One of the darkest chapters of multiculturalism in Holland is the enslavement of White women by immigrant men, mainly Muslims (see also “Pakistani family networks prey on White girls in the UK“). The current antiracist discourse makes White parents and their daughters blind to the dangers of foreign men. Since the 1990s the luring of Dutch women into prostitution by young foreign males has been documented and is worthwhile for a wider audience than the Dutch-speaking countries.
Immigration, women and group behavior
In the prevailing Islamic culture among the majority of Dutch immigrants (Turks, Moroccans), a woman should be a virgin until marriage and it is customary to marry with the consent of the parents and within the same ethnic group. Islamic immigrants have a very high rate of marriage within the same ethnic group despite the fact that the third generation has grown up in Holland. In 2001 between 90% (Turks) and 95% (Moroccans) marry within the own ethnic group. In 2007 (gelijke herkomst = common descent) and 2010 (allochtoon = foreign) the figures are not much different. When we look at those figures it should also be taken into account that word ‘autochthonous’ only says something about crib and not about creed.
Mass immigration means not only the settling of new individuals and foreign families, but ultimately leads to alien communities with their own lifestyle and values. In many cases those values don’t match and cause misunderstanding and even hostility. One very sensitive issue is the position of women. Dutch women with their individual freedom of sexual intercourse and partner choice are seen as morally low from an Islamic point of view, because they are more likely to hang out and have relationships with different men. Dutch women are seen as easy prey and lust objects due to their more unrevealing and sexually taunting ways of dressing.
It is very interesting to see that on the one hand Islamic men tend to go to places where Dutch women are most revealing and vulnerable (discos and swimming pools) and harass them (usually in groups), while they create a safe environment for their own women by demanding separate swimming hours for Islamic women in public pools. This kind of evolutionary group behavior to shield off their own women from Dutch man by veiling them and demanding separate leisure facilities, while at the same time extensively preying on Dutch women for the sake of sexual intercourse, has not been noted in mainstream scientific publications.
Loverboys and ethnic minorities
What’s also noticeable is that Islamic men tend to seek sexual intercourse with Dutch women, but at the same time they don’t seek a more durable relationship or children with these women. In Islamic culture marriage is deeply enmeshed in kinship relationships and not uncommonly is consanguineous (i.e., marriage with close relatives, typically first cousins). This pattern typifies the kinship-based eusociality characteristic of the Middle East (including traditional Jewish groups) and is the diametric opposite of Western marriage practices centered around individualist choice of marriage partner unenmeshed in extended kinship relationships (see “Altruism’s bloody roots“). Around 25% of Morrocans and Turks marry a close relative.
The sexual exploitation of Dutch women brings me to the phenomenon of the “loverboy”. In Dutch culture the English term ‘loverboy’ means the wooing of a woman by a man with the intention to force the woman into prostitution. In many cases the man uses a mix of mental pressure (he loves her, but needs money) and violence to make her prostitute herself.
Saban Baran, a Turkish national who is infamous for forcing over 100 White women into prostitution. He was merciless in beating women up and even tattooed them to show that show that they were his 'property'.
Photo of a victim of Saban Baran appearing on a website devoted to bringing Baran to justice. Baran fled The Netherlands while on leave from prison to be a with a baby born to one of his trafficking victims whom he married from jail. Turkey does not extradite its nationals.
Cartoon emphasizing Baran's notorious practice of tattooing his victims
The great majority of the ‘loverboys’ are of foreign descent, most notably Muslims. There has been extensive research by social scientists on this topic. The government-sponsored Willem Pompe Institute for Criminology released some figures on the ethnic composition of the group of loverboys in Amsterdam in 2004: 83% were of Dutch nationality, but of this number 37% was Moroccan, 17% was Turkish, 14% Surinam, 12% Antilleans and 7% of other descent (page 14). Looking at the ethnic composition of the Amsterdam population in 2004 there were 8,5% of Morrocan descent, 5,1% of Turkish descent, 9,6% of Surinam descent and 1,6% of Antillean descent (page 11). In both absolute and relative numbers minorities are overrepresented, the Antillean (Caribbean Blacks) by a factor of 7.
It is safe to say that over half of the loverboys are Muslims, but we should not dismiss the fact that a quarter of them are Blacks (Surinam and Antillean). Among Dutch passport holders only 13% can pass as native Dutch and this number sinks below 10% of we take into account that there are no native Dutch in the 17% non-Dutch passport holders among the loverboys in Amsterdam. In any case, it is an under representation by a factor of 5 because 51,3% of the Amsterdam population in 2004 was native Dutch. In another report of the Willem Pompe Institute for Criminology of 2006 professor Frank Bovenkerk acknowledges (page 20) that foreign men are at least partly driven by a contempt for the lifestyle of Western women.
Breakdown of White defense mechanism
The problems with loverboys are not exclusively Dutch. They exist also in neighboring countries like Belgium, England, France and Germany. In Belgium the newspaper De Morgen (17-9-1998) had the headline “Loverboys recruit minors for prostitution,” and the newspaper Le Soir (25-8-2003) published an article under the title ‘L’amour vendu aux “loverboys” (“Love sold to ‘loverboys’”). In all countries minorities play a key role, especially those from Muslim countries around the Mediterranean like Turks, Albanians (including Kosovars) and Algerians. It is a widespread problem in Western Europe because of the breakdown of White group defence mechanisms due to antiracism campaigns which deemphasize any hint of rampant criminality among ethnic minorities.
Even when figures show that more than 90% of the loverboys are of foreign descent, the police worry more about the discrimination against non-White loverboys than the protection of Dutch girls. A telling example is this movie by the Dutch police in which the question of whether all loverboys are foreigners (obviously phrased to be false even if 99% of loverboys are foreigners) is tagged as “discrimination”. The White girl asking this question in the movie is confidently corrected (Nee!) by the police officer who goes on to explain away the ethnic background of loverboys by describing them in more general terms as men who want luxury and quick money.
A major factor that makes prostitution more socially acceptable is the favourable way it is being portrayed in popular media. The above-mentioned professor Bovenkerk points out in his book Loverboys, on Modern Pimps (2009) that the movie Pretty Woman with Richard Gere and Julia Roberts (produced by Arnon Milchan) has contributed to a glamorous image of prostitutes and their costumers: rich men falling in love with prostitutes. In reality costumers of prostitutes don’t seek emotional satisfaction or love. Nevertheless, showing off with cars and cash and giving expensive gifts is the way loverboys usually attract women, just like in the movie.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
I hate to say it but the police are the pimps not the Saban Barans. Without the protection of the police the Barans of the world could not do the criminal work required to undermine our families and countries. And when I say the police I of course mean our White police who are the enforcers of all that is evil. Sorry, but that is how I see it, and may the Lord have mercy on their poor misguided souls.
There is a often repeated assertion in most White Nationalist circles, whenever the subject of IQ and race comes up – that certain flavors of Asians tend either meet or exceed the average IQ of White Europeans. Based upon most academic statistics, this assertion has plenty of easily verifiable documentation and therefore can be assumed to be generally true and is usually widely accepted. However, just as Jared Taylor has said on a number of occasions – it matters not, if your ethnic competitors are brighter or more talented and more industrious than you – they still are not ‘you’ and you still have every right to resist any efforts on their part to flood into your native homelands, shove you aside, and steal your nation and all it’s resources away from you. Since females, and the children they produce, are the main-spring of carrying on the genetic heritage of the race they belong to, they are probably the most precious resource of all.
This brings us to the subject of miscegenation – and what is clearly a global-wide epidemic among non-white men whereby they covet White European females and seem to be willing to do almost anything to grab one or more of them for their carnal pleasures. Now, let’s talk about numbers, okay?
Statistically, White Europeans today constitute about 10% of the entire world’s population, down from around 30-35% in 1900. Therefore, only an extremely stupid individual would see these statistics and not automatically grasp that miscegenation between Whites and non-whites poses a very serious, potentially genocidal threat to the very continued existence of White European people on this planet. Let me conclude: The group that makes up the 10% can very easily be absorbed and bred into extinction by race mixing with the other 90%.
