Hitler, Ibsen, and Political Theater

Dan Michaels


To what extent was the Nazi movement suffused with pure theater? What explains the fascina­tion that Nazi symbols and Adolf Hitler himself had for millions, then and even today? Classic theater in Europe, especially drama, has always been viewed as serious literature, and Germany to this day has more theaters than any other country in the world. During the National Socialist period the Nazi Party made great use of theatri­cal techni­ques to embellish Party events.

In Ibsen and Hitler, Steven F. Sage assesses the impact Henrik Ibsen’s plays had on the develop­ment of Adolf Hitler’s Welt­an­schauung and place in history.  Sage, who completed the book as a scholar at the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, must be read with caution because he moves rapidly from Hitler’s appreciation of Ibsen’s plays, especially Emperor and Galilean, which is factual and convincing, to what the author considers the dictator’s slavish obsession and identification with the playwright’s other plots and characters, which is far less convincing. Always mindful that this book has been written to further traduce the National Socialist leaders of the period, nonetheless much of the material intro­duced is new to the American reader and well worth examining.

Ibsen and Hitler argues that there are much more than coincidental similarities between the characters and plot lines in Ibsen’s plays and the policies and speeches of Adolf Hitler. Indeed, textual analysis of passages from Hitler’s speeches and passages in the plays reveals parallels that could hardly be accidental. The three Ibsen plays upon which Sage bases his study are: Emperor and Galilean, The Master Builder, and An Enemy of the PeopleEmperor and Galilean tells the story of Julian the Apostate, a nephew of the Christian emperor Constantine the Great, and his foiled attempt to reinstate paganism in the Roman Empire. Ibsen considered Emperor and Galilean to be his magnum opus. It was first published in Norway in 1873 and was translated into German in 1899.

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To synopsize the play: Emperor and Galilean covers the 12-year (351–363 A.D.) transitional period when paganism existed side-by-side with the newly approved Chris­tian faith in the Roman Empire. Emperor Julian never accepted the Christian God and strove, if the opportunity arrived, to reinstate the Empire’s pagan gods and temples to their former high place. In Julian’s mind the spread of Christianity within the empire had already destroyed much of its glorious past. Julian hoped to stop the “cancer” of Christianity by befriending the Jews, the “elder brothers of the faith” even offering to rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem. This tactic, Julian believed, would also make the Jews an ally in the Empire’s war against Persia.

A mystic, Maximus, informs Julian that in a vision he foresaw a “Third King­dom” or “Third Reich” that would combine the best of the first empire, based on Hellen­istic paganism, with the best of the then current second empire, based on Christianity.But before Julian could become Caesar and assume power, the Mystic tells him, he would first have to marry a “pure woman” and then have her sacrificed.  When Konstan­zios, the current ruler, dies, Julian becomes Emperor and undertakes to introduce his reforms, which he insists, must be nonviolent. However, after only eighteen months as Emperor Julian is slain by a disgruntled Christian in his own ranks while leading a military cam­paign in Persia.

In Ibsen’s plot Emperor Julian in the course of suppressing the Christians eerily assumes the persona of the Christ he hoped to remove. To make this point, Maximus the Mystic poses the rhetorical question: “Are you sure, Julian, that you were not in him whom you now persecute?”

In other words, Christ, not the Anti-Christ, has returned incarnate in the person of Julian the Apostate. The expected one is an avatar of Jesus, returned to disavow the dis­torted Christianity preached by the Church. Julian is the second coming of Christ, the Galilean (p. 31).

Ironically, Julian had indeed changed the course of history but in the direction opposite to his wishes. Christi­anity was reestablished in the Empire where it would survive to the present day. The Gali­lean, Jesus Christ, and Christianity had defeated the pagan gods

Sage deftly updates the scenario to the National Socialist period. Hitler, also a pagan with a perceived divine aura, becomes the Julian of his day. The time seemed propitious to attempt to replace Christianity in Germany because by the dawn of the 20th century and follow­ing the carnage of World War I, Europe was in deep decline and it seemed to many that a new philosophy was needed to replace Christianity, which, many believed, no longer offered any hope for a better future. Indeed, the era was already being labeled “post-Christian.” The spectre and threat of Communism really did haunt Europe, the Weimar Republic was corrupt, capital­ism was bankrupt and the Great Depression hung heavily over the Western world. Referring to the old order in Europe, Hitler said: “What the revolution has not destroyed, evolution will finish the job.”

