Peter Brimelow has a wonderful article at VDARE.com, mentioning John Derbyshire’s firing from National Review and noting that
in the last few years, an astonishingly long list of MSM journalists have been eliminated because they challenge, or are thought to be about to challenge, the MSM’s Leftwing consensus—for example, Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Pat Buchanan. Even Rush Limbaugh has come under attack. (“Help VDARE.com Save Immigration Patriots From Living In “A State Of Constant Fear”!“)
Brimelow might have added Rick Sanchez, Helen Thomas, and now M. J. Rosenberg. Yes, Alan Dershowitz and the rest of the organized Jewish community (including the ADL, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and “major Jewish leaders”) are rejoicing that Media Matters “separated itself” from Rosenberg, who was fond of calling the Israel Lobby “Israel Firsters.”
One can only imagine the pressure put on Media Matters, their contacts in the White House, and on Jewish donors like Penny Pritzker who are the backbone of funding for both the Democrats and Media Matters. For Media Matters, what goes around comes around: They have been influential in getting rid of people like Glenn Beck removed from Fox News by pressuring advertizers, but they cannot withstand the financial fallout of a campaign by Dershowitz to get rid of one of their own staffers for political reasons.
But the big recent story is Derbyshire, an articulate race realist. His critics on the left and among mainstream conservatives are horrified at what Derbyshire wrote, but routinely fail to rebut his ideas. Would even the most benighted liberals want their kids to violate Derbyshire’s rules on “statistical common sense”? I thought of Derbyshire when I read “Report shows widening gap between Ethiopian pupils and other Israelis.” We can expect to find similar stories in the U.S., on the children of Ethiopian immigrants, along with stories on how the schools are failing them.
I’d love to post Derbyshire’s race-realist stuff at TOO, but he’s not likely to want to publish here because we deal with Jewish issues. Race realism doesn’t imply realism when it comes to Jewish issues. I guess being a philosemite does not necessarily protect one from the forces of evil. Indeed, even being Jewish is no protection. As Alex Kurtagic notes, Robert Weissberg was quickly removed as a National Review contributor when it was found out that he had recently given a talk at the AmRen convention.
Richard Spencer has a great article on the Derbyshire firing at AltRight:
Owing to the decline of the “Gate Keeper” media, at no point in the past half-century has implicit racism been more intense. And at at no point have explicit racists, like Derb, been more furiously denounced.
The new wave of conservatives, represented by [Andrew] Breitbart and [Glenn] Beck, have peddled implicit racism; they’ve made a great deal of money off implicit racism. But the trick only works if they shun and condemn anything approaching actual White Nationalism. (Race-Baiting and Its Discontents)
Spencer points out that what he calls “movement conservatives” routinely show misbehaving Blacks (e.g., facts about Trayvon’s thuggish nature) and Blacks victimizing Whites (here’s the viral video of the recent attack by marauding Blacks on an Irish tourist who violated a one of Derbyshire’s rules by venturing into a Black area of Baltimore where he was beaten up, robbed, and stripped him naked while a crowd of onlookers laughed). But then these same conservatives condemn Derbyshire for saying things like Whites should be afraid of large concentrations of Black people.
Spencer points out that it’s the difference between “implicit racism” and “explicit racism.” Implicit racism is the logical corollary of implicit Whiteness. Like everyone else in the media, these conservatives want an audience, and they know exactly what brings in White viewers. As with the Trayvon Martin affair, conservatives realize that their overwhelmingly White audience are fed up with the “Whites victimizing Blacks’ mantra.” So, as I noted in my previous article, conservatives like Sean Hannity show a video of Florida Black teenagers who left school to protest the Martin shooting by rampaging through a local drugstore. It plugs into into all the stereotypes and is eagerly devoured by his overwhelmingly White audience. But it’s all okay, because Hannity has a couple Black IWSB’s (Derb-speak for “Intelligent, Well-Socialized Blacks) who condemn their fellow Blacks; so it couldn’t possibly be “racist”: Obviously not all Blacks are like that.
Derbyshire’s sin was that, even though he acknowledged that some Blacks don’t fit the stereotypes, he explicitly talked about the statistical patterns. Blacks are different.
Spencer describes Glenn Beck as a “Grand Master of the race-baiting game” because he came to prominence accusing President Obama of “a deep seated hatred of White people or the White culture.” Beck also engaged in what may be termed “implicit anti-Semitism” in his attacks on George Soros. He made it very clear that Soros was a Jew who was the puppet master pulling the strings of the left and engineering a financial collapse which would impoverish all but a few.
Even though Beck has stated that Soros’s Jewishness was not relevant to his actions, the image of Soros the Jewish master manipulator is sure to remain in the minds of Beck’s followers and it’s hard to imagine that Beck did not intend this. It’s a short step from blaming Soros to blaming Jews in general, especially when it is well-known that the organized Jewish community and a decisive majority of American Jews are on board with his leftist agenda in the US. (Glenn Beck on George Soros)
Beck was eventually forced out, a victim of Media Matters and Color of Change, both groups funded by the Jewish left, including Soros.
Despite the decline of the mainstream media, it’s pretty clear from the recent spate of firings that they still have quite a bit of clout. The powers that be must realize that they are sitting on a powder keg. However, appealing to implicit Whiteness, implicit race realism, and implicit anti-Semitism translates to good ratings, so we will continue to see this sort of programming directed at White audiences—programming that feeds into their very legitimate fears, frustrations, and anxieties , not only about the current state of affairs but also about their future in a society where Whites are no longer the majority.
The reason for the increasing shrillness is the fundamental change in the media environment which is no longer restricted to a few easily controlled outlets. Media competition is more intense than ever, so there is ever more temptation to appeal to implicit attitudes that appeal to the very real concerns of Whites–followed by explicit statements affirming the basic norms of political correctness; or perhaps using implicit strategies like having some IWSB’s around who will condemn bad behavior by Blacks; then there’s Beck’s strategy of depicting Soros as a Jewish leftist villain who runs the world while at the same time expressing his love for Israel.
I suggest that the situation is ultimately unstable. As the appeals to implicit White attitudes continue to get more and more graphic and more and more commonplace as a result of competition among the mainstream conservative media, the explicit disavowals of attitudes disapproved by the New York Times (and my academic colleagues) sound more and more hollow. The entire exercise becomes transparently threadbare and an obvious sham. The needle keeps getting pushed. And at some point it will be clear to everyone that the Republican Party or its successor is the party not only of implicit Whiteness, but also implicit race realism and perhaps even implicit anti-Semitism. And at that point, it’s a short step to where it all becomes explicit.
Fundamental change will come when there is an economic safety net for people who cross the line and get fired, whether because they pushed a little too far out of honesty (Derbyshire?), the desire to become rich and famous (Beck?) or simply because they behaved impulsively (probably Sanchez). We are already seeing something of a safety net. Fox Business hired Lou Dobbs (although he doesn’t seem to be talking about immigration); and Peter Brimelow wants to hire Derbyshire, so that may yet end happily. Maybe Mondoweiss will hire MJ Rosenberg. For his part, Beck’s new network, GBTV, seems to be a roaring success, having taken in $40 million this year; his wider empire is expected to take in $80 million in 2012. Don’t feel sorry for Glenn Beck.
Now if only someone with his head screwed on right could have that kind of success that Beck has had after being bounced from the mainstream conservative movement. But his success shows that the plethora of new media alternatives opens up enormous possibilities. Life doesn’t necessarily end when Fox News or National Review says you are no longer welcome. At least some of us are quite willing to do all we can to actually ignite the powder keg. When it blows, it’s going to be a very large explosion indeed.
Facing the Future as a Minority
Was the Immigration Act of 1924 Illiberal?
I knew Derbyshire from Taki Mag. I did not even know he was writing for the National Review. I don’t read their dull stuff. I am very much appealed by Derbyshire’s idea of the Arctic Alliance, by the way.
I suggest that the situation is ultimately unstable. As the appeals to implicit White attitudes continue to get more and more graphic and more and more commonplace as a result of competition among the mainstream conservative media, the explicit disavowals of attitudes disapproved by the New York Times (and my academic colleagues) sound more and more hollow. The entire exercise becomes transparently threadbare and an obvious sham. ”
Rather Hegelian. Or for that matter, Marxist. Immiseration, expropriate the expropriators, etc. But then, don’t you take it back with this next sentence:
“Fundamental change will come when there is an economic safety net for people who cross the line and get fired…”
As Gerald Celente says, When people lose everything, they have nothing left to lose, and then they lose it.
I wonder if ever there will be a critical mass of white racial realism? By “critical mass”, I mean a political force that cannot be contained by the veiled threat of losing one’s livelihood for daring to speak the racially unorthodox. The single biggest achievement of such a critical mass would be to pass laws preventing employers from firing someone for what they believe or say outside the workplace (somehow theism is protected by the Civil Rights Act, but not ideology). White folks need to cast political correctness into a civil rights issue.
Because even now, these priests of political correctness are working diligently to unmask the anonymity of the internet by including social media and internet searches in their “investigation” of prospective employees. A new blacklist is forming. If you even so much as mildly express opinions that might “offend” a sacred class of people (non-whites and jews), you will be barred from employment.
My guess is that this blacklist will fail…because I think there are already too many white folks that believe as Derbyshire does…in race realism. Their numbers do not yet constitution a critical mass, but soon may.
The single most important goal of race realists should be protection from losing their job….a civil rights issue.
Meanwhile in Europe…
http://www.eju.org/news/eju-events/first-ever-european-jewish-parliament-inaugurated-brussels
Elected Members
http://www.eju.org/survey/results
in fact, derbyshire is a race traitor. he imported a chinese woman from china to marry and have children, fyi..
even the kosher amren is not very keen on him.
I once posted an angry response to this article of Derb’s on takimag:
http://takimag.com/article/the_right_not_to_commit_suicide/print#axzz1rg7QI55g
I don’t remember what my actual message was, but it was pretty epic. I railed against him spending time with these rich Jewish “conservatives” while the civilization his ancestors built decays, and about how he doesn’t understand that those same Jews who espouse racial realism in private will never support the ethic interests of his own people in public. I called him a typically clueless Anglo and wished him the best while he dines with the very people who are destroying his culture.
Unsurprisingly, my comment was deleted pretty quickly. Maybe now that the tribe has managed to get him fired from NR he’ll come around and realize that Prof. MacDonald is right about Jewish control of the media. He probably won’t though. He’ll chalk it up to “White leftists” or something like that.
Safety net will come when we return to gold standard and abolish federal reserve.
Thats where the power of the Jew is.
Support Ron Paul!