Now, a number of years ago – I was given a work assignment that introduced me to a very sharp, highly intelligent professional who was of Northern Asian descent. I learned soon after our initial introduction that this fellow was married to a White, blonde-haired, blue-eyed female of European descent. He and she have now produced a pair of mixed race children. I recently ran into this fellow again, after not having seen him for a number of years – and somehow our discussion got onto Las Vegas and how thoroughly impressed he was after making a couple of business trips there (without his wife) over how many absolutely mind-numbingly beautiful women he saw while he was there. Now, I’ve been to Las Vegas myself a number of times – and so, I automatically knew from my own experiences that this Asian guy was referring to how many beautiful WHITE women are to be seen in Las Vegas. He made a few additional comments which I will not elaborate upon, but suffice it to say that this fellow was hinting about having intense cravings of the extra-martial variety and I was left with the impression that he had a demonic voice in his head urging him to act upon those cravings.
Why is this personal story relevant? Because it demonstrates that men who are non-White see White females as objects of sexual conquest. They are obsessed with this idea. It also demonstrates that these non-white men are not merely content with nabbing a White female for a wife; this act of appropriating for themselves the woman of another man’s race is not sufficient to satisfy their inner-most, perhaps even subconscious level desire to show their lack of respect and their disdain for the White man’s natural domain. They get a taste of white flesh and they want more and more and more of it. This spells genocide of White European people if it is allowed to continue indefinitely. It spells genocide of White European people if our White females continue to allow themselves to be bedded and used as breeding stock and as carnal sex objects to satisfy the animal urges of the 90 percent of the world’s population who are non-white.
Thus, when we turn on our TV’s or rent a movie put out by Hollywood – both of which are controlled by our jewish enemies – and we see their endless promotion of race mixing between Whites and non-whites, and when we see endless portrayals of ‘white men’ that are negative and demeaning, which are accompanied with portrayals of blacks or Asians or other races that are positive and flattering – we are watching a deliberate and malicious effort by jews to promote behaviors and lifestyle and mating choices which are designed to exterminate the White European people.
Genocide is a crime of International significance, my fellow White brothers and sisters. David Duke did a Youtube video not long ago where he discussed the jewish Nicky Sarkosy and how this evil jew basically threatened his White French citizens with ‘dire conseqences’ if they continued to refuse to voluntarily race mix with the hordes of non-white he has helped import from North Africa and elsewhere. Sarkosy even threatened that the government might have to take steps to mandate race mixing / miscegenation.
I’ll conclude with a question. For how much longer are White European people going to put up with this criminal attempt to engineer their genocide? Oh, and equally important is the question of how much longer are our women and men going to be stupid enough to assist in the genocide of their race by engaging in miscegenation?
I would be be interested if anyone can offer me evidence that Islam explicitly condones or promotes the prostitution of European or non-Muslim women. Stuyvesant seems to implicitly make this strange claim.
He also seems to imply that Islamic beliefs are somehow the cause of high rates of endogamous intra-tribal marriage found in the various Middle Eastern immigrant peoples. But Islam is a universal religion, so this is doubtful as a theoretical matter. I challenge anyone to find evidence that Islam explicitly promotes intra-tribal marriage.
It is more plausible that these marriage practices are the result of the cultures or natures of these Middle Eastern tribes–or of people generally. Islam, again, is a universal religion.
By the way, speaking as a European-derived male (and therefore someone who is attracted to justice and fair play), Stuyvesant’s disapproval of “antiracism” leaves me somewhat cold. Could he not have come up with a better way to characterize what is going on? Such as “campaigns against free speech”? Politically correct policing of Dutch freedom and discourse? “Politically correct” isn’t original, but it is better than antiracism. Does he really expect me feel galvanized by the opposite of an “antiracism campaign,” that is, a racism campaign? Sorry, I am not.
And why is TOO publishing an article that uses a “code word” (“antiracism”) for racism against Whites? Aren’t we supposed to be avoiding and deconstructing “their” memes and tropes and concepts?
Dr. Ken if you care to look beyond your White supremacist prim – you will be shocked to find out that both Jews and Muslims prefer to marry within their extended families – while Christians like marry within color, religion or nationality. So your problem with Muslims alone?
YES- Islam demands its female believers to take Virgin Mary as their model – while White female Christians prefer Marlon Monroe, BB and Monica Lewinsky as their models.
I would not blame Muslim men preying on half-naked White women – lest they like to be uncivilized or Muslim terrorists!!
But then what else could glue the neo-Nazis, White suremacists, Zionists and anti-immigrants together other that Muslim-bashing?
@Luke:
Thanks for coming here to share your story, Luke.
The questions you ask at the end of your comment have me thinking/wondering.
I’ll conclude with a question. For how much longer are White European people going to put up with this criminal attempt to engineer their genocide? Oh, and equally important is the question of how much longer are our women and men going to be stupid enough to assist in the genocide of their race by engaging in miscegenation?
If I had to take a guess, here is my answer:
Whites will continue to suffer as long as our culture remains immoral. I’m especially concerned with the incalculable amount of sexual immorality in White culture.
I think sexual immorality includes the following: masturbation, recreational sex, and lustful thoughts. Basically, any sexual thoughts or actions that are not for procreation.
Unless significant steps are taken to improve sexual morality among Whites, we will continue to suffer.
And the good news is, sexual morality is much easier and much, much more enjoyable than some might think/realize.
Our bodies, our minds, our lives belong to God. (That is a good thing; God wants heaven for us all.)
@Richard:
On December 20, 2010 – Pope Benedic XVI in his traditional Christmas address to Cardinals and officials working at Vatican – had claimed that child pornography is normal. The Holy Sea also claimed that paedophilia wasn’t considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.
Earlier, Pope Benedict XVI condoned the condom to have sex out of marriage without fearing AIDS…..
Women are taught to want to be sexually liberated, and not very committed to traditional family relationships. This notion is taught in schools, and extolled by the media. As a result, white men often see no particularly good reason to deal with these sorts of women.
Also, to their detriment, white men have significantly degenerated accordingly, and now many are not interested in marriage, but only expect to “live together” with a woman.
The ground of Matrimony is debased, now meaning anything but what it should. When queers can be “married,” what is the point? It is just a matter of time before other, more degenerate forms of “marriage” are considered normal.
One thing is certain, whenever a race does not protect or otherwise monitor its women, that race is doomed. At the same time, I wonder how prevalent it really is? My guess is that even most non-traditional women aren’t very interested in Negro or other dark men. But young teens? That is a different situation, since youth are always more rebellious and less wise.
@Rehmat:
rehmat: You’re taking this discussion too seriously. Let’s lighten it up with some jokes.
Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns a camel and a goat?
A. Bisexual.
Q. How do Muslims practice safe sex?
A. They mark the camels that kick.
Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns 6 goats?
A. A pimp.
Q. What do you say to a Muslim with his arm all the way up a camel’s rump?
A. “Having car trouble?”
Q. What’s the hardest part about a Muslim killing his own daughter?
A. Suppressing the erection.
@Rehmat:
ZioRehmat has the ADL/SPLC technique of claiming that all Christian European ethnic people who want to preserve their culture, values, societies etc. are Nazis and White supremacists down real good. As well as their technique of constantly demonizing the Catholic Church.
Try discussing on his blog about how Christians and Hindus are treated in his country of Pakistan, or how Christian Copts are treated in Egypt, and see how long you last there before having your posts deleted and getting banned from posting.
“The current antiracist discourse makes White parents and their daughters blind to the dangers of foreign men.”
That indigenous Dutch girls would be thrown under the bus is sick.
This is ultimately where feminism, liberalism, and cultural marxism end up..
And by the time we get there we are too nihilistic, too indifferent to do anything about it. That was the plan of Cultural marxists like the Frankfort school from the get go. Make western civilization “stink” take away hope, create doubt.
I think there is another reason for the indifference of the media. Israel shares one characteristic with it muslim neighbors – the shocking mistreatment of white Christian women – (israel is the center of the sex slave trade, and according to an article i read, they have a particular taste for blonds) . This is a sexualized version of the ‘revenge porn’ that Jews gushed over (inglorious basterds ) it shows and ancient hate and contempt of our people – both muslim and Askanazi alike.
I argued earlier that in addition to white leaders who traitors (the EU) ideological idiots like libertarians would say the problem is that prostitution is illegal and the age of consent is too low. Well… it is legal in Holland and they have a low age of consent (along with lax drug laws). it is no wonder they close to being underwater in more ways than one.
In a way , holland is the poster child for the reminder that libertine and liberty are at odds with one another.
@Rehmat:
Bestiality and pedophilia are fairly common among Pakistani Muslims and among non-White Muslims generally.
The prophet of islam, muhammed, was a pedophile.
An Pakistani proverb says “a woman for children, a boy for pleasure and a goat for variety.”
