Armageddon Approaches

Dr. Lasha Darkmoon


“An Israeli attack on Iran would create a disaster.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

“The entire lake will become a killing field…the Gulf will run red with American blood.” — Military specialist Mark Gaffney.

Bombing Iran could be the final nail in the coffin of America—a decaying and morally bankrupt superpower where torture has been normalized and where the President is now free to kill anyone he chooses, anywhere in the world, who he happens to suspect is a terrorist.

Right now, Iran appears to be the object of universal detestation, at least among those who control the mainstream media and who are anxious to persuade the easily duped masses that Iran is a major threat to civilization.

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Iran is perfectly capable of shutting down the Strait of Hormuz if it wishes, doing immense damage to the US navy in the process. It possesses a vast array of anti-ship weapons called Sunburn missiles, which it has procured from Russia and China over the last decade. These are state-of-the-art weapons developed by the Russians as a low-cost challenge to the expensive, tech-heavy weaponry of the US. Specifically, they are designed to sink ships, including America’s titanic aircraft carriers.

The imminent conflict, which now belongs in the high probability spectrum, is a conflict into which Russia and China cannot fail to be drawn. Their interests are inextricably linked with those of Iran. You could say that Iran is their semi-independent protectorate and ally.

If Iran were attacked and if Russia and China stood by and did nothing, they would lose face forever. They would be signaling to the world that they are weaklings, only too ready to cower at the feet of the American superbully. Indeed, they would then be next on America’s hit list.

Russia has a new 100-ton monster of a ballistic missile in the pipeline. It is aptly named Satan. And it will be used to devastating effect against America if America gets too big for its boots and gets overly aggressive.

Chinese Major General Zhang Zhaozhong recently stated that if America or Israel attacked Iran, “China will not hesitate to protect Iran—even with a third world war.”

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A few points need to be clarified.

The US Navy is an efficient and professional organization, at the cutting edge of modern warfare, but the Strait of Hormuz is not the kind of environment in which the American navy would be invulnerable.

The Iranians can be expected to have a field day in the narrow confines of the Persian Gulf, virtually drawing American ships into a series of ambushes.

If one samples the technical literature on various military websites, one finds there is a lively debate going on about American ship defense systems. Nobody claims that any such system offers full protection against ship missile strikes. Right now, most ships remain vulnerable to such strikes, including America’s leviathan aircraft carriers.

These impressive Nimitz-class aircraft carriers each come with a full complement of 7–8 supporting ships, 70 or more assorted aircraft, and up to 6000 marines on board. In a 2004 article, military specialist Mark Gaffney, author of Dimona: The Third Temple? (1989), opines:  “The US Navy’s largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps….In the Gulf’s shallow and confined waters evasive maneuvers will be difficult, at best, and escape impossible….The Gulf will run red with American blood.”

As for oil tankers, these are even more vulnerable than aircraft carriers. If attacked, these will sink easily, clogging up vital sea lanes and doing immense environmental damage to the entire Persian Gulf region.

It is of interest to note that the US is busy working on a new generation of laser defense to counter the sophisticated  anti-ship missiles possessed by Iran. However, these are still in process of development. This gives Iran a relative advantage if it is attacked now rather than later. Ironically, the longer America and Israel delay in attacking Iran, the better their chances of successfully countering the retaliatory measures they can expect from Iran.

Both America and Israel are unfortunately just not ready to wage the type of warfare they prefer to wage and at which they so excel: shooting fish in a barrel.

Unlike Iraq, which the warmonger neoconservatives told us would be a  “cakewalk—easily conquered in six weeks—Iran is unlikely to offer its American and Israeli antagonists easy opportunities to indulge in their fish-in-a-barrel fantasies.

Our courageous remote control warriors, hunched over their keyboards far from the din of battle, may be able to rain down death and destruction on innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, meanwhile salving their consciences by calling their victims “terrorists”, but there is nothing they can do with their drones to stop Iran’s deadly missiles from blowing up American aircraft carriers or sinking oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.

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The Sunburn is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world (see also here), designed to fly as low as nine feet above groundwater level and at more than 1,500 miles per hour. The missile uses a jerky pop-up maneuver for its terminal approach. This enables it in effect to dodge, or jump out of the way, of the Phalanx and other anti-missile defense systems: in short, to hit its target bang-on without being intercepted en route.

Given their low cost, these ship missiles are perfectly suited for close quarter naval conflict in the pond like environment of the Persian Gulf.

The Sunburn is versatile and easy to use. It can be fired from practically any platform, including the back of a flatbed truck. It has a 100-mile range, which is all that is necessary in the narrow Persian Gulf, with its 40-mile width round the Strait of Hormuz.

Fired from shore, the Sunburn will punch a room-sized hole through  any ship in the Strait of Hormuz in a fraction of a second.

These missiles therefore present a serious threat to the US Navy. Their power to inflict horrendous damage on hostile intruders simply cannot be exaggerated.

Developed by the Russians, and made fully available to China and Iran, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, a supersonic anti-ship missile, has been described as the most lethal missile in the world today.” (See also here for other anti-ship missiles designed, built, or operated by Iran. See here for a discussion of anti-ship missiles and US capability to defend against them.)

Compared to the Exocet, the Sunburn is a much larger and faster missile. It possesses a far greater range. Its guidance system is spot-on. The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload (a 750-pound conventional warhead) within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. It seems the missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system.

The Sunburn’s astonishing accuracy was demonstrated recently in a live test staged at sea by the Chinese and observed by US spy planes. Not only did the Sunburn missile destroy the dummy target ship, it scored a perfect bull’s eye. It succeeded in hitting the crosshairs of a large “X” mounted on the ship’s bridge.

Unlike America’s drones, the Sunburn is not in the business of creating “collateral damage.” It does not kill innocent civilians by the score. It kills only the enemy.

In a 2004 article, Mark Gaffney writes:

US ships in the Gulf will already have come within range of the Sunburn missiles and the even more advanced SS-NX-26 Yakhont missiles, also Russian-made (speed: Mach 2.9; range: 180 miles) deployed by the Iranians along the Gulf’s northern shore. Every US ship will be exposed and vulnerable. When the Iranians spring the trap, the entire lake will become a killing field.

The Sunburn’s payload hit, with its 750-pound conventional warhead, is apparently insufficient to sink an aircraft carrier, but it is enough to sink most other ships and their crews. So it is generally opined in the technical literature.

No conclusive studies, however, have been carried out to determine the effect of a swarm of missiles attacking an aircraft carrier simultaneously. Perhaps there is no need for such a study. Common sense will tell you that a swarm of killer bees is much more dangerous than a single bee. One bee you can easily swat; a swarm of bees you cannot.

An astute observer of the military situation has offered this comment:

Aegis and RAM systems do not stop Sunburn missiles. Those systems were designed to stop subsonic not supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. Even then they were unsuccessful in stopping an Iraqi (subsonic) Exocet when it struck the American warship Stark during the Iran-Iraq war.

Supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles travel faster than a rifle bullet and it would take no more than three of them to sink an aircraft carrier. In fact, any surface ship is a floating coffin.

If anyone out there knows of a technology that can stop a rifle bullet in full flight, please let me know what it is.

“You don’t have to be Hannibal preparing for the Battle of Cannae,” military observer Russ Winter writes, “to see that the Strait is a potential “shooting gallery”.

The Strait of Hormuz is in fact an ideal ambush location for large and cumbersome ships that offer such easy targets you would have to be blind to miss them.

 

Without a doubt, the Iranians have marked out every firing spot along the Persian Gulf coast. Locating these hiding holes with low-flying attack helicopters will not be easy. Helicopters can be shot down.

Equally impressive is Iran’s missile range: 1500 miles and growing.  Hostile Bahrain and Qatar can easily be hit by the longer-range versions of the Sunburn or Onyx. So can the Saudi oilfields.

Indeed Israel itself, though further away, could suddenly find itself under a shower of deadly missiles, not only from distant Iran, but from Hezbollah just across the Lebanese border.

“This is going to be the Big One,” says Justin Raimondo, “a war that will make the invasion of Iraq look like a dress rehearsal for Armageddon.”

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It is commonly acknowledged that Israel cannot go it alone in fighting Iran. To wage a successful war against Iran, Israel needs American help. Israel would naturally prefer America to do its dirty work for it.

Should Israel act alone, it would face the extraordinary problem of needing to refuel its bombers en route to targets about 1,000 miles away and refueling them again on the way back.

It has been suggested that the United States should provide Israel with three KC-135 refueling tankers. Some of these Israeli supporters in America claim they do not themselves advocate an Israeli attack on Iran, but they are kindly disposed to Israel and wish to see it supplied with tankers that would “extend the effective range of Israeli aircraft” and “improve Israeli credibility.” (See here)

Israel has of course achieved a modest success in destroying the nuclear facilities of two other relatively primitive countries in the region: Iraq and Syria. These two past Israeli successes are not overly impressive. As achievements, they are small beer. That is, compared to the massive challenges Israel would have to face in Iran.

When Israel destroyed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in June 1981, it was one ground-level building it destroyed. That simple operation required 14 Israeli aircraft. Israel’s other success, demolishing a partially constructed Syrian facility in September 2007, involved targeting a rudimentary warehouse-like structure built on a single floor—an exceptionally easy ground-level target.

The potential targets in Iran are not only far more numerous: they are widely dispersed and buried deep underground. Many of them are probably secret facilities whose very existence is unknown.

There is the fuel-enrichment plant at Natanz, a collection of below-ground facilities used to produce enriched uranium. Then there is the newer Fordow fuel-enrichment plant near Qom, built into the side of a mountain and buried deep underground under several layers of reinforced concrete. It is generally acknowledged that to crack open Fordow, and destroy its alleged nuclear weaponry, would be a task beyond Israel’s modest capacity. At a pinch, America could do it, maybe; but certainly not Israel acting on its own.

There are two other Iranian nuclear sites Israel would need to attack: the heavy-water reactor at Arak and the yellowcake-conversion plant at Isfahan.

There are three possible routes to Iran: north over Turkey, south over Saudi Arabia, or a central route across Jordan and Iraq. The US, having officially withdrawn from Iraq in December, is no longer under obligation to defend Iraqi skies from Israeli planes. The Iraqis themselves are of course unable to do so.  (See here.)

The recent Robb-Wald Report tells us that Israel has enough GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs to “severely damage, though likely not completely destroy, Iran’s known underground nuclear sites in a single well-executed operation.”

Perhaps even this is no more than wishful thinking. Note the loaded phrase: “known underground nuclear sites.” Best not to mention the unknown ones.

To achieve victory in Iran, Israel would be stretched to the limit. It would have to deploy several B-2 stealth and B-52 bombers, fighter-bombers and helicopters, along with ship-launched cruise missiles. It would not only  need to take out Iran’s underground nuclear facilities—an impossible task—but it would have to destroy Iran’s communications systems, air defense and missile sites, Revolutionary Guard Corps living quarters, munitions storage depots, airfields, and ship and port facilities—not to mention missile boats, minelayers and midget submarines.

Given that Israel, for all its vaunted might, was unable to defeat valiant little Hezbollah in 20o6, the chances of it stealing an easy victory from Iran would seem to belong in the realms of fantasy.

Not all Americans are in favor of aiding and abetting Israel in yet another rampage of wanton destruction—not after the crimes of Gaza which have left an indelible stain on Israel’s already dubious reputation.

Destroying Iran’s infrastructure may make sense to some callous Americans, but to many others it would seem a cruel and vicious enterprise. To poison a population of 74 million people, most of them women and children, with tons of depleted uranium, while putting thousands of other innocents into wheelchairs, is not an achievement likely to bring honor or prestige to Israel.

Not all of us have forgotten the lessons of history. We are cognizant of the fact that Iran has not started a war for 30o years. That it simply wishes to be left alone. And that it is Israel, rather than Iran, that seems to suffer from a serious pathological problem—a “collective madness”—with more than enough blood on its hands.

Speaking on behalf of Israel’s countless critics, one political pundit writes:

The US cannot eradicate the Iran regime. It cannot bring Iran under its control, that is, not without creating a disaster for itself and the entire world….Doing that entails huge costs and risks to the US, all the countries in that region, and the many other countries that would be affected by it, including Russia, China, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan….Right now, Obama must stop Israel from attacking Iran. (Emphasis in original). He must do so in the strongest ways available to him, like denying airspace to Israel for refueling its bombers. … The US [should] prevent Israel…from flying over Iraq and refueling.

Sound advice, it seems to me. Why support Israel? Cui bono? Iran has much more to offer America than Israel does.

Iran has oil in abundance, Israel has none. Iran does not hold America’s political class to ransom. Iran does not try to browbeat successive American administrations into putting Iranian interests before American ones. Iran’s dual citizens do not spy on America or sell American military secrets to Russia and China—there are no Iranian Rosenbergs or Jonathan Pollards. Iran does not coerce Americans into fighting and dying for it in foreign wars. Iran does not expect $3 billion a year in handouts, and even more in loan guarantees that never get repaid.

Iran would be a far greater asset to America than Israel could ever be. Israel is a liability and a burden.

More fool America for cuddling up to a “friend” who has stabbed it in the back in the past—the Lavon affair, the USS Liberty incident, the Jonathan Pollard betrayal—and is more than likely to stab it in the back again at some time in the foreseeable future.

Dump Israel. That’s my advice. Before Israel sets the world on fire, taking America with it.

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Obama has in recent months begun to make it clear to Israel that the United States would not get involved in a war started by Benjamin Netanyahu without preliminary US approval.

Indeed, on January 20, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, informed Netanyahu that the US would not defend Israel if it launched an attack on Iran that had not been coordinated in advance with the US.

In May 2008, Netanyahu’s predecessor, Ehud Olmert, had requested the approval of George W Bush for an air attack on Iran. To his credit, Bush had refused to countenance any such move.

Netanyahu has since defied the US administration by refusing to assure Washington that he would consult them before making a decision to attack Iran.

Other US officials have apparently made it clear to Netanyahu that the US, unless fully consulted, would refuse to come to Israel’s aid in the event of Israel declaring war on Iran unilaterally.

If Israel did that, it would be on its own.

It would be a mistake for Israel to assume that America is under obligation to protect it from the consequences of its own folly. (For more details, see here.)

Writing in the Huffington Post, political commentator MJ Rosenberg advances the audacious theory that Israel has no wish to go to war right now, but is more interested in flexing its muscles and playing cat-and-mouse games with America. It wants to show everyone that Israel is now the Cat and America the Mouse: “Netanyahu and his camp followers do not really want a war now. They just want it understood that they can dictate whether there is one or not. And when. In other words, they want to show who is boss.”

It’s time for a showdown.

The capital of America needs to be moved back to Washington. Tel Aviv is too far away.

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When Zbigniew Brzezinski says, “An Israeli attack on Iran would create a disaster”, he must be taken seriously.  

An old hand, and an expert on Russia, Brzezinski is the acclaimed author of The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. One cannot help wondering what Brzezinski thinks of the controversial statement  made by Leonid Ivashov, former member of the Russian Joint Chiefs of Staff, which aired on Russia Today TV on February 1, 2012:

Russia does not want any military operations to be waged against Iran or Syria. These two countries are allies, and both are considered guaranteed partners of Russia. A strike against Syria or Iran is an indirect strike against Russia and its interests.

Later he adds, significantly, striking a chord with people like me who believe that America is now a crypto-fascist state masquerading as a democracy:

Everybody should acknowledge that Fascism is making great strides on our planet. What they did in Libya is nearly identical to what Hitler and his armies did against Poland and then Russia. Today, therefore, Russia is defending the entire world from Fascism.

No need to ask who the New Fascists are.

Just turn on your television sets and you will see their smiling faces, telling you how much they love and cherish you—as long as you vote for them—and as long as you die for them in foreign wars for the aggrandizement of Israel.

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It certainly needs to be asked: How much longer will America continue to fight Israel’s wars? What hold does Israel have over America? Is America prepared to sustain immense damage to its vital interests on behalf of an unstable and insolent ally that remains, if numerous polls are to be believed, the world’s most hated nation?

There are some indications that not all American operatives, especially in the armed forces and the CIA, are overly impressed with Israel’s increasingly irresponsible behavior. A significant rift in the friendship appears to be developing, a rift that will hopefully grow in time as America finally comes to its senses.

Relations could once again reach rockbottom, as when former US Secretary of State James Baker uttered his infamous remark about Israel’s Jewish American supporters: “Fuck the Jews, they don’t even vote for us.”

Former Centcom chief and retired Gen. Joe Hoar recently complained of a certain shady Israeli operation involving the terrorist group Jundullah, in which Mossad thugs had the impudence to masquerade as CIA agents: “Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not.”

Israel's Covert War against Iran

The tension between longsuffering Iran and an insufferable Israel, goading it to frenzy, is now at fever pitch.

Here is part of an interview between journalist Eleanor Hall and Iran specialist Geneive Abdo who is director of the Iran program at the National Security Network in Washington. I have compressed drastically in the interests of economy, but the full version can be read here:

ELEANOR HALL: Iran’s leadership says it’s sheer lies that it’s behind the [recent] attacks [on Iranian embassies in India and elsewhere] and that the Israelis have planted the bombs themselves to discredit Iran?

GENEIVE ABDO: Well I think that’s entirely possible. I mean, if you consider what the Israelis did for many years in Lebanon and other parts of the Middle East, that theory is not so farfetched.

ELEANOR HALL: How incendiary is the relationship between Iran and Israel right now? Are we looking at an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities…?

GENEIVE ABDO: I think it’s certainly a decision Israel is taking very seriously.

ELEANOR HALL: So how dangerous do you think the situation is right now?

GENEIVE ABDO: I think it’s very dangerous. Far more dangerous than any escalation tension we’ve seen in 30 years.

ELEANOR HALL: So, how dangerous could it become if the Israelis do strike?

GENEIVE ABDO: It’s an extremely dangerous situation. The Iranians will not take this lightly, and they will use all the resources at their disposal to attack. They will cause chaos in the region, because their whole survival is on the line….You know, they could launch attacks on Latin America. They’ve even said that they would launch attacks on American soil. They will send missiles to Tel Aviv….If you consider what the Israelis have done in Lebanon…I don’t think that gives us much hope…

If Israel decides to launch an all-out attack on Iran, we can be sure of one thing: the towers of Tel Aviv will come toppling down. Not necessarily now, but one day in the distant future, when it is decided that vengeance is a dish best served cold.

The nuclear complex at Dimona could well be destroyed—if not now, later on, in the fullness of time—making Israel an uninhabitable wasteland.

Given its miniscule size, Israel could be destroyed in a single day, if not by Iran, then almost certainly by Russia or China.

Only a week ago, Alireza Forghani, head of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s strategic team, was quoted as saying: “It would only take nine minutes to wipe out Israel.”

No one seriously expects to see the annihilation of Israel right now, but Israel will have to take the consequences of its actions one day.

Israel will reap what it sows as Armageddon approaches.

The clock is ticking…

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Dr Lasha Darkmoon (email her) is an academic with higher degrees in Classics. She is also a poet and translator. Her articles can be sampled here, her poems here.

 

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626 Comments to "Armageddon Approaches"

  1. Geoffrey Franklin of the Finn clan's Gravatar Geoffrey Franklin of the Finn clan
    March 20, 2012 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    @De Profundis: Only an ignorant fool would write such nonsense.

  2. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 15, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    @Moderator: My last comment has been in moderation for almost a full day. Since it contains nothing that a reasonable man could describe as objectionable, I hope that you will agree that the delay is excessive. Please consider releasing it soon.

    • March 28, 2012 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

      I am sorry but the comments on older articles are not moderated. I don’t know why your comments continue to require moderation.

  3. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 14, 2012 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: Thank you for the flattering citation of my mutterings past, Dr. Darkmoon. Thank you, too, for this article. It’s a pity that it nearly got overwhelmed by a mudslide of largely irrelevant and reptilian commentary.

    Pax tibi.

  4. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 14, 2012 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Pierre,

    If you are a disillusioned Roman Catholic who longs for a return to pre-Vatican II values — the Church of Belloc and Chesterton—then we are kindred spirits.

    There is no need then to ask me to “reconsider” my views on Opus Dei, for the simple reason that I have no firm views on that subject. Remember I have already confessed that I am “an Opus Dei ignoramus”, having read only one book on the subject.

    This particular book was pro-Opus Dei and made no mention of Opus Dei being in league with Big Jewry. It therefore came as a surprise to me to hear that there was an alleged link between Opus Dei and Zionism.

    I did however say: “If ever I learned that Opus Dei was in bed with the Jews, I would be extremely disappointed and disillusioned with Opus Dei.”

    * * *

    I agree with you absolutely that the world has been hoodwinked and “Stepfordized”, as you point out so eloquently here:

    Once a man allows himself to believe, to truly believe, that Stephen Spielberg or Andres Serrano or Annie Sprinkle or Jerry Seinfeld or Lucian Freud or Beyoncé is an artist, not only has he succumbed to foolish thinking, but he has crossed a line that he may find it difficult or even impossible to recross before his inner life gets utterly Stepfordized.

    Catholics, I believe, have allowed themselves to be Stepfordized by Vatican II and the decadent Jewish values promulgated by the Frankfurt School.

    Above all, they have allowed themselves to be seduced by the sexual permissiveness and feminist slut culture of the age that our Jewish-owned media has managed to make mainstream and even de rigueur.

    I can barely open a newspaper or magazine today without having my eyes bombarded by porno chic.

  5. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    March 13, 2012 - 6:18 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: Please reconsider the wisdom of backing down so quickly from your expressions of misgiving and skepticism regarding Opus Dei and literally every other excrescence of the Newcatholic religion, a false faith that was newbaptized at the Second Vatican Council, which convened precisely fifty years ago (I say “newbaptized” because this false religion had already been born and was well into its youthful vigor at the time that Pope Saint Pius X formally condemned it in the encyclical letter Pascendi more than a century ago). Nor should you permit commenters acting as apologists for NewRome, whether the one called Anty Ep or anyone else, to persuade you that the “antics” of Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI—antics by no means limited to multiple apologies and obeisances to the Jews, as shocking and scandalous and un-Catholic as those apologies were and are—are mere “jive” or are otherwise incidental and hence understandable and pardonable instances of “foolishness.” On the contrary, their behavior—in common with the “liturgical excesses” also mentioned and the attempts by the present pope and his predecessor to create an entirely new roster of canonized-while-you-wait saints to replace the nineteen centuries’ worth of true saints unacceptable to the Jews—is central and intrinsic to the new false faith, which is rooted in active Judaic-Masonic subversion, a conscious scheme whose execution began many centuries earlier.

    The season of Lent has now half run its course. The utterly un-Catholic nature of the institutions calling themselves Catholic ought to be evident to anyone who looks even glancingly at what Newchurch, in its Tribally imitative celebration of itself, has done to this season, which for nineteen hundred years was the True Church’s reification of the Lord’s ceaseless injunctions to prayer, penance, remorse, and reparation. The Newchurch’s observance of Lent is like its religious opposition to the falsity and evil of Judaism: it has been so hollowed out as to be transparent. Any fool can see through it.

    The long and the short of it is that Opus Dei is one more pretence of a institution betrayed from within to its eternal enemies. It serves the present-day world and those that own it. Recall, too, that in faith, unlike politics, there is no “third way”: either Saint John Chrysostom and several hundred popes, bishops, and doctors of the Church were correct, or Anty Ep is.

  6. Winterlight's Gravatar Winterlight
    March 10, 2012 - 6:36 am | Permalink

    Listening to Obamas’s speech to AIPAC on March 4, 2012, I was saddened at the degrading spectacle of an American president groveling at the feet of Big Jewry.

    Speaking of Iran, he said he was against Iran because the Iranians (more specifically, the Iranian government) denied the Holocaust.

    He more or less implied that any country where the traditional account of the Holocaust was called into question deserved to be bombed to bits.

  7. March 8, 2012 - 7:39 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    Hadding Scott has just written a lengthy 2-part article. You will notice that Lasha has kept away from it. Not a single comment. A more malicious and vindictive woman would have given Hadding Scott a taste of his own medicine.

    Criticism is par for the course. Feel free.

  8. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 8, 2012 - 6:46 pm | Permalink

    @ Pierre de Craon
    March 7, 2012 – 6:36 am | Permalink

    The fact that anyone would continue to howl about how dreadful Jason Speaks is after enduring patiently, even in some cases applauding, the countless ignorant, interminable, pretentious, and frequently abusive comments of Hadding Scott on the recent Lasha Darkmoon thread speaks volumes about some denizens of this site—and none of what it speaks is edifying…”

    Pierre,

    I am not sure everyone would agree with you here. Certainly not Hadding Scott and his small clique of ardent admirers. But I would like to say that I, having read those vicious and defamatory comments of Hadding Scott and wept bitterly over them, have come to the following conclusions:

    1. Incensed at Lasha Darkmoon’s relative success and populist appeal, Hadding Scott has clearly been waging a personal vendetta against Lasha in an obvious attempt to drive her from this website. Having ceased to attack Lasha her on this website temporarily, possibly because he has been warned by Kevin MacDonald to stop harassing her, he nevertheless continues his vendetta on other websites. See here:

    http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=139146#3

    (2) Lasha has made it clear that she does not want this man to place ANY COMMENTS WHATEVER ON ANY OF HER FUTURE ARTICLES. This is because she regards the man as a serial abuser and systematic harasser: indeed, as no better than an internet stalker. Lasha has in turn undertaken never to post a comment on any of Hadding Scott’s articles. (She has no wish to do so anyway).

    (3) Hadding Scott has just written a lengthy 2-part article. You will notice that Lasha has kept away from it. Not a single comment. A more malicious and vindictive woman would have given Hadding Scott a taste of his own medicine. She would have torn his essay apart, poured scorn over it, and abused him personally as he had abused her. Lasha did no such thing. She refrained from seeking revenge. She exercised a commendable restraint. She didn’t even read his article.

    (4) It’s my own belief that Hadding Scott, being a compulsive poster, will be unable to refrain from commenting on my sister’s future articles. The same attacks will probably continue in a subtler form: little digs, malicious nitpickings, sarcasm. The mere presence of this man on any future Darkmoon thread will encourage his wolfpack to move in for the kill again. Sensing easy meat in my vulnerable sister, they will do their best to sink their venomous fangs into her again.

    (5) If this ritual abuse of my sister should continue, I believe she will leave this site and take her articles elsewhere. And she will be justified in doing so. If this site is incapable of giving its writers a congenial atmosphere in which to work, it does not deserve to keep its writers. Obviously the Occidental Observer can survive without Lasha Darkmoon, but it is equally true that Lasha Darkmoon can survive without the Occidental Observer.

    (6) My final word: I advise my sister to leave this site AT ONCE if this vile bunch of compulsive masturbators who have taken control over it are allowed to run amok again and treat her as their punching bag and spitting bowl.

  9. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 7, 2012 - 10:05 am | Permalink

    Lasha – sorry I only just got around to wading through all the comments looking for responses.

    I just want to mention thank you for your answers to my questions, which I have now read with interest.

    .

  10. Rense Supporter's Gravatar Rense Supporter
    March 6, 2012 - 9:04 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Concerning rense.com

    JASON SPEAKS TO HADDING SCOTT: You allowed yourself to be suckered into attacking me by a person who peddles Rense level conspiracy theories

    The person you refer to who “peddles Rense level conspiracy theories” is obviously the author of this piece, Dr Lasha Darkmoon: one who rejects the mainstream view of 9/11 and refuses to regard the Protocols as a “worthless forgery”.

    You appear to think that Darkmoon is bringing the Occidental Observer into disrepute by “peddling Rense level conspiracy theories” and for having all her articles linked on rense.com.

    Let me give you a few facts:

    1. The present article you and other posters here have attacked so relentlessly—to the point of serious defamation of its author — has advanced NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

    2. This article has now attracted a record number of comments — currently 635 — and it is has been attacked precisely because it is controversial and wound people in some way. Bad articles don’t get a record number of comments.

    3. “Armageddon Approaches” has not only been linked on rense.com, the world’s premier anti-Zionist site which you slag off so disdainfully, it has appeared also on dozens of other important sites where it has received the warmest praise.

    4. Those of you who resent Darkmoon and have grave reservations about her credentials, largely because she is an entertaining and populist writer with a penchant for sensationalism, have failed to appreciate that it’s only because her article was linked on Rense that the Occidental Observer must have received a huge spike in page views.

    An enormous influx of new readers must have come to TOO from Rense. I’d say at least that 80-90% of the heavy traffic TOO has been receiving for Armageddon Approaches has come directly from Rense. No other anti-Zionist website can compare with Rense for variety, energy and sheer mass appeal.

    Your suggestion that the Occidental Observer is too good for Rense and should disassociate itself from “Rensey conspiracy theories” is a sure prescription for marginalization and minority appeal.

  11. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 6, 2012 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    @ Jens (continued)

    Believe me, neither Lasha nor I WANT to wash all our linen in public…but if people INSIST on asking us personal questions and making personal comments, we usually respond by giving personal details. This does not in any way compromise Lasha’s anonymity, since the deatils we give cannot possibly lead to identification.

    I think the following Comments, copypasted from our website, should convince even the most hardened skeptics that Lasha and I are who we say we are: two young women who happen to be sisters.

    Unless of course retired USA airforce veteran Mahmoud El-Yousseph and Italian writer/artist/translator Isabella Fanfani are ALSO figments of Lasha’s fertile imagination!!! :)

    Online exchange between retired USA airforce veteran Mahmoud El-Yousseph and Lucy Skipping (me)

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    January 29, 2012 at 4:37 am

    This is to wish Lasha and her sister Lucy a quick and speedy recovery. I met those two sisters three years ago. I have to admit, they are smart, passionate and unforgettable!

    [Reply]

    Lucy Skipping says:
    January 29, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Thanks, Mahmoud. Your kind words are much appreciated. I’m doing fine now, but Lasha is feeling pretty bad. She’s been in the wars and is still in a great deal of pain.

    It will take at least a month before she’s back to normal … working out at the gym and going for long walks by the sea again, which she loves doing.

    Yeah, I remember the night we met. At Luigi’s. That was the night Lasha had one glass too many and put salt in her coffee!

    Bye for now!

    Lucy

    Online exchange between Italian writer/artist/translator
    Isabella Fanfani and Lucy Skipping (me)

    Isabella Fanfani says:
    December 9, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Grazie mille for these comments, everyone! Yes, a big thank you! I have learned much from reading them. And I wish to say an especial big “Thank you” to my old friend Lasha Darkmoon (what a fine pen name she has chosen!) for all the background assistance she has given me in preparing this article. Lasha chose all the pictures and encouraged me to edit “The Sea of Blood”. Yes, she brought this important document to my attention. I advise all readers to go to original source and read.

    Cara Lasha, ciao! Kindest greetings from Florence! I remember so well the happy days we spent together in 2002 at the Academy. I am so sorry you felt the need to give up painting after all those years of hard struggle in Paris and elsewhere. Anyway, you must come to visit us again soon. Your favourite room is waiting! Also bring little sister if you wish, she is always welcome…

    Ciao bella!

    I.F.

    [REPLY]

    Lucy Skipping says:
    December 9, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Ciao Isabella! Hope you are well. Lasha cannot write just now. She’s in bed on painkillers. She fell off a horse this morning, silly thing! Not for the first time either. I’m trying to persuade her to give up riding, but she just won’t listen and chooses all the wildest mustangs! Bye for now. L

    [Later]

    Lucy Skipping says:
    December 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I’m sure Lasha will be delighted to accept your invitation to Florence. We’re both free in July. Thanks for inviting me along also. I will definitely come, if only to keep an eye on my accident-prone sister!

    See COMMENTS HERE:

    http://www.darkmoon.me/2011/crimes-of-the-bolsheviks-edited-by-isabella-fanfani/

  12. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 6, 2012 - 9:09 am | Permalink

    @ Jens (continued)

    Interestingly enough, it was fatigue and carelessness that made Lasha commit a huge howler on this site a few days ago: in copypasting a short email from Kevin MacDonald to her in the ‘Comments’ above, Lasha forgot to delete her REAL NAME.

    So Lasha’s real name, which Kevin MacDonald knows, has now been accidentally revealed to readers here. (I won’t tell you where the slipup occurred…but it’s there if you look for it, buried in the mound of 600-plus comments).

    Lasha herself spotted the error only a day later, but the cat was already out of the bag and so she decided to take no action — even though a friendly correspondent wrote to her privately tipping her off to her mistake. Here is the email exchange, copypasted from our family computer:

    From: TS [mailto:EMAIL ADDRESS SUPPRESSED]
    Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:38 AM
    To: darkmoon@darkmoon.me
    Subject: Armagedden article

    In one of your responses you cut and pasted a letter from Kevin in which he addressed you as XXX. You might consider editing that before someone notices. A Friend

    [LASHA’S REPLY]

    Many thanks. I noticed that myself, but I can’t edit it out as I have no access to the editing facility. I’ll keep my fingers crossed no one noticed this little slipup of mine apart from yourself! Even if someone wanted to make use of it, I don’t think I’ve given them all that much ammunition. XXX is fortunately a pretty common name. Kind regards, LD

  13. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 6, 2012 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    Jens @ March 5, 2012 – 10:10 pm

    @Lucy Skipping:
    “Lasha expressed myself sloppily, that’s all”.

    Priceless.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Touche! Priceless indeed. You’ve skewered us there, Jens, proving beyond all doubt that “Lasha Darkmoon” doesn’t exist but is just a sockpuppet of Lucy Skipping, her alleged sister! ☺

    Sigh. This is what happens when one is tired and is fielding 600-plus comments.

    Even if the above slipup, or example of sloppiness, or tired typo, or “Freudian slip” if you prefer, revealed beyond all doubt that Lasha and I are the SAME person, what would it matter? It’s the articles that matter, not the article writer. And Lasha has always been hugely popular, linked on Rense and on other major websites, and it seems to me that this counts for far more than the irrelevant question as to who exactly is hiding behind her name.

    An interesting question for some, I guess, but not really relevant to the major issues being discussed.

    As far as I know, the use of personas is not a crime. Anonymous writers frequently write under several pen names. Lasha herself has written published articles for the internet under three separate pseudonyms, all of them female. Not many articles: just three.

    As I say, when you’re tired and have had a couple of glasses of wine, you tend to write a hilarious sentence like “Lasha expressed myself sloppily, that’s all.”

    No big deal.

  14. March 5, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Fascism was a misguided attempt to turn Italians into Romans. Mussolini deserved better from history than he got for his high ambitions.

  15. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    March 5, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    Lasha expressed myself sloppily, that’s all

    Priceless.

  16. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 5, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @ Anty Ep, March 5, 2012 – 10:15 am

    If you want to convince me of the threshold premise that Iran has the capability of sinking a US carrier, then I think you need to produce some better and more credible sources than this Mark Gaffney.

    I’ve dealt with this question already:

    Though Gaffney’s credentials as a military expert can indeed be questioned, he has obviously done some research on this subject and is entitled to present his viewpoint. Just as his viewpoint can be rejected by some people as unreliable, it can be accepted by others who have studied the same subject and come to the same conclusions reached by Gaffney.

    One of the people I have quoted in support of my contention that this is a very serious situation that could lead to a major disaster, including WWIII, can hardly be dismissed as an a nonentity whose opinion should be ignored. This is Zbigniew Brzezinski who says: “An Israeli attack on Iran would create a disaster”

    Note that: a DISASTER.

    Ultimately, all a writer can do is present his/her honest viewpoint. This is what I have done. I don’t think any reasonable person would object to this paragraph in which my position is clearly stated:

    “If Iran were attacked and if Russia and China stood by and did nothing, they would lose face forever. They would be signaling to the world that they are weaklings, only too ready to cower at the feet of the American superbully. Indeed, they would then be next on America’s hit list.”

  17. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 5, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    @ Anty Ep, March 5, 2012 – 10:15 am

    “AE thinks Opus Dei is a fine upstanding organization acting as the Pope’s ideological praetorian guard” Charming, but I did not use those words.

    Sorry if I misread your meaning. As I said earlier, I know very little about Opus Dei. I’d got the general impression that Opus Dei had become the Pope’s “ideological Praetorian guard” and had in a sense taken over from the Jesuits.

    Zionist means holding the opinion favoring a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Vatican has made no such pronouncement that I am aware of and in point of fact Catholic and Orthodox are united in their opposition to the abuse of Palestinian Christians by Israelis and the destruction of Christian archaeological and holy sites by Israelis…

    I’m glad to hear this.

    I think we all probably could agree that a few of JP II’s antics such as apologizing to Jews and all that jive are reprehensible foolishness and that the liturgical excesses of the Post Vat 2 era are regrettable but that is all way beyond the scope of this article.

    Absolutely agree. But you know there’d be an outcry if the Pope suddenly reversed Vatical II and said the deicide charge still held good! In letting the Jews off the hook in regard to the death of Christ, the Pope did a massive U-turn and made a complete nonsense of the teachings of every single Father of the Church from St Jerome onward.

    The idea that Opus Dei is Zionist is patently ridiculous. I don’t need to prove my opinion of that, or defend it. If you think that it is, then you just expose your own ignorance.

    I never said that Opus Dei was Zionist. You’re confusing me with Blue Rose. This is what I said:

    I myself have never heard of any Opus Dei connection with Zionism. Maybe there is a hidden connection; but if so, this is the first time I’ve heard this alleged. I can say this most categorically: that if ever I learned that Opus Dei was in bed with the Jews, I would be extremely disappointed and disillusioned with Opus Dei.

  18. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 5, 2012 - 6:34 pm | Permalink

    @ Blue Rose

    Many thanks for the various links. I will study them carefully.

  19. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    ” “Father, I’m Jewish.” This was how Roberto Ackerman began a question to St Josemaria at a gathering in Caracas, Venezuela. St Josemaria instantly responded that the great loves of his own life were Jewish too ”

    A very short video clip with Escriva:

    http://www.josemariaescriva.info/article/father2c-i-am-jewish

    I know Escriva was only speaking figuratively, in a manner of speaking, but it does show how Catholicism is a Jewish religion offshoot. Doesn’t help matters any.

    But it does not take away, for me, that Jesus Christ was an Ascended Master, a bodhisattva, that manifests on Earth (or use to) from time to time. It’s unfortunate what he came for was then translated into a man-made religion.

    Well, all this is besides the point. But I begin to see the One World Religion so often spoken of, as being Judeo-Christian, Big Brothers as the Jews, and the Christians allowed so long as they don’t go against the Jewish agenda.

  20. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 10:57 am | Permalink

    You see, it doesn’t matter what the textbook definition of what Zionism means. Today it could mean many things, including a collaboration with a group that ought to be its total opposite, just as we see Christian fundamentalists carrying on about how we must be on the side of Israel, God’s Chosen.

    Just now I received a link from a Catholic source, an article about Santorium, who is definitely a Catholic, and his link to Opus Dei. My question is now, what position does Santorium take regarding Israel? Is he pro-war with Iran?

    Here is Santorum’s link with Opus Dei, according to the article:

    “The Santorums’ beliefs are reflected in a succession of lifestyle decisions, including eschewing birth control, home schooling their younger children and sending the older boys to a private academy affiliated with Opus Dei, an influential Catholic movement that emphasizes spiritual holiness. ”

    This sounds very Christian fundamentalist to me, and who better to partner with than the Jews and Marranos in the Church?

    I can only suggest emailing http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm

    to find out what they know about a collaboration with the Jews and the Marranos in the Catholic Church in regard to Opus Dei, rather than relying on a strictly textbook definition of what ‘Zionism’ is suppose to mean.

  21. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 5, 2012 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    “AE thinks Opus Dei is a fine upstanding organization acting as the Pope’s ideological praetorian guard” Charming, but I did not use those words. The guardian of orthodoxy in the Roman Catholic Church is the “Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei” fka the Inquisition. Not Opus Dei. My only point is that Opus Dei is not “zionist,” and that making a fanciful claim like that demands some adequate rational support, or it makes the proponent look bad.

    Zionist means holding the opinion favoring a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Vatican has made no such pronouncement that I am aware of and in point of fact Catholic and Orthodox are united in their opposition to the abuse of Palestinian Christians by Israelis and the destruction of Christian archaeological and holy sites by Israelis and I could go on and on about the things that the EU and the US generally ignore which the Vatican has criticised. It did not even have a diplomatic relationship with Israel until 1993. And the establishment of relations hardly means that the Vatican is now Zionist. I think we all probably could agree that a few of JP II’s antics such as apologizing to Jews and all that jive are reprehensible foolishness and that the liturgical excesses of the Post Vat 2 era are regrettable but that is all way beyond the scope of this article.

    Likewise the whole conversation about Opus Dei is besides the point of your article but I did not bring it up. And I took it as an example to illustrate that quoting a source without a thorough checking of bias, credibility, checking links within links, etc., can lead to an erroneous result. The idea that Opus Dei is Zionist is patently ridiculous. I dont need to prove my opinion of that, or defend it. If you think that it is, then you just expose your own ignorance. An assertion to the contrary is what is unbelievable, and in need of some evidence and support. It is not ‘throwing people off the investigative trail” to ask for credible proof of an unlikely and apparently counterfactual assertion. I am not trying to be “vicious” here just responsible. I like this website quite a bit and I would like to see it retain a level of debate that is well informed and not sink into historinics nor fantastic hyperbole.

    So, I speak only for myself her, but if you want to convince me of the threshhold premise that Iran has the capability of sinking a US carrier, then I think you need to produce some better and more credible sources than this Mark Gaffney. Are there any? An Iranian mullah boasting does not convince me either. Bring forth some additional proof, I suggest, or this article will be taken as hyperbole.

    Today, Putin is busy gloating over his electoral win, and he so far has said nothing about The US president’s bellicose statements to AIPAC concerning his willingness to us force against IRan. That is another far fetched idea that Russia would make a significant military response to either a limited Israeli air strike soon or a bigger series of US strikes later. I mean for starters the Russians can just laugh and sell the Iranians another reactor and more gear if we screw up what they’ve got already. Putin is a foxy survivor and I seriously doubt he would stick his neck out to save Iran’s nuclear probgram. Are Russians supposed to like the idea of the Iranian mullahs having the bomb? Again I am not in the slightest bit convinced that any great power will oppose military action against Iran.

    This morning I think it looks like Iran is going to get a bloody nose, more likely than ever, and everybody is going to stand back and let this happen. If the zodiac boats of the republican gaurd somehow sink a US carrier I will certainly show up here and make my apologies for my skepticisim.

  22. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 5, 2012 - 6:22 am | Permalink

    History of Iran & USA in 10 min, Every American must watch this!!

  23. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 4, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    I can only but reiterate yet again the entire sequence of events that led me to the Opus Dei-Zionist connection, but we’ve been through all that several times now. This is not my life’s work, but goggling ‘Opus Dei Zionist’ brought up some interesting links, digging deep, about England’s Tony Blair and also Rick Santorum. I imagine if I dug deeper still, I’d find other Opus Dei connections to political figures.

    I would suggest you email the http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm website and ask for what references they can give you. They do provide an email link to them.

    Actually, now that I look at their web page, they are Eastern or Greek Orthodox, not Roman Catholic. But if they have information about Opus Dei, no reason to discard it merely because they are Eastern or Greek Orthodox.

  24. March 4, 2012 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping: “Lasha does not lie.”

    Is Lasha her name?

    Miss Lasha lost me when she commented early on of her “deeply held Christian faith,” or something like that. Her otherworldly belief system is opposed to my own stiff-necked biological world view right there. Being a “vanguardist purist” I was already slightly turned off by use of the Christian concept of Armageddon in the title of the piece. That’s the supposed “Final Battle” on Earth between the forces of mythical Jesus and mythical Satan (from the Jew Book of Revelations 16:16) — the hymn-singers’ dread end of time. Being an empiricist of wholly European, non-Jewish stock, I reject such Middle-Eastern fables from the Jewish Bible as having any relevancy whatsoever to White racial renewal. The term Armageddon comes from the Hebrew har megiddô which means “the mountain of Megiddo” and is the place where Armageddon is supposed to start. Dr. Moonbeam or you, her sister and research assistant, probably know that there is no actual mountain near Megiddo. Satan only knows why the Hebes would name the Final Battle after a non-existent mountain?