“The reason for the increasing shrillness is the fundamental change in the media environment which is no longer restricted to a few easily controlled outlets.”
One consequence, it seems to me, is that the media does more out-and-out lying — not simply omitting facts as is their more common practice. The Trayvon Martin Hoax is a case in point — also, referring to Tulsa shooter Jake England as a White, not an American Indian. Media-supported wars also appear to be pushed more strongly (for example, the Iraq War), seemly in an effort to overcome opposition organized via the Internet.
About M. J. Rosenberg, he should not feel like the Lone Ranger. I eventually got kicked off of Media Matters, where I had posted comments.
“I suggest that the situation is ultimately unstable. As the appeals to implicit White attitudes continue to get more and more graphic and more and more commonplace as a result of competition among the mainstream conservative media, the explicit disavowals of attitudes disapproved by the New York Times (and my academic colleagues) sound more and more hollow. The entire exercise becomes transparently threadbare and an obvious sham. The needle keeps getting pushed. And at some point it will be clear to everyone that the Republican Party or its successor is the party not only of implicit Whiteness, but also implicit race realism and perhaps even implicit anti-Semitism. And at that point, it’s a short step to where it all becomes explicit.”
One of Dr. MacDonald’s best articles ever, in part because of the positive tone the above statement seems to convey. Encouragement is much needed among those who feel they’re struggling against the wind.
@fender:
Interesting article. Excerpt:
Kevin MacDonald
When are you going to take on the Asians in our America? The fact that you haven’t already is powerfull evidence that you are oblivious to the suffering of the thousands of Native Born White American Christian Families that have been harmed by legal Asian immigration..”American” born geneline included. There is a very big market that you are not tapping into.
Asians are not White, so TOO is opposed to Asian immigration. We have several times commented that Whites tend to be squeezed between affirmative action for Blacks and Mexicans and high-achieving Asians. For example,
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/12/model-minorities-gettin-slizzered/
Matt Parrott has this on Asian non-assimilation.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/12/model-minorities-gettin-slizzered/
We have posted a lot on the tendency for non-Whites of all types to coalesce in the Democratic Party—the racialization of American politics. Definitely a threat to Whites.
It seems that kissing Jew ass for years and denigrating other Whites/Christians (especially Germans and Irish) was not enough for Derb to save his. I will not cry for him.
It’s VERY disturbing that they have fired Dobbs, Beck, Buchanan, Napolitano, etc., and you would think that this clear evidence of Jewish power (and unfairness) would stir up a bit of anger in the white population. I think that folks are still not quite able to put two and two together. But like KM said, watch out when they do come to terms with it.
So much of what could nix this stuff in the bud, would depend on clueless whites. I’m sure thousands of clueless whites subscribe to NR.
From Prof. MacDonald’s original post:
“I’d love to post Derbyshire’s race-realist stuff at TOO, but he’s not likely to want to publish here because we deal with Jewish issues.”
This is a big problem with the pro-White intellectual movement, it’s divided between the ones who, in complete futility, want to be race realists and still be accepted by polite society (Derb, Tayor, Buchanan, etc.), and the fearless ones who follow the facts wherever they lead and don’t care who they end up offending (KMac and…who else?).
To illustrate, this is the worldview you get from listening to Jared Taylor: “White civilization, culture, and identity are under attack.” That’s all well and good…but who’s attacking it and why? What are the reasons?
This is what you get from Kmac: White civilization, culture and identity are under attack by a certain group of people who are highly motivated and connected, and have a knack for luring Whites into movements that harm them.
People like Derb and Taylor are like generals who brief you on the mission but don’t tell you who you’re fighting. Whites are not going to wake up until they realize that the people who rule over them are not their fellow Whites, but aliens who are specifically out to harm their interests.
There needs to be unity among all White racial realists. Derb should have no problem contributing to TOO. Every pro-White intellectual needs to be brave enough to openly say that Jews are collectively harmful to us, while at the same time stressing that we are not anti-anyone else, we are simply for ourselves. It’s the Jews who are against us because they’re in OUR lands and OUR nations screwing things up. We are not in Israel destroying their country,
@Facio Libre:
This is realy depressing. Zum Ausrasten!
As James O’Meara points out we need an economic safety net for people that have the balls to cross the line. Without wealthy financiers, Hollywood celebs or the by now whiteanted corporations that means many small regular donations are the only way. We must donate 1% each and missionise the ideal of donation. Eventually we need to support publications, charities, legal challenges and defences, alternative entertainment, our own actors. We can’t just rely on someone sneaking through to tenurship.
Fascinating developments. The more victims of pee-cee denunciations running around free and alive the less the Denunciations matter.
Msm is increasingly like Pravda or Izvestia in the old days. Relevant, but transparently hypocritical.
Truth is worth getting fired over sometimes. We need to show less womanish fear of being “fired” etc. Don’t be rash- pick your battles- but at least pick some battle worth fighting.
Well, this is pretty much the opposite of the truth. Is this a joke? Beck is an extreme philo-Semite. The idea that his attacks on Soros are some sort of clever way of attacking jews in general does not square with his indisputable philo-Semitism displayed at all other times, even to the extent of repeatedly promoting literal jew-worshipper John Hagee. Lots of jews do not like Soros, because he is not considered pro-Israel enough for their tastes, and I think that explains Beck’s criticisms of Soros better than the notion that Beck is secretly “on our side”. Even Michael Savage has referred to Soros as “the International Jew”. Is Savage trying to attack jews as well?
There’s lots of other things to not like about Glenn Beck, including his very bizarre views of history and a level of negrophilia that greatly surpasses anything coming from the left, but let’s just leave it at that.
Actually, Jared Taylor has been very emphatic in his response to this question: “we’re doing it to ourselves.”
Ol’ Derbster finally learns that there is no such thing as vegetarian version of judeo-centrism, eh ?
For years he’d go on pretending to not notice that proverbial (Judaic) elephant in the room, while his kosher superiors feigned nonchalance vis-à-vis John’s ‘quaint’ views on subjects long decreed to be beyond the boundaries of public discourse by the B’nai B’rith and their auxiliaries in the piss-stream media.
Sidebar: what the hell is species referred to as ‘jewish conservative’ anyway ?
Could someone name 5 traditional items these diaspora-based Judaic activists strive to protect and/or conserve in the lands where their grandpa Sol (probably fleeing the Cossacks) came ashore ?
I don’t see how this is supposed to work. The Republican party is dominated by jews who use implicit Whiteness to keep the goyim in line, but never deliver the goods. Are you saying that at some point they will have to deliver the goods? I don’t see why this would be so, since they can just keep using the threat of viscerally repulsive Democratic candidates like Obama to scare people back toward the Republican party.
“At least they’re better than the Democrats”… might make a fitting epitaph for the White race.
This article to my lights has a glaring shortcoming, a very common one. George Soros is mentioned without a title he worked hard to achieve. He is a convicted felon. The final appeal to the EU failed. He earned money by corrupting those with inside information of government actions. He is not Soros. He is convicted felon Soros.
This should be repeated over and over until the public associates Soros and the likes of Media Matters with thievery. Repetition works. When have you ever heard David Duke without hearing KKK?
We have got to learn to slime our enemies with the truth. Never mention that name without the title. Everyone hates market riggers so if challenged explain how tainted his money is.
You win three ways. You discredit Soros. You make his projects illegitimate. You associate Media Matters with criminality. That is how effective propaganda works. Hit them with the truth every time.
An important point that I made in “A Closer Look at What Happened to Pat Buchanan” is that it was very clear in Glenn Beck’s case that leftist pressure did not cause Beck to lose his show on Fox News. Beck survived that for quite a long time. It only forced him to find new advertisers.
It was only when the Neocon Jews, who have some influence at Fox, came out against Beck, that he lost his show.
I don’t know why people keep wanting to repeat the leftists’ own boast that they got Beck fired when it’s clearly not the case. It allows the real wire-pullers to escape notice.
Blaming leftist groups backed by George Soros for Glenn Beck’s downfall from Fox is like blaming the ten-year siege for the fall of Troy. The siege did nothing. It was bringing the wooden horse full of Neocon Jews inside the city walls that did it.
The situation is indeed unstable. It’s just a matter of time before push back. Every time the MSM and Feds lynch someone like Zimmerman, it just pisses more people off and turns them against Blacks as well.
I think the turning point will be a Great Depression II(think Argentina’s currency default), that will kill the welfare state that keeps this grotesque charade of racial harmony going – often at the point of a policeman’s gun, more oppressive laws and the threat of lawsuits from the DoJ for local politicos who try to deal with minority crime. Just as Joe Arpio or the legislatures of various states trying to fight off illegal immigration.
A lot of innocent people will be hurt by this. But there is no other way. Trying to stand up when the government has the globe spanning surveillance apparatus that would make Stalin and Mao blush in envy and local police forces with more firepower than a WWII infantry company is suicide.
The beast has to be starved of money and it’s storm troopers(DHS) have to be given pink slips before we have a chance.
Actually, getting upset about anti-White, negrophilic, jew-worshipping Glenn Beck’s “downfall” in the first place is the problem. As the firing of John Derbyshire (one of the most vocal opponents of White nationalism on the planet) from NR shows, the fact that someone got canned for racial remarks hardly means that he is “on our side”. Plus, as pointed out in the original post, Beck is on track to take in over $80 million this year – some “downfall”.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Derbyshire’s “downfall” similarly leads to an even more lucrative gig promoting the interests of jews and opposing those of Whites within a year or two.
@Random: Who here is upset about Glenn Beck’s downfall? I used his case to demonstrate that bucking ZIonism is more dangerous than bucking the Left.
This would be like saying that individuals of African descent have some influence over the outcome of the games played under the banner of the National Basketball Association.
Strange case to use, since he hasn’t “bucked Zionism” and hasn’t experienced a downfall.
@Random:Beck used to have a show on Fox News, which he lost after Neocon Jews decided that he was disagreeable to them. I refer you to
my essay about the role of Zionism in causing some people to lose jobs in cable news.
I typed a response to this that evidently disappeared or got stuck in a spam filter, so I will try again (without any links this time)…
To repeat myself: Glenn Beck’s making more money than ever. That’s not a downfall, that’s an upfall. And he’s experiencing an upfall not because Zionist jews are against him, but because they’re promoting him.
As Wikipedia describes his “Restoring Courage” tour:
Yeah, that’s a real enemy of the jews right there. Or maybe you think he’s just doing all this for “cover”, so that he can get away with the occasional criticism of Soros? Consider the possibility that you’ve got that backwards.