@Rehmat: Still waiting for you to condem your muslims brothers for this preying on underage white English girls.
Actually, I am not waiting anymore, you’ve helped me come to the conclusion that your ‘religion’ is at complete odds with human decency, and God.
I also notice you never answered my post about later suras of the sword superseding early ones of peace that you guys quote to gullible multiculties
@Richard:
I agree. The historical record is pretty clear. A decadent people will always be defeated by moral one. the early romans vs. the sex obsessed entruscans. The austere, religious Spanish vs. the decadent effeminate Moors.
I just pray we’re not added to that list.
That Whites are so afraid of standing up for themselves, and that they define themselves how their enemies define them, is proof of White inferiority. Whites are the only people dumb, gullible, and naive enough to think that defending themselves and their future is “evil.”
@Richard:
Hello Richard,
While I wholeheartedly agree with your observation that White people desperately need better moral instruction, the latest thing I’m hearing from liberals is similar to that which the muslim said in his comment above – that these White women somehow deserve this because of their behavior & the way they dress and that if they wish to prevent these sort of things from happening, then they need only adopt Islam as their religion! Of course, any suggestion to reintroduce Christian morality is met with derision.
So now it seems that morality is OK, as long as it’s not Western Christian morality. This has the same duplicitous ring about it that can be seen amongst feminists, who seem to think that the exploitation of women is wrong, except when it’s organized by third-worlders.
Do we really need to go to Mars to scrape some fossilized bacteria off some rocks?
Regards,
E.
@Jordan:
All you need to is see islam vs. Christianity in the same ethnic groups. For example, Arab Christian women are much freer and better treated than their muslim counterparts. White muslims, such as albanians, have the same behavior patterns (white sex slave trade, ) as their nonwhite counterparts.
That is a reason why Muslims hold Whites in contempt. The latter will not even protect their daughters if it means being politically incorrect.
@Jordan
“I would be be interested if anyone can offer me evidence that Islam explicitly condones or promotes the prostitution of European or non-Muslim women. Stuyvesant seems to implicitly make this strange claim.”
Wait, so you’re asking for explicit proof from an implicit claim?
How does that even work?
Of course, this phenomenom exposes what a pile of shit the left really is – the two predominant strands of modern leftism in the western world (ie privileging women ‘feminism’ or privileging non whites ‘antiracism’) are in conflict and the pea-brained lefties, who can’t see anything beyond simplistic totem poles of hierarchies of ‘oppressed minorities’, have no where to turn.
In the end, however, in the pea-brained lefty view of things, race trumps all, so it’s tough titty for white women.
As an aside, once upon a time all the left really was concerned about was workers’ interests, these days that deeply unfashionable cause means nothing to them.
Continuing with my rant, over the past century or so white men have been so disempowered that they have absolutely no control of their womens’ lives whatsoever – the lefty dominated courts would slash them to pieces in a heartbeat if they ever tried, and the feministas are further trying to legally castrate white men at every possible turn.The upshot is white women do the hell what they like and more or less rule over white men – a development that would have been unthinkable in any historic time period but present.
Men of the dark races never fell for this shit – and still control their women.A pakistani women who dared to act like a white hooker would have her throat slit in double quick time.
Having alieniated, humiliated and dominated white men (due to Freudian penis-envy reasons), the feministas of the left made common cause with the adrkies in political coalitions aimed at disenfranchising white men ( eg US Democrats).
Now wimmin are free to do what the hell they like, with white men being neueterd and the darkies encouraged to pour in, we get the inevitable result – and white women are the biggest losers.
In my opinion, they’ve alienated white men so much that there is no hope of recoery.
“Loverboy” This is the type of garbage that I hate more than anything. I live in the US so I’m not always up on what’s going on in Europe like the Sarkozy statement that Luke mentioned. I’ve heard about it (forced mesegination in France) but it’s still hard to believe. Also, can anyone tell me if Europe is improving at all with ending immigration since nationalist parties have made some recent gains. Or is it all too little too late?
When Muhammad became the de facto ruler of Medina,his first public act was robbing a caravan from Mecca. During the rest of his career as a prophet he continued with this kind of behaviour.In these acts of robbery men were killed,goods were confiscated and surviving women were “married” by his men (read: added to their harems against their will). Though Allah had restricted the number of wifes for Muslim men to four, Muhammad himself received a special “revelation from Allah” that he as a prophet could marry more.All in all Muhammad had a harem of eleven women,whom he visited every night in turn.When he once visited the house of his adopted son Zayd and saw his wife Zaynab unveiled, he praised her beauty, whereupon Zayd proceeded to divorce her sothat his adoptive father could marry her.To allay any feelings of scandal Muhammad got a timely “revelation from Allah” wherein this sordid transaction was condoned.The verse in which this message was couched is still part of the Koran,venerated by more than a billion Muslims as a divine revelation.
Then there is the marriage with Aisha. When Muhammad married her she was only 6 years old but he openly said he had sexual fantasies about her.The marriage was consummated when the child was 9 years old and Muhammad 54.Aisha became his favorite wife and he died eventually laying with his head on her lap, drooling and praising Allah. This is the man Muslims consider a “perfect man” (insan kamil) and all his conduct – including sexual behaviour – is a model for all Muslims to follow.What can you expect from people who have norms like these?I think after learnig the real character of this religion and its founder – and I haven’t even touched the subject of Islam and violence – it is about time to add the term ROGUE RELIGION to our vocabulary.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Well said.
Many secularist carry around the idea that ‘all religions say the same thing’ or “your personal beliefs dont matter’ or other value-less relativism. What we believe, or don’t believe, or if we all believe different things vastly effects our ‘society’ or even, the existence of a society.
Peter Stuyvesant:
It would be interesting to find out if this Saban is a Dönmeh Turk; a crypto jew that is.
I live in Holland myself and I wonder how many of the immigrants thriving in politics, culture and crime are ‘hidden jews’. We know for example that the jews are very powerful throughout the muslim world. Who knows how many of them came to Europe and pose as Moroccans or Turks. It would be a wonderful way to gain even more control of the European countries.
I myself suspect the Albayrak sisters, and it is for sure that this Moroccan PVDA politician Arib is jewish.
I well know this is preaching to the converted on this site. Multiculturalism is a sickness, a disease deliberately introduced into all White nations by our mortal enemy and it will certainly kill us off eventually unless we stop it.
On a Sydney beach in 2005 around 8 Lebanese males were seen harassing Australian girls. Three Aussie lifesavers noticed this and intervened. A fight ensued, resulting in one of the Lifesavers being taken to hospital with serious head injuries. A few days later a crowd of between 4 and 5 thousand young Australians gathered at the beach in protest. During this protest a youth of ‘middle eastern appearance’ had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and was roughed up by some in the crowd.
The next day, I think on a Sunday morning, in Maroubra a nearby beachside suburb up to a thousand Lebanese armed with knives, Iron Bars and Baseball bats began swarming down streets smashing Car windows and setting fire to them, assaulting locals at random, stabbings, bashings etc. One unlucky woman simply answered a knock on her front door and was greeted with a ‘king hit’ with a baseball bat to the face.
The PC media went into hyperdrive. Australian ‘racists’ youths were 100% responsible for this. They had to be prosecuted and hunted down by any and all means. It was all their fault, nothing must damage Australia’s image as a multicultural paradise. E-mail and Cell phone text messages were used (invented) to convict dozens of the ringleaders and ‘stirrers’. The editor of one of Murdoch’s fish wrappers suggested planting stool pigeons into sports ground and other places where young people gather and rewarding them if they reported someone making ‘racist’ comments.
It has come to this in Australia, where countless thousands of Muslim Lebanese live in Sydney’s dreary western suburbs.
I think most of the West European nations can be written off at this point. There’s obviously no collective, populist will to stop the immigration insanity, and I don’t see it happening any time soon. When it comes to the revolution, I put my money on the Slavs, Romanians, and Hungarians carrying it out. These people have been immunized against communist utopian ideals due to their personal experiences with it, and they have no love for the third world. They just need to get their birth rates up.
The question that has to be asked, and answered, is this:
how many of the non-whites pouring into our previously white countries have come as displaced persons or our new term refugees, in recent years?
My guess is a lot. This is one of the side effects of the AIPAC directed “War on Terror”. There would be no logical reason for Sweden, Norway, or Denmark to open their doors to these people, unless they were “in need”. France, Holland, and England had their overseas possessions, and German males were massacred in 2 world wars, therefore “guest workers” were needed. But Sweden, Norway, and Denmark had no such comparison.
