With a Whimper

Matt Parrott


This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
— T.S. Eliot, The Hollow Men

Just as the more harsh totalitarianism of yesteryear has been replaced by the soft totalitarianism practiced by our hostile elites, the harsh collapses of yesteryear will be replaced by a series of insidious soft collapses. A levy will break over here. A riot will break out over there. Like a man who’s been castrated, we’ll steadily weaken by degrees both inwardly and outwardly. Where we were once muscular, we’ll find ourselves weak. Where we were once up to the challenges we faced, we’ll find ourselves shrinking from them. The West will likely be the last to know, as we’ll spiral even more deeply into denial and distraction while thing fall apart.

When the Mexican Army kicked off the Mexican-American War with the Siege of Fort Texas, they did not yet realize they were merely Mexicans up against a dramatically more capable opponent. They saw themselves—incorrectly—as the obvious and natural heirs of the great Spanish military tradition and were more surprised than anybody by the disastrous outcome. Similarly, contemporary Americans see themselves as the obvious and natural heirs of a great nation, a nuclear power with a sprawling military empire, an unparalleled economy, and an enviable commitment to the highest Christian and Enlightenment virtues—incorrectly.

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Mexico: Before and AfterOur equivalent of the humbling that Mexicans experienced as a people will be more soft. It will occur behind closed doors at the global summits, in trade negotiations, and in countless casual conversations about current affairs. In fact, it’s already happening. A series of bubbles of false prosperity have been percolating since the collapse occurred at some undefined moment in the previous decades, perhaps with the Immigration Act of 1965. That’s when the bottom fell out on America’s demographic profile. The economic collapse began in 2007, having been held off for several years by the fortuitous discovery of a truly enormous “greater fool” for the federal government’s Ponzi scheme: China. Perhaps the sociocultural collapse began when Jews leveraged and adapted the war propaganda of WWII into a pervasive secular religion of anti-White and anti-traditional “Holocaustianity”? The metaphysical and metapolitical collapse occurred much earlier, perhaps a millennium earlier, only now accelerating at this late stage of spiritual necrosis.

Perhaps there will be a dramatic event of some sort which will be easily labeled “The Collapse”, but I doubt it. The notion that the collapse will be some sort of epic global event relies on the obsolete notion that we White people matter as much as we used to. We don’t, and the world will get along fine without our occupying a central role in it. The Jews who’ve been joyriding this Western vehicle will become increasingly frustrated with its declining reliability. Even now, our military has been a huge disappointment in their effort to “Secure the Realm”. Not only are Iraq and Afghanistan no more friendly to Israel than they were before, but the Muslim Brotherhood is eating Israel’s lunch while we’re picking up the tab in the aftermath of the Arab Spring revolts.

Of course, we’re not really picking up the tab. The productive economies of the Far East are picking up the tab in the form of “loans” to the United States government and investment in our economy. These loans are predicated on a false assumption that the West can and will recover from its current malaise and provide a return on investments in it. It won’t. One by one, the numerous Asian businessmen are glaring pensively at their laptops and realizing that they’ve been had. One foreign investor is probably having that very realization right now. My parents lived in fear of a Russian communist pushing a big red button, but the death of the West will come with the rhythmic tapping of a Chinese capitalist’s laptop keyboard.

America: Before and AfterFrom a historical perspective, there’s nothing mystifying about White decline. There was no “collapse” in Brazil’s decline from a promising and prosperous Portuguese colony to a third world cesspit. There was no “collapse” in India’s decline from a wealthy and advanced Aryan empire into a diseased and dysfunctional bazaar of desperation and depravity. Even to this day, Brazilians and Indians cling to the illusion that they’re not collapsing or collapsed. In fact, they’re eager to brag about how much they’ve been “developing” lately. While the overwhelming majority of Brazilians and Indians have been pulled into the undertow, a Whiter-than-average elite remains in both countries, comprised of those who’ve managed for generation after generation to straddle the abyss.

We’ll have that here, too. We’ll have White people who manage to succeed in the new multiracial and multicultural context. But they’ll only succeed relative to their context. They’ll stand at the bow of their sinking ship, beaming with pride at their superiority relative to their drowning countrymen and dimly aware of how far they’ve sunk relative to their ancestors. Without a deeply rooted inter-generational tradition to inculcate and enforce racial hygiene, interracial marriage will become routine and the race will die out. While there will surely be people who are pretty much White for several centuries to come, they’ll be effectively if not actually exterminated, much like the Indigenous Australians, Amerindians, and Ainu tribesmen remain as socially, politically, and demographically barren refugees from the past.

The process has already passed the critical tipping point in America, with simply too many Americans having a half-Asian nephew, a loyal Mexican co-worker, or a Black childhood friend. They’re already gone. They’re already barren. America’s nascent development of an exclusively White ethnic identity was killed off too quickly and too completely to be recovered in any comprehensive manner at this late hour. “America” can only decline (by a series of soft collapses) into a third world mockery of the great nation and state our forefathers struggled to carve from the frontier and entrust to their progeny. The last opportunity for a comprehensive reversal occurred well before I was born and there was simply too much money and well-organized opposition for the few torch bearers of the prior generations to achieve their ambitious goals.

That’s not to say there’s no hope, it’s just that the hope must be shrewdly invested in the only possible strategy for success: a radical departure from not only the national identity but from the very metaphysical foundation upon which it was built. I don’t know how exactly that would take shape, but Jesus Christ, Mohammad, Genghis Khan, and Brigham Young demonstrate that it is indeed possible for a new nation, tribal identity, and even civilization to emerge very rapidly from very humble beginnings. We should take a moment to reflect on what’s been lost and perhaps even whimper a bit. But then we need suck it up and do what our nature inclines us to do: leave this world behind and pioneer the uncharted territory lying before us.

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Matt Parrott is a pro-White community organizer.

244 Comments to "With a Whimper"

  1. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    January 9, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    This article hits hard. It is painful to digest. What Mr. Parrott is saying could well become true, assuming that no sudden situation changes this apparently irremediable path. I don’t know what this could be, I am not necessarily thinking in a patriotic revolution in the US. It could be something else, even beyond human control, maybe mother nature (aka God) coming up with some surprise?
    A minor point though, Brazil was colonized by Portugal, not Spain.

  2. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 9, 2012 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

    We need to stop worrying about the “West” and “cvilization” and start worrying about simply surviving as a distinct people. If that means giving up North America and Europe, that’s fine with me. If that means being reduced to about 60,000,000 Whites globally, that’s fine. Just as long as we have a home specifically for us. Iceland, anyone?

  3. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    January 9, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    If this grim scenario does come to happen, future honest chinese historians, or whoever writes history then, most proably will arrive to the conclusion that the there was indeed a bang before the fall of the white man. The bang being the German effort in WWII against the united forces of bolchevism and usury captialism of course. An affair in which the US played a rather sorry role…
    The second world war really was a World Wide Defeat, as S. Borrego book put it.

  4. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 9, 2012 - 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Great article, hard truth, but necessary to digest. I suspect this message will do more to wake up reachable Whites than the more thundering rhetoric that is sometimes around. It also has the advantage of being true.

    It will be all to easy to demonstrate to people in a few years what all has been lost. We have TV shows from the late 60s that show, not just a different nation but a different civilization.

  5. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    January 9, 2012 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    The fable of the scorpion and the frog: http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html
    Ring any bells?

  6. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 9, 2012 - 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, Mr. Parrott, that bit of sweet-talk is guaranteed to make any sensible woman want to settle right down and start having babies! Buck up, men! It is not nearly as dark as all that.

    We are, understandably, reluctant to admit how wrong we were, how far down the wrong road we have traveled. The signs are all around us that people are increasingly unable to escape the consequences of our foolishness.

    A woman interviewed on Cspan said that she was leaning toward Dr. Paul, because he was the only candidate who is looking us in the eye and telling us that the fix is going to be painful.

    We have been careless in wealth but the bill is coming due. It forces ordinary people to take a look at how we got here. Everyone who cannot afford to live exclusively in a gated community is afraid of black crime. No one images anymore that if we just take the boot off of the necks of those poor black folks,they will step up and make us proud.

    No one is really happy about the state of gender relations in this country. There are far too many unhappy, lonely, people who simply accepted the media promises of what would lead to a happy life. Where are those women who did everything for their career, in order to avoid the insecurity of possible divorce, now that the economy has tanked.

    The gig is up! We are, underneath it all, still sensible people. We will do what we must to restore a decent life for ourselves. It will require women to admit that they are not better off without men, that it is far more degrading to keep a series of difficult, mercenary bosses happy than one husband. We are simply wanting for the right men to step up, accept authority, and start telling the truth.

  7. January 9, 2012 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    This is the way the USSR ended
    This is the way the US ends

    How the colonial wars by the Zioncon warmongers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan and Libya has cost to American public – can be judged by a recent special report issued by the US Census Bureau.

    According to the report – 46.2 million Americans are now living in poverty. The number of those living in poverty in America has grown by 2.6 million in just the last 12 months. Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. The last time the poverty level was this high was back in 1993…..

  8. Henry's Gravatar Henry
    January 9, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    This may sound crazy, but the only way I see White people surviving is through colonies through out the West. And perhaps genetic engineering, NOT cloning, but, well, has anyone ever read the book Brave New World? Of course it isn’t natural and there are enormous ethical problems but, it may be a way to preserve the various ethnic groups and maybe even cultures of Europeans. I think that most of what Mr. Parrott has described has indeed come to fruition. Just an evening spent surfing the internet will show any reasonable White person that this is indeed a very hostile and dangerous world and the dark tide is coming. Just look at the filthy porno culture that many damaged White women today seem to have no problems with, and the dating habits of young Whites and the ghetto culture which does nothing but promote and glorify the most base and despicable human behavior like pimping, prostitution, drug use and violence etc. Not to mention what is going on in South Africa. Stay safe friends.

    http://amren.com/news/2012/01/reverends-kill-whites-tweet-a-shocker/

  9. January 9, 2012 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    No, Matt. The collapse will in fact come quite suddenly, precisely, and fairly soon: the next time an American carrier battle group enters the Hormuz Straits. After that, all bets are off, both in the Middle East – vis a vis Israel – and in the US, re the Jews and their ethnoid stooges. When the dust settles, all sorts of ethnic, national, and civilizational issues will have been resolved. Invest in lead.

  10. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    January 9, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    PLE time, everyone! Let go of the past! Buy up the good land while you still can, get your friends to buy land next to you, let’s build as many new small white nations all over the world as we can and connect them, one corridor at a time! Forget which zobgot is running for President. It’s time to build our own nations! Buy up all the resources. Buy up all the arable land. We are a race within a race, a nation within a nation. We must forget what is lost and concentrate on what can still be had!

  11. Great_North's Gravatar Great_North
    January 9, 2012 - 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Parrott:

    This is a powerfully written and persuasive essay. You are still young however and the future is not yet written. Among your many examples of permanent decay there is an exception. That exception was 16th century Spain. Spain of the late 15th century had much in common with late twentieth century America. The established Habsburgs as a power were weak and Christian Spain had long been under the insidious influence of the Jew as well as the noxious moslem ‘Moors’. Yet, in spite of these circumstances Spain, under the conscious leadership of Isabella and Ferdinand, recovered and went on the dominate much of the new world. Perhaps European America will yet emulate Spain of 500 years ago?

  12. Josey Montana's Gravatar Josey Montana
    January 9, 2012 - 11:20 pm | Permalink

    We shall have fewer Americans, but better Americans.

    Besides, Fukushima mutations may be good for us. Stranger things have happened …

  13. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 9, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    I personally intend to buy land in the countryside and learn to live off the land. If all whites move out to the country, when Rehmat’s people nuke all the cities, I will be ready to take care of my family, I hope. I’m afraid that someone is going to be shedding blood somewhere, because this multicultural bull hasn’t worked anywhere, and I do not understand how some of you white men who are working in big companies and have an incompetent minority boss can stand it!
    Years ago, the 1980′s, I was in the ROTC at my college. The damn Colonel who ran our unit promoted every minority and female freshman both times the first semester when promotions came out. I got only one stripe, even though I aced the AFOQT and made an “A” in the ROTC class. (admittedly, not the hardest class) I didn’t sign up for the second semester, and he asked me why not. I said that if the future of being in the Air Force means that kind of reverse discrimination, I guess I don’t belong. He said he understood and shook my hand, and looked a little sad. That is when I decided it is the white men at the top who sell us out to preserve their own skin who need to be the first ones carjacked by the coming rioters, the ones who supported affirmative action who need to get crucified as racists by the ungrateful minorities they promoted.

  14. Eric Nowak's Gravatar Eric Nowak
    January 9, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Well said, Alice. Thanks for your comments! I’ll be taking the with me.

  15. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 12:40 am | Permalink

    @Eric Nowak:
    Thanks, you restore my faith. If I didn’t know better, listening to this crowd would make me think that men just can’t run the world without good women behind them. Leave you boys alone for a generation or two and look what happens!

  16. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 1:32 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: Those Whites that imagine they will get by Okay by cooperating with the Hostile Elites will be in for a rude awakening. As Whites get outnumbered, the attitude of non-Whites will be harsher, not kinder. But, the most likely scenario is a long, slow, gradual decline, not the cataclysm everyone used to dream of. Which makes it harder to fight.

  17. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 10, 2012 - 2:20 am | Permalink

    @Dark Henry:

    Yes, I would just like to echo Dark Henry’s comment, and also applaud Matt Parrott for a truly excellent, yet sobering essay. I take my hat off to him. I really cannot disagree with any point made in his piece.

    Other commenters who say we must give up on the USA and Europe in order to reconfigure a winning strategy are not wrong, but not entirely right, thank the heavens.

    There is no future for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (the corporate bitch that exists now) so the sooner it is killed off the better for humanity.

    White Americans should head pronto for a new coalition of free states centred around Northern California (i.e., Redwood country), Washington State, Oregon, Montana, and others. These should be turned into hard-core white homelands, complete with your own advanced military (for defensive purposes) along the line of the Constitutional, National Guard concept.

    As for Europe, it cannot be given up. It simply cannot. We might have to give up (and perhaps only temporarily) parts of France, Belgium, southern England, and southern Italy, but that will be the extent of it. Germany and Austria must be defended at all costs. Europe is the one and only white homeland. Europeans (and their racial allies) will either have to fight back with fists and more, or die. That’s the sum of it.

    ——————————————-

    En passant. Just a minor and polite correction to you ‘Dark Henry’. You wrote ealier:

    A minor point though, Brazil was colonized by Portugal, not Spain.

    Indeed, yes. But even that necessary correction is not enough. It would be even more accurate to state that Brazil was created by the Portuguese navy, Portuguese plantation owners, and a highly prosperous settlement of Jewish slave traders who would later depart Brazil before making their way to Charleston SC, and New York City’s environs, in order to introduce and expand their slave trades there.

    It would also be accurate to describe Brazil as the world’s first slave state. About 70% of all African slaves ever shipped across the Atlantic, were offloaded in Brazil. In other words, Brazil is really an extension of West (and Central) Africa transposed into South America. It only appears Portuguese because of the adopted language.

  18. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    January 10, 2012 - 2:42 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    You got it.

  19. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    January 10, 2012 - 4:19 am | Permalink

    Excellent essay by Matt.

    A particular point made, which I had never thought of before, was the change in Mexican self-perception from the heirs of the great Spanish martial tradition to, well, just being Mexicans. What a let down, and the picture was worth a thousand words!

    It is of course debatable as to whether Matt is correct about a future of soft crashes as opposed to a more defined, paradigm shifting moment. My money is on both. Yes, we have examples like Brazil in front of us, but we also have the Soviet Union.

    Yet our present system is so complex and unnatural, not to mention vulnerable to systemic shock and disruption, that The Long Emergency (Kunstler’s term) could easily reach a point where things play out rapidly. In other words, where the whimper rapidly becomes a bang. To quote our esteemed former President Bush, “This sucker could go.”

    And it will.

    The system bleeds legitimacy by the day, and it is hard to see how it can get it back in a meaningful way. It won’t reform itself for the simple reason that it can’t. As the system weakens and decays through inevitable soft crashes, it will become ever more vulnerable to a paradigm shifting crisis that changes everything. Now, whether that change will work out in our favor is another question, but at least there will be opportunity.

    In any event, again, the above is debatable.

    What I hope will move beyond debate, and the sooner the better, is Matt’s conclusion about where to go from here. We are not going to recover the entire United States, as the United States. It’s simply too late, and like it or not, it’s no longer our country at a fundamental level. In truth, it hasn’t been for a long time, though it has only become materially apparent fairly recently.

    This is a vital paradigm shift that we must go through, and if we can make the necessary psychological break in time, it would go a long way toward distinguishing ourselves from the trajectory of ancient India or Brazil.

    Just as an aside, go through a quick mental exercise: imagine that, against all odds, we did recover the entire United States. Not just the territory, but the United States as a package. Put aside the fact that there are well over 100 million non-whites here now.

    How much of its history and culture would we have to disown? How much of its music would we have to repudiate? Its films? Its philosophy? Its wars?

    It’s rather sobering to think about. Again, this isn’t our country anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. All one has to do is turn on the TV or walk outside the front door for this to become readily apparent.

    As Whites, we are an ancient people. As Americans, we are not. America was a vehicle created, fairly recently in historical terms, to meet the needs of our people and its posterity. Unfortunately that vehicle failed, and we were slaughtering one another, at least in part over black slaves, within a couple of generations of the founding. Then there was Reconstruction. That was bad enough. Moving forward, the record of that vehicle in the twentieth century was nothing short of disastrous for our people, both at home and abroad. In the twenty first century, these long term trends are only accelerating. All told, the vehicle known as America has allowed many whites to become materially well off, but it has been an utter disaster for the long term survival and prosperity of our people.

    We were Whites before hopping into this vehicle, and we’ll still be Whites when we hop out. The wonderful things that many older readers may remember, such as close knit neighborhoods and high trust, are more a product of our racial characteristics than anything uniquely “American.” We will have those things under a new flag as well. I have a bit of a recollection of that from my childhood in the seventies. It was fading, but it was still there. Perhaps ironically, only with something new can we have that again.

    This is not to say that we can’t take our heroes and icons from American history as appropriate, as that is the story of our people too. But let’s face it, many of the greatest heroes in our history on this continent were men who decided that they didn’t want to be Americans any longer, such as Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. I’ve heard that when the Confederacy was first established, there was an outcry not to replace the American flag. There is a deep and natural reluctance to make that break. But they got over it, and created flags of their own that speak to many of us even to this day. We’ll have to do the same.

    We can take with us what is truly “ours,” while accepting that the vehicle known as America is simply no longer belongs to us. In fact, living in that vehicle has become intolerable to us. Orwell wrote something to the effect of a boot pressing on a human neck, forever. We get the same boot, but just to pour salt in our wounds, imagine being forced to watch a black male and white female making out…forever. That’s pretty much what riding in this car called American has come to mean. Oppression combined with low rent degradation…forever.

    So let it go. Perhaps one day in the distant future whites will control the entire geographical area of what is today the U.S., but if so it will be in a different political form, and under a different banner. A very different banner.

    We need something that is based explicitly upon the protection and perpetuation of our own people, not just abstractions about liberty and equality, or making a buck. That’s not to say that what we come up with won’t offer liberty or the opportunity to make a good living. It can and it should. But if that’s all there is to it, then we’ll end up back in the cesspool again.

    Bottom line: we need an ethnostate, a land of our own. A White Republic.

  20. daniel's Gravatar daniel
    January 10, 2012 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    We need White-ethnostates, plural. The one uniting “nation” over “the states” to begin with, and always, our DNA, ratified as our nation. The states coordinated thereupon, in different places, will be stronger, more flexible and resilient. Taking that, we must strive for our “nation” to correspond to lands before long – and a large White ethnostate is important, definitely. But to begin, it is our DNA, not necessarily in the test tube sense, but in its embodied sense as loyal and racially aware White people, that constitutes our true nation in its essence.

  21. freddie_t's Gravatar freddie_t
    January 10, 2012 - 7:32 am | Permalink

    I have often wondered about Chinese strategy vis-a-vis the once Anglo-Saxon West.
    For years they have continued sending huge amounts of increasingly good quality technology products (all Mobile Broadband sticks are of Chinese Huawei manufacture for instance) whilst receiving in return digits marked $ or £ on a computer screen from the greedy Corporate managers solely out for themselves. For an accumulation of useless digits on a screen why would you work your workforce to the bone to do that?
    Are they consciously undermining and displacing Western Technology manufacture and development or have they got onto a merry-go-round that they don’t know how to get off of?
    Whatever the cause when they finally get around to the idea that it plainly no longer serves their interest beyond doubt they will pull the plug and start doing what they should have years ago and develop their domestic consumer market.
    Whatever the thinking which lies behind the Chinese strategy it has been a cataclysmic disaster for the Anglo-Saxon West.
    It has enabled the alien parasitic financial elite the breathing space to soft-land the catastrophic fall in standards of previously reasonably well off working families whilst their political-media arm works their routine of attacking and isolating those who complain and have seen their interests compromised by mass 3rd world immigration.
    This has given the political-media arm time and space to promote the political and economic profile of ethnic elites as allies at the expense of the vast majority or working Euros.
    The only way now is down (and has been for some time only the speed is in dispute) for huge numbers of working or once working Euros as the agenda of the aliens, you could call it the Psycho-Semetic disease, reach their tentacles deeper and deeper into their savings, pensions, wages and benefits of a once prosperous Euro people but this will really only start to be a game changer once Chinese have made their decision and the free goods being imported into the Anglo West starts to dry up.
    Sadly until that time the parasites driving the once Anglo-Saxon West to ruin can continue to hide sufficiently the road to ruination of the “Chosen” path and make no mistake it will be driven more and more by the need to impose its punitive ideological dictatorship as its manifest failings become impossible to hide.
    Plans for further increasing the censorship of the Internet by the Obamacrats and so they hope crush opposition are well under way in congress with using the ruse of Copyright to give the Federales Apparatchiks the powers to impose draconian sanctions of Felony changes against anyone they choose by mere Administrative rulings without any judicial process to go through which all sounds very very Leninist-Stalinist Soviet.
    As a rider to this I don’t think that Germany and several members of the Eurozone are anywhere near the economic abyss that Britain and the US are.

