White Pathology: Special issue of The Occidental Quarterly

There will be a special issue on White pathology for the Spring issue of The Occidental Quarterly. Deadline will be January 15, 2013. Whatever blame for our situation that we place on others, the bottom line is that we are allowing the unfolding disaster to happen. It is unprecedented for a civilization to voluntarily cede political and cultural hegemony to others, particularly when so many of these people harbor hatreds and resentments toward our people and our culture.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of possible topics. (Indeed, quite a bit has been appeared on TOO in the category of “White pathology/guilt [see here and here]). I suggest running your ideas past me before starting on a paper. Please send inquiries to me at editors@theoccidentalobserver.net.

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310 Comments to "White Pathology: Special issue of The Occidental Quarterly"

  1. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    November 4, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t read all 313 comments above, so maybe someone suggested this small pathology — if such it be: A certain number of Whites may believe that this world is of little importance compared to the Afterlife they are dreaming of, and so accept disorder and chaos (sometimes even welcoming these as “signs of the End”) as essentially unimportant because they are selfish and do not care about future generations, but only think of their own adventures in the next world.

  2. November 4, 2012 - 6:53 am | Permalink

    My Dead America is a novel about the final rebellion of mankind against Zionists.

  3. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    October 25, 2012 - 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Strange beliefs like these seem peculiarly pathological to me:

    The Danger of Christian Zionism 1/3

  4. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    October 25, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: Very interesting article.

  5. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    October 24, 2012 - 8:35 pm | Permalink

    I do not know what a psychologist would say, but I suspect that a majority of people are not men and women of reason. I believe that most human beings use their thinking powers to justify their personal wishes. That is the pathology. It is not the exotic desire, but the justification of it even when it harms the race. Purely selfish desire is what I’m speaking of. This extends to material things as well, such as the aquisition of private wealth in a manner that harms the race — often deliberately making a profit from the suffering and misery of others, when such suffering and misery is deliberately place upon them, unnecessarily, and this is rationalized by those who are at fault. The bottom line is that many Whites love themselves — self-love — more than all other things in this world, and therefore have neither compassion nor respect for their race or heritage.

  6. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    October 24, 2012 - 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Surely a considerable number of Whites find non-Whites “exotic” and secretly, if not openly, fantasize about sex relations and/or marriage with them. Whether a person is a Liberal or a Conservative (in a racial sense), it has been said, ultimately depends upon the person’s TASTES.

    I suspect that far too many Whites are unable to find satisfaction in loving members of their own race. AND at the other extreme, there are Whites who are not pleased with and who reject all Whites outside of their own immediate national origins — but this is not a matter of lust, but of national pride carried to an extreme.

  7. Adeimantus's Gravatar Adeimantus
    October 24, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    How about the obvious? LUST. One of the seven deadly sins.

    Who knows what percentage of the White Population regularly lusts after non-Whites, and, for this reason, cannot be patriotic in a racial sense? Would it not border on hyprocisy? I’m guessing it’s at least 20% — and suspecting that it’s much, much higher.

  8. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 23, 2012 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    @francis:

    Hi Francis

    I think prayer can be a good thing.

    Anyway, thanks for raising the issue.

  9. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 23, 2012 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @francis:

    You’ll grind your knees to dust kneeling and praying. It won’t do anything. There’s no external agent that’s going to do anything for us. At least, we can’t simply assume that there is.

  10. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    October 23, 2012 - 7:11 pm | Permalink

    @Barkingmad:
    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 23, 2012 - 4:54 pm | Permalink

    @francis:
    Well, in order for God to hear our prayers, he must exist in the first place.
    But assuming that he really exists, how are you sure that his real name is not “Allah” and that he wants a Muslim Europe, full of Arabs?
    Or that his real name is “Dios” and that he wants a Catholic America full of Hispanics? Why would “God” be on our ethnic side?

  12. francis's Gravatar francis
    October 23, 2012 - 2:20 am | Permalink

    Not once since I started reading this great TOO site have I read anyone suggest that we pray…that’s right get on your miserable knees and ask GOD to intervene on our behalf!
    ask him to restore a future for our children….ask for his protection against the great evil that surrounds us; ask for his protection for us and for our little ones, pray, pray,and never stop praying. How is that for a start?

  13. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 17, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Alice, you write such good comments.

    And sometimes I take it for granted.

    Sometimes I sort of brush aside some really great writing and focus on the small amount that I disagree with.

    I get in that mode. Which comes from a place of concern or love, I think.

    Maybe most of the comments on this site come from that place, even if they don’t always appear that way.

    Anyway, I just wanted to acknowledge that sometimes I don’t give your comments the amount of attention or respect they deserve.

    You haven’t said or suggested anything like that. It’s something that I was thinking about, and wanted to express.

  14. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 17, 2012 - 10:45 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    I’m probably writing this comment here for myself more than anyone else.

    I was thinking about what you wrote in this comment @Filthy Goyim

    “Gothcha. It’s so hard to communicate sarcasm accurately online, I know.”

    My inner perfectionist wants to clarify that I’m not sure my remark was supposed to be sarcastic.

    I wrote:

    Maybe White people are too “enlightened” for their own good.

    I can definitely see how that might be interpreted as sarcasm. And maybe it is.

    But when I wrote it, I don’t think I was trying to be sarcastic.

    Anyway, I apologize if this comment / clarification is unnecessary or unwanted.

    It’s not really written just for you, Amy, or anyone else. Like I said, maybe I’m writing it for myself.

  15. Clytemnestra's Gravatar Clytemnestra
    October 17, 2012 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    “Genetic studies have shown that today’s Jews do in fact descend from the ancient Judeans. Even if they didn’t it’s completely immaterial, as they’re a problem for us no matter what their origins are.

    I believe there’s a conflict between WN and CC because CC’s tend to focus more on the religious and moral arguments against jews when WN’s prefer to stick to race and evolutionary science. When jews successfully defend against attacks by CC’s it makes the whole movement look bad; and yes, Christians have fought a losing war against jews for 2,000 years now. ”

    The reason why White Christians have fought a losing war against the Jews for 2,000 years is because, unlike the Jews, they have no strong sense of racial identity.

    The Cohen DNA results totally validated my suspicion that the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe were those pesky long-lost Israelites that the Assyrians dispersed from Israel.

    To me, the Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus, with his audacious chutzpah, was only the first of a long line of Jews to tamper with Christianity. The first stumbling drop of poison he injected into the Japhethite mindstream was the idiotic notion that they were Israelites.

    This subconscious belief has been responsible for the crazy pendulum ride Europeans take swinging wildly, to and fro, from rabid Antisemitism to a servile, fawning obsequious Philosemitism; the latest version being Nazism followed by Holocastianity.

    If White Europeans, particularly White European Christians, embraced a strong Japhethite identity, there would be no sense of betrayal and outrage when “our fellow Semites,” the Jews pull their usual nonsense. A strong Japhethite identity would put an end to the position of always reacting to Semitic Shenanigans, because we would, as Japhethites, have a strong sense of wariness and watchfulness for alien antics. Instead of lashing out angrily, we’d coolly, calmly and consistently act … not Antisemitically OR Philosemitically but ASEMITICALLY … in our own best interests.

    Assuming we all survive the inevitable collapse of the American Empire, I think it is going to be an interesting and enlightening show once China takes our place as the new Jewish host. There is non of this Lost Israelites subtext to the ancient religions of a China whose leadership has embraced atheism.

    Thanks to the information age we live in, the Chinese have had a front row seat to the Franklin School’s Culture of Critique inflicted on the West. They must know that they are next on the hit parade, so I imagine that they are studying things very closely.

    I wonder how the Jews are going to fare among a people with such a strong ethnocentric identity of their own? Not as well s they did in the West, I suspect.

  16. October 16, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    I know that the trauma model is very strong meat indeed. But those who might be interested in a comparatively softer intro to it might watch a film that Spielberg directed and Kubrick produced: Artificial Intelligence (complete in YouTube here).

  17. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 16, 2012 - 10:34 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi again, Alice

    “For reasons no one fully understands, some people cannot do so. They do need help and support.”

    I definitely agree that we need help and support. But I don’t know if we agree on what exactly those things mean.

    Having a healthy social network, especially a supportive family, is very important. And a wise mentor also seems like a great thing.

    But since you mentioned suicide, I’ve read that some “medications” make people more likely to kill themselves.

    Not to mention all the other side effects.

    It’s not easy discussing/debating these things with others, especially when emotionally-charged words like “abuse” and “victim” are used. You’ve been great here.

  18. October 16, 2012 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Thanks Alice. You wouldn’t believe the incredible level of pain that a child who is victimized by both of their parents, plus a shrink hired by them, is obliged to endure. It literally drives you mad.

    Perhaps you know that a famed Swiss author, Alice Miller (who died a couple of years ago), said that not most but the hundred percent of people who loose their minds were also horrible abused by their biological parents or foster parents.

    The best introductory book to this subject is not one by Miller but by an American author, John Modrow, How to Become a Schizophrenic: The Case Against Biological Psychiatry.

    Highly recommended, even though I never had a schizo breakdown.

  19. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 16, 2012 - 8:02 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    I am very sorry that you have seen so much evil. I can certainly understand your passion on the issue. I sincerely hope that nothing I wrote added to your pain. I never meant to suggest that you or anyone who has truly suffered does not have the right to be as outraged as you are.

    I was merely trying to protect other innocent victims. That fact that your life took this route does not mean that everyone who has problems has endured similar abuse.

  20. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 16, 2012 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Hi Richard, Years ago I have a very wise prof for a course in abnormal psychology. He opened the course by pointing out that all of us experience everything that the craziest person on earth does. It is merely a question of frequency, endurance and intensity. As I have aged, I have added appropriateness to the list. By that, I mean that there most dreadful and powerful emotions can be right and proper in the right circumstances.

    None of this is really news. The Freudian were very good at pretending that he had some brilliant new insight. In fact, those things he was even close on are very old. Both the pagans and Christian theologians spent a lot of time on these issues. Perhaps Pierre can recommend a good text. Sometimes it is easier to grasp concepts in a new way precisely because the language used is not the same old psychobabble.

    Healthy societies recognize that human nature is prone to failings and encourages and supports social structures which help people to stay on the the light side as well as recognize those times when people simply must be given time, room and sympathy, such as formal mourning periods. Our culture finds a way to make a buck on every weakness and expects us to be back at work with a smile on our face the day after the funeral. It is not at all surprising that we have so many unhappy, confused people.

    I would simply like to say that for some people, perhaps those who are feeling suicidal, help should be sought. It is the goal for all of us to rise above our baser feelings. All of your advice sounds very wise. For reasons no one fully understands, some people cannot do so. They do need help and support.

  21. October 16, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Than you for sharing, Richard. I really appreciate.

    I’ve also confessed a bit of my previous life here. If the subject is of some interest to you, you may see also the list of “Important posts” in Fallen Leaves, a blog that is linked at the top of WDH (for instance, you might take a look at the article “On depression”).

  22. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 16, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Since people are discussing mental issues, I figure it’s okay if I share something that I think others might find valuable.

    I used to have serious mental problems. But I’m so much better now. (I’m still far from perfect, but the amount of improvement has been amazing.)

    Drugs did not help; they only added to my problems, in more than one way.

    I think people should try to find the real cause of their mental problems (which, in my opinion, is probably not located in the physical brain) and then take steps to improve their condition.

    Many of us here in America live in a sick, selfish, chaotic society and much of our culture is toxic. So there is a ton of suffering.

    At best, drugs provide temporary relief. I think a lot of people want a “quick fix” and drug companies are eager to sell them something. They make billions of dollars doing this. (I think alcohol companies also take advantage of people’s suffering.)

    My improvement did not happen all at once, overnight. I’m still improving. It has been a steady process over a few years, and it hasn’t always been easy.

    I think back on the person I was five years ago, and it’s like I’m new. If I look back on the person I was even just a few months ago, I notice that I’ve made a significant amount of progress.

    When a person experiences suffering, it’s often a sign that something is wrong with his own life or his way of thinking or the world around him. It doesn’t mean he should try to numb his pain by using “medication”. Instead, he should try to fix himself and/or the society he lives in.

    I remember reading a news article that highlighted a study which suggested that so-called anti-depressants are not really more effective than placebos.

    Even if they do work, that doesn’t mean people should use them. It’s sort of like cheating. And I don’t think they truly help anyone in the long run.

    Here are some things that helped me. I’m not sure the order matters much.

    Chastity of body and mind; Sobriety; Being careful and limiting the amount and kind of entertainment that I take in; Spending some time outdoors, getting safe amounts of sunbathing; Christianity; Learning to accept suffering; Practical forgiveness; Realizing how much I project my own qualities, good and bad, onto other people; Walking; Being honest with myself, in my thoughts; Being pro-White.

  23. October 16, 2012 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:

    In September of 1970 during a hearing called Involvement in the Federal Use of Behavior Modification Drugs on Grammar School Children, Dr. Ronald Lipman of the government agency Food and Drug Administration (FDA) testified: “Hyperkinesis is something that brings the child into conflict with his parents, peers, and teachers.” The hearing was the first step of what may be called the corporate design of diseases.

    Seventeen years later, in 1987, psychiatrists voted in favor of the diagnosis ADHD, the new name for hyperkinesis and a list of previously normal behaviors among children to now be considered pathological, and included the label in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. As a result, the following year, half a million children worldwide were diagnosed with the “disorder” as a preliminary step to administer them licit drugs.

  24. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 16, 2012 - 9:09 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Not too surprisingly, I am inclined to agree with you. I suspect that many boys diagnoses with ADD are really being diagnosed with not being girls, well behaved and compliant. However, I do wonder about the effect of Sesame Street. I wonder if the brain is being programmed when babies are parked in front of the tube?

  25. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 16, 2012 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes: We see eye to eye on this matter as on so many others. I look forward (i.e., with a certain amused dread) to the day when federal government stooges with too much time on their hands decide that runny noses are a national plague that needs immediate addressing lest imported children or other nonwhite children get left behind in an unforgiving, white-dominated scholastic environment.

    May I propose an initialism for this new health crisis? RFD, for rhino-flow disorder. I eagerly await an all-channel Obamanoid broadcast on this threat to our nation’s future. Nothing short of a 247 billion dollar expenditure in the program’s first year will suffice to underline the gravity of the disease. Part of the money will be targeted, of course, at training blacks, Hispanics, and Third World immigrants to fight this curse in their own communities. An even larger part will go toward hiring friends and relatives of Abe Foxman and Norman Podhoretz to supervise training and fund disbursement. After all, only America’s best (Jewish) minds could ever handle the logistics of such an ambitious program.

  26. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    October 16, 2012 - 1:06 am | Permalink

    A person in my Sunday School class is an MD who went to Southwestern Medical School in Dallas. The senior class of that med school puts out a book each year to raise funds for something or another, with the title of the book being, “A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure.” An obvious parody of surgeons, it just reinforces the old canard said about carpenters seeing everything as a nail.
    I’m good friends with a psychologist who I see eye to eye with on most subjects, but he claims he has ADD and does a booming practice with boys referred to him when suspected of ADD. I’ve told him many times that I think ADD is BS, but he just looks at me like I’m crazy, then points out all his symptoms. I ask him to explain how it is possible that no one had ADD when I was a kid, but now all their children/grandchildren do?
    i think it was because we used to wear ourselves out on the playground, and we were not told that everyday boy traits were bad and something to be ashamed of that we thrived on activity, and if we acted up in class, the teachers thought the playtime just needed to be a little rougher to sap our energy.
    i wonder how many men who work with their hands have ADD?

  27. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 15, 2012 - 11:11 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Thanks for the reply and clarification, Amy.

  28. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 8:46 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    Who?

    Jay Joseph. BTW, his so called “twin and adoption studies” that he attempted to debunk methodologies used to establish genetic contributions is particularly discrediting as the exact same “study” was used to establish genetic theories years before.
    But, hell, I am the first to admit that the entire field of both psychiatry and psychology have been maliciously manipulated and used to INFLICT mental and physical damage, and no matter how confident we may be in our own “experts”, all we really have is our own mind to discern the truth from the lies. And in actuality, the time we use on discussing issues like these could be used on more important ones such as discovering how to awaken our race to the atrocities we are suffering. Granted, mental illness is at the root of their deep sleep, I don’t think that genetics are the cause for their current inability to awaken. Do you?

    You wrote:
    “Psychopathology” is not “psychopathy”. If you use Venn Diagrams, the latter sphere lies within the much larger one of psychopathology.”

    My apologies. I understand this, I suppose I should really slooow down. I am so excited to have found this site and people who share the goal to preserve our people!

    You wrote:
    “And btw I don’t deny the existence of Evil. See my article about Scott Peck in my Fallen Leaves blog.’

    Will do.

  29. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 7:53 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    You wrote:
    “I was using the word “enlightened” the way our modern culture often uses it — which means to support social trends and movements such as feminism and “gay” “rights” and multiculturalism.”

    Gothcha. It’s so hard to communicate sarcasm accurately online, I know. I often times suspect I come off as an ass instead of clever, myself. No worries.

    You wrote:
    “You don’t think Islam’s rejection of feminism has helped protect them from Jews?”
    Oh, of course. But I see feminism as but a mere tool, one of countless tools, used by satanic forces to “kill, steal, and destroy” societies. One can’t possibly believe feminism is capable of the destruction we see worldwide in every sense of the word- physically, racially, morally, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, socially, economically, and likely more ways that escape my mind! Feminism is a nasty germ but it lacks the power to cause such destruction. However, the “prince of the power of the air” the “ruler of this world” does. [ Ephesians 2:2, John 12:31]

    You wrote:
    “I think women are more susceptible to Jewish ideas and social agendas, because those ideas / agendas play on people’s emotions.”

    I agree very much so. Apparently the “ruler of this world” I just mentioned knows this too, as he chose to corrupt Eve first, knowing she’d be easier to deceive than Adam.
    if you are not one for spiritual history, we find that simply experience and observation teaches us that we ladies are naturally more emotional and this function is critical in child rearing and nurturing. Men are naturally more rational than we are in cases where emotions effect of ability to think analytically. While these normal and healthy differences are harmonious and healthy together in a family unit, insidious forces have used them against us, both man and woman.

  30. October 15, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    in the same post cite the work of a “jewish” contributor of the, and I quote, “most financed and influential journal in worldwide psychiatry”

    Who?

    If you believe psychopathology is a mere mental disorder, you are woefully misinformed. The psychopath alone is intra-species predator.

    “Psychopathology” is not “psychopathy”. If you use Venn Diagrams, the latter sphere lies within the much larger one of psychopathology.

    And btw I don’t deny the existence of Evil. See my article about Scott Peck in my Fallen Leaves blog.

  31. October 15, 2012 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    “And your comments seem to come from a place of self-transcendent love.”

    Thank you so much for this very kind remark, Richard.

  32. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    Chechar, you make MY brain hurt ;)
    You wrote:
    “The genetic claims of psychopathology have been convincingly refuted, among others, by Jay Joseph, one of the contributors to the journal I mentioned above, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry.”
    —————
    Here we go again. You state, and rightly so, that we should disregard mainstream propaganda spread regarding psychiatry yet in the same post cite the work of a “jewish” contributor of the, and I quote, “most financed and influential journal in worldwide psychiatry. Your argument is illogical and therefore, in my opinion, your source doesn’t merit review.
    I know almost nothing of mental illness or disorders, but I have and continue to intensely psychopathology, studying the work, not of “contributors of the most financed and influential journal worldwide” but Polish psychologist Andrew M. Lobaczewsk. He studied psychology at Yagiello-nian University in Cracow, while living under “Communist” rule which turned his attention to the matters of psychopathology and the role of psychopathic people in such a governmental system. He was not the first such researcher who followed a similar path, nor the last- I am proof of that myself, as I found him after researching the phenomenon independently.
    The work of Lobaczewski along with a secret group of scientists was destroyed by the Red security authorities and only after escaping to America did he succeeded in accomplishing the work and putting it down on paper.
    Not exactly the stuff Nightline is made of.

    You wrote
    “If you believe in the claims of biological psychiatry you have been brainwashed by the media. It is that simple.”

    If you believe psychopathology is a mere mental disorder, you are woefully misinformed. The psychopath alone is intra-species predator. They are the only known species that is driven by the desire for pleasure obtained by victimizing and sadistically traumatizing it’s own kind. Let that sink in.
    And I will save everyone here the gruesome details, but they must progressively sink to deeper levels of depravity to achieve this pleasure with age and as society grows more depraved. (due to their presence) We literally can not even conceive of the insidious depths of depravity they delight in wollering in while forcing innocents to participate.
    To call this animal anything less than demonic and evil is an outrage. You may try and deny the existence of pure evil dismissing living breathing specimens as “pseudoscience” because spirituality can not be tested in a lab, or perhaps because the “most financed and influential journal in worldwide psychiatry” disagrees it exists, but the proof is literally seen all around us. Turn on your TV.

  33. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 15, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    “Too enlightened for our own good? Nonsense. Literally. The reason Muslims have been almost impossible to infiltrate is due to their legalistic refusal to allow their religion to be tainted by “jews”. Equally important is their ability to discern satanic/demonic presence and influence. As Americans literally swim in satanism nationwide, we even Christians) have grown dim witted and half blind to it. I am not Islamic, but I respect their faith and see them as fellow children of God.”

    I should have written:

    Maybe White people are too “enlightened” for their own good.

    The reason I didn’t include quotation marks around the word “enlightened” in my original comment (here @Richard) is because I thought it might carry a somewhat nasty tone or something like that.

    Of course, I didn’t mean to suggest that genuine enlightenment has harmed White people.

    I was using the word “enlightened” the way our modern culture often uses it — which means to support social trends and movements such as feminism and “gay” “rights” and multiculturalism.

    Regarding the rest of your reply:

    You don’t think Islam’s rejection of feminism has helped protect them from Jews?

    I think women are more susceptible to Jewish ideas and social agendas, because those ideas / agendas play on people’s emotions.

    Maybe that’s not true. I haven’t given it enough thought.

  34. rhondda's Gravatar rhondda
    October 15, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Dear Chechar:
    Please avail yourself of “Political Ponerology” by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes. Your literary allusions are tiresome. So is your despair. He lived through communist Poland. You had bad parents.

  35. October 15, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:

    (I am reposting again without the link because my previous post got stuck in the spam filter.)

    Nonsense. Above I linked my blog in Spanish critical of psychiatry. There’s a link in that blog to my book in Spanish debunking Scientology.

    Scientology’s engram doctrine has nothing to do with the Trauma Model of Mental Disorders (have you read the Wikipedia article under that title?). In fact, full-time, professional Scientologists have freaked out when I try to explain to them the trauma model, insofar as they never, ever blame parents.

    Scientology’s criticism of psychiatry is plagued with sheer lunacy, like believing that psychiatrists are behind the Bosnia wars, 9/11 and even N*zism and Communism. Honest criticism of psychiatry on the other hand dates as far back as Daniel Defoe, the famous author of Robinson Crusoe, as I also said above.

  36. October 15, 2012 - 6:10 pm | Permalink

    @TabuLa Raza:

    Please don’t write rubbish. Above I linked my blog in Spanish critical of psychiatry. There’s a link in that blog to my book in Spanish debunking Scientology.

    Scientology’s engram doctrine has nothing to do with the Trauma Model of Mental Disorders (have you read the Wikipedia article under that title?). In fact, full-time, professional Scientologists have freaked out when I try to explain to them the trauma model, insofar as they never, ever blame parents.

    Scientology’s criticism of psychiatry is plagued with sheer lunacy, like believing that psychiatrists are behind the Bosnia wars, 9/11 and even Nazism and Communism. Honest criticism of psychiatry on the other hand dates as far back as Daniel Defoe, the famous author of Robinson Crusoe, as I also said above.

  37. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 15, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    The biggest pusher of the trauma theory, and the no chemical imbalance theory, is Scientology. The trauma they call an “engram”, which later in life becomes associated with emotional pain. This is all locked up in the “reactive mind.” Dianetic counseling moves information from the reactive mind to the analytical mind. This is done until a state called “clear” is achieved. Then one can try to become an OT (Operating Thetan- like Chechar).

  38. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 15, 2012 - 5:05 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: Thanks for your response, Chechar. It doesn’t matter which came first. If we can do something helpful about the situation, then let’s go ahead. I do recall my dad telling us kids to not worry about who or what is “to blame”.

  39. October 15, 2012 - 3:06 pm | Permalink

    @Barkingmad:

    Maybe, but the crux is what was before, the chicken or the egg.

  40. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 15, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s not a matter of messed up brain chemicals vs horrible upbringing. Obviously, to me anyway, the latter will bring about the former.

  41. October 15, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    It is true that biopsychiatrists have no proof for their central hypothesis. But when you start to become familiar with the horrendous tales from the victims of this later group of “extremely abusive families” and feel a little empathy for them (as I’ve done in real life), an explanatory picture starts to emerge.

    I usually don’t recommend Hollywood films, but the advantage of Scott Hicks’ Shine is that it gives the viewers a glimpse of the competing, schizophrenogenic hypothesis in only two hours of healthy entertaining.

  42. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    There is no purpose in continuing this discussion. I have a theory and so do you. Neither of us has proof.

  43. October 15, 2012 - 11:22 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Some people abuse children. Those children react in different ways – some survive, damaged but essentially able to cope with life. If some subsequently become schizophrenic I am inclined to think that a genetic disorder was responsible for the both the parent and the child.

    You are confusing dysfunctional families with extremely abusive parents.