I typed a response to this that evidently disappeared or got stuck in a spam filter, so I will try again (without any links this time)…
To repeat myself: Glenn Beck’s making more money than ever. That’s not a downfall, that’s an upfall. And he’s experiencing an upfall not because Zionist jews are against him, but because they’re promoting him.
As Wikipedia describes his “Restoring Courage” tour:
Restoring Courage was a campaign announced on May 2011 by media personality Glenn Beck featuring a media event that took place in Jerusalem, on August 24, 2011 “to stand with the Jewish people”. While announcing the rally, he expressed a belief that a two-state solution would “[cut] off Jerusalem, the Old City, to the rest of the world”. Beck said security arrangements and logistics would pose a challenge: “The very gates of hell will open up against us.” Beck’s Mercury Radio Arts sponsored three rallies or observances associated with Restoring Courage, including a rally attended by hundreds of supporters on August 24 at the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount.
Yeah, that’s a real enemy of the jews right there. Or maybe you think he’s just doing all this for “cover”, so that he can get away with the occasional criticism of Soros? Consider the possibility that you’ve got that backwards.
@Random: Utterly beside the point.
I looked at your essay. Look: jews run the media. Anyone on TV is there to serve their interests. The idea that Buchanan was putting one over on the jews for 20 years before finally getting canned is a joke.
Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck, and John Derbyshire all have been and will continue to be very good for the jews. In the case of Beck, he is clearly doing better than ever after his supposed “downfall”. With Derbyshire, it remains to be seen. With Buchanan, who knows, but one possibility is that he’s just getting old and wanted to retire and go out being considered a hero instead of a whore.
@Hadding Scott:
What’s beside the point? You alleged that 1) Glenn Beck experienced a “downfall” and 2) that Glenn Beck is opposed by neocon jews, and both of these statements are completely (and obviously) contrary to reality.
@Random: That’s an oversimplification.
@Random:
I think you should put the mantras out of your head for a few minutes and read what I said. The fact that Neocon Jews came out against Glenn Beck in early 2010 and that he lost his Fox News show shortly thereafter is indisputable.
Yeah, he “lost” his Fox News show and then subsequently GAINED a new show, and is making twice as much money as he was before. Poor Glenn! That’s like saying that someone lost his job as a janitor, and was “only” promoted to the position of CEO as a meager form of compensation.
@Random: You should also read MacDonald’s article again. He too is saying that it’s not that simple. He’s saying that the mass-media have to cater to some degree to the attitudes of the White public, especially now that there are so many media-outlets. Although there is still no genuinely pro-White mass-media there are things aired now that 30 years ago would not have been aired. It’s not like the old days when there were only three major commercial networks and PBS.
@Random: So your argument is that when the Neocon Jews denounced Beck in early 2010 they were really trying to help him?
@Random: And are you also saying that anybody that has any success in the USA owes it to the Jews?
I read what MacDonald wrote and I disagreed with that too. See my comments above. I don’t dispute that the mass media increasingly has to cater to the attitudes of the White public due to competition from the internet. But that is very different from assuming, as both you and MacDonald do, that Beck is genuinely trying to promote judeo-critical attitudes, which is clearly absurd, as his recent “Restoring Courage” rally among much else demonstrates. Essentially I argue that he’s doing the exact opposite of what you think: I say he’s using the occasional ethnocentric gesture as cover for an extremely pro-jew and ethnomasochistic agenda.
Quite possibly, since it bolsters his credibility to be seen as a rebel who is “too hot for TV”. Certainly, he has been helped, as he is making more money than ever. I would argue that a lucrative contract and an $80 million a year take would not be possible if he were facing the kind of opposition from Zionist jews that you claim he’s facing.
No, I’m saying that anyone who has any success ON TELEVISION in the USA owes it to the jews, because the jews effectively control all the television stations.
I don’t know how much Glenn Beck you’ve actually watched. A couple years ago I had a roommate who was a big Beck fan, so I was subjected to a lot of his show. If you’ve just selectively watched YouTube clips where he’s dissing Soros or talking about the Federal Reserve, then you’ve gotten a very distorted view of what his show is like. Look for some clips where he’s praising Israel or going on and on about the “Black Founding Fathers” – that’s far closer to the average for Beck, so it doesn’t make sense to argue that he’s doing the latter as cover for the former.
@Random: Well that’s quite a complex conspiracy theory.
I just keep it simple by asking simple questions like, what seems to have been the cause of Beck’s dismissal from Fox News? By the timing it seems to have been caused by complaints from Neocon Jews.
You don’t deny that but you suggest that this was really a sneaky plan to help Beck. I can’t argue with that kind of conspiracy-theory. You’re too clever for me.
@Hadding Scott: I must be part of the conspiracy too, because NOBODY POINTED OUT THAT CONNECTION BEFORE ME.
@Random: I don’t know with whom you think you are arguing here. I am very ambivalent about Beck, but it doesn’t change the fact that he has said things that bothered Jews a lot.
Of course, you provide no reason to believe that my “conspiracy theory” is untenable. Whereas your view that Glenn Beck is genuinely anti-jew is clearly untenable, as is your view that he’s making more money than ever despite the efforts of Zionist jews to destroy his career.
You should read about Edward Bernays, and the history of public relations, to see the kind of tricks jews were using to manipulate public opinion as far back as the 1930′s – lots more complex than pretending to attack someone in order to boost his credibility, and they’re doubtless far more sophisticated today.
I also find it funny that someone who disputes the official account of the Holocaust (as I do as well) is so willing to take mass media reporting at face value, and throw around the term “conspiracy theory” like it has any meaning.
@Random:
which I never said.
@Hadding Scott:
You’ve said he was “disagreeable” to Zionism, that he was “bucking Zionism”, etc. – all flatly ridiculous.
@Hadding Scott:
In your previous article you wrote this:
You’re clearly implying that Beck’s trying to attack jews in some veiled way, and that’s absurd given the evidence.
@Random: David Frum and William Kristol and some other Zionists had some very negative things to say about Beck in early 2010. Yes, they seemed to find him DISAGREEABLE. But according to you they only said this as a clever ploy to establish Beck’s credibility with racialist Whites.
@Random:
I made no speculation about what Beck’s understanding of his own motives was.
As for what he does, I think I described it accurately.
I use to listen to Beck on the radio on my way in to work. I found him pretty ignorant and dishes out a whole lot of lies and disinformation, likened to a huckster used car salesman. But who better than Beck would know if his NeoCon buds had him “removed” from the air? if he thought it was the Jews, well he’s still pro-Jews. Actually the man has an agenda and caters to the tea partiers.
I read he is a Mormon awhile back, during the time Mittens Romney came on the scene. Beck’s being a Mormon may not be relevant to anything, but I had read of some surmises of a Mormon right-wing takeover of the country at the time. This sort of alarmed me because the Mormon religion is basically a Freemasonic religion. A lot of the elements that make up the Mormon church. And Freemasons are known for their psychological warfare. That’s what alarmed me at the time, this idea, if there was anything to it, of a Mormon takeover. the ascendancy of the Mormon Church to the pinnacle of US power, where two of its top elders would become the President and Vice-Presidency [a combined Romney-Huntsman 2012 Presidential ticket].
Aside from all this, if I’m not mistaken, Mormons identify with the missing 10 tribes of Israel, in another one of those Christian Identity or British Israel (‘BritAm’) kind of way, basically the lost tribes of the Jews. Which only bolsters the Jews, of course. The only thing I can’t answer is whether there is anything to this idea, because especially the BritAm website, the Jew who runs it does seem to make a case for it. But then it all leads to the Jews as being the ‘chosen’, or the master race after all.
Doctor MacDonald, you’re a national treasure indeed. Thanks for this brilliant synthesis of recent trends and events, peppered as always, with useful links to other relevant questions and articles. You help me not only make sense of the things of which I’m aware, but you broaden my awareness too.
PS: please note that advertisement, advertise, etc. are spelled with an “s” not with a “z”. I only mention it because I’ve seen it before in your writing.
Well they certainly didn’t hurt his credibility or his income, did they? So the only question is whether or not they could have figured that out in advance, and I argue that that’s far from implausible. Same thing with this whole Derbyshire fiasco, which has clearly helped his credibility.
Well they certainly didn’t hurt his credibility or his income, did they? So the only question is whether or not they could have figured that out in advance, and I argue that that’s far from implausible. Same thing with this whole Derbyshire fiasco, where the criticisms have *clearly* helped his credibility.
Television personalities on Rupert Turdoch’s payroll can’t be anti-Judaic anything by definition. It is not simply out of blue that I refer to his continent spanning propaganda operations as Hasbara TV.
Beck is an empty-skulled ballwasher for Team Yitzhak; always has been.
Had he quit lifting material from Alex Jones, his show would’ve been reduced to 100% unadulterated zio-con drivel 100% of the time.
These media types don’t seem to be able to get through their thick domes that no matter how many times you devoutly bang your head against the Wailing Wall to please your Judaic higher-ups, eventually they’d still stab you in the back.
@candida:
“Derbyshire is a race traitor, he imported a chinese woman to marry and have kids with”
How does trading UP make you a race traitor?
@Avi Marranazo:
This use of a “z” instead of an “s” in words like advertize and advertizement is usual in American English. It goes back to Noah Webster’s An American Dictionary of the English Language 1828, in which these forms were used and became the norm. There are also other differences between American English and English of the rest of the world, such as words like defense/defence, color/colour, program/programme etc.
Article says:
And at some point it will be clear to everyone that the Republican Party or its successor is the party not only of implicit Whiteness, but also implicit race realism and perhaps even implicit anti-Semitism. And at that point, it’s a short step to where it all becomes explicit.
God I hope so. I am so tired of waiting.
Fundamental change will come when there is an economic safety net for people who cross the line and get fired, whether because they pushed a little too far out of honesty
Brilliant point. The power our enemies have right now is the power to destroy careers (they aren’t quite to the Stalin stage of liquidation yet). This is a lot of power. And it’s not just that that they deprive income, they can effectively destroy a victim’s ability to have a voice. The victim becomes virtually invisible because they have no access to big media.
If Beck can make that much money on some internet pay service, that is good news. Not because Beck is any good, but because it shows the model will work. We just need to push enough people to embrace a race-realist approach and be willing to pay for it. I don’t know how it will happen, because it’s so damn hard to get White people to think in terms of race.
But maybe as the Left goes on crazier witch hunts to stamp out “racism”, destroying innocent people along the way, a critical mass of White people will finally say, “enough!”
@Jason Speaks:
I suspect that being a Mormon has a lot to do with that. They seem to be a very cohesive group.
