How fortuitous. Just the other day I had resolved to write about radio show host Alex Jones on this blog. He’s the hyper-provocative host of Infowars.com/PrisonPlanet. I’ve only recently begun listening to his broadcasts and am stunned at what he’s getting away with.
Because I respect the background knowledge that so many TOO readers have exhibited, I intended my blog as an appeal for opinions and background on Jones.
Now Kevin MacDonald’s latest posting on Glenn Beck’s implicit anti-Semitism (National Review Fires Derbyshire) provides the perfect framework for my appeal. To wit: Is Alex Jones peddling anti-Semitism?
Let me explain.
I’ve long understood MacDonald’s discussions on implicit Whiteness, as I’m sure most readers have, too. MacDonald ties that to the recent spate of firings of media people who have made implicit appeals to White interests. He then adds:
However, appealing to implicit Whiteness, implicit race realism, and implicit anti-Semitism translates to good ratings, so we will continue to see this sort of programming directed at White audiences—programming that feeds into their very legitimate fears, frustrations, and anxieties, not only about the current state of affairs but also about their future in a society where Whites are no longer the majority.
MacDonald’s article is based on Richard Spencer’s comments on the Derbyshire affair which include some very clear examples of implicit race realism:
The Blaze and Breitbart (Beck’s and Breitbart’s answers to the Huffington Post) have filled their webpages with salacious stories of various flash-mob attacks and general Black misbehavior. As I write (Sunday, April 8), the top story on The Blaze is about the New Black Panther Party’s call for a “race war.”
On the same night that Breitbart declared John Derbyshire to be a non-person for talking about the dangers of Blacks, its best-read story was one on a unsuspecting White Man who ventured into Black Baltimore and was attacked and stripped of all clothes and possession by a feral gang.
Refining it further, Spencer writes, “The new wave of conservatives, represented by Breitbart and Beck, have peddled implicit racism; they’ve made a great deal of money off implicit racism. But the trick only works if they shun and condemn anything approaching actual White Nationalism.”
Which leads me to ask readers: Is Alex Jones also peddling anti-Semitism (as it is conventionally understood) and, if so, is it implicit or explicit? If he’s peddling anti-Semitism, what do readers think of his tactics? His prospects? Is he nuanced enough to appeal to sophisticated listeners? For those who have listened to or seen him, it sure seems like he’s using code words for Jews and Jewish power. For example, consider this:
Every key person in the Bush administration and now in this next administration just so happen to be the sons and daughters of the founders of Israel and Mossad chiefs and people, and they’re openly not even US citizens, and they openly are at the head of the table in anti-gun operations in the US, and I’m sick of it….This nation is now completely and totally under international crime syndicate control, a consortium of wicked robber barons, black nobility – that is the old royal families of Europe, intermarried and inter-bred with the Rothschild’s, and the Rockefellers.
Jones’ contributors and guests also feature many who harbor skepticism about Jewish behavior. For example, Rev. Ted Pike, who has long battled against the ADL’s war on the First Amendment and whose website states that he “is an outspoken critic of ADL’s evil Jewish leadership,” included this rather explicit claim on Jones’ site: “As Jewish-dominated media increasingly persuades the public and government to agree with this stereotype [about Christians], it will become easier to pass Christian-restricting hate crime laws. All who adhere to the Bible on homosexuality or Jewish complicity in Christ’s death could be subject to state-sponsored prosecution.”
Thus far, I haven’t been able to find statements by Jones (or Pike) that contextualize these statements in the way Beck does by invoking his love for Israel.
Let me close with this: What might happen next? I await the day for implicit messages and feelings to become explicit. In the above blog, MacDonald writes
the entire exercise becomes transparently threadbare and an obvious sham. The needle keeps getting pushed. And at some point it will be clear to everyone that the Republican Party or its successor is the party not only of implicit Whiteness, but also implicit race realism and perhaps even implicit anti-Semitism. And at that point, it’s a short step to where it all becomes explicit.
Bring it on. Let it become explicit. But will Alex Jones help bring that day closer?
Facing the Future as a Minority
Alex Jones is there to take attention away from jews. “Blame anyone but the jews” seems to be his MO.
Good article here (add an http to this, since the spam filter won’t let me post links):
incogman.net/03/2012/more-nazi-conspiracy-bs-from-jew-shill-alex-jones/
how the GOP could ever become anti-semitic is beyond me. j
The complaint about Alex Jones is exactly the opposite : that he “covers for the Jews”. He talks about a global conspiracy but never names the Jews. All he talks about is “the elite”, “the global elite”, “globalists”, “international bankers” etc. but never about the Jews. He is often even misleading. The global elite uses “nazi” methods or is even “nazi” itself. He even one time said that Hollywood is controled by the Arabs! People who phone in to his programs and start talking about Jews are quickly cut off.
A reason for Jones’ behaviour could be that his wife is (part) Jewish, all his advertisers are Jews and his lawyer is a Jew. He simply couldn’t exist if he openly attacked Jewish power.
I await the day for implicit messages and feelings to become explicit.
We all do. As MacDonald said, as sites like the Blaze and others prove they can make a profit, this means alternative media that speaks openly about race may become viable. At that point, the everything quickens. I encourage everyone to go into forums and post pro-White sentiments. It is great that we write for each other here, but dissidents writing for dissidents only gets us so far. We need to prepare the landscape. We need to provide whatever small openings we can for a pro-White movement. We can all post something intelligent and pro-White in blogs, forums and news stories. It really does help. And is it really asking that much?
@joe webb:
It will have to be whatever replaces the GOP, or some new incarnation of the GOP, or A3P. I sent a tweet to an editor at National Review complaining about their firing of Derbyshire (to let them know pro-Whites exist). He responded that the “Party of Lincoln” didn’t welcome White Supremacists.
So, all those people will have to be swept out.
@joe webb: You’ve got that right. To demonstrate their pro-semitic credentials, it’s basically standard procedure for major politicians from both parties to visit the temple of AIPAC where they openly worship, grovel and generally kiss Zionist rear end. It’s disgusting and treasonous.
In Youtube conspiracy land a debate has raged over whether Jones has Christian Zionist leanings, is a ‘shill for Israel’. I think he did receive flak from the ADL but thats not hard and may have been more to do with extremist Christian militia scares than anti-semitism. Most popular items have been: Jones once said that Hollywood was run by Arabs; claims he’s married to a Jew; tenuous link to the Bronfmans (allegedly uses the same law firm); video of him telling Ted Pike off-air not to talk about Jews, Zionism, etc; video of him ripping into a neo-Nazi. He normally takes pains to criticise all groups equally – not to single anyone out. when he does occasionally criticise Israel (over Iran, never Palestine), or Jewish elites, he usually includes a disclaimer to remain PC. Never heard him accused of anti-semitism – covert or overt. usually the opposite.
I’ve been watching Alex Jones for a few years now. I like him a lot. Sometimes, he is batshit crazy, but much of the time he speaks the horrible truth about our situation. I do think that everybody knows who he’s talking about when he mentions the NWO or the globalists, etc.
Glenn Beck absolutely stole tons of material from AJ.
I also like Max Keiser on RT, and Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone.
My awakening came as a result of witnessing the Wall St. thievery and realizing that the financial shenanigans were/are so morally wrong that it’s gone into the territory of pure evil. It’s stunning to me that the people at the well-connected top have so much (ill gotten gains) while the rest of us work our asses off for a pittance.
@Jason Speaks: ‘He responded that the “Party of Lincoln” didn’t welcome White Supremacists.’
That’s ironic, considering that Lincoln was openly a white supremacist himself.
The GOP of today isn’t Eisenhower’s. It’s full of Jews and their goy tools and furthermore it solidly supports the PNAC agenda, it’s top politicos are always ready to sign away American jobs, intellectual property and natural resources to foreign concerns. Heck they were the party that came up with NAFTA, killed Glass Stegall, and pushed for PNTR with China. Yeah Clinton signed all of them, but without the GOP they would have never passed both Houses.
And who was the president who pushed for mass amnesty? Bush42 along with a lot of Senate Repukes. It took a massive popular uprising to shut that attempt down.
No, we have to wait until their is enough support for a successor party.
@Jason Speaks:
Sheesh. What a slap in the face. How do Whites stand a chance when an editor of NR automatically calls you a White Supremacist in regard to the firing of somehow who said something pro-White?
@Lookaroundu: Of course in those days, before Frankfurt School mass brainwashing, most normal white people were indeed what are now known as “white supremacists”.
@blue rose:
Well as others are noting, NR is not on our side and hasn’t been for decades. Old Buckley himself wrote a long piece calling Buchanan an anti-Semite. The good news is, they have gotten a LOT of negative feedback from Whites on this. I can only hope we are getting close to some backlash.
Personally, I don’t think Alex Jones or his listeners are ready for TOO. He seems to draw a mix of types, and mostly none of them seem too bright.
Jones always struck me as a con artist, another ‘used car salesman’ like Beck, that knows how to hawk a product and make a living by it. Beck stokes the tea partiers, but Jones seems to stoke the none-too-bright Christians that listen to him. Just my opinion.
I read recently that the surname Jones is actually a Jewish name. Also Jones is married to a Jewish woman.
@Lookaroundu:
Yes, I thought that too about Lincoln – he stated Whites were superior on a number of occasions and stated Whites and blacks could not live together. Of course, Lincoln led a war that killed 620,000 White people, so I wouldn’t want to be part of his gang anyway.
All this is good. I think we are moving toward a day when everything except race will fade away in debates. All the various ideologies, moral systems, cultures, will all burn off and we will get to the core, which is race. Up until now, we have all used various proxies: culture, religion, economics, etc. Whites will be forced to confront the fundamental importance of race. Some don’t care. Some will come to it after much crying and sobbing. Many will leap to it once they realize they are not alone.
But there will be enough of us to win, and that’s all that matters.
By the way, that altright link is a good example of how we may become more influential soon. The comments sections are full of intelligent posters but too many of them veer off into extraneous topics. For example, many are busy re-hashing WWII. All of that has value, in its place, but imagine if they were on a consistent message, and they were spreading that message to forums across the internet. The most valuable thing we can do is let normal Whites, who have been spooked into silence, know they are not alone.
@blue rose:
Yes, I don’t think much of Alex Jones. The only good thing is that his show’s success demonstrates there is a market for alternative viewpoints. The big break will come when enough White people start laughing at anyone who says they are a n*ziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews for wanting to talk honestly about race.
@blue rose: “I read recently that the surname Jones is actually a Jewish name.” Where did you read that? It’s a Welsh name, or so I thought. Think of the famous Welsh singer Tom Jones.
My husband watches a ton of Alex Jones, all his shoutcasts and whatnot, he even has Alex Jones on ranting while he’s taking a nap, haha! So I’ve heard quite a bit of what he has to say.
The bulk of it is Jones taking a kernel of truth, sometimes a big, dripping ladle full of truth, and expanding it into the obtuse to the point where honesty devolves into, what would appear to be in any OTHER situation, the rantings of a total paranoid schizo madman. If you saw Jones doing this on the bus, for instance, I doubt your first instinct would be to saddle up next to him and listen for a half hour.
There have been times where redfaced Alex Jones spends ten minutes frothing at the mouth, screaming “Scum”, looking like he’s about to have either a massive coronary or a grand mal seizure. At those times, I simply watch with my mouth agape as this man just totally flips his lid and loses his poop on the public airwaves.
The truth about Alex Jones, if you can get past the extreme ranting paranoia, is that he’s an excellent halfway man. He’ll take you to the edge of the water, but only YOU can decide if you drink, and just how much you’ll drink.
He never names the jew, and he spends a lot of time playing the old, “I’m not a racist, BUT…” game, but his implicit whiteness does show through. One can easily tell that he’s got ye old Protestant work ethic and has traditional white values sewn into the very fabric of himself.
Sometimes he’s bang on the mark, like today, where he was talking about how the homosexual agenda has shown it’s true face to be one of not just social acceptance of homosexuals, but of a constant chipping away of traditional family values and aggressive tactics to demonize the nuclear heterosexual family.
Other times, he infuriates me with his wild paranoid nonsense, stringing together craziness like, “Eugenic cybernetics on the grid designed to kill off 90 percent of humanity.” What in the hell does THAT even mean? Recently, he took an article where the ridiculous opinions of two doctors who thought that children up to the age of three should be able to be “post birth aborted” if they weren’t wanted, and blew it WAY out of proportion. The reality is that a medical journal, gods only know why, published the opinion of these two doctors, and that was all. To hear Alex Jones tell it though, you’d think it was a bill that had passed both the Congress and Senate and was on it’s way to the President’s desk to be signed so that death squads could start roaming the country randomly killing toddlers.
This kind of blowing things way out of proportion nonsense is what makes so many people loathe to listen to the guy, and why, quite honestly, the minute my husband falls asleep for his nap, I turn the tv OFF! There is only so much of Jones’ hysterics and histrionics one can stand. To listen to him daily will have you cowering in your bathroom, behind the toilet, holding a shotgun in one hand, and slurping down an MRE with the other.
But yes, there ARE some good, golden moments from Alex Jones, and if you’re able to sift them out of the crazy garble that is most of his broadcast, then you’ll certainly hit upon a nugget of truth that is NOT being spoken about by the MSM.
In conclusion, Alex Jones should come with a warning label, watch at your own risk. Just like alcohol, it can pleasantly effect your day, OR, it can turn you into a raving, idiotic nutcase that no one can stand to be around. To quote a poster on VNN, “Paranoia is the atlatl of stupidity.”
Sorry for the off-topic post but there is one of those race is a “social construct” threads over at Roissy’s new website. I made a couple of posts there and it looks like some of the TOO crowd is over there like Bob Whitaker and others. Take a look at the link below.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/science-proves-race-is-not-a-social-construct/#comments
Jones predicted early in the summer of 2001 that the feds were going to pull off a major false flag, and then fasten it on their asset Osama.
Which would pave the way toward a police state in earnest.
That oughta tell you one of 2 things:
A. He’s got serious sources on the inside.
B. He’s got serious powers of inductive reasoning.
Apart from the zio-con turd-cum-foreign-lobbyist Bruce Fein whom Jones presents as ‘constitutional scholar’, I have no memory of his guests failing to pass the smell test.
@Lookaroundu:
I’m sorry I don’t remember where I saw the reference that Jones is a Jewish surname. I read it over several times to be sure I read it correctly, because it came as a surprise to me. The only thing I could equate it with is ‘Jonah’ as in the story of Jonah and the whale.
But I just googled ‘Jones is a Jewish name’ and I do get a list of websites that might shed light. I haven’t looked at the links below, but I suspect it’s probably true:
The Gentle Art of Changing Jewish Names
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Intl_Jew_full_version/ij70.htm
Jonah becomes by quite simple changes, Jones and Joseph, Jonas. Judah (the true Jewish name) becomes Jewell, Leo, Leon, Lionel, Lyon, Leoni, Judith.
JONES – Surname Meaning | Origin for the Surname Jones Genealogy
genealogy.about.com/od/surname_meaning/p/jones.htm
A patronymic name meaning “son of John,” the given name John deriving from the Hebrew Yochanan meaning “Jehovah has favoured.” Jones is a popular …
Some others:
Rashida Jones – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Jones
Rashida Leah Jones (born February 25, 1976) is an American film and television actress, comic book author, screenwriter … Her mother is Ashkenazi Jewish, and Jones attended Hebrew school. ….. Alternative names, Jones, Rashida Leah …
Is the name”Jones”Jewish? | Answerbag
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1999367
1 answer – Feb 10, 2010
According to the Internet Surname Database, the last name “Jones” is of English medieval orgins. The last name derived from the first name, “John” …
@Lookaroundu:
I just posted a response, but embedded 4 links, and so it’s on moderation. This one is a little bit of an update. This below comes from ‘The Gentle Art of Changing Jewish Names ‘ (google: Jones is a Jewish name)
“Jonah becomes by quite simple changes, Jones and Joseph, Jonas.”
Answerbag dot com goes along with your response:
‘According to the Internet Surname Database, the last name “Jones” is of English medieval orgins. The last name derived from the first name, “John” which comes from the Hebrew “Yochanan,” meaning “Jehovah has favoured (me with son).” Nevertheless, there is no direct correlation between the last name “Jones” and Jewish heritage.’
As I said in my first response, i don’t recall exactly where I saw it said that Jones was a Jewish name. But from the above first link (“Gentle Art”), if the surname is not ethnically Jewish, these days it would be hard to tell anyway if a person is Jewish or not. One hopes a slight change in a surname represents merely assimilation, but of course not always that simple.
‘Jones’ is definitely a Welsh name. Also, I’ve read it bandied about that Alex Jones’ wife is Jewish, but I’ve never found anything to substantiate these claims beyond some vague references to her having distant patrilineal Jewish ancestry, which doesn’t ‘count’ to actual Jews anyway.
I wouldn’t say Jones’ primary audience demographic is Christian, but rather conspiracy theory geeks and whatnot.
@Fenria:
You have nailed Jones down very well. And there’s a REASON Jones ladles out lots of “truth”, but stops short of the whole truth.
Most of his advertisers are Tribe or Tribe-connected. Where I live, he’s carried on regular AM radio, and the station-owners (tribe) are deeply involved in the advertising structure of Jones shows.
Think about it this way: If Jones cuts too close to telling the whole truth, he’s going to lose a lot of revenues. What better way to CONTROL potential opposition than to become their base of financial support, making it very dicey for Jones to overstep the taboo line.