Hitler, a theater enthusiast himself, took Ibsen’s play to the world stage in 1933. As Sage has it, Dietrich Eckard, a mystical seer (also a dramaturge) and perhaps the single most powerful influence on Hitler’s youth, takes the role of Maximus the Mystic in foretelling the coming of ‘the Third Reich.” Geli Raubal, Hitler’s half-niece assumes the role of the “pure woman” whom Hitler must first murder before taking power. The new Caesar/Emperor Adolf Hitler, called the Führer, was soon to become a god-like figure, revered by the great majority of Germans.

At the end of the National Socialist period, following his defeat in the East, Hitler commits suicide and Christianity, followed by the Jews, again returns to Germany.  The Galilean had won again.

Hitler attempted to eliminate Christianity within Greater Germany by expelling the Jews and weaning the young away from Christianity by offering a more glorious and heroic future in a new dynamic pagan world. Drama and stagecraft surrounded Nazi pol­itical events and captivated the populace. Although the hope of the National Socialists was to see Judeo-Christianity lose in the competition with the new paganism, they approached the problem from the other direc­tion. Whereas Julian cultivated the Jews and suppressed the Christians, Hitler chose to eliminate the Jews (among other reasons) because he saw them as the source of Christianity in the expectation that the Christians would then whither away.

In his research Sage has relied mostly on Hitler’s Table Talk (Tisch­gespräche) to confirm the fact that the German dictator was quite familiar with both Ibsen’s plays and Julian the Apostate. In October 1941 Hitler told his dinner companions: “I really hadn’t known how clearly a man like Julian had judged the Christians and Christianity. One must read this” (p. 112).

In so saying, Hitler suggests that he had not read any of Julian’s own works prior to October 1941. Yet, his childhood friend August Kubizek recalled that Hitler had read Ibsen’s dramas in Vienna (Sage, p. 33), and Leon Degrelle, whom Hitler cherished as a son, claims that Hitler knew Julian the Apostate as if he had been his contemporary ( p. 115). Of course Hitler might have read books about Ibsen and quotations from his plays, without having seen or read the plays themselves.

Again citing Hitler’s Table Talk, Sage quotes the dictator’s beliefs con­cerning Christianity, Bolshevism, and Jesus Christ:

Christianity was destructive Bolshevism. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, meant something quite different. He was a popular leader who took a stand against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably settled Gallic legionaries, and Jesus was certainly no Jew. The Jews incidentally called him the son of a whore and a Roman soldier. … Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it’s the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown mankind back a millennium and a half. … The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair…The decisive falsi­fication of Jesus’ doctrine was the work of St. Paul. For the Galilean’s object was to liberate his country from Jewish oppression. He set himself against Jewish capitalism, and that’s why the Jews liquidated him. … If the Jew has succeeded in destroying the Roman Empire, that’s because St. Paul trans­formed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a supra-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men. This is what caused the death of the Roman Empire. … It would be better to speak of Constantine the Traitor and Julian the Loyal than of Constantine the Great and Julian the Apostate. What Christianity wrote against Julian is the same drivel as the stuff the Jews pour forth about us.  (pp. 181–187)

Thus, Hitler viewed Jesus as an Aryan at war against the Orthodox Jewry of the day. He probably also thought himself on a holy mission to rid the world of what he considered Judeo-Christian culture-destroyers.