Glenn Beck was actually raised Catholic. He converted to Mormonism, I believe, with an eye toward the advantages that it would give him.
Actua.ly they list a lot of counties and people which are NOT European (Turkey,Armeni, Kazakistan…). As usual, they boost “Europe, Europe”, to give themselves a tone, to honour themselves, but then they seem not too know where and what is Europe !! What a “chutzpah” !!!
MY previuos comment was a reply to Fender . Sorry for the mispelings
@fender:
One thing about Derbyshire. He did tell us explicitly why he didn’t want to tell us who we were fighting.
Signal irony that Derb, after ducking “the Jew thing” and making a good living for so long doing so, get’s tossed out for what seems to be a trivial little mental substitution “the Black thing”.
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They came for the “anti-semites” and I said nothing cause I was not an anti-semites. …….Then they came for me, and no one could help me, cause there was no one left.
@Random: I applaud Brother Random for bringing up the name of Edward Bernays.
This jew, who I believe I’ve read was the nephew of Sigmond Freud – is a very important member of the enemy camp, and I encourage all of the regular TOO readers to spend some time researching this character and what role he played in the corruption and subversion of White Western civilization.
Incidentally, Bernays was the guy who was hired by Big Tobacco to come up with an advertising campaign that was directed at women and which was to encourage smoking as being ‘trendy’ and ‘fashionable’ and ‘exotic’. Prior to this, very few women smoked – and it was a habit that only stupid men engaged in.
Well, it was very ‘successful’ – and it worked on my own Mother, who died as a result of complications from lung cancer – after she spent 40 years of her life, smoking nasty cigarettes. So, Edward Bernays helped kill not only my Mother, but the Mothers of millions of other White sons and daughters.
Some of you seem to lack the ability to think clearly, without using all or nothing strategies. Beck was great, and I totally get the guy. I knew he was dead when he aired the Federal Reserve segment.
I hate Wall St., and I hate bailing out the dirtbags who ruined the world’s economy. On the other hand, I believe that Israel has the right to exist. There is no contradiction in my positions. Some of you are fanatics and you want to attack all of the Jews. Good luck with that.
A more reasonable approach is to force them to adjust their hideous behavior when it most adversely harms white Christians. Immigration comes to mind. Wars for Israel are bad too, but push come to shove we SHOULD back Israel. I’m not saying that we should back Israel 100% of the time, nor should we back them when they are wrong. I’m saying that if they are REALLY in trouble we should help.
IMHO, by far the biggest problem is the damage done by the moneymen and their speculation and manipulation. One would think that the Jews would be better at policing their own, but that seems to be off the table. So, they go too far, raise the ire of the gentiles, and wind up in big trouble. This is the cycle.
@Miles Gibson:
You might think that people would understand that somebody in mainstream media that spends 5% of his airtime saying extraordinary things that nobody else says really is making a difference, even if 95% of the time he spouts the same cant as everybody else.
Some people just seem to be disinclined to see the positive aspect of anything. If there is a negative aspect or a possible negative interpretation, that’s all that they see.
We finally got the formula. MSM feeds implicit Whiteness through black crime stories, and then squelches explicit Whiteness through articulate black experts who straighten their hair and by firings when explicit Whiteness rears its ugly head, which leads to instability because growing implicitness can’t help from becoming explicit.
Thanks to KMac for that.
What we must anticipate is a flash point. A reprise of Detroit 1967 would do it, because White Humanity won’t accept another Kerner Commission. We did what Kerner told us to do- advance blacks to avoid further chaos and mayhem. If we see more riots, Whites may see a leader arise who will say, “After all we’ve done, nothing changed. We need to reexamine our assumptions about race relations and begin to hold blacks accountable to the sacrifices that Whites have made for them.”
We need that to become the conventional wisdom, and re inverted inversion morality, a focus on black failure and not White racism. White overcame their racism by investing in black advancement, blacks failed at seizing the opportunity, so Whites are absolved.
KMac, you are brilliant enough to figure a strategy to mainstream that new dogma. Please write the plan.
This might be a good time to reflect on an earlier intersection between Kevin MacDonald and Derbyshire. Back on March 8, 2008, I wrote, in only my 5th TOO article something called “Derbyshire on MacDonald.”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2008/03/derbyshire-on-macdonald/
Readers might enjoy visiting that one, for Derbyshire clearly showed that he understood the rules of the (American) game for NOT talking about Jewish influence.
While he did give a worthwhile review of “The Culture of Critique,” he concluded: “This is, after all, in the dictionary definition of the term, an anti-Semitic book.” I would suggest, then, that the dictionary definition of the term needs to be changed.
Here follows a pertinent part of the article:
To be fair, Derbyshire is the proverbial writer caught between a rock and a hard place. While he aims to write honestly — wherever the chips may fall, as he implies — he’s also exquisitely aware of the risks a non-Jew takes when writing in a forthright manner about things Jewish. Worse, as a self-described minor name in American journalism, he fears that any criticism of Jews may well spell career destruction.
Derbyshire made an excellent case for this risk in a remarkable exchange with Joey Kurtzman, a Jewish editor of the website Jewcy.com, asserting:
So far as the consequences of ticking off Jews are concerned: First, I was making particular reference to respectable rightwing journalism, most especially in the U.S. I can absolutely assure you that anyone who made general, mildly negative, remarks about Jews would NOT — not ever again — be published in the Wall Street Journal opinion pages, The Weekly Standard, National Review, The New York Sun, The New York Post, or The Washington Times. I know the actual people, the editors, involved here, and I can assert this confidently.
End of quote. What can I say? Maybe this: “First, they came for those who wrote honestly about Jews. Next, they came for those who wrote honestly about blacks (and homosexuals, etc. etc.)
Clearly, retreat is not a solution in this game.
Well, it’s exactly this kind of thinking that Glenn Beck is paid so well to promote. “Not all jews are bad… most jews are good… it’s just a few bad jews like Soros… we should support jews and Israel and just focus on the few bad jews.” Of course, no good can possibly come from such an approach, as the jewish ethnic mafia functions as a collective whole and must be treated as such.
I remember once reading a piece by particular left-wing Israeli journalist who had chuckled how ‘Jews sometimes just wouldn’t take Yes for an answer.’
Without finding anything so much as vaguely cute in his (however accurate) observation, I wondered instead about how far off the tracks these ‘compelling story weavers’ had really gotten.
Bit by bit we’ve got ourselves in a situation where less than 2% of the population find themselves in a position to hold a virtually iron veto on who does NOT get to harbor political ambitions, or be published, or printed, or make television appearances, or have his phone calls returned by a talent agent, or find his scholarship recognized.
Could there be a more transparent throwback to the Bolshevik Russia (minus the Gulag for now) of 1918-1938 where Jews had come practically unhinged ?
We are in a very bad position, certainly. We have to fight, we can’t just give up. But we have to fight smart, choose the battles wisely. KM says that immigration is probably the worst threat, so we should focus on that first.
@pessimist: Before the pink slips are handed out…
http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/
@Miles Gibson
But we have to fight smart, choose the battles wisely.
hostile elites = technocrats
technocracy = communitarianism
communitarianism = White Genocide
To undermine communitarianism is to undermine Hostile Elite’s policies of White genocide. To fight communitarianism is to fight White Genocide. It’s the same fight.
2020: Our Common Destiny and The Anti Communitarian Manifesto
http://nord.twu.net/acl/books.html
@Miles Gibson
The biggest threat to communitarians came from Ron Paul. That is why he was vilified as a racist and an antisemite. He is the only one running for the Presidency who openly challenges their “right” to social engineer society.. Do you recall this ad?? In it, he pledges to cut Dept. Of Education, Interior, Energy, HUD, Commerce in his first year in office if elected..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCZVmQ74OA
If you think abut it, all these departments are tools to implement Multiculti in America.. For example, if there is no Department of Education, there is no brainwashing of White children into guilt-tripping about their so called “White” privilege status.. I’m still amazed that so few people get these simple facts..
@Miles Gibson
All the political positions that Ron Paul is proposing are well grounded in the U.S. Constitution. On the other hand, all the political policies that are espoused by the MultiCulti technocrats are pretty much illegal.
Officially, the U.S. Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. So how is it that the MultiCulti technocrats run the show??
We need to use the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of rights as our weapons against White genocide. It’s that simple.
Communitarianism is the only way of thinking that makes any sense if racial survival is supposed to be a value.
A really outstanding piece of thinking behind this article…thanks v. much KM.
This piece brings together a number of…sometimes confusing for apparent contradictions….observable strands. Hadding recently pointed to the same phenomenon of apparently acceptable pro-white talk in the media. KM’s syntheis now leaves us with a no longer confused understanding of the distinctions in play.
Once again we’re glimpsing how an explicit assertion of White equal rights to both celebrate and nurture within its ranks a sense of peoplehood is going to be both the absolute minimum, and….quite possibly…also the maximum unifying value for the WN movement. Maximum, because we have to expect more and more diverse views and people as the movement grows. It’s really important that we minimize the barriers to entry that those people may feel, while also making it impossible for the movement to be watered down into something that is effectively pointless.
@Hadding Scott:
Yes, Mormon are a cohesive group. And they used to be all White. Sadly, they are working hard to reach out to other races and they will lose the quality of being White and cohesive, if this continues. I would suggest this is the problem when religion is put first. Or any ideology for that matter. There was so much potential among various religious groups to put up a fight against the anti-White onslaught, but they were all compromised by elevating the Faith so far above all other considerations – in my humble opinion.
@Miles Gibson:
“KM says that immigration is probably the worst threat”
No!….A far, far greater threat are the WHITE people who advocate multi-culti.
A greater threat than the White people who push muli-culti is not the people themselves, but their FALSE BELIEF in the God of EQUALITY.
Immigration didn’t destroy marriage…Gender equality did.
You may be drowning in the flood of immigration, but who and what controls the water level? if you believe in equal rights for men and women…you do!
If equality were a fact, and REAL, then it shouldn’t/wouldn’t matter who, or how many people move in with you. The fact is equality is NOT real. it is a MYTH, and does NOT EXIST! NOBODY IS AS GOOD AS ANYONE ELSE!
Until one sits down and examines the concept of equality, he/she can never hope to understand himself/herself or the world at large and will repeating the same behaviour that has proven to be fruitless countless times before.
PEOPLE ACT THE WAY THEY ACT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
THE MORE BIZARRE AND UN-NATURAL THEIR BELIEFS, THE MORE INSANE THEIR ACTIONS BECOME.
