Obama is clearly dragging his heels on Iran. What the NYTimes called Obama’s “defensive speech” at AIPAC today reiterated US commitment to diplomacy and sanctions, while at the same time emphasizing his record of strong support for Israel. But it’s not going to be enough to please his masters. The Lobby wants the US to go to war and they don’t seem to want to wait even until after the election to get it. Obama, doubtless thinking of the disastrous effects on the economy and therefore his chances in the election, would at least prefer to wait. Perhaps I’m naive, but I believe him when he says he doesn’t want to preside over yet more dead and wounded Americans returning from the Middle East.
In any case, there is little reason to think that Obama can withstand the pressure. Remember last year, when he offended the Lobby by talking about the 1967 borders: It quickly became apparent that the US could not pressure Israel on the settlements or anything else:
Tensions have been high between Obama and Netanyahu for over two years, but Israel hasn’t changed its behavior at all, indeed announcing 1500 more housing units in East Jerusalem timed to coincide with Netanyahu’s visit. … By 2012, it will likely be obvious that Obama’s remarks haven’t really changed things for Israel, with the result that Jews will continue to focus on their domestic agenda of supporting White dispossession via funding and supporting the Democratic Party as the party of ethnic grievance and multiculturalism, maybe with a slight decline from the ~80% of Jews who voted for Obama in 2008. It is possible that defection of some Jews (combined with somewhat less enthusiasm by Jewish donors and Jews in the media) could influence the 2012 election in close states like Florida and thereby have a major effect on the outcome. See “Obama Offends the Lobby,” 5/21/2011)
As the Guardian noted, the response was tepid:
The audience didn’t love the speech. The president was met with respectful applause. But many Aipac delegates and supporters must now be hoping that Netanyahu can get more out of Obama when they meet at the White House tomorrow.
This of course is a grand opening for the Republicans, foreshadowed by sparring between Liz Cheney representing the Republicans and Jane Harmon defending the Obama Administration. In his speech, Obama mentioned the expected pro-war comments by Republican presidential candidates who will be speaking in the coming days. The usual competition for the approval of the Israel Lobby.
The NYTimes article mentions that Obama’s speech reflects “the wariness among American intelligence and foreign policy officials about repeating the mistakes of the Iraq war” without mentioning the decisive role of the Israel Lobby in that disaster. And surely there are quite a few people in the US defense/intelligence establishment who remember the intelligence reports cooked up by Israel-firsters like Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and Abraham Shulsky in the Office of Special Plans in the Defense Department.
It also interesting that there was no mention of the Palestinians. One clear effect of the emphasis on Iran by the Israel Lobby has been to make everyone ignore that the dispossession of the Palestinians continues apace. In the current atmosphere, no US politician would dare utter even a peep about Israel’s settlement policy, two state solutions, or peace talks with the Palestinians. Whatever the eventual result, the Lobby gains by taking all of these issues off the table.
I suspect that Israel’s goal is not really to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. They have already whittled the criterion down to the hopelessly vague criterion of being capable of producing a nuclear weapon rather than actually possessing one. And now they are insisting that Iran agree to halt all enrichment of uranium, which obviously won’t happen.
They want a war, period. I suspect they would like to inflict massive damage on Iran’s infrastructure and cause suffering by civilians, as they did in the war in Lebanon in 2006. Iran, with or without nuclear weapons, is a thorn in Israel’s side—a strong supporter of the Palestinians and of anti-Israel groups like Hezbollah. From their point of view, it’s more than enough reason to punish them and set them back economically as much as possible.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Someday Israel will rue the destruction and pain they have caused in the middle east. But it will probably not be in the form of a military defeat. But rather an economic collapse. With the looming economic catastrophy, (depending on your point of view) in the near future for the U.S. and western Europe. Israel will lose the bulk of its financial aid. And without it, they are toast. They may even find themselves working for the *gasp* Palestinians! And the new emerging superpower, China will not be overly sympathetic to the “Holycaust”
Correction, China will not be willing to pay what amounts to “protection money” as they won’t particularly give a rats azz about being called “anti-semite” and thus will refuse to pay the “Holy-cost”
It is interesting to think about the obvious philo-semitism of evangelicals and what we always talk and sing about in church. It is “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus and everything about him, his saving grace, etc”. I think the Jews may understand the nature of Christianity being Jesus rejection of the law and judiasm better than we Christians do. How can anyone in Christianity support the concept of the jews as God’s chosen people when they reject his son and his son’s sacrifice. How stupid is it for people who say Jesus is the only way to heaven for everyone except the jews, who get a free pass if they keep the law, but who the hell keeps the law? You cannot possibly be that Holy! These jew lovers in church are thick headed fools who need to wake up before their sons get sent to die in that pathetic hot desert called the middle east.
Perhaps it is not suprising the son of a muslim who accepted Christianity is beter able to see through the jew machinations.
P.S. Famous evangelical Rick Warren is doing some really big outreach to Muslims, maybe the tribe will be stupid enough to attack him!
http://www.ocregister.com/news/-159815-ocprint–.html
Obama has been close to a win-win for us. He needs to prevent another war to have even a chance at reelection – it was largely the warmongering of the Bush/McCain Republicans that got him elected. At the same time, the overt anti-White hostility from the Democratic left, especially of the Black and Latino crowds, has all but cured Whites of any “White guilt.”
As far as I can see, the only real danger of another Obama term is some sort of amnesty and increased immigration, however it’s likely that even a GOP minority in the Senate would block it, since that’s about the only issue that’s actually popular with the average GOP voter. Other than that, the GOP offers exactly nothing to the average (White) American.
Obama 2012!
I suspect that Israel’s goal is not really to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. They have already whittled the criterion down to the hopelessly vague criterion of being capable of producing a nuclear weapon rather than actually possessing one.
It seems like déjà vu all over again, because I’ve heard that Jewish refrain once before as a means of getting the US to invade Iraq, after the Afghanistan invasion. Hearing from the Jewish lobby is getting very old, very fast. What pansies US politicians are if they are so frightened of this Jewish lobby not to expose them. For all their neatly pressed suits, red ties, well groomed hair cuts, and blather for ‘talking points’, the Republicans are just as much traitors and cowards as any Democrat.
@Vlad Writes:
Rick Warren being presented by the obsolete media as ‘America’s Pastor’ is so laughable and pathetic. This is what comes from a nation of brain-dead religious fanatics. Sometimes I think the atheists have it right.
@Rich Pearson: Rich, the GOP’s supposed role as the gaurdians of illegal immigration and borders is, in my opinion, also an illusion, resulting in a shut out for them on anything at all that concerns the average white American, since illegal immigration screws blue collar workers, common laborers, and taxes, all of which concerns whites, Especially the kind of whites that the Republican Party is always telling to “pull themselves up by their own bootstraps”,etc. How do they do that when those same Republicans allow jobs and wages to get trashed?
In reality, there is now, and has been for forty years, no really serious enforcement of illegal immigration so that it’s all just smoke and mirrors. The Democrats undo every single thing the Republicans accomplish on this issue, and there is an ongoing piecemeal amnesty, as one law at a time is ignored. For example, the LA Police Chief, Beck, and the L.A. County Sheriff, Baca, are now in favor of giving FOREIGN NATIONALS ILLEGALLY IN THE STATE DRIVERS LICENSES.
@admins (trying this again, my posts keep getting blocked)
@Bobby, I completely agree that the GOP politicians are not just worthless, but hostile on immigration. However, the typical GOP voter is very much anti-illegal immigration, and very much “implicitly (pro-)White.” The GOP politicians basically have no choice but to be anti-illegal immigration, simply because that’s about the only issue they can credibly claim they are better on than the Democrats.
As I said, I think four more years of Obama will be far better for the average (White) American than any GOP, with the sole possible exception of immigration – which the GOP may well be forced to oppose, since their entire platform is hated by the average White.
The GOP’s top pollster, Frank Luntz, has said he is “terrified” of the Occupy Wall Street movement, because if the GOP is seen as defending the “Banksters” they will lose big time.
The typical GOP fallback has been to attack Blacks, while ostentatiously embracing all other racial groups (Asians, Indians, and Latinos.) But even that has diminishing returns. Other than the idiotic Xian-Zionist religious fanatics – already causing the GOP heartburn over this birth control nonsense – nobody really gives a damn about Israel, and nobody thinks Blacks run the hated Wall Street.
Again, I think Obama has been a win-win for us. The left is tearing itself in half over the Jew/Israel issues. My greatest fear is Jews en masse converting to “implicitly White” nationalism in a last gasp gambit to save Israel. That’s why ruthlessly excluding and attacking Jews should be our number one priority.
All the non-Whites already hate Jews, they make a perfect scapegoat. We should triangulate on this one. That’s why I am completely anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, and 100% support the Palestinians.
WHY the pandering to the Jewish Lobby?
The fact is that 40% of the billionaires in the United States are Jewish or come from interfaith backgrounds where one side of the family is Jewish. This in a nation that represents 25% of the global economy.
According to J. J. Goldberg (the former editor of the Forward) in his book “Jewish Power” he boasts that 45% of the fundraising for the Democratic party and 20% of the funding for the Republican party come from Jewish funded Political Action Committees. Richard Cohen of the Washington Post has recently updated this data to read 60% for democrats and 35% for republicans fundraising come from Jewish funded Political Action Committees.
Since the 1930s according to Forbes business magazine, 25%-30% of the wealthiest families in America have been Jewish.
In Canada one of the biggest economies in the world, Jewish-Canadian billionaires represent 49% of the Canadian stock market. And Jewish-Canadains of wealth are notorious heavyweights for political donations in U.S. politics, in effect helping the cause for the Zionist entity, through the military might of the U.S.
This is why for all this pandering to only 2% of the USA population.
Israel is a domestic issue, not a foreign policy issue.
Peace.
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http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_14_03_08_kwiatkowski.pdf
http://www.4shared.com/office/4-dutyb_/The_Transparent_Cabal.htm
For those who haven’t already read Sniegoski’s naming of the names, above a review, and the book itself.
@Vlad Writes:
I’ve heard that a passionately pro-Israel form of Christianity has existed in the US since the 19th century, but I believe the modern version began with the Hal Lindsey types, who predicted the imminent end of the world and the return of Christ, starting back in the early 1970s. If I remember correctly, he has made comments about God blessing those that protect Israel.
This appealed to the moral instincts of a lot of misguided Christians. Anything that could get these generally good-natured people to wise up about Jewish influence could pay big dividends. It’s tragic irony that they spend so much time defending the very people that often pump filth into their homes, undermine their culture and express contempt for Christian Whites.
There are quite a few countries in the world without nuclear weapons that could make them if they so chose. Israel does not want Iran even to be in that club. Just the ability to be able to make nuclear weapons has some deterrent effect against aggression. What Israel would most like to see in Iran is to see the government toppled. The U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff need to stiffen Obama’s spine and tell him to tell Israel that there is not going to be an attack by anybody.
By the way, as I’m sure KMD and others will soon address, Putin has won the election. It is very obvious that Jews in Russia, Europe and the US have a deep dislike for Putin. It must be the fear of any power center that has resisted Jewish control (I have no idea how much Putin is actually resisted Jewish power but apparently he has enough to anger them).
And also, there is the fear of a nationalist/racial feeling being forged in a major European nation that must be troubling to Jews and to Davos men types as well. Interesting times.
@blue rose:
BlueRose;
Well said!
@Michael Santomauro:
Jewish names;
Gold, Goldman, Goldburg, Goldstein, Goldblatt, Silver, Silverman, etc.
@Hedgerow:
Agree. If US is going to police the world it should start by policing Israel
@Jason Speaks:
Agree. If the tribe don’t like em, they can’t be all that bad.
Now is the time for the likes of a Pat Buchanan or a Ron Paul supporter to print
a copy of the citation below [noted on Google and wikipedia] for every Senator Congress person, and distributed to all the networks and all media domestic and foreign:
In a September 2003 interview in Elsevier, a Dutch weekly, on Israel and the dangers it faces from Iran, the Palestinians and world opinion van Creveld stated:
“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force”….
“We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”
The time may also have arrived to inform Israel and its lackeys in the Senate and US Congress as they say in Monte Carlo’s casinos “rien ne va plus”.
@Jason Speaks: Very well spoken, Jason. Somehow, when it comes to personal failings, the jews aren’t blamed in Christian circles for the massive undermining of American culture that comes out of Hollywood, even though they head the biggest 7 studios. I’ve mentioned these sort of things before and people just don’t seem to want to hear about it.
I’m just going to have to keep hammering home the concept that jews reject Jesus, and Jesus rejected those jews who didn’t follow him.
I take hope from this comments section of an article on Obama’s speech. There is the usual ‘everything and more for Israel’, but there are quite a few pointing out that this is not in America’s interest. if this is in the NY Times, imagine what the sentiment in the rest of the country is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/world/middleeast/in-aipac-speech-obama-warns-against-loose-talk-of-war.html?_r=3&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto#comments
More evidence that the iron hold is slipping, The Atlantic, a liberal mainstream magazine, warns Israel and Netanyahu that if Israel strikes on its own, and there are negative repercussions, it will be the end of the special relationship.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/the-special-relationship-an-israeli-strike-on-iran-could-weaken-us-ties/253924/
@Henry Baxley:
Yeah, many names containing words for precious metals and stones. Kinda indicates what their main interest in life is.
Israelis will strike if they feel like it. They will hit at Iran’s program regardless of what we do, with murder and bombs and viruses whatever. Obama is playing to the fundraisers, of course. Maybe we will make some air sorties against Iran or maybe not.
But if we bomb Iran, we will strengthen Almadinajad. If we don’t he will have to contend not only with the opposition but also the mullahs whom he does not control. The next president when he is gone might not be as interested in playing this nuke game. Iran has a lot going for it in the middle east, and the whole nuclear power and uranium enrichment business is just one of its actively expanding bases for power. They have oil, obviously, a huge population that is probably better educated person for person than Arabs, great location, fantastic foreign relations with China and Russia, useful proxies in Lebanon and else where, I think they don’t really need this chess-piece to maintain Iran’s increasingly strong strategic role in the Middle east.
Maybe just a really big war that kills a lof of them is what the Israelis are aiming for like they got out of us in Iraq. But it seems unlikely that our population would go for that again.
Its guessing now for those of us without crystal balls but I think this will be an episode of saber rattling that will somehow blow over and it will just go sideways without too much fireworks, at least until after election.
You’re the best Kevin. You point the finger on the right spot by mentioning the ignoration of the Palestinian question due to the perceived threat of Iran. It is all about shaping the perspective on Israel: it should not be (rightfully) seen as the bully of the M-E and oppressor of the Palestinians, but as the ‘isolated island of democracy’ under the threat of destruction.
Israel is not going to attack Iran and the U.S. is not going to do it for them, but all this fear-mongering is creating the image of Jews as a people under siege, their favorite image. Meanwhile they accellerate the dispossession of the Palestinians.
@Dirk: Mistypo: it should be seen as the bully, not the isolated democracy under siege.
By the way: Israel has no means to attack Iran. They should refuel their planes twice over hostile airspace (Iraq/Syria/Saoudia-Arabia), one time going to and one time going back. They can not even allow themselves be engaged in a dogfight or even be detected over this long distance.
@omop, regarding the statement of Martin van Creveld, that Israel would use nuclear bombs to destroy western Europe, including the center of Catholicism in Rome, if its existence was threatened: in that case whoever is left, Russia, China, whoever, would hunt down and annihilate every last member of the Tribe known from the time of Tacitus as the enemy of the human race.
I’d love to see some government bigwig attend one of these huge Jewish meetings and kick off his speech with a “Guten tag!”
Interesting clip of two Jews discussing the use of the term “Israel-Firster” and whether or not it is anti-Semitic. This is from Bloggingheads.
http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/9137?in=23:15&out=30:38
@Vlad Writes:
For many Christians what you are encountering is not a theological block as much as it is an emotional one. I cannot address your community, of course, only mine. For many people I know, the Bible was the only literature available for several generations of early settlers. The stories of the Bible had such a rich resonance with the lives they faced. When they speak of Jews and Israel, they are not talking about real people that they have met and judged. I do not defend their position, merely try to make it more understandable.
There is a good reason why Netanyahu et al wants the attack BEFORE the election. After the election, Obama (if he wins) is in his last term. Then there won’t be as much personal incentive for Obama to follow Netanyahu’s orders. Obama might be inclined to tell him to stuff it at that point. If it happens before the election – even if Israel alone initiates – the Jewish lobby in the U.S. has the power and influence to drag Obama in. Obama won’t want to risk its ire preelection. After the election, the Israelis will realize that the Republican candidate is more likely to do their bidding. All, except Ron Paul, are falling over themselves in trying to show the greatest belligerence towards Iran.
Alice, that is a good explanation. They are really talking about the historical jews of the bible, so to speak, not the meatheads of the middle east we wrestle with today.
@Alice Teller:
When they speak of Jews and Israel, they are not talking about real people that they have met and judged.
That is absolutely key, great point. Most of the white Christians whose ancestors go back to the founding stock are thinking of Jews in an almost metaphorical way and obviously relate them to stories they read in the Bible. Perhaps one effective strategy would be to make clear that the Jews of 3000 or 4000 years ago in Bible stories have little to do with the Jews of today that live in NYC and run the media.
@Vlad Writes: @Jason Speaks:
Many people I know cannot tell the difference between Jews and New Yorkers. Same accept, manners, materialism, etc. (apologies to my northern brethren). They think Jews are the people who wrote Ecclesiastes.
I can tell by reading a lot of these posts that many are in a state of spiritual conflict; They want to follow their NATURAL INSTINCTS to survive, but are plagued by doubts due to being PROGRAMMED from birth with religious crap.
Don’t let a DEFAULT EXPLAINATION of life be the cause of your death. Such as happened to the poor American soldiers who died in Iraq, defending their false God. Jesus can’t save you now! It’s up to you to follow the only TRUE God. NATURE! This God will not fail you. It is screaming at you to SURVIVE.
How close are the A-rabs to taking out the Telaviv grid with shoulder held rockets?
A lot of presidents have went to war after they won re election on a platform of ‘no war’. Obama will too.
@Someday:
Yes true. it’s funny how many are pinning their hopes on the Kenyan to look out for white interests!
@Henry Baxley: Henry there is definetly a lot of “religious crap”. I have seen poor people, literally make themselves poorer, by doing things in the name of some religion. Now this isn’t the same as believing in God, in my opinion. Here we must make a distinction. Even the Christian Bible says be as gentle as a dove, but at the same time, sly or alert as a fox,etc. One thing is clear. This is a world of struggle and violence. I’ve often thought about why God would make a world where one living creature, must of neccessity, end the life of another one, in order to survive. Yet, that’s how it works. That IS REALITY. Anyone that can’t accept that when they are in a position where this universal rule operates, might as well, as Frank Sinatra song in one song, “roll myself up into a big ball……and………die…….My….my…..(“That’s life”, Frank Sinatra)
@Someday:
That is true of Wilson (WWI) and FDR (WWII), both under strong pressure by Jews and that is what you – as a Jew – hope will happen with Obama too. Nice to see you back again from Tel Aviv, Somejew! You will try again to urge us to follow the Jewish agenda while at the same time trying to convince us that such an agenda doesn’t exist, I suppose?
@ Jason “I am not Jewish” Speakes.
Obama the great hope of Whites? If he succeeds in keeping the Jews at bay he’ll deserve our praise. The advantage of Blacks is that they don’t suffer from a guilt complex towards Jews. At least Obama has removed his two Jewish “handlers” David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel from the White House, showing some independence of mind. In his speech Obama has made it clear that the US will only go to war with Iran after it has developed a nuclear weapon, not before as Netanyahu wants. To avert a catastrophe the Iranians only have to continue what they are doing : developing nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.
The only trick upon his sleeve Netanyahu has is a false flag opreration (probably an “Iranian” attack on an American ship in the Gulf) but then Joint Chief of Staff Mike Mullen already has travelled to Tel Aviv to tell the Israelis that such a thing will not be tolerated. So, with all his faults, Obama might indeed be the great hope, not only for Whites but for the whole world. Viva Obama!
@Franklin Ryckaert:
I agree…*gasp* (I never thought I would be saying anything good about a Black president. But a spade is a spade (no pun intended)
The fact is Obama is of a new, secular generation and hasn’t been steeped in Christianity; (read Jew worship) like most white Americans. Indeed, having been raised much of his formative years in a Muslim country he is in a unique position to see both sides. This is why I think he sees Israel for what it is…a trouble maker. Don’t forget he voted AGAINST the Iraq boondoggle…Whats that about “my eneny’s enemy…etc.
@Bobby:
I agree with your post totally
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Sadly your recent spate of vicious personal attacks against me were disappointing – not because of pain and suffering suffered by my pen name – because it means you are rather easily duped and don’t have the analytical ability I had assumed.
Please refrain from attacks or negative comments about my imagined personal traits. In fact, if you want to just avoid replying to any post I make or commenting on me at all, that would be just fine.
@Jason Speaks:
Those “vicious personal attacks” against you were exactly based on not being easily duped but on analytical ability. I found it very strange for example that someone like you still believes in the official 9/11 story (I will not go over it again.You can easily find factual information on the web, indicating a clear involvement of Israelis and American Jews).
BTW, I am certainly not the only one on this forum who suspects you to be a Jewish “concern” troll, in fact I am the last one to have said so. Anyway, I’ll keep an eye on you. Presently I’ll have my hands full with “Someday” who has returned. Jews never give up.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
I just asked you to stop referring to me as a Jew and you insinuated it again. This all goes back to the fact that your side becomes infuriated when someone tries to reason through their particular conspiracy theory – and nothing else. Greg Johnson, among many other WNs, have expressed exhaustion at dealing with people just like you on this issue. So I am hardly unique.
I do not need you to “keep an eye on me”. If you think you have a case, kindly contact Dr. MacDonald and have me banned. It’s really quite simple. The people at TOO would have full access to my IP address, as well as other relevant information, which I would rather not disclose right now, which can be used to immediately render judgment on this issue. This would be much more effective and much better for the site then literally posting one caustic note after the other attacking someone’s credibility. Who gains from that? Legitimate discourse is derailed.
It is poor argumentation in the extreme to simply call people who have a different theory from you, “Jews”. We are not a bunch of Negro children in the ghetto playing a game of dozens, trying to see who can put down the other’s mama or make some other personal insinuation.
Again, kindly contact Dr. MacDonald or the editors at TOO and have me banned. Otherwise, stop clogging up the forum with personal attacks.
@Bobby: Interestingly, Jason (disclaimer – I don’t believe he is jewish) is probably not a practicing Christian, but he is not rude toward sincere believers nor mocking towards them. Hence, he effectively communicates with us even as we might disagree concerning God. That is a mark of his maturity and wisdom, not jewish trickery. If you want to influence someone, you have to get some common ground. I’m willing to accept athiest white brothers and sisters, or more commonly those who are indifferent to Christianity, but it is hard to have an affinity for those who brutally mock my religious beliefs.
When Christians open their eyes and see today’s jews are trying to steal the thunder of the ancient jew’s exalted status prior to Jesus, then one billion of the world’s Christians will stop being blind on that subject, make a truce with the Arabs, and go on about the businesses of trying in vain to convert people like you.
White people can coexist without agreeing on everything, or align ourselves permanently on one side or the other. Some people on here bash the excellent contributer Jason, who deflects it pretty well, and I don’t believe he holds it against me for supporting the other rational things his detractors say when they aren’t accusing him of being jewish. We are naturally combative people since we expect to be bashed by the liberal cesspool of current America, so we reflexively bash each other when we disagree, and yet we probably are very alike except a few hopelessly unsolvable arguments about things like 9/11 which shouldn’t be a line in the sand issue. Even if it were proven Netanyahu ordered 9/11, people would believe what they want, and it wouldn’t change things. Jason puts forth rational ideas which might help the movement, or spur others to build on his ideas.