    I see in my blog stats that you probably visited Fallen Leaves but it seems that you didn’t read the whole article “A Class with Colin Ross”. Ross explains beautifully the vast difference between these two types of family dynamics. While dysfunctional families may produce the typical neurotic behaviors that most of us suffer—and I fully agree with you that we may cope with life problems in those families—, extremely abusive parents on the other hand drive their children mad (see “A Class with Colin Ross”).

    In any event, to suggest, as you do, that all schizophrenia is caused by abuse is unproven and cruel to those good parents who did their best and loved their children very much. It was first popularized by the monstrous Bruno Bettelheim under the name refrigerator mother.

    You are mistaken here. While it’s true that Bettelheim was in some aspects a rather nasty fellow, he never claimed that refrigerator mothers caused schizophrenia (he said they caused autism). I have not read Bettelheim and will never read him. My views on schizophrenia are based on the work of Theodore Lidz, Ronald Laing, Silvano Arieti, and more recently Alice Miller and Colin Ross himself, who published a whole book on schizophrenia in 2004.

  44. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 11:11 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Yes, I plead guilty. It is interesting that you note the quality of his voice. In an interview he attributed his performance to a teacher who advised him to concentrate on the beauty of the sound rather than volume.

  45. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 11:02 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Ah, so now you want to lure me away from enjoyable trivia by tempting me to talk about something that truly matters! There’s a bit of the devil in you, Alice, isn’t there?

    OK, here goes, but I’m afraid my answer won’t be terribly satisfactory. I saw Jay Hunter Morris at length only in the first act of Siegfried. I watched very little of the televised Ring, for various reasons I won’t go into here and now, except to reveal the two most prominent ones: I loathe James Levine’s conducting, and I knew that I would detest the production as much as I in fact did detest everything I saw of it. Thus, I have no way of knowing how well Morris endured the rigors of Siegfried’s act 3 or most of Götterdämmerung. I did see his scene with Brünnhilde in the Prologue, however. Both singers were hardly models of excellence there, though he was much, much better than the drab and utterly unacceptable Voigt.

    Morris did do, I must say, quite a good job in act 1 of Siegfried. He has a strong, flexible voice, excellent German (unmarred by the vulgar regionalisms displayed by Jonas Kaufmann, whose mispronounced W’s should have been instantly corrected), a vivid sense of the character’s situation, a strikingly young, trim, and virile appearance, and a real feeling for the stage. His voice, while quite presentable, lacks genuine beauty or a truly distinctive timbre, and he was less convincing in conveying verbal and dramatic nuances than in making larger dramatic points.

    The Forging Scene, act 1′s highlight, was a very great success—for many operagoers, that’s really all that matters. He was able to come up with that extra measure of vocal power that its final stanzas and especially final line require for the scene to have the necessary impact. The fact that he was able to convey the sense that he was singing all-out for the hour before that scene, yet still have something in reserve for it, speaks well for his professionalism and training.

    Overall, I rate him a real success in a role where few have been even tolerable and a noteworthy singer and operatic performer more generally.

  46. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    I meant exactly what I said. I can only ask you to consult a basic book on logic. Some people abuse children. Those children react in different ways – some survive, damaged but essentially able to cope with life. If some subsequently become schizophrenic I am inclined to think that a genetic disorder was responsible for the both the parent and the child.

    In any event, to suggest, as you do, that all schizophrenia is caused by abuse is unproven and cruel to those good parents who did their best and loved their children very much. It was first popularized by the monstrous Bruno Bettelheim under the name refrigerator mother. It has been part of the attack on WASP reticence and our ability to communicate disapproval to our children with the lift of an eyebrow rather than public harangues and endless guilt inducing lectures.

    I suggest that you read The Ordeal of Civility by John Murray Cuddihy. It is a tough slog, written in high sociological jargon, but it makes a very convincing case that the history of psychology can be seen as an attempt to redefine normal WASP behavior, self control and the attempt to inculcate strong character in our children and as a form of mental illness or abuse – primarily because Jews are incapable of it.

  47. Mr Curious's Gravatar Mr Curious
    October 15, 2012 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    I remember the time of the 2008 US election. I was working in a department where Whites were a minority. Every single nonwhite (and of course a lot of Frankfurt School brainwashed White pussies) was delighted with the result.

    But here is the funny thing:
    1) This was not in America and I suspect none of us had even been to the US. So why the visceral elation to something that really is not much concern of ours?
    2) None of the people there were Black.

    I even asked one of the people what his favourite Obama policy was. I then asked him to name an Obama policy. I think you can all guess what the answers to those questions were.

    Even from a strictly biological perspective it does not all add up. Let us ignore the East Asians for argument sake and focus on those from the Indian Subcontinent. If you look at the Cavalli Sforza charts those from the northern Subcontinent are much more closely related to Caucasians like the McCains than they are to sub-Saharan Africans like the Obamas. Depending on how broadly you draw the cluster, by some definitions they are Caucasian. Yet they still got joy in seeing a White person lose.

    The only thing I can say is that the anti-White racism and White pathologies spoken of in this article can account for this. Politics is tribal and one should think very carefully before voting for somebody whi does not look like you.

    Dear Only Boys Aloud,

    Your singing is only a part of it
    Your singing is only the start of it
    Sing together
    Tim’ll fix it for you
    And you [x100]
    La la la
    Lovely Tim

  48. October 15, 2012 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I found Chechar’s equally untested and unproven contention that parental abuse is responsible for schizophrenia cruel.

    What do you mean with such statement? That there’s no emotional abuse in some families, no all-out attack on a child’s self-esteem and self-image? No sexual abuse in other families? No physical abuse in still others? What do you mean, that those parental behaviors don’t produce massive psychological damage in the child’s psyche?

    If there’s any cruelty, that’s telling the victim that the parental behavior caused no psychological harm whatsoever: that the victim merely suffers from faulty genes or faulty brain chemistry.

  49. October 15, 2012 - 10:15 am | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    but I am more than willing to consider anything you can provide that challenges their claims that psychopathy is (often) genetic and images of the brain of psychopaths show structural abnormalities

    The genetic claims of psychopathology have been convincingly refuted, among others, by Jay Joseph, one of the contributors to the journal I mentioned above, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry. As I said: in psychiatric matters, everything we have learnt from the media is false. While the psychiatric propaganda tells us that the genetic basis for the disorders has been demonstrated, when you go to the scholarly sources themselves a surprisingly different picture starts to emerge.

    It’s all about the media. When you start to question the underlying assumptions of the field, you see that the genetic claims of Western psychopathology are as bogus as the claims about Eastern psychopathology. (In the Brezhnev era psychiatry claimed that political dissidents were mentally ill, with a whole academic apparatus that “proved” that the dissident condition was a somatic condition.)

    Wiki? MSM? Seriously? Have you read anything I have written?

    If you believe in the claims of biological psychiatry you have been brainwashed by the media. It is that simple.

    The spread of (in my opinion) misinformation that claim we can not test then separate psychopaths from our gene pool…

    Pseudoscience. The brain image tests you mention above are not biomarkers. It’s part of the massive propaganda that has brainwashed westerners.

    See the Szasz quotation above. In real medical science physicians observe the pathological alterations in the organs, tissue, and cells as well as the microbial invasions, and the naming of the disease comes only after that. Those are genuine biomarkers: the classic definition of illness in the Virchowian sense. Modern psychiatry has just abandoned the Virchowian-pathological criterion to detect real illnesses. Those images you mention measure, for instance, blood perfusion in the brain. That’s not a biomarker. Even those who practice yoga can alter the brain perfusion, and it shows up in the images you mention.

    But that’s not a biomarker. It’s a publicitary trick to make the masses of gullible whites believe that biopsychiatry is indeed a science like neurology, and that the masses ought to continue spending billions of dollars in neuroleptics, antidepressants, ansiolitics, mood disorder stabilizers, and even stimulants for millions of white children.

    Pseudoscience. If you want a scholarly reference to support what I’ve just said, take a good look at the first two papers published in Pseudoscience in Biological Psychiatry, edited by mental health professionals Colin Ross and Alvin Pam (Wiley & Sons).

  50. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 10:05 am | Permalink

    @Annabelle: Equality—except before the law, and only then when the law is embedded within a truly just legal system—is not a proper ideal for anyone. Equality assumes that the dishonest Jew and the African savage merit the same voice and influence within society as the intelligent and honorable white Christian.

    That’s worse than nonsensical; it’s criminal and immoral. Were the Tea Party movement doing anything to weaken “equality” in this country, it would merit applause and support. It isn’t, unfortunately, and so it doesn’t.

  51. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    It will not surprise you to hear that I have great disdain for mothers who casually turn their children over to doctors to fix. I have seen abuses in both models, parents who put their kids in therapy to persuade them that the divorce is a swell idea as well as parents who drug their kids for entirely natural, but inconvenient, variations in the ability to control themselves.

    All that said, I found Chechar’s equally untested and unproven contention that parental abuse is responsible for schizophrenia cruel. Every parent suffers terribly when a child is unable to cope with reality – to add to that suffering because one has a grievance with the profession is simply another form of abuse.

    On an entirely unrelated note, I am dying to hear your opinion of our Texan Siegfried in the Great Performances airing of The Ring?

  52. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 9:53 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    … I’ve heard psychiatrists argue for decades that mental illnesses had nothing to do with biology …

    Just so—however large or small their numbers. Those white people with the misfortune of suffering from mental or behavioral problems not readily traceable to a character defect and who are seeking help for these problems will soon discover, if they are lucky, that they are caught between two orthodoxies, neither of which has much foundation in elementary medico-scientific observation and categorization. If they aren’t lucky, they won’t discover what’s being done to them.

    During the past eighty or ninety years, I would rate the ratio of the unlucky to the lucky at an optimistic 9.7 to 1.

  53. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 9:42 am | Permalink

    @Chechar: Thank you very much. Being called an exception may, after all, be twisted ever so slightly to its adjectival form, “exceptional”—and that’s one of those words that always looks good on a report or résumé!

  54. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 9:33 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: You may feel free to include me within your very apt generalization. I have been guilty of failing to sufficiently resist the constitutional tendency you describe more often than I care to recall. I hope I’ve been doing better of late.

  55. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 15, 2012 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    … despite all of the nonsense and downright evil done by the psychiatric profession I have no reason to discount my observations in life that some metal illnesses have a biochemistry as the most plausible cause. Not always, not in every instance, sometimes.

    I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Indeed, it’s why there is, I believe, no true disagreement among us over the larger matters.

    Here’s my point. Sensible, honest men and women react to a situation where plausibility rather than certainty is the term best descriptive of the underlying problem by proceeding with caution and leaving their options open till more and better information is obtained, if it ever is. The class of biopsychiatric practitioners—which I was astonished to learn back in the eighties constitutes the vast bulk of practicing psychiatrists, since like Jason I had unquestioningly bought into the Hollywood model—on the other hand, proceeds without caution and takes it for granted that no questions need to be asked or answered. Such people are inherently dangerous to those who cross their path.

    Put another way, there is a maxim among physicians that a good patient history is worth a dozen tests. These shrinks, however, disdain both the maxim and the tests! (Incidentally, the same doctor who warned me off mentioning a headache to a surgeon also told me, with a sigh, that in his experience this is a maxim that receives more lip service than anything else.)

  56. Annabelle's Gravatar Annabelle
    October 15, 2012 - 8:24 am | Permalink

    The Tea Party is the most dangerous group in America.

    The Tea Party is the Jewish dream of controlling white Americans.

    The Tea party is nailing the lid of the cofffins of White Americans to have any equallity in this country.

    The Tea Party is the enemy of thinking whites.

  57. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 1:35 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “Please, don’t misrepresent what I said. I said that the American Journal of Psychiatry is “the most financed and influential” journal in worldwide psychiatry; not Andreasen’s book.”
    ———
    My sincere apologies.

    “As to your other points, you would be surprised to learn that all of them are propaganda launched by Big Pharma to make billions on psychiatric drugs, sometimes by drugging white boys labeled with ADHD (as it’s propaganda all “research” that there are no races, etc.)”
    ———-
    The sources I gleaned this data from EXPOSE psychiatric drugs for what they are, so I’m tempted to doubt your assessment, but I am more than willing to consider anything you can provide that challenges their claims that psychopathy is (often) genetic and images of the brain of psychopaths show structural abnormalities that differ from the normal brain. I’ll look forward to the material.

    You wrote:
    “What the critics of psychiatry stress over and over is that, once you study the subject from a critical POV, you find out that it’s sometimes altogether different the claims you see in the media than what the data really says—sometimes data from the very institutions that the critics expose.”
    Naturally. No argument here.

    You wrote:
    “It’s a huge, huge scandal. Don’t believe in Wikipedia or in anything the MSM tells us about the psychiatric “proofs” you cited above. Go for the real thing. Start for example with the Whitaker video that I linked in my previous response to Jason. ”
    Wiki? MSM? Seriously? Have you read anything I have written? For the love logic! I swear the reason our race can not unite and fight is due to our refusal to learn from one another..

    The spread of (in my opinion) misinformation that claim we can not test then separate psychopaths from our gene pool, society, and POSITIONS OF POWER obviously benefits the very group addressed, the group controlling what? Both modern Psychiatry and intelligence surrounding psychopathy.

  58. October 15, 2012 - 12:54 am | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    You praised her work as “the most financed and influential”

    Please, don’t misrepresent what I said. I said that the American Journal of Psychiatry is “the most financed and influential” journal in worldwide psychiatry; not Andreasen’s book.

    As to your other points, you would be surprised to learn that all of them are propaganda launched by Big Pharma to make billions on psychiatric drugs, sometimes by drugging white boys labeled with ADHD (as it’s propaganda all “research” that there are no races, etc.). What the critics of psychiatry stress over and over is that, once you study the subject from a critical POV, you find out that it’s sometimes altogether different the claims you see in the media than what the data really says—sometimes data from the very institutions that the critics expose.

    It’s a huge, huge scandal. Don’t believe in Wikipedia or in anything the MSM tells us about the psychiatric “proofs” you cited above. Go for the real thing. Start for example with the Whitaker video that I linked in my previous response to Jason.

  59. Conor McNessa's Gravatar Conor McNessa
    October 15, 2012 - 12:51 am | Permalink

    P.S. So-called websites are just situations in which a sick overblown ego lords it over “guests.” The overblown ego with delusions of grandeur hires paranoid nuts who accuse all kinds of regular people of subterfuge when in reality they just disagree with their comments and want to muzzle them. Because they do not agree with their comments, they use dishonest excuses to muzzle them. A forum is a ridiculous charade run by supposed supporters of free speech who are anything but that and are in fact worse enemies of free speech than those that they criticize. Pathetic! I’ve had it! Anybody who claims that only one group is behind globalism, multicultural attacks on Whites, organized crime, and the rest is a moron! Then there are the tattle tale cowards. “Oh no! He can’t say that! NO! No! The all-powerful enemy will crack down on us poor pathetic mortals if he is allowed to say that! oh, I’m so afraid!”

  60. October 15, 2012 - 12:43 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    But I’ve heard psychiatrists argue for decades that mental illnesses had nothing to do with biology, so, I don’t quite get the debate. I thought psychiatrists made billions going over deep childhood trauma?

    It has been a long, sometimes technical debate. A couple of points:

    • The overwhelming majority of psychiatrists advocate the medical model of mental disorders and treat their patients with pills (sometimes with even harsher treatments such as ECT, etc). The poor patients call them “shrinks” because long-term use of psychiatric drugs literally shrinks the brain.

    • Psychoanalysis and clinical psychology are another story, but neither of the two advocate the trauma model of mental disorders.

    You got to get rid of the Hollywood image that either shrinks or clinical psychologists “made billions going over deep childhood trauma”. There’s nothing of the sort. Only a tiny minority of mental health professionals are actively working under the trauma model (as tiny minority as those psychological professionals who dare to say that there’s such a thing as differential IQ among the human races).

    Here’s the link to Whitaker’s class I had promised to Alice. He’s not my favorite critic but I like the way he talks.

  61. Conor McNessa's Gravatar Conor McNessa
    October 15, 2012 - 12:42 am | Permalink

    That is my final comment. An open forum is indispensable. Freedom to speak ones mind is important. A movement that is myopic will be a weak and innefectual movement. Websites are not really places. What is happening is that computers are sharing information under the control of some people. We are not “at a website.” Nobody owns websites because there is not a place there. The conversation here is meaningless because every word that we write is vetted. That is unacceptable for me. It is a joke. Would you ever participate in a conversation at a salon where the host would have you whisper everything you wanted to say in his ear and then muzzle you on occasions? I would not. At least that would be a real place though, we are not in a real place and this is not a real conversation.

  62. Conor McNessa's Gravatar Conor McNessa
    October 15, 2012 - 12:34 am | Permalink

    @fender
    The Royal Institute of International Affairs was started by Cecil Rhodes and his Rhodes roundtable in the 19th. C. Rhodes was a pure Englishman through and through. The Royal Institute of International Affairs started and controls the Council on Foreign Relations. Council on Foreign Relations people started the Trilateral Commission. The Skull & Bones is a decidedly Anglo-American (New England Anglo-American Establishment) organization with German roots. The people who founded and control these organizations answer to no one. It is important to know that elitist malfeasance has many groups involved. It is a hydra, not a bush with one root. Herakles destroyed the Learnaean Hydra. How did he do it? Not by concentrating on one head only. He cut off every head and cauterized it so it could not grow two heads in its place. There are millions of White people who are true believers about many of these issues (like multiculturalism, the pavement ape jihad, and the immivasion, socilism, communism, and other pernicious movements) that concern us and they will continue to be fanatics regardless of the behavior of any Jews. Most of the White fanatics that I have met (I have met legions of them) don’t even know any Jews or believe that Jews have any control of them.

  63. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 15, 2012 - 12:29 am | Permalink

    @Chechar: You wrote:
    Nancy Andreasen, the former editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry, the most financed and influential journal of psychiatry, recognizes in her book Brave New Brain
    ——————-

    First let me say that Nancy Andreasen is a liar. (an incompetent one at that) You praised her work as “the most financed and influential“. Well, that explains a lot. This alone should cause every logical and sane person to place doubt heavily upon her claims. Let’s examine them:

    Quote
    “• there is no laboratory test that determines who is mentally ill and who is not”

    False. Using MRI brain scans, neuroscientists found that there are consistent and identifiable neurological basis for psychopathy.

    Quote
    “• nor genes responsible for a mental illness have been found”
    False.
    Results from studies (citation below) indicate that different psychopathic traits as measured by the MPQ show distinct genetically based dimensions of DSM psychopathology.
    *Psychol Med. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2008 February 13.

    But what I find most disturbing is so called “mental health professionals” willingly and consciously contributing to their patients mental illness, and more often than not deliver drugs that push the subject into deeper levels of what can only be described as imposed insanity.
    From Political Ponerolgy, Lobaczewski, 119-120):

    DRUG-INDUCED CHARACTEROPATHIES

    “Character anomalies developing as a result of brain-tissue damage [from medications] behave like insidious ponerogenic factors. … their influence easily anchors in human minds, traumatizing our psyches, impoverishing and deforming our thoughts and feelings, and limiting individuals’ and societies’ ability to use common sense and to read a psychological or moral situation accurately. This opens the door to the influence of other pathological characters who most frequently carry some inherited psychological deviations.” (Lobaczewski, 119-120)

    With the rise of modern medicine came the use of little-understood drugs which leave permanent damage to the nervous system. Some tumor treatments (i.e., cytostatic drugs) often attack the more primitive portions of the brain, leaving such individuals emotionally dull, unable to empathize. While retaining their intelligence, they become vengeful and praise-craving egocentrics, indifferent to the pain they cause others.

    Certain viruses (e.g., mumps, diphtheria, polio) and toxins like heavy metals, pesticides, food additives and household chemicals can have similar effects. Such individuals are usually psychologically naive and unable to comprehend the crux of a matter.

  64. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 12:24 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Well said, balance it is all in the balance.

  65. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2012 - 12:19 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Gentlemen, I don’t usually play this card, but only men and crazed feminists could causally state that biochemistry has no affect on us.

    LOL (Sorry for the text-speak Pierre). Men tend to be higher in “systematizing”, as it is called, going in big for abstract thought. This can have huge advantages (see calculus), but like so many things, our greatest strengths can be our greatest weaknesses. You see guys becoming obsessed with logic divorced from any underlying reality, almost a contemptuous dismissal of “mere fact”.

    I am NOT talking about Pierre or Chechar by the way. I have certainly done it myself. I think most men need to reminded of their tendency to become a bit intoxicated by the thought-systems they develop.

  66. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 15, 2012 - 12:17 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    I refer you to the first paragraph of this comment. We are not communicating.

  67. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 15, 2012 - 12:11 am | Permalink

    http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n06.shtml

    Too bad vitamins & minerals aren’t as interesting as AA meeetings with their self-flagellation; or sitting on a psychiatrist’s couch for 20 years.

  68. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 15, 2012 - 12:05 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    I totally agree that the psychiatric profession is, and has been, filled with quacks. Actually worse than quacks, as that just suggests uselessness. They have done active harm. And the drugging of normal, healthy boys is a national scandal. You require them to read Jane Austen, and shockingly they become bored!

    But I’ve heard psychiatrists argue for decades that mental illnesses had nothing to do with biology, so, I don’t quite get the debate. I thought psychiatrists made billions going over deep childhood trauma? Are you just arguing over whether a psychiatrist can/should diagnose a biological cause of a mental illness?

    So, if everyone agrees that mental illness can have a biological cause, if everyone agrees the psychiatric profession has been goofy for generations, if we all agree that some pharmaceutical companies could be corrupt, what is the argument about, really?

  69. October 15, 2012 - 12:03 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “only men and crazed feminists could causally state that biochemistry has no affect on us…”

    I for one have never claimed this.

  70. October 15, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I agree with everything of what you have said, and would add that nationalists ought to become educated in the history of the white race: especially what happened in Egypt, Persia, India, the Greco-Roman world and the quixotic conquests of the American subcontinent by the Iberians.

  71. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Gentlemen, I don’t usually play this card, but only men and crazed feminists could causally state that biochemistry has no affect on us. i can only assume that you have forgotten those days in puberty when you were affected by what I call testosterone poisoning. As a woman, I will have to ask you to take my word for the fact. I personally hold that one of the great crimes of modernity has been to try everything to short circuit the really miraculous hormonal changes, and the wonderful feelings generated by them, which take place during the early days of child rearing and nursing. It is a peak life experience – one which I feel guilty about denying to my dogs. Instead we only hear about postpartum depression.
    We are spiritual beings having a biological experience. Sometimes we can and should transcend our biological impulses. Sometimes they get the better of us. Ask anyone who has cared for an Alzheimer patient for which there was no biological test until recently.

  72. October 14, 2012 - 11:54 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    None of which proves that there is no biochemical or structural cause. It merely proves our level of ignorance.

    But precisely because you don’t know the thrust of the main argument in my paper you fail to see that it is the other way around.

    It’s the psychiatrists the ones who claim that the biomedical basis of disorders will be proven. But the trick to sell their “pills of happiness” is that they dismiss the trauma model out of hand.

    Imagine that our hypothetical computer wire-puller, after your telling him that you messed around with risky websites that probably got your PC infected, tells you that, in spite of the fact that in-depth analysis on your PC’s hardware have shown that it’s OK, notwithstanding, “None of this proves that there is no hardware damage or structural cause. It merely proves our level of ignorance.”

    The whole point is that the hypothetical wire-puller is dogmatically attached to a single-cause hypothesis and that, irrationally, he dismiss the existence of the computer software and the probability of a virus infection (that in the human mind would be analogous to mental distress and disorders caused by traumatic experiences). This describes in commonsensical language what I explain more technically in my blog.

  73. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 14, 2012 - 11:51 pm | Permalink

    There are a number of traits that Whites have had that can be dysgenic and self-destructive (Whites are not alone in having negative traits). For centuries, most of Europe encouraged its brightest and most educated males to be practicing eunuchs. This doesn’t strike me as healthy for a society. Teaching children that the highest ideal is to be chaste for life would be disastrous if everyone followed it. It would literally be the last generation on earth. If everyone found the strength to overcome all sexual desire, it would lead to the greatest holocaust in human history, the complete extinction of a society. Yet, this concept was taught as high-minded idealism for centuries.

    But primarily, I think it has been a lack of racial awareness that led so many White civilizations to self-destruct. There is evidence for a White Egypt, a White Persia and certainly a White ruled India with a racial caste system. However, over many centuries, they all slowly turned brown. And then all progress stopped.

    Perhaps all the remaining Whites in those societies believed that it was a matter of “moral decline” and that if only they could get their brown brethren to return to some sacred text, all problems would be solved. Many Whites, especially smart Whites, have a tendency to believe ideology trumps biology. Perhaps intoxicated by their own success in building great civilizations, they believed they could transfer a “system of thought and values” to any human population, and turn them into White people who just happened to be painted a different color. I’m reminded of the Spanish priests who believed it was just a matter of education to bring the indigenous people of the New World up to White standards. They were sincerely motivated and worked quite hard at it. I believe that project lasted a couple of centuries with no real results.

    The stubborn refusal to face facts (often confused with “faithfulness” and loyalty to some institution) led to the White Spanish in Latin America slowly being absorbed by the brown masses. Yes, Whites still exist in South America and Mexico, but it is rather despite official ideology and religious dogma, not because of it. To the extent that Whites went against Church teachings and feel-good ideology, that is the extent to which they survive.