Let us take a look at something I found today on AmRen’s website:
http://amren.com/news/2012/04/the-derbyshireweissberg-affair/
The Derbyshire/Weissberg Affair
Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, April 12, 2012
Just three days after firing John Derbyshire as a National Review contributor, the magazine’s editor Rich Lowry announced that Robert Weissberg was persona non grata, too. His crime? He “participated in an American Renaissance conference where he delivered a noxious talk about the future of white nationalism.” Prof. Weissberg said that any movement based on white racial identity is “dead on arrival,” but it seems that merely speaking at an AR conference is “noxious.”
Here is a flashback: When Ilana Mercer (jewess) appeared on the Political Cesspool some months ago, she was also advising the Cesspool gang that it was a totally unrealistic move to try to appeal to Whites on the basis of White racial consciousness or upon the idea of White racial survival. Here, we see Weissberg (one of Jared’s court jews) being given a prominent speaking position and a platform at the last AmRen Conference, and he too, is preaching the same kind of ‘advice’ that was being peddled by Ilana Mercer.
Why, it looks to me as if the subversive agenda being pushed by these ‘jewish allies’ – who claim to be on our side and who’ve been invited to enter our movement by men like Jared Taylor – is to try to persuade Whites that they should continue to hang on to the same zero sense of white racial consciousness and to the deracinated, raceless, emasculated and impotent condition that these very same jews have spent the last 50-60 years working so hard to instill inside whites, using their control of the mainstream media as their primary method of eradicating the racial pride that Whites once had, before being subjected all these jewish propaganda efforts to pathologize White racial pride and White racial consciousness. Oh, and during which time, they took no crap from non-whites and they were still the undisputed and unchallenged rulers in their own native homelands.
Does anyone besides me see a pattern here? Does anyone besides me have the ability to recognize and correctly identify what appears to be a concerted effort upon the part of the jewish moles who are inside our movement to continue to push and promote the very same flavor of white racial demoralization theme from inside the movement that their fellow jews are pushing from outside the movement?
I think this is exactly what is going on. And, it clearly shows that falling for the deception that pro-White organizations, movements, or even pro-White websites can recruit jews who appear to be superficially ‘on our side’ and then giving these individuals prominent positions, whereby they are allowed to promote their ideologies before concerned audiences of White European people – will always result in these individuals continuing to push ideas that are not in the best ethnic interests of White European people – but, which instead, will continue to be in the best ethnic interests of their own tribe.
Keeping Whites deracinated and ‘raceless’ benefits only the highly ethno-centric jewish tribe – and this admission by Jared Taylor, about the contents of Weissberg’s speech at the American Renaissance Conference – serves to confirm the position that these people are not of our tribe and have no business being inside our movement.
They cannot be trusted. Period. How much more proof of this does one need?
Remember what the poster Will Fredericks said recently, with regards to the Derbyshire firing and Taylor’s editorial that discussed it:
“………….People like Derb and Taylor are like generals who brief you on the mission but don’t tell you who you’re fighting. Whites are not going to wake up until they realize that the people who rule over them are not their fellow Whites, but aliens who are specifically out to harm their interests. ”
Tanstaafl told Carolyn Yeager on her VOR radio show recently that: “jews are not members of our team, so what right do they have to think they can be on our team?” I concur with that statement 100 percent.
They want to be on our team because they want to influence our team and to misdirect it in ways that are harmful to our interests and which continue to benefit their interests.
Our team needs to reach an understanding that this is how this enemy operates, and not allow ourselves to be duped by this tactic. Oh, and if there are perhaps 2 jews out of every million or so who truly are on our side – then let them form their own organizations and movements and work in parallel, alongside ours – to help us fight to preserve White Western Civilization and the White European people. But, we cannot merge with them – because any such alliance would result in a flood of moles who would promptly subvert our movement.
@Luke: I don’t think it’s any big conspiracy. Weissberg and Mercer talk the way they do out of Jewish motives that ought to be more or less self-evident.
I do think that it should be possible to find a White person to talk about why Blacks et al. perform badly in school and another White person to talk about the disaster of Black rule in South Africa. Why do we need Jews to tell us these things?
I think it’s understandable that Taylor wanted to have Weissberg be one of several speakers at AmRen or to use some articles of his, since Weissberg is a professor and published some things of interest, but there is an obvious downside to it when Weissberg starts using the AmRen soapbox to pursue a specifically Jewish agenda of opposing the expression of White interests. When Weissberg starts to express his Jewishness like that, he drags Taylor precisely into the Jewish Question that he would rather avoid.
@Hadding Scott
Communitarianism is the only way of thinking that makes any sense if racial survival is supposed to be a value.
You are completely wrong. I’m guessing it is because you don’t know what exactly Communitarianism really is..
http://www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/207956
@Hadding Scott
Birds of feather flock together because it’s their nature, not because technocrats instruct them to do so..
You are naive if you think that White Nationalists are going to be running these Communitarian Human Farms.. Communitarian societies will be governed by Jews, anti-white Whites, and rainbow coalition people.. exactly as they are doing it now..
@Hadding Scott
Communitarianism is the reason why there is mass immigration of third world people into White countries..
European Union, previously known as European Community, is the end result of World War II. Because of Hitler and the Nazis, it was decided to do away with White people.. European Union is the ultimate Communitarian project, and it’s purpose is to blend out the white race.. that’s why you have massive non-white immigration to white countries in Europe.. including USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand..
Yes there is strength in numbers.. Yes we must close ranks to put up a fight.. Yes we can accomplish more if we work together… But there is also such as thing as we the individuals (as someone here already pointed out)..
Don’t worry.. Whites don’t need to told by “benevolent” technocrats that they would be more happy and prefer to live with other Whites.. That is our nature..
@Hadding Scott: Excellent point, Brother Hadding. In the end, when the rubber hits the road, it will always boil down to the jewish question.
Do jewish ethnic interests trump ours? 99 out of a 100 legitimate White Nationalists would say absolutely NOT. And that lonely 1 percent smoked far too much dope and are suffering from having brain cell damage that prevents them from responding to this question correctly.
No mention of Judge Napolitano amongst the condemned.
@Facio Libre: Rubbish. Indiscriminate communitarianism and individualism are not the only possibilities. Nationalism is communitarianism, but it is discriminate communitarianism.
@Hadding Scott
Rubbish??
If you recall your history, you’d know that East Germany during the cold war was ethnically German and White.. Same for Poland, Czechoslovakia, and few others… So If RACE is the ONLY thing that mattes why were they putting mines and building walls to keep people in from escaping?? The countries were 100% ethnically pure.. Why were people risking their life to escape to the West???
discriminate communitarianism??
Stop sniffing glue man.. seriously!!
@Hadding Scott
Weather it is free or if it’s ruled by technocrats, every society can be subverted.. A White country that puts individual freedom at it’s center is the only one worth fighting for..
@iheretic:
I think that Whites are proving to be ingenious in finding ways to get around putting their livelihoods on the line for publicizing what Derbyshire so aptly coined “hatefacts.”
What I see is that anytime some internet article about the latest antics of “urban yoofs,” Step ONE is for hard core boards is to post it and have every race realist come on and outdo himself in making shockingly blunt statements designed to offend the most politically correct sensibilities.
Now here is the interesting part, step TWO is for some (what I used to call) hall monitor post it at boards where Disingenuous White Liberals like to hang out. They write a post or an article where they put on a big front of getting their panties in a twist over the racist stereotyping by lowbrow “White Supremacists” over say, flash mobs.
Step THREE is where they quote the lowbrow racists’ remarks against the Jews Media covering up for criminal Negros VERBATIM.
Oh yeah, Step FOUR is where they link their show of indignation to the original post about the issue being discussed at the racist board.
Step FIVE is where the White Racists show up to do battle and exchange insults with the White Anti-Racists (Disingenuous White Liberals).
Step SIX is where the BUGSTERS inundate the board with the MANTRA until the Anti-Racists run off and the subject is dropped.
Step SEVEN is where it hits the moderate-conservative forums scrubbed of any Anti-Semitic remarks. There you have Jewish Neocons and White Israel Firsters forming the Black Youth Crime Sux, Amen, Hallelujah Chorus.
I am assuming that the Left’s disastrous creation of BRA is making its effects felt by Jews who have not quite made the transition to gated communities with fueled jets to take them where they have lots of cash socked away and the Jewish posters there reflect that.
I am hoping that someone at TOO does an article on the popularity of The Hunger Games which seems like an implicit fictionalization of KMac’s take on Implict Whiteness and Implicit White Speech on Steroids.
@Hadding Scott
discriminate communitarianism is another word for open air prison for White people..
I am assuming that you’re imagining yourself to be the jail warden of this fictional place?
Any self-style spokesman for the issues of concern to the whites who spends 110% of his time dusting off the catalog of Afro pathology and Mexican ineptitude, is more likely than not to be a B’nai B’rith dependent.
The lame attempts to score kosher points by inviting ‘like minded’ Judaic colleagues are just that – lame.
In that such ‘colleagues’ are most likely infiltrators. Besides, if engaging them somehow lessens the odds of Markie Potok and his fellow thought kommissars getting on your case, then that is just more naivete.
@blue rose:
“Aside from all this, if I’m not mistaken, Mormons identify with the missing 10 tribes of Israel, in another one of those Christian Identity or British Israel (‘BritAm’) kind of way, basically the lost tribes of the Jews. Which only bolsters the Jews, of course. The only thing I can’t answer is whether there is anything to this idea, because especially the BritAm website, the Jew who runs it does seem to make a case for it. But then it all leads to the Jews as being the ‘chosen’, or the master race after all.”
I had to burst any bubbles where any White or Black claiming to be the lost Israelites are concerned, but I think two pieces of evidence point to the Ashkenazis as them. DNA and the fact that the Khazars were the only “pagans” that, when confronted with conversion to an Abrahamic religion, did not have to be compelled at swordpoint to do it. Why? Perhaps because they were secretly practicing some variation of it all along?
In any case, I am clueless as to why the British or anyone else, for that matter would want the dubious honor of being part of the ten lost tribes of Israel. (This must be what happens when one insists on driving on the wrong side of the street).
The patriarch Abraham pimped the matriarch, his wife Sarah to two different kings and had managed to extort great wealth from them to take her back when the wrath “of the Lord” was visited on their heads for believing him when he passed her off as his sister.
Jacob was a lousy brother who refused to share any food with Esau unless he traded his birthright and then turned around, lied to his own father and cheated him out of his birthright. And that’s just the tip of a very sordid iceberg where this tribe’s antics are concerned.
If these stories were hearsay and not part of a Holy Book, we wouldn’t be groveling to this seedy, shiftless, no-account bunch as God’s Chosen People, we would dismiss them as trash and that would be that.