If anyone can prove he is jewish, I’ll donate $1000 USD to this site.
Here are Holocaust death figure documents I found on a popular forum (scroll down and you shall find):
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=20810.0
Can anyone vouch for the credibility of such documents – i.e. particularly the Red Cross document that claims approximately 271,000 concentration deaths in total.
Former Boston furniture salesman Benny Nitay, former Moldovian bar bouncer Avi Lieberman and former cross-dresser Ehud Brog shall squeal like stuck pigs unless and until such time as America reaches an understanding as to the true intent of the Tehran mullahs which is to bring about The Holocaust ® Part II.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
My old German father once told me how those funny Jewish names originated. As most know Germany and Austria once dominated ‘Mittel Europa’ and share the German language. It seems the old gents at the border checkpoints had sport at attaching the ludicrous monikers to East European Jews as they approached, no doubt fleeing west from the pitchforks of their angry Gentile victims of some scam or other.
When a family with an unpronounceable name, like Stalins
(Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) would arrive and offer a bribe in (say) Gold or Silver. The Guards would issue the family with one of the numerous ‘metal’ names: Goldstein Silberstein, Eisenberg. They also had fun with fruit tree and ‘flower’ names like Birnbaum, (Peartree) Apfelbaum, (Appletree) or Rosenbaum, etc etc. Occasionally a down at heel Jewish man would arrive with a gaping hole in his pants, exposing his skin so the funster Guards would name him ‘Weissbein’ (White Leg)
I cannot imagine why they would name someone ‘Dreyfuss’ (Three Feet) or far worse, as was the case for one of my fathers high school teachers who had the unhappy name of ‘Löwenshiss’.
Whoever said the Germans don’t have a sense of humor? I suspect this is one of the reasons Jews hate Germans and Austrians.
@Vlad Writes:
Thanks, well said, and your money is safe. By the way, I’m not really an atheist, I’m just not personally religious (at least at the moment). I was when I was growing up, but I have leaned toward a scientific view of things since being an adult. However, I still have the same wish for an afterlife that most people do and I have my doubts. There are times when I wonder the old question, “why is there something rather than nothing?”. So, I’m willing to accept that there are things out there I don’t understand and humans never will.
I feel pretty sure that whatever the truth is, it shouldn’t contradict basic facts and logic. But I agree we shouldn’t alienate Christians, who after all are the vast majority of whites. I understand people’s frustration with Christians as well as regular patriotic Americans, but I think we have to be careful about how we criticize them in public – like the phrase “patritard”. I understand the sentiment behind it, because some really good people can seem mindlessly devoted to whatever the US or the GOP says is right, but we have to remember these are basically good people and many of them are actually open to pro-white ideas, even if they don’t know it yet.
And no, I certainly don’t hold it against you or anyone else for having different ideas. I need to be exposed to them and we all need to be able to argue our case. As someone said, I think it was Mickey Meadows, we still need to be able to deal with the arguments that people bring even if they are a little different than our own. I was probably guilty myself, of assuming that people who said certain inflammatory statements were trolls trying to discredit the site (in my defense, I have it on pretty good authority this in fact was going on, at least a little over a year ago).
And you are right, we are more combative than the average person, or we wouldn’t be here.
@Vlad Writes: Vlad, thanks for the insights, I honestly agree with them. As I have written before, I’m a wayward Catholic. I spent my youth in a Jesuit Catholic school, St. Vincents. The Jesuits are the “street smart” Cahtholics you might say. I have never mocked Jason, or anyone else here really, because I like an open forum, enemies as well as friends. Theoretically, it’s the only way to stay objective and clear up our thinking.
But back to one of your points concerning those that mock Christianity and its many extensions, Statues, Christmas trees, cruxifixes, the church buildings,etc. Now many so-called Christians or those whos family history is one of Christianity, would disagree with me on whether a Christmas tree is part of Christianity, as well as other things like wearing a chain around your neck with images of a saint, like Saint Christopher,etc.
To my way of thinking these Americans, and it’s whites that are the most guilty, miss the point. I don’t knock anything associated with Christianity, for the simple reason that it’s part of my heritage. It’s part of my families history going way back. So when Jewish people, or athiests, or those on the left, mock things like a Christmas tree or any other Christian symbol, I get offended even though I’m not a “good” Catholic.
What I’m saying here is, Christians, even those that don’t practice any longer, or even people whos family history is one of Christianity, should never allow things like having a Christmas Tree placed somewhere in the U.S. be disrespected. It’s part of their history. Same goes for a nativity scene, or a cross, and the reason is simple, it’s part of their history, PERIOD!! The people who mock these things are mocking your family history.
This is the problem we now have in the U.S. We have allowed the left and others to tell us that the U.S. is not and was never a traditional(traditioin IS history) Christian nation. Really? Then I must have been living under some kind of weird delusion, my entire life. I have traveled at least one-third of the U.S. and no matter what city I’ve vistited have seen these buildings with crosses on the top of practically every street corner!!
So Americans shouldn’t worry about questions like, is a Christmas tree really Christian, or does this or that Christian go to church every Sunday, or any other argument that strengthens those who challenge our history and traditions dear to us. Consider that when they do challenge you on this, they are doing nothing less than trying to disgrace your personal history, it’s symbols and images,etc., and it doesn’t matter whether you go to church or not. That’s not the point, these same disprespectful people whether Jews, Moslems, Shiks, Buddhists,etc. probably don’t practice their religion faithfully either, yet they will defend the symbols and history of their respective religions the bitter end, won’t they? Some Americans need to seriously wake up.
@Jason Speaks:
“Why is there something rather than nothing?
Jason, even though you have said that you have a scientific view of things now, (so do I) try reading Martin Heidegger if you haven’t already. Your question has to do with the “ground of being”, which is a topic he was preoccupied with his entire life. Being the clever philosopher he was, he left questions on God alone, since he claimed they lead to the typical theological fights.
I am not American and I am not Jewish. I am Greek. I am not anti-Semitic either. Here’s why.
When Greece was invaded in 1940 by Fascist Italy, one of the first Greek officers to fall was Colonel Mordechai Fritzis. He was killed by aircraft fire while lading a charge on horseback. Around 600 other Greek Jews lost their lives in the wars against Mussolini and, later, Hitler. For me, it is dishonorable to reject any citizen group that has made the ultimate sacrifice for the nation.
So, my question to you all is this. How many Jewish-Americans died in the Vietnam War? I picked that particular war so that no one can say it was a war fought for Jewish or Israeli advantage. Await your replies.
@Vlad Writes: “If anyone can prove he is jewish, I’ll donate $1000 USD to this site.” I am breaking Lenten silence to second both this senence and your entire comment and to add that I shall kick in my own fifty bucks, which is a lot more than this sick old man can afford, should anyone successfully meet your challenge.
Furthermore, the fact that anyone would continue to howl about how dreadful Jason Speaks is after enduring patiently, even in some cases applauding, the countless ignorant, interminable, pretentious, and frequently abusive comments of Hadding Scott on the recent Lasha Darkmoon thread speaks volumes about some denizens of this site—and none of what it speaks is edifying.
Thanks for this article Kevin . This is my take on affairs . Iran is a key piece in the geopolitical strategy , apart from expanding Israel’s borders. Iran stands as a foothold for China and India which the West seeks to control through oil and division .Iran stands as a counter point to the Saudi Puppets and all the Muslim nations that the West controls through Freemasons structures . People should have a look at the International Court built in Jerusalem with 66 ft high Masonic Pyramid with an eye on top c/o the Rothschild’s family who’s plaque is on the building .
The question I think these schemers would be asking is if not now , when ? With India and Pakistan (which borders Iran) starting to hook up to Iranian gas and oil , With China rising very quickly , with the Afgan game just about over , with the loss of control of Russian and its market integration with China ( thus the virulent anti-Putin press ) the power to dictate events is slipping away . They have reached a high water mark.
My Guess Kevin , is that Obama as a puppet is not fully informed as to the real objectives and strategy . His reluctance to play the game with Libya and the furry of the establishment as seen in the MSM at the time has led those behind the scenes to cut him out of the loop . When he speaks to AIPAC ,I reckon he speaks from his ‘advisers’ mouths he doesn’t personally carry the weight of the decisions (does he look like a man troubled by damocles sword? ) . So when the world interprets his words they interpret falsely–duplicity . Obama is just another historical fabrication for identity politics of the ruling Jew/Mason structure on the road to the NWO . These people are diabolically cunning and as always the strategy is divide and rule in this case by creating false idols . I like the Martin King statue in oval office truly someone to model yourself on .
Thanks everyone for your comments. Those who are lapsed Christians or doubters might consider “The Case for Christ” by Lee Stroebel, a reporter who started out as a non believer, but worked through his doubts and wrote about it.
I and others on this site are living evidence you can believe in Christ, not be philosemitic, and can be relentlessly pro white.
I hope you all go out today and watch a jewish liberal get car jacked, and it be retribution from God who is tired of the stiff necked people who falsely claim to be God’s chosen people.
That hits the nail on the head.
@Someday:
“Iran, with or without nuclear weapons, is a thorn in Israel’s side – a strong supporter of the Palestinians”.
For a typical zionist Jew like you – yes, for others – no.
Why should we care whether Iran supports the Palestinians or not, it is not our interest. If you care so much for your Jewish ethno-state then emigrate to that country and join their army instead of trolling on WN websites.
I quoted KM’s post and expressed agreement. That makes me a ‘typical zionist Jew’ in Franklin Ryckaert’s eyes. Ryckaert is really adding value to the site with his perceptive comments.
@Ellin:
Your question should be: How many Jewish COMBAT deaths were there in Viet Nam? Having served in the infantry, I would hazard a guess as damn few. Most Jewish soldiers seem to find their way into behind-the-lines units.
There is a saying that you won’t find many atheists in foxholes, nor Jews either.
@Doug: Yes, but shouldn’t we have the data first before we comment? Personally, I’d really like to know the answer.
Zionist racist murderer Netanyahu went over the top with his Holohoax comparisons at 2012 AIPAC.
@Ellin:
“When Greece was invaded in 1940 by Fascist Italy, one of the first Greek officers to fall was Colonel Mordechai Fritzis. He was killed by aircraft fire while lading a charge on horseback. Around 600 other Greek Jews lost their lives in the wars against Mussolini and, later, Hitler. For me, it is dishonorable to reject any citizen group that has made the ultimate sacrifice for the nation. ”
You’re the Greek version of what we race-conscious Americans call “patiotards.”
Those Jews weren’t fighting for Greece, they were fighting because obviously they didn’t want to be rounded up by the Axis. Simple self-preservation. Jews are loyal only to themselves, never to the nation they inhabit.
“How many Jewish-Americans died in the Vietnam War? ”
According to Wikipedia, 30,000 Jews “served” in Vietnam…though I seriously doubt many of them saw combat. The general rule was, if you were wealthy you weren’t drafted. Jews are typically uber-wealthy so a huge percentage of them managed to avoid service.
@Ellin:
Perhaps the real name of Mr. Ellin is Evreos?
The Jews don’t have a viable state. Not enough land and water to support a growing population, and no oil or other valuable resources to give them power.
With the US economy in freefall, they need to establish their Middle East empire sooner, not later.
@Ellin:
Fascist who?
Around 600 other Greek Jews lost their lives in the wars against Mussolini and, later, Hitler
600? That’s like your own little mini-holocost. I wonder how many of them died of natural causes and not trying to escape on a horse.
@EP:
Go to Mondoweiss for an article by Philip Weiss about this event and read also the many insightful comments. You will be amazed by its frankness.
@Someday:
You have a history on this site arguing that WNs should support Israel. Furthermore you have extensively tried to “prove” that no Jewish intrigue was involved in getting the US into WW1 and WW2 (as if a person like Bernard Baruch never existed).
So the two invitations still stand. You can immediately naturalize on arrival at Ben Gurion Airport and then join the IDF , Israel’s (“most moral”) Terrorist Force. mazzel tov.
@fender: Ok, what about the many thousands of German Jews who died fighting for Germany in WW1? Many of them were holders of the Iron Cross – with Oak Leaves, Crossed Swords, and Diamonds, I might add. Who were they afraid of being rounded up by?
@Franklin Ryckaert: ‘Franklin’ sounds more like an ‘Evreos’ to me.
@fender: Yes, the wealthy avoided the draft but 30,000 is still a big number, isn’t it? Now, do we know the number that DIED over there? It’s important isn’t it?
Franklin Ryckaert @ March 6, 2012 – 9:30 pm | Permalink
Franklin,
Your insights into the troll activity of these two persistent posters, “Jason Speaks” and “Someday”, are spot on! How many clever commentators on this site have now identified “Jason Speaks” and “Someday” as Zionist trolls? I’ve lost count. Only newcomers are taken in by their cunning sophistries.
They manage to pull the wool over the eyes of the uninitated by masquerading as keener-than-keen White Nationalists.
In doing so, they take the line that “conspiracy theories” are bad for the image of White Nationallism.
Criticizing Israel too harshly is also very bad for White Nationalism, because it will put nice people off from becoming WN recruits — like, for example, the nicer-than-nice Christian Zionists!
Saying nice things about Rachel Corrie is also, they have argued, not something good White Nationalist ought to do. That’s verboten! Jason Speaks made that clear in 120 comments on Dr Lasha Darkmoon’s article “Our Rachel”.
Rachel was no heroine, he told us us there, she was just a left-wing loser who died for a bunch of brown-skinned Arabs in a foreign country when she ought to have been in America fighting the WN cause!
If you want someone to praise and admire and put on a pedestal, Jason Speaks all but told us, why not pick someone like Anne Frank! :)
@Ellin:
Diati thelis na yperaspizis tous Evreous tosso poly? Isoos ho “Ellin” pragmatikoos ine enos ellinikos Evreos?
Yparchi sta Ellinika ena rima “trollizoo”? Na mi trollizis edoo! Den agapoume tous trellous trollous!
@ Franklin Ryckaert
“Jason Speaks” and “Someday”: are they Zionist trolls?
Here are my own findings vis-à- vis Jason Speaks and Someday:
(1) It has been alleged that these two are the SAME poster writing under different names. This is untrue. Their styles are quite different. I have more than enough evidence to prove that these are two entirely separate individuals.
(2) They invariably echo each other’s posts and take the same line on almost everything. When one of them says something, the other chips in with “Brilliant! Great post!” They are a mutually supportive duo operating as a team. Maybe they know each other and belong to the same social club? Maybe the ADL pays them $50-10 bucks per post! Anything’s possible.
(3) “Jason Speaks” has repeatedly said he is not a Jew. He may well be telling the truth. I’m inclined to believe him…partly because of the passionate sincerity of his tone. You don’t have to be a Jew to be MORE Jewish than a Jew. Consider John Bolton and Hillary Clinton.
(4) Both the above posters have made a habit of attacking Dr Lasha Darkmoon and accused her of polluting the clean waters of the Occidental Observer with her “Rense like conspiracy theories”.
Way back in time, I remember there was an article by Darkmoon on 9/11 in which she argued that the official view of 9/11 was rubbish, and that there was no way Osama bin Laden and his nineteen Arabs armed with box cutters could have been responsibe for this event. She stopped short of saying the Jews did it. All she said was: the Arabs DIDN’T!
Predictably, there were loud protests from both “Jason Speaks” and “Someday” when this article appeared. Both were to claim, absurdly, that to publish artiles like this on TOO was to damage the credibility of the White Nationalist cause.
It was on this occasion that I caught out “Someday” in a glaring contradiction. This convinced me that Someday was a Zionist troll.
He made the bizarre assertion that Mossad just didn’t have the intellectual resources and the expertise to carry out such a complex operation as 9-11. No, this event had all the hallmarks of Arab terrorism and the sly cunning of Al Qaeda!
Yet in OTHER posts (too numerous to mention) Someday was to make it clear that he thought the Jewish IQ was far greater than the Arab IQ.
Here, then, is Someday’s glaring contradiction which proves his Zionist troll status:
A people with an average IQ of 115 (Ashkenazi Jews) were too dumb to mastermind 9-11, but a people with an average IQ of roughly 83 (the Arabs) were smart enough to do so.
We have to admit that we wouldn’t have to listen to all this Jewish hysteria about Iran, if it weren’t for Ahmadinejads idiotic statements about “wiping Israel off the map”.
Those are the kinds of plans you do not talk about in public.
Especially not in such an idiotic way.
I mean, is he really that stupid???
And way the f…c does Ahmadinejad (a Persian Shi’a) care about Palestinians, Arab Sunnis who hate their guts.
Couldn’t he just stay out of the inter-Semitic Jewish-Arab conflict? It is Semite-on-Semite violence, after all.
@Anty Ep: You could not be more wrong in your assessment of the evil that lurks inside the demonic heads of the Israelis, both inside their stolen piece of real estate and those who are poisoning the USA with their presence.
News Flash: According to Mark Gaffney’s January 7th article on Veterans Today titled: “Behind the Deepening Crisis with Iran: the Real Story Versus the Cover Story”, Iran has GPS precision guided conventional missile capabilities – which gives them the ability, if attacked, to deliver as many missiles as necessary right to the doorstep of the Israeli Dimona Nuclear Power facility. In short, the nukes that these thieving, conniving jews stole from the USA visi vi their decades of treacherous spying and espionage against us – are now the biggest threat to Israel, because if Iran hits them with conventional missiles – the resulting release of massive amounts of radiation would render their stolen piece of real estate uninhabitable. Thus, Iran really doesn’t need a nuke – as long as they have their conventional missile deterrent. I urge you to check out Gaffney’s article – it is a good one.
In essence, this whole charade about Iran building a nuke is nothing more than another steaming pile of neo-con jewish manure. What these blood-thirsty, mass murdering, racial supremacists really want – is the total destruction of Iran’s conventional weapons and defense capabilities – but, the jews know that this argument wouldn’t sell as well to the stupid and gullible Americans, since America has a long tradition of supporting the right to self-defense by both individuals and sovereign nations. Thus, this is exactly like the lies the war criminal and mass murdering neo-cons spun about Iraq and their non-existent ‘WMDs’.
I notice, with a considerable degree of disappointment, that TOO posters have ignored my advice of a few days ago – to ignore this ‘Jason’ fellow, and are still allowing this guy to hijack the commentary on TOO and make himself, instead of the critical issues that need to be discussed, the ‘center’ of everyone’s attention.
I have to ask: Does the White race want to survive, or is it too dumb and too easily distracted by our enemy’s diversionary tactics to win this battle, which happens to be for all the marbles, people?
@Floda:
Pitchforks? Are we talking Transylvania of count Dracula times?
@Ellin:
re: German Jews decorated for with the Iron Cross for WW1 combat gallantry,
1. “Oak Leaves, Crossed Swords, and Diamonds” were added only during WW2 when Germany introduced the href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Cross_of_the_Iron_Cross”>Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross.
2. Before WW2 there was Iron Cross, 2nd or 1st class, without swords, diamonds, or a bar of gold attached.
3. Jews decorated with Iron Cross, 1rs class, were exempt from the Nuremberg Laws. Obviously, with spouse and children.
Don’t get carried away.
@GREZCM: You didn’t actually answer my point did you?
@Franklin Ryckaert: Ta ellinika sou theloun akoma doulia mounopano.
First off, let me say that I admire the rigor and scholarship of Dr MacDonald and I believe he has proved his case overwhelmingly as to the precise nature of the evolutionary strategy adopted by Jews for their advancement. This site, it seems to me, is an attempt to go one step further and answer the question ‘What are we going to do about it?’ In my view, the answer is ‘not much’ and here’s why.
‘New elite’ or not, Jewish Americans are registering a tremendously high output in many fields: banking and finance; retail; scientific research (Nobel prizes by the dozen); a globally dominant film industry; globally dominant media organizations and much more. Of course, Dr MacDonald does not approve of the WAY these sectors are run even if they are successful. He wishes to return these fields of activity to Americans of European descent so that they can be run ‘properly’.
Join me in a thought experiment. Suppose we had a magic wand that would do just that. No more Jews in any of the fields I listed above – not a single one. Does anybody here seriously believe that ‘Whites’ could just take over and keep them going at the same level of success? Wall Street? Food retail? Hollywood? The garment industry? University math and physics departments? Surely even the most crazed White Supremacist on this thread cannot seriously believe that.
No gentlemen, the Jews are the new elite because they are good at what they do. And you don’t even come close any more. Are they a self-serving and hostile elite? Of course they are. That is the nature of elites. Look at your record when you had the whip hand: blacks at the back of the bus; no Jews in the country club; internment of Japanese during WW2. Pretty harsh, wouldn’t you say?
A final word on the ‘tone’ of many of the postings on this site. When the Jews were ‘locked out’ by you, they did not sit around all day bemoaning their fate and crying into their soup (as you do) about how ‘unfair’ it all is. They worked. They tried this and that, and – if it didn’t work – they tried something else. Eventually, through persistence and ingenuity, they breached the walls and caused a rout. You’re on the run now because you haven’t got what it takes. Simple as that. Just my opinion, of course.
I think it takes a certain chutzpah to suppose that Hollywood (cultural degradation, anti-White, anti-Christian messages) or Wall St. (given the current financial crisis that couldn’t have happened without collusion by the big investment banks) could not be better run, and I see no reason why non-Jews couldn’t run these institutions. Jews ran the economies of Eastern Europe for decades in the 19th and 20th centuries, but they remained economic and technological backwaters. And in areas like math or physics, does anyone seriously suppose that any really worthwhile ideas, even if originated by Jews, would not have eventually been discovered by non-Jews? The entire scientific edifice of Western civilization was invented by non-Jews, and there are still many non-Jews on the cutting edge in all these fields. On this site we repeatedly referred to higher Jewish average IQ but also note that Jews are far overrepresented in elite institutions after controlling for IQ; and Jewish ethnic networking is legendary, resulting in Jews in elite positions far in excess of their natural aptitude. And also as noted many times here, it’s not really a problem that any particular group is an elite. All societies have elites. The problem comes when that elite is hostile to the traditional people and culture of America. That creates huge problems.
National Review reports that the Israelis have been offered military weapons as a bribe not to bomb now.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292970/obama-casually-offers-israel-goodies-bomb-iran-iafteri-election-daniel-foster
@Ellin:
re: Ellin @GREZCM: You didn’t actually answer my point did you?
I would not attempt to answer your point(s) or question(s). You are throwing them left and right in the zeal of discussion. I tried to correct a major inexactitude smuggled in in one of your many questions.
@GREZCM: You did not ‘correct an inexactitude’ – you obfuscated to avoid responding to a point that is obviously inconvenient for you. No worries.
@Ellin:
The point is he caught you in a lie. You claimed Jews earned medals in World War 1, medals that did not exist at the time. Anything else you want to add is irrelevant, as we have already established that you are a liar.
@ihatejews: With reasoning like that, do you not deserve to be Israel’s bitch?
@ethnonationalism:
You shouldn’t believe everything you read in the Jewish press. Ahmedinejad was referring to the Zionist regime, which he predicted would not survive. And I agree with that statement 100%. The Jewish state is not able to stand on its own hind legs, not without the military, economic and diplomatic support of the United States, Europe, and other powerful nations.
Aid that is not indefinite, especially considering America’s precarious economic situation.
That’s why the Jews want this war. To eliminate any opposition to their acquiring the land and resources they need to make Israel a viable state, while America is still able to fight for them.
Jason Speaks is the voice of ordinary white Americans who recognize and object to the Jewish domination and corruption of our culture, institutions and society. It seems that some here object to anyone who isn’t a hate filled sack of venom.
It might be fun to belong to a tiny group who uses this issue to regale us all with your contempt, not only for Jews, but decency, religion, apparently any normalcy at all. I would much rather deal with any silly arguments posted by Jews who wander our way, that allow the movement to be labeled by the misfits among us.
