The Solutrean Hypothesis

The Solutrean hypothesis of the first peoples to inhabit North America is getting positively respectable to the point that the Washington Post has deigned to publish a longish article on the topic (“Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago“). The occasion is the publication of a book by Dennis Stanford, an anthropologist at  the Smithsonian Institute and main academic advocate for the hypothesis (Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture). The basic idea is that settlers from Southern Europe managed to get to the East Coast of North America around 22,000 years ago, making them the first Americans by about 7000 years.  The hypothesis is based on finding several stone tools dated from 16000-22000 years ago that resemble tools found at European sites of the same age.

The hypothesis is certainly not nailed down yet. “Stanford acknowledges that his evidence is scant. He calls the Solutrean hypothesis ‘a skeletal idea.’”

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Nevertheless, it certainly presents a different scenario on the usual charges about evil Whites displacing the natives. In fact, it’s quite possible that the native Solutreans were wiped out by the numerically superior Asians, although Stanford favors an assimilation scenario. as discussed here:

The reason early Asians won out, evolving into the people now called Native Americans, was because their window of opportunity was much wider, 15,000 years versus just 4500 for the early Europeans. Thus the original Native Americans were either assimilated or killed by the large numbers of migrating Asians. Evidence that it was likely the former has been found in the DNA of skeletons of North American Native American people. Also, the language of several Native American tribes doesn’t seem to have originated from Asia. (“European style stone tools suggest Stone Age people actually discovered America .”)

White advocate Kyle Bristow has written a novel, White Apocalypse,  based on the Solutrean theory.

In White Apocalypse, a rogue anthropologist teams up with a proponent of the Solutrean Hypothesis and a fiery lawyer in order to reveal to the world the shocking truth that carries immense cultural, political, and racial significance: 17,000 years ago, white people immigrated to North and South America from Europe, and when the Amerindians arrived by crossing the Bering Strait roughly 12,000 years ago, the latter subsequently and systematically murdered the former. The powers that be will do everything that they can to prevent this controversial theory from being espoused by the trio, and during this action-packed, semi-fictional thriller, the epic adventure will take the advocates of historical revisionism from the forests of southeastern Michigan to a federal courtroom in Ohio, from the busy streets of Washington, D.C. to an Amerindian reservation in Virginia!

The priority of Europeans in North America is an important tool in battling with the forces of political correctness. However, the priority of “Native Americans” was never a strong argument anyway. Displacements of one group by another have been going on throughout history—as recorded, for example, in the Torah where the Israelites displaced the previously dominant peoples. The real lesson is that dominant groups must be vigilant in preserving their position. If left unchecked, the current onslaught of massive non-White immigration is going to eventually displace Whites, and there’s nothing that our current hostile elites would like more than having Whites eventually relegated to a few museum specimens, buried under an avalanche of hate. But Whites who are worried about it know what to expect from the powers that be. Just ask Pat Buchanan. It’s going to be a long, difficult struggle.

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45 Comments to "The Solutrean Hypothesis"

  1. tma_sierrahills's Gravatar tma_sierrahills
    April 11, 2012 - 5:16 pm | Permalink

    “Why would any of this have any relevance???
    Who cares who “came first”?”

    Our enemies do, armies of propagandizing school teachers do …

  2. March 15, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    X2 s way too young to be Solutrean, but is suspiciously high in the Orkneys. Together with the Mediterranean racial element past anthropologists identified in the Woodlands tribes and cultural parallels existing between Atlantic Europe and eastern North America at the same time, it makes me wonder if there’s a historical connection more recent than Solutrean (the Solutrean idea seems like a weak hypothesis to me IMO).

  3. PC's Gravatar PC
    March 6, 2012 - 6:16 am | Permalink

    @Julian Lee:

    Julien Lee wrote:

    Righto. Next time somebody raises the “Indian guilt” thing, hit them with this: “That was obviously karma.”

    Lefties are impressed by word “karma.”

    Me: I saw a bumper sticker that says:

    My karma ran over your dogma.