In my city, the news is constantly harping on about the refugees from places like Somalia, Eritrea and Sudan. How are these people refugees? Their countries border neither Europe nor North America.
As for Muslims and prostitution, I know an Italian, who emigrated in the mid 1950s. A few years ago, his relatives from the south of Italy told him that the Albanians “refugees” were pushing the Mafia out of some areas where they were in high numbers. They had taken over prostitution, and were pushing to take over the drug trade. Kosovo, is now the entry point for Afghan drugs.
Unless people take on their elected representatives over this issue with threats of actively working against their re-election, don’t expect any of them to listen to you.
@me: Libertarianism is not libertinism. Prohibition does not address the causes of the problem, but it does raise prices and enrich criminals.
@Curmudgeon:
“This is one of the side effects of the AIPAC directed “War on Terror”. There would be no logical reason for Sweden, Norway, or Denmark to open their doors to these people, unless they were “in need”.”
I disagree. The tribe would be overseeing third world immigration no matter what the circumstances are. War, peace, wealth, poverty, whatever.
A lot of WN’s say it’s the founders’ fault that blacks are in America. Not true; even if blacks hadn’t been here for the last few centuries the tribe would be bringing them in anyway.
Great resource to spread around:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/362
@Trenchant: just read “reason” magazine they push every vice and socially destructive behavior possible, not to mention open borders and ending the nation state.
As for your claim that prohibition is bad.. so we should legalize heroin? meth? Restrictions and reasonable controls on anti-social and damaging vices are necessary for maintaining liberty.
It is no accident that we are more lax than ever on pornography, yet free political expression is more restricted than ever. The two go hand in hand.
@admins and KM:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/breaking_the_si_ence_fowlLEBaFdRumDAfT2gc0J
@Luke: You pretty well summed it up, Luke. This is a low level race war that is being waged against the White world, and the racial crimes and degeneracy that are seen in places like Holland, (a hotbed of liberal stupidity), will soon be coming to all White areas. The violent level of this anti-White confrontation has been rapidly escalating everywhere in the last 10 years or so, especially in the English speaking Western world. With less than 2% of the world’s population being White females of reproductive age, and considering how so many of them are miscegenating/breeding down with non-Whites of every type, our genetic future looks questionable if this self-destructive madness continues. Hopefully we will get a lucky historical break, and the tables will be turned in favor of an organized White ideological revolution. The pressure on Whites is going to have to be intolerable, if not severe, for this to happen, however.
@me:
<blockquote“…some 50 rabbis signed a public announcement in a Yiddish-language Brooklyn newspaper literally authorizing the murder of anyone who “informs” on a fellow Jew to secular authorities”.
This is again an example of the notorious Law of Mesirah that has been dealt with here several times before.And people still protest when Judaism is called “a crime syndicate masquerading as a religion”?
The Jewish press likes to report on pedophilia cases when it comes to catholic priests,but stays silent when it comes to orthodox Jews and their rabbis, among whom this phenomenon is far more spread.It is simply not true that “you have such criminals in all communities equally”.In the case of Jews,sex with underage children is explicitely allowed in the Talmud.
When I was in Morocco I was introduced to the city of Agadir (briefly) which is basically a red-light area on the waterfront. Most of the hookers there are Moroccan – I didn’t hang around long enough to get a good look. The place attracts a lot of Europeans, and specifically Germans. I was told by some Moroccan that the women there had done something or had something happen to them which made them less valuable as future wives (been raped or had become pregnant outside of marriage). So perhaps it is correct that the “loverboys” are imposing their cultural thought processes on European women. However, the sex trade is truly borderless and international in scope, and it’s sometimes hard to tell who is exploiting whom.
The “pure,” unadulterated dumbness, of many caucasians is mindboggling. It’s literally beyond belief. Quotas, second class status, denigration in movies and media in general, and a popular image equal to a baboon.
@fender: Agreed.
“It is very interesting to see that on the one hand Islamic men tend to go to places where Dutch women are most revealing and vulnerable (discos and swimming pools) and harass them (usually in groups),”
They systematically display this subhuman, animalistic behavior in Scandinavia as well. Like flocks of baboons screaming, terrorizing everything in their path. It is just unbelievable, really, this behavior. To bring in this kind of “men” into any society must be considered a crime against humanity.
@fender:
The side effect is refugee claimants. White countries seem to allow “refugee” claims in disproportionate numbers compared to regular non-white immigration. If there were no more wars for Israel, no more wars to “spread democracy”, and no more arming opposition groups, all of which benefit the banking octopus, then there would be no excuse for the “refugee” claims.
As a white woman who grew up in Los Angeles and faced down the pressure of advances by aggressive non white males, I have to say that if you don’t possess even the small amount of courage and common sense that it takes to say no to non white males and to return to the fold of your people, choosing the safety of a white male as a mate, then who the hell cares. There is no need to throw you to the wolves, you’ve already thrown yourself.
If you’re that stupid and worthless as a person that you’d actually allow yourself to fall for some time worn lies from the mouth of a non white predator, then you deserve what you get. I care not. Hopefully all these women who gave themselves both mentally and physically to these “loverboys” will eject themselves from the genepool by way of death.
I don’t care if that sounds harsh. The time is late and my patience for idiotic behavior is slim. One does not need to be told that most non whites are predators and that predators are bad. One should already know such things innately. If one does not, then, as is also the way in nature, one should be removed from the genepool.
@Curmudgeon:
The tribe will ALWAYS conjure up excuses for their behavior. That’s what they do: they come up with rationalizations for why they need to destroy nations. What was their excuse for ravaging America, the country that welcomed them with open arms? There wasn’t any, they just did it.
@Bobby:
I have no doubt there are some real men left in Holland who would not hesitate to deal with these criminals if they could. The problem is that they have no options.
If they speak out against these criminals, they will be prosecuted for hate speech. If they stage protests, the enemy will frame them as racist haters. If they go outside the law, judging from that picture of Saban Baran they will need guns or other weapons which probably cannot be obtained in Holland. If a few White men get together, catch these guys on the street, and beat them to a bloody pulp, they will be prosecuted as criminals. The enemy will use their media power to portray the Saban Barans of Holland as a victims of White Supremacist racist hate crime.
So, realistically, what can the minority of people of Holland who oppose these criminals do beyond what they are already doing: reporting the facts and speaking out on the Internet?
When every other option both legal and illegal will not lead to anything productive, there is not much else that can be done.
@Anon:
I identified what I think is an implicit proposition in Stuyvesant’s article, namely, that Islam >>> prostitution of white, or non-Muslim, women. I asked if anyone could offer some proof in support of that claim. Substantiation can be asserted for an implicit claim/assumption/proposition, just as it can for an implicit one.
The specific proof I have asked for is an instance, or instances, where Islam explicitly condones or promotes the prostitution of white, or non-Muslim, females.
I don’t see what has you puzzled.
@Jordan:
He also seems to imply that Islamic beliefs are somehow the cause of high rates of endogamous intra-tribal marriage found in the various Middle Eastern immigrant peoples. But Islam is a universal religion, so this is doubtful as a theoretical matter. I challenge anyone to find evidence that Islam explicitly promotes intra-tribal marriage.
It is more plausible that these marriage practices are the result of the cultures or natures of these Middle Eastern tribes–or of people generally. Islam, again, is a universal religion.”
I’ve heard that argument before. It implies that more than half a Millennium of Islam has failed to erode those “tribal practices”. So it tolerates, is happy to coexist with them and doesn’t have strong enough precepts to erase them. That almost creates an identity between the cultural practices and Islam, unless of course it can be demonstrated that the Islamic religious-secular leaders have waged a continuous war against such practices.
@Sandy:
I think you are right. Probably in a single night they are able to clean up the place. The state has huge resources and informations. Still they are doing nothing. This kind of criminal activity can’t exist without a strong cooperation between police, prosecutors, judges, politicians and even political parties, and probably more than anything the secret services.
If a policeman says that they are not able to catch a thug like that disgusting turk sub-human he’s practically saying he’s a moron, which he is not really. He is co-interested to play moron.
It is not any longer a situation when a policeman can grow his retiring funds by closing his eyes here and there. It is about that soon there will be no retiring place and all money in the world will not be enough to buy that place.
The police has to decide on which side they are. The corrupt and genocidal system or with their own people.
1. Weak and corrupt leadership – even it is said that the police is under politician control, the politicians fear police, because they are corrupt too and they have their share of every illegal business. This prostitution business means probably billions of euros alone, not accounting the drugs distributed by prostitutes.