We can all indulge in masochistic revenge fantasies, congratulate ourselves on our superior, insider knowledge, (only we few understand the true threat) and hide behind a screen name to indulge in the pleasures of saying nasty things about anyone we disagree with, or we can climb out of the gutter, behave like adults, and find ways to combat the threat we face. I know which side I am on.
I thank Jason for the extraordinary patience and persistence he has shown in combating the nasty little cretins who show up on these pages far too often. Bravo Jason!
@ihatejews: Yup, you definitely need to read it. It’s called: The Perils of Masturbation Among the Already Psychotic. Give it a try – you might see an improvement.
@Alice Teller: You, of course, are not ‘a hate filled sack of venom’.
@Ellin:
Reasoning like what? GREZCM caught you in a lie. If this were a court of law, you would be charged with perjury, and your testimony would be rendered inadmissable. That is being reasonable.
Rational debate is based on facts. And the first fact we have established thus far is that you are a liar and anything you might present as facts or evidence is circumspect. If we wish to have a rational debate, it can only be without you.
@ihatejews: Just read the book I recommended to you. It’ll help. Trust me.
@Ellin:
You’re a liar. Why would anyone trust you?
@ihatejews: I know, I know – it’s always hard to read a book but just take it page by page. Actually, turning the pages will give you something else to do with your hands.
@ihatejews: What’s the matter Mr ihatejews, Is that all you’ve got? Oh, no. You’ve done it again, haven’t you? That’s why you’re tired. Read the book before it’s too late!!!
@ihatejews: @<a
re: your riposte to Ellin being caught in a lie.
Yes, false digressions must be challenged, or will be believed by some.
One more inexactitude of Ellin's: the first victim of Italy's invasion of Greece being a Jew in the rank of colonel, who led the cavalry charge against invaders. Just contemplate.
Ellin's pathetic contribution to this discussion is typical hasbara, in my opinion.
@Ellin:
“Does anybody here seriously believe that ‘Whites’ could just take over and keep them going at the same level of success? Wall Street? Food retail? Hollywood? The garment industry? University math and physics departments? Surely even the most crazed White Supremacist on this thread cannot seriously believe that.”
How do you explain the unheard-of economic, scientific, and industrial success of the Third Reich, then? If the Jews actually do elevate nations as you claim then why is it that whenever they are booted out of their seats of privilege that nations suddenly become economically prosperous and advanced? Spain, if you recall, had it’s Golden Age only when they kicked the tribe out. America as well was at its cultural height before Jewish domination. Same with Russia.
“No gentlemen, the Jews are the new elite because they are good at what they do.”
Yes, they excel at levelling. Crap art, crap education, crap economy, and the mediocre lap it all up. This is why Jewish “success” is always the death-rattle of whatever culture they inhabit. A parasite can succeed in growing strong off a host, but unfortunately when the host dies, the parasite does as well.
“Look at your record when you had the whip hand: blacks at the back of the bus; no Jews in the country club; internment of Japanese during WW2. Pretty harsh, wouldn’t you say?”
And look at what happens when the Jews have the whip-hand: mass genocide in the early Soviet Union, and oppression and starvation in Palestine. How is it at all comparable? Whites rule with benevolence compared to the Jews. You’re complaining about blacks sitting in the back of a bus…what on earth is that compared to Jewish chekists executing women and children by the tens of thousands in Russia?
“You’re on the run now because you haven’t got what it takes.”
But that’s pretty much the point; Jews get strong when Whites become weak. But Jewish power is always a bad thing, because it means a civilization is dying.
With so much bickering going on among the faithful — calling each other liars, masturbators, “Zionist trolls”, “nasty little cretins”, and “hate filled sacks of venom” — I’m not sure that such a bunch of mutual squabblers would ever be able to hack it in a White Nationalist state of their own. They’d tear each other apart before the Jews ever got to them.
@Alice Teller:
I’ve become convinced that one of the big divisions among White Advocates is that some want a message that will resonate with a large number of whites, while others want to keep it small and “hard-core” on principal. There may be a legitimate case for keeping it small but let me elaborate on the illegitimate one.
They want white advocacy and/or white nationalism to be small because they are not particularly interested in changing the culture or even saving most white people. Instead, they see it as a project to prove how “manly” they are and as a kind of social club where they can get together and share the latest ethnic slur they’ve come up with and beat their chests over how tough they are.
This is why there most likely won’t be any reconciliation between the groups. We aren’t even trying to achieve the same things. Any message that would appeal to millions of whites, would be contemptible to this brand of WN, specifically because it had such broad-based appeal. Think of a small group of little boys that run a “he-man woman haters club”. That is the mentality we are dealing with.
If WN became mainstream, they wouldn’t want anything to do with it. It wouldn’t satisfy their psychological need. So they actually resist the sane, healthy message of being pro-white and are endlessly agitating to make WN come off as hateful and bizarre. Again, think of a teenage boy that wants to shock his parents with the “scary” metal music he listens to. The last thing he wants is for society to except his subculture.
I just read the full text of the Obama speech to AIPAC on the IHR website, which links to your site.
I am an Irish-American Jew (Mom’s side), an atheist, a strong supporter of Ayn Rand’s Objectivist philosophy and Murray Rothbard’s great works in revisionist history and political economy. Have reservations about his anarchism but he in contrast to Rand was a vigorous anti-Zionist Jew and even a private ‘holocaust’ revisionist. I’m also both except my revisionism is public.
I am appalled beyond all words by the sickening, groveling,
utterly nauseating speech of Obama’s at AIPAC which even exceeds that of the GOP dunces running against him.
I feel like I need a bath after reading it.
I was supporting Ron Paul despite vigorous opposition to his anti-abortion stance and his belief in a ‘God.’ But he has caved on Israel big time too due to the malevolent influence of Walter Block and some other rightist Jews at LewRockwell.com. He started spouting utter nonsense about
the ‘Arabs’ getting much more US aid than Israel, untrue, and he was counting the US wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as US aid to ‘Arabs’ ! How stupid can one get !
I have had success posting on the Birch Society New American site on abortion, the Middle East, holocaust revisionism and other issues where they disagree with me.
They have been very fair.
The American Conservative site has been terrible with censorship and the worst one has been Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance site. They had an open policy for almost the first two months of this year but then they deleted my response to a rabid Zionist nut who called me a Nazi ! And deleted my response to some leftist ‘anti-racist’ lunatic who claimed that David Duke invented the story of the massive Soviet rapes in Berlin in 1945 !
To top it off the ‘moderator’ allowed as to how no one there
thought I was a real Jew ! Even though my Mom’s maiden name is Israel and she is Ashkenazim on both sides.
I am Jewish under Jewish and Israeli law and lived in central Tel Aviv for two years and liked it but oppose Israeli state policies.
After that I banned myself from American Renaissance.
Some chap at The Last Ditch site wrote me that he thought that Jared Taylor was honorable but I have seen no evidence of that.
My first time at your site. Some of your stuff looks interesting.
I am a lifelong San Franciscan and have a longtime boyfriend in Oakland so there is nothing about Black America I need to learn about. There are racial differences as surely as sexual ones. Carleton S. Coon, Roger Pearson, Murray & Herrnstein
and many others have written on the subject.
I still try to fairly judge every individual but we all have what Murray Rothbard used to call ‘postjudices’ based on empirical experience.
By the way I want to thank you on that great essay on the real enemies of Joe McCarthy in your sister publication.
My late Dad was a strong McCarthy supporter while Mom is a fourth generation Communist.
Some lively dinner table conversations !
Thank you for this forum.
It looks like Obama for four more years and then we will probably look like something out of Atlas Shrugged or Zimbabwe.
Changing from him to Romney would be like changing the safety pin only on the dirty diaper.
@GREZCM: You can have an opinion when you learn how to spell.
Ellin,
Jews excel in the financial industry? really? You really think the FED engages in sound operations that work in the US’ best interests (or does this jewish private bank work for jewry’s best interests?) Hasn’t their dishonesty, cheating and greed been detrimental to the US (and global) economy? Wall Street is a disaster in jewish hands. I think we can benefit by having more whites as CEOs, investors and board of directors….Thanks to ethical jews such as Summers, Greenspan and Ruben the G-S act was repealed and because of this commercial banking and investment banking merged together (the end result was the securitization of mortgages – i.e. individuals who made 40K were able to by 400,000 dollar homes (not a good thing) – these individuals couldn’t pay their mortgages thus portfolios and security prices tanked. So this, combined with the outsourcing of tech and finance jobs to India and manufacturing jobs to China (millions of jobs outsourced) led to the “Great Recession” – we all have the globalist jews to thank for this folks. I won’t get into the dreck that Hollywood jewry peddles to the public…
@fender: You have at least taken the trouble to read my submission and I give you credit for that. However, I cannot debate with you because you are a fanatic. I use the term advisedly without wishing to be rude.
A fanatic sees no virtue at all in his ‘opponents’. They are totally, irredeemably, and absolutely evil. They must be destroyed, expunged, and utterly rejected. There are no exceptions. Any attempt to say a good word about them must be slapped down immediately by any means. That, unfortunately, is what you have become.
There is a way out but I doubt if you will take it. Training in philosophy will enable you to present and analyze multiple viewpoints on an issue while being very cautious about drawing conclusions. In your current state you are probably fuming right now, seeing everything I have said as ineffective, wishy-washy, and ‘liberal crap’. Good luck to you anyway.
@Jason Speaks:
Is there any answer? You have been a model of calm and measured response, yet the assault never ends. I, as Vindex points out, have been moved to intemperate language, not something I am generally known for.
@Ellin:
No, I don’t see them as evil. I simply see them as bad for us. That’s not a moral observation, it’s an empirical one. It’s Jews who see goyim as irredeemably evil and in need of being exterminated; you saw this in action in Soviet Russia, and you see it in action in Palestine.
“Training in philosophy will enable you to present and analyze multiple viewpoints on an issue while being very cautious about drawing conclusions. ”
Please do recommend some philosophers for me. My favorites are Nietzsche, Epicurus, Aurelius, Heidegger, Evola, Russell, Seneca, Epictetus, and E.O. Wilson. Maybe Max Nordau? Or Theodore Herzl?
@fender:
I will address only one of threads within your post of
March 8, 2012 – 2:17 pm (Jews and science).
Background
Poland was one of the world’s strongest pre-WW2 centers of mathematics and logic (by far surpassing United States, by the way).
The Polish School of Mathematics was centered around Stefan Banach. The Polish School of logics was centered around Stanislaw Lesniewski.
Banach was probably the most accomplished mathematician of the inter-bellum Europe. One of his (distant) pupils was Stanislaw Ulam. Ulam, although gifted, was not able to get a teaching post of Poland’s Lemberg, thus emigrated to the U.S.. There, he got a university post. Most importantly, he would be the leading brain within the team working on the atomic bomb. He would keep a very low profile afterwards, thus being largely unknown to wider public.
Banach, although largely self taught, had skyrocketed to worldwide fame in mathematics. Tragically, towards the end of WW2, Banach was reduced to a louse feeder.
In Lemberg, the first effective vaccine against typhus was discovered by a Pole Rudof Weigl</a. During the WW2, it was considered a "good job" to be a louse feeder, because all needed a typhus vaccination, especially high officials. This way, one of the most prominent minds of 20th century has also contributed to history.
Lesniewski was the leading brains in cryptology in history. Poland's success in scientific description of the Enigma was his personal success. Earlier, he had broken into the Bolshevik secret codes, probably decisively contributing to the victory of Poland against the Bolsheviks in the Polish-Bolshevik War of 1919-20. His one and only Ph.D. pupil was Alfred Starski. Lesniewski, being engaged in sensitive activities, withdrew from academia. Starski wold emigrate to the U.S. (as Ulam would do), and would raise to prominence in his field, as the professor in Berkeley.
Both the pupil Jews never subscribed to known the narrative. Tarski spoke Polish at home until death and would not fraternize with the Judaics, neither Ulam did.
Though, the "superiorly intelligent" Jews may be known within the U.S. as possessors of super-human intellectual abilities, there are more apt peoples in the world – the Arians.
@fender:
I will address only one of threads within your post of
March 8, 2012 – 2:17 pm (Jews and science).
Background
Poland was one of the world’s strongest pre-WW2 centers of mathematics and logic (by far surpassing United States, by the way).
The Polish School of Mathematics was centered around Stefan Banach. The Polish School of logics was centered around Stanislaw Lesniewski.
Banach was probably the most accomplished mathematician of the inter-bellum Europe. One of his (distant) pupils was Stanislaw Ulam. Ulam, although gifted, was not able to get a teaching post of Poland’s Lemberg, thus emigrated to the U.S.. There, he got a university post. Most importantly, he would be the leading brain within the team working on the atomic bomb. He would keep a very low profile afterwards, thus being largely unknown to wider public.
Banach, although largely self taught, had skyrocketed to worldwide fame in mathematics. Tragically, towards the end of WW2, Banach was reduced to a louse feeder.
In Lemberg, the first effective vaccine against typhus was discovered by a Pole Rudof Weigl. During the WW2, it was considered a “good job” to be a louse feeder, because everybody needed an anthi-typhus vaccination, especially high officials. This way, one of the most prominent minds of 20th century has also contributed to history – by feeding lice!
Lesniewski was the leading brains in cryptology in history. Poland’s success in scientific description of the Enigma was his personal success. Earlier, he had broken into the Bolshevik secret codes, probably decisively contributing to the victory of Poland against the Bolsheviks in the Polish-Bolshevik War of 1919-20. His one and only Ph.D. pupil was Alfred Starski. Lesniewski, being engaged in sensitive activities, withdrew from academia. Starski would emigrate to the U.S. (as Ulam would do), and would raise to prominence in his field, as the professor in Berkeley.
Both the pupil Jews never subscribed to known the narrative. Tarski spoke Polish at home until death and would not fraternize with the Judaics, neither Ulam did.
Though, the “superiorly intelligent” Jews may be known within the U.S. as possessors of super-human intellectual abilities, there are more apt peoples in the world – the Arians.
@Ellin:
he, he
Spelling skills are the matter of form, not one of substance. I’m a Pole, living in Poland. I cant’t help my English is poor.
I don’t care what marks I get amongst strangers. If you want to debate, address the substance, not form.
Nobody is able to debate Jews – they speak all languages of the world, though never the truth. hehheheheheeheeee
Jew colonel in Greece leading cavalry against the fascist Italians, hahhahahha, 1st victim, hehehheheehe. Give me a brake.
I’m waiting for suggestions on medications, homosexuality, or any jewish b.s. aimed at silencing opponents.
Hiiilllariousss, hhahhahahhahhahahahaha
@Vindex:
You are quite right. I apologize for my intemperate language.
@Ellin:
As far as losing any positive Jewish contributions to society is concerned, let’s do this thought experiment instead:
Suppose all the Jews in the world decided they wanted to live in Israel. If a Jew made a unique discovery in the field of medicine or science, that item would be available to everyone in the world. It’s not as if Jews and non-Jews would be incapable of trading knowledge with each other. Or in business, any American can have access to fantastic German cars even though those Germans don’t live here. Or take the Japanese; they are able to share in the wealth created by non-Japanese even though they remain a very homogeneous society.
So, even if there was some unique or special wealth or knowledge created by some Jew, we would still have access to it if we felt we needed. It doesn’t require that we turn our society over to them.
Enough said…….
http://pulsemedia.org/2012/03/08/10-reasons-why-aipac-is-so-dangerous/
@ Pierre de Craon
March 7, 2012 – 6:36 am | Permalink
Pierre,
I am not sure everyone would agree with you here. Certainly not Hadding Scott and his small clique of ardent admirers. But I would like to say that I, having read those vicious and defamatory comments of Hadding Scott and wept bitterly over them, have come to the following conclusions:
1. Incensed at Lasha Darkmoon’s relative success and populist appeal, Hadding Scott has clearly been waging a personal vendetta against Lasha in an obvious attempt to drive her from this website. Having ceased to attack Lasha her on this website temporarily, possibly because he has been warned by Kevin MacDonald to stop harassing her, he nevertheless continues his vendetta on other websites. See here:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=139146#3
(2) Lasha has made it clear that she does not want this man to place ANY COMMENTS WHATEVER ON ANY OF HER FUTURE ARTICLES. This is because she regards the man as a serial abuser and systematic harasser: indeed, as no better than an internet stalker. Lasha has in turn undertaken never to post a comment on any of Hadding Scott’s articles. (She has no wish to do so anyway).
(3) Hadding Scott has just written a lengthy 2-part article. You will notice that Lasha has kept away from it. Not a single comment. A more malicious and vindictive woman would have given Hadding Scott a taste of his own medicine. She would have torn his essay apart, poured scorn over it, and abused him personally as he had abused her. Lasha did no such thing. She refrained from seeking revenge. She exercised a commendable restraint. She didn’t even read his article.
(4) It’s my own belief that Hadding Scott, being a compulsive poster, will be unable to refrain from commenting on my sister’s future articles. The same attacks will probably continue in a subtler form: little digs, malicious nitpickings, sarcasm. The mere presence of this man on any future Darkmoon thread will encourage his wolfpack to move in for the kill again. Sensing easy meat in my vulnerable sister, they will do their best to sink their venomous fangs into her again.
(5) If this ritual abuse of my sister should continue, I believe she will leave this site and take her articles elsewhere. And she will be justified in doing so. If this site is incapable of giving its writers a congenial atmosphere in which to work, it does not deserve to keep its writers. Obviously the Occidental Observer can survive without Lasha Darkmoon, but it is equally true that Lasha Darkmoon can survive without the Occidental Observer.
(6) My final word: I advise my sister to leave this site AT ONCE if this vile bunch of compulsive masturbators who have taken control over it are allowed to run amok again and treat her as their punching bag and spitting bowl.
@Jason Speaks:
Why don’t you allow Ellin to show how Jews defended European goyim from “those wicked Nazis”? Let’s allow our Ellin to elaborate on this historical event.
Ellin, please, do tell us more on the bravery of the charge led by a Jew, who was followed by his cavalry goyim men, please.
@Ellin: Ellen excuse me, but Alexander The Great, didn’t do what he did for reasons of morality or altruism. He did those things for POWER, as all tyrrants have done. In fact, he referred to himself as god, he was so drunk with power. I wouldn’t refer to him on anything except on the tactics and strategy of warfare practiced a couple thousand years ago.
@GREZCM: I completely agree with you about Poland and polish people in general. Situated where Poland is, has made it a target for so many other nations. As I said, and I am not Polish, I never could understand the second class status of Slavic people in the minds of some Europeans. They can hold their own on any subject. It’s very funny in one way, because I once read that probably 40 percent of German people have some Polish in them. No doubt, the Europeans are a mixture of tribes, each with their own temperment, and that’s the main problem. The sharp delineation of humanity is much more profound then most people imagine. I suspect it goes way beyond DNA.
@GREZCM: I wish I could ‘Give you a brake’!!!
@Bobby: @fender: Ok, you appear to have read some philosophy. But remember the saying: ‘Napoleon’s donkey also went to Moscow’.
@Bobby: And which biography of Alexander did you read that summarized his work as a ‘tyranny’? Or is that merely a personal ‘feeling’ or ‘impression’?
@Ellin: Not at all personal. He was a tyrrant, the same kind as Napoleon, Hitler, Mao, Castro, etc. ALexander thought of himself as a god after a visit to some shrine as described in the writings of Plutarch. This stuff is well-known by people that have read about him Ellin, as I thought you might have by how often you mentioned him. In fact, he claimed his father Phillip was superceeded by his father Zeus. I personally believe he was drunk with power to the point of being demonic.
@Ellin: Yes, I have read some philosophy. For what it’s worth I earned a B.A. from Cal. State Fullerton in philosophy quite a long time ago. But I don’t get what it has to do with my comments.
As a Jew I find Ellin to be unbearably obnoxious and typical of the narcissism so prevalent among Ashkenazim males, which is why my Mom gladly married out of her race. Ellin’s very language creates twenty genuine anti-Semites whenever he writes one of his nasty Chomsky style attempts at sarcasm, which is what Edward Said, the great Palestinian scholar, described as the lowest form of humor.
As far as the Ashkenazim contribution to finance and Hollywood you have got to be kidding ! Both are in the lower depths of moral turpitude and the intellectual New York-DC culture dominated by Ashkenazim is at the bottom of intellectual bankruptcy.
I salute Dr. MacDonald for responding to Ellin.
All the great Jewish dissidents from Spinoza to Trotsky to Ayn Rand to Murray Rothbard have been outcasts from the Jewish Community which has been one of relentless tribal racism. Ellin, your comments are not pro-Jewish, they are anti-Objective Reality and are not at all helpful to those of us Jews who trying to challenge dominant paradigms in our community including the pernicious Chosen People primitive tribal concept.
@Bobby: If you don’t see what it has to do with your comments, that is truly frightening. Or, maybe Plato was right that philosophical training should be reserved for the very few.
@Bobby: You are able to state in the same paragraph: ‘Not at all personal’ and ‘I personally believe’!!! How’s your Latin? Do you know what this means? ‘Semper in excretia es, solim profundum variat’.
@Marcy Fleming: Well, if Edward Said said it, it must be true! No, seriously, let me just comment on a few of the things you say.
What on earth makes you think I am an Ashkenazi Jew? I am a Greek living in Greece who simply values the contribution made by Greeks of the Jewish faith to our common fatherland. I am proud of the fact that – although an estimated 60,000 to 70,000 Greek Jews perished during the Holocaust – 10,000 survived, largely due to the Greek people’s refusal to cooperate with German plans for deportations.
The head of the Church of Greece, Archbishop Damaskinos, spearheaded a direct appeal to the Germans, in the form of a letter composed by the famous Greek poet Angelos Sikelianos and signed by prominent Greek citizens, in defense of the Jews who were being persecuted.
The letter incited the rage of the Nazi general Stroop, who threatened the Archbishop with death by a firing squad. Damaskinos’ response was, ”Greek religious leaders are not shot, they are hanged. I request that you respect this custom.” The simple courage of the religious leader’s reply caught the Nazi commander off guard, and his life was spared.
The appeal of the Archbishop and his fellow Greeks is unique. There is no similar document of protest of the Nazis during World War II that has come to light in any other European country. Here it is. Enjoy.
”The Greek Orthodox Church and the Academic World of Greek People Protest against the Persecution… The Greek people were… deeply grieved to learn that the German Occupation Authorities have already started to put into effect a program of gradual deportation of the Greek Jewish community… and that the first groups of deportees are already on their way to Poland…”
”According to the terms of the armistice, all Greek citizens, without distinction of race or religion, were to be treated equally by the Occupation Authorities. The Greek Jews have proven themselves… valuable contributors to the economic growth of the country [and] law-abiding citizens who fully understand their duties as Greeks. They have made sacrifices for the Greek country, and were always on the front lines of the struggle of the Greek nation to defend its inalienable historical rights…”
”In our national consciousness, all the children of Mother Greece are an inseparable unity: they are equal members of the national body irrespective of religion… Our holy religion condemns any attempt to discriminate or create racial or religious differences. Our common fate both in days of glory and in periods of national misfortune forged inseparable bonds between all Greek citizens, without exemption, irrespective of race…”
”Today we are… deeply concerned with the fate of 60,000 of our fellow citizens who are Jews… we have lived together in both slavery and freedom, and we have come to appreciate their feelings, their brotherly attitude, their economic activity, and most important, their indefectible patriotism…”
My heart swells with pride when I read that. Readers on this site consistently portray Jewish people as selfish egotists indifferent to anyone but their own kind. You are wrong. In 1952, following the huge earthquake on the island of Zakynthos, the first relief ship to arrive was from Israel. The accompanying letter said: ‘The Jews of Zakynthos have never forgotten what THEIR Archbishop did for them’.
You are probably going to ignore all this and just carry on calling me a Jew, a member of the ‘tribe’, a false flag interloper, bla bla, bla. Whatever.