  22. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 7:46 am | Permalink

    This is a great piece by Matt. I’ve thought the only hope for White America is to have a huge slap in the face that knocks them down to the ground hard- several times. Something like economic collapse, crime spikes, energy shortages, and the destruction of everyone’s saving, all at once. Unfortunately, none of those things are likely to happen simultaneously and stay around long enough to terrorize the population – anxiety yes, but not total panic.

    Even when systems do collapse, like the British Empire or the Soviet Union, it didn’t mean there was blood in streets. It can merely be the loss of foreign possessions and some decline in wealth at home, but not to the point where people rare eating dogs in the street or sleeping in ditches.

    I’m afraid soft collapse, not the MadMax variety, is far more likely. I would be interested in any counterexamples of ‘hard’ collapses by the way – most of the harder ones involve hyperinflation. However, even in then nations recovered in a few years. Of course, there were engineered genocides of people in the old Soviet Union and China, but that falls under a different category. That may happen in some future America, but we don’t have the totalitarian infrastructure in place combined with the cultural acceptance of that level of tyranny (yet) to allow millions to be murdered in a short period of time.

    I suspect the Elites don’t want a total collapse because the outcome is too unpredictable, so managed decline is more likely. I think it is incumbent on us to let all the Whites we know that America is declining in ways which are almost invisible but will have a huge impact. Remind them of what safe White neighborhoods used to be like. What it was like to let your kids roam free for hours after school with no worries. Remind them that we went to the moon in 1969, but now our youth idolize rapists and drug dealers, not Star Trek and Chuck Yeager. Talk to them about how simple civility has waned – tell them there was a time when women were not referred to as bitches and ho’s by the father of their children.

    Point out all the rot, so when a soft collapse comes, they will be primed for it. And always tie it back to the loss of a White society. Do it, either mildly or boldly, depending on the audience, but show them the connection. Talk about high quality and low quality populations. Talk about genes being half of IQ and behavior. And remind them, that it’s not their fault the world works this way – these are natural facts, made by nature, or by nature’s God.

  23. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 7:49 am | Permalink

    “For often evil men are rich, and good men poor;
    But we will not exchange with them
    Our virtue for their wealth since one abides always,
    While riches change their owners every day.”
    – Solon

  24. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 10, 2012 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    Matt’s article contains both truth and true-future-vision-should-nothing-change. There are differences in these two kinds of true-word-spoken.
    The truth that Matt speaks is that we need to let go of our old concepts of nation, both individually as people from different nations and collectively as a people straddling many nations.
    This is true not just for the reasons Matt gives, or because of the new facts on the ground. It’s also because it is to our advantage and is probably a common requirement in all the various ideas/visions for how to turn the situation around.
    The old nations are gone. But have we properly said goodbye? Closure is always important. Can I just say that I really love the United States. Ever since just little I loved that country and its miracle people and all the miraculous things it accomplished. The Americans saved the world multiple times…and in totally new ways never seen before. Saved it by reinventing it completely, into new forms that made old enemies into friends and everyone richer. They did that, and in doing so made themselves the richest and most powerful of all.
    It’s too easy to overlook just how impossible some of the American accomplishments really are. It’s only because we saw it with our own eyes that we can accept it. No man or woman who lived in times before would have believed in the impossible, but we do because we saw it. We even take it for granted and have forgotten it ever was impossible.
    I don’t mean the technology, I mean the people and their approach to finding solutions. Just look at what Americans did for Japan and Germany and Europe after the war. Would you ever have believed?
    Yes, the US did it because it was just one component of a bigger scheme to counter the USSR in a nuclear age in which suddenly the human race could be extinguished forever.
    Just one component.
    In a time when the human race could have – and by all reckoning of human nature should have – been extinguished forever. If you re-ran the 20th century 1000 times how often would a nuclear war have been avoided?
    And we think we’ve got it bad this time around. Well, we have got it bad. As Matt says, this time its now the whole world at risk but we are at risk.
    But the solution that America found for the American people, involved solving problems that affected all of humanity. Not because America didn’t put America first, but because that was the scale of the problem and that was the only way to secure Americans.
    Look back at that, and we start to understand that, yes the situation we are facing is totally impossible. And yes, it is still soluable. And yes, Matt is right, it will have to involve complete reinvention. And no…we may not even have begun to see what that reinvention looks like. But taking the cue from our forebears, in finding the solution to this seemingly impossible situation, we have to look upward and outward not inward and downward.

  25. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    January 10, 2012 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    All excellent responses and comments to a truly great article that only comes once every six months or so.

    What is encouraging is that there is some (not as much as there should be in my opinion) SOLUTIONS being offered as well.

    Come on, folks, we can come out on top of this dog heap, or at least crawl out from under it and find a new home. Let’s make our own history, rather than postulating our demise like a lot of sanctimonious end-times religious prigs.

  26. Ivan Groznij's Gravatar Ivan Groznij
    January 10, 2012 - 10:24 am | Permalink

    Should white people be exterminated again?
    What have N.and S. America, New Zealand and Easter island have in common.
    They all were inhabited by Caucasians. They were indigenous people there.
    There is enough of solid archeological evidence. What happened to them? They were killed, cooked, eaten, exterminated by Amerinds and Polinesians.

  27. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 10, 2012 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I find it very effective with my church members who are having a hard time meeting their bills every week to talk to them about how much the American government should help Americans, not foreigners. Once they agree to that, I point out a good place to start cutting back is Israel, which gets 4 billion a year from us. With 50 million Americans on food stamps, why send the money overseas? Poor white Americans are very receptive to criticism of our government. It is the middle class in their fool’s paradise who are hard to reach – but just wait til they lose a promotion to an underqualified minority – then they will start to buy in if they aren’t completely brainwashed.

  28. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    January 10, 2012 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Quite the contrary, Matt. Celsus called Christianity the religion of women and slaves. Islam ‘attracted’ women by extorting them from their neighbors, starting with Mary the Copt.

  29. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 10, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly: I too get tired of all the people in my church telling me we are in the end times, too. I politely point out the Bible verse which states that only God knows the time, and that generally stops the nonsense. [Matthew 24:36]
    As for solutions, as a business man myself, it has taken me a long time to get over my independence and non collectivist mentality. Once in a white area, though, I think non-profits that benefit local charities of the variety that “teach a man to fish” will not only help our people, but are tax deductible and keep the money out of federal hands. Of course, a businessman can treat his all white workforce well and accomplish even more, since when a man earns the money that supports his family he is most happy.
    When I ran my various enterprises that had employees (I’m on a one man startup at the moment) I used the following formula.
    I paid myself a regular salary commensurate with my job, which was about 30% more than my plant manager. The profits got distributed as follows:
    1/3 for me (and therefore my family)
    1/3 profit sharing divided among the entire workforce
    1/3 for the future of the enterprise (new, top of the line equipment, major overhauls of existing equipment, training for everyone, customer appreciation, employee suggestions tried out with no penalty for failure, etc.)
    Once it got going and started working, it worked really well. So I guess my solution for those who run businesses is to make sure it benefits the white people working there, and you can only do that in a white area because naturally the damn government will interfere and accuse you of discrimination if you do it in the cities.

  30. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    Fender: “If that means being reduced to about 60,000,000 Whites globally, that’s fine. Just as long as we have a home specifically for us. Iceland, anyone?

    No such white homeland is possible without the possession of a nuclear arsenal. And no such nuclear arsenal can be acquired without first a WN nation. Failing to recognize this dichotomy is another reason why the WN cause is hobbled.

  31. European's Gravatar European
    January 10, 2012 - 11:24 am | Permalink

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    Socialism and Welfare
    Republicans Bash Europe in Search of Votes
    By Sebastian Fischer in Manchester, New Hampshire

    Campaigning against the Europeans in Concord, New Hampshire.
    Europe is socialist, bloated and a threat to the global economy. That appears to be the message from the ongoing presidential campaign in the US. Republicans in particular have discovered Europe as a convenient punching bag — and have even begun accusing each other of being too “European.”

    A specter is haunting the United States. That, at least, is what the Republicans seem to believe in this election season. And the specter has a name: Europe.
    US President Barack Obama, said leading Republican candidate Mitt Romney during the Republican debate on Saturday, wants to turn the US into a “European welfare state.” At a weekend appearance in New Hampshire, site of a crucial primary vote on Tuesday, Romney said “I don’t believe in Europe. I believe in America.”
    In an election year overshadowed by the threats posed by the European economy and concerns about the break-up of the European common currency, it is a message that Romney has been delivering every chance he gets. And he’s not alone. Europe-bashing has become an important stump-speech cornerstone for the entire Republican field. The message, as Romney never tires of delivering it, is clear: “I don’t think Europe is working in Europe. I know it won’t work here.”
    Negative portrayals of Europe are, of course, by no means a novelty when it comes to American political campaigns. Candidates, particularly Republicans, have long blasted their opponents for being a bit too cuddly with Europe. In 2004, when George W. Bush was battling John Kerry in his re-election campaign, Europe played an outsized role, primarily because France and Germany had declined to support the US invasion of Iraq. Because Kerry spoke fluent French, he was portrayed as the “French candidate.”
    A Club of Losers
    Indeed, the Kerry campaign did its best to distance their candidate from his French connection. A distant French cousin of Kerry’s was asked to avoid speaking with the press. And Kerry himself made a point of saying that he preferred American bottled water to Evian, the French brand.
    This time around, though, with Europe deep in crisis, the Continent has become an even more prominent element of Republicans’ stump speeches. With high state debt, high unemployment in several countries and a sluggish euro-zone economy, the European Union is seen as a club of losers.
    “You want to see America after the Obama administration is through,” arch-conservative candidate Rick Santorum said on the campaign trail last week, “just read up on Greece.” Santorum is fond of the sentence, and often replaces that country depending on the relative economic situation in Europe. Portugal likewise gets mentioned frequently, as do Italy and Ireland. Lately, France too has been making an appearance.
    The US president, in other words, is merely a European in disguise. That is the message the Republicans would like to convey. Newt Gingrich, in particular, never tires of calling Obama a “socialist.” Obama has a “European social democratic vision” says Romney, and claimed recently that per capita income in the US was “50 percent more” than in Europe. And Ron Paul, perhaps the most extreme of the Republican field full of extremists, advocates pulling US troops out of Europe, in part so that America is no longer in the position of subsidizing “socialist Germany.”
    Such attacks would, of course, be ridiculous were they not so effective at a time when the economic outlook in the US is far from rosy, particularly given the danger that the euro-zone debt crisis could put a quick stop to America’s fragile economic recovery.
    A Convenient Scapegoat
    Indeed, even Obama himself has become a fan of Europe-bashing. As long as the euro crisis remains unsolved, the president has taken to repeating, the global economy will continue to suffer. The Obama administration has also repeatedly demanded that European leaders — first and foremost German Chancellor Angela Merkel — take more decisive action. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has traveled to Europe several times in recent months to lend urgency to the message.
    Why the focus on Europe? Obama’s re-election depends on at least some improvement in a moribund US economy and in a persistently high unemployment rate of 8 to 9 percent. Blaming the Europeans makes for a convenient scapegoat.
    But for the Republicans, the focus on Europe has a different motivation. The war on Europe is not merely one guided by economic concerns. It is presented as a cultural confrontation. “American elites are guided by their desire to emulate the European elites,” says Gingrich. “As a result, anti-religious values and principles are coming to dominate the academic, news media and judicial class in America.” Secular Europe, in other words, has become a threat to Christian America.
    Romney, too, sees it as a battle for the soul of America. The former Massachusetts governor, who has been dogged by accusations that he is a flip-flopper and not quite conservative enough to be the Republican presidential candidate, has begun emphasizing his love for patriotic songs during campaign appearances. Hardly a stump speech in New Hampshire goes by without him quoting a verse or two from “America the Beautiful.”
    A Vote for Freedom
    For there, it is often but a small step to expressing his disdain for Europe. “The president said he wants to fundamentally transform America,” Romney said during an appearance in Iowa at the end of December. “I kind of like America. I’m not looking for it to be fundamentally transformed into something else. I don’t want it to become like Europe.” He went on: “I want America to be more like America, if you will. I want the songs, that patriotism that we have.”
    Santorum prefers to take a slightly more historical approach, comparing the European welfare state to the absolute rule of monarchies. The founders of America, he says, left Europe because they no longer wanted to be ruled by monarchs. I don’t believe, he says, that resources should be redistributed from the top to the bottom.
    It is a statement that sounds absurd from a European point of view — even more so given the current state of the US economy. The American dream of being able to rise from being a dishwasher to millionaire hasn’t been reality for years, perhaps decades. And a recent study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found recently that social mobility between generations is now much lower in the US than it is in Canada and in several Western European countries.
    Still, the key message the GOP field wants to convey is: A vote for the Republicans is a vote for freedom.
    And not, as it happens, just any Republican. The field itself has taken to accusing each other of being too “European.” Recently, RC Hammond, the spokesman for Newt Gingrich’s campaign, commented on Mitt Romney’s alleged support for a value added tax. “The fact that he’s willing to look at European Socialism shows just how far out of the conservative mainstream he is,” Hammond said.

  32. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 11:40 am | Permalink

    Dark Henry: “The bang being the German effort in WWII against the united forces of bolchevism and usury captialism of course. An affair in which the US played a rather sorry role…”

    Refighting World War II is a waste of time. Instead, a more cogent argument could be made premised on the decision to import an alien race to live in the midst of the most ambitious colonization effort the world had ever undertaken. Had the British Crown never allowed the importation of negroids to these shores, the conflict with Hitler would have made no difference whatsoever. And since Hitler’s Axis was a multi-racial entity to begin with, had he won large western chunks of the US would have been thrown to the Japs.

    Hitler was a race-traitor, when all is said and done.

  33. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Parrott, I hope you will forgive me if I point out that all the men you mentioned, with the exception of Christ, were polygamists. I do not find this a tempting alternative.
    We are certainly in a mess, but if our best men accept a defeatist attitude we are certainly lost. The truth is we have everything we need to take back our country, a still solid majority, intelligence, and the versatility that belongs nearly uniquely to white men. The only reluctance that still exists is in facing up to the unpleasantness involved in the endeavor.
    Jewish money and power have a huge hold, but it is entirely dependent on our continuing acceptance and good will, commodities that are in very short supply these days.
    Because so many people have made fresh starts in America, we have been willing to give the underdog a chance and allow people to reinvent themselves. Look around you at the results. The problem in America is not that we are prejudiced, it is that we have seen with our own eyes how people have responded to our generosity. I suspect that President Obama will be the last affirmative action president.
    We were fat and lazy in the good times, as times continue to get tougher, so will we. It will begin, not with a white paradise in the northwest, but in the homes and families that have always been our strength. White men and women must kiss and makeup, blame all our problems on those nasty, interfering outsiders and start making babies again. Your musical selection should help with that.

  34. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: I had never stopped to really reflect on the fact that the Axis powers were indeed a multiracial block. It’s amazing how Hitler has been promoted to the poster boy of anyone who promotes White survival. It obviously serves the interests of the anti-White Left to have a former war enemy serve in that role.

    The importation of Africans does seem like the biggest long-term disaster to have struck North America in our history. Of course, they didn’t know the consequences of their actions centuries ago, but had we never had an alien race imported to North America, so many destructive things would never have been set in motion. I suspect this pattern has happened in the past, e.g. Ancient Egypt

  35. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 10, 2012 - 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrot

    Native Born White American Patriots are suppose to encourage and embolden our fellow Native Born White Americans to revolt against race-replacement.

    Iceland? You are not being serious so don’t post here.

    Secssion without mass expulsion=eventual ecological collapse which will take out the remnant White population in “America”. White Homelands with China,India,Pakistan and Iran’s genetic borders right up against the borders of the new White Homelands=death of the the remnant White population…it will be top late to defend these new borders…most definitley in the realm of magical thinking.

    Most likely scenario:the complete ecological destruction of California wich will result in nonwhite depopulation of the state..it will take decades to ecologically restore California.

    Fundamental problem:a massive failure on the part of millions of Native Born White Amerians to connect with reality..just another way of saying that they have not seriously engaged the question”Just what are you willing to give up for racial minority status within the borders of “America”..Nothing else matters at this point time…therefore, the monumental foolisness of James Edwards to sidetrack..massively..away from this fundamental question with monumentally foolish debating tactics such as “slavery was thee best thing that ever happened to blacks in America.

  36. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 10, 2012 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    over wrought, over written, over the top, overly emotional.

    We are at the Beginning of the End of Liberalism. Enjoy it. Gingrich just got a 5 million dollar check from a jew billionaire. This registers with folks.

    Every poll tells the same story: Americans are sick of the Establishment in all its institutions. This is Great! Americans are not whimpering, they are mad as hell and are not going to take it much longer.

    Cassandras for the Liberal Order indeed. Even Brooks of the jewyorktimes has a piece today on the End of LIberalilsm, boo-hoo.

    Buck up comrads, we are in the best of shape for the coming end of LIberalism and the consequent reform of the European psyche.

    I do tire of the endless pseudo belletristic Bang and Whimper stuff. Defeatism and English 101. Joe

  37. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 10, 2012 - 1:10 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: “complete ecological destruction of California.” Hysterical Al Gore sophomoric ranting.

  38. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:
    Hear! Hear! Thanks Joe. We have lived in a fantasy world for far too long. It is realism and pragmatism that will save us.

  39. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrott: That’s not to say there’s no hope, it’s just that the hope must be shrewdly invested in the only possible strategy for success…

    Since it’s been brought up by the author himself, it does leave me wondering – what is the only possible strategy for success? If there is one, it seems to suggest it is remote, and that the odds of winning our struggle are not good. Unfortunately, I’ve seen those very odds diminish over the past 10 years, when the voices thenwere those of William Pierce, David Duke, Kevin Strom, Don Black, Jared Taylor, Richard Butler, and so on. Today’s new crop of WN personalities offer us even less hope, and a thin gruel of hope it is. Most people say Harold Covington’s concept of a Northwest 4th Reich is our best chance, but it remains a foggy mist when it comes to details.

    Should we exterminate the Jews? That’s the undercurrent I get from some people here but it’s almost as if they’re afraid to admit it. On the other hand, I hear others saying we should work side by side with the Jews, to mutual advantage.

    One of our problems is that those who are influential in our movement simply refuse to speak plainly. I always feel as if I’m being constantly bombarded with timid codespeak, rather than honest courage.

  40. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    January 10, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I finally have picked my jaw up from my lap where it has been for the last five minutes after reading your comment. Now I can respond.

    My friend, I don’t know who you are or where you are, but you have articulated some things I’ve been doing that I have not shared with anyone in the ‘movement’. You have described some things quite explicitly that I am in the middle of right now.

    Unilateral telepathy? Or perhaps, to quote from Ecclesiastes: ‘There is nothing new under the sun’? Or is one of my fellow investors a WN too but just never told me? Or, may I indulge in some vain flattery – two great minds?

    Regardless, yes, it is nice to hit on a formula that really works, isn’t it?

  41. Jack's smirking revenge's Gravatar Jack's smirking revenge
    January 10, 2012 - 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The US isn’t worth saving. Just walk away. Form a new collectivist ideology for whites. Equality and justice are bullshit abstractions

  42. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 10, 2012 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I would add that any essay that is without a biocultural/evolutionary component is not White Nationalism. Matt retains a Culture orientation without an apparent Darwinian and socio-biological orientation.

    Texts do not drive change. They may help, but the genes speak thru the emotions. Mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore is the genes speaking.

    That does not assure the perfect response however. However…mistakes, errors, overly emotional responses will come. In the long run, the genes are the “great decider.” Wars are coming and that is Good. Matt does not like war, and wimpers. I am a Viking and for good or ill (even have a dose of berzerker in me…when pushed real hard it comes out) the fight comes out in me…that is what is happening with the intellectually unwashed of our brethren.
    They are unencumbered with Ideas and Hamletlike indecision. They will strike out, and not completely blindly. We need to welcome the tough white guys, not blanch at “nigger” or “jew”, etc.

    I just addressed the Palo Alto City Council last night and my talk was full of “Jew” attacks on White Southerners in my current protest about some jew shennigans in Palo Alto ripping off the city (with free rent) to assault Whites.

    The sky did not fall. Get out there and do something besides trying to get an article published. Joe

    All this talk of collapse is weird. There is not going to be a collapse. There will be a protracted period of civil distress, recession, some limited bloodshed with regard to race war, maybe more wars for the jews, which can only ultimately benefit WN. Relax and enjoy it.

    If you don’t have firearms, you are not a White Nationalist, you are a liberal.
    Joe

  43. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    January 10, 2012 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Nice piece Matt. Two things stood out for me …

    The Jews who’ve been joyriding this Western vehicle will become increasingly frustrated with its declining reliability.

    and

    That’s not to say there’s no hope, it’s just that the hope must be shrewdly invested in the only possible strategy for success: a radical departure from not only the national identity but from the very metaphysical foundation upon which it was built.

    The first one brought a hilarious image to mind, of ADL chief Foxy Foxman in a big black fedora furiously stomping on the gas pedal wondering why the car wouldn’t go, and Bernie Madoff & crew back behind the car, siphoning all the gas out.

    The second clip leads to the critical “wakeup” that we cannot FIX this damned car, nor all its wordist ideological baggage which weighed it down as soon as it rolled off the assembly line a couple of hundred years ago. We must ABANDON our fascination with wordy fantasies, stop believing they are real, and place our eyes-forward stance in the direction of an all new adventure for our people.

    We can only MOVE forward if we toss out the poisonous baggage called a belief in “Amerika” and all the evil that it has become for our peoples’ future good.

  44. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott:
    Is it possible that as one of the few who both had the foresight and courage to speak out publicly you are unable to see and hear good news when it does arrive. Few of us have your courage, but many of us are speaking privately. We are hearing more agreement then we ever dreamed possible a short time ago. People are angry and fed-up. They may called it liberalism or cultural Marxism or Zionism or any other euphemism you choose, but our opponents have always recognized these as codewords. Our best guide is the ever-increasing fear of the new antisemitism. They know they have cause to be fearful. don’t write us off too soon. We’re coming!