That’s why Jones isn’t “going all the way”.
@hello:
Heck, all my best conspiracy theories come from exclusively Christian websites! And back in the time when I listened to Alex Jones he spoke on the same conspiracy theories! As Fenria commented above, after awhile listening and reading these things…after awhile I didn’t know what to believe, especially as none of their predictions ever came true. But here’s the subject header to the latest email from the only Christian email list I’m on now:
‘It’s Official: Barack Obama Has Declared Himself De-facto Dictator Of The USA. The Western Center For Journalism Floyd Brown’
‘He stopped trying to hide the fact that he believes that he’s our king and dictator long ago. And now, it’s even worse… ‘
Patriotard bullcrap. Blaming Rothschilds not Jews. Israelis not Jews. Zzzzz. Jesuit and Vatican spies too. Silly stuff. Sells a lot of gold coin advertising, though. And dehydrated food.
“Thus far, I haven’t been able to find statements by Jones (or Pike) that contextualize these statements”
Here’s some context:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC14dcWKM8M&w=420&h=315
“bring it on”
Yes Edmund I stand and cheer at that. I don’t know the answer about Alex Jones, but I agree it’s an important question. All that I know for sure is how much or how little – compared to my potential – that my personal effort is in helping also, to bring it on.
@Sector 19:
Probably the best way to get straight on all this stuff, is to post pro-White stuff on forums and websites. Focus on promoting White interests. I’d like people to spend roughly half the online time they spend speculating on various theories to actually promote a consistent pro-White message on the internet.
@Jason Speaks:
Jason – I am sorry if I said something out of turn a week or so ago. The way I saw things it was all part of ‘seeing ‘er off’ :O)
@Jason Speaks:
re: spend half of time spreading consistent message
I tell yous….this consistent message is having an impact. It is showing up all over the place on the Internet. That cartoon showed up in a private mail list the other day, that is totally non-political. A big discussion followed…..a surprising discussion too. In a good way surprising.
@Mickey Meadows:
Oh no problem, I don’t even remember it – lol. Yes, I was slow to come around to the power of a consistent message, but it is really amazing. I feel like a lot of White people want permission that it is OK to express their honest beliefs. I’ve also been amazed that no one ever has any real comeback to the Mantra. They namecall of course. They say “you are crazy”. But they can’t argue against it.
Anyway, I think we are building toward something. We have this great site and MacDonald, the Mantra, and new sites like Taki that keep carrying Derbyshire. By the way, apparently a lot of people raised hell over Derbyshire being fired. That is a really good sign! :)
By the way, and yes I am proselytizing, but if anybody out there posts the Mantra, it is fun to watch our opponents become stunned, outraged … and then run away.
@Darren Smith: The reason why we are witnessing such an outrageous, in-our-faces, arrogant display of gluttonous bloodsucking and parasitic, vampire-caliber THEFT on jewish dominated and controlled Wall Street might have something to do with the following:
SEC (Wall Street) Inspector General is David Kotz (Katz)
Securities Exchange Head is Mary Shapiro
Commodities Futures Head is Gary Genslet
Deputy Attorney General, under Eric Holder, is Sharis Pozen
Federal Trade Commission Chairman is Jon Liebowitz
The Federal Reserve Head is Ben Shalom Bernanke
All of the above named individuals are jews. So, what we have is a situation where the jewish criminals and swindlers on Wall Street are now supposedly being monitored by their fellow jews who occupy all of the regulatory agencies top leadership positions.
@pessimist:
No, we have to wait until their is enough support for a successor party.
As the Scots philsopher Alsidair MacIntyre might say, you might as well wait for Godot as well as neither are going to come.
I recall back in 1978 that the new Polish Pope was going to kick some Dutch ass (as in “wack the liberals”) in a ecclesiatsical dispute which he inherited from his predecessors. The logic was that this model of corrective action would be exported around the Church and restore some order following the collapse of the Church in the post-Vatican II era. This is what papists everywhere were “wating” for.
Instead JPII sided with the Dutch liberal hierarchy against one of their ‘conseravtive’ bretheren who was sacked and then exiled to Iceland.
As I say, carry on waiting.
Alex Jones is part of the well-funded Jewish sponsored 9/11 disinformation industry, the objective of which is to discredit all those who don’t believe in the “official” conspiracy theory, not saleable to a large part of the public. Better to fill up the credibility void with a thousand disparate and conflicting voices, than try to defend the indefensible. This tactic has been extremely successful.
Jones and his ilk are the problem, not the solution.
@buckle:
If I may butt in, on this issue of Waiting for Godot, that brilliantly expresses what many of us in WN have fallen into. Our plans wait for some cataclysmic event of world-historical proportions, that will force us into action, with a society ready to accept our leadership.
The practical impact is that we all end up spending time “waiting”, instead of doing anything. Now many fine writers post great article here and that is important. This is an intellectual site, after all. However, most of us readers really do very little. It’s as if we can only imagine springing into action when the whole power grid has been knocked out be an ELF blast.
I’d suggest doing a little work to prepare the future battlefield, by posting pro-White messages on regular forums and websites where “outsiders” can see them. The kind of material in the Matra is a good start, or modify it to what feels right for you. No matter what happens in coming years, getting the message out there that there many pro-Whties in the land can only help us. The site of the Mantra seems to unnerve our opponents. They call names fist, then there are 3 or 4 standard responses which can be batted away. And they they run. It’s fun and it demoralizes them. And it helps our people get their nerve up.
Alex Jones says he has AmerIndian background and a wife has Jewish background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSmrlfJi4zw
@Jason Speaks:
I saw the mantra as hugely powerful, not because it was the mantra, but because of the organizational concepts surrounding it. This was something that was truly scaleable and appropriate for the Internet. It is that scaleability that makes it powerful. The mantra strategy could literally move the ‘middle ground’…or in other words shift the mainstream consciousness of what is acceptable to think, to talk about, to complain about. I think this is already happening.
@-jc:
I think we need to recognize that we may be in the early stages of a period of awakening that will see sustained exponential growth in the number of white folk facing up to the situation.
The relevance to Jones, is that…maybe his personal views are actually changing and evolving. Maybe where a few years ago he was just playing the audience trying to make some money off the back of the 9/11 truther movement, now the guy has since woken up to some truths that he has surprised himself for actually caring about.
@Mickey Meadows:
p.s. I think the truther movement actually resulted in an awful lot of people waking up…..simply because if you are white and you genuinelly go seeking the truth, you are more likely to actually find it than someone that didn’t do that.
I think the truther movement was deliberately infiltrated and filled with rubbish (i.e. about the catholic church, aliens, illuminatti etc) because so many people were waking up to the Jewish problem.
Alex Jones pushes the 9/11 conspiracy nuttery because he makes lots of $$$$ off it. The little kids from SUNY Onenonta made lots of $$$$ off the 9/11 docugarbage. There is a market out there for this garbage.
The whole show is weird. Lots advertisement for natural healthy food. Yet complete silence on the fact that legal nonwhite immigration is causing the US population to explode…you can’t have both ways….there not making anymore land.
I agree with the old hebe Noam Chomsky:the 9/11 conspiracy theory nuttery is a gift to Bush-Obama-Rommny..have ‘em chase ghosts..just like the ghosts of the JFK-Oswald fantasy land.
@Mickey Meadows:
This is exactly the way it happened with me. I searched for the truth about 9/11 (and quickly found it on the internet), then the Israeli-Jewish connection of that event became clear. From there it was only a little step to the Jewish Question and via David Duke’s two books : Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening I found my way to White Nationalism.
Crucial is the wish to find the truth behind the lies of the MSM. When that is present the rest will follow.
Franklin Rykaert:
Yeah, it was what woke me up, too. I didn’t really pay much attention to Jews before, although I always wondered why they seemed to be disproprtionately represented in certain highly-paid fields. Stuff like never encountering a Jewish plumber or builder or electrician or any working in the trades.
I believed intelligence was only part of it, because intelligence can only carry you so far without contacts. And it made me curious, because a lot of Jewish people I’d encountered honestly didn’t seem that smart, but rather simplistic, shallow-thinking and vulgar in comparison with most Gentiles of similar education and economic status.
I wasn’t aware of their reach and what they were actually capable of, however, until I discovered the Truthers and started reading. And reading some more.
You people are totally unfair regarding Alex Jones. “Conspiracy theory?” Hey folks, hate to tell you, but EVERYBODY here already has that tag, and the “tinfoil hats” as well. ANY person who dares to mention the outside chance that Jewish people seem to have a great deal of influence on our society is immediately labeled in the harshest terms and made to feel like a fool. I have a very intelligent friend who calls me a “fanatic” because he “likes Jews” and he claims that “we had to do the bailouts.” Some very intelligent people can be very stupid at times.
Alex Jones has GREAT guests, including Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Jeff Rense, etc.
If you notice, he usually begins with a headline from a major source and then does his spin. He often goes too far, but that’s the beauty of his performance. He shows you what it will mean if the elites get their way on given issues.
It makes me angry that people here would call Jones a CT; he is not that easily dismissed. You can generally check his sources and you’ll find that he’s telling the truth. The fact that he tends to exaggerate for the sake of theater does NOT make him a CT.
Hell, G. Edward Griffin is called a CT!!!!!!!
The Israeli role in 9/11 is quite deep. They knew something was up and kept quiet about it. But to state this obvious fact in no way commits one to the 9/11 conspiracy nuttery of Alex Jones. It’s more on the level of the USS Liberty. Alex Jones has been completely silent about the Israeli art students.
The makers of the 9/11 documentary are malicious psychopaths who only motivation is $$$$$$. The 9/11 psychopaths have resorted to making harrasing phone calls the families of the victims-who exposed the bold-face lies of the truthers- of the jet that crashed in Pennsylvannia.
9/11 happened because millions of Native Born White American “Men” and Women were more interested in sports entertainment pornography than immigration policy and mideast foreign policy. Bin Laden’s second in command announced that Al Queda was going to attack the US one year before 9/11…this was a national news story on CBS nightly news. The video was shown over and over again on CBS national news on 9/11 and nearly every night for the next week.
A 12 year old boy off the boat from Pakistan said out loud in his classroom at a US public school in Brooklyn that the Twin Towers were going to be knocked down in two days..he said this on 9/9. His teacher reported this incident to the FBI.
The sloath like mentality of millions of Native Born jock sniffing White “Men” is the number one reason why 9/11 happened. If they were racially vigilent, there would be no muslims in America…no 9/11 as a consequence.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Franklin and also ‘hello’ – wow this is really suggestive that the impact of the truther movement has yet to be fully understood.
The reality seems to be that Jewish power is so in your face and massive, that any movement like the Truther thing is almost bound to end up at this door.
Also, from a standpoint of justice, it is actually very pleasing to think that maybe there is a very powerful causality in play leading directly back to 9/11, with comeuppance being the destination.
To the poster who said that Glen Beck swipes material from Alex Jones. How about Alex Jones swiping a lot of what he knows from Fritz Springmeier? The best Youtube video exposing Alex Jones as the Zionist shill he is, is the candid clip where he admits from his own mouth that he supports the state of Israel. What more do you need? Personally, I would love to see Jones try to debate Kevin MacDonald. MacDonald would school him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO1l-zcLqkk
@wattylersrevolt:
There have been Muslims in America since the 1880′s.
Most of the new Muslim converts in the US like other western countries are white women.
Atta and the hijackers themselves when in Florida, a hotbed of CIA drug running activity drank, took drugs and visited strip clubs (Atta even had a stripper girlfriend) with direct connections to CIA contacts like Rudy Deeker who ran Huffman Aviation who ran through a protected European and North American terrorist network used to recruit and finance Islamic militants to fight US proxy wars in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, etc since the 90’s.
@Mickey Meadows:
The chain of discoveries you make is : 1) There are several conspiracies going on in the world (9/11 is only one of them), 2) Jews are behind most of them, 3) Their ultimate aim is World Domination for which they consider White Genocide a necessary step. So you go from Conspiracy Theories (not a negative term in my book), via Jewish Question to White Nationalism. I think this trajectory of discoveries will be made by more and more people. The internet is the means and it will be the greatest misfortune for the Jews. They may control Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, Face Book and some things more, but they can’t control the whole internet.
Jews are only a small part of the world’s population (0,2 %) therefore their power rests ultimately on mind control of the masses, which means control of the media, and this they are rapidly losing. They already have lost the media battle about Israel, which is despised in the whole world, they will soon lose the media battle about their role in the diaspora also. Then their game will be over.
@hello:
For me it was finding a Kmack interview on the web and secondly, the Richard Williamson affair and then lastly, the mysterious papacy of the present Pope. In the case of the latter, I saw for the first time that the madness of German theology in the post-War Europe was as a result of what we had done to them during and after the war. An absolute tragedy all around.
Alex Jones goes back & forth on the Jews. You can gauge where Jones is at on any particular day by the number of Jews advertising on his program. Remember, there all kinds of Jews in the survival gear (formerly army-navy stores), precious metals, “health food”, and “alternative” medicine businesses.
I will say this, Jones does surprise me in a good way now, and then. For example, he is the only major media outlet to come to the defense of Attorney Edgar Steele—and post the defense on his website!
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Franklin – you’re clearly a more intellectual person than me, but IMHO when it comes to talking about conpiracy theories it is important to establish a rational framework along the lines of some acceptance that most ‘big’ conspiracy theories are wrong (and often absurd). The reason for this is just that, most of every kind of theory is wrong, and conspiracy theories are particularly prone to wrongness because of the difficulty of verififying and/or providing useful productive criticism (which tends to drive improvements).
I totally reject the vast majority of 9/11 conspiracy on the grounds the ideas tend to involve big scale conspiracies with lots of moving parts and so on. That sort of conspiracy doesn’t happen in the real world in my view.
The anti-white conspiracy tends to be pretty decentralized and driven by cultural/evolutionary effects as laid out by KM. I really think KM’s explanations are very important, and that we shouldn’t deviate too far from them, without first providing some direct criticism.
Just my thoughts.
However, as an after thought, I am now beginning to regard the truther movement as a much more important historical event. You see…if the process itself brought people like you to us, then that is the value.
Edmund – you asked for feedback on Jones and I think I have one small thought for you, that might be helpful if you can fit into into the tapestry.
For me the question has always been this: Does Jones help us or harm us, when he weaves our valid rational, fact/evidence based concerns into a soup of other sometimes ridiculous conspiracy theories? I mean to the mainstream. Does he reinforce preconceptions that we are a load of numbskulls, or not?
It’s a tough call, and maybe the balance is changing. But I think that question basically hits the nail on the head when it comes to the questioin of Jones.
I’ll say it again, at the risk of being a bore. ANY person who dares to suggest that Jews have too much power are labeled “conspiracy theorists.” This is a form of mind control that is used by the media to keep people from looking into things. The other inaccurate label is “white supremacist.” You can watch all of David Duke’s videos and read all of KM’s books and never find one sentence that claims that whites are superior. By this sort of labeling they have disenfranchised us, and this is how they block us from having the self-determination that we rightfully deserve. Alex Jones is great! He’s the National Enquirer of white nationalism, and I’m willing to bet that his audience is HUGE. The stupid Young Turks got into a battle with him over ratings, and I would bet any amount of money that Alex has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more viewers than the young turds.
Sure, you can’t believe everything that Alex says, but it’s fun to watch him and he does give a lot of good info. He has Max Keiser on quite a bit and Max is great too.
Several times a week Jones would remind his audience that all roads lead to the House of Rothschild. How much more explicit does this fella have to get ?
It shouldn’t require a guru in the field of abstract algebra to join up the dots from there.
As far as criticizing his choice of sponsors, what do you reckon he should instead advertise, Mein Kampf and the Elders of Zion ?
The FCC will descend on him quicker that Hasidic Jews on a black hat sale.
One issue I have is with his semi-constant hawking of the gold coins as a ‘safe way to park your cash’.
A wholesale gold buyer may offer you about 60% of the current market price for a 24K piece. Meaning, you’d eat up 40% loss, plus whatever you had to pay original broker in terms of mark-up and shipping/insurance costs. So roughly out of every $1 invested , you’ll take a .50c hit.
How that became a ‘safe hedge against inflation’ is beyond me.
I was just reading all the comments about “jones” being a jewish name. LOL!!! I guess that makes E. Michael Jones (as far as I’m concerned one of the great intellects of our time) of “Culture Wars” “jewish”…..Again….LOL….how utterly ridiculous.
Don’t people have anything better to do…or to write about…than to argue about absolute BS like that.
The the commenter who claims that Glen Beck has stolen material from Alex Jones, how about Alex Jones stealing material from Fritz Springmeier?
Some of the best evidence of Jones’ true intentions not mentioned by anyone yet is contained in a Youtube video of a candid Alex Jones emphatically stating that he supports the state of Israel. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdK1WZX2rx4) Then there is Alex Jones’ connections to Israeli intelligence, like Stratfor.
Jones used to be Welsh. Before taking on surnames like Lawrence, Harris and Stewart came en vogue in the Khazarian community.
In terms of the kosher angle, wasn’t one of the grandfathers of Mrs. Jones a Judaic convert to christianity ? Something along those lines.