2. Imbecilic penal code – it has no moral or scientific foundation. It seems that it is based only on the Karl Popper’s idiotic idea that “better 1000 killers freed than only one innocent behind the bars”. So practically any one can be freed for any stupid reason, for the fear of error
3. The cowardice of the so called good guys – the policemen, prosecutors and judges are all cowards. Even they are not an active part in such a scheme, they know, they see but yet do nothing, for their own comfort and privileges. A strange and perverted esprit de corps. They even shut up in the face of some self appointed “experts” proposing every aberrant idea in the media.
@thm:
WOW – the old idiot instead of proving with some logic that Rehmat is wrong – as usual start whining like ADL pig, Abe Foxman. Tell me thm, how many men your wife slept with before she hooked-up with you – or how mny girls you had sex before you couldn’t fool any other woman?
Oh, I know that’s part of your Judeo-Christian culture in which a virginity is considered a ‘handicape’, right!!
The European Peoples have to realise that the Gov in their respective countries DONT represent them .They have to get it through their heads that the people that are claiming to be Democratically elected to Gov are really just the Talmudic Masters allowable choice and nothing more . They don’t realise it .They went to University and got their piece of ass-wipe that makes them think there knowledge is TRUE but its not true but mearly the intellectual constructions of the people that HATE THEM and their civilisation .
We the People have to realise that our ‘leaders’ are merely Ziobots and Jonkeys performing their University trained role of destroying their people for ‘some’ pie in the sky impossible ideal that only benefit one group of people .
So the resolution is if THESE people in Gov don’t do what you want , KICK THEM IN THE ASS by hook or by crook .Because as sure as night follows day they will keep lying to you in the name of ‘we know better’ and turning our countries into chaotic nightmares that will be ruled by the same criminals that ruled the USSR and were never made to pay for it , because ‘they’ are still in control of the West who won the Controlled –Cold War.
Wakeup people your being had .
@Rehmat:
That’s funny rehmat because you haven’t addressed my points or Franklin R.’s we’re both on ‘death lists’ when you guys take over, aren’t we?
THM wrote:
ah yes, the muslim way, demand freedom of speech, use our virtues and principles against us, but only when its in your favor. Just like the ADL
@Fenria:
I am glad you had/have the strength, but many women do not. Many accept what the society around them says. Many lack any strong white males, in fact are taught that strong white males are sexist! racist! –
You should care. It is the obligation of stronger of us to lead, help the weak, I don’t know if you read the other article about preying on teenage girls in Britain. I hope you don’t think this is their fault too./ it is a failure of US as peoples. It is a failure of the older generations (the baby boomers in particular).
Do you think these low lifes would last a minute in a healthy society that didn’t have shame, guilt, beaten into them?
But even so we face an uphill battle – in holland, as another poster pointed out – you speak up and you’ll be prosecuted (geert wilders for example). In the US, unless you have some independent income you’re job will be in jeopardy, threats of violence are common – as is the tendency of the police to ignore it.
I don’t think any of this is an accident. I think our elite actually LIKE this sort of chaos- certainly from the jewish elite perspective, seeing white women degraded and /or interbreeding is desirable, but for non jewish elite, – creating this sort of chaos invites calls for more centralized control.
Only today I heard that Britain now has tougher forced marriage laws.. no one stopped to comment that such a law wasn’t necessary or even thinkable a few decades ago.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Fifty rabbis blatantly inciting violence for people obeying the law, – with hard evidence, in public, and the government does nothing.
How much clearer does it have to be?
Here’s another example of Mesirah, this time with the complicity of the authorities afraid of the Orthodox Jewish vote.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/breaking_the_si_ence_fowlLEBaFdRumDAfT2gc0J
@me: Laws against forced marriage is a liberal trick to diminish parental consult in marriage, therefore further weakening ethnic and family structures especially among the traditional families.
The same with laws against terrorists: in the end they use it against us http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/homeland-security-report_n_186834.html
“over the past century or so white men have been so disempowered that they have absolutely no control of their womens’ lives whatsoever”
I don’t know why issues such as these bring all the misogynists out of the closet – and it looks like this one had to give up some assets in divorce court and is still sore about it.
Nowhere in the teachings of Jesus is there any edict re: males controlling females. Jesus was extremely egalitarian, which filtered down to Western European culture and is an issue some (seemingly addiction prone) men tend to have a problem with. Your view of women as chattel (which is the essence of the prostitution issue) is extremely Talmudic.
This story is about men exploiting women for sex – particularly young women – and that happens all over the world. Not just in Holland. It’s not about your relationship problems, which appear to be of your own making. Let’s keep it on topic.
@Andrea:
Hi Andrea
You wrote:
I don’t know why issues such as these bring all the misogynists out of the closet – and it looks like this one had to give up some assets in divorce court and is still sore about it.
Nowhere in the teachings of Jesus is there any edict re: males controlling females. Jesus was extremely egalitarian, which filtered down to Western European culture and is an issue some (seemingly addiction prone) men tend to have a problem with. Your view of women as chattel (which is the essence of the prostitution issue) is extremely Talmudic.
Jesus might not have commanded wives to obey their husbands, but many passages in the New Testament clearly state that that is the best relationship. (Of course, husbands are supposed to submit to Christ, so both husband and wife are submissive to God.)
I’m not necessarily defending the comment from which you took that person’s quote; but I can see the value in traditional relationships, where wives are submissive to husbands. (But this arrangement only works in a culture where there are good, moral men.)
It’s understandable that many men and a significant number of women look at the effects of so-called feminism and decide that traditional values/marriage roles are truer to God’s design, more so than the “women can do anything men can do” kind of thinking.
I’m not expert, but I want to share my thoughts.
@Rehmat:
Rehmat, my post raised two issues, first that you are quick to label people on this blog as White supremacists, neo_Nazis etc. which is exactly what the ADL/SPLC does to anyone who takes a Christian European ethnic perspective, and 2. you refuse to get into a discussion about how Christians and Hindus are treated by Muslims in Pakistan and Christians in Egypt and the Middle East, while ever ready to complain about how Muslims are treated in Christian European ethnic countries.
Where is there a question of lack of logic? You are the one who gets illogical, with personal attacks etc. instead of a logical discussion of the issues. Your response is nutty.
I honestly tried to get some interesting discussions going on your blog, while respectful of you and of Islam. You are the one that blocked that and also are the one who doesn’t respond thoughtfully to my attempts to discuss issues with you on this blog.
I have nothing personally against you, Rehmat, or Islam either, as a religion.
I’ve tried to simply get in a discussion with you here and on your blog, while being respectful of Islam and you. you just won’t do it about these and other matters, such as your demonizing White South Africans etc.
Ins
@thm:
Last two paragraphs were supposed to be deleted and accidentally got left in. I wish this blog had a way of revising posts at least for a short time after being submitted
@Andrea:
Hi again, Andrea
I meant to include something in my original response to your comment.
You wrote the following in response to something a fellow commenter wrote:
“I don’t know why issues such as these bring all the misogynists out of the closet – and it looks like this one had to give up some assets in divorce court and is still sore about it.”
That was in response to this, from a fellow commenter:
“over the past century or so white men have been so disempowered that they have absolutely no control of their womens’ lives whatsoever”
I don’t necessarily support the overall tone of his whole comment, but I think the term “misogynist” is often misused.
Misogyny = hatred of women. Many men are accused of this, and I suspect that a large percentage of them do not actually hate women. They might strongly oppose so-called feminism, but that does not mean they hate women.
For example, I have doubts that women make good politicians or leaders in general, but I certainly do not hate women.
@thm: With or without the paragraphs that you meant to delete, you have characterized Rehmat to a T. As you say, disagree with him, even ever so politely—let alone call him out forthrightly on one of his numberless lies and slanders of Christianity and Christians—and his response virtually writes itself: you are one of Abe Foxman’s acolytes or catamites, and your carnal past and present are riddled with sordidness and deviance.
Given that, minus the blasphemous remarks about His Foxy Worshipfulness, this mode of attack is item no. 1 in the Tribe’s playbook, readers are left to conclude one of two things about Rehmat: either he is indeed a member or a hireling of the Tribe, or all Semites are brothers under the skin, and thus ad hominem argumentation is the default option for camel drivers and self-worshipers alike.
As I and many others have frequently noted heretofore, Rehmat the broken clock does occasionally utter a true word. There; he’s been given his due. Only a fool heeds a timepiece that’s right just twice a day, however.