  45. Koprarott's Gravatar Koprarott
    January 10, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    “”…“America” is not one of the things I happen to be hopeful about, anymore….””

    I grew up in the USSR in eighties and i felt the same. Nobody hoped nothing anymore. Sometimes in the school i felt like im somekind of alien species because all people praised communism but I felt sickening.
    Some sort of resistance of course existed but 99% of people seemed to be real “homo sovieticus” . And then the critical point arrived.

    I think, that our enemy is loosing. It is impossible to mongrelize white race, whatever trick they use. USSR did everything. Total infocontrol, massive brainwashing every possible way and of course repressions. It did not worked. Even after murder of 60 million people and 3 generations people kept the ability to think. That is why enemy tries to mix races. He knows, that until white race exists, revolt is only matter of time. People may be brainwashed or pretend that they are but not forever.

    But now is clear, that most of us do not mix. Yes, there is mixed marriages, but they are small per cent. Our enemy,s is intellectually bankrupted because His final and ultimate weapon did not worked. White race refused to deconstruct.

    For single person future might be nightmare. But for white race will be renesansse very soon. Sooner or later situation goes so bad, that people forced out from their comfort zone and then will be chain reaction like in USSR.

  46. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: I find unwarranted and misdirected optimism deeply depressing.

    This has always been my problem too. I’ve had a lifetime of happy-talk. I don’t need a sales talk to get me pumped, I need someone to shoot straight with me.

    And that’s what’s depressing about unwarranted optimism: It leads people not to think hard enough, to assume that a little cocksure swagger will rally the Whites and scare the Brown people back to their homelands. Well, believe me, I can remember unbelievably cocksure White guys who told racial jokes, talked tough and swaggered about when I was a kid. They accomplished absolutely nothing. I’m not really opposed to that sort of thing, but it doesn’t seem to lead to a solution. It may not be happy-talk, but I think we have to let Whites know how desperate the situation is for them – not hopeless – but mighty desperate.

  47. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: I grew up seeing lots of tough White guys. There was a town near me that had a giant KKK sign right on the side of the road. They didn’t hesitate to say “nigger” either. They even used the term in the faces of actual black people. It was fading when I was a kid, but there were echoes of White supremacy of a kind. And my grandparents witnessed much more overtly anti-black sentiment. If that was a strategy, it has failed. I have seen a constant decline in White racial attitudes my whole life.

    You are acting like this is some new thing, calling black people “nigger”. I don’t care about the word one way or the other, but this is not a new strategy. Go do it all you want, but it’s not catching fire on the part of Whites, and if it did among street Whites, I assume it would fail to accomplish anything, just like it already did.

    It reminds me a bit of Tom Metzger back in the 80s saying he was gonna raise up a generation of “ass-kicking White youth”. How did that work out? I like the street tough stuff as much as anyone, but my impression is that anything associated with “the lower classes” just doesn’t get much traction. I didn’t make it that way, but it seems to be true. As it turns out, the power of the streets is greatly exaggerated. When it seems to have worked (the 60s), it was usually being orchestrated by elites from above.

  48. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 10, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrott

    Kopraratt has first hand expereince with how rapidly a situation can change in a nation. The current order of things is not stable..its just dum luck that a perfect storm of events haven’t conspired to cause implosion.

    Tom Sunic has written here recently about how things do in fact change quite explosively and rapidly leading to mass demographic cleansing.

    I’m quite certain that in your daily,weeky and monthly encounters with your fellow Native Born White Americans, that if the situation arises, you could advocate one the horrific quality of life destroying consequences of post-1965 immigration policy that would elicit a strong negative reaction from your fellow Native Born White Americans.

    Millions of Native Born White Americans are in the cognitive dissonance stage and or transitioning out of it. This is where we are at…for the time being. You…We better have a femework than requires minimal cognitive processing so that when the transition is complete..the revolt against race-replacement can be exponentially accelerated.

    If John McCain had won the election back on Nov 4 2008, black gangs would have instigated a full-blown race war against Native Born White Americans..this would have brought us much closer..very close to the expulsion stage…it would be very difficult for millions of Native Born White Americans to deny the obvious anymore.

  49. Immuntocrap2's Gravatar Immuntocrap2
    January 10, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: This is the biggest bunch of BS I ever read/heard. My infiltrator/instigator radar is beeping.

  50. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 10, 2012 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

    @Koprarott:

    Thank you for these comments Koprarott.

  51. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: But we’ve already had black gangs rioting in the 60s and 70s and it didn’t create a White movement. We had blacks riot during Rodney King and White people just watched it on TV. This idea that we are on a racial tinderbox that is ready to spill oceans of blood into the street just doesn’t have a lot of evidence for it right now. I don’t think there are enough blacks to go door-to-door slaughtering millions of Whites in 2012.

    Where that society-wide nightmare has happened, blacks outnumbered the Whites by vast amounts. For example, in Haiti, there was something like 20,000 Whites and about 500,000 black slaves. Not good odds in a fight. But blacks are outnumbered in the US and not likely capable of sparking The Cataclysm just yet.

  52. Selous Scout's Gravatar Selous Scout
    January 10, 2012 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    The current pessimism and fatalism apparent in Alt-Right and WN movements are due, I think, to the fact it’s too late for a peaceful democratic solution, but too early to take up arms.

    So, understandably, our young men are frustrated, despondent even.

    In reply to Ward: yes, I will say that we *will* exterminate Jews and liberal Whites in positions of power, influence, and control. They won’t lnow what hit them.

    Many if not most Whites will be horrified by my words. But don’t worry. You won’t have to do the dirty work, at first. The Hard Men will get it done. In time the rest of you will fall in line.

  53. Selous Scout's Gravatar Selous Scout
    January 10, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    The current pessimism and fatalism apparent in Alt-Right and WN movements are due, I think, to the fact it’s too late for a peaceful democratic solution, but too early to take up arms.

    So, understandably, our young men are frustrated, despondent even.

    In reply to Ward: yes, I will say that we *will* exterminate Jews and liberal Whites in positions of power, influence, and control. They won’t lnow what hit them.

    Many if not most Whites will be horrified by my words.

    But don’t worry. You won’t have to do the dirty work, at first. The Hard Men will get it done.

    In time the rest of you will fall in line.

  54. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    @Selous Scout: Let me ask you this: Just how many young White men do you think are explicitly despondent over race issues? How many of these Hard Men (do they take Viagra?) are there? And why on earth would we “fall in line” behind guys who call themselves “Hard Men”? We all are armed in this country, you know, so I don’t think Whites will trade the soft tyranny of Multiculturalism for the hard tyranny of Hard Men. By the way, is this kind of homo-eroticism common among the Hard Men of White Nationalism?

  55. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 10, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    Look at what’s happened in South Arica; thousands of dead Whites, much worse than anything that’s happened in Europe or America, and the Whites sit and meekly take it. If White genocide can’t make Whites stand up for themselves, then rioting and individual murders sure as heck won’t.

  56. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 10, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    @Selous Scout:

    Oh please. Again, look at South Africa. A huge segment of the White population was wiped out and Whites not only did nothing, they still actively welcome anti-White policies in their own country.

    When a people has come to believe that there is something innately evil about them, then they willingly accept their fate. This is how powerful guilt is. This is why Whites all across the world are actively fighting for their own destruction, because they believe they deserve it.

    There is never going to be a rebellion or revolution. The system cannot be fixed; it needs to be abandoned. This is why, instead of fighting a hopeless war, Whites simply need to opt out, move somewhere else, and not let the usual suspects in.

  57. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    January 10, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    @Trainspotter: Matt’s article has sparked an interesting debate about the nature, speed and direction of Anglo America’s ongoing decline and fall. As usual, you have brought additional balance and insight to the subject, citing mitigating variables and possibilities that can alter the projected paradigm. I would concur, the prognosis for the White race looks horrible, yet unexpected historical circumstances, and there are a myriad lot of them, can alter the equation in very sudden and surprising ways. We do need a WN leadership cadre in place, however, to seize any opportunity that fate may offer us.

  58. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    It is an excellent question, and the answer is multifaceted. We Americans have always been both proud and a little embarrassed by our differences from Europeans. Most white Americans are descended from people who had the imagination and courage to defy all the ties of family, place and history to forge a new way of life in a new country. We are proud of them and of their amazing accomplishments. We have also long been aware that the price we have paid for that is to separate from so much that was best in Europe, the arts, culture and tradition. We often deal with this via mixed levels of admiration for Europe.

    A more confused part of this is that we are conditioned to think of elites who are not of and for the people as a European remnant that we left behind. We have blinded ourselves to the fact we are now rule by an hostile, alien elite who holds us in contempt and have stolen our country.

    A good example is today on Cspan John Kerry spoke solemnly about the danger our nation faces, and that the Fourth Estate is the only thing standing between the republic and chaos. Right! The Jewish owned media’s oversight of Jewish controlled Washington and Jewish owned Wall St is our only hope!

    I hope this helps a little.

  59. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Selous Scout: “In reply to Ward: yes, I will say that we *will* exterminate Jews and liberal Whites in positions of power, influence, and control. They won’t lnow what hit them.
    Well, it was harder than pulling teeth but I finally got someone to come clean: the Jews are to be exterminnated. Now, unless otherwise denied, it’s safe to say that posters like “Alice Miller” want Jews rounded up in our towns and cities and shot to death then buried in mass graves – (when the magic hour arrives, of course ;>) You see, this is how we progress – not by coy obfuscation, but by simple honesty. Along these lines, when can we expect someone like Dr. Tom Sunic to pontificate on the best and most efficient ways to kill Jews en masse? I’m not mistaken here, am I? Mr. Sunic does advocate the mass slaughter of American Jews, does he not? If he doesn’t, however…

    Well, there’s the nub. How are we to proceed if individuals like Matt Parrott refuses to ordain mass killings of Jews but Kevin MacDonald does? How can we proceed with a WN revolution if we have those among us who refuse to step up to bat when the time comes? Would it be like a “Kodak Moment”, except it would be a “Bullet Moment” for those refusing to snuff Jews at point blank range. We’re talking the extermination of several here, don’t forget.

    Okay, point has been made (I hope).

    WN Public Speaking Rule #1488 – Don’t go crapping on the Jews all the time UNLESS you have the guts to come clean and call for their murder. (Okay, too harsh of a word) How about something from Ernst Blofeld instead: “Liquidation”.

    So, are we all on the same page yet? Because when it comes to slaughtering several million Jews, we’d better be baby. Can’t have any Jared Taylor getting shaky knees and running to the Feds when Zero Hour arrives, right?

    But then, there is a third way: my way. No killing of Jews. Just a friendly, easy going Andy-Taylor-of-Mayberry sort of way of rounding them up and shipping them to Madagascar. I’ve computed the costs and logistics some years ago, and it’s guranteed to bring cultural enrichment to the blacks of Madgascar and Jewish-know-how together in one great big humanitarian project. No need for mass exterminations, death camps, and burning “Warsaw ghettoes”.

    We CAN win this battle, folks. And we can win it with our feet firmly planted on the moral high ground. But to do so, we must use our brains and reason this whole picture out.

  60. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    January 10, 2012 - 5:22 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Whites simply need to opt out, move somewhere else and not let the usual suspects in.

    The only problem is that such a “somewhere else” can nowhere be found. All White countries suffer from the same problems, other countries are inhabited by non-Whites and there are no more uninhabited parts of the world to take. White flight is no more an option, only White fight is.

  61. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: Apropos “an angry old man spewing epithets,” I know of course that you have nothing in common with “professorjoe” and the countless other idiot commenters who think that they are “cool”—whatever that absurd bit of eighty-year-old slang means—by calling their elders and intellectual betters “dude” and telling them to “f__k off” and die and leave the field to them and other really manly men (a “man” being defined as someone who can’t frame a coherent argument or compose a coherent sense or even express himself at all without uhs and likes and gutter taunts outnumbering content-laden words 5 to 2). Still—and I write this as someone who admires you even when I disagree with you (and the good Lord knows I am a lot closer to you than I am to Joe Webb in the present quarrel)—I wonder whether you wouldn’t be good enough to back off on employing “old” sneers. They neither strengthen your case nor win you any friends—at least any of the sort of friends you clearly have won and want to win more of.

    Old people (of which I am by the U.S. government’s definition one) have failings and shortsightednesses intrinsic to their age, just as the middle-aged and the young and the perpetually immature do. Address those weaknesses and faults intrepidly when you must. (Few, for example, dispute the wisdom of the time-honored adage “there’s no fool like an old fool.” I surely don’t.) Please remember, however, that sneering at old people (or at people who are cast for argument’s sake as old) has been regarded as one of the notable vices of youth in every worthwhile European society since Homeric Greece.

  62. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: That really summarizes it, thank you. Rule #1488 is inspired!

  63. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    @fender: @Ward Kendall:

    “Now, unless otherwise denied, it’s safe to say that posters like “Alice Miller” want Jews rounded up in our towns and cities and shot to death then buried in mass graves – (when the magic hour arrives, of course ”

    If you were referring to me than the answer is no. I have no wish to exterminate anyone. There is no need to do so. Jews are a tiny minority of people in this country. We can return to laws that prevent them from so much mischief. Many will willingly leave. Others may choose to live as far less influential life.

    Jews are welcome to their proportionate share of our country’s wealth, plus a nice bonus for hard work and intelligence. We took them in when no one in the world wanted them. They have thanked us by corrupting everything they could lay their hands on. We need not kill them in order to refuse to live under the rule of an alien, hostile elite.

  64. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: If by Alice Miller you mean Alice Teller, you are gravely mistaken. She has never written anything remotely as wicked and foolish as you accuse her of.

    Nothing else of which I am aware that you have written on this site does you discredit. Quite the contrary, in fact. Thus, I assume you have merely made the sort of error of inattention that I myself make a score of times every day. A simple apology is, I hope you will agree, the appropriate next step.

  65. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 10, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Using South Africa as a reference point is silly and useless….because you really do not know what the proper and precise comparison should be or is between the two Nations..there are details that no one here understands for obvious reasons.

    The rioting that took place in the sixties will pale by comparison compared to what will-with very high probaility-take place this time around. There have been very important changes thay have taken place since the black riots of the sixties. This time around, the gruesome public execution of White Males and gang raping of White Women will televised-videovised. The frontier to which White Americans have fled to in the past of are of a much reduced scale…which is Franklin Rychaert’s point. You are not going to flee to Europe,Russia or to some mythical homeland in Montanna. Your homeland-living space is America..either Native Born White Americans reclaim it or they will surely be finished off.

    Some people here are a making assumptions about what Native Born White Americans are willing to give up for racial minority status that if we were to discuss them..would obviously be exposed as being untenable…we are talking about the very reason for existing. Native Born White Americans have not engaged-yet-in a full-blown race-revolt because the signal from reality has note been strong enough…do you really think that millions of White Parents make the sacrifices they make on a daily basis for their children so they can see the sons and daugthers slaughtered and raped in the streets of America..nonesense!!!. We have an evolving situation in American where thousands of young White American Males born between 1987 -to present time- may not earn enough to have a wife a wife and children..and the ones that do get married may not be able to even afford one child!!!..and you think they won’t rebel against this? They will..don’t confuse cognitive dissonance with the lack of will to fight ferociously against race-replacement.

    The most fundamental point and the only thing that matters is this:Native Born White American Patriots have no other option but to encourage and emolden our fellow Native Born White Americans to fight back against race-replacement..there is no other game in time…there are no magical frontiers that Native Born White Americans can flee to..the frontier closed 115 years ago(as the historian Jackson Turner argued.)

  66. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: “But, then, there is a third way.” True, Mr. Kendall, but there is also a fourth way, a way suggested about a month ago by Bishop Richard Williamson in his newsletter (I posted a longer excerpt on the Andrew Fraser thread last week).

    Tertullian (160-220) said that the Catholic Faith and Jewish power are like the two pans of a pair of scales: as Catholic Faith goes up, so Jewish power goes down, and as Catholic Faith goes down, so Jewish power goes up. But the Faith overtops the power. That is why the primary problem is not the Jews, but the increase or decrease of the Faith amongst men. That is why conspiracies do exist, they have an important part to play and they are not to be merely scorned, but the central problem is men turning away from the true God in his one true Church. In brief—and here is the crucial point—the Gentiles have only themselves to blame if Jewish power is today so great.

    I didn’t and don’t expect His Excellency’s views to garner much applause hereabouts. I put them forward notwithstanding, with my own modest seconding. Were Western men and women—pagan, nominal Christian, what you will—less willing and even eager to sell themselves to the highest bidder for material gain, they wouldn’t be owned by the Jews.

    How does all the endless posturing here and in every other thread about evolutionary this and genetic that square with such an uncomplicated marketplace transaction as Jewish cash (and hence access to the power that cash can buy) in exchange for Gentile principle?

  67. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt: This time around, the gruesome public execution of White Males and gang raping of White Women will televised-videovised.

    Now is something that will actually happen or is this an idea you are floating for a new XBox game? Surely before all this happens, the Hard Men of White Nationalism will step forward.

  68. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: Here’s an anticipatory “welcome aboard”! However, when mysterious soreness in the neck and back and the inability to function properly for twenty-four hours after having drunk a mere half a bottle of wine at a pleasant dinner out with friends become a perpetual part of your week, that is when you have truly kissed youth good-bye.

  69. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: Speculating on who among us would and would not round people up and shoot them is inappropriate and will be moderated.

    Dude, what are we supposed to talk about then? I have a scenario that involves radioactive spider-people that neutralize Jew-power via telekinetic power, but apparently you guys don’t like serious conversation.

  70. daniel's Gravatar daniel
    January 10, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott:

    I would add, Matt, that being of an age in between, that I have lived in a world where using the N (ig) word was not used, was prohibited, and that did not work either.

    Sidestepping the debate about socio-biological cynicism, and not knowing the history of disagreements between you and Joe Web, I believe your argument that use of the N word is strictly old fashioned and ineffective is mistaken.

    The arguments that you provided had components of false comparison and false either/or which would be boring to go into here, at this site – and so I will not, since it is irrelevant, us generally agreeing that we do not use the N word here.

  71. daniel's Gravatar daniel
    January 10, 2012 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    would add, Matt, that being of an age in between, that I have lived in a world where the N (ig) word was not used, was prohibited, and that did not work either.

    Sidestepping the debate about socio-biological cynicism, and not knowing the history of disagreements between you and Joe Web, I believe your argument that use of the N word is strictly old fashioned and ineffective is mistaken.

    The arguments that you provided had components of false comparison and false either/or which would be boring to go into here, at this site – and so I will not, since it is irrelevant, us generally agreeing that we do not use the N word here.

  72. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I’m glad to hear it. At the time I wrote “Alice Teller” I was simultaneously thinking of Edward Teller, the father of the H-bomb, and musing over just when the Iranians would test-detonate their first.

    In regard to the Jews: there are basically three paths to take.

    1: Follow some variant of Alice Teller’s – do no harm to them while at the same time enacting laws to make certain they do no harm to us. Could this idea work? Would Jews accept it? Or would it create something like the Symbionese Liberation Army or the ANC in our midst?

    2: Slaughter them. Simple as that. Mass round-ups and machine-gunnings and concentration camp gassings until the rest have literally fled over the border in terror. Would this or some variant of this work?

    3: Mass deportations. No unnecessary killing or brutality. Humane treatment all the way. Jews would keep their wealth, whatever it may be. Then out the door.

    Settle this issue and then the bottleneck the WN movement has been frozen in can move forward. Let both our friends and our enemies know the truth, whichever it may be – Jews can stay as second class citizens, be exterminated like cock-roaches, or be removed to another part of the planet.

    Any one of these three solutions is achievable. The Soviets murdered at least 60 million of their citizens. Compared to that, liquidating a few million American Jews would be as easy as making a cake in an Easy-Bake-Oven.
    Think Pol Pot or the Hutus for some recent examples of million-plus liquidations.

    Easy.

    Even so, I believe WN personalities from Kevin MacDonald to Tom Sunic to Richard Spencer to Matt Parrott to Paul Fromm should come clean and tell their supporters which of these three solutions they advocate. If Solution 3 wins out, then let the academics continue to psychoanalyze the Jews while people like myself and others formulate the costs and logistics for ramping up Operation Jewish Exodus – the New Beginning.

  73. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Seconded. Every last darn syllable. That goes double for your last sentence.

  74. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: I meant to write “compose a coherent sentence,” of course.

  75. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 10, 2012 - 7:11 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    There are plenty of places to go; every living human on earth right now would be able to fit onto the British isles. There’s more than enough space. The location is not the problem, the problem is getting financial support from other nations. The tribe was successful with Israel because they had the backing of the entire western world, which they pretty much already controlled. It was easy for them to migrate. Whites, however would be on their own, and it’s obvious that no western nation would support them on “moral” (Judaic) grounds. However, I do think the East Asians would see merit in a White country, and would invest in it, because they aren’t tainted by the tribe.

    @wattylersrevolt:

    All right, let me put it simply: Whites are never going to fight. Ever. It’s not going to happen. You don’t seem to understand how fully and completely brainwashed 90% of White people are. The race, as a whole, is useless, decrepit, and dying. White parents will watch their children get raped and slaughtered and they’ll ask Jeebus to forgive the black murderers so they can see heaven too. The only way the European people can be saved is if a small minority break away and restart elsewhere. Don’t concern yourself with the majority of Whites, they’re already lost.

  76. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Alas, I fear that your usual gracious example is falling on deaf ears. I am not sure that these young men even grasp the concept of being true to your word.

    I cannot escape the feeling that we have completely failed these young people if the only options they see are the those offered here.

    Perhaps I am merely in the wrong place. Did you see the warning on bonald’s Alter and Throne regarding the current plan to ‘out’ screen nazi’s? I suppose I can look forward to my son’s careers being haunted by the link just made so carelessly.

    http://bonald.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/theyre-coming-after-us/

  77. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrott: “Speculating on who among us would and would not round people up and shoot them is inappropriate and will be moderated.”