Anything that makes this many young white folks get together and see that there are forces arrayed against them has to be a wonderful thing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BpL6eQyXDs
I dont’t know if this is wishfull thinking; the endless Jewish attacks on the likes of Marrine Le Pen and similar nationalists who have been fawning zionists and philosemites serves to expose that at a fundamental spiritual level how intractably hatefull this race and religion is to the rights, well being and survival of Whites. John Tyndall who had started the British National Front made observations decades ago and noted that Jews were fundementally unappeasable and that it was not worth bothering with.
The Anti-semites Creed
The jews are a problem–not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn’t bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibility for problems of our own making –but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.
White gentile responsibility includes recognizing, openly admitting, learning about and DOING SOMETHING about this problem. Anti-semitism does not imply hatred of or a desire to exterminate the jews.
I will stop being anti-semitic when the semites stop being anti-gentilic. Not a day sooner.–Burrhus
jack
If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed and if there was a national origins immigration policy in place that completely excluded muslims…9/11 would have 0 probability of occuring.
And as you point out, one or two of the 9/11 muslim terrorists were legally living in water scarce Florida raising families. Their “American” born children are almost ready to attend college on American Soil. And yes, muslim immigration to the US is very closely linked to “US” foreign policy..but we still don’t have to take them in.
The 9/11 conspiracy theories take the focus off of an immigration policy whose only intent is to reduce the Native Born White American Majority to an ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of American..this is a way more serious problem than the knocking down of the Twin Towers which was a direct result of Republican-Democratic race-replacement immigration policy.
@Anty ep: Totally. I had been paying attention to the militia and shortwave scene for some time when Alex Jones came into it in the mid-1990s.
William Cooper, who set the pattern for sensationalist patriotards like Jones, actually touted The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion but claimed that it was a genuine Masonic document — not Jewish! With that, Cooper did double damage: destroying the credibility of those who would follow his lead (since the Protocols are well established as a hoax) while putting them off the trail of the Jews. You also get arguments that originate from the largely Jewish Larouche organization, like the argument that the ADL and the State of Israel are not really Jewish but creations and puppets of the British government, and that the poor, deceived Jews are being used by the evil and racist British Royal Family. Cooper put out a constant stream of belligerent talk and conspiracy-theory that looked on the surface as if it might be anti-Jew but always ended up diverting the listener to some other scapegoat. Alex Jones pretty much stole William Cooper’s act.
I think Jones really does us a disservice with the crazy patriotard bs he promotes, which I see unfortunately bleeding over into the WN scene. The bleedover should be in the other direction.
When media such as Fox News cater in a very limited way to White racial concerns, they do so because they understand that this secures their audience for them. The audience already has these concerns.
The crucial question about Fox News (and Alex Jones if we must discuss him), is what they do after they establish credibility with the audience by telling them what they already believe. In the case of Fox News, the hook in the bait is a pitch support for the State of Israel.
I don’t think Alex Jones has broken a bit of new ground. (Demonstrate it if he has, and we can then consider whether his contribution was really a good or a bad.) What he has done is, he has made himself the spokesman for concerns that were already being murmured ubiquitously, and has added kookiness and misdirection.
hadding scott, the protocols are most definitely NOT well established as a hoax. that is a propaganda lie.
@chad: I’ve been through this before and I know what you’re going to say. I am not going to argue about it again. It’s a waste of time.
The fact is that the Protocols were partially plagiarized from pre-existing literature and therefore cannot be authentic. END OF DISCUSSION.
@Hadding Scott:
Actually, that’s not the end of the discussion, because the possibility exists that both The Protocols and Maurice Joly’s (also a jew) work were both based on some third document, a precursor to The Protocols.
William Cooper exposes Alex Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r8rFNDh9WQ&feature=related
@Mickey Meadows:
One reason the Mantra is helpful, or basically any way of staying on a consistent message, is it keeps us from veering off into a million homebrewed theories about how the world “really” works, or own “policy statements” about the kind of world we would build. Most of us have absolutely nothing interesting to say on those topics. They end up being enormous time wasters. People have devoted literally hundreds of hours and years to posting one variation after the other of some theory they think is SO fascinating. And none of it does anything to advance White interests.
@Random: You’ve conceded my point.
@wattylersrevolt:
You made great points. Everything ultimately goes back to a lack of racial awareness by Whites.
@Jason Speaks:
I hear him on the radio [C2C, am] I dont like his website as its got too much to sort thru.
Is Alex against Israel? He does cover jewish terrorism there, yes?
@Tom:
‘You can gauge where Jones is at on any particular day by the number of Jews advertising on his program.’
If you say so!
Look. Everybody can’t be DD or KM. You guys crap on Jared Taylor, you crap on Alex Jones, you crap on anybody who doesn’t come out and say that the Jews are the problem. Thing is, Taylor and Jones and Buchanan and Derbyshire, etc., have a different strategy, that’s all. They have each attempted to gain a larger audience and for the most part have been successful. The idea that Jones simply regurgitates rumor is totally unfair. He takes headlines from reputable sources and then gives his outrageous spin. Sometimes he hits the nail on the head, sometimes he exaggerates too much, but you have to give the guy credit for being entertaining. Lighten up!
@Hadding Scott:
Actually I refuted your point that The Protocols cannot be authentic based on similarities to Joly’s Dialogues. It’s certainly possible (and in my view more likely) that Joly copied an early version of The Protocols, rather than the other way around.
I have been watching the Ramzpaul clip…AT THE BOTTOM IS AN AD IS FOR A RABBI!!!
The whole problem with various theories (conspiracy or not), religions, tax policies, economic plans, cultures, etc., is that they are treated as proxies for race. It’s time to get beyond proxies and get to the heart of the matter. Please spend more time explicitly talking about White genocide, and/or other pro-White messages on boards and forums, rather than some “hook”, that will supposedly lead them to race in 10 or 15 years. We keep trying to hide race behind some cloak and it doesn’t work.
@Alice Teller:
The problem is RP deliberately ran on a non-populist platform which guaranteed marginalization. Had he ran on a more populist platform that included serious immigration reform, reforming Free trade, getting rid of H1-B and L-1 work visas for importing foreign workers, going after the TBTF banks, etc. He would have brought in a lot more Whites. He didn’t. He knew by staying closely with the Libertarian platform he was cutting himself at the knees.
@wattylersrevolt:
Thanks for bringing up the fact that the “truthers” and Alex Jones do not bring up the Fed’s twisted immigration policy of bringing massive numbers of 3rd worlders into the U.S.(and for that matter Western Europe – if that isn’t a conspiracy I don’t know what is). We are basically importing and creating a gigantic Muslim cancer within the U.S. that we are barely able to stop from going on a terror spree killing thousands more Americans.
And yep, it’s worse than losing the Twin Towers, cause this is the gift that keeps on killing.
The ultimate @Freedom Cobra:
Actually some good points by Metzger on Alex Jones. I keep hearing how all these AJ people will come over to us and magically turn into White Advocates. I haven’t seen it yet. Even when they do become racially aware, they spend all their time buzzing over the latest AJ pushed theory. They refuse to do anything that actually promotes White interest. Let them prove me wrong. I would love it.
And he makes a good point about obsessive preoccupation with Middle Eastern politics – especially the notion that anyone knows what’s going to happen next.
@pessimist:
I’m afraid most Truthers aren’t interested in White people. They are more or less oblivious to the mass, ongoing browning of America and Europe. The beginning and the end of their interests seems to be auto-stimulation over really gee whiz cool evil plots. They come off as cruel and heartless more times than most.
What did Tommie say bout him? I can’t watch the Vid on my device.
Hadding- I used to listen to Cooper on SW radio especially summer of 96. Before that, Tom valentines Spotlight show had a solar audience. But a little more realistic- for all his faults I have always thought Carto was against the Jews. Then before that Bo Gritz. I remember his show back when you could still buy steel core 762×39 ammo. A lot of hogwash about alloidial
Land title etc and other constitutionalist fantasies. The Bircher table of the gun show crowd. Thankfully I found the little red books to elevate myself from the perpetual fog of crypto-critique into more frank analysis.
@Anty ep:
Basically Tom (and I’m not some Tom fan), said that Jones pretends to know what is going to happen next in the Middle East and around the world, in order to sell gee whiz conspiracy theories to people that get off on that stuff. Tom said no one on earth can know what will happen in the next year in the ME due to so many factors being at work. AJ is selling the idea that he is “clued in” to the secret workings of the world, and it is brain candy to people who want to rush to their local bar and tell their friends how they know the real>/i> truth of how the world works.
He also says this devotees of AJ never do anything to actually help Whites. They don’t write letter, they don’t post good pro-White messages online, they don’t engage in anything>/i>. The fallacy is these people are so impotent in their actual political lives, yet can drive along in a car, imaging they are somehow plugged in to global events thousands of miles a way. It’s mental masturbation.
@pessimist:
Alas, the world remains awash in imperfect white men. Oddly, I am remarkably fond of many of them, despite all advice to the contrary.
Protocols? Henry ford found them useful and obviously knew that they were creative writing. Worth republishing but not worth arguing over their dubious provenance.
The business of depicting freemasonry as the real power and not Jews is a function of lumpen Protestant evangelical British Israelism that sees the poor Hebes as Gods pets or whatever, and dark robed Jesuits as ole Scratch hisself. The poor rural folk know the bankers are (were) Freemasons but he is not one himself due mostly just to his poverty. And he has been taught to hate Popery more than anything including Jews, so haunted by the specter of Guy Fawkes’ conspiracy the sinister Jesuit and hated bankers merge. That makes more sense to him than identifying the origin of usury exploitation in Europe in the first place, Jews, the origin of the religious indifferentism and international scheming that characterizes freemasonry-Jewish Qaballism. That’s the mentality Cooper embodied. Oh he talked against Israel-Zionism all the time but not Jews.Same schtick different day.
Jason thanks for the synopsis.
I guess I agree with that. Tom metzger is sharp tack, savvy comentator on a thousand topics, and under rated by people who hate him for his social realism. Tom had a Bircher stage too– back in late 60s I have read.
Haddings right, I totally forgot that a lot of that stuff emanated from LaRouchies.
I think this all about capturing audience. Beck is solidly in the the Jews corner after being spanked for going too dangerously close to naming them a couple of years back. Now that Beck is secured he is allowed him to throw out some racial tidbits to tease Whites, keep them listening thinking we will have a strong media voice in Beck and keep the legitimate competition upstaged. Alex Jones is basically doing the same thing with a little different twist. Both are useful idiots for Jewish manipulation of the public.
Alice posted this clip by Bill Whittle on some other thread. This is a better explanation of Cultural Marxism than anything Alex Jones has done. It’s more intelligent and more reasoned. Now, he doesn’t touch race (neither does AJ), but it does give good background into some of the intellectual movements that have hurt us and allows a person to argue intelligently . This provides better information than the “royal bloodlines” and “satanic ceremony” conspiracies that AJ pushes. However, this is also what’s wrong with conservatives. They don’t touch race at all.
These keeps the battle on the level of “culture”, which makes it sound like culture is something that exists independent of the people that create it (White people in this case). So, it’s a good clip, better than AJ, but it’s also an example of how limited a non-racial approach is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mqNVpACRLaI
@burrhus: You say “I will stop being anti-semitic when the semites stop being anti-gentilic. Not a day sooner.–Burrhus ”
Sounds good until you look inside of its logic.What they do is not some kind of historically limited program of actions hostile to whites with its temporal beginning and its blissful end.That is simply not in the cards.We cannot live together; not with them, not with Negroes,not with any other races. To put it clearly- they no more can refrain from being and acting according to their indelible characteristics than we can step out of our racial horizon. Somewhere tonight someone named,say Dr. Dreckbaum is typing a book “White Nationalism for the Dummies” and 10 years from now the leader of WN will be,yes,you guess it- an ardent firebrand of our cause Mr. Schnitzelkranz. They will never stop.Look at history,it proves it painfully .Radical divorce is the only way .Transoceanic divorce is the beginning of our renaissance.
@wattylersrevolt: “A 12 year old boy off the boat from Pakistan said out loud in his classroom at a US public school in Brooklyn that the Twin Towers were going to be knocked down in two days..he said this on 9/9. His teacher reported this incident to the FBI.”
How odd, since public schools in New York City, like most of the rest of the Western World, are closed on Sundays…!?!?!
@Will Hastings:
“You guys”?
Jared Taylor and Alex Jones are polar opposites. It’s hard to understand how you could use the two names in the same sentence without feeling weird. Jones’ agenda seems to be to attract attention to himself however he can.
Peter Schaenk makes fun of Alex Jones.
@Random:
You didn’t “refute” anything. You CONCEDED that the Protocols were not an authentic document, and now YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN. You don’t seem to know what “authentic” means.
You have this fantasy that maybe somewhere behind the Protocosl there might be a real document. Nobody can stop you from fantasizing, but nobody with any wits is going to take your fantasy seriously either.
This protocols stuff reminds me of something I have a hard time articulating. I’ll try: Basically, the fallacy is that some written plan is required for Jews to be Jews. Everyone goes searching for some secret document that will prove to the world how Jews follow a script they put together in the darkness.
Whitaker said, if I have it right, that the actions of your opponents always seem like a conspiracy. Hillary Clinton literally believed there was a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy against her. People on the Right just laughed – they don’t need a conspiracy to act in a pretty coordinated fashion against the Left.
the protocols are a complete forgery, though everything in the protocols of the learned elders of zion has come to pass in the last century, right hadding scott?
the jews have schemed since they executed Christ, the talmud is filled with their evil lies. so when talmudic jews tell me that the protocols are a forgery, in my book that is a virtual guarantee that the protocols are legit.
there are millions of people on the planet who believe in the protocols authenticity, including many jews. i guess that makes us all witless.
@Jason Speaks: Once you have some notion of evolutionary psychology, you don’t need the revelation of some formal conspiracy to make Jewish behavior comprehensible. Jews behave as they do as an expression of impulses that they inherited.
@chad: It’s all been said before.
@Anty ep:
I don’t think he could have known that when he began publishing it in 1920.
By “authentic”, I mean essentially that it has a jewish origin, as opposed to being a hoax created by a non-jew in order to attack jews. I can’t say that the authenticity of the document is proven, but certainly it cannot be disproven simply by pointing out similarities between it and another work. The fact that a document may have been edited and revised over its history hardly proves it is a fake.
So, you think jews faked the Holocaust without any conspiring (i.e. getting together in secret and making plans)? They all just intuitively knew what to do?
It seems that jews never conspire, but goyim often do. You’ve got the evil Russian conspiracy to fake The Protocols in order to blame the poor innocent jews, and the wily Arab conspiracy to take down the WTC because they hate our freedoms, etc.
Why is it that jews, seemingly uniquely among peoples of the world, never engage in conspiracies?
@Random: That’s not what the word authentic means. The Protocols would be an authentic document if it were exactly what it purported to be. You have admitted three times now that it is not.
@Jason Speaks: Derbyshire did write a great article called ‘The The War Against White Trash’, but his wife (the mother of his children) is Chinese, and he advocates letting Turkey into the EU. Alex Jones’s stuff about ‘Royal Families’ sounds much like Larouchie nonsense.
@Someday:
I wonder if that is where so much of this junk comes from – the Larouchies. They are a strange bunch. We were once accosted by them when I was working in a downtown area, on the way to lunch. It was around 2004 I think. They were nuts. They started asking us if we understood that some politician was Satan or something like that. They all had signs and literature. Very, very annoying. Everyone laughed at them. And they made a VERY negative impact. That is not the way to go, people.
Seems like I remember LaRouche talking about Royal families and how old Queen Elizabeth was running the whole world. Where did he get all his financing from back long ago? He used to buy 30 minute ads on national TV when he was running for president.
Larouch had a hard core of young supporters from reasonably well off families who stuck by him as he went from standard Marxist to conspiracy theorist, he had them shake down their parents for life savings. One theory for him getting a few of his people elected as Dems delegates was their WASP names.
Alex Jones mentions the neocon advisors, but it is as part of a scattergun approach; can he really be said to have identified the adversaries when he only mentions certain Jews as one component of an ‘international crime syndicate’ controlled by a collection of powerful blue bloods? He is saying that ethnicity is not the motivation, it’s greed by members of an illicit international big business conglomerate.
@90404: Jones’ Jewish guests are almost always linked directly to, or in a supportive role to his Jewish advertisers.
You can look at the synopsis sidebar of his daily program, and tell by the guests & their links to his advertisers where he is going that day.
Clearly I have not admitted any such thing. But I guess you’ll just respond to whatever I say by claiming that I have admitted defeat yet again, so I guess there’s not much point in continuing here.
@Random:
You did. You just don’t recognize it because the meaning of authentic eludes you.
From the comments, it’s clear that most of you have never listened to AJ.
As to the Protocols, authentic or not they seem to be rather accurate.
I compare AJ to JT because they have both been criticized here for not spewing JOOOO hate. I maintain that it’s probably a wise business decision. KM says that all strategies are good.
Let me explain why the Jews would never resort to conspiracy. The Jews are the light of the world, and they do what is best for everybody, and never think of their own interests. They love all of humanity and give selflessly of their time and wisdom, to help gentiles, who are less intelligent and less fortunate. In their infinite wisdom they flood white countries with hostile brown people, because the richness of diversity is wonderful to behold. I could go on and on singing their praises but I’d be here all day. Shalom.
@Will Hastings: Not only have I listened to Alex Jones, I called him up and argued with him, which was totally pointless because the guy doesn’t want to be confused with facts.
@Will Hastings:
If he says that then he’s wrong.
