ill-gotten wealth.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 22, 2011 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

      Oh I get it Gregg and Matt, you’re above taking advice from a lowly poster on this site.
      -You believe in intellectual heirarchies and I guess I failed to understand my respective place.
      -Im sorry I questioned you. You’re right on everything and therefore should protect your perspective as objective “truth.”
      -I’ll know better next time. I mean let’s be honest, it’s your world and I’m just a peon who will never be an “intelligent adult” as I’m cursed to an end as a “moralistic simpleton.” Also, I’m completely out line for basically stating that you should have titled your piece-
      “Why we deserve your contributions rather than Ron Paul,” or introduced this as your thesis in the opening paragraph. Doing this, as I originally stated, would have been honorable indeed. But it seems you missed that sentiment in my post.
      -Plus, what’s the deal with Gregg’s fascination with Neitzsche and Fascism? Hasn’t this already been tried, the superman concept coupled with government and nationalistic trend?LOL And to what end?LOLOL And what’s the correlation between an authoritarian dictatorship and Fascism again? wow…..

  40. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    June 22, 2011 - 10:39 am | Permalink

    If discrimination was legal in USA, people would naturally separate. This would be done on a subconscious level. Just go to the local high school during lunch.. yeah, there is some mixing, but for the most part, people prefer to be with people like themselves.. no one forces these kids to separate.. it’s automatic.. and natural!

    Fascism sucks! Fascism is the ideology that enables the rulers to force people into line with state policy backed by the force of the state, i.e., anti-discrimination laws.. you all must integrate.. blah blah blah USA today is a borderline fascist state.. Who says fascism can’t be multicultural.. oh yes it can!

    • Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
      June 22, 2011 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

      Yes, I got your point, and I was pulling your chain a little, but just a little. The point I was trying to make is “reverse discrimination”, ie. Affirmative Action, discriminates against whites via race preferences in college exams, business etc. and is perfectly legal.

  41. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 22, 2011 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb: “All the complexity of thought and feeling can be objectively described, correlated to intelligence metrics, temperment metrics, history, literary achievements, you name it. You have not succeeded in sketching an ancillary “philosophy” to socio-biology. or Bio-Culture as M. O’Meara calls it. ”

    Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Joe. I’m in complete agreement with you regarding the crucial importance of biology, genetics, and eugenics to our situation. But I think we may have a problem here regarding the nature of biological and genetic causality. Specifically, many people – even some who are highly educated – have a materialistic or physicalistic conception of causality that turns out, on close analysis, to be untenable.

    Biological origins, biological causality, and their relationship to human existence and human psychology are complex philosophical issues. Materialists tend to associate human origins with mechanical but statistically and ontologically random processes, and to supervene mind on matter (in particular, the gray and white matter of the brain). But while an engineering student can get away with this kind of thinking, it’s only because engineering is a field in which a mechanical perspective happens to work pretty well. Unfortunately, as we raise the level abstraction, it begins to disintegrate.

    To see that materialism and the materialistic view of causality are bankrupt, one need merely look for things that are obviously relevant to material reality but have no concrete material structure. For example: time, empty space, spacetime and spacetime curvature, fields of force, quantum wave functions, the mathematical structure of physical reality, and last but not least, causality itself. Unfortunately, physicalism is little more than an arbitrary labeling convention designed to glue such things onto material reality without explaining how they got there, and “naturalism” isn’t much better. It follows that any such view of biology and psychology is fundamentally inadequate.

    As we now know, classical notions of causality fall apart on extremely large and small scales, in the cosmological and quantum realms. The former is a problem with regard to origins, particularly that of the universe, and the latter is a problem with regard to genetic and biological causation, much of which occurs on molecular and possibly submolecular scales. One might not think that the origin of the universe relates in any particular way to biological origins and the nature of biological causation, but in fact, we have every reason to expect the biological microcosm to mirror the macrocosm in which it is physically and ontologically embedded. Indeed, to assume otherwise is to roll out the red carpet for nihilism and all kinds of illogic, which is precisely what we need to avoid.

    Note that there is one sense in which the naive perspective of the engineering student is vindicated: even as classical causality fails, logic stands firm. Logical tautologies brook no deviation under any circumstances; nature can play tricks with them, applying them in unexpected ways, but they cannot fail. Were they ever to fail, so would two-valued logic, and all physical entities, from quantum wave functions to the universe at large, would lose their identities. Without their identities, they could never be acquired by any sort of causal function, existing or emergent. Reality itself – not just our understanding of it, but its intrinsic ability to autonomously self-interact in its various parts – would crumble into an indecipherable morass from which order, being without hope of gaining purchase, could never reemerge.

    It follows that if we want an enduring, rock-solid philosophy that won’t embarrassingly fall apart as soon as somebody who knows what he’s doing pokes at it a little – and as you know, it will be strenuously challenged owing to the nature of our demands on it – logic is the only possible foundation. Most people don’t understand how a true logical philosophy could be constructed; logic seems to stand on one side of a great Cartesian gap, while the physical world and its various phenomena seem to stand independently of it on the other. But this separation is illusory; it can’t possibly hold, because nothing from which logic has been wholly subtracted can maintain any degree of integrity. It falls apart so completely that there is no possibility of reassembly. This, of course, would be inconsistent with the stable, orderly reality that we see all around us.

    That tells us that the foundations of reality, and thus of human existence, are indeed logical in character, and thus that there exists a logically-founded theory of reality in which to interpret biological evolution, sociobiology, and evolutionary psychology. Logic – the God-given rules of valid cognition and perception – is our cognitive bedrock, and this is where any lasting foundation must be built. Bertrand Russell may have given it his best shot and failed, but he was not the only extraordinary intellect at our disposal; if he were with us today, he would probably agree that it is not a matter of whether it will emerge, but only of how, when, and from whom. In any case, it is the only acceptable foundation for the philosophy we need. We can’t do without it; too many people, including all of the most intelligent, would quickly see through anything less. They know the weaknesses and failings of the classical and neoclassical pictures, have watched innumerable derived philosophies fold like cardboard, and no longer have any faith in any of them. Aside from brute experience, the only philosophical mainstays that still inspire faith are God and the human spirit … but these too are under attack, and ultimately, even they must be defined in sound logical terms.

    So you see, explaining why human life has meaning, why human beings are worth a hoot, and why a particular race of human beings “deserves to survive”, is really a tall order. Needless to say, academic philosophy fell asleep at the switch a long time ago; one might as well search for groundbreaking insight at a hairdressers’ convention. After all, such matters are quite technical…and as a matter of fact, their discussion requires a level of technical sophistication exceeding that of this forum.

    But perhaps you can see where I’m coming from. All one can ask is that we keep an open mind on such issues, and not prematurely latch onto something that is called a “philosophy”, but which is sure to punk out on us just when we really need it.

  42. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 22, 2011 - 10:05 am | Permalink

    Facio Libre;
    “Discrimination should be legal and widely practiced”
    This statement is profoundly true. Anti-discrimination laws are nothing but government attempts to controll not only people, but their very feelings as well.
    That said, you do know that discrimination IS legal AND widely practiced don’t you?…It is only illegal for white males of European descent (practically speaking)

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 10:53 am | Permalink

      @Henry Baxley

      “That said, you do know that discrimination IS legal AND widely practiced don’t you?…It is only illegal for white males of European descent (practically speaking)”

      Nice jab on my chin..

      But I think you have distorted the point I was trying to make..
      just a little..

  43. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 22, 2011 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    Joe Webb:
    I agree facism is closer to Nature than any of the other “Isms” I mentioned. It is not close eneugh, otherwise it would not have failed. We need a system that will work in the 21st century, a system that allows for some limited interaction among nations and peoples, while still protecting the racial interests of all…as God intended.
    To put race above God is folly IMO. If we put God (Nature) 1st, the races will naturally separate of their own will, because its NATURAL…not because one is better, smarter, etc. than the other.

  44. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 22, 2011 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    Tommy Gunns:
    So if a sheep is just as likely to be struck by lightening as a man…this means the man should have sex with the sheep??

  45. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 22, 2011 - 6:05 am | Permalink

    To Mark Hess:
    Yes, it’s galling that the cloak of freedom is used all too often to hide a sinister agenda. Neo-cons have completely displaced the paleolibertarians, or Old Right. You find what’s left of the latter at places like these:

    – Libertarianism with the (essential) adjuncts of family, society, race, and culture!

  46. June 22, 2011 - 4:12 am | Permalink

    Eurodele: “In this day and age, the average White person is a major disappointment in almost every respect – stupid, easily distracted and indoctrinated, apathetic in every respect save its materialistic aspirations, resembling a pampered, powdered brat with its snotty, bloodied nose pressed against the glass of the Jewish media showroom, drooling in its mindless desire to emulate the parasitic behavior of the proprietors even as it and its siblings are effortlessly kicked and muscled aside by violent, resentful blacks and mestizos.”
    Absolutely brilliant!
    Mr. Webb, your comments continue to enlighten on this great thread. Please continue. (BTW that was not an AH ‘one good jew’ quote you mentioned, but from Himmler’s Posen speech, incredibly apt for our current situation and worth repeating here:
    “And then they all come along, the eighty million good Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are swine, but this one is a first-class Jew. (some laughter).”
    BTW here’s a little-known but interesting quote by AH about ‘one good jew’ I think you’ll appreciate:
    “Dietrich Eckart once told me that in all his life he had known just one good Jew: Otto Weininger, who killed himself on the day when he realized that the Jew lives upon the decay of peoples.”
    Eckart, to whom the second half of Mein Kampf was dedicated to, wrote of course Bolshevism From Moses to Lenin, a must-read for WNs translated from the German by Pierce.
    Great review article, Mr. Parrot, thank you.
    I am greatly impressed with and much appreciate these examples of Mr. Johnson’s writing. I shall purchase the book shortly. Parts appear to echo and approach Pierce at his best – erudite, beautifully written but with a working-man’s unpretentious practicality.
    “We do not need to reason with the monster; we need to put a bullet into its brain and hammer a stake through its heart. If that means blood and chaos and battling the alien enemy from house to house in burning cities throughout our land then, by God, it is better that we get on with it now than later.”
    DrWP, 1971

  47. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 22, 2011 - 2:39 am | Permalink

    To Mark Hess:
    Just to be clear, of your list, only Ayn Rand could be classified as libertarian, though I’m no fan of her brand. The rest are neo-cons, with the exception of Friedman, a monetarist. See:

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 22, 2011 - 3:10 am | Permalink


      Thanks for bringing me down to earth. I often do not write very well.

      I realize that what you have written in response is true, in a very real sense. However, the “Globalists,” “Neo-Cons” and so on, who I listed above, talk and write repeatedly about the same ideas– “limited” government (most of them DO NOT mean that), erasing of borders, “free” trade, reminding all who will listen that we are competing with starving people in India, and on and on.

      That all strikes me as being anti-nation, anti-people, anti-culture and, well, ruthless and unreasonable.

  48. tma_sierrahills's Gravatar tma_sierrahills
    June 22, 2011 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    My final vote could go three ways: RP, ZP or my toaster oven.

    “Although in the long run, Aztlan’s interests would conflict with those of the Red Chinese, Blacks, and Jews, in the short run they would be natural allies in looting and dispossessing Whites. And why wouldn’t they?”

    Yes, I think Whites, including yours truly, can’t get it out of their heads that some sort of clipboard-and-protractor-in-hand fairness will someday be the answer acceptable to all. So even now we are thinking about slicing up America like a great big peach pie.

    Even if other groups were to agree, they will immediately decide they were cheated. “The injustice of it!” The proof? For one thing, Whites will obviously have a higher standard of living than New Aztlan or New Africa. We will have agreed to transfer land to them for nothing. Also, since many came here as illegals, and many more will be the offspring of the same, what sort of a message would this send? Coming from the people who just recently owned the whole pie? Not to mention having ancestors who struggled, fought and died to create it.

    What if criminally insane elites had grabbed power in China for several decades and opened the floodgates to European colonization? Can you imagine the sane Chinese ever saying, “Okay, the Italians can have Sichwan; the Norwegians may happily flourish in … ”

    As far as today’s presidential field, I am torn between Ron Paul and filling in my ballot with the name of the ghost of ZaSu Pitts. Seriously, on what you might call the pro v. anti open-borders scale, using legislative votes and policy positions, NumbersUSA grades as follows: Obama: F-; Paul: F; Johnson: F; Santorum: F; Gingrich: D-; Palin: D-; Romney: D; Cain: D+; Pawlenty: C+: Bachmann: B-.

    Obviously White nationalists who support Ron Paul are only White nationalists within their respective brain cases. I am aware of the Bachmann problem. I’m just reporting the grades. But I guess it is not that hard to be Annie Oakley in a room full of Pee-wee Hermans.

    The above book review by Matt Parrott is a very fine one.

  49. Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
    June 22, 2011 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Irving Kristol, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman, Paul Wolfowitz, Alan Greenspan, Charles Krauthammer, etc. and etc. …

    I am having an extremely difficult time in understanding how so many of us apparently do not seem to recognize that these people are not our friends, and that the views they push are outright destructive. And is it not strange that so many of these individuals who go on endlessly about the wonders of libertarianism, “free trade,” globalism and freedom turn out to be radical statists and/or supporters of radical statism?

    It makes me think of something that an infamous and grotesquely slandered German once said. The statement had something to do with how this kind of thought made up one side of the same coin– the other side being communist.

    When I think of all of the times that I have seen the likes of Thomas Friedman telling our brothers and sisters in places like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, France and Germany that they need to adopt a more “American” way of doing business and running their countries, I feel like vomiting. And what would a Norwegian’s motivation be to take such advice? Why, ON EARTH, would a proud Swede want his country to more closely resemble the US. “Far less social mobility, much higher rates of disease and crime, widespread ugliness and disorder, tens of millions of people who worship The Old Testament and other things that are patently gross and ridiculous, no health care, no job stability, a much dumber population… Sounds great! Where do I sign, Mr. Friedman? I really do hate my children and my people. And I love Ayn Rand.”

    Please, libertarians and libertarianism admirers, at the very least, leave Europe alone!

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 22, 2011 - 12:37 am | Permalink

      The various European nations won’t have the same political system as the United States. Why is that a problem? I don’t see any big conflict here. Every White nation has a unique history and culture.

      Personally, I am not a big fan of kennel rights, i.e. the rights you would give a dog (free health care, free food, stay in your cage and obey orders) that prevail in the more socialistic countries. But let Sweden be Sweden, I say. I understand they have been happy with their welfare state and generous vacation policies. And after all, there is nothing bad about time off!