    I understand your concern, Matt. But, as someone who’s been engaged in the white nationalist movement for years now, it has become abundantly clear that the incessant bashing of Jews leads absolutely nowhere. Your readers, I suspect, simply want to know where you and other WN personalities stand in regard to this issue. It IS important, because all other actions a WN takes proceeds from it. Secondly, once the issue has been resolved, whole new vistas of action will open up to white nationalists, of all abilities. As for me, my only motive is guided by this famous quote: “In A Time Of Universal Deceit, Telling The Truth Is A Revolutionary Act.”

    I hope you agree.

  78. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 10, 2012 - 7:34 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    Hi Mr. Kendall

    You wrote, “Well, there’s the nub. How are we to proceed if individuals like Matt Parrott refuses to ordain mass killings of Jews but Kevin MacDonald does?

    Others have mentioned their concerns about some of the things you wrote in your comment, but none of them mentioned Dr. MacDonald.

    I don’t speak for Dr. MacDonald, but as far as I know he has never called for mass killings of anyone.

    Maybe you were merely posing a hypothetical scenario. But it almost sounds like you are stating for a fact that Dr. MacDonald has called for the killing of Jews.

    We all make mistakes. So I’m not trying to talk down to you. But I want to do my small part to help out Dr. MacDonald by defending his name. (Not that you were intentionally attacking him or his name.)

    You are my elder and probably my superior in virtually every way. So, again, I’m not trying to talk down to you.

    Take care, all.

  79. European's Gravatar European
    January 10, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Thanks for your response. I thought the article from Spiegel International was fitting to the whimpering, the blame game, forgetting by what Intellects, Know-How’s and Systems this Country was founded and made it what it is, or was till now. Looking to Europe is not wrong, when we take into consideration what can be learned from those who stayed there, and those who came here. But to blame Europe that this Country is no longer a Christian Nation is so absurd, it made me a believer in Ron Paul. I was speechless, yes at the stupidity of those running for election.
    I can not disagree with Matt, and he is not entirely hopeless either.
    In an e-mail I received some U-Tube video Discussion about Ernst Juenger (in German). Dichterclub 1995. They also spoke of the “Selbserneuerung” self-re-inventing yourself, like as in leaving Organizations etc. behind and start a new work. All Europeans had to do this after the war when it felt all was lost. But it never was nor is. There will be those who will not have the mental strength, as Matt is describing, which is the larger US population including whites. But there will always be some who have the inner strength. Europe has been doing this for thousand of years, it still stands. Of course not the way it was then.
    America just will never be the same. Maybe it will decline/regress to a 3rd world country first. Slowly, until we all smell fear and death and wonder how we got there, before some will climb out of the gutters of a foul “Da seins”, back to a civilized people. (Europe went thru the Middle Ages first, wars etc.) Both sides “Optimism and gloom and doom” have legitimacy… Most good things come in small doses though. America largely exaggerates or reports all kinds of overblown successes. (Excesses in every way, shape or form) You can’t change what you can’t admit. If America is an Alcoholic, she either admits it, or drinks herself to death thru denial. Perhaps outsiders see clearer then insiders. (No envy, no European Country envy’s US life)

    My suggestion is: Keep a spiritual life, what ever we do to survive or perservere, do it in good faith, for all good people who also wish nothing but to live life, you don’t have to marry or intermingle with them, perhaps with those who live and let live attitude, love and appreciate what we have no matter how little, it can grow, or how much, keeping in mind it can be taken from us by those greater then ourself. There will always be small and great souls on this planet.

  80. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    January 10, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Fender

    It is very hard to take you seriously…you are clueless..possibly delusional. Millions of Europeans left Europe for American because Europe was too crowded…starting several centuries ago.. White Americans fled the dirty fithy crowded cities pre and post WWW11 the first chance they got. But now you want to pack them into high rises on an already very overcrowded and muslim-hindu infested England..you are just plain crazy.

    However, I don’t mind the least if someone in this movement wants to publicly put forth that as an option for I know with 100 percent certainty that it will be rejected..just as the a Homeland with China’s genetic borders up against the White Homelands borders. The thought experiment is definitely worth it as a way of getting out fellow Native Born White Americans to start seriously thinking about what racial minority status will mean.

  81. European's Gravatar European
    January 10, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    keeping in mind it can be taken from us by those greater then ourself.
    I ment to say more like “Others” in motive, not greater. Wrong choice of word, english is secondary, so pls excuse me.

  82. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @European:
    You are welcome. I might remind you that no one has yet won by betting against us. We may still have what it takes to demand a return to civility and decency.

    Thank you for the warm wishes.

  83. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Thank you for the warning about the hacker organization. For anyone that can educate us, are we in danger as posters to this site? How exactly do they trace posts back to a particular person? Do they get the IP address? If so, is there anything we can do to protect ourselves that isn’t super-techy? It’s mainly the principal involved, and the fact that it could scare off those who work in environments where they could be fired.

  84. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Richard: “Maybe you were merely posing a hypothetical scenario. But it almost sounds like you are stating for a fact that Dr. MacDonald has called for the killing of Jews.”

    And therein lies the danger of not being transparent when one is discussing Jews, Richard – especially when such discussions are seen as “attacks” (as Dr. MacDonald’s books certainly are by the Jews)

    As simple proof of this statement, pretend you’re a newsreporter asking the ADL, the SPLC, AIPAC, or merely the common Jew on the street about Dr. MacDonald’s stance on the Jews. Would most of them answer:

    1 – Neutral
    2 – Positive
    3 – Negative

    Everyone on this newsite would agree – number 3 would be the answer of choice. And once Jews either singly or collectively perceive they are being denigrated in some form or another, it’s only a small stepping stone to the next level of “hate speech” and then to “genocidal intent”.

    My point is this: unless the genocide of Jews IS our intent, the WN movement should focus far less on what the Jews have done (now documented and discussed to more than a sufficient degree) and move on to formulating which of the three outcomes we whites would like to see in regard to their fate – reduced to 2nd class citizenship but allowed to remain in the USA, exterminated, or deported.

    The sane choice is deportation. What does not sound sane is the almost obsessive/compulsive urge to constantly denigrate the Jews, without ever offering any solutions.

    The solution is there, it is viable, and it is sane. So why do we constant speak of the “illness”, and only very rarely – if ever – of “the cure”? Could it be that we believe there IS no cure?

    Finally, as demonstrated by the enthusiasm of your members here, I believe they too would like to see more attention given to Solution 3. I trust you too might see the value in it, rather than all the Jew-bashing we have instead.

  85. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 10, 2012 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Alas, I am the last one that can advise on this issue.

  86. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    January 10, 2012 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Speculating on who among us would and would not round people up and shoot them is inappropriate and will be moderated.

    Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

  87. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 10, 2012 - 8:52 pm | Permalink

    @wattylersrevolt:

    You didn’t read what I wrote. I never said we should go to England. I said that every human currently alive can fit on the British Isles, and I said this to demonstrate that there’s no problem with overpopulation. Whites can easily find a remote, sparsely-populated place to go, and if history has taught us anything, whites will be successful in building a society there. If we can do it in Africa we can do it anywhere.

    Now, one reason why there’s not going to a pan-White rebellion– ever– is because there is no White solidarity. Whites in America are different from Whites in England, who are different from Whites in Germany, who are different from Whites in Russia. We’re all over the place, scattered, disorganized, and overwhelmed. There’s no way for Whites to cooperate globally.

    The second reason why Whites will not rebel is because they have no money and no support from anyone. The Jews took over Russia (and later Palestine) because they had the financial support of Wall Street and London. We have no such advantage. Plus, Jews of course are always faithful to one another, while Whites screw over their fellow Whites the first chance they got. Heck the biggest opponents of White rebellion will be White people!

    The third reason why there will never be a White rebellion is because Whites are cowards. We don’t have a fraction of the viciousness or mercilessness of the other races. Even when we fought our wars we were always concerned with honor, rules, and conduct. The other races have no such delusions. They fight to win and they don’t care what they have to do to win.

  88. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 10, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: “I am the last one that can advise on this issue.” Now please stop this shameless self-glorification, dear Mrs. Teller! I knew less than Jason—OK, to be honest, I knew nothing at all—about this latest Tribal perfidy until you told me of its existence. So please surrender your claim to last place to me, till someone more clueless than I makes a case to occupy it.

    I hadn’t heard of the Throne and Altar site before you linked to it. Nor had I read Richard Spencer’s AltRight article, which Bonald links to. (Sadly and as usual, Spencer’s piece was almost completely uninformative except to the people who already knew everything he wrote before he wrote it.) Now that I have given over an unrecoverable hour of my life to reading about these degenerate adolescent Jewish supremacists, I can only express an utter lack of surprise that the usual MSM sources are about as angry at them as a doting Jewish grandma tends to be at the misbehavior of her teenage soon-to-be-a-doctor grandson. Of course this crowd is unhappy at attempts to legitimate the posting of names, addresses, and so on. What if we, the dreaded anti-Semites, started doing the same thing to them! Character assassination, slander, and destruction of livelihood and reputation: these are precious things to the Tribe, and thus a group that acts in a way to bring these vital weapons into disrepute can expect a severe tut-tutting.

    I must say that everything about this activity stinks to high heaven. It seems to have “Mossad” written all over it in Day-Glo ink. Since that august institution is doing nothing but defending “democracy,” however, the likelihood that the great kosher U.S. government will do anything about it is small to nil.

  89. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Richard:” We all make mistakes. So I’m not trying to talk down to you. But I want to do my small part to help out Dr. MacDonald by defending his name. (Not that you were intentionally attacking him or his name.)”

    When I replied that my referencing Dr. MacDonald was only in a hypothetical sense, my post was deleted.

    Anyway, this is the issue: if we are going to have WN’s bashing Jews, then it IS important to know what should be done to resolve the problem. To constantly complain of Jewish plots against whites and then to suddenly go mum when queried for a solution makes all concerned look foolish.

  90. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 10, 2012 - 9:27 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: i never do such things, I just t use the word Jew. you are an idiot going on 12.

  91. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrott, regarding the continued value in pursuing unending Jew bashing: “You’re incorrect. Identifying and describing Jewish perfidy is a necessary thing not when it’s already known by those to whom you speak. Repetition for the mere sake of repetition is an indicator that one has nothing new left to say to ensure that people exploring matters can understand what’s going on and join us in trying to identify a solution. you’ve already stated that there are no solutions, and even if there were, you would not be permitted to elucidate on them If you’re surprised that complaining about Jewish Power hasn’t solved the problem, yet, then you had both false expectations I have neither, never had. You’re presuming again. In fact, I understood the problem long before you were even aware of it, during your stint as a junior high student for how what’s being done here fits into the larger picture and/or you have a false timetable.Fully taking into account that you have the youthful ebullience to Champion a Cause, you should also understand that you’re doing nothing new that hasn’t already been done decades before you were born

    Matt, seriously, do you really believe that you’ve revealed some heretofore “unknown knowledge” or “secret wisdom” about the nature of Jews? If so, all I can say is beware of that pitfall. It’ll just send you round and round in circles, ’til you’re 70 years old and “still revealing the nature of Jews”.

  92. Ward Kendall's Gravatar Ward Kendall
    January 10, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Matt Parrott: “No. Nothing proceeds from it. …it wouldn’t get done. We’re not a coherent political faction, yet. We lack the numbers. We lack the organization. We lack the infrastructure. We lack the ideas.”

    You’re certainly dead center of the bull’s-eye on that last one, Matt: indeed you do lack the ideas. Nor, it would seem, do you have any interest in doing a sliver more than what Dr. William Pierce already covered – and far better – forty years ago.

    Matt – forty years! And here you are still talking about “finding a solution”. The solution is right in front of your eyes and no – you need not violate the law to state what that solution is. This timidity by white men is why you’re writing articles with such self-defeating titles as “With-A-Whimper” because that’s what this is – a great, drawn-out, whiny whimper.

  93. maxsnafu's Gravatar maxsnafu
    January 10, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink
  94. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 10, 2012 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    by the way, for whomever wondered about history between Matt and myself, there is no history other than that I disagree with him on just about evrything he writes. O, and he called me a “creepy white racist” awhile back. Yup, but he is just a kid. My granddaughter said the same thing and we have had a chat and she agrees to read Rushton.

    Adolescent is my sense of Matt, and very White in his well- scrubbed ernestness. I was like that at his age, and that is Good age-appropriate character for a White…but at least I had respect for my elders, even if they were creepy white racists. I always defer to my elders. Sir was never taught , but I use it. I even use it with younger men if they are charming and behave themselves. (Deferring does not mean not saying what is on my mind. However, if there is harshness coming, I just stop.)

    Ah, but the Times change, and the young think they know everything more now than earlier. Even an intellectual racist or racialist is not immune to the propaganda and emotionalisms of the time. Especially women.

    Chicken LIttle is Matt’s as well as other folk’s gobble. The US is the strongest economy in the world, the place of refuge for money and people. That is going to weaken as we enter the Failure of LIberalism. However, the US will still be the most safe of the “safe havens,”

    Yes, save your money, buy guns, talk to your neighbors, and gadfly it as much as possible,…. consistent with keeping your job. If you have some money, do not do anything stupid that can result in a lawsuit.

    I talk my stuff all the time with people I run into, and people I am acquainted with. I bat about 900 by trimming my sails and never using any buzzwords like nigger or kike until I get permission…you need some psychological astutenss for this talent. Antenna. An ex-friend (jew) once said that I had the best bull-shit detectors of anybody he knew. That was with regard to personal bull-shit. It took me quite some time to figure out the intellectual B-S of my generation, but that is another story. As for interpersonal astuteness… Perhaps it comes with years. It also comes with a big smile, letting folks talk, never interrupting them, and stopping when you have gone as far as you can…quitting when ahead they call it.

    I just got an email from someone off Shamir’s list who was upset about some of my stuff on race etc. Now he wants to hear more and so I have plugged him into our websites, etc. (Why Shamir lets my stuff go out on his website I dunno, maybe an oversight, since I have hammered him from time to time on his communism and his ego (he took the name Adam a while back…seems to have repented of that colossal impudence and it is Israel Shamir again.)

    If you Respect your interlocutor, you can get away with a lot. The troulbe with a lot of people, espec young males, is they do not know how to be respectful and genuinely interested in people. One tactic I use to get folks talking is to ask them where they are from. I am genuinely interested in that, to get better at ethnic recoginition, etc. Folks love to talk about that. From there you can move a conversation in various ways Good for WN.

    I wish folks would not use the tern “collapse” because I have a very visual mind at times, and I immediately see the house of cards flattening out.

    Breakdown would be a better term. How much breakdown? Then that should be spelled out in concrete terms. Economy..10%? 30%? Race relations…sporadic killing? setting fire to sections of a city? polarization in voting and racialization of all politics? Repugnican Party self-destructing over war-for-Israel? Dems exhausted? Dems capitulating on Equality due to manifest Failure of All Policies…David Brooks in jewyorktimes has a column on just this today…? Let us have some specifics, some numbers, not just adjectives from the lexicon of hollywood thriller writers.

    Finally, let us have talk of how we respond politically, not militarily…which seems to be the reflex of many writers. There is going to be a protracted period..(numbers…10 years or more) of political realignment. The Democratic Party seems more willing to Change given LIberal Failure..than the Repugnican party. (Are REpugnicans indeed the cancer of the planet (Sontagjew)? They seem to need to play out there insane hand with Gingrich types. (Dig your bomb-shelter?)

    It is heartening to see Obongo actually moving toward negotiation with the Arabs, even the jihadists. Americans are war-weary in general, despite the Repug crazies. It is safe to conclude that Americans have sobered up quite a bit, like post-Vietnam war.

    Everybody I talk to agrees these wars are for the jews…even the liberals…they stop and think…no oil, no wmd…I remind them…and inescapably they start thinking correctly. Then Tom Friedman just actually said it…Congress is bought and paid for by Aipac…incredible for the jewyorktimes.

    So much is rapidly moving toward political crisis. Less so…economically as the Natural Cycle of Capitalism is starting to turn toward recovery. Yes , Europe is tottering . WSJ story today had an economic big-shot calling for the orderly dissolution of the Euro. Yes, it can be relatively orderly. That does not mean that Europe will avoid a recession, but the Chicken LIttles
    gobble Collapse!

    They are young and impressionable , or just volatile, or, pardon me, kind of stupid and believe the Fed and thin air money is a jewish plot. The problem with the Fed is that it is run by jews and shabbas goys and Wall Street types. It should be run by pedigreed economists and one day will be run by White Nationalists who put their country first.

    We live in great times with much promise of going our way. Our way is the Natural Darwinian Way, which cannot be stopped or deformed forever. Whites will win, even if we make retreats, even geographic retreats. If that happens , White Armies will retake what has been strategically surrendered to the niggers and jews and mexers. Joe

  95. Trainspotter's Gravatar Trainspotter
    January 10, 2012 - 10:31 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see how the red herring of “genocide” fits into this discussion.

    The reality is that there are countless reasons why we can’t simply ignore the Jewish question. Even if there weren’t countless reasons, there is certainly one: ignoring the issue would inevitably lead to Jewish infiltration and subversion of any future pro-white movement, and in time (we hope) a future white enthnostate(s). The Jews would, if allowed to infiltrate, neuter any authentic pro-white organization or other entity before it ever got off the ground. They would pervert and distort any white movement until it became its opposite. Look what they’ve done to conservatism: they’ve moved it from Edmund Burke to Dick Cheney.

    How do we prevent the infiltration unless we draw sharp boundaries?

    So, you see, we simply can’t ignore it, even if we were to conclude that it wasn’t the best public outreach tool. We must, at a minimum, establish clearly that they aren’t us, and we aren’t them. Of course, they already know this, but many whites don’t.

    And if you have to do that much, which you do, it’s not difficult to see that one must strengthen the case by making clear the organized attack upon whites that we have all been witness to.

    Therefore, this issue isn’t going away, and not because it’s a bizarre fetish (though for some, unfortunately it is). It’s not going away because, quite simply, it can’t. Unless and until organized Jewry stops attacking us – which isn’t going to happen in the near term- then it is what it is.

    Who knows what strange twists and turns the more distant future is going to take? While unlikely, it’s entirely possible that it will be in the self-interest of a future white ethnostate to cooperate in some way with the Jewish ethnostate. Stranger things have happened. But if that white ethnostate ever accepted Jews as settlers/citizens, it will have signed its own death warrant. And of course we’re getting ahead of ourselves here, because the Jews have made it abundantly clear that they will seek to prevent us from ever getting that ethnostate in the first place. They insist upon being the enemy of whatever is good for whites. Again, it is what it is.

  96. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 10, 2012 - 10:45 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    When I replied that my referencing Dr. MacDonald was only in a hypothetical sense, my post was deleted.

    I appreciate the clarification, Mr. Kendall.

    Good day (or night) to you and all other TOO visitors and contributors.

    I feel grateful for everyone here; this is a great website with great people.

  97. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    January 10, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    A couple of the comments above have mentioned the concept of respecting one’s elders.

    Growing up, I was taught to say “Yes ma’am and yes sir” etc. (although I did not always remember or care to do that.)

    It was not until relatively recently that I acquired a sincere and significant love and respect for older people.

    I think the biggest reason for this change is… older people are saner. They are less PC and smarter. They are more likely to be aware of racial issues. They feel out of place in this sick culture, at least the good ones do.

    They are generally less spoiled, less addicted to modern entertainment. They didn’t grow up watching 40 hours of television per week, etc. I envy the childhoods of older people in the 40′s and 50′s. I know it wasn’t always easy, but it beats the truly insane culture I grew up in.

    (It’s important to note that there are many good young people out there too.)

    I love visiting small White towns and being around the older people. Many of them are sweet and humble, lived good, clean lives.

    I love older White people.

    (I’m not assuming anyone else here loves them less than I do. I just want to mention my love for older White people.)

    Thanks to Matt Parrott for this article, and thanks to all the readers and commenters.

  98. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: Joe, you did call Matt an idiot about 10 times before he responded and said you were creepy. It wasn’t quite like he leaped from a bush to attack you out of nowhere. You didn’t just say you disagreed, you used the term idiot over and over. Matt’s a smart guy (as are you) who devotes time and puts his name out there (as do you). Just sayin’ …. (I’m sorry I said “just sayin’” … I’m infected by pop culture whether I like it or not)

  99. Wiggy's Gravatar Wiggy
    January 10, 2012 - 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Given the power structures that exist, America will not be allowed to go out with a wimper.
    - There are unremovable viruses infecting the power grid, that can be activated when it ‘hits the fan’. No one knows where they come from.
    -We have martial laws on the books now.
    -We have Liberal Federal judges making anti-white liberal law
    -We have hate crime legislation on the backburner
    -We have an apathetic hippie generation taking over the power structure and making insanity the norm
    -We have millions upon millions of illegals, and non-whites who are just as ‘racially’ aware as the people on this board, and they will be angry when they don’t get what they want

    So no, maybe not with a wimper, and possibly sooner than we think

    Western Europe is the best bet to survive, minus Great Britain.

  100. Wiggy's Gravatar Wiggy
    January 10, 2012 - 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh, Pat Buchanan has been banned by MSNBC because of his book which outlines the decline, just like this essay. Where is the website with the information, and the thousands of dedicated White defenders bombarding MSNBC demanding he be put on the air? …..(Crickets chirping)…….

    -”I have seen the enemy, and he is us”.

    Maybe there could be an ARTICLE on MSNBC and the banning of Pat B, and some phone numbers/fax numbers, and maybe we could, frankly my Dear,…give a damn.

  101. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 11:40 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: Here is a real world example of why I don’t think the approach calling black people “nigger” is the Holy Grail. A coworker related this story: In 1972, in Jasper, TX, in a hardware store, a black man was 2nd in line and some White men came in behind him. The owner said, “nigger, go to the end of the line”. The black went quietly to the end of the line. The guy who told me the story was shocked by the servile compliance of the black man. That is how open the attitude White Supremacy and the use of racial epitaphs were as late as 1972. Now skip forward about a generation to 1998, in the same town.