  4. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 5, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Even if the Europeans weren’t the first ones here, the accusations of leftists would still be irrelevant, because Whites developed the land and made it their own. There are no moral arguments when it comes to things like ownership. No one has a “right” to anything…or maybe it’s that everyone has a right to everything. Either way, something belongs to the person/people who had the means to attain it.

    The Jews own Palestine because they had the power to take it over. Arguments can be made from both sides about whose land it “originally” was, but in the end the Jews own it. But unlike the Europeans who conquered North America, the jews had countless billions of dollars, weaponry, and support given to them by many governments, as well as unceasing mass media propaganda in their favor. Americans never had that. All they had was their will, determination, and vision.

  5. Niceguy's Gravatar Niceguy
    March 5, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Here is a very touching video about the first Americans:

  6. Shiva's Gravatar Shiva
    March 5, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Look what Clinton had done to Kennewick Man site, the US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS dumped, to quote National Review’s John Miller:

    The Army Corps of Engineers dumped 500 tons of rock and gravel on a Columbia River discovery site. They did the same with 300 tons of dirt and logs near Kennewick, Washington. Lawsuits were filed to stop the Corps action which was approved by a group of American Indian activists.

    Politics buries a key archeological find.

    When the Army Corps of Engineers couldn’t make one of North America’s most exciting archeological finds go away, it decided to perform a massive cover-up operation. Literally. First it dumped 500 tons of rock and gravel from helicopters onto the Columbia River discovery site. Then the Corps layered the shoreline near Kennewick, Wash., with more than 300 tons of dirt and logs. Finally, it planted thousands of trees on top of the remade terrain, once a muddy beach. “The Corps destroyed as much as possible as fast as possible,” says geologist Tom Stafford. “It’s like they hit it with a nuclear bomb.”

    A group of scientists tried to stop the Corps. Two lawsuits were filed. Even Congress got involved. But the Corps-perhaps acting on orders from the White House-plowed away. As it buried the site last April, a group of American Indian activists looked on with approval, listening to the ceremonial taps of a tribal drum-beater.

    This is a great blog and he has written a novel that really expounds the Solutrean concept.
    http://solutreanliberationfront.blogspot.com/

    As KM noted this is a critical subject, they always tell us: GO BACK TO EUROPE, no, WE WERE HERE FIRST! This is the linchpin that destroys the “immigrant” argument.

    See also:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107418/Could-tools-belonging-Stone-Age-hunters-U-S-east-coast-finally-answer-really-discovered-America.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

  7. Anty Ep's Gravatar Anty Ep
    March 5, 2012 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    @Jett Rucker: Setting aside whether or not we can take the Old Testament stories as factually correct or not, it still depends on the city. Jerhico got the total extermination treatment you stated- man woman child and beasts of the field. Against other people they took women as spoils– MIdianites, for example, in Numbers 31– makes for some very gory reading; apparently they killed all the male children and babies, killed all the mothers but kept the virgins as spoils of war.

    Kevin MacDonald is right that this hypothesis, whether its borne out by further evidence or not, has currency in the public victim-game. Likewise he is also correct that in the end victim-status does not keep anybody on top.

  8. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    March 4, 2012 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Meanwhile, in a dozen states across Americans, whites are demonstrating their superiority. just decent people helping each other. That rather says it all Alice.

  9. WP.Tepes's Gravatar WP.Tepes
    March 4, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink
  10. Henry Baxley's Gravatar Henry Baxley
    March 4, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I agree. I am so tired of all the attempts to justify our survival, (read superiority)
    The fact is the settlers were superior and saw themselves as such. With no apologies. Can you imagine the pioneers sitting around discussing equal rights, integration, etc. and busing (wagon training)the little indian kids to white schools?
    Like it or not, whites will be supreme or perish. Because Nature does not recognize “equality” especially between total opposites like black and white, men and women. Of course our genes will live on in a darker stupider form. But we will cease to exist as WHITE people, due to the dominant black gene.