“Jesus might not have commanded wives to obey their husbands, but many passages in the New Testament clearly state that that is the best relationship. (Of course, husbands are supposed to submit to Christ, so both husband and wife are submissive to God.)”
Yes – that is true – Jesus did not EVER require women to submit to men. If you are quoting St. Paul regarding submitting to men – what he was saying to women was an elaboration on Jesus’ teaching -e.g. that women should get an education. That’s about all it amounts to. It does not PROVE that men are superior and must be listened to at all costs. The man in those times had business out in the world and women did not. He was telling them to expand their boundaries. Read Jesus was a Feminist and you will understand this concept better.
“You wrote the following in response to something a fellow commenter wrote:”
I didn’t quote everything he said – if you go back and look at his nasty little speech, it is IMO rather hateful – it would be just as hate filled if it were directed at men, at a race, etc.
I have met a number of males like this and it’s always the same theme – some woman got the better of them in a divorce, they are unable to find a gf or wife because of some flaw of theirs a and have to hunt where the women are more desperate and cash shy.
As for your opinion of women as leaders, well, men haven’t been doing a bang up job in that dept either, I don’t really care who it is as long as the person is competent. Frankly I’m not young (not elderly, but not a kid anymore) and in my lifetime I’ve met very few men I’ve been impressed with. Why they all have such great opinions of themselves in spite of little evidence to support it is beyond me.
As I said, this discussion is about exploitation of humans, specifically women, for sex. It has little to do with feminism. It’s been going on for centuries, and mostly men are behind it. May we start talking about the faults of men, since that seems to be more relevant here?
Andrea is certainly right that exploitation of women crosses ethnic and religious boundaries; but as a matter of probabilities, my experience has been that women are much more likely to be mistreated by men from the Muslim world and by Mizrachi Jews as well. As a young woman, I spent six months backpacking through Europe and I remember ONE European male who harassed me–without touching me–but I was harassed non-stop by North Africans in France and Turks in Germany. Twice, I was the victim of attempted rape by these creeps–at least that’s what I call it when men grab me and start dragging me down the street and resist my efforts to pull away. On both of those occasions, I was wearing blue jeans, a long-sleeved shirt, a jacket and running shoes–I was not dressed provocatively at all.
I have talked with other women who have very similar stories, so my experience does not seem to be a fluke.
The simple fact is that, while most Muslims may be decent, polite people, a significant percentage of Muslim men think it is open season on non-Muslim women. Of course, white men have exploited black females in this way, too. It is not ONLY Muslims who do this. Still, the behavior of many Muslim men is aggressive to the point of criminality. An earlier poster asked for proof that this was inherent in Islam and suggested that this was a cultural phenomenon that exists apart from the religion. This may indeed be the case, but when this awful behavior is as widespread as it is, at least part of the blame lies with the religion itself for failing to rein it in. I will change my mind on this last point when I read about Islamic leaders in the West roundly condemning this behavior.
Jessica -
I’ve been to about 50 countries, and a few Muslim ones. I grew up in the US. Lived in Asia for close to a decade.
I live in an urban area on the West coast that is mostly white. In my own neighborhood, which is not a high crime area, I’ve been a near victim of attempted muggings over half a dozen times that I can recall. All of the perps with the exception of one light skinned Hispanic were white males.
An educated guess (my hobby is addiction studies) is all of them were substance abusers. The Hispanic (who was drunk when he ran up and pulled a knife on me) was for sure. This factor is often overlooked vis a vis criminality.
The first incident was when I was 20 – I lived within 4 blocks of a gas station that was near a busy intersection. The (white trash) males at this place would whistle and hoot every time I passed. This kind of behavior is NOT complimentary – it is a form of disguised hostility. I did not react, I ignored them. Did not look at them, did not make any faces or gestures.
One night I passed by the station, heard someone in there yell something, and the next thing I knew, a car pulled ahead of me into a nearby parking lot and out of it jumps this huge and very mean looking guy, who proceeded to glare at me like he was going to kill me. I got quickly inside a nearby fast food joint, which was empty of customers. He followed me in and proceeded to get up behind me and literally breathe down my neck – couldn’t do anything, as the guy behind the counter would have been a witness. The trash at the gas station had sent out some dufus hulking moron with an attitude to “get” me – I am not sure what this would have resulted in had I not been able to get away – murder, rape, both? For what? Well, ask some of those women in Pakistan (Muslim) and India (Hindu) who’ve had acid thrown in their faces for the same reason – ignoring male “attention”.
I’ve also been aggressed on in Muslim countries, but never anything as bad as this or what you mention. Is an ideology behind this? Which? How? What happened to me happened in an exclusively “Christian” white area.
I have heard many times that Islam actually liberated women and that women were in fact freer under it – It makes one wonder if Mohammed’s original discourse on this has been twisted and/or suppressed in the same manner as Christ’s teachings.
Hi again, Andrea. I’ll respond to some of your comment, which was a response to my comment.
Read Jesus was a Feminist and you will understand this concept better.
I don’t want to offend you, but I doubt I will ever read a book with that title. It might make some good points, but I can’t see myself reading it.
I have met a number of males like this and it’s always the same theme – some woman got the better of them in a divorce, they are unable to find a gf or wife because of some flaw of theirs a and have to hunt where the women are more desperate and cash shy.
There are many broken people, male and female, especially in our sinful culture. No doubt about that. It’s easy to understand how some people fall into the trap of blaming the opposite sex. It’s a temptation many of us have probably experienced.
I have visited so-called Men’s Rights websites, and some of the comments are truly misogynistic and point to genuine hatred of the opposite sex. And, as you probably know, there are women who feel and do the same toward men.
As for your opinion of women as leaders, well, men haven’t been doing a bang up job in that dept either, I don’t really care who it is as long as the person is competent. Frankly I’m not young (not elderly, but not a kid anymore) and in my lifetime I’ve met very few men I’ve been impressed with. Why they all have such great opinions of themselves in spite of little evidence to support it is beyond me.
I agree that most male politicians do not seem to be doing a great job. But I think that’s because… we live in a very immoral world. I think that many men (or males) have… let us all down. But I don’t support adding more women to leadership positions like congress as the solution to the immorality of male politicians/leaders.
I know that’s ‘sexist’. But I don’t see ‘sexism’ as inherently evil, and my views don’t come from a mean or hateful place.
(You never accused me of sexism or being mean.)
I think God, reality, and truth are sexist. And that’s a good thing for everyone. We’ve been sold many lies over millennia.
And to be totally honest with you, you’ve probably traveled more than I have, read more books than I have, etc. But I still have some strong beliefs when it comes to certain moral issues.
May we start talking about the faults of men, since that seems to be more relevant here?
I’ve been tinkering with the idea/belief that all moral problems are the result of sexual immorality. And men deserve most if not all the blame for our broken society. So-called feminism only happened because men allowed it. On the surface, it’s easy to say that women are just as immoral as men; but I think the responsibility ultimately lies with men. (I might be wrong.)
If you read my original comment under this article, I mentioned my beliefs on sexual morality and how important it is.
How many men do you think agree with my views on sexual morality? Probably a very small percentage.
And that, in my opinion, is the source of all problems in this world — sexual immorality. The theory is very simple. I can’t prove it with words or numbers or a photograph, but it’s a belief I hold. (Well, maybe the ultimate source is pride; some believe that pride, putting ourselves before God, is the root of all sin and suffering.)
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond.
If my comment is wrong (according to God) then I hope you and others forgive me.
@Andrea:
Queen Elizabeth in England and Queen Isabel in Spain would have been impossible in the Muslim world. Salamanca University had a female math professor at the same time.. all this is unthinkable in Islam. Women in the west have always been freer than anywhere else. But feminism is not freedom, it is unnatural indulgence to appeal to the narcissism of modern females.
Every peoples have trash like men who bothered you at the gas station, but to even begin to compare the treatment of women in the Christian West with India (where they were burned alive when their husband died) or Islam (harem sex slave culture) is… well cultural marxist feminist nonsense.
I don’t know what to say… heard many times from who? Cultural marxists trying to undermine the west? Muslims?
Read Franklin R’s post a few up. And remember heaven in islam is an oasis with 72 virgins.
“Read Jesus was a Feminist and you will understand this concept better.
I don’t want to offend you, but I doubt I will ever read a book with that title. It might make some good points, but I can’t see myself reading it.”