I don’t aspire to be an Israelite. I have no interest in any form of Judaism. I don’t care to be a favorite of their crazy desert demon. I am perfectly happy as a Western Caucasian Japhethite who believes it is high time that we get our collective asses out of Shem’s tent and tend to our own business and revive our own religion.
@Facio Libre:
You libertarians all seem to read from the same book of snappy responses.
I guess all the U.S. states that had laws against miscegenation before 1966 were prisons, right?
Libertarianism is not the way the Old America functioned. Libertarianism is a barrier to solving our problems.
@Hadding Scott:
Interesting about miscegenation. I assume it would be legal under libertarian regime (how could it not be?). This is something that a White society that wished to survive would ban. If the people involved wanted to do it anyway, they should be removed from the country. This would be especially true for marriage with Africans due to it’s threat to the integrity of the race.
@Hadding Scott: Well Prohibition sure killed off alcoholism. And I’ve got to admit, no interbreeding ever occurred prior to 1966. LOL!
@Trenchant:
I guarantee that it was rarer than hen’s teeth to see a White girl with a Black baby. “LOL!”
@Jason Speaks: And how exactly would you gauge whom to deport in your legalistic approach? Skin-tone charts – caffe latte stays, dark cocoa goes? And the Jew, or even more problematic, mischling? How are the wannabe deporters going to jump that hurdle?
@Hadding Scott: Lots of shades of brown out there to burst your bubble. Or maybe it was bleaching à la Michael Jackson?
@Hadding Scott: Guaranteed you didn’t see a lot of bars advertising during Prohibition either.
@Hadding Scott: What’s you snappy answer to intermarriage with Jews, as you’re the standard-bearer here for NS?
@Trenchant: I shouldn’t have to explain that White admixture in the Negro genepool, since all such people are considered “Black,” is not a problem of anywhere near the same seriousness as White people raising mulattos born of their daughters.
You talk like somebody whose connection with reality is not very firm.
Did you know that Thomas Jefferson suggested that White women that cohabit with Blacks should be placed beyond the protection of the law? That amounts to a death-sentence for miscegenation, advocated by the libertarians’ hero. http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com/2009/05/thomas-jeffersons-lack-of-tolerance-for.html
I promise you, despite whatever your special libertarian history might say, anti-miscegenation laws were successful in protecting the White population from Negro admixture.
@Trenchant:
You said:
And how exactly would you gauge whom to deport in your legalistic approach? Skin-tone charts – caffe latte stays, dark cocoa goes? And the Jew, or even more problematic, mischling?
That position veers dangerously close to race-denial. You might want to rethink it.
@Jason Speaks: You might care to answer the question.
@Trenchant:
There are a wide range of replies to people who deny the existence of race. They are very well articulated and freely available on the internet. In fact, Kevin MacDonald has discussed it on this very site. If you don’t believe race is a valid concept at this point, I doubt I can convince you.
@Hadding Scott: I see your use of argumentum ad verecundiam is chronic; who cares what Jefferson thought about miscegenation.
And what is the NS approach to intermarriage with Jews?
@Jason Speaks: What do you think about intermarriage with Jews?
@Clytemnestra:
I am perfectly happy as a Western Caucasian Japhethite …
This issue with British Israel (and in the US it’s Christian Identity) interests me a whole lot, though it’s unnerving. There seems to me to be implications here.
When you say you are a Japhethite, how are you saying this? Do you mean this is your belief you are a descendant of the youngest of Noah’s three sons? If so, doesn’t this actually make you a Jew? Are you Celtic? The Celts have the hidden tradition of a Jewish princess named Queen Tara having arrived to Scotland and marrying someone there, a king I guess.
The Brit-Am website lists the travels of all the 10 tribes: Ephraim and Joseph are suppose to be their descendants in the USA.
I have been receiving the emails from BritAm for some years now, and in the beginning I read as much as I could of the owner’s work. The implication is that ALL the peoples of Europe (Scandanavia, Iceland, as well, and recently a hint that China as well) are descendants of the Jews. The owner makes a pretty good case for all his work, and this has been bothering me for years. We all know that Christianity itself is a Judaic-derived religion.
My dilemma is, has then the Old Testament prophecies come true, that Jews will inhabit the Earth and rule over it? The thing is that there seems to be a hidden history here of Christian who identify themselves as one of the lost tribes. This also explains why I see so many Christians who are pro-Zionist. They see the Jews as their brothers. And Brit-Ams and such can claim Christians as being Jewish. And they all seem happy about it. I mean, if it’s true that ‘Jews will number as the grains of sand all over the Earth’, someone needs to clue me in. A lot of the time I *feel* Jewish myself (and never had a problem, up until recently, getting along with them). The Old Testament prophecies came true?
I’ve heard the explanation that today’s Jews are descendents of the Khazars, a small country tucked away somewhere. This doesn’t ring true. I *think* you were saying that the ‘Ashkenazis ‘ are in fact the descendants of the lost tribes. I don’t know. Something isn’t making sense here.
Are you familiar with the work at Brit-Am? If you ever have a spare moment to look it over. It’s fairly convincing, but then I’m not an historian. I can’t gauge if the owner (who lives in Israel and is decidedly Jewish) on occasion bends historical facts or what. As it is — I have no idea what to think.
@Hadding Scott
Libertarianism is a barrier to solving our problems.
As things stand now, there are way more White people supporting Ron Paul than there are White people supporting A3P.. Do you know why?
Communitarianism offers nothing to average Joes and Janes except Whites Only Prison..
The only ones who are attracted to A3P are delusional Whites who think that they will be running these fictional White Communitarian Human Farms.. The real Communitarian Human Farms will be MultiCulti Big MAMA societies (prison countries), sort of like what we’re heading towards now.. at full speed, I might add..
Libertarianism offers freedom to flock together..
There will always be certain percent of Whites that intermarry with other races.. The reason these percentages are now so high is because of Communitarian policies of mass non-white immigration into White countries, COUPLED WITH NON-STOP PRO-MULTI-CULT AND ANTI-WHITE PROPAGANDA, that promotes miscegenation (a.k.a. social engineering by your “beloved” technocrats – Communitarianism), and yet, even still most Whites marry Whites.
Why do you think that they need to pump this propaganda at us 24/7, year after year?? It’s because if they stopped, things would go back to normal.. The vast majority of Whites would marry Whites, because that’s how nature works.. ( I’m sure there would still be a certain percentage of people who marry outside the race, but that would be completely different from what we got now)
Just imagine what would happen if you halted the immigration of non-whites, and stopped the anti-white propaganda.. I’m pretty sure that things would go back to normal in no time.. That is why Ron Paul is the man to support.. Before we get all fancy with ideas, we need to do the necessary basic things first.. STOP THE BLEEDING!!!
@Hadding Scott
You are mistakenly equating Communitarianism with the White Community, i.e. Nationalism.. That is NOT what Communitariansim is.. Please educate yourself..
Good place to start is here:
http://nord.twu.net/acl/books.html
There are also plenty of free educational resources on the internet – just Google Niki Raapana and the Anti-Communitarian League..
@Hadding Scott
If you’re not being disingenuous, and you are who you say you are, a NS, then I got some bad news or you.. You got caught up in the Hegelian Dialectic, which is the vehicle that will move you towards the final synthesis that is Communitarianism..
Communitarianism is the final synthesis of all ideologies, religions, creeds, and races.. everybody living side, by side in the global community of men and women.. it is the sharing of living space by all peoples – White, black, yellow, every religion, sexual orientation, income level, nationality, i.e. GLOBAL COMMUNITY – Communitarianism.. – the third way.. Communitarians assume that this will end all human conflict on earth and create conditions for a sustainable development and peace on earth.
Communitarianism does not call for a Whites only country.. No, no, no.. That’s not what this is all about.
@Hadding Scott
Let me paint you a picture of what exactly is Communitarianism..
Imagine a giant blender..
Insert the following – Republican, Democrat, National Socialist, Communist, Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Capitalist, Catholic, Muslim, Protestant, Jew, Straight, Homosexual, Lesbian, Transgender, Blacks, Whites, Asians, poor, rich, etc…
Now press blend..
final synthesis is
Communitarianism
In other words, a White Country is not in the cards..
Fighting Communitarianism is the same thing as fighting WHITE GENOCIDE.. IT’S THE SAME FIGHT!!!
Communitarianism is the New World Order..
A3P (American THIRD Position) was designed, I suspect, as a tool to basically heard “White Racists” towards Communitarianism.. Wake Up Silly Rabbits!!!
A3P is herding you into the giant blender towards the final synthesis.. Oh sure, you’ll be promised stuff.. In the end, you’ll be lead into blind alleys and you will never get what you’re fighting for.. a White Homeland..
@Hadding Scott: I agree with Brother Hadding, with regards to the poison of ‘Libertarianism’.
I should also confess that I, myself, have a number of very strong and deep-rooted passions that are very libertarian-oriented. However, what differentiates my libertarian leanings from the garden variety, radical Libertarianism that most of today’s hard core libertarians practice – is that I place loyalty to my race and tribe on the same approximate level as I place loyalty to my immediate family.
Tribal loyalty and tribal thinking is the natural ingredient that ensures survival of the group. Selfish or infantile behavior and adopting an attitude that the only important thing is what is best for the individual and nobody else – is a recipe that guarantees that the group will not survive. This is why the jews invented ‘libertarianism’ and why they are heavily promoting this ideology to White Europeans – they want to keep us thinking as disorganized, disconnected ‘individuals’ while they continue to think and behave as a collectivist and highly ethnocentric, hyper cohesive group.
Individual liberty is important, I agree. But, when the exercise of individual liberty becomes an exercise in selfishness and reckless self-indulgence and that behavior then threatens the survival of the group, then a critical line is crossed and the priority has to be the group interests.
@Trenchant: Do Gazelles and Antelopes try to mate with African Lions?
Mating with the predator who seeks to devour you doesn’t sound to me like a very smart idea.
@Luke: Undoubtedly true, but still not an argument to legislate. I trust common sense or instinct to prevail, and not some Big Brother.
@Luke: Jews are prominent in every social movement, libertarianism included. As you’ve mentioned with AR, they’ve taken an active part in the WN movement, too, with an eye to subverting that.
@Trenchant:
Yes, but they can’t subvert us, just so long as our single unifying principle is not just a right, but an essential duty, to foster a sense of peoplehood in ourselves. A principle like that cannot be subverted because for whatever harm can be done each day, there are a thousand more woken ups seeing things as they really are, on that same day.
