The following is part 2 of the translation of my speech delivered in the German language ( Die Zukunft der Völker Europa) at the NPD Summer Academy in Saarbrucken, Germany (August 23-26, 2012). The meeting and the lectures were also attended by several representatives of the Front National from the nearby Alsace, France. The original speech in the German language can be downloaded here.
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A Forthcoming War in Europe
A likely war in Europe is not going to have clear cut demarcation lines between “good White Europeans” vs. “evil dark-colored non-Europeans,” as many nationalists in Europe and the USA often anticipate. The pending war will demonstrate nasty features of combined class struggles, racial struggles and messy interethnic struggles within, between and amidst Europeans themselves. And yet, the aforementioned distorted and politically biased historical narratives must not be an excuse for Europe’s age-old small time nationalisms. Petty nationalism, whether of the German, Croatian, American, English, or French extraction, has inflicted immense damage to all European peoples. Only in retrospect can wee see the disastrous legacy of the nation-state which has bequeathed upon us, in the span of the last two hundred years, murderous religious wars, ongoing territorial disputes, and false historical memories. Last, but not least, we must all raise an embarrassing question: What does it mean today to exclaim “I am proud of being a German, a Fleming, a French, or an American,” considering that more than 10 percent of Germany’s citizens, 15 percent of France’s citizens and 30 percent of the U.S. population are of non-European descent?
Our main concern here should not be whether, or how much, or to what extent non-European immigrants residing inGermany, or in the EU can, or must be integrated. The fallacy and the danger of the multicultural system have already been well covered. Our prime goal is the reintegration of countless Germans back to their explicit Germanness; of countless Europeans back to their explicit European national awareness. Millions of Germans, or Croats, or Americans, or French, who vegetate as passing consumers, or as “Whites by default,” unaware of their own history and their own destiny, are far more of a problem than the further influx of millions more immigrants from theThird World.
”To be a German is not only he who speaks German, or he who comes from Germany, or he who possesses German citizenship. The state and the language are natural foundations of a nation, although a nation acquires its historical characteristics only from the art how it determines the life of the people of the same blood in its spirit. To live with the awareness of one’ nation means living within the awareness of its values. “(A. Moeller van den Bruck [1876 – 1925])
We often confuse the causes of non-European immigration with its effects. We hunt after a wrong scapegoat. Let us try to clarify it. Non-European immigrants are often depicted with the across the board noun “Muslims,” or “Islamists”—as if there are only Muslim immigrants coming to Europe. The notion of the religion should not be equated with the notion of the people. In the Balkans, for instance there are well over 10 million Muslims of European stock, yet many of them are very White people with Nordic features. Should we kick these peoples out of Europe? On the other hand, even if the present four million German Turks were to convert to Christianity that would not make the slightest difference to me. Our sense of nationhood and my sense of being part of an historic people depends not only on my, or on our religious affiliations, but are also grounded in our peculiar sense of the tragic, our unique sense of history— and of course, in our distinct biology. In America there are 50 million mestizo Latinos who are very Catholic and who believe in Jesus Christ. But these peoples are not part of our people or our culture and neither do I expect from them any empathy for my kind, or my kinsmen and my destiny.
There is also a conceptual error some of our colleagues make. Anti-Islamism, similar to the ideology of anti-fascism, is today a relatively risk-free and legally acceptable intellectual adventure. Of course, this adventure is frequently fueled by elites in the government and in the media, as well as by neo-conservatives, especially in the United States. Incidentally, anti-Islamism can also serve as a handy cover for disguising one’s own hatred of the multicultural system. Since it can be legally and professionally harmful to lambast non-White immigrants, let alone criticize out in the open European and American Jewry (e.g., for the support of multiculturalism), many Europeans and American nationalists hide their criticism of the multicultural system behind their criticism of Islam. Some prominent European nationalist figures recently went a step further: they began using strong anti-Islamic rhetoric, mixed with mandatory atonement trips to Israel—in a naive belief that they could henceforth better barter off a free ride for their criticism of multiculturalism.
Capitalism: the main enemy of the peoples of Europe
The blame for non-European immigration and the decomposition of the European peoples must not be solely borne by the immigrants. It is in the interest of the local capitalists to get a million-strong reserve army of cheap labor to Europe and to the U.S.; in turn, they can lower the wages of their domestic workers. Furthermore, non-European immigrants have little social consciousness, a weak sense of the trade union adherence and practically no sense for the European destiny. Therefore, they can be better manipulated by the local capitalists. One should consider therefore the globalists, the plutocrats and the financial “superclass” as the main enemy of the European peoples. A German stockbroker, or a Croatian or a Russian ex-communist speculator turned now into a capitalist shark, does not care where his nation is—as long as he can rake in big money.
We are all witnessing a reemergence of the silent holy alliance today—an alliance between the ex-Commissar and the Merchant, i.e. the marriage between the left-winger and big business. The European Left is in favor of mass immigration, given that the exotic picture of the non-European immigrant represents for it now the ersatz symbol of its long gone proletariat. For the capitalist, it is beneficial to bring people from the Third World into Europe, because they can best serve the interests of anonymous capital. The capitalist strives towards the removal of his people, because his people are too expensive for his business transactions. A leftist “antifa” wants to erase his people because it will always remind him of the rising “fascist beast.”
But the Church also bears a heavy responsibility for the decomposing situation of the European nations, especially with its ecumenical parlance of “help thy neighbor.” Americans, Europeans and White Christians are nowadays more concerned about the welfare of non-European peoples than the welfare of their own. A rich Qatari, or an oil sheik from Saudi Arabiacould not care less are about the young unemployed and destitute masses in Moldova, or the working poor in France of Spain. He does not feel much inclined to help his own kind in Palestine in the first place, let alone give a thought to the suffering of the millions of the unemployed in Europe. The influential American Cardinal, Timothy Dolan, also known “as the American Pope” openly preaches in the American media the necessity of the open borders and openly advocates the protection of illegal immigrants in theUSA. Therefore it is wrong to blame only stateless plutocrats, ethnic lobbies, or starry eyed leftists in their decomposition endeavors of the European peoples. Regarding the destructive equality doctrine by Christian savants, I’ will not discuss it here. I’ll refer you to my papers and books.
Conclusion: The End of the System
The mission of the nation-state in Europe has ended in serial disasters. The idea of a European Reich must be revived. It is not important how the idea of the Reich should manifest itself in the future and what statutory or legal forms it may assume. It can carry the name of the European confederation, or for that matter it can retain the name of the European Union. What counts though is not the form but the content of the new imperial (Reich) idea. The imperial idea excludes rabid nationalism and offers all European peoples a chance to hold on to their uniqueness, yet also meet their common duties. The Germanic Reich idea has nothing in common with the English “Empire,” or the French “Empire”. It should never be confused with those English or the French words respectively. (See Alain de Benoist’s “The Idea of Empire.”)
Centralism had always played a significant role in the development of the French imperial idea—which later gave birth to modern xenophobic nation-states and even worse, midwifed recently the strange centralistic structure, known as the EU. This was never the case with the idea of the Reich, in which supra-national and federal undercurrents had for centuries been the guiding principle of the ruling elites. The Reich means European ethnic plurality within a strong political unity. However, the imperial idea for the European peoples requires a new hierarchy of values, values which lie in sharp contrast to today’s liberal values. In today’s egalitarian, economistic system, where the rule of money is the only religion and where the sameness of all individuals and cultures runs full course, the idea of the empire is an oxymoron.
Yet the imperial Reich idea is also a logical response to a political threat. One thousand years ago, the idea of the empire was the only answer to the threat of the Huns, the Mongols and Turks. Back then in the 17th century had it not been for the European Prince Eugene of Savoy, had it not been for the idea of the empire, Dr. Sunic would be delivering a different sermon today and maybe his name would be Alia or Mohamed.
What’s the point in living in a so-called independent Croatia, or Lithuania or in Germany if all Western states, without any exceptions, have no more sovereignty left, all being instead ruled by the American proconsuls, Euro-commissioners and anonymous banksters?
The good news, however, is that the system has been dead for quite some time. The experiments with abstract dogmas of multiculturalism, the belief in the economic progress amidst ethnically rootless people have failed. Events in both Europe and the U.S. show us daily that the liberal experiment is history. There is sufficient empirical evidence to prove that. It is a typical feature of the dying system to resort to pathetic words about “its infallibility,” “its eternity,” and to pontificate about “its truthfulness”—precisely at the moment when the system is falling apart. Such complacent wishful thinking we have experienced countless times in Western history. The bogus self-conception of today’s ruling class in the EU about the “end of history” reminds me of the mindset of the political class in former Communist East Germany and the former communistYugoslavia—just before their collapse. In the summer of 1989, there were still big marches in the GDR with all local communist bigwigs raving about the “indestructibility of communism.” A few months later, the Berlin Wall fell down—and the communist system was dead. Today’s ruling class in the West, or in the EU, is very weak, and it well aware of it, but cannot admit it openly. It does not know where it is headed. What should be of interest for all of us is the coming state of emergency and who will be the person to declare it. Once the state of emergency begins, our present political discourse will assume a different meaning. Then the plow may again turn into the sword. Thanks for you attention.
Dr. Tom Sunic (www.tomsunic.com) is a writer and the Board member of the American Third Position Party)
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Once the state of emergency begins, our present political discourse will assume a different meaning. Then the plow may again turn into the sword.
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I do agree that there is plenty of blame to go around and this is why I have often spoke of the little known reinhabited uSA and Articles of Confederations state Governments in America. We can all see the writing on the wall in America as the Corporation 1871 USA Government is on its last leg.
This is why I support deportation for ALL peoples who refuse to support our mutual law source and real law, which is Christian/Common/Natural/Constitutional law as seen in the Article 3 of the Constitution which can be traced back to the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.
This does not mean that one has to believe in God but it does gives us white the ammo in which to define our common heritage, culture, religion, ethnicity and nationalism- its values, morals and rules within inside the context and enforcement of actual LAW. Couple this with the enforcement of the real 13th Amendment that forbids any foreign alliegence, titles or nobilities to be exempt from American citizenship and we have a impervious principal in law to stand on to rid outrselves of all, of any race, to be deported. This would culminate in a massive cleansing of America and a return to European/white dominance to the tune of being 90-95% of the population with a minority population that are supporters of us and not our enemy.
You are right, when the veil is gone, the plow might be turned into a sword but lets hope not.
Two disagreements:
1. We shouldn’t tolerate Islamic Whites in Europe the same way we shouldn’t tolerate Marxists or antifa. Marxism and Islam are both historical enemies of Europeans, and to have Whites follow these two religions is insulting and counter-productive.
2. Cheap labor has nothing to do with third world immigration into Europe. There’s no labor shortage whatsoever. Europe is post-industrial; this isn’t the 1950s anymore, where hundreds of people work on assembly lines in factories. Everything is done electronically by computers, and these immigrants aren’t smart enough to do that kind of work; that’s why 90% of these people are unemployed. The third worlders are in Europe because the jews want them there to wipe out the native Whites. It’s genocide, plain and simple.
3. I don’t think we need any kind of “Reich.” The Greek city-states were independent, sovereign entities but when they had to, they allied with one another against foreign threats. I think modern Europe should be something similar. Each nation can retain its own currency, culture, and identity, but there needs to be an understanding that they are all Europeans, and they need to to work together when the time calls for it.