      The US will always be more individualistic and perhaps so will England and Australia. So be it. We don’t all have to be the same.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 22, 2011 - 12:57 am | Permalink

      For those who go on about the “evils” of a social safety net in principle, please, consider this:

      Most of the white individuals I know of who have suffered periods of unemployment or underemployment have had those experiences because they could not find jobs. It was no reflection on their work ethic and efforts to find work.

      And, keep in mind, that moving is a huge expense. If you are a working person (i.e. poor) who has lost a job due to down-sizing, and if you live in an area that has next to no jobs anymore, you are pretty much up the creek.

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 1:54 am | Permalink

      “In order to control the opposition you must stand at its head. ” ~ Lenin (Jew)

      Let me ask you.. Do you really grasp the meaning of this statement? I mean.. Do you really understand what it is being said here?

      Just because there are Jews writing on the subject of libertarianism, does not make libertarianism, by any stretch of imagination, a Jewish movement, or a movement that will further Jewish interests. What it means is that certain intellectual Jews have been deployed to take over the libertarian movement and subvert it from within. By writing on the subject of Libertarianism, Jews such as Milton Friedman, are not “pushing” true libertarianism, but instead have put themselves in the leadership position.. and as such are in position to derail it from within.. What they’re doing is perverting the libertarian philosophy! It’s called tactics! Open your eyes silly goiym!

      Who do you think invented SOCIALISM? Do you want me to give you a list of all commie Jews and Jewish socialists?? Rest assured it is much longer then the list of “libertarian” Jews you have given us.. I think any reasonable person would get the point I’m trying to make..

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 22, 2011 - 3:23 am | Permalink

      Facio Libre,

      Thanks for responding.

      Could you provide a list of names of the “real” Libertarian thinkers? Honestly, I do not think that I am aware of who they are.

      Also, how do you envision a “Libertarian USA.” What would it look like? What would reinforce reasonable feelings of human solidarity, nationalism and social responsibility– all things that are necessary for a civilized country?

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 8:26 am | Permalink

      @Mark Hess

      Could you provide a list of names of the “real” Libertarian thinkers?

      For starters, I can began with the following:

      Signers of the Declaration of Independence

      John Adams
      Samuel Adams
      Josiah Bartlett
      Carter Braxton
      Charles Carroll
      Samuel Chase
      Abraham Clark
      George Clymer
      William Ellery
      William Floyd
      Benjamin Franklin
      Elbridge Gerry
      Button Gwinnett
      Lyman Hall
      John Hancock
      Benjamin Harrison
      John Hart
      Joseph Hewes
      Thomas Heyward, Jr.
      William Hooper
      Stephen Hopkins
      Francis Hopkinson
      Samuel Huntington
      Thomas Jefferson
      Francis Lightfoot Lee
      Richard Henry Lee
      Francis Lewis
      Philip Livingston
      Thomas Lynch, Jr.
      Thomas McKean
      Arthur Middleton
      Lewis Morris
      Robert Morris
      John Morton
      Thomas Nelson, Jr.
      William Paca
      Robert Treat Paine
      John Penn
      George Read
      Caesar Rodney
      George Ross
      Benjamin Rush
      Edward Rutledge
      Roger Sherman
      James Smith
      Richard Stockton
      Thomas Stone
      George Taylor
      Charles Thomson (Secretary, attested to Hancock’s signature)
      Matthew Thornton
      George Walton
      William Whipple
      William Williams
      James Wilson
      John Witherspoon
      Oliver Wolcott
      George Wythe

      How about John Lock for crying out load? I’m assuming that you have graduated college.. am I right?

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 8:38 am | Permalink

      Also, how do you envision a “Libertarian USA.” What would it look like?

      First of all, I don’t see USA of the future as –
      a Collectivist, Talmudic. Police State.. That’s pretty close of what we got now..

      We need to go back and retrace our steps identify the mistakes that were made and rectify them..

      I don’t think many people here, are including the capabilities of modern technologies and what effect they have on individual freedom.. All those collectivist enthusiasts here do not realize that some of their ideas would put us in an Orwellian type nightmare..

      Libertarianism without socialism is good.. All the losers would drop off by the wayside.. What we got now is individual irresponsibility with a social safety net.. That’s not what I’m for not at all.. What i;m saying is that those that must live, will live..

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 9:09 am | Permalink

      Look, discrimination should be legal and should be widely practiced.. If that was the case, things would start falling back into their proper place, as nature intended..

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 10:02 am | Permalink

      How about posting that list of real Libertarians for Mark?

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 22, 2011 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

      Facio Libre,

      Many thanks for providing that list. I wish that more people who argue for Libertarianism on pages like this would cite such historical figures, as there is much to admire and respect about many of them.

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 22, 2011 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

      @Mark Hess

      Sure thing..

  50. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 22, 2011 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    To Matt, When I hear the word “spiritual” I take out my revolver.

    Let me tell you why: I am almost 70 years old, have been intellectually active left, center and right-racialist (never Republican or libertarian.) as well as some familiarity with literature, high class music, and art…enough to have figured out on my own that Modernism is jewcommiefilth. I have also looked into New Age material. I have had the experience of folks telling me that they “are not religious, but are spiritual.” Every one of these characters have been stupid and unable to tell me what their spirituality is, or where it comes from. Then, of course, they evidence no spirituality that I can observe. What is spirituality one might ask? ONe of the earmarks of it is to have a loving and sunny disposition. That does not mean you love everybody, you should love and warm your chest around children, even when they are a problem. It also means that you can recognize psychopathology and enemies, and be prepared to kill them if need be. Then, after a few minutes, you can resume your sunny disposition after having dispatched the lunatic or enemy.

    Someone said that in an age of Unbelief in God, that the problem is not the unbelief, but rather that people will believe anything. We have that all around us. Anybody who engages a wider variety of people will have had this experience of Spiritual people waiting to kill anybody who disagrees with them. The connection between narcissism and spirituality is very close.

    Most sane people do not bother with “spirituality” but go to church, do what the priest says, or try to, and hang out with their friends and family and obey the rules of their kin and group….socio-biological principles by the way. Just as you do not need to know grammar to write well and speak well, you do not need to know the rules of socio-biology to behave yourself socially. That is, unless you have spent too much time reading useless books and listening to prophets, usually false.

    The Church, and other religions have battled heresy for good reason. In my limited knowledge of Christianity, the heresies have been crazier than the mainstream religion, like Gnosticism. Gnostics are “spiritual” and the centrality of their spirituality is that they do not have to account for anything or their own actions. The Church as always insisted on Reason, following the Greeks. Of course, there is one Magical act, Christ, etc. but only one.
    Jews are still mired in the garbage of magic, as we saw last week with the rabid rabbi calling for the stoning of a dog who had been occupied by the soul of a very bad man.

    Almost without exception, the people I meet who talk about “spirit” are decidedly unpleasant, uninformed, etc. The greatest part of Reason is that it demands reasons..if you will, and not some narcissistic, fixated, and “posited” , in effect, set of idiocies.

    What we have now is a “religious” anarchy, in which every man is his own priest (outside the Catholic Church). The Jews had a hand in this in the Protestant Reformation, if you read E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (and I recommend that you do). The Jews are priest-ridden, but that ensures a large degree of social solidarity.
    Arguably, the Peace Now left zios and anti-zios altogether do not believe in G-d. Nor does the left, which Believes in Equality and is upset that Israel is an “apartheid” state, not that there is anything wrong with the jews that cannot be fixed by a little Rights of ALL Men and Wymyn, dolphins, and kittens.

    Spirituality is usually the first refuge of someone who cannot discuss, in a dispassionate but friendly way, various matters, intellectual, personal, and political.

    Charisma, for example, can be accounted for, or explained by simple human emotions, like, confidence, loving disposition, firmness, courage, good looks helps, speaking ability, and all-round attractiveness, including a good sense of humor, which spiritualistic folks usually lack.

    Then, on the other hand, charismatic figures can also be dangerous, etc, etc.

    Give me the rock solid rules of biology and bio-culture, then I can put away my revolver. Joe

    • June 22, 2011 - 9:09 am | Permalink

      I never offered spirituality as a replacement of socio-biological facts and have rigorously striven to arrive at a worldview which reconciles the terrestrial and transcendent. The little truths of scientific research and examination must add up to the big Truth of our spiritual natures. At this point, both our understanding of the little truths and the Truth are partial and subverted, so I refuse to accept either the materialists’ assertion that the inconsistencies suggest there is no spiritual aspect of life or the Traditionalists’ assertion that the Western pursuit of knowledge and information is somehow “decadent” or “heretical”.

      In short, I won’t be relying on spirituality as a crutch to avoid dealing with empirical material reality. In other words, it’s safe to put your revolver away.

  51. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 21, 2011 - 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Hatred necessary? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t and sometimes it’s mix.

    Whites in North America carried on wars against Indian tribes for generations killing huge numbers and successfully taking the continent away from them. Did they always hate Indians? Apparently not. There are examples of Whites that fought and killed Indians, only to befriend other Indians at a later point. Andrew Jackson was brutal in his treatment of Indians (necessarily so), and yet adopted an Indian boy as his own son.

    That’s strange behavior in my book, but it just shows that humans can be rather complex in their motivations on a personal level. When Anglos fought for independence in Texas against the Mexican government, there was a racial undertone to it, but it never had the clear cut lines of a race war. Yet they were very effective.

    The British conquered huge numbers of people without actually hating them (although they rightly considered themselves superior). The Spanish conquered all of Mexico and most of South America. Did they hate them? I’m sure some did, but others mated with natives with wild abandon. Humans can be pretty complex and mercurial on a personal level.

    In most cases, the most prominent negative emotion Whites have is not hatred of other races but a kind of contempt. Whites looked down on most non-Whites for centuries. In the South, with both slavery and segregation, most Whites did not personally hate all Blacks – they just wanted them in their place. It has been said Southerners feared and hated blacks as a group, but often liked them on a personal level. Contradictory? Yes.

    Whites often seem most powerful and dangerous when they are possessed of a rather cold, analytical and idealistic vision. If I were a Mestizo or a Black, I wouldn’t fear the White guy that personally hated me as much as the Whites that felt it was necessary to “deal with me” in order to perfect their moral vision.

  52. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 21, 2011 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    “Any ‘philosophy’ worthy of the name will be completely based on socio-biology. That is, it will be scientifically verifiable. Individualism , the libertarian brand, is in direct conflict with socio-biology which demonstrates than man is a social animal first and foremost , whose personal and collective survival demands a certain subordination to the social group to insure the survival of the group and its genes.”

    clearly this is fallacious, otherwise this dialogue wouldn’t be taking place in the first place.

  53. June 21, 2011 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    I think Mr Johnson’s remarks re National Socialism were brilliant and remarkably fresh. Hitler gets a bad rap but he saved Germany with his economic program: The Good Society

    As to Jared Taylor. YOU CANNOT SAY: “WELL DONE” to those who fraternize and assistTHE ENEMY OF OUR RACE.
    Without the Self-Chosen, no Asian, no Latino, no African would be a problem today for any of the fast disappearing White homelands.
    Jared Taylor desecrated on AR in a vandalizing of positively semitic proportions, Stanley Hornbeck’s review of CoC.
    NO criticism of the Hive is allowed to penetrate the Semitic Moderator at AR. Thus angry Whites are led down a blind alley.
    In fact note that often the AR front page has more anti-Islam articles than what we face in America, namely Christian hordes, Mexicans, blacks, Guatemalans and so forth.
    Again that is the misdirection of Whites anger, to serve the purpose of the Hive.
    It is believed by observers that Mr Taylor’s wife is Jewish.

    While we believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH, unlike our opponents, Mr Taylor has also demonstrated that, like his Jewish friends, he does not.

  54. June 21, 2011 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for this review, Matt. Perhaps in the future you will write also an essay on hate?

    @ “If the people who are most informed about the ‘Mexer’ problem don’t personally hate them, then is it such a big problem after all?” – G.J.

    Hate is a natural sentiment. As natural as love. And the fact that in today’s totalitarian culture the elites want to suppress a natural sentiment speaks for itself.

    @ “Greg, in fact the white Mexicans are moving in our direction very rapidly.” – Cary

    “Nacos” is White Mexican slang for Indian mestizos. Like “nigger” it is pejorative in Mexico. But, and here’s the difference, I have never heard this epithet used by a white on a brown person as a personal insult. But many White Mexicans use the word every day while speaking with each other.

    Any Iberian White that uses the word obviously hates the sea of nacos that has engulfed the country since the last century. But the fact that they don’t use the word in the presence of the beaners themselves demonstrates that their intent (our intent) is not to hurt feelings.

    Do some of my close friends hate the nacos? Yes and no. While we are extremely shocked about how their reproductive capabilities destroyed our town, at the same time we don’t direct our hatred against them, but against the liberal principle that made their biological reproduction possible in the first place.

    Do I hate the nacos? Paradoxically, I am the member of my family who better treats the brown servants who help them, and at the same time my dream is a white ethno-state in some part of the continent (even if that would mean the ethnic cleansing of some of them in the case of an ethnic war). On the other hand, one of my liberal brothers doesn’t feel the same empathy and compassion toward the servants during their conflicts with their bosses, but he freaked out when I dared to speak my mind on racial issues. According to PC, I would be the “hater” and my bro the “normal” guy, even though the servants trust me above any of the other family members…

    This paradox shows that the whole case on “racial hatred” is just newspeak from a culture that doesn’t allow the existence of basic immunological instincts such as self/non-self discrimination.

    • Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
      June 22, 2011 - 10:04 am | Permalink

      Good insight there, Hermano Chechar. Love and hate are both sides of the same deeply emotional, conflicted human coin. The one works duplicitously in tandem with the other, often at gross cross purposes. Such is the psychological condition of the walking human paradox, especially the White one.

    • Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
      June 23, 2011 - 2:58 am | Permalink

      That’s a good point .The underlying reason is that the Left wing and their Jewish controllers have undermined the natural process of language assimilation . If you look at the history of normal societies . The outsider is branded and ridiculed and then if he shows his worth the the host society he merges into it .The real misfortune of Black Americans is the Jewish driven civil rights movement. The Jews were just using the Negros as a way of attacking the hated majority. If Jews hadn’t interfered the Blacks would have merged into American society especially after their contribution in the ww2 and Vietnam .They would have gained respect by proving that they are as good and as useful as a white man .Unfortunately for them Jewish driven socialism decided to ‘experiment’ on them with social welfare and affirmative action , so their status actually hasn’t improved , its only the Jewish controlled MSM that has tried to create the illusion that the have done Niggers a great favor by giving them phoney jobs and phoney status . If the intellectuals hadn’t interfered the word Nigger , it might well have become a reverse complement as often happens with such words when those its directed against prove the meaning false by action . Such an evolution was never allowed to occur because Jews always make a point of refusing to merge with the people they live off and so were using niggers as an allie in there race war against Europeans .Thus we have had multiculturalism foist on us by the Jewish controlled Left wing .