    James Byrd, a black man, was killed by being dragged behind a truck on a chain – it was really a prison related attack, but because the attacker was White and the victim black, it became a totally racial case for which every White person in the town was blamed. Jesse Jackson came to Jasper, TX to march. The result? This small town made all kinds of concessions to black folks, renamed half their streets after black luminaries, and humbly groveled and begged forgiveness under a national spotlight. The man who told me this story said that his son, for career reasons, literally could not tell people where he was from (this was in 2003 and his son worked for an accounting firm – he said he would be totally stigmatized – he was told by his manager to lie about it).

    Look at the difference in just one generation. All those big White men saying “nigger, get to the end of the line” had absolutely zero impact on the culture. In fact, they were run over, and their sons made to grovel before blacks, because the Left owns the schools, the media and the moral high ground. I have no doubt that 90% of the White people in Jasper TX would have shocked you with their attitudes back in 1972, yet somehow it all fell apart.

    So, I think there is a sense that this horse doesn’t run. It’s not enough to just get people in a corner and tell them ethnic jokes and such (although, if done right I don’t really see this as a crime). But I don’t think there is any evidence it works to improve things for us either. And since I saw my father and grandfather’s generation used ethnic terms all the time, including talk of Jews, it’s hard to believe it will work now. That approach isn’t sufficient.

  102. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 10, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    @Wiggy: Why does everyone think the US is suddenly going to go up in flames, from sea to shining sea? When has this ever happened, to any country, anywhere, in the world, anytime? When has a country just dissolved never to be heard from again? Power grids coming down, banks collapsing, Ninjas running wild, people parking in handicap spaces – Madness!

    I think the proponents of Mad Max and/or The Rapture should be required to at least give us an historical precedent that occurred since, say 1815, so we have some idea what you are talking about.

  103. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 10, 2012 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

    ” These loans are predicated on a false assumption that the West can and will recover from its current malaise and provide a return on investments in it. It won’t. One by one, the numerous Asian businessmen are glaring pensively at their laptops and realizing that they’ve been had…”

    First, in the case of both Japan and China, the purchase of US Treasuries has been primarily effected by their central banks, not by private citizens. Second, the motivation has been to keep their currencies below the exchange rate they might otherwise have risen to – mercantilism, in short. Third, exporters, many of whom have close contacts or are partners with the government already have enjoyed the fruits of state intervention in the foreign exchange market.

    Who suffers? Mr. Wang, who pays too much for his imported goods, and his US analogue, Joe Sixpack, who lost his job when the over-valued USD saw the local plant close down.

  104. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 11, 2012 - 12:21 am | Permalink

    Here’s a good book to read before packing the pup-tent and heading off in search of the new WN frontier-land. ‘Authored the best book for would-be-managers, too.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Had_Trouble_in_Getting_to_Solla_Sollew

  105. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 1:05 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Most white Americans are descended from people who had the imagination and courage to defy all the ties of family, place and history to forge a new way of life in a new country. We are proud of them and of their amazing accomplishments.

    Alice my dear. The only ones you can be honestly and reliably proud of are those who made their way onto your shores before the Civil War.

    Starting soon after the Reconstruction Period and continuing on until strict Immigration limits were finally imposed during the 1920s, the bulk of immigrants being processed onto US soil — inevitably through the Jewish dominated gate-keeper city, known as New York — were Europe’s and the Russian Empire’s junk.

    I believe you are being very sentimental, if not comically theatrical, when you bestow, blanket like, the virtues of “imagination and courage” upon all or most of those late 19th century and early 20th century arrivals, who in truth were basically gathered, herded, and processed like dumb sheep onto an oceanic assembly line, at great profit to some.

    I would suggest, without wishing to insult or mock you, that the bulk of those arrivals could be more accurately described as Europe’s rejects … the failures, bozos, odd-balls, and shysters Europe (and Britain) was best rid of. I would wager it was predominantly those types who were conveniently dumped into an unsuspecting Amerika during this frenetic growth period.

    This, we must therefore conclude, is why the ethos of “race hygiene” (eugenics) was actually born in the United States of America (as a reaction to these overwhelming dysgenic forces) and NOT in 1930′s Germany, as so many of you misinformed types over there “across the pond” keep insisting. Remember Pavlov’s Dogs?

    Your utopian attempts to make “silk purses out of sow’s ears” also explains why Progressive Politics (aka “Communism with a Smiley Face”) quickly became mainstream in American politics, and has remained so ever since. Our ubiquitous commenter here at TOO, who employs the pseudonym “Jason Speaks”, is a prime and zealous example of this uniquely Amerikan, “Smiley Faced Communism” that I speak of. Even though he/she/they may be writing his/their comments from outside your borders. Naturally, this sickening ethos had as its co-authors, both Jews and Zionist Christians.

    It was this mad thinking that helped to conveniently place a sticking plaster over the wound created. You are paying the price right now for many decades of childish inattention, as Washington DC and your entire political process has since become the laughing stock of the world for anyone with any brains.

    Incidentally, going back to the era that saw the dependable arrivals of robust and self-reliant immigrant types — those who actually authored America’s original image and created America’s best virtues — a full 17 percent are of German extraction. According to your own Federal Statistics, ethnic Germans are your largest ‘reported’ ethno group. Although of course, as we know, the wet-back Mexicans are currently trying their best to upset the apple-cart.

    Bueno mi amigo étnico? A veces es necesario apretar un forúnculo de edad hasta que duela. :~)

  106. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 1:16 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Take up Yoga Pierre. Or Tai Chi. It’s never too late! :~)

  107. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    January 11, 2012 - 1:39 am | Permalink

    “The process has already passed the critical tipping point in America, with simply too many Americans having a half-Asian nephew, a loyal Mexican co-worker, or a Black childhood friend. They’re already gone. They’re already barren. America’s nascent development of an exclusively White ethnic identity was killed off too quickly and too completely to be recovered in any comprehensive manner at this late hour. ‘America’ can only decline (by a series of soft collapses) into a third world mockery of the great nation and state our forefathers struggled to carve from the frontier and entrust to their progeny.”

    In the past, the whiteness of our culture was never anything like our faith; something we had to embrace on a personal level. It was a legacy left to us by the collective that came before us without much contemplation or forethought on their part (or ours). It will have to be our religion in the future if the white race is to survive, however.

    That’s really the greatest challenge; being the first in our line who have to consciously chose racial segregation, to the extent that society will allow us to do it. I will eventually have to explain to my small children that the path I’ve chosen, the path of my father and all of those who came before him, will put me AND them at odds with 95% of society today. And 99% of society tomorrow. I mean, they’re just wanting to be little kids – to play and have fun and be liked by all of their friends at school.

    A few more generations, or maybe decades, and ideas like these on a website like this will be outside of the law. That’s an overwhelming thought for me. The good news, however, is that dark ages have come before. And our people have survived them,. We will in the future, too, but we will be greatly diminished. I heard/read somewhere that white people make up 1/6 of the world’s population. (Don’t know if that’s a current figure or if that includes hispanics.) We’ll be lucky to maintain 10% of figure by the end of the coming dark age. But I truly believe that many of us WILL live through it, and we’ll only grow and become stronger from that point forward.

    The other good news is that white human beings seem to have problems with living under dictatorial circumstances for any extended length of time. We eventually will divorce ourselves from our current sorry state of compulsory diversity. We’re just having some separation anxiety. It’s hard to love the United States for the first 40 or 50 years of your life, and then suddenly not love it anymore. Same goes for affluence and nice cars and TV’s.

    And even today there are occasional rays of hope. I mean, after all, C. Hitchens is dead, and that’s gotta be worth something, right?

  108. January 11, 2012 - 2:40 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I suppose I can look forward to my son’s careers being haunted by the link just made so carelessly.

    The fears that most people have about this kind of thing are greatly exaggerated. My views were known to all my professors at my undergraduate university and I even appeared briefly on statewide television during that period. I went through a certain amount of administrative harassment because of it but ultimately had no negative effect on my future that I could detect.

    I think if you are personable and civil and don’t break any laws, the potential for somebody to harm you by “exposing” you is rather limited, at least in places that aren’t heavily populated with Jews.

  109. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 11, 2012 - 3:16 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: I’m considering a go at yoga, actually. I had a dear friend who started taking classes when he was 68. By 70 he was standing on his head occasionally, and within a year it was an everyday thing. He was healthier at 75 than he was when I met him in his mid-fifties. Had he not died in a freak accident at home at 80, he would now be much healthier than I.

    Best of all, at least from my perspective, was that he could spend an evening consuming Barolo followed by an après-diner of three or four shots of a good single malt, yet after twenty minutes of morning yoga and a headstand, his head was clear as a bell. Meanwhile, chez moi, I could barely stand. There’s a lesson here somewhere.

  110. Wiggy's Gravatar Wiggy
    January 11, 2012 - 4:44 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Jeez Anglo, I don’t know for sure, but I think you need to say ‘large portion’ because, loosers and oddballs etc back in those dark ages may not be as bad as you say, if from Western European countries. It was much harder back then, and the class structure kept alot of good people down. Just look at WW2, everyone was a farmer, but you had the likes of Richard Bong – Our most numerical ace, coming out of the bumpkin patch, because everyone was a farmer.

    Austrailias founding ‘mother’ was a 12 year old dress-thief, sentenced to DEATH for stealing 2 dresses or something of that nauture. She had like 10,000 decendants or something, and Ausies are not all crazy criminals. Criminal back in the 1800′s may have been a little different, not sure they let the real bad ones go, they may have been hanged.
    Remember, as late as the 1950′s, rape was a Capital offence, in other words, likely death penalty.

    Jason, its really not looking good. You can listen to Alex Jones for free online. Not saying he’s all to be all, but I think he’s right in line, as an inoculator, or a possible true patriot.
    The banking disaster is really bad, people are talking great depression levels or worse. And if Iran installed that Power grid virus? Or China, or Russia, in 10 years?

    http://tunein.com/radio/Infowars-Radio-s54699/

    .

  111. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 11, 2012 - 7:10 am | Permalink

    Can I just ask a question..for anyone, but particularly the people bickering (Ward, Joe, Matt etc).
    The way I see things, in the absense of major traction or good ideas, the most important thing is waking up more people.
    Do we have any concrete knowledge or statistics on this narrow point? Are more people waking up? Is anyone running surveys or any other approach to gauging how many people are changing their views?

  112. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 11, 2012 - 7:16 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    Ward – I see a further option for the Jewish and our people.

    If our ideas and strategy – when it shows up – is able to be so successful that the ancient tactics used by organized Jewry are simply not any longer effective, then the basis for our regarding them as enemies will evaporate.
    This is the proper and necessary solution that would end the ancient enmity. For after all…there are lots of peoples in the world who we may regard as unappealing, and whom may internally preach enmity toward us….but if their tactics aren’t effective against us, then who cares?

  113. dan's Gravatar dan
    January 11, 2012 - 7:35 am | Permalink

    @Trainspotter:
    Excellent points, you evoke clear imagery… ‘we are an ancient people’… Very true. And it seem through much of our history we have been our own worst enemies. That is one behaviour we must correct.

    And the point that the current American state has left the tracks, so to speak, for us, as a people, is spot on.

    What a great post.

  114. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 8:36 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    I shudder to think what your tone would be if you intended to mock or insult me. As someone whose family has been here since the late 1600′s I do not require history lessons on my own country from you. I am justly proud of my ancestors and their accomplishments, not the least of which was a refusal to be condescended to by the likes of you.

  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 9:09 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Thank you for the reassurance. One of my sons is building a career in NY and I have little doubt that he would be penalized if my genuine views were widely known, much less the libel attributed to me by Ward Kendall. We are not the sort to run scared, but I am all to familiar with the kind of petty vindictiveness and long memory of the Tribe. One of the disadvantages of the web is that it is out there forever, to be dragged up at the least expected moment.

  116. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    January 11, 2012 - 9:23 am | Permalink

    I left the office at 5:00 pm and the dialog was fairly civil. Back at 6:30 am, and now the comments have about doubled….and degenerated.

    Kinsmen, people read these comments as much as they do the articles that foster them. We all have our shortcomings, disagreements, blind spots, etc. I know I do. But for pity’s sake, use a private email or do like our parents did and write a letter if you really have to take a brother or sister to task.

    People, especially new guests to this website, need to be able to go away from it feeling better about themselves and their race than when they first logged on. Let’s not forget that posters have just as much responsibility and wield just as much influence as the writers themselves.

    It’s just like owning a gun – behave responsibly! And, we must always demonstrate solidarity, warmth, empathy, and yes, love. It is within our power to make this website an emotional blessing and intellectual oasis for all our kinsmen who read it, a refuge from the hateful American horror show they have to deal with daily.

    Aryan means noble.

    OK, I feel better. I’ll take my cardigan off now.

    /s/ Mr. Rogers

  117. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @European:
    A good example of why repudiating Europeans is such as cheap and easy shot for politicians is illustrated by Anglo Saxons rude, condescending, and uninformed post addressed to me.

  118. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 9:42 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Thank you, Sweet Richard. I can always rely on you to call us back to our better natures.

    In truth, I can certainly understand the anger young people feel. We have certainly let the country slip on our watch. We can only try and make amends and to remind them that we were not always such crude creatures and that there is a different way of relating to each other.

    As a young mother, I fell for the notion that children will learn what they live, and that if reared by decent parents, they would unconsciously learn all our values. I completely under-estimated the power of the unrelenting drumbeat of the media.
    One of the saddest results is that even young people who believe they have declared independence from their overlords speak with a Jewish accent.
    Be well, Richard. Continue to keep us honest. Have a wonderful new year.

  119. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    January 11, 2012 - 9:44 am | Permalink

    @daniel: I ditto the non-negotiable requirement for one or more, preferably adjacent and geographically contiguous, White Ethnostates. This must become Priority #1, people. Anyone who calls themselves a member of our community who opposes this objective needs to be exiled and shunned, because they are an enemy mole who have been sent into our ranks to create disunity and confusion – and to DELAY the implementation of this very objective.

  120. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    January 11, 2012 - 9:45 am | Permalink

    http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/index.htm Ending the Race Crisis in the 21st Century
    It is good to have discussions like these to counter the constant barrage of pro-Zionist, anti-White and anti-Christian propaganda.

  121. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    @Wiggy: I know my friend. I am simply employing some caricatures to make a hard point … but I stand by it because the contents of my earlier comment (to which you respond with justified and understandable comments) is over 80 percent accurate. That is good enough for me (and most people). I did not intend to cause personal offence — although I braced myself for some indignant responses — but felt it necessary to point out a sea-change in immigrant quality starting from late in the Reconstruction Era. Indeed, this issue was first brought to my attention by an educated and nuanced American citizen. I then followed that up with my own study. Trust that clarifies.

  122. fred carl zuercher's Gravatar fred carl zuercher
    January 11, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    @Dark Henry: Is there an english translation available for “Derrota Mundial” ( World-Wide Defeat ) by Salvador Borrego ?

  123. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Could part of your anger be explained by the fact I have failed to join the chorus of praise giving, sweetheart messages, and blown kisses sent to you by other TOO commenters over recent days?

    You can be sure I will continue to fail as I already know that the arrogance and greed of the average American gal is responsible for more of America’s and the World’s problems than most are (so far) prepared to admit. America is the world’s pre-eminent Matriarchy, which is precisely why it is under the mass delusion it has the right to ‘Mother’ just about everybody else in the world. A funny and perverse kind of ‘Mothering’ when you happily bomb to shreds little children and burn their Mothers with Phosphorous munitions, eh?

    Civilian casualties during the First (1914-18) World War were about 10 percent of the total. During the murderous and illegal Iraq Invasion perpetrated by your over-mechanized military forces, the civilian casualties amounted to 90 percent of the total. And you thought your fancy precision guided weapons would be more precise, eh? Think again lady.

    A good example of why repudiating Europeans is such as cheap and easy shot for politicians is illustrated by Anglo Saxons rude, condescending, and uninformed post addressed to me.

    Nonsense woman. Complete and utter nonsense. Kindly control yourself and grow up. I wasn’t being condescending at all, and neither was my earlier post (to which you have angrily responded twice) uninformed. Perhaps you should learn to research the available facts more thoroughly and critically?

    As someone whose family has been here since the late 1600′s I do not require history lessons on my own country from you. I am justly proud of my ancestors and their accomplishments, not the least of which was a refusal to be condescended to by the likes of you.

    Your problem is not the ordinary British folk like me, who often know much more about America’s history than even well educated Americans purport to know. Your problem is having the maturity to acknowledge the simmering hatred you hold for Britain and the British that has been inculcated in your lazy head by years of silly, and wildly inaccurate anti-British, media-led propaganda.

    Realize that your War of Independence was not fought against British forces per se, but against the British Crown. Most British soldiers refused to fight against the Colonists. That is precisely why the British Crown in the shape of King George had to rent mercenaries from the European Continent else there would have been precious few troops to oppose Washington’s forces with. Get it?

    So kindly get off your feminist high horse … Mizz Annie Oakley!

    I can trace part of my family tree right back to the Doomsday Book. So what? By arguing on your terms I easily trump you by around 500 years. Satisfied now?

    Please try and learn a sense of humour. I know it will be difficult as it is already widely known that American humour is almost non-existent: in the sense that the characteristic American has the reputation for having a very thin skin. Prickly and crabby are other appropriate adjectives. This national characteristic of yours was recognized during the 19th century and popularized by a well-known English (female) author. I can’t remember that author’s name right now, but don’t doubt that I could find it after spending 10 minutes to consult my library, a task I don’t plan on doing right now.

    Love and kisses,

    Anglo Saxon.

  124. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 11, 2012 - 11:53 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: The end of liberalism, because what else it left for it to “achieve”? It has done it all – gay marriage, women generals, affirmative action, demonization of white men, wholesale immigration to destroy white America, massive government, hate speech laws, government intrusiveness in every area of our lives, Ridley’s Kemp Sea Turtle elevated to idolatry, etc. America is Liberalism.

  125. tombarnes's Gravatar tombarnes
    January 11, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I think White Western Civilization was ripe for self-critical introspection post WW2. Whites had gone around the world for the prior 200 years saying, “Hey our way is the best, look at the stuff our civilization has created…wow!…be like us and oh, by the way, let us run your land.” That worked well for a while. White Western Civilization brought a ton of improvements to the bush all around the world.
    But then WW1 and WW2 and Mister Hitler came along and Western Civilization, which had been astride the world, also had the time and the money to indulge themselves with anxiety and introspection. Whites and Western Civization started to doubt themselves after suicidal WW1 and WW2 plus the sheer number of deaths. Western Civilization was still the richest. They had the money and power to afford the nonpragmatic introspection. Civil rights was the nail in the coffin of white self-esteem. “Holy Shit…we are assholes after all” was the thought.
    But all of this was helped along by the fifth column of Caucaphobes who are jealous of White civilization and want to undermine any confidence and self-assurance so they created the looking inward Guilt Pill which magically saps all confidence in your ancestors.

    I think the idea of looking inward was kind of new to Whites and Western Civ and Freud was a big popularizer in America followed by the Frankfort School.

    Psychology was in its adolescence in WW2 and it found a newly receptive audience in America, a newly introspective, soul-searching America. So doubt and abeyance replaced certainty and action. There was a hunger for introspection, which had been missing in the former linear looking, compulsively doing Western civilization.

    So yeah, there was an appetite for soul searching self-blame since White civilization was obviously not perfect or even as good as say, the Victorians thought it was. The Frankfort school filled that need.
    But Frankfort School Fans are also the Police of Talk. They determine what you can and cannot say in the public forum without losing your job. Maybe not lose your job but be put on the Neanderthal list of unpromotables. The reign of Terror in employment began, helped by the Robespierre of the revolution, the Human Resources Department. In 1820 80% of Americans worked their own farms, were beholden to no one, and spoke their minds. Now 90% of us work for someone else and we would lose our jobs if we spoke incorrectly so we spend far more time looking around ‘to see what everyone else thinks.’ You do not want to risk losing that promotion because you were proud of your white ancestors or that horrible white civilization. We learn in grade school high school and the liberal arts how horrible our white ancestors were to the locals, defending them is ‘white supremacist.’ (or is it just what equalicist?). As adults if we watch TV we pick up the same message.
    I do not think it is a yearning for self racial abuse, I think it comes from above. The Police of Talk.

    Personally now I think we are sort of sated on the feast of self blame, we can no longer afford the psychological self-laceration unless we wish to kill the goose that laid the golden egg, Western Civilization. Getting high on these Gilt Pills is an expensive habit. That is just my opinion and I am a white guy without connections/fame/wealth and I think there are a lot of us out there.

    But Western civilization is like that line about democracy as a form of government, “Democracy… it is the worst form of government, except for all the rest. “ I would say White Western Civilization is the worst form of Civilization, except for all the rest. Yeah whites have pimples but relatively speaking they are small. It isn’t perfect but it is better for more people than all the rest.

  126. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: I recommend you urgently seek out an excellent and informative book by Jonah Goldberg, entitled:

    Liberal Fascism ~ The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the ‘Politics of Meaning’.

    Doubleday, ISBN 978-0-385-51184-1, pub 2007.

  127. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 11, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly:

    Thank you for these comments Farnham

  128. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 11, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly: Thank you for the kind words, I have also enjoyed reading your pieces and felt a certain kinship as a fellow businessman engaged in more than the pursuit of “filthy lucre”, yet also understanding it is a necessary component.
    Many a management consultant critisized my style as “overly paternalistic” and lacking good systems, but my results were good. My newest venture is outside my comfort zone, so I am still learning. To paraphrase the Newport News Dry Dock Company (of long ago?), I’m going to do a good job of it, at a profit if I can, at a loss if I must.
    I am looking forward to your future writings.

  129. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 11, 2012 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice – you aren’t legally or morally responsible for Ward’s interpretation of what you believe or what anyone elses believe.
    It’s hard not to see Ward’s behaviour as malign, but maybe people here know him personally and know he’s cool. I don’t know.
    But to spell it out for everyone. This site does not advocate violence or any other criminal activity. Commenters are asked to refrain from advocating such things on this site.
    If Ward doesn’t understand this, perhaps he should check out the big red writing in the new comment section. If ward doesn’t like it and doesn’t want to comply, hopefully he’ll find himself moderated and harmful comments removed.