@fender:
I added that third one last-minute.
One final comment about #3: the exception would be if there are simply too few Europeans left to maintain individual nations. Then it’d be necessary for all Europeans to come together to form a single collective.
http://provinzschlesien.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/wahlfahrt-in-gorlitz-npd-plakatwelle-macht-polen-und-deutsche-wutend
It is ironic that the NPD, for whom this speech was written, is itself very xenophobic toward its neighbor Europeans, the Poles.
@fender:
I agree with you. Your idea’s would fit in the law context I have above. Why? Islam’s law source is the Koran and derived from Ishmael not Isaac. Judaism’s law source is Talmudic/Judaism and it’s source is Babylon through Esau- not Isaac. The Satanic Catholic structure of a top down authority espoused by so many Hispanics could also be addressed because the RCC from the Vatican city Corp asserts it’s so called authority by usurping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by proclaim that the Pope is Vicar of God, or in other words, Christ on earth. Couple into this the 13th Amendment (real) where all who could not support and defend our Constitutional/Common/Natural/Biblical law source because they have a foreign alligence (Mexicans being loyal to Mexico or the Vatican) Israeli dual citizens (or all duals) have dual alligences, BAR lawyers, (British Accredited Registry) a title of the Crown out of the City of London Corp, Bankers (international affilations outside the jurisdiction of America) or any other religious or national identity being deported, and what do we have? America BACK is what we have!
IT IS IRONIC ABOUT THE NPD AND THE POLES. BUT NOT ALL OF THE ANIMOSITY COMES FROM THE GERMAN SIDE. POLES HAVE TO SHOW THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR II.
@fender:
Important correction:
I said
Judaism’s law source is Talmudic/Judaism and it’s source is Babylon through Esau- not Isaac
I should have said
Judaism’s law source is Talmudic/Judaism and it’s source is Babylon through Esau and while Esau does come from Isaac, it not of the God nor the physical line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob-true Israel/Judah.
Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”
— Menachem Begin – Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983
I think that if our inferior races can simply keep the Master Race under 24/7 electronic surveillance so that they cannot foment trouble, the rest of the planet can have their nation states and live in harmony.
Anyone carrying on a secret conversation with one of them would be charged with treason and punished.
We have the equipment now to keep them exposed to the light. Cell phones, the internet, videos, TV, and email make it hard to hide.
Like Vampires, they can only thrive in darkness and will have a very difficult time surviving in the light if they cannot adapt.
The ones that can adapt can have their own nation state and engage in fair trade with all the others. They can bring to the table whatever they have of value and trade for what they need just like everyone else.
To: Fender. The points are well taken. But hold it here:
1. City states are fine for direct democracy i.e. plebiscites, e.g. ancient Iceland thingvellir, or modern Switzerland to some extent. But what happens in the state of emergency? Spartans and Athenians were in the age of constant quarrels — they could not put up a firm resistance against the Persians. Dozens of free townships, towns in the Holy Roman Empire of the German People, from the 10th ct. to 19th ct. were unable to put up defence against external threats. First the plague of Huns, Mongols and Turks then—the envious Europeans. Hence the German bleeding during the 30 Years War in the 17th ct. , the intrusion of the Swedes, the rapacious French and marauders from all corners of Europe. The lack of the imperial idea helped the Islamic Turks – allied with Catholic France! – to push on till Venice and then twice to Vienna. BTW The French had specialized in selling them good cannons – courtesy of the Catholic Louis XIV. The Roman Empire serves as the best example that with good leaders one can have a lasting peace. Alas, when decadence and miscegenation starts it is a different ball game. It is over then.
2. Cheap labor. Good point. Most of them are half- literate, low IQ and not adaptable, anyway. Agree. But wait. I am meeting daily here on the Croat Dalmatian Coast “big proud Croat Whites,” running ritzy, sexy cafes, yet hiring only cheap low IQ bartenders and cleaning ladies from Muslim Bosnia or Albania. I ask them Why? “Tomislav, local Croats ask for bigger wages. No way.” “Those “ Turks” work for lower wages and do not ask many questions.” Ibid in TN or CA where lots of our very White kinsmen do the same. All good ol’ Whites. A famous Croat American, very Catholic, very White down in Sonoma, has big vineyards. Guess who ploughs his land? No Whites. Cholos are cheaper.
3. Marxism and Islam – I agree. But what about Judaism and its dainty Old Testament prescriptions on how to deal with the Unchosen Goyim Ones? Also Christian Thirty Years war in Europe bled Germany white (and White literally) of 6 million of its people in the 17th century – all in the name of Jesus Christ– by all warring parties. Ok. Let me try to be unbiased and objective. By the by I am not proud of the Croat ultra- loyal royal papist mercenaries of the 17th ct. either. Even now in the German language „Kroatenjahr“ ( The Year of the Croats) still means a “ very nasty year.” The Croat Catholic soldiers burned down in 1631 the Lutheran town of Magdeburg – ad maiorem dei gloriam!
But appreciate your points! Tom
Well, we don’t have much to be proud of in America anymore, we are sliding down to 3rd world status.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/post/us-slips-in-world-economic-forums-competitiveness-rankings/2012/09/05/22eda50e-f77f-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html
I personally consider this a natural consequence of affirmative action. If you don’t hire the best man for the job, the job will suffer even if the political ends are achieved.
@Tom Sunic:
1. Point taken, but the days of huge, massive armies on the march is over. Europeans are intelligent and tech-savvy; Arabs and Turks aren’t. What does their manpower matter if Europeans can just send a few unmanned aerial drones to strafe them from the safety of a bunker a thousand miles away, or shut down their entire nations with EMPs?
2. Agriculture in America is one thing. So is Turks in Croatia. At least there’s a (very weak) rationale behind their presence. But what on earth are Somalis doing in Sweden? They sure as hell aren’t doing any kind of work. They go to Sweden and eat and breed (among other things). Same goes for most Muslims. Their presence in Northwestern Europe is completely inexplicable, except as a outright declaration of war on Whites by jewish internationalists.
3. Judaism and Christianity, in my humble view, also need to be purged from Europe. Judaism especially, for obvious reasons. But first we need to focus on the racial aspects.
Sunić:
“The Croat Catholic soldiers burned down in 1631 the Lutheran town of Magdeburg – ad maiorem dei gloriam!”
That was payback because the Protestants supported the Turkish invasion of Central Europe from the very beggining. (80% of Croatian teritorry was occupied by the Turks – with support from the Protestants).
Sunić:
“The influential American Cardinal, Timothy Dolan, also known “as the American Pope” openly preaches in the American media the necessity of the open borders and openly advocates the protection of illegal immigrants in the USA.”
And this is supposed to prove what???
You can as well add stuff like:
Bishop Petar Berislavić was the most prominent Croatian anti-Turkish fighter…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Berislavi%C4%87
The priest Stipan Sorić led the Croatian uprising against the Turks during the Candian War (1645–1669).
He personally chopped off more than 200 Turkish heads.
Two preasts (Marko Mesić and Luka Ibrišimović) led the Croat forces during the Great Vienna War. They annihilated all the Turks in Lika and Slavonia, etc.
Oh, and never forget St John of Capistrano…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Capistrano
So, with all these Catholic heros, who cares about this “American pope” Dolan?
Dr. Sunic, I greatly appreciate your writings on European matters. It is absolutely incredible, how many millions of European-Americans seem so ignorant of European matters. Perhaps it’s because there has always been this idea that to be an American, is to be largely disinterested in politics of any kind, even homegrown. This is an attitude that people can no longer afford.
I was wondering about one aspect of European unity and how it would affect the dynamics of a potential united Europe. Language is what I have been assuming would be the linchpin in this potential unity. I was wondering if you could comment on the part language would play in the dynamics of European unity. I know the great scientist, at the turn of the nineteenth century, Wilhelm Ostwald had much to say about this.
@Fender and Sunic:
How can anyone justify purging Christianity when it is Christian white nations that purged the “Jews” 109 times in 2000 some years? The present atheistic, macro evolutionary mindset that was brought to power in white nations was brought there by the “Jews”. This culminated in our decline and enslavement.
If one follows Christ, they are willing to give their life for the other. There is no greater love that this and no more powerful example to follow when dealing with the evil exemplified by the “jews”; Christ’s number one enemy of the first order. I know modern Christianity has gone so far off its roots as to understand this truth but more the reason their mostly fake religion is going down today. When it dies however, know that real Christianity will be standing and those who fall, like the dead tree, will spread seeds that will sprout and join with us cleansing us from our past.
Have Christians been fighting each other in the name of Christ like fools? Unfortunately this is true but this is a symptom of the “Jewish” problem that fostered these divisions and wars- a fact that cannot be disputed. What needs to be done has to be done by right of Christian law and actual law in the white man’s world is predicated on the NT and OT as found in common law. This law trumps all legal fictions, even admitted in the fictitious judaic/economic codes that prevail in our lands as we speak.
As I mentioned above, this 2000 years worth of precedent in law can be directly traced back to both the OT and New Contract which says it is the law of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This fact excludes the Muslims and Jews from our societies which I thought was one of the prime goals we need to accomplish first.
Now, I can understand why you two would not want to comment on such a thing because maybe you are unfamiliar with our law source and common law but that should not stop you from investigating this angle.
When those in Europe’s governmental structures found out that we in America had reinhabited our previously lawful Governments that were left vacant, they went wild. Why are they so excited in Europe? Because they know too that our mutual law source trumps the “Jewish” controlled legal fictions- they know this is the beginning of the end of the “Jews” rule.
Some might think biblica/common/Christian law knowledge is silly, but they do not understand that when employed within the courts in America, Britain etc, these judges get blown away and literally, in many cases, up and leave the court because they have absolutely no jurisdiction over it. Can you not see the power in this, especially when one bases their entire Government upon this law source?
Christianity needs to be corrected and unfortunately, I fear this means the main stream corporation (Protestant-Catholic etc) false religions will be destroyed. I am not too worried about that because when this happens, some will go for another illusion while those who really believe and understand law, will triumph holding onto this law source individually and corporately in our reinhabited Governments that none in the world can defeat.
I know you two are speaking with one another and I do not mean to interrupt or expect a reply- that’s ok. I just would hope you would investigate what I am saying because it is true if one just does the research to verify it.
Well, well, I see that this excellent article under discussion has naturally been hijacked by Tyson’s nonsensical yammerings about Jacob and Esau and whatever was going on in Iraq and Syria 5,500 years ago.
Then there is Tom Sunic, spewing his anti Catholic bile and his very own version of Christian history which like Tyson’s nonsense has nothing to do with the plight of Europeans and their descendants in the Americas and the Pacific.
Tyson, I have a suggestion for you. If your fellow talmudic torah scholars won’t allow you to participate, why not write some spec scripts for that history channel show, “Ancient Aliens” There are also a lot of bible shows on nat geo and history channel. You know, there is a scene of people in a desert filming a pile of rocks which they claim is Rachel’s well or Abrahams grave or the rock upon which Abraham planned to kill Isaac because a cloud told him to.
Put your story telling talents to use Tyson, they are wasted here.
Thank you Tom. You have succeeded in starting another thread that will consists of protestants vs catholics with a few people like me occasionally correcting your historical inaccuracies.