  55. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 21, 2011 - 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Swap Jewish overlords for Greg Johnson overlords? New jackboots exhanged for old? No way.

  56. taumsauk's Gravatar taumsauk
    June 21, 2011 - 8:19 pm | Permalink

    @Free Thinker, @Tommy Gunnz

    Your advice on use of the term ‘white’ is long overdue. As a word-choice this has about as much elan as ‘black’ or ‘spick,’ and culturally, is everybit as demeaning – even when used by a well-meaning EU-Am. Of course, this terminology stems from the first, early groups which recognized the problem and were way ahead of the curve in decrying it. It is meaningful, however, that those first defiant rebels were of the robust, passionate, unstudied set who act on instinct, and in a primal way, are usually right. Frills were not their style, but as both FT and TG have mentioned, the demographic now needed to advance this movement will be expecting more discreet language.

    In this vein I also take exception to a universal use of the word “elite” in referring to those who are creating so much disorder. It designates a recognizable clique, to be sure, but in the process confers importance, even dignity, upon them. Let’s avoid paying unwitting complements to this stratum of society. The term “elite” must be discarded for something more to the point, like “Counterfeit Ruck,” “International Crime Ring, “Carrion Birds,” “Saboteurs…” Semantics are difficult, but in my judgement, we really should stop elevating this group every time we make a reference to them.

  57. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    June 21, 2011 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    No one should have any illusions that posting on the internet will ignite a revolution. But one should not conclude from this that posting commentary on the internet is a waste of time. We are building and maintianing an alternative media structure…and this is mighty important. For surely the day of reckoning is comming in America. The pro-white web sites are the only place that millions of White Americans will be able turn to..and they will. The interaction between a pro-White alternative media and thousands of pissed off and very frieghtened White Americans will accelerate the race-replacement revolt. If you don’t think this will happen consider this. The current generation of White Males in College and below have are going to find themselves economically redundant very soon. I have no idea how these guys are going to earn enough money to marry and raise a family. So without a doubt, there is going to be a very exlosive situation in this country some time in the future. The deck is really stacked against this sector of the White population.

    So my advice is to keep providing high quality commentary. I would avoid pontificating into the metaphysical realm of racial identity poltics. Just keep doing thorough refutations of the “arguments” of the enemy. Largely, what we have to do is define the terms of “debate” in terms of White American racial interests. It really helps to keep the realm of “What’s in it for What Americans..why should they be in favor of that?”

    I’m not trying to mean, but I find at least 75 percent of the posts on this website to be meandering and boringly so. This is because of a lack of a laser beam focus on the core concepts involved in White American racial self-defense.

    One of the things that I have noticed over the past four years ago is that the summer time is the doldrums in terms of posting activity on pro-white websites. Just be on the alert that something can happen this event that will wake everyone up..and you can certain that an event like this will happen in within the next year. The pain level for millions of White Americans will increase..and this is where we step in comrades.

  58. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 21, 2011 - 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Shiva, calling Taylor a turd is disgusting and not worthy of a white mind. Taylor has done more than just about any of us except KM. He is limited. You are limited. I am limited. When you achieve something beyond potty mouth, let us know. j

  59. Someday's Gravatar Someday
    June 21, 2011 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Right now nothing will work. As for the idea that ‘bourgeoisie respectability’ or ‘working within the system’ is what is holding back nationalism that is dangerous nonsense, it sounds like a call for criminal violence. Take a look at what you would be up against.

    • June 21, 2011 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

      You are posting a false dichotomy: work within the system or be a criminal who is going to get the black helicopters sicced on you. Nothing will work? I smell troll.

    • Someday's Gravatar Someday
      June 21, 2011 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

      It all depends what is meant by ‘outside the system’. I think it’s dangerous to be vague about what is meant by that as to some it will sound like a call to violence, making nationalism vulnerable to provocateurs and unstable people. If it is a call for imaginative tactics which can transcend the system and get the message across to the brainwashed masses then all well and good.

      I don’t think accepting the pejorative terms like ‘hater’ is going to work. That is a scorched earth policy that will damage the prospects for nationalist resurgence in the future. If I said ‘yes I’m a troll’ would that make people take me seriously ?

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

      How can you accuse someone who is trying to keep you out of jail of being a troll. A troll or agent would be encouraging you to get arrested, egging on misbehavior.

    • Cass Sunstein's Gravatar Cass Sunstein
      June 21, 2011 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

      Undoubtedly, true revolutionaries are committed to “The Borean Alliance” of merging the United States with France and Russia, and approach ordinary people with kooky theories about Jewish influence over male circumcision.

    • June 21, 2011 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

      My article does not call for political violence.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

      No one called for any kind of violence at all. But for some reason Johnson seemed to think Someday was a troll, because Someday pointed out the folly of taking on the US military. But maybe Johnson was just joking. It just didn’t make sense when I read it.

    • Lew's Gravatar Lew
      June 22, 2011 - 1:14 am | Permalink

      “Someday” made two very suspicious comments in this exchange. In the first comment he said the idea at hand “sounds like a call for criminal violence,” and in the second one added the idea “will sound like a call to violence” to some. Sorry, I call trolling.

    • June 22, 2011 - 9:21 am | Permalink

      Undoubtedly, true revolutionaries are committed to “The Borean Alliance” of merging the United States with France and Russia, and approach ordinary people with kooky theories about Jewish influence over male circumcision.

      Evidently, the kooky theories about Jewish influence over male circumcision are working to an impressive degree in San Francisco. You can carry on with your crude angle of ridiculing minority children in poverty and filth so grinding they get infested with insects and Greg can carry on with his Frisco angle. Personally, I wanted to send that Black kid money and will gladly carry on with my state of denial and feigned indifference about having been mutilated.

      Please take the sock off your hand and explain why mocking niglets is a winning strategy and Greg’s isn’t. From my vantage point, both appear like non-starters. Maybe it’s a regional thing.

    • June 22, 2011 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

      Cass Sunstein = Hunter Wallace breaking his New Year’s resolution for the 15,000th time.

    • Cass Sunstein's Gravatar Cass Sunstein
      June 22, 2011 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

      Okay sure.

      (1) First, it doesn’t work in San Francisco, as no one who lives there cares anymore about “The Borean Alliance” or Jewish influence over circumcision than people who live in Iowa. It sounds crazy even there.

      (2) Second, I have empirical data which proves that White people care about taxes, the quality of their schools, and the safety of their neighborhoods, and resent the way that blacks and Hispanics have affected these things, unlike weird fantasies like using eugenics to create “elf-like descendents.”

      (3) Third, WN attracts crackpots who drive away people who sympathize popular racial grievances like crime and immigration, who hitch 1 percent issues to 70 percent issues.

      Our survival is incompatible with “bourgeois respectability”? That is something the avant-garde would say, which existed for the sole purpose of getting a thrill of being marginalized on the fringes of society.

      In reality, NY Times stock sells for around $8 dollars a share now. These institutions which you believe “control the lemmings” are bankrupt in terms of their credibility with the public.

      But, I can see your point that when stepping into this vacuum, we must talk about Nazi UFOs in Antarctica, the “Borean Alliance,” and Jewish influence over male genitalia.

      Yes, it might make pro-Whites look like fruitcakes, but it is a price we must be willing to pay, if we ever hope to win???

    • June 22, 2011 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

      It is a shame that people like Hunter Wallace (Cass Sunstein) feel the need to prop themselves up by putting down other people in the movement like little old me. It is a character defect that makes it impossible for people with different approaches and interests to work synergistically for the greater good.

      I don’t claim that my way is the one right way and disparage anybody else who does things differently. That is why I have my two rules: (1) Everyone gets to choose his own level of involvement and explicitness, and (2) Everybody else has to respect that.

      Rule one is just a fact, which nobody could change anyway. Rule 2 forces us to accept that fact and work to find some way of making use of every bona fide WN out there, rather than attacking them, which is (a) futile, because it does not change the first fact, and (b) destructive of our cause, because it wastes energy that could be directed against the enemy and creates the madhouse atmosphere that repulses quality people. It is also self-destructive, because more and more people come to realize that such sowers of discord need to be shunned.

      In Wallace’s case, it is compounded by obvious disingenuousness, e.g., pretending that there is something odd about asserting a connection between Jews and circumcision.

    • Cass Sunstein's Gravatar Cass Sunstein
      June 22, 2011 - 4:45 pm | Permalink


      Just explain to me how Mexicans and Iranian Muslims carrying on at Counter-Currents about enslaving and raping White women is helpful to the pro-White cause.

      Those are the kind of people that Greg Johnson associates with. Those are the kind of people who Greg has emphatically stated should not be “shunned.” Remember, they are an important voice that deserves to be heard.

      But, half of our entire race, we don’t need them. We shouldn’t be “hen pecked” into, say, deleting comments that endorse raping women.

      As for this idea that we need to appeal to all kinds of people, my response to that is that we don’t need the kooks, the sociopaths, the alienated weirdos who seek out marginalization, etc.

      For every one of those we attract, you repulse a hundred ordinary folks.

    • June 22, 2011 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

      As usual, Cass Sunstein misrepresents what was discussed at Counter-Currents. The whole point of pointing out to the legend of the abduction of the Sabine women was to prevent the extinction of the ancient Romans. Yes: the story has a moral, and in that CC thread I quoted part of the Wikipedia lead paragraph:


      The Rape of the Sabine Women is an episode in the legendary history of Rome in which the first generation of Roman men acquired wives for themselves from the neighboring Sabine families. The English word “rape” is a conventional translation of Latin raptio, which in this context means “abduction” rather than its prevalent modern meaning of sexual violation.

      / end quote

      I’ll leave the Iranian to respond himself. But it is high time to shun and ignore Sunstein’s ubiquitous misrepresentations, here and in his blog, of the actual content of the Counter-Current threads and articles.

      Incidentally, for those unaware of how Sunstein (Hunter Wallace) misrepresents our points, take note of his long exchange with Trainspotter that I put together: here.

    • June 22, 2011 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

      Thanks Matt, thanks Chechar.

      Take a look at Hunter’s line about me publishing comments by “Mexicans” about “raping and enslaving” white women, which calls up images of Mestizo rapists. Then compare it to the truth of the matter: a white man who lives in Mexico speaking about the Roman myth of the rape (meaning abduction) of the Sabine women. This is only one of literally thousands of lies that Wallace has told in his online career.

      Hunter Wallace is a liar. And his lies are so clumsy and easily refuted that they cannot be the products of cool deliberation. They are the products of a pathological compulsion, a man with a mind as distorting as a fun-house hall of mirrors. Everything he says — every single pie chart on his website — is the product of the same cracked brain. He might tell the truth from time to time, but only by accident.

      A man who lies like this obviously has contempt for his audience. And he should, because anyone who eats shit and grins and asks for more deserves contempt.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      July 15, 2011 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

      With this, I am not defending Cass Sunstein, nor am I belittling all of the work that Mr. Johnson has done.

      I have read many of the posts and comments at Counter-Currents, including the recent articles by Mr. Devlin. Cass Sunstein, whatever his motives could be, is far from thoroughly misrepesenting the views on women that can be found in great abundance at the site. And that is more than enough.

      If a significant percentage of us believe in the views expressed in “Sexual Utopia in Power, Part 4″ (as well as those stated in the supportive comments to such filth), we deserve to fail.

      After all, if you believe that around half of the members of your people are inherently stupid, immoral and defective, and deserving of disrespect, distrust and mistreatment, why give a damn about preserving your race and heritage? And why wish such an anti-Rational, joyless and loveless vision on your own people?

    • July 15, 2011 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

      Mark: People have answered to your complains today at C-C today (see e.g., here) and precisely because you couldn’t answer with arguments you now come here, where most commenters are unaware of the ongoing debate at those four C-C threads on the ills of feminism. Be a man and respond to your critics in that arena.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      July 15, 2011 - 3:34 pm | Permalink


      I have not read those responses, and I probably will not. I certainly will not be responding to them.

      Those threads you refer to go well beyond the “ills of feminism,” and you know it.

      To accuse me of being “unmanly” for sharing my views on another site that deals with the same issues is idiotic.

      I have had enough.

    • July 15, 2011 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

      Since you are not going to read what I said there I am replying to you here. You said…

      It is fitting that a part of this repugnant piece [Roger Devlin’s article against feminism].
      It has become painfully clear that Yahweh is the diety worshipped by many of the contributors and commentators on this site, whether they fancy themselves as being Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Athiests or otherwise.
      So, enjoy your Judaic-inspired, female-loathing, anti-Reason, loveless and joyless sausage party out there in the wilderness, wherever that could be. I can assure you that nearly every European who truly loves his or her own people, and who has an appropriate and decent amount of respect for the rest of humanity, will not be coming. Nor should they entertain doing so.

      And at C-C I answered (edited):

      Mark, you are misunderstanding everything. It’s women’s beauty, specifically Aryan female beauty, the archetype that has captured my imagination to the point of fighting for a Sanctuary for the white race (an ethnostate). To say that my drive comes from Yahwehistic hate is precisely the opposite of the truth: it’s this “eternal feminine” archetype what moves me.

      What Devlin has shown us with these articles is that, like the tale of Jekyll/Hyde, feminism metamorphosed the minds Western women into something else. I remember the year I spent in a UK house with students from all over Europe. Bouyanna, a modest beautiful woman from Bulgaria (she told me she was married and that she was faithful to her husband) contrasted dramatically with the freaks from Western Europe that lived there. Since I was born in the late 1950s I saw the transition with my own eyes: from countless Bouyannas to the freaks I now see even among my close relatives.

      The whole point of [Roger Devlin’s] articles is that both men and women have been degraded with the sexual revolution and that the mores must be reverted if we are to survive.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      July 15, 2011 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

      That first line in the quote should read:

      “It is fitting that a part of this repugnant piece would end with a threatening warning to the female members of our race.”

  60. Facio's Gravatar Facio
    June 21, 2011 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    The cause that the White people would rally around is to fight for a society in which the system works for the White people as individuals.. Not the other way around..

    If you expect, that all Whites set their “egoism” aside, give up everything, their personal ambitions, the pursuit of their dreams and fight for the greater collective group, you are out of your mind.. White people are too smart for this nonsense..