  130. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 1:20 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: right. Obviously idiot is a metaphor in this case. Some of the smartest people are idiots. Fundamentally, my complaint with Matt started in spades when he formulated , as I recall, “universal particularism.” This is about as idiotic as it gets and only smart folks can come up with such silliness.

    To be fair, I “think” that what he means is that many sources of particularism are just fine, but that that somehow constitutes a Universal. It does’t. And to so assert is confusing for most folks, and is a futile attempt to salvage Universalism as a category of thought.

    Universalism is Dead. The usage of such is a snare. Only smart idiots like Jews can plunge their oars into such a swamp. Of course, Jews save Universalisms for their marks…goyim. They never apply it to Jewishness.

    “Philosophy” is largely bunk, particularly the philosophy of the last hundred years or so. Any Thinking devoid of socio-biology is bunk. Any thinking without Darwin is bunk.

    “Universal Particularisms” is the double-think of a sophomore trying to ride two horses going in opposite directions. Think how hard it would be on one’s testostrone sources. Philosophy majors need not apply sort of thing.

    Then there is what we used to call goody-two-shoes when I was a kid. Come out and get your damned shoes dirty like the rest of us….that was the gist of it. Politics is dirty not with necessarily with money but with blood; it is a blood sport. No blood sport is anything but winners and losers.

    You want to win?

    Joe

  131. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Again, you are uninformed. You mistake disdain for anger. I am not in favor of matriarchy, rather I have called for a return to patriarchy as a corrective to the feminism which accounts for many of our current problems. Since the vast majority of my ancestors hailed from the British Isles it would be foolish of me to have a simmering hatred for Britain or the British. I very rarely lose control of myself, certainly not under these circumstances. I grew up forty five years ago. I am pleased to have a cordial relationship with many on this site but I certainly do not require sweetheart kisses. I merely refuse to accept insults to my heritage or ancestors without protest. If that is not acceptable on this site than I am surely in the wrong place.

  132. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: yoga is good especially if you are not getting other exercise. HOWEVER, head standing is not a good idea, especially for older folks,

    I have been a swimmer all my life and as a result have shoulder problems if i do not take it very easy these days on said shoulders. A doc remarked to me: you know, the arms were not designed to be a major source of locomotion. Likewise, the head and neck are not designed to be stood on.

    Use your head. Joe

  133. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Thanks for the kind words. I am not concerned with legalities, only that in a city like NY such foolishness could be used against my children. It is a town that plays by a very different set of rules. The nastiness of such tactics are part of the problem that led me here.

    I do not know this man, but I am a bit disheartened by how quickly and irresponsibly the tone here turns ugly. I suppose this is the inevitable result of an open comments section.

    You, of course, have always been a model of civility and good will. I have often taken encouragement from your posts. My goal is to reclaim a space for mature and respectable but honest debate in this country. Those of us who are not prepared to resort to savagery in order to secure our goals must support one another. Hope the new year brings all we yearn for.

  134. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 1:48 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: You raise an in interesting point. It would be nice to get some concrete sense for where people in the US, England and Europe stand on the issues we raise around here. It would be especially interesting to compare them to points in the past. I feeling that all would be in decline from the past, unfortunately. I’m sure things like acceptance for interracial marriage or much higher than 30 years ago.

    On the other hand, the actual practice of people may not be that different. My impression is that most Whites marry other Whites – I believe the stats back that up. And in the US, Whites move to areas to avoid blacks (or NAMs – Non-Asian minorities – no one minds the Asians quite so much). There is a definite trend to avoid blacks and Mestizos among those who can.

    Although, none of that can be attributed to this site or anything else in White Advocacy. It’s just happening.

  135. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

    @Jim: the quote you used I assume is Matt’s. This is a perfect example of what I object to in Matt’s oracular writing. He Knows what the “tipping point” is. If someone like Buchanan said this, it might mean something. But I would still disagree. It is preposterous for a kid especially to assert that he “knows” what the tipping point is. Tipping point for What? I might add. Tipping point for revolt, or surrender?
    Sounds like surrender.

    A recent article in the WSJ (I think) reported a study on distorted thinking of folks who, when asked , say, about how many immigrants there are, usually are off by about a factor of 5 or so. These folks see one immmigrant and think they see 20. WSJ thinks this is very bad. I think it is very good because psychology is working for WN. WSJ simply concluded that folks only look at data if it confirms their prejudices. There is something to that.

    However the signal psychological fact here is that folk’s Fear is registering in their perceptions. But then WSJ is not able to see that because it loves the beaners, etc.

    So, the histrionics we can do without and political science we need. I have already noted the important shift in Obongo with regard to negotiating with the Arabs and even Al-Qaeda. If Obongo IS a Muslim. Hurray!

    my email is webfoote41@ yahoo.com for anyone who wants to get on my mailing list. I write just about every day, and try to get a few laughs from my pungent prose. Joe

  136. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: Richard, you are right about older White folks. One of the best experiences a person can have is to spend some time in a small town that is almost all White. The kindness, the civility, the benevolence is just amazing. It’s what America used to be. When we retire, we should all think about finding a nice all White community to settle in.

  137. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I am always polite to everybody. I even said Merry Christmas to a beaner in an eatery. He just stood there looking at me. If someone insulted a Negro per your story, I would defend the Negro and Stop the White guy. I mean Stop.

    Personal relations are one thing and political relations are another.

    If you can build white solidarity with the use of nigger, then do it. Pragmatic approach. If the use of the term fails to build white solidarity, then do not use it.

    I have seen such funny stuff…How about the use of the term “jewish person” which I have seen jews use. Ha!

    Never treat anybody personally with contempt. That is true of all people. However, politics is not personal life.

    When a majority of even large minority can bring themselves to Jew and Nigger, and Spic, then we will be on our way. As long as fuddy-duddy liberalspeak ties your tongue…you are still in the psy-war trap. j

  138. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    January 11, 2012 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Joe – if there was a way to keep the universalism while also restoring the ‘world sense’ of ethnic Euoropeans, what would you say to that? Assuming it was possible.

  139. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall: wow. talk of massacring anybody is not exactly gentlemanly, good form, or even politically wise.

    If anybody massacres anybody it will be jews massacring us thru their manipulation of other Whites.

    When WN wins out thru hearts and minds, not guns, there is no need for genocide. Segregation, repatriation and other modes of removal will do the trick.

    I am trying to save jews, niggers and spics from themselves, from the inevitable massive Revenge cycle that will ultimately occur if the above stated Solutions do not occur. As Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations recommends, Separation and Good Fences is the only solution.

    Already the Repugnicans like Santorum are talking about genocide. Let these fools and mind-bashed idiots, bashed by the jews, be exposed as the monsters and haters that they are.

    I don’t hate anybody, it would just be so nice if these various Others were not here and we could return to the land of Norman Rockwell. I am old enough to remember the last days of that period, the 1950s. Unlocked doors, keys in the car, kids left to roam around on their own, dogs unleashed, and squares having a good time. Joe

  140. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Mickey, why are you attached to the word or concept of Universalism? When I hear the word Universal, I reach for my Origin of Species.

    Without saying that you cannot wade into the same river twice, I would say, that If Equality does not exist, and that even identical twins have enough differences due to genetic subtleties that are beyond me, as well as exposures to insult and injury …that means they are a bit different, the real world gives us no universals except trivial universals, like we have two eyes, and so on.

    Not to go Eastern on you, but individuals are wonderfully (and often stupidly) very different. One of the benefits of getting Darwinian and genetic is that you stop demanding folks to change and just let them be. That does not mean you accept all differences. Your Enemies need to be stopped or killed or jailed.

    So without going on, tell me why Universals are needed? Traits are a biological and scientific notion. Is there a trait for poetry? Of course there is. Now having things in common is not a universal, if for no other reason than it avoids Abstractions which usually go rabbinic on you.

    Feelings are fundamentally the important thing. Ideas are secondary in everyday functioning. Can ideas influence Feelings? Of course. So that is where Experience comes in. The older one is, the more Experience one has had. That makes older folks wiser, in general and more resistant to silly abstract ideas.

    The older we get the more our true Selves emerge. I said I would not go Eastern on you and I am not. Our true selves are our genes. We slough (sp?) off our false consciousness like a snake shedding its skin and our feelings, discriminations, impulses guide us.

    Tell me more. Joe

  141. Dark Henry's Gravatar Dark Henry
    January 11, 2012 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    @fred carl zuercher:
    I did a quick internet search and could not find any reference to an English translation of Derrota Mundial. I read Spanish fluently and discovered Borrego’s work while working in South America a while ago. It is one of the most integral and honest books about WWII ever written, from the military, political and spiritual point of view. The usual suspects tried to boycot it to no avail in the Spanish speaking world, it is now in the 48th editon since first published in the 60s and can be downloaded for free. The reason for not being published in English is the same one why 200 Hundred Years Together by Alexander Solzhenitsyn did not make it either. The self-chosen grip over the English speaking world is worst than elsewhere.

  142. daniel's Gravatar daniel
    January 11, 2012 - 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Alice, based on what I have seen in a few threads, your views have been misrepresented by some criticizing you: e.g., depicting you as a feminist seems markedly untrue; for you to be depicted as ignorant of history well, this is just rancorous blather that you have incurred – It is so noted – you’ve been on the receiving end of some very unskilled rhetoric.

    And Mickey Mickey Meadows, Thank you for his clarification

    @Alice Teller:

    “Alice – you aren’t legally or morally responsible for .. interpretation of what you believe or what anyone elses believe.”

  143. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 11, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @daniel:
    Thank you, it is kind of you to take the time to say so. It is all silly and needless when we have real opponents to face.

  144. January 11, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    @Trainspotter: Magnificent, Trains. I’ll add it in my blog collection of best comments.

  145. January 11, 2012 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly: The Northwest Front IS the solution.

  146. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 11, 2012 - 4:40 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: “Use your head.” OK, I’m convinced! No headstands. Not that I was really tempted . . .

  147. January 11, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    @Selous Scout: I am not horrified, but look forward for The Day

  148. Fred Carl Zuercher's Gravatar Fred Carl Zuercher
    January 11, 2012 - 5:27 pm | Permalink

    @Dark Henry: Thanks for the follow-up. I’ve also come up against frequent, obvious censorship on WWII books that dare to buck the victor’s propaganda.

  149. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: You look forward to a day when tens of millions perish due to starvation in the span of 6 months? Okay, I won’t argue the point, if that is your desire, there is no o talking you out of it.

    But there will never be a situation where 20 or 30 million people starve to death in the US. Or two million. Or 20,000. This is virtually impossible. Is this what “White Nationalism” lusts after? 50 million dead “race traitors” in the street? Streets “ankle deep” in blood?

    I won’t argue the point. If you desire that, no words I say could change your mind. But those of us that want Europeans and European Americans to thrive seem to be split in two groups: Those that lust for the world to be washed over in blood, dreaming of the “justice” of an apocalypse, and those of us that are definitely not yearning for that. What people involved in White Advocacy or “White Nationalism” should face is that the two groups are not the same and can never really work together.

    In my view, the blood lust group will always be a tiny number of people. And if TOO wants to attract more people, it must realize that this attitude is anathema to 99% of Whites who are otherwise persuadable. We do not want to make common cause with the “Hard Men of White Nationalism”, who seem more like overgrown children than serious adults to me.

  150. January 11, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    This timidity by white men is why you’re writing articles with such self-defeating titles as “With-A-Whimper” because that’s what this is – a great, drawn-out, whiny whimper.

    This reminds me an article by William Ventvogel that recently got quite a few hits in my blog, that I rebaptized as “Lycanthropy: or How will the Castilian Wolf deal with Little Red Riding Hoods after the crash”.

  151. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Does everyone realize how old this meme about the imminent collapse of America is? It was already well developed as a marketing tool by the early 1970s. Here is a book by perennial alarmist Howard Ruff. It was published in 1974 and it was called ‘Famine and Survival in America’. You can look it up on Amazon. So, 40 years ago, ol’ Howard was raking in dough from people, convincing them that imminent financial collapse was about to lead to chaos and starvation in the streets.

    How did that work out? Now, a little prudence is a good thing. Have a little cash saved. Maybe have a couple of gold coins. Always smart to have some food in the house if a hurricane strikes. But the older guys should be honest with the younger ones, and tell them these predictions of mass starvation, total collapse and Mad Max survivalism have been around for 60 years.

    It’s mainly a marketing ploy to sell you stuff.

  152. January 11, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Spain of the late 15th century had much in common with late twentieth century America – Great North

    Absolutely.

    A particular point made, which I had never thought of before, was the change in Mexican self-perception from the heirs of the great Spanish martial tradition to, well, just being Mexicans. What a let down, and the picture was worth a thousand words! — Trainspotter

    Not only Salvador Borrego’s book has not been translated to English as stated above, José Vasconcelos’s 1937 bestseller Breve Historia de México—which runs under the premise that when Iberian whites ruled New Spain they were even more prosperous than Americans, and when the mestizos took over it became a 4th class nation—has not been translated after… decades!

    @ Jason Speaks,

    Take a look to the “lycanthropic” article linked above (and the other articles by Ventvogel). No war has even been won without a blood bath. Wm. Pierce was closer to what, eventually, will have to be done than those non-lycanthrope, pro-white gentleman you favor.

  153. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: I understand that these Hard Men of White Nationalism are not just reluctantly willing to wash the world over in blood, they are quite eager for it.

    They seem to say, “Ah, to wade into a pool of severed arms and legs, hearing the last whimpering cries of those weak-willed race traitors! Beg for mercy you ninnies, let me see your tears before I put the final bullet in your skull, for I am great, I am powerful!” And then they look forward to greedily raping the women who are left over. Charming.

    I don’t think these people give a hoot about the White race or White Civilization or anything else. A cursory look at the figures in so many” White Nationalist” organization reveals a surprising number of people with criminal backgrounds. All the forums and websites devoted to “White Nationalist” personalities are replete with vicious personal conflicts. Many of the organizations of a more militant type have involved murderers and sex offenders.

    Are these people trying to improve their country, or just trying to play Grand Theft Auto in the real world?

  154. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: I do understand the desire to “toughen up” Whites, but I think there is a misunderstanding about how this process actually takes place, and how groups of people actually carry out difficult acts needed for their survival.

    People, Caucasian are at their most dangerous when they feel sanctimonious, self-righteous, morally perfect. Americans have killed millions of people in wars for generations and never thought twice about it. They felt their opponents were morally repugnant. Schoolkids cheered the bombing of Japanese women and children, laughed about it, but it was not done in the spirit of “look at us, we are vicious killers that the world must fear”. The tone was that we had been forced into it and we were dealing with people who had violated civilized norms of behavior. We did not view ourselves as killers and certainly not as murderers; rather we viewed ourselves as innocent, morally perfect, civilized. This is when people are at their most dangerous.

    Frankly, the person who thinks of himself as a killer, as a “hard man”, doesn’t much interest me. They are capable of crime, little else. It is the person who views himself as kind, loving, decent and above all, morally perfect, who has traditionally unleashed Hell. Sometimes Hell needs to be unleashed, just know that it is angels who do it best.

  155. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 11, 2012 - 8:25 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: For hispanohablantes, Derrota mundial is downloadable here:
    http://www.4shared.com/office/wJOoILHw/derrota_mundial.htm

  156. Luca's Gravatar Luca
    January 11, 2012 - 8:39 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Anglo Saxon, you should avoid speaking about what you do NOT know. Clearly, you do not know a damn thing about Brazil(neither does Matt Parrot). I do, because I’m Brazilian. A white Brazilian… yep, we do exist… and in large numbers! Whites can be found all over the country, although they are heavily concentrated in parts of the Southeast and South. We constitute nearly half of Brazil’s population, over 90 million people. There are more people of Portuguese(not mixed or mixed only with other Europeans) descent in Brazil than in Portugal. A lot more. Brazil is home to the largest Italian community outside Italy. After Germany and the USA, we have the largest number of people of German ancestry. I’m one of them. Brazil received very large numbers of immigrants from Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Ukraine. Non European caucasoids, particularly Syrians and Lebanese also came in large numbers. As did and still do many far East Asians(Koreans and Chinese). São Paulo is home to the largest Japanese community outside Japan. Of the non whites, the most significant(a majority in most states) are the Brown people. The brown are mixed people, whites+Indians+blacks. Recent genetic studies however, show that the European contribution is the most important one. Blacks in Brazil, who BTW, have a lot more European blood than black Americans, are less than 10%.

  157. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    @Matt Parrott: just found this. Funny.

    I spew nothing but cleverness and bon mots and rationality at town meetings. You seem to have a special place in your heart for invective against me, and I don’t know why. Just calling you an idiot gets this kind of exaggeration and hip-shooting? By the way, I am 70, look great and could wup your butt I am sure. You need it.

    I suspect you are one of those kids who has never had the experience of a street fight. Dainty and proper. Just like your WN. Enough to draw yawns from our audience.

  158. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 9:49 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: and do not neglect the wonderful world of commies and assorted freaks who have been predicting the Depression and Crisis for as long as I can remember. When I was an anti-commie leftie, I would laugh at these idiots. I also laughed at their denial of a human nature. What is it about those who deny a human nature? Is it their Transgressive Impulses? Is it their narcissism…wanting the world to be what They want? Is it ressentiment …that superior people somehow are just Lucky? etc.

    As I keep saying, no Collapse, but more and more erosion of the Center, polarization.. especially racial, stagnation if economy, maybe War if the Repugs get in (vote for Obongo per my earlier arguments) unless you want at All, Right Now! Well, war does speed up revolution, and maybe counter revolution. I would rather slow down a bit and avoid WW 3.

  159. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 9:55 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: again, Darwin. love your friends, neutralize your enemies and negotiate with the Middle.

    Our emotions are just fine the way they are. They serve to protect and enhance our group. That is what nature wants. New Agers want you to luv everybody. Lefties too, except for nazis , or as the jewyorktimes is given to saying these days, the “dark” forces of reaction or racism, or anything the jew does not like. Dark. Dark is enlightening jyt readers almost every day now. Has not anyone reminded them of the Darkies and that jyt may be subconsciously racist?

  160. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: ahem, the people who are most sensitive to our plight include people who have never read a book in their lives. They get it…emotionally. College in the liberal arts and humanities has ruined millions of Whites. They are wimps, new agers, listen to jew public radio, and buy books that repeat-after-me the same jew lies and commie lies book after book after book.

    Some folks here think the counter-revolution will be accomplished with texts, rationality, and Fairness. Right now, the project is political and organizational and requires those qualities just described. A few years from now, things might change. There is a possibility of relatively little bloodshed, but there is also the possibility of bloodshed in large amounts.

    We may be beaten back to the North. But our armies will march south later.
    There will be bloodshed. I do not celebrate it, but I predict it and suggest that folks get a bit more realistic, purge their libraries of liberal cant, and accept reality. All those niceties of liberalism fly out the door when it is kicked in, either by us, or by our enemies.

  161. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 11, 2012 - 10:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Think of Billy Budd, Herman Melville’s novel. Billy was a sweet and strong aryan young man of about 18. Everybody loved him for his sweet ways. Claggart (?..the sound of the name) was the first mate who accused Billy of theft or something. Claggart hated Billy for his sweetness and honest nature.

    When Billy was so accused, he burst forth and decked Claggart with one punch, killing him. Captain Vere (addicted to truth and justice, not mercy) executed Billy, but hated doing so.

    Point, Sweet guys are often real tough. The mark of a well-formed nature.

    Personally, I have been disposing of bullies since the third grade. WE need guys who are both sweet and tough. Ditto gals.
    Joe

  162. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 11, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: Yes, what I mean to say is, you never know who will be the best asset in a conflict, until it happens. The tough-talking guy may be useless and the quiet guy may be magnificent.

    But I’m not talking about the worthless guys collecting money for some cause in Portland who lets his wife go to Vegas with the girls while he stays home and vacuums. There is nothing that can be done for him and he will be useless. But in the end, he won’t be much of an opponent either.

    Also, if you are talking about who will be doing the actual police type work in some hypothetical conflict-ridden future, I am sure the individuals doing that work will be made of sterner stuff than the average fellow. But if a society goes to war – literally or figuratively – it needs support all throughout the society.

  163. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 11, 2012 - 11:59 pm | Permalink

    @Luca: Thank you for your informative response, although I feel it was rather more emotional and accusatory than it needed to be. I never write about issues I know nothing about.

    I have good reasons to claim I know far more about Brazil’s history than most outsiders, but I am obviously not fully versed with how Brazil is right now … today. Countries are always in flux, especially large ones. Brazil has changed massively during only the past 25 years.

    I am well aware of all the other (non-black) communities that you have pointed to, except for the Italian and Ukrainian ones. That was news to me. Lebanese (and Korean) communities can be found all over the world. I note with interest that you overlooked the significant ‘Jewish’ community in São Paulo.

    I was not wrong about Brazil. It’s just that I was describing a Brazil of 100, 200, and 300 years or more ago. Most people are aware there have been many waves of immigrants from Europe (and Japan) to Brazil since then. Although I did not make this explicit, I was really attempting to describe (in my original response to commenter ‘Dark Henry’) a Brazil of the 17th through to the early 19th century.

    I can assure you that Brazil started out in the ways I described. Originally, it was THE pre-eminent slave state employing Black Africans. African slavery in Brazil was well developed long before the first set foot on American Colonial soil.

    I am somewhat surprised at the 10% Black population percentage you gave. Out of respect I will assume you are quoting official figures, and that therefore it is accurate. I would have expected a Black percentage much closer to 20% or 25% (perhaps even 30%). There again, if memory serves me well, people should note that Brazil is home to one of the global populations that has doubled or tripled in number during the past 60 years. That equates to a huge amount of genetic change.

    muitas felicidades

    AS

  164. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 12, 2012 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: It’s interesting that while most of us think of America as softer than it should be, notice how many people we have killed in wars since around 1940. This is not am anti-American statement by the way! I’m just noting that when you add up all the fatalities we’ve inflicted since then, a person might be shocked given the wimpish image most White guys have these days.