@ Dr MacDonald
As I have said in another of my submissions, I admire – and am persuaded by – the rigor of your arguments regarding the ‘how’ of Jewish ascendancy in America. However, your forays into the real world of ‘what shall we do about it’ – and the ilk of your supporters on this site – leave me less than enthused.
The ease with which you say ‘Wall Street? Yeah, we can do that. No problem’ reminds me of those scenes in the movies where a passenger (guided by ground control, of course) manages to successfully land a huge jet airliner in distress. Only in the movies, Dr MacDonald!
The Jews are at the peak of their game because they’ve been running the show for some time now. It is no easy matter to dismantle all that and then to run it differently. You also say that, in the long-term, Jewish scientific discoveries would undoubtedly be made by non-Jews anyway. That may be so, but remember Keynes view of ‘long-term’ solutions – ‘In the long-term, we are all dead’. Just a few thoughts.
@Ellin:
i am sincerely confused by your argument. Wall Street existed and thrived long before there was a predominant Jewish presence. Beyond that, it’s not clear that most of the activities “Wall Street” is involved in today are even beneficial. Germany, Japan, and many other nations have thriving economies without a Jewish dominated Wall Street.
So two things: 1. We had a Wall Street already that did at least as good a job of allocating capital and taking risk before Jews came to dominate it here in the US. 2. Most of the activity Jews on Wall Street engage in today appear to be detrimental to the economy.
@Jason Speaks: Ok, you’re right. I haven’t really stated my position clearly. Yes, you did once upon a time run Wall St successfully. However, you have been off the pitch and on the benches for a long time now. You are out-of-shape and out-of-practice. To use another sporting analogy, look what happened when Michael Schumacher made a ‘return’ to Formula One 2 years ago. He is nowhere. And we’re talking about probably the greatest driver in the history of the sport. Things have just moved on. I just don’t believe you can do it anymore.
As to Jewish economic activity being detrimental, I am open to persuasion but I am also highly skeptical. The reason is that I know how the media works! A statement such as ‘Maddoff in greatest Ponzi scheme ever’ is always going to make the front pages. Something like this, never will: ‘Today in America, there were 2.34 million financial transactions across all categories (loans, mortgages, insurance etc) mostly brokered by Jews and they went through without a hitch’. Do you not agree?
@Ellin:
No, I don’t agree – I don’t think you really do either. Let’s face it, there is a reason why Israel is not the financial capital of the world. It’s still going to be NYC or London or maybe China in the future, but never Israel.
@Jason Speaks: I assume you mean because the Jews are untrustworthy. But you sidestepped my point. Do you believe that the millions of ordinary financial transactions that take place every day in America – and are mainly brokered by Jews – are crooked?
@Ellin:
The implication here for your readers misunderstanding is that anti-Semitism is the result of Jewish intellect. Historically it has been as a result of resource competition, belief in a moral and intellectual superiority and a fierce policy of non assimilation with the host countries which initially offered them admittance with friendliness. Anti-Semitism is not in any way a mental illness.
Western Civilization is a European-white accomplishment and Judaism has always been an appendage. Not the other way around.
We are a better world today because Western Civilization took the road to Athens over the road to Jerusalem.
As long as we’re playing with racism and stereotypes, where do Jews rank in the greed and power scale? Or the bad landlord scale? Or the cause of social inequality, war and exploitation of lesser people scale?
Peace.
Michael Santomauro
ReporterNoteboook@gmail.com
@Bobby:
re: Bobby wrote on March 8, 2012 – 9:00 pm (on Poles)
I couldn’t agree more.
1. We, the Poles, are neither superior nor inferior comparing to other nations. We also have our vices, which is nothing unusual.
2. It is a sad legacy, that Poland was off the map in 19th century, when contemporary history was written. Our occupants saw to it, that we were portrayed as backward chauvinists, irrationals, day-dreamers, inept lunatics indeed. Such narratives affect even the present-day thinking.
@Ellin:
I wasn’t thinking anything about Jewish trustworthiness to be honest, however perhaps the ethnic trait of low trust (that is not extending much trust towards others) is one of the reasons why Israel is not and never will be the financial center of the world. However, I’m just noting that it is true that Jews, despite the unique financial skill you seem to assign them, have never and will never build their own financial capital on their own – rather, it is always inside another highly successful country that already has a world class financial system.
As to the millions of brokered deals every day, I have no idea what percentage of them are actually done by Jews. Secondly, there are many factors that contribute to honesty in economic activity in a country. One very important factor is a trustworthy legal system. We also have a high degree of transparency in our financial institutions (although that varies as the most recent meltdown shows). The bottom line is, the dominant culture of the US has been honest and in accordance with English common law. None of that was a function of Jews. And yes to anticipate, Jews do participate in the legal system, but again it was already a world-class trustworthy structure before they arrived.
You seem to be insinuating that the only reason a person would doubt the supposedly “unique” and “irreplaceable” Jewish acumen in finance is due to some lowbrow bigotry. This is absolutely not true. And at least in my case, my concern with Jewish influence is not related to any of their honest success in capitalism or banking, rather it is all the social/political/cultural damage that Jewish activists habitually promote in every culture that hosts them. Of course, that has a relation to Jewish wealth because wealthy Jewish donors often support the activities of their destructive kin. And, of course, sometimes they are one and the same person.
@Ellin:
You don’t think Europeans are capable anymore of doing their own finances. This is the same people that produced the Enlightenment, the scientific and industrial revolutions, modern economics, modern medicine, catologued the flora and fauna of the world, explained the existence of life, produced 95%+ of noteworthy inventions and discoveries, classical music every important musical instrument, more theatre and classical novels than the the rest of the world put togetehr several times over, more quality and volume of art, etc, etc.
But we can’t do our own finance.
The story for you is this. Take the Americans. Your people were welcomed into America and given free reign to scale the heights. Just imagine that properly by visualizing you advocating Israel invite Dutch to come and settle and have a free hand to dominate the economy. It was an outstretched hand of such remarkable generositiy and good faith.
And how did you people repay this? By advocating and using that power to implement…their dispossession.
You seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee. Your people have committed a terrible crime agains the American people.
@Ellin:
“You also say that, in the long-term, Jewish scientific discoveries would undoubtedly be made by non-Jews anyway. That may be so, but remember Keynes view of ‘long-term’ solutions – ‘In the long-term, we are all dead’. Just a few thoughts.”
Ashkenazi Jews have contributed extremely well in the ranks of the sciences during the 20th century. But even at the level of contributing in the ranks, the other 3/4 of inventions – including almost all the really key stuff – was produced by Europeans.
But work in the ranks is just one level of the European accomplishment, and not even in the most profound.
Europeans invented science and made it a reality with a society, and at the level of peoples, that is an imcomparable accomplishment. It cannot be compared because there is nothing for it to be compared with.
@Ellin:
“However, I cannot debate with you because you are a fanatic. I use the term advisedly without wishing to be rude. ”
Translation: Ellin’s theory has been decisively contradicted and Ellin has no answer, so Ellin rationalizes the messenger can be blamed for Ellins inability to answer.
But what was fanatical in what Fender said, that Ellin had not matched in his/her summing up of the European people? Ellin dismissed the European governance as racist and without much value. Fender dismissed the Jewish rise to governance as the result of a malign ‘levelling’ strategy. Ellin thinks it’s ok to make grossly mean generalizations about European People, but that it is fanatical when the same is done about the jewish People.
What is saddening is that the the past 50 years really was an opportunity for healing and building of bonds and respect between the European and Jewish peoples. Instead the time has been used to attempt the destruction and disposession of the European people, mainly from mass third world immigration (I wonder what Ellin thinks of the Somalis in Tel Aviv?)
@Mickey Meadows: First off, I am not Jewish – not that it matters to the debate but thinking that seems to ‘power you up’ much better. Second, I would just point out that neither of the two players – Jews and Whites – are as monolithically united as seems to be necessary in your hypothesis. Do you know the difference between a ‘type’ and a ‘group’? If not, I can explain.
@Michael Santomauro: Just one point. You will please allow me, as a Greek, to decide whether ‘Western Civilization’ is ‘a European-white accomplishment’.
Our view is that we are a ‘brotherless’ people (in Greek, ‘anadelphos laos’). We do not belong to any ‘people category’ such as White, for example. We also believe that there are two more ‘brotherless’ peoples: the Jews and the Gypsies. Just for your information.
@Ellin:
What a ridiculous idea : anadelfos laos. What do you mean with that : unique, unrelated, undefinable? How about the Albanians, are they not also unrelated? You can find such peoples all over the world, the Caucasus for example is full of them. There is nothing especially unique in Greek uniqueness. This idea must be part of your overblown chauvinism. You already have said that Greek civilization is the ONLY CIVILIZATION in the world (a patent absurdity), now you say Greeks cannot be categorized with the rest of humanity. If you go on with this you might very well become an afilos laos, a people without friends.
More on the Stefan Banach
There is an anecdote from Banach’s life. As a child, he had asked a priest teaching religion, whether the Almighty God is able to create a ball so heavy, that He Himself is not able to lift it. There is no record on the cornered priest’s answer.
Banach was born out of wedlock. In those times, it was a curse. Nevertheless, he graduated a gymnasium. In immediate aftermath of WW1, he attended the open (available also to non-students) lectures on mathematics at the Jagiellonian University, in Krakow.
One day, the university professor in mathematicsHugo Steinhaus, strolling along the city park, overheard a knowledgeable discussion between two young men, one of which was Banach. The professor politely inquired on what is the subject of the discussion, was explained, and participated. During the conversation, the professor recognized Banach’s genius. Shortly, Banach would be awarded a post in the Lemberg Polytechnic Institute, solely on the Steinhaus’ letter of recommendation. Banach had no formal higher education degree at that time, but within three years, he would achieve the professorial chair.
Steinhaus’ famous pronouncement was, that his major contribution to science was Stefan Banach. I will not disagree.
@Franklin Ryckaert: Yes, glad to see you’ve grasped the concept. Unique, unrelated, and probably not of this world. Geneticists refer to our blood as ‘Ichor’. As for the Caucasus, are you sure you can find that on a map? Mounopano.
@Jason Speaks: Ok, thanks for that. I wonder if you wouldn’t mind answering another query that I have. I ask because I’m trying to understand your position better.
The question is this. Is there only one kind of Jew? That is, the type that you seem to refer to exclusively: the underminer, the destroyer, the corrupter, the conspirator? Also, if there are other kinds, what is the ratio of the latter to the former? Thanks.
@Ellin:
I hope it is not that “ichor” in your veins that urges you to use vulgar invectives all the time. If you want to depict your people as “civilized” (even as the ONLY civilized people in the world) then you are a very bad ambassador. My experience with Greeks however was better than with you, you are fortunately not representative of them.
A certain amount of ethnocentrism is quite normal for all peoples, but absurdly exaggerated ethnocentrism is pathetic.
I am interested to know whether those “geneticists” who have found that Greeks don’t have normal blood but ichor running through their veins reside in the same mental institution as you.
Yassou
@Franklin Ryckaert: poustrako eeee poustrako. ton perneis xoris salio mounopano.
@Mickey Meadows: Will you please stop co-opting us into your arbitrary categories. GREEKS invented science and we are not ‘Europeans’. We did not come from anywhere. We have always been here. We do not favor any group above others. Euclid’s geometry and Archimedes hydrostatics are just as valid in Tokyo as they are in New York. Greeks do what Greeks do. Leave us out of it!
Unless I receive any particularly provocative replies to this post, I intend to make it my final contribution on this site. I thank you for your hospitality but I respect the fact that this is primarily a place for ‘Whites’ to exchange views and, therefore, as a Greek, I have overstayed my welcome. My final piece is dedicated to predicting what I think is the future for Whites in America.
You are justified in looking back at the 19th and early 20th centuries as a period to be proud of. Founded on the magnificent Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution you were in every sense the worthy standard-bearers of the ideals first forged in Athens 2500 years ago. Your achievements were also considerable and of the highest order in pushing forward the business of human progress. Although a rather loose definition, it is acceptable to refer to the agents of change in that period as Whites.
However, it has been your misfortune to have been challenged for the keys to the kingdom by an adversary, the Jews, who have been honing their skills in state capture over two millennia. If there is one thing that amazes me on this site it is how cavalierly you seem to treat that fact. The industry and will that they bring to bear in their collective assault is unmatched and unmatchable by you or any other group. They have overwhelmed you. Period.
Hence, I liken your future to that of the British aristocracy in England. They haven’t actually been abolished. They are allowed to linger on, nursing their dreams of better days past (‘Yes milord, no milord’). Among themselves, oblivious to the radically-changed landscape, they still believe that ‘they do it best’. Let them. Why not?
@Ellin:
Greeks are the root of science of philosophy, but sorry Ellin, Greeks didn’t invent modern science, or have that much to do with its invention either.
From what you say above, you seem to here with all your unreconstructed national mythologies and vanities. Greek Civilization was very important..the cradle of the West. But it happened a long time ago Ellin and the Greeks have done almost nothing of interest since that time.
Greece has had nothing to do with the modern accomplishment of Western Civilization. What a silly vanity.
Why are you here on this site. Apart from your silly vanities about the [totally unnoteworthy in modern times] Greeks, you seem to be selling some prejudices directed at Europeans and Europeans alone, that parrots the zietgeist that you have been immersed in, and represents views that could be got absolutely anywhere from almost anyone. And this is interesting for us?
@Ellin:
Yes Ellin, perhaps American Whites will join the Greeks in having nothing but the accomplishments of what was a genetically different people thousands of years ago. Perhaps every people goes the dismal way of the Greeks.
But there is one big difference. We are down but not out at this stage, and so excuse us if we see a value in ourselves and want to survive and prosper another day.
There is no hope for your people because you’ve massively intermarried and the genius that was once there has now gone forever. So you run along and get old sitting in cafes drinking oily black coffee and liquer, gorging out on how once long ago some people called the Greeks did amazing things, and deserved more for their accomplishments than the dismal descendents they got
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@Ellin:
You are as much a mixture of various peoples who invaded your country (both in history and prehistory) as any other people in the world. Perhaps even more so, since your region has always been a “bridge” for migrations from Turkey into the Balkan.
Your exaggerated, isolationist ethnocentrism is assuming pathological forms.
Mostly this is an indication not of an healthy “etnic pride” but of a serious inferiority complex.
Yassou
(I keep it civilized. Can you too? Or are you a Greek barbarian?
@Mickey Meadows: Your spelling matches your IQ. It is not ‘zietgeist’ but ‘zeitgeist’. Stick to monosyllabic grunts as befits your ideas on just about everything.
@Franklin Ryckaert: kako prama nasai poustis. mounopano eee mounopano. ton perneis agria kai vongas poustrako.
@Ellin:
Ellin – I’ll let you have the last word. You probably need it.
@Franklin Ryckaert: And a special goodbye to you ‘Franklin’: tis manas sou to mouni kolopouste. klase na vgei i kapota. mounopano eeeeeeee mounopano. gamiesai kai saresei poustrakoooooo.
@Mickey Meadows: Thanks. Now piss off.
@Ellin:
There you have what remains of the glory that was Greece.
@Alice Teller: Change your name White Woman – ‘Alice’ (‘Aliki’) is a Greek name. Change it to Sarah or Rebecca or Ruth. That will, I’m sure, give you some sort of ‘in’. If not, you could try 30 standing ovations! Yeah, White Pride!!!
Exit our psychiatric patient from Greece. It was a short pleasure. He will sit on his terrace and drink his ouzo, musing how his own people is the only one that has created a civilization, is related to none and has in stead of blood ichor* running through its veins. Well, let him.
*ichor According to Greek mythology a fluid that runs through the veins of the gods (!).
Obama’s a Jewish tool and will do what his handlers tell him to do. But Jewish influence is not absolute. And Obama’s failure to invade Iran has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the realization that saying no to the Jewish Lobby is an idea whose time has come.
Israel gambled big with this war in the Middle East. They wanted to go from being America’s special little friend in the Middle East, to being the tail that wags the dog.
Even that arrogant S.O.B. Benjamin Netanyahu, who once bragged about the Jews ability to influence America, had to lower himself to playing the holohoax card, in a last-ditch effort to shame America into supporting the suffering Jews one more time.
The Jews have over-played their hand. The Anglo-American elite, what remains of it anyway, has begun to realize that this war is not working out as they might have hoped. What was supposed to be a simple colonial war to put Iraq back on the US dollar, has turned into a fiasco. And right now, America’s best course of action is to cut bait and leave.
That leaves Israel in a dilemna. For starters, they don’t have enough land to form a viable state. Israel has always relied on America for support. The only way Israel could survive without America, is by securing control of the region’s wealth and power. A project that would require eliminating Iran as a regional rival, something they can’t do without America’s help.
So the Jews made a gamble. They bet all of the support they get from America, on a war they hoped would end with Israel taking control of the same oil fields that America hoped to secure. And they lost.
It’s also important to remember that the intelligence community was against the Iraq War from the start. George Bush had to resort to a number of dirty tricks to have his war with Iraq, and it wouldn’t have happened without 9/11, and massive propaganda from the Jewish media.
Now we are talking about invading a country that IS very dangerous. And the possibility of Russia and China getting involved. While the CIA may have been content to let Bush invade a country that was hardly a threat to anyone, I suspect the intelligence community is taking a more forceful tone with Obama on the issue of Iran.
Ellin, there was no ‘holocaust’ of the Jews in WW2. There were several million German and Japanese civilians that were incinerated alive in a great conflagration (the definition of holocaust) directly by the US-UK civilian saturation bombing. Nor did the Germans make any serious attempt to deport the Jews of Greece.
The ‘holocaust’ figures for Jews are exaggerated by a factor of from six to ten.
Either around 600,000 or one million Jews died of all causes in Nazi-Occupied Europe during WW2. Most in the last 18 months of the war from typhus and other diseases.
Again mostly caused by Allied bombing.
That was a real crime and tragedy but has nothing to do with Shoah Business racket. I’m not at all pro-German but it’s time the Good War lying.
Debating The Holocaust by Thomas Dalton, Ph.D is the best introduction and overall review of this subject.
NOR are the modern Greeks any relation to the ancient Greeks.
Dean Acheson, the former pro-Communist of the Roosevelt-Truman era turned neo-con by the late 60s testified before the leftist Senator Fulbright’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1967 on the alleged ‘tragedy’ of the rightist coup in Greece and all the bull about the loss of ‘democracy’ in Greece. Acheson testified that the modern Greeks bear no more relationship to the ancient Greeks than the modern inhabitants of Flatbush (Brooklyn) bear to the ancient
(Indian) inhabitants of Flatbush. I’ve been to Greece and I saw how little of the ancient Hellenic culture inheres in the present inhabitants. The ancient Greeks were much more of a Germanic race.In fact the current leftist Greeks are trying to get the Germans to bail them out yet again.
I merely observed Edward Said’s correct remarks about sarcasm as a very low form of humor. I didn’t say it was true
BECAUSE he said it. And it is a standard male Ashkenazim tactic. Chomsky is a splendid example.
Michael Santomauro, Jason and others have eloquently disposed of your premises so I am saved the trouble.
I hope you make good on your promise to go because your nasty tone contributes nothing to this forum.
The current Jewish power establishment is not invincible, the very demographics are working against it and many of us Jews are opposed to it. Actually in Israel there’s more freedom of discussion on this subject than here.
The eclipse of any Empire starts at the very height of their power. As the not so holy Bible put it, Pride Goeth Before The Fall. As in physics every action breeds a reaction. Ancient Greece went, Rome went, the UK empire went, the Soviet empire and as Pat Buchanan noted the American empire is now starting to go.
The disappearance of modern Greece won’t even be noticed in the grand scheme of things. Israel is more Hellenic than Greece today which is on a level with Serbia and far inferior to modern Turkey.
@ihatejews:
Good post
I live in a Jewish neighborhood and work in a Jewish industry. My sister just visited for a week. She lives 1,500 miles away in another Jewish neighborhood.
We talk about Jews when we get together. We concluded that Jews are still worshipping Obama and will vote for him.
Jews totally own the Democrats. The Democrats are the majority party. With hispanic immigration the Republicans will soon be an irrevelant minority party like Peace and Freedom. The hispanics and blacks are docile and will vote exactly as their Jewish masters decree.
The Jews will never stop voting for and funding Democrats whoever they are because Jews own the majority party in this country, the Democrats.
Articles like this are just to frighten Democrats into toeing the latest Jewish line.
“And surely there are quite a few people in the US defense/intelligence establishment who remember the intelligence reports cooked up by Israel-firsters like Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and Abraham Shulsky in the Office of Special Plans in the Defense Department.”
We must be the only country in the world that allows men who have never been in the military, ROTC, or Boy Scouts and don’t know one end of a pistol from the other to be in charge of its military.
At this point we are so weak and impotent that I think Jamaica could invade us and we would surrender.
I read tis site regularly and only once in a while do I comment. I noticed that this comment thread has become the ‘Ellin Degenerates’ thread :)
sheeesh, some people love to fight with words with strangers. what a waste of time and energy….especially with such a greek jewish egotist.
@Ellin:
Don’t leave Ellin! Us terbaccer chewin redneck hillbilly racists need your superior moral wisdom…..and comic relief.
Seriously, send your big brother, we’ll kick his *** too.
@Henry Baxley:
I apologize to Ellin and all on this thread for my juvenile outburst in the above post.
GREZCM
Poles and Germans who are part slavic no matter how much they deny it have the highest average IQs in the world, 106 and 107, even higher than the asians.
I have always thought that the so called high average IQ of the European jews was due to the fact that so many were from Germany, Poland and Russia and interbred.
@Winterlight:
Thank you for your insightfull comments. It is indeed ridiculous to assert that the Mossad was too stupid to pull off 9/11 while the Arabs were not. A similar ridiculous argument you often hear is that 9/11 was too complicated to be an inside job, as if it wouldn’t be even more complicated for outsiders.
Someday is not too bright, while Jason is really smart, though sometimes he makes mistakes. In his denial he said…”I am not Jewish and I don’t work for the Israelis”. As I said Jews prefer the term Jewish instead of Jew as they see that as more respectful. A Gentile wouldn’t care. Also Jews think in terms of ethnic groups while Gentiles think in terms of nations. Thus a Gentile would say : “I am not a Jew and I don’t work for Israel”, while a Jew would say : “I am not Jewish and I don’t work for the Israelis”, and that is exactly what Jason said.
Now about 9/11. It is clear why it is so important for Jews to divert attention from Jewish involvement in it. If the American public and the rest of the world would realize that Israel was behind 9/11 then Israel and not the Arabs would be seen as the greatest terrorist threat. For Americans that would mean that Israel is not their “best friend and ally” but its greatest ennemy. Further discovery of involvement of American Jews in critical positions would make them realize that their whole government from top to bottom is infiltrated by treasonous Jews. That would mean the beginning of the end of Jewish power in the US and the world.
Jason’s tactic vis a vis the 9/11 truth movement is two-fold : 1) ridicule, 2) specious reasoning.
1) Jason ridicules every theory other than the official story as a “crazy conspiracy theory” a la Jeff Rense, Alex Jones or even David Icke with his “reptilians”.
2) As a specious reasoning he says that if the government was so wicked to do 9/11 then why was it also not so wicked to plant WMD in Iraq to “prove” their cause for the war? They didn’t plant those weapons therefore they didn’t do 9/11. Sounds plausible but only if you ignore numerous facts on the ground that contradict the official story. Jason however ignores those facts and sticks to his specious reasoning and that is typically Jewish. If you ever have interacted with Jews you know that this is the way they debate : cunning hairsplitting while ignoring the facts. Jews have a name for that, they call it “pilpul” a term form their Talmud (literal meaning : “pepper”) by which they indicate a form of reasoning used to reconcile apparent contradictions. In the English language this term has been naturalized with the meaning of “casuistic hairsplitting”. You see Jason using pilpul and that betrays him as a Jew.