“I don’t see ‘sexism’ as inherently evil”
But Jesus did. He was freeing women (and men) from the idea that they were some sort of animal tied to their biology. We are human. We have a mind that needs to be cultivated, and a spirit that needs to be cultivated. Sexism gets back to straight physicality – something the Talmud and it’s concrete views is right at home with.
I didn’t think that most males would read a book with the word ‘feminist’ in the title. Their interest in women’s issues seems to cover only radical gender feminism (which I’ve never been in agreement with) mainly because it has bruised their egos. Some are interested in feminism only as far as it seems to block their access to overseas underage hookers, or as one blogger put it:
“His blog post title says it all: Questioning Sexual slavery. He demands DATA, because simply passing all those female junkies in the red light district and watching Frontline isn’t enough for him. (Amnesty International, Shamnesty International!) He is skeptical. Skeptical of what? Women’s words, of course.
Might this be an example of “bad faith”? Running a blog called “Feminist Critics” that you pointedly ban feminists from and then writing posts demanding readable DATA before you concede that sexual slavery exists? Uh-huh.”
http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2011/06/fun-with-anti-feminists.html
Christianity has taken a wrong turn because of this gender arrogance and consequently, we end up with abominations like Warren Jeffs and his 12 year old “spiritual wives”.
Males did not “allow” feminism any more than whites allowed the civil rights era. Neither were women were “given” the vote. Many fought, were imprisoned and died for it. It wasn’t handed to them on a silver platter.
Blaming “feminism” for human trafficking is a foil, an obfuscation, a baffle ‘em with bullshit move. It’s blatantly ridiculous. There was no reason for this discussion to head in that direction. Why did it?
Andrea is on the wrong site. I find her story to be unbelievable. I live in Kentucky and I have never seen that kind of behavior from white men. Maybe the west coast is different.
Shes clearly on this site to bash white men.
@me:
“Last Updated: 5:14 AM, November 27, 2011
Posted: 10:03 PM, November 26, 2011″
It seems they “revised” these two paragraphs out of the story — they are no longer in the link!
@thm:
Correction: the first paragraph is still there but the second one is missing!
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@Andrea:
When I used the word “sexism”, I meant the idea that men and women are different and complementary. Not that one is “superior” to the other.
And the differences between men and women are more than their outside physical appearance or physical abilities.
My reluctance to consider reading a book with the title “Jesus was a Feminist” is not limited to the word ‘feminist’.
Many people use (or misuse/abuse) Jesus/Christianity to push different agendas. Some homosexual activists have created Christian denominations based on their seriously misguided belief that Jesus supports homosexuality and the homosexual agenda.
Blaming “feminism” for human trafficking is a foil, an obfuscation, a baffle ‘em with bullshit move. It’s blatantly ridiculous. There was no reason for this discussion to head in that direction. Why did it?
I don’t know if this comment of yours is directed at me, but I never blamed so-called feminism for human trafficking.
Males did not “allow” feminism any more than whites allowed the civil rights era. Neither were women were “given” the vote. Many fought, were imprisoned and died for it. It wasn’t handed to them on a silver platter.
I believe men/males did allow it, over time, through their own immorality. Their immorality and sinfulness got reflected back to them in the form of so-called feminism.
Why do people on this site keep deferring authority to the socialist hippie Jesus? The preservation of Europeans and their culture is not going to come from xianity. For god’s sake, give up the ‘turn the other cheek’ and ‘render unto Caesar’ nonsense. If one must be religious, turn to the Old Gods or at the very least, Hermeticism. We need all the help we can get and it sure as hell won’t come from xianity. That sect’s egalitarian views is the reason we are where we are today.
@fender:
The tribe seeks to control all things. The result of their control is destruction. This is so, whether it is banking, US foreign policy, or professional sports. Everything they touch turns to shit.
My point is simply that the tribe has controlled, or at the very least, heavily influenced immigration policy. The immigration policy, including amnesties, are based on the notion that “Western” countries should solve the social problems of 3rd world countries by “helping” them come to a better life. The better life is often sought because of the violence in their own country. The violence in their own country is often caused by “black ops” of Mossad, CIA, or MI-6. This is part of the foreign policy controlled by the tribe.
Quite frankly, I could care less if another country is a “democracy”, or if an armed group in another country overthrows the government and does a Pol Pot. If white countries do not arm or assist the overthrow, we are better able to distance ourselves from it, and refuse “refugees”. Meddling is a tribal specialty. Let them solve their own problems and keep them out of my country.
Europe, once the heartland of Christianity – has long been transformed into heartland of Hedonism (doctrine that pleasure is the chief good). Its anti-religious culture of pornography, drugs, terrorism, gayism, feminism, bigotry, racism (proven in 2009 at Durban II Conference). Jewish Lobby groups have become so powerful that insults to Christianity, Islam and their founders is tolerated as “freedom of press”, but criticism of Jewish Holocaust is a crime in several European countries – punishable with jail and heavy fine – is fully supported by European Jewish elites. No ‘revisionist’ will ever be jailed in any of 57-Muslim nation-states nor they would tolerate Blasphemy against any of Biblical prophets.
In Holland, Muslims account for 5.5% of the country’s total population of 16.5 million. Country’s largest Muslim population is in Amsterdam (24%) followed by Rotterdam (13%).
@Rehmat:
Rehmat – I would like to better understand your motives in being on this site. Are you willing to explain? You don’t seem to be trolling or abusive, but nor do you seem to have much affection for white peoples. Although nor do you seem to dislike us.
So what is your vision? What is the connection between whites and Muslims in your view? What would you like to see happening? In what ways would you like to change attitudes of people here? In other words, why are you here?
@Jason:
I got the same feeling reading Andrea’s comments. She’s full of it.
She claims to live in an urban area on the west coast that is majority white. Where, pray tell, might that fantasy land be? Majority white only if mestizos, jews, arabs, and sundry other non-whites count as “white.”
@remain: Quite. She might also be one of the regular trolls using a different screen name and adopting a testicularly challenged identity to take advantage of the reflexive chivalry of at least the majority of the regular commenters. It is clear from her “Jesus was a hippie” or “Jews for Jesus” type grift that she has less interest in genuine interactive communication than in just mouthing off.
The article is good and well written. Shows the plight of white slavery very thoroughly.
I do not like the idea of using the phrase “sexual intercourse”. Is the author deriving some secret pleasure by using this phrase.
A simple phrase such as “physical relations” or word “sex” should suffice.
We must maintain the Victorian modesty in speech. This is the key to Western revival.
Andrea, Please ignore those who are trying to drive you away from this site. I hope you continue to provide us with your distinctive perspective here @ TOO. Diverse opinions are no hindrance to learning.
I have a small story of my own on this subject that I’d like to share with you.
I’m a Canadian. For a long time I lived in Toronto – a large and Cosmopolitan city by anyone’s standard. At that time, (late 90′s) my female friends thought nothing of leaving a club late alone and finding their own way home at the end of a night of collective fun. We all lived in the downtown core and “home” was usually 10 or 15 minutes away by foot. There was no reason to think anything bad would happen to them because it never did. We lived in a secure and respectful environment. And it is largely still that way today…
But then I attended a conference in Annapolis, Maryland – my first ever in the United States of America…
When I checked into my hotel there was a mix-up with my reservation and so I was put in a room that had not yet been cleaned – a fact I learned only after entering it.
When I called the front desk to ask them to send a housekeeper to my room to clean it and change the linens I was told that was impossible at the time because both of their security people were engaged elsewhere.
I was incredulous! I had asked for housekeeper to clean the room I had paid for – not an armed guard! I had just driven for 12 hours and I wanted to go to bed.
The person on the phone then asked me if I was a foreigner and after I admitted that indeed I was, explained to me that their housekeeping staff were not allowed into a room if the guest was in it and when they did come to clean my room there would be an armed security guard attending to ensure I left. They would be happy to buy me a drink in their lounge while I was waiting for my room to be cleaned…
The next morning, very early, I left the hotel to drive to the conference location. I got confused about where I was going and noticing a well-dressed professional woman walking alone in the old core of Annapolis, dressed in a Power Suit with her briefcase in hand, I pulled up beside her (from behind) in my brand new luxury car to ask for directions. The millisecond she heard my voice say, “Excuse me…” she JUMPED OUT OF HER SKIN AND LEAPED TOWARDS THE STORE FRONTS AND AWAY FROM ME!!!! I might as well have been demanding she strip and service me right there on that bright October morning on the sidewalks of Annapolis, Maryland with a gun in my hand!