You should get a bonus from Foxman this month Tom.
By the way, if Tom and Tyson don’t post next monday and tuesday we will know for sure they are agent provacatuers.
@mari:
Mari,
Actual Law trumps legalities and codes and rules. Law and legalities are NOT the same thing. You want me to prove this fact by way of the fictitious legal codes, law dictionaries, precedent?? You obviously are absolutely ignorant of law. Hence, it does not surprise me that you chime in on exactly like Franklin and Alice do, NEVER addressing the issues discussed but rather slandering, mocking and ridiculing anyone who speak any truth with a sincere heart.
I am SO glad your ilk’s influence here has diminished. It is the best thing that could happen to our people here.
Thank you Mr.Sunic, your knowledge of European politics and history is appreciated.
To TyronRobertParsons;
I do not wish to engage in a religious argument as I see this as divisive, however, I must say that the often repeated propaganda that is centuries old, and is quite damaging to indigenous Europeans must be rebutted. The constant harangue about all things concerning morality, law and hence a lawful society, instead of rule by thuggery, must always have come from Abraham and hence through the Torah and the NT is just wrong. I know it is difficult to grasp this when the big lie has been repeated for so long, but common law sprang from the people of northern Europe. Church or Latin law was a late addition. Common law is the law from experience of a people, not something decreed from the Vox of Rome.
See here what Thomas Jefferson had to say about the Saxons and their common law, which by the way, the Norse also had a common law which was a branch of Germanic law. I take what Thomas Jefferson had to say about this point of law with great admiration, of this mans courage and strait speaking!
http://www.foundingfathersquotes.blogspot.com/2007/07/thomasjefferson-on-commonlaw.html
please click on blogspot to see the quote
@torgrim:
What you fail to understand sir is that the common law of the Nordic/European peoples was carried with them as internal societal expression outwardly as their ancient law source. They held onto this law source from the time they were deported out of the Land of old Israel, as far East as India, to eventually turn and cross the Caucasian mountains flooding into Europe (after regrouping) initially around 5-600 BC. This law was practiced but polluted by way of the pagan religions which can be traced as an EXACT match to those in which our forefather corrupted the way through the adoption of paganism- an act that got them booted out of the land in the first place. Later, when Christianity arrived, the vandals, for example, and later the rest of the tribes put it right again and this coincided with the tribes of Israel accepting their risen Christ and his word of clarification regarding that common law.
I never said anything about Rome. Rome/RCC/Vatican has been had both a positive and a negative influence on the European race(s) as well as true Christianity. Positive in that it was the majority vehicle for the word being spread back to the tribes of Israel and negative in that is tried desperately to keep the pagan corruption within our mutual law source, hence the reason for the exodus of believers from Europe proper to be free and set things right in the new world, exemplified by the Mayflower compact, the first “Constitution” in America.
As to Mari and her ilk, it is a wondrous thing to behold that these atheistic macro evolutionary religion promoters expend so much time and energy fighting a God they claim doesn’t exist. If this doesn’t speak to their mental and spiritually delusional state, I don’t know what does.
Peace..
@fender:
2. Cheap labor has nothing to do with third world immigration into Europe. There’s no labor shortage whatsoever. Europe is post-industrial; this isn’t the 1950s anymore, where hundreds of people work on assembly lines in factories. Everything is done electronically by computers, and these immigrants aren’t smart enough to do that kind of work; that’s why 90% of these people are unemployed. The third worlders are in Europe because the jews want them there to wipe out the native Whites. It’s genocide, plain and simple.
I totally agree.
We always hear about “cheap labor” and how those greedy capitalists want to exploit poor hard working brown people.
Does that sound like something coming from the left?
Business is competitive. If you bring in cheap labor for your business then you bring cheap labor for your competition.
If a business really wants want cheap labor then they move the operation to a turd world location, like they do, and they must because they will go out of business if they don’t.
It makes no sense to blame cheap labor , in fact it helps the real culprits.
@fender:
2. Cheap labor has nothing to do with third world immigration into Europe. There’s no labor shortage whatsoever. Europe is post-industrial; this isn’t the 1950s anymore, where hundreds of people work on assembly lines in factories. Everything is done electronically by computers, and these immigrants aren’t smart enough to do that kind of work; that’s why 90% of these people are unemployed. The third worlders are in Europe because the jews want them there to wipe out the native Whites. It’s genocide, plain and simple.
I totally agree.
We always hear about “cheap labor” and how those greedy capitalists want to exploit poor hard working brown people.
Does that sound like something coming from the left?
Business is competitive. If you bring in cheap labor for your business then you bring cheap labor for your competition.
If a business really wants want cheap labor then they move the operation to a turd world location, like they do, and they must because they will go out of business if they don’t.
It makes no sense to blame cheap labor , in fact it helps the real culprits.
Dr. Tombo Sunic and Fender:
First of all, Albanians were known as ancient Illyrians. We are from the Germanic tribes with also a Nordic strain. Unlike you Tombo and your peeps the Slavs/Croats/Bosnians. They were many great Illyrian (Albanian) Roman Emperors. Unfortunately because of Albania being at an entry/port into Europe we were taken over by the Ottomans. Our national hero – Gjergj Kastrioti — a Roman Catholic –battled the Turks for 20 years with the Vatican’s encouragement and assistance. We kept the Ottomans at bay as long as we could — sacrificed ouselves in many ways for our fellow Europeans. In the end the Albanians religion is Albanianism which equals indiginous people of Europe that speak one of the oldest indoeuropean languages in Europe and are from Germanic tribes with a Nordic strain.
Just saying…
@TyronRobertParsons: Well, as I mentioned at the beginning of my post, it is not productive in the context of what we Europeans are up against to argue about something that happened as you say, 5500 years ago, as it would be hard to prove or refute in a logical manner. You have your beliefs and I have mine and I doubt we will agree about the absolutism of Abraham in the founding of the Northern nations, or the expelling of nations across the Caucasus, as you say, “booted out” for being pagans.
Rome was the vehicle that allowed Christianity in it’s state sponsored form to spread into N.Europe. That is also the path that brought Latin or Civil law to Europe.
Having a discussion about paganism and your view as a corruption, would be like Charlemagne when he met Rathbod of the Saxons…not much room for agreement there..either, the pagan Rathbod converted or he lost his head, which btw, he did. So, let’s just agree to disagree for frith’s sake.
The United States was, and in most respects, still is a Christian nation, and its’ success is directly attributable to this salient FACT. The founding documents mention God and the Creator numerous times, the first colleges and universities were SEMINARIES, the McGuffey Reader was used until the mid 60′s!!!!
There was a time in the not so distant past that if your spot was empty on the church pew on Sunday, people wanted to know WHY.
Now…I am willing to admit that Christians have been brainwashed by the Jews, and with doormat theology seem to have lost the will to fight against the Jews. However, I think that when things get ugly, people WILL side with their own kind. And the word is getting out.
@Todd French: I agree, primarily this is still a Christian nation and we share this as European people. Christianity was influenced by indigenous Europeans as much as Europeans were influenced by Christianity. This is/was a long process, not a simple grade school class where we were taught that at a certain date, xxxx, England for example became Christian, or all of Europe became Christian all at one time…In Iceland the Leadership met at Thingvillir, (Assembly Plains) and took into account of what had happened in Norway with an ongoing civil war between the indigenous culture and the new culture, from Rome…and it was decided by the Gothar that Iceland would be Christian in public settings, but in private the Old Way was to be allowed as well, this happened as late as 1000ce.
@Elizabeth:
Agreed and just as the fictional character Dracula coudn’t take sunlight, isn’t it ironic that the blood sucking parasitic Talmudist has the genetic diseases “Taysacs”, an inability to take sunlight!
A modern “Pale of settlement” is in order.
With them go their Freemasonic enablers, sodomites, paedophiles, race supremacists, for they are the weak link that puts ego before truth, feminists and those who are anti free speech!
One caveat:
They of their Chosen people/Master race will be condemned to live by themselves, never to plague the planet again, free to prostitute their women, have sex with their baby girls age 3 and below, take all the ecstacy they want and smoke all the skunk they wish!
They must be allowed as much freedom to corrode themselves as they wish!
I am perplexed as to why there are so few voices that speak out about “hate speech” laws in Europe. There are hate speech and holocaust denial laws that will get you serious jail time. But I hardly ever hear “White Nationalists” speak out against this obvious injustice, or use the injustice to any advantage.
The US is literally the only Western country in which you can talk legally about race. Why don’t more of you guys make an issue out if it?
Tom, you make some sweeping generalizations that are, in my view very irresponsible, eg “cheap labor” had very little to do with the 1965 immigration revolution. However at this point it is indeed likely that large corporations would like to see the elimination of restrictions on cross-border travel. OTOH, I was told by a German that his country needed the gastarbeiters from Turkey and elsewhere. With Germany aging now, there probably will be a call for allowing more immigration, but in the 80s and 90s there was less of a shortage. As fender points out, the majority of these immigrants in Europe (and states like Minnesota) have come to leech off the welfare system, not to work.
@ethnonationalism- Thanks for the links, I lol’d at the predictably whiny sounding book cited in the entry on John: “Antisemitism: a historical encyclopedia of prejudice and persecution, Richard S. Levy, “
@Jason Speaks:
Generally speaking, whites are under total control of Jewish bullying, brainwashing and are far too corruptible, hence all their movements are infiltrated and controlled by Jews!
Jews push the race bait game and once whites bite, it’s all over!
BNP, EDL to some degree UKIP, none speak out.
Now Jews target blacks, ie the Tottenham riot orchestrated out by Jews, in order foe big bucks real estate development of the Jew owned soccer club TOTTENHAMHOTSPUR!
No offence.
@Jason Speaks:
Generally speaking, whites are under total control of Jewish bullying, brainwashing and are far too corruptible, hence all their movements are infiltrated and controlled by Jews!
Jews push the race bait game and once whites bite, it’s all over!
BNP, EDL to some degree UKIP, none speak out.
Now Jews target blacks, ie the Tottenham riot orchestrated out by Jews, in order for big bucks real estate development of the Jew owned soccer club TOTTENHAMHOTSPUR!
No offence.
I thought this was a great speech, full of sense and sound logic. I also appreciate that Dr. Sunic avoided the old worn-out defeatist tripe that once hears from time to time in the WN sphere, and concur with the Dr.’s rational optimism. I agree completely that the present leadership of the EU is weak and growing weaker continually. I love the phrase, “what is falling needs a push”, and that is part of European Nationalists’ task. As I see the socialists preparing to send France into economic hardship, I rub my hands together and wait patiently as the straws begin to pile up on the camel’s back there, as is happening elsewhere.
@torgrim:
you said
Well, as I mentioned at the beginning of my post, it is not productive in the context of what we Europeans are up against to argue about something that happened as you say, 5500 years ago
Answer
Holy sh-t are you that lost as to not understand my citing in law is in today, RIGHT NOW, ENFORCED and not 5000 years ago which triumphs their legal fictions even admitted in their own rules?
I will leave it at there for now..sheesh
@TyronRobertParsons:
Here is an example is England
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVWKpNkav0U
@TyronRobertParsons:
Here is an example in Canada…remember, we in America have done the same thing but on a NATIONAL LAWFUL level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=55pjFKalOVc&feature=fvwp
Isn’t the NPD entirelyinfilltrated?