    This is not to pick on the various Christian institutions, which were also beneficial to their populations. Rather, it is to say that it is fruitful for Whites to examine their history unsentimentally, and not to offload all blame to one single cause. Examining Jewish influence is great when it expands our knowledge. But it should not devolve into a thought-stopper.

  74. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    None of which proves that there is no biochemical or structural cause. It merely proves our level of ignorance.

  75. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I find nothing in your statement with which to disagree. My one and only point is that despite all of the nonsense and downright evil done by the psychiatric profession I have no reason to discount my observations in life that some metal illnesses have a biochemistry as the most plausible cause. Not always, not in every instance, sometimes.

    I thank you for your kind words and I appreciate your effort to act as peacemaker, as has Richard. Perhaps I am biologically inclined to contrariness. If someones gives me a wrong theory I do not accept the reverse as the only possible correct answer.

  76. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 14, 2012 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Pathology in the Pathocracy
    Excerpt from Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes II
    by Andrew M. Lobaczewski:

    “Psychopaths exist everywhere in the world; even a faraway pathocracy evokes a resonating response in them, working on their underlying feeling that �there is a place for people like us there�. Uncritical, frustrated, and abused people also exist everywhere and they can be reached by appropriately elaborated propaganda. The future of a nation is greatly dependent on how many such people it contains. Thanks to its specific psychological knowledge and its conviction that normal people are na�ve, a pathocracy is able to improve its �anti-psychotherapeutic� techniques, and pathologically egotistical as usual, to insinuate its deviant world of concepts to others. [�]

    ��� The law furnishes insufficient support for counteracting a phenomenon whose character lies outside the possibilities of the legislators imagination. Pathocracy knows how to take advantage of the weaknesses of such a legalistic manner of thinking. [�]

    ��� Whenever a nation experiences a �system crisis� or a hyperactivity of ponerogenic processes within, it becomes the object of a pathocratic penetration whose purpose is to serve up the country as booty. It will then become easy to take advantage of its internal weaknesses and revolutionary movements in order to impose rule on the basis of a limited use of force. � After forcible imposition of such a system, the course of pathologization of life becomes different; and such a pathocracy will be less stable, depending for its very existence upon the factor of never-ending outside force�.

    ��� Brute force must first stifle the resistance of an exhausted nation; people possessing military or leadership skills must be disposed of, and anyone appealing to moral values and legal principles must be silenced. The new principles are never explicitly enunciated. People must learn the new unwritten law via painful experience. The stultifying influence of this deviant world of concepts finishes the job, and common sense demands caution and endurance.

    ��� This is followed by a shock which appears as tragic as it is frightening. Some people from every social group – whether abused paupers, aristocrats officials, literati, students, scientists, priests,, atheists, or nobodies known to no one – suddenly start changing their personality and world-view. Decent Christian and patriots just yesterday, they now expose the new ideology and behave contemptuously to anyone still adhering to the old values. Only later does it become evident that this ostensibly avalanche like process has it s natural limits. �

    ��� Pathocracy imposed by force arrives in a finished form – we could even call it ripe. People observing it up close were unable to distinguish the earlier phases of its development; when the schizoidals and characteropaths were in charge. �

    ��� In an imposed system, psychopathic material is already dominant�[�]”
    end quote
    and later, interesting:

    ‘There are persons less distinctly inclined in the pathocratic direction. [there are more causes addressed in his book, available online to read] These include states caused by the toxic activities of certain substances such as ether, carbon monoxide, and possibly some endotoxins. [Such as nicotine? Perhaps we have now found the reason that the current pathocracy and the former one - Nazi Germany - were so Fascist in their imposition of anti-smoking legislation?]”
    end quote [mine]

    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski_2.htm

  77. October 14, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    If doctors can cause mental illness with drugs why do you assume that it can never happen naturally?

    For the simple reason that no chemical imbalance has been really found in disturbed people with a psychiatric diagnosis (except the imbalance caused by the psychiatric drugging itself). As Nancy Andreasen, the former editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry, the most financed and influential journal of psychiatry, recognizes in her book Brave New Brain:

    • there has not been found any physiological pathology behind mental disorders;

    • nor chemical imbalances have been found in those diagnosed with a mental illness;

    • nor genes responsible for a mental illness have been found;

    • there is no laboratory test that determines who is mentally ill and who is not.

  78. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 14, 2012 - 11:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Just a brief comment from someone who has come to feel great admiration and even affection for you. I won’t speak for Chechar or anyone else—I still haven’t quite adjusted to the unusual sensation of speaking up for him, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t feel much the same!—but your points about natural and synthetic chemical substances, sugar rushes and drunkenness, seem to me to reinforce my own views (i.e., to myself) in that the cause-effect connections in all these cases are both demonstrable and measurable with standard and reliable tests of long standing. Contrast this with the way shrinks have taught society to think about drunkenness writ large, a condition they dubbed alcoholism long ago and convinced almost everyone that it is (1) truly a disease and (2) essentially incurable. About fifteen years ago, I came to the conclusion after an immense amount of observation of actual people—what shrinks dismiss as “anecdotal evidence” that quite a few people personally known to me had learned to drink less, rather than stop drinking entirely, and had managed to resume more or less normal lives in the process. One guy actually said to me, “I wasn’t ill. I simply had a tremendously bad and self-destructive habit, but a habit that made me feel pretty damn good. Thinking that I was the ‘victim’ of a disease made me feel pretty good, too. Only when I realized that I was the master of my own fate, for better or worse, not the recipient of it, did I realize that the disease model was for me as self-destructive as the booze.”

    I am not trying to generalize all cases of overindulgence in the sauce. My contention is merely that the medical model is, however, generalized in just this fashion, in that it is applied willy-nilly by people whose responsibility is to examine a patient and his symptoms at least as closely as my acquaintance did his own—and he didn’t even have a pre-med degree!—rather than apply a one-size-fits-all diagnosis and treatment regimen.

  79. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 14, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You summed it up nicely.

  80. October 14, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Have you followed the whole debate? The central issue is that only neurologists have demonstrated the somatogenic origin of brain diseases. Psychiatrists on the other hand, stick to their single-cause, biological hypothesis instead of considering the more parsimonious trauma model of mental disorders—i.e., psychogenic origin—for those behaviors with no known biomarkers.

    See for example what Pierre said above about the scandal of the legal drugging of millions of white boys in North America with purposes of social control.

  81. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    You are correct, we are not communicating. Your statement proves my point. If doctors can cause mental illness with drugs why do you assume that it can never happen naturally? I have done my best. If you cannot or will not see my point I am clearly unable to persuade you. Perhaps Jason will have better luck.

  82. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    October 14, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Why would it be surprising to discover there are biological causes to some mental illnesses?

    We already know that the brain IS a biological entity. And the brain does have some impact on what we call the mind. If you put a person’s brain in a blender, they rather stop making sense. Less dramatically, we know that various hormones affect mood.

    Whatever malfeasance may exist on the part of pharmaceutical companies doesn’t disprove all biological claims of mental illness.

  83. October 14, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I have conceded much of your position, but in your relentless insistence and blindness you are beginning to sound like the feminists who…

    Alice: We are not communicating. How can you say that? Let’s put it this way:

    There have been five parallel critiques of psychiatry: Szasz’s conceptual and logical critique of the mental illness idea; Ron Leifer’s parallel critique of social control through psychiatry; Peter Breggin’s medical evaluation of the assaults on the brain with drugs, electroshock and lobotomy; the cry of the so-called patients who have been harmed by it; and—my own amateurish area—the examination of the scientific basis of biological psychiatry.

    This fifth parallel critique, the evaluation of the scientific status of psychiatry, takes psychiatry to task on its own theoretical base. Exponents of this late strategy, like psychiatrist Colin Ross, have focused on the various bioreductionist claims and logical fallacies in psychiatry; others, like neurologist Elliot Valenstein, on the dubious science behind psychopharmacology; others, like Robert Whitaker, on statistical analyses that show that—incredibly—poor countries with few psychiatric drugs called neuroleptics (“antipsychotics”) fare much better in the treatment of people in psychotic crisis than the rich countries.

    More recently, Whitaker has responded, in a whole book, to arguments like what you told Richard above (“I see no reason to discount biochemistry…”). Whitaker notes that psychiatric drugs only “work” in short term, but that they are iatrogenic in every long-term study. There’s a splendid recent video of Whitaker explaining his book and I could link it if you are interested.

    You cannot call all of these researchers, or my amateurish rephrasing of what they say, as “relentless insistence and blindness” that sound “like the feminists who…” All of these people are respected professionals in their fields.

    Do you know that there’s even an entire scholarly journal (that btw I used to subscribe), Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, where psychiatrists, MDs and PhDs in biology debunk the claims of biopsych, including the genetic claims with which the media brainwashes us 24/7?

    Yes: even some psychiatrists (the late Szasz, Breggin and Ross) awakened to the fact that what they were taught at the university is bogus science.

  84. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 14, 2012 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:…and I’m not going to take this anymore!

    “this” not being a pill.

  85. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 14, 2012 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    @Richard: You wrote:
    “Under the “Brief Journey to Sweden” article, Chechar asks why Muslims seem to be immune to Jewish tactics. And I was thinking maybe it has something to do with their religion. I’m not very familiar with Islam, but doesn’t it reject feminism? And if it does reject it, maybe that is a major reason why Jews don’t have much control over Muslims.
    Maybe White people are too enlightened for their own good.”
    ————–
    Too enlightened for our own good? Nonsense. Literally. The reason Muslims have been almost impossible to infiltrate is due to their legalistic refusal to allow their religion to be tainted by “jews”. Equally important is their ability to discern satanic/demonic presence and influence. As Americans literally swim in satanism nationwide, we even Christians) have grown dim witted and half blind to it. I am not Islamic, but I respect their faith and see them as fellow children of God.

    Huntelaar
    I apologize, I did not catch this the first time I read this thread. I reread it this evening and found this that you wrote:
    “Christianity has had a large influence on Western egalitarian thought (all men are made equal before god) and race denialism (all men are the same before god)”

    This is simply untrue. As a Theologian, I have studied the Bible (the post 1800 manipulated version) and this principle is not taught. While we are told “with God their are is no partiality”, not once is the idea that “all men are created equal” that we see in American government foundation documents. In fact, just the opposite is written on countless occasions, one example is in Romans 9: “Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden”

    TabuLa Raza You ask:
    “Including Christian Negroes?”
    Why is this of importance?

    Alan You wrote:
    “Jews are smarter than Whites its unfortunate for us whites but thats the way it is. The Germans chased Einstien & other
    scientists out of Europe. Lucky for us stupid whites they did.
    I’m pretty sure that most of the scientists that made the Atomic bomb were jewish.”

    What blasphemy! This group calling themselves “jews” more intelligent than us?! *mumbles under breath about speaking for oneself*
    They are most certainly not. In fact, the sole reason they are forced to parasitical practices on hosts (that would be us) is because they lack the skills, intelligence, and morality to build and maintain their own society. They may indeed possess a depravity and insidiousness that we lack, but who would wish these attributes upon our people? They may enthusiastically allow themselves to be hosts for our spiritual enemy, satan, and therefore tap into intel and “powers” we can not even conceive of, but again would we willingly do the same? The answer is clear- as we have not done so. The “jew” is a psychopath: a man without a conscious, without a soul. They are not held back by guilt or shame and collectively are completely free of internal restraints of any kind. These things are what keep normal men from competing with or even understanding them. We literally can not conceive (on our own) of the idea of such an existence and therefore fall victim over and over again, throughout the history of man. In every generation and in every great kingdom that fell we will surely find that these psychopathic mentally deficient (NOT SUPERIOR!) animals were the cause of the fall. It is this fact that debunks the idea that these animals, this group that presently call themselves “jews” are not, can not be “jews”, as their group is made up of a variety of races- the psychopath is found in every group. I will concede that Andrew M. Lobaczewski, author of “Political Ponerology: A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes” writes that far fewer come from the negro group.
    At any rate, I firmly believe that the abilities the “jews” have displayed that have seemingly empowered them are mental and spiritual DEFECTS, as the LACK a conscious and soul.

    Alan
    October 13, 2012 – 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Fender
    You ask: “What I’m trying to get at is how do we fight them?
    What concrete ideas have we?
    I say we go after our Israeli policy first.”

    We can not fight let alone defeat an enemy we can not identify. I firmly suggest we all study our enemy. Who is he? Where did he come from? This “Holy Land” bit is horseshit. These animals NEVER occupied Israel and they are not semitic- or at least no more than you and I. And being so, who are they REALLY? Why have they taken on this fictitious identity they hide behind? I strongly encourage, hell, I ‘d beg if I thought it would be effective, that everyone study Political Ponerolgy and the psychopath.

  86. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    I accept that psychiatry is not a science worthy of the name. I know nothing about neurology – I think we live in an era painfully ignorant of biochemistry. That does not mean that chemical substances both, natural and synthetic, cannot have effects of the brain and emotions of human beings. I have conceded much of your position, but in your relentless insistence and blindness you are beginning to sound like the feminists who insisted that hormones have no effect on people simply because it was sometimes misdiagnosed. No one knows. You prefer one guess, I another.

  87. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 14, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “Thanks for your kind words above.”

    My pleasure. (It really is. I feel a great gratitude while writing this comment.)

    It’s clear that you are well-educated and passionate about this issue. (That gives me a sense of comfort.) And your comments seem to come from a place of self-transcendent love.

    I think Alice’s comments are valuable and just as loving, too.

    This discussion/debate is important.

  88. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 9:59 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Perhaps you are right. I certainly think most people are more resilient that you suggest – but perhaps for the few you are right. I see no reason to discount biochemistry, if such short term affects as drunkenness or even a sugar-rush can alter a person, as well as the changes common in advanced old age, it seems a reasonable explanation. We are body and spirit. There is so much we simply don’t know.

  89. October 14, 2012 - 9:57 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Sometimes the problem is hardware, sometimes software. A misdiagnosis is not proof that no hardware problems ever exist… Either you have not read my comments or you are simply impervious to logic.

    See the Szasz quote above. While neurology is a real science insofar as this medical specialty can demonstrate the biomarkers of e.g. cerebral tumors, there is no known biomarker for any major symptom listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV).

    If the shrinks could prove their central hypothesis, psychiatry as a specialty would have disappeared and its body of knowledge merged in neurological science. What psychiatrists do is to state to a gullible public that after almost a century of research in, for instance, schizophrenia, the medical etiology of the “disease” is still “unknown,” and they claim the same other DSM-IV behaviors.

    Neurology deals with real diseases; psychiatry, with metaphorical diseases. That’s the whole point in Szasz’ “myth of mental illness”.

    Can you see the big, big difference?

  90. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 9:50 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I agree, for the most part. It was first brought to my attention by the Ordeal of Civility, which is a wonderful book desperately in need of rewriting. How about it Pierre – you would be doing your people a service?

  91. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 14, 2012 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Perhaps, drugs do have an effect or act as a trigger. That is still a biological cause. I certainly agree that there is a lot we don’t know.”

    I think I know what you mean. I thought of that after I wrote my comment.

    But in a way, the cause still might not be biological.

    If the drug alters the brain so that a person has a hellish experience in their mind, then that hellish (traumatic) experience might lead to some kind of long-term mental problem(s).

    It’s not necessarily the drug itself. Instead, it might be the experience, which varies from person to person. Some people have heavenly experiences on drugs. And others seem to experience hell. The drug has a way of revealing and bringing to the surface what is already buried inside someone’s mind.

    Another reason that I question that the drug itself is the cause is… if we go back even further, one might say that the cause was the person’s decision to use the drug.

    (I’m not really talking about the two people in your story, Alice. Just hypothetical people.)

    Anyway, I have ideas about this issue. But I’m not great with the scientific language (or expressing myself in general), and that might become obvious if I write much more about it.

  92. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 9:43 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    I cannot imagine any informed person who doesn’t think that psychiatry is as pseudoscientific . That does not prove that there is never a biological explanation for madness.

  93. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 9:39 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    Sometimes the problem is hardware, sometimes software. A misdiagnosis is not proof that no hardware problems ever exist. It seems that we will have to agree to disagree. Either you have not read my comments or you are simply impervious to logic.

  94. October 14, 2012 - 9:17 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    “I still have to met a white nationalist who’s aware that biological psychiatry is as pseudoscientific as…” I wrote to Alice before reading your last post.

    Well: we have an exception now ☺

  95. October 14, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I reject the idea that I must constantly doubt my own judgment simply because…

    Your judgment has been formed as a result of massive doses of propaganda that the American Big Pharma launched since the 1950s. There’s no escape to it. I still have to met a white nationalist who’s aware that biological psychiatry is as pseudoscientific as phrenology or Lysenko’s genetics.

    There’s nothing logical in believing that mental disorders are biomedical entities. Let’s use the analogy of computing.

    Imagine that your computer fixer is a hardware reductionist (just as psychiatrists are bio-reductionists). Imagine that this guy tells you that your computer problem must lie in the hardware of your machine (mother board, hard disk, mouse, etc). Imagine that you complain and try to explain that you suspect the problem lies in the software (that would be the “trauma model”). And now the guy informs you that he doesn’t believe in the existence of the software (the analogy would be the shrink that doesn’t believe in the existence of the “human soul”), and that since the software and the computing viruses don’t exist he will proceed to “fix” the hardware problem with his pliers by cutting circuits in the mother board (the equivalent would be the bio-reductionist shrink trying to “fix” the brain—never the nonexistent soul—with psychosurgery, electroconvulsive “therapy” or psychiatric drugging).

    Surely you would think that the man is insane, but what’s the difference between the above caricature and biological psychiatrists, who always treat both mental disorders and even the problems of the living with physical treatments?

    Elsewhere I wrote:

    As Szasz has observed, in real medical science physicians observe the pathological alterations in the organs, tissue, and cells as well as the microbial invasions, and the naming of the disease comes only after that. Psychiatry inverts the sequence. First it baptizes a purported illness, be it schizophrenia or any other, but the existence of a biological marker is never discovered, though it is dogmatically postulated. A postulate is a proposition that is accepted without proof. Only by postulating that these disorders are basically genetic and that the environment merely plays a “triggering” role can psychiatrists justify to treat them by physical means. On the other hand, if neuroses and psychoses are caused by poor parenting and extreme parental abuse respectively, to treat them with drugs, electroshock or lobotomy only “re-victimizes” the victim.

  96. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 14, 2012 - 9:01 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    @Alice Teller:

    I read Chechar’s article from top to bottom, and it made a very positive impression upon me. One of its central points—that the psychiatric industry and its practitioners victimize members of the public, especially children, who have the misfortune to fall into their clutches—seems to me too plainly true to debate. Everything I myself have seen suggests that what Chechar writes about their refusal to diagnose and treat patients on an individual and pragmatic basis, instead reverting virtually invariably to unproved, a priori “disease” models and committee-approved and -recommended treatments, frequently founded upon dangerous practices and even more dangerous drugs, is also true.

    In reading his paper, I was reminded of some less than entirely humorous advice once given me by a splendid physician of my acquaintance: “Never tell a surgeon you have a headache. He’ll insist you’ll never rid yourself of it without cranial surgery.” That is to say, what one witnesses in psychiatry and (as my friend would have it, and I agree with him) and surgery is something like a nightmare version of the old adage, “Cobbler, stick to your last”—except that here we have cobblers-of-a-sort to whom everything they see looks like a last!

    Since I am one who has been impressed with Dr. Szasz and his views since I first heard him speak forty years ago, I may be considered a less than objective observer of this discussion. Perhaps I am. But I was mightily impressed—how could any TOO commenter not be—at the mincemeat Chechar makes of ADHD, which is so plainly a deliberate and highly destructive Tribal attack on white children, especially adolescent boys, who are roughly 90 percent of those diagnosed with the phony disease and often forcibly medicated in the school without their parents’ knowledge or consent. This aspect of Chechar’s article alone ought to earn a sympathetic reading for the rest of it, I believe.

    @Trenchant:

    Still mad as hell after all these years? Hmmm. Let me set you up with a nice course of psychotropic medication. It will make you feel ever so much better.

  97. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 14, 2012 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Thanks, that’s my (non-scholarly) understanding of the Covenants, too. I’m still trying to fathom how a Christian Zionist can lose the Judeophilia without the entire faith, so deep is the programming. Hopes springs eternal.

  98. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 8:20 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    i reject the idea that I must constantly doubt my own judgement simply because evil people have great influence in the public media. Yes, there has been massive brainwashing, yes the psychiatric community has much to be blamed for. I have no doubt that there have been false and malicious diagnosis, labeling and drugging.

    None of which changes the fact that all of mankind has recognized that madness occurs and the effect is often clearly understood and explained as an influence beyond the individual’s control. Perhaps they were touched by the gods, perhaps they are possessed by demons. I am more inclined to assume, until such time as I am proven wrong, that there is a biological cause. We cannot become so skeptical that we trust no one, not even ourselves – true madness lies that way.

  99. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 14, 2012 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: Just to clear up the confusion, it’s me the libertarian, and yes, I’m as mad as hell…

  100. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 14, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    The New Testament is new covenant. Christians are G_d’s chosen people.

    Including Christian Negroes?

  101. October 14, 2012 - 7:52 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    The far more likely explanation for such a radical and debilitating illness as schizophrenia is a biological one, much like the changes we observe when various substances have been consumed. Common sense observation may not be science but it is not brainwashing either.

    Westerners have been brainwashed. I myself was brainwashed. Pierre de Craon’s statement above that Szasz recently died caught me by surprise. In honor to him, last night I searched for the last recorded conference and found that Szasz lectured last year at the Milton Erickson Foundation. His lecture, “Therapy Looking for Disease” recounts how, before the Big Pharma took over, his colleagues considered schizophrenia everything but “a radical and debilitating illness”. That was common sense when Szasz was young since there was no biomarker for the disorder (as there’s still no biomarker now, unlike the rest of genuine diseases studied by other medical specialties).

    You simply cannot duckspeak the current dogmas as flat statements of what is commonsensical or not. The elderly Szasz had a heavy Hungarian accent, but after watching his lecture yesterday I watched conferences about the latest line of research in debunking biopsych, and encountered several videos of Robert Whitaker’s latest book which won last year the Investigative Reporters and Editors Award as the best investigative journalism.

    If the ethno-state is formed it will probably see that the medical-model hypothesis of mental disorders becomes as discredited as, say, Boasian anthropology. It has no more scientific basis than Freudian psychoanalysis.

    If you ever change your mind and read my “Unfalsifiability in psychiatry and licit drugging of white children” you will see that what moves me to debunk this pseudoscience is the fact that, literally, millions of children (especially white males) are being drugged after being labeled with bogus diseases. Every pro-white activist should be aware of what Big Pharma is doing to our brightest kids in North America.

    @ Richard,

    Thanks for your kind words above.

  102. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Vlad Writes:
    Fat and Happy! Sad, ain’t it? Welcome back.

  103. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Perhaps, drugs do have an effect or act as a trigger. That is still a biological cause. I certainly agree that there is a lot we don’t know.

  104. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 6:29 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    No, it is based on observation. One of my sons was very sensitive to sugar. It had no observable effect on his brothers. If he had a piece of birthday cake one could watch the physical effect. He turned into a dynamo, barely capable of stillness, for perhaps fifteen to twenty minutes. I am sure that today he would be diagnosed with ADD or somesuch nonsense. In fact he is simply a high energy person. Is that nature or nurture?

    You may be right, or it may be demons. The far more likely explanation for such a radical and debilitating illness as schizophrenia is a biological one, much like the changes we observe when various substances have been consumed. Common sense observation may not be science but it is not brainwashing either.

  105. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 14, 2012 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi Alice

    Thanks for the response; wise, as usual. I want to write a quick reply to a couple things you wrote.

    “If you have a high opinion of Chechar’s work, I will certainly try to read him with a more open mind.”

    I doubt I’ve read all or most of Chechar’s writing on this subject. I should have been clearer about that in my previous comment.

    “I have personally known two people who were nice, ordinary, well-adjusted people from good-enough families, with very healthy siblings, who were stricken, in their twenties, with schizophrenia. The dramatic change which took place ruined their lives and was clearly beyond their control.”

    Did they use drugs, maybe in college? I know that drug use can do things like that. And even a lot of clean-cut young adults use drugs, especially in college when many of their friends are “experimenting” with mind-altering substances.

    Some people have horrible experiences or “bad trips” where they enter some kind of hellish, demonic dimension that sober people can’t see or imagine. And it’s not uncommon for those experiences to cause long-lasting damage.

    It’s well-documented that even a so-called “soft drug” like marijuana (which can actually be extremely potent) can trigger the effects of schizophrenia.

    There are lots of articles on the subject.

    Anyway, I just thought I’d mention that.

    Have a good weekend.

  106. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    October 14, 2012 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Our pathology, insofar as it explains letting other races overrun our majority, was completely on display this weekend at the State Fair of Texas, where I went on a vacation in Dallas. 90% of the youngsters were not white, and almost everyone there was fat. Not only were they fat, they gorged themselves on the most imaginatively fried and sugary concoctions, with their bellies hanging out, and were not the least embarassed. If this bunch is going to help us solve all the world’s problems while simultaneously fighting the asians in the business world, I can’t see it.

  107. October 14, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    …the far more likely [biological] cause for something as enduring as schizophrenia.

    Your belief in biopsychiatry is as sound as the common belief that race is a social construct. Don’t you realize that the System has been brainwashing us with astronomic lies for the last decades? (race studies & psychiatry—just two of many others fields of deceit).