    If the system doesn’t work for me, it doesn’t work. No one in their right mind is going to abandon the pursuit of their happiness, and take up the cause to fight to feed the ego of some benevolent elite, even if it is of the same race..

    Ever heard of the saying.. Money talks, bullshit walks??? Again!! Forget socialism.. that’s a road to nowhere..

    • June 21, 2011 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

      More childish hyperbole of the Ayn Rand variety. White Nationalists are collectivists, inescapably, because whenever the common good conflicts with individual interests, the common good must prevail. Capitalism puts private interests before the common good, thus breaking down all national and racial identity. The childish hyperbole is the assertion that White Nationalism thus entails some sort of Communist, collectivist dystopia as hatched in the febrile mind of Alissa Rosenbaum. Even National Socialist Germany was a capitalist society in the sense that there was private ownership of the means of production, individual initiative, etc. It was socialist only to the extent that private interests had to give way when they conflicted with the common good. Thus businesses could not ship jobs overseas to the non-white world or import non-white workers to depress the wage scale. As for individualism, Hitler’s comments in MEIN KAMPF on the importance of personality (meaning individual differences) as well as race make it clear that he understood that the fountainhead of creativity in culture, science, and industry is individual genius. Thus a healthy society gives the greatest possible latitude and support for talented individuals — as long as they do not conflict with the common good. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. National Socialism might as well be called National Capitalism, since it is socialist only in the ethical sense of placing the common good above private interests when the two conflict, but it is not socialist in the economic sense of nationalizing the means of production and imposing a centrally planned economy.

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 21, 2011 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

      Lets just say that the only thing we agree upon is that we both see that the Jews are the problem. As far as what are our ideas as to how to solve this problem, we are worlds apart. Seriously! The medicine might be worst then the disease..

  61. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    June 21, 2011 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I am a “mature advocate” for White interests who has a greatly improved understanding of fundamental issues as a result of Greg’s work and the Counter Currents Web site. Counter Currents is a great antidote to the kind of unclear thinking that would lead a White advocate to consider wasting money on Ron Paul.

    • Cass Sunstein's Gravatar Cass Sunstein
      June 22, 2011 - 4:28 pm | Permalink


      Let’s get something straight here: I am not involved in your “movement.”

      For some reason, you confuse your “movement” with White people who are instinctively pro-White or who care about their race and culture, over 95 percent of whom have never been involved in the “movement.”

      There are millions of White Americans who are racially conscious. They don’t want to be involved in the “movement.” What does the “movement” offer them?

      Oh wait, how could I have forgotten: we are going to merge the United States with France and Russia in order to create an “aristocracy” of Nazi Hyperboreans who will rule the world from the North Pole!

      Ah, you just have a “different approach.” We can all work together for the greater good. Why can’t we all just get along here?

      I suppose this includes your recent discussions at Counter-Currents about raping women? Raping women, now there is something that needs to be part of the White Nationalist platform!

      The last thing we need to do is to drive away people who fantasize about raping “nymphs,” right? As you said, they are an important voice that must be heard.

      Don’t mind those guys. They only think raping your White daughter or sister is how we will revive our decaying society. There is room for people like that in White Nationalism.

      That and people who spend their time pondering destroying Christianity and using eugenics to create elves from Lord of the Rings.

      Gosh, why are people like that marginalized? I don’t know. If they were only on CBS News, the lemmings would agree with their reforms.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 22, 2011 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

      Mr. Sunstein,

      I have enjoyed reading some of your comments to this post. A few are truly thought-provoking and funny.

      Here, I would like to point out that it would be a mistake to dismiss people who have an interest in WW2 revisionism, or people who admire and respect some aspects of National Socialist Germany, as “kooks.” I do not think it needs to be said that a person who has such interests, or who feels that educating people about all of the lies we have been told about that period would have an important impact on how we approach the problems we face today, is not, by default, a “Neo-‘Nazi'” or a mad eugenicist.

      As I commented at the Hoosier Nation site, I respect Mr. Johnson and his view of Libertarianism, as well as Mr. Parrott and his work. I am very disturbed by what you wrote about certain comments that were supposedly made about rape at the Counter-Currents site. I have not seen them, myself.

  62. June 21, 2011 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    While it was wrong to shut down AR’s conferences, JT is just despicable, I think Alex Linder put it very well a year ago:

    Haven’t visted The Turd’s site since maybe last year. Today I looked at it, and tried to see it anew. What I realized was…just scan the page, and don’t think. Now what do you feel/perceive/see with your eyes rather than your brain.

    You see that the site is as much anti-Muslim as anything.

    So…The Turd “doesn’t” take a position on the jewish question. He just

    – prevents jews from being discussed in line with the same taboos that prevail in general society (ie, society under the sway of jewish politicians and mass media)
    – pays jews to write and speak for his group
    – spends at least half his editorial effort attacking Muslims

    What is pro-White about Jared Taylor? Nothing.

    What is pro-jew about Jared Taylor? Every single thing he says and does.

    • Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
      June 21, 2011 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

      Good point! In my mind, it’s pretty clear that Jared Taylor is controlled opposition.. or he’s just straight out stupid.. if you’re looking for an alliance with Jews to restore White America, you have lost your marlballs… that seems to be the case with him..

    • June 21, 2011 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

      This is childish hyperbole. What is pro-white about Jared Taylor? For a sober assessment of Taylor’s strengths and limits, see my review of his most recent book WHITE IDENTITY:

    • Cass Sunstein's Gravatar Cass Sunstein
      June 21, 2011 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

      Umm … a sober assessment would be that Jared Taylor doesn’t sound like a Neo-Nazi kook and you anything he writes can be used to win people over to the pro-White cause, as opposed to driving them away.

    • Bear's Gravatar Bear
      June 22, 2011 - 8:34 am | Permalink

      There is no point to attacking American Renaisance or Jared Taylor. They might avoid the Jewish question but they do outstanding work that has brought many people onto the first step of White conciousness and that usually leads to a progression anyway. He doesn’t attack ‘us’ so don’t attack them.

      If all the jews stepped on spaceship to alpha centauri it would be half the job we would still have plenty of problems to deal with.

      Keep the guns pointed firmly at the true enemy at all times!

      There is a danger of all movements fragmenting and atomising into splinter groups each spending more energy fighting each other to establish the one true ‘religion’.

      To be honest Shiva, I suspect your post is agitprop designed to sew discontent and division.

  63. Heather Blue's Gravatar Heather Blue
    June 21, 2011 - 3:31 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like anybody that takes over my culture and nation. They seem to feel we should love them because they are poor or persecuted or have a situation that is wretched and miserable. Why? They don’t like us. How did they get to be our problem? Why is it so important for us not to hate them when their presence is a threat to our existence? Not only that but I fed up with the white people who seem to feel obligated to do things for them.

    A friend of mine said he was supposed to help anybody who needed it. What happens if he runs out of resources to help Blacks and Hispanics? Will they help him? We know the answer…they will not. He will be off their radar or a target for physical harm. All non-whites are hostile to white people. How does he fail to see that?

    As we can see, alien groups want us to love them only so long as there is something in it for them. Otherwise, our brotherly love doesn’t mean a thing. I suggest to those generously giving our country away. Don’t give my country away and don’t hand over the things my people built. You were not given that right. Assisting these forces destroying our future has nothing to do with being good.

    I am also fed up with Whites who don’t do their part in our struggle. How did they get a free pass? White survival is the responsibility of everybody. Why do they think they are off the hook? There is more to it than waking up the white masses; it is their duty to stand up and be counted. I feel strongly about this. Only a handful of us are fighting the good fight while the others waltz around doing their own thing or doing nothing.

    This struggle is everybody struggle from the top down. There are no excuses.

  64. Eumaeus's Gravatar Eumaeus
    June 21, 2011 - 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Star Trek is more popular for a lot of reasons starting with talented writers, a big budget ,big production values and mass media distribution. We only have talented writers and they havent got us very far, but we’re better off with than without them.

    Also Star Trek draws on the existing cultural paradigm of Enlgihtenment rationalism, that is at the core of the Judeo-Protestant Anglo-American capitalist society that we live in today. For example, diversity and tolerance are taken straight from the Masonic script from the French revolution against “priests and kings” that reached its logical extent in the enfranchisement of Jews. Another: social salvation through technology– taken straight from the Enlightenment extention of the Protestant idea that men could band together and in a big Utopian push of cleverness, change human nature and society. The Puritans were finally kicked out of England for this and they came here. Puritan social engineering without the religious overtones was adopted in the French revolution and reached fullfillment in Marxism and the 1960s Jewish Frankfurt school march through the institutions. Here we are now. Point is, WN is a thing so fundamentally conservative it is really going back to pre-Enlightenment and Pre-Reformation ideas of social organization and social justice. Capitalism as a construct of the Post Reformation Enlightenment age is itself fundamentally at odds with white nationalism and needs to be jettisoned. But Star Trek does not paint any kind of future that questions the existing American capitalist paradigm does it. So WN advocates a big cultural change but Star Trek is just a fun show for the sheeple.

    Who cares? Nobody sitting around watching star trek is going to accomplish much. They are the useless consumers who take what they are offered. If we had the power to feed them a different entertainment product they would slop that up too like hogs.

    Greg understands that obviously when he talks of Ron Paul but there is a lot that Greg leaves out because he is probably intentionally dumbing down his content.

    Great essay anyhow, Matt Parrott keep up the good work.

    • June 21, 2011 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

      I did not say that Star Trek is more popular than WN, although it is. Popularity is not the relevant point here. I said that it is astonishing that something as silly as Star Trek (or a host of other pop culture phenomena) manages to motivate so much zeal and activity in the real world, whereas White Nationalism, which is infinitely more serious and important in the cosmic scheme of things, is so marginal.

      OK, nobody persecutes Trekkies. But I bet that if they were persecuted, they would still manage to hold more annual conferences than WNs!

      So let’s control for the persecution factor. There are countless examples of people who have killed and died for religious beliefs that are patently absurd. But White Nationalism, which is an infinitely more serious and rational cause, is treated like a game and a hobby even by the people who pose as leaders. Again, why is that?

      The answer I pose in the offending essay is: WNs are overwhelmingly nostalgic, conservative, and backwards looking, and these are symptoms of decadence — organic devitalization. This Nietzschean-Spenglerian critique of backwards-looking conservatism and preservationism is also explored in my essay “Why Conservatives STILL Can’t Win”:

      What is the answer? I am working on an essay called “The Vision Thing,” which will explain this in more detail. But the short answer is the idea of destiny. The life force of the strong, the visionaries projects the idea of a destiny, and the idea of destiny stirs the life force in those who are natural followers.

      This notion of destiny does not necessarily mean progress in the modern liberal sense, since the most important things are fixed and permanent and cannot be improved upon. But it does hold open the possibility of the biological perfection of the race and also the continued perfection of less important things like science and technology. The essential thing, though, is a sense of our place in the universe, and sense that it is a GOOD place, that the world would be a worse place without us.

      Jews have survived not because they have focused merely on survival, but because they have a sense of destiny unmatched by other peoples: the notion (risible though it may seem) that they are a light unto the nations, that they make the world a better place, and — more to the point — that world dominion is promised them. Focusing merely of preservation does not lead to preservation. It is like trying to fall asleep by thinking about falling asleep. Racial preservation is secured as a by product of the pursuit of a vitalizing notion of our destiny as a people.

  65. eurodele's Gravatar eurodele
    June 21, 2011 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Joe Webb: “Any ‘philosophy’ worthy of the name will be completely based on socio-biology. That is, it will be scientifically verifiable. Individualism , the libertarian brand, is in direct conflict with socio-biology which demonstrates than man is a social animal first and foremost , whose personal and collective survival demands a certain subordination to the social group to insure the survival of the group and its genes.”

    Sociobiology is clearly an important aspect of a coherent, comprehensive philosophy, but not its entire basis. Any philosophy based on sociobiology alone would amount to a Darwinist form of materialism, which is logically invalid and a complete philosophical and scientific dead end. Were Whites to adopt a philosophy like that en masse, their worth would be diminished to just that of the philosophy itself.

    Being an empirical science, sociobiology can never provide a route to certifiable truth on a level of discourse capable of imparting meaning and value to human existence. This level of truth is required as a stimulant and guide for our “animal vitality”. Without it, White racialism is based on nothing but a hypothetical group survival instinct in which the vast majority of Whites are evidently deficient.

    Personally, my affinity for the White race does not rely on the physical and intellectual qualities of the average White person. In this day and age, the average White person is a major disappointment in almost every respect – stupid, easily distracted and indoctrinated, apathetic in every respect save its materialistic aspirations, resembling a pampered, powdered brat with its snotty, bloodied nose pressed against the glass of the Jewish media showroom, drooling in its mindless desire to emulate the parasitic behavior of the proprietors even as it and its siblings are effortlessly kicked and muscled aside by violent, resentful blacks and mestizos.

    Rather, it comes from three facts. First, White is what I am, and personal self-affirmation properly includes the racial level of identity. (I could also report that several of my ancestors were among the first wave of English settlers to this country in the 1620’s and 30’s, a century and a half prior to the American Revolution, but that’s almost beside the point on a racial level of generality.) Secondly, the best members of the White race are uniquely associated with certain virtues that are integral to the building and maintenance of an advanced civilization offering people what they need to achieve a meaningful and fulfilling existence. And thirdly, for all of their sometimes-pathetic deficiencies, most other members of the White race have honored those people and cooperated with them to an extent allowing that potential to be realized (and in that alone, Whites are special).

    Any philosophy worth embracing must be based on logic, truth, the verifiable existence of a coherent racial level of identity, and the (statistically) unique qualities and eudaemonic achievements of the White race. Such a philosophy obviously accommodates sociobiology. But just as obviously, sociobiology comes nowhere close to furnishing it with a basis.

    • Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
      June 21, 2011 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

      Eurodele, you comments promised a deepening and widening of my brief claim re socio-biology. Your last paragraph however, did nothing to extend the argument, and just recapitulated a socio-biological argument. What is “logic”, what is “truth,” what is “the verifiable existence of a coherent racial level of identity?”

      All the complexity of thought and feeling can be objectively described, correlated to intelligence metrics, temperment metrics, history, literary achievements, you name it. You have not succeeded in sketching an ancillary “philosophy” to socio-biology. or Bio-Culture as M. O’Meara calls it.

      You cannot define Truth by “truth” , etc. This is not logic. Every claim is subject to examination, rigorous examination. Start with Identical twins, that is the easiest scientific case for teasing out culture and environment (including injury, nutrition, etc. ) factors.