    But we did it because we dehumanized our opponent and thought of them as the aggressor – an “evil” that had to be stopped. In WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I and II, we saw the opposition as embodying some existential threat to our existence – The Japanese and Fascism in WWII (I think it was mainly the Japanese that people hated) – in the public mind Japan had sneak attacked us and the Germans were on the Japanese side, so that was that; with the Asian land wars it was the domino theory and the need to stop Communism before it took us over; with Iraq it was stopping a madman with nukes and fighting them over there before they got here.

    That was all war propaganda and it took liberties with the truth, although there was some factual basis (I won’t argue it all because it would take a lifetime – and obviously Iraq was a bad deal for us – and all of WWII should have been avoided) I’m just talking about how nations get themselves hyped up for war). So that’s what nations do when they go to war, right? This isn’t just America, the USSR did the same thing, so does every country. It seems to me that you have to portray yourself as somehow morally or metaphysically more entitled than your enemy in order to get masses of people to buy in. White people especially need to feel like they are rallying around a righteous cause. Now, this can be BS and cause trouble. A Civil War that killed 700,000 White people for the sake of another race was a bad idea, but it shows the power of a moral ideal to move people (even in the wrong direction).

    With White people today, I think it would be more effective to portray other groups as bigoted and Whites the innocent victims of that bias. We have to develop a way of thinking of about all this that makes Whites the aggrieved party in some sense. I don’t mean playing victim in some pitiful way, but establishing that the other ones are the Bad Guys and deserve to be removed from power, or whatever. Sort of what FDR did with Pearl Harbor. There may have been some dishonesty in the whole thing, but he got what he wanted and he won.

  165. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    January 12, 2012 - 12:24 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    We are already doing that with the slogan: “Anti-racist is code for anti-White”.

  166. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    January 12, 2012 - 2:43 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I have no real beef with you Alice, but I do not like your haughty attitude, your self-centredness, and your constant carping about the way many of us here at TOO like to (or prefer to) debate. Most of us here are already grown-ups with immense CVs, and long life’s experiences. The last thing we need is some bl**dy overly-opinionated woman trying to give us a verbal scolding every other day just because ‘she’ doesn’t ‘like’ the way we say things to each other.

    I have several years experience writing comments at various Blogs and Forums (I have not yet bothered starting my own as I feel there are more than enough on the Web already). What I have noticed, time and again, is the same pattern revealing itself. A female arrives on the scene (yet, paradoxically, I would agree there are too few female commenters) and she immediately causes disruption. She does this because she is addicted to finding out first who her admirers are (and therefore whom she can manipulate) and those who are not.

    In recent days and week, you have behaved exactly in this way, here at TOO. Therefore, despite your mature years (as you keep reminding us) it would appear you still have some residual immaturity and emotional insecurities that are unresolved.

    The archives of TOO, let alone those of other blogs, will show that the fastest way for two men to get into petty arguments with each other, especially online, is to start competing for the approval of some self-centred female who expects to be ‘courted’ online, even in the middle of crucial debates! And the sad irony is that as soon as she has finished causing absolute mayhem and trouble, she then has the habit of disappearing as suddenly as she arrived.

    A prime example of the process I am describing has been offered during the past 18 hours. See the response to you: daniel January 11, 2012 @daniel

    Clearly, by deciding to come to the ‘rescue’ of the poor, picked upon, ‘damsel in distress’ he is hoping the TOO readership will see him as a ‘big man’. It really is quite pathetic. He clearly doesn’t yet understand the damage and disruption so often caused by the wiles of highly manipulative women. In other words, the very wiles you and other female visitors keep bringing to these comment pages. What is wrong with you? You all suffering from some unidentified, unfulfilled, emotional void?

    And what was your manipulative (and encouraging) response to ‘daniel’? Here it is:

    Thank you, it is kind of you to take the time to say so. It is all silly and needless when we have real opponents to face.

    So here we see you shifting the emphasis by suddenly announcing your intense concern for the greater good. Reads a bit like a conversion on the road to Damascus! But sorry. I accuse you of starting the problem between us. You were the cause of it when you climbed onto your ‘high horse’. If you don’t wish to see “silly and needless” discussion, then stick to the topic at hand, and dispense with your overly demanding ego while doing so.

    I grew up forty five years ago. I am pleased to have a cordial relationship with many on this site but I certainly do not require sweetheart kisses.

    I never sent you ‘sweetheart’ kisses. I sent you some fully deserved sarcasm. Evidently, you don’t have the sophistication to discriminate between the two.

    I merely refuse to accept insults to my heritage or ancestors without protest.

    There you go again … grandstanding with a megaphone. You are also proving my earlier point about the average American (woman) having very thin skin.

    And I have a question … just how wide does YOUR own particular piece of heritage spread? The history of America is too large and long for one little lady to get out her loaded gun every time a ‘nasty’ Brit (still the enemy!) says something you don’t like about America’s past, about its many mistakes, about its stupid “manifest destiny”, and about its mythological development that was bathed in the Occult from the beginning.

    And from another comment of yours, on this same page, above:

    … but I am a bit disheartened by how quickly and irresponsibly the tone here turns ugly. I suppose this is the inevitable result of an open comments section.

    “Irresponsibly”? Who do you think you are … the Queen of the TOO Comments pages? Get out of here!

    Look my child. This is how debates are meant to be. An “ugly debate” is far, far superior to shooting dead someone you strongly disagree with. That is why man invented politics. Politics is clearly not for women. And I see evidence for this every time I read the contributions of 90% of women writing for or commenting at political sites such as this one. I also see it every time that harlot named Hillary Clinton opens her big mouth.

    We men will set the tone of our debates as we see fit. If you don’t like it then get back to doing what your generation should have done, but have patently failed to do for over 50 years … back to controlling the wild sexual excesses of the younger women in your family, clan, or community … and back to educating all of your children (or grandchildren) properly.

    If you insist on visiting the TOO website, then kindly do so ONLY to offer us comments that contain some material worth, instead of your own half-baked opinions of others’ behaviour.

    And even more importantly, stop coming here just to attract a fan club. If you are not being emotionally fulfilled in your life, then please talk to your husband more, get a divorce, or get yourself a boyfriend. That way, we won’t have to put up with any more male TOO Commenters writing you ‘love letters’ in the place of materially useful, and educational comments.

  167. anon's Gravatar anon
    January 12, 2012 - 5:49 am | Permalink

    “I would be interested in any counterexamples of ‘hard’ collapses by the way”

    It’s going to be like the Fall of Rome.

    1) A lot of it will be external as military power is pulled back and regional power struggles take place around the globe.

    2) Internally, when the tipping point comes vis a vis other countries using the dollar as reserve currency it is instant Weimar level hyperinflation. The individual states will create their own currencies so it shouldn’t get too Mad Max outside the main multi-ethnic cities.

    3) Inside the main multi-ethnic cities it will be Mad Max for a while before martial law. The real “hard men” and not idiots should be looking at how to keep them in the cities during this phase so they mostly only kill each other and SWPLs.

    4) The state will become authoritarian, martial law etc. Maybe they’ll be strong enough for gulags and a re-run of the Bolsheviks but i wonder. I think they got too greedy and messed up.

    .
    Ward Skaven
    “The Soviets murdered at least 60 million of their citizens.”

    No. The Jews did that. Not only that but it was the mass murders committed by Jewish Bolsheviks that brought Hitler to power so they can blame themselves for that too.

    “Compared to that, liquidating a few million American Jews would be as easy as making a cake in an Easy-Bake-Oven.”

    It’s weird how Jews think people wanting to not be preyed upon by the Jews is the same as wanting to exterminate them. We just want you to go away and be a curse on somebody else for a bit.

    .
    Pierre de Craon
    “Were Western men and women—pagan, nominal Christian, what you will—less willing and even eager to sell themselves to the highest bidder for material gain, they wouldn’t be owned by the Jews.”

    The Catholic Church gave the Jews the monopoly on banking and money-lending that kept Europe stagnant for 1000 years after Rome fell. I assume they were bribed.

  168. kyle's Gravatar kyle
    January 12, 2012 - 7:03 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Thank you for your comments Alice, I enjoy them as does everyone here. I don’t pretend to understand the hateful attack you endured by one of the posters, but rest assured, it is clear from the blog comments that you were attacked first, repeatedly, and in very poor taste.

    Thanks again for your comments!

  169. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 12, 2012 - 7:14 am | Permalink

    @anon: Thanks for the reply. I do think we could have a major pullback of military power from overseas (although I think our technological edge will last a while – the drones are just one example).

    We may have high inflation someday, even hyperinflation if things got horrible, but there is the thing: other countries have suffered hyperinflation and it created great pain. But, they survived as countries. All of them. Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru and others all of them had hyperinflation and economic misery, but the countries did not dissolve or split apart. I can’t think of a single example that did. So the US might just well survive even hyperinflation with new currency.

    The USSR split apart of course, but that was a pretty artificial construct to start with, more than the US, and they have never had any real Mad Max that I know of.

    I’ve heard this stuff before, long ago. Just don’t be surprised if you wake up 30 years from now and the US is still pretty much the same as it is now.

  170. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 12, 2012 - 7:22 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I think that slogan about Anti-racism being Anti-White is fantastic, I think it works. I have used it in person and online, and no one really has a comeback for it, because it is so obviously true. Everyone should use a version of it before the enemy has a chance to neutralize it.

    It’s easy for people to post on yahoo comments are anywhere else you happen to be.

  171. sylvie's Gravatar sylvie
    January 12, 2012 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    The fiercest opponent of any reference to National-Socialism on this forum is proposing … to send the Jews to Madagascar.:

    I laughed until my hips hurt.

  172. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    January 12, 2012 - 9:17 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Anglo Saxon, as far as I remember Alice Teller’s comments are not about trying to create a “fan club” around her supposedly narcissistic personality. Her comments appear pretty mature to me. As for her critique on the style of the debate, I think at most she insists on some civility. Women appreciate that and rightly so. If you disagree with her on certain subjects, then limit your critique to those subjects but refrain from attacks ad feminam.

  173. sylvie's Gravatar sylvie
    January 12, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @Fred Carl Zuercher
    @Dark Henry:

    And while you’re at it, add

    Joaquín Bochaca, LOS CRÍMENES DE LOS “BUENOS”

    to your reading list.

    For the same reasons you already mentioned, not available in English, but an excellent text for those who read Spanish.

  174. European's Gravatar European
    January 12, 2012 - 10:30 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I might remind you that no one has yet won by betting against us.

    Who is betting against you? I was not betting against you. I live here. But there are natural laws, and as all great Civilizations of the past have thought to be unbeatable, America is no exceptions if it continues to violate existential Laws. But I have to remain hopeful that there are still a few sane intellectuals left who can shift and stir this country to include whites in the debates of “Race Equality” as the dispossations of whites in all avenues of markets are increasing.

  175. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 12, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    @European:
    I was merely expressing a (perhaps unwarranted) hope and faith that my country is not so completely forsaken. Many older Americans grew with an almost religious belief that God gave mankind a second chance in America. It is often painful to admit that we have botched it so badly.

  176. Massah's Gravatar Massah
    January 12, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    The United States Government has no relation to the people living on the land called the “United States”. None whatsoever. The majority of the American people were against the useless and murderous wars inflicted by the American gubment. Europeans would do well to mark this distinction as you keep saying, “you violent Americans! You’re time is gonna come!”. Nope.

    The United States government is a corporate military industrial complex run by ZOG. The politicians therein say what they need to say to get elected, then conveniently forget all about their constituents once in office. They are sellouts to the power and prestige of lobbyists and Judaic money. Their decisions and especially those of the POTUS do NOT reflect the will of the American people.

    And to Anglo Saxon, you have a chip on your shoulder and are obviously a woman hater. May I suggest The Spearhead to live out some of your woman bashing fantasies. From your comments, you appear to be an angry little clown, red-faced and petulant that some woman is on here making statements you don’t agree with. Grow up.

  177. Massah's Gravatar Massah
    January 12, 2012 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Fender. Western Civilization is in a state of deep decline and small groups of racially conscious whites are not going to wake up the other 85% – 90% brainwashed sheep. I also partly agree that the only way to save those whites that are racially conscious is to go North is some form and to go rural. Not necessarily to Iceland, although that is something to think about. Rugged, self-reliant Euro-whites do well in environments that call for forthright work that involves planning and is extreme.

    Hordes of primitive, collectivist savages need an already established infrastructure which is why they overwhelmingly live in the cities of Europe and America. The cities are declining at an accelerated rate and will continue to do so. The different ethnicities of savages are already turning on each other.

  178. Koprarott's Gravatar Koprarott
    January 12, 2012 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: @Jason Speaks:

    “”….slogan about Anti-racism being Anti-White is fantastic, I think it works…..””

    Im not so sure. In longer perspective it might be damage white interests because it legitimizes this mass murderer Trotsky invented R word and enforces us play by the jewish rules. It means, that the old game goes on. They screaming “racist” and we need to prove all the time that we are not.

    I think, that we must get rid from this jew invented brainwashing word. There is no such thing like irrational hate only because skin color, but dislike of some groups are caused by their own behavior.

    There is no such thing like racism.

  179. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 12, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: @kyle:
    Thank you, Gentlemen. On this one thread I have been accused of wanting to round up all Jews and have them shot and subjected to lengthy harangues because I defended my heritage and ancestors. Quite a surprise on a white nationalist website!
    This is an example of the extent to which Jewish techniques have infiltrated our minds and debates. If posters are sufficiently unpleasant one is very tempted to simply withdraw.

    I have been very impressed by the civility with which Dr. MacDonald has stated his position. I entertain hopes that this site will provide a place for respectable folk to discuss the problems we face. This appears to be a position that some here find very threatening. Is there some reason they wish to perpetuate the stereotypical image of white nationalists as raging madmen?

  180. daniel's Gravatar daniel
    January 12, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    I disagree, you say:

    “Clearly, [Daniel] by deciding to come to the ‘rescue’ of the poor, picked upon, ‘damsel in distress’ he is hoping the TOO readership will see him as a ‘big man’. It really is quite pathetic. He clearly doesn’t yet understand the damage and disruption so often caused by the wiles of highly manipulative women. In other words, the very wiles you and other female visitors keep bringing to these comment pages. What is wrong with you? You all suffering from some unidentified, unfulfilled, emotional void?

    I disagree, Anglo-Saxon. I have watched this debate for only a few threads now, I honestly do not see any of her posts as unreasonable. Yes, I am trying to encourage more participation from White women and am trying to help if I think they are being bullied….but “rescuing a damsel in distress” ? I would not defend them if I honestly thought that they were counter productive. If she were a mudshark and quarter as bad as you say, I would say nothing. Thus, I am not looking for brownie points. She has shown herself to be reasonable, even that where she may be a bit off, she can consider the possibility. On the other hand, your remarks to her have indeed been rude and laced with sometimes highly speculative and cliche’d accusations.

    Why don’t you just ignore Alice rather than engage in all this belligerence?

    There is are serious problems with White American women and no one is more keenly aware of that than I. But I hardly see Alice as an example – more like one who is trying very hard to be honest and deal with the problems.

    Yes, based on my limited example of the exchange thus far, I would defend her.

    She is right, we have enemies to address and she does not appear to be among them. Have a beer, relax and lets turn attention to where it belongs..

  181. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 12, 2012 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    @Koprarott:

    No, the mantra is fantastic. It needs to be repeated ad nauseum until the term “anti-racist” is **immediately** associated with “anti-white” in the minds of the public. The trick is to hammer this concept into people’s minds until they accept it without knowing it. This is a bolshevik tactic, but bolshevik tactics work.

  182. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 12, 2012 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    @Rehmat:
    Of the 46+ million that are living in poverty, how many of those are white? No one talks about poor uneducated whites, the silent throw aways. No one cares.

  183. Koprarott's Gravatar Koprarott
    January 12, 2012 - 3:01 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “”….No, the mantra is fantastic. It needs to be repeated ad nauseum until the term “anti-racist” is **immediately** associated with “anti-white” in the minds of the public…..””

    Well. But enemy will get off the hook very easy. They just change their names. And instead of anti racist they start calling themselves some sort of other name.

    We here in East Europe tried it. We laughed out “Antifa” Any time, when they came on stage, we asked, whats wrong with Henkel company and their FA brand shower gel, shampoo and soap. Why you don,t like hygiene?
    http://www.int.fa.com/

    So they renamed themselves anti nazis and went on with their BS.

    I think, we need more slogan to answer the word “racist” . Very few enemy group,s calling themselves anti racist. Most of the people, using the magic word to silence truth speakers, name themselves some other way.

    So if somebody calls You racist, whats the answer might be?

  184. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 12, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Fender, the reason whites are not organized is because they are not allowed to organize. Look at what has happened to Pat Buchanan, Kevin MacDonald and others. The Multicultural Dictatorship says do what we say or we will destroy you, you will be humilileated, you will lose your job, your savings, your home, your life as you have known it. Look at what the SPLC did to Glen Beck.

    No one represents the rights of white Americans, there is not one civil rights group that supports our interest.

    The base of the Republican Party is white America and the Republican Party does nothing for us.

    Both the Democratic and the Republican Party are controlled by Jews, the social communist control the Democratic Party and the Zionist control the Republican Party. The Zionist (Neoconservatives) came to the Republican Party during the Reagan Administration, so they are really first and foremost social communist who back Israel.

    What we must do is demand equal representation from our political parties. All equality must be achieved politically.

    How many movie studios, newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, publishing houses, factories, are owned by white Americans?

    How many of the actors we see on TV and in the movies are white, non Jewish, Americans. How many authors are white?

    When Obama was elected, my Jewish friend said “we are not hiding anymore”. That my friend was when it was all over, Multiculturalism had won.

  185. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 12, 2012 - 3:58 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle:

    1. We’re not “allowed” to organize? Uh, yes we are. We just don’t. If you keep thinking in terms of what is “allowed” and what isn’t, then of course you’re always going to be a slave.

    2. Rights are irrelevant. Only those with power have rights.

    We need to stop thinking like slaves.

  186. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    January 12, 2012 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Stop talking about defeat! We are fearfully and wonderfully made and we made the world what it is today. All Whites need to do is rid themselves of parasitical influences. We have done it before and we’ll do it again. Numbers are not paramount. Courage and IQ are what count, and we’ve got both on our side. Get to work!

  187. GenoType's Gravatar GenoType
    January 12, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

    @Mike:

    The jews cannot be compared to scorpion.

  188. Mr. Dithers's Gravatar Mr. Dithers
    January 12, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    How the fast declining USA will be dealt the final coup de grace is anyone’s guess although I tend to think it will be sudden and surprise everyone similar to the USSR’s sudden demise. And yes, the spiritual rot is so deep among living whites that it’s enough to make the most optimistic WN into a rank pessimist. It seems I see more and more grandparents with biracial grandchildren these days and acting as if it’s as normal and American as apple pie. And even though many whites seem to be waking up to their plight, there are still far too many willing to acquiesce to the anti-white, left wing thugocracy that American is becoming under the auspice of Obama and his gangster attorney general.

    The comparison between the hubris Santa Ana’s army with today’s equally hubristic contemporary white Americans is very befitting and one I never gave much thought to. And whites will likely suffer humiliating military setbacks both abroad (Iraq, Afghanistan, soon Iran) and in their native lands at the hands of growing hordes of third world insurgents. I have a sinking feeling that a large number of whites simply won’t live through what’s on the horizon.

    An ethnostate is the only solution, but even if we are successful in this endeavor it doesn’t mean the vexing Jewish question can be ignored. For no sooner than a white ethnostate is formed will Jews attempt to undermine and weaken it by every means necessary. An ethnostate must be accompanied by the complete dispossession of Jews in non ethnostate regions of white, Western lands.

  189. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 12, 2012 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Then why aren’t we organized?
    Where is the white caucus? Where is the equivalent organizations for whites as all others.
    you are kidding your self if you think you can organize without great loss.

  190. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 12, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle:

    Why are we not organized? Here’s why:

    1. Because, like a bunch of whiny bitch slaves, we piss and moan about our “rights” and our “freedoms” and our “interests” when no such things exist, and we ignore the fact that history cares about one thing only: who wins.

    2. Because, even though we like to think of ourselves as “awakened,” we still keep referring to ourselves as “gentiles” or “non-Jews” and don’t even attempt to assert our own identity. We still lack the cognitive ability to put ourselves into our own narrative, and continue to see the world through the tribe’s eyes.

    3. Because we refuse to accept the fact that our fellow Whites are our worst enemies, that they will gladly massacre us all in the name of morality, freedom, and equality, and that the vast majority of these Whites cannot be deprogrammed.

    4. Because, again like a bunch of whiny slaves, we hate and resent how smart, cunning, and noble the Jews are. Instead of adopting the master morality of being indifferent to them and focusing solely on us, we instead rant and rave about how “bad’ and “evil” the Jews are, when they are in fact, a much better people than us.

    Need more reasons?

  191. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 12, 2012 - 11:34 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I am not callous. I went to jail over the Vietnam War. I would do it again re the wars for Israel, if there was a large enough movement to do. The Moral Witness made a difference in Vietnam days.

    That said, and somewhat hardened now by more bio-cultural education leading to REalism, wars will always be with us until we take Huntington’s argument to Separate into our major civilizations (really race) and stay put. No immigration of other races or, for that matter cultures that are destined not to fit in with another culture or ethny , like our White ethnic problems.

    So, the US is certainly no worse than any other sovereign country.
    So, why get worked-up about war in general? This war, or that war is what should be our concern. Wars for jews, wars for Capital, etc. are bad for Whites. Wars for Whites are Good. When was there a War for Whites? probably never, except Charles Martel and the other wars that drove out Muslims from Europe.

    Here is something to consider. If the REpugs win in November and war with Iran starts, and things go very Bad in a general kind of way, think what might happen in Europe with regard to Muslims. Europeans will polarize over what to do about them. Europeans are already somewhat polarized. WN will be affected…probably for Good, that is, good for WN and Whites. What about large expulsions of Muslims from Europe. The Repugs could bring about such an event.

    Otoh, as I have written several times, Obongo is negotiating with not only Arabs, but Al-Qaeda apparently.. What if Obongo brought some relative peace to the middle east? What would be the pressures on Israel and how would that possibly change US attitudes …more hostility to Repugs, and so on.