As you might have noticed, after he became exposed for what he is, he was silent for a time. He is back now uttering his usual “concern” for the prospect of mainstreaming WN if some people with “childish behaviour” (that is us) continue…(see on this thread : Jason Speaks, march 8, 2012 – 3.20 pm, @ Alice Teller). Enjoy.
@ Frankilin Ryckaert.
Your last comment “spot on” as the Irish say. enjoy.
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@Ellin: Common, Ellin. I gave you the known facts on the studies of Alexander in the first part of my comment. The last sentence was simply my personal opinion on those studies.
@Bobby: Bobby, I asked you earlier if you understood the Latin saying: ‘Semper in excretia es, solim profundum variat’. You haven’t replied, so I assume the answer is ‘no’ and you’re too proud to ask. It means ‘You are always in the sh**, only the depth varies’.
In my view, a wonderful summary of all the postings on this site too. Now, please just let me go.
Here’s something interesting. Standard Jew tactics.
During their meeting earlier this week in Washington, Barack Obama promised Benjamin Netanyahu the latest deep-penetration arms from the US arsenal as well as airborne tankers to refuel strike jets necessary for an Israeli attack on Iran. In return, Israel will agree to not take any action until after the upcoming US presidential elections in November 2012.
Although rumors of the possible supply of new bombs and planes began even while Netanyahu was still in the US, Maariv’s claim, based on Western sources, is that supply of the equipment is conditional on postponing an attack. Obama gave Israel neither a green light for an attack, nor a red light, but rather a “bright yellow light,” sources told Maariv, adding that the yellow light is nearly red. Obama told Netanyahu that an Israeli attack, uncoordinated with the US, will have the most serious implications on regional stability and relations between the two countries. Maariv said that sources close to the recent meetings in Washington reported that it will be “difficult, if not impossible” for Israel to ignore Obama’s warnings.
Central to the difference of opinions is at what stage of the uranium enrichment process it will become necessary to use military force. According to intelligence reports, Iran has succeeded in enriching 120 kilogram (265 lbs.) of uranium to 20 percent purity. To make a bomb the Iranians require 250 kg (550 lbs) of 90% pure uranium. However, enriching from 20% to 90% is a relatively fast process, meaning Israel may see its window for action closing. According to Maariv, the US is prepared to wait until Iran has 250 kg of 20% rich uranium, but Israel considers the current developments beyond its own red line for action.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Are the editors going to allow out-of-bounds attacks over and over on the personal traits of posters, as Franklin Rychaert repeatedly does? He is literally just repeating himself over and over, saying nothing original. This gets in the way of actual debate and discussion. For the fourth time Franklin, stop it.
@Ellin:
“Now, please let me go…”
Vale, Ellin! … Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
@Jason Speaks:
You can’t call that an “attack”, Jason. Franklin was just presenting the case for your troll status in a calm and reasoned manner, as I was. No personal anomosity here.
Allow me to say that I do not dislike you in the slightest or resent your presence on this site. I actually enjoy reading what you have to say. I find you amusing rather than threatening. And many of your comments are quite perceptive.
I read somewhere that the ADL actually pays Jews to go on various website and defend the Jewish corner…so many cents per word. This would partly explain the length and multitude of your posts.
Churning out so many comments on this site on all the different threads, day after day, is obviously a full time job. It could even be a lucrative one.
@Winterlight: I doubt if you could recognize a philosopher under any circumstances, silent or not.
Anyway, here’s one to help you along in your ‘struggle’: ‘Crede quod habes, et habes”.
@Ellin: Go already, since you cannot accept criticism of your ideas. Now that’s a very non-Greek trait, isn’t it? So what exactly were you saying?
@Winterlight: Could you give me the email address of these people? Enlightening Whitey for free is onerous given the scale of the problem. Thanks.
@Bobby: ‘Go already’ is a very Yiddish expression. Would you like to rephrase that? Or are you really one of them? Yes, I think you are. Ughhhhhhh.
@Ellin: Ellin, what exactly is your point in using the constant Greek quotations? You remind me of those authors that are always using them in their books, to evidently show how clever they are by never translating them for the reader. In any case, they can be looked up in many books that have latin quotations, or quotations in any language for that matter, so don’t mistake the publics ignorance of knowing those phrases, for the authors laziness in not translating them due to his/her intellectual posing.
@Winterlight:
There is nothing calm and reasoned about it when it’s the 10th time the remark is made in exactly the same way. To make a federal case of the fact I said Jewish instead of Jew is not a serious remark. To claim I am a paid Jew agent because I don’t believe your version of 911 is preposterous, especially given that most WN don’t accept your version of events. If that logic holds, then Kevin MacDonald and Greg Johnson are paid Israeli agents. Rather, I don’t like WN being hijacked to promote some goofball Rense site or to put forward lame theories, thus tarnishing our image.
As I’ve said many times, I encourage intelligent inquiry into everything, including 911. Having spent hours of my life on the silly links people post to “prove” their theories, somethIng new and intelligent would be nice.
@Bobby: Bobby, you are confused. Listen and try to understand. Latin is a dead language used by the Romans. Greek is a different language used by the Greeks continuously for 5000 years. Ok?
The ‘quotations’ that you have seen in my postings are only 2 in number and they are in Latin, not Greek. My interlocutor (‘Winterlight’) has responded with a Latin quote of his own. So, just sit back and relax – don’t let all this erudition faze you. If you like, I’ll use monosyllabic grunts to set you at ease: Oooh, Oooh, Aah, Aah. No idea what they mean but I’m sure you do. Oooh, Oooh, Aah, Aah.
@Ellin: Just grunt the translation for us poor dumb mortals. Thank you.
@Winterlight:
And I resent your statement. You have no idea what my passion is about saving White people or why I am able to make time available or what my situation is. I resent your statement very much. I am not paid by anyone – that is a hateful accusation. I am a White Gentile, born in a White Christian family. This is lunacy. As I have stated a hundred times, TOO would have complete access to my IP address, etc.
In fact, I might argue, people like Winterlight and Franklin, who endlessly defame someone end up sewing distrust and disrupting conservation. How do we even know you are separate people? How much is that $worth$ to anti-White organizations?
TOO has addressed the problem of cranks and kooks in the community (Matt Parrott wrote a great piece on it). So, TOO should at the least do all it can NOT to attract such people.
@Bobby: You are not dumb. You are White: the salt of the earth; the bringers of light; those who are born to rule; the masters of the universe. Forgive my insolence, O Great One, for I have gravely sinned. It was unforgivable of me to imagine that you cannot comprehend grunts of more than one syllable: Oohaa, Oohaa, Eehaw, Eehaw.
@Jason Speaks:
A proper explanation of 9/11 is the litmus test either for intelligence or integrity. Since you obviously have no intelligence problem, what would it be, Jason?
@Ellin: Huh?
@Bobby: Nice one!
@Franklin Ryckaert:
So you are saying that Greg Johnson and Kevin MacDonald are Hasbara agents?
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Must be fun to be master of the universe and decide for us all what the litmus test is.
@Ellin: “the Jews, who have been honing their skills in state capture over two millennia.”
Precisely the reason I believe a non-state, private property regime to be the only viable escape route. Dissolve the ring!
@Trenchant: You seriously believe that a ‘private property regime’ will save you? Or, I should say ‘would have saved you’ because it’s ‘game over’. No, my friend, it would have considerably hastened your demise.
@Ellin:
The major players in the instituting of the Federal Reserve System were European Jewish bankers. This was an essential first move to start to wean the populace off the hard-money ideas that had long been part of the US tradition, with the ultimate objective of an entirely banking-dominated monetary system (ie. 2012). The First Bank of the United States, another very dodgy exercise in central banking, was not attributable to Jews, which only proves that power and money-hunger aren’t a Jewish-only preserve.
And Wall St is extremely competitive, and there are plenty of honest operators as well as sharks. But it’s the flawed and dishonest architecture of the system which must be addressed first, and politicians also have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
In any ordinary business like the restaurant trade, unethical behaviour exists but is minimized by intense competition and comparatively low barriers to entry. One bad review can sink a business, so sharks have every reason to temper their instincts.
@Trenchant:
I’m afraid “dissolving the ring” is a fantasy trip. It’s replacing serious action with a myth. The state will never disappear and is will certainly not disappear in the next 100 years, which is a crucial period for Whites.
@Ellin: Well, in that case would you care to modify your assertion:
“the Jews, who have been honing their skills in state capture over two millennia.”
@Jason Speaks: Similar prognostications about the strength of the Soviets were made right up to the first brick coming off the Berlin Wall. And by serious academics, too. Samuelson is one who comes to mind straight away, but they were legion.
@Jason Speaks: It’s either the State or the whites. ☺ Mind you, it might be the State that prevails, à la USSR, I’m not giving odds.
@Marcy Fleming: Interesting comment, thank you. And nice to see another Murray Rothbard fan on the blog, though I find Rand objectionable on several levels.
@Trenchant: Sorry Trenchant – Beethoven’s last words: ‘Pity, pity, too late!’
@Trenchant:
But I always believed the Soviet system was fragile – that was a particular form of government that was extreme, to say the least. It was unwieldy and as you have pointed out, only made possible by support from the capitalist West. But we aren’t talking about one particular form of state, you are counting on the collapse of any and all state systems.
I would note that while the Soviet Union collapsed, the state itself hardly did. Russia is as statist as ever.
@Trenchant:
I am very much for a very limited state, but I don’t think the evidence supports the idea that it is either the State or the Whites (although it’s a nice line). Whites have existed and thrived with a state system for what? 10,000 years? Whites obviously exist to this day, and they have always existed under some form of state.
It’s political theater. Obama will do whatever they tell him to do, period. He continued to bail out their sorry Wall St. asses, and there was absolutely no reason to do so. He sold out to them long ago, or he would never have gotten elected. Not that Romney is any better; his biggest contributors are also from Wall St.
We are owned by the tribe. That’s the horrible reality of the situation. They will do with us whatever the hell they want to do with us. If it means sending some more Christian redneck southerners of to die in the ME, what do they care? The Talmud makes it clear that we are like cattle.
Most people have NO IDEA what is going on. And if you try to explain it their eyes glaze over and you can see the fear. They don’t WANT to know. It’s safer not to know. I wish I didn’t know. I don’t know what to do with what I now know. It sickens me. I know that The C of C is totally on the mark, and much of the info I already knew just from intuition. In that sense the C of C, while extremely brilliant, is also patently obvious.
Now what?
They’ve got the money. They own and run the media. They own and run the politics. When they said “never again” they weren’t fu**ing around. They’ve taken psychological warfare to new and despicable heights.
Christianity IS like an albatross to a man of action. As much as the media loves to tie Hitler to Christianity, Hitler loathed it, and felt that it made the “ruthless” Germans “weak.”
I’m a Christian. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins. I can’t strap on a bomb and blow up a synagogue. We’re simply not wired that way. But we can’t idly stand by while they dismantle our country.
@Jared White: Jared White your message is clear and I believe accurate for the most part. If it isn’t obvious to intelligent Americans( in fact even to those not that intelligent) that this country is being “dismantled” as you say, then they might as well party on until their doom swallows them up. “Stupid is as stuipid does,” about the only piece of advise coming out of Hollywood, that I ever thought of any value
@Jared White: Christianity need not be like an albatross to a man of action. St. Paul says, be as gentle as a lamb, and as clever as a fox,etc. When Christ went into the temple, and seeing the money changers selling animals there, he went out and “making a whip of cords, drove them out of the house of God.” Doesn’t sound to me like he had any albatross around his neck, and neither does it seem that he was some mealy mouthed liberal.
@Ellin: Your comment on Jews’ historical record for dominating the State was pure lapsus. I retract my comment without reservation. ☺
@Trenchant:
I’m still not sure why sitting around waiting for the state to atrophy and disappear, isn’t basically a recipe for doing nothing at all. There is zero chance of such an occurrence happening before, say 2150 AD, and by that time it will be too late for Whites.
And again, given that Whites have in fact thrived under various regimes of state control, where is the evidence that we must first get rid of the state before Whites have a chance?
This proposition seems to put any real chance of White survival out of the bounds of reality in favor of pursuing some “moral” victory of saying we remained pure to some obscure belief system. I’m not interested in being patted on the head by an angel in the afterlife for my ideological purity, I want real success, here, in this world.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Actually I would say, hijacking White Advocacy and using it to promote pet theories about 911 (including such things as the planes never existed because they were holograms) is either a failure of IQ or a failure of integrity. Since you have IQ, what would it be, Franklin?
@Jason Speaks:
Jason – your passion and sincerity come across for a lot of people including myself.
My advice would be that you don’t talk to people who say you are a troll, and they don’t talk to you.
Another request would be that the people who think you are a troll to limit mentioning this to maybe once a week or something. Or perhaps once each time a new poster shows up that they think need to be informed.
Perhaps each time someone who doesn’t think you are a troll could also speak up.
This seems like a reasonable request in the interest of the site, that respects all POVs.
@Mickey Meadows:
I appreciate that and I know what you are saying, but you know, I just don’t think someone needs to be slandered every time a new visitor shows up to the site in order to expose them to some posters “POV”. I would rather they get together and get MacDonald or whomever to ban me.
This is absurd. MacDonald doesn’t believe in any of the 911 theories that have put forward by these posters, from what I can tell, and Greg Johnson has publicly stated he doesn’t. So, we have a group of people who, arrogantly slander anyone who agrees with KMD or Greg Johnson. How does allowing them to slander a person only once a week attract good people to this cause?
This is just another forum they use to spout off about their theories and create a little personal drama in their lives. They are not on the side of Whites, they simply are not.
For 50 years White Advocacy has failed. Indulging people like this is part of the reason.
WARNING! THIS IS AN ON-TOPIC POST! :)
How Obama Sucks Up to Israel
Listening to Obamas’s speech to AIPAC on March 4, 2012, I was saddened at the degrading spectacle of an American president groveling at the feet of Big Jewry.
Speaking of Iran, he said he was against Iran because the Iranians (more specifically, the Iranian government) denied the Holocaust. He more or less implied that any country where the traditional account of the Holocaust was called into question deserved to be bombed to bits.
“When the Goldstone report unfairly singled out Israel for criticism,” he said, referring to the Gaza massacre, “we challenged it.”
The Goldstone Report did NOT “single out Israel for criticism”. That’s a lie. It condemned Hamas also — though all Hamas was doing was reacting to violence initiated by Israel.
Obama also defended Israel’s criminal conduct during the flotilla incident. “When Israel was isolated in the aftermath of the flotilla incident,” he said, “we supported them.”
“Isolated”? The entire word condemns Israel, and yet, lo and behold! the little Underdog is IN THE RIGHT to board a ship and kill unarmed peace activists (including an American citizen) in international waters!
Obama also made the ridiculous statement that the US protects Israel from “one-sided resolutions” in the United Nations Human Rights Council.
Consider the Alice-in-Wonderland logic of this bizarre statement.
When every nation in the world gets together to condemn Israel’s criminality in the UN, with the single exception of the US, the universal condemnation of Israel is described as a “ONE-SIDED RESOLUTION.”
Follow this absurd logic to its reductio ad absurdum:
A serial killer is put on trial and every single member of the jury pronounces him “GUILTY”. And now the Judge comes forward with the fatuous remark: “This is a one-sided resolution and I must overrule it. The Jury are hopelessly prejudiced. I therefore pronounce the defendant NOT GUILTY!”
@Ellin:
Tsk, tsk, this is no way to speak to a famous philosopher posting on the Occidental Observer under a pen name.
No matter. I shall have my revenge, sir. Prepare to be torn apart in Greek or Latin.
Meanwhile, let me say this: Your unhelpful remark to “Bobby” about his inability to distinguish between Greek and Latin was inappropriate and unnacceptable. This comment must have hurt Bobby’s feelings. Such unfriendly and misanthropic attitudes bring this site into disrepute and reflect very badly on the White Nationalist movement.
If you persist in your Graeco-Roman obsessions, I shall have no option but to ask for your summary ejection from this site on two grounds: (a) Impoliteness to posters in general and to this anonymous philosopher in particular; and (b) Speaking in tongues.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Good point. But I have recently come to the conclusion that the ultimate litmus test is the Holocaust, not 9/11.
In other words, I can imagine Jewish hasbara agents setting up a website which advanced 9/11 conspiracy theories, the object being to discredit such conspiracy theories by deliberately presenting ideas that are more and more extreme and ridiculous, e.g., that no planes were involved at all but that it was all a question of holograms.
No Jewish hasbara agent, however, would set up a website denying the Holocaust.
The Holocaust is therefore the ultimate litmus test.
@Winterlight:
It is not only his use of Greek or Latin (I myself do it sometimes with Latin expressions), it is the meaning of the words he uses. I shall not translate here what he has said to me in Greek on several occasions. Suffice to say that this “philosopher” uses the most vulgar, most dirty invectives. Taking into account that he considers all non-Greeks as “barbarians” and only the Greeks as civilized, this is all the more outrageous.
Furthermore, he is unable to see the contradiction between his extreme Greek ethnocentrism and his wholesale enthousiasm for multiculturalism.
Add to this his admiration for Jews, no matter how destructive, and his ill-concealed schadenfreude about White dispossession, and you wonder what he actually is doing here.
BTW, did he not announce that he would leave us already?
@Winterlight:
re: Winterlight wrote on March 10, 2012 – 8:12 am in re to Franklin Ryckaert.
I would fully agree with your thesis: Holocaust must be destroyed.
This little thing of “holocaust” is a completely discredited narrative. The measure of “holocaust” falsehood is portrayed in the implementation of punitive laws aimed at preventing any mature debate challenging the imposed narrative. My favored way to mock the thing is, that the most formidable weapon used in the pathetic extermination was a lard sandwich offered to a hungry Jew by a merciful goy.
Eustace Mullins was first to point out, that Jews were removed from German cities, to save their lives. When German government introduced ethnic cleansing in occupied countries, it needed a return cargo, so Jews were shipped to the East, closer to their Bolshevik paradise.
Only few Jews may become grand bankers, but many may be furnished with a revolver, to execute power of life an death over the goyim.
@Winterlight: Ah, I’ve ‘hurt your feelings’ with ‘inappropriate’ language that is ‘unacceptable’. I shall be punished by ‘being ejected’ from this site. Now, let me think. Which ethnic group whines on and on in that manner, always playing the victim? Yup, you got it. Seems their mentality is rubbing off on you. Do your worst but remember: Veritas vos liberabit.
@Winterlight:
Hey Franklin, your buddy Winterlight said “Jewish” hasbara agent, not “Jew” hasbara. This proves he is a really a Jew working for Mossad. Of course, Kevin MacDonald wrote a paper called Jewish Influence (not Jew Influence), so he must be on Mossad’s payroll as well.
But imagine my supreme shock when you YOURSELF used the term Jewish – instead of Jew. Franklin, my brother, you are a Mossad agent!
Since you yourself have failed your very own test (saying Jewish instead of Jew), you can at least take pleasure in having exposed yourself.
@Ellin:
I thought you agreed to go post on La Raza and NAACP about the evils of separatism, and then give us a report on their response. Please go do that, and then return with a full accounting.
@Franklin Ryckaert: If you understood my Greek that can only mean one thing. You are Greek yourself (or of Greek origin). I used very colloquial expressions that no non-Greek could possibly be acquainted with. So, we have an interesting situation here.
You are passing yourself off as White when you know perfectly well that Greeks do not characterize themselves in that way. Furthermore, real Whites only grudgingly accept Greeks as Whites (as they do with, say, Sicilians). But first things first. Are you willing to come out of the closet and admit your Greek origins?
@Jason Speaks: Afraid to do it yourself?
@Ellin:
Also, please post on the academic websites that encourage recent immigrants not to assimilate to American and European culture. Go do that. Do that for a month, and then give us a feedback. Because, since you are such an honest guy, if this issue really bothers you so much, the last place you would focus is on a site devoted to White interests – you would go to the heart of the Left, as well as La Raza and NAACP and ADL.
Go do that for a month and give us a report. That should keep you busy.
@Ellin:
It’s not my hobby horse, it’s yours. You come here, knowing we are white, civilized and safe. I think you should go try it on La Raza, NAACP, ADL or the academic websites, because they have much, much more influence then we do at the moment.
And since, you are sooooo truly concerned with this issue, that would be the place to start. Go spend a month or two and let us know what happens. No need to hear from you until then.
Thankssssssss
Holocaust survivor Josek Lewinkopf vs. reality.
Our little Josek, known to Americans as Jerzy Kosinski, was a child during WW2. During the war, his parents rented a house in rural area, and lived unmolested. Young Josek, despite his ultra-Jewish facial characteristics, was serving as an altar boy in local church. Polite Poles said nothing.
Fast forward to “liberation by heroic Red Army”. Josek’s dad dressed his son in a garment fashioned as a bolshevik uniform. Soon, the dad would be known as a spy denunciating patriotic Poles to the bolsheviks.
Josek was not able to acquire a degree in Poland, even as a preferred person (a Jew). He emigrated to the U.S., where he published books, endorsed by Elie Wiesel (another hoaxer), portraying Joseks’ fate in occupied Poland.
Josek described his “memories”, like the one of witnessing an event in a barn, wherein a horse (!) violated a slender girl to the amusement of gathered spectators (!).
Josek took his miserable life in New York.
No “holocaust scholar” will write a paper on Joseks’ adventures.
@Jason Speaks: Apropos your name, Mr JASON, is there any particular reason why you have appropriated a Greek name? What’s wrong with a good white name like Benjamin, Isaac, or Samuel? Or even Daniel?
@GREZCM:
A clarification:
Our Josek also wrote that the horse’s penis was wrapped with ribbons in order to provide the spectators with more thrill.
Re:Ellin 8 March 10:43pm Yup. Philosophical training SHOULD be reserved for the very few. Aristotle will stand at the lectern and lecture to his ONE pupil sitting in the class, namely Ellin. And keep it up for at least four years. That should keep Ellin busy, so that he doesn’t have time for supercilious comments here on Kmac’s blog. Whaddayathink?
@Solly: Is that ‘Solly’ as in ‘Solomon’? Naa, can’t be. HE was known for his wisdom.
@Jason Speaks: I am a builder by trade. I recommend that you visit Architects and Engineers for 911 web site – http://www.ae911truth.org/. Engineers are notoriously conservative as they are liable if their engineering calcs are wrong. None of these members have anything to gain and much to lose by being part of this group. The bottom line: steel-framed buildings do not implode and collapse due to fire. In the high rise fires to date no buildings collapsed. Only the WTC 1 and 2, plus Building 7 did…..
Also, where are the lawsuits against the engineering company that designed the WTC to be able to resist the impact from an airliner crash into it? This is America, land of lawsuits.
Something does not quite add up.
Nac ara, Ellin, no kapostiem!
@Solly: By the way Solomon, Aristotle would have difficulty ‘standing at the lectern’. I hate to tell you this but he’s been dead for quite some time. Sorry Solly.
@Jason Speaks:
This post shows exceptional intelligence. Now what ethnic group shows exceptional intelligence, with an average IQ of 115? I’m afraid Jason Speaks has given himself away again.
@Ellin:
You have already conceded that differences in intelligence are real. In addition, there is growing evidence that temperament and personality are at least 50% genetic. So, it would not be possible to build a great civilization with a population that had an IQ average of 80. So, you have already conceded the major points.
Please go to La Raza and NaACP and post there for a month. We await your report
to Ellin 11:06 NO!!!! You don’t say!!! WHOWOUDATHUNKIT??? Talk about those towering IQ’s!
@Solly: Ok, so I’m out of the cabbage. What next Solly?
@Winterlight:
Are you basically making fun of yourself with this post? Is this intended as a form of self-irony? By this logic, every PhD in the country is Jewish. William Pierce would have to be Jewish. Kevin McDonald would have to be Jewish. I assume this is your way of admitting your reasoning is faulty.