      Culture comes from the genes, It is that simple. However, what is dimly recognized or perceived by person A, may be perfectly seen and understood by Person B (of the same race more or less.) Competence recognizes genius.
      “intuition” recognizes what a more fully aware person can see clearly.

      There is nothing outside of bio-culture. Our culture is constructed slowly by very intelligent and highly refined sensibility. That is, our civilized culture.

      The coarseness factor is just part of our lower animal functions, sex and violence, and greed, and power-lust. These we will always have with us, but the higher functioning can keep it in check. Eugenics can get us higher, etc.
      It is all the genes/alleles. The subtlest feelings and perceptions are based in the genes.

      If folks don’t have the alleles they will not feel or think into the sublime (music for example) nor will they ever figure anything out except, that they should follow their betters.

      Tell me what else there is, please. Joe

  66. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    June 21, 2011 - 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I do agree about Ron Paul tho. I wouldn’t support him, if he were any kind of threat to the hymies he wouldn’t get anywhere near the nomination.

  67. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    June 21, 2011 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

    The most liberal tv news channels and newspapers are going bankrupt. That shows what White Americans think about jews and liberals policies. The Tea Party is full of White Americans who are fed up.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

      Yes but very, very few Whites understand the role of Jewish influence in destroying their culture. Probably less people are aware of Jewish power today than they were 50 years ago.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 21, 2011 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

      If the economy keeps deteriorating, whites will wake up in no time. Just the fact that Americans now see hegemonic news agencies as false mechanisms of biased fraud is enough to start the dominoe effect. Look what happened when Gorbachev destroyed the hegemony of the communist business model by offering “options.” This new stance destroyed the carefully crafted “truth” promulgated by the government and was perceived by the people as weakness and thus facilitated the downfall of the Soviet Union. The tribe wants nothing more than to go back to the good ol days of news hegemony where they completely controlled the herd mentality of the American masses. But they will never ever get it back and the first dominoe has already fallen. The only thing that is promised in this world is change and their power paradigm is being further subverted with every coming day. Historically, the people always wake up as propaganda simply cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

  68. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    June 21, 2011 - 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Fractional reserve banking has made Wall St the only street in town. Rolling bubbles, first NASDAQ, then property, now Treasuries. Every time the pop comes, the chips get swept off to one corner of the table only.

    Intellectual property has made Hollywood, the recording and publishing industries rich.

    As per Facio Libre, anything that disempowers Washington and its laws disempowers its controllers.

  69. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    June 21, 2011 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    If the Jews control the State, then it is quite logical for us to be working towards the goal of weakening the State.. The less power the State wields, the less power the Jews wield over us.. If there are whites who wish to engage in collective pursuits in a libertarian society, they are free to do so, if they can manage to organize themselves on their own.. or perhaps some of the WN elitists on this board worry that most Whites would prefer not to join their collective pursuits?? And they would like the state to coerce the cattle into joint action.. Yeah, I think this might be the case.. Count me out!

    The way to deal with Jews, in my mind, is to simply make Jews and Judaism illegal.. If you’re a Jew you go to jail for being apart of a crime syndicate.. after a very long sentence of hard labor (work sets you free) you get your ass deported.. PERIOD!

  70. Facio Libre's Gravatar Facio Libre
    June 21, 2011 - 10:39 am | Permalink

    White Nationalism isn’t wining over the White masses because it’s wrapped up in Socialism. If we want to make progress, let us lose Socialism, bury it, and never speak of it again.. It doesn’t work, it never worked, and it certainly won’t be that spark that ignites the “animal vitality” within every and each White.. just ask any White (non-jew or non-shabbas goyim) from former eastern block European country what they think of socialist utopias..

  71. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    June 21, 2011 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    No one will “lead” Whites out of the morass in which we find ourselves. Only when everything crashes around us and we have no place to retreat will we jointly summon the courage – and anger – of our ancestors to throw off the yoke of confusion and misguided compassion. The meme of social liberalism has been implanted in our children and only a catyclysmic disaster will open their eyes to reality. Separatism or fleeing to another country are pie-in-the-sky. We must stay and stand where we are, victorious!

  72. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    June 21, 2011 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    Sam Davidson’s post wasn’t there until I had posted my comment. Now that I read his post, he says what I believe and he says it perfectly.

  73. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    June 21, 2011 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    Greg thinks our biggest problem is convincing other White people that diversity is bad.

    I disagree. The majority of White Americans oppose what is being done to us and what is happening to the United States. We just have no outlet or way to stop it.

    Ron Paul may be the worst thing to happen to us – but we are shut out from choosing our own candidate and we would be shut out of tv and other public forums even if we had Jesus Christ as our candidate.

    White people simply have no power because the fgd jew controls everything. We have no way to express our opposition even on the op ed pages of our local papers.

    If we had a say we would take our nation back. So the problem is not convincing other Whites, its finding a way to exercise our rights and give Whites a voice.

    I have been banned from joining because of something I must have said which I don’t even remember. Probably defending Mel Gibson. They won’t let me join and pay $15 per month and will not tell me why. That is how they control everything. I am powerless to do anything about this which is wrong. We have no power. That is the problem.

    • Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
      June 21, 2011 - 10:07 am | Permalink

      Its not that you have no power, your just not EQUAL eneugh! lol

  74. Sam Davidson's Gravatar Sam Davidson
    June 21, 2011 - 8:48 am | Permalink

    I have always disliked that particular essay by Dr. Johnson.

    Star Trek is more popular than WN because it’s allowed to be broadcast. How many times have WNs been on TV? Of that number, how many times was it an edited soundbyte whose sole purpose was to make us seem like lunatics?

    The fruitiness of Tolkein societies and Trekkie conventions is allowed to continue because they don’t have to worry about multi-million dollar attack organizations like the SPLC or ADL from suing them into oblivion. They also don’t have to worry about bomb threats, bogus charges, and federal informants.

    • Sam Davidson's Gravatar Sam Davidson
      June 21, 2011 - 11:04 am | Permalink

      Anyway, this is a minor point. Greg Johnson is otherwise a fine writer and I agree with most of his ideas.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 21, 2011 - 6:25 pm | Permalink

      You don’t get converts by comparing them to trekkies. That’s just out of line and a slap in the face. You get converts by preaching love, protection, and identity. But I guess that’s just too high-brow for good ol Greggy.

  75. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 21, 2011 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    Captainchaos and all;
    Facism, along with all the other false Gods, Chistianity, Islam, Judaism, communism, and especially Capitalism, will NOT keep technology from mixing the races. Because it is based on the same false premise as the rest…humans are “special”, different from and better than animals…
    Until we acknowledge Nature and Natures laws as the ONLY God of the Universe we will continue to destroy ourselves.
    The dignity of self however, is very natural. Each person needs for his survival a space and identity specific to HIM. Thus racial, sexual separation is healthy for all, not just white people. The danger is in starting to “worship” separation for its own sake, rather than a means of living in harmony with Nature and each other.

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 21, 2011 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

      So Henry, since you can’t tell the difference between a human and an animal, does this mean you advocate beastiality?LMAO Following your juvenile logic to conclusion would easily dictate your agreement.
      And what are the laws of nature, social darwinism-survival of the fittest? Or do you mean nature worship in general? Please be specific as I find your reason fascinating.

    • Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
      June 21, 2011 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

      Henry, historical fascism is the closest “ideology” to Nature. Since we want a thought system that accords with the truths of nature or socio-biology in the case of humans, then clearly nothing comes closer than historical fascism.

      That said, historical fascism was faulty in various ways, particularly in the Fuhrer Prinzip in the case of Germany. Now, one can argue that the Fuhrer Prinzip is in accord with nature in that primal hordes had them, just as gangs today have them. However, just as the Germanic peoples demanded elected chiefs and had checks on them as well, and our recent history has seen a gradual check on our leaders, thru law, etc., it is arguable that thru time we have cultured our culture and come up with constitutionalism, and so on. We do evolve.

      The Catholic Church provides a good Real example of governance that reflects White genetic tendencies. It has been argued by some scholars that the Church had a good deal to do with developing norms of reason and reasonable discussion amongst peers.

      Arguably, with very bad times, the Maximum Leader becomes attractive. However, we are not talking about very bad times for a general political theory of how Whites can govern themselves. In other words, Hitler might have been more or less inevitable given the times, but that does not mean that peacetime would be like wartime.

      Peacetime fascism would follow the rules of race, racial exclusivism, capitalist nationalism, eugenics, respect for individuality, espec free speech, and rule of law. It would also do away with libertinism, sexual, free-loading, anti-social behavior in general. What is anti-social? vicious attacks on White people, literal or figurative, which have a clearly psychopathic character.

      Is this collectivistic? somewhat. so what? We are not liberals, we are White Nationalists who put our race first, not our libertine “freedom.”

      To posit some kind of “Nature’s Laws” without specifying them, begs our question. Moreover, nature’s laws in our White situation, is not some “social darwinism” of any libertarian and individualist type, but a darwinism that focused on our Group, our racial group. Group survival, not individual survival, is nature’s law. kin selection, group or race selection, is the “law”. Anything else is without standing. Joe

  76. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    June 21, 2011 - 6:47 am | Permalink

    Well, “reluctant haters” can be found in all religions and nationalities. Some of those who have attracted the Jewish Lobby in the recent past includes Salman Rushde, Irshad Manji, Hirsi Ali, Malcolm X, Israel Shamir, Roger Tucker, Gilad Atzmon, etc.

  77. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    June 21, 2011 - 5:54 am | Permalink

    You people need to remember, (or learn) one of the most fundamental laws of Nature,…Polarity.
    Equality, as defined by liberals, doesn’t exist in Nature and never will. Indeed, it doesn’t exist in America either, in spite of all the hoopla, its just that black empowerment SEEMS equal to black people, just as female empowerment seems equal to women.
    That said, it is true that polarities can shift and hierarchies can re-arrange themselves…
    When women become free, men become slaves.
    When blacks gain power, whites lose it…simple.
    All the rhetoric of preacher/politicians that “equality” is both desireable and attainable, indeed that it CAN EXIST is just BS, Rabbit Pills, etc.
    Newton’s (a white man I think) Third Law of Motion states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
    When ownership…of slaves, women, children, property* etc. shifted from individuals to the state, the only thing that changed was a transfer of title..there are still owners and slaves.

    * In effect, you only OWN that which you don’t have to pay taxes on, like your hand tools and the clothes on your back.

  78. Free Thinkers's Gravatar Free Thinkers
    June 21, 2011 - 5:23 am | Permalink

    Resist the Brave New World
    The most important thing we can do is to tell all that we have contact with ALL , by chit chat , that the MSM is owned by Israelis and their affiliates through out the western world. And that these people are promoting multiculturalism by social brainwashing to destroy the European Peoples so that they can control our civilization and eventually the world as their god decree’s .

    When you watch the MSM, when you buy their publications you feed this machine .DON’T FEED THE MACHINE ! Starve the machine . Get your minds free so you don’t feel intimidated by the push button words.

    How many times do you people have to be told not to use the word White , White Power , White Rights ,White Nationalism etc etc .This is the language of Bikies , Drug Gangs ,the most ignorant of the lower classes who lack any sort of identity through ( historical )education And of course our enemies with their propaganda and this last one is the reason why ‘white’ need this to be replaced Euro-American . The Word is Euro-American [EU-Am-I . could be a slogan] .If you hope to convert the middle classes you’d better change your language because I can tell you that without the educated and literate on our side , you may as well throw a brick through a window and go to jail.
    You can’t honestly believe that this 2 % of Western population who have spent 100 years to take over USG are suddenly going to let Euro-Americans organize into a body that can oppose them . You Joke .
    The only way you can oppose them is to close ranks and the only way you can close ranks is to create ranks and the only way you are going to create ranks is to make conversions .And those conversions can only be made by helping them to see what’s going on and the first step to that is turning off the MSM or at the least taking very controlled doses through DVD recorder etc . TV is evil and the prime instrument of social control , that means the enslavement of Eu-Am’s and all the other European Peoples of the world.
    Enslavement by endless consumer novelties that offer identity by advertising your status , personality , …….Until the new toy comes along….and to maintain your status-identity…you have to work your ass off to get that new toy , that new piece of social necessity , …So at the end of your life you can count up how many toys you were able to buy and so how successful your life was! Sucker.
    If you want to go far love your children in a sincere , strong , un-indulgent and very thoughtful way and don’t fall victim to the Brave New World that is being constructed around us. The brainwashing of the MSM that make us feel weak and inadequate unless we conform to THEIR order. Resist .

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 21, 2011 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

      Free thinker I agree with your analysis. The term “white” has been hijacked and butchered as a racist slur. I think Euro-American is good, or Anglo. You can always tell anti-marxist historians as they use the term Anglo instead of white. Whereas, any historical monograph with the term “white” in the title is most-assuredly incorporating an anti-white, Marxist lens.

    • June 21, 2011 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

      How many times do you people have to be told not to use the word White , White Power , White Rights ,White Nationalism etc etc .This is the language of Bikies , Drug Gangs ,the most ignorant of the lower classes who lack any sort of identity through ( historical )education And of course our enemies with their propaganda and this last one is the reason why ‘white’ need this to be replaced Euro-American .

      You’ll have to keep telling me some more times, buddy. I plan to continue using “White”. “Euro-American” smacks of try-hard and feels disingenuous when it rolls of my tongue. I’ve tried to use it on the street, only to have the people smirk and say “Oh, you mean White people” or “You mean, like, the Polish immigrant in Apartment D?”

      Remember in A Conversation About Race, the part where the school teacher did that lesson on racism? The takeaway from that is that “white” still means pure, virginic, clean, wholesome, safe, and bright – on a nearly instinctive level. People don’t cringe when they hear the word “white”, they only cringe at the thought that White folks are acting in their own interests – a problem that has nothing to do with lexical shenanigans.

    • Donald's Gravatar Donald
      June 21, 2011 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

      Free Thinkers says: “How many times do you people have to be told not to use the word White, White Power, White Rights,
      White Nationalism, etc., etc .”

      Some kind of discussion will always go on about our preferred name. In fact, a somewhat shifting nomenclature, along with an accompanying debate, could be helpful. Taken to the extreme, we could learn to play the name-game which dictates that whenever the government & MSM accept one name, we would change it just to keep in the face of the multiculti crowd. Most of us still think we are just Americans.

      But “white” isn’t a problem, it’s just an adjective, it’s not a noun. On the West Coast, we see different names used including “Minority White Community” (in a large city in which we find ourselves with 20% population share) and including “the diverse white American peoples,” often shortened to “the diverse white Americans.”