DK
Well, I was off by a two-five days. But the event happened..it was reported in the MSM news at the time..and it is easy enough to google the news story ten years after the 9/11.
What this news story makes very clear is that it was widely known at least in the Paki-muslim community in America that something very big was about to happen. And this very big event could only happen in a society that is tuned into only one frequency:how is my fantasy sports team doing?
What this all means is that it all take a set of over-the-top-horrific events to get the attention of the Native Born White American population..along the lines of race riots,severe draughts,meteriote impact,food shortages..scenes of White Women being raped in full view by blacks(I really don’t like this..but unfortunately, it is the kind of event that may actually snap White “Men” out of the emasculated jock-sniffing -frequency). I hope all of this happens..nothing else will wake White people up.
Halding Scott
Do you think 1)it is only Jewish Elites who are waging ethnic Jewish warfare against the Native Born White American Christian Majority or 2) the vast majority of American Jews are waging Jewish ethnic warfare against the Native Born White Christian Majority. If 2), what is the evidenc?. 1) is obviously a fact..but is 2) an obvious fact?
For Abe Foxmann,Noam Chomsky and Mark Potok(blataria gigantus):Native Born White American Christian Majortity…maybe I should capitalize for you guys?
Off topic;
British member of Parlament put a sixteen million dollar bounty on Obama and George Bush. Says he will sell house to pay bounty…I hope he is soon homeless.
Every strategy is wrong as long as you do not have the medias to back it.
That’s it, people.
Control of newspapers and television channels makes the difference between a “conspiracy theorist” and a “talented writer”, or between “the next probable President” and “the crackpot leader of an obscure political party”.
That’s the sad truth of the WN movement, why we lose since 1945. William Pierce understood it.
First off, let me state that I am the expert on Alex Jones within the WN internet sphere. I can tell that Edmund Connelly knows very little about this subject, as usual.
You need to start by reading my blog which documents Alex Jones’ Jewish/Zionist connections. And be sure to watch all the YouTube videos in the “Media” section of the blog. In fact, you might want to watch the YouTube videos first, because they will provide a context for the primary documentation on the blog’s front page. If you have any intelligent questions for me after thoroughly examining my blog, I will try to answer them.
Alex Jones Exposed
http://alexjonesexposed.wordpress.com/
Yep. That’s all it is. Alex Jones is a paytriotard huckster internet marketer. His radio show is a 3 hour infomercial for gold and other assorted paytriotard products being offered by his Jewish advertizers.
Read Hadding Scott’s posts about Alex Jones. He knows what he’s talking about.
@wattylersrevolt: “Well, I was off by a two-five days. But the event happened..it was reported in the MSM news at the time..and it is easy enough to google the news story ten years after the 9/11.”
Well, then, with that allegedly being the case, why have you not supplied us with any links, or other references, to substantiate the story that you wish for us to accept as true? Did he say on Friday, 9/7/1, that the World Trade Center towers would be knocked down in four days? Or, was he off by two days, too? Inquiring minds want to know….
DK
Google”Trade Center warning baffles Police” by Jonathan Alter MSNBC
@wattylersrevolt:
Here is what a reporter named Jeffrey Scott Shapiro wrote, exactly one month after 9/11, for a local Gannett newspaper published in suburban New York:
http://prisonplanet.com/student_spoke_of_attacks_before_sept_11.html
Here is what the same Mr. Shapiro wrote, one year later, as a self-styled attorney / free-lance investigative reporter:
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/shapiro/2006/03/stories_of_prio.html
Strangely, the Pakistani boatboy has transmogrified into– what else?– a Palestinian refugee; and, his previously Pakistani father, instead of quickly fleeing this country for Pakistan (during the no-fly period?) was reputedly in Israel itself, to visit resident Palestinian relatives, at the time of the attacks, and had his return trip cancelled, on 9/11 itself. Mr. Shapiro notes the change in ethnicity and nationality, but without any effort to explain away how he could have made such an egregious mistake, the year before!?! He then goes on to doubt that the crash of American Airlines Flight 587, on November 12, 2001, was an accident, and points out that– what else?– the very same malign boatboy (was he still a Pakistani then, or had he already become what he was to be, eleven months later?) had predicted just such an occurrence, just a few days before!?!?!
As my aged mother always suggested, even in my youth: “Consider the source!”
When mildly entrepreneurial Cantonese “businessman” working a street corner somewhere in Hong Kong tugs your sleeve so he can sell you Oyster Perpetual Cosmograph Daytona by Rolex for ‘jas fie dullah’, then you know he is involved with forged goods.
To this day I never figured out what the hell is meant by Judaic moans about the Protocols being ‘forgeries’.
Even assuming the non-kosher authorship of the work, why does it bear such uncanny resemblance to material that might have been lifted straight out of the Rothschilds’ playbook ?
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden: and that’s all that really matters in the end. the protocols are a virtual play by play of what has, and is, happening.
if everybody on the planet read the protocols of the learned elders of zion, it would go a long way in ending the insidious schemes of talmudic jewery. who wrote them is pointless in my humble opinion.
@Panina: So true. The MSM were, at some level, complicit in the 9/11 psy-operation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=reQZT9Hzvt8
Question above regarding who is screwing us over. Read “The Culture Of Critique.”
My take on Alex Jones is that he has some good info, even if he exaggerates. Is he an intellect of the stature of a Kevin Macdonald? No.
Is he doing us harm? No, I don’t believe that he is harming us at all. In fact, I think that he gets people thinking about things that the mainstream media simply refuses to deal with.
Alex has a good show today, dealing with the IRS revoking travel rights for people who owe taxes. The government is getting desperate now. It’s okay if banksters steal trillions, but let some poor working slob get behind a bit and see what happens. His show today is great and deals with important issues. I think we have some disinformation experts here talking sh** about Jones. He just flayed the Fed and the IRS and the banksters for three hours, and you dimwits say that he’s a bozo and covering for the Jews? I think not. Anybody with half a brain knows who owns the Fed and who owns the banks. So it’s not like he speaks in a code that nobody understands. He might not have a 150 IQ, but he’s got a good ol boy take on things that resonates well with a lot of people. I still don’t get why the people here on TOO look down on the man.
How did the white race meet its doom? It essentially happened like this–THE TRIPLE WHAMMY–, with Jews playing the crucial role.
There was a time when the West was intellectually, physically, and numerically dominated by whites. Whites had great pride in all aspects of their civilization.
White intelligence and Intellectual power served as the basis for scientific and economic success/power. Whites once held near total control over business, science, and knowledge. But with the Emancipation of Jews, Jews(with their naturally higher IQ) made great gains against whites in Europe and then in America.
So, Jews eventually attained intellectual, economic, and technological control over whites.
Even so, whites held physical and numerical power over Jews.
Whites, especially northern European types, were bigger and manlier than geeky Jews. So, white physical prowess/advantage over Jews filled whites with racial pride in their manhood and toughness. Jews, though capable of outwitting whites, felt intimidated by big white brawn. Jews wondered… “how can we defeat Teutonic brawn that fills white people with so much pride over nerdy Jews?”
Jews decided to push Negro athleticism. Jews had a huge stake in the sports business, especially stuff like boxing, and they did everything to ensure the rise of black athletes(who were naturally tougher than whites). With blacks whupping white guys, white guys lost pride as physical tough guys. Jews loved it when Joe Louis beat the crap out of the ‘Aryan’ race. Jews, who’d long felt intimidated by the big strong white man, was finally glad to see the white man ‘put into his place’ by Negroes who were managed and promoted by Jews.
So, whites lost intellectual pride to Jews and physical pride to Negroes.
Jews outwitted whites via their superior intellect and then castrated white male pride by using black athletes to beat the shit out of whites. With the fall of white male pride, there was also the danger that white male/white female unity would be threatened since women go for alpha males; since Negroes in sports in a modern society obsessed with sports, more white women were liable to fantasize about sex with Negroes. Also, black music, often promoted by Jews, made white women shake their bodies to black beat, and it was only a matter of time before white women went from imitation-blacks like Elvis to real Negroes like Seal, Flavor Flav, and Kanye West. Today, white girls are all lining up to spread their legs to negro rappers.
But whites still had numerical power over Jews(and blacks). To break the numerical advantage of whites, Jews pushed feminism and hoped to drive a wedge between white males and white females. It worked to some extent, but most white women still appeared to be sticking with white men.
And so the only sure way to destroy the final vestige of white power–numerical majority–was by opening the gates of Western nations to huge floods of third world immigrants.
Thus, Jews have brain power over whites, brawn power over whites(by using blacks against white male pride), and numerical power over whites(by using hordes of Mexicans in US and Muslims/Africans in Europe).
This is what the Jews have done to the white race, but Americans and Europeans get down their knees and worship the Jew. How pathetic!!
White race is finished. It’s only a matter of time. All we can do is record this tragic fall of a great people. Jews, in having pulled off this awesome feat–the utter defeat and enslavement of the greatest civilization the world has ever seen–, have indeed proven their greatness. But let it be known that Jewish greatness is the biggest enemy of the white race.
So, in summary, the TRIPLE WHAMMY EFFECT. Jews win intellectually, physically(through use of Negroes), and numerically (by using Mexicans, Muslims, and Africans).
One could argue that the one last vestige of white power is Christianity and traditional morality, but Jews have undermined that too with ‘gay marriage’ and other shit.
Jews…
Is going after passports of tax ‘delinquents’ such smart idea ? Most people in this country don’t even apply for a passport.
Meantime national debt is edging toward $16 trillion mark. Uncle Ben Shalom recently came out admitting that US-based banksters own a good chunk of it.
Alex Jones is a conundrum.
Yes, he does deliberately obscure the now obvious and disproportionate role of ethno-Jews (i.e., those hailing from the Baltic States and Germany eastwards to the original land of the Khazars) in the shenanigans, corruptions, and fraud that together fuel the forward movement of the NWO.
But, he has also succeeded in shaking awake a few million ordinary Americans (plus tens of thousands of Brits) who otherwise would today still be in deep slumber. He has brought many previously hidden issues to the attention of the public, who in turn have grown eager for yet more information.
Personally, I refuse to get hung-up on Alex Jones. It just isn’t worth the candle. I see him (and David Icke) as great popularizers of the Truth Movement, but I take neither too seriously. When they do provide new information, I always do a cross-check first before marking it as fact in my own reference system.
As for the previous, scathingly negative comments about the authenticity of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I can only advise this to everyone: ignore what anyone else says and simply make the effort to read them through yourself, from beginning to end.
You will soon learn that the events and overall direction of the 20th Century show clearly that those having the power to influence governments, the masses, and our monetary system were indeed following “The Protocols” as if the document was a blueprint.
I am always highly amused when idiots (which all Jewish apologists inherently are) argue that the document first revealed in circa 1903(??) is a forgery. For something to be a forgery, it must by definition be a near perfect copy of a genuine original. Ergo, there is no further discussion to be had. The collated agenda compiled from the minutes of several secret meetings — otherwise known as Protocols of the Elders of Zion — are of course real, genuine, and a substantive record of evil and conspiratorial intent. They emanate from the second half of the 19th century … most likely from meetings between various elite members allied to both the Rothschilds and the then burgeoning Zionist movement.
If it walks like a Duck, smells like a Duck, and quacks like a Duck, then it must be a …..
As a final note … I would recommend that those still sceptical of Alex Jones avoid watching his live broadcasts, and instead just collate the highlights (covering specific topics) from YouTube (or his own website). That way (in my experience) he turns out to be far less irritable to the senses. I must say that one of his biggest irritations (no doubt motivated by the mindset of his paymasters) is his and his Editorial Team’s obsession with “Nazis”. Everyone who is bad in the AJ Universe is by default deemed a “Nazi”. His stock plot line almost read like a children’s folk-tale. It would seem this “Nazis are everywhere” childishness has infected about 75 percent of the entire American population … which is on par as a large number of them truly believed the Martians had landed while listening to a “War of the Worlds” radio broadcast back in 1938.
Americans are easily frightened (spooked), which is presumably why they are more than content to finance a way-oversized military designed to intimidate the entire planet. Perhaps the next false-flag will have to be a George Lucas style Martian Invasion so the Pentagon and Washington DC can enjoy orgasmic thrills from turning on all the war taps at the same time.
BOOO!!
Anyone not talking about jews is getting in the way. People could just as easily learn about these things from us instead of from these impostors.
@D. K.:
Considering that the source of this story has a name like Shapiro and that the suspicious change of the boy’s ethnicity from Pakistani to Palestinian is not explained , we may assume that we have here an example of a little psy-op within the greater PSY-OP that was 9/11. It was probably not originally part of the main plot but spontaneously invented by the Jewish journalist himself. Hence the initial mistake of a Pakistani identity of the boy that later on was changed to the “correct” one of Palestinian.
Jews do such things spontaneously. It’s their famous ethnic solidarity that drives them.
The most important thing to get across is the motivation that ties Jewish activities together; several lines of evidence converge on the conclusion that the politically significant activities of Jews are largely motivated by ethnic strategizing. Jones mentions Israelis influencing US policy to favour Israel, but he carefuly avoids the subject of all the American Jews working for Israel. The crucial point – that ethnic solidarity and strategizing motivates the behavior of Jews – is one that Jones never makes, not even implicitly.
@Someday:
It is remarkable that you say this, because you are suspected of the same!
Israel is useful, it pins down Jews as supporting an ethnically based state only for Jews.
DK…..Whether the kid was Pakistani or Palestinian is besides the point. Shapiro makes specific statements about the police-local and federal-investigating what took place at Utrecht High School in Brooklyn. These facts are either true or false. Either the High School was shut down or it wasn’t..either the teacher and the student were investigated by local police and the FBI joint terrorism task force or they weren’t. These are facts that can be checked.
But no one should be shocked if it was well known in the muslim invader commnity that a terrorist attack was imminent. After all, one year earlier, Bin Laden’s second in command boasted to a CBS reprter how easy it would be to enter the US and commit a terrorist attack.
Larger point:no 1965 Immigration Reform Act plus a national origins immigration policy that completely muslims=0 probability of 9/11 occurring.. brain-dead obvious observation.9/11 is a massive indictment of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and post-1965 immigration policy..Alex Jones has bathered on for the past ten years about blamming the poor innocent muslims in American for 9/11. They are responsble..but so are the millions of Native Born White American jock sniffers who weren’t paying attention..and this includes the cops and fireman who died on 9/11. 9/11 was completely avoidable.
@wattylersrevolt:
To slur the valor and heroism of the cops and firemen who sacrificed their lives to help others is reprehensible. You are a disgrace to whites!
@Andrea Ostrov Letania:
You’re grossly overrating the Jewish People. White intellectual accomplishments vastly, vastly, outweigh Jewish. The accomplishments of Jews are confined to the ranks of science and even here the accomplishments of White genius dominates completely. But Whites invented the paradigm of science itself, and made a reality within a society. Whites invented the Industrial Revolutioin. Whites sent rockets to the Moon. Whites didn’t just produce smart contributers in the ranks. They produced the greatest contributers in the ranks, the ranks themselves, the instituations enompassing the ranks, the methodological framework and the scientific revolution itself.
Jewish accomplishment literally cannot be compared to White accomplishment, because White accomplishments is on a whole different level. It is incomparable.
Why else do you think the obsessive, hateful intensity with which they pursue our degradation and extinctioin. Since whn does a people do that to a known inferior that cannot compete? No, they do it because they know we are beter than they are. Not just better in all the physical and intellectual comparisons, but better as in more decent and good.
Also you grossly exagerate the interest White women have for black males in an almost inflammatory way. The vast majorit of White women have no interest in hooking up with a black man. Where it does happen it is usually confined to the lower strata of White society.
While not to be welcomed, in fact it probably delivers a eugenic effect to the White population that remains behind.
No….the better way to understand the last few decades is that organized Jewry saw its chance, and successfully broke up the coherence of White society, while strengthening coherence among Jewish. Even a mediocre football can beat an opposite side made up of uncoordinated individuals.
The implication of what has been done to White society is unlikely to be the end of White peoples. More ikely, the barriers in place preventing Whites from regrouping, will crumble and be crumbled, Whites will regroup. And then their eyes will fall onto the people and what they have done, and what they wanted to more to do if they could have. What has taken place is by far the worst crime against the White people in history. An attempted genocide.
@Andrea Ostrov Letania:
You’re grossly overrating the Jewish People. White intellectual accomplishments vastly, vastly, outweigh Jewish. The accomplishments of Jews are confined to the ranks of science and even here the accomplishments of White genius dominates completely. But Whites invented the paradigm of science itself, and made a reality within a society. Whites invented the Industrial Revolutioin. Whites sent rockets to the Moon. Whites didn’t just produce smart contributers in the ranks. They produced the greatest contributers in the ranks, the ranks themselves, the instituations enompassing the ranks, the methodological framework and the scientific revolution itself.
Jewish accomplishment literally cannot be compared to White accomplishment, because White accomplishments is on a whole different level. It is incomparable.
Why else do you think the obsessive, hateful intensity with which they pursue our degradation and extinctioin. Since whn does a people do that to a known inferior that cannot compete? No, they do it because they know we are beter than they are. Not just better in all the physical and intellectual comparisons, but better as in more decent and good.
Also you grossly exagerate the interest White women have for black males in an almost inflammatory way. The vast majorit of White women have no interest in hooking up with a black man. Where it does happen it is usually confined to the lower strata of White society.