@Jason Speaks: You won’t tell us why you have taken a Greek name so I’m just going to rename you myself. I’m going to stick to Greek since you like it so much. So, here it is. Your new name is MOUNOPANOS. I know it’s got 4 syllables but a man of your IQ should have no problem with that. Yes, ‘Mounopanos’. Much better than Jason.
@Ellin:
mounopano 53 up, 10 down
Pussy Rag. Very strong curse, showing you thing very lowly of this person. that he is a bad person, with no ethics. Son of a bitch
Aftos einai megalo mounopano. He is a big Pussy rag.
buy mounopano mugs & shirts
archidi kariolis son of a bitch
2. mounopano 31 up, 12 down
literaly means a cloth to wipe one’s pussy
@ Ellin – you need to get a life. What you just called him sounds very much like a curse only a filthy MUSLIM would mouth.
You need to get off this list.
@Ellin:
These sly innuendos as to my ethnic origin are unhelpful and inappropriate, if not downright distasteful. If they continue, I will have to demand your instant ejection from this site. Either you go or I go!
You have gone a step too far this time, Ellin, in trying to smirch my honor by suggesting I am one of the Chosen. As they say in Rome: Alea iacta est. Or if you prefer it in the barbarous Greek language you keep using: Anerrhiphtho kybos. You are no true philosopher as you claim, having violated the basic Socratic command: GNOTHI SEAUTON.
Moi, hen oida hoti ouden oida.
Keep reading this site and we’ll soon all be classical scholars.
@blue rose:
Sorry, Blue Rose, irresistible though you are, I must raise strong objections to that comment. There’s nothing wrong with Muslims. To suggest otherwise is to be guilty of Islamophobia.
@blue rose: Well, well – you’re quite an expert aren’t you! What if I give you a new name too. Will you be able to figure it out? Here it is KLASOBANIERA. I’ll give you a clue. It’s very you!
@Winterlight: Just 3 errors this time:
1. It is ‘besmirch’ not ‘smirch’
2. ‘Barbarous Greek’ is an oxymoron – the one precludes the other by definition
3. GNOTHI SEAUTON is a Delphic saying not a Socratic one.
Shouldn’t I be paid for all this instruction?
@Winterlight:
Too bad. Take a look of what the English are up against these days. The Muslims are literally taking over.
@Ellin:
An old ‘fart tub’? lolll
You really have degraded MacDonald’s website with your anti-white garbage and your low, coarse language and defaming of posters here. It was pretty pleasant here until you showed up.
@blue rose: Ok, time for you to come out of the closet too (like Franklin, who has conveniently disappeared). You’ve got to be Greek, right? And, if so, what are you doing on this site masquerading as a White? Come on, the truth now.
You’re just an asshole, Ellin, admit it — A homosexual involved in the Greek cult of boy-love, who came here to tell us how Greece has no part in worrying about its identity LOLLLL
I look very much forward to this summer, and watching REELS of video footage of your country being torn to pieces by your own selves and by your beloved 2 MILLION illegal Muslims that you think you can keep from having mosques built LOLLLLL
Thanks for showing me the Light about the homosexual Greeks. That’s one country I can cross off my list of worries HA HA Join the ranks of the suicide rate, Ellin! Pretty please! :)
@blue rose: Spending the summer watching videos of Greece isn’t much fun. Why not come over and see it for real? Live a little. ‘Partake’, if you get my meaning. It’ll do you good. All that pent-up rage. Not good for you. Kisses.
Oh it’s FUN all right, now that you’ve given me insight into your Greek mentality! As I said I often wondered why certain right-wing elements in the USA watch with amusement as your country goes into rioting mode and tears the place apart. I didn’t want to believe them at first, all the things they said about Greece and why the country is destroying itself, but you’ve provided the missing piece of the puzzle. One less country to concern myself with LOLLLL
Go back to boinking your boy-lover, Ellin. If you’re on the receiving end, no wonder you post here day in and day out — it’s too raw when you stand up LOLLLLL
@blue rose: Wow Rose – you’re displacing me as this site’s purveyor of ‘low, coarse language’ (as you put it). I’ll have to try harder but you’re hard to beat. The insanity gives you an edge. Anyway, I’m impressed.
@Ellin: Just an adumbration on a point of fact. If you’re on the receiving end (as you say) it’s raw when you sit down not when you stand up. We mustn’t play fast and loose with the facts. Apart from that, very nice.
@Ellin:
Really? You ‘cum’ up with filthy name-calling in Greek. You don’t want to know what would happen to you if you ever showed up in my neck of the woods, bubba.
Well, the thing is, we are told, aside from their homosexual proclivities (which are well known) , Greeks are lazy, want very early retirement age, and expect a full pension, and everything handed to them.
@blue rose: @blue rose: Yup, that’s a pretty good summary. I’ll go along with that. Now, don’t avoid the question any longer. Are you Greek?
The cabbage bit is a generic dismissal of annoying people. Why are you here, Ellin?
@Solly: That’s for you to ask and me to know, Solomon.
@Jason Speaks:
I used to respect your intelligence Jason, but you are disappointing.
You don’t understand the difference between adjectives, substantives and ADJECTIVES USED AS SUBSTANTIVES.
When you are talking about Jews and you need an adjective you use the term “Jewish” , as in : Jewish conspiracy, Jewish concern troll etc. (and not an awkward : Jew-conspiracy, or Jew-concern troll).
When you need a substantive, you use the term “Jew”, as in : Jason is a Jew, the Jews did 9/11 etc.
You can also use an adjective as a substantive, though that is not very common, as in : he is Jewish instead of : he is a Jew. It is this latter use that is preferred by Jews and thus betrays them.
So no, I am not a Mossad agent, because I am not Jewish…err a Jew (nearly betrayed myself, hope you didn’t notice).
@Franklin Ryckaert:
He Jason, I just happen to see you do it again :
Quote : (march 10, 2012 – 11:40 am, italics by me)
In all these cases a Gentile would have used the term Jew.
Busted!
@Ellin:
I hope you are ready to accept the possibility that “even barbarians” can learn some Greek. So no, I am not Greek. (neither is Alice Teller, she has found the meaning of your invective on the internet). I have a gymnasium education and spent some 9 months in Greece and could speak the language, though not fluently (that is why ta Ellinika mou theloun akoma doulia).
As for understanding “colloquial expressions” (your euphemistical term for dirty invectives), there is such a thing as the dictionary and the internet.
It is a pity that you keep on using such terms because for the rest you seem to be intelligent and educated.
As for the idea that “Greeks are not White”, it depends on how you define the term. For me “White” means all European peoples thus also the Greeks. The White race consists of various subraces and most European nations consist of mixtures of those subraces, though in different proportions. Greece is a “transit” region, racially speaking, since various White subraces went through it in the course of (pre-) history. Considered are : Cro-Magnons, Alpines, Dinarics (a stabilized mix of Mediterraneans and Alpines, very common in the Balkan), a sturdy type of Mediterraneans (the Pelasgians), and the various Greek speaking Indo-European tribes of whom the Dorians were the last (the only ones who were predominantly blond). The Greek population is a mixture of all these types with the Mediterranean (Pelasgian) and the brunet Indo-European type in the majority. So yes, Greeks are definitely White, no question about it.
The idea that only Germanics are White and that all ancient Greeks and Romans were originally blond but “degenerated” due to admixture and that this is the reason why their cultures declined is nonsense. It was however popular among the Nazis and still is among some modern White nationalists who are not too well educated. For them South Europeans are “not White”. They don’t understand the idea of subrace.
I hope this has cleared some things up.
Yassou.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Please leave me out of this. I like and admire Greeks, and do not find Ellin to be remotely representative of those I have know. In America they are best known for their hard work, business acumen and warm family life.
In Greece I found them to be gracious, dignified and joyfully exuberant, an enchanting combination. If they are in trouble now, it is in part because countless generations of Greeks have left home to make a living and sent the proceeds back. It becomes a way of life.
I think that perhaps Greeks may be the best among us to tackle certain parts of our problem. Greeks have been competing successfully with Jews in business for thousands of years. Perhaps it is no accident that Harry Markopolos was the person who caught Bernie Madoff. He is also the only person I heard who had a good idea on how to combat financial fraud. Do not had it over to kids who want to grow up and work for/with Masdoff. Put it out to bounty. Anyone who proves their case gets a reward.
It is long past time we stopped acting like children in the playground casting insults back and forth. Just how many white groups do you get to insult, and still claim to be a white nationalist?
None of us are perfect. Life doesn’t work that way. We need to make the most use of the real strength of diversity – white diversity.
@Alice Teller:
Sorry, I confused you with Blue Rose.
For the rest I agree with what you say about the Greeks. Nice, hospitable people.
This Ellin is not representative of them.
Goodbye.
To Ellin March 9th, 8:26 AM Lordy, lordy, it’s deja vu all over again! Is that Rh negative Ichor? (attn: Blue Rose, you will understand)
@Franklin Ryckaert: The story that the Dorians ‘came from the North’ has been responsible for many a myth. Before I say where they DID come from, let me give you an example of how the story has been twisted to suit people’s interests.
It is 1830 and Otto of Bavaria arrives in Greece to take up his throne. With him are around 200 Bavarians who promptly take up key positions in the primitive state that Greece was at the time. Enter Fallmerayr, a German sociologist, who is asked to conduct a survey to see if the current inhabitants are related to the Ancients. The result? A resounding ‘NO’. Fallmerayr’s conclusions make the rounds of European Academia and linger on to this day. His findings are very convenient for the new arrivals from Bavaria. They can now say: The Ancients were Dorians. The Dorians ‘came from the North’. WE came from the North. Ergo, WE are closely related to the Ancients – more so than the current inhabitants that Fallmerayr has just studied and found wanting. So, Otto and his regime are legitimized. I’m sure you know all this but I’ve sketched it for any third parties who may be reading this.
Now, the hub of the matter. Where did the Dorians really come from? Well, yes, from the North – but not very far North. The town of Doris (3rd decl Doris -idos) on the Thessaly-Epirus border is mentioned by Herodotos as the original home of the Sons of Hercules (the 3 brothers who led the ‘Dorian migration’ south). This is confirmed by Thucydides who relates how, during the Peloponnesian War, the Spartans placed Doris under their special protection as it was their ancestral home.
So, I wish I had an amplifier powerful enough to broadcast this to every corner of the planet: the Dorians originated from a small town (within Greece) around two hundred kilometers north-west of Athens. There is every reason to believe that they looked exactly like other Greeks: olive complexion, black hair, medium height. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that they were tall, blue-eyed, and blond! That, is a Germanic fantasy.
Recall, also, that we have faced a double assault on historical truth. Fallmerayr initiates the myth of blond Dorians while Bernal (the Jewish author of Black Athena) tells us that they were most definitely Semites! You know what I’m going to say next: when will a Chinese author come along to tell us the Dorians really came from DO RI in Yunan province?
@Franklin Ryckaert:
I have no clue what the proper why of saying Jew or Jewish is, but what you said makes sense. But your silly accusations are annoying. What exactly would i have to do to prove to you that I’m not a “hasbara” agent? Or a Jew? Tell me.
I am not allowed to think holographic planes make no sense? When I see a poster say families of those who died on airplanes on 911 are all a bunch of liars, I’m supposed to just agree? When I see specific theories put forward that don’t look supported by facts and logic, tell what the hell am I supposed to do?
If you guys could at least distance yourself from the craziest elements that claim to be 911 Truthers, it would help. Just do that. Say you have questions, but you certainly don’t believe in invisible plane hypothesis. You make us all look like idiots.
I have a strong suspicion that “Ellin” is a previous poster known as “Adam” and later “White Angel” (I can’t remember the German equivalent he used, but “White Angel” is the English translation.) He was universally detested except by me, who was then posting under another name. I was sad to see him leave. He had an original mind and was inordinately clever.
@Ellin:
You have no interest in serious discussion, you just attack the premise of this site from different directions. You won’t even go spend a month at NAACP’s or La Raza’s site and lecture them on the glories of assimilation, instead you specifically spend time attacking Whites. You are a con.
You tried to put forward the idea that Japan should be thought of as a multi-ethnic utopia. You simply finding different ways to attack the premise of this site. You are a fake.
@Ellin:
I have known many Greeks, in small remote villages, who have fair skin and hair.
@Jason Speaks:
@Winterlight:
Well played. Perhaps vanity overwhelms irony-detection.
@Franklin Ryckaert: I broke off in the last post post because it was getting too long. There are a couple more points i’d like to make.
Everything you say regarding ‘subrace’ may be true and I understand how you intend to use that to incorporate Mediterranean peoples such as the Greeks into the ‘White fold’. However, you are still left with one very sticky problem – do the Greeks themselves want to go there? I understand how, on this site, I have given the impression of being very ‘unlike’ any Greek that anyone here has actually met. The answer to that point has been signposted by Alice Teller above.
We have been locked in a struggle with the Jews for 2300 years. It is a silent war, centered on trade and commerce, that hardly anyone knows about. Alice Teller is right when she says we can help you in your struggle simply because NO ONE knows them better than we do. So, see us as ‘allies’ rather than a part of your racial group. You don’t need that and it makes us feel uncomfortable too. Now, back to the Jews.
A Sunday Times article in the UK a while back said this: ‘There is very little anti-Semitism in Greece for one simple reason – Greeks can outdo the Jews in business any day of the week’. That’s true, but how? Easy. You can’t be a very good businessman if you are periodically massacred and expelled from every country you’ve ever settled in! The art of business is to take people’s money (while providing a good service) AND leaves the customer actually liking you! It is evident, even on this site, that no one hates Greeks. That sentiment is repeated the world over.
In our centuries-old struggle with the Jews, I think I can say we bested them. In Czarist Russia, in Eastern Europe and Africa in the 19th century, there is no question that we had the upper hand. Even inside Israel, the situation is embarrassing for them. The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate is the largest landowner in Israel. Both the Knesset and the Israeli Prime Minister’s residence are built on 50 year leases from the Patriarchate.
However, around 50 years ago, the scales tipped in their favor. Why? Because they managed to capture the greatest country on earth. Your country Franklin. Now, you should be able to see how our interests coincide. We have information that could be very, very useful to you!
One last point. I mentioned the word ‘capture’ in relation to Jews in America. That has been a standard feature of their MO ever since we became locked in struggle with them. An American Jew I was conversing with recently actually blurted it out. He said: ‘The only safety is in control’. That is an attitude we have NEVER shared. We know how to live in other people’s country without being hated. It is this idea that they have to have everything ‘locked down’ in order to be ‘safe’ that has been their undoing. I’ll end here and carry on later.
@Jason Speaks:
I only have one question for the “9/11 truthers” and that is:
If the Jews control our government, media, education, and financial institutions why would they destroy their own world financial headquarters to trick America into doing what it was already doing ie. whatever the Jews say. Why not just give the order to attack Iraq, then sit back and watch the fireworks. I understand that 9/11 was great for war propaganda, But the same thing could have been accomplished without bombing your own buildings. So which is it, do the Jews run America or did they do the greatest magic trick in history to get Americans to do their bidding???
@Franklin Ryckaert: I ended before with the Jewish need to have everything ‘locked down’ in order to be ‘safe’. This is a central issue and you need to understand one very important aspect of it. When they behave in this way, they should not be seen as malign! Nearly every person on this thread makes that mistake. Let me explain. If you have spent any time at all with Jews, you will have noticed that there is something ‘hysterical’ in their behavior. They almost purposely behave in ways that will make them objects of hate. There is only one way to describe that: dumb. So, do not over-estimate them. Just give them rope to hang themselves. Here is an example of how this was done in 18th century Greece under Ottoman rule.
Local Ottoman administrators had the power to fix which day would be ‘market day’. If it was Saturday, the Jews would be in the synagogue and unable to sell. If it was Sunday, the Greeks would be in church and similarly disadvantaged. A cleric called Kosmas Aitolos toured every area in Greece trying to fix Saturday as market day. The sweetener he offered the Turkish governor was that there would be a special donation made by parishioners every Sunday to himself. This worked quite well until the Jews came back with their own ‘incentive’. They offered the governor unlimited credit in the form of direct loans in gold. Kosmas did nothing. He gave them rope to hang themselves. Here’s how.
In their stupidity, they did not think to offer these loans at reduced interest. No, they charged the governors usurious rates. Even the Ottomans figured out in short order that the way to escape the debt was to decapitate the lenders. That is what happened and that is why Kosmas did nothing. By the end of his life, Saturday was market day throughout Greece.
In summary: do not hate them, do not overestimate them. Give them rope to hang themselves. That is the strategy of choice.
@Alice Teller: Don’t split hairs just to say something. Not every German looks like Siegfried.
@Solly:
Ellin sez:
HA! Thanks for calling Ellin’s statement to my attention! I didn’t bother reading all his comments, so I missed that one. Talk about the epitome of delusions!!! I’d love to see a reference on that one all right!
The Ancient Aliens were believed to have given knowledge to ancient Greece, along with other civilizations like ancient Egypt, the Aztecs, the Incas, China, and other sites where we see pyramids and great sacred centers. However, Ellin is in no way related, since it’s been pointed out today’s Greeks are merely a mongrelized people who inter-bred with many others. Just the hoi polloi, the rabble, in other words.
Ichor indeed! HA!
Give us citations: Geneticists refer to our blood as ‘Ichor’. as per Ellin.
@ Ellin -
Is this a description of your home in Greece? I came across a web page (The Economist) with your name on it – ‘Comments by Ellin’ — but the comment was under ‘Wolfgang’s woes’, so it’s confusing if it’s you:
I’d love to live there, with a temple and all. Sounds pretty nice!
@blue rose: Again, you are absolutely right. We DID leave our DNA in many parts of the world by copulating with locals. Greek men are still in huge demand as shown by the millions of females who descend on our country every year as tourists. Our DNA has improved the gene pool in places where we deposited it. Clearly, your ‘neck of the woods’ is not one of them!
‘Comments by Ellin’ at the Economist web page. It’s hard to say what alias he is using, but it looks like it’s ‘Wolfgang’s woes’
https://www.economist.com/user/2969498/comments
@blue rose: Well blue rose, you certainly know your way around the net. Yes, that IS me. I’ve been fighting running battles on the Economist for around 2 years now. My opponents there, are ignorant of economics and finance – unlike this site where the ignorance is on history, politics, and race.
@Ellin:
Are you still going with the modern day mongrelized Greeks still have Ichor DNA bloodline thing or what? If so, please provide references to these genetic studies, so we can check them out. Can’t provide them? Then STFU.
@blue rose: ‘Wolfgang’s Woes’ is the title of the article being commented on (Wolfgang Scheuble is the German Finance Minister).
@blue rose: Blue Rose, what happened to your aversion to bad language? I don’t want to think of you as a PLAKOMOUNA.
@Ellin:
Yeah, yeah, only *you* know everything. But my question is: IS THAT YOUR HOUSE WITH THE TEMPLE TO ZEUS IN IT?
@blue rose: I already told you the post is from me. Yes, it’s my house. Why?
@Jason Speaks: Holograms can’t work unless there is some projection medium. Still, what Hollywood can come up with is quite extraordinary, which explains in part its hold on the public psyche.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k
@Henry Baxley: Uh, the building was full of asbestos and so an enormous liability, and yet insured to the hilt in a most timely manner (against terrorism, no less).
So, to answer your loaded question, yes and yes!
@Trenchant:
Well if we can drop the idea that there were no planes on 911 that hit buildings, I will be happier. If we can agree that it wasn’t a hologram, we are moving closer to reality.
@Jason Speaks:
Some “conspiracy theories” are true. In order to descredit these true conspiracy theories, others are deliberately manufactured that are so manifestly far-fetched and absurd that conspiracy theories in general tend to get a bad name.
You know that damn well, Jason.
The hologram hypothesis is one such conspiracy theory, deliberately designed to make 9/11 Truthers look ridiculous.
@Winterlight:
And that is exactly the reason why Jason mentions it. He has the same agenda as those who invented that hologram hypothesis.
You cannot be smart and stupid at the same time. Jason is obviously smart, therefore he cannot be so stupid as to think that all 9/11 conspiracy theories are as ridiculous as the hologram hypothesis. This again betrays his true agenda.
@Henry Baxley:
You have a great mind. You should imo make better use of it. I refuse to waste any more of my mental energy on such nonesense as 9/11 was an insurance scam. Snap out of it!
Hey, guys, why are you all wasting your valuable time and mental energy arguing with an object like Ellin ?
The one thing people like him can’t stand is being ignored, which should instruct you what to do.
@Marcy Fleming: Mental energy? You wish.
@Henry Baxley:
BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THEIR “PEARL HARBOR INCIDENT”. THEY EVEN SAID THEY NEEDED SUCH A CATASTROPHIC EVENT AS A PRETEXT FOR WAGING A CRUSADE AGAINST THE ENTIRE ISLAMIC WORLD. THE DOCUMENT I REFER TO WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO 9/11…IT’S CALLED “PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY” (PNAC)…A DOCUMENT WRITTEN BY THE SAME JEWS WHO WERE PROBABLY COMPLICIT IN 9/11.
THE BUILDINGS WERE DUE FOR DEMOLITION ANYWAY, AS THEY WERE SO OLD. THE JEWISH OWNERS DIDN’T WANT TO PAY THE ENORMOUS DEMOLITION COSTS. FAR MORE PROFITABLE TO INSURE THE BUILDINGS AND THEN RAKE IN THE INSURANCE MONEY WHEN THE BUILDINGS WERE DEMOLISHED IN AN ALLEGED AL QAEDA “TERRORIST” INCIDENT.
THE JEWS RUN AMERICA, YES, AND THEY HAVE PROVED IT IN SPADES BY ENGINEERING 9/11 AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT — PINNING THE BLAME ON A BUNCH OF TECHNOLOGICALLY INEPT ARABS ARMED ONLY WITH BOX CUTTERS!
THEY WON’T GET AWAY WITH IT FOR LONG THOUGH. SOONER OR LATER THE TRUTH WILL BE OUT IN THE OPEN. AND THEN WE’LL SEE THE SHIT HIT THE FAN!
@Ellin:
Agapoume mono sostous Ellines, aftos ine Evreos.
@Winterlight:
Yes, I do think far-fetched conspiracy theories could be spread to immunize elites against real analysis. For example, hologram planes, or the hateful idea that all 911 families were paid off to “keep quiet” or that they were happy to see building come down because it had asbestos in it! These can hardly be typed without a giggle at the outlandishness.
And yes, it does detract from the serious concern that Israel may have had foreknowledge, or that Mossad could have provided behind the scenes logistical support to unknowing lackeys. I’ve always found it very suspicious that so many so-called “truthers’ insist on only the most bizarre theories, never the more credible ones.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
No it doesn’t Franklin, the real inquiry should be into whether Israel had foreknowledge and provided logistical support behind the scenes. I have always said that.
Are you blind? It is trenchant who had posted link after link promoting the hologram theory of planes, not me. I have used it as an example of silliness. Why is it OK for him to put multiple links promoting a crank theory, but when I say, “hey that’s crazy”, suddenly I’m the bad guy? Seriously?
I am pro-White. I don’t like stupid, outlandish, crazy theories promoted under the guise of White Nationalism. Why do you give a free pass to those who seriously promote bizarre theories, but attack people who call them out? It makes no sense.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
You seriously need to stop and think, if you are honest – which I think you are. People are simply calling out the more bizarre truthers for theories that are obvious rot. You say nothing about all the posters that have promoted the craziest, most bizarre, most illogical “theories” I can imagine (insurance scam, asbestos, invisible planes, all the 911 families are liars – weird, hateful stuff). They may indeed be intended to immunize against serious inquiry.
Is there a language problem here? Is English your first language? Go look at the tons of posters who put multiple links and comments saying stuff you can’t read without laughing out loud – that is the stuff I object to.