  108. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 5:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    Sorry, I never said that abusive parents may not damage a child.

  109. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    Careful, casually tossing around loaded terms like that will not win you more credibility. I never sad that severely abusive parents may produce a damaged child. That is not the same as the radical, dramatic change one observers is schizophrenics. One does not preclude the other.

  110. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    No, I do not have to do anything. No I have not seen the movie, nor am I inclined to allow movies to determine my views on life. I do not doubt that evil people can drive one into a state resembling madness, that does not rule out the far more likely cause for something as enduring as schizophrenia.

  111. October 14, 2012 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I have personally known two people who were nice, ordinary, well-adjusted people from good-enough families, with very healthy siblings, who were stricken, in their twenties, with schizophrenia. The dramatic change which took place ruined their lives and was clearly beyond their control. It was heartbreaking, and there is no reason not to believe it had a biological cause.

    Have you seen Scott Hicks’ film Shine? I mention a movie since you still have to read a couple of my papers and you haven’t (“admit to a certain prejudice since he treated us to a dreadful…”).

    Shine, that won an Oscar on best actor in 1996 and was based on the real life of a young Australian pianist, shows that there is reason not to believe the pianist’ schizo breakdown had a biological cause.

    His abusive father drove him mad.

  112. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 5:12 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Hi Richard, as always, thanks for your kind words. If you have a high opinion of Chechar’s work, I will certainly try to read him with a more open mind. I admit to a certain prejudice since he treated us to a dreadful short story at Christmas time about white male revenge.

    I agree with most of what you say. It is certainly true that there are many people who use real or imagined illnesses, both psychological and physical, to victimize others. I think we are a product of both nature and nurture. Anyone who has ever reared and trained a puppy can see that. We are also human beings capable of transcending our inclinations and even passions. A huge part of our problem as a society is that we have abandoned sensible, traditional understandings of both the importance of real, attached, hands on mothering and the role of both father and mother in the serious business of character building. It has such a fussy, old fashioned sound that we have forgotten that it actually takes a lot of work to help an ordinary human being to become a decent adult, capable of self-control and concern for others. It not only draws clear lines between the acceptable and unacceptable behavior, it enforces the concept that we do impact others in our interactions and teaches skills for controlling ourselves, over the course of a lifetime. Now, if our children inconvenience us we prefer to drug them.

    None of the above, however, rules out the common sense observation that for some people, mental illness can be comparatively sudden and turn people into something we hardly recognize. I have personally known two people who were nice, ordinary, well-adjusted people from good-enough families, with very healthy siblings, who were stricken, in their twenties, with schizophrenia. The dramatic change which took place ruined their lives and was clearly beyond their control. It was heartbreaking, and there is no reason not to believe it had a biological cause.

  113. October 14, 2012 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I would be the last person to undermine the importance of maternal love and care. It is clearly a major factor in many personality and character disorders. I also certainly agree that there have been horrible abuses in the psychiatric industry.

    Sounds reasonable…

    However, I find your explanation of schizophrenia as cruel and baseless as the old model of the refrigerator mother.

    But this sounds a little “schizophrenic” not in the sense as the shrinks use the term, but as the layman does: it seems to contradict the pervious, reasonable statement.

    What’s cruel with telling that extremely abusive parents may drive their children mad? It’s just a clinical observation of those who work with the trauma model.

  114. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    i would be the last person to undermine the importance of maternal love and care. It is clearly a major factor in many personality and character disorders. I also certainly agree that there have been horrible abuses in the psychiatric industry. However, I find your explanation of schizophrenia as cruel and baseless as the old model of the refrigerator mother.

  115. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 14, 2012 - 4:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi Alice

    I agree with your comments most of the time. But not here.

    “I am saying that to any intelligent observer it is clear that the victim is not in control, personality, character, morality even intelligence undergo dramatic changes.”

    I know some people who claim to have “mental illness” and they are the victimizers more than victims.

    I mostly agree with Chechar (and really appreciate his effort in this area.)

    Of course, I think some so-called mental illness, such as alzheimer’s, is caused by problems in the physical brain.

    But I know some immoral people who seem to love their “mental illness” label and use it to take advantage of others.

    (“Bi-polar disorder” is popular at the moment.)

    There’s way too much money involved (billions of dollars) in the so-called mental health care industry.

    That’s one of the reasons I’m skeptical of any emerging studies that might suggest that most “mental illness” is biological.

    We all have some degree of “mental illness”, I think. We all are a little “bi-polar” and/or “depressed”, etc.

    Having said that, I want to say that I really liked some of your comments on this this thread from a day or two ago. They were great.

  116. October 14, 2012 - 4:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Although I cannot discount demons, I am inclined to a biological cause. What is your explanation, in brief, please?

    The biological-cause hypothesis (“medical model”) has been debunked by several lines of research. The most parsimonious hypothesis is the trauma model of mental disorders. See the Wikipedia article under that title (I wrote it).

    In a nutshell: extremely abusive parenting may cause mental disorders. See what psychiatrist Colin Ross (whom I’ve met personally) says on this very subject.

  117. George Herouvis's Gravatar George Herouvis
    October 14, 2012 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    When European Man is no more, so too will all man perish from the earth: for the sheep cannot thrive through winter’s harshness wanting for the Shepherd.

  118. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    Now you are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that to any intelligent observer it is clear that the victim is not in control, personality, character, morality even intelligence undergo dramatic changes. Although I cannot discount demons, I am inclined to a biological cause. What is your explanation, in brief, please?

  119. October 14, 2012 - 3:20 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    It’s not as simple as that. Is Darwinian Natural Selection falsifiable? What about in 1880, was it falsifiable then?

    Falsifiability is not the only criterion that shows that biopsych is a false science. We got Occam’s razor too. Again, read my paper!

    As it happens the biochemical reality of mental illnesses are in the process of being revealed.

    “…are in the process of being revealed” Really? That’s exactly the sort of excuse I’ve debunked in my writing. The fact is that biopsychiatrists have been saying that the somatogenic proof of mental disorders is just around the corner—for a hundred years!

    We’re in that stage of science right now.

    Are you a shrink btw?

  120. October 14, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    We need not read Michel Foucault or Chechar’s paper to know that race does exist nor that some people really are crazy.

    I have NEVER said that some people really aren’t crazy. Don’t  put words in my mouth please!

    Anyone who has known someone before and after they have been smitten with schizophrenia recognizes that there is either a biological cause or they have been infested with demons.

    So are you saying that those smitten by schizo have run biomedical tests that demonstrate the biological basis or their disorder? Really?

  121. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 14, 2012 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    @Connor McNessa:

    “Jews are disproportionately represented in these movements but there are huge numbers of White elites (elitists) who support such things.”

    They support these things because that’s what the jews who run the institutions tell them to support. Whites have no autonomy; they take orders from the jews, and if they don’t they get punished.

  122. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 2:31 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:
    Stick to your guns, Mickey. We need not read Michel Foucault or Chechar’s paper to know that race does exist nor that some people really are crazy. Anyone who has known someone before and after they have been smitten with schizophrenia recognizes that there is either a biological cause or they have been infested with demons. The fact that the entire field is still in infancy and has been grossly misused does not negate that.

  123. October 14, 2012 - 2:26 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    I can tell you how I came to reject Christian Zionism. I was raised a Lutheran, in a time before the Lutheran Church split and began singing mass. The message was simple and straight forward:
    - The Old Testament was the old covenant with G_d. The Jews broke the covenant.
    - G_d created a new covenant with those that would follow the Christ. The New Testament is new covenant. Christians are G_d’s chosen people.

    Why, as a Christian (as nominal as that may be), would any thinking person believe that “the Jews” were “chosen”? Believing that equates to worshipping “Jews” not G_d.

    When asked, by the born again loonies, whether i was prepared to take Jesus into my heart, my answer has always been that he never left. It has yet to leave them wondering what to say.

  124. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “You are writing this because you still haven’t read my paper. I had in mind the litmus test to distinguish science from pseudoscience: falsifiability.”

    It’s not as simple as that. Is Darwinian Natural Selection falsifiable? What about in 1880, was it falsifiable then?

    Science relies upon falsification but on many different levels. It is enough that a particular line of enquiry is making progress, because inherent within that, is that falsification can arise later on out of that progress.

    These are really deep, heavy, things you are touching on here. It isn’t simple. This is stuff people have been arguing about since the advent of science.

    As it happens the biochemical reality of mental illnesses are in the process of being revealed. We’re in that stage of science right now. In your man’s day, we weren’t. And as it is turning out, he was wrong about the basis of much mental illness. And that can be said, despite the very real complexities and subtleties. Sometimes people who are labeled abnormal because they don’t conform to the expectations and prejudices of society etc etc.

    All true. But whose ‘society’ and ‘norms’ was he talking about? Ours. Not his tribes, but ours.

  125. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    sorry about that…I got you confused with someone else on the libertarian thing :O)

  126. October 14, 2012 - 1:18 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    It isn’t unscientific to presume mental disorders have a physical biochemical reality.

    You are writing this because you still haven’t read my paper. I had in mind the litmus test to distinguish science from pseudoscience: falsifiability.

    You love libertarianism Chechar.

    Where did you get that crazy idea Mickey? Haven’t you read my blog?

  127. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    p.s. one of the hostile movements that your man’s work is being used to back up, involves the claim that human beings are equal exchangeable units. That only ideas differ. And so us europeans shouldn’t worry about being replaced by other peoples, because we’re all the same…we only have to pass on our ideas and all will be good. And so, anyway, we don’t even exist as a distinct people because it’s all about ideas. And so on and so on. None of this is applied in Israel or withing the Jewish community, it goes without saying.

  128. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 1:13 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “You are still trying to Judaize this discussion. I would recommend reading my paper before continuing to discuss.”

    It matters that he was Jewish. Not because I want it matter, but because of the actions of Jewish culture with Western society.

    It also matters that he is being revived and glorified primarily by Jewish intellectuals who are constructing or converting intellectual movemenst that are entirely hostile to traditional western people.

    You love libertarianism Chechar. Despite the fact we’re in a group level conflict, you love the idea that we should be no more than individual level vehicles. You promote ideas that would see us showing up to a gunfight with knuckledusters. If that.

  129. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    It isn’t unscientific to presume mental disorders have a physical biochemical reality. That’s a contextual version of the starting assumption across the sciences…right across the board.

    Let me ask you something. Should differences in measured IQ be assumed to have a biochemical inherited underpinning, despite the fact we don’t know what that underpinning is?

    Does it undermine that assumption if we then find that in fact the biochemical underpinning is about 80% with 20% having some environmental cause?

    In one of your man’s examples, he argues that schizophrenia can only have a biochemical underpinning if it can be detected by, say, looking at the brain of someone who had schizophrenia before dying.

    Can you not see how stupid this is, in scientific terms?

  130. October 14, 2012 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Dude…science was born pretty much out of alchemy.

    You are missing the point. What critics of biopsych have been saying is that there are sciences (physics, biology, geology) and pseudosciences (phrenology and Lysenko-Michurinism), and that biopsych belongs to this later category of biological pseudosciences.

    You can never convert a pseudoscience to a real science since its central hypothesis is unscientific (e.g., agricultural genetics would never work in the Soviet Union however hard Lysenko and his comrades tried).

    Exactly the same goes with psychiatry. It will never work because its central hypothesis—“mental disorders are biomedical entities”—is unscientific.

    Should I be trusted as a judge of Jewish culture and history? Trusted by them, the Jews, I mean?

    You are still trying to Judaize this discussion. I would recommend reading my paper before continuing to discuss.

  131. October 14, 2012 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:

    1. You, your family and your extended family, the White people’s fertility is the first morality.

    2. All the other moralities come later.

    White interests and White fertility should always triumph over other distractions and trivialities and entrapments laid by the blood sucking Jew.

    Any word, any thought, any action which advances White fertility should be preferred over all other thoughts, words and actions.

  132. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 12:28 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “psychiatry was born as a fraudulent science.”

    Dude…science was born pretty much out of alchemy. Foundations don’t matter so much in an evolutionary system.

    Surgery and medicine were born out of little more than witchcraft.

    But they came into being. Became more than their beginnings. Psychiatry is no different in this regard. All your man does is focus on the worst aspects, and ignore the best.

    The science of psychology – and I’m talking about the practices of some of our best scientists not the frauds – came out of some godawful immoral experiments on human beings.

    You know, in the wrong hands, in unsympathetic hands, every aspect of Western history and cultural can be trashed. And guess, has been trashed.

    What you’re saying to me concludes with appeals to authority how many books you’ve read by this guy. What I’m saying to you is, not everyone deserves to be read. Not when they are pre-disqualified for a higher reason.

    No group, none, can be trusted with the precious jewels and soft underbelly of another group. If you like, just look at how unsympathetically I am willing to be toward their culture. Should I be trusted as a judge of Jewish culture and history? Trusted by them, the Jews, I mean?

    They wouldn’t let me, or you, near their culture and history. So why do you even consider letting them near ours? Given all that we know, all that we now know that they, once given the keys to our culture, have done to us.

  133. October 14, 2012 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Psychiatry was a young, emergent science, with lots of mistakes and bad ideas floating around within it. But then it was hijacked from both ends by what would go on to become our ruling hostile elite.

    Another gentile, Michel Foucault, wrote an historical classic showing that psychiatry was born in 1656 with an edict by Louis XIV to incarcerate hundreds of mentally healthy, though downtrodden, people: prostitutes, homos, homeless and even freethinkers, blasphemers and other open dissidents of the status quo. In other words, according to Foucault (and Szasz) psychiatry was born as a fraudulent science.

    He actually denied the existence of mental illnesses, and argued that individual responsibility and consent should be at the centre of everything. 
Just more mad unworkable nonsense that serves only to confuse and undermine.

    What Szasz accurately pointed out is that “mental illness” is a metaphor, and that as a biomedical entity it’s a myth. What really was “unworkable nonsense” was bio-psychiatrists’ dogma that mental disorders must have, perforce and without no biomarkers at all, a somatic etiology

    Westerners would have worked out a good science of psychiatry just as they had all the other sciences.

    You really haven’t read my paper, Have you?

    By the by, I have read 10 Szasz books. How many have you read?

  134. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 11:38 am | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    Psychiatry was a young, emergent science, with lots of mistakes and bad ideas floating around within it.

    But then it was hijacked from both ends by what would go on to become our ruling hostile elite. I didn’t misrepresent the guy….he didn’t just complain about bad ideas and policies in psychiatry…he actually denied the existence of mental illnesses, and argued that individual responsibility and consent should be at the centre of everything.
    Just more mad unworkable nonsense that serves only to confuse and undermine.
    Westerners would have worked out a good science of psychiatry just as they had all the other sciences. Just imagine if the scientific realities of race and intelligence had been accepted instead of undermined…..80 years ago. Just imagine a world truly without mental illness.

  135. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 14, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    @Luke:
    Very interesting comment, Luke. I certainly agree that we must not allow ourselves to be snookered again. However, we must also reject the notion that we are powerless against an insurmountable foe. Jews have always infiltrated and used white organizations – it is long past time we did the same.

    I certainly agree that our opponents have used our best qualities against us. We must not forget that we are capable of overcoming our first instinctive impulse. Taki’s Magazine has a good article about Joe Sobran this month. In it he is quoted as saying:

    To suggest that white men are unique in their residue of tribalism is to get everything backward. We are really distinguished by the extent to which we cherish the human capacity for transcendence.

    It may be that this is a white rather than human capacity. We can overcome this by being as relentless as an act of will as Jews are by nature. If we all examine our personal lives, we will find that our interests other than White Loyalty are very likely to be implicitly white. We must become active in such organizations and use our influence to introduce ideas which are not PC. Not by loudly announcing what idiots and fools we all our, unless we can do so with humor and wit, but by exploiting the implicit whiteness in each group. I, for instance, am interested and active in local foods, sustainability, local and traditional folk arts and historical societies. None of these groups are openly pro-white, but all are almost entirely white by default. We must stop waiting for the Great White Hope and begin where we are. Gently, tactfully and wisely. It really is up to us, all of us.

  136. October 14, 2012 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    You are completely and absolutely misrepresenting Szasz (whose critique is similar to the critique of many other professionals, including gentiles, that found out that psychiatry is a pseudoscience).

    In a nutshell, mental illness is a metaphor for disturbed people. The big lie in Big Pharma’s biological psychiatry is that, without biomarkers, they are drugging millions of children and adults by means of claiming that they suffer from a biomedical condition.

    The truth is that mental disorders have no known somatogenic etiology.

    Criticism of psychiatry predates Szasz for a long, long time—the first one, none other than Daniel Defoe in the 18th century. Today the foremost critic of psychiatry is another gentile, Robert Whitaker.

    Forget Szasz if you want. That biopsychiatry is a pseudoscience has been known for a long, long time. If you want to know the details of what such criticism really is, take a look at my own paper: “Unfalsifiability in psychiatry and licit drugging of white children”.

    I spent years of research to be able to write it.

  137. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 8:42 am | Permalink

    @Connor McNessa:

    A rational movement (for the good of the people) can have many roots. But one that is irrational (for the ill of the people) must trace back to one bad root.

    Why? Because it’s irrational..it’s anti-truth, anti-nature, anti-descendents, betrayal of ancesters. In other words, it doesn’t come about naturally, so can’t have many roots.

  138. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 14, 2012 - 8:28 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    I respect your knowledge and POV, but isn’t it the case there will loyal White folk making similar exceptions for socialist thinkers, or Ayn Rand style thinkers, or libertarian thinkers, or indeed cultural marxist thinkers, all according to their personal preferences and sympathies.
    What all those movements had in common, with Szasz’s work being no exception, is that of taking everything to extremes. This is something that is only possible when dealing with things that one does not care about.
    The other commonality is that of anti-science. Szasz argued that mental illness does not exist. Does not exist. That the brain was not an organ like the others, and could not be diseased. He argued that people needed to be responsible for their mental state in all situations. He attacked psychiatry – not psychotherapy.
    These extremes would not have helped the mentally ill and would have heaped yet more disaster on Western society by robbing it of the means to think about, talk about, analyse and deal with, mental illness. It would have caused far more suffering than the admittedly barbarous conduct of psychiatry in times gone by (but then again, wasn’t the origins of surgery little better than butchery?)

  139. White Prime412's Gravatar White Prime412
    October 14, 2012 - 4:08 am | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert:
    ‘The weakness of Whites doesn’ t consist of virtues only, there are a lot of vices involved too. Aggressiveness, materialism and greed are definitely part of it. I characterize the white race as a race with too many vices and too many virtues. The solution is to become more moderate in both.’

    That is a good point and I would add that some Ancient Whites appeared to have understood this, particularly Aristotle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean_(philosophy)#Aristotle

    @Richard:
    ‘And I was thinking maybe it has something to do with their religion. I’m not very familiar with Islam, but doesn’t it reject feminism?’

    Most sects of Islam certainly reject most forms of feminism. Look at all the women who have to dress very modestly for example.

    ‘And if it does reject it, maybe that is a major reason why Jews don’t have much control over Muslims.’

    There are two reasons for this in my mind:

    1.) Islam has a built in defense against Jewry due to several anti-Jew quotes in their religious texts, particularly the Hadiths.

    ‘Maybe White people are too enlightened for their own good.

    Maybe not.

    (“Feminism” is a broad term, and it’s possible that I support some things about it. I haven’t studied it enough to know for sure, though.)’

    Well its a big topic so it is difficult to get a handle on. When I think of Feminism I think of what is known as ’3rd wave feminism’. This is like stuff one sees in ‘Sex in the City’ tv show. Women are great and can do anything, be highly promiscious and that is alright, and Men are basically just dirt, there to pay for dinner and drinks, and then finally pay alimony after a profitable ‘divorce’. Yuck.

  140. Connor McNessa's Gravatar Connor McNessa
    October 14, 2012 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    @fender
    “Let me ask you this: without the the jews would we have

    1. An open border with Mexico
    2. A disregard for race realism in academia
    3. Non-White immigration into Europe
    4. Race-mixing propaganda in the media
    5. A political system that is hostile to Whites
    6. Unconditional support for Israel”
    The answer is yes. Jews are disproportionately represented in these movements but there are huge numbers of White elites (elitists) who support such things. How about the entire Royal Institute of Interantional Affairs, Chatham House, The CFR, Bilderbergers, all of the liberal Whites in Hollywood, the Skull & Bones society (mostly White), Clintons, Bushes, et. al. Until people put their foot down, White elites will also promote these things and would without Jewish influence. I haven’t seen people put their foot down.

  141. Connor McNessa's Gravatar Connor McNessa
    October 14, 2012 - 3:18 am | Permalink

    @flavia
    You make some good points about NW European morality (and the universality of treating distant groups as if they were relatives and of not placing kinship first). I agree with you wholeheartedly except to say that NW Eur. Americans are not all like that. But a seemingly small but actually important point is that Anti-establishment is good. IT IS THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT WISHES TO PROMOTE NON WESTERN VALUES AND NON WESTERN PEOPLES AND TO ATTACK WHITES. [Capitals for emphasis, not anger] 60s radicals, hippies, love children or whatever you want to call them thought that they were anti-establishment but their entire program WAS the establishment program. The establishment supports the entire program that we oppose.

  142. Connor McNessa's Gravatar Connor McNessa
    October 14, 2012 - 3:09 am | Permalink

    @Darth Vader
    Some East Coast people sometimes assume that the whole country is like them or they just don’t know anything about the rest of the country. The East Coast is a lot different than the West, ethnically and in many other ways, at least different than the Inland West. The Irish people in the West are proud to be Irish, too, but the White ethnic groups are less segregated and have less rivalries than on the East Coast. The White people of the Inland West and most of the Midwest are less Mediterranean, too. The West does not have such large numbers of Italians, Greeks, Jews (nominally Mediterranean in a sense), Portuguese, and other Mediterranean folk as the East Coast. The Whites in the Inland West are more German, English, Scottish, Irish, Scots-Irish, Scandinavian, and mixtures of these groups. Much of the East Coast White ancestry is from the Mediterranean, in the West and much of the Midwest it is from the North and Baltic seas. Chicago is different of course, it has all of the East Coast groups in abundance and also Baltic and Slavic groups, Germans, and Scandinavians. There is much less rivalry between these White groups in the West than, say, the rivalry between Irish and Italians in the East. The West has a far different culture. California is another matter, of course, and has a very different culture from the Inland West. In a nutshell, the West is traditionally less classist, more egalitarian, less formal, and less rivalry prone among White groups than the East.

  143. Random's Gravatar Random
    October 14, 2012 - 1:11 am | Permalink

    I’ll be more interested in reading about how “White pathology” is the cause of our problems when we live in a society where Whites, and not jews, run the media and the financial system.

  144. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 14, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @Luke: I hate that some comments appear, but do so truncated by the moderator. The banner motto is a little rich, given the highly circumscribed editorial policy:
    There is not a truth existing which I fear… or would wish unknown to the whole world.

  145. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 13, 2012 - 11:25 pm | Permalink

    @Fender
    I totally agree with what you say. What I’m trying to get at is how do we fight them?
    What concrete ideas have we?
    I say we go after our Israeli policy first.

  146. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 10:02 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:

    All of their intellect goes towards levelling and cultural destruction. The same way that some military geniuses conquer and build (Alexander) while others conquer and ravage (Genghis Khan), certain forms of intelligence are used to improve the world (European) while others are used to manipulate and wreck it (Semitic).

    Sigmund Freud. Smart guy? Technically. But do his ideas and speculations have any value? No. MacDonald’s been over this. Jewish intellectual movements are based on their “jewishness” (i.e. falsehood) as opposed to their relation with reality.

    That’s why the nuclear bomb is the ultimate jewish creation, the ultimate leveller. It does physically what most jewish creations only do intellectually and psychologically. In that regard it’s their first- and only- honest weapon.

  147. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    October 13, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Some have, but I quickly learned how to post a comment and make the points I wanted to make and make my references to we know who more indirect, while at the same time – knowing that 99% of the readers of that site were savvy enough understand who I was referring to.

  148. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 13, 2012 - 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Jews are smarter than Whites its unfortunate for us whites but thats the way it is. The Germans chased Einstien & other
    scientists out of Europe. Lucky for us stupid whites they did.
    I’m pretty sure that most of the scientists that made the Atomic bomb were jewish.
    Why I mention this is the Jew is going to be a tough nut to crack. He’s been doing his thing for a few thousand years.

  149. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Peters:

    My hope is that Whites cease to be weak and start to be strong, courageous and aristocratic (not in the monetary sense). My hope is that we develop a distinct love of strength and hatred of weakness.

    @Marcy Fleming:

    “Israel is a very small Sparta”

    Hah! Hilarious, yenta. Sparta didn’t build its greatness on its ability to swindle endless amounts amount of money and support from other nations. The Israeli idea of bravery is executing some uneducated, homeless Palestinian kid driving a 1984 Buick. But the moment a semi-worthy adversary comes along (Iran) the jews scream for help from their dumb American “allies.”

    Spartans would fight the war themselves, completely indifferent to their own survival. For Spartans true glory was found only in death. The Jews are the opposite; they hate death. That’s why they think of themselves as “eternal.” A jew is only brave and courageous when A) he has tons of people on his side (that he’s swindled into an alliance from which only he profits) and B) he knows he can get away with it.

    Can we actually imagine a bunch of jews fighting the Persians at Thermopylae? They’d all be complaining of back pain and how much their feet hurt after that long march. “Why didn’t we get the goyim to carry us? That’s what they’re there for!”