    These are among the matters we should be considering and not just the same old stuff. J

    It is like right now the media likes to get worked-up about pissing on some dead bodies. Big Deal.

    Right now, what is important is that Ron Paul is a real Factor in the Republican primaries. He may start a Third Party, which will deliver the election to Obongo. This is much better than having a zombie shabbas goy like all the Repugnican candidates in there starting world war 3.

    We need pay attention to what is happening right now, not 1943, etc. There are large shifts and realignments going on.

  192. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 13, 2012 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb: Oh just to be clear, I am not worked up over war or the threat of war. My point is that war is always seen as righteous and moral by those who fight and win them. And if we want Whites to win the war (by war, I just mean struggle or conflict of any kind), they will have to view themselves and the White cause as righteous and moral. I don’t know of any exception to this rule. I don’t know of any successful long term struggle where the winner viewed themselves as immoral or even amoral. Therefore, I am afraid that in some sense, Whites will have to be convinced it is moral for them to put up a defense.

  193. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 13, 2012 - 2:22 am | Permalink

    @fender:
    “we hate and resent how smart, cunning, and noble the Jews are.”

    I disagree, but then maybe “we” wins on numbers.

  194. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 13, 2012 - 7:17 am | Permalink

    I wonder how we can measure how many pro-White people are out there? There are no polls I know of, and I’m not sure too many people would answer honestly. Here is something that might be a proxy poll:

    In 2009, around 25 to 30% of Texans said they would consider seceding from the union. The media acted like this was a small number, but when you consider that only about 46% of Texas is White (amazing!), then that number becomes more meaningful. I am guessing most of those willing to secede, even if they were being tongue-in-cheek, were White.

    So, out of the 46% of Whites that make us the Texas population, at least half of them had to answer yes in order to get to a total above 25%. Texas and the South are probably more willing to think this way then other regions (I assume), but that still means there is a large number of Whites out there that are more than a little implicitly White.

  195. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 13, 2012 - 8:17 am | Permalink

    @Ward Kendall:

    I find all the talk of a white nation unnerving, what planet are you on???

    what White america must do is demand the same civil rights that are enjoyed by other Americans.

    We must hold the Republican Party accountable for the representation of its base.

    No on represents white Americans, there is not one civil rights group that represents us.

    The Multicultural Dictatorship is like a Board Game (you know monopoly) with a set of rules and one of the Rules are Whites have no rights, If a white conplains or demands equality, call them white supremacist, racist, nazi (choose your caption). The Justice Department, HUD, SPLC, etc, will smack them back in place. Other white Americans will fall in line bacause they do not want to be humiliated, ruined, lose their jobs, reputation, etc.

    If you look at this in the context of a board game everything makes sense.

    there was a political coup in the 60′s. we are living in a totalitarian form of govt.

    If you start from this premise, you will see that any change must be done politically, pressure on the political parties.

  196. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    January 13, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    Trenchant
    January 13, 2012 – 2:22 am —@fender:
    “we hate and resent how smart, cunning, and noble the Jews are.”
    Trenchant — perhaps the “whites” were/are too mentally challenged to prevent the 2.5 % of the US Population that is Jewish from having almost total domination as happened historically in Germany and Russia and the UK.

    just google –israel domination of u s

  197. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 13, 2012 - 6:03 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I too disagree with the quoted remark. To be precise as to what I disagree with, (1) I do resent and deeply dislike but don’t hate them, though I do hate the evil they wreak upon the rest of us; (2) I agree that, yes, they are cunning, but “smart” is the product of falsified data and a stacked deck, and “noble” is a bill of goods generated by their limitless capacity for self-worship; and (3) “‘we’ wins on numbers,” just as you say, but as they have demonstrated time and again in western Europe and here in the States, numbers don’t matter a damn when they are the ones who decide whether what gets counted will count for anything meaningful (all of which, of course, you already know, Trenchant).

  198. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 13, 2012 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Will you elaborate on smart? I have met plenty of dumb Jews, but many are bright in my experience.

  199. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 13, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: What is meant—as both fender and Trenchant will agree, I’m sure—is not “smart” but “smarter.” Certainly, one will meet smart Jews, especially if he, she, you, I or anyone else doing the meeting is also smart and is working in a field where smartness matters. Yet the never-denied and indeed enouraged perception that Jewishness equals smartness has become so embedded in the imposed alien culture in which all of us live that we are expected, here as elsewhere, to ignore the evidence of our senses, which frequently points to another conclusion (was it Groucho who first said “Who are you gonna believe—me or your lying eyes?”).

    Here’s an example. Anyone who, like me, has ever lived in an area with a significant Jewish population and has gotten out of the house on a Saturday afternoon must surely have witnessed the spectacle of the Sabbath promenade, where mobs of Jews en famille effectively annex all available sidewalk space. On many such occasions I for one can barely recall ever seeing an Orthodox family of more than two kids that did not include the sad spectacle of one or two severely retarded or mentally disabled offspring. Are we to assume that none of these unfortunates ever have children of their own? Ought we to assume, on the other hand, that they are included by statisticians and IQ researchers, very many themselves Jewish, in statistical accountings that lead to, for instance, the famous Bell Curve assessment (p. 275) that Jews in Britain and the United States are between a half and a full standard deviation smarter (in IQ terms) than their white countrymen? Given that Herrnstein and Murray, in common with the researchers they reference, denote as a Jew anyone who so denotes him or her self—with no attempt made to distinguish how much racial Jewishness these largely Ashkenazi Jews actually possess—why should you or I or anyone else follow Groucho’s advice and scorn the evidence of lying eyes?

  200. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 13, 2012 - 7:42 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I replied to your request, but although it is epithet- and profanity-free, it has fallen into the Mire of Moderation, where about a third of my comments spend some considerable time. Please come back tomorrow and check this point on the thread.

  201. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 13, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle:

    “what White america must do is demand the same civil rights that are enjoyed by other Americans.”

    Anyone who has to demand “rights” will never get them. Blacks never demanded rights in this country, it was Whites and Jews who told them they wanted rights, and they won it for them. Blacks had no idea what rights were.

    Who are we going to demand rights to? The people who control our countries despise us and want us all wiped out. Are these the people you’re going to ask for your rights? “Please stop trying to genocide us and give us our rights?”

  202. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 13, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: right. Well, in earlier times folks who were under attack did not have to come up with excuses to defend themselves.

    The problem perhaps is that our recent wars have been questionable at least, in the popular mind, and thus Morality is called in like a priest or a rabbi.

    I am starting a little rereading on Greece and Rome, The Oxford History of the Classical World. (When I was in college, I loved this stuff, but was still a leftie…go figure..genes I guess.)

    So the Persian Wars start in 490. The Greek states are not united, they quibble, some seek deals with the Persians, etc. One could say that there was Immorality at play here, like in France with Vichy…standard liberal anti-fa line.

    Pragmatism is not to be ruled out of any equation. When Fear and Threat become intense enough, then folks fight. Also, the psychological capacity to fight is heavily influenced by love of country/race and so on.

    Something that appeared with the beginnings of Athenian and Spartan political “equality” was a sense of political association which brought greater unity. Thus, nationalism and patriotism was and is cemented by bonds of sociobility that crossed and cross class lines. Machiavelli was one of the first thinkers in the later West to note the utility of natonalism and political equality. Political equality being only that all citiizens had basic rights and duties, Not Equal rights and duties.

    So getting more back on point, the survival of the group or the threat against the group must be felt widely…and still you are correct to point out that many whites have been psy-war demoralized to the point of acceptance of White eclipse or death.

    Arguably however, when the Enemy appears at the door…biology will trump morality. In this regard, women are more in touch than are men, men being Hamleted by Thought.

  203. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 13, 2012 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: right. Well, in earlier times folks who were under attack did not have to come up with excuses to defend themselves.

    The problem perhaps is that our recent wars have been questionable at least, in the popular mind, and thus Morality is called in like a priest or a rabbi.

    I am starting a little rereading on Greece and Rome, The Oxford History of the Classical World. (When I was in college, I loved this stuff, but was still a leftie…go figure..genes I guess.)

    So the Persian Wars start in 490. The Greek states are not united, they quibble, some seek deals with the Persians, etc. One could say that there was Immorality at play here, like in France with Vichy…standard liberal anti-fa line.

    Pragmatism is not to be ruled out of any equation. When Fear and Threat become intense enough, then folks fight. Also, the psychological capacity to fight is heavily influenced by love of country/race and so on.

    Something that appeared with the beginnings of Athenian and Spartan political “equality” was a sense of political association which brought greater unity. Thus, nationalism and patriotism was and is cemented by bonds of sociobility that crossed and cross class lines. Machiavelli was one of the first thinkers in the later West to note the utility of nationalism and political equality. Political equality being only that all citiizens had basic rights and duties, Not Equal rights and duties.

    So getting more back on point, the survival of the group or the threat against the group must be felt widely…and still you are correct to point out that many whites have been psy-war demoralized to the point of acceptance of White eclipse or death.

    Arguably however, when the Enemy appears at the door…biology will trump morality. In this regard, women are more in touch with Fear and Anger than are men, men being Hamleted by Thought and LIberalism. A women will swiftly protect her child, while a man will consider it.

  204. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    January 14, 2012 - 12:17 am | Permalink

    @fender: “Anyone who has to demand “rights” will never get them. Blacks never demanded rights in this country, it was Whites and Jews who told them they wanted rights, and they won it for them. Blacks had no idea what rights were.”

    The Fugitive Slave Act, 1850, is proof sufficient that blacks understand rights. I think you’re selling the MacDonald body of work a bit short here. The genetic patrimony of Africans favours a different set of rights to that of Europeans. Voodoo, tribal law are still systems built on rights and obligations – law of the jungle is an oxymoron – just that our legal system is more articulated than theirs.

    The West became great precisely because there prevailed a widespread consensus on natural rights, concepts that allowed parties unacquainted with each other to carry on business and cooperative ventures, ie. broadened the division of labour.

    Tribal structures, with rights dictated by blood alone, allow for such constrained division of labour that no great productive enterprises are possible (good if you’re intent on running a diamond cartel in Antwerp, bad if you’re trying to run a broader enterprise).

    I don’t believe in legal positivism, so don’t believe rights are made in Washington, by the way. I believe the only coherent rights are negative rights, the right to be left alone.

  205. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 14, 2012 - 4:33 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    So where do we go from here?
    How do we win?

  206. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 14, 2012 - 9:13 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I am baffled by the standards used to trigger censorship here. Your post are invariably civil, especially when you disagree with someone, while vile outburst against me for refusing to accept insults to my heritage get through just fine.

    Thanks for making the effort. If you care to circumvent the moderator email me. AliceTeller@hotmail.com

  207. anon's Gravatar anon
    January 14, 2012 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    Jason
    “I’ve heard this stuff before, long ago. Just don’t be surprised if you wake up 30 years from now and the US is still pretty much the same as it is now.”

    Well we’ll see. I don’t think people realise the significance of the dollar losing reserve currency status. I’m expecting something dramatic this year. If not then perhaps i’m wrong and it’ll be a slow slide after all.

    .
    Annabelle
    “So where do we go from here?”

    Anyone who isn’t sure what to do – do this

    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/forum/bugs-swarm/

  208. Bohemianh's Gravatar Bohemianh
    January 14, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Sad However true, a dramatic shift must take place to avert this.

  209. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 14, 2012 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you, I never thought of it that way before. I did, many years ago, live in a suburb of NJ that had many very bright, secular Jews.
    We all were attempting to live out the ideal in those days and we all went out of our way to get along. When the first Orthodax family moved in they went out of their way to be neighborly. After the ritual bathhouse was built, an entire community of Orthodox Jews descended upon us! They fully lived up to every antisemitic stereotype I had ever heard. Including excluding even very young children – quite rudely.
    My four year old son and I, who introduced ourselves to a new neighbor, were firmly told to leave and not come back. Their children were not permitted to play with non-Jews!!!!!

    More to you point, I had automatically attributed the intelligence of the Jews I knew to those I did not, and never gave it a second thought.

  210. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 14, 2012 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle:

    1. All the race realist intellectuals across America and the West need to ally themselves into one organization; the White equivalent of the Frankfurt school. The Kevin MacDonalds, Jared taylors, and J. Phillipe Rushtons need to be part of one single school of thought. They need to network, share info, work out strategies, etc. It’s no use having all these different websites and organizations, each with their own goals and talking points. Division is our weakness.

    2. Appeal to the youth. This is essential. This doesn’t mean making music videos, it means that there should be people dedicated specifically to the interests of White children and White youths. The average 16-year-old doesn’t want to slog through The Bell Curve. There’s a time for hard science but there’s also a time for blunt philosophy. Make it clear to young Whites that their futures are in peril if don’t help out their fellow Whites.

    3. Keep up the mantra. Anti-racist is Anti-white. Catch phrases are devastating; we’ve seen how much damage the lie “diversity is our strength” has done to our countries. The mantra needs to be repeated and repeated until the masses can’t psychologically separate one from the other. When they see, “Tim Wise: Anti-Racist” they will read it as “Tim Wise: Anti-White,” which is the truth.

    In general however, what needs to happen is that a pro-White elite somehow manages to form. If that doesn’t happen then this is all pretty pointless. All societies are formed by, and defined by, their elites.

  211. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 14, 2012 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    I’m with you on this one! We must go back to the days when people prided themselves on being of discriminating tastes, bring back social snobbery, above all, reclaim the right to make fun of anyone who makes fun of us. Ridicule is an incredibly powerful tool and we cede it entirely to them. Well done!

  212. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 14, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink
  213. fender's Gravatar fender
    January 15, 2012 - 2:33 am | Permalink

    Never mind. I take back everything I said. I’ve just read about Amy Biehl and I am now convinced that the White race is literally insane. Warning: don’t read if you’re in a good mood.

    “When 26-year-old Biehl drove a friend home to the township of Guguletu, outside Cape Town, on August 25, 1993, a black mob pelted her car with stones and smashed its windows while shouting racial epithets. Biehl was struck in the head with a brick, then dragged from her car and surrounded by a mob who stoned and stabbed her to death while she begged for her life.[1] Four of Biehl’s murderers were convicted for her killing; however, in 1998, all were pardoned by South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Biehl’s family supported release of the killers, and her father shook the murderers’ hands, stating that

    “ The most important vehicle of reconciliation is open and honest dialogue…we are here to reconcile a human life which was taken without an opportunity for dialogue. When we are finished with this process we must move forward with linked arms.”

    Yes, that’s right. A young White woman was brutally stabbed to death by four black youths, and not only were they pardoned by the government, but the girl’s father **shook the hands** of his daughter’s murderers because “reconciliation” was more important to him than justice.

    Never in my life have I read anything and been so dumbfounded, so utterly disgusted. After reading about Amy Biehl my mouth was literally agape. People, it’s over for our race. There are probably millions of deluded Whites just like Amy’s father out there.

    Seriously, our race is sick. Literally sick, psychologically and spiritually. We have denied nature, denied reality, denied ourselves. This has no historical precedent at all, it’s something completely new. Whites are going to be the first species to go extinct from believing in a moral code.

  214. syme's Gravatar syme
    January 15, 2012 - 8:48 am | Permalink

    Great article. The final paragraph – a radical departure? What could the beliefs and rituals looks like I wonder. The closest successful example seems to be the LDS. What would LDS++ look like?

  215. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 15, 2012 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    It is Christianity, the Perfect Jewish Strategy.

    My friend says that the Aposlte Paul went around killing Christians, but God showed him the light and then after seeing the “Light”, hearing from God, he went around preaching the word and enrolling people into Christianity.

    The reality of what happened: he realized that Christianity is the perfect means to control the brain of large groups of people. The perfect manipulation.

    Zionism movement began in the 1820s, solidfied in the 1870s and is now a world movement. It could not have happened with out the support of the Christians.

    Look at how the Christian Right supports Israel and every war that the Neocons want. Brain control.

    Christians are pawns of the Jews. Christianity is the greatest brainstorm the Jews ever had. It will defeat and bring down the greatest nation that ever existed.

    The New York Times babbles about Christian values and immigration.

  216. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 15, 2012 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle: Madame, if you actually give credence to the rot you recite, you ought to consider reading books where the words outnumber the illustrations.

    The one thing you got absolutely right is that the Times babbles. Its writers and editors, however, are as ignorant of “Christian values” as, alas, they and you are of true Christian teaching and Christian history.

  217. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    January 15, 2012 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle:

    “Christians are pawns of the Jews. Christianity is the greatest brainstorm the Jews ever had”.

    Annabelle absolutely right ?

    That is why Christians may be referred to as “Jews for Jesus”.

  218. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 15, 2012 - 3:32 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Prove me wrong!!!!!!!

  219. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    January 15, 2012 - 4:11 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason Speaks — January 12, 2012 – 12:11 am

    “given the wimpish image most White guys have these days.”
    and
    “With White people today, I think it would be more effective to portray other groups as bigoted and Whites the innocent victims of that bias. ”

    Possibly you don’t include the USA –USA –USA dumbed down redneck sheeple crowd who echoed John McCain’s call to “Bomb– Bomb– Bomb — Iran” ?

    http://taringamp3.com/videos/bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-iran-vid-0p+t0sKa2dGhvNk.html

  220. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    January 15, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    @Neville: Ah yes the “sheeple”. I think we should call them sheeple every chance we get, it is sure to make friends. Because we are mighty Rams, and they are just weak sheep. RAWR!

  221. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 15, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @Neville: well the Catholic Church, the original church was not a pawn of the Jews. The Reformation allowed for Jewish subversion. I recommend again E. Michael Jones’ The Jewish
    Revolutionary Spirit. $48 from Culture Wars, his website. about 1200 pages. Even if he is not completely “right” ….his arguments are certainly worth the time, espec if you are , lilke me, relatively ignorant of Church history. Joe

  222. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    January 15, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Annabelle: My understanding is that Zionism found its first expression in Moses Hess (?) around 1860. Hess was the “red rabbi” around the time of Karl Marx, and was a friend (also as I recall).
    Hess was a red (not a commie). Then the real thing got started at the turn of the century with Herzl and a couple zionist congresses in the late 1890s.
    The general excuse is the Dreyfuss Affair, and Russian pogroms. However, nationalism was in the air everywhere in Europe. Also, socialism and zionism were the “natural” impulses of jews, as well as Whites in Europe…whites of course interested in nationalism.

    All of this is adequately if not completely summed up at wikipedia.

  223. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    January 16, 2012 - 3:34 am | Permalink

    @Annabelle: Thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend the rest of my life in the thankless and probably fruitless task of trying to instruct you, a typical product of America’s self-esteem factories, in the rudiments of heuristics and hermeneutics. I’ll pass, however.

  224. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    January 16, 2012 - 7:25 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Sorry Jason would the “the intelligence challenged” be more acceptable to you ?

    And we are not the mighty Rams but “teachers” —

    Helpers getting the truth out to a world short on information.

  225. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 16, 2012 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Any excuse is as good as another excuse. It is just an excuse.

  226. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 16, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    If you have read Saul Alinskys ” Rules for Radicals”, you know that everything is a strategy, every reason is a strategy, every excuse is a strategy. Strategies have been perfected by our Jewish Brothers.

    I stand by what I say, Christianity is the perfect Jewish strategy for controlling the masses.

    Another strategy Fox’s Fair and Balanced News. Rediculous, news must not be fair and balanced, it is what it is.

    Another strategy: All the conservative news and talk shows exist for no other reason than controlling and steering whites, their beliefs and keeping them in line not acturally accomplishing anything productive.

  227. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    January 16, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    @Annabelle:
    May I suggest that Jews have over thousands of years perfected the art of of exploiting weaknesses. Christianity certainly has them. It has also given Europe a great culture, beautiful music, astonishing art, the highest status for women in the history of the world and much more.
    It is certainly good to examine everything that has led us to this sorry state, but we gain nothing by hating ourselves, our history and culture. Divide and conquer is their primary technique. Resist!

  228. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    January 16, 2012 - 2:13 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I would love to have a Jewish neighbor who would not permit their kids to play with non-Jews. It would make for great propaganda opportunites! I would make sure the black thugs (the few that there are, of course) heard about it.

  229. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    January 16, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    one does not negate the other.
    Currently, religion is being used as a factor to allow immigration, legal and illegal.

  230. Luca's Gravatar Luca
    January 16, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Anglo Saxon, obrigado! Well, let’s agree your description would be reasonably accurate for a Brazil 200 years or more ago. As for the Italians, you can have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_people
    As for Lebanon, more people of Lebanese ancestry down here than in Lebanon, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_people
    As for the Jews I overlooked them only because, numerically speaking, they are not nearly as numerous as other ethnic groups. Still, Brazil is third(in number of joos) tied with Canada for the Americas if I remember correctly. Interestingly, even though their numbers are relatively few, they are very influential and are over-represented in the usual fields, such as the financial sector(second top Brazilian billionaires are Jewish banksters, the Safra brothers), the media – people such as the Civitas and the Sirotskys own some of the most important media outlets in the country – , law, etc. No wonder media coverage in Brazil is so biased in favor of the joos regarding the Mid East conflicts. As for blacks, the official figure is 7.6% but you must remember that while mulattoes such as Obama are considered black in the US(no mix race category exists) in Brazil people like him are in the numerous Brown category(43% of the whole). The brown includes many people who do not have black ancestry but recent genetic studies show that black African is the second most important element in this group after the European. In colonial Brazil life expectancy for slaves was very low and often the slave owners had more access to black female slaves than did the black males.
    Best regards!

  231. Neville's Gravatar Neville
    January 16, 2012 - 8:30 pm | Permalink

    @Joe Webb:

    Joe Webb —January 15, 2012 – 10:49 pm

    Neville: well the Catholic Church, the original church was not a pawn of the Jews.

    Joe Webb –and where please did I say that ?

    I don’t wish to rehash history but suffice it to say that from its beginning the Catholic Church by accepting Jewish scriptures as in the “Old Testament” handed Jews their confirmation as the “Chosen People” favored by their common God or “Sky Wizard”.

    The God or “Sky Wizard” was a Jewish one before the Christians arrived on the scene to stake their claim to it and acceptance of this Jewish version entailed a certain subservience.

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

    http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/johnson.htm

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