  11. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 4, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    It is important to remember that there are still communities like that all over America. Good people, none perfect, plenty of sinners, but people who have a sense of decency and self-determination. I guess they don’t make for very exciting TV.

  12. March 4, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    There are so many good White people in America and in the world in general; many or most of the them live a quiet life.

    I’m not really worthy to write about them. I love thinking about them though.

    A few days ago, I watched a few episodes of The Andy Griffith Show. I’m not sure where to begin. It was like stepping into heaven. I didn’t agree with some of the jokes or the values, but there were some heavenly moments.

    I watch virtually no television these days, but I watched those episodes — from 1966 (color episodes.) I mean they really did touch me, gave me a joyful hope, and a kind of sorrow at what is missing today — a real community.

    Thankfully most of the humor was gentle and not in-your-face or crude. (If you mute most sitcomes today, you can realize their jokes aren’t funny. The “laugh track” is a very powerful way for social engineers to get people to laugh at bad things, accept bad things.)

    A simple White town like Mayberry sounds so beautiful to me. I didn’t see one non-White person on the show.

    My comment is off-topic, but hopefully it will encourage others, cheer them up, remind them of the good things White people are capable of.

  13. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 4, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile, in a dozen states across Americans, whites are demonstrating their superiority. After devastating tornados, victims and volunteers gather in church for prayer, then go out and try to clean up and pick up the pieces. No whining, complaining, blaming the government – just decent people helping each other. A white man in his sixties, bites his lip, acknowledges that the complete loss of his home is ‘nearly more than I can bear’, thanks God that his family was spared, and gets to work. How much play will this get in the media?

  14. wattylersrevolt's Gravatar wattylersrevolt
    March 4, 2012 - 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Noam Chomsky enjoys beating White Americans over the head about Ameridian genocide. But just exactly were the Ameridians-North and South of the border-doing for 20 thousands years? Answer:exterminating each other for living space and the resources that came with control over living space. Lots of evidence for this..start with Chaco Canyon. Now combine this with the Soloutrean hypothesis. I am reading about the history of the Camanches..they were very adept in the extermination realm.
    When you consider the fact that the Jews are about to start nuclear WW3 in the middle east and that the old hebe Noam Chomsky argues for Native Born White American race-replacement at the hands of Ameridans who exterminated the first migrants to North America who quite possibly were European…well, I don’t know about you folks, but it is obvious that Jews are a mortal threat to the existence of European people.

  15. Dutchman's Gravatar Dutchman
    March 4, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Bobby,

    The colonial “smallpox blankets” story originates from an incident during Pontiac’s Uprising in 1763. General Amherst ordered the commander of Fort Pitt, which was under siege by Indians, to parlez with the besiegers and hand out some blankets from smallpox patients in hopes of weakening the Indian forces through sickness. This single incident from a bitter war has been blown out of proportion and greatly exaggerated by the Marxists.
    What the anti-Whites leave out of the story is that Amherst had learned of the destructive potential of smallpox after the fall of Fort William Henry in 1757. After the garrison of the fort surrendered to the French, the Indians treacherously attacked and massacred the defenders. During the massacre the Indians broke into the hospital to kill, scalp, and loot the patients. The indians also dug up many of the graves of men who had died of smallpox to mutilate and despoil the corpses. The Indians later brought their trophies and plunder back to their villages which, in an act of cosmic justice, were decimated by smallpox.
    So when some smarmy DWL pulls out the veneral ‘smallpox blanket’ accusation, mention the massacre at Fort William Henry and the divine vengeance meted out to the savages.

  16. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    March 4, 2012 - 4:55 pm | Permalink

    The DNA testing of the Windover bog site in Florida, which is 7,200 years old with 168 individual skeletens, reveals DNA not of native American but mostly European. Here’s a Youtube clip about the site and DNA results. I don’t know who created the documentary shown on the clip nor can I confirm the results, but nevertheless interesting.