I was shocked that a country I had always considered as pure as my own was a place where a cleaning woman couldn’t feel safe in her workplace without the presence of an armed guard to protect her from assault or a professional woman could be so dramatically afraid of a stranger’s voice in broad daylight on a main street of a large dynamic city that she would leap as far from me as was possible… Away from ME(!) – a well-dressed, polite, obviously successful white male sitting in a car idling at the curb!
Those two minor experiences were the beginning of my long drawn-out awakening from naivety about America – a land I now know to be chock full of carnal predators of all colours, shapes and sizes – a country with a violent pornography industry that rivals the size of some country’s GDP.
My point? I can see the truth in your story and I’m positive I’m not alone in thinking that in this comments section.
There are monsters everywhere. It’s easier for most people to ignore who they are instead of re-evaluating their outdated (or deliberately distorted) belief systems. That’s why some of these misogynists want you gone. You’re poking a stick into their preconceived notions and they don’t want to get stung with disturbing facts. They want you to confirm their prejudices, not correct them. They’re not bad guys. They’re afraid too – just like that attractive female executive I frightened by asking directions.
After posting my original comment (above) I started revising it on my personal computer. The original post is heartfelt and carelessly, off-the-cuff-passionate – the re-write is better – more considered. I hope some of you read it.
Andrea, Please ignore those who are trying to drive you away from this site. I hope you continue to provide us with your distinctive perspective here @ TOO. Diverse opinions are no hindrance to learning.
I have a small story of my own on this subject that I’d like to share with you.
I’m a Canadian. For a long time I lived in Toronto – a large and Cosmopolitan city by anyone’s standard. In the late 90′s my female friends thought nothing of leaving a club late alone and finding their own way home at the end of a night out. We all lived in the downtown core and “home” was usually 10 or 15 minutes away by foot. There was no reason to think anything bad would happen to them because it never did. We lived in a secure and respectful environment. And it is still largely that way today…
But then I attended a conference in Annapolis, Maryland – my first ever in the United States of America…
When I checked into my hotel there was a mix-up with my reservation and so I was put in a room that had not yet been cleaned – a fact I learned only after entering it.
When I called the front desk to ask them to send a housekeeper to my room to clean it and change the linens I was told that was impossible at the time because all of their security people were engaged elsewhere.
I was incredulous! I had asked for housekeeper to clean the room I had paid for – not a security guard! I had just driven for 12 hours and I wanted to shower and sleep.
The person on the phone then asked me if I was Canadian and after I admitted that indeed I was, he matter-of-factly explained to me that their housekeeping staff were not allowed into a room if the guest was in it and when they did come to clean my room there would be an armed security guard attending to ensure I left.
…They would be happy to buy me a drink in their lounge while I was waiting for my room to be cleaned…
The front desk clerk was an East Indian man and ingenuously eager to please, the armed security guard was a surly, poseur Black male who breathed through his mouth too much, looking furtive, pumping muscles I didn’t know existed and the housekeeper was an exhausted but still gracious over-worked Latin-American middle-aged woman who performed her job flawlessly.
The next morning, very early, I left the hotel to drive to the conference location. I got confused about where I was going and noticing a well-dressed professional white woman walking alone along the just-washed sidewalk in the gentrified core of Annapolis, dressed in a Power Suit with her briefcase in hand, on a gorgeous mid-October early, early morning, I pulled up beside her (from behind) in my shiny luxury car to ask for directions. The millisecond she heard my voice utter, “Excuse me…” she JUMPED OUT OF HER SKIN AND PHYSICALLY LEAPED TOWARDS THE STORE FRONTS AND AWAY FROM ME!!!! I might as well have been demanding she strip and service me right there on that bright October morning on the sidewalks of Annapolis, Maryland, armed with bloodshot eyes and a gun in my shaking hand!
I was shocked that a country I had always generally considered as “Leave It To Beaver” as my own was a place where a cleaning woman couldn’t feel safe in her workplace without the presence of an armed guard to protect her from assault or a professional white woman could be so dramatically afraid of a stranger’s voice in broad daylight on a main street of a large dynamic city that she would leap as far from me as was possible… Away from ME(!) – a well-dressed, polite, obviously successful white male sitting in a car idling at the curb!
Those two minor experiences were the beginning of my awakening from naivety about what I had been told about America was as opposed to what it actually is – a land I now know to be chock full of carnal predators of all colours, shapes and sizes – a country with a violent pornography industry whose financial impact rivals the size of some other country’s GDP. And, incidentally, a country deliberately designed by its latest architects to erase Western Culture and White Individualism from the pages of its history…
My point? I see the truth in your story, Andrea, and I’m not the only one. Bet on it.
There are monsters everywhere, not just in Black or Muslim or Jewish or Chinese or South American or Mexican neighbourhoods.
It’s easier for most people to ignore who the monsters are than to make the effort to re-evaluate their own outdated, (and sometimes deliberately distorted) belief systems. That’s part of the reason some of these misogynists who are whining about you want you gone. You’re poking a stick into their preconceived notions and they don’t seem to like getting stung with disturbing, dissenting facts. They want you to confirm their prejudices, not correct them and if you’re unwilling to go along with them, they want you disappeared.
But still, don’t forget they’re NOT bad guys, Andrea. (Not that I think you would…)
They’re afraid too – just like that attractive female executive I frightened by asking for directions on the sunny, shiny streets of early-morning October Annapolis all those years ago.
“I would be be interested if anyone can offer me evidence that Islam explicitly condones or promotes the prostitution of European or non-Muslim women. ”
Doesn’t have to. You encourage a worldview that leads to people seeing European or non-Mulsim women as non-human, even among a minority of the population, and this result is inevitable.
Sobering stuff. Linked and commented here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2011/12/culture-clash.html
@arthurdecco:
Accusing others of “misogyny” is a serious allegation.
@arthurdecco:
Your story about the hotel sounds very unique and unusual.
I’ve never heard of anything like that before.
The same is true for your other story, the one about asking for directions.
I’m not accusing you of lying. But I find it strange that those are the only memories/stories of America you decided to share.
Most Americans won’t appreciate your warped interpretation of our country. Our culture does have serious problems, but the stories you describe seem extraordinarily odd. And it’s also odd that you have nothing good to say about America.
You seem to have a very high opinion of Canada, while have a very low opinion of America. You also seem like a self-righteous male “feminist”.
Just because some people here oppose so-called feminism does not mean they are “misogynists”.
The money line:
“It is a widespread problem in Western Europe because of the breakdown of White group defence mechanisms due to antiracism campaigns which deemphasize any hint of rampant criminality among ethnic minorities.”
We need to begin forming ethnic clubs again in order to foster group identity for support and protection without attacking other ethnic groups. Cultural cohesion and defensive only.
@Massah: Correct Massah.
‘Christianity’ is in fact well-disguised Sun Worship. Everyone who bothers to study and understand the sun-dial operation of St. Peter’s Square, situated right in front of the Vatican no less, will know and understand this truth. ‘Jesus’ never existed. His life story is a myth, probably concocted with the help of those already familiar with the Hindu story of Krishna: the similarities between the two are more than remarkable.
Everyone of European descent should find the courage to return to their original spiritual (pre-Christian) roots. Doing so will give us immense collective strength.
I have NO sympathy for any White woman who chooses to get so close to a non-White that the non-White is in a position to steer them into prostitution. The fact that these women were in this position proves they were already race-traitors.
This whole thing breaks my heart; seeing beautiful white women with Nordic blond hair and blue eyes… the most beautiful of the White race, mating with non-Whites is horrible! How can we blame them though, when parents no longer raise their children correctly, with morals, standards, and priorities? They are allowed to participate in things that contaminate the mind: attending the wrong schools, watching TV and movies, and socializing with the wrong types of people. If parents want their grandchildren to look like them, they need to give some forethought and planning to their progeny. It can be done, if husband and wife are of one mind and work as partners with their priorities straight.
@ Richard: I very much like the way you think and believe, and I believe similarly. I would like to be friends; it would be great to talk to another Christian who is racially conscious. My e-mail is nwosucks@hotmail.com
@ Thomas Mallon:
“We need to begin forming ethnic clubs again in order to foster group identity for support and protection without attacking other ethnic groups. Cultural cohesion and defensive only.”
Yes. And I would like to add, finding a way to allow women to stay at home, have home-based businesses, and home school their children as well as others in the group. If it works for other groups, it can work for us, too.
@Hedgerow:
I am rather concerned at the social impact of the mix race sprogs produced by these rather unsavoury and certainly perverted unions.