@Elizabeth: Sorry my Dear, but that’s simply impossible. The Jews are hard wired to cheat, usurp and swindle us and that is something which cannot ever be undone. There is no way they can be invited to share and care. What can be done is something once under quite serious discussion by the elites in Britain, Germany and France around the time of the early part of WW2:
Deport every last one of them to Madacascar.
Then every nation takes turns at surrounding and blockading the island with Naval Vessels for a two or three month rotation. Trade is restricted to basics, diplomatic ties forbidden and when ever a Jew is found winkled away in the West he is deported there without trial. To do this of course they first need to be defanged. No Nukes. Just let them live among themselves………..if they can.
Good point: ethnonationalism.
But it was a big luck that Croatia’s “rest of the remnants of one’s big Croat kingdom” (reliquiae reliquiarum olim inclyti regni Croatiae) by the mid – 16th century remained all European. Many thanks to the Reichsidea and the – Austro- Hungarian Empire.
Turks managed after 1526 to get to Budapest upstream the Danube river (stayed there 150 years), later to the vicinity of Vienna, but never to the Croat heartland and the capital, Zagreb. Alas, they nowadays utilize different—breeding means for the same goals.
It was the prowess and the intelligence of German and Polish soldiers who saved us all in 1683, from unimaginable disaster. But, then again let us not blame the Bad Other, i.e. Muslims, Jews, Coloreds; let us blame our petty jealousness and turf passions. The French did much harm to all Europeans from 15 to 19th ct, – and then come the big Brits, from 19th to 20th ct, with their ideas culminating in that drunkard Churchill–that we still have to pay for. Tom
To; Illyrians – protectors of Europe
I agree, Albanians are the oldest Indo-European people in Europe, the descendants of Illyrians. Very proud people and attached to the concept of honor. Just because a handful of Albanian crooks hit the headlines ever now and then re some prostitution rings in Amsterdam, or some dope deals gone sour in the port of Antwerp, must never be a reason to vilify this entire very proud nation. An Albanian friend is a friend forever.
Most of them are Muslims (very secular ones), but there are 30 percent of Christians among them. Alas, they do not get along with Serbs!
BTW Folks, we need to finally make a distinction between race and religion. These terms are not synonymous. Likewise, we need to take into account, as German racial scientists L. Clauss and H. Guenther did in their works, that there is a spiritual side to race. What is the point of dating a good looking white person if that white person is a crook or a mental misfit? We have all met many of those Whites – haven’t we? BTW. Albanians played in the late 14ht century a crucial role in the fight against the incoming Turks, as the “Illyrian” aptly notes about Gjergj Kastrioti. Moreover, more recently, in the late 1944 Albanian mountain men were crucial in fighting communist partisans and thus helped save the lives of many German Wehrmacht soldiers of the huge German Army E, on its retreat from Greece back to Austria — across this inhospitable and rugged terrain. Some of your friends from the largest US military base, Bondsteel in the nearby Kosovo, could tell you more.
@Illyrians – protectors of europe:
No offence, but now albanians are a mixed people between old stock mediterranean and turks (genetic studies, more than 30% is E haplogroup-north african and 30% is J middle eastern). Albanians are the only european people who almost entirly changed christian faith with islam. Now they changed islam with “albaniaism”(what’s that?), next will change with judaism if it will benefit in that day for the albanians. Such low loyalty tells a lot. Albanians tend to be turks best friends and act like marrocans when emigrate in other european countries (pimping, drug trafick and smuggling ilegal immigrants). So in conclusion albanians as a nation are halfbreed, dubious-delinquents who have the religion of egotism.
@Eva: I’ve got a few problems with Tom Sunic, but he is dead on the money when he encourages White Europeans of all ethnicity’s and nationalities to put aside their petty in-group squabbles and come together as a one, united group of White people and then fight the jews as a TEAM, instead of wasting our energies and resources fighting amongst ourselves.
This is why I tend to get particularly irritated whenever I hear obnoxious creeps like Arthur Kemp, or others of a similar ilk as he, start drawing up rules, prohibitions and descriptions of some of the racially aware White groups or individual Whites within our movement who Kemp and his ilk would like to ostracize. This is clearly a weak kneed, spineless and cowardly effort to appease our mortal enemies – and let THEM decide who we allow to be part of our team and what tactics we will be allowed to use in our struggle.
Can you envision a football game between the White team and the Red Team – and the stakes are life or death, and the White team has advisers who tell it that we have to let the Head Coach of the Red Team choose our roster for us and to write our playbook for us? That is exactly what Arthur Kemp and his ilk are promoting – so, my advice is, steer clear of these guys because they are enemy moles.
Whites need every racially savvy, racially healthy White recruit we can find and each in their own particular way, can make contributions to our movement.
Great speech by Nick Griffin (BNP) concerning the state of European nationalism. Nick lays out how a hostile takeover of European right-wing parties is orchestrated right now. Very informative, please watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRIm8hYfBo
@Floda: I consider Floda’s remedy to be a compassionate one, and I fully support it.
Rev. Ted Pike, and E. Michael Jones – both of whom are heavily influenced by their respective religious belief systems, believe that if we can continue to sprinkle more and more holy water on the heads of jews, that eventually they’ll absorb enough of it and mend their evil ways and then no longer be an existential threat to White European man kind.
This formula for addressing jewish predatory and subversive behavior has had a 2,000 year long clinical trial study, and the evidence clearly shows that its been a dismal failure.
Ding, Dong, Ding Dong. ‘All passengers bound for Madagascar should now proceed to board the ship. We hope you enjoy your voyage. Oy Vey!’.
@Luke:
You know what builds team spirit? A concrete, specific goal for all to work on. What is one possibility? Posting the Mantra and/or using Mantra concepts. People who have differences can put them aside and support each other in flooded the public with our concepts. Think of it as preparing the intellectual/political battlefield.
Once you post the Mantra, and realize there are only 4 or 5 arguments you ever get back, you can swat them down like flies. It’s fun to humiliate Anti-Whites.
@Sindbad:
I don’t know what source of information you have on the supposed “mixed” status of the Albanians, but if you look at pictures of these people you see that they are not much different from the other peoples of the Balkans. Try Pictures of Albanians, Illyria.proboards.com and see for yourself.
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@Fender and Sunic:
How can anyone justify purging Christianity when it is Christian white nations that purged the “Jews” 109 times in 2000 some years?”
Neither Tom Sunic or anyone else is talking about what Christianity did several centuries ago, they are talking about the state of Christianity today – in the present, right now, Mr. TyronRobertParsons.
Nobody with a brain bigger than a marble can survey the modern day, Cultural Marxist corrupted poison called ‘Christianity’ and deny that it has been transformed into a deadly weapon in the arsenal of our mortal enemies and it is being used to speed along the genocide of White European people.
Frankly, I and many others in the pro-White community, see no possible way to eradicate the Cultural Marxist cancer tumor that now exists and continually grows and spreads within Christianity. This cancer tumor is terminal, Mr.
TyronRobertParsons – and it is killing the patient who is infected with it.
By the way, I find it curious that you will openly admit that jews have been able to destroy entire nations in their past history – at least those which did not awake soon enough and expel them from their borders. So, why is it so difficult for you to accept the equal reality that jews can also destroy such things as the Christian religion, as well? Didn’t Maurice Samuels once boast that ‘We, the Jews – are the destroyers’?
From where I sit, and from how I read the tea leaves – everything that is ‘good’ and ‘moral’ and ‘decent’ and ‘prosperous’ and ‘clean and wholesome’ – all of these things, be they nations, a race of people, a small community, or a religious belief system such as Christianity – they arise the venomous hatred and Satanic ire of jews and this makes them obsessed with subverting, poisoning, corrupting and destroying all that is good and beautiful.
Here’s an example of a new trial balloon that I saw on a news article’s sideline headline this morning while web surfing. The article’s headline read as follows:
“Is sex between brother and sister always wrong?”
See how Satan’s kids operate? A subject as revolting and disgusting and as perverted as incest is now the latest trial balloon that the jews are sending up – and, you can bet the farm that they’ll soon be calling anyone who opposes it a racist, a evil bigot, and intolerant.
And, just as they’ve managed to put the fear of jail time into Christian preachers who recite the passages in the New Testament regarding homosexuality, they’ll do the same thing with the passages that discuss the abhorrent nature of committing incest – and bit by bit, the jews will take the red magic marker that their daddy Satan gave to them and cross out verse by verse of the New Testament until all that remains is the front and back cover.
And we won’t hear a peep out of 99% of the mainstream Christian Churches about any of it, either.
@Jason Speaks: I agree. I was a big proponent of team sports when I was younger, and the one thing that I learned from those years – is how difficult it is to instill a sense of teamwork within a dozen or so of my fellow athletes. Usually, out of a dozen or so guys – I would have a small nucleus of around 5 or 6 who would quickly adopt that team attitude, but I could never get the whole group on board with the same concept.
@mari:
It is clear that the cognitive dissonance program is in full swing at TOO.
Cooky ideas from the likes of Tyson are acceptable in a forum as long as they are rarely repeated and at least attempted to be brought up within the context of the article.
Clearly, Tyson’s goal is to constantly repeat that “we are the real Jews”, over and over again, so as to inflame forums into useless religious byzantine discussions which offer no insight into how we stop the destruction of the Occident.
At the end of the day, the internet is the internet. There’s simply no checks and balances keeping out those with questionable mental health.
It seems that all subjects always lead to this cancer that is christianity. One cannot reject judausm and islam and still continue to embrace christianity.
When that most vile and perfidious philosophy was forced upon the European peoples, jewjesus worship philosophy, it literally set in motion the destruction of Europe.
Until christianity is rejected in its entirety we will never be free of the jew yoke.
As deceived as the muslims are, they are intellectually and spiritually subservient to the jew the way christians are.
Correction: muslims ARE NOT suberservient
@Luke:
FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH:
Madagaskar has its own population and it isn’t for continued Caucasian ignorance to keep putting these people where they have no right to be!
BIROBIJAN/BIROBIZAN PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH!
1948 “A land without people for a people without land” was a blatant lie!
When will you Caucasians learn, when the heck are you going to join the real world, of suffering people?
Some times i wonder about some of you guys..dang!
@Noble Lord: Hey man, you are not entirely without interesting qualities – but how do you feel about affirmative action?
Whenever I see anyone suggesting that the governing system should be Collectivist, I am immediately repulsed.
Communism, Socialism and Fascism have turned out to be the most murderous, evil systems ever devised for killing whole populations of people.
COLLECTIVISM
“COLLECTIVISM: Collectivism is defined as the theory and practice that makes some sort of group rather than the individual the fundamental unit of political, social, and economic concern. In theory, collectivists insist that the claims of groups, associations, or the state must normally supersede the claims of individuals.” — Stephen Grabill and Gregory M. A. Gronbacher
“collectivism … treats society as if it were a super-organism existing over and above its individual members, and which takes the collective in some form (e.g., tribe, race, or state) to be the primary unit of reality and standard of value.” — Prof. Fred D. Miller
“Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group –whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ‘the common good’.” — Ayn Rand,
I have attached a link that defines and compares Collectivism vs. Individualism
http://www.freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm
If the Master Race is not confined, it will always rise to the top of the Collective system and no one will ever be able to stop it.