  17. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    March 4, 2012 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

    @fender: I always amazes me, that the the left continues their lunatic accusations that Europeans impregnated blankets with germs and gave them to the Indians. (biological war,etc) Unfortunately this constant attempt of the lefts to create more hate, is shot down by the fact the germ theory wasn’t invented yet. The left in this country is insane.

  18. March 4, 2012 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Dr. MacDonald and all the commenters above.

    This site is a blessing; a place where White people gather to share their knowledge for the purpose of helping White people.

    The article and the comments underneath it are interesting. They are related to something that I’ve been thinking about lately — how much do we really know, especially about the distant past?

    Something I do know is… there is a force of evil in this world. And there is a lot of untruth woven into everything, it seems.

    Have a good Sunday, all.

  19. March 4, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    “Something like the Solutrean Hypothesis can only be useful where it adds to an already dynamic and aggressively growing narrative.

    Of course. Every article at TOO, for example, is one more bit to add to an already dynamic and aggressively growing narrative. Keep on revving up the wheel. Keep on stoking the fire.

    It’s a misconception IMHO to think the enemy narrative relies on any one concept,

    I don’t think anybody here has that misconception.

    The enemy narrative has to be kicked, cut, burned, broken, ruptured, bent, cut, monkeywrenched, sabotoged, reversed, flummoxed, spoiled, mocked, deconstructed, scattered, and deactivated at a great, great many places and points, obviously.

    But the emerging Solutrean findings are one more excellent development and we should weave it into our panoply of responses in various situations, surely.

  20. Bob's Gravatar Bob
    March 4, 2012 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

    This whole question of White guilt in regard to the settlement of the Western Hemisphere is ridiculous.

    At the time of the arrival of the “first” Europeans after Columbus (regardless whether one subscribes to that notion), the Amerindians were stone-age people. They did not possess metalworking skills.

    There is simply no way that a stone age society could offer any appreciable resistance to being vanquished by a civilization that is several thousand years their superior, even if the latter had made every reasonable effort to avert it.

    Even Wikipedia acknowledges that many parts of the world remained in the Stone Age until the age of European exploration. This includes North America, Australia and Oceania.
    Even the sub-Saharan Africans were less primitive in many ways than the aboriginals of these areas, due to their proximity, contact and trade with the Arabs.

    Some people wonder what the lives of cavemen were like. There is no need to wonder, because we have ample records of it, from the study of the North American and Australian natives’ recent histories.

  21. March 4, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    Another interesting bit of the puzzle. The “Indians” from the Eastern part of North America have softer facial characteristics than those of the plains or Pacific Coast. Genetic testing of some the East coast tribes has found traces of DNA that are associated with Europeans. How recently these have come into these tribes, I haven’t been able to find.

  22. March 4, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    A century ago, anthropologist Vilhjámur Stefánsson “found” the Copper Inuit, so named because they used copper tools. These people had Caucasian features, including blond hair. They had never seen a white man and their were no stories of any of their ancestors having seen a white man. I “discovered” this in one of his books in the early 1960s. This puzzled me, as I had never heard this mentioned in school. When I raised it in a history class, the usual no answers were given.

    Many years later when informing my children of this during their school years, they had never heard this mentioned in any of their classes.
    http://www.thearctic.is/articles/topics/legacystefansson/enska/kafli_0200.htm

    The evidence is all around us. Ancient mines in Michigan, the Missisippian mounds, the “abandoned” cliff dwellings, and other large artifacts do not fit with the Amerind cultures. Pre-Columbian art in Mexico shows white men being sacrificed, and it was said that the Mayans and Aztecs acknowledged their culture came from whites.
    Arthur Kemp’s assertions in “March of the Titans” seems to be bourn out with DNA testing in populations.

    I refrain from using the left/right or liberal/conservative paradigms when discussing these types of issues, for the simple reason that there are those who are labelled liberal or left that hold views that would be considered right or conservative (and vice versa) when it comes to anthropological matters. We do ourselves great harm in using labels dismiss others who may support us on some issues.