It’s a silly, immature view of how power is wielded. Conspiracies do exist and certainly hidden agendas. But they aren’t carried out in some cartoonish matter. If you have a problem with the hologram theory (as I do), take it up with the guys that seriously promote it on this site, like trenchant .
Santomauro
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IS THAT WITH 2 ‘O’S OR 3?
Nutzi conspiracy crap should not be allowed here. Giving it houseroom on this site is a mistake. It is all being carefully noted by you know who. Rational white advocates will be the ones who pay the price.
This email popped into my email box today from a total stranger. A gal named “Samantha”. Wonder why she’s writing to ME…?
Anyway, she sounds like a smart cookie, so I’ll copy and paste her email here:
[I think Darkmoon made precisely the same point recently in the Comments to her 'Armageddon' article. You back your country ONLY when your country is good. You cease to back it as soon as it GOES OVER TO THE DARK SIDE. To hell with "patriotism" when patriotism means backing a government of war criminals and psychopaths.
This was Darkmoon's point.
So why was she attacked for saying precisely was President Theodore Roosevelt was saying above?]
The email from Samantha continues:
@Jason Speaks: No, never holograms. Only doctored “live” TV footage of the planes. Holograms are impossible and don’t satisfy Ockham’s razor. Whoever owns the media can airbrush 10m plus Ukranians out of the picture, airbrush in 6m Jewish Holocaust victims, gas-chambers and still get away with it. A few seconds of CGI planes’ impacts are small beer.
@Trenchant: Ukrainians. D’oh!
@Winterlight:
I thought that was you, Lasha.
@Alice Teller:
Don’t tell me, dear Alice, that you of all people have suddenly joined the ranks of the “conspiracy theorists”? :)
What with Jason being accused of being a wicked Jew (which I doubt) and me being accused of being a gal who has stalkers running after her (even more biizarre), this is getting a bit ridiculous!
@Alice Teller:
Next you’ll be saying I’m Ellin! Heaven forbid! ☺
Jason Speaks displays some amazing chutzpah on this thread. He complains about “personal attacks” while engaging in constant slander, name-calling, and lies about other posters.
Hilariously, he claims that if we think he’s a “concern troll” then we must also think that Matt Parrott or Greg Johnson are “concern trolls” if they happen to agree with him on x, y, or z. He is constantly trying to gate-keep and demand the “movement” ousts various posters he doesn’t agree with, as if somehow, some comments on the TOO message board are the only thing keeping the White masses from joining a Nationalist movement.
I don’t know, or care, if Jason Speaks is a Jew, but it’s clear he’s very concerned about us.
@admin hope this works.
@Franklin Ryckaert: ti poutanitsa pou eisai. re skatomounaro, ton perneis agria kai saresei.
@Winterlight: An arm and a leg is what you’d give to be Ellin.
@Ellin:
akoma barbaros ise?
@Rich Pearson:
Yes, I think kooks should be called kooks. Big deal.
@Rich Pearson:
And stop putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say any of that the was you phrased it. Let me put the phrase Greg Johnson said verbatim about 911″
Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call “Bullshit,” and I am leaving it at that. The people who have the maturity and self-confidence to do the same, and walk away from this circus, are the kind of people we need to make headway.
He said it perfectly.
@Jason Speaks:
O.K. Jason, it appears now that Trenchant didn’t promote the hologram theory.
As for insurance scam and asbestos, those are secondary matters concerning (Jew) Larry Silverstein who made a huge profit by insuring his buildings against terrorist attacks and who was obliged to remove asbestos from them, which would be very costly. This is what I call collateral profit, not the main motive of the plot (nobody says so). The main motive was to fabricate a justification for a Global War on Terror that would allow the US to wage war all over the world, and since a “war on terror” can never be finished (just like a “war on crime” can never be finished) that would mean practically ad infinitum. That was the whole purpose of this false flag of 9/11. For Israel it meant that the US could attack its enemies in the ME, for the US itself, any country in the world. Besides it meant the transformation of the US into a police state. But central in this plot are Jews, both in Israel and the US.
By insinuating that alternative explanations of 9/11 other than the official story are only ridiculous conspiracy theories and that serious WN should have nothing to do with them you try to avoid the realization that 9/11 was essentially a Jew job. That shows your agenda. Unfortunately for you it is not working.
BTW, are you still “not Jewish”, or are you “not a Jew” already? I ask this because you keep on making the same mistakes. See my comment on March 10, 2012 – 2:41 pm, where I catch you using the term “Jewish” three times in the suspect manner. It seems to be difficult to pass for a real Gentile.
Ellin, I think I’ve got you figured out! Rh negative Ichor is linked to dark green scaly integument! Right? And it took you a few light years to get here?
@Solly: Solly, you’re a genius!
@Someday:
Someday, nice of yours to determine for us what “rational” white advocates are. As far as I remember from your previous comments those are people who :
1) Wholeheartedly support Israel
2) Don’t criticize in any way Jews in the diaspora.
In short a “rational” white advocate is an ideal shabbos goy!
Can you not be a little less obvious? We all are familiar with the type of the cunning feigning Jew, but the type of the naive feigning Jew is new to most of us!
On a final note : the word “crap” is not appropriate for civilized conversation and the term “Nutzi” displays a fundamental disrespect for National Socialism (the correct term). Remember that.
@Someday:
“Nutzi conspiracy crap should not be allowed here.”
If the Nazis had won the war Whites wouldn’t be on their way to extinction at the hands of the tribe. Keep that in mind as you complain about “dem eeeevil nazis.”
@Franklin Ryckaert: Ok, ‘National Socialist excrement’. Happy now? (ton perneis mounopano)
To Ellin 11:57 Good grief! You mean to tell me that the dear lord allowed a second genius in his creation? Another one besides Ellin?
@Ellin: @Ellin: Go back to the La Raza website. If it’s not up, try MECHA.
By ‘Nutzi’ I mean those who are mentally unbalanced and attracted to far fetched conspiracy theories that border on magical thinking. (Some may point to religion’s myths as similar, but these are quite different as they work to support a community- look at the birthrate among the religious.)
To get through and convince the white masses we need rational arguments and only rational arguments. The nutzi stuff seriously detracts from the credibility of the whole site. If a white advocate associated with TOO was granted a major mainstream media interview, most of their time would be spent relying to questioning about whether they subscribe to the loopy conspiracy talk that intrudes here, on every thread.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Trenchant most certainly did promote those theories, but he always crabs away from it the moment you ask serious questions – he claims he was “just throwing it out there”. Where the hell do you think topic even came from? He stated several times that he suspected the planes never existed. If you want me to find the original posts, I will. This is not something i originated, I couldn’t imagine such a thing. I was telling him that is was nuts.
@Jason Speaks: Here’s my glove. Find one instance where I have maintained holograms were part of the 9/11 psy-op. Just one.
To reiterate, inserting CGI planes into “live” TV plane-impact-footage is my belief. But in that sense I’m only starting from your working hypothesis that Mossad might have played some ill-defined logistical role. Not much of a stretch to posit that Hollywood is willing to lend a hand for the larger project.
@Trenchant:
Ug, I will try and find it, I wish TOO allowed searching comments. But if you are saying you didn’t specifically push the hologram idea, then I believe you.
So, you believe the planes were computer generated graphic images that were put on film or whatever? You believe there were no actual planes that crashed into the buildings. I’m just trying to get clear: The planes were fake in your view, but they were computer generated TV images, not holograms.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
OK, I’m sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you had made some good posts in the past, but when I was looking back at old stuff, I see where you are a fan of a bunch of farfetched “FEMA comin’ to getcha” theories, complete. You are believe and promoter in farfetched conspiracy theories, not serious discourse. My bad.
@Someday:
My question is this: Why aren’t there more normal White people showing up? My theory is that the nuts tend to drive off the normals. Still, I would hope we were getting more regular, clear thinking people. And yes, having to bear the cross of Third Reich stuff is a fatal blow.
However, I’m finally understanding that a fair number of White Nationalists (not so much White Advocates perhaps), deliberately want to keep this movement small. They like the fact that most people are repelled. They have no desire to have millions of White people join us. Until this issue is fully dealt with, we go nowhere.
@Jason Speaks: It may be because most ‘normal’ people don’t visit a lunatic asylum unless they’ve got a relative in there. Just a thought.
Jason Speaks and Someday, you both owe Trenchant a debt of gratitude – you were hoping to find a “conspiracy theorist” that promoted 9/11 theories even more outlandish than the “Two Planes, Three Buildings” theory, and luckily, you found Trenchant, who posts about “CGI planes” and even posted a link to the infamous (Jewish) Judith Woods and her “energy beam” nonsense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
If it wasn’t for posters like Trenchant, you would have to make it all up. That’s a lucky break nearly as good as Frances Cohen (alias “Frank Colin”) of the 1970s, the Jewish “Nazi” that promoted the idea of “6 million Jews in the Holocaust wasn’t enough,” or the two Jewish “Muslims” Adam Gadahn (real name: Adam Pearlman) and “Youseph Al-Katab of Revolution Muslim” (real name: Joseph Cohen) that showed up in 2002-2004 openly promoting “Al Qaeda.”
Jason Speaks says:
“My theory is that the nuts tend to drive off the normals.”
Jason Speaks wants us to believe that there are no “normal White people” on TOO, because they have all been scared off by Trenchant. Ridiculous on its face, of course.
Whoever moderates this site is going to be under pressure to not even distinguish between useful posters like Franklin Ryckaert, and (hopefully) myself, vs. obnoxious types like “Ellin” – which is of course, exactly the point. While the internet and the blogs have been great for White interests, the enemy has adapted, and you can see the newer disruption techniques here. It remains to be seen how successful they will be.
Since this is an article about AIPAC/Israel, 9/11 is on-topic. If anyone is truly interested in the issue, they should ignore all “conspiracy theorists” like the Official “Al Qaeda” nonsense, and pay attention to the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the Journal of 9/11 Studies, and good documentaries like “Zero: An Investigation into 9/11″ and ignore obvious nonsense like Judith Woods, James Fetzer, etc.
Fortunately for White Americans, any attack on Iran is going to be very unpopular, despite what the Jew media says, and if Obama attacks Iran before the election, he will lose, and if he attacks Iran after the election, he will face extreme political pressure from our own military establishment.
Israel is living on borrowed time; not even another false flag will save them now. For White Americans, best to simply prepare for the worst and continue to isolate the Zionists. The fact that the usual suspects and their lackeys are getting so desperate is simply a testimony to how dire their situation really is. It’s virtually a win-win situation for us now, just a matter of time.
P.S. Jason Speaks, I’m a fan of Greg Johnson’s movie reviews and his translations of obscure counter-Judaic literature, and I do agree with him that harping on the homosexuals is not productive, but I’m certainly not looking to his type for any sort of “leadership” in the pro-White movement.
@admin the tor issues are still causing problems, btw.
@Ellin:
The most glaring insane asylums today are inhabited by those that buy into culture-only models of human nature; those that deny the underlying reality of human bio-diversity. This long, sad, destructive story began in modern times with Frank Boas and is just now starting to die off. Don’t get caught trumpeting a dead philosophy.
I was chatting with a group of regular folks just the other day and the topic of 911 came up . I would say that out of the ten people that were present most thought that 911 was an inside job of some kind.
The group was made up of regular middle class folks of various types and not WN’s or anything like that, so I really think the conspiracy kook label thing shows some bias.
@Trenchant:
When you look at footage of those planes you are undoubtly seeing CGI. I remember having seen one video in which a plane flew in front of a cable hanging in the foreground, a physical impossibility of course. This was so obvious that I wondered how these people could be so stupid, but I think I now understand. It was all a PSY-OP meant exactly to start a discussion of : fake images > no planes > holograms and thus to discredit alternative theories. That has been partly a success as can be seen from the discussion we are having now. Those folks were more clever than I thought but we can even figure that out.
My attitude towards 911 is that I don’t know what happened although I think that there are some obvious and “usual” suspects.
I think that the official version is not believable, to say the least. A legit investigation is in order although not gonna to happen unless there is big change in the established regime we live under.
@John hearns:
That’s interesting, what was the setting? I never hear anything positive about it, except one guy I know, but everyone disagreed with him the one time he brought it up in a bar.
But, shouldn’t the focus be on 911 being an Israeli inspired or Mossad supported operation? By calling it an “inside job”, doesn’t that make it sound like White people in the US did it? That is the general impression that most 911 Truthers give – that it was Americans who did it.
Shouldn’t you at least push the suspicion to the Jews?
@Franklin Ryckaert:
OK, just help me understand what you are saying. Are you saying the planes never existed, that they were purely CGI inventions? This is not a trick question. I understand that, apparently, you don’t believe in holograms, but you do believe there were no actual planes crashing on that day, but instead, this was a computer generated hoax using technology on TV. Is that right? I just want to make sure I have the theory right.
@John Hearns
Most of my friends in New York City, who range from far left liberal to Ron Paul type conservatives, are sympathetic to the “9/11 Inside Job” idea, to one degree or another. Certainly, among those directly affected by 9/11, including virtually every single FDNY I have spoken to about the issue, most are very much in the “probably an inside job of one kind or another” category.
It’s telling that Jews tend to be the most skittish about the issue; regardless of what actually happened, everyone knows it was “good for Israel” – even Rudy Giuliani himself declared something to the effect of “we are all Israelis now” immediately after 9/11, and declared New York the “sister city” of Jerusalem the day of the attack, in a phone call to the Israel PM.
Hell, a Jew even made an “anti-conspiracy documentary” just two years or so after the events, mostly to try to contain the damage caused by the revelation that Odigo, the Israeli messaging company, had warned their (mostly Israeli/Jew) subscribers not to come to work that day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IuCGwwxMs
Most of my friends in New York City, who range from far left liberal to Ron Paul type conservatives, are sympathetic to the “9/11 Inside Job” idea, to one degree or another. Certainly, among those directly affected by 9/11, including virtually every single FDNY I have spoken to about the issue, most are very much in the “probably an inside job of one kind or another” category.
I am amazed at the wide variety of people who you would not think would be talking about “conspiracies” that do just that. I was chatting with a very conservative middle aged woman and a former high school art teacher and sge was telling me how she was a ” no planer” which means she thinks that the buildings were taken down and the tv footage was a CGI mock up.
These are wild times for sure when nice proper women are “conspiracy kooks”
@John hearns:
I have something in moderation responding, but let me say, I do agree more investigation is needed, I would point that investigation towards Mossad and/or Israel more than the “inside job” idea. I’m not saying that because I am shilling for the CIA or hate Mossad, but because if there was something fishy going on, including a willingness to kill 3,000 Americans, it is most likely to be carried out by non-Americans.
And in my post that’s in moderation, I said it made more sense to push suspicion to the Jews, but that is not putting it well, since obviously “the Jews” (millions of them) didn’t all cooperate in some grand conspiracy. I meant, Mossad or something like that. I have no evidence for that and make no claim it is true, but if I had resources, I would be looking that way.
@Franklin Ryckaert
The famous youtube atheist/Christianity-critic “Edward Current” took the actual footage of the WTC7 demolition, added some hokey special effects “flames” and got some ostensible “9/11 conspiracy theorists” to spread it around online as “real.”
There’s really no end to the lies about the 9/11 attacks, because if Israel was involved (and likely, they were) it’s pretty much a life-and-death issue for them.
Again, it’s really just a matter of time. Like the bombing of the King David Hotel, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the ridiculous “Youseph Al-Katab/Joseph Cohen” the equally ridiculous “Adam Gadahn/Adam Pearlman” and the other “Jews dressing up like Muslims” false flag attacks, they get less and less believable as time goes on.
The Jew TV media monopoly has been broken, once the TV generation dies off, there will be virtually zero support among White Americans for some fanatic Jew state half way around the world.
@Jason Speaks: On holograms, you won’t find any comments supporting that view from me, no matter how much searching you wish to do. I wouldn’t like to see you wasting a lot of time down that dead-end.
I believe that the various “planes” seen on live TV, and later, courtesy of the “amateur” photographers are simply CGI. The technology wouldn’t have presented any technical problems in 2001, as per this demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc
@Trenchant:
OK, sorry to have accused you of the holographic thing. I do believe the planes existed, however. I don’t think they were CGI effects. I think it’s very farfetched, to say the least, but, anyway, I know what you believe now.
@Jason Speaks: I should say, I the explosions and collapse were real, and nor do I understand just how destruction was effected. I just the planes were inserted to make the narrative hold up. “Shock and awe”, indeed.
Insert “believe” in the above, to stop me torturing English.
@Rich Pearson:
Again, it’s really just a matter of time. Like the bombing of the King David Hotel, the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, the ridiculous “Youseph Al-Katab/Joseph Cohen” the equally ridiculous “Adam Gadahn/Adam Pearlman” and the other “Jews dressing up like Muslims” false flag attacks, they get less and less believable as time goes on
Yes, the 911 false flag theory is not so far fetched when you note the pattern.
What is extremely far fetched is that arabs with box cutters caused not one but two of the largest steel buildings in the entire world to fall perfectly into their own foot prints by hijacking and then navigating planes to crash in to the buildings ( and one other very large steel building fell down by itself )
The official version way beyond far fetched.
@John hearns: Real planes’ fuselages are incredibly fragile – get a wing-seat and watch them bounce in turbulence. Here’s a Hollywood stunt with a real plane and a real truck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x1RSUeFzTEY
@Jason Speaks
TOO is an important site, and certainly the comments section is an opportunity for the views of newcomers and visiters to be reflected in such way there is a sense of resonance.
However, if the commenting goes downhill, no need to worry too much. It’s the articles that matter the most. The vast majority of readers do not comment, and will have as much experience as anyone else of the ups and downs of comment sections
I imagine that with all the implausible 911 truther stuff, the affectations by some of wanting to explain why WN’s have got it all wrong, the bickering and discord, the vast majority of TOO readers will just respond by reading the comments less. That’s what I’m doing.
People will sample from time to time, and when things are looking up again, will restart reading.
The point I’m making is that while comments are potentially a positive, they don’t have much potential to be a negative. When people arrive here, they already think they know (from the mainstream media) the WN space is packed out with loons. They are always going to be in for a pleasant surprise on that score, our share of loons notwithstanding.
It’s hard to sully the word truth. I don’t find “truther” any more denigratory than “denier”.
@Mickey Meadows:
That’s a great point, thanks. I was thinking just today that what we need are more WN sites. We should all find a way to create a site or two. The more that are out there, the more likely it is for white people to come cross one of them. Plus it makes it harder for our opponents to police us. The more sites the SPLC and ADL have to monitor the more their resources are stretched.
And also coming up with different styles of WN might be useful. There are different flavors of WN, after all. This would help throw off the opposition since they would not have one simple type to get rid of.
I’m sure some people worry about anonymity and I don’t know what the options are for that. Some people don’t mind being known and some, for professional reasons would like to remain unknown. It’s a legitimate concern because many people are wary of putting personal information out on the Internet. Also, I don’t know about the laws in places like Germany or Australia, some of them have “hate laws” that people might want to avoid. Maybe someone can enlighten us on that aspect.
Anyway,I would certainly encourage any of our posters to create a blog or whatever they feel like – I think it’s pretty easy if you do a simple wordpress or blogspot site.
hey trenchant ,
It’s simply absurd to think that those aluminum planes pierced the buildlings as shown on tv, let alone knocking them down. They call tv ‘the boob tube’ for a reason.
@Trenchant:
Have you ever thought about putting up a pro-white site from a libertarian perspective? Something that combined white advocacy and the Austrian school? It might be nice to have a blog that combined a lot of resources and links from that viewpoint – plus it might be a way to “catch” new people that would normally find themselves on a WN site.
There’s nothing more touching than two concerned posters in deep discussion . They have an important job to do by keeping the loons from hurtin’ the ratings .
In fact, the concerned ones are worth the price of admission in of themselves since their heart felt concern posts are so entertaining . The ratings should go through the roof.
@Trenchant:
I think there was almost certainly a 911 conspiracy involving Israel. But it’s about judgements as to what sort of operation would have been feasible and desirable – from the perspective of the conspirators.
The reality is that having learned of some Arab pipe dream to hijack commercial planes for suicide missions, if a nation saw it as hugely in its interest should that plan come to fruition, what would be desirable would be a small, low key but focused and well resourced operation simply aimed at improving the odds of success.
A well aimed shove here and push there can hugely change the odds. Just recently a small team of British secret service operating with little more than phone lines and an internet connection, dramatically changed the odds in Libya.
This is because the team was backed up good analysis and intelligence on the ground. They were able to identify the key junctures where relatively small shifts could result in large shifts in the strategic landscape.
A team like that monitoring the arab conspiracy would be focused on reducing the chance of detection by US intelligence, for example simply by every time there was a high risk moment, destroying the focus of the relevant desk with a rash of spurious alerts.
Indeed in the weeks and days before the attack the US security people were running around after ‘noise’ like headless chickens.
You don’t need much more than that to massively change the odds. You don’t want much more than that unless absolutely vital…because doing more adds more risk.
I think it is actually possible that the twin towers and building 7 saw some wiring for explosives. This is because, while it is totally implausible to wire for demolition properly, in fact doing that wouldn’t even be necessary, for one thing because they would know that aeroplanes were going to be smashing into the buildings. One floor nicely wired would have been good…with a good chance of being the straw that breaks the camels back.
Building 7 is the main reason for speculating about this. If building 7 was wired this would actually suggest that the team in place to ‘improve the odds’ had limited intelligence in that they knew it was the WTC but didn’t know for sure which buildings would be hit.
If things went that way, then it’s easy to envisage that after the twin towers came down there would have been some panic and indecision in the conspiritor camp, in that building 7 had been wired but hadn’t been hit by anything. Bringing it down would cause suspicion but leaving it up risked the explosives being discovered which would be a disaster.
In final judgement IMHO there probably wasn’t explosives. But as outlined above, something minimal is plausible.
There…that’s a grounded, realistic, concept of a 911 conspiracy. The betrayal and treachery is no less for accomplishing something like that in a low key intelligent way. In a way it’s worse.
@ Franklin Ryckhart
@ Rich Pearson
@ Trenchant
Ever since Rob Lonaker and Lasha Darkmoon wrote two articles for this site, questioning the politically correct view that Osama bin Laden and his 19 Arabs brought America to its knees in a single morning in September 2001, no further discussion of this issue has been seen on the Occidental Observer.
This is obviously because people like Jason Speaks and Someday, self-described White Nationalists who claim to speak for the majority of Whites, raise a hue and cry whenever such articles are published on TOO.
Maybe they have even issue veiled threats to withhold their future donations to TOO if Kevin MacDonald should continue to publish such offensive and “kookie” material — which, they allege, is alienating future recruits to the WN movement and doing it immense damage.
It was obviously for this reason that Darkmoon’s article “America Vanquished”, in which she clearly states her belief that Mossad and elite US Zionists were behing 9/11, could not have been published on the Occidental Observer. It therefore had to be published elsewhere, undoubtedly to Darkmoon’s deep regret. It appeared first on rense.com, I believe, a site Jason Speaks is constantly attacking for its “nutzi conspiracy theories”.
I’m not blaming the Occidental Observer for its caution in refusing to go near such artcles. The truth is, TOO must be very careful to draw a fine line somewhere.
Though it permits occasional articles expressing doubts about the official view of 9/11, it is clearly reluctant to publish articles alleging direct Jewish involvement in 9/11. That’s going one step too far.
As far as TOO is concerned, that’s a red line that must not be crossed.
Here are the opening paragraphs from “America Vanquished” in which Darkmoon states her honest belief that 9/11 was a false flag operation:
http://www.darkmoon.me/2011/america-vanquished-part-2-america-under-jewish-rule-by-dr-lasha-darkmoon/
Though this article, regrettably, was never to appear on TOO, it was widely published elsewhere. It has since been translated into French and Italian.
@Trenchant: Nor do I.