Part of Edward Bernay’s tobacco PR was that smoking was an excellent way to avoid excess weight gain and also alleviated morning sickness during pregnancy.
“Reach for a lucky instead of a sweet.”
He also brokered a deal between tobacco and companies that made wallets, cigarette cases etc to manufacture very pretty smoking accessories for women. I remember an aunt who had a mother of pearl lighter and matching mother of pearl cigarette case.
@mari:
For those who haven’t seen The Century of the Self, or who don’t know about Edward Bernays:
http://vimeo.com/24959321
Curious that NS’ most prominent flag-waver doesn’t seem to have a position on interracial marriage with Jews.
@Trenchant:
Instead of playing the Grand Riddler, why don’t you just state openly what the hell you are even for? Is it merely to end the state, have an orgasm, and die?
@blue rose:
“When you say you are a Japhethite, how are you saying this? Do you mean this is your belief you are a descendant of the youngest of Noah’s three sons? If so, doesn’t this actually make you a Jew? Are you Celtic? The Celts have the hidden tradition of a Jewish princess named Queen Tara having arrived to Scotland and marrying someone there, a king I guess.”
The modus operandi (call it Coat of Many Colors Syndrome) of the Hebrews seems to be sidling up to the seats of power and then marrying into them like Joseph did Pharoah’s daughter. Ivanka Trump, Caroline Kennedy, Chelsea Clinton, and Jenna Bush, John McCain, Joe Biden, etc. all have very kosher tastes in marriage partners, for example. For all you Japthethites who wannabe Jews, my advice is to acquire a lot of wealth and power. They obviously have relaxed their rules about intermarriage with some shabby goys, but obviously charge them a hefty admission fee into the tribe,
The only Jews that can claim blood kinship to Japheth are the Ashkenazi Jews or Khazars who, I theorize, comprise those pesky lost Israelites based on these factors: They are DNA related to all of World Jewry through the men, not the women. Since the Jacob’s descendants were very much into endogamy, this suggests men who were repelled from their homeland by invaders who carried off their women as trophies of war, forcing them to seek brides where they settled. Last, this is the only group of pagans that were not converted to an Abrahamic religion by swordpoint like Galilee, Edom, etc. were to Judaism, most of Europe to Christianity and Arabia to Islam. This suggests to me that this group was possibly secretly practicing some version of Judaism for a long, long time.
Japheth was indeed the youngest son of Noah and established the Indo-European people. Japheth was also worshipped by the early Greeks as Iapetos or Iapetus, the son of heaven and earth and the father of a multitude of nations which traced their royal dynasties to Japheth. They are as follows:
Gomer – Spain and France. Gomer’s son Ashkenaz – German Saxons and Denmark Angles (Anglo Saxons). The Ashkenazi Jews from Germany or Eastern Europe. Magog – Russia and possibly Ireland. Madai – Iran/Persia. They were the early Aryan invaders of India who also brought the Hindu god Pra-japati (lord of offspring) and the Vedas or early Hindu scriptures. The Aryan languages of Northern India comprise the Indo-European family of languages that includes Persian or Iranian languages but also languages such as Sanskrit, Hindi and Urdu, Bengali, Panjabi, Marathi and Gujarati. Javan – Greece, Syria and adjacent regions. Tubal – North to Georgia and Russian Siberia and south to Portuguese- Spanish Iberia. Meshach – central Turkey. Tiras – Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Albania and the Balkans of southeast Europe. His descendants worshipped him as the god, Thor.
FYI, the only ancestry I am aware of comprises Switzerland, France, and Poland. Roman Catholic religion. No ancestral memory or tradition that remotely resembles Judaism. No tradition or talk of being the chosen people from the middle east. Moreover that idea does not upset me. Why with such an illustrious ancestor would I COVET Shem?! Or Abraham?! Let the Jews and the Arabs duke it out over them (as long as they don’t involve me or mine). I’m happy to let the “winners” claim them.
Proof that we may have the very beginnings of a truly alternative, race-realist, money-making media building. This is just mild stuff right now, but the Taki guy is laughing about three online magazines (The Chronicle, The American Conservative, and Taki) would like to have Derbyshire.
http://www.observer.com/2012/04/takis-mag-founder-speaks-out-on-john-derbyshire-race-controversy-its-nice-to-be-light-sometimes/
The number THIRD is a reference to the final synthesis.. It’s neither the Right, nor the Left.. but it’s the “perfect” middle ground.. THE THIRD WAY.. It’s the balance between all ideologies, all races, all religions, (balancing community rights vs individual rights), etc.. Basically, It’s COMMUNISM 2.0
That’s how I know that A3P is a Communitarian outfit.. The things that are being pushed here on this blog and forum confirm my suspicions…
I rest my case!! Go read or yourselves..
http://nord.twu.net/acl/research/thirdway.html
What we got here is treason..
9-11 was a false flag operation to bring about Communitarianism..
Project for the New American Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94diYW09u8
9-11 was the excuse to kill the Bill o Rights and Gut Out the U.S. Constitution.. It was also an excuse to enter the Middle East to spread Communitarianism there..
Anyone who supports Communitarianism is a TRAITOR!
@Facio Libre:
This is an example of putting something before White Survival. Whether it is a political ideology, a conspiracy theory, preoccupation with WWII, a particular religion, it all amounts to the same thing. All those things may be fine in and of themselves, but they should not be the continuous focus of anyone when engaged with this site. If they are, then they are are on the wrong website, most likely indulging themselves with an audience to talk to, rather than doing anything productive for Whites. If people here spent half as much time posting pro-White sentiments on forums and websites, as they do mulling over tired old theories or inventing news here, we would be much further along.
Take some of that energy and apply it to the real world explicitly on behalf of Whites.
And if you haven’t yet, please sign the petition to stop White genocide. It would make a great political statement if it gets enough signatures. It only takes a few seconds to click.
http://www.change.org/petitions/robert-walker-whitaker-and-other-american-dissidents-appeal-to-dmitry-anatolyevich-medvedev-for-solidarity-against-white-genocide
@ason Speaks
This is an example of putting something before White Survival.
Everything I post here is related to White survival. These aren’t theories.. These are facts..
@Facio Libre:
I’m not saying they aren’t facts. And I’m not singling you out, believe me. Sure, if a political theory is good, it’s good for Whites. But that is true of a lot things. It’s like religion or the Masons – assume it’s all true, I just think we all need to spend a little more time posting explicitly pro-White material on other websites. We all debate each other a lot, what Horus called dissidents writing for dissidents. It has it’s place, but I think we are getting close to a critical period and Whites need to feel it is OK to come out as pro-White.
@Clytemnestra:
OK thanks for the cut-and-paste, but I didn’t understand it.
All I got out of it is that apparently you do believe you (as a Japhethite descend from Noah, which including the Askenazi jews – Ashkenaz – German Saxons and Denmark Angles (Anglo Saxons), that it’s all good, you’re all Hebrews meaning all of Europe and this is somehow different than the Jews, and you all believe in the Old Testament, and that indeed the Jews cover the Earth, the Old Testament prophecies are true and the Jews have inherited the Earth, regardless if not all claiming Jewish heritage, since all on Earth descend from one of the 3 sons of Noah. And therefore the Old Testament is true and no other races actually exist on Earth. All of this is what I think you’re saying with the cut-and-paste.
OK then, that will have to do. I guess this explains why sometimes I do *feel* Jewish. Of course, the entire explanation is not satisfactory to me, but I can’t seem to get any further with it than to say British Israelism, Brit-Am, Christian Identity apparently is a deep undercurrent of belief in Europe, Britain, and the USA that constitute the underpinnings of Christianity.
Well, myself, I prefer Zen Buddhism, but I guess that too is derived from one of the sons of Noah. Oy vey.
@blue rose:
Let me clarify. None of the purely Japhethite tribes of Europe could be considered in any part Hebrew.
The one exceptional tribe of Europe is the Ashkenazi Jew (product of Ashkenazi maternal line and fathered by a Hebrew male line) which is why they share the same male DNA or Cohen gene as the rest of the Jewish males of the world. I am not an expert on the religion nor am I interested in becoming one, so I leave the hair-splitting up to the Jewish theologians to decide if AJs qualify if the original females were Ashkenazi Japhethites.
The rest of the Japhethites do not qualify as Jewish or Hebrew unless they formally convert, though the rate that Jews leave the religion by marrying out through the generations (especially during the Philosemitic Honeymoon Stage of the diaspora indicates that there is a great chance that some non-Ashkenazi Japhethites have some admixture of Hebrew somewhere.
There may be a chance you have some Hebrew ancestor that you are unaware of and I’m not hardcore enough to think that makes you some sort of mutant. My best advise is to tune out anybody’s wiring but your own and be a “cafeteria diner.” Instead of assuming stuff about your background that you don’t know for sure, take the individualist approach and appropriate any idea that works for you.
I might add that, many WNist claims to the contrary, not ALL Jewish practices are evil or crazy. There is a lot about the Jewish people I respect and admire even while I acknowledge that like every other group, they have their share of people they don’t like to talk about. They have a lot of great ideas where it comes to building solidarity and cohesion as well as preserving and nurturing their own in-group that makes me envious as hell.
Jews don’t infuriate me the way they do a lot of WN’s, because I believe they are wired and therefore think completely different from the way I do. They are genetically close enough that there are times when an understanding can be reached, but other times, no way, no how.
White Nationalists spend too much time worrying about how any action of theirs may benefit the Jews rather than simply focusing on how they will benefit other Whites. If the White and Jewish agenda intersects, that’s wonderful, but if it doesn’t, them’s the breaks, that shouldn’t stop us with proceeding as we deem fit. Hint: whatever move we make, a Jew will benefit, because though they are highly cohesive to outside threats, they are not a hive mind. Since no matter what we do it will result in some very PO’ed Jews AND some very happy kosher kampers, we might as well please ourselves.
Here I’d like to insert the hypothesis that most Diaspora Jews might not be necessarily malevolent and evil if they don’t see being a minority as the handicap that Whites do. If you think about it, they’ve spent thousands of years being the minority of any country they are in and weathered it just fine. Of course they have usually chosen White civilizations as their hosts, but this may still be blissful ignorance of obvious racial differences where they are concerned.
However now that Operation Moses, Sheba, and Solomon (where Israeli leftist libtards who guzzled the multiracial koolaid) imported Jews from the Sudan and Ethiopia and putting more conservative Israelis on the same page as White Nationalists, to the extent that the Lembas of Zimbabwe suing to get in are upset.