Collectivism is not a Christian Doctrine. Christianity is all about Individualism. It never matters to God if everyone else in the world is doing it, you are held accountable as a Christian for your words and actions and the only answer that you have when confronted is “No excuse Sir, please forgive me. I will try not to let it happen again.”
Collectivism is always controlled by the few and always ends up for the benefit of the few. Democracy ends up the same way because the people who control the Propaganda control the votes of the “great unwashed masses”. If you think you would not succumb to that in your “WN Collective” I can tell you that history shows that it will happen before the ink on the Founding Documents is dry.
Read the Black Book of Communism and tell me what makes you think your version will be different. People who cannot control themselves delight in controlling others.
@Vlad Writes:
Contrary to popular belief, Jews benefit the most, followed by Caucasian women, Caucasian homosexuals get their share of the pie, then comes the scraps to blacks, Latins, Asians and Orientals.
Caucasian men in the work place in any sector dominate, so statistically it makes no sense to promote Caucasian men because Jews used Heimiwood to flatter the ego and blind them to the scam.
Also, Caucasian men demographically dominate politics and so long as they buy the Jew race game, they lose and lose again.
Silent Affirmative action was in place by the Caucasian man, eg a Jew appartheid structure called segregation and that blue print, aided by KKK terrorism was all the Jew needed and time will do the rest.
If America put Americans first, ie not the race pyramid, then the Jew has nowhere to push his nose.
As a concept, it would not be needed, but as you know US history very well, some people believed a meritocracy was not the order and alas here we are.
Look at it this way; you’re running a night club, plenty guys few girls…not good. Affirmative door policy…girls free before 12, hey presto nice party in your club and i’m coming back next week.
Balance is good and in some cases an imbalance works well too.
The problem isn’t affirmative action, it is how it is perceived and he who controls the media, yada yada yada.
A gun isn’t the problem, but the media influences the jack asses, add a little injustice, a sprinkle of poverty, flood communities with crack, angel dust etc and Wakenhut makes a profit off a killing. (Wakenhut have changed their name for marketting purposes).
A likely war in Europe is not going to have clear cut demarcation lines between “good White Europeans” vs. “evil dark-colored non-Europeans,” as many nationalists in Europe and the USA often anticipate.
Okay, so no rules eh? That’s not a strategic blue print.
Noble Lord,
what a clown you are.
@Dan:
Jews always attack the man, never the argument, so mazel toff to you, or is it lachaim?
What are you posting bix nood babble about black ghetto rats on this tread for?
Wackenhut? WTF?
Europe needs to clear out Africans, both north African and subsaharan
before it’s too late. There is no balance to be achieved. There is no demand for labour in Europe. There is no reason to keep shovelling
maladaptive blacks into an already overcrowded continent. Sunic is wrong to formulate the idea that there could be a good black or brown in Europe at this point. Group instincts will kick in and the various enrichers will vote against the interests of the ethnic white EVERY TIME. We just witnessed the Arab and North African achieve electoral dominance in France. Let’s not allow it to happen elsewhere.
Elizabeth,
Are you an Ayn Rand fan? You talk as if libertarianism has an answer to being overrrun with blacks and browns. Rand was a pernicious thinker. The inability of white men to act in collaboration with one another (without fear of being labelled racist and persecuted by lawyers)
is almost all her fault. Libertarianism isn’t going to slop the brown tide out of the sinking boat.
Libertarianism is the opiate of the race realist white.
@Dan:
Any day soon you’ll be like that Hungarian infiltrator with a touch of the Madeline Albright-itis and accidentally find out you’re Jewish!
No black or brown person signed the Matrich treaty, or the treaty of Lisbon…uhm Caucasian muppets did that!
The domestic and foreign policies of all those countries are controlled by…uhm Caucasians!
Erm, the brightest and best, reeeal high IQ’s and veeeeery brave too!
Admit it, you are not one of the smart one’s are you?.lol
Oh go on, have a wave of your flag, feel good, it’s ok.
Some people get on my nerves also, but the colour and ethnicity of them is the least of my probz.
Shalom
@franz:
“Until christianity is rejected in its entirety we will never be free of the jew yoke.”
Aye. Although he wasn’t a White Nationalist, Nietzsche should be required reading for all WN’s, as his writings are the best antidote to the moral scams that liberals, Christians, marxists, and jews are conning Whites with.
knob Lord,
Tay Sachs isn’t a light related disease. Do you even know what you are talking about with the Dracula reference as well?
Stoker probably was refering to mysterious dark eastern men abroad in The UK at the time, but it’s not an exclusely Jewish reference. It’s also about a man of war who turns his back on God.
“Vathek” and “Frankenstein’s Monster” are more clearly references to Jewish pathologies and behaviour than Dracula.
Sunic,
Europe was doing quite well for itself until the advent of German nationalism. It’s one of the great paradoxes of the modern era. Everything was destroyed in an epic fit between 1914-18. The white supremacist British Empire fatally weakened, the French version of the same bankrupted. The Americans fatally allowed Blacks ever increasing rights and included Jewish interests to grow. The Czar had his Pale Jews under his thumb and the Mongoloids in chains. The white man had it pretty good
until German supremacism in Europe.
To my mind the Reich or Holy Empire really fouled up a great run of white men butchering and dominating various weaker races. Hey presto the Nazi
and Reich end the party! Making white supremacy a bad bad naughty thing. German nationalism in particular appears to have created a disaster
for the rest of the race. The French, Brits, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese were merrily colonizing and displacing blacks and brown when the Germans errupt out of their homeland and butcher other whites.
Fender
I used to eat, breathe, and sleep FWNietzsche in my 20′s and 30′s.
The Antichrist is one of my favorites. At a very young age, 15 or 16, I developed an affinity for uncle Adolph. I had his self portrait on my wall when he was just starting out as an artist.
After reading Nietzsche Contra Wagner I started to dig in the jew problem.
My only major criticism of FWN is that he wrote too many polite things about the jews. He even repeated the French’s praise for Heinrich Heine.
franz (no capital f)
Ayn Rand was a jew named alyssa rosenbaum who came to subvert White Christian Goyim with her BS. Just like her tribesman freud.
She claimed to have changed her name in order to protect her family in jew controlled Russia.
What a lie. Typical jew behavior. Did rosenbaum ever say that bolsheviks were jews? NO.
Did she ever attack the Federal Reserve as jew? As far as I know, no. She remained loyal to her jews. She condoned the theft of Philistine land by her tribe.
I am always amazed at how easily White Christian Gentiles are duped by jews. No wonder jews no longer fear us.
Libertarianism is another jew scam.
@Dan
LOL I can’t stand Ayn Rand. At first I thought she was had some good ideas. I read her books and considered her ideas. I studied Libertarinism. I thought at first it might be okay until I looked into it.
Ayn Rand was a Russian Jewish Atheist. Most Jews that I have known are Atheists. They love the Talmud and Kabbalah but not God it seems. The German and Russian Jews were the founders and implementers of Communism, Socialism, Progressivism and Social Democracy along with Anarchy.
I think the reason a lot of our Neo-conservatives support her ideas and quote them is that they are just acting as the opposition to the Progressives in the Hegelian Dialectic. Her ideas are very shallow but so are most people’s thinking because they really don’t realize what is at stake. No matter who wins in the dialectic, they are all taking us to the same place.
Libertinism does not even hold that you should have fire departments or police or anything that would protect the public in anyway. Unless something has changed since I studied it, I would call it Anarchy. You know, “arm yourself and hope for the best”.
No, the fact is that I am an American and I think that our Constitution and Bill of Rights as originally written were the finest ideas ever put forth on Government.
After reading a lot of other shallow thinkers, Rand included; I read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. I was amazed and awed at the depth of the arguments and the ideas considered before they actually formed our government. I don’t know of any other country in the world that had ever had the opportunity to set up a government from scratch and from what I could see they took it very seriously.
They had the American Revolution and unexpectedly ended up with the opportunity to form their own government. They knew that if they didn’t get it right, they would be right back where they started or worse. They inherited something like 1.5 million slaves and a whole lot of other problems. I think their solutions were the best anyone could ever have done.
Because of the hardship they had been through with immigrating from all over the world, inhabiting a wilderness and turning it into a viable country, and winning a major war; they knew a whole lot more about what this opportunity meant than anyone discussing it in this country today.
It was not an academic exercise, a philosophy or an experiment. It was clearly life and death for them as individuals and for the new nation. It was the one chance that anyone might ever have to create a government that was capable of providing some protections and still allowing people to have the flexibility to become the best they could be as individuals.
The fact that it would be abused was something they considered in detail and made every effort to make it difficult to do so. I think they did a wonderful job of it and I am amazed at how long it has held up considering all of the people inside and outside of our country that have gone to extreme measures to destroy it.
@Luke:
You also said
By the way, I find it curious that you will openly admit that jews have been able to destroy entire nations in their past history – at least those which did not awake soon enough and expel them from their borders. So, why is it so difficult for you to accept the equal reality that jews can also destroy such things as the Christian religion, as well? Didn’t Maurice Samuels once boast that ‘We, the Jews – are the destroyers’?
Answer
The”Jews” can only destroy what is corrupted, they cannot destroy the truth. When they begin their murdering of us white Christians wholesale in America- this act will awaken a slumbering Christianity. It will galvenize believers in Jesus Christ to start acually FOLLOWING Christ’s instructions concerning how to oppose the so called Jews.This will bring about their defeat but unless Christians/whites KNOW who they are in truth and know who the “Jews” are in truth- they will NEVER win. This AGAIN is why I keep explaining who we are and who they are.
The reason why we are dying is because so many buy into this jew lie that selfisness is good. Jew rand-rosenbaum called it objectivism. What jew rand does not tell you is that when it comes to her tribe she is a collectivist to the maximum extreme.
General rule: All jews are liars and subverters. Read marcus eli ravage, maurice samuel……. ,
@franz:
Would you please stop moderating me. There are all these posts from the usual suspects that hate the truth of Christ-scriptures, and don’t know jack about what they actually say. When I try to set the record straight, I get denied the ability to defend them and myself. For the record, censorship is typical of Jewish behavior, not upstanding white-Christian behavior.
Thank you for taking off the moderation.
*That last post was not suppose to be directed at Franz.
So you are a fan of the “proposition nation”?
I think the Southern colonies were mistaken in joining in. It yoked them to insane utopian schemers based in Massachusetts. Spilt milk though.
At TyronRobett
No offense taken.
franz
@bluegrass:
You said
Clearly, Tyson’s goal is to constantly repeat that “we are the real Jews”, over and over again,
Answer
I challenge you to post my words and show everyone here when I have EVER said that!!!!!!!
You can’t because YOU slander!! You LIE!
I have simply put the record straight concerning the REAL ethnic and spiritual makeup of the so called ‘Jews”, showing them as the imposters they are.
At the same time I have set the record straight as to who the white/European-Christians peoples are at the 4 corners of the globe -REAL ethnic Judah and Israel- the 12/13 tribes that sat in the “holyland” having first a Republic style Government and then later a Monarchy. These tribes migrated, flooded into Europe starting around 5-600 AD.