Sage then proceeds to find much more tenuous parallels. For example, he suggests just as when Julian turned his army away from the Persian capital and lost the war, Hitler turned his army away from Moscow to destroy Soviet armies in the south, and in so doing, lost the war. Sage believes that Dr. Stockmann in Ibsen’s  Enemy of the People influenced Hitler in using the metaphor of germs, microbes or bacilli when referring to Jews. He compares Hilde Wangel’s death in the Master Builder to the death of Geli Raubal in Munich. Based on Ibsen’s Master Builder, Sage sees Hitler being influenced to act produce architecture as a setting for political theater which he realized through the work of  Fritz Todt and Albert Speer. Todt, the architect of the Autobahn and other early National Socialist engineering projects, died a death similar to that of Ibsen’s master builder.

The Stadium in Nurenberg, designed by Albert Speer

Sage acknowledges that Ibsen comprised only one ingredient among many in Hitler’s mental mix ( p. 16). Among those whom Sage believes reinforced the German dictator’s already preexisting anti-Jewish mind-set was Rev. Franz Sales Schwarz, a Roman Catholic priest, whom Hitler thought was a Jew because the good Father could not tolerate his neopagan student (young Hitler) and tried to have him expelled from the Leonding school. He also cites the influence of Dietrich Eckart, who became a mentor and role model, and Richard Wagner, whose operas and opinions on the Jews enchanted Hitler.

Notwithstanding the myriad of other factors responsible for the advent of World War II, Sage in his final paragraph asserts that Hitler either deliberately plagiarized or uncon­sciously through cryptamnesia or as a result of suffering from a mimetic syn­drome, memorized and used quotations, metaphors, and plot lines from Henrik Ibsen’s plays to dramatize National Socialist policies. Sage compares Hitler’s obsession with Ibsen’s plays to John Wilkes Booth identification of Lincoln with the tyrant Julius Caesar, John F. Hinkley’s obsession with The Taxi Driver, Ted Kacynski, the Unabomber’s identification with a character in Joseph Conrad’s The Secret Agent, and Timothy McVeigh inspiration from William Pierce’s The Turner Diaries. Sage claims that Hitler ruled in a similar obsessed state. As further evidence of this, Sage quotes from a public speech given by Hitler in March 1936: “I follow the path that Providence has chosen for me with the assurance of a sleepwalker” (p. 270).

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Although Hitler had little familiarity with Ibsen’s works before 1920, he was surely made more knowledgeable about his social importance through Dietrich Eckart, a successful playwright who adapted Ibsen’s Peer Gynt for the German audience in a successful run in Berlin. Hitler was so impressed by Eckart that he dedicated the second volume of Mein Kampf to him. The adaptation was made in such a way as to appeal to the German temperament of the day.

However, it is highly unlikely that Hitler, who must have known that Ibsen did not share his opinion of the Jews, would consciously want to mimic in life everything the playwright wrote or stood for. For example, Ibsen wrote of the Jews:

Take the Jewish people, the aristocracy of the human race – how is it they have kept their place apart, their poetic halo, amid surroundings of coarse cruelty? By having no state to burden them. (Sage, p. 273)

It is much more likely that Hitler, as was his usual mode of reading, simply adopted those words or concepts of the playwright that reinforced his own already deeply ingrained opinions. All historians agree that Hitler possessed a prodigious memory and was quite capable of storing such information, incorporating it in his own philosophy, and unconsciously using it as his own.

In his book Julian Gore Vidal, who has written extensively on American politics, observed:

Julian has always been something of an underground hero in Europe. His attempt to stop Christianity and revive Hellenism still exerts a romantic appeal.

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24 Comments to "Hitler, Ibsen, and Political Theater"

  1. Lancashire lad's Gravatar Lancashire lad
    October 31, 2011 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

    An interesting read. The book sounds a little like Steigmann-Gall’s unconvincing book on National Socialism and Christianity though. One problem is that there were so many strands to Nazism – and Hitler saw fit to make remarks on so many subjects – that you can find evidence for almost any view amongst the Nazis.
    I think the table talk was filtered through Martin Bormann’s anti-Christian personal views and of course Mr Spielberg’s propaganda efforts have made the Jews more central than they were at the time – if only we’d known what we were letting ourselves in for when we paid to see “ET come home” in the 70s!