    Oh, but the Six Day War was very impressive. The footage of the Israelis with their American-made Shermans, their French-made Dassaults, and their British-made Brownings was amazing. It’s so inspiring to see such an isolated nation defeat its opponents using only its own will and resources. And especially going up against the dizzying might of the armies of Syria, Egypt and Jordan! The Russians must have had a good laugh watching those Arab knuckleheads find out the crappy tanks they sold them couldn’t turn left or right.

    Whatever. Sooner or later ol’ Moshe and Shlomo are going to simultaneously turn those keys and then push that little red button with a star of david on it to send all their nukes flying across the world in one final act of heroic jewishness. The final, ultimate jewing of humanity. I can’t wait.

  150. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    October 13, 2012 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Can you blame the fish in a fishtank for their behaviour if someone outside the fishtank is continuously pouring alcohol into the fishtank?

    Very nice- somebody here didn’t drink the sauce or the Kool-Aid.

    We are being killed by something akin to carbon monoxide- just fading away with no pain. This “carbon monoxide” didn’t just appear out of the blue.

    What did David Rockefeller say about 20 years ago? “Without your (Mass Media) help we could not have succeeded.”

    Our problem is monopoly:

    1) Information monopoly
    2) Money monopoly

    Smart people with balls of steel will succumb to those with baals of steal.

  151. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Have your comments been blocked at AmRen, or do you deduce the finessing by what has got through moderation?

  152. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 13, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @Tom:
    I certainly understand that there has been very good reason to challenge the corruptions which existed in the Catholic Church, all power structures both corrupt and attract the corrupted. I have great sympathy for reformers who decided that each believer was capable of using the Bible alone to guide him. However, we have a serious problem as a result of this approach. As we all know, the Bible is simply not clear and has many apparent contradictions. Glance around you and you will see the inevitable consequence of Protestantism. I am not suggesting that Catholicism is perfect, far from it. Catholics have, however, tried very, very hard to avoid making quick, foolish decisions based on short term circumstances. It is absolutely incontestable that we would be in much better shape if we had all adhered to the traditional teaching on birth control. We have all played our part in this farce.

  153. Peters's Gravatar Peters
    October 13, 2012 - 7:00 pm | Permalink

    @fender
    If the whites as a group are indeed as stupid, why would you want them/us to survive? What do you personally get out of it? What do you think the world gains, assuming that is of importance to you? If the whites as a group are indeed as stupid, then this is a doomed fight for us. We cannot make the race less individualistic. If we could, these would no longer be whites. And if we cannot, they/we are doomed in the globalistic world.

  154. Marcy Fleming's Gravatar Marcy Fleming
    October 13, 2012 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Szasz strongly opposed Zionism and the whole way that Israel was established. Israel is a very small Sparta where you have all your enemies in your face 24/7. I found it tolerable if you don’t get involved in politics there and if you stay no more than two years and if you ignore the ‘holohoax’ nonsense on stilts and if you stay out of Jerusalem where the religious crazies of the three major faiths congregate.
    I avoided Ashkenazim men there like the plague.
    There are a few Szaszians and Randians and Rothbardians in Israel but it’s mostly Religious Right lunatics as most of the original Bolshevik founders have died off.

  155. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 13, 2012 - 6:38 pm | Permalink

    @White Prime412:

    “Wow 117 posts and no explicit mention of the pathology known as feminism?”

    Under the “Brief Journey to Sweden” article, Chechar asks why Muslims seem to be immune to Jewish tactics.

    And I was thinking maybe it has something to do with their religion. I’m not very familiar with Islam, but doesn’t it reject feminism?

    And if it does reject it, maybe that is a major reason why Jews don’t have much control over Muslims.

    Maybe White people are too enlightened for their own good.

    Maybe not.

    (“Feminism” is a broad term, and it’s possible that I support some things about it. I haven’t studied it enough to know for sure, though.)

  156. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Sadly, I think you’re quite right. I don’t think there can be any doubt that comment moderation policies do not change organically, all the more now that the stakes are so high, with the winners and losers so sharply outlined.

  157. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 13, 2012 - 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “Without the the jews would we have an open border with Mexico?”

    I don’t think it’s possible to know.

    But my guess is that it’s possible we would still have a relatively open border with Mexico.

    A lot of White business men insist on using cheap labor.

  158. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 13, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows: I’m inclined to go with Chechar here, Mickey. The primary institution that the late Thomas Szasz (RIP) spent most of his life attacking is the Jewish-controlled psychiatry racket. Since that has been one of the prime organs of Jewish subversion of white Christian culture here and in Europe, Szasz needs to be cut some slack.

    As I see it, Szasz has done our side far more good, than, say, Gilad Atzmon, who is undoubtedly another honest man. Indeed, since Jewish control is predicated on dishonesty, all who serve the cause of truth help us, whatever their conscious intention.

  159. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    it involves interruption of normal brain development [ 20 ] and subsequent interference in the way a human being perceives and is able to react to the environment.
    Just a few of the many side effects of fluoride, when ingested:(citation below)
    “Behavioral disruption, indicative of motor dysfunction, IQ deficits and/or learning disabilities, generic behavioral pattern disruption, thought process dysfunction, intelligence deficits”

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/effects_of_fluoride.htm

  160. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 13, 2012 - 4:39 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    You can be a cultural marxist and a libertarian…or a Jew can. And hate Whites to boot. Without knowing it. Tom Szasz was attacking a Western institution. Sure he may be have been right about this or that point, but the motive is always the same. There are no Tom Szasz’s in Israel.

  161. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I’m a woman. It feels odd being addressed otherwise ;) My name is Amy.
    Chechar
    “Didn’t this “fluoridation” thing is the same conspiracy theory”

    From the National Cancer Institution:
    “More than 60 percent of the U.S. population has fluoridated water through public water supply systems.”

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/fluoridated-water

    “Are you blaming the tribe for the “folly, willful ignorance, laziness, greed, irresponsibility, and moral timidity” that whites indulged themselves after wielding the One Ring of greed and power (economics over race) that corrupted their souls?”

    Naturally, as I disagree with this assessment altogether, logically I can not place the blame of it on ANYONE.

    Barkingmad
    “Prozac™ (fluoxetine hydrochloride) is based on the fluoride molecule.”

    As are countless other medications, many of which are supposed psych meds. Not to mention the entire water supply for the majority of our nation. Citation above.

  162. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 3:55 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    I know. And I agree that this naivety is White in origin and not jewish, but without the nation-wreckers NO Whites would be so naive as to think that massive non-White immigration into their lands could possibly be a good thing.

  163. October 13, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Ditto. But I didn’t say it: it was Count Clermont-Tonnerre.

  164. October 13, 2012 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    Tom Szasz is not a cultural Marxist but a libertarian: one of the foremost critics of psychiatry.

    Der weiße Engel said here in TOO that the Jews infected us with psychoanalytic stuff but that, ironically, a few Jews also (like Szasz) provided the vaccine against the disease.

    Der weiße Engel has a point.

  165. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    What I meant by that last sentence was that all Whites believe the other races are just as individualistic as we are. They’re not. We’re literally the only individualistic race, and in a globalized world, that’s deadly for us.

  166. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    “The Jews should be denied everything as a nation, but granted everything as individuals. ”

    This statement doesn’t make sense, as the individual jew does not exist. Anyone who refers to himself as a jew belongs to the jewish tribal collective. This is so typical of Whites, believing that other races are all White on the inside.

  167. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 13, 2012 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Hi Amy

    (I hope you don’t mind if I call you that. If you do, please let me know.)

    “Reality shows are not “somewhat” scripted but entirely scripted.”

    I haven’t watched most so-called reality shows. But I think some of them allow and capture some natural, unscripted events.

    I do agree with you that the news is often used as anti-White propaganda, and some of it is not as real as it appears.

    @Franklin Ryckaert:

    Hi Franklin

    “These Reality TV Shows ( in some countries openly called Big Brother Shows ) are meant to accustom the public to live under the constant surveillance of the planned Big Brother State. Nearly all ” entertainment” nowadays is a form of calculated mind control.”

    I agree, but probably not 100%.

    I think profit is still a big reason why so-called reality shows are made. It’s not merely about social agendas.

    Compared to sitcoms such as Seinfeld or Friends, “reality shows” are relatively inexpensive to produce. At least that’s what I’ve read.

  168. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 13, 2012 - 3:32 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    lol – on your site you seem to place Tom Szasz on a pinnacele. A Jew, a cultural marxist no less.

  169. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    October 13, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Maybe it is their strategy for defense first and foremost, rather than just a plan for dividing.

    If you ever observe how the Jewish community acts with regards to politics you will probably find them asking all the time, “Is this good for the Jews?”

    “How is this good for the Jews?” they ask with regards to EVERYTHING.

    So, regarding Jared Taylor, American Renaissance has several Jews who are members of it. In fact David Duke was shouted down at a conference because he said something anti-Semitic in the presence of a Jewish member.

    I have a feeling that really the only way that Jews can actually defend themselves (since they don’t like confrontation) is by infiltration.

    Notice how they infiltrate everything that is bad for them (e.g., Emory university used to fail Jewish dental students because the president was an anti-Semite. I’m sure Jews have that place taken over like every other academic institution.)

    The Jews also were spies during the Cold War, viewing the Soviet Union as the good guys and the U.S. as the WASP bad guys, eventually spreading their Marxist views and Jewish influence all throughout the U.S.

    I’m am certain that if the Nazis weren’t so vehemently anti-Semitic with their policies of removing Jews, that the Jews would have even infiltrated the darn Nazi Party.

  170. October 13, 2012 - 3:21 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Oops. Awaiting moderation again. Let’s rephrase without “Naz*sm”:

    Without the Jews, Whites would be pretty cool right now. But I cannot assign the whole hundred percent of blame on them.

    The roots of this tragedy can be found, among others, in the French Revolution. Remember Count Clermont-Tonnerre who said in the French National Assembly in 1789: “The Jews should be denied everything as a nation, but granted everything as individuals. The existence of a nation within a nation is unacceptable to our country.”

    As a female blogger from Romania that I admire has said that the words of the Count, in the heated debate about granting citizenship to the tribe for the first time in history, were prophetic. If the Count and his camp had won, we wouldn’t have had Bolshevism, multiculturalism, immigration and political correctness. Common sense would have prevailed; the Gulag wouldn’t have existed. Like in Greek tragedies, the whole ordeal started with an error of cosmic proportions: in this case, the idea that a nation can survive with other nations (i.e. organized minorities with full rights) on its territory.

    In a nutshell, like Pierce I blame whites too. In this case, I blame the Jacobin faction that won after the Revolution–and their epigones.

  171. October 13, 2012 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Without the Jews, Whites would be pretty cool right now. But I cannot assign the whole hundred percent of blame on them.

    The roots of this tragedy can be found, among others, in the French Revolution. Remember Count Clermont-Tonnerre who said in the French National Assembly in 1789: “The Jews should be denied everything as a nation, but granted everything as individuals. The existence of a nation within a nation is unacceptable to our country.”

    As a female blogger from Romania that I admire has said that the words of the Count, in the heated debate about granting citizenship to the tribe for the first time in history, were prophetic. If the Count and his camp had won, we wouldn’t have had Bolshevism, Nazism, multiculturalism, immigration and political correctness. Common sense would have prevailed; the Gulag and Auschwitz wouldn’t have existed. Like in Greek tragedies, the whole ordeal started with an error of cosmic proportions: in this case, the idea that a nation can survive with other nations (i.e. organized minorities with full rights) on its territory.

    In a nutshell, like Pierce I blame whites too. In this case, I blame the Jacobin faction that won after the Revolution–and their epigones.

  172. Lew's Gravatar Lew
    October 13, 2012 - 3:17 pm | Permalink

    The pendulum has definitely swung. On reflection, it has been swinging for a while now. The problem in White circles used to be a tendency to disproportionately focus on Jews to the exclusion of other problems. Now, the problem is the exact opposite: the tendency to disproportionately blame Whites for these problems.

  173. October 13, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @Barkingmad:

    Well. I can wholeheartedly agree with that. In fact, I have a huge blog in Spanish criticizing the psychiatric drugs used for social control.

  174. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    I’m not familiar with the White Iberians so I won’t comment, but Greece and Rome were simply overrun by alien peoples and conquering armies. That’s much different from forced immigration.

    Let me ask you this: without the the jews would we have

    1. An open border with Mexico
    2. A disregard for race realism in academia
    3. Non-White immigration into Europe
    4. Race-mixing propaganda in the media
    5. A political system that is hostile to Whites
    6. Unconditional support for Israel

  175. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 13, 2012 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

    For me the blame game is over. Like what was said earlier the
    patient is on the operating table. The group has to discuss plans on how to get this malignant Jew infestation under control then removed. But plans & lots of them.
    We must use our “little grey cells” to throw ideas arround.

  176. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 13, 2012 - 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Prozac™ (fluoxetine hydrochloride) is based on the fluoride molecule.

  177. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 13, 2012 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

    @Mickey Meadows:

    p.s. I meant true words spoken about the psychological warfare that has enslaved our people. The chemical stuff I can’t comment about, save to say it looks a bit silly on several levels

  178. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    October 13, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Hear hear….truth spoken.
    Don’t worry, fender and the others agree and understand this deep down. They are just looking for ways of thinking, being and acting, that might somehow help to save their people.

  179. October 13, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Didn’t this “fluoridation” thing is the same conspiracy theory mentioned in that Peter Sellers Strangelove film when General Ripper asks the character played by Sellers what he thinks about the “fluoridation” in children’s ice creams?

    Are you blaming the tribe for the “folly, willful ignorance, laziness, greed, irresponsibility, and moral timidity” that whites indulged themselves after wielding the One Ring of greed and power (economics over race) that corrupted their souls?

    See Tom Sunic’s recent articles here at TOO to see what do I mean.

  180. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 13, 2012 - 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Pierce: “We must understand that our race is like a cancer patient undergoing drastic surgery in order to save his life.”

    Typical thinking that the medical industry has roped us in to – that a cancer tumour is The Problem. The reality is that there’s an ongoing, underlying body-wide pathology and the tumour is just the tip of the ice berg, a mere symptom. Cutting tumours out never “saved” anyone in any meaningful sense and it most certainly doesn’t promote true longterm health. The disease process still continues until some other, worse, illness takes over, and then the worms move in to clean up the mess once and for all. Same with the White race. Read what Filthy Goyim has to say about chemical poisoning. I think he’s on the right track.

  181. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Edit: last comment was on Chechar’s post.

  182. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    This is the second piece of (in my opinion) condemning and overall hopeless literature I’ve read in 24 hours. The purpose of promoting such negative and “well, you deserve it, dumb ass” ideas is questionable to me, and truth be told, inaccurate.
    Our people have been victims of global, evil, and powerful men who have used tools against us we can’t even comprehend. Psychological warfare that is effective on ALL mankind has left most of our people in a deep sleep, having been victims of brainwashing via techniques few, if any of can even imagine. Living under a Pathocracy, which has destroyed entire societies countless of times (even those with no Hummers and love for materialism) has essentially rendered many of our people mentally dysfunctional. Let us not forget the CHEMICAL warfare that has been launched upon us via fluoridation and countless other hidden agents we all are delivered involuntarily on a daily basis in order to keep us from fully functioning, but enough so as to work for the evil bastards that are slaughtering us.
    I do not remind us of these things to negate guilt, though one finds it hard to accept it while drooling from the effects the above tactics, but rather to point to the helpless state many of our people are in. They will need our compassion, our help. NOT CONDEMNATION and ridicule! Perhaps the reason we have been such utter failures OURSELVES at waking them is due to this self righteous and judgmental attitude towards them?

  183. October 13, 2012 - 2:12 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    If that’s true, how do you explain what I asked way, way above:

    How would you account that the White Iberians managed to destroy their ethnic pool in the American subcontinent by means of truly astronomical levels of mestization with Amerinds and Blacks while, at the same, zealously burning every Jew they found in the New World?

    Whites also ruined their gene pool in Greece and Rome—sans Jews. Read Arthur Kemp’s history of the white race. He arrived exactly to the same conclusion of William Pierce.

  184. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    B.S. Things like blame and responsibility have nothing to do with what’s happening here. Whites are brainwashed from birth until death; they CAN’T behave otherwise because they’ve never been conditioned to. They are incapable of thinking beyond the parameters established by the jew-controlled media and academia. Whites are living in Plato’s cave. It’s not that Whites are bad or good or reponsible or irresponsible, it’s that they’re slaves. Inferior weaklings. The last good Whites died in 1945.

  185. October 13, 2012 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Those who believe that whites are 100% innocent and that what is happening to the West is just the scheming of the tribe should read an hilarious passage of William Pierce’s great novel, The Turner Diaries.

    Quote:

    Then we formed the people into labor brigades to carry out a number of necessary functions, one of which was the sanitary disposal of the hundreds of corpses of refugees. The majority of these poor creatures were White, and I overheard one of our members refer to what happened to them as “a slaughter of the innocents.”

    I am not sure that is a correct description of the recent holocaust. I am sorry, of course, for the millions of White people, both here and in Russia, who died-and who have yet to die before we have finished—in this war to rid ourselves of the Jewish yoke. But innocents? I think not. Certainly, that term should not be applied to the majority of the adults.

    After all, is not man essentially responsible for his condition—at least, in a collective sense? If the White nations of the world had not allowed themselves to become subject to the Jew, to Jewish ideas, to the Jewish spirit, this war would not be necessary. We can hardly consider ourselves blameless. We can hardly say we had no choice, no chance to avoid the Jew’s snare. We can hardly say we were not warned.

    Men of wisdom, integrity, and courage have warned us over and over again of the consequences of our folly. And even after we were well down the Jewish primrose path, we had chance after chance to save ourselves—most recently 52 years ago, when the Germans and the Jews were locked in struggle for the mastery of central and eastern Europe.

    We ended up on the Jewish side in that struggle, primarily because we had chosen corrupt men as our leaders. And we had chosen corrupt leaders because we valued the wrong things in life. We had chosen leaders who promised us something for nothing; who pandered to our weaknesses and vices; who had nice stage personalities and pleasant smiles, but who were without character or scruple. We ignored the really important issues in our national life and gave free rein to a criminal System to conduct the affairs of our nation as it saw fit, so long as it kept us moderately well-supplied with bread and circuses.

    And are not folly, willful ignorance, laziness, greed, irresponsibility, and moral timidity as blameworthy as the most deliberate malice? Are not all our sins of omission to be counted against us as heavily as the Jew’s sins of commission…?

    I cannot think of any segment of White society, from the Maryland red-necks and their families whose radioactive bodies we bulldozed into a huge pit a few days ago to the university professors we strung up in Los Angeles last July, which can truly claim that it did not deserve what happened to it. It was not so many months ago that nearly all those who are wandering homeless and bemoaning their fate today were talking from the other side of their mouths.

    Not a few of our people have been badly roughed up in the past—and two that I know of were killed—when they fell into the hands of red-necks—”good ol’ boys” who, although not liberals or shabbos goyim in any way, had no use for “radicals” who wanted to “overthrow the gummint.” In their case it was sheer ignorance.

    But ignorance of that sort is no more excusable than the bleating, sheep like liberalism of the pseudo-intellectuals who have smugly promoted Jewish ideology for so many years; or than the selfishness and cowardice of the great American middle class who went along for the ride, complaining only when their pocketbooks suffered.

    No, talk of “innocents” has no meaning. We must look at our situation collectively, in a race-wide sense. We must understand that our race is like a cancer patient undergoing drastic surgery in order to save his life. There is no sense in asking whether the tissue being cut out now is “innocent” or not. That is no more reasonable than trying to distinguish the “good” Jews from the bad ones—or, as some of our thicker-skulled “good ol’ boys” still insist on trying, separating the “good n*ggers” from the rest of their race.

    The fact is that we are all responsible, as individuals, for the morals and the behavior of our race as a whole. There is no evading that responsibility.

    /end quote

  186. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    Reality shows are not “somewhat” scripted but entirely scripted. In fact, many of the same actors actually play a variety of different roles in the shows, changing their appearance and mannerisms drastically. Among these, sadly are many “witnesses” we see in “news” reports of whites committing “hate’ crimes, and Christians portrayed as ill educated and mentally disturbed Other agenda driven false reports such as mass shootings (of course by white assailants). These “reality” shows are nothing less than social engineering tools, used to propagandize and assault us psychologically.

    Trenchant
    What triggered my loss of faith in the media?
    Admittedly, I never fully accepted the propaganda presented me on a subconscious level, as it was introduced to me at a late stage. (I was in a foreign country during the foundational stage, specifically during 9/11 and the years following. However, the revelation of what I hadn’t accepted was insidiously being used and manipulated to present a different, false reality came as realized facts surrounding 9/11, Ron Paul’s popularity (politics in general) were wildly fabricated , moreover seeing whites and Christians blatantly negatively represented to the public.
    I suspect the “jews’ in power, feeling perhaps pressured to speed up the indoctrination of our nation, modified their normal rate at which they were propagandizing the nation and many, myself included, noticed the obvious.

    Tom
    :Are you involved in church politics?

    Sorry, no. In fact, I rarely attend services.

  187. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 13, 2012 - 1:27 pm | Permalink

    I call this a disaster:” Jew Owned Media” here’s a list.

    Mortimer Zuckerman – owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.

    Leslie Moonves – president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

    Jonathan Miller – chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

    Neil Shapiro – president of NBC News

    Jeff Gaspin – Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

    David Westin – president of ABC News

    Sumner Redstone – CEO of Viacom, “world’s biggest media giant” (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.

    Michael Eisner – major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

    Rupert Murdoch – Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother Elisabeth Joy Greene)

    Mel Karzamin – president of CBS

    Don Hewitt – Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

    Jeff Fager – Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

    David Poltrack – Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

    Sandy Krushow – Chair, Fox Entertainment

    Lloyd Braun – Chair, ABC Entertainment

    Barry Meyer – chair, Warner Bros.

    Sherry Lansing – President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures’ Motion Picture Group.

    Harvey Weinstein – CEO. Miramax Films.

    Brad Siegel – President, Turner Entertainment.

    Peter Chernin – second in-command at Rupert Murdoch’s News. Corp., owner of Fox TV

    Marty Peretz – owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his “mentor.”

    Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. – publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.

    William Safire – syndicated columnist for the NYT.

    Tom Friedman – syndicated columnist for the NYT.

    Charles Krauthammer – syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring “anti-Israel media.”

    Richard Cohen – syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

    Jeff Jacoby – syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

    Norman Ornstein – American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.

    Arie Fleishcer – Dubya’s press secretary.

    Stephen Emerson – every media outlet’s first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.

    David Schneiderman – owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of “alternative weeklies.”

    Dennis Leibowitz – head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund

    Kenneth Pollack – for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

    Barry Diller – chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment, CEO of 20th Century Fox and QVC

    Kenneth Roth – Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

    Richard Leibner – runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O’Reilly.

    Terry Semel – CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

    Mark Golin – VP and Creative Director, AOL

    Warren Lieberford – Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

    Jeffrey Zucker – President of NBC Entertainment

    Jack Myers – NBC, chief NYT 5.14.2

    Sandy Grushow – chair of Fox Entertainment

    Gail Berman – president of Fox Entertainment

    Stephen Spielberg – co-founder/owner of Dreamworks

    Jeffrey Katzenberg – co-founder/owner of Dreamworks, Disney

    David Geffen – co-owner of Dreamworks

    Lloyd Braun – chair of ABC Entertainment

    Jordan Levin – president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

    Max Mutchnick – co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

    David Kohan – co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

    Howard Stringer – chief of Sony Corp. of America

    Amy Pascal – chair of Columbia Pictures

    Joel Klein – chair and CEO of Bertelsmann’s American operations

    Robert Stillerman – founder of Clear Channel Communications

    Brian Graden – president of MTV entertainment

    Ivan Seidenberg – CEO of Verizon Communications

    Wolf Blitzer – host of CNN’s Late Edition

    Ted Koppel – host of ABC’s Nightline

    Andrea Koppel – CNN Reporter

    Paula Zahn – CNN Host

    Mike Wallace – Host of CBS 60 Minutes

    Barbara Walters – Host, ABC’s 20-20

    Michael Ledeen – editor of National Review

    Bruce Nussbaum – editorial page editor, Business Week

    Donald Graham – Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of

    Catherine Graham Meyer – former owner of the Washington Post

    Howard Fineman – Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

    William Kristol – Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
    Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

    Ron Rosenthal – Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

    Phil Bronstein – Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

    Ron Owens – Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

    John Rothman – Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

    Michael Savage – Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets

    Michael Medved – Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

    Dennis Prager – Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page.

    Ben Wattenberg – Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

    Andrew Lack – president of NBC

    Daniel Menaker – Executive Director, Harper Collins

    David Remnick – Editor, The New Yorker

    Nicholas Lehmann – writer, the New York

    Henrick Hertzberg – Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

    Samuel Newhouse Jr. and DONALD NEWHOUSE – owners of Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.

    Donald Newhouse – chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

    Peter R. Kann – CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron’s

    Ralph J. & Brian Roberts – Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

    Lawrence Kirshbaum – CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group

    Leonard Goldenson – president of ABC

    William S. Paley – Founder And CEO of CBS

    David Sarnoff – founder of NBC, general manager of RCA

    Laurence Tisch – CEO of CBS

    Herbert Allen, Jr. – CEO of entertainment investment house Allen & Company

    Edgar Bronfman Jr. – CEO of Seagram, Viacom

    Gerald Levin – Time Warner, CEO of HBO

    Michael Ovitz – president of Disney, founder of CAA

    Isaac Perlmutter – CEO of Marvel Entertainment

    Adolph Ochs – New York Times

    Jewish control looks pretty well underway.