While not to be welcomed, in fact it probably delivers a eugenic effect to the White population that remains behind.
No….the better way to understand the last few decades is that organized Jewry saw its chance, and successfully broke up the coherence of White society, while strengthening coherence among Jewish. Even a mediocre football can beat an opposite side made up of uncoordinated individuals.
The implication of what has been done to White society is unlikely to be the end of White peoples. More ikely, the barriers in place preventing Whites from regrouping, will crumble and be crumbled, Whites will regroup. And then their eyes will fall onto the people and what they have done, and what they wanted to more to do if they could have. What has taken place is by far the worst crime against the White people in history. An attempted genocide.
Alice Teller
Patriotard..”God Bless America” garbage. As adults, part of the larger White American community,the cops and firemen brought it upon themsleves. Like the rest of White America, they were more interested in Vinnie’s,Chrebet’s and Keyshan’s jockstrap when they should have been paying attention to race-replacement immigration policy. And if the muslims strike again in the heart of NYC killing more cops and fireman…then the cops and fireman are doubly stupid. The cops and fireman embraced the two race-replacement enthusiasts Bush and Giulliani as their heros…how dumb can you get..pretty dumb apparently…the cops and fireman should have called them traitors.
The sons of the NYC cops and foreman are going to be race-replaced in the NYPD and NYFD. These two departments will be majority…hispanics,asian and carribean. The cops and fireman who died on 9/11 for the race-replacement of their children and grandchildren. I am not interested in the sob story from stupid White Men who should have seen it comming…I mean, the muslim “Americans” almost knocked down the Twin Towers early November 1993 on a snowy day.
@John Phelps:
LOL That’s the point, you dummy. Alex Jones’ patriotard routine is supposed to resonate well with a lot of people, primarily Southern “angry White males” who are his target audience.
He’s an actor. It’s an act. He’s a con-artist huckster and he works for Jews.
I guarantee that Alex Jones has a higher I.Q. than you do. A high I.Q. is required to put on a fake persona and come across as genuine for 3 hours a day/5 days a week in order to sell overpriced junk scam merchandise to people over the radio.
Alex Jones is an actor. He’s playing a character. Every good con-man needs a gimmick to work his angle. Alex Jones’ particular gimmick is “angry white male American patriot”.
By the way, someone has told me that Alex Jones has professional acting training. Apparently, he has trained at the Actor’s Studio in New York City.
Here, watch these videos of Alex Jones defending his precious Jews against us vicious anti-Semites:
http://alexjonesexposed.wordpress.com/media/
By the way, did I mention that Alex Jones’ wife and kids are Jewish, as well as most of his advertizers?
Whites will need to learn to produce profitable, mass distribution and influential magazines of our own. To get mass distribution and avoid conflcts with the law as well as attract advertising money they will need to be only implicitly White (rather than explicitly ant-zionist etc). National Review needs to be bypassed and destroyed. It is clearly totally infiltrated and compromised and must now be regarded as totally hostile. Electronic distribution holds out some hope but we must be carefull to spread across plaforms: ie not just Amazon and iTunes but Barness+Noble and the open e-reader formats. It is also important to get the print form on the News stands. “American Thinker” seems to be quite close. Building revenue streams is important.
@Z.O.G.: Agreed.
The blusterous Alex Jones, high dudgeon and all, is just a persona. Other less talented actors in the 9/11 psy-opera rehearsed and learned their tightly-scripted lines, but fell way short of credible delivery. Back to waiting on tables.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wHeekgPqk
@wattylersrevolt:
Whites have not been racially aware for 70 years, that is true. But it is true of Whites in every country on earth. You could just as easily say the same thing about about Australians, or Swedes, or the French or the English. I do agree we have to wake White Americans up to the fact that what made their America great was largely because it was overwhelmingly White.
But there were unique things about America that made it so wildly successful. Those things should be kept. But we must wake Whites up to the fact that race matters. And that there is a worldwide attack on every White country on earth, and only White countries.
For those so inclined:
http://kat.ph/protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion-original-book-pdf-t107124.html
The uneducated, provincial, rough-around-the-edges son a cobbler Stalin managed – in the ensued power struggle that followed the death of Lenin – to shrewdly play various judeo-bolshevik factions against one another. In the end achieving his ultimate goal of sending all of this European educated, multilingual, world savvy kosher adversaries straight to the bosom of Yahweh (or however that arrangement works out in the Judaic interpretation of demise).
So if on a weekly basis Jones is reaching millions of baby back rib flipping, Michelob Lite sipping, favorite sweaty negro cheering species of Boobus Americanus, and does so with ad sales to allegedly Judaic vendors – this is a problem how ?
Hell, if I somehow could devise a scheme to get my neighbor Mrs.Trotsky to pay me for posting on here. LOL
@Z.O.G.: Good clips, thanks. A very skillful traducer of truth, Alex Jones.
The Protocols actually explains Alex Jones quite well:
10. IN ORDER TO PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO OUR HANDS WE MUST BRING IT INTO A STATE OF BEWILDERMENT BY GIVING EXPRESSION FROM ALL SIDES TO SO MANY CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS AND FOR SUCH LENGTH OF TIME AS WILL SUFFICE TO MAKE THE “GOYIM” LOSE THEIR HEADS IN THE LABYRINTH AND COME TO SEE THAT THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE NO OPINION OF ANY KIND IN MATTERS POLITICAL, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.
So everyone is just gonna spin their own homebrewed theories, call Jews names, and talk tough … but not actually do anything? Nobody wants to actually do anything like post pro-White sentiments on general forums with a consistent message that will awaken White people? No, of course not. Two years from now, the same conversations will be going on here, I can hear it now ….
“Why I tell ya, them thar Jews meet in secret in a Motel 6 off Sunset Blvd every year, and they plan exactly what will happen for the next 12 months. Anybody who doubts me is a Lizard Person. Me, I’m for raisin’ hell, for kickin’ ass … when will I act? Oh well, right after the Total Collapse of all Civilization and the arrival of a Mad Max world. Yes sir, I’ll be kickin’ ass on that day. Now, did I ever tell you about my other conspiracy theory …”
JS:”Nobody wants to actually do anything like post pro-White sentiments on general forums with a consistent message that will awaken White people?”
Exposing lies serves this purpose, and the “official 9/11 conspiracy theory” has as many gaping holes as the USS Liberty after the friendly fire incident. Home-brew never tasted better.
Why don’t you go do this instead of posting here? You’re by far the most prolific commenter on this site, and everyone with any sense regards you as a troll. Take your own advice.
@Trenchant: Thank you Trenchant. I do have other (inferiorly formatted) copies, but not an “original”. Very happy to add this to my collection!
@Random: Yes indeed. You might be interested to know the problem you rightly point to has been persisting now for over 2 years; perhaps a good bit longer.
Jwason Squeaks is clearly a nutter, with a still juvenile intellect. The fundamental problem is that other TOO Posters apparently have great difficulty recognizing this simple fact and thus persist in responding to his posts as if they (and ‘he’) actually meant something. Unfortunately, you cannot legislate against rank stupidity or lack of self-discipline.
If you have plenty of time to spare (if only!) then you could search back into the TOO archives to read me (Anglo Saxon) metaphorically (and repeatedly) putting ‘him’ over my knee and giving the creep a public smack bottom. I must warn you not to drink hot coffee while doing so as your bursts of laughter might cause you to spill much of it. :~)
@Trenchant:
Go for it. It apparently do anything to help Whites, but go for it,
@Trenchant:
I meant say, all the Liberty and 911 stuff has done zero for Whites from what I can see. Nobody connects that to stopping White Genocide. I’m not even sure you think Whites exist. How does any of that, if all true, make Whites realize they need to stop the genocide against them?
This kind of “implicit anti-Semitism” — like that of Glen Beck (which got Beck fired, of course)– will never become outright and overt anti-Semitism, no matter what the ever-vigilant Jews who are always keeping an eye open for it think, because typically these men are Christians.
That they are ultimately criticizing Jews is in their psyche’s blind spot, and this is one of the main reasons Christianity is dangerous.
If, however, they had the psychological and intellectual fortitude to stop being brainwashed into loving the ancient propaganda creation Jesus– i.e., pacifist, man-god and savior of all mankind, and instead saw instead the real one: the Jewish ethnonationalist who wanted all the non-Jews dead, they might just be able to see the light, so to speak.
But since most of the West has been in this phase of their collective illness for a thousand years or more, I don’t hold out a lot of hope.
And, yeah, Alex Jones is a crank. Anyone with ears to hear knows that after about ten seconds.
@Hasbara Matata:
As documented where?
@Hasbara Matata: We ethno-Euros need to get back to our native (pre-Roman-Christian) origins: http://www.asatru.org/aboutasatru.php
@Jason Speaks:
The Liberty Incident is useful as an illustration of the degree to which the United States government does not act on behalf of its citizens but is under Jewish influence.
The immediate reaction of many people after 9/11 was that it was blowback from U.S. support for Israel and that the U.S. government more or less asked for it and that this kind of thing could be avoided by not supporting Israel. It leads to the consideration of Jewish influence on U.S. foreign policy. The conspiracy-theorizing about 9-11 takes this simple and obvious fact and turns it into something complicated and dubious, usually taking the blame off of Zionist Jews: a favorite scapegoat of the “9/11 Truthers” is Dick Cheney.
@Hadding Scott:
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply that exposing the Liberty and how 911 was connected to our foreign policy had no value. That is all to the good. However, I have been hearing about the Liberty Incident for decades and it doesn’t seem to have the impact some people think it will someday. But yes, it is good to expose, and it will show how the US has been played for a fool. But I don’t think it leads to people becoming pro-White. But, I’m all for exposing it. Just not getting stuck on it.
@Jason Speaks: I used to know some VFW people that had never heard about the Liberty Incident. It might have more effect if the matter were publicized outside of “patriot” media.
There’s too much preaching to the choir, and not just about this but about a lot of things.
Just like those conspiracy-theorizing Holocaust deniers, right Hadding?
I knew nothing about the USS Liberty until seeing Missing Links, which doesn’t espouse any particular whodunnit theory, but does expose Israeli treachery, up to and including 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YResfXTXd1c
@Hadding Scott:
Hadding – I’m not necessarily saying the protocols are not a hoax but rather pointing out that the reason you are giving for believing that they are is not airtight. It is true that the protocols are partially plagiarized from something earlier. However, aside from the hoax explanation there are two others.
- The protocols are genuine and in their writing some material from elsewhere was plagiarized
- The author of the material form elsewhere got sight of the protocols and plagiarized that.
Of the two, I think the top one is most likely. In fact, it is very plausible that the authors of the protocols would use plagiarism for a lot of it.
Why do you rule that explanation out?
@Mickey Meadows:
…in fact come to think of it, considering the huge effort that was put into writing the protocols, and the huge public attention and scrutiny hey would recieve, it is actually not very plausible that the author would blatently steal a few passages and yet make up the rest of it with his own creativity. He would be destroying all of the rest of his work, why do it?
On the other hand, if the protocols were created for a small audience and there was suitable literature already out there that articulated the message they wished to confer, why not plagiarize it?
Just reasoning.
@Hasbara Matata:
Hasbara – I love it. What a bunch of dummies you must think we all are. Keep going.
@Mickey Meadows: Why do you indulge in such irresponsible and idle speculation? What shred of evidence can you supply, that indicates (beyond a shadow of all reasonable doubt that) the Protocols of the Meetings of the Elders of Zion are ‘plagiarized’?
I never cease to be astonished at the barefaced timidity that overwhelms most people whenever this topic arises.
Do you know, precisely, what the word ‘plagiarized’ means? Because the manner in which you have deployed this word (its context) suggests you do not. If your flamboyant claim was only partly true, then surely the act of ‘plagiarizing’ by its very definition proves that the Protocols must be genuine.
Look Mickey, don’t venture into territory you know next to nothing about. These are very serious times. Don’t play word games with a fundamentally evil blueprint that has led directly to the deaths through murder, torture, and devilish instruments, of over 100 million ethno-Europeans since 1900.
Do yourself (and us) a favour and do what Trenchant suggested people do earlier (scroll up a little to read his helpful comment, with URL link).
For convenience I repeat it here: http://kat.ph/protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion-original-book-pdf-t107124.html
Now download your own copy then read it through, in its entirety, before contributing any more nonsense about what you “feel” the Protocols actually are.
If you don’t know how to set up a Torrent file download, then for heaven sakes find someone who can show you how. Or alternatively, search for a short video demonstration on YouTube.
Read the entire document first (including Preface and Addendi), digest what you learn slowly so that you understand both it and the times in which it was written, and then you can attempt to comment with wisdom on the matter.
Do you know what the Sanhedrin is? Do you understand the scale of the Rothschild’s ownership of this entire world, including you as chattel? The Protocols is a revelation of these realities, plus a whole lot more. It accurately reveals the very core of the Onion!
James Bamford’s books on the NSA is an example of serious writing about conspiracies. It has a very good and credible account of the Liberty incident. “Body of Lies” I think its entitled. The book was well received and much available in bookstores.
I started his second book on the 911 stuff and just got sick of the whole mess at some point. But I would think that has good information too.
Justin Raimondo’s little book was quite good but didnt seem to get too much circulation. Jesse Ventura put a chapter about it in one of his books that seems well supported and not nearly as far fetched as some of the other conspiracies in that book.
Conspiracies exist, of course, all around us, every time criminals hatch a scheme, businessmen try to outcompete their rivals, children fight over a legacy, people sneak for sex, all that let alone akll the state and nonstate actors who play spy, terror, and war against each other. The same kind of people who like spy novels like to hear about conspiracies. That is fine. We are not just amusing ourselves though– or are we? I hope not. I have a a job and a life full of really fun things to do besides make these humble contributions.
I like Tom Metzger’s practical take on doing constructive activism, getting the word out, building up one’s own resources, using time wisely rather than on stuff that is unverifiable one way or another.
In my modest experience talking to veterans, Navy will know of Liberty more likely than Army. For obvious reason that sailors were among the victims, I would imgaine, although there have been some middle and high up officers in the Navy who seem to have historically been more aware of Jewish influence than others.
In typical amazing Israeli chutzpah, there was an article about how President Johnson was “responsible for the false notion that the attacks were malicious” Ha! Johnson the tool himself. Used and abused by Jews and blamed for spreading the right impression that they call false when in fact he would have been and was indispensible to the coverup of Israeli malice. See this is how Jews treat even their best allies! here is a link to the ridiculous propaganda http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/the-makings-of-history-myth-vs-plot-1.413451
@Mickey Meadows: You are another guy who doesn’t get the meaning word authentic. Protocols is supposed to be a record of a meeting. If it isn’t a record of a meeting — and it certainly isn’t if some of it was plagiarized (as you admit) — then it is not authentic, and therefore cannot be used as PROOF of anything. It’s FICTION.
@Random:
The Holocaust story itself is an elaborate conspiracy-theory. The notion that the Germans interned Jews for the same reason that the U.S. Government interned Japanese is much more commonsensical.
@Hadding Scott:
Hadding – could it be you are another guy that doesn’t know what a meeting is :O)
All the big decisions are done and dusted before the meeting even begins. Including the associated literature.
Meetings are for final decisions and action points.
I think we are pretty much where we were. There has to be a better reason why even people like yourself think it’s a hoax. One possibility is that the work supposedly plagiarized from came a long time after some point the protocols must have happened before in order to be authentic. Is there anything like that?
Otherwise, I really don’t think there is a logical case for dismissing the protocols, based on supposed plagiarism.
@Anglo Saxon:
Anglo old fruit, you are right that I don’t know too much about the protocols and have never read it. But to be fair, I wasn’t saying that I did, nor was I arguing that it was a hoax.
What I was saying was that the argument that the protocols must be a hoax if it contained plagiarism, is not sound.
This is because, the question of whether or not it is a hoax is a question of sincerity of purpose, Jewish origin, and intentionality of audience. It is perfectly reasonable and actually plausible that a Jewish author, perfectly sincere about the contents, intending it for a Jewish audience, would choose to plagiarise sections of other works that he felt served his purpose.
That was my point.
@Anglo Saxon:
Jason Speaks is one of, or the, most significant contributer on this lists. He always introduces, backs, or eventrually comes around to the best most workable ideas. He exhibits passion, and puts up with a lot because of his willingness to challenge and confront attitudes and approaches that have, as he says, abjectly failed in the last 50 years.
He isn’t always tactful about this sort of thing, which I think he should be. But I can appreciate the frustration he must feel at times. It’s his people on the line after all.
Now….I try make a point of not defending people against accusations of trolling or whatever, because in principle I think it is important to recognize that any one of us could be a plant.
So, yes Jason could be a plant. So could I, and so could you. Hadding could be a plant. But just in terms of my instinct for what is good for the whites, and also my experience of what sort of trolling strategy tends to work, and what sort of strategy people would focus on in a place like this, Jason would be at the bottom of my list.
Why? Because their strategy would not be to disrupt the interactions of commenters. They don’t give a f*** about the commenters anid see them as irrecoverable reprobates. What they will want to influence and disrupt would be the MUCH LARGER population of MAINSTREAM readers and visitors. That is the threat to them. The influence.
Now, looking at Jason. Everything he ever says is focused on the problem “how can we do something for the silent majority that must have concerns, how can we make them realize we are just like them, they aren’t alone, that we aren’t freaks and costume wearers or hitler lovers”.