    When Lasha mentioned that she must be anonymous because her work would be threatened were it known she writes anti-Zionist articles on the internet that could not have been meant to impress those who don’t have those irrational fears, much less those of us who have no family, as she claimed she has, who are all Zionists. Some of us actually use our real names and own our words and cut loose family members who are Zionists. Hell, I cut my family loose when they didn’t rebuke a cousin who has has Negro babies. We do not try to ridicule a stalwart like Hadding for his expertise in National-Socialism or for his ideal of truth-telling in his ‘Our Weapon: The Truth” article as Lasha did. When she did that her other shoe dropped for me. Writing scholarly articles is no virtue, especially when written anonymously. I’m aware of Hadding’s deeds for the cause and his sacrifices for over two decades. He has that rare, “enduring quality” Dr. Pierce prized in his followers. He is neither a “bully” nor a “mental rapist,” as charged by Lasha; he simply attempted here the thankless job of trying to keep folks honest. He drew out Dr. Moonbeam with ease and put her on the defensive. She now wants him to be barred from commenting on her articles. That’s the request of a loser.

    • March 4, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

      The comments on this article have been uniquely vicious and many of them have been off topic. Please stop all such comments having to do with personal traits. Keep them focused on the article itself. Kevin M

  25. March 4, 2012 - 8:26 pm | Permalink

    It should say which is, not “while is.”

    It’s not harassment to point out that somebody’s pretensions don’t make sense.

  26. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 4, 2012 - 7:41 pm | Permalink

    There’s no contradiction here. Lasha expressed myself sloppily, that’s all. In the same way as you expressed yourself sloppily when you said laissé-faire instead of laissez-faire and then made out you you’d done nothing wrong.

    One of our closest relations is our Uncle A. He happens to be a virulent Zionist. Of course I’m one of Lasha’s closest relatives — and it’s obvious I’m not a Zionist. All you’re doing is nitpicking.

    Lasha does not lie, but if you wish to call her a liar you may do so. Recollect however that 35-40 of your malicious and defamatory comments have already been deleted.

    They would not have been deleted had Kevin MacDonald not agreed to their deletion: which mean he is aware of your sustained and systematic harassment of my sister.

    Please STOP IT.

  27. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 4, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Lasha Darkmoon’s credibility is no longer an open question. The only question that remains open is why you keep playing her game? She gets the attention she craves, and the right to claim the most comment generating article ever. No note will be made that she or her alter ego wrote most of them.

  28. March 4, 2012 - 6:47 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression by anything I said about my relatives and the extreme Zionism to which a few of them subscribe.

    Ideally you should stop talking about yourself completely. Early on you said that not “a few,” but “all” of your closest relatives were fanatical Zionists:

    If they did, I’d be in big trouble! I’d be dismissed from my job at once and disowned by my closest relatives — all of them, unfortunately, fanatical Zionists.

    Then a few days later you say started claiming that you had a researcher who was your sister. There is no closer relative than that.

    If you don’t want all the stuff that you say about yourself to be picked apart, the easiest way to avoid that would be just not to say it.

  29. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Blue Rose,

    Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression by anything I said about my relatives and the extreme Zionism to which a few of them subscribe. I think the confusion arose because I had somehow given you the false impression that my entire famiy was Catholic. (I was referring to my nuclear family only, not my extended family of aunts, uncles and cousins.)

    I can only repeat what I said earlier:

    (1) None of the Catholic members of my family are Zionists. All the Zionists in my family are WASPs, i.e., Protestants. As extreme in their Zionism as John Bolton and Hillary Clinton are.

    (2) None of my Catholic relatives has anything to do with Opus Dei. We know as little about the secret workings of Opus Dei as we do about the secret workings of the Jesuits. We don’t move in such august circles! Opus Dei remains a remote and mysterious organization to us.

    Truly, Blue Rose: you know TEN times more about Opus Dei than I do. Can you please send me 1-2 good links on the Opus Dei/Zionist nexus? I have an open mind and I promise to read any such articles with interest.

    Thanks once again for sharing your thoughts with me.

  30. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 4, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    No, Lasha, you are twisting things around. I can only reiterate to you the entire sequence of events.

    Your initial mention of having Catholic relatives who are pro-Zionist caused me for days to wonder what Catholics would be pro-Zionist? Again I’ll repeat, many days later the Universe gave me the answer: Opus Dei Catholics. (I honestly don’t remember exactly how I discovered this.) A google brought up http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm , a Catholic sedevaticanist site, that confirmed the entire thing. That, in fact, is the long and short of it. You know about as much as I do as to Opus Dei, but for me, Anty Ep’s opinion (whatever kind of name that is) is completely irrelevant since he/she/it just regurgitates Catholic smoke-and-mirrors obfuscation, to get any off of the investigative trail.

    Invoking Dan Brown as a distraction. The practices of the mortification of the flesh, if this is what Opus Dei actually does, in my opinion is not something the public needs pass judgment on. As far as I’m concerned, they can whip themselves daily into a coma if they like — it’s not the public’s business. Their defenders regurgitating mainstream Catholic palaver about Opus Dei’s ‘that everyone is called to holiness and that ordinary life is a path to sanctity’ is just a distraction. What else is Opus Dei going to say, seriously? The problem is why all the secrecy?

    According to wiki:

    ‘Within the Catholic Church, Opus Dei is also criticized for allegedly seeking independence and more influence.[20] ‘

    [20] ^ a b Michael Walsh (2004). Opus Dei: An Investigation into the Powerful Secretive Society within the Catholic Church.. Harper San Francisco. ISBN 0060750685.

    I’ve already found bits and pieces about England’s Tony Blair and also Rick Santorum having connections to Opus Dei. I am not making this my life’s work, so basically if anyone wants to research the Opus Dei angle, they should do so. It’s enough for me for the moment I chanced upon this entire angle of Opus Dei to Zionism, which the more I think about it, the more it does make sense.

    Even the Ph.D. intellectual writers of a Traditional Catholic newspaper I had subscribed to often wondered about Pope John Paul II being the antichrist. They are a fiercely anti-Zionist paper, somewhat sedevaticanist, but Opus Dei apparently was too secretive for even them to make a Zionist connection. I’m sure by now, however, they have knowledge of it.

  31. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    From: DELETED
    Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:01 AM
    To: Darkmoon Lasha
    Subject: Israel, Iran, Armageddon

    Dear Lasha:

    It makes me happy to see your name in print. As Armageddon Approaches, you’re maturing nicely: am glad to see your wide range, from art and poetry to sex (of Jewish variety) to the probability of Israeli attack on Iran.

    You may have noticed from my **** mailings that I’m just as concerned with the same issues, of which the war on Iran is the foremost.

    I have to caution you against an excessive optimism about its consequences. I wish you were right about Russia’s and China’s likely response. I cannot judge the Chinese situation, but Russia is not ready for an adequate response. I am in Russia now, but the conclusion was made while I was in the States.

    You write:

    The imminent conflict, which now belongs in the high probability spectrum, is a conflict into which Russia and China cannot fail to be drawn. Their interests are inextricably linked with those of Iran. You could say that Iran is their semi-independent protectorate and ally.

    If Iran were attacked and if Russia and China stood by and did nothing, they would lose face forever. They would be signaling to the world that they are weaklings, only too ready to cower at the feet of the American superbully. Indeed, they would then be next on America’s hit list.

    I know than many of my friends in the West have put a lot of faith in Putin perhaps due to the macho image he cultivates and because he squeezed some Jewish oligarchs. I am not against him and am ready to give him the credits he deserves. In fact, I hope he wins the election outright. But even then I doubt that he has the balls to stand up to Israel/US.

    Not for now.

    Hopefully he will acquire them before the next term expires. It’s not just him. It’s the whole country.

    Dmitry Rogozin’s appointment to oversee the defense industry is a signed that Putin wants to move away from the debacle of Medvedev’s capitulation on Libya. Recently, Putin stated that he “defeated the oligarchs”. It’s not quite true. At best, it’s wishful thinking.

    The oligarchs or their minions still have a good chance to persuade him and Russian “public opinion” that an Israeli/US war on Iran is “not bad” for Russia for it will raise oil revenues.
    This war should be by all means averted or postponed until Obama enters into his second term. Otherwise, it’s a chutzpah, and you know who can play it best.

    Iran is also divided. Some Iranians who think like you and me at the same time hate the Ayatollahs and they will not fight for them as well as they could.

    Since you like classics, read Nicholas Nassim Taleb’s The Black Swan and let me know what you think of it.

    Cheers,

    G,

    (snow-overed in Moscow)

    P.S. Did you see that Stuart Littlewood praised you on Veterans Today? Well deserved!

  32. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 3:53 pm | Permalink

    @ Mickey Meadows

    My Russian contact, a man of great prominence in his field, can definitely be regarded as an expert on Russian matters. He and I have been in touch for two years now.

    He writes to me: “Lasha, you have my permission [to copy and paste my email]. Please describe me as ‘a Russian American academic who travels to Russia frequently.'”

    His unedited email will now follow.

    This email will be of great interest to you and others on this site. My Russian contact is a bit skeptical of my claim that Russia is very likely to intervene if the US and Israel attack Iran. He thinks Russia MIGHT intervene if pushed hard enough, but he wouldn’t be too surprised if Russia sat on its hands.

  33. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Mickey Meadows @ 10.55

    Lasha – I gave two opposite situations, those essentially being (a) No attack on Iran has happened and (b) An attack on Iran has taken place.

    In the ‘no attack has happened’ situation, which is where we are right now, it is reasonable to speculate that the power of Russia and China may be a significant factor in the equation.

    But if the decision is made to attack Iran it is also reasonable to assume Russia and China will not get involved militarily.

    What that chinese professor says is basically irrelevant unless he has the authority to speak for China. Which he doesn’t.

    Mickey, I’ve already answered part of your question in a long post above (about WWIII). You must have missed it.

    In regard to the two possible scenarios you mentioned, I told you I would tackle this question by posting a long comment from a Russian correspondent who will throw light on this subject. This will follow soon.

    Meanwhile, here are a few thoughts to allay your doubts — and those of certain other skeptical posters — on the reliability of some of my sources:

    The idea that Chinese Major General Zhang Zhaozhong cannot be taken seriously, given the background context in which he said that China is ready to embark on WWIII if America and Israel attack Iran , is a valid point. I don’t deny that. I have also made heavy use of Mark Gaffney as a source to buttress my claim that America could face a major disaster in the Persian Gulf if it acted unwisely. Of course one is entitled to question Gaffney’s credentials and to point out that he can hardly be described as a “military specialist”.

    All these are valid points.

    My answer to these criticisms would be along these lines:
    I have not only quoted Chinese Major General Zhang Zhaozhong (an allegedly unreliable source) about the seriousness of the situation if America/Israel attacked Iran, but I have reinforced this view with a quote from a reliable Russian source saying more or less the same thing. Leonid Ivashov, former member of the Russian Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Russia Today TV on February 1, 2012:

    Russia does not want any military operations to be waged against Iran or Syria. These two countries are allies, and both are considered guaranteed partners of Russia. A strike against Syria or Iran is an indirect strike against Russia and its interests

    Ivashov is making it clear, in cautious diplomatic language, that America had better be careful not to attack Iran. He is reiterating what Chinese Major General Zhang Zhaozhong had said earlier: DON’T TRY IT ON, AMERICA! IF YOU ATTACK OUR VITAL INTERESTS, YOU WILL RISK STARTING WORLD WAR THREE!”

    * * * * *

    Though Gaffney’s credentials as a military expert can indeed be questioned, he has obviously done some research on this subject and is entitled to present his viewpoint. Just as his viewpoint can be rejected by some people as unreliable, it can be accepted by others who have studied the same subject and come to the same conclusions reached by Gaffney.

    One of the people I have quoted in support of my contention that this is a very serious situation that could lead to a major disaster, including WWIII, can hardly be dismissed as an a nonentity whose opinion should be ignored. This is Zbigniew Brzezinski who says: “An Israeli attack on Iran would create a disaster”

    Note that: a DISASTER.

    Ultimately, all a writer can do is present his/her honest viewpoint. This is what I have done. I don’t think any reasonable person would object to this paragraph in which my position is clearly stated:

    If Iran were attacked and if Russia and China stood by and did nothing, they would lose face forever. They would be signaling to the world that they are weaklings, only too ready to cower at the feet of the American superbully. Indeed, they would then be next on America’s hit list.

  34. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Blue Rose,

    You show a far greater background knowledge of Opus Dei than I have, so I cannot possibly disagree with you because I would then be doing so from an inferior position. As I’ve already admitted, I’ve only read ONE book about the subject which left out any mention of a Zionist connection. This is obviously one of the books trying to put in a good word for Opus Dei and present a squeaky clean image of it.

    According to you, Opus Dei is a sinister and suspect organization that could be in league with organized Jewry. And the Pope, if this view is correct, is at best a puppet or at worst an Antipope.

    I gather that Anty Ep strongly disagrees with you on this point and thinks Opus Dei is a fine upstanding organization acting as the Pope’s ideological praetorian guard — unless I have got Anty Ep wrong!

    Well, as I say, I’m in no position to know who is correct or what to believe. I’m an Opus Dei ignoramus.

    Can I ask you to do me a favor though? Please post me a few really good links telling me what I should read to find out more about this subject. I’m really interested.

    Thanks, Blue Rose. It’s been nice talking to you!

    Lasha

  35. March 4, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    People are of course free to question the reliability of one’s sources. They do this all the time. But this is my main source for Chinese readiness to embark on WWIII if their vital interests are attacked. Other sources exist if you look hard for them — especially on Global Research.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinese-professor-threatens-third-world-war-to-protect-iran.html

    Alex Jones, sensationalist as always.

    Anybody who would watch the video on Prison Planet will find context (omitted in the article) that makes Zhaozhong’s statement much less significant.

    It’s puzzling to some that Major General Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor from the Chinese National Defense University, said China will not hesitate to defend Iran even with a third World War.

    Professor Xia Ming: “Professor Zhang Zhaozhong said that not hesitating to fight a third world war would be entirely for domestic political needs. To some extent though, this would be completely ridiculous to encourage.

    Prison Planet leaves out the indications that Zhaozhong’s view is not in the Chinese mainstream: “It is puzzling to some,” and, “this would be completely ridiculous to encourage.” Thus the importance of Zhaozhong’s statement is exaggerated.

    The USA has also has had its extreme hawks, like General Curtis LeMay, who advocated a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the USSR. The fact that somebody was saying such a thing doesn’t mean that it was ever close to becoming policy.

  36. MIckey Meadows's Gravatar MIckey Meadows
    March 4, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Lasha – I gave two opposite situations, those essentially being (a) No attack on Iran has happened and (b) An attack on Iran has taken place.

    In the ‘no attack has happened’ situation, which is where we are right now, it is reasonable to speculate that the power of Russia and China may be a significant factor in the equation.

    But if the decision is made to attack Iran it is also reasonable to assume Russia and China will not get involved militarily.

    What that chinese professor says is basically irrelevant unless he has the authority to speak for China. Which he doesn’t.

    I don’t see how WWIII happens in any reasonable scenario. What I do see is that the West slips into an economic depression in several reasonable scenarios. I also see that Israel ends up stronger in pretty much all scenarios involving an attack on Iran.

  37. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 4, 2012 - 7:34 am | Permalink

    @History is Bunk:

    Dear History,

    You blow my mid with this astute comment. I can only applaud your decision not to waste your time any more posting fruitless comments on internet forums where no one really pays attention and everything is soon forgotten.

    What you have to say here is in a sense so revolutionary and subversive of all mainstream values, and so well written too, that I would urge you — nay, entreat you — to find the time to put all this into a series of full-length articles and submit them to Kevin MacDonald for publication.

    If Kevin is unable to publish your work for one reason or other, then by all means try elsewhere.

    If you were to send me your future essays, I would recommend them to my editor cousin John Scott Montecristo for publication on darkmoon.me.

    Think about it.

    Best wishes,

    Lasha

  38. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    March 3, 2012 - 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Lasha ( will this version pass moderation . . . lol )

    I have been “hiding” myself in the works of Professor Revilo P. Oliver. Much is still available on the net and I have collected all of that, including his books. I regard him as one of the world’s leading philologists. None of his essays/books are light reading but I find it a breath of fresh air after living most of my life unknowingly in the stench of jew Big Lies (as we all have).

    A certain well known Austrian author was correct in his best selling book when he tagged the jews as the Masters of The Big Lie. We, of course, are the Masters of Gullibility.

    So with Professor Oliver’s writings, I am engaged in a process of self-education, and the displacing of jew lies still implanted in my mind. My days of “saving us from ourselves” and “waking up the white cattle” on internet comment boards are over. I waste very little time on that. I agree with Professor Oliver, the remnant of us left after our fratricidal slaughters in the jew instigated religious wars and jew instigated World Wars, jew instigated racial replacement/miscegenation, etc, are too stupid to survive much longer as a viable race on the planet.

    I understand Professor Macdonald believes the resistance/revolution will begin in Europe, and I would sincerely like to believe that also, but I don’t. The colonies of whites scattered throughout Europe are just as mired in lying jew filth as we are. Their elected traitors are equally as craven and beholden to their jew superiors as ours.

    As for those hoping the Russian and Chinese governments will come to the aid of Iran – who controls Russia’s and China’s central banks, and therefore their gaggle of elected and non-elected traitors? They may play a role in the jews’ third world war, but it will be a role assigned them and directed by their jew masters. I suspect the ultimate purpose will be to finish off as many white cattle as possible, particularly the American variety. Obama’s 30,000 armed drone aircraft will mop up what’s left.

    America was murdered in 1861, Lasha, it has just taken the jews 150 years to prepare the corpse for cremation.

    Finally, as for it being a “fascinating” idea that the United States of Israel have positioned American ships in the Persian Gulf to be sunk and kick of their third world war – if you have the time, and the interest – you can research the suppressed real story of the Lusitania, the Liberty and Pearl Harbor. I would suggest you also research Israel’s Mossad 911 false flag in America. It won’t change one iota of what they are going to do, but you will understand what they are doing.

    As always, Lasha, good luck in the coming hostilities.

  39. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    March 3, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Lasha.

    I have been “hiding” myself in the works of Professor Revilo P. Oliver. Much is still available on the net and I have collected all of that, including his books. I regard him as one of the world’s leading philologists. None of his essays/books are light reading but I find it a breath of fresh air after living most of my life unknowingly in the stench of jew Big Lies (as we all have).

    A certain well known Austrian author was correct in his best selling book when he tagged the kikes as the Masters of The Big Lie. We, of course, are the Masters of Gullibility.

    So with Professor Oliver’s writings, I am engaged in a process of self-education, and the displacing of jew lies still implanted in my mind. My days of “saving us from ourselves” and “waking up the white cattle” on internet comment boards are over. I waste very little time on that. I agree with Professor Oliver, the remnant of us left after our fratricidal slaughters in the jew instigated religious wars and jew instigated World Wars, jew instigated racial replacement/miscegenation, etc, are too stupid to survive much longer as a viable race on the planet.

    I understand Professor Macdonald believes the resistance/revolution will begin in Europe, and I would sincerely like to believe that also, but I don’t. The colonies of whites scattered throughout Europe are just as mired in lying jew filth as we are. Their elected traitors are equally as craven and beholden to their jew superiors as ours.

    As for those hoping the Russian and Chinese governments will come to the aid of Iran – who controls Russia’s and China’s central banks, and therefore their gaggle of elected and non-elected traitors? They may play a role in the jews’ third world war, but it will be a role assigned them and directed by their jew masters. I suspect the ultimate purpose will be to finish off as many white cattle as possible, particularly the American variety. Obama’s 30,000 armed drone aircraft will mop up what’s left.

    America was murdered in 1861, Lasha, it has just taken the jews 150 years to prepare the corpse for cremation.

    Finally, as for it being a “fascinating” idea that the United States of Israel have positioned American ships in the Persian Gulf to be sunk and kick of their third world war – if you have the time, and the interest – you can research the suppressed real story of the Lusitania, the Liberty and Pearl Harbor. I would suggest you also research Israel’s Mossad 911 false flag in America. It won’t change one iota of what they are going to do, but you will understand what they are doing.

    As always, Lasha, good luck in the coming hostilities.

  40. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 3, 2012 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Blue Rose: I will try to comment on your post when I have some more time.

  41. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 3, 2012 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    @Lasha Darkmoon

    Not sure how WWIII results out of any this. Two things I think are true:

    – Russia and China now powerful enough that their opposition will be a significant deterent in the thinking of the US.

    _ The US is so powerful that if they do attack Iran, neither Russia nor China will intervene.

    However it would be very bad for their relations.

    However, no result leads to WWIII. How are you getting that?

    Thanks, Mickey. This is an exceptionally interesting post and so I will answer it in two parts. The bit where you say “Two things I think are true” and then, paradoxically, present two opposite scenarios, I will deal with later when I have some more time.

    I’ve just heard from a correspondent of mine, a highly placed Russian expert, and I will quote his whole email. It throws light on this question. He has given me permission to quote his email in full.

    I will now answer your second question:

    “However, no result leads to WWIII. How are you getting that?”

    Well, Mickey, you probably missed the link in this paragraph of my article (scroll up to the top of the page):

    Chinese Major General Zhang Zhaozhong recently stated that if America or Israel attacked Iran, “China will not hesitate to protect Iran—even with a third world war.”

    If you’d clicked on that link, you would have found an article on Prison Planet, and you would have read this:

    According to NDTV, a Chinese news station based outside the country, in regard to recent speculation that Iran would be the target of a US-Israeli military assault, Major General Zhang Zhaozhong commented that, “China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third world war…”

    People are of course free to question the reliability of one’s sources. They do this all the time. But this is my main source for Chinese readiness to embark on WWIII if their vital interests are attacked. Other sources exist if you look hard for them — especially on Global Research.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinese-professor-threatens-third-world-war-to-protect-iran.html

    * * * * *

    My Russian contact’s email will be of great interest to you. He is a bit skeptical of my claim that Russia is very likely to intervene if the US and Israel attack Iran. He thinks Russia MIGHT intervene if pushed hard enough, but he wouldn’t be too surprised if Russia sat on its hands.

  42. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 3, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Oh o.k. I guess if you had initially mentioned you have Protestant and Muslim relatives, in addition to Catholics, the whole discussion could have been avoided, because for my part, since you mentioned about Catholic relatives who were pro-Zionist, for days afterwards I wondered what Catholics would be pro-Zionist?

    In the end, Universe, it was just as well, as the Universe provided the answer: OPUS DEI Catholics, which led to the legitimate http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm website for confirmation to my conundrum, and which goes a long way explaining Sedevaticanists.

    In the intellectual Trad Catholic newspaper I had subscribed to, the Catholic Ph.D. writers themselves seemed confounded what to make of Opus Dei when some of the Catholic readership wrote in asking what to think about Opus Dei. The writers did not actually endorse Opus Dei, just sort of not knowing themselves what to think. If an organization is *that* secretive that even Traditional Catholics are baffled what to think, I would say that secret organization is secret for a reason. If ever their Zionist-Talmudist connections were made know (which it has), a lot of the blanks would be filled in why the Pope allows himself to be made to do the bidding of the Jews/Zionists, much to the disgust of many Catholics.

    Of course, the easy thing is to pooh-pooh the whole idea behind Opus Dei by invoking Dan Brown and Josemaría Escrivá ((9 January 1902 – 26 June 1975) to paint him as a Saint, with the usual Catholic smoke-and-mirrors blather about ‘Escrivá’s teaching on the universal call to holiness, the role of laity, and sanctification of work’, as if that’s all there is to it.

    But I see a deeper connection. At wiki:

    ‘…within Opus Dei, and political involvement with right-wing causes, such as the dictatorships of Generals Francisco Franco in Spain (1939–1975) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile 1973–1990).’

    Now that there is no longer a Franco or Pinochet, what other rabidly right-wing group exists that has, and always had, actual power — but the Jews/Zionists. An alliance between Zionist/Talmudist Jews and the secret Opus Dei would here seem to make sense. And the Pope lighting menorah candles would be the result, as we see at http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm

    I read something that none other than Rick Santorum has connections to Opus Dei, though it is believed by some he in fact is a member. Of course this would not be publicly acknowledge by Opus Dei if he was.

    And wiki seems to have left off Santorum’s religion altogether, but I gather it’s Catholic. He is not in favor of a separation between church and state:

    ‘ In an interview with ABC’s television program This Week, Santorum said, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” Santorum continued, “The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square.” ‘

    The problem is, to what extent? To where little by little the US becomes a theocracy, which is what the right-wing is aiming for. The Jews of course will be the older brother, with Christians and their Judaic-evolved ethics and morals, the younger.

  43. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 3, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon

    Not sure how WWIII results out of any this. Two things I think are true:

    – Russia and China now powerful enough that their opposition will be a significant deterent in the thinking of the US.

    _ The US is so powerful that if they do attack Iran, neither Russia nor China will intervene.

    However it would be very bad for their relations.

    However, no result leads to WWIII. How are you getting that?

  44. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 3, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I think you mentioned somewhere you are Catholic, and the ‘Montecristo’ pen name is of Catholic origin. You mention that your family is Zionist-oriented (in favor of the Zionists) and so you must keep your anonymity. It’s come to my attention, meaning I’m wondering if your family has connections to, or are part of Opus Dei ?

    I gather there seems to be some connection with Opus Dei to Zionism…

    Blue Rose, a few separate points:

    (1) When I say I come from a Catholic family, I basically mean that I was reared as a Catholic in a Catholic family, though my father was born a Protestant and later became a kind of lukewarm Catholic convert, i.e., coming to Mass with the rest of us and even receiving Communion. My uncles and aunts are all Protestants though, and MOST of my cousins are therefore Protestants.

    Consider this: You, a Catholic, could easily have a Catholic uncle who marries a Jewess. Their children are therefore Jewish. In this case, you have Jewish cousins. And yet, when asked, you would probably answer, “I come from a Catholic family.”

    In the same way, I come from a Catholic family in which I find myself with Protestant uncles and Muslim cousins — one of my uncles being married to a Muslim lady (my aunt-in-law) whose children have adopted Islam as their religion.

    2. None of my Catholic relatives are Zionists. A true Catholic, in my opinion, will always be opposed to Zionism and he/she will be a strong supporter of traditional moral values. It’s always the Protestants who tend to back Zionism, homosexuality, same-sex marriage, abortion and pornography. Good Catholic do not.

    We subscrbe to the wisdom of our ancestors. They have taught us that homosexuality, incest and bestiality are dead wrong — and we accept these values from them which are in any case rooted in our instincts — and nothing will shake us from our ineradicable view that it is an appalling sin to have recreational sex with a dog or sleep with one’s own father or mother. Nor is sodomy a pretty thing when you understand what it involves.

    3. None of my Catholic relatives, including my cousin Montecristo, have any connections with Opus Dei.

    4. I myself have only read one book about Opus Dei and it was complimentary. My knowledge of Opus Dei however is far less than yours or Anty Epp’s, so I’m in no position to take sides with either of you!

    I learned from this book that Opus Dei were staunch supporters of the traditional Catholic Church. That they went in for great austerities, like self-flagellation. That they took extra time to pray and meditate. All this, I confess, predisposed me in favor of Opus Dei — that is to say, if the one book I read was a credible source of information.

    5. I myself have never heard of any Opus Dei connection with Zionism. Maybe there is a hidden connection; but if so, this is the first time I’ve heard this alleged. I can say this most categorically: that if ever I learned that Opus Dei was in bed with the Jews, I would be extremely disappointed and disillusioned with Opus Dei.

    6. I am against the newfangled Catholic Church and have been given to understand that it has been horribly corrupted and subverted by Jews who have infiltrated it. Infiltration of the Church by Jews has been going on since time immemorial. So the idea that our contemporary Catholic Church is Judenfrei (Jew-free) is too far-fetched to believe.

    7. I think the Catholic Church is the last bastion against barbarism and the toxic Jewish values disseminated by the Frankfurt School. Yes, there have been pedophile priests, but I can honestly say this: every priest and monk and nun I have ever met has been a good person. And most Catholics I meet have their hearts in the right places.

  45. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 3, 2012 - 7:40 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Blue Rose,

    You raise several important points of interest in this post. I will deal with each point separately in separate posts. I just wanted to say how immensely grateful I am to you for posting this link — it’s just what I’ve been looking for and I think I’m going to find the information here invaluable:

    http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm

    I’ve been brooding for a long time on this whole sad business of the Catholic Church and way it seems to have been infiltrated and undermined by Jews. My own position, in case you are interested, is what I would describe as “Old Catholic” — or, better still, “Old Christian”.

    I have an immense admiration for the early Christian martyrs who were thrown to the lions in the Circus Maximus. This was before Constantine decided to Christianize the pagan Roman Empire in circa AD 313. In many way, these early Christians were far truer to the spirit of Christ than the Christians of later years.

    And now we have that ultimate monstrosity, the Christian Zionists, who have done for Christianity what Jack the Ripper did for Whitechapel.

    I prefer the pre-Vatican II Church to the newfangled Church that has replaced it. I am a supporter of Bishop Williamson. And needless to say I am enthusiastic about Mel Gibson’s movie “The Passion” — though I was alarmed to discover that many of the cast acting in the movie were porn actors and actresses!

    All that is Just to give you an idea where I’m coming from…

  46. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 3, 2012 - 6:59 am | Permalink

    @History is Bunk:

    Hi History,

    Nice to see you posting here again. Where have you been hiding? Your somewhat “subversive” comment above is one that, I confess, never occurred to me before:

    Spare a thought for the sacrificial offerings on US ships off the Iranian coast. No different from the Lusitania or the USS Liberty or those murdered at Pearl Harbor by Roosevelt and his jew superiors.

    I received an email the other day which echoes this thought exactly. I copy and paste it verbatim — though I have already done this before.

    Dear Dr. Darkmoon.

    This is really an excellent article, and it raises an interesting question. From the information you give (I looked up most of the references) the Iranian anti-ship missiles from Russia and China are both plentiful and cutting-edge.

    It looks like “hunting” the US and British ships in the Strait of Hormuz would be like shooting fish in a rainbarrel.

    The question is this: If these missiles are such a serious threat to these ships, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT THEM WITHIN RANGE OF THESE WEAPONS???

    Is the US military simply overconfident?? There is plenty of evidence of this elsewhere. Or do they have another plan in mind?

    Have they put these ships in the Strait for the same reason they left ships in Pearl Harbor, so they could be bombed by the Japanese and provide an excellent way to start a much bigger war?

    Hence your title: “Armageddon Approaches”.

    In my opinion, the US might make it look like Israel “dragged” or “tricked” them into a wider war, but in the end they will only fight a wider war because they want to. Israel is a pawn. The US goal is nothing less than world domination.

    Best wishes,

    Ken at sandakan44

    Fascinating idea: that the US is deliberately putting its ships in harm’s way in the Persian Gulf, setting our marines up for a major massacre, thus creating a new Pearl Harbor incident and a pretext for WW3.

  47. March 2, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    @History is Bunk:

    Informative essay.

    Make sure that you check the credibility of the sources used.

  48. History is Bunk's Gravatar History is Bunk
    March 2, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Hello Lasha,

    Informative essay. Thanks.

    What percentage of the American population soaks up their daily dose of jew Big Lie programing propaganda from jew TV, jew movies, jew newspapers, jew magazines, jew books, jew radio, jew internet, jew advertising, jew pornography, jew owned politicians, jew controlled legal system, jew controlled educators, jew controlled religion salesmen and jew controlled social movements (feminism, gayism, diversityism, whateverism) ?

    That would be 100 percent, would it not.

    — — —

    Spare a thought for the sacrificial offerings on US ships off the Iranian coast. No different from the Lusitania or the USS Liberty or those murdered at Pearl Harbor by Roosevelt and his jew superiors.

    — — —

  49. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 2, 2012 - 2:41 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep:

    I also subscribed to an intellectual somewhat sedevaticanist Trad Catholic newspaper who thought the same things about Opus Dei and other things about the situation with the Church sucking up to the Jews by the Pope. And that’s all I’m going to say to you about that.

  50. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 2, 2012 - 2:35 pm | Permalink

    You raised the issue not me. I just reject your assertion as lacking support and you are trying to turn that into a fallacy.

    Stop it already with your intellectual claptrap. All the support I need in asking Lasha if her family are members of Opus Dei comes from opusdeialert.com Sedevaticanists have good reason for thinking what they do. See their site.

    Who cares what you reject? You are not the be-all, end-all and arbiter of Catholicism.

  51. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 2, 2012 - 2:27 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    Are you offended that I butted in on your conversation? You raised the issue not me. I just reject your assertion as lacking support and you are trying to turn that into a fallacy. It isnt. You are the one making a dubious assertion, then you have to support it not me. And your link was to a baised source, that is putting forward unverified statements about something patently unlikely. So, I just dont believe what you suggested and I’m pointing out you’ve put forth no credble proof.

    At least Dan Browne called his own defamation of Opus Dei fiction. Though a lot of fools took it for fact.

    So, when somebody posts a link, I like to check the link and not take it at face value. I like to see if the sources adduced as experts really are experts, I like to read about the website authorship in order to consider bias, I like to consider what is the simplest and most likely explantion for something and tend to prefer that over more fanciful and unlikely explanations.

    For example, I am dubious that AEGIS or phalanx antimissile systems are as impotent as suggested. I would not tend to believe that without some kind of credible and unbiased explanation. I havent seen one yet and this mark gaffney. i read on “alternativesjournal a turkish journal of internetional relations ” that mark gaffney is:

    “Mark Gaffney is a researcher, writer, poet, environmentalist, anti-nuclear activist, and organic gardener. Mark was the principal organizer of the first Earth Day in April 1970 at Colorado State University. Mark’s first book was a pioneering 1989 study of the Israeli nuke program: DIMONA THE THIRD TEMPLE. From 1989-1993 Mark helped National Audubon Society inventory and map Oregon’s remaining old growth forests. Mark’s forthcoming book is a radical study of early Christianity: SECRETS OF THE NAASSENE SERMON.”

    OK fine he may be a wonderful fellow and a person of sincere good will but is he a mlitary technology expert? Doesnt seem like it to me.

    ITs called checking sources and I think its a ggood idea to do before taking something too seriously.

  52. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 2, 2012 - 12:44 pm | Permalink

    opusdeialert.com is credible as far as I’m concerned. Sedevaticianist is no ‘sin’.

  53. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 2, 2012 - 12:41 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep:

    Never mind if it’s a ‘far flung digression’ in your mind. I wanted to ask the question of Lasha and in order to do that I put out a ‘feeler’. I have my reasons for asking.

    do not know if you are ignorant of these things in which case this may be an innocent mistake, but Opus Dei is not “Zionist” in any sense at all, and the Opus Dei members I know

    I would have thought the chances of someone on T.O.O. having acquaintance with Opus Dei are 1 in a million. So therefore, as far as I’m concerned, whether you really do or don’t know anyone who is Opus Dei is of no interest to me, and neither is anything you say about them. Whether opusdeialtet.com is sedevaticanist or not, YOU are not the arbiter and end-all of all things Catholic, that I must needs believe anything YOU have to say.

    Rational arguments and verifiable and credible proofs and evidence show respect for the audience and are persuasive in motivating the reader to a long term commitment to action rather than just a fleeting emotional reaction.

    I am looking for information and asking Lasha, and not attempting to persuade anyone about anything having to do with Opus Dei. So there is no need for me to provide “Rational arguments and verifiable and credible proofs ” of anything. Often such act as mere masquerades trying to derail or discredit.

  54. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 2, 2012 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    This is a far flung digression but the web page you are quoting as support for the preposterous notion that Opus Dei has Zionist affinities is a sedevacantist site that says the current Pope is an Antipope. Now because Opus Dei is a conservative group that supports the Pope, and your cited website is a sedevacantist site that is also traditionalist in some sense but is opposed to the legitimacy of the sitting Pope, hence in a vague sort of rivalry with Opus Dei, one can see the web page’s motivation to call Opus Dei “zionist.”

    I do not know if you are ignorant of these things in which case this may be an innocent mistake, but Opus Dei is not “Zionist” in any sense at all, and the Opus Dei members I know are well educated in the Jewish Problem and it is laughable that they would be considered “Zionist.” The comment quoted like that from one rabbi is not verified, the context is not provided, and it could have many more reaosnable explanations than what you suggested.

    Fr Josemaria the Founder was also NOT on the Jewish side of the Spanish Civil War and he was not Jewish and there is no credible proof for any of these things shown on that website.

    This is a similar problem with the incident editorial piece which seems to advance this Gaffney fellow as a military technology expert. I’m sorry but I looked him up and he does not seem like any kind of credible expert to me.

    Rational arguments and verifiable and credible proofs and evidence show respect for the audience and are persuasive in motivating the reader to a long term commitment to action rather than just a fleeting emotional reaction.

  55. james johnson's Gravatar james johnson
    March 2, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    great discussion. a false flag attack on the fifth fleet to precede and attack on Iran seems inevitable.
    The difficulty of defending ships in restricted waters has two more factors not discussed here: mines and wake following torpedoes. both of which Iran has, and are cheap to produce and deploy…

  56. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 2, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius:

    Well said. War is not in our interests here. That is a more sensible and compelling and authentic persuasive argument. Especially when you are talking to red state people who don’t really care overmuch about the national welfare of Palestinians or whomever.

    You can see the effectiveness of this kind of argument from the vehement attacks made against Mearsheimer and Walt who published the famous paper on Zionist influence on discussions and consideration of American foreign policy.

    PS– isnt that name one of the chiefs that rebelled against Julius Caesar? It took me a while to remember.

  57. Gregg's Gravatar Gregg
    March 2, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    Endless war for Israel, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.

    They violate the 1st Amendment by caging protesters and banning books like “America Deceived II”.

    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by allowing TSA to grope you.

    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars.

    Impeach Obama, support Ron Paul.

    Last link of “America Deceived II” before it is completely banned:

    http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437

  58. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    March 2, 2012 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    @ Lasha Darkmoon

    I think you mentioned somewhere you are Catholic, and the ‘Montecristo’ pen name is of Catholic origin. You mention that your family is Zionist-oriented (in favor of the Zionists) and so you must keep your anonymity. It’s come to my attention, meaning I’m wondering if your family has connections to, or are part of Opus Dei ?

    I gather there seems to be some connection with Opus Dei to Zionism:

    This webpage seems to be Roman Catholic enough, and they seem to reveal Opus Dei ‘s connections:

    http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm

    ‘Rabbi Angel Kreiman Praises Escriva and Opus Dei for
    Helping Him and Others to Become Rabbis

    Links Escriva’s Teaching on Work to the Talmudic Tradition ‘

    The thing is, I cannot for the life of me think what Catholics would be pro-Zionist, at least to the extent that you fear being outed to your family to the extent that you do, as you’ve mentioned this several times.

    Also what puzzles me is why you seem to be so pro-Iranian, even to the point of a bit of agitation, which was the feeling I got from your article? I mean besides the point of Israel-US interference in Muslim Middle Eastern countries, you seem especially convulsion over Iran in particular. Just wondering what your interest is there.

  59. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    March 2, 2012 - 7:36 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “The article is a piece of crap in terms of credibility…”

    Here’s another email from my postbag which offers a different perspective. It makes some exceptionally interesting points: points which, I confess, had never occurred to me before.

    Dear Dr. Darkmoon.

    This is really an excellent article, and it raises an interesting question. From the information you give (I looked up most of the references) the Iranian anti-ship missiles from Russia and China are both plentiful and cutting-edge.

    It looks like “hunting” the US and British ships in the Strait of Hormuz would be like shooting fish in a rainbarrel.

    The question is this: If these missiles are such a serious threat to these ships, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT THEM WITHIN RANGE OF THESE WEAPONS???

    Is the US military simply overconfident?? There is plenty of evidence of this elsewhere. Or do they have another plan in mind?

    Have they put these ships in the Strait for the same reason they left ships in Pearl Harbor, so they could be bombed by the Japanese and provide an excellent way to start a much bigger war?

    Hence your title: “Armageddon Approaches”.

    In my opinion, the US might make it look like Israel “dragged” or “tricked” them into a wider war, but in the end they will only fight a wider war because they want to. Israel is a pawn. The US goal is nothing less than world domination.

    Best wishes,

    Ken at sandakan44

    Fascinating idea: that the US is deliberately putting its ships in harm’s way in the Persian Gulf, setting our marines up for a major massacre, thus creating a new Pearl Harbor incident and a pretext for WW3.

  60. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 2, 2012 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “Since you keep asking: I am sure that I HAVE written MUCH BETTER articles than this, at least in terms of credibility and quality of information, if not entertainment value…”

    ☺ ☺ ☺

    It must be a great source of comfort to you to believe you are the star writer on this site, exceeding even Kevin MacDonald for depth of analysis and erudition.

  61. March 1, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    @“Lucy Skipping” a.k.a. “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon”:

    So why is it published all over the internet and received lavish praise from the people who matter?

    I guess you just know how to push people’s buttons. That doesn’t make it useful. Alex Jones gets way more publicity than you’ll ever get and he’s pretty worthless.

    Most people are not very intelligent consumers of information. They tend to believe whatever satisfies them emotionally. So congratulations. You figured out what they wanted to hear and you sucked them in.

    Since you keep asking: I am sure that I HAVE written MUCH BETTER articles than this, at least in terms of credibility and quality of information, if not entertainment value (because I have some critical faculties and I use them: I don’t use direct quotes of unidentifiable blogposters to support my arguments). I just haven’t written on this exact topic.

    As for your positive comments on Press TV, I think that’s the only kind they allow. I’ve posted comments there a couple of times and they don’t show up. That’s how those Muslims are; they tend to regard disagreement as a very bad thing.

  62. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 1, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

    @ Hadding Scott

    I’d love to know what your problem is.

  63. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 1, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “The article is a piece of crap…”

    So why is it published all over the internet and received lavish praise from the people who matter?

    ARMAGEDDON APPROACHES, by Lasha Darkmoon | Darkmoon
    on February 21, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Armageddon Approaches | RevolutionRadio.org
    on February 22, 2012 at 1:11 am

    Armageddon Approaches | THINK BEYOND
    on February 22, 2012 at 1:37 am

    Armageddon Approaches | silveristhenew
    on February 23, 2012 at 4:10 am

    Bombing Iran could be the final nail in the coffin of America. « The Truth is Where?
    on February 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Armageddon Approaches | Pacific Progress
    on February 23, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    In Times of Trial and Uncertainty « The Invisible Opportunity: Hidden Truths Revealed
    on February 24, 2012 at 1:44 am

    ANU News.net Armageddon Approaches
    on February 24, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    The Feast of Trumpets – Part IV « Bible Believers’ Weekly Newsletter
    on February 25, 2012 at 5:02 am

    Attack the System » Blog Archive » Armageddon Approaches
    on February 25, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    What nasty surprises await our warmongers in the Gulf? | SHOAH
    on February 29, 2012 at 5:29 am

    What nasty surprises await our warmongers in the Gulf? | My Catbird Seat
    on February 29, 2012 at 5:52 am

    What nasty Surprises await our Warmongers in the Gulf ? | nsnbc
    on February 29, 2012 at 11:51 am

    What nasty surprises await our warmongers in the Gulf? « IRAN, a New Pearl Harbour
    on February 29, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    tribe.net: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net
    on February 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    What Nasty Surprises Await Our Warmongers In The Gulf?
    on March 1, 2012 at 4:09 am

    “This article is crap…”
    — Hadding Scott, famous author and renowned expert on crap.

  64. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 1, 2012 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    The article is a piece of crap…

    So why can’t you write a better one?

    * * *

    Praise for Dr Lasha Darkmoon:

    INDIAN
    Feb 29, 2012 6:13 PM
    Congratulations “YOU ARE THE BEST”

    alan
    Feb 29, 2012 5:43 PM
    fantastic writing and so so true. i am with you iran

    realtalk
    Feb 29, 2012 5:26 PM
    Best article ever written, makes me feels so good reading it. However russia and china will help iran incase there is war.israel is just a burden to the west.