So please, stop being a HYPOCRITE accusing me of something falsely that your presently engaged in which is repeating your SLANDER over and over saying that I said “we are the real Jews” BS!
I have NEVER said that and YOU know it!
@TyronRobetParsons:
Correction
flooded into Europe starting around 5-600 BC.
@ TyronRobett
No offense taken.
franz
@franz:
Ok Franz. Thank you.
Fender said : “1. We shouldn’t tolerate Islamic Whites in Europe the same way we shouldn’t tolerate Marxists or antifa. Marxism and Islam are both historical enemies of Europeans, and to have Whites follow these two religions is insulting and counter-productive.”
Maybe the West can have a rapprochement with Islam. Mohammad had reddish blond hair and creamy white skin. Jews have no power in their realms. They are not internationalists like the Catholic and Anglo-Catholic. They aren’t over tolerant Capitalists like the Calvinist who lets Catholics and Jew mafias move in and take over lands he’s won through conquest solely for pecuniary interests. They are not decadant pimps like Westerners. They aren’t ruled by Jews,women or the pro-immigrationist Catholics. What is not to like about these people? Think of Turkey or Shah era Iran and not the desert arabs.
@Eva:
Oh boy! (in this case ‘girl!’)
Again:
Poles and Germans lived together during centuries until the Poles decided (in Versailles) to rob German cities.
The Xenophobic are the Poles with their ethnic cleansing of Germans.
@sylvie: sylvie, I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. The fact is that probably close to twenty five percent of the German populace, has some Polish in them, probably more. However, it is true that historically Germany had many enemies being smack in the center of Europe, and the Poles had the same problem, with the Russians on the border.
@Dan:
Are you a doctor?
Perhaps the Central Nervous System has nothing to do with the mechanics of the eye, if so a Mia Culpa in order on my part.
A few years ago i was sure, but today havng re checked, i am stumped.
However the Dracula Jew comparison cannot be dismissed so easily.
I was on a site that showed related diseases to Tay Sachs and Photophobia was one and if you look that up you’ll find Heliophobia.
Of course i don’t like to be pulled up on my posts over issues i may have wrong, so again Mia Culpa.
I would not be so confident of saying the Vampire/Dracula/Jew comparisons cannot be made.
I truly didn’t wish to make a link to Jews and Dracula, but i really thought i read it, but today nowt, nada, zip, as if and i am forced to have to say for now, well done on the pull up, i thank you.
Tom Sunic – have you watched the Nick Griffin video on TOO homepage? Are you aware of this massive takeover strategy being run by the zionists?
The situation we are in is defined by being up against a vastly more sophisticated and wealthy enemy, who has had it in for us for a hell of a long time and now sits at the 9th or 10th hour of its completion. That insight has to be at the core of all strategy, because it is REALITY.
Because it is reality, by its nature…the nature of a vastly more sophisticated, more dedicated, more resourced, and more close to its realization…comes with some direct consequences. One of those being…if insight into this is not at the very core of all strategic thinking, then whatever we come up…no matter how clever, or intellectual, or ideologically self-consistent…it will simply be kept marginalized, taken over or shut down.
Excellent article by Dr Sunic.
There is no ” petty” nationalism. There is nationalism. If one combats ” rabid nationalism” ( examples please) let’s qualify what is ” rabid”, remove ” rabid” from the sentence and you have the ” exclude nationalism”. All the nation states in Europe need to regain their sovereignty. All the various , different tribes, races, or wahtever on likes to call the biological unit. They are all Euopeans; but first they need to regain their soon to be extinct homelands. If each nation looks after itself, after its racial hygiene and traditional social structures and identities we would not be where we are today. It can be argued that the froces of internationalism are too powerful to be opposed singlemindedely. The forces of nation state destruction through internationalism and now through the vehicle of flooding Europe and white homelands with hordes from afro-asia is at an advanced stage. The formula to overthrow the master in the Brussels EU has not been found yet. In the meantime the flooding continues relentlessly. Maybe the European has the seed of disintegration in its own genes ? In the 1400 the European races allowed the fall of Constantinople in the hands of the asiatic turks. In 1914 there was an opposrtunity to erradicate the last asiatic power squatting onver southern Europe, and confine it to the dustbin of history. Yet we had a European power, highly civilized Germany making an alliance with the savage , genocidists, turks. At the end of the war, the Europeans allowed the erasure of the last European foothold in Asia Minor, and allowed the turks back into Europe. Now, we have millions of them squatting in northern Europe and southern Europe. We never learn our lessons. We have been scrambled like eggs, it is not going to be easy to unscrambled us.
@salus:
You talk about “we” (Europeans) and all our missed chances in history but that sense of common European identity and solidarity never existed. It still has to be developed. Among WNs it is indeed growing, but among the majority of Europeans it is not. For them it is still the nation vs. the rest of the world. But the world ( “globalism”) is intent on devouring every nation on earth. We better hurry up in developing that sense of common European identity and solidarity against the forces of genocidal globalism.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
As you say, the common identity does seem to be a fairly rapid and common development among WN’s. I have given up all attachments to my national identity. I’m European-descendent now.
I only mention American national identity because I believe despite what people say, America will be the battleground on which all our futures depend. The features of why that battleground looks so secure, and how the enemy is at its strongest there, are all being rolled out across the Western world far more quickly than the WN resistence is growing.
So however you want to look at….as the piece of land that it currently is called America…or as an abstract landscape defining the character of the conflict. That is the turf on which the future of the Europeans will be decided.
Most of the points are well taken. I am glad to se that many folks here are well read. Look. There is no easy solution to the immigration problem. But some strategies might work:
1. Let us get rid of the liberal disease first. Liberalism is not just a free market visible or invisible paw, but also the dictatorship of well being, the curse of the Double (where I am forced to look more attractive and be more rich than the Other), the suicidal belief in economic – purchasing power- progress, and the culture of narcissism – i.e. looking good, sexy and smart 24 hours. This is what the liberal disease means. Its end results are worse than the Red Gulag
2. Once we try to get rid of the liberal mindset – like folks here in East Europe are still coping with the inborn virus of “ homo sovieticus” in their mindset — all other things will start falling into a place. Strengthening of family ties, racial awareness, honor, and of course, the replacement of the Symbol of the Merchant by the symbolism of the Spiritual Man.
3. I do not wish to sound apologetic, but the Catholic Church, ever since the Vatican Council of the mid -60’ has turned into willy-nilly crypto communist pro- Third World immigration lobby.
4. Many fine European friends i.e. English nationalists, still live in their autistic, insular world not realizing what is on the mind of German nationalists. Attempts at making some Euro nationalist alliance has so far failed. Language is also a big problem. Many fine French nationalists like to pontificate about the future of Europe, yet barely stutter a word of German or English. My own “biased” proclivity toward Germany is based on the fact that the German people have been treated like dogs in the study of modern humanities; their history (incl. even their medieval times) since 1919, and especially since 1945, has been hijacked.
No offence meant. Each European people have it own homegrown dose of scum. Tell me about it. Croats and their pettiness, false machismo, and proverbial jealousness! Those who have hurt me-us most in my-our life – have not been Jews, Serbs, or Coloreds, but my-our own white people of my-our gene pool. Fortunately they do not make a majority.
But let us be careful: Under the best possible all -white scenario I cannot rule out future inter- white wars. Ignoring that means being historically illiterate.
Of course, for some personal reasons I like small peoples more, like Catalans, Danes, Flemings, Slovaks and Estonians, you name it. They tend to be more modest, less loud in public, and usually have no choice but learning fast the cultures and language of their burlier European neighbors.
We must start working on our bigger problems and not waste our time on our tribal turf wars. At least the balkanized America, however ugly it looks now, and will look uglier in the near future, still has 2 hundred million homogenous Euro gene pool core populations. She is better positioned than Europe. Let us try to wake up Euro -Americans to their explicit whiteness. To some extent this is what the A3P is doing now. http://a3p.me/ . The American Third Position Party. Tom
@Mickey Meadows:
I’m not so sure that the battle for the future of all Europeans will be decided in America. It is true that the US has the greatest power for bad and thus also for good but it is very difficult to wrestle power from its (Jewish) elite. They control almost totally : 1) politics, 2) finance, 3) media & education.
Besides, America has a “the winner takes it all” system in elections which makes it virtually impossible for a new party to gain power, while European nations have true proportional representation. Thus in Europe new parties can rule or at least become members of a ruling coalition.
I see it as a kind of “asymetric or guerrilla warfare”. If the opponent is too powerful you don’t attack him where he is strongest but were he is weakest. In the white world that means the smaller European nations. They can be liberated by winning elections and since they still are souvereign that means that they are truely liberated. A victory in one nation will inspire others and so on. Finally it will also reach America.
I expect that a confederate movement will happen in the US. Obama is set to win. Romney is not up to the job.
The only answer for the whites in the US is to
splinter off. Southern whites are capable of doing it.
@Tom Sunic:
Europeans hurt oneanother in bloody wars and other competition, but only in parallel to intermarrying, exchanging culture, growing the greatest civilization in human history and in the process inventing prunditites such as Science, the Industrial Revolution, etc etc, and generally being and recognizing that we were, part and parcel of the same European story.
At the moment we have to become one people because there is a targeted genocide upon us by another people who do not distinguish between us. The Americans are the same as the Germans are the same as the British are the same as the Nazis are the same as Romans…to them.
When we prevail, perhaps that new identity will stick. This has happened in the past. Perhaps it’ll have to stick because the world will have become permanently shrunk so as to make that single identity necessary and rational.
On the other hand, perhaps we’ll break up again into our own ethnic identities and get on with our historica preoccupation of furiously competing and in the process killing eachother on a regular basis. It wouldn’t matter either way, just so long as the result was the continuation of what was happening when we were so rudely interupted – building a great civilization and going to the stars.
But Tom Sunic – what comment do you have about the substance in the Nick Griffin presentation? Are you aware of these zionist organizations and their backers which fund and manipulate the European nationalist landscape? What is your personal view about what should be done about this?
I thought that Griffin’s presnetation was great in showing that Zionist neocons are behind the EDL. The basic disagreement that, as in the U.S., the neocons are civic nationalists who only oppose Islam because of their attachment to Israel and at the same time have no problems with African immigration, etc. is exactly right. I didn’t agree with all of it. At times he bent over backwards not to offend Jews. I would like to see evidence on the homosexual cabal he refers to as acting in conjunction with neocons as “middle management.” And his emphasis on Halliburton as the ultimate force behind the EDL seemed unsupported. There were several other things that I thought were improperly analyzed, all having to do with Jewish issues. But in any case, it should certainly give pause to any Englishman inclined to support the EDL.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
I saw albanians in their own lands and they look pretty turkish. Try a visit in Tirana or a search on as many as you can genetic studies on the internet/libraries
To Mickey Meadows
“… no matter how clever, or intellectual, or ideologically self-consistent…it will simply be kept marginalized, taken over or shut down. …”
There is no need for us to be clever, we have the truth on our side. We have to speak out the very truth that we want to live, we must say this again and again, and this will blow away the fog of lies. If we want to be clever, we go on a tricky road and it may be that we will be overwhelmed by tricky lies from the other side. But if we repeat again and again: We want to live, than there is nothing that the other side can say against this. We must repeat this one point again and again. To everything that the other side says, we must answer: We want to live.