That’s Jason. And if you consider where the potential is for this site, that’s on the money thinking.
@wattylersrevolt:
9/11 occurred because the hijackers with western intelligence connections and some being flagged as terrorists not to enter the US were operating through a protected terrorist trafficking network to support Chechen terrorist groups to control the Caspian basin.
The 9/11 intelligence warning say this with all or nearly all of the hijackers originally recruited to fight in Chechnya and one author even claiming that Basayev and a Chechen terror cell were in Atlanta, Georgia in 2000.
It has nothing to do with immigration act of 65 as the terrorist either lived in Europe or they were not permanent residents coming into the US in 2000 on tourist or student visas.
US ambassador in Saudi Arabia admitted that he was handing out large numbers of US entry visa’s despite clearly failing to provide basic details on entry forums because they were being used and trained in the US to fight the CIA’s proxy wars abroad.
Jack
The passage of the1965 Immigration Reform Act set into motion an over-the-top loosening of US immigration policy and law. So once treasonous and foreign fith columns used their financial resources to influence immigration policy in a way that promoted the interests of corporations,businesses of various sizes and various demographic groups such as muslims. As a consequence, the US-to quote bin Laden’s second in command-is a very open society..that virtually anyone can walk-fly into if they have the resources.
So if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, the loosening up of US immigration policy would not have happened…very unlikely that all the special visa categories that allowed Mohammad Atta and his conrades in would have existed. But remember what I wrote: to make it an absolute certainty that 9/11 would never happen, there would also have to be a national origins immigration policy that excluded muslims. Your statements about intelligence connections and Cheneya just comes across as vague half-backed conspiracy theory stuff.
The 9/11 hijackers had a mission and a plan..and they sucessfully carried it out. It wasn’t all that difficult…and it wasn’t all that difficult because of what the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act had set into motion for 40 years…40 years of loosening up US immigration policy
@Anglo Saxon: Anglo Saxon, when you speak about the root cause of all our destruction being jewish led feminism, over time I have begun to agree with you wholeheartedly. If our women still felt that kids where more important than a career our world would be a lot better place with more white folks.
However, you are completely wrong about Jason Speaks, our brother in arms against genocide. Please open your mind to what he is saying.
Today on Alex Jones during a rant he said, “synagogue of devilry.”
By not mentioning the elephant in the room Alex does not have to face charges of anti semitic and can have guest who would be afraid of being labeled such, Rense may be more honest but Alex gets higher ratings
@Mickey Meadows:
Being capable of critical thought and not being crazy are important contributing factors.
Better be careful whom you call “people like yourself.” The broad category of people who understand that Protocols is not an authentic document includes Dr. William Pierce and, I am pretty sure, Dr. MacDonald as well.
The Judaic explanation for the origin of the Protocols was that they’d been brewed up by the Czar’s secret police. Pack of biological anti-semites™ that they were.
A more ‘sophisticated’ line holds that Protocols were a quilt made up of not so disparate bits lifted from the works of various non-kosher secret societies based in Europe.
Which oughta raise the question how did the Russians manage to get their hands on such material to begin with.
@Mickey Meadows: @Vlad Writes:
Vlad / Mickey … I think (not sure, but I believe) I have been commenting here on the TOO pages for a quite a considerable time longer than you two gentlemen. So, I have seen and experienced history here that you will only be able to glimpse by spending hours with your noses buried in the archives (assuming they are still all in one piece).
The Commenter “Jason Speaks” has been commenting for as long as I (about 3-1/2 years) and perhaps, for several months longer. Therefore, my opinions of “Jason Speaks” were formulated (based on clear evidence) at least 2 years ago. The situation back then was extremely bad, disruptive, and chaotic. Many TOO readers simply gave up and went elsewhere, solely because of the insane antics of your ‘friend’ … “Jason Speaks”. I might add that JS had a couple of “close allies” back then, which amplified his disruptive effect.
I can assure you that when a Comments thread is devoid of his contributions, the debate quality immediately rises by several notches. The TOO archives are full of comment threads where (within 48 hours) the primary focus of discussion became not the Published Article, but the half-cocked rants and effeminate stupidity of “Jason Speaks”. At least half the contributors to TOO seem to think he is somehow cute, and thus tolerate his ubiquitous and puerile postings.
This wishy-washy and accepting attitude falls into the same category as travellers within the USA tolerating having a TSA goon sticking his finger up their ar*es before they are allowed to board their flight.
When I use the word ubiquitous, I am not exaggerating. This juvenile creature repeatedly racks up 20 percent or 25 percent of the total comment count in every thread. He literally lives on this website. You can also see this when you look at the speed and regularity with which he responds to others’ comments. I would not be surprised if he posts something within 5 minutes of this comment being made visible to ‘attack’ me. Being savaged by a poodle is no fun, I can tell you! Ha-ha-ha.
Admit it. He is a nut job. About a dozen other TOO commenters have (independently) reached the same conclusion. If you go back into the archives you will find some absolutely astoundingly emotional, hysterical, and ridiculous rants against me and others for the crime of pointing out his boring, vacuous, and high frequency contributions here.
No normal person would or could post comments of the style and ubiquity this character does. Why you should feel the need to defend such a person puzzles me. But, in this world of confusion and endlessly relative values, it should come as no surprise.
The White Constituency does not need “Jason Speaks” or anyone else like him. If we had visits from any more like him we’d become a laughing stock. Respectfully, you guys need to grow a back bone and get tough. We are being slowly genocided. We cannot afford any longer to take prisoners or tolerate distracting clowns.
One shot one kill is the only way we are going to collectively dig ourselves out of this mess. You understand the gravity of what I am saying now???
@jack: You write:
… Ad nauseam.
No … 9-11 occurred because a cabal of conspirators with access to highly advance technology and weaponry wanted to create a highly visible, emotion-laden, new epoch creating, false-flag event that would in turn facilitate the cultural and social conditions for the imposition of a follow-up Homeland Security lock-down within the USA. Surely this is why airline passengers are now being fingered in their rears just to gain the privilege of keeping their Boarding Cards intact. Or have you got a better idea to explain all of this?
The 7/7 event in London (2005) was created by the exact same international criminal group (Washington/London/Tel Aviv axis) in order to manufacture similar political conditions within Britain. The UK does not have any explicit Homeland Security organization, but the resulting effects vis-a-vis new statutes is effectively the same.
9-11 was also a necessary prelude to the financial crash of October 2008 and the Quantitative Easing (printing of money) that followed.
It would appear Jack that you still don’t get it. What is wrong with you? Do you know yet? Why can’t you process blatantly obvious evidence? You prefer to follow what your unseen Master tells you to believe, eh?
@Michaela:
He was referring to the Nazi Germanic Death Cults which secretly control the world.
@Mickey Meadows: Yes Mickey, I know you have never bothered to read the Protocols. Your highly speculative comments on this topic make that fact quite obvious. When did you learn to waffle on topics that you have not yet studied, and thus know very little about?
Hitherto, I had considered you a reasonable intelligent chap. So, are the Protocols your ‘blind-spot’? Why is that? Scared of the Matrix your Rothschild Banker masters have created for you? Feel a need to obey when put under just a little pressure?
People who have never read an authentic copy of the Protocols (preferably the original translation of Nilus’ work) yet who have the temerity and arrogance to then claim the Protocols are a ‘forgery’ or a ‘plagiarization’ … resemble a homosexual attempting to describe what it is like to have sex with a beautiful young woman.
The Protocols are authentic. They are real. They were ‘discovered’ by an Orthodox Monk (Nilus) when still in HEBREW.
And there exist other documents listing ‘Protocols’ (also written originally in Hebrew) that were penned at other times in history, each of which corroborate the major body (the infamous 24 x Protocols) that have indeed shaped, distorted, and corrupted our collective history since the end of the 19th century. The ‘great’ Jewish Conspiracy is thus confirmed, by their own hand.
Anyone is free to submit an article to TOO on 9/11, the USS Liberty or the Protocols (which had massive publicity in the favorable climate of the Twenties without doing any good).
I think the best strategy is to lead with out strength, ie talk about the Israel-first Jewish advisors who, aided by Jewish political power, are directing US policy toward Israel. That way we could get a bit of credibility by citing undisputed facts about the affiliations of people like Dennis Ross and David Wurmser while predicting the attack on Iran which is made inevitable by the influence of these Jewish advisors.
Meant to say ‘lead with our strength’ of course.
It is a strength because the factualbasis for claiming Israel-centric US Jews were in the key positions for influence on US policy toward Israel is beyond dispute. The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel . That’s not true about other isssues. Most importantly, correctly predicting the coming attack on Iran by the US (after the election, whoever wins) will result in people being more ready to listen to nationalist predictions about other issues.
As things heat up we can expect more and more alternative news media outlets to say what the sheeple want to hear (wrapped up, of course, in anger, outrage and moral indignation). The old, tried and tested idea of controlling the opposition is at work once again.
In all this, Jones is a leading figure. As the obvious malignant Jewish role in the destruction of the Western world can no longer kept from view, what could be better than controlling exposure of the Jews through a fiery Jewish shill like Jones. I’ve noticed, for example, that not one single show (and I mean NOT ONE SINGLE SHOW!) passes with some or other reference to the evil Nazis and the of course Hitler. Jones is positively obsessed with Hitler and it seems, so are many of his guests. Just recently, that pompous windbag Gerard Celente was invited by Jones to advertise his latest Trends Journal, entitled “All Aboard! Next Train To Auschwitz”, in which, among other things, Celente, with enthusiastic nods of approval from Jones, espoused the idea that, since American voted in a Black as President, the USA cannot be considered ‘racist’. In other words, racism is an exclusively white on black phenomenon, and if whites don’t show it, there simply ain’t no racism. That whites are being systematically genocided by blacks obviously doesn’t fall within the parameters of ‘racism’, no do calls for “Kill Whitey” or Jewish attacks on white culture count as ‘racism’. Whites voted for Obama, ergo, there is no racism in the USA!
Jones’s technique revolves around: 1. allowing people to vent their anger by pointing out malfeasance in the government and economy (stuff which we all know anyway) and getting people to think they are doing something by being pissed off. 2. sandwiching one lie between two truths.
Carolyn Yeager has done some interesting shows in a two-part talk (The Heretics’ Hour: Disinformation on the Internet) on Reason Radio Network. She deals, among others, with people like Gordon Duff, Alex Jones (and his ridiculous “V Campaign as resistance against Nazi NWO”), Jim Marrs, Webster Tarpley, David Icke (Hitler was a Rothschild and a Reptilian), Henry Makow, and other disinfo agents. It’s well-worth listening to these shows.
@Anglo Saxon: I concur, and for those who feel the BBC is not part of 7/7, would recommend The Ripple Effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDnwvdwtVEI
@Anglo Saxon:
You are utterly misinformed. The original was in FRENCH.
well, I don’t see what the sense is in talking about whether the protocols are ” authentic”
It’s like your team has the other teams play book ( or a ‘forgery’ of one) and the other team has followed it to a T and they are kickin your teams butts. Then you say ” the play book , it’s a forgery”
Very odd.
jee wizz , I wonder if through all of the thousands of jewish political think tanks over the centuries there might have been a kind of central guiding strategy written down or at least a disclosure of one.
nahh, that couldn’t be. just ignore the protocols and only talk about ‘real’ things.
@John hearns: It makes all the difference if you are going to try to use the Protocols to awaken somebody to the Jewish Problem that isn’t already convinced. Such a person will regard you as a dangerous nut when he finds out that you are trying to convince him with a well known fraud.
I am afraid that there is something seriously wrong with the education, if not the MIND, of people that can’t understand why citing inauthentic sources is a bad idea.
HD , I think you missed the point .
I will try again ….
It’s like your team has the other teams play book ( or a ‘forgery’ of one) and the other team has followed it to a T and they are kickin your teams butts. Then you say ” the play book , it’s a forgery”
Very odd.
How about we agree that it is not important that the protocols might be a forgery of some kind, like, for instance, it was ‘our side’ that become aware of a kind of central plan and then forged a document in an attempt to publicize / reveal. Is this possible?
Isn’t it that that the protocols have been so accurate in predicting the future as shown as time has passed , that is what makes them very much NOT something we should try to negate ?
@Random:
The Protocols actually explains Alex Jones quite well:
10. IN ORDER TO PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO OUR HANDS WE MUST BRING IT INTO A STATE OF BEWILDERMENT BY GIVING EXPRESSION FROM ALL SIDES TO SO MANY CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS AND FOR SUCH LENGTH OF TIME AS WILL SUFFICE TO MAKE THE “GOYIM” LOSE THEIR HEADS IN THE LABYRINTH AND COME TO SEE THAT THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE NO OPINION OF ANY KIND IN MATTERS POLITICAL, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.
[ Bingo ]
@John hearns: Great point! Agree entirely!
@Hadding Scott:
Hadding … we have all been misinformed, including you Sir. We all need to cooperate in good faith. Remember the cry of the English of olde: “All ye of good faith …” ??
Now, let me clarify a little more for the benefit of all. I shall quote directly from Victor E. Marsden’s original book, augmented by annotations / elaborations written by me.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was translated into English, from Russian, by Marsden (who was previously the Russian correspondent for “The Morning Post”). Much of his work was done in the British Library.
It was translated from Hebrew into Russian, by (Professor) Sergyei Nilus, a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church, who published his first edition in 1905.
Nilus adds that the Protocols are not exactly minutes of meetings, but a report, with a part apparently missing, made by some powerful person.
He had indeed received (as you imply) a manuscript from a French source (in 1901). Since before the Jacobite Revolution France has been little more than a nest of Jewish-masonic conspiracy, so no surprise there! Recall that the Orthodox Jews of Eastern Europe had restored Hebrew from total obscurity during the mid 19th century. These zealots were frequent visitors to Paris and to other Judaic-French enclaves.
In January 1917, Nilus had a 2nd edition prepared but before it could be put on the market the revolution of March 1917 took place and Kerenski (remember him?) ordered the whole edition to be destroyed. Later, Nilus was arrested by the Bolshevik Cheka, imprisoned and tortured. He was then exiled and died early in 1929.
Marsden’s original English translation consists of 72 pages. On page 71 he makes reference to what he calls “A Protocol of 1919″: a document, written in Hebrew, and found in the pocket of the dead Jew, Zunder: the Bolshevik Commander of the 11th Sharp-shooter battalion.
This document threw considerable light upon the secret organizations of Jewry in Russia at that time. I repeat … this “Protocol of 1919″ was written in Hebrew.
The final paragraph of the book (p.72) then states the following:
So Hadding, there can be no further doubt about this matter. You have (like most others) swallowed and digested the propaganda seeking to dissuade acceptance of their authenticity. Can you change your stance at this late stage? Marsden was much closer to the original source than your or my imaginations could ever be.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written in Hebrew. That was the language in which it was first found, because at that time, Hebrew was understood by very, very few people in the entire world, and only by a handful of non-Jews (mostly Russian academics like Nilus, plus a few “Orientalists”). Thus, Hebrew was used routinely as a ‘cypher code’ to hide all the [Ashkenazi] Jews’ secret documents, plans, and communications.
Ergo, “The Protocols” are real, genuine, and an authentic record of malice, revenge, cupidity, and murderous hatred. Everything we witness today MUST now be viewed through them as if they were a light prism.
Clarity of purpose (and of strategy) will then be ours.
Regards,
Angelsächsischen
For anybody that doesn’t already understand the Jewish Problem, Protocols is the worst possible way to try to try to convince that person, because it is very likely to backfire.
For expanding the awareness of somebody that already has some insight into the Jewish Problem, there are lots of non-fiction resources that can be used (Kevin MacDonald, Israel Shahak, William Pierce, David Duke). Introducing that person to the Protocols is just going to lead to unnecessary embarrassment for some or all involved.
There is no good use for The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Its main utility is for Jews who want to discredit their critics by saying that those critics relied the Protocols as a source of information.
@Anglo Saxon: Revilo Oliver says that the original was written in poor French.
All of this is beside the point. It includes plagiarized passages. It is therefore fiction. If you don’t understand the logic in that, then you must be on drugs.
@Hadding Scott: It’s the “Protocol of 1919″ that was written in Hebrew and was found on a dead Jew named Zunder. This is a completely different question from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
See? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
@Hadding Scott: Okay then. Suit yourself.
I went right out of my way to show courtesy, and to provide rational proof for your benefit. In response, you have revealed your deep-seated addiction to rudeness. I shall therefore treat you with the contempt you clearly deserve in future.
And as for the ‘testimony’ of your “Revilo Oliver” character, I really couldn’t give a fig leaf. I have just demonstrated that he (and others) must be in error. As I carefully quoted directly from the true source, I can’t make it any more plain than I have already done.
You are part of the problem Hadding. No solutions will come forth from your tiny mind, we can be sure of that.
@Hadding Scott: Another of your problems is that you clearly do not know how to read proper (educated) English. So for you to put forth shallow arguments about “poor French” is somewhat amusing to say the least.
hadding scott, why is it so important for you to debunk the protocols? i mean your obviously a very intelligent guy, but we’re all wrong sometimes, (myself more so than others) and on this, you’re just wrong man. the protocols are the blueprint for the whole diabolical scheme.
@Anglo Saxon: You could have at least done a Google search or checked Wikipedia before coming here utterly misinformed and presuming to straighten everybody else out.