  188. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 13, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Host:

    “How did you evolve from liberalism?”

    My belief that humanity will destroy itself from technology. My disbelief in technological progress soon led to my disbelief in progress in general; at least, progress as leftists see it.

    That set the stage for my political evolution. But the biggest turning point was when I discovered that jews were behind the bolshevik takeover of Russia and the subsequent atrocities. That was HUGE for me.

  189. Telemaco's Gravatar Telemaco
    October 13, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Luke, I also think the same, here in Europe also some suspect that.

    An article in the French magazine “Land and People” Aware of These influences, sorry the article is in French.

    http://www.terreetpeuple.com/terre-et-peuple-magazine/terre-et-peuple-magazine-n44-ete-2010/grandes-manoeuvres-juives-de-seduction-a-l-egard-de-l-extreme-droite-europeenne.html

  190. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 13, 2012 - 12:56 pm | Permalink

    @ Luke
    I’m afraid you’re 100% right. The promotion of Jared Taylor and his brand of Jew-friendly “White Nationalism” seems to be a classical controlled opposition ploy. Jews never make concessions out of goodness, because they don’ t have any goodness. Everything is calculation with these people.

    @ White Prime412
    The weakness of Whites doesn’ t consist of virtues only, there are a lot of vices involved too. Aggressiveness, materialism and greed are definitely part of it. I characterize the white race as a race with too many vices and too many virtues. The solution is to become more moderate in both.

    @ Richard
    These Reality TV Shows ( in some countries openly called Big Brother Shows ) are meant to accustom the public to live under the constant surveillance of the planned Big Brother State. Nearly all ” entertainment” nowadays is a form of calculated mind control.

  191. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    October 13, 2012 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    @flavia:

    Hi Flavia

    So-called “reality T.V. shows” are often somewhat fake, scripted, or influenced by the producers. I want to mention that just in case you or others are unaware of that fact.

    And I wonder about the kind of people who volunteer to have their lives (and the lives of their family members) recorded for millions of people to see.

  192. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 13, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    Much as we would all like to blame others, much of our current plight is based on the concept that it is better for ten guilty men to go free than to condemn one innocent man. An excellent example is on display this week. How many white people have abandoned public transport in order to avoid people like those in this video? How many such scenes must we tolerate in order to avoid offending a nice lady like Rosa Parks?

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/viral-video/cleveland-bus-punch-736901

  193. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 13, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    I used to hold the same position – until we were plagued with cell phones!

  194. White Prime412's Gravatar White Prime412
    October 13, 2012 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    Wow 117 posts and no explicit mention of the pathology known as feminism? Sadly this is something that afflicts at least 35-40% of the White Race (yes there are about 10-15% of White Women who are not hare-brained bra-burners, they are a distinct and welcome minority)

    Also didn’t see any mention of another White pathology: Warmongering! Think of all the European Wars. The 100 years war, the 30 years war.

    As someone who is half-German/ Barbarian and half-Norwegian/ Viking I am real big into military science, military tech. (Tom Clancy novels and the like). Believe me I see this war-mongering part in myself.

    The two biggies were WW 1 and WW 2. These two big unnecessary wars have sapped a massive amount of vitality from the White Race. The latest Iraq and Afghani debacles are just further losses of already lean supplies of blood and treasure.

    The White Race just seems to be all tired out from all these dang wars. (many of which were wholly unneeded in my estimation)

  195. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 13, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Are you involved in church politics?

    I get a kick out of Political Cesspool co-host Eddie Miller who drives his minister up a wall. More guys like Eddie and we would have an altogether different situation in the US.

  196. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    October 13, 2012 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    @Darth Vader: Be careful with your misplaced optimism, Brother Darth.

    Here is how I read these tea leaves, regarding signs that the hostile and enemy owned media outlets might be suddenly giving a tiny bit of ‘positive’ or, perhaps a better word might be ‘reasonable’, coverage to a Jared Taylor speech. I smell something fishy.

    Let’s think about this for a second. The last year or so, we all have been seeing a lot of news commentary and analysis that is predicting that the diabolically evil and malicious demographic changes that the jews have engineered is going to render the GOP a dead and extinct political party. This means that the minority infested, virulently anti-White Democrat party will become the permanent ruling party and that means that the jews will no longer be able to play their old divide and conquer strategies, pitting the Ds against the Rs and then having both parties compete to see who can kiss jewish hiney with the greater amount of subservience and shameless enthusiasm. Now, on the surface and with a casual examination of this scenario – it would initially appear to be seen as a long sought after indicator of ‘Mission Accomplished’, right?

    Ah, but not so fast. It’s my belief that the jews are beginning to have a few second thoughts about whether this ‘one-party’ with a ‘permanent lock on power’ screnario is really such a grand idea. Look at how Obongo has thus far not given them their war on Iran – while over on the R
    side of the pond full of greasy human scum, Mittens is literally salivating over the prospect of replacing Obongo and starting WW3 to please the owners of the hiney cheeks he is addicting to kissing. See how much more leverage the jews have, when there are two mainstream parties who are both trying to do the bidding of their jewish masters – but, on a rare occasion, one of the two might not be willing to do 100 percent of everything the jews demand? You can bet the farm that this point has and is being discussed behind closed doors in the synagogues where these nation wreckers gather to plot their strategies of divide and conquer – and control.

    A second point to consider, regarding Jared “jews look white to me” Taylor. The jews correctly sense that White racial consciousness is on the rise and it is increasing ten-fold with every passing week. Ironically, the jews made a huge tactical error by installing Obongo into the White House – because by doing so, they helped to sow the seeds of a White racial awakening. Obongo could have played his cards very close to his vest and saved most of his most noticeable anti-White agenda for his second term, and by being low-key and not overly militant – he could have kept the white idiots snoozing a little longer, and they would have voted for him a second time and THEN he could have gone Mugabe on White America. Anyway, back to Taylor and this very suspicious looking lightening of criticism that we are beginning to see of him and his message.

    I am convinced that Jared Taylor is a jewish invented entity and that he gets a considerable amount of his financial support from jews who have a desire to infiltrate, influence, and control the emerging White Nationalist movement. It is no coincidence, therefore, that Jared Taylor is very jew friendly and that he doesn’t allow any in-depth discussion on AmRen about the all-important jewish role in the on-going program to genocide White European people inside all of their historic White nations. I will admit, as I have previously, that I am noticing a little bit of criticism of jews and their agenda begin to seep into the comment section of AmRen – and after pondering that development for a time, I have concluded that it is a conscious decision to loosen the shackles a bit, in order to counter the wide-spread and ever growing criticism of Taylor and AmRen for being a controlled opposition organization.

    At any rate, the slow emergence of what appears on the surface to be a willingness to allow Jared Taylor a little breathing room and to give his message a little more respect and consideration, I think, is simply a tactical maneuver by the jews who control this guy to get out in front of the impossible-to-stop and ever growing White Nationalist movement and place their man into the prime leadership position – whereby he will be then deemed to be the only ‘acceptable’ pro-White leader and the fact that he is jew friendly will conveniently never be mentioned out loud, but will become a subliminal message to all other pro-White spokesmen that if they want to be given a respectable place in the movement, they’d better imitate the jew friendly behavior of Jared Taylor, too.

    This is how this enemy operates in a tactical sense, folks. And, if it is successful – here is what will happen. The jews will elbow aside the legitimate White leadership of every pro-White organization or group, put their people into the leadership positions – and then use the organization to continue to advance the agenda and the interests of jews which will continue to come at the expense of Whites.

    Are we going to let ourselves be snookered again?

  197. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 13, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    @Marcus:

    In the North East Protestantism since the Civil War has been dispalced by Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and other universalist cults. The New England Protestants dug thier own grave with the Civil War. There’s a lesson to be learned there.

  198. franz's Gravatar franz
    October 13, 2012 - 9:33 am | Permalink

    White Pathology:

    Came into being via the jew-talmudic-judaeochristian psychological operation called Christianity.
    There will be no inner peace in the White Spirit until jew worship is rejected.
    All else is empty talk.

  199. Rise White's Gravatar Rise White
    October 13, 2012 - 9:08 am | Permalink

    @Church of Jed:

    That really is the context of all Race Discussions right now:

    Whites are becoming a minority in America, so they should prepare for the horrors to come. Any race constrovery where Whites are accused of racism needs a Mantra response:

    “Whites are become an endangered minority in America, what did you expect them to do, just surrender to Diversity?”

  200. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim: To press the point, what triggered your loss of faith in the media?

  201. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 13, 2012 - 6:07 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    After discovering that every form of media I had been exposed to for years had been controlled, censored, and worse still used to propagandize me in insidious ways, my first mission was to discover WHO had done this to me, to my entire nation, and why. Obviously, it took me less than a day to locate names of the mere 6 companies that controlled 90% of US media, and the shareholders and owners names were rather telling. Goldhoggers, anyone? From there I simply followed the rabbit trail. I will say that the immediate droves of trolls that attacked, modified (in less than flattering ways) and deleted my public comments and questions confirmed the accuracy of my conclusion, and the threats and sick visionary these bastards bombarded with me only fueled my conviction to press on. After months of research, I discovered an even more insidious revelation, this group is actually made up of clinical psychopaths. Having no conscience at all they are a group unlike all others, homicidal tyrants, ruthless animals without souls. Shockingly, they have managed to keep this hidden, many people know nothing about this disorder at all, or if they do, they think of Ted Bundy or Hannibal Lecter. A brief study on psychopathic tendencies shows they will always seek positions of power in fields of authority most particularly in politics and commerce. The most devastating discovery was what they have done to us! For the majority of our nation, being progressively deprived of the ability to use their common sense because of the impingement of psychological material, characteropathic in nature, common people are prone to identify with them, psychopaths! Media that some of us see as horrid and refuse to observe is used to collectively induce pathological thinking and experiencing especially in young people a result, the personality suffers a kind of adaptation, creating a sort of mini-psychopath population. (research Political Ponerolgy)
    After this discovery, I searched for alternative texts of the Bible, and dug deeper looking for explanations, fallacies, hell answers! to the so-called “Holy People”, who they were, how they were involved in our government, and what the ramifications of this knowledge would have on my own faith and adherence to Christianity. Once again, weeks of research led me to the discovery that the very word “jew” was not even invented nor placed in the bible until the late 1800′s. Wanna take a wild guess who might have put it there? Who might have manipulated scripture and the doctrine of Christianity? “Jew”, yeah right. Sure. Why not Jewus? At any rate, these psychopathic animals are no more semitic than you or I, and they’ve never occupied the land they are stealing.
    So, at the present time, while I have most enthusiastically forsook the Zionist influence, and will never again support of this den of thieves, I still adhere to Christianity itself.

  202. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    October 13, 2012 - 4:58 am | Permalink

    The abolitionists were the apotheosis of Protestant moral fervor, they had no idea what the situation in the Deep South was like (living in places like Massachusetts) all that mattered was that the evil of slavery had to be ended at any cost. In their manichaean worldview any hierarchal society was pure evil, regardless of ethnic interests. Indeed going above and beyond, to ethnomasochism was considered laudable.The current PC dogma was a natural transition for them: one self-flagellating ideology replaced another. I think this is why former Protestant strongholds like Holland, Sweden, the American northeast, etc were the earliest and most enthusiastic members of the western suicide cult.

  203. Host's Gravatar Host
    October 13, 2012 - 3:51 am | Permalink

    @fender:

    Thought provoking and insightful comments.

    How did you evolve from liberalism?

    Even if a liberal gets his thinking straightened out, there will likely be personal non-White conflicts of interest for him to overcome. Can the liberal not only gain understanding, but also accept responsibilty?

    As counterintuitive as it may seem, I do think reaching liberals is essential for this movement to develop. Currently, they are our greatest frustration. Aside from their obvious shortcomings, liberals are often capable, social, and perceptive individuals. If awakened, they could become highly effective and fanatical advocates. The problem is they operate under a set of flawed fundamental assumptions. To their credit though, liberals generally have a strong sense of social responsibility. They are willing to make personal sacrafices for causes perceived as being noble. To our misfortune, they are the eternal useful idiots for every destructive Jewish scheme.

  204. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 3:21 am | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:Could you recount how you came to reject Christian Zionism?

  205. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 3:03 am | Permalink

    @WtMan: Indeed, if the money supply weren’t continuously growing (a secular upward trend since the Fed’s inception, with one notorious blip), stock indices would tend to flat-line, failing companies replaced by flourishing companies. Indices are only a proxy for aggregated company profits. Rising stock indices don’t necessarily mean economic health (think the Weimar years, characterized by frenetic bourse activity) when currency erosion is occurring.

  206. October 13, 2012 - 1:42 am | Permalink

    @Junghans:

    @HW:

    We all look forward to the promised TOQ issue and also Hunter Wallace’s forthcoming book on abolitionism.

  207. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 13, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: DoD attorneys will attest to the absolute safety of D.U. in combat zones (Desert Storm malingerers be damned), but that noxious unpasteurized milk…

  208. HW's Gravatar HW
    October 13, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    Abolitionism is the ultimate example of White pathology. Few WNs realize that it was the grandfather of many other pathologies like anti-racism and civil rights. Whites were running with the bit in the mouth even before Jews began arriving in huge numbers in the late nineteenth century.

  209. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    October 13, 2012 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    Kevin, what a great idea, an entire issue of TOQ on White Pathology! I fully endorse and applaud your efforts in this regard. The racial foibles and the conflicted psyches of most Whites is terribly frustrating to many sentient White race realists. The White-Anglo mindset is a true enigma. About 10 years ago I came to the conclusion that Pogo was essentially right: “We have met the enemy, and he is us!”.

    I could go on and on about our people’s faux morality , our misguided altruism, our canny duplicity, our beguiled, rationalized abstractions, and our unthinking hypocrisy, among other enigmatic traits. However, as a race of people, ultimately, we have only ourselves to blame for our innate faults, that others (primarily Jews) are clearly taking advantage of, and lethally compounding. I really do think we have to deeply examine the White psyche in order to assess what needs to be done about the self-destructive, downward drift of, what has become this deplorable state of….White pathology.

  210. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    @fender:
    Genetic studies have shown that today’s Jews do in fact descend from the ancient Judeans.”

    This is a mathematical impossibility.

    “Even if they didn’t it’s completely immaterial, as they’re a problem for us no matter what their origins are.”

    We must know who are enemies are before we can successfully defeat them, and keep them from regaining power.

    “I believe there’s a conflict between WN and CC because CC’s tend to focus more on the religious and moral arguments against jews when WN’s prefer to stick to race and evolutionary science.”
    CC’s who are sleeping would, of course. I, personally, see both sides arguments equally unimportant at our current point in history, as we are at the brink of being collectively enslaved and slaughtered. I see the need to remove these animals from power as being much more important than arguing over morality or science.

    “When jews successfully defend against attacks by CC’s it makes the whole movement look bad”

    I was unaware ANY group has attacked “jews”. What have I missed? And why would CC’s attack them? The group generally either is ignorant of what they are doing or support what little they know, as the “jews”. Can you give me a couple of examples of when this has happened?

    “and yes, Christians have fought a losing war against jews for 2,000 years now.”

    This is simply impossible. The word itself was not yet invented, and those who took on the identity had not yet come to power. In example, in the English version of the Bible printed in 1582 the word “Jew” did NOT appear yet. Similarly the King James printed in1611the word “Jew” still did NOT appear. In fact, the Protestant Reformation brought in the publication of the 18th century Bible where word “Jew” appeared. It is my opinion, that at this point in History that these psychopaths took power and has manipulated every piece of literature since.

  211. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: I think that’s a good measuring tool Alice–used bookstores. And even if we fail the test as a society where used bookshops are used as a kind of measuring tool on the health of our country, there’s always an upside. People that want some peace and quiet to actually think, can always be sure the majority of buffoons that inhabit the North American Continent, won’t be found in bookstores!!!!

  212. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    A study of Political Ponerolgy will shed much light on the identity of the group calling themselves “jews”. Below is a brief excerpt from Andrew M. Lobaczewski’s book “Political Ponerolgy”: (link with much more information below)

    Pathocracy is a disease of great social movements followed by entire societies, nations, and empires. In the course of human history, it has affected social, political, and religious movements as well as the accompanying ideologies� and turned them into caricatures of themselves�. This occurred as a result of the � participation of pathological agents in a pathodynamically similar process. That explains why all the pathocracies of the world are, and have been, so similar in their essential properties.

    �Identifying these phenomena through history and properly qualifying them according to their true nature and contents – not according to the ideology in question, which succumbed to the process of caricaturization – is a job for historians. [�]
    The actions of [pathocracy] affect an entire society, starting with the leaders and infiltrating every town, business, and institution. The pathological social structure gradually covers the entire country creating a �new class� within that nation. This privileged class [of pathocrats] feels permanently threatened by the �others�, i.e. by the majority of normal people. Neither do the pathocrats entertain any illusions about their personal fate should there be a return to the system of normal man.
    and later
    What is interesting at this point in Lobaczewski�s discourse is his indication that this pattern repeats itself again and again in history: a pathologically brain-damaged individual creates circumstances that condition the public in a certain way, and this, then, opens the door for the psychopath to come to power. As I read this, I thought back to the last 45 or 50 years of history in America and realized that the �cold war,� the nuclear threat, the assassination of JFK, the antics of Nixon, Johnson, Reagan, Clinton, the manipulation of Americans via the media, were just such characteropathic conditionings that opened the door for the Neocons and their nominal puppet, George W. Bush, who can certainly be described as �a clownish psychopath who makes no bones about his pathological vision of super-American rule.� We can even see in the cabal that is assembled around George W. Bush, the same �negative selection� of advisors and cabinet officials as Lobaczewski described were assembled around Kaiser Wilhelm.
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm

  213. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 12, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Genetic studies have shown that today’s Jews do in fact descend from the ancient Judeans. Even if they didn’t it’s completely immaterial, as they’re a problem for us no matter what their origins are.

    I believe there’s a conflict between WN and CC because CC’s tend to focus more on the religious and moral arguments against jews when WN’s prefer to stick to race and evolutionary science. When jews successfully defend against attacks by CC’s it makes the whole movement look bad; and yes, Christians have fought a losing war against jews for 2,000 years now.

  214. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:
    Oh, alright. I was quite confused! ;)

    Tom
    “There’s nothing deep and mysterious about what has happened to Protestantism in America.

    Most Protestant churches are run by well meaning, but, not very bright church lady types who do NOT want to get into hard arguements about any real problems like politics, religion or race.”

    I believe the problem is much, much more insidious and complicated than that. There is something VERY wrong, completely wrong, that violates the very foundation of Christianity. Today, after the “revisions” made in the late 18th century, religious texts we have access to have been manipulated, and while many leaders in our church know no better, many do and willingly teach the “doctrine of devils”.

  215. athanasius's Gravatar athanasius
    October 12, 2012 - 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Can you blame the fish in a fishtank for their behaviour if someone outside the fishtank is continuously pouring alcohol into the fishtank?

  216. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    fender
    “Reading your posts on this site, your narrative seems to be that you found out about the reality of America and the West and who the bad guys are, and you did what probably 99% of other half-awake Whites do: become a Christian Conservative (CC), the Loser of Losers.”

    Fascinating hypothesis. How did you come to such a conclusion regarding awaken Christian’s? On whom did you base this on? I was unaware their were so many of awaken former Zionist Christians! At any rate, you must have misread my prior posts or perhaps I failed at expressing myself well, as you’re assessment is incorrect on almost every level. As to the statement above, no, I didn’t “realize who the bad guys are and become a Christian Conservative”.
    I was a Christian conservative BEFORE I awoke, and for weeks after my awakening I forsook my religious beliefs altogether.

    fender
    “Not that I’m personally calling you a loser, I’m just saying that Christians have lost every battle against jews that was ever fought, and that’s because Christians are basically spiritual jews to begin with.”

    What? I was unaware we had had so many battles in which to lose. Which is quite impossible, really, as the group of psychopaths that created the title only did so in the late 18th century, first introducing the word “Jew” to the English language in “new” editions of the New Testament. Psychopaths created a “secondary meaning” for the word Iudaeus, simply a people who lived in Judaea. The group who today call themselves Jews and claim the sole status as God’s Chosen People and all its privileges by claiming be direct descendants of the tribes of Israel are not only liars, as they are NOT who they claim, but worse still, they are “returning” to a “Promised Land” they never occupied in the first place!

    fender
    “I don’t blame you. When I rejected liberalism my first instinct was to become a CC. That didn’t last long. By the time I became aware of MacDonald’s work I knew that going back to the old Christian faith wasn’t enough, that we needed a specific racial ideology”

    I have never embraced liberalism. Not ever. In fact, I know of no Christian that has.

    fender
    “They want you to be a CC because CC’s arguments are so easily beaten. True WN arguments are not easily beaten and that’s why they don’t want anyone being WN’s.”

    I have yet to endure my Christian Conservative arguments be “beaten badly”. I see no reason I must reject “CC” views to embrace WN’s. In fact, I believe I can quite adequately defend them both. Why would one be forced to chose between them?

  217. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 10:15 pm | Permalink

    @WTMan
    I see your point but I feel we must fight longer. The Jew hates
    us & I feel its a fight to the end. I don’t think we can make an
    arrangement with them.
    A sign to negoiate I feel would be like blood in the water for a shark..

  218. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 10:00 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim
    I was saying look around at other forums. You seemed very
    enthusiastic and I was trying to encourage you.
    Of course you belong here. I was being critical of others in a general way. Nothing was meant to be personal.

  219. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    In that case I wish to thank you once again for your gallant defense of my dreadfully sloppy typing. A true friend, indeed! If you have any pull around this place will you lobby for an edit feature? Please? I would try, but I am too discouraged this evening. As I type, my PBS station is running a bio on Margaret Mitchell with highlights from a quadroon lesbian and the site and magazine I support has a call for pieces attacking WASPs. Sometimes you just can’t win.

  220. Church of Jed's Gravatar Church of Jed
    October 12, 2012 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    @jedsrael:

    NOTHING is ever irrelevant when it comes to Race.

    EVERYTHING IS RELEVANT AND HAS DEEP, INSISTENT, AND ETERNAL MEANING.

    Whites need to realize that everything is racially relevant to Diversity, and since we will soon be a minority under Diversity, we had better prepare via accepting and acknowledging the Racial Relevancy of Everything.

  221. WtMan's Gravatar WtMan
    October 12, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:
    I have come to wonder if the broader battle has already been lost, and if it is not time to start thinking about peaceful reorganization with painful concessions. Think what might have happened if Hitler had sought an early settlement to the war rather than allowing an outright destruction of Germany. Germany would have been much better off.

  222. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    October 12, 2012 - 9:46 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:
    @Kevin MacDonald

    There’s nothing deep and mysterious about what has happened to Protestantism in America.

    First of all Protestantism in America is for the most part a bottom up affair, rather than the top down form of church government like the Roman Catholics. Something which many here don’t get.

    One big problem today is no one wants to get involved in church politics, and argue with the universalist nit-wits, including those wishing to turn Protestantism into something more like Roman Catholicism or Judaism.

    Most Protestant churches are run by well meaning, but, not very bright church lady types who do NOT want to get into hard arguements about any real problems like politics, religion or race.

    Church politics, and all of the things associated with church politics are hard work, and, I myself have always avoided getting involved in church politics.

    Maybe, I should write something. LOL BTW, Kevin, my WV sources tell me there was a wild gun fight in Mingo County leaving two dead including the half brother of a County Commissioner the other night.

  223. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:
    I’m not real sure I understand what you mean. Who shows off literary skills? What do you mean? And why suggest I look to another “down an dirty” forum? Do you think I do not belong here? Why?

  224. WtMan's Gravatar WtMan
    October 12, 2012 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    I agree, but there is a true pathology amongst white people, especially in the USA, that is the belief that the stock market can go up forever (I bet neo-cons like Romney actually believe this). This unbridled optimism was healthy for this country originally in settling it, but now has been taken to unhealthy, even deadly extremes for the nation.

  225. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    They were perfectly right about books! I have long haunted used and antiquarian bookshops. I hold that the true measure of a society is the number of used bookshops. I get very nearly unhinged when I come across a book which has been scribbled in, rather like a third party on a date.

  226. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim
    Thanks for your reply. It will take sticking our necks out more
    than were used to. Its so comfortable to sit back on these forums showing off our intellect & writing skills.
    I suggest you look around at other forums. They’re plenty
    of pretty good down an dirty ones. You may need to connect with other White Supremacists.

  227. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: P.S. after lecturing you Pierre, I am not going to correct the word I obviosly spelled wrong!!!!!!!!

  228. October 12, 2012 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Even if you desire the goal of exterminating us, would it not be more logical to use us to defeat the group calling themselves jews first?

    Oh my God! I’ve never desired exterminating Christians!

    This is not a place for theological discussions though. If you read the above article of my list, what about these series on the New Testament itself? (feel free to comment at WDH if you want).

    Cheers.