    Kashful
    Feb 29, 2012 4:34 PM
    Sir, it is one of the most fact-filled article written ever . I love the writer and the article. It is really an eye-opener for all to see – especially the American and British public – and to evaluate what the US or Britain get in return for all the wars that was fought for Israel in the last six decades. I really SALUTE this author. THANK YOU.

    * * *

    “The most important thing I’ve read these last few days is the excellent article ‘Armageddon Approaches’ written by Dr Lasha Darkmoon , a cautionary piece which points the reader towards some very scary background information.”
    — STUART LITTLEWOOD

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229255.html

  65. March 1, 2012 - 7:51 am | Permalink

    @“Lucy Skipping” a.k. “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon”: It’s a predictable reaction. The article is a piece of crap in terms of credibility, and very counterproductive.

  66. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    March 1, 2012 - 7:36 am | Permalink

    Angry email sent by one “Daniel Brown” to our shared computer account. Somehow Daniel’s name found its way onto our ‘To Undisclosed Recipients’ list:

    idiot…….yeah you……sure you much rather see Iran get nukes so they can hold Israel and the rest of the free world hostage……..no doubt your an Arab sympathizer or an outright Marxist…….nothing would please you more than to see that lake running with American blood……..stop sending this trash to my email you anti-zionist pig

    Such unnecessary rudeness. Why don’t people who receive unsolicited emails just ignore them? Lasha and I get roughly 10-12 unsolicited emails every day on the family computer and we don’t mind at all. 99% of these emails are harmless and mostly send links to articles they want us to read.

  67. Arthur Askey's Gravatar Arthur Askey
    March 1, 2012 - 2:21 am | Permalink

    “To achieve victory in Iran, Israel would be stretched to the limit. It would have to deploy several B-2 stealth and B-52 bombers, fighter-bombers and helicopters, ”

    The author is way off here. Israel can never defeat Iran without resorting to the illegal use of it’s undeclared nuclear weapons against an un-armed member of the NNPT. Which is a recognised international crime in itself.

    It is for this reason Israel keeps insisting that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, so they can keep all their ‘options on the table’, which is code-speak for the illegal, immoral first use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear armed state.

    Israel will need to deploy more than ‘several’ bits of hardware to achieve an impossible victory, they’ll need to drag US/NATO in to do the dying on their behalf. The sad thing is members of NATO are already lining up to please Israel over Iran.

    Even then, with 200 war heads they will not destroy the entire country

  68. February 29, 2012 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    “The entire lake will become a killing field…the Gulf will run red with American blood.” — Military specialist Mark Gaffney.

    It is misleading to refer to a self-described peace activist as a “military specialist.” It creates the impression that the man who made that provocative statement is more qualified to make such a prediction than he really is.

  69. February 29, 2012 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Zbigniew Brzesinski opposes war with Iran because of likely side-effects — the situations in Afghanistan and Iraq becoming unmanageable and set off unrest and hatred of the US throughout the region, plus an increase in oil prices — not because Iran would be militarily formidable in itself as “peace activist” Mark Gaffney supposes.

    http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16467

  70. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 29, 2012 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: No, that’s not me. There are lots of Jenses in Scandinavia. Probably a lot more than there are former sex addiction counsellors with psychopathic ex-boyfriends and forensic experts in the family living in England :-)

  71. February 29, 2012 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t have referenced “Russ Winter” either. He seems to be just some guy with a financial newsletter, and no military expert so far as I can tell.

    The essay calls Mark Gaffney a “military specialist.” He identifies himself as a “peace activist” (which means that he has some bias in this matter) with a B.S. in physical science. I would be willing to consider documented claims that Mark Gaffney presents, but “Mark Gaffney says” is really not a good argument. I do notice that Gaffney — in contrast to the unidentifiable “Sam” quoted in the essay — doesn’t categorically exclude the possibility that the SeaRAM, which has replaced the ineffective Phalanx defense-system since 2003, might be effective.

    I would wager that the U.S. Navy probably has better information than both Mark Gaffney and “Sam” as to how effective the SeaRAM would be against Iran’s cruise missiles.

  72. February 29, 2012 - 5:10 pm | Permalink

    @“Lucy Skipping” a.k.a. “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon”:

    You’re just nitpicking. Lasha didn’t call him an “expert”. She called him “astute”.

    What’s the purpose of using a direct quote from somebody that has no special claim to credibility? It’s just some random guy’s opinion, not in any obvious way deserving to be given more weight than anybody else’s opinion — perhaps worth checking out, but not in itself worthy of quoting. It’s not a real source.

  73. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 29, 2012 - 4:57 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    You’re just nitpicking. Lasha didn’t call him an “expert”. She called him “astute”. The fact that he is called “Sam” doesn’t make him non-astute. Do you understand that?

    Sam is astute because he makes an astute comment. In the same way, “Willie” is astute and “Albert” is astute.

    You know why?

    Because Willie wrote Hamlet and Albert discovered the Theory of Relativity.

  74. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 29, 2012 - 4:48 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Franklin – hadding has provided excellent criticism to Lasha. The only criticism I would have of his contribution is that he has been too harsh and hasn’t tempered his views with an appreciation that Lasha is on the same side.
    But without Hadding calling Lasha on the shortcomings, Lasha has no way of knowing how to improve whatever her personal mission is.
    I believe in Lasha, and Hadding. Both have an important part to play if only some structure would appear for them to play it in. However, neither has the crystal ball. It’s a good thing that Hadding can provide his powerful, heartfelt, deeply intelligent and intellectually hard won, insights abotu what will work and what will not work.
    I recommend Hadding’s earlier article to people. I also point Hadding toward my comment about his article that I made at the time. This is a multidimensional challenge we are in, which will require a multidimensional response.

  75. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 29, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Lasha – Franklin is right. You are potentially a huge asset. I know criticism can be hard…particularly when it hits home as a truth. But you must please just focus on the cause itself, and recognize you have gifts that can really make a difference.
    You, with your femininity, arty and creative personality, burning passionate sense of right and wrong, and commitement to the survival of your people: with all this you can reach sections of unawake white society that no one else I have seen can get to.
    It’s important to recognize the criticisms but also important to discard those criticisms at the point at which you no longer agree or perhaps at the point where you understand that the person making the criticism does not have the full information about, perhaps you and your story, or perhaps your strategy.
    An e.g. of what could be a good strategy would be to try to whip up a sense of buzz around the concept of Lasha Darkmoon and her exciting penelepe pitstop sort of life. This could be an excellent strategy for getting more unawake whites involved in subjects they would normally avoid like the plague.
    however…if…if…that was the kind of strategy you had in mind, then the important thing to take away from this is that it just needs improvement in some areas. That’s all.
    Don’t be thinking that anyone who has criticized you has the crystal ball for what will work. Right now nothign is working that well, so if you have a vision, you go for it girl!

  76. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 29, 2012 - 4:34 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    I wish it were different, but the way things are I just don’t think we can afford to worry from a perspective of universal morality.
    Since an attack on Iran is possible, we should be focusing on what ways we can take advantage if (a) there is not an attack on Iran and (b) there is an attack on Iran.

  77. February 29, 2012 - 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Since this stuff is getting spread around quite a bit, it becomes worthwhile to pick it apart some.

    From the essay:

    An astute observer of the military situation has offered this comment:

    Aegis and RAM systems do not stop Sunburn missiles. Those systems were designed to stop subsonic not supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. Even then they were unsuccessful in stopping an Iraqi (subsonic) Exocet when it struck the American warship Stark during the Iran-Iraq war.

    Supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles travel faster than a rifle bullet and it would take no more than three of them to sink an aircraft carrier. In fact, any surface ship is a floating coffin.

    If anyone out there knows of a technology that can stop a rifle bullet in full flight, please let me know what it is.

    The source of that comment is called an “astute observer of the military situation” but on the blog where the comment was originally posted he is identified only as “Sam.” Basically it’s an anonymous commenter on a blog that “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon” is treating as an expert.

  78. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 29, 2012 - 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Article published yesterday on our website for our numerous readers in France. Please consider leaving a comment here, especially if you know French.

    http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/l%E2%80%99amerique-vaincue-par-le-dr-lasha-darkmoon/

    This same translation is soon to appear on numerous French websites. The article, America Vanquished, can also can be found on our site in English and Italian. It is soon to be translated into Persian and put on Iranian websites.

    This is only natural, since Dr Lasha Darkmoon has made it clear that SHE BACKS IRAN UNCONDITIONALLY — IF AMERICA AND ISRAEL FLOUT INTERNATIONAL LAW AND BOMB IRAN ON FALSE PRETEXTS, CAUSING MASSIVE DESTRUCTION OF IRAN’S INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE MASS MURDER OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

    In these circumstances, every true Christian and right-minded non-Christian IS UNDER MORAL OBLIGATION TO BACK IRAN TO THE HILT AND HOPE FOR THE SWIFT DEFEAT OF THE INTERNATIONAL WARMONGERS AND LAWBREAKERS.

    * * *

    Lasha writes to me in a private email:

    I love America, but I love God more. It cannot be God’s will that Iran should suffer defeat and destruction IF IRAN IS INNOCENT, nor can it be his will that America and Israel should terrorize the world and cause widespread loss of innocent human life.

    This is where I stand. This is Truth. Let the liars and the cheats and the warmongers and the killers of little children reap the bitter fruits of their cruelties and crimes.

  79. February 29, 2012 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Hadding Scott doesn’t understand that the couple of cues you gave about your identity were given unintendedly….

    You get today’s prize for being absurdly naive.

  80. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 29, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    Hadding Scott doesn’t understand that the couple of cues you gave about your identity were given unintendedly and at the spur of the moment. That is very human and can happen to anybody. Still I would advise you to be more guarded. Think twice before you post something. For the rest concentrate on your articles, that is your forte.

  81. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 29, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone’s interested, I have been impacted by the Euro.

    I received my yearly bill from State-Wide for car insurance, which went up by more than $300. My broker sent a note for me to call him. He’s seeing if he can get me cheaper car insurance. He says State-Wide was taken over by a company that deals in Euros, called ‘MAPFRE’, which is true, as I received a form letter from State-Wide saying as much, that it is now owed by ‘MAPFRE NY’. In other words, MAPFRE NY is a European company that uses Euros.

    The broker said something that the Euro is worth less than the dollar, so in order to recoup to make up the difference, this is why my formerly State-Wide insurance went up over $300.

  82. February 29, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    It seems to me that the claim about the inexorability of Sunburn missiles is very much outdated. Only the Phalanx defense-system is mentioned in the article but my understanding is that this has been replaced by the much more effective SeaRAM since 2003.

  83. February 29, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping: But you still fall short of the glory of Alex Jones. Let me know when you get invited onto Coast to Coast AM.

  84. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 29, 2012 - 1:54 pm | Permalink

    More praise for Darkmoon on PressTV with enthusiastic comments about her work — not ONE negative comment!

    INDIAN
    Feb 29, 2012 6:13 PM
    Congratulations “YOU ARE THE BEST”

    alan
    Feb 29, 2012 5:43 PM
    fantastic writing and so so true. i am with you iran

    realtalk
    Feb 29, 2012 5:26 PM
    Best article ever written, makes me feels so good reading it. However russia and china will help iran incase there is war.israel is just a burden to the west.

    Kashful
    Feb 29, 2012 4:34 PM
    Sir, it is one of the most fact-filled article written ever . I love the writer and the article. It is really an eye-opener for all to see – especially the American and British public – and to evaluate what the US or Britain get in return for all the wars that was fought for Israel in the last six decades. I really SALUTE this author. THANK YOU.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229255.html

  85. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 29, 2012 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    This article offers fulsome praise fot Dr Lasha Darkmoon:

    “The most important thing I’ve read these last few days is the excellent article ‘Armageddon Approaches’ by Dr Lasha Darkmoon http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/02/armageddon-approaches/ , a cautionary piece which points the reader towards some very scary background information.”
    — British Author Stuart Littlewood

    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/02/what-nasty-surprises-await-our-warmongers-in-the-gulf/

  86. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Spot on.

  87. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 29, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    Can we not stop with the nonsense of these personal attacks on each other and concentrate on the subjects of the articles? Lasha’s articles are brilliant and that is all what matters. If she wants to protect her identity for whatever reason, we should respect that. Stop the bickering already!

  88. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I never said he was the same Jens. He could be another. It’s hardly a crime asking a guy, “Are you the person with the musical background and a grownup son who wants to be an actor?” ☺

  89. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 9:23 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    I will bear these criticisms in mind. There is much truth in what you say.

    Your comment about Jason Speaks, however, hits the nail on the head.

    I’ve said sorry to Jason Speaks. I’ve offered him a full apology and retraction. I hope he accepts it.

    On reflection, many of his criticisms of my position were reasonable and valid ones and they were couched in restrained language, so in a way I am perplexed at the intensity of my own response.

  90. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 29, 2012 - 9:13 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Lasha – and so now you possibly reveal things about Jens that he had not wanted to reveal?

  91. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 6:16 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I don’t think any sane people ever believed Ted Bundy’s claim that pornography made him do it, although it succeeded in getting sympathy from softheaded Christians. Bundy was a consummate manipulator — maybe somebody that you admire in that regard.

    Hadding, please read this. It made a great impression on me. It may help to change your mind.

    http://www.tldm.org/news6/bundy.htm

  92. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 5:54 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    What I what to say to you, Hadding, is this: we writers are seldom normal people. We tend to be neurotics and often get things out of proportion. None of us are model citizens. So make allowances for me please. I have my faults, very serious character defects, but in spite of that I am doing my best to be honest and good.

    I would ask you to judge me by my articles alone. Not by these comments. If I hurt your feelings by anything I said about you, I apologize, but you don’t have to change your mind about me.

    I look forward to your next article. Are you American or English? I would now like to ask you a few questions. No need for long answers. Be brief if possible.

    1. Do you believe in the Holocaust?
    2. Do you believe in the traditional view of 9-11?
    3. Who was the bigger villain in your opinion: Hiter or Stalin?
    4. Why are you so hostile about the Protocols? (I read that Orwell was crazy about it. Read it 20 times. Made it the basis of 1984. I’ve seen it compared to Plato’s Republic.) Do you realy think this treatise is just a “worthless forgery”?
    5. Have you ever been accused of “anti-Semitism” or “racism”? And if so, how do you answer these charges?

    You don’t need to answer these questions if you are too busy, but it would help me to understand you a bit better.

  93. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 29, 2012 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Oh stop it Hadding! I provided you with plenty of clarification.
    Example…in your books if there was a hostile ideological movement in its early stages, would be ok to seek to undermine it through some medium-long term strategy such as – being some sort of intelligent troll? That involves a lot of BS’ing, but doing something like that could be massively changing the odds for our people 10 or 15 years down the line.
    I mean, come on!
    I think maybe you didn’t pick up on what I was trying to signal to Lasha. It involved apparently giving the benefit of the doubt.

  94. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 5:14 am | Permalink

    @Dan:

    I think your characterization, Dr. Darkmoon, of those who pilot and direct drone strike programs is both false and counter-productive for our cause.

    You wrote, “Our courageous remote control warriors, hunched over their keyboards far from the din of battle, may be able to rain down death and destruction on innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, meanwhile salving their consciences by calling their victims ‘terrorists’, but there is nothing they can do with their drones to stop Iran’s deadly missiles from blowing up American aircraft carriers or sinking oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.”

    Yet on many occasions, when American forces kill civilians, the government apologizes profusely….horrible mistakes…are bound to happen in war.

    Drone strikes aren’t intended to kill civilians, but to take out Islamist guerrillas. Making such cynical accusations will only serve to alienate new readers to this website and the larger cause behind it.

    Drone strikes aren’t intended to kill civilians, but to take out Islamist guerrillas.

    That’s just what the government would say, isn’t it? It’s the line taken by the mainstream (Jew-controlled) media. But the facts speak for themselves. Countless articles have been written demonstrating clearly the huge amount of “collateral damage” done by drine strikes.

    For every Islamist guerilla killed, a HUNDRED innocent civilians have been killed also.

    Every day we hear reports of women and children blown to bits in Pakistan, Waziristan, Baluchistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia.

    Haven’t you read these reports?

    Such mindless slaughter of innocents is unacceptable. I don’t care how much the perpetrators of these cowardly atrocities wring their hands in grief later on, when they discover they have blown up yet another batch of innocent civilians. They shouldn’t do it in the first place. Period. It is a violation of the Geneva Convention.

    It would be arguably acceptable if the MAJORITY of people killed by drone strikes were terrorists and if only a small minority were civilians. This is not the case. Most of the victims have been innocent people. Even rescue parties have been targeted—even ambulances and stretcher bearers—even women rushing to gather up the mangled remains of their children.

    ISLAMABAD: In what can only be described as a gross violation of the Geneva Convention, the CIA-sponsored drone campaign in Pakistan has killed dozens of innocent civilians involved in either rescuing injured victims, or partaking in funerals.

    According to a report published by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism with the Sunday Times, between 282 and 535 civilians, including 60 minors, have been credibly reported as killed as a result of drone strikes since US President Barack Obama took office three years ago.

    Noted expert on international law Ahmer Bilal Sufi told The News that the American administration will never be able to fully justify these brutal and illegal attacks

    See: ‘CIA drones deliberately target innocent people’
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=91373&Cat=2

  95. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 29, 2012 - 4:11 am | Permalink

    @Jens:

    You may have a point. The fact that I come out with things like that is probably a fault of character, even though what I said is true. Maybe I ought to give away less.

    BTW, are you the Jens of Swedish origin who has emailed me a few times in the past? The guy with a musical background and a good-looking son with great acting talents?

    If so, I just want you to know that I appreciated the compliments you once gave me. ☺

  96. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 28, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: I liked your last posts, but cut this crap, will ya: “I don’t mind revealing to you that I’ve been a sex addiction counselor.”

    Whether true or not, these are the kinds of statements that make people suspicious of you.

  97. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 28, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Thoughts on the Solitary Vice

    Even seemingly harmless things like pornography/masturbation have very serious, negative ripple effects.

    As you can gather from my previous post, these activities are not “seemingly harmless” at all. To anyone who has investigated thie subject as thoroughly as I have, both pornography and the masturbation that accompanies it are patently and demonstrably harmful.

    I’m afraid there’s no such thing as a happy, well-balanced masturbator who jerks off in moderation and then tucks his little daughter into bed while his beaming wife looks on.

    Recent research has shown that pornographic images become permanently imprinted on the brain, releasing large amounts of naturally occurring chemicals such as dopamine, adrenaline, oxytocin and serotonin into the blood stream. People who view porn obsessively become literally intoxicated. These erototoxins attack the frontal lobes and in time produce brain damage.

    Masturbation a harmless recreational activity? Tell that to Brazilian secretary Ana Catarian Bezerra. “It got so bad I would have to masturbate up to 47 times a day,” she said.

    This unfortunate self-abuser managed to receive special permission from her employers to creep off to the washroom during office hours several times a day. Her colleagues at work thought it most unfair, with Ana getting 10-minute masturbation ten times a day, while the rest of them had to continue working.

    Eventually Ana’s problem was much alleviated by medical attention. She was to receive from her physician a cocktail of tranquilizers that allowed her to cut down from 47 times a day to 18 times. Problem solved. ☺

    There must be something special about the air in Brazil. Because soon after this a 16-year-old boy in the Goias region of Brazil, from Rubiata town, was pronounced dead after masturbating 42 times without stopping.

    The idea that masturbation can be pursued in moderation as a harmless recreational pastime is a fallacy.

    In fact, it’s a false idea systematically promoted by our Jew-controlled media. The people who control the media, after all, are the same people who run the porn industry. It’s in their interests to have a nation of chronic masturbators.

    People who spend all day practising the solitary vice are obviously unfit to mount revolutions and overthrow the corrupt elite.

  98. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 28, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    The roots of misogyny

    Unfortunately we live in an unchaste society, a society that does not even attempt chastity or seem to understand its value, and this leads to all kinds of unnecessary suffering — for men and women. Even seemingly harmless things like pornography/masturbation have very serious, negative ripple effects….Our hyper-sexualized culture will inevitably create many messed up men and women.….

    You are touching on crux of the problem here in bringing together these four interlacing strands: sluttish women, misogynistic men, pornography, masturbation.

    I don’t mind revealing to you that I’ve been a sex addiction counselor. I’ve learned from long and bitter experience that pornography, especially internet porn, is hardly a “harmless” thing. It’s a scourge. It had led to an epidemic of horrific sex addictions, even among children. Four out of every ten internet porn addicts are women. In every case, these crippling sex addictions — as hard to eradicate as heroin addiction — are accompanied by bouts of compulsive masturbation. Not once or twice a day, but all day long, from early morning to late at night.

    A great deal of misogyny is found among men nowadays, particularly among White Nationalists. They believe, not without good reason, that women have let them down. First there’s radical feminism, which is basically misandric (man-hating), and then there’s the Slut Culture that encourages women to dress like tarts and behave like whores. This troubles men deeply: not because men are virtuous and wish to improve these women, but because most men are given to lechery and lust after the very whores they despise. This creates misogyny.

    Pornography only compounds the problem. Chronic masturbation, which follows from porn addiction, makes matters even worse. It creates a blind rage and hatred for women. You see this clearly in the case of serial killer Ted Bundy. His porn addiction eventually turned him into a serial killer.

    So many White Nationalist are misogynists. Porn addiction is heaviest in states like Utah where there are lots of white Christians. What I’m trying to suggest is that there is a direct link between misogyny, porn addiction and chronic masturbation.

    I’ve never met a woman hater who wasn’t also a chronic masturbator and porn addict.

    Men always hate the objects of their unquenchable lust.

  99. February 28, 2012 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    I want to clarify something I wrote:

    I think maybe women reflect men. And men here in America (and other countries) are very far from perfect. So it makes sense that so many men complain about American women; they are seeing a reflection of themselves, and they don’t like it.

    In the last line, “they” = men.

    I should have written:

    So it makes sense that many men complain about American women; they (the men) are seeing a reflection of themselves, and they (the men) do not like what they see.

    It seems, women mirror men. They reflect men. Maybe not. I haven’t studied this or read others’ ideas on this topic. But I have thought about it.

    @Alice Teller:

    Thanks. A part of me wants to love and be loved by everyone. And I think that is why I sometimes apologize — our world is full of sin. And it gets in the way of heavenly love for and from everyone.

    These days I’m more aware of the seemingly ever-present nature of sin, and I’m more aware of how much sin is in the average moment. My sin, your sin, everyone’s sin — and so I do offer genuine apologies once in a while in my comments — because I figure we’re all weighed down by sin.

    Miscommunication and misunderstandings abound.

  100. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 28, 2012 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    conscience

  101. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 28, 2012 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    You have done nothing which requires forgiveness. We must each follow our own judgement and conscious.

  102. February 28, 2012 - 11:53 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    But Hadding…I perceive…is not good at hearing explanations or at hearing criticism of his own position.

    You advocate bullsh-tting people. There has been no point in my life at which I would have thought that was okay. More specifically you think it’s wonderful to have somebody on TOO bullsh-tting to us and for us. I wrote a whole essay for TOO about why that’s wrong. Maybe you ought to check it out.

  103. February 28, 2012 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi Mrs. Teller

    Your comment was not written for me. But I want to respond anyway. I hope you will forgive me for asking questions directed at Lasha Darkmoon. I consider you a friend and a very wise person. And I mean no disrespect to you by asking Lasha some questions and interacting with her.

    I’m undecided about her — and that is partly because I don’t want to get in the middle of the heated discussion/debate.

    Sometimes I feel so much love everyone. Like it is flowing through me. I was watching a video of some new bombing in the Middle East, and I couldn’t understand what the Middle Eastern camera man was saying. But he was fearful (an amateur home video) and his fear touched me.

    I love White people and put us first, but I want to love everyone.

    My comment (here) is off topic, but sometimes I have to express my love for others — hopefully that’s a good thing for this movement. Hopefully I’m channeling it in a constructive way.

  104. February 28, 2012 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    I appreciate your taking time to respond.

    I really do. I think it is possible that you are who you say you are, and if that is the case, then I feel bad for what you have endured in the comments section under this article. I admit that I like and respect some of the commenters who are skeptical about your claims. But I don’t want to get involved, I don’t really feel emotionally or intellectually invested in this particular debate/discussion. Hopefully truth and peace will come of it all.

    You wrote:

    You are absolutely correct about the number of women who falsely accuse men, not only of rape, but of sexual harassment. These women feed the flames of misogyny. Radical feminism does that also.

    I wish these women could behave themselves. They give all women a bad name. Unfortunately, Richard, women are imperfect creatures…like men.

    When men are perfect, expect women to be perfect too.

    I love the last line. That really struck me, and it’s something I’ve been thinking about myself. I think maybe women reflect men. And men here in America (and other countries) are very far from perfect. So it makes sense that so many men complain about American women; they are seeing a reflection of themselves, and they don’t like it.

    Unfortunately we live in an unchaste society, a society that does not even attempt chastity or seem to understand its value, and this leads to all kinds of unnecessary suffering — for men and women. Even seemingly harmless things like pornography/masturbation have very serious, negative ripple effects. They are all around us, woven into the fabric of each moment.

    Our hyper-sexualized culture will inevitably create many messed up men and women, a lot of brokenness. Some of it can be observed from the outside, but much of it can’t really be measured by observation — a lot of internal suffering. Massive amounts. The size of galaxies.

    I’ve been thinking about these issues off and on for months now, and it keeps getting clearer to me. So the last line (in your italicized statement above) really resonated with me.

  105. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 28, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink
  106. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 28, 2012 - 9:51 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Thanks for getting back to me. I will not give one more line of attention to this exercise in narcissism. If you like, email me at aliceteller@hotmail, or we may pick up the conversation under another heading.

  107. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 28, 2012 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I don’t think I go out of my way to reveal details about my personal life. It’s mostly in response to questions that I impart information. I’d prefer it if I was not asked. But if someone asks, you have to say something out of politeness.

    Recently my cousin was asked a question about me on our poetry blog by one of our readers. Without thinking, he offered a long account about my early years and adventures in foreign lands…my education and background. I was appalled when I read it. I got him to delete it at once. It had been online for an hour. Only one reader was quick enough to spot it.

    I think this proves conclusively that I am not hungry for attention. If I sought publicity, would I remain anonymous and refuse all radio interviews?

    Here is an exchange of comments from our website which validates all I say:

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    February 13, 2012 at 1:22 am

    @ Montecristo, I know I am not losing my mind! But, wasn’t there a comment on Dr. Lasha Darkmoon posted today on this site? I went back again to check it out, all of the sudden it did disappeared. Why was that? Is it out of security concern for Lasha’s ? Inquiring mind wants to know!

    Reply

    Montecristo says:
    February 13, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I was asked to delete the comment by Ms Darkmoon. She thought the comment, giving away confidential information about her personal life and background, would be of no interest to readers of this site.

    “Don’t wash my clean linen in public!” she told me.

    So, please forget anything you read, Mahmoud. I was indiscreet. That comment was an error of judgement on my part.

    http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/my-zionist-uncle-by-anonymous-female/

  108. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 28, 2012 - 7:18 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Hi Lasha

    You wrote:

    Millions of women are stalked and raped every year. Only a small percentage are believed. Their assailants very seldom get caught.

    Do you have solid evidence for all three of the sentences in this claim?

    Richard, the evidence is overwhelming. I don’t know the exact statistics, but it’s something like this: “Only ONE in TEN rapes will get reported, and only ONE in TWENTY men who appear in court on rape charges will get convicted.”

    If a man rapes a woman nowadays, the chances of him getting away with it are extremely high.

    As for solid evidence of the systematic abuse and violence to which women are exposed, how about this for a start:

    o 45% of women have experienced some form of domestic violence, sexual assault or stalking.1
    o Around 21% of girls, experience some form of child sexual abuse2
    o At least 80,000 women suffer rape every year.3
    o In a survey for Amnesty International, over 1 in 4 respondents thought a women was partially or totally responsible for being raped if she was wearing sexy or revealing clothing, and more than 1 in 5 held the same view if a woman had had many sexual partners.4
    o On average, two women a week in England and Wales are killed by a violent partner or ex-partner. This constitutes nearly 40% of all female homicide victims.5
    o 70% of incidents of domestic violence result in injury, (compared with 50% of incidents of acquaintance violence, 48% of stranger violence and 29% of mugging).6
    o Around 85% of forced marriage victims are women7
    o Domestic violence is estimated to cost victims, services and the state a total of around £23 billion a year.8

    Globally

    o At least one in three women is beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused by an intimate partner in the course of her lifetime.9
    o Women aged 15-44 are more at risk from rape and domestic violence than from cancer, motor accidents, war and malaria, according to World Bank data.10
    o Approximately 80,000 women suffer rape and attempted rape every year 11
    o More than 60 million women are “missing” from the world today as a result of sex-selective abortions and female infanticide (Amartya Sen, Nobel Laureate)
    o Several global surveys suggest that half of all women who die from homicide are killed by their current or former husbands or partners.

    http://www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/Resources/violence_against_women

  109. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 28, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    A lot lot of men on the internet say they have been falsely accused of rape — and that is a form of psychological/social abuse.

    You are absolutely correct about the number of women who falsely accuse men, not only of rape, but of sexual harassment. These women feed the flames of misogyny. Radical feminism does that also.

    I wish these women could behave themselves. They give all women a bad name. Unfortunately, Richard, women are imperfect creatures…like men.

    When men are perfect, expect women to be perfect too.

  110. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 28, 2012 - 6:17 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: @Richard:

    Richard wrote “Why would you tell us the real full name of your cousin and his job? If you cared about remaining anonymous as much as you say you do, then why do you give so many details about your personal life?”

    Lasha – this is the problem. I also mentioned the problem of implausibility or inconsistency.
    If someone wanted to protect their identity they would obviously not reveal family members or employers or their next door neighbour’s address.
    So why are doing this? Why are you behaving inconsistently such that the result in the readers mind is suspicion that you are making everything else up?

  111. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 28, 2012 - 6:00 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice – I wake up from sleeping and it’s a new day :O) But look..I’ve been thinking about discord and so on. One cause – I think – is because too many people have too much invested into commenting. What I mean is…some energy could and should be put into other activities that support the cause.

    The bugster ideas look like a good outlet for energy. Alternatively, if people want to engage their intelligence and learn a bit about this ‘troll’ subject…they should try being one…an intelligent one. There are lots of embryonic philosphical or intellectual movements – easy to spot, dominated by Jewish folk, selling memes that in one way or another make it hard for whites to get back on their feet.

    When you actually do a medium-long term intelligent troll, you see it from the other side, and this really helps in understanding what can and what can’t be done about, and what approaches are best.

    The bottom line is – as we are seeing here – most harm is not done by the troll…it is done by everyone else. The worst harm is done by individuals who support whatever the cause is, but have awkward alienating personalities.

    I’ve been working medium-long term against a philosophical movement, where a fairly well known academic regularly joins in and happens to be the root of the problem. What I’ve discovered is that because one of his strongest supporters is probably a latent psychopath (i.e. sociopath traits not fully realized due to, say, having had a good childhood), all I have had to do is make sure he’s at the centre of things as much as possible. Just with his awful personality he drives everyone away and undermines the philosphy much more effectively than a troll ever could.

    I don’t know…maybe Hadding would call doing something like that – using lies, pretense, misdirection and so on to prevent a hostile philosophy getting traction…..maybe that’s crooked to him. I don’t really understand where he was coming from in saying that. I don’t think he understood where I was comning from.

    Not all people are able or willing to understand…almost all people tend to have quite fixed thinking after a certain point in life. it’s just the way we are as humans. I definitely don’t hold it against Hadding. I definitely agree with Hadding that the most important thing about this site is to encourage newcomers and give people ideas about what they can do to help.

    But Hadding…I perceive…is not good at hearing explanations or at hearing criticism of his own position. So he’s at a stage in life where his views are fixed, he thinks he’s got it all worked out, and he’s keeping the hand he’s got. That’s not a problem. Sometimes it works out that some person with some fixed hand is exactly what is needed. If that person is then in a position to be influential or a leader, then the advantage of being fixed is that they are incorruptible. That’s also good.
    As people get older – into their late 60’s and 70’s – their value because that of fixed knowledge and wisdom. It has a lot of value…it’s a lifetime of effort. Not all old men are wise of course…some are corrupt and stupid and evil. But those that are, and those that have relevant knowledge and wisdom, need to be respected and heard from, and any shortcomings relating to being a bit inflexible and not good at taking on new ideas…should be overlooked.

    I think Hadding is definitely in the wise/knowledgeable and relevant category.

  112. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 28, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    Michael Hoffman can always be relied upon to know the Jewish mind inside out. It’s hair-raising how these Jews think.

    Even in ghostly apparitions, they call the ghost ‘anti-Semitic’. Here, I’ll explain.

    I like watching this program on TV called ‘Ghostly Encounters’ wherein ordinary people talk about their encounters with apparitions and the paranormal. Every single story I have ever heard about ghosts and the paranormal, no matter where I’ve heard these stories, the person simply explains the experience as a ghostly apparition or a paranormal encounter.

    Except for tonight’s episode of ‘Ghostly Encounters’, where they had on a Yiddish woman who told her story. She believed the apparition was persecuting them because they were Jewish — and that the ghost was ‘anti-Semitic’ ! And she believed this too.

    Seems when she was a child her parents rented a house in Montreal, in an area that had a French Catholic population. Indeed, in the house there were pictures of saints hung on the walls, which of course immediately had to come down.

    As a child she saw an apparition of a dark figure that showed itself to her once or twice, plus a strange small rectangular light that shown on the wall, the source of which she could not identify. The family also saw the figure when they drove up to their door one day and saw the dark figure outside their house, wherein the father told them they all would sit in the car for some time, until deemed safe to go in, even after the apparition disappeared.

    But the main event came one Sedar night with the Sedar plate, a time when certain things are placed on the table that had to do with the bitterness of being in the desert 40 years.

    The woman (still a child) remembered seeing a knife rise in the air and fall heavily upon the Sedar plate and breaking it.

    After the re-enactment of all these events, the woman was shown and explained this was an anti-Semitic ghost that was persecuting them and trying to disrupt the ‘sanctity of their Jewish home’. (All their rituals are based on ritualistic magic, including the way they keep their homes clean. It’s all ritual.)

    So: Moral of the story: The Jews have figured they will have to pursue the non-Jews even in the afterlife, as they are likely to encounter anti-Semitic ghosts on the next plane of existence!

    This was the FIRST TIME I’ve ever heard ghostly encounter stories coming from a strictly Jewish person….and it boggled my mind all she could say was that the ghost was anti-Semitic. lolll It’s too much! The Jews are insane!

  113. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 27, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Herr Eckstein:
    OK – I guess I can buy into the gigawatts per micosecond concept, but you still agree you are hurling the weight of two fullen laden 1 mile long, 22 million pound trains downrange and are accelerting them to 25 times the speed of sound in microseconds? Even at high density it would still be at least 1/10 of a mile long and the size of a train – the reaction of the ship, the heat, the tsunami it kicks up would be its own Armagedden.
    If it can really be done it would obliterate anything.

  114. Henry A. Eckstein's Gravatar Henry A. Eckstein
    February 27, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    As per Anglo Saxon’s comments:

    The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics STILL applies here.

    On a technical basis you are indeed correct IF we were talking about continuous output.
    We are NOT….using an analogy, if you have 10 tonnes of water going through a one inch pipe
    in 1 second…that would be an ENORMOUS amount of force applied MOMENTARILY against a small space.

    Take the same amount of water and force it through a pipe 200 feet in diameter in 24 HOURS.
    Same volume of water BUT there are totally different amounts of MOMENTUM/FORCE applied against
    ANY SINGLE POINT within a given 3D space at any specific time.

    Watts = Volts x Amps

    Since we are NOT talking ***GigaWatt Hours*** but rather Gigawatt Microseconds,
    total energy stored is actually quite miniscule and NOT Multi-Hoover Dam amounts.
    My math should be taken with a bit of grain of salt as it describes TOTAL AGGREGATE
    ENERGY EQUIVALENTS when scaled and compared to what could be the normal Watt/Hours
    that many are familiar with. Divide by a factor 10^6 and the wattage ranges
    get more into line with modern gas-turbine technologies that are available
    as ship-board power supplies.

    Do remember that we are FORCING POTENTIAL ENERGY (Y number of amps) down a wire at X number of volts
    in Z-number of microseconds, discharging VERY QUICKLY and very POWERFULLY into a small Hi-K coil…you
    basically get an EMP-like event which is basically an electromagnetic shock-wave that if TIMED in SERIES
    just happens to be USEFUL as a linear induction system upon a SMALL volume of space (i.e. the Tungsten Rod)
    that REQUIRES that POTENTIAL EM ENERGY to be transformed into absolute forward motion upon another object
    (i.e. the Tungsten rod get to Mach 25+!).

    The biggest issue is getting thin-film capacitors that can discharge in the micro-second range
    and not burn out after N-number of discharge/re-charge cycles. Recharge times are somewhat irrelevant
    so long you have enough capacitor banks cycling through their recharge cycles to give you the desired
    fire-response time. While once capacitor bank is discharging…the others are recharging and
    that MULTIPLE levels of minutely timed “Rest and Recuperation cycles over Many Capacitor Banks”
    is what allows high rates of fire.

    This ain’t new…its been KNOWN FOR DECADES…its just that Hi-K EM coils that don’t burn out
    and thin-film capacitors with high-amperage/high voltage/short discharge times have just RECENTLY
    become available…and again….this is COTS (Common Off The Shelf) technology.

    The only thing NEW is the foamed ceramic with a sputtered tungsten casing to keep projectile costs down
    to reasonable levels affordable to any given military…

    ====

    AND FINALLY TO TELL YOU ALL WHY US EGGHEADS HAVE TO DO ALL THIS CRAP JUST TO GET L***!!!!!

    It all about power and greed and what AMERICA stands for:

    The pursuit of whatever the heck damn well pleases us even IF the rest of the world
    has to pay through the nose for our indiscretions….AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT DON’T BLAME ME CUZ I’M JUST DOIN’ MY OWN THING!

    Don’t blame muslims, jews, christians, russians, israelis, iranians, whatever…BLAME AMERICA…cuz
    all of you want cheap sh** all the time and everytime…and since SOMEONE has to PAY for all that…
    (since it ain’t gonna be ME – typical American!) it means the rest of the world WILL be paying
    in their blood sweat and tears….just so our TV’s have more dots-per-inch, our trucks can have
    bigger tires….AND MORE OF US (YOU!)…can snort white powder up your noses and drink
    yourselves STOOOPID cuz you hate yer boring crap-ass jobs and hate yer fast-assed
    wives/husbands/kids so much!

    To PARAPHRASE & RADICALLY CHANGE a long quote from a
    certain movie aka TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE….

    This is how it all works:

    Let me explain to you how this works: you see,
    the corporations finance Team America, and then
    Team America goes out and blows S*** up… and
    the corporations sit there on their A****…
    in their corporation buildings, and…
    and, play with themselves and see,
    being all corporation-y… and of course,
    they’re here to make only ONE THING: M-O-N-E-Y.

    And after all that….their CEO’s then get to
    diddle their secretaries or the poolboy! SEEE HOW IT ALL WORKS!
    Money & Sex Go together like Flies and Sh** – ya can’t have one
    without the other!

    And when Our Sh** hits Your Fan, y’all get sprayed…BUT GOOD!

    ====

    Another Quote: Hey, terrorist! Terrorize this!

    3rd Quote:

    America, f*** yeah! Comin’ again to save the mother******* day, yeah!
    America, f*** yeah! Freedom is the only way, yeah!
    Terrorists, your game is through, ’cause now you have to answer to
    America, f*** yeah! So lick my butt and s*** on my b****!
    America, f*** yeah! What you gonna do when we come for you now!

    Again….Who Ya’ Gonna Call?

    Thass right….

    A-M-E-R-I-C-A

    to save yo mofo a** !!!!!!

  115. February 27, 2012 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose: Thank you for that link about “the Jason Speaks” reference by Hoffman, blue rose.

    At bottom of that piece those Yids make a nice metaphorical argument for why we hapless goyim should stay way clear of their parasitic tribe:

    “…[G]entiles are referred to as “wicked waters” while Jews are akin to fire. Naturally, when fire and water mix the water extinguishes the fire. However, when there is an iron barrier between them, for example, water in a pot, then on the contrary, the fire cooks and evaporates the water. Similarly, if one has connections to a gentile the gentile can, God forbid, extinguish the fire in the soul. However, if one is separated in all matters then the Jewish soul will triumph.”

    How ’bout that? I’d guess the protective “iron barrier” that has had the Jew boiling us goyim, unable to extinguish their fire, is Christianity. Remove that slave religion, that barrier, and have the goyim realize that it serves the Jew, not them, and the proverbial Jew fire has no chance to continue boiling us — sort of like the opposite of the Jew’s Holocaust® fable. We need our own word for how we’ll deprogram our people from the Jew-spawned slave religion.

    Blue rose, you spoke for me describing how your reach exceeded your grasp when teacher’s sentence diagramming got into the finer points of participles, declension and such. I defer to Hadding on such matters.

  116. February 27, 2012 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Hi Lasha

    You wrote:

    Millions of women are stalked and raped every year. Only a small percentage are believed. Their assailants very seldom get caught.

    Do you have solid evidence for all three of the sentences in this claim?

    A lot lot of men on the internet say they have been falsely accused of rape — and that is a form of psychological/social abuse.

    My cousin John Scott Montecristo, a retired forensic expert and style analyst, has convinced me that your style of writing is totally different from the style of my psychopathic ex-boyfriend.

    Why would you tell us the real full name of your cousin and his job? If you cared about remaining anonymous as much as you say you do, then why do you give so many details about your personal life?

    I’m not suggesting you are dishonest in your comments. I don’t know enough to make a judgement. Honestly, I’m not that concerned. But something about your recent comment prompted me to write this response. I don’t have strong feelings about you, good or bad.

  117. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 27, 2012 - 4:56 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    As to whether you are a Zionist troll or not, working in collusion with other Zionists infiltrators on this site, that is still very much an open question.

    Right now, I am no longer sure what you are. You remain an enigma to me.

    Are you a Jew masquerading as a White Nationalist?

    There’s always the possibility that this is what you are, because almost everything you say is an exoneration of the Jews: an attempt to get Jews off the hook.

    The only time you really come alive is when something really damaging is said about Israel or Jews.

    Hence your 120 posts badmouthing Rachel Corrie.

    Hence your opposition to 9/11 conspiracy theories and any suggestion that Israel and organized Jewry in America were behind 9-11.

  118. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 27, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: @Mickey Meadows:
    Gentlemen, I ask you both to step away from this ill-begotten thread and rethink your positions. You are talking past each other, principles vs tactics, generalities vs particulars. I ask you both to consider that this is fruit of the poisoned tree. Has any goodness, wisdom or insight been gained here? Any fences mended?

    I ask you both, as intelligent men who have much to offer, to find a way to some common ground. Hadding is certainly correct that damage has been done here, as it always is, with affirmative action hires. This is not the correct forum.

    Mickey is correct that, in general, with must learn to recognize talent and encourage it without demanding perfection and complete agreement in every particular.

    If any good is to come of this we must all learn to find something we can agree on and work toward.

  119. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 27, 2012 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    Full apology and retraction

    You must understand that I am a kind and friendly person who only attacks when I am attacked first. I attack only in self-defense. I did this in your case. If you are a rational person, as I believe you are, you will admit that you have been on the offensive with me from day one: first my bin Laden article, then my Rachel article, now my Iran article.

    You need to be careful what you say. If you suggest that I am an Al-Qaeda supporter who longs for the destruction of America at the hands of Russia and China, or that I’m a hater of America who wants to see American soldiers get blown to pieces in the Persian Gulf, you can’t expect me to take these insults lying down. These are provocations, Jason.