  23. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 4, 2012 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You know what the indian said to the Pilgrims as they got off the boat? Welcome back White man.

    On a more serious note, it’s really hard to tell how many times in pre-history (before written history) Whites settled or were stranded in the Americas.

  24. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    March 4, 2012 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    One other thing if I may (I side-tracked myself). I believe the history of the Aryan peoples will soon be one of the most fascinating areas for our folk – young and old alike – to delve into. It has largely been unexplored, but all the information is there, and it has both a Tolkein mystique and pride of heritage that will nourish the roots of our people. This article helps that become a reality.

  25. Farnham O'Reilly's Gravatar Farnham O'Reilly
    March 4, 2012 - 9:01 am | Permalink

    Yes, we shall have a long and difficult struggle. But, that’s what makes us strong! We shouldn’t want it any other way, which is part of our problem right now – we think we actually are being wronged and that we actually have a God-given right to have things they way they were, when in fact we have largely abdicated struggling and doing in favor of complaining and talking.

    But, as each day goes by we are doing more and talking less, and many of us are seeing quite a few signs that the tide is turning. The efforts on the part of Wyoming to have an independent economic base, the efforts of 17 states to model their banks after that of North Dakota, this website and its growing popularity – all these things and more are very, very encouraging.

    Even many of the most simple of souls are now actually weighing the specter of $10@ gallon gas against the benefits of supporting our gallant ally Israel, and they are finding the Jews wanting.

  26. ethnonationalism's Gravatar ethnonationalism
    March 4, 2012 - 7:24 am | Permalink

    Why would any of this have any relevance???
    Who cares who “came first”?

    The only important thing is that the United States were founded by Anglo-Protestants… Without them there would be no United States.

    Indians did not found the US, nor did these Southern Europeans who were supposedly there before them.

  27. White & Confederate's Gravatar White & Confederate
    March 4, 2012 - 6:56 am | Permalink

    I do accept the Solutrean Hypothesis as being reasonably established. But it is not a matter of whether the Amerindians committed genocide or whether assimilation occurred. It could certainly have been both. Those areas having relatively marginal populations of Europeans could have been wiped out absent a few women captives while those areas having a more substantial European population would likely have been gradually assimilated.

    ‘White Apocalypse’ was an entertaining yarn. One minor caveat is that bones don’t last thousands of years exposed to the air as provided in the book. At most bones exposed to air would have lasted a few hundred years depending on the presence of water. Bacteria and fungi would cause complete decomposition in that amount of time particularly in the moist environment of the eastern United States.

  28. Matthias's Gravatar Matthias
    March 4, 2012 - 5:08 am | Permalink

    The powers-that-be must regard any evidence for the Solutrean hypothesis as extremely dangerous considering the lengths they’ve gone to combat it – and from the highest levels. I’m sure many TOO readers remember the Clinton – Kennewick Man debacle as written about by the JWR in 2001:

    “The last classic Clinton cover-up

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com — YOU’VE heard of Monica’s old dress; the missing billing records; “is is;” and all those other clues to classic Clinton cover-ups. But have you heard of Kennewick Man?

    Perhaps the last–and positively the most literal–victim targeted for cover-up by the Clinton White House, the ancient skeleton known as Kennewick Man was ordered by former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt to be turned over last fall to a coalition of American Indian tribes for burial–and quick, before scientists managed to learn anything about him. Why? The answer to that very simple question takes us into one of those murky battle zones of the so-called culture wars where the irrational forces of political correctness have made destabilizing inroads into the vital preserve of free inquiry. (…)

    Indeed, American Indians could hardly claim their uniquely privileged “native” status if it were discovered that they were comparative newcomers to the continent. Clearly, Kennewick Man had to buried–both figuratively and literally.

    The Clinton administration seems to have agreed. First, the Army Corps of Engineers, which administers the land on which the skeleton was found, announced it would turn the remains over to Indian tribes for burial. This prompted eight prominent anthropologists, including two from the Smithsonian, to file suit to study the skeleton, a move which has put the big funeral on indefinite hold.