I have long believed that the utter absence of any cellphone or regular photographs or even a frame or two of amateur video—not government-issued animations—of either of the planes heading into the WTC is a critical piece of anecdotal evidence that strongly supports the Truther stance. Are we truly to believe that not even a single individual on the Jersey City side of the Hudson or across the East River in one of the dozens of downtown Brooklyn offices that face lower Manhattan ever thought to grab a camera, especially after the first, shall we say, “impact”? Or are we to believe that the FBI, NSA, DIA, and Mossad rounded up every last scrap of photographic material in the interest of “national security’? Surely something exists outside captivity to confirm the solemn word of our Hebraic masters!
In addition, I decline to accept the assertion that Morgan Reynolds, one of the smartest men I have ever spoken to, is a crank or a lunatic and must be ignored or silenced. Perhaps he is wrong, but he’s not crazy.
I am by no means an uncritical defender of Darkmoon. The lady has many serious faults. The chief of these is a weakness for sensational and apocalyptic pronouncements. She would do well to sober up.
@Winterlight:
LOL. There you go with your irony again. Actually I encourage more investigation into 911, especially things going on behind the scenes. That is to say, I would like to focus to be much more on Mossad not less so. I don’t find this CGI graphic concept is viable. What I would look into is foreknowledge by Israel as well as behind-the-scenes logistical support to unwitting patsies. That would actually incriminate Israeli Jews much more then the “inside job” idea. And my financial support is tiny by the way
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Re: Jason Speakes possibly being a Jew.
WTF cares? What is the point of Jew-baiting him? To show off what great “Jewdar” folks on this board have?
It’s possible a poster may be a Jew; it’s also possible that a poster may be a White who is sympathetic to WNism, but is somewhat Judaized. With the influence Jews wield in virtually every aspect of life these days, I don’t see how it’s possible for any one to be completely invulnerable to this pervasiveness.
We need to focus on the argument and if it is stupid or specious or incorrect, that needs to be addressed, not any possible racial motivations of the person posting it.
@Jason Speaks:
Jason, it is a mistake to think opportunistic Jews like the WTC building owner were the only beneficiaries. Yes, Israel had a little problem with Sadaam Hussein rewarding the families of Palestinian suicide bombers $25K.
But thanks to GATT and NAFTA, the only two industries left in the USA at the time was the housing industry and the military industrial complex.
@Clytemnestra:
hear hear, well said. This is the only counter measure that cannot itself be an enemy tactic (i.e. accusing people of being enemy trolls is itself a powerful enemy tactic)
Trenchant, March 13, 1:54 am, said “Shock and awe”, indeed. Maybe what, in fact, was said was “Shekinah”. An exclamation that was made on 19 March 2003 at the bombs bursting over Iraq and possibly also on 9/11. What do you think, Jason? Someday? Ellin?
@Jason Speaks: I don’t think normal people feel compelled to comment the way the Nutzis do. There is no ulterior motive to the endless rambling of Nutzis IMO, it is just a symptom of their mental problems.
Normal people come to read the posts and learn, their comments are rational. Hence rigorous comment moderation and bans would not affect rational normal people. TOO could be rid of the Nutzi parasites at no cost .
@Mickey Meadows:
I think even White Nationalists have admitted that Negroes have been trend-setters in this country, but Jews have set their own pop culture trends as well.
I know that White Nationalists have seen Jewish hegemony as a totally deleterious to the country, but look at the recent popularity of Seinfeld, for example, not to mention Jon Stewart’s current popularity.
Whether people at this board want to accept this or not, there are a lot of Americans who like Jews and even admire them, to a certain extent. There is some blowback right now, thanks to the NeoCons and the bankers, but America grew up with Uncle Miltie, Jack Benny, Sid Caesar, etc.
No matter what cut-throat deals they leveraged in private, the studio heads publicly wooed Christian America with Charlton Heston playing Old and New Testament heroes. Not to mention all the Holocaust dramas they’ve churned out.
I’m not saying every American is as pathological about Jew-worship as the Christian Zionist Rapture Bunnies, but even in Nazi Germany, Goebbels was complaining about the number of Germans who had “salt of the earth” Jewish friends who were the exception to Hitler’s Antisemitic take on them and America still remains a largely Philosemitic country.
Unless White Nationalism focuses on addressing Anti-White American agendas as behavior that is harmful to the country rather than an ethnic issue, then they are going to have problems getting their message out.
@Someday:
What are you suggesting? Censorship? And who would determine who is “rational and normal” and who is a “Nutzi”? Mr. Someday and his colleague Jason perhaps? “Rational and normal”=pro-Israel and pro-Jewish, while “Nutzi”= anti-Israel and anti-Jewish parasitism, is that your criterium?
What do you say, Herr Kommissar?
@Rich Pearson: I find the questions posed by Judy Woods interesting, and do believe that something quite novel and inexplicable to those not involved in the attack was used. That’s the extent of my position on the actual destruction – curious but agnostic.
The belief in cut-in CGI planes doesn’t require any leap of faith in any technical sense, however. It is credible only to the extent that it is hard to imagine the chutzpah of hijacking a narrative and not a plane, and getting away with it. So in short, my epiphany is not about how the towers were brought down, but the collusion of the MSM.
Of course, if my cynicism be kooky, then that reflects ill only on me, not on any of the good folks here.
Errata corrige: “It is INcredible only to the extent…”
Gotta laugh.
@Franklin Ryckaert: It’s actually ‘criterion’ not ‘criterium’. For some reason, you latinized it. What next? Adolf was into burritos? (ton perneis)
@Pierre de Craon:
Are we truly to believe that not even a single individual on the Jersey City side of the Hudson or across the East River in one of the dozens of downtown Brooklyn offices that face lower Manhattan ever thought to grab a camera, especially after the first, shall we say, “impact”? Or are we to believe that the FBI, NSA, DIA, and Mossad rounded up every last scrap of photographic material in the interest of “national security’? Surely something exists outside captivity to confirm the solemn word of our Hebraic masters!
Well, you must believe that or you are a “nutzi” and you should be censored according to some concerned ones.
It’s all about the ratings, you know. It’s kind of like reality tv on TOO and we need viewership and to heck with ratings sapping tough questions like the one you pose. Just post stuff that “normal people” will like to read and maybe we will get a golden globe or something really great like that.
by the way, people did not need to grab a camera , very many people had cell phones on 911 and you know how people just love to take cell phone pics.
That is why you don’t hear much crap about UFO’s or sasquatch or the loch ness monsterator in the past 2o years , because people know damn well most everyone has a cell phone and there has got to be some pics.
Anyone whose done a bit of scraping away at the orthodox Holocaust history will recognize that trickery with photography is a very effective part of the Jewish arsenal. The Warsaw Ghetto boy, an exemplary case.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14n2p6.html
@Trenchant:
Errata corrige: “who’s….”
@Ellin:
Ah, prepi na diakrinome ta kriteria, alla stin glossa mou (Ollandika) afti i lexis grafete criterium ochi criterion, dia touto to lathos mou.
Pictures of Cameron and Obama in casual wear walking away from aeroplanes.
The ever needy British (establishment) being feted and sexed up.
Looks like war.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Censorship is time consuming, best to eliminate the problem at source. I suggest that the policy should be that comment must be relevant to the post, those who disregard the instructions should face irreversible consequences. For example, the endless irrelevant rambling about 9/11 in comments not on articles about that subject, and puerile accusations against anyone who objects, are turning TOO into a madhouse and seriously damaging the credibility of the whole site.
New rules should be announced and then strictly enforced Anyone who wants to talk about a subject that is not being covered in the articles can write their own article and submit it to TOO, but anyone who persists in making comments that break the new rules should have their IP banned. Rational normal people will be won for the site once the commenting problem is dealt with.
@John hearns:
May I suggest that the real debate is whether or not the posts, in general, discuss the article or advance the white agenda. I never gave the 9//11 debate any thought at all, mostly because I lack the technical background to make an intelligent judgement, but also because to me it is merely a case of direct or indirect responsibility.
It was not until Pierre’s well reasoned appeal to something that I can make a reasonable judgement on that I even considered the issue. This is, in part, because of the particular post, but in larger part, because I have come to have real respect for his intelligence and good judgement. We do not agree on everything, nor ever will, (he is a Yankee, poor man) but I certainly pay close attention to any post he makes.
There are far too many posts here than are no more than childish taunts and name calling. This is a site that attacks people because of Dr. MacDonald’s intellectual honesty. It would be nice if those who post here refrained from making a joke of the reputation he has worked so hard and so long to build up, by demonstrating that his followers are foolish.
@Alice Teller:
attracts not attacks GRRRRR
All American presidents soon decide that it is a pain to be president here, but it is fun to be president of the world. Maybe Obama is making a bid for his next job. This is curtsey of the Reverend Wright.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-wright-reportedly-endorses-radical-march-on-jerusalem-to-end-the-israeli-occupation/
@Alice Teller:
May I suggest that the real debate is whether or not the posts, in general, discuss the article or advance the white agenda.
IMO, 911 is an extremely significant event/factor in creating the climate that surrounds obama and the policies that he must puppet to when he grovels before AIPAC, and also that understanding the mega-crimes of whites greatest adversary is essential to advancing the white agenda. It’s all very important and relative.
You would have to be a kook if you would argue that 911 is not, by far, the single biggest event in terms of effect on American Israeli Political Affairs in the past decade,or that it will be for decades to come.
only the holycost could be considered to be more important to AIPA .
@John hearns:
I never suggested that 9/11 was unimportant. I suggested that calling people with with whom you disagree, or who merely do not share your sense of urgency, silly names does not advance either the clarity regarding 9/11, the white freedom cause or this site.
We all know the stereotypes of white nationalism. Some we may embrace with pride, there are I others will not be associated with and which do us far more harm than good. It is not about ratings, it is about decent, adult, civil behavior.
@Alice Teller:
I suggested that calling people with with whom you disagree, or who merely do not share your sense of urgency, silly names does not advance either the clarity regarding 9/11, the white freedom cause or this site.
Yeah, censoring comments on 911 would clarify 911 where as posting about 911 does not ?
and would nutzi or loon or kook be a silly name ? who are the silly name callers ?
and I am not certain that we are on the same forum ?
Actually, maybe a separate forum on TOO could be set up for people to discuss 911 theories. Maybe set up a new one every month or whatever. That way, people would know where to go to present new ideas or engage in that debate, while leaving the other threads clean.
@Trenchant:
Your theory is ludicrous. There are hundreds of cameras all over New York City and New Jersey; are you saying the tribe somehow managed to take footage from all these cameras, add CGi planes to them, and then release them to the news media an hour or two later?
Furthermore, what’s the point? Why fake a bunch of plane hijackings and risk getting that story debunked in the media when you can just do the hijackings for real? You don’t think the Mossad has the ability to hire Muslims to do their dirty work for them? Your theory is pointlessly complicated, like a Bond movie.
@John hearns:
We certainly do not seem to be communicating well. I am not advocating censoring the issue of 9/11. I pointed out in reference to Pierre’s comment that it was his approach that made me reconsider an issue I was not previously interested in. Nor have I called anyone any names. I am advocating for a measure of self-censorship and discipline as well as a sense of the appropriateness of the forum. It might help if we all, occasionally, took a deep breathe, and asked if we have any common cause that ought to take priority to our emotions of the moment. I am not suggesting that you are guilty of this. We all fall into this trap sometimes, because we are angry and frustrated and feel like we are censored non stop. All of this is true and may need expression, but this is not the proper place.
@fender: The “amateur” footage just happened to be provided by industry hands, not by disinterested third parties. The objections you pose (quite reasonable on the face of it, I might say) are addressed here:
http://goo.gl/EqXgf
@Trenchant:
Look, in order for this theory to work, we would have to accept that the Israelis believed that no New Yorkers- out of millions- would be watching the twin towers closely when the missiles/whatever hit them- twice- and that those who did see the missiles could be easily tricked into thinking that what they saw instead were jumbo jets.
We would also have to accept that the Israelis successfully managed to trick the FFA into thinking that four planes had been hijacked, which means tampering with their computer tracking systems and communications. Not just the FAA but the airlines as well.
All of this would be completely pointless. With this theory, the Israelis would have so much ground to cover: witnesses, FAA guys, airline execs, media people, SFX guys, etc.. With actual hijackings there’s almost nothing that they themselves would have to do. Don’t you see? It’s pointlessly complex.
Millions of eyewitnesses to the first, unexpected hit?
Look, I don’t know what your thoughts are on the Holocaust, but to me, the modus operandi seems very similar. A few shoddy props added to a substantially true story, mixed with media spin, and objectors marginalized by hate-crime laws and pleas to respect victims’ pain. With so many eyewitnesses to the gas-chambers, the story is incontrovertible!
@fender: Oh, one other thing, I don’t believe that the operation was Israeli only.
Actually, maybe a separate forum on TOO could be set up for the concerned people who think it is bad for ratings to discuss 911 theories. Maybe set up a new one every month or whatever. That way, people would know where to go to present new ideas or engage in that debate, while leaving the other threads free for posters to discuss what they sincerely think is important.
@John hearns:
Well yes, that is fine, or it could all be in the same combined forum. Maybe have 2 or 3 forums that are dedicated to these recurring topics.
@Jason Speaks:
well JS , I do think that it is important that people can post what they sincerely feel important to any given subject. I think I made the case that 911 is very important to AIPA and therefore this subject.
I think that your constant concern is the real detriment to these forums ( could you be any more of a constant pain ? ) So that I think that it is your concerns that should be contained in separate forum , that way it would avoid the constant bickering that your concerns create. ( did you notice that you constantly create bickering?)
hey trenchant , the link between 911 and the holocaust is THE KEY .
It is heartening that you ‘get it’ .
@John hearns:
No, I just notice that you accuse me of it, because, well you jump to criticizing people’s motives almost immediately. But that is neither here nor there. I’m not saying 911 talk may not have been legitimate on this thread, I’m just saying it is one of several topics that keep coming up when it isn’t related to the topic at hand. I’m not saying rigorously ban all such discussion, I’m just saying have a forum dedicated to it where most of the detailed technical discussion can take place.
And look, I get it, someone told you about “concern trolls”, and you think it’s some awesome concept that explains everything. As I have said a million times, I have never heard of trolls moving WN sites toward the mainstream, they almost always encourage illegal discussion. That happened in WN groups in the past, as well as the militia movement in the 1990s. So, a troll is most likely to push you toward something that discredits the site or toward illegal activity. There have been several proven examples of federal agents and informants that worked to get people in trouble. Please try and think of one example of a federal agent trying to make a White group more “reasonable”. I can’t think of one.
@John hearns:
Whoops, I meant to say, 911 talk may have been legitimate on this thread, as well as others. It’s a topic of some interest by all sides, so it pops up on a lot of articles that are not related to it.
JS, I don’t think you are a concern troll , but then who knows . I just think you are a concerned pain.
I do think that understanding what truly happened on 911 is extremely important to advancing the white cause and you don’t. We disagree , but that is not going to stop me from posting what I feel important .
You do know that you actually enable more 911 discussion by bating those who think it important , don’t you ? So why not just avoid provoking those who think it important? ( those who ‘get it’, IMO )
BTW , JS , I don’t think a troll would be effective on here if that troll were pushing for extremism or violence . I think that the best a troll could do would be to try to steer the discussion .
But , I still don’t think you are a concern troll . But , who knows except you . Maybe I am a concern troll , except that I’m not concerned other than to let people be free to post what they want. I love the freedom of thought in these forums. Let’s keep it that way.
Trenchant, the whole ‘holocaust’ story is a huge lie starting with its very name, death in a great conflagration.
Read Debating The Holocaust by Thomas Dalton, Ph.D, available from Amazon.
Ellin, in your case you have never shown any mental energy or capacity at all. We can agree there.
@Someday:
As is said “like attracts like”, this website of an intellectual WN character attracts intellectual WN’s. When such people comment it is mostly interesting. When sometimes comments drift into an off-topic direction, it is mostly on topics that are interesting for WN’s anyway. Real trolls who talk nonsense are very rare here, so why bother? Your proposal to rigorously ban all off-topic commenters smells of censorship. Add to this your idea that “resposible” WN’s should be pro-Israel and your denial of any wrong doing of Jews in the past make me suspect that you are a Jew who tries to take control over this website in order to steer it in a direction that is “good for the Jews”.
Bear in mind that most people here are sufficiently Jew-wise to prevent that from happening.
Shalom,.
@Jason Speaks:
Such a catholic site as you describe is already up and running – The Last Ditch. One of their pens, Andy Nowicki, numbers among the TOO contributors. If the name weren’t sufficiently self-explanatory, there is a mission statement. http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/whowe.htm
Sanguine it ain’t. ☺
@Marcy Fleming: Is that what passes for a witty response in the trailer park where you live?
@Franklin Rijckaert: Ah Dutch. Clogs, dykes, Edam, a guttural language that makes German sound musical, prostitutes in shop windows, and a female population besotted with North Africans. No wonder you take refuge in the Greek language! (ton … no, I’ll let you off this time – you’ve got enough problems as it is)
What does it matter where Marcy lives? If she has something interesting and important to say – and I think she does -let us hear it. You are an insufferable snot, Ellin. And your cohorts – I don’t believe for a moment that you are Greek – are the prime movers of widespread poverty for other people and for one of poverty’s consequences, poor living conditions. Go for a swim in your gold plated bathtub, sweetie.
@Franklin Ryckaert: How many people do you think have become convinced of the verity of White nationalism by reading your comments? Yes, “sometimes comments drift into an off-topic direction” , no one is complaining about that. It’s those who do not come here with no intention of discussing the articles, I object to. The endless rambling on and on about 9/11 in off topic comments at TOO makes a very bad impression on the uncommitted visitors who stumble on the site. I don’t expect you to care about TOO, it’s just another platform for you to piggyback one. The advantage is you can piggyback on the credibility Kevin MacDonald has a of an once part of your every site. And you seem to have unlimited time Google search:Franklin Ryckaert 2012 9/11.
Rational-minded white people (the kind TOO it trying to enlighten) are going to be put off by your speculative conspiracy theories being presented as proven fact, with anyone who disagrees being called an enemy agent. Either you don’t understand that or you don’t care.
@Trenchant:
Thanks for the link to The Last Ditch. Interesting site. You are a treasure.
@Someday:
What you are essentially saying is :
1) I come here only to “ramble” about 9/11 and other conspiracy theories.
2) I call anyone who disagrees with me an enemy agent.
3) That repells rational minded White people.
4) My comments do not contribute much to the cause of WN.
5) I seem to have unlimited time (suspicious!).
My answers are :
1) “Rambling” about 9/11 and other conspiracy theories is only a very small part of my comments, certainly not more than that of other regular commenters.
2) I raised suspicion only about Jason (Speaks) and you (that is why you protest so much) and in this I am not alone.
3) Rational minded White people are also interested in other things that are happening in the world. 9/11 changed everything both in the US and in the world. From a WN point of view the wars after 9/11 are part of what Steve Sailer calls the “invade-invite” policy of the US. No small thing.
4) My comments have always been consistently pro-WN (and yes that implies anti-Jewish Globalist Agenda). I have got often compliments from other commenters.
5) Yes, I do have unlimited time. I am retired. Reading and commenting is my life. Your research on that is suspicious “agent-like” behaviour.
Your arguments are mainly bogus. Your real objection is that I exposed you as a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish hasbarist, but that is your own fault. You are not very sophisticated at hiding your real agenda. You will have to live with the idea of a growing population of WN who are fully aware of the Jewish question. It is happening here and all over the internet. Nobody can stop that.
@Solly: You cheapskate! What do you mean ‘gold plated’? It’s gold or nothing. Marcy-lover! Do you park next to her in the TP?
Yup. Gold plated tungsten bars at The Fed, and solid gold tubs for Ellin & Co. But you know, Ellin, you are welcome to it. Enjoy. I am happy that that has made YOU happy.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Franklin,
For what it’s worth, you have my full backing.
The glib assumption that everyone who comes to this website wants to read about White Nationalism — to the exclusion of ALL other subjects — is worthless.
Personally, I sometimes get bored reading about White Nationalism. Coming across a whole bunch of “irrelevant posts” dealing with 9/11, is, for me, coming across an oasis in a desert!
I actually welcome such distractions!
It seems to me that these Zionist trolls are remarkably unintelligent. They make ridiculous assumptions that no one in their right minds can accept. Chief among these are the stupid assumptions:
(1) That we should stick to the point at all time and eschew all “irrelevant” comments. Why? What if one LIKES irrelevancies … particularly “irrelevancies” more interesting than the subject matter being discussed? :)
Note that when the subject matter of two previous essays WAS 9/11 — by Rob Lonaker and L Darkmoon — Zionist trolls Jason Speaks and Someday REFUSED TO STICK TO THE POINT AND DISCUSS 9/11 !!!
(2) The bizarre idea that all new recruits to White Nationalism are repelled by 9/11 “conspiracy theories (like Someday and Jason Speaks) is equally worthless.
Most White Nationalists I know would be VERY suspicious of any website that FORBADE discussion of 9/11 “conspiracy theories” in order to APPEASE the Zionist trolls who had infiltrated it !!!
@Winterlight:
And I, for one, will third that. I like a break up in routine now and then. How much can one ‘stick to the point’, according to the wooden-faced one(s), as if they are the arbiters of what the point “is”.
How much can one read strictly comments about WN before it bores the shi-ite out of one?
Thanks, Solly. I just saw the ‘Grecian’ pygmy’s latest libel.
Am a lifelong native San Franciscan but if I had that choice
only, I’d rather live in an Arkansas trailer park than in an Athens pigsty. To quote Dean Acheson again, the modern Greeks bear no more relationship to the great ancient Greece than the current residents of Flatbush (Brooklyn) bear to the original inhabitants.
I lived in Tel Aviv for two years, loved it though I loathe Zionism and the Israeli government’s foreign and domestic policies. But there is more Hellenism in the secular Jewish culture in Tel Aviv than there is in all of Greece. The ruins
are the best thing about Greece and they are the best smelling part of Greece. Otherwise Greece is a stagnant backwater on a par with Serbia. In both countries excess dogs were gotten rid of by throwing them down wells.
Ah, ‘western’ civilization !
If you go to Israel stay out of Jerusalem the site of the three major religious cults of insanity. If we just isolate the fundies of all three and let them go at it that’s a Just War I could endorse.
By the way I’m Irish on Dad’s side and Ashkenazim on Mom’s.
Dad was a devotee of Joe McCarthy, the Birch Society and then Ayn Rand. Mom is a fourth generation Communist.
I should end this by admitting that we Jews may not be the pure race we were always told, the Sand book and others have caused great controversy in Israel and much debate.
Personally I would be relieved not to be descended from the ancient Hebrew tribes as they genocidally massacred many other tribes in the area, much of which is told in The Unholy
Bible. Many of these issues including Zionism are much more freely discussed in Israel than here. Even the Shoah Business
racket (‘holocaust’) is starting to make a stir there despite Stalinist anti-’denial’ laws.
This site seems like one of the few genuine free forums left.
@ Winterlight @ Blue Rose,
Thanks for the support. I wonder with what arguments our zionist friend Someday will come up next. Maybe he is consulting with Abe Foxman now. He is not too bright, so he might need some advice…
@Franklin Ryckaert: If someone has taken the time and trouble to write an article the comments should be relevant. No one has stopped you from writing an article for TOO about 9/11. You are a parasite who prefers infesting the comments of WN sites to doing any real work.
@Someday:
Says who?
@Someday:
Wow, that’s funny. Well, I would echo what another poster said and I think it’s true: Most people don’t look at the comments. Once I realized that, I realized the damage done by various obsessions is limited. Good comments do help – and bad comments probably don’t do much harm, after all. I would urge you to think about setting up a blog by the way, as I have been telling other posters. We need as many good pro-Whites sites as possible, from as many angles as possible.