    My attack on you was therefore a counter-attack. If you don’t want me to attack you in future, don’t attack me first.

  120. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 27, 2012 - 4:50 pm | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    Full apology and retraction

    Jason Speaks: I’ve had time to reflect on the war of words we’ve have been waging and I now wish to offer you a sincere, humble and unconditional apology for hurting your feelings. I should have exercised more restraint. So, once again: full apologies.

  121. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 27, 2012 - 4:19 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – fine..we understand eachother then

  122. February 27, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: I don’t regret what I said at all. You are a crook, and you’re a disgrace to the cause that you allegedly support. You damage its credibility.

    We really didn’t get into such dire straits by being too honest: on the contrary.

  123. February 27, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Hands Off Iran

  124. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 27, 2012 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – hopefully you thought better after posting this. But, actually yes, I think the term ‘by hook or by crook’ is apt.

    I’m sorry if you are taking all of this in the wrong way. I definitely value morality and aspire to integrity. But this is like, we’re in a progressive genocide dude…and the way it looks right now it’s going to go all the way.

    I mean..in WWII our secret services got up to all kinds of skullduggery. You wouldn’t say to one of them “Sir, you are a crook”. They did what they did for their people. Motive is everything. If an English girl slept with fat old Italians or Germans to get information vital to the war effort, would you say “Madam you are a prostitute”. No..she’d be a heroine, right?

  125. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 27, 2012 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – I do, I see it. I have supported your position on that. But another way to do real harm is by sapping people. I really think it is important to assume that everyone else is a ‘work in progress’ as well as oneself. They are not there yet at where they need to be. Harshness in this environment is a bad idea because you can’t see the person to get their measure. On balance it’s better not to do harm. That person could be weak now but maybe has it them to be the leader that changes everything. Maybe a too harsh word now could be the difference. You might say that a potential great leader would not be so soft, but that’s not true…people change. Especially people who reluctantly come because they see that they can’t not.
    The way I see it, although this would be wish washy thinking in most other circumstances the extraordinary situation of this one makes it not so. We all have to somehow become much more than we are if we are going to do our duty. I mean..I’m really struggling. As far as I’m concerned if I don’t pull through I’m going to be dying in shame even if no one else knows about it. I will know.

  126. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 27, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Well, I might as well add my 2 cents at this point, now that the energy has shifted and is becoming clearer.

    EXAMINING THE MONIKER “JASON SQUEAKS”

    When I first saw the name ‘Jason Speaks’ I would not decide if he meant it as ‘Jason says’ or what.

    Now, way, way above I posted an article by Michael Hoffman, entitled “Fatima Rabbi Mayer Schiller’s Skver Sect Teaches its Children to Hate Non-‘Jews': ‘Gentiles are wholly evil. They spiritually pollute the world’ ”

    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/02/fatima-rabbis-hate-cult-entire-essence.html

    I don’t know if anyone bothered to read Hoffman’s article, but if they had they would have noticed the inclusion of Jewish name ‘Jacob Speaks’. Now it appears all too likely that ‘Speaks’ is a Jewish name.

    You will find the paragraph (below) at the link above, about 3/4’s of the way down.

    “Once, in middle of the night, The Perfumed Bed {the author of the book Arugot Haboshem} sent a messenger to his son, the Jacob Speaks {i.e., the author of the book Vayagid Yaakov}, requesting he should immediately come over. He quickly came running and the Perfumed Bed {the author of the book Arugot Haboshem} looked upon him and told him he can now leave. He only called upon him since a gentile doctor was there earlier and he didn’t want that the last thing he sees before he sleeps to be a gentile, so he called him only to take a look at him.”

  127. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    February 27, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    EXAMINING THE MONIKER “JASON SQUEAKS”

    The best approach for deciphering the enigma that is “Jason Squeaks” is to simply assume it is a moniker that has been attached limpet like to this website for malicious reasons. And that it likely provides cover for more than one writer / commenter. That would explain the rather astonishing change of writing style witnessed over the past several months.

    The mean timing of many of JS posts suggest a geographic location outside of the United States, and to the east of France. The inference is that a likely location for “Jason Shrieks” is Israel. But of course, that is only my guess, but nevertheless one based on patient and precise observation.

    As we have seen on several previous occasions, when put under moderate pressure, our resident ‘Shriek’ soon resorts to bitch slapping or swinging handbags at detractors. He contributes little of substance; yet despite this obvious fact (confirmable by carefully examining the TOO archives) he posts a disproportionate volume of comments, and still manages to attract admirers. And the bulk of his comments are responses or objections directed towards other commenters … as if he is addicted to making personal appeals or engaging in mutual back scratching under the cover of anonymity. He (she?) also tends to berate or nitpick the comments of others as if he has a medical need to act out contrariness.

    Jason Shrieks should have been banned from the TOO website back in early 2011, but it is my guess our TOO moderators do not (yet) have the tools to implement such a ban. If a ban is not to most visitors’ tastes, then perhaps he should be limited to no more than 3 comments per article. That way we would see Comment threads progressing more intelligently, maturely, and with far greater wit.

    About 18 months ago I performed a simple survey of his ubiquity and found that Jwason Thpeaks was ‘contributing’, to a small number of articles, over 20 percent of the total comments posted. But that in a very high proportion of others, this mentally disturbed sentinel was posting over 10 percent of the total number of comments … all by himself (ho hum). This kind of ubiquity is surely symptomatic of mental illness; whether or not he is a fluke individual or whether this moniker is indeed hiding multiple writers with this silly moniker acting as a ‘front cover’ for a forlorn yet well-funded hasbarah operation.

    To be frank, I simply skip past most if not all his ‘contributions’ but one still has to recognize his presence does continue to contaminate this well intentioned and much needed website.

    Jwason Squeaks knows I am his (her/) nemesis. I succeed is smacking his puerile ass, and in public, every time I turn my attention to this problem. Perhaps my recent absence has saddened him, as he (she?) appears to have a masochistic streak that I am relied upon to fulfill. I must also assume he is religious as his prayers for personal safety have thus far been heeded by his Yahweh. But I have total contempt for Yahweh also, so on a good day, I might succeed in taking them both out … thus doing a big favour for the human race.

    Angelsächsisch

  128. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 27, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    @Henry A. Eckstein: Herr Eckstein: According to your figures, each capacitor would require 10 gigawatts recharge in one second.
    (100,000 amps x 100,000 volts = 10 gigawatts)
    The maximum output of the Hoover Dam is 2 gigawatts.
    So, it would require 5 Hoover Dams for each of the 120 capacitors to be mounted on your ship?
    Obviously impossible, but in 60 seconds you need to discharge 10 x 60 (# of secs) x 120 (# of capacitors) gigawatts (72,000 GW) of power in one minute, or 1200 gwh, aka 1200 million KWH – 24 million dollars of electricity alone at nuclear power generation costs of 2 cents per kwh- neccesitating generation and storage, assuming the ship doesn’t tip over (start spinning!) after throwing 180,000 x 281 pounds downrange in 60 seconds!
    If you could lauch 50 million pounds of iron and tungsten off a ship in 60 seconds, at 25 times the speed of sound, you would deserve to win any war!
    (For those paying attention, a individual rail car fully loaded weighs about 90 tons, a full train stretching a mile has about 125 rail cars. (22 million pounds chugging down the tracks at 1/10 the speed of sound) He is saying he would launch slightly over two such mile long trains (equivalent in weight) off the deck of a ship in 60 seconds, launching them at 25 times the speed of sound in microseconds!)
    My God that would be impressive!
    Do you agree Herr Eckstein?

    You could slice through Tel-Aviv and restore the desert in one 60 second series of shots!

  129. Alfred's Gravatar Alfred
    February 27, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    What a productive conversation storm….the movement is beggining to seriously shape its claws I see…well …something to be discussed …a doctorate does not substitute the lonely hard working into studying the classics to pour through your own tragedy and for that all you need is will, perseverance and necessity…thus it is the personal effort and self sacrifice which ultimately bring on the wonder to listen and prospect the invisible into attempting to perfect an everlasting epiphany….and then you have to teach yourself the art of crafting words to the tune of each intuitive meaningful symbolism…and I am sure that Miss Lasha has plenty of each of those in her character..after all , one’s character is his destiny…unfortunately what we have here is the necessity to shape a productive political movement that can translate into an effective action…a political action…not a violent demeanoring one….infighting is not healthy if not based in political expediency and logical arguments…that is comunication people…the message has to be spread and it only can be when is loaded with FACTS….science…aletheia…bring forth to the light what is hidden!!!!…so I would agree that a more factual based arguments are essential to build a solid case for the cause…on the other side…the terrible XX century has passed away and still seems like that it never passed …an incoming cloudy weather is shuning away the american bright blue sky…history repeats itself by never repeating itself…the demise of a perceived ruler class at the strongest position as utterly their weakest possible hour (peak is the beggining of the descent) is the only certain outcome…time plays as king of all the events…and time is now up to this particular ruler class narrative…playing with fire always bring fire onto yourself…who does hurt with iron ,with iron will be surely hurt..that is what this lovely lady is trying to bring forth…do not mesmerize yourselves by dwelling so cowardly with her feelings and begin to move to next step…a pro active posture is necessary to bring more people to the ugly truth about the conditions of the current moment in american history and her stand…

  130. February 27, 2012 - 1:45 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: I mean, goddamn, how can you not see that it hurts our cause when somebody is obviously full of malarky?

  131. February 27, 2012 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: What you are saying, Mickey Meadows, is that you are a crook, and not even a clever crook, because you are openly announcing your approbation of deceit. Even HAC doesn’t do that, to the best of my recollection, although his followers do. I’ll know not to take you very seriously in the future.

  132. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 27, 2012 - 1:32 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    It’s a different standard. I don’t think lower…I would say appropriate. What it means is, if someone is following some strategy in our interests, the question of whether the approach was producing, would be of a higher priority than the question of whether deceit/bs/misdirection was used in its accomplishment.
    It’s not a free pass, as the tongue in cheek line suggests. It would have to be ‘right kind’ of BS…and I suppose the criteria of ‘right kind’ could be highly prescriptive.
    But yeah…all said and done I definitely think the only morality that is immutable is that we will have the steel to do, and see done, whatever it will have to be that are descendents will be beautiful, joyful, and free.

  133. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 27, 2012 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    @Lew:

    “So, assuming you too favor Whites separating themselves from Jews at the earliest realistic opportunity, can I ask where do you suggest they go if not Israel? ”

    I would suggest the Congo so they can be with their fellow sufferers-in-law, the blacks. If the Jews spent so much money and energy giving blacks power in America then I figure they would be honored to live among them in one of their own countries.

    On a less sarcastic note, the solution isn’t giving them a nation of their own, but forcing them to integrate and give up their so-called “Jewishness.” Our goal should be to miscegenate them out of existence so that there are no more rabbis or synagogues.

    Any Jewish nation is a bad idea because, again, they will use it as a base of operations and as a sanctuary for their criminals. Israel is the nation that Jewish communists and gangsters flee to, and it’s the nation that sends Mossad terrorists to murder scientists. Any Jewish nation will be inherently dangerous, hostile, and war-like.

  134. February 27, 2012 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

    @Anty Ep:

    And I don’t want to sound like a “concern troll” but yes I have that as a “concern” about some of these debates that get going in cyberspace burning up valuable time and energy.

    I can relate to the first part of your (italicized) sentence. I think that a lot of people who get labeled “troll” are actually just people who can’t help but care.

    I’ve been called a “troll” before, on another website, and I certainly wasn’t trying to be a “troll”. I was trying to bring some much-need, neglected perspectives to an important issue.

    It was a liberal news site, and I was one of the few people questioning the supposed goodness of homosexuality and “gay” “rights”.

    My comments came from a loving place. And I get upset when I see good-intentioned people labeled as “trolls”.

    Having said that, I do think it is possible that some people get a thrill out of disrupting consensus, or find some other reason to bring doubt and general chaos into the mix.

  135. February 27, 2012 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Wartime morality applies..if the motive is the cause….then the question is not whether something is or isn’t bullshit, but whether it’s the right kind of bullshit.

    Uh, low standards there, boy.

  136. Rich Pearson's Gravatar Rich Pearson
    February 27, 2012 - 11:45 am | Permalink

    Jason Speaks said

    Although Pearson has made some good posts, he is knee-deep in that reptile-people-ruling-the-world junk, and he turns verbally vicious towards anyone who points out flaws, which is the reason for his antagonism toward me and half the posters here. I don’t like people using white advocacy as a vehicle for goofball theories they got from some disreputable website.

    Now he’s just full on lying. I for one have never said anything about “lizard people” or “Rense” or any “conspiracy theories” but merely to point out that it is Jason Speaks himself who regularly talks about “lizard people” “Rense” and “conspiracy theories” (also, “Alex Jones”) whenever anyone criticizes Israel or Jews too harshly – specifically, and especially, anyone pointing out Israeli complicity in the attacks of 9/11.

    Interestingly, in the last 2 years, Jason Speaks has gone from denying any involvement by Israel in the 9/11 attacks, to admitting foreknowledge last year, to this current thread, where he admits they may have “provided some behind-the-scenes logistical support.”

    I suspect what angers Jason Speaks the most is that I remember what he has posted in the past and call him on it. It’s a consistent pattern of hasbara – any discussion of Israeli malfeasance is met with cries of “you’re crazy” “conspiracy theories” and, most amusingly, “lizard people.”

    I also have pointed out that Jason Speaks engaged in constant “concern trolling” or “gatekeeping” where he feigns great concern over certain topics (virtually always topics critical of Israel/Jews) as “bad for us.”

    I think a review of our comments in this thread is enough to illustrate his pattern of behavior.

  137. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    February 27, 2012 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    I think it is wonderful that a writer pops up with a lot of interesting and well written articles like “lasha darkmoon.” I also find myself feeling dubious about the reality behind the mask. Has anyone met Lasha Darkmoon? I see names of some real people in this thread, and I see some pen-names that I recognize for real people. I am wondering if someone who is out of the closet so to speak can confirm having physically met and somehow verified the identity of Lasha as a bona fide nationalist and not just a clever mask? Trust among ourselves should be built on verified personal facts and not just good writing styles.

    I think if Lasha is sincere she will not take offense to this. And I don’t want to sound like a “concern troll” but yes I have that as a “concern” about some of these debates that get going in cyberspace burning up valuable time and energy.

    I mean lets consider the usefulness of the subject for our own immediate interests. How are white-gentile activists postured to exploit this issue if it turns out a certain way? A politically successful movement does not just shoot the bull all the time but has focuses time and attention on specific, attainable goals that will materially advance the movement. How does the Staights of Hormuz matter so much for that one way or another? A better focus on organizational development would be a more valuable contribution from some of the VIP “valuable intellectual properties” than another essay on current events.

    I will humbly admit however that I am not a VIP nor do I have any grand suggestions of my own. However, someone mentioned the old NA, and yes it was an example of a well organized and goal driven organization that was focused not just on endless talk but also resource development including the training and and motivation of effective cadres. That important role has not been filled in the meantime.

    In other words, it does not matter right now if the bandit state gets vaporized or not, because white-gentile activists in America are not oranized nor postured to immediately exploit any particular event whatsoever. Whereas, Jewish activists are keenly focused on immediately capitalizing as a group on whatever is at hand.

  138. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 27, 2012 - 9:01 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Probably most of us made mistakes in this thread. I was at a loose end and posted way too much. Not consciously at the time because I didn’t stop to think, but on reflection I was motived by boredom and laziness and was just rying to slum myself something to do. Sorry about that.
    Hadding/Jason – need to start spotting that point when the most productive part of a particular conversation is definitely behind you and act accordingly.
    Lasha Darkmoon – If it was anyone else but you, I would think lucy and the editor were very unconvincing inventions, particularly the tensions, intrigue and struggle for artistic freedom with a domineering editor (of a tiny blog you could recreate someone else in about an hour).Wartime morality applies..if the motive is the cause….then the question is not whether something is or isn’t bullshit, but whether it’s the right kind of bullshit.
    But because it’s beautiful you all those doubts evaporate into the night and it’s all I can do to resist the urge to obsessively trawl through 1930’s silent movies.

  139. katana's Gravatar katana
    February 27, 2012 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    Henry A. Eckstein wrote:
    February 27, 2012 – 5:10 am
    For those of you (i.e. the poster Vlad et al) who are
TECHNICALLY INCLINED and interested in my
COTS Linear accelerated tungsten encased missile defence
system which uses many quad-core
AMD Opterons at an aggregated bandwidth of
64 chips x 16 channel PCI-3 bus at REAL-WORLD
8 Gigabytes/second
= 512 GIGABYTES per seconds data transfer speed to find, hunt and KILL
incoming high-speed anti-ship missiles…here is some more tech info for you!
    ———————

    Is there any chance you could channel your obvious technical genius to a ‘psychological’ weapon that can render harmless the enemies of civilization and decency? I know that’s a hard one, but hey!

    Weapons that mangle flesh and bone have their time and place but we are being destroyed foremost by psych warfare by the Tribe. Whites are trained to hate themselves. Reverse that and the tide will turn.

  140. February 27, 2012 - 7:44 am | Permalink

    However, you did allow yourself to be suckered in to attacking me by a person who peddles Rense level conspiracy theories.

    I wasn’t suckered into anything on this thread. You have a history of nagging and beating dead horses, and often using unfair modes of argumentation. You seem to go out of your way to drag me into annoying arguments with you. Anybody that looks at the previous thread and the one before will see that.

    I by contrast often discard my comments instead of posting, because it’s not worth nitpicking every little thing. You’ve often complained about how I don’t respond to entirely to whatever you address to me. It’s not because I have no response: it’s because I can see that you’re trying to provoke arguments that are not going to be productive and that are going to bore people and clutter the thread. Whenever I do respond to you, I try to keep it short and just say the bare minimum that I have to say so that people can see that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Maybe you aren’t a conscious concern-troll, but the behavioral description fits perfectly. Maybe you’re just irrationally fearful and can’t control it. You seem to want everything limited to whatever is palatable to the mainstream of White America, without taking into account (a central point of my essay last December) that the mainstream is beyond our reach, and that the people that we can reach are looking for stimulating and inspiring straight talk, a little bit of courageous clear thinking, not more of the timid weaselwording and dogwhistles that they can get elsewhere.

    I think we do need to be concerned about our image, but not for the purpose of appealing to the mainstream, rather for the purpose of not alienating people who can think.

  141. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 27, 2012 - 7:26 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:

    Israel is perfectly capable of attacking a ME country all by itself.

    You cannot compare an attack on a single nuclear reactor in Iraq or the raid on Entebbe with an all out war with Iran. Following are the reasons why Israel needs help from the US :

    1) There is not one but there are many targets in Iran, all spread over the country.
    2) Those targets are hidden deeply in the ground for which Israel needs bunker busters that it doesn’t have.
    3) Apart from nuclear fascilities all kinds of other targets have to be hit also (anti-aircraft artillery, communication and command centres etc.) Too much for Israel alone.
    4) The distance from Israel to Iran and back is too great to fly on a full tank. Airplanes have to be refuelled in the air by tanker airplanes that Israel doesn’t have.
    5) There will be a massive retaliation by Iran with sophisticated missiles. Israel cannot defend itself against this overwhelming threat (this is the main reason).
    6) Hizbollah in Lebanon will also retaliate. It has a lot of missiles with which it can threaten Tel Aviv. Israel will have to concentrate on that also (a previous attempt to neutralize Hizbollah in 2006 failed).

    All in all Israel is too small for this gigantic task. Its repeatedly threatening that it will go it alone has to be seen for what it is : just bluffing, mainly to urge the US to join in.

    It depends on Obama to avert this (wholly unnecessary) catastrophe.

  142. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 27, 2012 - 6:42 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    If people were ejected for irritating others, would you still be here? I think if you review the full body of what I’ve said on this thread, there is nothing out of line about it. I will say this, at least you are not crazy nor do you subscribe to half-baked conspiracy theories that make us look bad (I understand you’re not interested in my opinion I’m just stating a fact). At least if someone has a theory based on real facts, then a disagreement can take place, even a heated one, because there is some common frame of reference to deal with. However, you did allow yourself to be suckered in to attacking me by a person who peddles Rense level conspiracy theories.

    Although Pearson has made some good posts, he is knee-deep in that reptile-people-ruling-the-world junk, and he turns verbally vicious towards anyone who points out flaws, which is the reason for his antagonism toward me and half the posters here. I don’t like people using white advocacy as a vehicle for goofball theories they got from some disreputable website.

    Going forward in white advocacy, I think the main competing approaches will be between those who want to go more mainstream versus those who feel it is necessary to keep white advocacy a fairly small group at the present time. This is a legitimate debate. I will say no more about it, because I sense that your eagerness to throw in gratuitous insults at me will get the better of you, plus you seem to be a personality type that does not respond well to anything other than harshness.

    And I must also say this, your previous associations with Pierce or anyone else do not give you a privileged position in any way, shape, or form. It simply will not be tolerated. Get used to it.

  143. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 27, 2012 - 6:21 am | Permalink

    @Joe: “Behold America” – just brilliant!

  144. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 27, 2012 - 6:14 am | Permalink

    @Henry A. Eckstein:
    Iran is no threat to the US, yes but such backward and failed states like North Korea, Yemen, Pakistan or even anarchic Somalia even less so. As a matter of fact the U.S. has no real enemies other than that it itself creates. Its “defense” budget should be reduced to the level of that of Russia or China and its foreign policy should be as non-interventionist as that of Canada. But such a sound policy should have been adopted already in 1898 when the US started on the wrong path of empire.

  145. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 27, 2012 - 6:10 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Only a collectivist through and through could feel embarrassed by what some other co-ethnic wrote. I don’t feel embarrassed by what you wrote, merely disassociate myself it. Give the Atlas-routine a break, the fate of white man is not on your shoulders alone.

  146. February 27, 2012 - 5:49 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    If Jason Speaks repeatedly says things that are harmful to white interests, it is more useful to constantly state that his ideas are harmful–in any event, that is the only way to truly indict him.

    “Constantly”? That means constant irritation and constant conflict. It’s a better solution if a moderator takes note of when he’s making a pest of himself and tells him to cut it out before everybody gets really cranky.

    Of course, her claim to a doctorate will provide her articles with SOME undue authority

    For thinking people it will have the opposite effect, since anybody really having a doctorate and a position in academia and trying desperately not to be discovered would not indicate having a doctorate and a position in academia while using a pseudonym, thus substantially undermining the whole alleged purpose of using a pseudonym. The real need for “deep cover” in this instance is obviously not protection, but to facilitate putting on airs. It makes us look bad is that some of us take it at face-value. It makes us look REALLY DUMB.

  147. Henry A. Eckstein's Gravatar Henry A. Eckstein
    February 27, 2012 - 5:10 am | Permalink

    For those of you (i.e. the poster Vlad et al) who are
    TECHNICALLY INCLINED and interested in my
    COTS Linear accelerated tungsten encased missile defence
    system which uses many quad-core
    AMD Opterons at an aggregated bandwidth of
    64 chips x 16 channel PCI-3 bus at REAL-WORLD
    8 Gigabytes/second
    = 512 GIGABYTES per seconds data transfer speed to find, hunt and KILL
    incoming high-speed anti-ship missiles…here is some more tech info for you!

    Each chip at 3.2 GHZ requires 70 clock cycles per Sobel edge detect
    operation per pixel (45,714,285 pixels per second per CPU core x
    256 cores = 11,702,856,960 pixels) … THAT is JUST ENOUGH
    BANDWIDTH and pixel processing power to handle the nearly 10 Billion
    (Billion with a “B”) sample points per second we use for 100 nanosecond
    LIDAR (Light detection and ranging) sweeps if we use Double precision
    (64bit floating point ) compression on each number.

    Since we are ALSO INTERLEAVING 1920 by 1080 pixel 16-bit greyscale
    frames AND 5 million sample point radar imagery, the total bandwidth
    full duplex is getting over 23 BILLION pixels per second.
    We pretty much nearly SATURATING the PCI-express communication
    bus of the chips as they shuttle incoming missile telemetry
    for edge detection and object recognition AND flight path estimation
    tasks.

    In terms of using tungsten encased rods…this is the math…
    ITS NOT CLASSIFIED so no worries there!!!!

    total tungsten/ferrous core rod volume:
    PI x R^2 = 5 cm = 78.5398 sqr.cm x Length (92cm) = 7225.6616 cubic cm

    ferrous core = 12.5664 sqr.cm x Length (92) = 1156.1088 cubic cm

    7225.6616 cc
    -1156.1088 cc
    ==========
    6069.5528 cc tungsten casing volume

    Density of Tungsten 19.25 grams per cubic cm (almost that of GOLD!)

    19.25 g/cm3 x 6069.5528 = 116,838.8914 grams or 116.8389 kg

    Magnetic Mild steel = 7.8501 g/cm x 1156.1088 cubic cm
    = 9075.56969088 grams = 9.0756 kg for rod core

    1kilogram = 2.2046 pounds so 116.8389 kg = 257.5830 pounds
    of Tungsten casing + 9.0756 kg magnetic steel core = 20.0081 pounds

    And add another 4 pounds of high-temperature resistant
    ceramic coating and rod end-caps

    and we are looking at over 281 pounds of very lethal missile busting
    payload …. BUT each rod is over 4 grand which is EXPENSIVE!

    Energy = Mass x Square of the Speed of Light = 1,139,589.5 kilograms
    or about 2,512,339 pounds of force at 20,000 MPH (30,000 KPH)
    when a linearly accelerated rod hits said missile.

    Trust me on this….the missile gets D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D.

    ===

    In terms of wattage to accelerate tungsten rod to 30,000 KPH (20,000 MPH)
    (Mach 25+) IS ACTUALLY VERY LITTLE…
    The magnetic core is what is accelerated since tungsten is used merely
    as the anti-missile force multiplier because its so heavy.

    …but at $19 per pound it gets rather EXPENSIVE if you use
    SOLID tungsten …ergo… for our 180,000 round test (which
    would have cost us over three quarters of a billion dollars
    using solid tungsten!!!!) we foamed the tungsten round using
    a rather ingenious technique to allow us to keep our 180,000-round
    fire test at under 5 million dollars using a thin sputtered casing over
    foamed ceramic to save us money…still expensive but well within
    certain budgets….for those of you on the financial side of things
    of wondering where American taxpayer dollars go!

    The key making a metal rod go real fast is FAST DISCHARGE capacitors that store store high amperage
    100,000 amps at 100 kilovolts at less than a few micoseconds for discharge times
    cascaded and timed…within a 20 metre tube (65 feet) a 3 foot rod which is accelerated to 20,000 mph VERY EASILY.

    Using thin film-based caps, the capacitor recharge times are at about one second
    and since we are ring-cascading them in microsecond-level timed sets
    of 120 capacitors, our recharge times between firings are less than
    8 milliseconds or 120 firings per second per gun. (7200 rounds per minute)
    Since we use ten banks of rail/coil guns we get a fire rate of a minimum
    rate per bank of ten at 72,000 rounds per minute.

    Using a technique much like what Metalstorm does, we do a triple-set
    stacked round per barrel to get an aggregate firing rate of
    maximum 216,000 rounds per minute (BUT) in the real world
    because of technical issues it ends up at 180,000 rounds per minute.

    THAT ***REALLY*** PACKS AN ANTI-MISSILE WALLOP!!!!

    The barrels are moved to firing position by ferro-fluid magnetically controlled
    pistons for RAPID tracking and firing 360 degrees around on X-axis
    and from negative 20 degrees to vertical on the Y axis.

    The systems are JUST SMALL ENOUGH to mount on
    a Ticonderoga-type ship….!!!!!

    Its the kinetic energy and the shockwave front
    of the rod that does the missile kill….AND…by shaping
    the CERAMIC TIP of the rod in a special way, a shaped
    shock wave can be produced which forms a super-heated
    plasma which punches/melts through hard casings
    and that earlier high-energy kinetic force obliterates
    the rest of a missile (or a plane, other ship, tank, etc.!)

    So back to the ORIGINAL THREAD…
    a Russian Yakhont
    (Chinese Sunburn) missile battery is going to do
    SQUAT DOO DOO
    against our system…WHICH IS A JOINT EFFORT MADE IN USA,
    CANADA and GERMANY by the way!!!!!!!

    Again on a political note, we pretty much should leave
    Iran alone cuz they are no real threat to the USA (etc)
    …its North Korea, Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia
    that WE (i.e the USA) should be worrying about.
    Its those nutcase failed states that will be hiding
    a bunch of rogue eggheads building small but radioactively
    deadly dirty nuke bombs to smuggle past our borders.

    In terms of Israel…i’m no apologist for them…they can take
    care of themselves…I’m a Ron Paul supporter myself (LIBERTARIAN)
    as far as I’m concerned WE (USA) should police the world ONLY
    where it makes military and political sense…and Iran isn’t a threat.

    INstead I’d send a few carriers off North Korea instead…to send them
    a message we ain’t taking that **** from them….with
    then threatening south korea and all!

    We already get 2 million barrels of oil a day from Canada
    they have enough tar sands in the far north to get their oil
    production up past 7 million a day which is JUST ENOUGH
    to satisfy the North American daily demand.

    Then we can tell em all in the Middle East to **** off!!!!

    So on an end-note….the USA has some SERIOUS
    anti-missile firepower in its arsenal…while the newer
    AEGIS-style anti-missile fire control systems are
    made by RAYTHEON (and all thsoe other subcontactors
    LITTON, etc.) our COTS system is still available to be
    used if so desired by DOD!!!!

    ….

    lastly….2nd Amendment rules….from my cold head hands!!!

  148. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 27, 2012 - 2:36 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Then let’s not hear any complaints from you that someone’s compromising your liberty.

  149. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 27, 2012 - 2:30 am | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra:
    Three great comments, you’re on a tear!

  150. February 27, 2012 - 1:45 am | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    The Western-trained, trilingual, super secular leader of Syria that is home to millions of Christians just passed an amendment to the constitution which stipulates among other things that in the future only a Muslim can seek the highest office in the land.

    I am skeptical about the accuracy of this statement, but Assad does seem to be making some concessions that would give more power to the Sunni majority, of which Assad is not a member.

  151. February 27, 2012 - 1:33 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Really, I get the impression that libertarianism for a lot of people is just a maskfor some kind of obsessive-compulsive problem.

  152. February 27, 2012 - 1:29 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    At the same time, we’re not having an orthographic dispute (you could have fixed that with a simple erratum corrige). I am arguing that sloppiness you display in what is a common figure of speech, “laissez faire”, is just a marker of how little you know of the broader subject to are subjecting to caricature:
    It really was not a mistake. I knew what I was doing. I knew that I was using a form of the French expression that was different from what most Americans are now accustomed to seeing. Your libertarian mentality doesn’t seem able to admit that somebody doing differently from the crowd might have a legitimate reason.

  153. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 27, 2012 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Yes, you’re right about the imperative mood. I’m wrong.

    At the same time, we’re not having an orthographic dispute (you could have fixed that with a simple erratum corrige). I am arguing that sloppiness you display in what is a common figure of speech, “laissez faire”, is just a marker of how little you know of the broader subject to are subjecting to caricature:

    “This is how laissé-faire economics made its comeback in the late 20th century, because somebody set up a think-tank, the Institute for Economic Affairs, to elaborate that idea, and to present it constantly until somebody started to take it seriously.”

    When I start to write TOO/i> articles on English grammar, you’ll have you day in the sun. When you write on libertarianism, expect critical reading.

  154. February 26, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    Hi Will

    I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question.

    If you are interested in Kinism, here is a good brief summary:

    http://www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/index_about/

    The site also has a great “links” section, which includes T.O.O. (and many more very useful listings.)

  155. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    February 26, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Friction-free co-habitation of Jews and Muslims on the same, contested strip of sand is a fantasy that is popular among Israeli peaceniks and their fellow la la land dwellers in the West.
    How could there not be constant strife when one group is driven by kosher ethno-fascism and the other one is prescribed by religion to subjugate ‘non-believers’ whenever opportunity allows ?
    The Western-trained, trilingual, super secular leader of Syria that is home to millions of Christians just passed an amendment to the constitution which stipulates among other things that in the future only a Muslim can seek the highest office in the land.
    In the early 1920s a certain Austrian keenly predicted that Israel was going to be established to serve as a repository for the dregs of the Judaic world. Place from which to run world rackets and where to flee from the justice system. The fact is, if I had a shekel for every Judaic swindler and conman who is wanted by the Russian prosecutors, but whom Israel refuses to give up – I could probably afford a 49% stake in Ferrari S.p.A.

  156. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 10:56 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Verbs do not have declension (except for participles). Declension is for nouns and adjectives.

    The imperative is a mood. So is the infinitive.

    In Catholic elementary school, I never could understand the concepts of participles, declension, and imperative mood. I could diagram a sentence up to the prepositional phrase, and locate the adjectives and adverbs, but declension, participles, imperatives, etc., eluded me. Participles…? words like: the, an – ? I hope my sentence structures aren’t totally outrageous.

  157. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    February 26, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    fender: I realize the hardcode Likudniks in Israel and their neocon co-tribalists in the United States are out of control. Every other Jew, on the other and, almost certainly realizes that an Israeli attack on Iran would make Israel even more of a worldwide pariah than Israel already is. Jews are not monolithic in all respects. It’s obvious to me the extent to which non-Likudnik Jews are itching for war with Iran is greatly exaggerated in our circles. The American public does not have any appetite for war either, and this dynamic is not going to change unless Jews pull off a major false flag.

    Now, having said that, when it comes to the Jewish question in general, having cut my teeth on the works of William Pierce, David Duke and KMD, I understand how Jews operate as well as anyone. I would add also that I hate Jews. However, just to make the point a bit clearer, if we are ever going to rid ourselves of Jews once and for all, Jews will need a place to go. That’s my starting point. Jews need to go because they don’t belong in White nations. So, assuming you too favor Whites separating themselves from Jews at the earliest realistic opportunity, can I ask where do you suggest they go if not Israel?

    This reflexive anti-Zionism in our circles sometimes reflects some pretty confused thinking. In point of fact, beyond the necessary step of rooting out Zionist influence in our own nations, opposing Zionism is a bad tactic for Whites in the short term and a horrible strategy in the long term. In the short term, we should be making the argument that since Jews have a Jewish nation for Jews we demand want White nations for Whites. In the long term, we should be finding ways to convince as many Jews as possible to move there.

    Israel needs to exist and remain habitable for those two things to happen.

  158. February 26, 2012 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: @TabuLa Raza:

    Possible you meant declension

    @TabuLa Raza: Touché! “Declension” is right.

    You sophomores really ought to stand aside where questions of language are concerned and let Hadding do it. Verbs do not have declension (except for participles). Declension is for nouns and adjectives.

    The imperative is a mood. So is the infinitive.

  159. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 26, 2012 - 7:28 pm | Permalink

    LUCY SKIPPING…..interesting suggestions…..worth considering except the $100.000 per to travel.

    Check out this map and see how much money each of the 50 contributes to Israelis well being.

    http://www.aidtoisrael.org/section.php?id=323

  160. Molly's Gravatar Molly
    February 26, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    So tell us more about the evening you and Lasha shared with Mahmoud El-Yousseph. Sounds intriguing. Certainly a handsome Middle Eastern gentleman

  161. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 26, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza: Touché! “Declension” is right.

  162. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    10 tips on how to solve the Jewish problem in America

    1. America to persuade as many American Jews as possible to do aliyah and settle in Israel. Not deport them, for that would be cruel and coercive, but to pay their fares and give them a $100,000 “reward”for leaving. That may seem expensive, but it’s far cheaper than the present arrangement of subsidies and unrepaid loans for Israel and the cost of wars fought on Israel’s behalf.

    2. No more aid to Israel.

    3. No more wars for Israel.

    4. The forcible dismantling of Dimona: no more nuclear weapons for Israel.

    5. Israel to withdraw to the 1947 UN-set borders, giving Israel a generous 55% of historic Palestine. (Right now Israel is in control of roughly 90% of historic Palestine).

    6. Palestinian refugees to be let in to the remaining 45% of historic Paestine, i.e., the new Palestinian state.

    7. Israel to make war reparations to Lebanon and Syria and to withdraw from the Golan Heights.

    8. The mass media in America to be removed at once from Jewish control.

    9. No Jews to be allowed to serve in the government or armed forces or other sensitive areas; the activities of Jews to be carefully monitored at universities.

    10. Hollywood to be taken away from the Jews and a clean, non-propagandistic entertainment industry to be run in the interests of Christian America.

  163. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 26, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    @Lew:

    “If we are ever able to rid our lands of Zionist Jewish influence, at that point we absolutely, positively above all else need to wish Jews well in their own country, and do everything we can to ensure Israel continues to exist but without support from the West and without controlling the US and the West.”

    What? Why? If we ever form any kind of White nation we should be completely closed-off from Israel and simply not care about it. Neutrality is the answer.

    “Israel needs to continue to exist so Jews have a place to go.”

    Israel is not a place for Jews to live, its a base of operations. Most Jews don’t want to live in Israel, they want to live among others because by themselves they have no one to exploit. Israel is the place from which Jews issue their threats, and the place they flee to when they get in trouble in other nations.

    “We, therefore, need to hope Israel continues to survive.”

    You like the idea of a bunch of fanatics having hundreds of nuclear weapons at their disposal?

    “If a nuke goes off in Israel, how would that help Whites? Exactly?”

    Less Jews for one, and secondly it would irradiate a huge portion of the nation for quite a long time, thus neutralizing the ability of Israel to threaten other nations. You don’t seem to understand that Israel is completely out-of-control.

    ” Every Jewish survivor would demand and receive immediate entry into the United States.”

    So what? The US is already totally Jewish-run. Some more refugees won’t matter one bit.

  164. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Quote of the day from Justin Raimondo:

    BLOCK QUOTE

    Quote of the day from Justin Raimondo:

    Once the American people learn the true facts, they’ll turn on the War Party with unprecedented fury: think of all the lives that have been sacrificed on the altar of our rulers’ mad ambitions! Not to mention the billions — nay, trillions! — of our tax dollars that have been wasted at a time when Americans are being driven out of their foreclosed homes, jobless and hopeless.

    And talking of the imminent war against Iran:

    This is going to be the Big One: a war that will make the invasion of Iraq look like a dress rehearsal for Armageddon.

  165. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    The Dark Side

    america’s special operations forces are now a law unto themselves. they have been advised “not to write down important information, lest it be vulnerable to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.” altogether, there are 66,000 operatives working in the shadows who are free to kill anyone they want, anywhere, and do so with the blessings of their superior officers.

    why indulge your sadistic instincts by embarking on a career as a serial killer, risking detection and the death penalty, when you can indulge the same instincts with impunity by joining the special-ops crew?

    is this a seditious sentiment? i hope not! i once knew a man who told me, and he wasn’t joking: “i’m a potential psychopath. a born killer. that’s why I’m going to join the army. it’ll keep me out of mischief. i’ll be able to indulge my baser instincts without getting into trouble.”

    to quote Dick Cheney, america has entered the “dark side”.

    what are we to think of a country that has rejected habeas corpus, a natural human right since 1215, and has openly embraced torture?

  166. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Comment on a Russian website:

    “Right now, Iran appears to be the object of universal detestation, at least among those who control the mainstream media and who are anxious to persuade the easily duped masses that Iran is a major threat to civilization.” — ‘Armageddon Approaches’

    Not at all!

    The Western press thinks it is the only “mainstream” media.

    But this is not so.

    The Russian media (mainly Russia Today, Voice of Russia, Pravda), the Chinese media (China Daily), Iran media (Press TV), Latin American media (Correo del Orinoco, Patria Grande, Prensa Latina) give applause to IRAN for its resistance against western threats.

    If you look at the land masses formed by Russia – China – Iran – South America: this is the majority of the world. Their media are the “mainstream” media, because they are read by far more people than those who read the Jewish controlled Western media.

    BRAVO IRAN !

  167. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    February 26, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    May everyone receive their just deserts.

  168. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    February 26, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 – 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: “laissé “, “laisser“. Ph.D. or not, it’s the sloppiness or otherwise that counts. Laissez faire! (Imperative declination).

    Possible you meant declension

    Definition of DECLENSION
    1
    a : noun, adjective, or pronoun inflection especially in some prescribed order of the forms
    b : a class of nouns or adjectives having the same type of inflectional forms

  169. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 26, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Close enough as long as you don’t take off the ascot and velvet smoking jacket.

  170. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    February 26, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

    @Athanasius: “Does Pierre de Craon look like T.S. Eliot and sit around in with his pipe, drinking sherry, with a leather-bound book next to his computer?”

    I’m laughing so hard that I overturned my sherry (an Algerian plonk) on (1) my keyboard, (2) my one and only leather-bound book (a 1974 corporate address book issued by American Express that a lawyer pal tossed my way in 1975), and (3) a 14-inch length of PVC pipe left by the plumber who fixed my sink eighteen months ago (damned if I know where to put it).

    When I was younger, people frequently mistook me for the actor Michael Moriarty (I think we can agree that he is away down market from Eliot). Since I never drank like a fish, I now look a lot better than he does, even with all the ills and woes I suffer.

  171. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    February 26, 2012 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    @Lew: It seems as if most Israelis can freely immigrate here as it is…

  172. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    February 26, 2012 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: And thanks for correcting my typo.

    There is a human element here. People WANT to feel a sense of community–particularly because most of us share a few core values. I suspect that I could have an enjoyable conversation over a beer even with Fender, someone with whom I have a few profound disagreements. Moreover, it is natural to impute characteristics to the people whose posts we regularly read. This influences how we respond to different people. Of course, these characterizations are most likely wrong. Is Fender really a 24-year-old who listens to DragonForce on his way to work at BestBuy and wears black t-shirts every day? Does Pierre de Craon look like T.S. Eliot and sit around in with his pipe, drinking sherry, with a leather bound book next to his computer? Of course, these start to get ridiculous.

    Throw into the mix some personalities who DO feed off of the drama–and we can quickly descend into meta-conversations that have no basis in reality.

    If Jason Speaks repeatedly says things that are harmful to white interests, it is more useful to constantly state that his ideas are harmful–in any event, that is the only way to truly indict him. Otherwise, by speculating about his identity, one can appear to be a bully–and to be frank, certain people are very skilled at conveying their own feelings of persecution.

    Likewise, whether Lasha Darkmoon’s story is just as she says it is, or whether she has constructed a cadre of intent personas isn’t easily provable–and for that reason is not very relevant. Of course, her claim to a doctorate will provide her articles with SOME undue authority, but we have to hope that the average person who read’s an article about Iran’s computerized missile targeting capabilities wouldn’t think, “Oh this MUST be correct b/c the author has a PhD in classics.”

  173. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    February 26, 2012 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t believe Jason Speaks is a Jew or any form of troll. Although I don’t read TOO every day much less read every comment, I have never seen a comment by Jason Speaks that wasn’t well reasoned.

    Writing 100+ comments criticizing Lasha Darkmoon’s Rachael Corrie article is not credible evidence Jason Speaks is a troll. Darkmoon’s main argument in that article was weak and deserved harsh criticism. While it’s true that Corrie was brutally murdered by Jews, it’s also true she was also a self-hating White leftist who loathed other Whites. Corrie spent her time, her energy and her talents defending non-Whites and ultimately lost her life defending non-Whites. So no, given that she was a self-hating White who died defending non-Whites, she was not “our” Rachael.

    There is also very little new information in this article. The sunburn missiles, for example, have been a topic of wide discussion for over 10 years now. The US military no doubt has a plan to deal with them.

    I do think it’s important that White Nationalists not be drawn into the wrong kind of anti-Zionism. We need to battle Jewish influence in our own native lands, not wring our hands over what Jews do in their own country.

    If we are ever able to rid our lands of Zionist Jewish influence, at that point we absolutely, positively above all else need to wish Jews well in their own country, and do everything we can to ensure Israel continues to exist but without support from the West and without controlling the US and the West.

    Israel needs to continue to exist so Jews have a place to go. We, therefore, need to hope Israel continues to survive. If a nuke goes off in Israel, how would that help Whites? Exactly? Every Jewish survivor would demand and receive immediate entry into the United States.