    But there’s more. In 1998, in an act of near-Talibanesque obliteration, the Corps, acting in concert with what a spokesman called “participation and interest at the Executive level,” dropped 500 tons of rock and dirt on top of the very spot along the riverbank where Kennewick Man had been found, effectively sealing the site against further study. The Corps likes to say it simply stabilized the site for scientists–like a cement pair of shoes cures corns–and, as Mark Lasswell reported in the Wall Street Journal, ensured, on behalf of Indian interests, “the protection of any additional skeletal material or cultural artifacts from further revelation.”
    (…)
    The Associated Press reported that their lawyers filed documents in federal court in Portland last week contending that the Clinton administration improperly tried to prevent their research “to avoid a debate over North America’s first inhabitants,” all the while maintaining what they called “inexcusable” contacts with the five Indian tribes that included “coaching the [Indian] coalition on how to plead its case.”

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0501/west042701.asp

    I bring this up not to consider any particular merits or demerits of Solutrean Hypotheses but rather to illustrate how seriously our enemies and their shabbos goy wretches take this subject. Perhaps our side should, too.

  29. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 4, 2012 - 4:43 am | Permalink

    @WP.Tepes:

    the original cause of differences in skin colour is still a mystery. We assume white is recent, but then again we also recognize that chimps are our closest relatives and chimps have white skin.

  30. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    March 4, 2012 - 4:35 am | Permalink

    @Julian Curtis Lee:

    Something like the Solutrean Hypothesis can only be useful where it adds to an already dynamic and aggressively growing narrative.
    It’s a misconception IMHO to think the enemy narrative relies on any one concept, which if only we could beat it down we would be free. E.g. the surprise Americans feel when they discover there is an equally powerful anti-white narrative in England despite there being no Native American angle. Then the surprise of the English themselves, when they discover there is an equally powerful anti-white narrative beating down on the people of some East Eurpean country that had nothing to do with colonialism.
    It’s not the specific component that matters, it’s the architecture…the structure.

  31. March 4, 2012 - 2:29 am | Permalink

    “That the Solutrean’s residence was denied permanence by Amerindian aggression surely puts them in the same position as the Amerindians who were conquered by modern whites.

    Righto. Next time somebody raises the “Indian guilt” thing, hit them with this: “That was obviously karma.”

    Lefties are impressed by word “karma.”

  32. Pilgrim's Pride's Gravatar Pilgrim's Pride
    March 4, 2012 - 1:49 am | Permalink

    @WP.Tepes:

    Thank you. Thank you for rekindling a memory of french moonlight at summer’s end … an unforgotten village … azure kiss, golden caress, no words convey… crisp air, clear, sweet air … embraces … amour … … the kiss of dew on trembling vignes … sunrise. Beauteous lover, each breath taking mine … sleeping softly, tenderly, among des vignes of her family, content for this morning she carries the seed of life.

  33. pessimist's Gravatar pessimist
    March 4, 2012 - 12:27 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    The Left’s narrative has always been aimed at dis-empowering the White majority and silencing their opposition. Truth and reality have no place in it.

    Heaven forbid that people learn the fact that some Indian tribes just ecologically devastated early America or others like the Anasazi(and Eastern Islanders) destroyed themselves through deforestation and cannibalism. Hardly people who lived in harmony with nature. In real life they extracted everything they could from a place and moved on. These people were so dumb they never even developed slash and burn agriculture let and were unable to invent the wheel.

  34. Pilgrim's Pride's Gravatar Pilgrim's Pride
    March 3, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Well, not to burst your perfectly cynical bubble but …

    http://store.discovery.com/ice-age-columbus-who-were-the-first-americans-dvd/detail.php?p=84844

    Which I myself purchased after watching it live on … The Discovery Channel.

    Huh. ‘magine that!