The other big advantage that we have: We are many. Roundabout 80 million Germans living in Germany and the neighbour-countries, several hundred million other Europeans and roundabout 200 million ethnic cousins in the USA. Together we are a very large and sound group.
Don’t invade Belgium again, that’s all. Expatriate you Turks by all means.
This reminds me of the statements made by the founders of the EU. They said stuff like: ww2 shows that if we don’t cooperate we will perish.
Seems to me that the EU accellerated and locked in the perishing aspect.
Europeans need ferocious competition in order to thrive. Cooperation and brotherly love allowed the darklings into our midst.
The analysis wasn’t a high standard, there was a lot of misguided or bogus sounding stuff…mostly there I thought to allow him to then not pull punches on the ethnic/religious character of the forces behind the EDL and European battle in general. If that’s the case, then it was good use IMHO.
On a tangeant…I listened to this lady on youtube. Her anger and bitterness…the emotion…really comes across so strongly. She starts talking a couple of minutes in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuldRCHNAYQ&list=PLA3598F052B3BA832&index=3&feature=plcp
Prof McDonald
Nick Griffin and EDL “bend over backwards not to offend jews.”
He sounds like the televangelists.
That is my criticism of Mark Weber of http://www.ihr.org.
He fave a speech to a group of christian zionist teapartiers and never mentioned the jew.
He had plenty to say about illegals.
I wrote to him about that but did not receive a reply.
Everybody is an easy pick except for the jew, according to some WNs.
The EDL is heavily compromised by Jewish interests. However some of this has to do with the peculiarity of London. The heavily black areas overlap with Jewish areas. So the Jews there tend to see themselves as native white. Tower Hamlets for example. It’s a Pakistani/Bengali area these days. Some Jewish areas used to border the area. Many Jews are concentrated in Hendon, Golders Green but also in the East End historically. So some of the EDL is about turf wars. The Krau Twins for example were Jews. They are seen as therire to many whites in London.
@franz:
But Griffin does mention the Jewish element, and hard. The bending over backward part was about establishing he meant organized Jewry not not all Jews. The parts about WASPs and American military-industrial complex bullshit…was probably more of the same…or maybe he believes some of it. Griffin isn’t an intellectual.
But the point is, he does talk about the Jewish situation, and he does it hard.
@Tom Sunic:
First, if I misread any of your statements please accept my apologize in my responses above. Second,AP3 is a great political format for white Americans and I am sure it will gain support. Third, who ever we can get into the white house US Corporation Government must make his first executive order to unincorporate and dissolve the 1871 Corporation. In one move, this would allow the Government structure, nay, the Government structure as de facto under law would have to walk back into one of the two organic and lawful Governments reinhabited (Articles-RuSA) or die completely.
If it is RuSA then I believe things are in place to take care of all illegals and/or those who hold to foreign law source. If the Articles, then I think the Military would have to remove all threats under martial law, if I am not mistaken. Both are inprime and effective positions to take on our mutual problems under law and in status, so either one is a good start.
As said previously, this would put American Europeans (who are mostly still Christian) back in a firm majority status.
Let’s hope this is what happens.
@Dan:
Dan there may be *some* truth to this, but I think you’ve got to watch the video again and note that the jewish involvement is coming directly from established international/american zionist organizations and wealthy individuals. People and groups who are also funding other stuff, that is totally hostile to us. I don’t think the situation has much to do with historical pecularities of Jewish Londoners.
London is shot through with assimilated mischling.
But yeah there is the Brooklyn Rabbi bunch that are heavily involved with the EDL. I know they are quite thick on the ground at EDL events.
@Mickey
Thanks for the clarification.
Nevertheless, I disagree with Mr Griffin in that it is ONLY organized jewry. That is the gentile mistake. Jews are genetically evil. I know that Ted Pike of truthteller.org would disagree but he is a ‘holy man’.
Franklyn is obviously a gatekeeper. I think the best response to him is to just copy the number(s) and tactic(s) listed below and paste it as a response.
http://www.resistingdefamation.org
Silencing Tactics
Silencing tactics appear when one engages in deep discussions and communications about American society and politics. It rapidly becomes apparent that gatekeepers on the Internet and in the newsrooms work to silence those who speak out. There are nine principal silencing tactics, and one rebuttal to them is to name them when they appear in public discourse.
(1) Name-calling is the most important tactic. All slurs are important as silencing tactics.
(2) Trivializing or marginalizing works well as a silencing tactic.
(3) Misrepresentation is an extremely effective tactic to silence people. It is used extensively by gatekeepers in the newsroom and on the Internet simply by restating the speaker’s position incorrectly.
(4) Intimidating or threatening is another effective tactic that can be observed in use by the gatekeepers in the newsroom and on the Internet.
5) A sneering and belittling response to a speaker’s position is another silencing tactic.
(6) Claiming that the speaker is disturbed or a crank is usually an effective silencing tactic. Any but the most calm self-defence can be turned to support the gatekeeper’s charge.
(7) Questioning the speaker’s motives is an effective silencing tactic. It changes the issue in the discourse, and it puts the speaker on the defensive with little recourse.
(8) Gatekeepers frequently label the speaker as strident or shrill, or as somehow engaging in violations of etiquette, as a silencing tactic.
(9) False linkages between a speaker and someone else are also an easy
silencing technique.
Silencing Distinguished From Guilting
Many observers are confused about the goals of the campaign of defamation and the anti-white narrative. Obviously the goals include destabilization, demonization, and demoralization of the diverse white American people, and the theft of a decent sense of self-respect from young white Americans.
But many believe that “guilting” the diverse white Americans is what is going on. After observing the campaign of defamation in operation for almost a quarter of a century, it is the opinion of Resisting Defamation that the primary goal is to silence persons who observe double standards, the anti-white narrative, and the twisting of history, and then want to speak out about these things.
People with eyes open know the difference between shutting up under social or political pressure, on the one hand, and feeling guilty about historical triumphs and crimes committed in other ages and other locations, on the other hand..
Ritual Defamation
This is a concept introduced by Laird Wilcox, a pioneer in the study of defamation, back in 1990. He describes it as a tool in the hands of any advocate for or against any ideology or person. His essay stands the test of time and adequately describes the campaign of defamation embedded in the anti-white narrative.
What Elizabeth quoted above from ResistingDefamation is very important for all here to understand.
Since her Quote didn’t include links, I append here the detail about Ritual Defamation, which is what the enemy is using as a weapon against white peoples everywhere.
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The Practice of Ritual Defamation
How values, opinions and beliefs are
controlled in democratic societies.
Laird Wilcox
1990
Defamation is the destruction or attempted destruction of the reputation, status, character or standing in the community of a person or group of persons by unfair, wrongful, or malicious speech or publication. For the purposes of this essay, the central element is defamation in retaliation for the real or imagined attitudes, opinions or beliefs of the victim, with the intention of silencing or neutralizing his or her influence, and/or making an example of them so as to discourage similar independence and “insensitivity” or non-observance of taboos. It is different in nature and degree from simple criticism or disagreement in that it is aggressive, organized and skillfully applied, often by an organization or representative of a special interest group, and in that it consists of several characteristic elements.
Ritual Defamation is not ritualistic because it follows any prescribed religious or mystical doctrine, nor is it embraced in any particular document or scripture. Rather, it is ritualistic because it follows a predictable, stereotyped pattern which embraces a number of elements, as in a ritual.
The elements of a Ritual Defamation are these:
1. In a ritual defamation the victim must have violated a particular taboo in some way, usually by expressing or identifying with a forbidden attitude, opinion or belief. It is not necessary that he “do” anything about it or undertake any particular course of action, only that he engage in some form of communication or expression.
2. The method of attack in a ritual defamation is to assail the character of the victim, and never to offer more than a perfunctory challenge to the particular attitudes, opinions or beliefs expressed or implied. Character assassination is its primary tool.
3. An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression.
4. The victim is often somebody in the public eye – someone who is vulnerable to public opinion – although perhaps in a very modest way. It could be a schoolteacher, writer, businessman, minor official, or merely an outspoken citizen. Visibility enhances vulnerability to ritual defamation.
5. An attempt, often successful, is made to involve others in the defamation. In the case of a public official, other public officials will be urged to denounce the offender. In the case of a student, other students will be called upon, and so on.
6. In order for a ritual defamation to be effective, the victim must be dehumanized to the extent that he becomes identical with the offending attitude, opinion or belief, and in a manner which distorts it to the point where it appears at its most extreme. For example, a victim who is defamed as a “subversive” will be identified with the worst images of subversion, such as espionage, terrorism or treason. A victim defamed as a “pervert” will be identified with the worst images of perversion, including child molestation and rape. A victim defamed as a “racist” or “anti-Semitic” will be identified with the worst images of racism or anti-Semitism, such as lynchings or gas chambers.
7. Also to be successful, a ritual defamation must bring pressure and humiliation on the victim from every quarter, including family and friends. If the victim has school children, they may be taunted and ridiculed as a consequence of adverse publicity. If they are employed, they may be fired from their job. If the victim belongs to clubs or associations, other members may be urged to expel them.
8. Any explanation the victim may offer, including the claim of being misunderstood, is considered irrelevant. To claim truth as a defense for a politically incorrect value, opinion or belief is interpreted as defiance and only compounds the problem. Ritual defamation is often not necessarily an issue of being wrong or incorrect but rather of “insensitivity” and failing to observe social taboos.
An interesting aspect of ritual defamation as a practice is its universality. It is not specific to any value, opinion or belief or to any group or subculture. It may be used for or against any political, ethnic, national or religious group. It may, for example, by anti-Semites against Jews, or by Jews against anti-Semites; by rightists against leftists or by leftists against rightists, and so on.
The power of ritual defamation lies entirely in its capacity to intimidate and terrorize. It embraces some elements of primitive superstitious belief, as in a “curse” or “hex.” It plays into the subconscious fear most people have of being abandoned or rejected by the tribe or by society and being cut off from social and psychological support systems.
The weakness of ritual defamation lies in its tendency toward overkill and in its obvious maliciousness. Occasionally a ritual defamation will fail because of poor planning and failure to correctly judge the vulnerability of the victim or because its viciousness inadvertently generates sympathy.
It’s important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.
Ok, now that you can identify a Ritual Defamation attack, what can you do about it?
The worst, and least effective response is to try to discuss the issues or appeal to reasoning. Keep in mind that Ritual Defamation seeks to avoid any rational discussion, and it will make sense that “rationality” is useless as a response. So what does work?
An aggressive “attackback” which calls out the Ritual Defamer and instantly puts them in a defensive stance. You don’t “answer” the defamation, you go on the offensive and make THEM answer the questions you pose.
If you don’t know how to do this, see the link in Elizabeth’s comment, or look at what the professionals at Robert Whitaker’s blog are doing.
@Elizabeth:
Am I a “gatekeeper”? So what truth do I try to hide? Jewish power perhaps? Read my comments again and see that I constantly mention it. The only thing you can blame me for is that I deny the silly idea of the Christian Identicists that the peoples of Europe are descendants of the Israelites. This idea can easily be refuted by historical facts and I have tried that several times with Tyron. He is however imprevious to any reason and finally I have called him a fool. In this sense I am indeed guilty of point 6 of your list :
“Claiming that the speaker is disturbed or a crank.”