  229. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 9:23 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: You know Pierre, here I also understand your point because it hits a nerve concerning one of my own quirks. I cannot, much as I have tried, mark up a single one of my many books!! I mean, even the dogeared ones that are ready to turn to dust. I know where this inhibation came from. I was educated as a young boy,(right up to the eight grade) at St. Vincents, a Jesuit school, and told constantly that books should not be defaced because they are near holy. Looking back, I can’t understand why Jesuits, probably the sharpest and most “street smart” of all the priests would hold such an unpractical attitude.

  230. Lithuanian American's Gravatar Lithuanian American
    October 12, 2012 - 9:22 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Let’em go. They’ll find out the hard way. There’s really not that much interracial marriage. Maybe with white trash, but where is the loss? The best of our people will know better how to preserve their gene pool. Remember, if it is in the DNA of Jews, why wouldn’t it be for gentiles? Why even Mohammed Alle (Boxer) said interracial was disgusting and unnatural.

  231. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 9:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Make that “… wring your neck …” (good grief, what a gaffe!).

    Apologies to Chechar … and Bobby, too. (As you see, I can’t help myself!)

  232. Lithuanian American's Gravatar Lithuanian American
    October 12, 2012 - 9:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:

    Right. But look at “our own.” Pathetic examples susceptible to media manipulation. For example, look at all the celebrities with their God-awful tattoo’s. My Lithuanian relative who spent 6-years in the Gulag came over in ’92. She couldn’t believe all the fat Americans. She asked, “What is wrong with those people? Are they sick?” What could I say. These are Americans. Sad to say but a pretty sorry lot.

  233. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 12, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Jews “manipulating” Christianity? Christianity is 100% jewish in origin to begin with; it was their original Big Lie.

    Reading your posts on this site, your narrative seems to be that you found out about the reality of America and the West and who the bad guys are, and you did what probably 99% of other half-awake Whites do: become a Christian Conservative (CC), the Loser of Losers.

    Not that I’m personally calling you a loser, I’m just saying that Christians have lost every battle against jews that was ever fought, and that’s because Christians are basically spiritual jews to begin with.

    I don’t blame you. When I rejected liberalism my first instinct was to become a CC. That didn’t last long. By the time I became aware of MacDonald’s work I knew that going back to the old Christian faith wasn’t enough, that we needed a specific racial ideology… and by the time I picked up Nietzsche I understood that Christianity is poison to us.

    The jews set up these dichotomies (liberal vs. conservative, secular vs. christian, etc.) because that’s how they want this struggle defined. If you are against liberalism then you MUST become a conservative. If you are against secularism then you MUST become a Christian. Don’t fall for this trap! They want you to be a CC because CC’s arguments are so easily beaten. True WN arguments are not easily beaten and that’s why they don’t want anyone being WN’s.

  234. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 9:14 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Yeah, my friend, but they still go to the slammer if they try to sell depleted uranium to their neighbors and out-of-state customers.

    Did I say depleted uranium? I think I meant raw milk. But Chuck Schumer says it’s just as dangerous.

  235. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Goodies, Alice?!? You’ve been forced by the government to pay for them for decades!! They are yours now, as a matter of justice. (PS: I know you were kidding with T. Just as I am with you.)

    Ron Paul long ago pointed out, in response to his lying critics, that it was blatantly immoral to deny people the benefits of federal programs they had been compelled to pay into during their entire working lives. That, of course, is why Obama and his pals are doing that very thing—i.e., trying to deny them to people like you and me.

  236. jedsrael's Gravatar jedsrael
    October 12, 2012 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    My idea is that you should examine the meaning of the Towson University White Student Union in light of the fact that those students’ own children will be a minority to a proven hostile and dangerous non white Diversity majority.

  237. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: You’re right, Bobby, you’re right. But having made a living in the editorial end of the publishing racket for 25 years, I get an overwhelming sense of guilt when something gets by me. As a great old boss of mine used to say, “When the first bound books from a project you’ve worked on for two years land on your desk, fresh from the printer, it never fails but the first page you look at has a misspelling or broken type or something else that managed to get by every pair of eyes that looked at the proofs.” The urge to scream is often hard to resist.

  238. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 8:59 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    Does that mean I must give up my goodies too? Oh dear!

  239. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:
    I have read a lot of C.S. Lewis and I love him. A really good beginning is to read The Screwtape Letters, very funny and one of the most sensible appraisals of the silliness of modern life.

    Vlad is a busy family and business man from whom we do not hear as much as we would like. I am sure when he checks in he will be glad to share. In the meantime, find your own balance, learn as much as you can, and start small. Sometimes simply asking questions can be the most disarming thing of all – it is surprising how many people cannot defend their choices. Take a breathe, you are not crazy and you are not alone.

  240. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:
    Thank you for sharing! I would like to comment on several ideas written in the piece you shared.
    The first is that we, as a people, have lived and suffered under a Christian Theocracy before. I disagree. The historical events and suffrage sited by the writer referred to a group hiding behind the name of Christ, falsely claiming to be His followers. You can clearly see the SAME GROUP claiming to be jews today. (this title they invented themselves, btw)
    Another idea, the idea that fear of eternal damnation is used by Christianity to torture and enslave “millions of whites” is overwhelmingly intellectually dishonest and illogical. While I agree that the group calling themselves “jews” infiltrated and then manipulated Christian doctrine, confusing the Theology of Salvation, the guilt lies not on Christianity. Furthermore, many Christians and subgroups within do not teach detrimental and devastating doctrines of conditional salvation. Christ Himself never taught this either, moreover He taught just the opposite: John 10
    “I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.” There are many other passages very similar to this.
    I do agree that the present day, distorted and manipulated form of Christianity was indeed not chosen but imposed on the white race. One must consider why the “jews” chose to do the insidious things they have to Christianity, why they invested so much, so long, into manipulating Christian religious texts and doctrines. What was so destructive in this particular religion that it was the target of destruction?

    I disagree with Guessedworker that our race will only be saved by the extinction of Christianity. In fact, his suggestion causes me to doubt his motive for claiming such things. At this point, our race would be slaughtered if pro-whites attempted to alienate ourselves from or convert Christian’s into atheists! Wasting precious, little time we have left on such endeavors is illogical, unnecessary, and worse still, detrimental. Even if you desire the goal of exterminating us, would it not be more logical to use us to defeat the group calling themselves jews first?

  241. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, this is another thing we have to stop doing, worrying about making petty little spelling errors, or worse yet, slips of the typewriter keys,etc. I’ve noticed that some of the more quirky posters on all kinds of blogs, must get a weird kind of pleasure in pointing out these mistakes to people that they damn well know are capable and competent and most likely their intellectual superiors in any case. Must be plain jealousy.

  242. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 12, 2012 - 8:27 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: The Amish eschew public welfare and enjoy S.S.-exempt status.

  243. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 8:17 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: … the paper off the band-aid …

  244. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 8:15 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: You aptly put “values” in sneer quotes. I would dearly like to know which federal committee decided to adopt the word as a replacement for that horrid old (and doubtless anti-LGBT and anti-Semitic) term “virtues.”

  245. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 8:11 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: Great.

    Now if truth be told, I am in more agreement with your initial comment than I let on. I too get pretty steamed myself that people who can’t quite manage to get the paper of the band-aid still think they’ve got the skills to be top-notch brain surgeons.

  246. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 12, 2012 - 8:10 pm | Permalink

    @WtMAN: Economic growth is not to be confused with socializing costs and privatizing profits. If the private sector had to pay for all the externalities of immigration (burden on schooling, roads, water, power, law and order, health, etc.), then cheap manpower wouldn’t be so.

  247. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    October 12, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Outsourcing morality to Washington might be a good place to investigate where the rot set in. The ever-shrinking private sphere of family, community, and faith contrasts with the florid Nanny-state (with its legion of wards, corporate and individual) and its “values”.

  248. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    @Flavia:
    It is a very tough call. I admit that I cannot imagine turning my back on any of my children – but I am not sure that speaks well of me. My point is that there are no free lunches or cheap, painless virtues. All of our ancestors from the pagans on down have recognized that the good life requires self-discipline. We don’t like that – at all.

  249. October 12, 2012 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    @Filthy Goyim:

    Chechar

    If I may be so bold, may I ask what you feel led you to “lose” your Christian faith? I find this very interesting and only seek to understand

    That’s a little complex, but you can start reading this entry

  250. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Alan:
    “With all due respect Mr.Macdonald “the enfolding disaster ” has happened. Its already unfolded throughout our whole country.
    The white race is taking the eight count. Our corner men keep yelling get up. We are hurt & have to get up.
    We need a leader who can wake up alot more whites that are
    sleeping through this Jew take over.
    I agree very much so with your assessment! We must wake our people and we must do it NOW, right now! We haven’t the time to spend in philosophical debate of this or that. We (in my opinion) should focus all of our energy and strength in awakening the sleeping, many of whom are Zionist Christians and are blind to everything and sleep even in more of a deeper level than average. I am living proof they are capable of wakening, and I am willing to allow everyone in our fight to use me to gain whatever they need to form a deprogramming plan we can all utilize in mass efforts. Regardless of everyone’s opinion of Christian’s, we make up a large enough population that is critical and necessary to defend our race! Can we not all put our disdain for them in order to save our own people?! I am willing to fight. I am willing to invest every single moment I can to reach out to them but i lack the skills, experience and education that many members here have to do so effectively. And I want to suggest that we start planning and preparing on how to deal with what we will be working with once they’re awake: disorientated, paranoid, temporarily dis-functioning ‘hot messes”. They will need much counseling, education, and support. Again, use me, if I may be of assistance, as a tool plan for their needs. We can NOT utilize a paralyzed, mentally unstable army- they’ll be nearly as useful as they are now that way.

  251. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Yes, I would be inclined to forgive them, and I see what you mean.

  252. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 12, 2012 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “What does a white loyalist do if his child chooses to marry outside the race?”

    Disown them. They’re lost to you.

  253. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Chechar
    If I may be so bold, may I ask what you feel led you to ‘lose” your Christian faith? I find this very interesting and only seek to understand, and am not attempting to convert or annoy you, honest. Have you read any of C.S Lewis’ work? If so, what hat were your thoughts, and which of his works have you read?

    Flavia
    I am convinced that groups like the Amish and Muslims are their ability to quite consciously reject the influence of the group that call themselves jews is due to their ability to discern satanic/demonic influence. You wrote of our seduction by lies and how true you are! Regardless of one’s opinion of Jesus, His commendation of evil in our world are breathtakingly accurate now more than ever- “When he [speaking of Satan] lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.” The groups like the Amish and Muslims have been (in my opinion) much more diligent in detecting, then rejecting even forcefully as seen in the Middle East, and therefore have been effected by satanic/demonic forces that rule our world today. I see a great failure in the Christian group, and lament our willingness to allow ourselves to be infiltrated so easily by the lures of what Satan promises those who concede to his lead.

    Vlad Writes
    Forgive me, everyone, I could not locate another venue to contact Vlad elsewhere and apologize for the OT comment. Vlad, I would be so very grateful if you would instruct me or give me some ideas of how I might attempt to de-programming my fellow Christians, who are referred to as Zionist Christians. Thanks in advance for anything you (or anyone else!) might offer!

  254. Flavia's Gravatar Flavia
    October 12, 2012 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “What does a white loyalist do if his child chooses to marry outside the race?”

    A good question. “Mom, Dad, this is Jamal and we’re getting married!!!”

    Let’s say her liberalism hasn’t brainwashed her enough so that she still wants contacts with you. Is she dead to you?

  255. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Follow the money jew bankers & economists

    Benjamin S. Bernanke – Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System

    Donald L. Kohn – Vice Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System

    Stephen Friedman – Chairman, Board of Directors, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

    Timothy F. Geithner – Secretary, United States Department of the Treasury

    Neal S. Wolin – Deputy Secretary, United States Department of the Treasury

    Robert B. Zoellick – President, The World Bank

    Dominique Strauss-Kahn – Managing Director, International Monetary Fund

    Lawrence H. Summer – Chairman, National Economic Council

    Christina D. Romer – Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers

    Paul A. Volcker – Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board

    Ron Bloom – Senior Counselor for Manufacturing Policy, President

    Steven L. Rattner – Director, Presidential Task Force on the Automotive Industry

    Neil M. Barofsky – Special Inspector General, Troubled Asset Relief Program(TARP)

    Kenneth R. Feinberg – Special Master for Executive Compensation, U.S. Treasury Department

    Jared Bernstein – Chief Economist and Economic Policy Adviser, Vice President

    David R. Obey – Chairman, United States House Committee on Appropriations

    Henry A. Waxman – Chairman, United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce

    Barney Frank – Chairman, United States House Committee on Financial Services

    Christopher J. Dodd (crypto jew) – Chairman, United States Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

    Max S. Baucus (crypto jew)- Chairman, United States Senate Committee on Finance

    Peter R. Orszag – Director, Office of Management and Budget(OMB)

    Douglas W. Elmendorf – Director, Congressional Budget Office(CBO)

    Douglas H. Shulman – Commissioner, Internal Revenue Service(IRS)

    Jon D. Leibowitz – Chairman, Federal Trade Commission(FTC)

    John E. Bowman – Director, Office of Thrift Supervision(OTS)

    Sheila C. Bair – Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation(FDIC)

    John C. Dugan (crypto jew) – Comptroller, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC)

    Karen G. Mills – Administrator, Small Business Administration (SBA)

    Mary L. Schapiro – Chairman, Securities and Exchange Commission(SEC)

    Gary G. Gensler – Chairman, Commodity Futures Trading Commission(CFTC)

    Daniel J. Roth – President and Chief Executive Officer, National Futures Association(NFA)

    Duncan L. Niederauer – Chief Executive Officer & Director, NYSE Euronext

    Robert Greifeld – Chief Executive Officer, NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc.

    Lloyd C. Blankfein – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.

    John J. Makhoul – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Morgan Stanley

    James Dimon (crypto jew) – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, JPMorgan Chase

    Kenneth D. Lewis (crypto jew) – President and Chief Executive Officer, Bank of America Corporation

    John G. Stumpf – President and Chief Executive Officer, Wells Fargo & Company

    Bernard Baruch – economic adviser to many U.S. presidents, statesman, stock market speculator

    Milton Friedman – Nobel Prize-winning economist

    Alan Greenspan – chairman of the Federal Reserve (1987–2006)

    Eugene Meyer – chairman of the Federal Reserve (1930–1933), president of the World Bank (1946)

    Haym Solomon – financier during the American Revolution

    Joseph E. Stiglitz – 2001 Nobel Prize winner and Chief Economist of the World Bank (1997–2000)

    James Wolfensohn – president of the World Bank (1995–2005)

    Paul Wolfowitz – president of the World Bank (2005–2007)

    George Akerlof – economist

    Kenneth Arrow – Arrow’s impossibility theorem

    Gary Becker – economist

    Daniel Berkowitz – editor of the Journal of Comparative Economics (2007-present)

    Walter Block – Harold E. Wirth Endowed Chair in Economics at Loyola University in New Orleans

    Benjamin Jerry Cohen – Louis G. Lancaster Professor of International Political Economy University of California, Santa Barbara

    Martin S. Feldstein – economist, Harvard Professor, advisor to President Ronald Reagan

    Robert Fogel – new economic history

    Zvi Griliches – econometrist

    Sanford J. Grossman – economics of information

    John Harsanyi – game theorist

    Jerry A. Hausman – econometrist

    Ricardo Hausmann – Harvard Professor and Former Venezuelan Minister

    Robert Heilbroner – leftist economist

    Leonid Hurwicz – economist

    Daniel Kahneman – Nobel Prize (2002)

    Israel Kirzner – Austrian School economist

    Lawrence Klein – econometric models

    David M. Kreps – economist

    Paul Krugman – economist and journalist

    Simon Kuznets – econometrics

    Emil Lederer – economist

    Wassily Leontief – Input-Output method

    Steven Levitt – economist

    Harry Markowitz – economist

    Jacob Marschak – economist

    Merton Miller – economist

    Jacob Mincer – labor economics

    Ludwig von Mises – Austrian School economist

    Franco Modigliani – economist

    Harvey Pitt – former SEC chairman

    Matthew Rabin – economist

    Russell Roberts – economist, Professor at George Mason University in Virginia, commentator on Morning
    Edition heard on National Public Radio

    Kenneth Rogoff – economics professor at Harvard, expert on international economics

    Murray Rothbard – Austrian School economist

    Nouriel Roubini – Iranian-American macroeconomist

    Jeffrey Sachs – economic shock therapy

    Paul Samuelson – economic analysis

    Andrei Shleifer – economist

    Myron Scholes – Black-Scholes equation

    Herbert Simon – political, social scientist

    Robert Solow – economic growth

    Jacob Viner – economist

    Lloyd C. Blankfein – Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs

    Ivan Boesky – Wall Street financier and arbitrageur

    Asher Edelman – Wall Street corporate raider (“Wall Street” movie character)

    Andrew Fastow – former CFO of Enron

    Marcus Goldman – co-founder of Goldman Sachs investment bank

    Bernie Madoff – former Chairman of NASDAQ, last Chairman of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, biggest Ponzi schemer in history

    Michael Milken – Financier, Junk-bond specialist

    Ronald Perelman – American billionaire investor

    Marc Rich – Oil trading

    Robert Rubin – former Treasury Secretary, director of National Economic Council, and Chairman of Citigroup

    Samuel Sachs – co-founder of Goldman Sachs investment bank

    George Soros – Wall Street investor and foreign currency speculator

    Michael Steinhardt – Wall Street hedge fund manager

    Bruce Wasserstein – American investment banker and businessman, CEO of Lazard and controller of Wasserstein & Co.

    Sandy Weill – former Chairman and CEO of Citigroup

    Albert Aftalion – Bulgarian-born French economist

    Robert Aumann – Nobel prize (2005)

    Lord Bauer – economist

    George Dantzig – economist

    Alexander Delphias – economist, and social activist of Jew Town.

    Richard Ehrenberg – economist

    Charles Goodhart – Bank of England economist

    Leo Frank – Factory owner hung for ritual murder of a child

    Noreena Hertz – economist & activist

    Hendrik Houthakker – economist

    Richard Kahn, Baron Kahn – economist: multiplier

    Nicholas Kaldor – economist

    Leonid Kantorovich – Nobel prize (1975)

    Israel Kirzner – economist

    János Kornai – economist

    Ludwig Lachmann – economist

    Harold Laski – economist

    Leone Levi – political economist

    Robert Liefmann – economist

    Ephraim Lipson – economic historian

    Adolph Lowe – economist

    Rosa Luxemburg – economist, co-founder of the KPD

    Morton J. Marcus – economist

    Karl Marx – inventor of Marxist economics

    Robert Merton – Nobel prize (1997)

    Hyman Minsky -economist

    Fritz Naphtali – economist, editor, later Israeli finance minister

    John von Neumann – economist

    Alexander Nove – economist

    Sigbert Prais – economist

    David Ricardo – economist

    Arthur Seldon – economist

    Reinhard Selten – Nobel prize (1994)

    Sir Hans Singer – economist

    Piero Sraffa – economist

    Abraham Wald – economist

  256. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: A wonderful anecdote indeed. Thank you for relating it.

    I must say, however, that in my mind’s ear I can hear the computers at the NSA, DIA, ATF, FBI, et al., whirring like mad as they use what you’ve revealed about yourself to prepare the ground for a soup-to-nuts audit of your last twenty tax returns. Try to get word to us here at TOO if a SWAT team knocks your door down tomorrow at 5 a.m. Visiting the imprisoned is, I’m sure you recall, one of the corporal works of mercy.

  257. October 12, 2012 - 6:53 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Well, well… Let me then tell you a little anecdote I’ve never confessed on the net.

    When I was being baptized my parents told Fr Sáenz their chosen name, “César Augusto”. Fr Joaquín Sáenz kept silent and when he sprinkled holy water on the baby I was he changed the name to “César Joaquín”, telling them that I would be like both my father (César) and like him (Joaquín)!

    Although in Spanish-speaking countries the middle name is almost never used (we use instead the mother’s last name) my passport still has me with the name that Fr Sáenz chose.

    Fr Sáenz had met my father since the latter was a small child in a Jesuit school in Puebla and later he helped my father with a scholarship to study in Madrid.

  258. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    October 12, 2012 - 6:37 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    In keeping with the biology theme, when looking at macro history, I am often reminded (as Eustace Mullins was) of the dinosaurs and other magnificent animals that have been buried under layers of sediment for countless millennia, while the direct descendants of roaches, rats, mosquitoes, etc. have not only survived, but thrived. The empires of the Assyrians, Romans, Spanish, etc., which were so intimidating in their own times, are magnificent fossils, like the dinosaurs. On the other hand, our own ungrateful cohabitants are arguably at the peak of their power despite being trampled on by so many dinosaurs (notably by the examples I gave, though this is purely coincidence).

  259. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Sorry about the small D.

  260. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar: It is very good of you to forward this information to me. I believe that Father Sáenz was a brave and holy man who settled on sedevacantism as an almost despairing attempt to explain the top to bottom apostasy he saw in the conciliar church.

    I consider you a lucky man to have come into contact with him. Your strong impulse to look far beneath the surface of things to detect and understand the true forces at work is something he would, I believe, applaud and admire, however much he might sometimes disagree with the answers you arrive at. Father Sáenz was not prepared to settle for anything less than the whole truth, and I frequently think much the same could be said of you—that is to say, I often think that at times other than those when I want to ring your neck (a feeling you may well have had about me more than once!).

    Anyway, thanks again. You did me a real kindness.

  261. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    With all due respect Mr.Macdonald “the enfolding disaster ” has happened. Its already unfolded throughout our whole country.
    The white race is taking the eight count. Our corner men keep yelling get up. We are hurt & have to get up.
    We need a leader who can wake up alot more whites that are
    sleeping through this Jew take over.

  262. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 6:24 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thanks to both you and FNN. Yes, they are are doing good work there. I genuinely fear that here no one here has any idea what we are talking about.

  263. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:
    I never said that Amish support white identity – I said they have maintained their freedom to determine their own culture and identity. We have not. I have no doubt that it often has a high and painful cost – but on some level it is the cost we demand of each other. What does a white loyalist do if his child chooses to marry outside the race?

    I do agree, very much, that we like to think of ourselves as moral, but we want it on the cheap. We want to be able to have free sex, abortion on demand, put our career ahead of our children, even abandon them to total strangers in daycare. We put our elders in nursing homes, knowing that there are many cases of abuse. Women, in particular, once had a clear responsibility beyond earning money. We have abandoned that responsibility, trying to delegate it to men, government, strangers, the tax payer and the school room. We refuse to examine the clear consequences of these choices BUT we want to think well of ourselves. So, we say the right things, demand others support the right causes, and wear the appropriate ribbon of the day to display our virtue. Yeah, we are way too moral. We no longer know the meaning of the word.

  264. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 6:11 pm | Permalink

    @fnn: Thank you. The part of the essay you have clipped for us is far and away its best part, as I’m sure you know. Its author still believes in redemption through politics, alas, but I can’t be overly hard on a man who’s clearly read more of Joseph de Maistre than I have.

    I believe that this is a blog where our colleague Athanasius comments occasionally. (Alice Teller will correct me if I’ve misidentified the blog, I hope.)

  265. Lithuanian American's Gravatar Lithuanian American
    October 12, 2012 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    @Norwegian:

    I agree with your premises and would like to learn about Baldar and the source of European weakness. With 200 million whites in America, one would think we would be able to sweep the Obama/Romneyista’s from under us and have those Jewish media bosses swimming to Israel.

  266. flavia's Gravatar flavia
    October 12, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Hi Alice, I do certainly agree that the Amish have been very successful in staying free of outside influence. However, I do think the problem is when they put morality over kinship, which they do seem to do. I agree with you- we have been seduced by lies- but I don’t think any of it was “too easy”….the country is stuck in a permanent state of anomie, no meaning and no hope. I think to get here it had to be a perfect storm of someone exploiting something that we had within us- which is the deep seeded desire for morality, which superseeds our love for our own kind. Perhaps you’re right and the problem is not that we are too moral…then I think the problem would be that we our desire to be perceived as moral is too strong. However the case, the ease in which we lunge at the chance to punish each other is out of control.

    By the way, please note that the Amish have started adopting black and Asian kids, especially in PA- so while they may not like outside influence, they are certainly not the paragon of white identity many want to paint them out to be.

  267. October 12, 2012 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Since the Thomistic exposition of Christian morality was the de jure and de facto norm for Catholics from roughly 1300 to its dethronement in the wake of the Vatican II revolution in my Church…

    Although I’ve lost my Christian faith, do you know that the priest who promoted Sedevacantist ideas is the one who baptized me? The Wikipedia article on Fr Sáenz features a photo of the Mass when he gave me the First Communion…

  268. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby: I see what you mean, Bobby, but we might be better off with the devil we know. Put otherwise, do we really want historians to start playing biologists, too, on top of everything else? In the wake of the Tribal takeover of the universities, they all insist on playing moralists, economists, sociologists, psychologists—and if they are actual Jews rather than merely stooges of the Jews, sexologists as well. Bartholomew Cubbins, please call your office.

    Historians used to understand that getting the dates, the leaders, the battles, the victors, and the intellectual currents right was no mean task in itself. If, for instance, Joe Ellis, Doris Goodwin, and a few others of the current crop of U.S. soi-disant historians could manage to acquire those entry-level skills, I’d be prepared to forgive them the occasional biological gaffe. Wouldn’t you?

  269. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    October 12, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Forgot to add that, in both examples, the barbarians were often invited by these civilizations to settle in exchange for military service. However there were also instances of Turkish slave soldiers who overthrew their Arab masters.