  174. February 26, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

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  175. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

    @ Hadding Scott

    I wish to offer you an olive branch. I’d rather be your friend than your enemy. So here is my personal email address:

    darkmoon@darkmoon.me

    Write to me if you wish. We can sort this out. Give peace a chance, okay?

    Lasha

  176. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    February 26, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    All this drama about identities (be it Darkmoon or Jason Speaks) is at best a waste of time, and at worst sowing the seeds of division.

    This site is not a political movement, and as it is currently constituted, it can’t be, because most of us have something to lose by speaking openly. Therefore, it is futile to try to discern who people are. In fact, even if we knew each other’s real names and hometowns and work places, we could still be infiltrated. History is replete with traitors who brought down great movements, or even empires–sometimes with very disastrous consequences. See e.g., Andronikos Doukas at the Battle of Manzikert (talk about a disaster for whites).

    In any event, I’m not saying anyone is or is not a acting in good faith, but I recommend that we judge all comments by they content, not by the writer. Putting faith in an anonymous “personality” on the internet is always a bad idea. There are plenty of people here with whom I fundamentally disagree, yet who still make some useful and thought-provoking comments. By all means, if I say something outrageous, feel free to ignore me or castigate me as you see fit.

  177. GT's Gravatar GT
    February 26, 2012 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

    It is time for a wake up call:

    Let us assume that Iranian anti-ship missiles get through.

    Not even nukes can guarantee the sinking of old, WWII aircraft carriers in poor condition.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads#Aircraft_carriers

    In WWI German “dreadnaught” level battleships were nearly impervious to 12″, 13.5″ and 15″ gunfire sinking due to their honeycomb compartmentalization and superior magazine protection (both physical and procedural).

    Look at the pounding taken by the battleships Yamato, Musashi, Prince of Wales and Bismarck before rolling over. Above water explosions are not an efficient way to sink large warships. Or even small ones like the USS Stark. It’s hard even when combined with torpedoes.

    Historically the only way to sink a capital ship with one shot is by causing a secondary explosion in the magazines. Magazine explosions were responsible for sinking four British battlecruisers in the 20th Century – including three in a couple of hours at Jutland – and the USS Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

    We may assume that naval architects and engineers of the 1950s and 1960s incorporated lessons learned from WWII carrier losses and damage events like the USS Bunker Hill.

    I don’t know what it would take to sink a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. But I do know that it will be a lot harder than Rense/Darkmoon imaginings. These people are afflicted with a naiveté equivalent to a child’s video game mentality. One hit with anything and poof! Just say, “Sunburn!” and all fall down.

    In the 1980s two Exocet missiles failed to sink the USS Stark, a dinky Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate built in 1979.

    The USS America was scuttled after four days of instrumented weapons tests closed to the media and to former USS America crew.

    How good are US arrangements now? They are good enough to keep the USS Iowa turret explosion from destroying the ship:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    And good enough to keep a sardine can like the USS Stark from experiencing secondary magazine explosions despite two strikes by Exocet missiles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

    When built in the 1960s the Kitty Hawk class carriers were said to be the most elaborately compartmented ships ever built.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Hawk_class_aircraft_carrier

    Did the enormous Nimitz class carriers that followed the Kitty Hawks get more or less protection?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier

    Nimitz class ships are fitted and retrofitted with Kevlar armor around vital spaces. It is reasonable to assume that spaced armor principles have also been applied to critical spaces like magazines.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_armour

    Fire suppression was probably a lot easier with the old Halon fire suppression systems.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaseous_fire_suppression

    What’s the modern fire suppression method for ships’ weapons magazine compartments? Maybe pressurize them with an inert gas like helium? Maybe keep them in a vacuum? I really don’t know. What I do know is the US Navy has had decades and near unlimited resources to consider and physically test all of this.

    Once again, we are assuming that Iranian anti-ship missiles get through. But should we make that assumption?

    What if the anti-ship missiles can’t ‘see’ the ships? Alternately, what if each missile ‘sees’ several thousand ships, none of which are the real McCoy? What if the ship appears to fade in and out and move all around? The point is ECM (electronic countermeasures) is still very much in business.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_countermeasure

    Are we certain that the USN can’t intercept supersonic cruise missiles with a close-in weapons system?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System

    When the Soviets developed the Sunburn cruise missiles they were part of a ‘system’. That system included saturation attacks by dozens of Tu-95s with real time targeting data from satellite radars. The Iranians don’t have this capability.

    If I were the Iranian commander I’d be focused on ‘sinking’ the Al Udeid AB and Diego Garcia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    These are where the B1s, B2s and B52s live that would reduce my country to the equivalent of the 10th Century in a few hours with JDAMs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition

    Or maybe, as a last act of defiance, I’d concentrate on returning populous, resort-filled coastal Israel to conditions more closely resembling 1948.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_population_density.png

  178. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 1:43 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    CORRECTION:

    “My family are passionate anti-Zionists” should read “My family are passionate ZIONISTS.”

  179. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 26, 2012 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Darkmoon my two cents worth would be that you and others including [myself] aught to consider that Hadding Scott is what the Brits call a “wanker”.

    And as such the most he is capable of doing on this website is wank more.

  180. February 26, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

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  181. February 26, 2012 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    @Will Williams: “I enjoyed your comment. I’m a Christian. But at the moment I do not belong to any particular denomination.

    “How do you feel about Kinism? Or Christian Identity? Would Kinists have been allowed in the old alliance?

    “From what I have read, which isn’t much, I like Kinism — they seem like solidly pro-White Christians. Hopefully Kinism is the future of Christianity. Everything I’ve seen from them is… so good.

    “I love the idea/belief that Christ was White. (Not that most Kinists believe that.) A couple weeks ago, when I allowed myself the possibility that Christ might’ve been White, something special happened inside me.”

    Richard, I’ve never heard of “Kinism,” but if it’s a Christian creed it’s not grounded in reality; Christian Identity, the same. A racially conscious, so-called Kinist would probably have been welcomed into the Alliance, but whether he’d feel welcome for long would depend on how attached he was to this belief that Jesus was of European stock and is alive and well today, looking after his lost White sheep. Alliance members were expected to accommodate themselves to Alliance policy, not the other way around.

    I’m not a medical expert but suspect that what happened to you inside when you had that epiphany that Jesus might have been a White man was probably no more than a piss quiver. No reason to be alarmed. You weren’t knocked off your ass by a blinding light, were you?

    If Jesus ever lived at all, he was a Middle Eastern Jew. We’re Europeans. Why struggle so to seek our identity in Jewish documents from the Levant? The heroic pre-Christian pagan beliefs of Europeans reflected our true character much more suitably than the slave mentality of the Jew Book, as Dr. Oliver called the Bible. Lots of Odinists found compatibility and kinship as Alliance members because of its stand against yahwehist creeds.

  182. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

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  183. February 26, 2012 - 1:13 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Skolnick had predicted 2008 originally, then stated that his info was that it had been pushed back to 2011 – 2012. My recollection is that he was writing about the attacks for many years before his death, and pre 2004. I haven’t been able to confirm earlier dates.
    Yes, lots of his crazy stuff didn’t pan out, but neither has the psychopaths’ “prediction” of being welcomed in Iraq or the walk in the park in Afghanistan, which was last successfully invaded by Alexander the Great.
    The point is, they don’t care what the citizenry thinks or wants. They are unconcerned with the carnage, because they won’t be affected by it. If a real terrorist group, not one dreamed up by the CIA, Mossad, or MI-5, were to blow up a truck bomb at Goldman Sachs that killed hundreds, or lob a few mortal shells at one of the Rothschild estates while they were in residence killing a dozen of them, it might slow them down, but not stop them, because these psychopaths think they are gods. Only mass armed insurrection globally will stop them, and that is not going to happen.
    While Jews have influence in Russia, mainly the oligarchs and the “Mafia”, it is not the stranglehold they have in our “Western style democracies”, which is a code word for Jewish rule.
    While at university overseas in the early 70s, I met a number of students from Eastern Block countries, including Soviets. These people were, obviously, considered no risk to defect. While guarded at first, they eventually loosened up a little, and some political topics were discussed. What struck me was how similar the systems were. Soviet: to get to the top, you have to be a known, predictable quantity. American: ditto (remember Tom Eggleton). I should add that the known and predictable bit applies to all ZOG – the so-called “Western style democracies”.
    The Soviet/Russian students were adamant that there would be no war at that time, because the “old guys” had been through WWII and remembered the carnage. Their concern was the “young guys” who were an unknown quantity. Gorbachev and Yeltsin were older “young guys”, Putin is a true “young guy”.
    The Russians are chess players, the Chinese patient, and the psychos are slimy/underhanded. All are ruthless toward their “enemy”.
    Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility when it comes to a reaction to an attack on Iran.

  184. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 26, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson:

    “Make your choice, White Man.

    Side with the Jew – or with the rest of humanity.”

    uh, no. It’s actually us vs. the rest of humanity. Pretty much everyone in the world hates us, and the tribe is allied with them all. It’s not Jew vs. Gentile, it’s Aryan vs. Barbarian.

  185. February 26, 2012 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

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  186. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    You’re just one that seems to be taken in by it.

    Lasha has made no pains to avoid saying her name is a pen name. I factor that in. As to the remainder, I listen with my inner ear. Hence I tend to believe the remainder that I have learned. I’m not sure if ‘Montecristo’ is the cousin’s pen name or real name, but for the moment I believe it.

    It’s no big thing. And really, Lasha should not be attacked like a pit bull like this. She really has bent over backwards to explain herself.

    Frankly, chill out. Maybe read some of those Sappho poems would get you in a mellow mood ;)

  187. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    February 26, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    If Israel … or “The State of Israel” + the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA do indeed attack Iran, then all efforts must be made (either by members of the armed forces and/or by upright and determined civilians) to immediately track down all members of the Rothschild Banking dynasty with the singular goal of wiping them out. No questions asked. They must be exterminated by whatever means are available. Their banking empire entirely eradicated from the face of this planet, and all assets seized and equitably distributed in compensation.

    Preferably, this should be done in a manner that sends a clear, distinct, and universal message.

    Look up (Internet Search) the term “Kabyle Smile” from the Algerian War of Independence. I think that would be an appropriate fate for a family that has caused the deaths of more people that fifty Genghis Khan’s combined.

  188. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I have done my best to be conciliatory.

  189. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    I have tried my best to be conciliatory.

  190. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    My goodness Ms. Teller, such adjectives you put in my mouth! Good grief! Did I say and mean all that! WOW! lollll

  191. February 26, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose: You’re not the one outrageously putting on airs here. You’re just one that seems to be taken in by it. Believe whatever you like. Nostradamus, “assistants of Dr. Lasha Darkmoon,”: whatever.

  192. February 26, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Far from being a downer, I found your comments uplifting.

    You put into words some things I was unable or unwilling to say. Thank you for that.

    (And yes I think that song was before my time.)

    this thread has really made me wonder if this site is worth the effort.

    I think it is. I hope you will stick around.

  193. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

    1 Corinthians 13:7
    Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

  194. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I think the justification for my skepticism is self-evident.

    If you meanT that toward Lasha, then you will have to just think that.

    But if you meant that towards me, then ‘“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.’

    1 Corinthians 13;7
    Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures a

  195. February 26, 2012 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    @blue rose: I think the justification for my skepticism is self-evident.

  196. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 26, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Thanks Richard, but this thread has really made me wonder if this site is worth the effort. While there are some, like you, who are clearly motivated by love of white people, culture and heritage, there seem to be far too many motivated primarily by who and what they hate or simply ego gratification. Others seem to take advantage of the reputation that white nationalist have for hatred to vent all the ugliness they feel. There is no sense of proportion, intellectual honesty, or basic decency in some posts. You have just been condemned for not having knowledge of a minor pop figure whose song probably came out before you were born, and the poster feels completely justified in this gratuitous cruelty. You have been condemned by this person for not making up your mind. In this nightmare world of lies and duplicity that strikes me as a wise reservation of judgement. Your attacker on the other hand, changes her position in every other comment, complete with apology for her last statement.

    You new blog is lovely, the images alone are a welcome respite from the chaos all around us. I will visit it often.

    I’m sorry to be such a downer today, but the sheer ugliness on display in this thread, and our apparent inability to deal with it has me disheartened.

  197. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 11:28 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding, as much as I admire you….you don’t know what you’re talking about as to ‘all this’.

  198. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Yes, Ms. Teller, my sense of judgement is sound enough and that was all I needed to know because Richard seems to be confused about a whole lot of things and can’t seem to be able to make up his mind on any of it.

    I’ve no doubt Richard is a gentle soul. But not even knowing a tune by Gerry Rafferty and not even being able to interpret the meaning of the lyrics, when I clearly defined it as ‘A Dedication to Jesus Christ’ (regardless that’s not what Rafferty had in mind) was simply going beyond the pale.

    I don’t know Richard’s full background, but his state of mind is clearly an inability to ‘make up his mind’ about anything — at all. Not that it matters to me. All I posted was ‘that was all I needed to know’ about him. He’s still, I’m sure, a sweet, gentle soul.

  199. February 26, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

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  200. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    Thanks for being so open and forthright like this. I appreciate that. Many posts ago Lasha had mentioned the last name of the relative — ‘Montecristo’. I was a little taken aback, as I wasn’t aware anyone actually had that last name before. If Montecristo is his actual real last name, I would say him, you, or Lasha should do a deep genealogy search if no one has done so, because that is a very unusual name. It seems to have associations to Catholic aristocracy.

    As to your cousin, he should have been given to understand that the mere setting up a site, which was Lasha’s idea for a site, ought not to give him overriding rule and privileges of what she wants on it. I would have told him to forget it. After all, Lasha should have been the rightful owner once it was set up.

    Thanks for the links on the poems. I will get to them in a moment. Ah yes, Sapphos. The ancient Greeks and the cult of Sapphos. I can dig it. I’m not one myself, but all things, as a rule, interest me.

    All in all, you were right to stick up for your older sister. Sorry about my chiming in about femi- this and femi- that. It’s just that I get upset when there is a lot of discord going on.

    I’ll get to those poems. I am sure I will find them fascinating. That whole Sapphos idea is something I’ve never understood, but the little I’ve read of it I liked…from a perspective of course. The men here would probably go wild for the poems!

  201. February 26, 2012 - 10:36 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Your presence on this site is indispensable. I know I’m not the only one who believes this.

    You weather the storms with grace.

    I admit that I’m a sensitive person, which is how I see myself in other commenters under this article — some of them seem sensitive, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we have a sensitive layer, and a tough outer layer.

  202. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    After all, if he is a prominent figure in his own field as you say, the last thing he would wish is to be identified with a dubious character like me! ☺

    I didn’t mean to imply JH should not be associated with you, but with the WN. His field is the esoteric and appears on many documentaries, often dealing with Armageddon. His expertise is in French translation of a certain 16th Century seer. Can’t you guess who I mean? I’m disappointed you’re not him :(

    As far as I am concerned, synchronicity exists. I know. I have experienced it in my daily life on more than one occasion. The most uncanny coincidences. Jung was spot-on.

    Yes, Synchronicity does exist. I’ve experienced it several times, and once I only wish I had my camera on with me at the time because the Synchronistic sign given me was a large perfect cross in a cloudless sky (made by something, I don’t know, looked like clouds, like two trails from a plane). It had to do with a troubling time with my beautiful cat of 13 years who was very old and suffering. My wise, elderly neighbor woman believed me when I told her though.

    Jung was right. Oh I know scientists ‘think’ they have an explanation for Synchronicity, as all must be weighed, measured, and counted, but those that have experienced Synchronicity can tell the difference, that it is something sent by the Universe that stops people in their tracks and pauses them long enough to think of the Spiritual.

  203. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 26, 2012 - 9:53 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Hadding, we don’t often see eye to eye, but you are dead right on this one. One would, at least, hope that someone so praised for their artistic and academic talent would be able to be more creative in the creation of their alter-egos. I have never understood the misogynist streak in white nationalism, but if this thread is a good sample of the effect that women have on the movement it would seem to be a rational position.

  204. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 26, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: celibate

  205. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 26, 2012 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:
    Well, that says volumes about your sense of judgement. Richard is unsure about his opinion regarding a pleasant pop tune by Gerry Rafferty and that tells you all you need to know? That gives you license to question his mental stability? To mock this good and gentle soul on another thread for his desire to lead a celebrate life?

    This entire thread has been filled with enough raging, feminine egotism and venom to make me want to join the ranks of the misogynists!

  206. February 26, 2012 - 8:52 am | Permalink

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  208. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 8:01 am | Permalink

    @ Hadding Scott

    Mahmoud El-Yousseph says:
    January 29, 2012 at 4:37 am

    This is to wish Lasha and her sister Lucy a quick and speedy recovery. I met those two sisters three years ago.
    I have to admit, they are smart, passionate and unforgettable!

    Reply

    Lucy Skipping says:
    January 29, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Thanks, Mahmoud. Your kind words are much appreciated. I’m doing fine now, but Lasha is feeling pretty bad. She’s been in the wars and is still in a great deal of pain.

    It will take at least a month before she’s back to normal…working out at the gym and going for long walks by the sea again, which she loves doing.

    Yeah, I remember the night we met. At Luigi’s. That was the night Lasha had one glass too many and put salt in her coffee!

    Bye for now!

    Lucy

  209. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 7:53 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding: I apologize unreservedly for my intemperate comments about you. Pay no attention to them. I was beside myself. This is because I love Lasha dearly and don’t like to see her attacked. She is my sister. Very, very close to me.

  210. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 6:40 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I was hoping you were really him in disguise. It would have been a supreme Synchronicity, as the Universe is often wont to show us at times, so that we may be assured there are Intelligences in the Universe, and that they are watching.

    I’m a bit disappointed that you can’t reveal JH’s identity, but I think your decision is a wise one. After all, if he is a prominent figure in his own field as you say, the last thing he would wish is to be identified with a dubious character like me! ☺

    As far as I am concerned, synchronicity exists. I know. I have experienced it in my daily life on more than one occasion. The most uncanny coincidences. Jung was spot-on.

    That the universe has been lovingly designed by a wise and infinitely sad and joyous Superintelligence is my own sincere belief — though I used to be an atheist once.

    There are things one knows but cannot prove. As Pascal said, “The heart has its reasons.”

  211. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 26, 2012 - 6:21 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I’d sure like to see a sampling of those poems that Lasha’s friend would not allow on his website because readers found them too debased (or whatever words she used). Just saying. I’d like to see a sampling of the unpublished poems.

    I am one of the co-editors of darkmoon.me. I am also Lasha’s research assistant and younger sister. The man who owns the site is our cousin John Scott Montecristo. He is the Chief Editor. He started up this site as a kind of favor to Lasha because Lasha herself is hopeless at computers (like me) and wouldn’t know how to run a blog. The technicalities are quite beyond her. So Monte is not only the owner and chief editor of the site, he is also its webmaster. He takes all final decisions and Lasha has no say on what gets published here. Her own submissions are not only rejected sometimes, but even more disturbingly for Lasha some of her best poems and translations have been deleted after publication.

    The reason for this is that Monte is a good Christian (a Roman Catholic) and tends to be something of a prude, and so when other good Christians write to him complaining about some of Lasha’s poems and translations, claiming they are obscene, Monte gets very upset and deletes the offending material.

    One of Lasha’s chief complainers is himself a poet published on the site. His name is Darrell Wright. Darrell is an ex-monk, a really religious person with a special devotion to the Virgin Mary. He has campaigned ceaselessly for the removal of Lasha’s more sexually charged verse. He has succeeded only too well. Six translations from the French which Lasha did were also deleted. These were by a brilliant French poet, an aristocratic lesbian called Petra Scandali — which I think must be a pen name.

    You express an interest in reading some of Lasha’s banned verse. Well, I can’t oblige you there. But I can send you links to two poems which received angry complains from Christian prudes and which were initially banned.

    They were deleted, and then restored after three months at my own insistence. I threatened to resign as Deputy Editor if these two poems, among Lasha’s best, were not reinstated.

    Here they are:

    SUCCUBA SINGING
    http://www.darkmoon.me/2010/succuba-singing/

    TELL ME, STRANGER
    http://www.darkmoon.me/2010/tell-me-stranger/

    The above samples of Lasha’s verse, which have received extravagant praise as well as condemnation, are admittedly pretty mild stuff compared to the other banned poems.

    Sorry if this post is “off topic”, but you did ask to see some of Lasha’s more controversial verse.

  212. February 26, 2012 - 6:17 am | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson:

    Says who? Jews?

    You try dealing with Blacks from a position of weakness sometime and see what it gets you.

  213. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    February 26, 2012 - 5:51 am | Permalink

    Forging tactical alliances against a common adversary has been part of Judaic modus operandi for about as long as they’ve been mutilating the tips of their male newborns’ ding dongs.
    Recall all those busloads of ‘courageous civil right attorneys’ from Brooklyn popping up down south.

  214. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 26, 2012 - 5:36 am | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson:

    JEWS are simply a few percentage points of the human race.

    It is even less. Accepting the Jews own estimate of 14 million Jews and taking into account that humanity just recently has reached the 7 billion number, Jews constitute only 0,2 % of the world’s population. That says something about their level of manipulation considering the amount of power they have in the world.

    Uniting all forms of (ethnic) nationalism against levelling globalism (and thus the Jews) indeed makes sense, provided there is mutual respect and the preparedness to cooprate and sometimes to reach (reasonable) compromises. This is also the essential message of David Duke. No more White supremacism but White ethnic nationalism that is as acceptable as any other form of ethnic nationalism. The only resistance would come from the above mentioned 0,2 %.

  215. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 5:29 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    I know how you feel and would love to know who the mystery man is, but he is well known in another field that has nothing at all to do with WN issues. I simply could not put his name here. But everything I said about the coincidence between you and him is true. I forgot to add yesterday that he not only studied sanskrit in India, but studied under some Brahmin or something (I forget exactly what word he used).

    I was hoping you were really him in disguise. It would have been a supreme Synchronicity, as the Universe is often wont to show us at times, so that we may be assured there are Intelligences in the Universe, and that they are watching.

    We are told it takes 13 years for each of the Houses in the constellation to transit around the Sun (if I’ve stated that correctly), for a total of 164 years for the 13-year long cycle to begin again.

    Before one enters into the esoteric sanctuary, the adept gives the initiate the order of finger to lips — shhhh

    Neptune returns to Pisces and gives us a surging wave of revolution just like what happened in Europe in 1848. This brings us to 2012.

  216. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 5:17 am | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson:

    WOW! Be careful what you say, Rich Pearson, or you will get a lot of stick (like me) for saying things that should not be said!

    You are treading the borderlines of that increasingly vast territory known as Verboten.

  217. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 26, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    “I don’t want to reveal who I am thinking of because this would be a kind of ‘outing’ if I were right, and it is not my right to mention his name outright.

    I wish … JH is that you? (Here I mean Lasha, of course)

    Gosh, Blue Rose, I was fascinated by your post! To think I have a clone out there, a guy with the initials “JH” who reportedly knows some Sanskrit and has been in India like me — and who you suggest could very well BE me in disguise!

    No, I don’t mind you “outing” him, Blue Rose. By all means spill the beans and give us the identity of this guy. I’m really curious to know who my doppelgänger is!

  218. February 26, 2012 - 4:33 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott

    Starting out by trying to make deals with other races looks too much like begging for help.

    Says who? Jews?

  219. February 26, 2012 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    @Rich Pearson:

    Anti-semitism is a winning issue around the world – why shouldn’t White Europeans and Americans use anti-semitism in our favor?

    I think that would be more feasible if we got a substantial White movement going first. Starting out by trying to make deals with other races looks too much like begging for help.

  220. February 26, 2012 - 4:19 am | Permalink

    Let’s see – isn’t La Raza already “ant-semitic?” So good – let us, as Whites, use it. Aren’t the radical Afro-centric types “anti-semitic?” Wasn’t it the jews that ran the slave trade, as the Nation of Israel/Black Muslim types that wrote “Hidden History of Blacks and Jews” about how the jews ran the slave trade already “anti-semitic?”

    The book “Currency Wars” by Song Hongbing is a best-seller in China. Why not recruit the Chinese Nationalist to our side, against our common enemy, the Jews?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_Wars

    A Pan-Nationalist movement against the jews could be a winner for Whites. Why not unite all nationalists against the jews? Latino Catholics have a certain anti-semitism in their culture, according to jew groups like the $PLC and the ADL – why not work with Latinos against our common enemy, the jews?

    Anti-semitism is a winning issue around the world – why shouldn’t White Europeans and Americans use anti-semitism in our favor?

    Sounds like a win-win strategy to me.

  221. February 26, 2012 - 4:05 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    No, the problem is that if you took 100 White nationalists you’d have 100 different people who all think they know the right way to govern a White nation.

    You’re being a little bit overly pessimistic there.

    In fact National-Socialist Germany had to deal with this phenomenon in spades and managed to solve it. It had a program that was more or less agreeable to everyone; plus it was understood that if you really made a nuisance of yourself, to the point of fomenting unrest, you would be segregated from the rest of the population.

    Believe it or not, when an authority with the necessary power puts its foot down to establish order, and says behave or else, most people take the hint, and they adjust to it, and they are grateful that somebody has finally stopped the different factions from killing each other in the streets and made the trains run on time or whatever.

    This notion that such problems cannot be solved is just political superstition.

  222. February 26, 2012 - 4:01 am | Permalink

    LOL

    Make your choice, White Man.

    Side with the Jew – or with the rest of humanity.

    While the Jews tell us we should hate all others people – except for us – WHITES – perhaps another strategy should be Whites should join with other races against the Jew?

    Anti-semitism could be quite the tactic for WHITES. We could get all the other races on our side, promoting nationalism against jew internationalism. Short term, long term, who knows?

    But why should we side with JEWS against all the other races? JEWS are simply a few percentage points of the human race. Why not side with Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, even Africans – against the JEW?

    Why not side with Japanese Nationalism, Korean Nationalism, Indian Nationalism, Arab Nationalism, even Mestizo Nationalism, even African Nationalism – against the JEW?

    Why not? Everybody hates JEWS. Why not choose them as the enemy – considering their anti-nationalism, their consistent track record against Nationalism? Why choose Jew Nationalism (Zionism) vs. all the other nationalisms?

    Why not? Because jews would complain?

    Why not throw jews under the bus, and join with the rest of humanity?

    Sure – jews won’t like it – but who cares?

    They may make a convenient scapegoat, maybe even a deserving scapegoat. Might it not be in the interest of European/White people to choose jews as the enemy and join up with all the other races against them?

    If it is “good for the Whites” to side with Palestinians and all the rest against the jews – ok. Why not? Why should we give a damn about jews?

    Perhaps anti-semitism would make quite a good rallying point to join all the races against a common enemy? The only people who would complain are the jews and goys – so, who cares about them anyway?

    The jew strategy has always been to “unite” all races against “racist whitey” – why not join all races against “evil jews?”

    Why not? Give us one good reason why we shouldn’t use jews just like they have always tried to use us as a rallying point for all races? Why not a pan-nationalist movement against jews? From Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Koreans, even Africans – we all have common cause against the Internationalist Jew Zionists?

    Sounds like a pragmatic solution to me. F*** the Jews. Everybody already has a negative opinion about Zionists – looks like a great rallying point to me.

    Who will complain? Jews? Who cares? Isn’t that a GOOD thing?

    All races – all nationalities – unite against the International Jews!

  223. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 26, 2012 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I had never heard that song before, but his voice sounds familiar.

    Lately I don’t listen to much pop music. Something about that song was beautiful. Though a part of me isn’t sure what to think about it.

    Well I guess that’s all I needed to know about you. Are you on any kind of psychotropic medications by any chance?

  224. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 26, 2012 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    @90404: No, he wasn’t. He didn’t care if people thought he was, though.

  225. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    February 25, 2012 - 11:34 pm | Permalink

    KEVIN….OFFTOPIC BUT

    Was Charlie Chaplin Jewish?

  226. Lady Barkingmad's Gravatar Lady Barkingmad
    February 25, 2012 - 11:31 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Your item #3 – yup. Nobody has said it better.

  227. Sean Grant's Gravatar Sean Grant
    February 25, 2012 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    New article please, this one is rank garbage having nothing to do with White intrests. And the bickering is not becoming of this blog.
    I don’t even know why it was run here in the first place.

  228. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    February 25, 2012 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    BLUE ROSE:
    ‘the Muslims the US military let’s in. Also recruiting hispanic gang members in hopes of ‘reforming’ them by teaching all and sundry the use of military weapons, styles, and tactics. ‘

    WE FIGHT THEM THERE AND INVITE THEM HERE.

  229. February 25, 2012 - 10:48 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I had never heard that song before, but his voice sounds familiar.

    Lately I don’t listen to much pop music. Something about that song was beautiful. Though a part of me isn’t sure what to think about it.

  230. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    February 25, 2012 - 10:29 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    When I wrote an article in praise of Rachel Corrie, “Our Rachel”, Jason Speaks was back again in the forefront of my attackers, vilifying me for daring to honor a White woman who had died under an Israeli bulldozer — thus bring dear old Israel into disrepute!

    I neither know nor do I care if Jason Speaks is one of those infamous hasbarat operatives.

    I am sad that Rachel Corrie died, but could she really be described as OUR Rachel? I can’t honestly say I am pro-Palestinian and IDGAD if Israel survives or not. To me, my only interest in that wretched region of the world is that the USA rectifies its mistake of getting involved in what seems to me like the latest manifestation of a 5000 year old (Isaac-Ishmael) family squabble.

    There are WHITE causes she could have put herself in the line of fire for and she didn’t do so. Sorry, but if she had been killed in Johannesburg while trying to help White South Africans out of that hellhole, I could see her as some kind of White martyr. If she was in Israel trying to stop White sexual slavery, I could see it.

    But to me, she seemed to be acting like yet another idealistic White anti-racist who was defending the rights of what she perceived to be oppressed Non-White Palestinians victimized by White Ashkenazi Jewish bullies. Would she have gotten involved if Whites were being oppressed by Non-Whites like in South Africa? Or if the Jordanians were the ones bullying the Palestinians?

    Again, I don’t have a dog in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute. I feel that Corrie’s death could have been avoided by Corrie herself. Americans need to stop picking sides, period, and refuse to be dragged into this by either the Israelis OR the Arabs. We need to do as RP suggested and mind our own business.

    But

  231. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 10:28 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    You might like this. Maybe something for your new blog?

    A Dedication to Jesus Christ

  232. February 25, 2012 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    I enjoyed your comment.

    I’m a Christian. But at the moment I do not belong to any particular denomination.

    How do you feel about Kinism? Or Christian Identity? Would Kinists have been allowed in the old alliance?

    From what I have read, which isn’t much, I like Kinism — they seem like solidly pro-White Christians. Hopefully Kinism is the future of Christianity. Everything I’ve seen from them is… so good.

    I love the idea/belief that Christ was White. (Not that most Kinists believe that.) A couple weeks ago, when I allowed myself the possibility that Christ might’ve been White, something special happened inside me.

  233. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    February 25, 2012 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    @Clytemnestra: Great comment, which I managed to overlook.

    Thanks, Trenchant.

    We all need to calm down. I’d like to point out a few things.

    Here are MY reasons why I just roll my eyes over this Iran hysteria:

    As its attack on Iraq’s nuclear reactor on 6/7/1981 proved, Israel is perfectly capable of attacking a ME country all by itself. So what is holding Israel from doing the job itself on Iran? Where is this pressure from the Neo-Clowns to drag the USA into another preemptive strike using the same stupid WMD excuse that got us into Iraq coming from? After that and its prior raid on Entebbe, why doesn’t Israel just flex its muscles and take care of business all by its lonesome?

    Better yet, the question of what contingency plan to maintain its own existence does Israel have if the USA itself ceases to exist? What if the USA itself is blown off the map by Russia or what if China invades to collect the country as collateral on all the money we owe them? Or what if the USA disintegrates as a country with Mexico retaking the SW and every remaining state that can secedes from Washington? Then what?

    Surely, I am not the only American that the thought that the Israelis will defend Israel’s right to exist to the last drop of American blood and the last penny of American treasury. It’s not like Zionists do not have another Jewish homeland (Birozhiban) to flee to. Too bad for them that more and more Americans (thanks to Ron Paul – no wonder they hate his guts) are refusing to go along with the okie-dokie.

    When Obama was running in office for 2008, I witnessed a conversation between a black man who had noticed a pro-Obama bumper sticker on a white man’s vehicle and asked him why he was supporting Obama (this was when the Repugnants were accusing Obama of being a socialist and a Muslim) and the white guy told the black guy he was not voting for Obama so much as voting against John “Bomb Iran” McCain. He did not want to be lied into another war.

    So, it’s time for our Shabby Goy politicians in Washington to grow a set and call Netanyahu’s bluff AGAIN by telling him to take care of business himself. Israel’s so-called Samson Option did not go into effect then and with half of the Israelis maintaining dual citizenship with the USA and other countries or foreign passports/visas and the other half trying to frantically lay their hands on one, I do not believe Operation Samson IS an option for a bunch of rats who are about to leave the sinking ship.

    AFAIC, if Ron Paul does not get the Repugnant nomination, I will be voting Libertarian or A3P, but I will NOT be holding my nose and voting in any Repugnant Neo-Clown even if that means four more years of the Obamanation.

    Our people can survive an incompetent black brothah in the White House, but we will never survive a corrupt Shabby Goy whore whose lips remain permanently affixed to AIPAC’s ass.

  234. February 25, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    @fender: “No, the problem is that if you took 100 White nationalists you’d have 100 different people who all think they know the right way to govern a White nation.

    “One person will want a Christian theocracy where all affairs are governed by the Church…[etc.]

    “Everyone on here wants a different kind of country, and I think that’s partly due to our natural individualism. My country, for example, would be structured around eugenics and aristocratic values, because I believe in both hard science and the transcendent. Marxism and Christianity, in my country, would be outlawed as being harmful to Whites. There are obviously a lot of Christian WNs, so how many of them would accept a nation like that?”

    I’m not a Christian, though, like most Americans, was raised one, at least nominally. Outlawing Christianity and Marxism sounds fine with me. The one alien creed mirrors the other anyway, both sprung from Judaism. See: Bolshevism From Moses to Lenin.

    You have described this TOO watering hole pretty much correctly: “100 folks with 100 opinions of what’s right”. This is commonly known as the Big Tent or Umbrella approach, and it won’t work.

    You would have liked Dr. Pierce’s National Alliance, fender. We members all shared the same world view for the most part and it conformed to your own vision that opposes both Marxism and Christianity. Christians could join our Alliance but soon learned that their escapist creed and their practice of praying to the enemy’s tribal god would be strongly discouraged. We see it as like trying to drive a car with one foot on the accelerator and the other jammed on the brake — counterproductive.

    Our Membership Handbook devoted five pages to Christianity as an ideology opposed to that of the Alliance (Individualism was also addressed in our Handbook as another opposed ideology, for that matter, since you mention it). If a new member insisted on promoting otherworldly Christianity among our wide-eyed members after reading Alliance policy, he would soon find himself being encouraged to join the Council of Conservative Citizens or Aryan Nations or the Ku Klux Klan, groups that are based on Christian principles. We liked that Dr. Pierce instructed members that if they belonged to a church that had a policy opposed to our Alliance’s on, say, homosexuality or race-mixing, then those members should either quit that church or quit our Alliance. What a courageous, unique stand to take! That’s how one builds consensus and strength; based in truth, not superstition and gullibility.

    A shared ideology that conforms to Nature’s Laws, grounded in reality and the primacy of race is what we all enjoyed as Alliance members. We told the brutal truths that not only are races unequal, but so are individuals within the races. Duh! There was no Holocaust and there is no Jesus who will save us. These issues are settled. If someone wants to argue about those things he can go somewhere else. We have a race to arouse, inspire and organize and no time for such diversionary bullshit.

    Hadding is right: “Insufficient policing is the problem.” Of course, with the Big Tent approach, coupled with a bunch of anonymous posters on the internet (the perfect medium for liars), it doesn’t really matter, does it?

    With our Alliance we could always count on Dr. Pierce and his associates’ not allowing disruptors and others “not with the program” to contradict sound policy, steer us off our course, spread doubts and demoralize or confuse the membership.

    As members we all agreed on the simple goals and program of the Alliance when we applied for membership. Jews and other non-Whites, homosexuals, prisoners, people with non-White dependents, drug addicts, were all ineligible for membership in our small tent. As Dr. Pierce put it back in the 1970’s: we will build a movement of will and determination around the minority who agree with our values, not with the majority who do not. That’s the true meaning of the so-called Vanguard approach. That is what’s lacking today.

    The National Alliance was destroyed after Dr. Pierce’s death by successors who squandered all we had build by compromising on fundamental principles. They went Big Tent on us for the sake of expediency, became Christian-friendly, removed those five pages of the Handbook dealing with Christianity as an opposed ideology. The blunder backfired and members voted with their feet.

    Hadding’s right. His detractors here, particularly Lucy the researcher, don’t know beans about what it will take to build a viable White resistance.

  235. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    Also, she has studied Sanskrit and you will find a few Sanskrit translations on her site. She reveals in her bin Laden article that she had spent a lot of time in India and had studied Sanskrit under a Bengali expert.

    As for Lasha having exotic or foreign blood, I can reveal to you that Lasha’s mother is a White American and her father Anglo-French, i.e., half English and half French.

    hmm well this is totally weird. I find 5 similarities to a website whose articles I read regularly.

    1. He, too, once mentioned he studied sanskrit in India

    2. He is white and an American living in Washington State, and he knows classical French (meaning the French words used in the 16th Century), and is undoubtedly part French, with connections to Southern France.

    3. His main theme is Armageddon (for the most) part.

    4. But he also appears to have had a classical education because the scope of his subject matter is incredible, including his latest piece about myths and classical music (Renaissance, Bach, Wagner).

    5. He, too, would have to be circumspect on who he gives podcasts too, I imagine, given who he actually is.

    I don’t want to reveal who I am thinking of because this would be a kind of ‘outing’ if I were right, and it is not my right to mention his name outright.

    I wish … JH is that you? (Here I mean Lasha, of course)

  236. European's Gravatar European
    February 25, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Jason Speaks
    February 25, 2012 – 5:52 pm | Permalink
    @Alice Teller:

    Thank you and again thank you for your comments on this website. I believe you represent the sensibilities of the vast majority of whites that can be reached.

    Yes Jason, you, her, and a few others scratch each others back, the dumbed down US majority, she would be easily controlled by you along with some others. There is no one on this site that causes so much conflict as you do Jason. But lucky for you, you have a few new-comers that don’t know your track-record, and you are getting better with your writing styles (you no longer use vulgar language), better temper management, and thereby better in fooling others. Nothing has changed though, Jason remains Jason.
    Sorry to have visited. No friends here, the smart ones remain silent. So long!

    Lasha, don’t get intimidated. You write just fine. Pride, US nationality pride, male pride etc. blinds them and attack others inhumanely. WE all can disagree agreeably.

    Hate to see this blog go to pot due to Jason and a few others like Alice Teller here, who’s style of engagements with others is repulsive, (she kisses…, Joe got it right way back when… she appeared) For my well-being I will check out. Too toxic!

  237. February 25, 2012 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Being misunderstood is a horrible feeling/experience.

    For me, it’s almost scary. And I think it’s probably that way for others too. We all care what others think about us.

    Maybe a lot of the things being said in the comments under this article are based on different kinds of misunderstandings.

    I’ve misunderstood people in the past. And I would get upset, and then find out later that I had no reason. I’ve been a big fool in the past. I still have some degree of foolishness, but a lot of it is gone. And the credit belongs to Christ.

    And there have been times when I’ve been misunderstood by others — they got upset when I hadn’t really done anything wrong. All of it because of a misinterpretation or misunderstanding, etc.

    Sometimes communication is difficult, especially over the internet. We can’t see a person’s facial expression or tone of voice, etc. That’s one of the reasons why I try to avoid sarcasm. Some people like it and believe it’s effective, but I have concerns about it — though I admit that I’m not an expert on the effectiveness of sarcasm.

    Hadding Scott has many gifts, and so does Lasha Darkmoon and Lucy — and every single person under this article. I’m not trying to sound like a “we’re all winners” liberal… it’s just the truth — I see the comments and there is undeniable goodness in virtually all of them. I see intelligent people who care about this cause. Hopefully we can channel in great ways.

    I’m not discouraging arguing, or even heated arguing. But I’m encouraging others to consider the likely possibility that there have been misunderstandings which have contributed to unnecessary insults.

    Have a good weekend, all.

  238. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    If Master can’t abide flies, he should get himself a swatter and get his eye in, because he’s but one, and the flies, many. I see a lot of shooing ahead.

  239. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

    @fender: Exactly. The unity ticket is a Hadding Scott fantasy. It’s never going to happen as long as there are “flies” like me to get in master’s ointment. MacDonald’s writings on an innate, individualistic tendency of Europeans are lost on him, despite the erudition he claims.

    That said, I don’t have any problem with him or his ilk running little Prussia, but it won’t be on my taxes and I won’t be bound by his strictures.

  240. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 25, 2012 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Thank you and again thank you for your comments on this website. I believe you represent the sensibilities of the vast majority of whites that can be reached.

  241. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    February 25, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Let it never be said that WNs can’t be liberals. Given this site’s Comment Policy on censoring personal insults, the moderator (whom one could safely assume to be a WN) has to be about as liberal as they get…

  242. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    DELETED

  243. February 25, 2012 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    DELETED

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  245. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:
    @Hadding Scott:

    I dissociate myself from my research assistant’s sentiments. She does nor speak for me. I wish she would exercise more restraint.

  246. Bob Johnson's Gravatar Bob Johnson
    February 25, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    America will destroy Iran with no casualties. One thing this country is good at is killing.

  247. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 25, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “Probably so, if it were governed on libertarian principles. Order and harmony require an authority to maintain them. When one person is allowed to be obnoxious, say, harping on the same dead issue ad nauseam, others start to lose patience and return the hostility. Insufficient policing is the problem”

    No, the problem is that if you took 100 White nationalists you’d have 100 different people who all think they know the right way to govern a White nation.

    One person will want a Christian theocracy where all affairs are governed by the Church, like medieval England. Another person will want a socialist police state like the USSR, only governed by Whites. Another person will want a recreation of Nazi Germany. Another person will want a deregulated capitalist state like early America. Some will want a scientifically advanced nation, others will want an agrarian nation.

    Everyone on here wants a different kind of country, and I think that’s partly due to our natural individualism. My country, for example, would be structured around eugenics and aristocratic values, because I believe in both hard science and the transcendent. Marxism and Christianity, in my country, would be outlawed as being harmful to Whites. There are obviously a lot of Christian WNs, so how many of them would accept a nation like that?

  248. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 25, 2012 - 2:32 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Alas, your are all too right. I have rarely been more dis-spirited regarding our ever moving beyond this sad state.

  249. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    “…there is definitely something about Lasha’s writing style that comes across non-European in character. That said…these things are very hard to tell just from writing.”

    You may have a point about Lasha’s style of writing, but I suggest to you that this could spring from her classical education. Lots of Latin and Greek in her background.

    Also, she has studied Sanskrit and you will find a few Sanskrit translations on her site. She reveals in her bin Laden article that she had spent a lot of time in India and had studied Sanskrit under a Bengali expert.

    All this has probably rubbed off on to her.

    As for Lasha having exotic or foreign blood, I can reveal to you that Lasha’s mother is a White American and her father Anglo-French, i.e., half English and half French.

    I can vouch for this because I have met Lasha in person and communicate with her on a daily basis. I do research for her. She is an attractive young woman in her early thirties who bears a striking resemblance to a silent screen actress of the 1930s. For obvious reasons, I can’t tell you which actress.

  250. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “When one person is allowed to be obnoxious, say, harping on the same dead issue ad nauseam, others start to lose patience and return the hostility. Insufficient policing is the problem.”

    We won’t ask who the obnoxious person is. And we won’t ask you would like to do the policing.