      A staged debate within our own demographic about this has a great advantage because it keeps the focus on us and our aspirations. The worst thing would be some kind of deadening influence that would force us all to adopt some “approved” label.

    • Free Thinker's Gravatar Free Thinker
      June 22, 2011 - 3:37 am | Permalink

      Hey M Parrott, I’m with you; of course you don’t have to use this to the converted and perhaps we have to choose our audience, but what I’m trying to say is the word needs to be put into circulation to be used as a foil in the propaganda war against the bigoted left and the brainwashed who the minute they hear the word White go into a trained mode, much like the word anti-Semitic is designed to invoke guilt and fear in the accused. White immediately conjures up the violent racist hater as that is the propaganda training. Euro-American or Euro-Australian etc is virtually impossible to twist. We can even be righteous when using this word, which sends our enemies into a cold sweat. This is why Jews thought up the word anti semitic. Its very difficult to deconstruct, because it’s a bullshit word. But it sounds like sin and sex which helps to trigger a fearful reaction. This is why I use the word anti-sem: it degrades the meaning, moving it off its indoctrinated base, cheapening the word, de-officalizing it.

      Euro-Am also includes all the white people of the world, American’s are not alone in being attacked. This is a world wide conspiracy. To break the ethnic power of the European peoples of the world and impose Jewish power on us.

    • June 22, 2011 - 8:54 am | Permalink

      I see your points, but continue to believe we’re innately ill-equipped to take on our opponents at the lexical games they excel at. Jews have an especially high verbal intelligence and they have the bullhorn, so it’s tactically unwise to try to actually outperform them on this particular front.

      Given our tactical position and our qualities, I believe our optimal tactic is one of appealing to simplicity and objectivity – flipping the table over rather than trying to play our cards better than them. When they say “anti-Semitic”, denounce it as a lexical smear and demand they either define the word or offer your own ironic definition of “somebody a Jew hates”. When asked, say you’re critical of Jewish influence in politics and culture, but don’t “hate” Jews or wish to see them harmed.

      Let’s expose the hustle, not try to get in on it. People like being shown how a trick works and people caught playing tricks on them lose credibility. Give people the tools to deconstruct Orwellian weasel words and they’ll gladly carry those tools with them when they’re reading the paper, watching the news, and bickering at the dinner table.

      We’re better off calling out their Orwellian lexical games and sticking to the most simple, intuitive, and objective language possible. We lack the institutional control to promote and maintain our own Orwellian changes to the language, and wouldn’t be as good as Jews are at it even if we tried hard.

  79. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    June 21, 2011 - 5:06 am | Permalink

    Somebody oughta phone up the white Spaniards who run the show in countries south of the border, and ask what possessed them to concoct a plan to dump their flotsam and jetsam on the Gringo. In fact, some of the Latin activists who appear on the Judaic zombie-box to argue in favor of extending “rights” to Pedro The Illegal Strawberry Picker, look whiter than Oktoberfest.
    Defending the very unwashed peasants whom they otherwise won’t touch with so much as a barge pole. It is the rest of us, in their view, who via increased taxation should be funding beneficios el públicos for their mustachioed women and men whose IQ is lower than the number of paid vacation days enjoyed by the workers of a rural Salvadoran whore-house.
    Might that ruling Spaniard elite not have gotten the memo that white racial solidarity reigns supreme ? I’m shocked, SHOCKED !

    P.S. Nowadays, the one thing which motivates white masses is the type of event where packs of sweaty gorillas would run around a field chasing an object. Usually accompanied by consumption of capacious quantities of low quality but affordable malted barley-based liquid. Depending on the outcome, such events could even trigger African-grade savagery.

    • June 21, 2011 - 6:36 am | Permalink

      The Soviet Union tried to stop their citizens from emigrating and all they got for their trouble was some former lifeguard bellowing at them that they were evil and needed to tear down the wall they erected to that purpose.

      Obviously the White Mexican elite would be insane to try to stop the less well off Mexicans from leaving to America.

      That would just turn the less well off Mexicans against them, putting them at risk for a racially motivated insurrection of some kind or the other which would end with someone like Hugo Chavez in charge of the country, and the polices of the Mexican government on emigration unchanged at best.

      Also there’s the issue that if Person A can’t defend himself when he’s in an infinitely better position to defend himself than Person B is to defend him, Person B usually isn’t going to feel any obligation to defend Person A.

      This is an example of the division of labor principle in action, and it’s probably embedded in human nature.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 6:55 am | Permalink

      Yes I agree, the Whites in Latin American countries love offloading their indigenous and mestizo populations on us. Wouldn’t you love to send all our blacks and hispanics to Canada? We need to remind people that this is a scam being perpetuated by the Mexican elite to pawn off their social problems on us.

      Wasn’t the lifeguard right? The Soviet Union was an evil.

    • June 21, 2011 - 2:41 pm | Permalink

      Wasn’t the lifeguard right?


      The point wasn’t whether or not Reagan was right to call the Soviet Union an evil empire.

      Rather the point was that to my knowledge only non-Democratic political entities have prohibited their citizens from leaving the political entity.

      The only two examples I can think of are the now defunct Ottoman Empire and the now defunct Soviet Union.

      Since Mexico is a democracy (a country where the White minority has disproportionate political and economic power, but a democracy still), I don’t think their government could stop the migration of people from Mexico to America unless they became a totalitarian or authoritarian state.

      My point in alluding to Reagan’s quote was to point out that a country turning to a totalitarian or authoritarian political system leaves it very vulnerable to moral grandstanders, and perhaps especially to American moral grandstanders.

      And it’s not like the American elite would slap the Mexican elite on the back if they stopped, or even just attempted to attenuate, the migration from Mexico to America anyway.

      Instead they’d probably be subjected to a cold shoulder, especially compared to all the fun business deals the American elite now likes doing with the Mexican elite.

      In other words taking a tremendous risk to help America would even cause the Mexican elite to have worse relations with America.

      Whites in Latin American countries love offloading their indigenous and mestizo populations on us…

      Probably, but it still doesn’t make sense to blame them given that they couldn’t stop the migration even if they wanted to.

      It’s similar to how millions of Blacks migrated from the American South to the North in the days of Jim Crow.

      This is extremely harmful to Whites in the North, but even if Whites Southerners happened to love unloading their Blacks on the North it doesn’t make sense to blame them for what happened.

      There was nothing White Southerners could’ve done to stop the Black migration to the North which wouldn’t have involved an absurd level of self-sacrifice and risk.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 6:54 pm | Permalink


      I see what you mean. Yes, it would be hard for the Mexican elites to stop migration to the North. And it is sadly true that our own elites welcome the immigration for reasons that are well known to readers of TOO.

      Now, if our elites felt differently, the Mexican government could at least stop encouraging immigration to the North (with maps and other forms of encouragement). But ultimately, the responsibility to stop it lies with the US.

  80. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    June 21, 2011 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    Foundational questions that have here gone unasked:

    Why are you personally concerned for the preservation of your race?

    If you are personally concerned for the preservation of your race, what political system do you wish for yourself and those you care for to live out your lives under, assuming that political system could at a minimum accomplish the preservation of your race?

    Do you think fascism is the only political system that can accomplish the preservation of your race?

    If you believe fascism is not the only political system that can accomplish the preservation of your race, why would you prefer fascism over other possible political systems that could also accomplish the preservation of your race?

    Each person should offer their own answers to these revealing questions.

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 4:43 am | Permalink

      In answering these questions in a manner you find subjectively convincing, you will have paved the way to convincing others psychologically similar to yourself. Different strokes for different folks, and yet all arrows more or less pointed in the same direction.

    • J. Winthrop II's Gravatar J. Winthrop II
      June 21, 2011 - 9:18 am | Permalink

      To build a White ethnostate in North America will require, at the very minimum, three things.

      Expulsion of the Jews. That has to be done before anything else can be accomplished.
      Next, outlawing miscegenation.
      Then deporting all other non-whites and closing the borders to any further non-white immigration.

      Any political philosophy compatible with those three basic laws could work. Libertarianism isn’t one of them. The fundamental libertarian principle that all acts between consenting adults are legitimate allows immigration, miscegenation, and jewish infiltration. It would lead inevitably, as it has in the US and the UK the two most libertarian countries of the nineteenth century, to complete jewish control.

      All you need to know about libertarianism can be summarized in one sentence.

      A society where everything is for sale will be bought by Jews.

    • June 21, 2011 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

      1. Why are you personally concerned for the preservation of your race?

      I am concerned for the preservation of my race because it’s the fountainhead of the creativity and beauty which I cherish.

      2. If you are personally concerned for the preservation of your race, what political system do you wish for yourself and those you care for to live out your lives under, assuming that political system could at a minimum accomplish the preservation of your race?

      If I had my druthers, it would be structured much the way England’s supposed to be structured, as a nominal theocracy with an elite entrenched at the helm which tolerates a variety of religious and political perspectives, employs a balanced blend of republican and democratic strategies for handling the problems of governing, and economically balances the need to be merciful with the weak and poor with the need to cultivate a dynamic and creative market.

      3. Do you think fascism is the only political system that can accomplish the preservation of your race?

      You would have to coherently define fascism before I could coherently answer that.

  81. Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
    June 21, 2011 - 4:19 am | Permalink

    Parrot, based on your short review I’m left wondering what’s so special about Greg??
    -He states all institutions of power are against us. Wow what a revelation! I’ve seriously never heard that before.
    -He states we’re angry and not motivating people to our cause. Again, this guy must be some kind of genius with such stellar observations. You mean to tell me it’s difficult to sell the message to whites when our power institutions stand against us?? UnBelievable!
    -He states we lack the “animal vitality” to effect change. Wow, no kidding. You mean its surprising that white’s aren’t lined up to do life in prison yet? Remarkable!
    – What remains hidden is Greg’s true intention when writing said piece. But what remains clear is that Greg ostensibly left out the “winning strategy” part. Whew, sigh, I feel safer already.
    Anyone can deconstruct and critique a movement as so industriously practiced by academia and tribe media. But critique can serve to build up or it can serve to abolish the will and depress the spirit with inescapable zero-sum outcomes. Sadly, Greg comes off as the latter. I can bet that the majority of readers on this site have found nothing new in Greggy boys arguments. But instead of preaching to the choir, it sounds like Gregg’s attempting to destroy the faith of the choir outright, a true crime to the commentors on this site.
    -Bottomline, Greggy boy sounds like a pessimist in true Schopenhauer fashion while failing to offer any fresh, new, insight. If he is the intellectual powerhouse you claim, then I would expect a creative strategy to address the obvious problems he highlights.
    – Final thought- Enticing arguments rarely trump experience. Those whites who have experienced hostility from non-whites(myself included) find the messages on this site comforting and obvious in their utility. Therefore I would argue and agree with fellow posters on this site who maintain that the “awakening” will fully form when the majority of whites have experienced something similar to the Duke Rape case or know of white friends who have been abused by an anti-white system. Until then, “animal instinct” will serve no other end but prison.
    – Like St. Augustine before him, Greg should keep his “confessions” to himself.

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 5:12 am | Permalink

      “But critique can serve to build up or it can serve to abolish the will and depress the spirit with inescapable zero-sum outcomes.”

      Everyone who is not merely a generic advocate of White preservation claims their way is the only way as an incentive for their audience to pay attention.

      “Greggy boy sounds like a pessimist in true Schopenhauer fashion while failing to offer any fresh, new, insight.”

      Schopenhauer thought any robust exercise of the will could only ultimately result in tragedy. That is not Johnson’s position. He believes a Nietzschean will to group power can produce triumph. It is his literary fascism that he hopes will be the thing to channel the unfocused “animal vitality” of our race. Of course if such an “animal vitality” no longer exists (due to dysgenics, or whatever) then there won’t be much to work with.

      My take: however anyone cares to dress it up, there will be no approach to White preservation that differs fundamentally from bribes and threats, er, carrots and sticks.

    • June 21, 2011 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

      Parrot, based on your short review I’m left wondering what’s so special about Greg??

      Greg’s special because he effectively conveys critical ideas, both through “philosophizing with a hammer” and through proposing new directions.

      Bottomline, Greggy boy sounds like a pessimist in true Schopenhauer fashion while failing to offer any fresh, new, insight. If he is the intellectual powerhouse you claim, then I would expect a creative strategy to address the obvious problems he highlights.

      “Greggy Boy” does explore real-world solutions, though he didn’t do so enough in this book, which was was I ended with a demand for a follow-up.

      My take: however anyone cares to dress it up, there will be no approach to White preservation that differs fundamentally from bribes and threats, er, carrots and sticks.

      They respond far better to mythic visions and epic crusades than direct appeals to base instincts. It’s positively comical how much concrete misery they’re willing to endure in defense of dearly-held abstractions. How else could one possibly explain the bizarre phenomenon of fathers scrambling to forgive gang rapists and begging the community to begin healing while his own daughter’s still coughing up blood.

      Sure, Whites do have instincts, and some do react in the instinctive way to such outrages. But as a group, with the elites within our group being the most abstract and least likely to suffer the real consequences that rattle the instincts, we don’t think like you think we think.

    • Daybreaker's Gravatar Daybreaker
      June 23, 2011 - 5:32 pm | Permalink

      Matt Parrott: “Greg’s special because he effectively conveys critical ideas, both through “philosophizing with a hammer” and through proposing new directions.”

      OK. What does he criticize, roughly. And for who, from what point of view?

      Matt Parrott: “They respond far better to mythic visions and epic crusades than direct appeals to base instincts.”

      This, I strongly agree with.

  82. June 21, 2011 - 2:46 am | Permalink

    The more I think on it, the more sure I am that it’s our good fortune we’ve got a pulsating Jew Problem in America. In and of themselves, WNs are a joke. But the Jews always overreach, as they are now doing in every institutional sector, and their eventual downfall will, in a kind of political hydraulics and after an extended Civil War, restore a (mostly) white republic. Needless to say, the casualty list among urban SWPLs and other white cosmics is going to be rather high. So sad.

  83. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 21, 2011 - 2:25 am | Permalink

    When Whites finally do wake up, the exact form of government and culture that prevails in the various White nations will not be identical. Europe, England, America, Australia and all the others have unique histories and peoples.

    The US will most likely always be far less socialistic then Europe. The people that came here were looking for a fair bit of independence in the first place and some of that is genetic. So, Germany, France, England, Ireland, Sweden, and New Zealand will all have their own unique forms of organization, and that seems legitimate to me.