@chad: Because stupidity makes us look bad.
concerning alex jones, i used to like him and his show, but the guy absolutely refuses to point the finger at the jews who are responsible for destroying us.
i mean, you have to be blind not to see who is behind it all, and he’s been in the truth movement for as long as i can remember. which means he knows, and to blame a nazi death cult just makes him a liar.
the last time i listened to his show, a lady called in discussing jewish treachery, and alex cut her off because he said he doesn’t talk about the jews because the next thing you know people are saying, “kill all the jews.”
then they went to a commercial, when he came back, i swear before God he said this, he said that he was recently pulled over by a cop in texas, and when he walked up to alex’s car, he had swastikas tatoo’s on his arms, and then alex said the cop said, “Heil hitler.”
that was it for me, i never went back, i never will. it’s too late in the game to be talking about freaking nazi’s. we need the truth, now or never.
in my opinion jeff rense is just as bad, he’ll have the truth about the holohoax and israel sandwiched in between stories about klingon birds of prey swooping around stealing nukes or something. i mean come on, ufo’s? almost like it’s designed to make the truth look ridiculous. just my humble opinion of course.
@Hadding Scotta>
Hi Hadding – from our reply it seems you read the ‘people like you’ part of my comment that there had to be more reason for people like you to believe the hoax idea, as a put down.
This wasn’t the case, and it’s hard for me to see how you might have thought that given the context. By saying there had to be more reason, I was implying that people like you would require more reason. You’ve got a well earned distinction in my view as a thinking, intelligent analytical person. That was the point…there has to be more reason!
I’ve not read the work nor know the history….I’m just going by the logic of the what I’ve heard here. The plagiarism argument doesn’t work because the question about the protocols is whether it was written by Jewish conspiritors.
The point is, it really wouldn’t matter if conspiritors stole passages in the making of their document. What would matter would be their motive/intention behind the writing of the [partially plagiarized] document.
E.g. let’s say I write out a plan for some sort of fraud that I intend to actually carry out, and in part I steal some ideas that I consider useable from a work of fiction. Does having done this, change the criminality of what I’m doing? No, it is irrelevant.
Same for the plagiarism in the protocols. So what are the additional details that make you decide it was a fraud?
@Anglo Saxon:
Anglo – You seem fine to me too. After all we are on the same side and that matters most. But…if I was to make a small friendly criticism it would be that you seem to close your ears once you’ve jumped to a conclusion about something.
What I have raised about the protocols *does not* rely on having read it, nor on any deep understanding why it has been called a fraud or why you consider it isn’t a fraud. All of that is irrelevant to the point I was making which was purely on the logical side, that the presence of plagiarism in the protocols did not, and could not, mean that the document itself was a fraud. It doesn’t mean it is legitimate either.
See my comments to hadding for more details.
About Jason. Again….I think it’s a case of sticking with a belief you formed a long while back.
But either way…you’re a good man in my books :O) None of us are perfect. You add a lot. More than me for sure.
@Mickey Meadows: This information is EASY to get. Check Wikipedia. It’s there.
Alex Jones unloads on Mossad asset Rahm ‘Aggressive Mosquito’ Emanuel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8tyUvv6d0
@Anglo Saxon:
You may care to watch The New Hiroshima, which blows away the blow-back theories proposed by wattylesrevolt and friends. It raises questions that deserve serious consideration. The “truth” wardens, à la Jones, don’t want people sniffing in this direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozuS4vc83YE
‘The buildings were brought down by intense fires triggered by explosions of aviation-grade kerosene that was in the wings of planes piloted by camel drivers who were sent on a mission by turban wearing fearsome cavemen of Waziristan who hatched the whole plan in the comfort of air-conditioned lair that was built by the Bin Laden Construction company during the war against the Soviets.’
Did I capture the official narrative more or less succinctly ?
Because such whale poop won’t wash even among 3rd graders of a school for mentally handicapped.
It is also a depressing reflection on what this country’s ruling elites and their loyal buttwhores in the piss-stream media actually think of the intellectual aptitude of the American public.
The most thorough investigation of The Protocols on the internet can be found here:
http://www.mailstar.net/hiding.html
An important point:
The problem with plagiarism in The Protocols is that it works both ways for the jews, so perhaps they put it there on purpose in case they were caught, if the document is real, or the forgers slapped it together quickly, borrowing material and never really considering it would catch on with the public and be questioned too deeply. I’ve never read beyond the excerpts, which even if plagiarized or authentic describe the jews well, and is entirely plausible whether fiction or fact. It is something the jews are capable of, and it is something someone could have forged. I think we can all agree the jews have convinced the public The Protocals are forgeries, so unless a credentialed academic or equivalent can come up with irrefutable truth otherwise, we look bad claiming it is real, even if we are right.
Far better to hit them over the head with the Talmud, which can really be hard to defend.
The jews who are alive today have a lucky inheritance equivalent to Howard Hughes. Sure, his dad died when he was 16 or 17, boo hoo, I know the feeling, believe me. I had relatives die in WWII, (saving my future persecutors) unfortunately for them but since I wasn’t alive I don’t really feel their pain. Jews today are massive beneficiaries of distant relatives suffering. As if a 25 year old jew today feels any pain that their relative got murdered. It is a gift – you have a pair of aces in the hole on every hand, and the other guy has to play for the stakes you demand. He gets every benefit and no pain at all. It is like winning the lottery.
They get to pound people over the head with someone else’s suffering as if they experienced it themselves, instead of the wealth and privilige they usually have had growing up, because of their well known profiteering.
@Random: It’s an utterly irrelevant point. The Protocols are supposed to represent statements made at the first Zionist congress at Basel in 1897. Maurice Joly’s Dialogue in Hell, plagiarized in that work, is from several decades earlier.
If it were up to me, you people that are SO STUBBORN in pushing this dead issue would not be allowed to continue, because what you are doing is pure mischief.
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden:
‘The buildings were brought down by intense fires triggered by explosions of aviation-grade kerosene that was in the wings of planes piloted by camel drivers who were sent on a mission by turban wearing fearsome cavemen of Waziristan who hatched the whole plan in the comfort of air-conditioned lair that was built by the Bin Laden Construction company during the war against the Soviets.’
Did I capture the official narrative more or less succinctly ?
Either that or it’s a third rate comic book story?
@Hadding Scott: @<a
I've checked there Hadding….but it looks like the plagiarism is the only basis for calling the document a hoax.
Can't you see that this isn't the only good explanation for that plagiarism?
And if it's not the only good explanation, then surely the other explanations need to be properly dismissed. That is to say, not dismissed as in "ye will not go there…" but an explanation why an antisemitic hoax is a better explanation for the plagiarism than a semitic conspiracy document featuring some casual plagiarism?
Given all we know about the world standing here now, why is your explanation the one we think to be most likely?
@Mickey Meadows:
My impression is that everyone who is well known and has researched the Protocols within WN has dismissed it as a fake. At least I’ve never heard any of the figures we all know refer to it, certainly not in the last 50 years. So, I tend to believe them. Beyond that, I don’t think Jews have to follow a secret script. The script, as it were, is in their genes.
@Mickey Meadows:
Plagiarism from Joly’s 1864 dialog in what is supposed to be the record of a meeting from 1897 is all the evidence that any reasonable person should need that Protocols is not what it purports to be.
Your attempt to reconcile plagiarism with authenticity reminds me of the old saying: It’s a lot easier to cheat a man who is a little bit crooked himself.
@Mickey Meadows:
No, because frankly we are plagued by a lot of very stupid people (or possibly provocateurs) who won’t quit no matter how well it’s explained.
@Trenchant: Thank you for another very useful link Trenchant. I consider Dr. Judy Wood an outstanding Heroine of our times. Her self-published (I think), and highly illustrated book is a must-read. Also, Investigative journalist, Christopher Bollyn has finally finished his 9-11 book and (since 2 weeks ago) it is now available via Amazon.
@Mickey Meadows: I don’t mind criticism Mickey, especially when it is well considered like yours nearly always tends to be. Yes, I can “close my ears” … I am an Engineer by academic training, and am a trained trouble-shooter, with decades of practical experience. This fact should be sufficient to explain why my approach might be an attractive and productive strategy for others (such as your good-self) to learn and emulate. Face it. There are a lot of confused, ill-informed, and egotistic idiots posting on-line, so it really doesn’t pay to be too accommodating or mutable. One has to stand one’s ground unless or until someone can present compelling evidence to the contrary. Since the destruction of Germany (1943-45), endless “appeals to our emotions” are what has driven (Judaized) Western Culture the world over, and this has been our collective downfall. Evidence? …
… Please read this: Empire of Yin (Brussels Journal) http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3541
Naturally, my ears are always receptive to genuine (new) evidence. This is exactly how I have learned in the past. I base my NWO reasoning on the “weight of evidence” principle. I recommend you do the same. You know as well as I do that we can very seldom prove anything at all (especially in politics, economics, and history) so the only way to move forward and stay sane is to base one’s knowledge and opinions on the “weight of evidence” principle.
But, having said that, I think if you look back at past comments and exchanges here at TOO, then you will find many more commenters with ears far more tightly closed than mine! To be consistent, you should not remain silent when confronted by them. Indeed, I have publicly accepted and applauded the well-formed arguments (WFA) of other commenters here, on several previous occasions. I doubt if more than 2 or 3 others have ever done the same. Notable exceptions will be commenters such as my good friend Pierre de Craon, whose elegance and wit undoubtedly possesses the honour needed to accede to another’s WFA.
Black & White logic is a hindrance. Hadding Scott wants to win the argument badly, because he is trapped in a pseudo-Western, black/white paradigm. It is a “winner takes all” attitude. He wants us to believe the Protocols are a hoax (plagiarized or not) simply because he himself feels them to be so. If he acquiesces to my powerful reasoning on the actual origins of the Protocols (buttressed by quotes from original sources) then he believes he will lose face. He won’t, but it is sufficient for him to believe (or ‘feel’) that he will.
I tend to follow the Asian way where there are many shades of grey in between the black and white polarities. I possess advanced engineering training (AI) which employs both black/white (2-state) logic, and greyscale (multi-state) logic. FYI the multi-state logic is predicated on probability.
You can be sure, Wikipedia will not help you at all with the Protocols question, but it will likely prove informative if you wish to consult it for definitions of scientific ‘probability’.
Of course, we will NEVER prove that the Protocols are authentic. It is still nigh on impossible to prove that it was actually the Poles who goaded the German Wermacht into invading their territory, despite the well attested and inflammatory comments of Marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły, Poland’s Commander in Chief after 1935 (not to mention the ongoing murder, by Polish Jews, of ethnic Germans living near the Danzig Corridor). But I do believe I posted a very compelling argument earlier (scroll up) that explains why we should default to a solid expectation that the Protocols are unquestionably authentic.
Please read my earlier comment (about Prof. Nilus’ translation into Russian from the Hebrew) again, and consider copying it onto your hard-drive for future reference. Like the Baseball pitch, we must mark out the diamond on which this game is going to be played with some permanent markers.
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden: It’s easy to forget how devilishly clever these Muhommedans were. What chance did we stand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0reZSXkJ5gY
to be quite honest, i’ve known spoiled kids who didn’t resort to the childish name calling that you do hadding scott.
if somebody doesn’t believe every thing that pores out of that pie hole of yours, they are stubborn or stupid or witless or on drugs.
and did you really just label people who don’t agree with you, “provocatuers?”
maybe you should take a break from spamming posts for awhile, until you can calm down a little partner. you know, kind of like a time out in the old penalty box. hope that helps.
@Anglo Saxon:
I won the argument before it started.
I can’t believe that Anglo-Saxon is still claiming that Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was written in Hebrew. It was only the “Protocol of 1919,” a completely different text of only a few paragraphs, that was supposedly written in Hebrew. The famous “Protocols” to which so many people refer was written originally in French. So wrote Professor Oliver, who wanted to give the work every possibility of being authentic but could never say that it was:
That’s from R.P. Oliver, “Those Awful Protocols.”
As I said, some people will NEVER QUIT.
@chad: Sorry, but I lost patience with people whose learning-curve is perfectly horizontal sometime last year. I didn’t say that Chad was one of those people, but if you think you are, you might be.
@Hadding Scott: If only the Protocol mongers were just provocateurs. The awful truth is they are probably all sincere. I hate that we have to waste time arguing with unbalanced people like that, I can see there are a lot of them.
@chad:
IMHO it is understandable and legitimate that people will have concerns about things like the protocols being extensively discussed here. Whatever the underlying truths, the protocols are a totally lost cause in terms of influencing new people.
So far as that goes, I’m in agreement. On the other hand, I find it disturbing that there is no actual argument why they are an antisemitic fraud. YOu have to understand that people like me coming here, relatively new to it, are constantly waking up to yet more instances of mainstream ‘truths’ just being bullied and coerced into place by a small group of people, with everyone else just acceptiing it must be true for psychological reasons (or fear).
Then we bump into the protocols. The situation looks just like all those other instances. There’s no strong definitive argument, and a hell of a lot of subtle social pressure to just accept it was proven a hoax without questioning why. What’s odd is that this is the balance of views in WN circles too.
But you have to see this, as I say, from the perspective of a newcomer. I am having to face up to personal misconceptions even now, every week. Every week another sacred cow gets killed in my little world. So for me…this protocols thing could be a case of, some WN’s haven’t got around to facing up to the fact the fraud story isn’t actually at all sound.
It could be that, or it could be the other direction. Both are possible. But I’ve had to completely give up on the idea of accepting this sort of thing based on social pressure. I wouldn’tbe here if that wasn’t the case.
@Hadding Scott:
But hadding – it goes the other from what you are saying. If one or a group of people are creating a document to represent and inspire a sense of mission in a group of people, and if they decide to plagiarize some sections of literature that meet their needs *then* it will *obviously* come from literature in past history. Right? I mean you are not going steal it from tomorrow’s literature, are you?
This is about logic and explanation. If it is so obvious to you that plagiarism from something 30 years earlier is a sign that the document could not have been written by semitic conspirators, then can you spell it out, so it is clear to me?
The more I hear this argument about plagiarism of some work from 30 years earlier, the more wrong your conclusions. It just doesn’t stack up. Any intelligent person can see that the argument just doesn’t work.
E.G. for the second time: If I am writing a plan for, say, a major bank robbery….and in that plan I borrow some ideas from a work of fiction written in 1970….does that change anything? Anything at all, in terms of my motive? Does it make less likely I am serious about the bank robbery? Are my plans magically transformed into a work of literature because I borrow some ideas or passages from literature? Does the fact of my plagiarism exonerate me from my criminal aims?
No…it’s totally irrelevant. It’s a category mistake to think that the presence of plagiarism is a *definitive* argument in either direction. It isn’t.
Did you even read this article? Revilo Oliver seemed to think the Protocols were genuine, and certainly thought they were worthy of study.
@Hadding Scott:
Ah yes….now this point must have some truth. It probably doesn’t help us at all to be talking about the protocols, and it probably does help everything that is against us.
But….the truth is also – probably – that it is better to concentrate a discussion like this under an Alex Jones title than have it cropping up all over the place.
It’s not ideal…but probably better to concentrate it here. Or…better….point us to a WN-authored piece “why the protocols are a hoax”. Presumably there is a definitive work done by someone so as to put the matter to bed?
I’m sorry but I’m not going to be able to trust wikipedia or anything mainstream. I want to hear an analysis from a WN intellectual. I think that is an understandable position.
@Mickey Meadows: The burden of proof at this point lies with those who persist in citing them, thereby asserting the ‘Protocols’ might be in any way genuine. Anyone who cites them can expect to be challenged about the document’s lack of verity, and their own unwisdom.
pro or anti protocols, the important thing for all of us to remember is, alex jones said the cop walked up to his car with a swastika tatoo on his arm, and said to alex, “heil hitler!”
I was pleased to read Revilo Oliver’s article, which I had not seen before. It seems to me that throughout he essentially admits that they were inauthentic. But he says, like an accurate roadmap, if they describe the terrain correctly, then they are useful.
Moreover its obvious that RPO appreciated that they described methods that jews had been using for centuries. See his comments about Spain. Indeed they had been and really other powerful groups have used stratagems as well. The similarity to parts of NM’s “The PRince” comes to mind.
RPO as a professor of languages ancient and modern was at the acme of human skill where linguistic analysis was concerned. His writing is always a pleasure for people who are interested in words and etymology. I am not surprised that he believed them inauthentic but useful. That ws the opinion of many others of his time.
So the point of disagreement between Hadding and RPO, RPO thought them useful and promoted their sale through Liberty Bell, in spite of admitting their inauthenticity. WHereas, Hadding thinks we should be promoting the use of credible sources that do not make us look stupid.
I agree with Hadding. I have known these works for decades and never recommended them. We increase our credibility by using credible sources and we decrease it by using inauthentic works of fiction that are even today pushed as minutes of some meeting. That is utterly ridiculous and if you have seen very many minutes of meetings you know these are not minutes of meetings. Do we advance ourselves by the promotion of the ridiculous? No. We make ourselves loook stupid. People dont want to follow stupids.
@Hadding Scott:
You won’t find it in your New Testament– not directly, anyway.
He was a Jewish rebel– one of many during the Roman occupation of ancient Palestine. Christianity created the Gospels, not the other way around. The fact is that Christianity is an ancient propaganda effort of Hellenized Jews and their Gentile dupes, not a jot different from the efforts of Jewish Utopia peddlers and their minions today.