  2. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    October 31, 2011 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Soviet Armies in the South were protecting oil fields if I’m not mistaken. A useful resource to fuel the mighty Panzers. Did Ibsen’s play feature a character that corresponded to Mussolini? One whose petty ego delayed Operation Barbarossa for five weeks and doomed Germany to defeat?

  3. B.B.'s Gravatar B.B.
    October 31, 2011 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    The anti-Christian quotes attributed to Hitler from Hitler’s Table Talk are likely fabrications.

    See: On the Trail of Bogus Quotes by Richard C. Carrier

  4. Helvena's Gravatar Helvena
    October 31, 2011 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    And the avalanche of BS continues.
    Sage, who completed the book as a scholar at the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum
    this is the first clue to the reading that you is about to be snowed.

  5. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 31, 2011 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @Helvena:
    “Advanced Holocaust Studies”?Sounds about as real as Advanced Santa Claus Studies!

  6. Jonathan's Gravatar Jonathan
    October 31, 2011 - 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Julian the Apostate is my hero, unfortunately he was out of touch with reality, especially in the Eastern provinces, it was almost as if an Antonine Emperor had been transplanted to the mid 3rd century.

  7. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    October 31, 2011 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Christianity is the child of Judaism, thus is fiercely loyal to it.
    The 5,000 year old adult fairy tale also gave birth to Islam….
    Time to let it go.

  8. henry baxley's Gravatar henry baxley
    October 31, 2011 - 6:31 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Well if the Jews attacked and destroyed their own world financial center on 9/11….Anything is possible! :-)

  9. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 31, 2011 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    @henry baxley: @Helvena:

    Amen, Brother.

    People forget that Plato had almost as much to do with the success of Christianity in the Greco-Roman world as say St. Peter. (St. Paul was a minor character until the end of the 4th Century.) Because Plato had set the philosophical stage for Jesus Christ. The early Christian “Church Fathers” like Augstine realized this, and others even went further.

  10. Floda's Gravatar Floda
    October 31, 2011 - 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Interesting, but one easily detects more Judishe horsemanure. Hitler understood Christianity, religion in general as an opiate of the masses and saw the British Empire as a good thing for Mankind, rather like he saw the Catholic Church. Part of the fascination with Hitler stems from his own intellectual curiosity and a remarkable knowledge of a quite vast number of subjects.

  11. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    October 31, 2011 - 7:30 pm | Permalink
  12. Riley DeWiley's Gravatar Riley DeWiley
    October 31, 2011 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    “Adolf Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics” is a good exposition of Adolf Hitler as an artist and as a visual communicator.

  13. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    October 31, 2011 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    YES – the Anti-Christ, the Third Temple and Iranian factor is still mesmerizing 65 million Zionist Christian and Zionist Jews.

    Rixon Stewart, who runs the website ‘The Truth Seeker’ – posted an article entitled ‘Iran’s “End Times” Documentary and the “Last Messiah” ’ on April 2, 2011. Rixon Stewart tried to pin Rev. John Hagee’s religious views on the “End Times”, on Iranian leaders. John Hagee has told his Zionist idiots, on several occasions, that according to some biblical prophecy, Islamic Iran will attack Israel to bring in the “End Times”…..

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/iran-end-times-the-messiah-and-israeli-hasbara/

  14. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 31, 2011 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @henry baxley:
    You do not understand even the ABC of the phenomenon of the “False Flag Operation”.That is an attack by yourself on yourself then blame it on another whom you then can attack.For good introductions go to:
    whatreallyhappened.com,upper banner: FAKE TERROR.
    wanttoknow.info: false flag terrorism.
    911review.com:a History of American False Flag Operations.
    If you rather like to watch a video,go to Youtube:911: False Flag Terrorism – The Precedents & The Reality by Webster Tarpley.
    This knowledge is very basic.Do not rely on the MSM (such as CNN or Fox News),they are all lying and often ridiculously so.

  15. Rehmat's Gravatar Rehmat
    November 1, 2011 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Many independent European historians and revisionists believe that Adolf Hitler was was not a ‘monster’ as the Jews like people to believe. They say Hitler had lot of good personal traits; he was a nationalist and champion of White race superiority. That was the reason he was not only served by 150,000 German Jews – but Hitler was also admired by supremacists around the world including Hindu upper clast Hindus.