  270. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 5:23 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Allow me to second, with thanks, every word in this comment of yours.

  271. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 5:21 pm | Permalink

    @Marcus: Excellent observation Marcus. Afterall, vigilance is a tiring thing. The thought of finally relaxing after a long stint of work, duty, etc. and taking it easy, must have always been a natural human trait. That’s why I so often lose patience with historians, that refuse to keep referring back to biology. They act as if the events of history are somehow disconnected from human biology, or biological motivations.

  272. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    October 12, 2012 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    It could be said that the Romans (in the west) and the Arabs (abassid era) gave up their power more or less voluntarily. They just lost their martial spirit and delegated the task of defense to barbarians. Once that happens, losing sovereignty is a inevitable. There were no revolts, in the case of the Romans, they probably preferred their barbarian overlords, who weren’t coldly efficient tax collectors. Of course this is a gross simplification, but it fits in neatly with the theories of ibn Khaldun, Spengler, etc.

  273. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    @Franklin Ryckaert: I am not this person you refer to, and I am surprised that you think the term I use requires further explanation, especially when that requirement is expressed so peremptorily (thus inappropriately). I know that you know who Aristotle is and what he wrote, Mr. Ryckaert, and I presume you know at least something about Thomistic theology and philosophy as well. Since the Thomistic exposition of Christian morality was the de jure and de facto norm for Catholics from roughly 1300 to its dethronement in the wake of the Vatican II revolution in my Church, the modifier Aristotelian-Christian is the best historicist formula I could devise.

    That’s my position, sir, and I’m sticking to it.

  274. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:

    I can certainly agree with you that we take far too much for granted. As a young mother, i took to heart the notion that children will learn what they live. My grown children have told me that I completely underestimated the power of the larger culture and the forces which were deliberately undermining respect for our personal values while demanding ever more respect for their own. For example, I offered homosexuals tolerance, tact and courtesy. They returned with hostility, a demand that I affirm an equality which does not exist and name-calling. Our entire culture is ripe with such examples.

    I think that you criticism of the Amish is rather odd on this site. They are, after all, one of the few white groups which are growing in number and have retained the right and ability to live free of the culture of our masters. Perhaps it is precisely their desire to see their adult children as responsible moral beings, fully capable of recognizing that adults are responsible for the consequences of all those free choices, which permits them to do so.

    I find no reason to apologize for a sense of outrage that any one is treated so crudely. I also object to people who kick dogs as they walk by. You simply show that you are a decent human being.

    It is fun to express all of our anger against whomever let this happen, and I suppose it is Dr. Mac Donald’s profession to delve into the intricacies of how and why, but the truth is really quiet simple. We were seduced. Life is easy, and there is nothing easier to do than seduce a well-fed man. We have accepted and indulged in a culture which promises easy virtue and no sacrifice. Do we really think our problem is that we are too moral?

    Every white ethnic group, with a few exceptions like the Amish, have abandoned all disciple and the societal structures which recognized that free men and women must first learn to rule themselves. Who talks about building character anymore? If you don’t cherish and protect something – you lose it. Not tough at all.

  275. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    @Steve: Israel has been providing China U.S. technology secrets!! ???? Every time I thought I heard the latest abomination with this relationship we have with that nation, I get surprised with a worse one.

  276. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 4:57 pm | Permalink

    @flavia: Interesting point, and thank you for your honesty. All I can say having lived and worked through several weird politically crazy era’s in the U.S., is that I’ve always gone wrong when I was motivated by the artificial in life, that stuff that I intuitively knew was NOT ME. But I’ve always benefitted when I was motivated by my natural inclinations. If my natural mode needed a little adjustment, fine. But at least I then sacrificed less, than if I constantly tried to do a dance that I was incapable of doing–even disliked doing. They say experience is the best teacher, and it is, IF, IF I learn from it. And the only purpose of learning from it, is to better allow it to serve my natural way of being. Of course, we are told constantly, without a break, that we really don’t have a natural way of being, our feelings aren’t really authentic and need changing. Good luck with that.

  277. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    October 12, 2012 - 4:42 pm | Permalink

    I can understand the reason why Whites aren’t protesting the gradual demographic change, because it’s been very gradual over a couple of generations, so the Jewish-owned media has been able to condition the public over a lengthy period.

    The same holds true for Christianity. The Jews have been insidious and systematic with their approach to erasing Christianity from the public spectrum. The list of their lawsuits against Christianity proves this;
    1947 Everson v. Board of Education- Lawsuit against indirect aid to religion
    1948 Zellers v. Huff- Nuns, priests banned as teachers in public schools
    1961 Torcaso v. Watkins- Govt. cannot require religious test for public office
    1962 Engel v Vitale- Prayer banned in public schools
    1963 Abington v. Schempp- Banned Bible reading in public schools
    1984 Lynch v. Donnelly- Lawsuit against holiday decorations
    1985 Wallace v. Jaffree- State-endorsed prayer banned
    1989 Allegheny v. ACLU- Nativity scenes banned (Jewish menorah allowed)
    1989 San Diego v. Paulson- Public cross display banned
    1992 Lee v. Weisman- Public school clergy-led prayer banned
    1999 ACLU v. Schundler- Lawsuit against religious holiday displays
    2004 Newdow v. US Congress- Lawsuit against “under God”
    2005 McCreary v. ACLU- Ten Commandments public displays banned

    The same holds true for the Jewish takeover of the mass media. It’s been ever so gradual, starting with the inception of Hollywood to the present. This goes for major advertising as well. For example, WPP is the largest advertising company in the world, which creates most of the commercials and store ads you see. Jews Phil Lader (CFR member) and Martin Sorrell are the chairman and president. This explains most of the anti-White commercials you see on television that contain a large proportion of Blacks and a bunch of idiot Whites. WPP also creates most of the store fliers you receive in your Sunday paper, with each flier showing Blacks with Whites together in their ads, which are used to condition the public. Jews work in unison which is the main reason they are so dangerous. A good analogy is the African killer bee. Their stinger is no more dangerous than that of the American honey bee, but what makes the African killer bee deadly is their ability to attack in unison and with much greater determination.

    As of now I see another dangerous trend unfolding. As the US sinks deeper into dire straits, the Jews are starting to groom China for their next host. Israel has been providing China US technology secrets (Patriot missile systems, jet engines, etc.). This has been going on for decades, yet the US is unable to prevent it due to Jewish political control on Capitol Hill. We’ve seen this happen time and time again over the centuries. When one host has been used up, they jump to the next host and the process repeats itself.

  278. omop's Gravatar omop
    October 12, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    ” I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race….look at the United States their [ fraudulent ] government has allowed low class Irish and German emigrants.”

    ” I contend that we are the first race in the world the greater portion of the world under our rule simply means the end of all wars.”

    Quote from the 1880′s.

  279. flavia's Gravatar flavia
    October 12, 2012 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    They’re the worst. They don’t even know they’re being racists- which they are- because it is US, fellow whites, the want to impress. The black kid is a means to an end. How far is this morality one-upmanship going to go though?

    I think white people also love the street cred by proxy, which is pathetic, but I understand it in younger people as I was also a victim of it.

  280. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    @JustaWhiteMom:.. “the black moderator called him brother after he stated point blank he makes no apologies for being white”…..

    That was an instructive moment, or to put it in the popular jargon of today, a “teaching moment”, wasn’t it?
    I can’t recall how very many times I’ve noticed this and how it has improved both my thinking and my personality, in learning from this way of interacting with people. The person that acts naturally, that speaks from that inner integrity of the subconscious, not the conscious, but the subconscious, comes across as being a person of value, one that stands out from the common herd, someone that is sincere. This is where real integrity shows its effect on people. And we’ve all known those type of people, that although they move through life with the common herd, there is something totally different, refreshing almost, about being around them.

  281. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 12, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    @Chechar:

    There are virtually no pure blooded Indians (i.e., abos) in some parts of Canada, thanks to the European explorers having their way with the native women. Thousands of self-described First Nations people with names like McCorrister, Kipling, Peebles, etc. And then there are the half-French! The chickens are coming home to roost.

  282. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 4:07 pm | Permalink

    @flavia: Aren’t those people with the African kids SICKENING? Lest people misunderstand, they aren’t sickening because the kids are African, they are sickening because of their demented presumptions. Leftists, which comprise most of this type, are the people of mass confusion, a confusion they foist on other innocent people by their instransigent and irrational behavior. My general attitude on these leftists is that they need the message of a swift kick in the pants, everytime they start to impose themselves on “natural and normal people”.

  283. Alan's Gravatar Alan
    October 12, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    “The most precious possession you have in the world is your own people.” – Adolf Hitler.

  284. October 12, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink
  285. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    October 12, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    From a reactionary Catholic:
    http://orthosphere.org/2012/09/17/christianity-liberalism-and-love-of-the-other-part-ii/

    It is also right that we should protect our communities. Therefore, we do not recognize a duty to endlessly accommodate foreigners and subversives regardless of the cost to our common life. The community’s moral consensus must be upheld by censorship and law enforcement. Borders must be secure and immigration limited to nondisruptive levels. Invading armies must be met with lethal force. Ancestors must be publicly revered and the public mythology defended. We cannot tolerate our children being taught history from the viewpoint of our nations’ enemies and learning to despise their own ancestors as criminals. No other people would stand for this sort of moral obliteration. Ask the Native Americans and the Africans if they would be willing to renounce their own ancestors in exchange for all the white man’s wealth and power. Ask the Arabs if they would be willing to acquire all Europe’s wealth at the price of joining Europe in apostasy. I expect most of them would give the manly answer, which shows that what we are doing to ourselves is worse than the conquests we once inflicted on them.

  286. JustaWhiteMom's Gravatar JustaWhiteMom
    October 12, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    @Darth Vader: Did you watch the video of that? Did you sense a concession that white organization and advocacy is legitimate on the part of the blacks? I did. I made the point on Amren that the black moderator actually called JT “brother” after he stated point blank that he makes no apologies for being white and actually believes whites create superior civilizations!!!! The SPLC lady actually conceded that whites have an interest in cultivating a positive identity if I heard her right. That seems extraordinary to me.

  287. October 12, 2012 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Jewish brainwashing, that’s all it is.

    If this explains it all, how would you account that the white Iberians managed to destroy their ethnic pool in the American subcontinent thru astronomical levels of mestization while, at the same, zealously burning every Jew they found in the New World?

  288. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    October 12, 2012 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it interesting? Doc McDonald throws up white pathology, and there’s immediatley 20 people that respond. Has he hit a nerve? Is this a good sign? Afterall, can anyone fix something they aren’t aware of in the first place.

  289. fender's Gravatar fender
    October 12, 2012 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Whites are indoctrinated from birth to believe they are bad and evil. People who believe they’ve done something wrong, something to harm others, look desperately for ways they can “right” their “wrongs.” And of course the jews have the answers: diversity and immigration.

    It’s a moral scam, which has been the chief weapon of the jews for 2,000 years. Whites are so convinced that there’s just something inexplicably “evil” about them that literally all they can do to get rid of the pain is commit racial suicide. Jewish brainwashing, that’s all it is. There’s no way for Whites to behave otherwise; they have no choice.

  290. WtMAN's Gravatar WtMAN
    October 12, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have the background to write a bang up article on it (would be best for an economist to write about), but I would like to see an article on the pathology of the overly optimistic assumption by whites for unlimited economic growth. Certainly, a fundamental tenant of white neo-cons is that economic growth can occur ad infinitum. Of course, this is one of the fundamental tenants that has led to the massive influx of non-white immigrants.

  291. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 12, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    You sound somewhat like APOLLONIUS, a curious former commenter here who also used to talk about authentic Aristotelian-Christian morality as contrasted with not “tribally manufactured pseudo-morality” but with Pelagianism ( but also manipulated by the Tribe ).
    Now that you are at it, would you care to explain what you mean by your terms?

  292. fnn's Gravatar fnn
    October 12, 2012 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Liberal Anglican Archbishop Jensen “debates” leftist white female :
    http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2012/09/jensen-falls-for-false-solidarity.html

    A liberal morality is built negatively around non-interference; you’re supposed to be tolerant of difference, supportive of diversity, non-judgemental, non-discriminating etc. (That kind of morality doesn’t necessarily make liberals nice people – Deveny justifies her aggressive rudeness in the debate by claiming she is “intolerant of intolerance”.)

    And so Jensen is proving himself a good person in the liberal sense when he takes the merely negative view that we simply don’t judge or discriminate when it comes to borders. But by falling in line with “it is negative values which makes someone a good person” Jensen becomes blind to more traditional positive values, such as the value of people having a homeland in which they can maintain a larger ethnic tradition of their own, and develop their own culture, and fulfill the human desire to pass on their own tradition from one generation to the next and so on.

    Jensen’s third error, and perhaps critical error, is to go along with the liberal understanding of solidarity. Traditionally solidarity was based on loyalty to those you had a close and particular connection to or relationship with, such as your family, your community, your ethny, your nation and so on. Liberals have stood this traditional notion of solidarity on its head, by asserting that solidarity is based on compassion toward the marginalised other.

    In practice this means that white liberal women like Catherine Deveny will identify against their own men and in favour of those seen as most “other” – perhaps black men or Muslim men.

    Jensen does nothing to assert the traditional view in response to women like Deveny. He only fans the flames when he says things like the following:
    When you talk to refugees, my business means I catch taxis from time to time, which means I talk to all sorts of taxi drivers, many of whom have university degrees and are highly skilled people who are going to make this – build this nation for us. But they do come from different places. I have met some from Afghanistan but they do come from different places and we’ve got to remember that the struggles that have brought them here are true in many places in the world. Our program has got to be such that we’ll bring people here, preferably the people who are suffering most

    He believes that it is the suffering other who is going to “make this – build this nation for us”. He has an elevated view of them and a correspondingly diminished view of us, who are presumably incompetent to do the job.

    It’s terribly unwise for someone in his position to go anywhere near the liberal attitude to solidarity. He is, after all, an older white male in a position of responsibility. Therefore, he is going to be one of the ones who is identified against – it is a case of solidarity against white males just like him. And if he is tainted then so inevitably is his church.

    Deveny reminded him of this during the debate. When Archbishop Jensen tried to defend the church by arguing that the church sees everyone as having equality, she interrupted him to deny that everyone has it:
    I’m sorry, a white middle class man like you does have it. Try being disabled, try being an asylum seeker, try being gay, try being a woman, you’ll find it’s not there.

    He is being put in his place as “a white middle class man” – there is no solidarity with the likes of him.

  293. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    October 12, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I can barely wait – another bash WAPS hatefest! Which white group will be on the hit list next month? Perhaps we should examine the white desire to be considered equal no matter what our accomplishments combined with the desire to whine, loudly, if another group does not drag all others along when they do succeed?

  294. Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
    October 12, 2012 - 3:12 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:
    Exactly, morality is about doing good towards “the Other”. And if you want to behave extremely morally you search for the extreme Other. For the white man that is of course the black man. Hence white do-gooders always choose Africans as object of their moral exercises. And when it comes to adopting orphans, black children are adopted – the extreme other – which is therefore extremely moral.
    All of this is the derangement of excessive morality.

  295. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    October 12, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    The WASP/Puritan obsession with morality above all else will be Topic 1 for the issue.

    Dear Kevin,

    I have no idea whether what Flavia calls “morality” is what she truly believes morality to be. I for one certainly don’t call it or believe it so—the hypothetical and hardly credible situation she lays out involves, rather, something between embarrassment and shock at an appalling display of bad manners by a fellow White person, someone of whom one’s expectations would naturally be high and whose failure to meet those expectations would prompt an appropriately protective reaction—and I can’t believe you yourself would ever regard a genuine morality as being anything deducible from this tendentious, made-for-TV yarn.

    Thus, may I respectfully suggest that you revise Topic 1′s title to something more along the lines of, say, “The WASP/Puritan obsession with the Tribally manufactured pseudomorality that has been substituted for the authentic Aristotelian-Christian morality of the founders of Western societies—a morality from which their descendants have willingly and suicidally deracinated themselves—will be Topic 1 for the issue.” At the very least, some such decryption of this misused term should be appended as a footnote to it!

  296. October 12, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Dr MacDonald:

    I am delighted that TOQ finally approaches a subject that has tormented me since I became conscious about the Jewish Question a couple of years ago: how much blame can we assign to the tribe—and how much to ourselves?

    In a nutshell, I believe that individualism, universalism, weak ethnocentrism (“hardwired” characteristics in the White psyche since prehistoric times) + egalitarianism, liberalism, capitalism (cultural “software” after the Revolution which ironically strengthened Christian axiology) + the Jewish culture of critique in the 20th century = a truly lethal Witches’ brew for the White peoples.

    I say Witches’ brew because it seems that the etiology of our woes is a little more complex than what the average “monocausalist” (single Jewish causer) believes.

    Although in the past I’ve published a couple of psychological articles in academic journals, presently it is not my style and thus cannot contribute to TOQ. However, those interested in my thoughts on the “brew” that’s killing us can click on my penname above; scroll down and see the linked entries under the headings “On the culprits of the West’s darkest hour”.

    Look forward to reading the TOQ issue on this very subject.

    Cheers!

  297. flavia's Gravatar flavia
    October 12, 2012 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    @flavia:

    Great news! One more thing:

    This morality above all else almost lends itself to helping an out group instead of an in group because if the game is that morality is THE ULTIMATE virtue, then the best way to show your altruism is by helping an out group. Because it is in our biological interest to help our ingroup- so WASPS would then by default choose to help the outgroup (showing they are so virtuous they can circumvent their BIOLOGY!) as it shows the ULTIMATE altriusm- helping someone who does not benefit you in any way and even might hurt you. It’s not as if they don’t know this or do it in spite of….they do it BECAUSE OF.

    I have so many people on my FB with smiling African kids, looking smug as all get out.

    “LOOK HOW GOOD I AM.”

  298. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    October 12, 2012 - 2:15 pm | Permalink

    @Hedgerow:

    In reference to my previous post, Michael Harrington, as a criticism, referred to the attraction of Herbert Marcuse and others to the underclass, rather than the working class, as the agent of change as being the search for a substitute proletariat.

  299. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Edit: Forgive me, this was an after thought- any ideas anyone on how I might better and more quickly do so? Thanks in advance!

  300. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @Barkingmad:
    I can fully understand what you mean. I find it difficult to convey my thoughts many times, especially here, in a group of the awaken for some reason, and become frustrated. Probably due to the effects of mind control I suffered so long. I lack the ability to sufficiently express my ideas or concerns. Sad, really. But i plan on rectifying this immediately!

  301. Filthy Goyim's Gravatar Filthy Goyim
    October 12, 2012 - 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Mr MacDonald, you have written on several occasions that this group calling themselves jews do not become disturbed by Zionist Christians existence and tolerate them. To a former Zionist Christian, such as myself this is very disturbing and exposes ignorance (yet even more disturbing, as you appear to be a leader) This group calling themselves jews CREATED the Zionist Christian, manipulating their religious texts, infiltrating their former untainted group then placing corrupt leaders to mutate their doctrine and beliefs and in doing so, weakening a group they feared (appearantly the most) To claim the “jews” tolerate the Zionist Christian is absurd.

  302. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    October 12, 2012 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    “It is unprecedented for a civilization to voluntarily cede political and cultural hegemony to others, particularly when so many of these people harbor hatreds and resentments toward our people and our culture.”

    I think perhaps a kind of perfect storm occurred, where the left gave up on White workers as the agent of class struggle and economic change and instead looked to the third world underclass (many of them immigrants). This is fallout from the Nazi era and the 1960s. At the same time, capital in the globalized economy is looking for the cheapest labor it can find — often immigrant labor from less developed countries. Whatever the factors involved, the combination of forces at play is formidable.

  303. Norwegian's Gravatar Norwegian
    October 12, 2012 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    It would be a good idea to write about the new religion Holocaustianity, and its relationship so Chritianity.
    The central idea of the Christian faith is, that around 30 A.D. the son of God died on the cross – for our sins.
    The central idea of the Holocaustian faith is, that around 1944 A.D. the children of God – six million of them, in fact – died in the gas chamber – for our sins.

    The fact that both of these ideas took root on the European continent has to to with our unique Aryan psyche, especially related to concepts of blame, guilt and empathy. In fact, the pre-christian Norse myth of Balder’s death is revealing when one is trying understand this “weakness” of ours.

    The three myths are closely connected – to each other, and to the white race.

  304. Huntelaar's Gravatar Huntelaar
    October 12, 2012 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Christianity has had a large influence on Western egalitarian thought (all men are made equal before god) and race denialism (all men are the same before god). Also, the different sects working against each other has been disastrous for White unity and white survival.

    Another aspect is that we are too smart for our own good. Industrialization and later the welfare state resulted in a completely detached-from-reality society where we didn’t have to worry about self-preservation anymore. When life is so good people’s evolutionary instincts towards preservation are lowered, and especially so when they are already less ethnocentric than other groups, at least as Dr. KM has argued. This is why when economic downturns happen immigration always becomes and issue. Because there are white people who start realizing that people from other tribes are taking their jobs.

    A final thought, corporate elites. They undermine everything that is pure and good for profits. They have destroyed morality and have campaigned for centuries for their interests at the expense of the nations in which they reside and their people. The first asian immigrants to the USA and Canada were the result of corporate lobbying, and were only halted when the people became fed up and the legislatures responded with asiatic exclusion acts. Corporations have been ceaselessly lobbying for Free Trade deals since post WWII, which is a large force behind globalization and all of its ills.

  305. flavia's Gravatar flavia
    October 12, 2012 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I would love for someone to write about the WASP/Puritan obsession with morality above all else. I find that this is almost a pathological obsession to “out-moral” each other., even when one must sacrifice wealth, family, or life itself.

    I was flipping through the channels the other day and caught the first episode of Breaking Amish, which is a show about four Amish (two of which are adopted) that go to NYC to live the “English” life. I don’t and won’t watch the show because it is anti-white, anti-establishment values propaganda, but I did see some huge red flags in those two minutes.

    One Amish grandfather learned his (biological) granddaughter is leaving to NYC and just tells her to “get out” without trying to elicit an explanation or wishing her well. I see this as an example (albeit extreme) of general Northwestern European behavior. Morality is too rigid and when placed above all else, becomes a replacement for what SHOULD be paramount, which are blood and ethnic ties. The grandfather’s identity of Amish is above his identity of grandfather, when it should be the other way around.

    The other issue, is that the Amish girl “should know better”. There was no large effort to coerce her to stay- by either family or friends- or to offer support. I see this in WASPS too, there is too much importance placed on independence instead of guidance. I feel like there is this feeling that the “right mode of thinking” should come to everyone naturally, when that is not the case. This can cause resentment in people that feel (rightfully!) abandoned.

    I hope someone less clumsy with words can really explain the issues with dogmatic morality and hyper-individualism and how they can be a detriment.

    —–

    Last thing, and I will say this is not just WASPS. It is all of us- we place morality above group interests. I want to ask each and every one of you….let’s say you are talking to a non-white co-worker outside, just having a chat, and someone of your race hurls a very offensive insult at them.

    What would you do? How would you feel?

    I am going to be honest. I would be horrified, offended, apologetic- and probably tell off the person who hurled the insult- because I have this deep rooted need to display my morality. My desire to appear moral overrides my ethnic interest, even though I am well aware of them.

    (This is different that than being deceitful and acting offended…I can honestly say most of us WOULD be offended and embarrassed.)

  306. Nick Dean's Gravatar Nick Dean
    October 12, 2012 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

    “the bottom line is that we are allowing the unfolding disaster to happen”

    I’m not, neither are you, therefore we are not. Others are doing it to us.

  307. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    October 12, 2012 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Fabulous idea, KM. Time to start looking at ourselves, at our daily lives, instead of just screeching about the juze. Wish I could write, I’m so opinionated about this.

  308. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    October 12, 2012 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    Looking on the bright side,

    The White Student Union at Towson is having a HUGE effect. It has actually gotten respectable media coverage. The Huffington Post gave Jared Taylor Matt Heimbach an opportunity to debate several black and the SPLC on air for about an hour about the reason why whites should organize for their interests by creating a White Student Union.

    Check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/white-student-union-towson-university_n_1958868.html

  309. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    October 12, 2012 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    Many of the whites I live around in New Jersey who are above the age of 30 seem to have little connection to the growing diversity around us.

    I can understand this because I too had no concept of it until I actually left my county to go to a college in an urban area where all of the sudden I was overwhelmed by a huge, mostly foreign, population.

    At many colleges around the NY/NJ area, especially around NY though, there are huge amounts of Indians and Asians.

    That is when I realized that diversity had nothing to do with the Civil Rights Movement—which was supposed to be a reconciliation between blacks and whites in America.

    The clear connection between diversity and the far-left is what made it obvious to me that there was a more ideological, and rather sinister, agenda.

    American whites are in particular trouble though because we do not even share a collective sense of unity or identity. For example, in this town near me there is this Irish restaurant where everyone around who is Irish goes to celebrate on St. Patty’s Day.

    I also know this young guy who’s parents are Greek and he identifies 100% as Greek. He joined a Greek fraternity in college.

    And I know a young women who is an American native and fully identifies as Italian and treats NYC as her fatherland.

    The only unity American whites had was around the Protestant and Catholic churches.

    Those are also other identities that whites still have.

    But many of the whites I live around (I live in a 95% white town) have families who lived here WAY BEFORE the diversity explosion.

    So really most whites are just not bothered by it. I wouldn’t have cared either if I never went to college at a large state school with only 40% “white” demographics.

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