The Lemba Cultural Association has approached the South African Jewish Board of Deputies asking for the Lemba to be recognized as Jews by the Jewish community. The Association complained that “we like many non-European Jews are simply the victims of racism at the hands of the European Jewish establishment worldwide” and threatened to start a campaign to “protest and ultimately destroy ‘Jewish apartheid.”
We all reap what we sow eventually.
Personally, I feel that the biggest problem of rainbow “diversity s our strength” multiculturalism is that it enforces an impossible “one-size-fits-all” kind of egalitarianism rather than recognizing that each ethnic group and race has its own peculiar gifts and talents that should be respected and acknowledged.
The belief that with enough time, attention and money thrown at them, any Non-Whites could OR SHOULD be changed into Pseudo Whites so that they can assimilate into White countries and cultures is a very insidious and toxic form of White supremacy that doesn’t help any of us, but in fact, hurts us all.
@Jason Speaks: I gather that you reserve your abhorrence for miscegenation only between European stocks and blacks, Asians, mestizos. not between Jews and European peoples. Fair enough.
But Hadding Scott, adulator of the Führer, translator of original language works and one of the more prolific exponents of NS on this site, silent on Jew/European miscegenation? Well, yes, that is a complete riddle to me.
@Trenchant:
I don’t deny the existence of race and Jews are much more a racial phenomenon then just a religious one. If we think of our Jewish problems as stemming purely from their religion, we have missed the mark. Race comes first and is more important, than religion.
@Jason Speaks: So are you in favour of laws prohibiting marriage or union between Jews and Europeans, both of which we agree are of different racial stocks?
@Trenchant:
Grand Riddler, I am in favor of a homeland for Jews that is separate from White nations. As to what what happened with people who were, say 1/32 Jewish, I don’t know.
@Jason Speaks: A homeland is a something I don’t deny anyone, but miscegenation is something entirely different, so your position is no clearer to me on whether Jews should be prevented from marriage or de facto union with Europeans.
@Trenchant:
What point do you seek to make?
@Jason Speaks: Purely to understand whether your support for miscegenation prohibition, as touted by Hadding Scott, extends to Jews and Europeans.
If you don’t want to give a straight answer, I’ll not be offended, I’m not Torquemada.☺
@Trenchant:
Yes, I would say that if laws against miscegenation are in place, they should apply to Jews as well. My preference would be to escort the Jews to their homeland so there would none around to marry.
@Facio Libre:
It’s because libertarianism is not considered beyond the pale of permitted ideologies.
@Trenchant: I just don’t see much reason to respond. Anybody with a clear mind that reads what you’ve said should notice that your libertarianism is a problem for us. It doesn’t need me to point it out.
@Jason Speaks:
It was not a “one-drop rule” in regard to Jewish admixture in Germany. Anybody that did not have at least one Jewish grandparent was considered not Jewish at all under the Nuremberg Laws. (One or two Jewish grandparents constituted a mischling. Three or four Jewish grandparents, full Jew.) This was a moderate standard that was not going to be unpalatable to the German people or make them worry about whether somebody far back in their ancestry may have been a Jew.
The standards established by Himmler for membership in the SS were much tighter. Emil Maurice met the standards for German citizenship under the Nuremberg Laws but as an eighth-Jew he was expelled from the SS.
@Jason Speaks: I should also mention that Jews married to Germans before the passage of the Nuremberg Laws were grandfathered in. A famous example is Professor Karl Haushofer and his Jewish wife.
This kind of compromises had to be made. Otherwise the German people would have found the law unbearably harsh.
@Jason Speaks, Hadding Scott, @ others who share your views:
Your missing the point. The point is that ONLY white people are intelligent enough to live and prosper in a free society. We should demand a WHITE Country on the basis that we want to live in a free society.
Multiculturalism = Big State
The reason why we are losing our freedoms is because we are being forced to share our living space with blacks, Hispanics, and other third world peoples.
As is clearly evident from the American experience, third worlders do not do well in a free market economy.. hence the need for the welfare state.. They are also more violent and commit crimes at a disproportionally higher rate.. hence the need for gun control laws, and the police state- Big Mommy Society..
The (hostile) elites want what they always wanted – more power. To solidify their power they have devised policies of non-white immigration en mass into White countries for this very PURPOSE.
We want to live in a free society. Therefore, we demand a White country because only WHITES are capable of individual responsibility that is necessary in a free society.
Get it???
We want to live in a free society. Only WHITES are capable of individual responsibility that is necessary in a free society.
Therefore, we demand a White country.
Multiculturalism = Big State = Communitarianism
White Country = Freedom
Communitarianism is the end result of multiculturalism..
To get rid off multiculturalism we must attack and destroy communitarianism..
To destroy communitarianism we must champion freedom..
That is why we should support Ron Paul and like minded people..
For implicit whites..
I don’t HATE black people..
I love Freedom..
Only White people are intelligent enough to handle FREEDOM!!
White Country = Free Country
Multiracial Country = Police State
Why are there so many black people in Prison??
Blacks cannot handle FREEDOM..
@Clytemnestra:
OK. Thanks for bearing with me.
So basically, considering oneself (literally) a Japhetite, one of the three sons of Noah, seems to hinge entirely on the acceptance of the Jewish Old Testament myths. Unless you were using this term in merely a figurative sense. Protestants that believe in British Israelism, Christian Identity, Brit-Am ideas, but Catholics also:
‘ The Origin of Nations is a online revision of In Search Of … The Origin of Nations by C.M. White, based on more accurate research and information, with a Catholic view-point. ‘
You are right, though, that one of the sons of Noah — Japheth — is believed according to these theories to be the origin of the European people. I guess it’s just a question of whether one wants to believe in a Jewish meta-narrative based on Jewish myths, and that both the New and Old are ‘the inerrant word of God’. My confusion comes in whether to believe real archaeologists or go with a meta-narrative.
The Jews have their own field of Jewish Archaeology, their main purveyor to the masses of the Jewish meta-narrative being Simcha Jacobovici, who is not even an archaeologist but passes himself off as one. I guess he just gives Christians/Catholics something to debunk. And so it goes on.
As to the rest of your views on the Jews, I agree. I’ve always loved their rousing Hava Nagila in dance and song.
@Facio Libre:
I do agree that Whites can only have the kind of individual freedoms they love, inside a White society.
Have you tried posting the Mantra any? It’s fun. Takes discipline to stick to the talking points. It’s actually better just to post it and move on. Let people know people they are not alone in their concern for White survival.
Libertarianism is not workable.
The nation-states of the Warsaw Pact were much more conservative of race and culture than the so-called Free World.
@Hadding Scott
The nation-states of the Warsaw Pact were INDEED, much more conservative of race and culture than the so-called Free World… YET, they all fell apart.. The reason for that is that they lacked the key component – FREEDOM.
@Hadding Scott
Communism was imposed by force onto the nation-states of the Warsaw Pact from the outside by the Soviet Union. Soviet Union was a multicultural society.
@Hadding Scott: Thanks for the history lesson, which sheds absolutely no light on whether you recommend something along the lines of Nuremburg laws to prevent race-mixing between Europeans and Jews. This simple question obviously discomfits you, though I can’t imagine why.
@Facio Libre: Most white people cannot handle freedom, what most people want is not liberty but license. What does libertarianism want?
Conservatives want to be your daddy.
Liberals want to be your mummy.
And Libertarians want to kill mummy and daddy so they can stay up all night and eat ice cream.
Someone talking about ‘freedom’ or ‘liberty’ is as stupid as talking about ‘equality’ unless they define a particular freedom to support, restore or defend.
@Jason Speaks:
The chances of miscegenation legislation ever being enacted under democracy are even less than Ron Paul dictating memos from the Oval Office, so I think Jews can rest easy about any coercive aliyah.
@Trenchant: A few decades ago, those laws existed. Stop preaching defeatism.
@Skadhi_the_Raverner
I disagree.. Grown adults don’t need mommy nor daddy to look after them.
If you eat too much ice cream you’re gonna get a stomach ache.. Only and idiot would continue to do that.. Well you can keep eating ice cream until you die.. but just think how much the gene pool would strengthen by the elimination of such weak links from the society..
ALERT:
See the ‘Cyber Intelligence Sharing & Protection Act’ CISPA (HR 3523). If you want sites like this to be able to continue you better get hold of your congress-criminal.
It’s all over.
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2012/04/this-is-at-helsinki-university.html
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in regards to 11:58
@Hadding Scott: Why the evasion? Do you support legislation against Jewish-European marriage or not? Are you worried that your words could frustrate travel plans?
@Trenchant: What you are doing is exploiting the fact that the current destructive political climate is much more in tune with your libertarianism than with my national-socialism. So, you are asking me what I would do ideally, knowing that it is not going to seem realistic.
I am not going to play that game.
I will say however that what was acceptable to popular attitudes a few decades ago could become acceptable again. I am sure that a lot of White people even now would prefer that miscegenation with Blacks were illegal.
@Trenchant:
OK, I would ban marriages between Jews and Whites. Or, if they want to marry, they would have to live elsewhere. But since it would be a White nation, this issue wouldn’t come up very much.
@Jason Speaks: Thank you for your frankness.
@Hadding Scott: So libertarianism is unworkable, yet you shy away from specifics about how your scheme would be implemented. Pot, meet kettle.
@Trenchant:
Is it particularly shocking that I would suggest that? Why would it be controversial?
@Trenchant:
Libertarianism is unworkable for practical reasons, and it will not save the race — but it has mainstream propaganda on its side. It is a permitted ideology.
N-S is completely workable in practical terms and would save the race, but it has mainstream propaganda against it. It is NOT a permitted ideology.
You see the difference? This is no pot-and-kettle comparison. More like apples and oranges.
@Hadding Scott:
“N-S is completely workable in practical terms”
Real world examples, aside from the disaster of German?
@Hadding Scott: MSM is against libertarianism, too. MSM is a bedfellow of the government, bound to it by licensing and monopoly grants, and copyright protection.
@Trenchant: Since you live in an alternate libertarian reality with its own version of history, trying to demonstrate anything would be a wasted effort. I’ve done it before.
@Hadding Scott: Thanks for more unsubstantiated assertions. You’re a busy man, no doubt.
@Trenchant: The fact that you have your own special version of history tailored to validate libertarian assumptions is something that you’ve proven a number of times. It doesn’t need me to prove it.
@ Hadding Scott & Trenchant:
I’ll have to admit that I’m closer to Trenchant on ideology.. But this bickering back and forth between Whites is also know as the Hegelian Dialectical box. The final synthesis of this is communitarianism.. Lets step out of the box fellas!!!
The solution to our predicament is simple – defend the constitution and the bill of rights.. This is the only way to work our way out of this mess we’re in..