    Perhaps if one yearns for more freedom and risk in life, one will stay an American. If one desires more of a collective life, then perhaps Europe will be a place to land.

    I only mention this to say that we don’t have to be in complete agreement over what form of government every last White person will live under in order to agree Whites need to protected.

    • Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
      June 21, 2011 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

      Is Europe a country too, Jason Speak? I believe England is part of European continent and the White folks who “conguered and occupied” both America and Australia – were mostly convicts from Britain.

      “The same Europe that we are now trumpeting as a model of pacifism has been built by wars, down to the last stone. The two World Wars, only recently fought – caused 100 million deaths including 60 million civilians. The Russian and Chinese Revolutions caused at least 50 million more deaths; actually, historians have recently revised it upward to 100 million. As far the 146 little wars since 1945, they have discreetly exterminated close to 30 million people – 75% of them civilians in the name of world power….” – Phillipe Delmas writing in “The Rosy Future of War”.

    • June 23, 2011 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

      I only mention this to say that we don’t have to be in complete agreement over what form of government every last White person will live under in order to agree Whites need to protected. Perhaps not in a worldwide sense, but here in the USA we will. We know that democracy, as practiced, has not worked well. Communism failed completely too, with the former USSR/CCCP the prime example. So, is National Socialism the only answer left, then?


      Let it be said here and now that any WN individual, group, or organization that tries to lure you into believing that NS is the only way to succeed is just another recycled Nazi, sans brownshirt or not.

      Yes, we white Americans need a new form of government, but National Socialism is not the answer.

  84. Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
    June 21, 2011 - 1:29 am | Permalink

    Parrott, one may be racially conscious and yet not stand in religious awe of literary fascism (i.e., “the first principles of Europe’s nascent New Right.”). To conflate feelings of the numinous one gets from reading a well crafted sentence with the flesh-and-blood reality of one’s race and the preservation of one’s race – or even going so far as to suggest the former ought succeed the latter in order of importance – is really just silly.

    You do know that, don’t you?

    I’m not saying that the ontological circle-jerk in progress at Majority Rights will yield better results. I’m just saying.

    • June 21, 2011 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

      Parrott, one may be racially conscious and yet not stand in religious awe of literary fascism (i.e., “the first principles of Europe’s nascent New Right.”).

      I would know, given that I was just such a person for most of my adult life. It was; however, only after obtaining a more full understanding of the spiritual aspects of our struggle that I became truly imbued with what Greg might call “animal spirits”.

      The mnemonic I have scribbled on a post-it note beside my monitor reads: Tribe, Tradition, Transcendence. Tradition is, in my conception, a ladder upon which we can transcend our material selves and approach the spirit which animates our tribe. The European “New Right” ideologues are operating outside the material and mercantile palette from which liberal and modern ideologies are derived.

      I wouldn’t be appropriately defined as a Radical Traditionalist or perhaps even as a New Right ideologue, given that I disagree with the key thinkers on so many critical issues. For instance, I disagree with Guenon’s dichotomy between worldly knowledge and traditional wisdom, believing the two can and should be reconciled after the apparent incompatibilities and inconsistencies are resolved. While Evola’s critique of modernity is damning and his analysis of the Occult War is indispensable, his muddled, failed, and even silly prescriptions are unstable foundations upon which to build a coherent worldview.

      To conflate feelings of the numinous one gets from reading a well crafted sentence with the flesh-and-blood reality of one’s race and the preservation of one’s race […] is really just silly.

      Once you recognize that our flesh and blood nature condemns us as a people to be dwell in a realm of abstractions and rally to action only in the pursuit of a Crusade, you’ll abandon all this tiresome nonsense about preserving chromosomes and phenotypes. Our race is the product of millennia of selection for brilliance and beauty. It’s the brilliance and beauty of our race which is to be cherished. The material considerations behind that are of secondary concern, necessary within political reality to enable stopgap measures to hold the selective progress which was made while we try to restore an order which our brilliance and beauty can be gradually perfected.

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

      “Once you recognize that our flesh and blood nature condemns us as a people to be dwell in a realm of abstractions and rally to action only in the pursuit of a Crusade, you’ll abandon all this tiresome nonsense about preserving chromosomes and phenotypes.”

      Hogwash. I see before me and around me, every day, in small moments so frequent as to nearly sum to a totality, White people consumed by only that which is in front of them as they work with the people and towards the things that would in a better time doubtless amount to the continuity of the life of their people. They are one link in the chain of our very being. What love there is in this pursuit, and there is much, is not for your precious “abstractions” but for each other. And that is why they will do as must be done, whatever that may entail, so that this love will never end.

  85. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 21, 2011 - 12:21 am | Permalink

    first, with regard to intelligence, one only needs, say , an IQ of about 50 to tie one’s shoes. In that regard, what kind of IQ is required to become a White Nationalist? Probably little more than 100. What it takes really is not intelligence but in-your-face-experience unmediated by liberal and jew lies, to become a WNist.

    So it is not a matter of anyone’s IQ, it is a matter of, for intellectuals anyway, a matter of maybe an IQ of 120 and an emotional intelligence, as the current cliche goes that is not easily quantified. I like the formulation that someone at an AR conference a few years ago came up with: a crank is someone you do not take home to meet your wife. Now a crank can be very bright, etc.

    As for libertarianism as a suitable “cloak” to deceive the masses, I totally disagree. Maybe you can persuade some upper-middle-class types, but not ordinary folks. Ordinary folks hate libertarians as just more ruling class thieves out to steal their jobs, and their social security.

    By the way, Marxism, as comrad Karl said, “disdains to conceal its ends.” It was no cloak, it was all out front and center. (communist practice became another matter, with its front groups and crypto-jew control behind the scenes (as much as possible).
    Libertarianism is a corrupt “philosophy” that can take White Nationalism nowhere. I say a corrupt philosophy because it “posits” ego and property. That is no philosophy, it is just assertion of narcissism. AFter disposing of any claim to “philosophy,” we can move on to dispose of it as a threat to
    White Nationalism. We got a big “WE” going here in White Nationalism, not a big “ME”. We are challenging Liberalism in every respect, economically, socially, and in its governance. The rapidity with which LIberalism is eroding both in Europe and here, is lost on folks like Greg. The counter-revolution is fast approaching. This is no time for whiners, and schemers. We need to first of all, as I said above, to get a grip on what our role can be…and that is a fairly small role for the time being. No grandstanding or jeremiads can make much difference. What is going to happen is going to happen with or without us, probably without us. At some future time, figured in the next 10 years or so, there may be a larger role for us.

    Let me say, if I have not made myself Perfectly Clear, LIbertarianism is a jewish, selfish, unscientific (socio-biologically untrue), and using the left-wing jargon, a bourgeois-liberal trap for us. The Counter-Revolution will roll back 200 years of “philosophic” and largely Jewish “social science” error.
    Whites will become a tribal people, pursuing its own destiny along organic lines, socio-biological lines, or, it will be delayed by Libertarians and other hysterical claims and individuals. Joe

    Any “philosophy” worthy of the name will be completely based on socio-biology. That is, it will be scientifically verifiable. Individualism , the libertarian brand, is in direct conflict with socio-biology which demonstrates than man is a social animal first and foremost , whose personal and collective survival demands a certain subordination to the social group to insure the survival of the group and its genes. That means a Future. Libertarians do not care about a future, apres moi le deluge, is the operational principle of libertarianism.

    Then there is the jew-connection to Libertarianism; as if that was not enough to render it stinko for us. The cult of the selfish hero ….Horatio Algerism…and to hell with the hindmost…that we do not need. We need to save all White people, including the dumb ones…because they remain salt of the earth in many ways, and will provide our base for toppling the jew, etc. power.

    In my limited experience, it seems that the paleocons were pretty Libertarian.

    That was then. This is now. The Crisis is upon us. We disdain to conceal our ends because that honesty will impress the oppressed White dispossessed majority. No apologies, we are racialists, we are for a White and Western civilization, and we will protect White children, against all comers, including LIbertarian anarchists who cannot conceive of an organic, white, prosperous , and peaceful society. Actually they could care less. A pox upon them. J

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 2:27 am | Permalink

      “Any ‘philosophy’ worthy of the name will be completely based on socio-biology.”

      A philosophy must say what is true in the form of a reasoned account of why what it says is true. If it is to be comprehensive, much of this will necessarily be phenomenological as your own consciousness, or any man’s consciousness, is not a perfectly disinterested and scientifically-rigorous instrument of truth-discernment but a medium with built-in biases through which you perceive reality and without which you would be heedless of everything. In fact, these ‘biases’ must, from a certain perspective, be granted the status of objective normative truths (e.g., “My race must survive.”) – or incentives to the perception of objective normative truths – all their own. Otherwise, the naturalistic fallacy, at least logically, cannot be overcome (e.g., “I feel like it is true that my race must survive, but so what? It is just a feeling, with no more normative authority than any other feeling.”).

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 2:53 am | Permalink

      What it takes really is not intelligence but in-your-face-experience unmediated by liberal and jew lies, to become a WNist.

      Is this true? By “in your face experience” does that mean a negative experience with Blacks or Hispanics? Because it sure doesn’t seem to turn any Whites in WNist from what I can see. They do wise up a bit, but seldom become WNist. They just move away. And I know plenty that still make all kinds of excuses for bad behavior on the part of Blacks (bad culture, poverty, etc.)

      I wish it was true that all it takes is a really bad experience, but Whites still don’t seem to explicitly get it even then.

    • Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
      June 21, 2011 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

      To Mark Hess. good points. I too can feel friendly toward well-behaved blacks, ditto Mexers. However, as I point out to folks, make it a non-racial context. Group A has 10 problem people for society, any society, and Group B has 2 people. 2 vs. 10 per hundred people. Which group are you more apt to tolerate. You cannot pick and choose (as AH did when complaining about everybody in the party having “one good Jew.” (This is not an endorsement of AH, but an abstract construction of the Problem .

      AS for the White jackasses wearaing their pants low-down and dirty, I have stopped two white guys and corrected them. I see very few of this on the SF peninsula, an affluent place, but I understand that many white young men have adopted the nigger-style. Repulsive to be sure.

      This brings me to another point about our “lost” young men in this regard. It is the Babbitry and Libertarianism of upper-middle class Whites who no longer care about their youth enough to hang out with them, etc. THeir default position is to ape the apes. Young and unguided my White values that speak to them. LIbertarian nuts are partly responsible for this abandonment. Every White elder should be fostering another White kid in some way. I offer encourangement to our young males frequently. What gets to these kids is first, our own expressions of love to them. If you recall your youth and which adults influenced you most, it is those adult males who loved you. After you support them emotionally, then maybe you can offer some WN.

      Bourgeois/libertarian/capitalist society does not offer young men much, unless they are smart and can get in line with the upward=bound. Even then, no kid ever wore a Captain Capitalist costume for Halloween, etc.

      So yes, we can have some sympathy for sympathetic black and brown folks, but that sympathy need not alter our plans for separation or removal. In fact, as I have argued before, the Liberal regime is cruel to blacks and browns because it fosters false hope, you can do it! try harder!. This can only lead to embitterment and more hatred of Whites, crime, etc.

      If blacks could accept a subaltern status among Whites, we might be able to muddle thru. But, there is no sign that they are willing to do so. They just get meaner, crazier, more menacing and so on. Mexers right now are not as bad as blacks, but they will get worse as they feel safer and more entitled.

      Finally, I remind you (and myself) that that sweet black grandma and nice looking (occasional) Mexican gal has male kids, brothers, and nephews, and they are dangerous. Therefore, we need to stay, not hard-hearted, but resolved to rid ourselves of the whole lot.

      This can be accomplished with minimal violence, incentives, and so on. Any violent resistance to be ruthlessly put-down.


      In fact, it is not 2 or 3 blacks or browns out of a hundred, but many more. Your sweet black grandma may be sweet because she is on welfare, thanks to you, me and our budget deficit.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

      It is true that middle and upper class Whites don’t care as much for lower class Whites. But honestly, most of that is the fault of the lower class Whites. Everyone feels sorry for the poor Whites and so have I, but honestly, they were jerks for several generations.

      Most poor Whites I have known loved to be jerks to anyone who could speak properly or could do simple math. They often hated “them there evil oil companies” and wanted to see all the middle class people that earn a good living there brought down a peg.

      They had a deep class-based resentment and generally supported policies that hurt middle and upper class Whites. Payback is a beeyotch.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

      And I still don’t understand why anyone thinks using low class ethnic slurs in a public forum read by newcomers helps our cause. What you say in private or in a bar are one thing, but when it’s a public record that will be monitored by SPLC and others it’s self-indulgent.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 21, 2011 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

      Mr. Webb,

      Thanks for your response to my comments. It is helpful.

      By the way, I am with you on the issue of libertarianism. I do not know what to make of the fact that it has a hold on so many of us. It is very discouraging, to say the least.

      Take care.

    • Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
      June 22, 2011 - 12:39 am | Permalink

      You are “upper crust”, I grew up around the insanity while you read and imagined about what I already know. I am offended by your post, alittle, but your ignorant to real life. No offense intended, you are speaking truth, but who do you think will do the dirty work when it all falls apart, you? (doubtful)
      Lets not bash Soldiers or Marines either, I doubt you have what it takes to get things done, away from your keybooard.

      The ‘pay back is a beyochech” statement is just stupid.

      We are on the same team, as White men. It looks as if you have class envy. You talk it, we live. The “lower class”, the guys who will save your sorry ass when it hits the fan.

      You remind me of a guy who screams for cops when in need and the next day calls them “stupid”.

      The keyboard and suburban areas are a beatiful thing. Real life is a differant story, Jason.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 22, 2011 - 1:00 am | Permalink


      You are basically right. I’m not upper crust by the way – I was born in between middle and working class I would say. A mix of blue collar skilled labor with some college degreed professionals in my family (nothing as high as doctor).

      I understand why you were offended. Actually I agree with most of what you said. “Working class” (I don’t like that term but I’ll use it) Whites have been abandoned by this country and I’m sympathetic. But at the time I wrote the post, I was reminded of how the problems with regard to a lack of solidarity among Whites is a two-way street.

      There really were quite a few thuggish Whites that enjoyed bullying smart White guys when I was growing up. I was in between them, so I saw both sides. I think the dumbest thing Whites ever did was to alienate their own smart people! I personally knew White kids that pretty much had their high school years ruined by thuggish White kids.

      The smart ones went on to be lawyers and doctors and guess what? Not much sympathy for the plight of factory workers. But you are right, when real men are needed to do real work or to defend the country, it isn’t some guy at Starbucks I turn to. It’s the solid blue collar guy.