  251. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 25, 2012 - 2:08 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Why not apply this doctrine/behavior to yourself?

  252. Thea's Gravatar Thea
    February 25, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Iran means “land of the Aryans.” The symbolism, surely, will not be lost on the Israelis. It’s probably the driving reason behind their wanting to attack Iran.

  253. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 25, 2012 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    @Joe:

    re: Joe posted on February 25, 2012 – 5:16 am

    How very true, and how sad!

    Even the present face of the U.S. in UN (Susan Rice) is so repulsive! She sometimes looks like a ghetto hooker. Tragedy!

  254. February 25, 2012 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    There’s no finer example of the disorganized and chaotic nature of WN than this thread. If we ever actually had our own nation it’d be exactly like this, with non-stop bickering and paranoia.

    Probably so, if it were governed on libertarian principles. Order and harmony require an authority to maintain them. When one person is allowed to be obnoxious, say, harping on the same dead issue ad nauseam, others start to lose patience and return the hostility. Insufficient policing is the problem.

  255. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 25, 2012 - 1:12 pm | Permalink

    A couple comments:

    1. Russia and China are not allies with Iran. Russia is still Jew-controlled to a large extent, and China gets much of its military technology from Israel. If the US and Israel decide to blitzkrieg Iran don’t expect either Russia or China to do anything. Both nations speak loudly but carry small sticks.

    2. Someone here mentioned how Jews want to have their cake and eat it too, in that they want the US to be their superpower bulldog, and simultaneously want to destroy it. This is basically a kind of schizophrenia which they can’t get rid of, and it’s precisely why they can never have the world order they want. Real leadership requires honesty and empathy, and a people like them- schizophrenic, resentful, and hostile- cannot lead, they can only level.

    3. There’s no finer example of the disorganized and chaotic nature of WN than this thread. If we ever actually had our own nation it’d be exactly like this, with non-stop bickering and paranoia.

  256. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 25, 2012 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    “The Jews know there is a rise in antis-Semitism because the world has seen the underlying brutal nature, and that the world is watching them.”

    Exactly…so it’s good for us right? That Israel is being Israel exactly as it is. This is why a war on Iran works out bad for us on balance. We are doing well as things are. People are changing their views enmasse.
    I’m really seeing this all over the place.

  257. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 25, 2012 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    blue – yeah….there is definitely something about Lasha’s writing style that comes across non-European in character. That said…these things are very hard to tell just from writing. Also…I wouldn’t see that as a problem. Europeans do have friends, and do have common enemies with other peoples. It’s very cool actually.

  258. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 25, 2012 - 1:01 pm | Permalink

    @omop:
    I say that this sort of monstrous inhumanity is about what I would expect from a Jewish feminist who worked for and defended Bill Clinton.

    Please understand, I do not defend the current regime in America. I do love my country and my kin who serve in the armed forces. I suspect that for many Americans it is a case of loving your mother even if she is a whore and addict. America is so much more than the government.

  259. February 25, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    In a word, you didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to figure out in 2003 that Iran was on the itinerary, since it was one of the nations that David Frum put on George W. Bush’s “Axis of Evil.”

  260. February 25, 2012 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    The late (2006) conspiracy tracker Sherman Skolnick, who was a Jew, was writing articles in 2004 about plans to attack Iran and Syria.

    Skolnick has also written some crazy stuff that never panned out. I wrote indicated the possibility of coming wars against Syria and Iran in early 2003; so I guess I beat him to it. The fact that a war against Syria was already being contemplated before the invasion of Iraq had even been completed was evident in the claims, e.g. by Judith Miller, that Saddam Hussein had transferred his WMDs thither, and Iran’s backing of Hezbollah, obviously a huge barrier to the Zionist Jews’ ambitions that they couldn’t overcome despite the efforts of two disastrous wars.

  261. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    February 25, 2012 - 12:37 pm | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly:

    Thanks for the compliment. It means a lot.

    As far as being a peace-keeper… I never saw myself as one in the past, and even now it’s not something I really think about or try to be. But sometimes I feel like I can’t help it.

    If I see two intelligent people, both of whom seem to have good intentions, resorting to (what appears to me to be) unnecessary personal insults, then I try to help them realize that both of them are bringing something good to the table, that both of them are probably partially right.

    There is probably some amount of truth, maybe a lot/maybe a little, in virtually every comment or perspective. It’s a matter of separating the good/true stuff from the unnecessary stuff, and then figuring out how to fit the (good) pieces of the puzzle together in a way that honors whatever amount of truth is in each person’s perspective/comment, which can be complex. And I doubt that is my job here. I don’t have advanced degrees, or even a lot of life experience or book-reading. So when someone I respect (like Farnham O’Reilly or others) gives me a compliment, it makes me feel good — knowing that I might have contributed something good to this movement, somehow. Even if it is something seemingly small… It’s such a comforting thought, the thought of helping White people in our time of need.

    I think people have different levels of vision, different gifts to bring to this movement. Some people see the world from the ground. Some see it from a mountain, and others see it from an airplane high in the sky. Maybe some see it from a space station in outer space. But everyone has something unique to offer.

  262. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    Katana: I take your point about commenters on this site being just as much “writers” as authors who contibute full-length feature articles. But there is a subtle difference.

    There’s an unwritten rule here that feature writers do NOT attack their fellow writers. No other feature writer does this. They know better.

    I have given my reasons here, and I give them again:

    The logic is simple: you don’t attack the work of a better writer than yourself, because this makes you look foolish and envious; nor do you attack the work of a new beginner writer who has still much to learn, because nice people don’t behave like this. You encourage such new writers and praise them when you can. That shows true nobility of spirit.

    The best writers on this site, old hands such as Edmund Connelly, know how to behave responsibly.

    These professionals generally confine their comments to their own articles. If they do comment on their fellow writers’ articles, they generally exercise restraint. They refrain from disparaging and contemptuous remarks. They are smart enough to know that to behave in this intemperate way is to cast doubts on the judgment of the editor of this site.<blockquote

  263. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    @katana:

    Any writer who fails the Spelling Bee test to which you refer can only be regarded as an amateur.

    Next you will be saying that it’s okay for writers on the Occidental Observer to use bad grammar!

  264. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 25, 2012 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius:
    But that is exactly the problem! Jews will never accept a quid pro quo agreement. That presupposes an honourableness that they simply don’t possess. They want to eat their cake and have it too : destroying all White countries with multiculturalism and “anti-racism” while at the same time using the US for financial, political and military help to have their own ethno-state. Jews will always remain Jews, don’t be under any illusion about that.

  265. February 25, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I believe what most people fail to realize, is that the reason for an attack on Iran will be economic, just as virtually all wars of the past 500 years have been. The decision has been made, by those who control the political agenda in the “Western style democracies” to take over the world, both politically and economically. The saneness of attacking Iran doesn’t matter. The late (2006) conspiracy tracker Sherman Skolnick, who was a Jew, was writing articles in 2004 about plans to attack Iran and Syria. At one point he predicted late 2011 or early 2012.
    Whether people like Henry A. Eckstein believe it or not, Russia and China will be forced to hep Iran. After all, the encirclement of Russia by “NATO” – the muscle of the kleptocracy – is paramount in order to isolate China. Both Russia and China understand that they are next on the list. The path to Persia is through Syria. http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2009/06_iran_strategy/06_iran_strategy.pdf
    Henry A. Eckstein boasts of powerful weaponry that he has tested. While the rounds per minute are impressive, and tungsten is heavy, the SS-N-22 has a launch weight of 3950 kg. the equivalent of 13,000+ rounds weighing one ounce. That is a lot of direct hits.
    What is unknown is what other weapons Russia and China have provided to Iran. Reports suggest the “new” versions of the Sunburn have speed in excess of Mach 2.9, or 2100 mph. That would cover 40 miles in under 90 seconds from launch. There are also reports that the “new” versions take evasive action during flight.
    The real thing we have to fear is Putin’s directive to his Chiefs of Staff in October 2011 – prepare for Armageddon.
    The psychopaths in charge don’t care.

  266. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 25, 2012 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: To me, the solution is to pray for peace. I don’t want our soldiers fighting any war. However, if they did, the best case scenario would be a sort of bloodless stalemate, where we realize to win would take too massive of a commitment, and so we would retreat to a purely defensive position, permanently. Then, we could massively scale back US defense spending, and let the UN pay the bills, like everyone else does.
    I think people are talking about Israel getting whipped by Iran, with us staying out of it. That would be hard to imagine, us staying out of it, but we appear to be telling them that, yet they will go anyway and expect us to bail their sorry arse out of it. Alice mentioned the other possibility, that we will give them billions to not be bad boys, which shows our government to be run by total losers.

  267. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 25, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    As White Nationalists, we should ask ourselves “why we oppose Israel?” Is it becsause they are an ethno state? Is it because Zionisim is a racist ideology? Is it because they took Palestine by force of arms? Is it because they refuse to assimilate with Palestinians? No. We oppose Israel because their co-ethnics in the U.S. are a bunch of hippocrites that hate us with a passion, and because Israel is a back stabbing, belligerent albatross around our necks with nuclear warheads pointed at us. It’s disingenuous for us to pontificate like liberals to point out their hippocrisy. As Dr.MacDonald pointed out, if they were willing to do a quid pro quo, our opposition would cease.

  268. February 25, 2012 - 11:47 am | Permalink

    I hope nobody minds if I edit and repost. It is a bit more important than many recent posts….

    I urge readers check the basis of ‘nuclear’ weapons. These were a hoax originally, and probably are still. Look at http://www.nukelies.com for (1) Clear evidence Hiroshima/ Nagasaki were not ‘nuked’ (2) Clear evidence films of tests including H bombs were faked (3) Circumstantial evidence nuclear power doesn’t work.

    This is important because of the doubt cast on the alleged uranium targets in Iran, but also on the viability of Israel. This could be the start of the unravelling of the whole of Jewish influence, both in the physical sense, and because of the feeling of betrayal over scientific fraud.

    Please check it out – it’s 100% serious.

  269. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    February 25, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I think instead of just inquiring into yourself you should do some objective inquiries and logic-checks too

    I try to consider those things too, of course.

    I’m not sure I have the intellectual ability or emotional willingness/strength to take on that task in this particular situation, though.

  270. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    February 25, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    @blue rose: Look, I consider you a friend and not an enemy. I don’t want to argue with you. All I said was the enemies of our enemies CAN BE (not “are”) our enemies.

    Actually, that was an error; I meant “friend” and made the subsequent correction, but in this case, oddly enough, the original error may suit us both just fine. Cyber-karma?

    @Richard: Richard, I really like your posts. You have been a wonderful peace-keeper a number of times, so if I continue to find myself with my tail in a crack angering our lady friends, help me out, eh?

  271. February 25, 2012 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    @Richard:

    I’m not sure where I’m going with this. Other than… I see myself in Hadding Scott, in his values and perspective. I see myself in Hadding’s detractor, Lucy.

    I think instead of just inquiring into yourself you should do some objective inquiries and logic-checks too, because Lucy assumes my essay on TOO is the only thing I’ve written, and I don’t see how anybody could say that some of the comments by “Dr. Lasha Darmoon” make sense, particularly the claim about how he/she/it thought Jason Speaks might be some ex-boyfriend. That right there should have set off a giant alarm-bell with the word LIAR painted on it big red letters. Why anybody still takes for granted that it’s a female behind that name is beyond me. I don’t care if somebody uses a fake persona but the manipulativeness and attention-whoring in this instance is repulsive.

  272. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly:

    Not so. Study Nature – Nature does not submit to egalitarianism. Humans are subject to Nature’s laws – man’s laws do not trump Nature’s laws.

    What on earth are you talking about? Men — down through the ages — have been the builders of civilization. Women have had their part, to be sure, on the breeding end and doing other assorted things (‘help-meets’ as the Bible calls it), but look at what Feminism has brought everyone to — castration of the Male and total confusion as to everything else.

    I don’t mean to imply — at all — that ‘woman’s place is in the home, as many women have suffered under male domination. But yapping Feminists have made a mess of everything altogether. I saw the attempt to castrate Hadding Scott by Ms. Lucy when she came on board — so typically femi-nazi in her vituperative screed that it’s sickening. Women don’t think like men, and women these days seem too concerned with upholding their feminist agenda than seeing the mess they have made with everything.

    Anyway, f*ck it.

  273. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    February 25, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    This article has a lot of comments under it. Some of them are difficult (painful) to read. And that is because…

    In a way, we all sort of exist inside each other. That’s something I’ve come to believe. Maybe.

    When I read the comments, I resonate with pretty much everyone. In some way, we become what (or who) we read. I can honestly agree, almost completely, with any comment written here on T.O.O. I’m not bragging, and I’m not even sure my ability to fully resonate with everyone is a good thing.

    A few years ago I started doing a self-inquiry practice. A kind of self-help thing. The basic idea is to question the source of one’s fears or frustrations. If a guy named Bill upset me, I write down “Bill is a jerk and he should not have done that to me.”

    Then I look at ways in my own life that I have behaved the way Bill did toward me. Some people call this practice “owning one’s shadow or owning one’s projections.” (Maybe that is psychology mumbo jumbo or new age nonsense. I don’t know. But it did work for me when I first started doing it.)

    This practice really did help at first. And after a while it become mental habit. But I’m not sure that it’s a good thing always. It seems like maybe we’re supposed to get upset at evil behavior or attitudes.

    My point is, all the comments under this article make sense, if we see them from the writer’s perspective. That sounds like a liberal idea. And maybe it is. But there is truth in it.

    That does not necessarily mean that everyone’s perspective is just as right or just as good as everyone else’s. I’m probably not qualified to judge that stuff, although I do have opinions.

    I’m not sure where I’m going with this. Other than… I see myself in Hadding Scott, in his values and perspective. I see myself in Hadding’s detractor, Lucy.

    The best people I know are good, old-fashioned Christians. And they don’t do use this self-inquiry practice. So I’m not recommending it. I’m just sharing my experience with it. It might be based on some Eastern religious concepts of non-dualism, as not seeing ourselves as separate from anyone else. I’m not sure I understand that stuff, or agree with it.

  274. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    @Farnham O’Reilly:

    Farnham, sorry but I don’t buy that old axiom. In the end, “the enemy of my enemy” then becomes MY ENEMY. Look what’s going on in England right this minute with the EDL/BNP doing all they can possibly do fighting off the Muslim (Asian) hordes in their country and trying to take over. Hell they go into a rage whenever they see the British flag flying. Don’t bother explaining to me that the EDL (and rumors the BNP also) have joined forced with the Jews on this problem. I suppose it’s o.k. on this problem, as the UK consists of small countries and each has their Muslim Problem, and both EDL/BNP need all the help they can get. However, I notice the Jews let the White EDL/BNP do all the hard work by holding their demos — with nary a Jew in sight. I am certain EDL/BNP is taking note of this as well. Other factions deal with the Jews in the meantime.

  275. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 25, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    Opposition to war for White Nationalists should take the form of George Ball’s opposition to Vietnam, it’s not in our interests, not liberal moralizing about saintly third worlders. Recall George and his son Douglas gained anti-semitic status for writing The Passionate Attachment.

  276. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    February 25, 2012 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Correction: The enemies of our enemies can be our friends. Sorry, haven’t had my coffee yet.

  277. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    February 25, 2012 - 10:50 am | Permalink

    @katana: Not so. Study Nature – Nature does not submit to egalitarianism. Humans are subject to Nature’s laws – man’s laws do not trump Nature’s laws.

    Oftentimes in the spring I run across bears – I always hope it is a boar; a boar can usually be bought off with a granola bar, but a sow can’t be bought off period.

    @blue rose: Who knows? Whatever it may be, let us know that the friends of our freinds can be our friends, and the enemies of our enemies can be our enemies.

    Regardless, hey, we all come from a long line of women!

  278. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 25, 2012 - 10:48 am | Permalink

    Ms A. Teller acccused Darkmoon of being blood thirsty. Wonder what her reaction would have been to the following….

    In an interview on CBS when Madeleine Albright US Sec. of State was asked by Stahl with regards to effect of sanctions against Iraq: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” Albright replied: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — WE think the price is worth it.”

    Thats half a million CHILDREN [admittedly not white] but still children. What say you A.T ?

  279. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    @Tom:

    The Jews know there is a rise in antis-Semitism because the world has seen the underlying brutal nature, and that the world is watching them. Truly they are a race of Reptilians, capable of anything. Here is what I was reading just now:

    “I look into the Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s glowering eyes and I see a latent insanity there. His look betrays all hope in me of a return during mounting crisis of rational brinksmanship of earlier Israeli foreign ministers and prime ministers. That man’s eyes, no less glowering than Netanyahu’s these days, makes me think I might have to publish … [my] commentary from far off 1994 explaining how the Jewish State might “accidentally on purpose” trigger a Second Holocaust.”

    I don’t think the Jews want to ‘go there’, and the US government is aware people are fed up with the US government as well, and now watching carefully what, if any, part the US plays in this one.

  280. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 10:30 am | Permalink

    I’d also like to know specifically what her ethnic origin is.

  281. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    From all we’ve learned about people that hold ‘duel citizenship’, that is certainly one tip off. It shouldn’t be allowed, and that would solve *that* problem.

    But Lasha is not European. Her ethnic origin is from one of the ME countries. I thought I saw somewhere (maybe on her website) that she’s Christian. If so, what religion? Is it one of the Christian sects from the ME? I’m very curious about this, as I’m rather fond of the Zorastrian religion (also the Bahá’ís and Mandeans, and maybe even the Yezidis and Yarsanis, though I really just scanned the latter two). I suspect Lasha, however, is none of the above. But if she is willing to say what religion she belongs to, I’m just interested to know that much.

  282. katana's Gravatar katana
    February 25, 2012 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    Farnham O’Reilly wrote:
    February 25, 2012 – 9:53 am



    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – one of our good women is worth ten of our good men. 


    —————–

    Sorry, but this is bullsh*t. The Western world’s female ego’s have been inflated enough to Hindenburg proportions.

    Their worth is immeasurable in terms of producing babies. Their contribution otherwise is like any male, on a case by case basis.

  283. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    February 25, 2012 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    We are seeing a lot of frustration here at TOO comments, because we know that this attack, or a false flag trigger could be pulled as soon as early March. The Jewish revenge holiday of Purim approaches: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim

    2012 Date: Sunset, 7 March – nightfall, 8 March

    The Jews are howling for blood. Don’t believe it—turn on your TV.

  284. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 25, 2012 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    A “dual” citizen that comes to the U.S. occasionally, that explains alot, doesn’t it? Typical American hating Euro trash. This could have been written by Abbie Hoffman or Ira Einhorn, with all of its bloviating about evil white imperialists abusing innocent third world denizens. Darkmoon is a Rainbow Cap masquerading as a white nationalist.

  285. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    When a certain authoress brings her femi-n*zi friends on board, you can be certain it’s gang-up time on the White Man.

    Lasha’s article is neither here nor there, as far as I’m concerned. I can read such articles over and over on the internet. I did give her the benefit of the doubt, at first. But now I wish to Heave TOO would put up a new article written by someone else.

    I’d sure like to see a sampling of those poems that Lasha’s friend would not allow on his website because readers found them too debased (or whatever words she used). Just saying. I’d like to see a sampling of the unpublished poems.

  286. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    February 25, 2012 - 9:53 am | Permalink

    Just got back in the office and, my oh my! 347 comments so far, most of very, very high caliber, all prompted by a very literary and inspirational lady!

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – one of our good women is worth ten of our good men.

  287. katana's Gravatar katana
    February 25, 2012 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 – 6:58 am
    wrote:

    “Hadding Scott, I repeat, breaches the unwritten rule of this site: THOU SHALT NOT RUBBISH THE WORK OF THY FELLOW WRITERS.
    By doing so, Hadding Scott displays not only his inability to handle jealousy issues but demonstrates his limited intelligence.”

    We are all ‘writers’ on this blog whether we are posters or commenters. All subject to praise and criticism alike.

    “A man who pretends to erudition and doesn’t know the difference between laissez-faire and laissé faire is not a man who can be taken seriously.”

    LOL. I didn’t realize that TOO was actually a Spelling Bee forum in disguise. WTF!

    I’ve just now read Hading Scott’s TOO post you mentioned, Our Weapon: The Truth, and found it valuable and intelligent.

  288. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    Ooops I left part of a sentence off:

    “Please send your most valiant and synchronistic energies to the BNP/EDL for complete success, and the Muslims (“Asians) THAT PESTILENCE BE DRIVEN FROM THE UK.”

  289. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    Imagine the Muslims in the UK not liking the British flag, and then the police trying to get the EDL/BNP to take them down ! Whereas, imo, these Muslims are not even British.

    An update: there is an EDL/BNP demo going on RIGHT NOW. Please send your most valiant and synchronistic energies to the BNP/EDL for complete success, and the Muslims (“Asians). The White English people are really up against it over there in the UK, that let’s in these hordes with their halal slaughter of defenseless animals, sharia neighborhoods no-go zones to the White English, and their grooming of young White girls for sexual use, and who are turning the UK (Scotland, Whales, Ireland too) into a hell hole, buying up Christian churches and turning them into mosques. Let these Muslims (Asians) be shown what a book-jack on the neck *really* means.

    ‘News has just come in that there are app 3000 members of the Muslim community congregating outside the local mosque in Hyde and appx 200 of these people have tried to brake through police lines to charge the BNP demo. The BNP site suggests that police have instructed them to move and take down British flags which are enraging the Muslim community, but they have refused to so and will not be moved despite police threatening physical interjection.

    ‘Elsewhere, reports that British White citizens are lining the streets of Hyde to celebrate and cheer the arrival of the EDL. Unconfirmed reports suggest that police are turning away some EDL coaches, and the North East coaches (4 of) is currently delayed and will be arriving late.

    ‘Police and EDL stewards are currently in-situ anticipating the arrival of demonstrators.

    ‘On site reports suggest the demo is being held in an Asda Car Park, oh the irony that we should be allowed to demonstrate in an Area that is owned by one of the biggest supermarket suppliers of Halal meat in the UK. Perhaps a little tongue in cheek of GMP me thinks!’

    +++ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES +++

  290. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @monte:

    DELETED

  291. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    @monte:

    Thanks, Monte. I wish you’d given me this advice earlier. I would have taken it.

  292. monte's Gravatar monte
    February 25, 2012 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    Lasha
    Glad to see you back, spruce and in great form. Just a little advice: stay aloof of the crowd.

  293. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    @Joe:

    Nice piece, Joe. Thanks. And pretty much sums it up.

  294. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    Iran does not pose a threat to anyone. It poses a threat only IF ATTACKED FIRST.

    Glenn Greenwald writes: “Within just the past few days, Iranian leaders have threatened that if attacked, they would launch those missiles at U.S. targets.”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/another-march-to-war-20120217#ixzz1nEj0l1J5

    If the US or Israel attack first, in breach of international law and with gratuitous violence, they deserve what they get.

    One is under no obligation to back a law-breaking aggressor.

    “My country right or wrong,” is a philosophy fit only for psychopaths.

  295. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 8:09 am | Permalink

    Americans have internalized Orwellian doublethink.

    They have embraced circular thinking, as follows: “Any country that raises strenuous objections when we threaten to bomb it, is acting belligerently. Ergo, it needs to be wiped out.”

    Americans need to wise up to the sophistries rammed down their throats daily by the Jew-controlled media.

  296. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 8:04 am | Permalink

    Update

    Israel is obviously salivating for war. It’s hard to figure out who is more bellicose, Barak or Netanyahu. “Whoever says ‘later,’ might find that it will be too late,” Barak recently said.

    Earlier in February, US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta noted the “strong possibility” of an Israeli strike on Iran in either April, May or June, before Iran enters a so-called “immunity zone”.
    This is when its nuclear facilities, according to a report in the Washington Post, will be too heavily fortified for an attack to succeed.

    Any attack on Iran, said Iranian Ambassador to Russia Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi last week, would be like committing a suicide.

    CONCLUSION: Opposing Israel is the right thing to do morally.

    Aiding and abetting a homicidal maniac to commit suicide after a killing spree cannot possibly be right.

    American Jews who beat the war drums against Iran are ringing Israel’s death knell. They are dancing on Israel’s grave.

  297. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 7:57 am | Permalink

    Update

    “There are three possible routes to Iran: north over Turkey, south over Saudi Arabia, or a central route across Jordan and Iraq.”

    The central route (Jordan/Iraq) is the most likely one, since Jordan is a US puppet and Iraq a ruined country without any air defenses.

    Saudi Arabia is out, because if the Saudis said “Yes” to Israel, Iran would be perfectly entitled to destroy their oil wells.

    Turkey is out also because…

    Turkey has denied Israel the right to use intelligence from its NATO radar system. In the wake of a recent US-Israel joint missile test and the ongoing tensions between Ankara and Tel Aviv, Turkish FM Ahmet Davutoglu said on Friday that any intelligence gathered by the NATO facilities should not be shared with a third country, especially if that country is Israel.

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=43465

    Conclusion: Iraq the most likely route. One reason the US may have decided to leave Iraq in December is that, by no longer being in official “occupation” of Iraq, the US is no longer under legal obligation to defend Iraqi skies from invading Israeli planes.

    Iraq, moreover, is now incapable of defending its own skies.

    So this gives Israel a clear route.

  298. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 7:45 am | Permalink

    The race to Armageddon:

    A story leaked by Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta to Washington Post columnist David Ignatius last week said Panetta believing there was a “strong likelihood” that Israel would attack sometime between April and the end of June.

    What really gave away Panetta’s intention to pressure Iran, however, was the fact that he used Ignatius to warn Iran that, if it retaliated against Israeli population centres, the US “could feel obligated to come to Israel’s defence”.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/201221254919523390.html

    Note: IF IRAN RETALIATES AGAINST ISRAEL IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY, THE US WILL MAKE MINCEMEAT OF IRAN.

    In other words, Israel is to be left free to attack Iran’s numerous nuclear sites and expose a population of 74 million people to the hazards of depleted uranium, but Iran is not allowed to retaliate and attack Tel Aviv.

    Iran must agree to enter the boxing ring with one arm tied behind its back, while Israel is free to use knuckle dusters on both hands.

    USrael = Superbullies Inc.

  299. Lucy Skippping's Gravatar Lucy Skippping
    February 25, 2012 - 7:28 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    DELETED

  300. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 7:19 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    I am anglo-American, as the quote clearly states.

    I am a dual citizen, with an American passport.

    I have an American mother, as I have already revealed more than once, both on this blog and my own.

    I live part of the year in America.

    Satisfied?

  301. February 25, 2012 - 7:09 am | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:
    I actually do have more to my credit than “Our Weapon, The Truth.” If I used words recklessly or made some baseless accusation or struck a really preposterous pose, I would expect to be pelted with garbage. I think we need to hold ourselves to a high standard in that regard.

    I do have green eyes, so you got me there.

  302. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 7:04 am | Permalink

    Oh here we go again.

    A feminazi bearing a vituperative screed, a troll sent to be sure the discussion never gets back on track, by engaging in vituperative language of she accuses another.

  303. February 25, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Shoo, fly.

  304. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 25, 2012 - 6:58 am | Permalink

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  305. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 6:57 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: To the extent that it shows your glass chin, yeah, I think it’s interesting to a wider public. Especially when harping on about authenticity, und so weiter.

  306. February 25, 2012 - 6:55 am | Permalink

    [A previous post failed for some reason]

    I encourage and urge that readers here check the basis of ‘nuclear’ weapons. It seems certain these were a hoax, and probably still are. Look at http://www.nukelies.com for (1) Clear evidence Hiroshima/ Nagasaki were not ‘nuked’ (2) Clear evidence films of tests including H bombs were faked (3) Circumstantial evidence nuclear power doesn’t work.

    This is important of course because of the doubt it casts on the alleged military targets, but also, obviously, on the viability of Israel. This could be the start of the unravelling of the whole of Jewish influence, both in the physical sense and because of the feeling of betrayal over scientific fraud.

    In fact, investigation into science fraud is only just beginning. There’s a hell of a lot, and a lot is the work of the usual suspects.

  307. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 6:51 am | Permalink

    Hadding Scott:
    “I have no interest in exercising authority. It’s a burden. I just wish somebody would do it.”

    Well, you must be really happy that the Tribe is exercising authority for you right now – no burden to weary your shoulders! Oh, they forgot to ask your explicit permission? Not very libertarian of them.

  308. February 25, 2012 - 6:49 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    If that was my view, I would be openly inviting a visit from Homeland Security and the FBI.

    … an anglo-American academic with higher degrees in Classics who lives and works in England.

    DHS has an office in the UK?

  309. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 25, 2012 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    Well…what can be said at this juncture?

    Iranian women appear to be quite beautiful, all things considered. They seem to have more rights than Americans are led to believe: Take a look at the link:

    The Ninja Women in Iran

    In some pictures you see the young girls easily take to learning the martial arts as well. What’s impressive about the women and girls is the intensity and seriousness — no fooling around with mindless, silly female chatter, or silly frivolities here. I notice how flowing and efficient their movements are — no waste of energy. I guess I can see the water element in their movements because the Moon itself is a water element. And the Crescent Moon is a goddess symbol to begin with.

    Iranian women have this Moon allure thing going on. Not in the sense of the Muslim crescent moon, but it’s that too. One of those ME countries, I was reading, had or has a green flag that has an association with Water. Might have been Lybia, not sure though.

  310. February 25, 2012 - 6:33 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: You are dwelling on an orthographic dispute from early December, and we are now in late February. Do you think anybody cares?

  311. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 6:18 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: I guess you make up German under poetic license, too. I’ll take that in account when reading your translations.

  312. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 25, 2012 - 6:04 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    These are wise words and I take them to heart. You are right: I need disciplining.

    You must understand, however, that there is a difference between the tone of my article and the tone of my comments. It is my comments, I suspect, much more than my article, that have given you cause for concern.

    These are written extempore—in the heat of battle, so to speak—and one often says things here in a clumsy way. These hastily written sentences could do with rephrasing.

    Obviously I do not advocate the destruction of America or welcome with glee the extermination of American soldiers in the Persian Gulf. If that was my view, I would be openly inviting a visit from Homeland Security and the FBI.

    What you have said in criticism of me is fair and just, Alice. Please continue to speak your mind. I will not be angry with you if you are sincere in what you say—I’m not that type of person. I value constructive criticism.

  313. Joe's Gravatar Joe
    February 25, 2012 - 5:16 am | Permalink

    Behold Amerika—the quintessential caricature of hypocrisy—as she stumbles upon the floor of the General Assembly at the United Circus. She did not see herself, but others saw her, and reflected: a mumbling, drunken, overly made-up, bankrupt, demoralized, loud she-swine; heavily armed [be careful!]. Slouching to the beat of an updated version of the Star-Spangled Banner [sing along!—O’er the land of the crook and the home of the slave!], swift, hi-heeled Amerika makes her way to the speaker’s stand. Shocking! She wears a scandalous G-string made out of her national flag, and one cannot help, but to overhear the frequent self-congratulatory remarks she makes regarding her own perceived beauty: “O me so beautiful, and you all so ugly!” she stutters. Afraid, no one dares say a word [just like no one wants to start a fight with the cook, you know]. A tiresome diatribe for others to follow [she is exempt] on human rights, the rule of law, social justice, the protection of civilians, et al, egualite, liberte, fraternite, [et merdre], ad nauseam, follows. She praises Socrates, but surely, she is Trasymachus’ disciple. She is held in a very tight leash by her pimp (the most vicious of the hyenas) [also exempt], a certain crappy little nation in the Middle East, which barks orders at her with rapid and astonishing succession: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Iran…! The pimp’s commands are more like ultimatums, and there are credible rumors [the pimp publicly slaps her on occasion] that Amerika is frequently beaten on account of not following orders concisely.

  314. February 25, 2012 - 4:46 am | Permalink

    @katana:

    I wonder who he thinks his audience is?

    Christian Zionists, and also angry White people in general that haven’t figured out the Jewish Problem yet.

  315. katana's Gravatar katana
    February 25, 2012 - 4:26 am | Permalink

    RAMZPAUL has his usual insightful take on things as he parodies the (? jew) Michael Savage.

    http://www.ramzpaul.com/2012/02/we-must-attack-waydia.html

    This Savage Michael guy truly rants and raves like someone committed. I wonder who he thinks his audience is?

  316. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 25, 2012 - 4:15 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    I didn’t mean to accuse you of being anti-American, I hope I didn’t. And I do understand the sentiment of being tired of the elites that run American institutions.

    But from what I can see, Iran isn’t on the side of white people either. I don’t wish them any harm, but I will not take their side against white American soldiers. And really my main point is that I do not want Russia and China to become involved in the conflict. Now obviously I have no control over that. But if Russia gets involved, the potential for deaths grows exponentially and in worst-case scenarios, the number of deaths could be enormous and most would be white. And of course, adding China to the mix only makes it worse.

    Beyond that, WN is already marginalized, why would we want to take on his aura of supporting enemies of the US when trying to attract new white people to this cause?

    I’m repeating myself here, but I haven’t heard any good arguments, either in terms of substance or messaging, that supports hoping China and Russia become involved in a military campaign against the US.

  317. February 25, 2012 - 1:20 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: I have no interest in exercising authority. It’s a burden. I just wish somebody would do it.

  318. February 25, 2012 - 1:18 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant: People who actually know French don’t need to use French terms in rigid conformity with the ignorant multitude. To complain about such failure to conform is sophomoric, and certainly by now also tedious, Trenchant.

  319. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 1:15 am | Permalink

    And as regards authority, someone who unilaterally arrogates to himself the authority to rule over me gets my submission only through fear of punishment. I owe him no allegiance whatsoever.

  320. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 25, 2012 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: “laissé “, “laisser“. Ph.D. or not, it’s the sloppiness or otherwise that counts. Laissez faire! (Imperative declination).

  321. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 25, 2012 - 12:31 am | Permalink

    @Henry A. Eckstein: Herr Eckstein: I calculate the weight of a 3 foot long rod of 1/2 inch diameter to be about 2 pounds. If the mere aerodynamic friction melts the casings, what must the massive amount of electricity needed to throw 360,000 pounds in 60 seconds to MACH 25! do to the induction coils, the wires, etc? How much electricity is needed to do that amount of work? (Enough to power the Maginot line?)
    If you could do it I imagine it would obliterate anything in its path, assuming you could control the dumb trajectory (i.e not guided) of the rods for any length downrange.
    Please answer those questions about the electricity and heat.

  322. February 25, 2012 - 12:27 am | Permalink

    @Lucy Skipping:

    DELETED

  323. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    February 25, 2012 - 12:13 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: In a sense, you are correct in saying I’m anti-American when you refer to today’s America, which I consider to be viciously anti-white. Yesterday’s America, the polite, clean, productive and 90% white America, with no affirmative action – it I would have fought and died for against all enemies. It is gone, we have to let go and face the reality. Our America has been stolen from us. Our heritage is spat upon and insulted, our accomplishments diminished and ridiculed and expropriated. To the new America, we are but old carpetbaggers who stole everything we have. The new America is waiting for enough whites to die off so they can humiliate and destroy the rest. When enough whites accept this new reality, then we can take a new road and reclaim what is ours.

  324. February 24, 2012 - 11:46 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

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  325. RichardPerry's Gravatar RichardPerry
    February 24, 2012 - 11:39 pm | Permalink

    You have summed up what I have thought for at least five tears. I have always believed that Russia will support Iran to it’s fullest. I also believe that USA and Israel may get a surprise as USA troupes and their allies may sympathies with Iran.

  326. February 24, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: But you’re against all exercise of authority as a matter of libertarian principle, which means in effect that you are against solving problems.

  327. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 24, 2012 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Drinkingwithbob brings it on home again in regarding to the Koran-burning incident in Afghanistan that left 14 dead plus 2 American soldiers

    As he says, ‘We’ve got a serious freakin’ problem here people!”

    What’s next! What’s next! What’s next!

    Bring OUR TROOPS Home…

  328. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 24, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Illegitimi non carborundum! You have conducted yourself in this thread with civility and reasoned argument. Do not let yourself be dragged into the drama.

    The comment you so rightly protest says far more about your accuser than it does about you. I can only assume that the moderator is indifferent to what is posted here. Perhaps that says more than anything else.

  329. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    February 24, 2012 - 9:37 pm | Permalink

    @Dan: Dr. MacDonald, in explaining his method towards those that viciously attack him, shows himself to be the consumate professional philosopher/pyschologist, who sees the “big picture”.

  330. Diana's Gravatar Diana
    February 24, 2012 - 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Who’s threatening whom?
    This page pretty much tells all.
    also the fact that the US has Iran surrounded by so many bases means that this has been in the works for a long time.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/US-bases-Iran11.jpg

  331. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 24, 2012 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Gentlemen please, I AM an old woman and I don’t spend so much time being frightened of trolls and Jews hiding under the bed! This is really unbecoming.

  332. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 24, 2012 - 9:33 pm | Permalink

    @ Trenchant : It won’t be the bodies of Zionist toadies floating in the Gulf. I have no doubt Darkmoon wants this to happen, which puts her in the bizarre postition of supposedly being a white nationalist that sides with Asiatics fighting Europeans. Perhaps she thrills to Zulus killing English soldiers, as they were instruments of Rothchilde-Imperial aggression against poor natives?

  333. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius:I’m an anarchist, so I make a clear distinction between the American people and the American government with its vast clientele. For the former, all solidarity, for the latter, I could care less.

  334. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    February 24, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I agree. What Lasha Darkmoon has been saying and insinuating is incredibly unprofessional and unbecoming any sort of leader in this cause.

    Kevin MacDonald had this to say in a recent interview with Counter Currents: “You talked about message boards. I get attacked horribly on the Occidental Observer, and my first inclination is to respond really negatively, but I don’t. I respond, but in a really laid back kind of way, without a lot of accusations, and I think it changes the tone of everything. People then don’t do that again; they tend not to do those vicious kind of attacks after that.” (Source)

    This is the way Lasha Darkmoon should respond to criticisms here. If she think she is being misinterpreted, say so, and without creating pointless drama by making accusations that no one can prove as correct or false.

  335. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 24, 2012 - 8:40 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    I cannot speak for the ‘long list of luminaries’ that praise your work. I can only speak for myself. While I may in the minority here who percieved your tone to be bloodthirsty, I am not alone. I suspect, but cannot prove, the it would alienate large numbers of ordinary Americans who may be closer to sharing your view of the immorality or at least, the foolishness of war with Iran on behalf of Israel.

    There are currently only two forces on earth that can demand that the USA behave. Chinese bankers and a sufficient number of Americans. While I have no doubt that you have many admirers among the converted, how many outside the fringe do you bring into the cause on our side?

    Since you asked, my preference is that you discipline your passion, learn to separate your ego from the larger question and use your considerable talent and energy more fruitfully.

  336. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 8:21 pm | Permalink

    @Clytemnestra: Great comment, which I managed to overlook.

  337. Kepstral's Gravatar Kepstral
    February 24, 2012 - 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Dammit, I wanted a family before these bastards drag the whole world to hell for some GARBAGE in the middle east. Why do innocent Whites have to get dragged into this insane Jewish and Arabic squabble?

    RE Lasha Darkmoon: I think she’s a philoSemite. Just for Palestinians instead of Jews.

  338. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 24, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    @ Trenchant I agree. In my opinion the U.S. caused the war when we sent Admiral Perry with his gun boats to open Japan to western technology. Yet I would never construct my opposition in moralistic terms, nor would I cheer the Japs killing American farm boys because I know Roosevelt caused the war.Do you think the Japs or the Iranians would ever side against their own kind because of such “moral” considerations? If Miss Darkmoon had stopped at why a war with Iran is bad for white interests, that would be fine. However I detect she wants it to happen, dead U.S. sailors floating in the Gulf just to spite the Zionist Power Configuration. If she were stupid enough to say so in public after such an event, I would advise shunning her like the plague.

  339. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 24, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    The white cause. No need to put it in quotation marks.

  340. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason – it’s ok about me being accused. To be honest I have been subtley pushing for that just within this thread. It’s important to see how easily this can happen and how psychologically influential it is for other people.

    Someone has accused me of being a troll. What I ask other people here who previously did not have that impression of me, to examine their own psychological shift. It’s hard, isn’t it, to hear someone accused and not worry that it might be true. Even if we hadn’t thought of this before. Even if we have good reason to think otherwise (i.e. go look at my posts…that’s an awful long lead-in to be burned up for this one night of trolling in just this one thread).

    And yet it is still very hard to resist the changed perception of the person who is accused.

    Do people honestly think this isn’t something an enemy would do? Do people not understand that the most potent enemy troll is to sow an environment of suspicion? If this can be done, the enemy need not do anything more…that is enough to derail an environment.

    And this is why I mention that it does not, and will not, work to ‘think we can know’ the souls of other people. And even if it could work, it wouldn’t work as soon as the enemy saw us as a top priority and sent in their really smart trolls, who would work ferociously in large teams, smashing 10 or 20 sites at the same time. Many of the rows being puked out of databases in automated sequences.

  341. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Jens:

    Jens – it’s possible…I’m not saying you’re wrong. But what I see as really counter-productive is an environment of suspicion and paranoia where new ideas are a risky thing to bring to the table if you don’t want to be denounced as an enemy troll.
    Maybe you are the one who is naive? What was wrong with my song? I think it sums it up perfect. You think you can tell. Someone’s inner motivations. But you can’t. I mean, maybe you can for one person, but then what about the next person who is smarter than you or maybe is trained, maybe has had the support of actual government organs of a big-world enemy nation?
    The solution can’t be that you can the difference.

  342. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 24, 2012 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden: @Franklin Ryckaert:

    OK, I am not a Jew . Does that sound better? This is ridiculous. How am I supposed to know the subtitles of Jewish – or should I say Jew nomenclature? You guys seem to know it quite well, to the point of obsession. This is what passes for intelligent comment on TOO?

    If I quote someone’s work and ask them to clarify it, that is considered “troll” behavior. But people who spend time calling other people “Jews”, are taken seriously?

    And now for the third time I am asking whether TOO has a comments policy or not? It says personal insults are not allowed, and yet one of its authors has insinuated that I might be some ex-boyfriend that physically abused her. This despite the fact that she also accuses me of being a retired Jewish professor. While I am anonymous, it is quite beyond the pale for posters to be accused of specific crimes.

    TOO should remove that offending post. I am asking for the third time.

    Are we now allowed to free associate about how some poster might be a criminal? We can make specific allegations that a person physically abused us? And this behavior is allowed by the official authors at TOO?

    By the way, did you notice she said Jewish professor and not Jew professor – OMG what on earth does that mean? In fact I believe MacDonald uses the phrase “Jewish” all the time.

    How deep does the conspiracy run!

    Now that I see Mickey is being accused of being a troll, I believe this persistent little group within WN cannot be reformed, nor do they have any serious interest in “the white cause”.

  343. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 24, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: You are very naive. And you sure know to underline it with that song.

    I also disagree with your sentiment that we are “a rag tag bunch completely isolated and marginalized”. You want to talk about structural solutions, but the structure is already here in the form of this site among others. The only thing holding us down are attitudes like “we’re only gold fish in a bowl”. It’s completely counterproductive, even if it was true.

  344. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 24, 2012 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    DELETED

  345. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @GREZCM:

    GREZCM – Perhaps. Or perhaps paranoia and suspicion is stupid and futile. Let’s say I am a Jewish troll. Does this change the judgement you make about my historical posts? No. The Judgements are all the same. I added value by the same amount you judged before.
    Therefore it is better just to look at the value someone is bringing and not worry about their true motive. What this requires is some personal work on developing and honing a personal instinct ‘what is good for the whites’.
    On the criteria I am proposing, some people will say that Jason Speaks is being counter-productive or getting counter productive results. Jason Speaks has acknowled this and said he intends to reflect.
    So give him that space to reflect and see how things go from here.

  346. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
    blue skies from pain.
    Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
    A smile from a veil?
    Do you think you can tell?
    And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
    Hot ashes for trees?
    Hot air for a cool breeze?
    Cold comfort for change?
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?
    How I wish, how I wish you were here.
    We’re just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
    Running over the same old ground.
    What have you found? The same old fears.
    Wish you were here.