Disinterested scholars have understood this for a long time, and many ancient Romans, like Celsus and Porphyry, even knew what was up, then. There were probably many more as well, whose works Christians didn’t allow to survive once they had gained power.
This is a useful text for anyone sincerely interested; it was a selection of in a sort of English Freethinkers Book-of-the-Month Club over fifty years ago:
http://www.ditext.com/robertson/christianity.html
@Anglo Saxon: For the benefit of the ‘blind’ yet mouthy idiot calling him/herself, “Anty Ep” (@ 12:45 pm) I shall repeat the following short extract, taken directly from the first English translation by Marsden (which I published in the earlier comment to which this one links):
Did you understand all of that? Or would you like me to translate it into Swahili for you?
The Protocols were translated from Hebrew into Russian, by (Professor) Sergyei Nilus, a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church, who published his first edition in 1905. His attempt at a 2nd Edition was violently thwarted by Kerenski. This work (the 1st Edition) was then translated from Russian into English by Victor E. Marsden.
They (the Protocols of the Elders of Zion) are authentic, and were written or dictated by someone totally consumed by malice and hatred specifically for all ethno-Europeans, and generally for all of humanity. Their originator also had a hugely exaggerated sense of his own self importance. Again, this feature would be impossible to fake, especially in such a consistent and convincing manner.
The very tone of the Protocols indicate they could NOT have been hoaxed. Only someone with genuine intent and “malice aforethought” (who is used to wielding great power and influence ~ most likely associated with International Banking) could be consistently yet methodically insane while formulating the entire and cogent set of 24 ‘Protocols’.
@ Trenchant
Notice the acknowledgement of illustration as having been lifted from Times of London. Owned by who ? The Grand Poobah of zio-con propaganda mill Rupert Turdoch.
A good chunk of zio-con disinfo campaign was run in likewise fashion.
First they’d plant a disinfo turd with a zio-con friendly foreign or domestic source, then reference said turd while asserting before American public that their info (read: disinfo) is also being corroborating by 3rd parties.
Them Yiddish people are a clever lot, eh ?
@Hasbara Matata:
So you were referring to some Jesus described in the Talmud?
@Z.O.G.:”First off, let me state that I am the expert on Alex Jones within the WN internet sphere.”
As a long-time follower of both your’s and (with painstaking, thoroughly documented details you provided) Brother Nathanael’s explosive exposes and the damning commentary by the many helpful bloggers on those pieces who further buttressed the iron-clad criminal case against Alex Jones, I agree whole-heartedly. You ARE the foremost expert, and thank you for all your hard work involved in your many other invaluable compilations of the overwhelmingly Jewish criminal syndicate and all their deadly contributions to the disinfo agents who work overtime to deceive others.
Here’s a former writer and recent defector from “Prison Planet” who’s finally seen the light (I’m planning to post your link as well as the three exposes by Brother Nathanael’s blog there) to ensure as wide as exposure as is deserved:
http://revoltoftheplebs.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/i-declare-war-on-infowars/
I’ve never listened to an Alex Jones show and could barely stomach seeing the clips from the bombastic, obnoxious traitor that is Alex Jones. I did watch several of his “films” from Youtube and knew right away he was a well-funded propagandist serving his Masters. The threatened lawsuit against Jeff Rense following Brother Nathanael’s first piece really heightened my curiosity and proved to be a first-rate education into Jewish-financed disinfo agents.
Thanks, again! Everyone here would be well-served in spending some time investigating this creep further since studying our timeless enemy can only help us in identifying the false opposition they (and THEY ALONE) are so generously funding.
My gut feeling tells me the Protocols were neither real nor a forgery but a warning in fictional form, written by a Russian or group of Russians who could see the way the wind was blowing.
@hello: That’s pretty much the take of Revilo Oliver and William Pierce, that it’s historical fiction, more or less.
The problem is that it has always been represented as authentic, and people even posting on this blog still want to claim that it is authentic.
The original motive for misrepresenting Protocols as a genuine record of a meeting is obvious: everybody knows that a work of fiction doesn’t prove anything.
his “eugenics” stuff is ridiclous. he depicts bill gates as some crazed white racist who wants to reduce african population. If the elite was as he says why would they import the 3rd world?
@D.K.:
You can’t understand this seemingly “contradiction” because you don’t know what the real agenda of the New World Order is, which is briefly as follows :
1) A CENTRALIZED WORLD GOVERNMENT.
Hence as intermediate steps the creation of regional “unions”, such as the European Union, the North American Union, the African union etc., which will have to be merged in due time into a One World State under elite dictatorship. Other steps towards this aim were the creation of the United Nations and various other international bodies such as WHO etc. The Global Warming Hoax by Al Gore c.s. was also meant as a step in that direction (to establish global taxation and global regulations). Another aim is the establishment of a centrally controlled (electronic) world currency.
2) DEPOPULATION.
Since the Global Elite is only small (a few million) they need only a relative small population on earth to serve them as their slaves. The rest of humanity consists of “useless eaters” and has to disappear. To achieve this Depopulation Plan following means are used : attacks on fertility by poisoning the drinking water, food and medicines ; promotion of wars, poverty and famine ; chemtrails ; the spreading of sickening vaccinations ( here “philanthropist” Bill Gates comes into the picture).
3) ENSLAVEMENT OF THE REST OF HUMANITY.
For this purpose they have to be zombified and completely controlled.
Zombification is achieved by : weakening the brain by toxic food and medicines ; dumbing down of education and culture ; deracination of the people culturally, ethnically and racially ( by means of “multiculturalism’).
Complete control is achieved by the establishment of a police state ( socalled to “combat terrorism”) with surveillance cameras everywhere and ultimately with the compulsory implantation of a microchip by which everybody can be monitored and his central nervous system be influenced.
This is in short the New World Order Plan. You can find this information at Alex Jones, David Icke and others if you bother to take the trouble.
Since the white race is too intelligent and too freedom-loving to be good slaves it has to disappear altogether. Hence the White Genocide Project. This has to be achieved by : 1) lowering their birth rate ( by the promotion of homosexuality, feminism, abortion, excessive taxation), 2) mass-immigration of high fertility non-Whites, 3) the promotion of miscegenation ( you can see this daily in films, on TV and in advertisement).
Now you can understand why such central men of the New World Order as Bill Gates ( by no means a “white racist”) promotes on the one hand third world immigration into the first world while at the same time trying to reduce the population of the third world with his nefarious “vaccinations”.
Third worlders in the first world are used to “breed out” the Whites by miscegenation, while both the number of the resultant mongrels in the first world and non-Whites in the third world itself has to be reduced until only a manageable slave population of non-Whites and mongrels remains.
So there is no “contradiction”, it is part of the same agenda. Capisce?
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Many elites would love to centralize world power, but the overall depopulation point just isn’t supported by anything (yes, I know about the Georgia Stones). The population of the earth has never been bigger, over 6 billion now. It will probably be 9 billion by mid century or so. So where is the depopulation? Hell, I’d love a little depopulation in certain areas. I’ve been hearing tales of vaccines gonna wipe us all out for nigh on 20 years. I’m still waiting.
They are trying to import tons of third world people into White countries for the sake of political control – what Vdare refers to as the establishment electing a new population. But there is no serious evidence that the are poisonous us with toxins.
David Ickes and Alex Jones are just not reputable sources.
Don’t forget the war on small farmer (read: white) whose numbers in the past 40 years have dwindled to a point where they are about to fall off the radar screen altogether.
Via concerted effort of Big Agro, Big Pharma and their obedient prostitutes over @ FDA who under the banner of ‘food safety’ unleash armed police against families running pig farms or raw milk warehouses.
The very same FDA that otherwise is perfectly content with all the genetically modified crops; antibiotics; synthetic growth hormones; synthetic fertilizers; synthetic sugar substitutes; artificial flavor enhancers; artificial colors and artificial preservatives contained in the foods purchased by the vast majority of American consumers active in a market where organic food sales occupy a paltry single digit niche.
In that once the Big Agro succeeds in forcing all of their remaining competition (read: family farms) out, you’d be on their permanent hook.
So brace yourselves for a future when all of the meat, fish and poultry will be coming out of farms modeled on Auschwitz (as in literally, minus imaginary gas chambers), along with genetically modified (read: poorly disguised bio weapon) fresh produce and prepared foods whose list of ingredients reads like Mendeleev’s table.
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden: To the sins of big agro, I’d add the destruction of small Mexican farms (NAFTA, take a bow). Dispossessed peasant farmers have become ready workers for the drug cartels south of the border; others who don’t join the cartels migrate north with family.
Alex Jones and his puppet-masters would like people to continue not to question that soft aluminium fuselages cut through structural steel and concrete like butter and then dissolve within a structure leaving no residue.
To doubt this would compromise the fourth estate’s reliability, and control of the public discourse could be lost.
Who gives a damn if he’s anti this or that? Who cares if his wife/lawyer/advertisers are part or full Ashkenazi? The only thing the sheeple should concern themselves with is whether or not WHAT he says is TRUTH!
Remember the mass-murderer Vlad Lenin, mantra;
The best way to control the opposition is to LEAD it. That poor sap died virtually broke after Schiff and the other Central Banker boys were done funneling 600,000,000 rubles in gold away from the Russian people and into their banks he was nothing but a “useless eater” himself!
People like Alex Jones have been around since the 1950′s and they have never done any good. What he does is an act, or “shtick.” Anyone can pick up this shtick and run with it if they want a career in talk radio. None of them are sincere.
Spotlight style conspiracy obsessions are a distraction form the really important issues — which are usually right out in the open –and are also repellent to normal people.
We’ve had 60 years of failure with this approach. Nationalists in Europe, who are far more successful, have no interest in Alex Jones type material.
This business of digging around for Judaic bones in the family plot of his wife’s grandfather’s twice removed cousin on the mother’s side over in Galicia (or wherever they hail from) is a giant masturbatory exercise.
Something you’d encounter when a rabbi contemplates marrying off his daughter, but 1st must take suitor’s DNA and break it down searching for presence of any non-kosher parts.
Alex Jones isn’t going be repeating the Duke act on radio. David Duke already does the Duke act.
Should Jones start literally pointing finger and naming names of you-know-who (for the feeble-minded unable to read between lines) any more than he already is, he’d get tossed off the air faster than you can utter the words ‘Rick Sanchez’.
I ask, how in the grand scheme of things would such outcome be beneficial to the rest of us striving to get the masses to put down that remote control and snap out of their trance ?
@Jason Speaks: Human beings bounce back stronger from mild stress, the response is called hormesis. The idea that small of doses of pollution will actually reduce the population is preposterous.
@D.K.:
N.B. As should be obvious, on the face of it, the post from that “D.K.” did not come from this “D. K.”– “…often imitated, never duplicated!”
I would like to thank readers for their informed comments. I had expected more people to approve of Alex Jones, but the strong sentiment that Jones is a shill for the usual suspects forces me to be even more wary of Jones.
Also, I’d like to thank Z.O.G. for his link to http://alexjonesexposed.wordpress.com/
and the evidence that Jones’ wife is essentially Jewish. If so, that is an important piece of information.
I guess all we can really say is this: Jones is a huge phenomenon. If he did not pass the kosher test, he would be destroyed.
The botton line about The Protocols (like Henry Ford noted) is that EVERYTHING that its written has happened and is happening right now.
Also I would like to thank Mr Connely for have correctly observed that the movie Taken is a jewish revenge fantasy and slander/mis-information/psy-ops. A NY jew, Robert Mark Kamen wrote it, he is a good friend of producer and owner of the Europacorp Luc Besson who started the career of the Israeli actress Natalie Portman.
Jews will never forgive France for opposing the Iraq War, even with Napoleon emancipation of them and with five jewish French Prime-Minister: Leon Blum (first socialist), Rene Mayer, Pierre Mendes-France (terminated the French Empire), Michel Debre and Laurent Fabius.
There is also the case of Stavisky the french Madoff who bankrupted France in 1930s. Simone Veil, a Holocaust survivor who legalized abortion in the 70s. Robert Badinter, a bessarabian jew lawyer that ended the Death Penalty in the early 80s.
The Tikkum Olam has backfired in the french jewish community because most of third-world immigrants are uneducated blacks and arabs muslims, the third generation of immigrants is more alienated and angry than their parents, they have nothing to lose and the ethnic French and jews are increasinly aware, Marine Le Pen showed that.
Funny to realize that if as not for the NYC “incident” Dominique Strauss-Kahn who is a walking anti-semitic stereotype could have been the next French President.
@Edmund Connelly: No he is not a shill, just deluded like all the other conspiracy theorists.
@Someday: One man’s ‘delusion’ is another man’s insight.
After 3+ years of reading your perpetual ad hominems and petty arrogance, it is clear you excel in only one area: that of pronouncing imagined and colourful ‘medical conditions’ on those who cause you political offence (the majority of folk).
@Someday:”deluded like all the other non-believers in the officially-endorsed conspiracy theory”, I believe you meant to say.
@FREE MAN: Interesting that Le Figaro, not a leftish paper, ran this on Sarkozy, the Fifth Man.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/andie531/le-figaro-sarkozy-worked-mossad
@Trenchant:
@Someday:”deluded like all the other non-believers in the officially-endorsed conspiracy theory”, I believe you meant to say.
Hopefully, the irony is apparent …
I would say that the deluded are those who can not comprehend that the official version is about a conspiracy.
( and IMO , a conspiracy that is completely unbelievable , to put it mildly )
Or more ironic yet:
The official version would take vast amounts of delusion to be believed.
@Trenchant: Sarkozy is a piece of work, he provoked the 2005 riots when he was Minister of the Interior so he could get elected in 2007 it the “tough on crime and immigration” sermon.
I think the popularization of Marine Le Pen was his plan, France will probably suffer a social breakdown by 2017 and he just going to take the money and runaway.
@Anglo Saxon: In searching through the archives for something I still haven’t found, I stumbled upon this thread, which for one reason or another I had not even opened till now. There are two things I have to say, and I regret that you might not see them because I’m saying them so late.
(1) I have come to share your high opinion of Judy Wood, in large part because I first heard of her thanks to Morgan Reynolds—and I certainly have a high opinion of him. For better or worse, I am as prone as the next man to write off things that seem “outlandish” unless the call of respect or affection trumps the urge to hew to the “respectable” line. Fortunately, it would be virtually impossible to convince me that Reynolds, who epitomizes the hardheaded, nuts-and-bolts kind of guy, has gone all flaky and tinfoil hat just because he doesn’t believe that a couple of buildings got knocked down by the equivalent of a few rolls of wadded up . . . tinfoil. (That really is the mot juste here, isn’t it?)
(2) Thank you very much for the generous remark you made about me in another commenty. I do indeed hope that I will stay true to your characterization of me by remaining open to the WFA, and wherever it originates be damned!
Please don’t get the idea, however, that I will henceforth be even more inclined to listen to your arguments, whether WF or not, with a more receptive ear! No chance at all, A-S. No way. Certainly not till flowers, dinner, and a movie are forthcoming.
Word on the street is that the Le Pen camp proposed to supporters to either stay home, or cast in favor of the other Khazar (read: Hollande) thereby ensuring that Sarko is ejected from political scene for good.
@Jarvis Dingle-Daden: Assuming for the sake of argument that what you hear is true, do you consider Le Pen’s step a wise or even clever one? That is, would the ouster of Sarkozy represent a gain of some sort, or would it merely substitute one major problem for another? Also, what would such a Khazarian-swap strategy tell us about Marine le Pen? That is, should we take heart from it or not? In short, do you think she can be trusted?
My disgust with what has been happening in France is so marked that I have essentially lost all perspective on this and similar matters and would appreciate hearing a less jaundiced view.
Bill Buckley welcomed the Neo Cons into National Review and it did not take them long to totally take it over. Before Bills death he realized this but it was too late. Fox News the other champion of “conservative thought” is totally run by Neo Cons. Judge Nepolitano was too libertarian for Fox and so was buried to Fox Business but became to popular even there so was shut down. Alex Jones uses code words “globalists” to avoid the anti semetic smear. This is why he can have more main stream guests on like Ed Asner. Jeff Rense may speak more truth but it has cost him people willing to go on his show because of being labeled anti semitic. To me the real test of Alex Jones is he has stayed friends with David Icke who is a real threat to the powers that be
@Pierre de Craon: Given your impression of Reynolds, I give you this as the counterpoint to the megaphone bombast of Jones.
http://bit.ly/eukhwV
@Trenchant: Thanks. I’m duly impressed.
As with most of the other really sharp Truthers, Wood is so commonsensical (with regard to the fundamentals of physics and engineering, that is) as to appear to the uninformed as if she lacks imagination. (My own older brother, an electrical engineer who decades ago was one of the designers of the engine for the Apollo 11 command module, has also always been that way when he’s in shoptalk mode. Of course, who really wants an engineer to be imaginative at the expense of engineering competence anyway?) The fact that listening to Wood talk is occasionally about as exciting as watching paint dry is, sadly, going to put off people trained by Tribal Hollywood to confuse science with entertainment.
“The complaint about Alex Jones is exactly the opposite : that he “covers for the Jews”. ”
I think this is basically true however because Jews are both so paranoid and so nepotistic they can’t restrain themselves from gradually filling *every* position of power with a Jew so it’s becoming slowly impossible to talk about the “the powers that be” without being anti-semitic simply because they nearly all are.