But what if Tyron is indeed a crank? Keep in mind that besides his CI idea he also firmly believes among others that :
1) The earth is hollow.
2) The earth is no more than 15,000 years old.
3) “Eve” was literally created from the rib of “Adam”.
4) Joshua really did make the earth stop moving for one day.
5) The Vatican controls the US.
3) The N* zis and the Vatican have bases on the moon and Mars.
These are some of the silly things he believes that I remember. There are probably more. I think there is some reason to call him a fool.
You have diligently collected a list of the tactics of a “gatekeeper”, thinking they refer to me, but you can better understand me if you keep in mind that I don’t suffer fools, especially of the repetitive kind as Tyron.
I think fools have no place on an intellectual forum like this. If that makes me a “gatekeeper” so be it.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
Listen F-cko…this is US….Christan or otherwise..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0MF8pwktg&fb_source=message
@Franklyn
Discussion and debate imply disagreement. If there is no disagreement then there is nothing left to say but “I agree.” The purpose of this type of blog is to actually bring up points of disagreement so that people can clarify their own ideas and sharpen their own thinking. Changing someone else’s mind is almost impossible. It is important to learn to change your own mind when you realize you have not considered all the facts in a situation.
Franklyn said:
Am I a “gatekeeper”? So what truth do I try to hide? Jewish power perhaps? Read my comments again and see that I constantly mention it.
The only thing you can blame me for is that I deny the silly idea of the Christian Identicists that the peoples of Europe are descendants of the Israelites.
(2) Trivializing or marginalizing works well as a silencing tactic.
This idea can easily be refuted by historical facts and I have tried that several times with Tyron. He is however imprevious to any reason and finally I have called him a fool. In this sense I am indeed guilty of point 6 of your list : “Claiming that the speaker is disturbed or a crank.”
(1) Name-calling is the most important tactic. All slurs are important as silencing tactics.
(2) Trivializing or marginalizing works well as a silencing tactic.
(3) Misrepresentation is an extremely effective tactic to silence people. It is used extensively by gatekeepers in the newsroom and on the Internet simply by restating the speaker’s position incorrectly.
(5) A sneering and belittling response to a speaker’s position is another silencing tactic.
(6) Claiming that the speaker is disturbed or a crank is usually an effective silencing tactic. Any but the most calm self-defence can be turned to support the gatekeeper’s charge.
But what if Tyron is indeed a crank? Keep in mind that besides his CI idea he also firmly believes among others that :
1) The earth is hollow.
2) The earth is no more than 15,000 years old.
3) “Eve” was literally created from the rib of “Adam”.
4) Joshua really did make the earth stop moving for one day.
5) The Vatican controls the US.
3) The N* zis and the Vatican have bases on the moon and Mars.
These are some of the silly things he believes that I remember. There are probably more. I think there is some reason to call him a fool.
You have diligently collected a list of the tactics of a “gatekeeper”, thinking they refer to me, but you can better understand me if you keep in mind that I don’t suffer fools, especially of the repetitive kind as Tyron.
(1) Name-calling is the most important tactic. All slurs are important as silencing tactics.
(2) Trivializing or marginalizing works well as a silencing tactic.
(3) Misrepresentation is an extremely effective tactic to silence people. It is used extensively by gatekeepers in the newsroom and on the Internet simply by restating the speaker’s position incorrectly.
(5) A sneering and belittling response to a speaker’s position is another silencing tactic.
(6) Claiming that the speaker is disturbed or a crank is usually an effective silencing tactic. Any but the most calm self-defence can be turned to support the gatekeeper’s charge.
I think fools have no place on an intellectual forum like this. If that makes me a “gatekeeper” so be it.
Franklyn, if only people who agree with you are allowed to post on TOQ, then you are acting as a gatekeeper as far as I can see.
@Elizabeth:
OK, let’s say I am a “vertical gatekeeper”, not a “horizontal gatekeeper”, which means that I wouldn’t exclude disagreements if only they are on a sufficient high intellectual level. Alas for our friend Tyron, that would exclude endless discussions about the hollow earth, Eve’s creation from Adam’s rib or the descendance of Europeans from the Israelites. You seem not to accept that such a thing as idiots really exist.
In the last 2,000 years, Christians have been murdered by non-believers who have taken it upon themselves to judge that Christians do not have the right to exist. Hundreds of millions of Christians were killed in the last century and more are being killed every day in this one.
As a Christian, I understand clearly that no one can become a Christian because someone else decides they should. Christians do not breed Christians. It is a personal conviction and complete change of mind and heart – a new birth. It can happen to anyone at any time and it really does not matter what their race is. Christians are at all different levels of society and education and in their walk with Christ.
I am on the TOQ site because I am very concerned about white genocide in America. I am interested in the ideas being discussed. I am hoping that genocide can be prevented.
In this country, the majority of people are white and they are Christian at least nominally. There are also a large number of Christians of other races so we are probably taking about 200,000,000 Christians. It stands to reason that more white Christians will be dying since there are at least 160 million white ones and only 1.3 million atheists plus 38 million or so agnostics of all races.
If we reduce the number of whites to only the intellectuals who meet your standards; then how many do you think that will leave? Check your Bell Curve.
Christians have to learn to recognize the enemy, stand up for themselves and speak up while they still can or simply line up for the slaughter with the rest of the whites.
I personally think that this kind of forum should help them to understand what they are up against and discuss ways of dealing with it. Gatekeepers are an important part of that education. I was only sharing a tool with them. If they can’t stand up here, then where?
I’ve heard this argument that international capitalism is responsible for the immigration invasion of Europe to gain access to cheap labor. I really do not think so. A more probable explanation is the European welfare state. People used to have lots of children to care for them in old age. With the welfare state to take care of them instead, Europeans stopped reproducing. The European governments then imported millions of Third Worlders to take the place of the babies Europeans were no longer having. And, of course, the Jews love it and encourage it for obvious reasons.
Thus, Europeans dug their own grave with their cradle to grave welfare state. I enjoy Tom Sunic’s writings but sometimes I think he needs to get over his European socialist point of view.
@Franklin Ryckaert:
You said
Am I a “gatekeeper”? So what truth do I try to hide? Jewish power perhaps?
Answer
You protect Jewish power which lies in controlling the narrative. You SHARE the same narrative with the “Jews” and you use slanders and demonizations to marginalize, attempting to silence anyone who falls out of line with or dares question this narrative.
Anyone who does not believe in Macro Evolution you will attack with slanders and childish name calling.
Anyone who does not believe that the “Jews” are ethnically and spiritually Judah and Israel of the bible, you will attack without mercy using the same Jew tactics explained above.
The most dangerous thing that could EVER happen to the “Jews” is if Creation believing white Christians awaken in mass knowing/believing that the land of “Israel” is really their land; that it is THEY who are the real Semites from Judah/Israel and that the “Jews” are imposters.
Why would any racially awakened white person want to obstruct such an awakening when Christian whites make up the majority numbers of whites worldwide?
Chew on that for a while…..
Fender: “Cheap labor has nothing to do with third world immigration into Europe. (…) these immigrants aren’t smart enough to do that kind of work; that’s why 90% of these people are unemployed.”
Exactly. The “capitalists” can’t be blamed for importing immigrants who are unable to work and are destroying the economy.
John hearns: “Business is competitive. If you bring in cheap labor for your business then you bring cheap labor for your competition. (…) It makes no sense to blame cheap labor , in fact it helps the real culprits.”
I totally agree.
For example, we are told that some agribusiness managers put pressure on the administration to send in more immigrants. Maybe they do. But why are they not instead lobbying the administration to get tax breaks and government subsidies that will help them hire more White people? They could also ask for government subsidized loans to invest in new machines. It would be much cheaper for White society to subsidize the agribusiness and their White employees than to let millions of destructive third-world immigrants into the country. The cheap labor explanation doesn’t make any sense. It cannot be in the interest of the capital owners to turn White countries into the third-world.
Tom Sunic: “the marriage between the left-winger and big business. The European Left is in favor of mass immigration”
I think Jewish activists are the main reason for that. In fact, the left is no longer the left. It is now a Jewish-led, anti-European “left”. Meanwhile, the institutional right has also become the property of Jews.
the Church also bears a heavy responsibility for the decomposing situation of the European nations, especially with its ecumenical parlance of “help thy neighbor.”
In the past, religious elites were supposed to guide the masses. But I think for a long time, they have been following the masses. In fact, we are being led by lemmings. Two centuries ago, people were very conservative, and the Church was supposed to be the guardian of the social order. In fact, the Church may have been simply expressing the common worldview. Gradually, the traditional peasant mindset has been supplanted by the worldview of the government, of the city elites, and of the media. For example, in the first world war, most bishops said nothing against the slaughter of millions of young men. They were not leaders at all. Today, the bishops are repeating whatever they read in Jewish newspapers. The church no longer cares about the meaning of life. They have become materialistic. They are only interested in quantity, no longer in quality. Christianity is no longer what it used to be.
“The bogus self-conception of today’s ruling class in the EU about the “end of history” reminds me of the mindset of the political class in former Communist East Germany and the former communist Yugoslavia-just before their collapse.”
In the East, the Jews were no longer in power. The communist governments had no reason to perpetuate an absurd system. But the Jews are still firmly in control in the West. The policy of mass immigration is not a noble experience that failed. I think Jewish activists are mainly responsible for that disaster and they never had our best interests in mind. They still support mass immigration. By contrast, White people have always been against it.
“The course of history is always open. We should be careful with predictions about apocalyptic endtimes awaiting the European peoples. History is not pre-programmed”
I think that is the best part of the article !
Re: the nation-state
That notion needs to be defined before any discussion. In Breton separatist circles, I used to hear a lot of criticism about the French nation-state. The French nation-state is an artificial state that pretends to be a nation. Everyone whether he is Breton, Alsatian, African, or really French, is told to accept his new identity as a French citizen (actually, as a mere subject). But I would see nothing wrong with the Breton nation having its own state. It’s best if a state coincides with a nation.
“Centralism had always played a significant role in the development of the French imperial idea-which later gave birth to modern xenophobic nation-states and even worse, midwifed recently the strange centralistic structure, known as the EU. This was never the case with the idea of the Reich”
Breton separatists used to hope that the European Union would eventually make France into a more decentralized and more democratic country, with collective rights for the Bretons. But it never happened. I still think that a united Europe could be useful in that way. But so far, the European Union has been recycling the “human rights” literature churned out by the Jewish CRIF organization. Their political priority is to facilitate immigration from Africa.
For example, Jean Kahn used to be the chairman of the CRIF, an umbrella organization for Jews living in France. Then, he became the chairman of the European Union’s so-called “Kahn commission”, which later became the “European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia”, and then, the Fundamental Rights Agency. By the way, all of that was rejected by French voters in the 2005 referendum about the EU constitutional treaty. To no avail.
Well, it looks like the plow is turning into the sword here.
I wonder how they got the grenade.
Assailants throw grenade into Paris kosher store
By JTA
09/19/2012 18:44
Explosion at kosher grocery shop in Sarcelles, known as “Little Jerusalem,” injures one shopper, damages store.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=285553
@Mark
Reports now say that it was only a plaster grenade. My theory is that it was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad testing one of his secret WMDs.