  347. Lucy Skipping's Gravatar Lucy Skipping
    February 24, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    DELETED

  348. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:22 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Sorry not that one….it’s the wrong video…right song though

  349. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:20 pm | Permalink

    @Jens:

    Jens – I doubt there is a concerted organized effort agains this site at the moment…certainly not by the really sophisticated players.
    We’re not seen as a threat…we’re seen for what we are…a rag tag bunch completely isolated and marginalized.
    There are much more significant and potent threats. The BDS movement, the stuff going on on college campuses (this week is aparteid week, I think).
    What we’ll be getting here are ordinary folk who are personally hostile who try this or that, but eventually wander off having decided we’re not worth it. Like that Jewish guy that was here over Christmas…i forget his name.

    This is what I keep saying. This is the time when we should be envisioning what it will be like if we get traction and using our creativity to come up with structural solutions.

    We’re nothing to them at the moment. We’re gold fish in a bowl. They’ve got bigger fish to fry.

    Jens, Lasha, Jason, Hadding, everyone…watch this video..the graphics, the lyrics. This should be our anthem at hte moment.

  350. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    February 24, 2012 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Notice how the piss-stream media omit any mention of Iran’s own Samson Option which entails taking out the oil installations dotting the coastline on the opposite end of the Persian Gulf. Such a move will make the so far forecasted ‘worst case scenario’ of $200 oil/$8 gasoline look like a Harvey Fierstein fanclub re-union.

  351. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 24, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: I think it boils down to experience. Look at it this way: What is the probability of the currently most talked about white liberation site NOT attracting Jewish instigators, and when you’ve answered that: whom could it be if not Jason Speaks?

  352. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 24, 2012 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    re: Franklin Ryckaert wrote on February 24, 2012 – 3:38 pm

    It’s obvious that both Jason Speaks and Mickey Meadows are trolls, whose tactics is to overflow the discuss section with their deliberations, engage participants in futile exchanges, etc..

    Jason Speaks asked me a question and got the answer, after which “he” wouldn’t react. My take is, that the collective “he” needed more information in order to correctly book a new participant in “his” ledger.

  353. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 5:54 pm | Permalink

    @Chonodomarius: Sure, America First was amongst the first victims of the war, but let’s not forget that great “patriot”, FDR, did everything in his power to instigate the attack, nor that he likely had foreknowledge thereof. There are some good papers around on the massive prophylactic measures taken by the Red Cross in Hawaii before the attack.

    I’m as wary of those parading as “patriots” as I am of the mullahs, whilst not wishing any ill befall the USA.

  354. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    “…when aunt Sarah wasn’t permitted to venture outside without the mandatory Star of David armband.”

    Ah! You see! Jarvis Dingle-Davidian slips up at last and reveals the true identity of his aunt Sarah!

    (just kidding)

  355. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:
    Interesting that you, who screws up even a commonly-known term like “laissez faire” (“laissé faire”) in writing an article where you pretend some knowledge, refuse to even acknowledge same error when it’s pointed out to you, should be worrying about others’ academic qualifications. Pot, meet kettle!

  356. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – I told Lasha at the time her comments made her seem like a loon – in those words. But then smoothed it over saying something positive. This is the issue….you are saying things but not giving any attempt to add context. Isn’t there anything good about someone like Lasha who of her own volition (a) despite the odds wakes up and sees the world as it is (b) creates an online identity that she adds lustre and colour to (c) writes multiple articles getting published by very many discerning online sites and editors (d) defends her position in comments and acknowledges mistakes.

    She deserves respect and friendly feedback.

  357. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 24, 2012 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Also, you should ditch the moral rhetoric. Iran was the ally of Israel back in the 80’s, remember Israel delivered the Hawk missiles during the Iran-Contra business? I don’t want a war with Iran either, yet I don’t make policy decisions to go to war. To wish defeat on my own country would make me a traitor,though. America First had the sence to close shop after Pearl Harbor. Nothing would alienate the white hicks from the hinterland quicker than cheering for the defeat of the U.S. military.

  358. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Hadding Scott:
    “Of course you have to give people the benefit of the doubt for a while.
    But not indefinitely.”

    I can’t guess who’d love to be the arbiter. Isn’t ruling over your own blog enough, or do you need lebensraum? ☺

  359. Chonodomarius's Gravatar Chonodomarius
    February 24, 2012 - 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hyperbole fueled by wishful thinking. I hate the Israelis because they do things like kill my fellow sailors, which you mentioned, and try to sell weapons systems like Phalcon AWACS, which you didn’t mention, to Red China. You see, these weapons will be used against me next time a US President sends a battle group to Taiwan. Why would China go to war with its’ best supplier of US weapons technology?

  360. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    I use the term Jewish…there is nothing wrong with refering to peoples as they prefer. This is getting like something out of the Blackadder german spy in the hospital episode….quite funny…it’s only 1/2 hour….enjoy it’ll cheer you up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_X0qkhuUIU

  361. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    February 24, 2012 - 4:51 pm | Permalink

    @ Franklin Ryckaert

    In the course of one of my virtual travels, a certain Judaic interlocutor volunteered an explanation that adding the suffix ish tends to lend an air of respectability. In that self-identifying as a ‘Jew’ reminds them of the Warsaw ghetto days when aunt Sarah wasn’t permitted to venture outside without the mandatory Star of David armband.

  362. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 24, 2012 - 3:38 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    …for the record, nothing I have been accused of is true. I am not a “stalker”, I am not Jewish, I am not retired, I am not working for the Israelis, I am not a “concern troll”.

    Ah, ipse dixit, the final proof!
    Two remarks : “I am not Jewish”, the use of the term Jewish instead ofJew is typical for Jews themselves as they see it as more respectful than “Jew” which they feel has negative connotations. A real Gentile wouldn’t bother, he would simply say :”I am not a Jew”.
    “I am not retired”, but you seem to have 24 hours a day to send your comments, so if you are not retired who is paying you? The ADL, the JIDL (Jewish Internet Defense League) or what?

    If you think your credibility problem is merely a matter of style perhaps I can help you. Enroll in An Advanced Course in Jewish Trollcraft (see especially chapter 13 : “How not to appear Jewish”) at the International Jewish Institute for the Subversion of Goyim, Shylock Boulevard 666, Tel Aviv. Good luck err… mazzel tov.

  363. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice,

    I accept much of what you say. I confess I am not perfect, nor can I hope to please everyone. But for every person I displease and alienate by my style of writing, there are at least ten people I please and from whom I have received the warmest praise.

    If my article is, as you say, “dripping with bloodlust”, then I am at a loss to understand why Kevin MacDonald should publish it in the first place and write to me “Great stuff”

    … why Jeff Rense should give a link to it on rense.com and say to me “Excellent!”

    … why Rixon Stewart of Truthseeker and Mark Glenn of theuglytruth should republish it on their respective sites and offer me much prase also

    … why Israel Shamir should circulate the article to his List (Shamir Readers) for discussion

    … and, finally, why Mike Harris, staff writer for http://www.veteranstoday.com and radio host at http://www.rebublicbroadcasting.org, should invite me to be interviewed on his program.

    “I just finished your article on the consequences of attacking Iran,” Mike writes to me. “I would like to invite you to be a guest on my radio show to discuss your article, and inform the American people of the risks and dangers of such an attack.”

    I respect you a great deal, Alice, for you are obviously a highly intelligent person, but I do think the negative comments of an obscure and unknown poster like “Jason Speaks” are most unlikely to carry any intellectual weight when compared to the positive comments of Kevin MacDonald, Jeff Rense, Rixon Stewart, Mark Glenn, Israel Shamir, and Veterans Today staff writer and radio host Mike Harris.

    I am not trying to blow my own trumpet, Alice, but I ask you in all sincerity: why, pray tell, why would such a long list of luminaries have praised and promoted my article if, as you claim, it is “dripping with bloodlust”.

    Are all these good people bloodthirsty individuals? Are they lusting for American blood to be spilled? Are they wrong to like my article?

    Would you prefer it if my article had not been published?

    Are you saying that all these people who have praised and promoted my article, including Kevin MacDonald, are suffering from poor judgement?

    I sincerely hope you will offer me a measured response.

  364. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 24, 2012 - 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Well this is getting pretty creepy, in re “The Jewish Utopia” as per the link by Lindsey. Just started reading the first few pages. Surprisingly it makes sense, what with the ‘prophets’ and all. Egads, what can one say? Makes sense. I dunno….pretty creepy. I have a feeling once I finish it, my mind’s going to be totally blown fer sure.

  365. February 24, 2012 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Well, you see there? I think that basically answered your rhetorical question about courtesy. This “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon” is clearly pretty reckless, and even making up some sh-t. I don’t think it’s out of bounds to point that out.

  366. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    p.s. Jason – I don’t think concepts like slander are likely to apply unless there is a reasonable expectation your real identity can be discovered.
    I agree the posts should be removed if you feel strongly about them, although I would say they were so obviously nonsense that you really don’t have anything to worry about on that score.

  367. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Jason – good comments.
    I think it is very important to reflect on the results that we get. Results are often unintended, but they are real.
    Results aren’t always our fault, but that is actually irrelevant. We only have the POWER to change our own approaches in order to get better results.
    What I request of you and of everyone is to put the cause first. Even before feelings of hurt or pride or being right or any of the other day to day preoccupations of the ordinary person.
    The cause matters more. Jason – if you believe you have knowledge or intutions or instinct that the WN movements needs to hear, the bottom line is you have a duty to stay with it, and to learn from the results you are getting and to improve to the best of your ability. Forget everyone else, it’s your reality, you will shape it or you will not shape it.
    This cause matters more than any of us individually or who is right and who is wrong about some passing social triviality. We’re all going to unjust insults rained down on us when the time comes anyway, so best be getting used to and growing that hide.

  368. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 24, 2012 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    I’ll make this a quick post and then maybe one later on this thread. I want to say, for the record, nothing I’ve been accused of is true. I am not a “stalker”, I am not Jewish, I am not retired, I am not working for the Israelis, I am not a “concern troll”. I’ve been accused of some pretty horrible things (and even an insinuation that I might be some old boyfriend that physically assaulted Darkmoom in the past, she “can’t be sure” – absolutely not true and a malicious statement intended to personally harm me). That is obviously false. I have no idea if Darkmoon is a man or woman or what.

    Darkmoon’s insinuation that she couldn’t be sure I wasn’t one of her ex-boyfriends that beat her up is ludicrous in the extreme. I have asked TOO to remove it 7 hours ago, but it is still there. This is a vicious personal attack against me and it will be removed. It grossly violates their comments standards. My request to have her hateful insinuation about my personal life stands, this is the second time I’ve asked. It is utterly contemptible.

    We cannot allow comments along the line of “I can’t be sure Poster X is the psychiatric patient I treat who kills puppies – I just can’t be sure”. That really is slander. TOO will take it down.

    Anyway, more later. Maybe.

    I will say this: Obviously, my approach – and it was honest and heartfelt – has infuriated a goodly number of posters. I’ll have to reflect on this. The tone of criticism – or merely asking for clarification – can sound harsh to the person receiving. My tone tends to be rather dry because it’s everything I can do to just put the words together coherently; I have no superfluous talent left over for either inspirational rhetoric or the very important emotional side of writing – something that would introduce style and grace.

    It;s a problem, if I come off like a one dimensional gadfly. Nobody like gadflies. I should perhaps make clear that I do respect many people who have been in the movement in the past and currently.

    Someone once said my energies come alive in the negative, and this may be true. It’s a plan, it;s just a natural tendency. I reflect on that too. I continue to hold the same ideas I’ve over year, and I don’t think I’d be any good if pretended otherwise. But, I will see if there is anything in my approach that should change.

  369. February 24, 2012 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    @Rerevisionist: There seems to be a bug in your hyperlink system.
    http://www.nukelies.com should work!

  370. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 11:38 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Well Hadding….imagine the basic politeness/courtesy you might afford a fast asleep white person who never tried to do a thing for his/her people. Is Lasha getting that basic level of courtesy and respect from you, or is she getting less?
    If less or even similar, then why? Do you think she’s an imposter just like you say of Jason Speaks? Or is it more a case of she an explosion of energy…not all of it going to a useful/positive purpose, some of it negative/counter-productive.
    Instead of going forward with whatever you judge to be restrained, why not have an objective along the lines of “I want to help nudge this person who has shown willing to put her time into helping, toward what I think is a better focus”.

    I don’t think you are doing this

  371. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Luke – some of us are talking about the wider problem of how to deal with trolling tactics. This is a good and meaningful issue….personally I think it’s hugely important adn will only become more so. Real life trolling is calling things like infiltration and subversion and treachery and all the rest.

  372. February 24, 2012 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Tell me where I went too far. I think I’ve been very restrained.

  373. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – come on, you’re being way too hostile about Lasha Darkmoon. I see what you’re saying about her projected profile…but so what if she’s someone else entirely? So what if she’s a guy…who is maybe transexual or believes he is or whatever. I’m not suggesting she is, but maybe that’s partially where you are going with the he/she/it thing.
    But so what? Every white person has a stake in a situation involving the genocide of the whites.straights, Gays, crossdressers, fantasists, criminals, gangsters, politicians: When it comes to a genocide everyone should be coming, and hopefull everyone will be coming.
    The issue as I see it is this:
    – Lasha puts the energy and effort into campaigning and writing
    – She will benefit from positive feedback about where should improve as can all of us
    – She will not benefit from really harsh slap downs as most of us will not.
    – If she is exhibiting some of the things you’ve mentioned like being a little bit of a drama-queen or attention-seeker or whatever, then short sharp cricism is good enough.
    But what is a really bad idea is to totally trash her. She’s appreciated by a lot of people including me. She doesn’t get it perfectly right, and some parts are counter-productive. But she’s trying…and she’s putting time and energy and creativity into trying. And her heart is in the right place. So don’t trash her like this please, or consider this appeal anyway.

  374. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 24, 2012 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    Incidentally, per Brother Ryckaert’s excellent analysis of this fellow “Jason”, judging by the number of posters who are wasting their time yapping about Jason instead of discussing far more important subjects – it would seem to me that Jason has taken control over this website.

    I say, ignore everything that Jason has to say. Pretend he doesn’t exist. Cease allowing Jason to become the center of everyone’s attention.

  375. February 24, 2012 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    in short he is a Jewish concern troll.

    The militia movement in the 1990s was loaded with them.

  376. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 24, 2012 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: Brother Ryckaert, you have done more to bolster my previously evaporating level of admiration and respect for the IQ and critical, razor-sharp thinking ability of the modern White Man than I can find words to commend you for your contribution.

    A word to the entire TOO reading community: This is how every last one of us needs to train ourselves to think and analyze.

    Bravo, Brother Ryckaert. I give you a standing ovation.

  377. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    February 24, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    @J.J. WHALEN: I agree. And, my question is why Peter Brimelow publishes this kind of anti-White snobbish garbage on his website?

    You know how I identify this all-too-familiar odor? Its the classic jewish tactic of sowing seeds of ethnic resentment and division within ethnic groups of the same race who they are trying to destroy, because stirring up fights within their competitors tribe winds up splitting their competitors apart.

    They’ve done the very same thing by stirring up hostilities within the general Arab populations – and most Arabs are too dumb to grasp what is going on and fall right into this trap.
    So, instead of organizing themselves as a group and then presenting a united front against the jews – they waste all their time bickering among themselves.

    Is Peter Brimelow simpply not up to speed on the tactics of our jewish enemies and is that why he and vdare are being used to sow seeds of in-group ethnic resentment within the general White European community?

    I consulted wikipedia on Matthew Richer, assuming that he might be one of the jewish moles that Brimelow has allowed into his stable of writers – but, I didn’t see any evidence of him being jewish or partially jewish. That makes me wonder about his wife or extended family being possibly tainted.

    Judas Goats come in a variety of stripes, as we all know.

  378. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    February 24, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    Has anyone noticed that so far Mr. Jason Speaks himself has not responded? Usually he immediately and repeatedly responds. Maybe he is in consultation with Abe Foxman now that his mask has fallen!

    There are 4 reasons that made me think Jason is a Jew :

    1) He promotes the official 9/11 story (Jewish interest : to hide the major role of Israel and American Jews).
    2) He vehemently (120 times!) resisted the promotion of Rachel Corry as an icon of the struggle against zionism (Jewish interest : to prevent the canonization of Rachel Corry as a kind of Anne Frank of the anti-zionist struggle.
    3) He resists any appreciation of what the Third Reich stood for, ecpecially concerning the JQ (Jewish interest : obvious).
    4) His whole style comes across as typically Jewish : a) Immediate reaction to objections and continuous nitpicking, b) Talmudic reasoning more based on a virtuoso juggling with words than based on facts, c) a highly intelligent and urbane mind that gives the impression of a typical rootless cosmopolitan.

    His aim seems to be to become a kind of controller of this website and steer the debate into a direction not too threatening to Jews. In order to be able to do that he has to pretend to be a WN himself “concerned” about negative developments, in short he is a Jewish concern troll.

    We have defeated thus far some more Jewish trolls : Caleb and Someday, while Mr. “I-am-also-White” Goldstein has disappeared too. We will see what Jason’s next move will be.

  379. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 24, 2012 - 10:59 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Thanks for the info. Sometimes I wonder if the mods aren’t playing head games, as now my post is up lol Anyway, I guess, the post wasn’t earth-shattering (though could be, if all things pan out as many hope !)

    To All: Looking over a bit about Iran from wiki, I’m totally impressed:

    ‘The name “Iran”, which in Persian means “Land of the Aryans”, ‘

    ‘Iran is home to one of the world’s oldest civilizations.’

    ‘The blossoming of Persian literature, philosophy, medicine, astronomy, mathematics and art became major elements of Muslim civilization.’

    One thing I’m always confused about: Is there a difference between ‘Islam’ and ‘Muslim’? Was Mohammed a part of Islam, going way back in time, because somehow I get the impression that ‘Persian literature, philosophy, medicine, astronomy, mathematics and art ‘ either were part of Islam, but before Mohammed, or Persian literature, etc., was part of the time of Zoraster, prior to both Islam and Muslims.

    I’ve always liked the ideas behind the Zorastrian religion. Also the Bahá’í faith and Mandaeism look interesting.

    It really would be a shame to bomb Iran, all things considered. When they bombed Iraq, it was so sorrowful to see Iraq’s beautiful museum of antiquities wiped out (not to mention the poor animals in the zoo that they had there).

    However, if Iran does bear-baiting and dog fights, I can and will say they are despicable.

  380. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 24, 2012 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    Could it be after all is said and done that Dr. Darkmoon is more aware of the “realities” than her detractors?

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/zionist-media-domination-the-jewish-suicide-bomber-that-you-never-heard-of/#more-35966

  381. February 24, 2012 - 10:41 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    DELETED

  382. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    blue rose – I quite often see my posts moderated. It’s possibly just an automated program. Or maybe a moderator is interested in something you said and wants to capture it without having to wade through all the comments. There are loads of possible reasons…most of them neutral, some negative some positive. I shouldn’t worry about it if were you.

  383. February 24, 2012 - 10:26 am | Permalink

    @Will Williams: I would say that for most people, who have to hold a job that is less than 100% secure, using a pseudonym to keep politics separate from their job is simple prudence.

    But, in my experience it’s not necessary to be completely paranoid the way some people are. Most people grossly overestimate the potential and probability of negative consequences for expressing racial views.

  384. February 24, 2012 - 10:05 am | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    DELETED

  385. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 24, 2012 - 10:02 am | Permalink

    So again my comment is on moderation ?

  386. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 9:51 am | Permalink

    @Will Williams:

    Will – depersonalizing from individual criticism you provide, you make great points. About the moral courage thing though:
    – Some people just can’t go public at the current time. Maybe they’ll lose their jobs and have families to feed. Or maybe they
    married a Jewish person who they love but since then have woken up to the situation. There are lots of reasons why somoene cannot go public.
    – A key reason is actually that many strands of our fightback will need to come from people who cannot be connected to the WN movement. There are strategically obvious reasons why this might be so (i.e. any movement that relies on growing to a certain size before raising suspicion of the enemy).
    – One exception where I actually do think it is purely a matter of moral courage is for the retired and the financially independent. People in this position still face a very frightening step into the unknown, that will most likely harm their family relations and social standing. But goddamnit this is the survival of their very people…including their own descendents…that is on the line.

  387. February 24, 2012 - 9:47 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Hadding – one of the problems of attempting to judge the inner motivation of individual people, actually relates to the issue of newcomers as well. We are all carrying around memes that are probably ‘bad for the whites’ that we’ve picked up along the way, and haven’t yet got around to identifying and clearing off.
    It’s really not a good idea to be judging people who happen to express some stance that you happen to have already identified as ‘bad’ and got rid of.

    Of course you have to give people the benefit of the doubt for a while.
    But not indefinitely.

  388. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 24, 2012 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    Ms. Darkmoon,

    I never read any of your work before, and agree with your basic position that war with Iran is neither moral nor in America’s best interest. However, the emotional impact of your piece struck me as dripping with blood lust – for American lives. If this was not your intention, then I suggest you re-evaluate your writing style.

    If you find that your credibility is questioned, may I suggest that it is not because of your gender, but because, evidently, even a doctorate in Classical studies has not enabled you to distinguish between your feelings and objective facts. I am truly saddened to read that you have been abused and disrespected by the men in your life, but it is unclear to me why your lack of discernment in personal choices enhances your judgement regarding international affairs or even of the motives of posters here.

  389. February 24, 2012 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    You wrote: “I am writing incognito under a pen name…Neither my employers nor my family know I write anti-Zionist articles for the internet that are highly critical of organized Jewry and its machinations. If they did, I’d be in big trouble! I’d be dismissed from my job at once and disowned by my closest relatives — all of them, unfortunately, fanatical Zionists.”

    I have suggested to Hadding that he write a followup piece to his ‘Our Weapon: the Truth’ on the importance of moral courage, of owning one’s words, of saying publicly without fear what one will state privately, because it is right to do so, and necessary. I don’t see much moral courage on display here. What I see is moral cowardice in abundance. We have the talented but anonymous Lasha Darkmoon being “stalked” by her talented, but anonymous critic Jason Speaks. Jason Speaks promotes the thoroughly documented fraud Harold Covington while attacking Dr. William Pierce who was arguably the most morally courageous man the pro-White movement has seen in the last half of the 20th century. The anonymous Mr. Speaks writes of Dr. Pierce’s “activist losers” with such authority. I just received my latest issue of TOO and was proud to see former National Alliance “loser” Nelson Rosit being featured. Is TOO Webmaster George McDaniel a “loser” because he, too, was an Alliance member? I can name dozens of current “loser activists” who supported the work of Dr. Pierce — real men and women who use their given names and don’t hide from their opinions for fear that some goddamned Zionist associate or family member would be upset with them for espousing the truth.

  390. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Hadding – one of the problems of attempting to judge the inner motivation of individual people, actually relates to the issue of newcomers as well. We are all carrying around memes that are probably ‘bad for the whites’ that we’ve picked up along the way, and haven’t yet got around to identifying and clearing off.
    It’s really not a good idea to be judging people who happen to express some stance that you happen to have already identified as ‘bad’ and got rid of. Those people are most likely to simply be well motivated people still in the (very long) process of clearing their heads.
    If more people come who are at an earlier stage of this, then any blunt anti-troll attitudes will be damaging…will be having the effect of clearing off loads of well motivated people at an early stage.
    This is one of the issues that any solution has to address.

  391. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    @Jens:

    Jens – we won’t be divided by disagreeing about this. It’s harder to slip into locked horns / point scoring when there is a bigger issue more important to both sides.

    I think Jason is innocent of the charges you are putting across, but I’m never 100% sure and I don’t believe anyone else can be 100% sure in this sort of environment.

    I think that paranoia and suspicion are the real enemy in this situation. It prevents evolution of ideas from taking place.

    You say that my suggestion won’t work of entertaining people when they are voicing POV’s that are ‘good for the whites’ and ignoring when they don’t. I see what you mean.

    In that case perhaps try replacing ‘ignoring’ with a variety of responses depending on the situation in your better judgement. Perhaps hostility is more appropriate when you judge that other people are being swept up by the ‘bad for us’ memes.

    But maybe keep the ideas of
    – judging someone by what they are contributing now, with little regard for what they have done in the past (within reason)
    – when someone previously being ignored by you (or receiving hostility or whatever other counter-measure) is now saying better stuff….then let them back in.
    – and vice verca

    The reason this is important is that otherwise there is a enemy troll opening for getting rid of people completely. Good people can be got rid of.

    What if Jason is a good person that is so passionate about what will work for his people, that he’s willing to take all this stick from people?

    A sensible strategy for someone who has a vision of what could work, would be to find areas of agreement first, so as to make sure that disagreements occur with a context of wider agreement.

    I have wider vision of what will work that will be a hard sell. I would certainly see it as important to establish significant areas of agreement before touching on the more difficult-to-sell aspects.

    How can you tell the difference? Even if you personally do just have really good instincts for this sort of thing, how can your good instincts be systemized such that as a movement we can learn from that? Good instincts are a gift, but they are very hard to prove, and very hard to extract abstact principles from.

    I see these issues as being way more important than whether Jason Speaks is well motivated or not. If he’s well motivated then the person behind the nick Jason Speaks will agree with me.

    If banned that person can easily come back using a different nick, and if he is well motivated and has a vision he feels strongly he needs to get across, then I hope – I insist -that he recognize his duty to do so, and that he learn from what has and hasn’t worked in his approaches so far, and change them accordingly.

    If he is badly motivated, and if he thinks we’re worth the trouble, he’ll come back under a different nick with a slightly modified strategty (or if he feels he’s won…the same thing over again).

    How do you tell the difference between things like this? I don’t think you can. I think it’s better to recognize that you can’t, and seek solutions that somehow take that into account.

  392. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Sorry about that…the block quote should have ended after the link.

  393. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    Military specialist Frank Gaffley is not being alarmist—he is simply being realistic when he writes, with a genuine concern for American marines in the Persian Gulf:

    Let us pray that the US sailors who are unlucky enough to be on duty in the Persian Gulf when the shooting starts can escape the fate of the Roman army at Cannae. The odds will be heavily against them, however, because they will face the same type of danger, tantamount to envelopment.

    The US ships in the Gulf will already have come within range of the Sunburn missiles and the even more-advanced SS-NX-26 Yakhonts missiles, also Russian-made (speed: Mach 2.9; range: 180 miles) deployed by the Iranians along the Gulf’s northern shore.

    Every US ship will be exposed and vulnerable. When the Iranians spring the trap, the entire lake will become a killing field.

    Try and imagine it if you can: barrage after barrage of Exocet-class missiles, which the Iranians are known to possess in the hundreds, as well as the unstoppable Sunburn and Yakhonts missiles.

    http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm

    Jason Speaks:

    Am I being “unpatriotic” for expressing concern for the lives of American sailors in the Persian Gulf? Is it a mark of “disloyalty” to America if I urge them to think twice before they make themselves cannon fodder for Israel?

  394. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 8:06 am | Permalink

    @ Jason Speaks

    Why should I not back Iran if Iran is in the right and America in the wrong?

    I am under no obligation to support a nation that flouts international law abroad and creates a police state at home in which the majority of Americans have reduced to slavery, where habeas corpus has been abrogated, and where citizens can be kept in prison without trial and tortured à la Bradley Manning.

    Contrary to the Zionist propaganda you peddle on this site, Iran is not a country of mad mullahs led by a Hitler-loving president who plans to “wipe Israel off the map.”

    Iran is a civilized country that treats its Jews kindly. Few Iranian Jews are queuing up to emigrate to Israel or America.

    Dr Trita Parsi, an Iranian expert and author of Treacherous Alliance: the Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States, writes:

    Few Iranian Jews take Ahmadinejad’s anti-Israel rhetoric seriously, and they point to the fact that little has changed for Iranian Jews under him.

    “Anti-Semitism is not an eastern phenomenon, it’s not an Islamic or Iranian phenomenon – anti-Semitism is a European phenomenon,” Ciamak Morsathegh, head of the Jewish hospital in Tehran, explained.

    Iran’s forty synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools, haven’t been touched. Neither has the Jewish library, which boasts twenty thousand titles, nor have Jewish hospitals and cemeteries.

    Better to be a Jew in Tehran than a Jew in Tel Aviv.

    http://lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff377.html

  395. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    February 24, 2012 - 7:49 am | Permalink

    There is a whole lot of sabre-rattling going on, but if Israel damns the torpedoes and attacks Iran all by its lonesome, I’ll be shocked. IMO, Israel isn’t going to do zip unless the USA is stupid enough to do the heavy lifting.

    This little drama has played out before, remember? Ahmedinijad twirled his mustache menacingly and rolled his eyes darkly at Israel. AIPAC squealed like a damsel in distress, Dudley DoRight grabbed up the star spangled banner and came roaring in again to kick ass on Israel’s behalf …. oh wait, that didn’t happen, did it?

    Let’s examine what DID happen. Gas prices skyrocketed until Obama made noises about diplomacy. Some comedy ensued when the Israeli-American lawyer, Orly Taitz and the Birthers tried to prod Obama into action, but I imagine, if the Supreme Court, cognizant of the fact that all the Negros in America would be raising chaos all over hell’s half acre if their boy were impeached, sat on their hands. That left the our Shabby Goy Congress to take action.

    So, what did they do? They drafted this resolution that was so useless it would have done the U.N. proud. Declaring their endless love and devotion for Israel, they announced that they supported anything ISRAEL decided to do … ON ITS OWN … to protect itself from big bad Iran. Why?

    They were more afraid of the Negros than AIPAC for a change, so lets take a moment and bow our heads to thank God for all those American Jewish “social Justice” activists who spent the last fifty years empowering the Negro to “express his” first amendment rights so forcefully these past fifty years. I don’t know about anyone else, but I am loving the irony inherent in all this. Wasn’t the Negro vital to delivering America to the cause? Whoops, is it possible that someone miscalculated?

    Anyway, China and Russia threatened to attack anyone who attacked Iran, but Israel was not dissuaded and went after Iran … oh wait, never happened. Faced with the idea of going it alone against Iran and its friends, Israel dropped the whole matter.

    Peace broke out and the gas prices started to drop. Of course, this IS Barak “Don’t drill for oil or dig for coal; inflate your tires” Obama running the country. So the sabre rattling began all over again, gas prices shot up and that’s all she wrote except rinse and repeat.

    To add to the drama, aside from Ron Paul, we have the usual Neo-Clowns on the Repugnant side, running for the presidency, and offering to blow up the entire economy and the ME for Israel, because they love AIPAC so much. My prediction, Obama will squeak back into the WH, because most of those who won’t vote for him won’t bother to vote at all, seeing no real hope for the country from the Neo-Clowns.

    So, while I would prefer not to see the entire world gripped by this hysteria over Iran, people are generally too excitable to see the big picture, just follow the money, and buy a lot of stock in the oil companies. Israel will never attack Iran on its own and no American politician other than RP will never outright promise not to nuke Iran even if he has no intentions of doing so. The only downside to this is that these stupid head games are going to end up bankrupting economies all over Western Europe and the United States, but someone is going to make a lot of money off of this.

    By 2016, the USA is going to be too damned broke to ride to Israel’s rescue and that will be a good thing. Our Shabby Goy politicians can drop all pretense that nothing is off the table when it comes to defending our backstabbing friend, Israel, and openly refuse to get involved a`la Ron Paul. Moreover, we will be too busy rebuilding our shattered economy by doing what we should have done in the first place; focus on complete energy independence and let Israel fend for itself.

  396. February 24, 2012 - 7:49 am | Permalink

    @Jens: Ultimately what needs to happen is the exercise of quality-control by somebody that has the power to do it. Somebody has to decide which individuals’ contributions are not worth the trouble that they cause and remove them.

    At present the number of participants here is still rather small but if more people arrive who are more confused than the current average, the potential for damage by trolls will multiply. It’s already a nuisance.

  397. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 24, 2012 - 7:21 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: You seem to fail to understand how this works. First of all, in case you didn’t understand this(it wasn’t quite clear from your posts that you did, disregard this paragraph if you do): if you want to change someone’s beliefs, the last thing you should do is disagree with them on EVERY belief you want changed. The classic tactic is to present oneself as belonging to a group by agreeing with them on one point and then launching an attack against them on another point from the position of someone who is trusted and who belongs to the group. Jason Speaks executes this diligently, both here and in other threads. Here he has first taken the stance of someone who is anti-zionist, against the war on Iran etc. and then continues on with his main agenda, which is to label us as anti-white. It’s quite by the book, and when you’ve seen this sort of behaviour once, you never fail to recognize it again.

    Second, you can’t defeat this by simply encouraging the instigators when they do their confidence act and ignoring them when they launch their attacks. First of all because most people do not recognize these types of threats, and second of all because the point of the instigator in the first place is to convince you that his attack is indeed motivated by a will to do good. And you are quite right – they often make their attacks on points which cannot be immediately resolved by looking at the facts. Often you have to engage with the instigator and use time and energy to unwrap and reveal his illogical thinking. I think Pearson has done a good job of that so far, and Jason Speaks of course counters it with the also very typical “I am being persecuted”-argument.

    But anyway…talking extensively about this is not going to do any good either, because dividing us is ultimately what they want. People should at least bear in mind that these people do exist wherever Jewish/political correct interests are at stake, and that places like TOO, which are at the forefront of the white liberation campaign, are very, very, very high priority targets to them.

  398. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:56 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    p.s. there is nothing more enraging and dispiriting to a sophisticated troll than when something about his/her strategy results in significant benefit to the environment intended to be undermined.
    Identifying a troll does not help the environment, because that same person can just return using a different identity. IP addresses do not help because that person can use proxies.
    What does help is to learn from the *possibility* of trolls in the most general sense – not only from the standpoint of right now here on this Internet site, but in general in terms of a source of insight into what can be expected up the road if we get traction.
    Trolls are a friend. They can make us stronger if we don’t take them personally and put the feelings and thoughts they give us to a good end.
    One of the biggest challenges to a troll in a sophisticated/determined environment, is to avoid simply making that environment stronger by creating winnable challenges for that environment.
    This is hard to avoid for a troll if the environment has thought carefully about what works and what doesn’t work in terms of defending against enemy strategies.

  399. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 6:51 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    If only I’d known!

  400. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 6:43 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    “In his criticisms of your stances Jason Speaks is being entirely consistent with his views expressed elsewhere….Some of the criticism of you has been fair, and has given me pause for thought. It should also give you pause for thought.”

    It does give me pause for thought. Some of the things I have said here in the Comments section have been controversial. They can be twisted and distorted to make out that I hate America and wish to see it destroyed: that I am only too happy to see good Americans die at the hands of their evil enemies: and that I would welcome WW-3 and the annihilation of America by Russia and China.

    It is sophistries such as these that our resident Zionist troll peddles, trying to get me into trouble — as his sneaky suggestion that I could be working for Al Qaeda.

    I love America and I love its people, and I certainly don’t want to see them destroyed. My mother is American. I have dozens of friends in America. One of my dearest American friends happens to be Jewish. I have written an adulatory article about her, celebrating her paintings, and this can be read on my website. So any allegations against me of “anti-Semitism” are also demonstrably ridiculous.

    I wrote this in a previous post:

    “I want their nukes [Russia’s and China’s] to be put to good purpose if America and Israel should have the turpitude and criminality to misuse their nukes.”

    Jason Speaks quotes the first half of the sentence and leaves out the second —the bit in bold print. He suggests that I would like to see Russian and Chinese nukes destroy America. Who said “destroy”? I said “put to good use.”

    “Put to good use” means used as a threat: as a deterrent to the Superbully, America, so that it doesn’t get too big for its boots and start nuking innocent country like Iran.

    I am all for America if America acts responsibly and abides by international law. I back it to the hilt when America is good and noble, and when the enemy is evil and ignoble. This goes without saying. But I refuse to back America when the enemy is good and noble, and when America is the evil and ignoble party.

    “My country right or wrong” is a philosophy I reject.

    If my husband is a serial killer, I am not going to defend him out of family loyalty. The same with my country. When my country become a police state, an international terrorist state that kills and tortures innocent people everywhere, I am not going to support my country out of a misguided sense of patriotism.

    This is a very simple moral point I am making. Am I “posturing” and playing the “drama queen”, to quote Hadding Scott, when I enunciate a basic principle implicit in international law and ethics?

    This principle is: I will love my country as long as it is good, and I will cease to love it when it becomes evil.

  401. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 6:29 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: ☺☺☺☺
    “Alt” and “1” (from the numbers at the right of the keyboard) simultaneously.

  402. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 6:28 am | Permalink

    @Jens:

    They and you are wrong about jason Speaks whatever the true motivation of Jason Speaks.
    If he’s an enemy troll using the ‘diversity of views’ and ‘wanting to improve the image of WN’ then it actually doesn’t matter that he’s an enemy troll.
    – If the movement gets traction there will be an exponential increase in the diversity of views…and for this reason WN have a unique and time-limited opportunity to get straight what are the hierarchy of views in terms of diminishing importance.
    – If the movement gets any traction there will be a huge increase in the sort of views expressed by Jason Speaks.
    People who come from the mainstream only recently understand what Jason Speaks is saying.
    None of this sheds light on whether Jason Speaks is an enemy troll. The best strategy of a troll is to wrap a strategy aimed at underminng the cohesiveness of the environment within a wrapping of ‘common sense’ good helpful sounding ideas.
    I know this….one of my activities is to actively undermine what I consider to be embryonic intellectual movements that will become harmful to whites if they get traction.
    I’m learning what works. In the process I’m also learning first hand what works in terms of defenses against (i.e. where my efforts are most thwarted.
    Maybe some of you should start doing something like this…it will be enlightening.
    Please see my recent comments under the title “COMMENT ABOUT….” in this thread

  403. Jens's Gravatar Jens
    February 24, 2012 - 6:16 am | Permalink

    Oh yes, Hadding Scott & Rich Pearson are absolutely right regarding this Jason Speaks character. I wonder how many of the posters he is talking to is actually him. Maybe it’s time for a moderator to have a look at some IP adresses here?

  404. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 6:14 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: The man who is all high dudgeon when “N@zi” is mentioned sure has a hide. Hopefully Hadding Scott gets his beer-hall putsch together and be done with it.

    On the prevaricators and dissimulators on this blog – most who’ve been here for a while know who’s who. I actually think it’s instructive watching the “thing” in action; repellent all you like, but fascinating to observe and figure out how “it” functions.

    Good on you for writing such provocative articles. Courage!

  405. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 6:12 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: The man who is all high dudgeon when “Nazi” is mentioned sure has a hide. Hopefully Hadding Scott gets his beer-hall putsch together and be done with it.

    On the prevaricators and dissimulators on this blog – most who’ve been here for a while know who’s who. I actually think it’s instructive watching the “thing” in action; repellent all you like, but fascinating to observe and figure out how “it” functions.

    Good on you for writing such provocative articles. Courage!

  406. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 24, 2012 - 6:04 am | Permalink

    @Henry A. Eckstein:

    HOORAY!!! The Hitchhikers Guide!

    Thanks for All the Fish

    If it’s the Reptilians, Christians believe these will be the demons

    Douay-Rheims Bible Ephesians 6:12

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

    But if it’s the Ancient Aliens (shown on the H2 channel in a series), now believed by many alternative researchers, like Graham Hancock, David Hatcher Childress, and quite a few others (their ideas are practically mainstream by now), then I’m all for it and hoping they manifest come 12/21/2012.

    That date may not be the end of the world, but the end of the world as we know it!

  407. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 5:44 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

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  408. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 5:37 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

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  409. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 4:50 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Lasha – with all this talk you’re making yourself look like a loon. In his criticisms of your stances Jason Speaks is being entirely consistent with his views expressed elsewhere.

    My advice to you is: put the Cause first. Think about what you say and what you do, with respect to “what are my unique abilities and gifts that I can bring positively to the cause”.
    Your imagination/arty soul could be a huge gift, but you’ve got to think strategically about what manifestations will be good for us, and what bad. Some of the criticism of you has been fair, and has given me pause for thought. It should also give you pause for thought.
    Don’t take it personally. Discard the overly hostile stuff, and keep the stuff that hurts in a different way…for being true.

  410. February 24, 2012 - 4:40 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

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  411. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 4:30 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

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  412. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 4:25 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

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  413. February 24, 2012 - 4:20 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Congenial, it is supposed to say. Damn, I wish there were an edit function on this blog.

  414. February 24, 2012 - 4:18 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Got plenty of dry sober intellectual writers.

    I would suggest that “Dr. Lasha Darkmoon” go to writing comic books instead of essays. That’s a form that is more congenital to non-sober proclivities.

  415. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 4:18 am | Permalink

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  416. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 4:04 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    This is a good point Hadding IMHO.
    There are other questions associated with Israel as well. It is the first time the Jewish people have had a chance at their own society.
    In terms of the economy, military, arts…and all the rest of the broad based stuff…they’ve accomplished at the level of a Western society, which is commendable.
    But it takes more than that to enduringly survive. One question that has never come up before in the last 2000 years is whether the secular Jewish people have what it takes to prevent the ultra-religious from taking over. This is a major question that deserves analysis. What will be the economic/social/scientific outcome if the ultra-religious do become dominant? What can the current and historical trends tell us about this matter, in terms of which side will win the internal tug-of-war. Looks like an ultra/orthodox victory hands down to me.

  417. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 3:59 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Lasha – very arty…all these different characters…maybe it’ll whip up some buzz….probably need a little something extra first.

  418. February 24, 2012 - 3:56 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    The decline of Egypt, Persia, Greece, Rome, England, and Germany didn’t seem to put them in a bad spot. They’ll just move on to some other unlucky, kind-hearted people who don’t have a fraction of the will and hate that the tribe has.

    You’re comparing apples and oranges. It’s one thing for the rats to bail out of a sinking ship and find another, quite a different thing when the Jews are trying to maintain their own ship called Israel. There is nowhere near as much flexibility in preserving a territorial state as in preserving a nomadic people. Having a territorial state surrounded by enemies means that they need a major power to subsidize them and help them safeguard their borders, and there is no obvious candidate to undertake that burden once the USA goes under. Most likely the current Jewish state won’t last very long after that.

  419. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 3:52 am | Permalink

    @pessimist:

    pessimist – the invasion and de-balling of Iraq was won by the US in a few days. The mission to create a new Iraqi society was lost by the US over several years at massive expense (probably contributing to the steep relative economic decline the US is now in).

    An attack on Iran would not be like the Iraq mission. It will be an air war followed by small troop landings near nuclear sites to finish the job. Small…could be 50-200 special forces with massive air support.
    Iran can’t fight back in all the ways you suggest because America would simply provide them with a ‘menu’ of what will happen to their civilian and industrial infrastructure, in which district of Iran, for each kind of proscribed fight back by Iran.
    It’s just silly to pretend that America can’t take out Iran. The issue is that America does not want to take out Iran.
    The real risk from an attack on Iran is that the instability could seriously cause the Western ecnomies to slide into a depression and tip the very delicate balance over into another massive banking/debt crisis…that this time Western countries will not have the reservces or credit to bail out.
    That’s a very real risk. But it’s nothing to do with Iran’s power, and everything to do with the fragility of the West.

  420. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 24, 2012 - 3:30 am | Permalink

    @De Profundis:

    @Lasha Darkmoon: I think your poetry is awesome, Dr. Darkmoon. Do you do the art too?

    Thanks for the compliment re my poetry…but no, I don’t do the art work myself…I just choose the pictures to illustrate the text. I am the “picture editor” of the site.

    http://www.darkmoon.me/

    I ought perhaps to explain (because people are unaware of this) that I do not own this poetry-cum-political site, and I have no final say on what gets published there.

    My own work has often been rejected by the editor, John Scott Montecristo, who happens to be my cousin. He has even deleted some of my best poems and translations, against my will, after complaints from readers that the poems were immoral and disgusting.

    Why do I tell you this?