  35. March 3, 2012 - 10:54 pm | Permalink

    The Jews didn’t “displace” the people of Judea in the 12th Century BC. They slaughtered them – all of them, INCLUDING their livestock (which I HOPE they at least ate). Consult the Book of Joshua, among others – it’s all in the Old Testament, in terms that will positively raise your hair.
    Went right over your head in Sunday school, didn’t it? Pay attention, now!

  36. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 3, 2012 - 10:22 pm | Permalink

    @WP.Tepes:

    But isn’t it useful to show that there are factual flaws in the anti-white narrative that children are taught? All of my school years were filled with stories of how my ancestors had “stolen” the land from the brown people.

    Now, it is true that there is nothing wrong with conquering and if my white ancestors were better conquerors, well then, we were one of many conquering tribes stretching back to the beginning of time. So, I wouldn’t make the main claim that this continent belongs to whoever “got here first”. That could be asking for trouble and it doesn’t make any sense when are talking about time spans of 20,000 years.

    But, it does throw a monkeywrench in the anti-white narrative that the Left has thrown down for generations.

  37. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 3, 2012 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

    @Rolf Kraki:

    Yes, that noble savage idea has been perpetuated for generations now. Apparently, it goes back to the 17th or 18th century at least, and was very much a part of the Romantic period. It was, like almost everything that stemmed from Romanticism, goofy and wrong.

    All the evidence is that the further back you go into antiquity, on every continent on earth, the bloodier things get. The Mayans and Aztecs were not choirboys. I didn’t know the Eskimos (I mean Intuits) had a story that they had killed Vikings. That is fascinating. Getting the story out there of aggressive brown invaders killing off white settlers would it least counter the White Guilt narrative.

  38. Rolf Kraki's Gravatar Rolf Kraki
    March 3, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    On a related note, I think it was Andrew Hamilton’s recent article over at Counter-Currents, about the fallacy of the “noble savage”, that discussed the theory that Eskimos wiped out the failing Viking colonies in eastern Canada. It’s even part of the Eskimo’s(pardon me, Innuit’s) oral tradition!

  39. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    March 3, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    I think someone already posted RamZPaul’s hilarious take on this, but here it is:

    http://www.ramzpaul.com/2012/02/stone-age-hunters-from-europe.html

  40. WP.Tepes's Gravatar WP.Tepes
    March 3, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    How do we know that the Solutreans were “white”? Does this imply that they were blue eyed and blonde haired? What do we mean by “white” anyway? Is “white” a skin color, an eye color, a state of mind, a spirit of and desire for greatness?

    The diversification of European skin and color occurred at the end of the most recent ice age approximately 15,000 – 10,000 BP; which by definition, must be later than any migration west since the ice sheet connecting North America and Europe was the only land bridge that could have been used by the “Solutreans” to reach North America.

    Also, the Solutrean culture was located in southern France and northern Spain – would their descendents be considered sufficiently “white” by many modern day (USA) American WNs?

    Bottom line, all of us of Indo-European (aka, “Aryan”) light skinned descendent people (with admixture of various outsiders worthy enough as individuals to be assimilated into the ruling warrior elite) have more to worry about in the present and (what will happen in) the future, than to engage in futile arguments about the past.

    We need to re-learn why and how our “white” ancestors conquered North America (indeed, the entire world) over the last few centuries, vs. arguing about “who got here first”.

    FYI, for me, “white” is a spirit of and desire for greatness. Our ancestors were “white” in spirit before they were white in skin color, and conversely, some (many? most?) modern day WNs are not worthy of the label “white”.

  41. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    March 3, 2012 - 7:25 pm | Permalink

    As someone who is descended from people who began very early on the Atlantic coast and fought and settled their way across to Texas, I can assure you that I feel no guilt, though some sadness about the conduct of those who won this continent. This often repeated, childlike theory that we are evil because at some point in history, from the heights of foresight, we callously chose to head out and commit genocide is just silly. People acted as individuals, from their own individual circumstances, and were vastly outnumbered. They met the challenges they faced, with courage and fortitude. I find no cause for apology in that. Would that we had some of their grit.