    Bollywood film director Rakesh Ranjan Kumar is in the process of filming a movie entitled ‘Dear Friend Hitler’. Kumar claimed that the movie will be tribute to “Hitler’s love for India and how he indirectly contributed to Indian independence (August 15, 1947)”. Several Jewish leaders have lodged protests with Indian President Pratibha Devisingh Patil and Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh against the filming of the movie.

    http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/indias-dear-friend-hitler/

  16. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    November 1, 2011 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    This is a fun read, and I was delighted with all the bits of NS trivia! As is the case with a few others who have commented here, I think much if not all of the anti-Christian sentiments attributed to AH in the Table Talks are either spurious or originated with Bormann. I believe it is a matter of historical record that, while Bormann, Heydrich, Himmler and certain others in the SS were either anti-Christian or at least encouraged neo-paganism (although many of the most distinguished SS men were feverently Christian), AH himself was somewhat ambivalent towards Christianity.

    Having said all that, the writer,in my opinion, gets at least an A- for his excellent grasp of pre-30 Apr. 1945 National Socialism.

  17. Shiva's Gravatar Shiva
    November 1, 2011 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

    I couldn’t believe that this was on TOO. Commentary maybe, but here? From the bogus Table Talk to the canard of McVeigh and The Turner Diaries not worthy of TOO.

    Is this guy any relation to Lorne Michaels or Rabbi Michaels?
    PUT ON THE GLASSES (See the film: THEY LIVE)

  18. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    November 2, 2011 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    I’m curious whether ‘advanced study’ of The Holocaust ® in reality entails exploring the chemical composition of Reichs Juden Fett™ and/or how many millions of Judaic prisoners had to actually come out of the camps in 1945 for there to be 400 thousand of them still living in the year 2011 ?

  19. November 2, 2011 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    @rehmat, please give me a real quote from Hitler where he said whites were superior to all other races. You might want to take a look at this: A. James Gregor’s work
    http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/gregor.html

    marxist.org/ use to have it on their site but I see it has been deleted.

  20. meh's Gravatar meh
    November 2, 2011 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

    “, and Timothy McVeigh inspiration from William Pierce’s The Turner Diaries. ”

    Haha; no. Fail.

    Sage is simply throwing anything he can find against the wall to see what sticks. He appears unaware that a lot of his “primary sources” are bogus, or aren’t even primary but hearsay or speculation passed on as though it were true.

    As noted above, some of the anti-Christian quotes from the Table Talk are bogus; they don’t exist in the German originals but are fabrications and/or badly mistranslated into English.

    No doubt Hitler had his problems with Christianity (what thinking man doesn’t?), but he was concerned with practical political matters, not religion.

  21. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 3, 2011 - 2:44 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    Amen. To that I’d add that just one Israeli citizen perished in the 9/11 attacks. Any Jews that died were American.

  22. Bohemianh's Gravatar Bohemianh
    November 5, 2011 - 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Are you running low on things to write about? This is absurd. Hitler was a no body to took the masons, jews, comunists, bolsheviks to task. He did so by having a clear message, and an iron will which inspired others to the task of saving Germany / Europe from the red beast. If it wasn’t for usa bombing the German factories and oil fields, Germany would have won the war.

  23. Mister Blister's Gravatar Mister Blister
    November 6, 2011 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    “He compares Hilde Wangel’s death in the Master Builder to the death of Geli Raubal in Munich.”

    If so, then he is seriously in error. It isn’t Hilde (the girl) who dies, but the Master Builder (the old man).

  24. Justin Huber's Gravatar Justin Huber
    November 6, 2011 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Hi Farnham. David Irving, who I believe is one of the world’s foremost experts on Adolf Hitler, believes the “Table Talk” to be genuine. Interestingly enough, in another one of his table talks, Hitler says that he believes a return to paganism is not feasible either. If I’m not mistaken, he does so in the presence of Himmler. I’d have to look the passage up though.

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