    Simply to underline my point that there is very little freedom of speech anywhere.

    And the situation gets worse by the day.

  421. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 3:29 am | Permalink

    @Dan:

    Lasha’s POV may be slightly unhinelpful in places, but she’s an artsy all-rounder in other respects and actually we could use a lot more of that. Got plenty of dry sober intellectual writers.

  422. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 3:12 am | Permalink

    @Jarvis Dingle-Daden:

    Jarvis – what did I say that contradicted anything you just said?
    I was speaking from the Ruddian/Chinese perspective. They stance is that they are waiting in the wings to replace America as the most influential force in the ME.
    Right now there is already a powerful strategy underway. If Syria falls Iran is cut off from Hezbollah, which will leave Hezbollah vulnerable and Iran isolated..right or wrong?
    Then, with Iran isolated the same strategy of overthrow by civil unrest can be played out in Iran. Right or wrong?
    From the standpoint of China and Russia the civil unrest route is worse than the bombing route, because the bombing route involves significant damage to the US reputation and lots of two-faced anger from arabs and so on and so on, hence accelerating the de-balling of the US in the ME. Right or wrong?
    Israel is the local hegemon..that was totally implicit in what I said. I.e. it isn’t just Israel, it’s the entire USA which Israel and it’s loyal subjects in America have totally subverted (robbing the people of the world’s first democracy of their real freedom, and then dispossessing them with third world immigration. Nice people).

  423. February 24, 2012 - 3:10 am | Permalink

    @Darkmoon

    It makes me sad to know this, and I completely understand. This is the sad and terrible consequence of speaking REAL TRUTH-TO-POWER, to live in-fear of those who “Jesuits and Irish” who run this planet into-the-ground, but still do what one can to promote the truth as it is as best one can.

    God bless you for your efforts, and just know that there are many more of us out there speaking the REAL TRUTH to the masses than ever-before in modern-times, and that number will only ever increase because once a person is FULLY-AWARE of the demons walking-on-two-legs’ power, influence, and psychopathy against those who are not like them, THEY NEVER, EVER GO BACK TO THINKING THE SAME WAY OR BEING THE SAME PERSON EVER AGAIN.

    LINDSEY

  424. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 24, 2012 - 3:03 am | Permalink

    @Henry A. Eckstein:

    Henry I think my responses would be:

    – what about the racialism of Orthodox Judaism? Wonder what’s going to happen to your lilly-white Israel in the ME when America implodes from all the love your people have given it during your 50 year period of elite status (wow…destroying a country in 50 years man…that’s incredible, ain’t it?)

    – enjoy your false sense of security while it lasts.

  425. February 24, 2012 - 3:03 am | Permalink

    For those of you talking about the Wahhabis and the jewish House of Saud…THIS ONE’S FOR YOU, BABY!

    http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2433.0

    “The embarrassing origin of the House of Al-Saud is not just questionable, but well known. The standard LIE from all such puppets and donkeys installed by the Americans and Brits as super dictators over their people is that their ancestral lineage goes back to the Hashmite clan. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In reality, the ancestral lineage of the Al-Sauds goes back to the Jewish tribe of Banu Qunaiqa of 7th century Arabia.

    And that’s not the end of the story. The 18th century founder of the Wahabi sect, Muhammed ibn Abd Al Wahhab, had his origin from the Jewish community of Turkey. His grandfather was a Turkish Jew belonging to the Doenmeh community, as the “secret Jews” of Turkey were known who collaborated with secular dictator, Mostafa Kemal Ataturk (himself a Doenmeh) to secularize Turkey. The Doenmeh Jews are a very manipulative and dangerous community. To know more about the Doenmeh, check the post revealing the hidden facts about Mostafa Kemal “Ataturk,” a Doenmeh or crypto Jew.

    A report from 2002 Intelligence reports of the Iraqi government has given much information on the Wahabis and their origin going back to the Doenmeh or crypto Jews of Turkey. Read this very informative piece on Wahabis and their Turkish Jewish origin.”

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/2002-iraqi-intel-reported-wahhabis-are-jewish-origin

    “The U.S. Department of Defense has released translations of a number of Iraqi intelligence documents dating from Saddam’s rule. One, a General Military Intelligence Directorate report from September 2002, entitled “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots”, shows the Iraqi government was aware of the nefarious purposes of the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, often known as Salafis, in serving Western interests to undermine Islam.

    The report relies heavily on the Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, which describe in detail how a British spy to the Middle East, in the middle of the eighteenth century, made contact with Adbul Wahhab, to create a subversive version of Islam, the notorious sect of Wahhabism, which became the founding cult of the Saudi regime. The movement was temporarily suppressed by the Ottomam armies in the middle of the nineteenth century. But with the assistance of the British, the Wahhabis and their Saudi sponsors returned to power and founded their own state in 1932. Since then, the Saudis have collaborated closely with the Americans, to whom they owe their tremendous oil wealth, in funding various Islamic fundamentalist organizations and other American covert operations, particularly the “jihad” in Afghanistan. But the Saudis simulatenously use the immense wealth at their dispossal to disseminate this disruptive brand of Islam to various parts of the world, categorized by some of the largest propaganda campaign in history.”

    NOW you know why these creatures support israHell against their “SUPPOSED” Muslim “brothers” in almost everything that ever happens, and make Muslims look just awful with their extremist-sect of Wahhabism…all the while RIDING AROUND IN GOLD-PLATED ROLLS-ROYCES AND HAVING A HAREM OF MISS AMERICAS WHILE THEIR PEOPLE SUFFER IN POVERTY.

    I am so damned sick of the crypto-jews who have infilitrated the nations of the world and destroyed them from the inside-out that it LITERALLY is beginning to make me physically-ill. When will you people finally realize just how deep this tumolt-and-chaos by the demons walking-on-two-legs really goes?

    When will enough ever be enough for the people of this planet?

    LINDSEY

    NB: Don’t forget to promote the article http://www.zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order everywhere that you can; what happened to the Russians is going to happen WORLD-WIDE if these creatures get their “jewish-Utopia.” That is a fact.

    NBB: For those of you who don’t know from where I get the term, “jewish-Utopia,” let me show you directly: http://iamthewitness.com/books/The-Ultimate-World-Order-as-Pictured-in-The-Jewish-Utopia-1957.pdf

    “The Ultimate World
    Order
    — As Pictured in “The Jewish Utopia”
    By
    Robert H. Williams
    “THE JEWISH UTOPIA”, discovered by the author in
    an unlisted Jewish collection in the library of the University of
    Texas, is the authentic and complete plan of the Zionists for
    world domination. It pictures the ultimate “new social order”
    which the Zionists hope to establish after they have used Communism,
    democracy and a third world war to gain their ends.
    THE ULTIMATE WORLD ORDER is an analysis of “The
    Jewish Utopia”, with photographs and excerpts from the original
    text.”

  426. Henry A. Eckstein's Gravatar Henry A. Eckstein
    February 24, 2012 - 2:55 am | Permalink

    Since this conversation has deteriorated into
    excessive racialism…which is rather pointless…I think
    i will leave you all with a thought about what will happen
    to your precious Lilly White Pacific Northwest when
    Reptilian Aliens with Ten Million Tonne star ships
    are hovering over Seattle….I’ll be VERY INTERESTED
    in your opinions as to just what a tiny, itty bitty
    hoot of care your ideology will matter in the face
    of beings who are 100 million years older than humans
    and can terraform entire solar systems into gargantuan
    Dyson Spheres with SEXTILLIONS OF SQUARE MILES
    of living space and a few hundred TRILLION inhabitants.

    Please do pontificate as what TINY IOTA of care your
    racialism will mean in the context of meeting others
    VERY DIFFERENT and MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN
    US…ALL OF US….White, Black, Red, Yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian…..PUT TOGETHER…see how pointless it is
    in the end?

    I will enjoy reading the responsive posts!

    So long and thanks for all the fish!

  427. Jarvis Dingle-Daden's Gravatar Jarvis Dingle-Daden
    February 24, 2012 - 2:08 am | Permalink

    @ Mickey Meadows

    I don’t think they really care that much if Iran is attacked. In fact they would prefer Iran was attacked than what is currently happening.

    You really oughta stick to your day job, whatever that is.
    Besides, Israel doesn’t ‘wish to dominate the ME’. They’ve been doing so militarily for decades with America boasting the dubious honor of the designated underwriter tapped to ensure Israel’s so-called qualitative edge.
    The whole reason behind current crop of Likudniks going ape is the realization that when Iranian engineers eventually fashion a nuclear tip onto a Shahab, Israel’s status of a regional knockaround guy who can bomb and/or invade neighbors @ a whim will forever alter.
    Nuclear Iran will undoubtedly prompt their old Wahhabi foes to reciprocate (probably followed by the Turks); which will make Israel’s predicament go from bad to worse.
    According to Israeli internal polling up to 1 million Judaic citizens of that state may consider booking one-way tickets should Iran acquire deliverable nuclear weapon.
    As many as ½ million of them already are said to possess American passports.

  428. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 24, 2012 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    @blue rose: Bishop Williamson, on truth in the modern age:

  429. February 24, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    The US cannot act without allies, which explains the existence of NATO and other ‘defence’ alliances. But this is all a gigantic bluff. In fact ‘the allies’ consist of leaders corrupted by Zionist alliances, and the media-proselytised appearance of homogenous national support. That the media is also under the control of Zionists Murdoch, Berlusconi, et al is equally significant. But illicit leadership is not the nation, as my surveys show.

    Australia (for example) is renowned as joined to the US through foreign policy; so much so that all national leaders have come to believe their own propaganda, that all Australians support Israel. Yet in 2006 my surveys showed that 76% of Australians rejected the Israeli position in the Middle East, and the 2010 survey revealed that the attack on Gaza (400 children killed) and pirate attack and execution of nine aid flotilla citizens (all shot in the back, four in the back of the head) had greatly angered Aussies, resulting in 84% implacably opposed to Israel. This would be closer to 87% today. I suspect that similar sentiments would be expressed in all other countries, if only there were objective pollsters.

    The overthrow of the current extremely unpopular Australian Government would undoubtedly result in Australia’s immediate revocation of support for Israel, and would impose severe caveats on our our barely legal (constitutionally unmandated) treaties with the US. At this time of finely balanced polarisation of alliances, this would suddenly deliver massive propaganda value to Iran, Russia and China; to the acute embarrassment of Israel and the US.

    With several Latin American and south Asian nations currently reviewing future alliances, this would become the pebble that triggers an avalanche; enough to cost the US its global ascendancy.

    I am not saying this will happen, but it is possible; and it is the way history usually works. The world turned upside down with nary a Sunburn, nor bullet fired. Remember the Berlin Wall.

  430. Joe Webb's Gravatar Joe Webb
    February 24, 2012 - 12:20 am | Permalink

    @Dan: agreed. Joe

  431. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    February 24, 2012 - 12:12 am | Permalink

    @Felix: Danger is apparently exactly what Lasha Darkmoon desires, if she is hoping for Russia and China to have their “nukes to be put to good purpose.”

    In recent years, I’ve become increasingly optimistic about our future as a movement. Whites who cared for our collective future have moved away from acting out the caricatures produced by Hollywood, towards a professionalism combining intellectual and activist approaches.

    But in the past week or so, this opinion piece, along with Collin Liddell’s at Alternative Right entitled “Is Black Genocide Right?”, have made me worried that we are going to let our justifiable anger drag us off course. Yes, the policies of America and Israel against the latter’s neighbors is both stupid and very wrong. But to hope for America to suffer nuclear strikes is the most extreme anti-white scenario I can think of.

    I am not a villain, I don’t want to be a villain, and I don’t want otherwise intelligent pro-white sites to lose credibility in the eyes of everyone by dreaming for an apocalypse. As Alex Kurtagic said, worse is not always better. Sometimes worse is just… worse. Let’s readjust our sails and construct our narrative that works and hopes for a better future for all whites, instead of hoping for the deaths of hundreds of millions of whites due to the mistreatment of non-whites.

  432. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure, but I think Bishop Williamson is a member of the Traditional Catholic SSPX? The SSPX is usually the Catholics who speak out against the Holycaust. In Hoffman’s blogspot there is also this about this Rabbi Mayer Schiller who ‘ingratiated himself with traditional Catholics and was even invited to speak at the SSPX seminary’. So if Bishop Williamson is SSPX, something’s not kosher if he succeeded in his court appeal, not to mention just days before Purim begins:

    Catholic investigative reporter Maurice Pinay (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/) writes as follows:

    From Failed Messiah we have a translation of a text of the Skver [also spelled “Skvere”] Hasidic sect. Rabbi Mayer Schiller who for decades has ingratiated himself with traditional Catholics and was even invited to speak at the SSPX seminary in Ridgefield Connecticut on numerous occasions, is a member and spokesperson for the Skver Hasidic sect. We have been warning against his cajolery for years to no notable effect. Mayer Schiller is featured in a Fatima video, “Heaven’s Key to Peace” alongside traditional Catholicism’s most respected pundits.

    Here are the master race teachings of hatred imparted to the youth of Rabbi Mayer Schiller’s Skver Hasidic sect: [more at link]

  433. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Michael Hoffman just sent through an email in which he mentions American Renaissance. You can read the email at

    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/02/fatima-rabbis-hate-cult-entire-essence.html

    ‘Fatima Rabbi Mayer Schiller’s Skver Sect Teaches its Children to Hate Non-‘Jews':

    “Gentiles are wholly evil. They spiritually pollute the world”
    Michael Hoffman’s Note: Talmud teacher Mayer Schiller is one of Orthodox Judaism’s most successful infiltrators of both the American right-wing, including American Renaissance, and the Roman Catholic Fatima movement led by Fr. Nicholas Gruner. Rabbi Schiller is a member and leading spokesman for the racist anti-goyimite Skver Hasidim of New York which, as the following documentation from the book Yalkut Shaiylos u’Teshuvos (endorsed by the Grand Rabbi of Skver) attests, adhere to the rabbinic dogma that all gentiles are irredeemably evil. Rabbi Schiller’s virtuoso writing and speaking engagements in right wing circles are partly responsible for the widespread dissemination of the delusional notion that Talmudic Orthodox Judaism is a sincere ally of Christian conservatives and the pro-life “Family values” movement.’ Read more at the link above.

    At the link, however, where he mentions American Renaissance, there should be a link, which shows up in the email, but not online. The AmRen link goes to:

    http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/02/index.html

    with some articles:

    Separation: Is there an alternative?
    Separation for Preservation
    For whom the Bell curves?
    O Tempora! O Mores!

    What I’d like to know is: Why are the Jews in with American Renaissance? Why are the Jews looking for ‘separation’ when they already consider themselves separate? Do they consider themselves separate from Whites and Western Civilization? Or, rather, do they recognize — at all — a White Western Heritage?

  434. Nitpicker's Gravatar Nitpicker
    February 23, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:
    “dictatura occulta”. “dittatura occulta”. Friendly criticism, mind you.

  435. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    The Jewish Parliament article also goes on to say:

    ‘Whether the members will be chosen or elected will be up to the Jewish communities in each country, said Vadim Rabinovitch, the Ukrainian Vice-President of the European Council of Jewish Communities.

    ‘The number of representatives from each country would be based on the weight of each community.

    “This Jewish representation will have the opportunity to talk with other parliaments in Europe with the same language,” he said.

    ‘Jewish communities and individuals from across Europe will be invited to give their ideas on how to proceed through the ECJC’s Internet portal. ‘

  436. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    That is good news indeed. Is there really hope for truth?

    Not in my opinion. It looks to me more like a bone thrown to the Christians right before Purim.

    The Jews are still one step ahead. Someone way above posted an article about a new layer of Jewish representation that is in the works — the Launch of a European Jewish Parliament, the ‘voice of the Jews in Europe':

    http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/france/50141

    “We must make tabula rasa* of the past,” Besnainou, who heads the Unified Jewish Social Fund (FSJU), stressed. The Jewish community of France is the largest in Western Europe and the third in the world after Israel and the US.

    ‘He pointed out that existing Jewish organizations in Europe, the Conference of European Rabbis, the European Jewish Congress and ECJC are dealing with religion, politics, fight against anti-Semitism, education and culture. “But today you can’t anymore separate these issues.” “We need a unique representation because a Jewish voice in Europe in all its diversity is fundamantal for the future of our people,” he said. ”

    *Tabula rasa is the epistemological theory that individuals are born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes from experience and perception.

    So you see, they are well preparing for the future, and unless Bishop Williamson’s success also can be met by others, in whatever country, who are hauled before the Sanhedrin, so to speak, for expressing doubts about this Holocaust, then I don’t see it as any particular hope for knocking the Jews down a peg or two as the world’s Overlords.

  437. De Profundis's Gravatar De Profundis
    February 23, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @De Profundis: ps. Have you read Leo Yankevich’s poetry over at Counter Currents?

  438. De Profundis's Gravatar De Profundis
    February 23, 2012 - 10:36 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon: I think your poetry is awesome, Dr. Darkmoon. Do you do the art too?

  439. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 23, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    “I am not sure what your point is. You don’t have to know a thing about the Jewish religion to recognize that the decline of the USA puts the Jewish State in a bad spot.”

    The decline of Egypt, Persia, Greece, Rome, England, and Germany didn’t seem to put them in a bad spot. They’ll just move on to some other unlucky, kind-hearted people who don’t have a fraction of the will and hate that the tribe has.

  440. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 23, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:
    Thank you both. That is good news indeed. Is there really hope for truth?

  441. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 23, 2012 - 9:56 pm | Permalink

    @pessimist:
    It would be surprising if there weren’t a Meyer Lansky aspect to the burgeoning heroin trade in Afghanistan, like Vietnam. Public sector agencies’ black budgets getting fattened up in league with international criminals.

  442. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 9:13 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:
    Rose,
    I understand the technicality, I hope. Thanks to your help, I have finally made it available to the participants the message, I wanted to convey namely, that the Bishop Williamson’s ordeal takes a positive turn.

    Again, I’m most obliged for your help!

  443. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    February 23, 2012 - 9:12 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    Yes, we live in a time when speaking the truth can be dangerous.

  444. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Bishop Williamson Wins His Court Appeal Against ‘Holocaust’ Sentence & Fine

    FINAL CONFLICT

  445. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    @GREZCM:

    I guess the thanks goes to you — you were able to follow my directions lolll Words often mean different things to different people, and that’s the problem with trying to explain things. I know I often get forever confused.

    Try it now by taking out HYPERLINK, and putting in your own title for new url. (if you want, of course, or do it another time)

  446. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    My goodness, Blue Rose!
    Great thanks!
    I didn’t want to litter the site with many trials. I’m most obliged!

  447. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:

    I’ll try that again:

    Brownie Locks

  448. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    here
    grrrrr, wrrrrr, It’s now, or never. :)

  449. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 8:45 pm | Permalink

    @blue rose:
    Thank you, Rose.
    It’s frustrating to use this fine tool. It should be more user-friendly.

  450. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 8:44 pm | Permalink

    @GREZCM:

    For instance, I backspaced out http://www.theoccidentaloberver.net and copied in its place a new url (in its entirety), in this case http://www.brownielocks.com/words.html

    So click on the hyperlink below and see how it comes out:

    HYPERLINK

    On the next one I’m also backspacing out ‘HYPERLINK’ and putting my own title in (hopefully):

    BROWNIE LOCKS</a

  451. blue rose's Gravatar blue rose
    February 23, 2012 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    @GREZCM:

    When you copy the Hyperlink into your comment (as shown below the comment formatting for ITALICS, then backspace out the http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net (KEEPING THE TWO QUOTES INTACT). Then cut and paste the entire URL you want to direct people to, pasting it IN BETWEEN THE TWO QUOTES.

    And I just realized where it says HYPERLINK, that can be changed to ‘here’, or even ‘here and ‘here’ (without the quotes) as they do sometimes in the articles.

  452. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 23, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Reggie Seradly: I don’t get it. You premise that you don’t renounce assassination or torture, but what’s this implied appeal to morality (“evilness”)?

  453. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    February 23, 2012 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    You realize we haven’t won a war since we terror bombed Serbia into surrendering. Iraq was a total loss despite a trillion dollars worth of military assets thrown at it and is now a Shia religious state that is utterly hostile to Western society. Afghanistan is now a Heroin producer power house(5800 tons vs. some 180 tones under the Taliban) thanks to the U.S. Army and Marines who now protect opium production. Militarily in Afghanistan we only control the ground our troops occupy at any given moment. We’re a joke on the ground and the Afghanis know that.

    That said, Iran knows if they play our game – stand up fighting, they lose. Their best bet is repeat what’s done in Afghanistan. Sucker us in and bleed us and maybe get a few nasty strikes in that cause lots of casualties. Disperse the Sunburns, use a shit load of decoys that will cause us to burn through our smart munitions and cruise missiles the way the Serbs did. Set up traps for the heli-borne Spec Ops types, if they can shoot down a chopper full of them or prevent us from landing the unit, it will be a big PR coup. Stir up Shia, fund uprisings in Iraq, KSR and Kuwait. Funnel weapons to them – this will force us to use our limited Spec Ops assets in areas we didn’t want to get into. Get the USAF to bomb Iranian cities and kill lots of civilians to turn the rest of the ME against us. This is a given since the Iranians know that if they don’t surrender within 24-48 hours after we deliver our ultimatum we’ll blow up every hospital, school, power plant, railway hub and bridge we can find. We did that against the Serbs and Iraqis and will repeat against the Iranians.

    With the Sunburn’s, the Iranian’s will only need to get lucky once or twice to hurt us.

    Lastly if they can get the main Saudi oil field in Gahwr to be shut down for any length of time, Europe and Asia will be hurt big time and they’ll turn against the U.S. and that jack booted military war machine of ours.

  454. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    February 23, 2012 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    @ Katana: Thanks for the tip. Here’s the Mullins book for anyone who may be interested.

    http://www.librosdeodio.com/new%20history%20of%20the%20jews.pdf

  455. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    February 23, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Purim fast approaches, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim

    2012 Date: Sunset, 7 March – nightfall, 8 March

    Will the Jews be howling for blood?

  456. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    February 23, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    I do understand the emotional reaction to Israel’s bad behavior. But here is an example, which you just wrote, that I don’t think even you really believe, at least not when you think it through. I don’t mean to hold you accountable for something that you wrote perhaps somewhat hastily, but it is instructive:

    You said the following in a reply:

    My only concern is this: that if Iran is attacked by the Zio-American warmongers, Russia and China may decide to chicken out and let their ally be destroyed rather than risk World War Three.

    Are you really saying that you are afraid that China and Russia won’t attack the US if a conflict occurs? You want the conflagration to reach apocalyptic proportions, just to satisfy a desire to avenge Iran?

    Yes, my one big fear is that Iran should get the Libya treatment and that not a finger should be lifted to stop this happening.

    I want Russia and China to intervene.

    I want their nukes to be put to good purpose if America and Israel should have the turpitude and criminality to misuse their nukes.

    You want the nuclear weapons of China and Russia put to good use against the US, should the US use nuclear weapons? Granted, the US has no business using nuclear weapons against Iran, nor is it going to, but think through what you’ve just said. The US still has about 200 million white people and Russia has 140 million white people. You would “punish” the US by praying China and Russia attack us with full-scale nuclear weapons? This could result in the deaths of potentially 350 million white people at a minimum (Not to mention over 1 billion Chinese).

    And then there is the potential for hundreds of millions more whites in Europe to be devastated. How is that in the interests of whites?

    So, I don’t know whether to take you seriously or not when you write things like that. It doesn’t sound like you’re coming at this from a pro-white perspective. And no matter what happens with Iran, I don’t really think you really want to destroy almost 400 million white lives by encouraging Chinese and Russian nuclear attacks.

  457. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I have difficulty in using the hyperlink template provided above.
    When I copy the:
    HYPERLINK
    and paste into this window, everything becomes plain text.

    Could anybody instruct me, please, on how to handle the matter?

  458. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 23, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    @Lindsey:

    “Dr. Darkmoon, you really should be interviewed by Mark Glenn at http://www.theuglytruth.wordpress.com and let your voice literally be heard.

    This is an article that EVERYONE should read, and share with EVERYONE who they can because it is past time for the whole truth to be known by the world.

    You need to do interviews on RBN with Deanna Spingola, Mike Rivero, Maggie Roddin, Rick Adams, and Stadtmiller, too, because you have a lot to offer the listeners; it doesn’t make any sense why you don’t promote yourself.”

    * * *

    Dear Lindsey,

    Many thanks for your kind words, but I cannot “promote” myself for many good reasons.

    I have already been invited by a number of people to appear on their radio shows, including my good friend Mark Glenn, Deanna Spingola, Carolyn Yeager, Mike Harris (a staff writer at Veterans Today), and several other radio show hosts. Unfortunately, I have been forced to decline all their invitations.

    This is partly because I am writing incognito under a pen name (and therefore need to conceal my identity), and partly because I am just no good at public speaking.

    Neither my employers nor my family know I write anti-Zionist articles for the internet that are highly critical of organized Jewry and its machinations. If they did, I’d be in big trouble! I’d be dismissed from my job at once and disowned by my closest relatives — all of them, unfortunately, fanatical Zionists.

    I have already explained much of this on my poetry blog. See paragraphs 2 and 3 here:

    http://www.darkmoon.me/about/

  459. David's Gravatar David
    February 23, 2012 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Men have always ruled over men with the mind of a juvenile. it seems that a prerequisite to fill the position of a leader of a nation is that he/she must have experienced arrested development in the cerebral region of their anatomy. Consequently preventing adult thought processes from developing. America has been literally destroyed by 10 years of war that were brought about and justified on LIES. War without legitimate provocation is mass murder. there is no other way to define it.
    God has never spoken to me and told me that the Jews were his or any one else’s chosen people. And, until he does, I will see it for just what is which is total propaganda (putting it nicely) designed to keep those that would otherwise see it for what it was had it not been indoctrinated into their psyche by very slick religious dogma. Why would God choose “a people”? According to the same book we are all one big family. How many family do you know that the parents or father have titled one of the children as the favorite one? Doing for one and giving it every thing within its power while openly telling the others “to hell with you, you don’t count. You live only to despair your life away because you are not the favorite child.”
    Israel can fight her own battles. America has already too much blood on our hands for falling under her spell.

  460. February 23, 2012 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    @Felix: I am not sure what your point is. You don’t have to know a thing about the Jewish religion to recognize that the decline of the USA puts the Jewish State in a bad spot.

  461. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    February 23, 2012 - 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Harding Scott wrote: “If they[the Israelis] wreck the United States in the process then they are really up the creek without a paddle.”

    Read their holy books. It becomes clear that the rest of humanity outside the tribe are but instruments to their advancement. I always advocate to my friends who are supporters of Israel to read the Torah, the Talmud and whatever of their holy books they might want, it seldom fails to open their eyes.

  462. Publius's Gravatar Publius
    February 23, 2012 - 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the most comical aspect to the threat of war with Iran is this peculiar ideology of nationalism. We inhabit one world, civilization is one entity, all of us have our common humanity which is in direct opposition to the State. Since World War I it has been the policy of the small clique of national leaders to use the most modern weapons to kill the largest number of people and cultivate in the homeland a sense of life or death against the enmy of the hour. Preposterously enough 100 years later I see this death cult going strong. Randloph Bourne wrote that War is the Health of the State. At that time he referenced the Administration of Wilson; if we today reference the Administration of Obama we would be quite wrong: war is the health of those who seek to create an international super state out of the United States, a sort of prelude to the world state armed to the teeth resembling either Feudalism or Totalitarianism, China perhaps comes close to the desired future of these leaders. The wars fought today are the consequence of a militaristic policy. The dead men, women, children and ecosystems piled up in hecatombs is not of any consequence, that the living will envy the dead is not of any consequence, only the end justifies the means is of consequence and that means all options of mass death are on the table and any resistacne to this will be punished by forced prison labor or death. World War I is truly the template for our era-that war was the opening shot in the Reconquista of planet Earth by the undying money masters. The only solution seems to be domestic: moving away from the top down control to local control by boycotting all fraudulent elections and using actually existing anti-terror laws to indict and arrest government officals from the last 40 years or more for treason. Another helpful step is eliminating corporate personhood. And probably eliminating the entity called the USA Inc and again replacing it with a broader localizewd grass roots controlled governance model. Want a war? Then you can vote on it! Want a monsterous Defense Budget-vote on it!.

  463. J.J. WHALEN's Gravatar J.J. WHALEN
    February 23, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    luke
    regarding matt richer at vdare. i sent him a email saying his article on the irish in boston was full of hot air.he has said the same thing about the irish in boston some time back at vdare. white nationalists don’t need friends like this.

  464. Reggie Seradly's Gravatar Reggie Seradly
    February 23, 2012 - 3:57 pm | Permalink

    “…where torture has been normalized and where the President is now free to kill anyone he chooses, anywhere in the world, who he happens to suspect is a terrorist.”

    Against moral relativism, I am going to affirm that I see nothing morally wrong with either torture or assassination. Such techniques are the normal manner of a strong leader: but a strong leader who upholds Liberalism, naturally, is being highly inconsistent. But such inconsistency is correctly in line with liberalism: the Reign of Terror in France was wrought by men who opposed the death penalty!

    I obviously do not want to be assassinated or tortured for my opposition to the ruling regime of the West. However, such a result is not impossible, and I will as always accept Fate with serenity. That is how my namesake, Marcus Regulus, accepted his fate at the hands of the Carthaginians. That is how I will go, if that is what my fate should be.

    I do not renounce torture or execution or assassination. I renounce the evilness of the Liberal regime, along with Zionism where it poses itself as an enemy of the European.

  465. Lasha Darkmoon's Gravatar Lasha Darkmoon
    February 23, 2012 - 3:49 pm | Permalink

    “Netanyahu and his camp followers here do not really want a war now. They just want it understood that they can dictate whether there is one or not. And when. In other words, they want to show who is boss.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/aipac-iran_b_1265984.html?utm_source=Alert-blogger&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email+Notifications&ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=2276357,b=facebook

    This is the kind of statement that should be a source of deep concern to White Nationalists. Do you want a miniscule White Nationalist state in the NW Pacific when

    (a) the bulk of America has been stolen from you and is under the hegemony of Likudnik Jews who receive their instructions from Tel Aviv?

    … and when

    (b) your new state is sure to be infiltrated sooner or later, like the Catholic Church, by Talmudic Jews hell bent on your destruction?

  466. February 23, 2012 - 3:33 pm | Permalink

    In the long run none of this is likely to work out to Israel’s advantage. It’s all a desperate attempt to save the Jewish State from an untenable situation. If they wreck the United States in the process then they are really up the creek without a paddle.

  467. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    February 23, 2012 - 2:57 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “I think that’s why many WN’s are somewhat excited by the possibility of Iran creaming the Israeli/US war machine. ”

    Are you serious? The US would fly sorties 60,000ft in the air and bomb Iran with impunity.

    A war on Iran is bad for us, because it will make Israel stronger. That’s bad for us, because a stronger Israel will be able to obtain more of its goals without resorting to actions that disgust and shock euro-descendents thus help wake them up.

  468. fender's Gravatar fender
    February 23, 2012 - 2:30 pm | Permalink

    @Dan:

    Conflicts can be divided like this:

    -Good for us
    -Bad for us
    -Good for our enemies
    -Bad for our enemies
    -Neither good nor bad for us
    -Neither good nor bad for our enemies

    A war with Iran would be neither good nor bad for us, but it would be bad for our enemies. I think that’s why many WN’s are somewhat excited by the possibility of Iran creaming the Israeli/US war machine. It doesn’t strengthen us but it does weaken our opponents.

  469. omop's Gravatar omop
    February 23, 2012 - 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Darkmoon and others on this site aught to accept what the Moldavian born ex girlie bar bouncer and now FM of Israel says who “really” makes the decision onf Armageddon…..

    « U.S., Russian warnings against Iran strike will not affect Israel’s

    Israel’s foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, says in TV interview that Israeli decision is ‘not their business’; says security of Israel’s citizens is ‘Israeli government’s responsibility.’

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview on Wednesday that Israel will not bow to U.S. and Russian pressure in deciding whether to attack Iran.

    Speaking on Channel 2 news, Avigdor Lieberman rebuffed suggestions that American and Russian warnings against striking Iran would affect Israeli decision making, saying the decision “is not their business.”

    He said “the security of the citizens of Israel, the future of the state of Israel, this is the Israeli government’s responsibility.”

    Russia warned Israel not to attack Iran over its nuclear program on Wednesday, saying that military action would have catastrophic consequences.

    “Of course any possible military scenario against Iran will be catastrophic for the region and for the whole system of international relations,” Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said.

    “Therefore I hope Israel understands all these consequences … and they should also consider the consequences of such action for themselves,” Gatilov said at a news conference.

    This week, the U.S.military chief said an Israeli attack would be “not prudent.”

    The tail waging at least two dogs.

  470. February 23, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    So long as Iran’s Revolutionary Guard is manning those missile-batteries in southern Lebanon, all this talk about attacking Iran is bs. If those get taken out somehow, it changes everything.

  471. February 23, 2012 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Let me just add though, that ISRAEL could get a missile strike from the batteries in southern Lebanon. The Iranians basically have Israel in such a position that they dare not do attack. The destabilization of Syria is probably intended to cut off the route from Lebanon from Iran so that eventually the Iranian missiles won’t be sustainable in Lebanon.

  472. February 23, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    The USA could certainly inflict enormous damage on Iran with bombing and, as long as this is not followed with a ground invasion, most likely the USA would suffer little in terms of military retaliation. But that doesn’t mean that there would be no bad consequences. There would be a price to be paid in terms of even more debt and even more damage to the USA’s already badly damaged reputation. Being hated by almost the entire world is bound to have serious ramifications that can’t even be anticipated. Most likely the real purpose of such an imposition of misery, destabilization of the Iranian government, would not succeed: it didn’t work in Germany 1942-1945 and it didn’t work in Iraq 1991-2003.

  473. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Correction to my previous post (first time to use hyperlink). I hope, this time will work:

    On the bright side, Bishop Williamson scored “a href=>small victory for free speech”, in David Irving’s words, yesterday.

  474. ps79's Gravatar ps79
    February 23, 2012 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Only a week ago, Alireza Forghani, head of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s strategic team, was quoted as saying: “It would only take nine minutes to wipe out Israel.”

    That person (Alireza Forghani) is not in that position and such a position doesn’t even exist. So your source Debka is wrong. He recently wrote a controversial article about attacking Israel that was mostly for internal political use, although it could be used as a proof for hostility of Iran towards Israel. Similar to “Holocau$t” and alleged “Wipe Israel off the Map” remarks by Ahmadinejad.

    One thing that people usually ignore is that internal politics affects foreign policy to a large extent whether being USA, Iran or Israel. The fact is that it is hard to follow and understand internal politics of a country by a foreigner particularly a country like Iran with non-transparent domestic politics.

    It is worth reminding them a little bit of a limited direct conflict between Iran and USA in 1987-1988 at the end of Iran-Iraq war, which- I believe- forced Iran to accept the cease fire and UN resolution 598.

    I doubt military superiority alone determines the outcome of a war. No doubt military capabilities of USA and Israel have improved since 1988 but Iran hasn’t been sitting idle too.

    1-Operation Earnest Will

    “Operation Earnest Will (24 July 1987 – 26 September 1988) was the U.S. military protection of Kuwaiti owned tankers from Iranian attacks in 1987 and 1988, three years into the Tanker War phase of the Iran–Iraq War.[1] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.”

    “In December 1986, the government of Kuwait asked the Reagan administration to send the U.S. Navy to protect Kuwaiti tankers against Iranian attacks.[2] U.S. law forbade the use of Navy ships to escort civilian vessels under a foreign flag, so the Kuwaiti ships were re-registered under the U.S. flag”

    “On the very first escort mission, on 24 July 1987, the Kuwaiti oil tanker al-Rekkah, re-flagged as the U.S. tanker Bridgeton, struck an Iranian mine damaging the ship, but causing no injuries. The Bridgeton proceeded under her own power to Kuwait, with the thin-skinned U.S. Navy escorts following behind to avoid mines”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Will

    2-Operation Nimble Archer

    “Operation Nimble Archer was the October 19, 1987, attack on two Iranian oil platforms in the Persian Gulf by United States Navy forces. The attack was a response to Iran’s missile attack three days earlier on the MV Sea Isle City, a reflagged Kuwaiti oil tanker at anchor off Kuwait. The action occurred during Operation Earnest Will, the effort to protect Kuwaiti shipping amid the Iran-Iraq War.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nimble_Archer

    3- Operation Praying Mantis

    “Operation Praying Mantis was an attack on April 18, 1988, by U.S. naval forces within Iranian territorial waters in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf during the Iran Iraq war and the subsequent damage to an American warship.”

    “On 14 April, the guided missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine while deployed in the Persian Gulf as part of Operation Earnest Will, the 1987–88 convoy missions in which U.S. warships escorted reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers to protect them from Iranian attacks. The explosion opened a 25-foot hole in the Roberts’s hull and nearly sank it. The crew saved their ship with no loss of life, and Roberts was towed to Dubai on 16 April. After the mining, U.S. Navy divers recovered other mines in the area. When the serial numbers were found to match those of mines seized along with the Iran Ajr the previous September, U.S. military officials planned a retaliatory operation against Iranian targets in the Persian Gulf.”

    This battle was the largest of the five major U.S. surface engagements since the Second World War, which also include the Battle of Chumonchin Chan during the Korean War, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Battle of Dong Hoi during the Vietnam War and the Action in the Gulf of Sidra in 1986. It also marked the U.S. Navy’s first exchange of anti-ship missiles by ships.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

    4- Attack on Passenger Flight Iran Air 655 by USS Vincennes

    Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War.
    The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, over Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy’s guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it twelfth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

  475. GREZCM's Gravatar GREZCM
    February 23, 2012 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    On the bright side, Bishop Williamson “scored a small href=”http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net”> victory for free speech“, in David Irving’s words, yesterday.

  476. February 23, 2012 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I would explain to Lindsey why the Protocols can’t possibly be authentic but I know from experience that it wouldn’t do a bit of good.

  477. February 23, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:Stalker is a cheap buzzword just like fascist. It’s a consistent pattern of sensationalism.

    There are the concern-trolls and worryworts at one end of the spectrum, and at the other end, some people that really are reckless. An optimal approach will be based on facts and reason, with little succumbing to either fear or sensationalism.

  478. February 23, 2012 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    This was the first time that I felt the need to comment on your work, and it is to give ZionCrimeFactory’s masterpiece “The jew World Order Is Upon Us–Beware!” the much-deserved attention that is needed at this time in the history of humanity’s struggle against he demons walking-on-two-legs.

    Dr. Darkmoon, I have noticed that too many in this “movement” always have criticism when The Protocols are mentioned, or when you directly focus on the meat-and-potatoes of the problem in an article that you use to further your point, and those people are NOT helping this fight against the demons walking-on-two-legs; however, they are aiding them by confusing the minds of those who already on-the-fence as to what to believe BECAUSE IT MAKES COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE SENSE GIVEN OUR CURRENT SITUATION ACROSS THE WORLD, and what to discard because it is complete and utter dis-/mis-information.

    Continue telling the truth as it is, and NEVER, EVER for one second think that the JIDF/Hasbara types are not masquerading as “supporters” of yours in-order to do to you what many of the “big-names in this movement” have done for years now–intentionally obfuscate, confuse, and muddy-the-waters of truth to further the divide-and-conquer strategy of the demons walking-on-two-legs.

    God bless you, and seriously consider going on the programs that I mentioned, and PLEASE promote the article as best you can–www.zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order

    LINDSEY

    NB: For those of you who are NOT working to obfuscate/sow-discord, JIDF refers to the “jewish Internet Defense Force” that actively and CONSTANTLY goes to message-boards, YouTube, call-into radio shows, etc., in-order to either promote israHell’s “good” points, make EVERY attempt possible to remove videos telling the truths about the demons walking-on-two-legs, lobby to remove/censor comments that speak too directly/truthfully about what is happening to our world and who is doing what, and to harrass and harangue message-board participants as “trolls” in-order to either de-rail the conversation/topic or create such a hostile and DISTRACTIVE ATMOSPHERE as to make it un-tenable for a continuation of any meaningful dialogue; does ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU, Dr. Darkmoon? Also, they call-into radio programs in-order to not only de-rail the conversation as “trolls” but to ACTIVELY SOW DISCORD and TUMOLT by pitting one host against another…among other tricks and traps that they have designed in their training as members locally and a-broad of the JIDF.

    NBB: Thank you, again, for allowing me to say directly what I should have said long-before now, Dr. Darkmoon.

  479. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 23, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    I urge you to consider writing articles here. I applaud your devotion to claiming a spot in the sun for other voices, but it does reach a point of diminishing returns. All too quickly, these exchanges devolve into personal attacks, ego protection and incredibly childish name calling. Do not feed that beast.

    You have the intelligence, resources and writing skills to promote the interests that we both believe are most needed to move beyond the fringe status. Put your efforts to better use. Once they resort to personal attacks rather than reasoned discourse – you win! No need to pursue it to the bitter end. It is not a pretty sight.

  480. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    February 23, 2012 - 11:41 am | Permalink

    @Lasha Darkmoon:

    This is my first comment under one of your articles. A lot of people (that I respect) happen to like your articles, so already that’s a plus in my book. Thanks for your articles. Even though I haven’t really read them yet.

    You do seem likeable. For example I really liked your comment dated 12:38 PM Feb. 22, 2012.

    When you (twice) refer to Jason Speaks as your “stalker”, that seems unnecessarily harsh and almost slanderous, especially since you are a woman and he is a man. I’m not saying his behavior (under this article or other articles of yours) is appropriate or inappropriate — I don’t know enough to give my opinion.

    The word “stalker” can mean different things, and some of those things are serious.

    I think Jason is passionate about some issues and he likes having his thoughts heard or his concerns addressed. Maybe he is some kind of mole. Though I don’t think so. But others are free to believe that.

    I hope it is not inappropriate for me to share my thoughts about this stuff. This comment is intended to be respectful towards you and Jason. My comments aren’t perfect and I’m not always great at articulating my thoughts, so some amount of forgiveness might be necessary.

    Have a good Thursday, all.

  481. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 23, 2012 - 11:32 am | Permalink

    @Dan:
    Well said, Dan, thanks. We need more reasoned voices like yours here. I hope you continue to comment.

  482. Felix's Gravatar Felix
    February 23, 2012 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    I know the terms fascist, H***** and Holo***** are bandied about so carelessly that we are often forced to only hint at them to get our posts published. That being said, the destruction of a nation of 74millions would be a true holo***** and make whatever really did happen under Herr H***** look like a garden party.

    For something to be a tragedy, the person (or persons) suffering it must be of noble character and someone with whom we can associate humanity’s best qualities. Were the US and Israel to rain nukes down upon Iran, in light of the actions of their collateral descendants one would have to reacess the moral status of the victims of Herr H***** and, perhaps, recast the sad event as not a great moral tragedy but merely a great misfortune.

  483. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 23, 2012 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    @me:
    Great quote, thanks.

  484. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    February 23, 2012 - 10:34 am | Permalink

    @fender:
    I agree that it is in no one’s interest to have a war now, and American Jews are fully aware that if Israel attacks, on it own, America will pay for it.

    In this election, all candidates, except Ron Paul, are already controlled by Jewish money. Gingrich openly explained that his sugardaddy is very concerned about Israel security. Shame is dead in America.

    My best guess is that Israel will back down, but demand some outrageously expensive new military equipment as the price.

  485. February 23, 2012 - 10:24 am | Permalink

    Lasha,
    Good article and timely. Israel has newer missiles that they could use to attack Iran. They can launch them from Israel without using planes. Israel could also use their submarines (courtesy of the German taxpayers) as a launch platform to get the ball rolling.

    FWIW…Half of my listeners believe that Iran will “jump the shark” and attack Israel. While I tend to disagree with this view. There is “usually” only so much a country can tolerate. Iran has seen it’s scientist murdered driving to work. Also, that little virus attack on their nuclear facilities. Not to mention the economic atta