    This article does, however, make me wonder if there can be a connection made to the legend of Cortes being greeted as a returning god?

    http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/hernando-cortes.htm

  42. Invictus's Gravatar Invictus
    March 3, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    @ fender re superpie12′s argument

    That the Solutrean’s residence was denied permanence by Amerindian aggression surely puts them in the same position as the Amerindians who were conquered by modern whites.

    The anti-whites can’t win this argument if you don’t give up.

  43. fender's Gravatar fender
    March 3, 2012 - 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately these revelations probably won’t make a dent in anything. They won’t be taught in universities and we won’t be seeing any Discovery channel documentaries on them. The White-haters will not allow facts to get into the way of their genocidal agenda.

    Case in point: a post by superpie12 on thenation:

    “It’s been proven that Amerindians were here 50,000 years ago. And even if hey weren’t, Europeans did not establish permanent residence in the Americas while Amerindians did. So when Europeans displaced Amerindians in the 1400s through the 1900s, they were doing so illegitimately through lies, conventional war, and biological war.”

    See what I mean? They’re always going to have some kind of rationalization for why White people, as a race, are evil, illegitimate, and deserve to be displaced.

    According to that tool, the Solutreans never set up “permanent residence” in America while the Indians did. I guess crossing the ocean and settling on a new continent wasn’t “permanent.”

  44. March 3, 2012 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    It’s a wonderful upgrade of our world-dream.

    “The priority of Europeans in North America is an important tool in battling with the forces of political correctness. However, the priority of “Native Americans” was never a strong argument anyway. ”

    The Native American bugaboo comes up frequently in debates at the grassroots level when anybody speaks a pro-White view. Every time I see White taking a pro-White position anywhere I often I see “anti-racist” types bringing up “the Native American Indians.”

    I usually say, “A people fights for space and prosperity for their children. If you’re White, be thankful to your forefathers.” Or I quote the Nat. American David Yeagley’s statements like, ‘An Indian respects a warrior; the White man was a warrior, and he beat us fair and square.” (Paraphrased. See the statement at WhiteID.com) But I have often, also, brought up the earlier Solutrean Hypotheses finds. Or the fact that most or all of the oldest skeletons found in North America have been Caucasian (or in one case, possibly Asian). Or I point out that the Native American Indians were actually more genocidal toward their enemies than we were (having actually exterminated other tribes before we got here); that we treated them humanely by comparison. (Davide Yeagley says the same thing.)

    Whether it’s Whites defending the validity of the Emma West Complaint, or just speaking up for the White South Africans presently undergoing genocidal massacre — somebody always squawks about the “Native Americans.” As these findings become more known and spread through the White consciousness, scattering of these guilt-tripping magpies with an ever-firming Solutrean Hypothesis will become a common and pleasant sight.
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  45. March 3, 2012 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

    It’s a wonderful upgrade of our world-dream.

    “The priority of Europeans in North America is an important tool in battling with the forces of political correctness.”

    Hmm, I don’t know!…Every time I see any White taking a pro-White position I see the “anti-racist” types bringing up the “Native American Indians.”

    I usually say, “A people fights for space and prosperity for their children. If you’re White, be thankful to your forefathers.” Or I quote the Nat. American David Yeagley’s statements like, “An Indian respects a warrior; the White man was a warrior, and he beat us fair and square.” But I have often, also, brought up the earlier Solutrean Hypotheses finds. Or the fact that most or all of the oldest skeletens found in North America have been Caucasian (or in one case, possibly Asian). Or I point out that the Native American Indians were actually more genocidal toward their enemies than we were (having actually exterminated other tribes before we got here); that we treated them humanely by comparison. (Davide Yeagley says the same thing.)

    Whether it’s Whites defending the validity of the Emma West Complaint, or just speaking up for the White South Africans presently undergoing genocidal massacre — somebody always squawks about the “Native Americans.” As these findings become more known and spread through the White consciousness, scattering of these guilt-tripping magpies with an ever-firming Solutrean Hypothesis will become a common and pleasant sight.

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