      The smartest thing a political party could do today is bridge the gap and bring Whites together.

    • Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
      June 22, 2011 - 1:21 am | Permalink

      I read here daily and am amazed by the high handed intellect, absent common sence.
      Elitism is for the “elite”

    • Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
      June 22, 2011 - 1:39 am | Permalink

      Can one of you smart guys explian to me the logistic planning of displacing all non-Whites from the NW?
      By force? or By legislation?
      Who will provide the “door kickers” to expell the millions of non-Whites out, where will they go? To another region of the US? No retaliation?
      Is this practical/realistic?
      Not a bad idea, but not going to happen.
      Far fetched fantasy, to say the least.
      Truth is, we will have to live with this sh#t. Until something big wakes up the majority of Whites to fight back.
      I’m still waiting.

  86. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    June 20, 2011 - 11:46 pm | Permalink

    All the authority figures in our culture, all the institutions that confer social legitimacy, are controlled by our opponents. And I do not get the sense that many Whites even understand the issues at hand. They truly believe that non-Whites can be taught to be as White as their Aunt Martha, if only the enough money (the liberals) was spent or the right culture (the conservatives) was put in place.

    It is true many Whites do feel like something is terribly wrong and this is useful. But Whites, more than any other group, can squelch their feelings and desires to follow what the path they consider to be “reason”.

    Perhaps when enough pain is felt and the conflicts intensify, they will suddenly “wake up”, but I am not sure. First off, we have to plan for the most terrible possibility of all: There is no Great Depression, just a flat stagnation like the one Japan has had for the last 20 years. What then? If people still have food and American Idol on TV, will they really be ready to riot? Doubtful.

    But even if things do get really bad, the path people will take is unpredictable. Didn’t Argentina used to be largely White? The White portion of the population shrank and gradually the status of Argentina fell, but there was no large scale social revolution of the type we would welcome. Whites often accept the new reality and try and make the best deal they can for themselves as individuals.

    So, they don’t always act collectively to address threats that confront them – they often don’t realize there is a threat facing them as Whites. So, I still think it is imperative to get as much real science out as possible about race and ethnicity. All the other dimensions are important too, but in this age, science holds great sway, and it so happens the facts are on our side.

  87. Gray Prince's Gravatar Gray Prince
    June 20, 2011 - 11:29 pm | Permalink

    While I like Greg Johnson and consider him the second smartest person in this community, after the illustrious Dr. MacDonald, naturally, I must disagree with his appraisal of Ron Paul. Libertarianism is far from a perfect ultimate solution to our woes, but it would serve as an important first step in altering the “warfare/wellfare” structure of modern US society whereby whites are fueling their own destruction. If you find your bathtub overflowing and flooding the room, what do you do? First you cut off the spigot, then you worry about bailing out the rest of the room. Libertarianism offers one form of a chance to do this, a movement with the “bourgeoisie respectability”, that actually has gained some tracction with the electorate. We need an “-ism” with which to cloak our ethnic interests, similar to the way other groups have used Marxism, Bolshevism, etc. There are many options, with libertarianism being one of them.

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 3:06 am | Permalink

      “Libertarianism offers one form of a chance to do this, a movement with the ‘bourgeoisie respectability’, that actually has gained some tracction with the electorate. We need an ‘-ism’ with which to cloak our ethnic interests,”

      This is most likely what is needed to motivate an activist vanguard which aspires to the status of elites who will rule society. The great mass of people only care about having a full belly, sexual gratification, the companionship of friends, lovers and family, and the acquisition of status in the form of material symbols of status. In fact, the latter explains much of the perceived luster of libertarianism as libertarianism is perceived as being a most efficient means of delivering the latter. The clear inference is that whatever racially-friendly “ism” is adopted must at least promise to equal or out-do libertarianism in that regard to win over the masses.

    • Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
      June 21, 2011 - 3:12 am | Permalink

      Perhaps Whites need to see that life in semi-socialist Sweden is better than life in some free market Latino country. This did it for me and a couple of friends. We finally realized that as much as we despise socialism, we would rather be around Whites in almost any political system than with Mestizos and Africans in an “ideal” political system.

    • Captainchaos's Gravatar Captainchaos
      June 21, 2011 - 3:55 am | Permalink

      “The great mass of people only care about having a full belly, sexual gratification, the companionship of friends, lovers and family, and the acquisition of status in the form of material symbols of status.”

      Come to think of it, the above enumerated pretty well IS the stuff of “animal vitality”. The only other addition I would make is the willingness to use violence, to relish that use of violence, and to glorify that use of violence, in order to acquire those things. Fascism, literary or otherwise, obviously means the permanent addition of systematized violence to society that would at least crowd in on, if not crowd out, the quiet bourgeois life. Those serious about it (I don’t actually believe Parrott and Johnson are serious about it) would intend this as their preferred, permanent political order and not merely a means to revolutionary change. And if it is merely intended as a means to revolutionary change, not to be the stuff of a settled political order, then why not ditch the fascist trappings and pretentions from jump street?

    • June 21, 2011 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

      Gray Prince,

      In addition to the 14 Words, I like to follow two rules of movement building: (1) Everybody gets to determine his or her own level of involvement and explicitness, and (2) Everybody else has to respect that decision. That said, I also have spent a great deal of time arguing that people like you, who have the good sense to be reading this site and commenting here should be spending your political dollars here (and over at my site,, where we are having a fundraiser) and not spending them on Ron Paul and the Tea Party. Yes, I agree that they can serve a purpose, and people who are not comfortable with explicit White Nationalism might spend their times productively there. But in terms of funding, these groups can more than take care of themselves. White Nationalists need to take care of our own. And if you are a WN but cannot be explicit, you need to give your political dollars to those who can make make it explicit. For more on this, see my article on “WN and the Political Mainstream”:

    • June 21, 2011 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

      A fully belly et al. are mere creature comforts, and an excessive concern with them is correlated with slavishness, selfishness, and low fertility. Animal Vitality, in the Nietzschean, Spenglerian sense is what drives us to seek danger and adventure, to take the risks that create worlds and propagate our species.

    • June 21, 2011 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

      I meant “full belly” of course.

    • June 21, 2011 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

      A full belly et al. are mere creature comforts, and an excessive concern with them is correlated with slavishness, selfishness, and low fertility.

      Well, not enough concern with them is also correlated with low fertility, it must be said…

      White Americans do seem more risk averse now then their ancestors usually were.

      Probably FDR bears a lot of the blame given that he set up a system where we became far more reliant on the government.

      It can be argued too much help from government and too much help from technology have helped create White people who lack initiative, or at least as much initiative as they ought to have.

      There was recently a disturbing example of this from Europe.

      What happened is that there’s a high ranking Italian politician who said NATO should intercept African refugees trying to get into Italy.

      While this politician’s heart was probably in the right place, especially compared to what the politicians in most of Europe are like, the statement was still an absurd example of modern European Man’s dependency addiction in action.

      The man’s a higher up in an European National Government, and even he feels the need to call on a supranational organization for help.

      The Italian navy could stop refugee boats from landing in Italy with the greatest of ease, there’s no reason to get NATO involved.

      In the same way that White people now pass the buck for paying the upkeep of their parents onto Social Security, we now have a White person trying to pass the responsibility for defending his own country onto a supranational organization in spite of the fact that the threat is so miniscule from a military persepective that it could be dealt with on a national level without any trouble.

      What once happened at the family level is now happening at the national level.

      It’s a huge mistake, especially considering that Italians would have to be insane to expect NATO to defend their territory given its dominance by governments currently committed to the ideological directive that no Western country should be defended against non-Westerners.

  88. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    June 20, 2011 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

    White Nationalism as less capable of motivating folks than Star Trek? As rhetoric this can stand. As objective argument, it cannot. First, Startrekkers are not motivated to do anything.

    Secondly, White Nationalism cannot motivate many people simply because we are small, folks do not read books or even websites…much.

    What is going to “motivate” Whites is their own experience with the coloreds and the liberals. It is happening without us…anti-immigration feelings (feelings, not thoughts), white racism rising, and anti-semitism rising as well.

    Greg thinks that some kind of great leader is going to make a difference. He is wrong, at least right now.

    There is plenty of “animal vitality” out there, and I wonder why Greg fails to see it. Whites are mad as hell about just about everything. Yes, the liberals are what they are but the overwhelming majority of Whites identify as conservative and very unhappy about the course of the country.

    As for Greg’s “confession” that he is a disgruntled hater, ok fine, but don’t tar with that brush the rest of us. Personal psychology is one thing and objective political science is another.

    Things are getting worser faster than we have ever seen…worser is betterer and American Whites feel it deeply. They are ever more disgruntled.

    As for us being “haters”, we should get a little more exacting in that terminology. I don’t hate Blacks and Mexers, or even Jews. They are just doing what comes naturally…in the biological sense. Parasites naturally seek hosts. Americans are not happy being hosts…tax-paying supporters of parasites. Liberals love it, but that is fine too…let them keep on keeping on, the sooner to arrive at their political and perhaps personal deaths.

    The only folks I come near hating are the Liberals. The blacks and mexers and jews simply have to be re-segregated, sent home to Mexico, and quarantined, respectively. No need to hate. Now anger is another thing.

    We need some anger to motivate ourselves. Hatred is a waste of energy.

    I think Greg is getting very close to hating his brothers and sisters. It is a personal problem.

    • Mark Hess's Gravatar Mark Hess
      June 21, 2011 - 1:30 am | Permalink

      Mr. Webb,

      I enjoyed reading your response to this review. It made me think about a lot of things that I have been observing for a long time, and that I do not know what to do with.

      I am a nationalist, and I want people of European heritage to succeed and flourish. However, I do not know where these concerns lead, especially in the US.

      A few things/examples:

      — I, like many of those who visit and comment on this site, am very worried about how African-American Thug culture (pushed disproportionately by Jews, of course) impacts just about everything we see around us. That being said, I can tell you that one of the most pleasant and polite individuals in my neighborhood is an old black women. She takes fastidious care of her little home (it is one of the prettiest and most well-kept anywhere around here,) on top of working very hard.

      — I know many white men who get so disgusted at what they see on the evening news, and by the ridiculously unsportsmanlike behavior of so many of our “sports heroes,” that they, understandably, shout things like, “N*gger,” “Send them back to Africa,” and so forth at the screen. But, like me, when confronted with any individual who is considerate, pleasant and/or hardworking, they respond in kind.

      — Lastly, most of the “thugs” I see are white, especially young adults. Tattooed, pierced, rude, obnoxious, allergic to work, slutty, sexist, willfully and proudly dumb, etc.

      So, where does all that go? I do not think that whites should view “kindness” and “fairness” as weaknesses. I believe it is a good thing that most of us, when it gets down to it, respect and admire merit. I do not feel like I am “getting very close to hating {my} brothers and sisters,” but, seriously, one of the most ridiculous sights to see is a fat white guy who dresses and acts like a “gangsta” complaining about “n*ggers.”

      What do you think about these observations? If you have made similar ones, how do you deal with it?

      Anyway, thanks for your above comment.

    • Bear's Gravatar Bear
      June 21, 2011 - 2:31 am | Permalink

      Mark, I think we need joy, beauty, celebration, humour and fun in our movement. It needs to be inspiring, seen as trendy(but no vacuous) and creative. It needs space for kindness and compassion as well. “Hollistic”. That would certainly help draw in young men and women (who we need to round out). In addition we are about being commited to reviving our White western culture and joy belongs with that. I suspect that we need both the left and right brained types, the analytic and the artistic. Why shouldn’t there be White nationalist dance and music. Hopefully something energetic but not degenerate as hiphop or say norweigen death metal which may have its place but has limited appeal. If it becomes good enough maybe we’ll have the blacks immitating it the way you get that White ferral with dreadlocks look.

    • Kevin Slaughter's Gravatar Kevin Slaughter
      June 21, 2011 - 11:18 am | Permalink

      “White Nationalism as less capable of motivating folks than Star Trek? As rhetoric this can stand. As objective argument, it cannot. First, Startrekkers are not motivated to do anything.”

    • June 21, 2011 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

      In the title essay of my book, which essay you can read here, I spend some time talking about how disingenuous and self-defeating it is for white advocates to claim (1) multiracialism produces conflict and hatred, and (2) no, they don’t personally hate anyone from other races. If the people who are most informed about the “Mexer” problem don’t personally hate them, then is it such a big problem after all?

    • Tommy Gunnz's Gravatar Tommy Gunnz
      June 21, 2011 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

      Amen brother!

    • ned's Gravatar ned
      June 22, 2011 - 7:26 am | Permalink

      “I think Greg is getting very close to hating his brothers and sisters. It is a personal problem.”

      @ Joe Webb

      I agree. I would also add that any so-called white nationalist who PRAISES a jew composer like mahler (see the counter-currents blog) is highly suspect and NOT worthy of reading his books.

      Hey Greg, your skull cap is showing! LOL!

    • June 22, 2011 - 9:04 pm | Permalink


      Just when I thought this thread hit rock bottom, you showed up and the bottom fell out.

  89. felipeb's Gravatar felipeb
    June 20, 2011 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    “If there were a New Israel on the North American continent (no doubt on the East Coast),…
    I would predict that the Jews of Israel would move en masse to New Israel,…” I am not entirely sure that project is not in full gear.

    Currently more than 500,000 Israelis hold US passports with close to a quarter million pending applications. During the recent meetings in Washington DC between Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s delegation and Israel’s US agents, assurances were reportedly given by AIPAC officials that if and when it becomes necessary, the US government will expeditiously issue American passports to any and all Israeli Jews seeking them. Israeli Arabs need not apply.
    AIPAC also represented to the Israelis that the US Congress could be trusted to approve funding for arriving Israeli Jews “to be allocated substantial cash resettlement grants to ease transition into their new country.”

    • Cary's Gravatar Cary
      June 21, 2011 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

      Greg, in fact the white Mexicans are moving in our direction very rapidly. There is a kind of split in the Latino community, and the dark Mexican-Americans are all bent out of shape over the drift of white Mexicans (whether Spanish-, Portuguese-, German-, or Irish-Mexicans) to identify with us. They have some catching up to do with the white American cultures (that is, excluding the Hollywood & Manhattan hate culture), but we’re seeing this split clearly.

      Interestingly, I was in a large group of white Hispanics reviewing a video when one of them spoke up to say the filmed speaker was a Jew! Then there was a real rumble of discontent that I had never heard before. I was surprised because I had never seen that before.

      So who knows? A white person is a white person, picked and shaped by his or her cultures, histories, and ancestries, of course. We are in for many surprises.

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