Ethnocentrism is normal and rational

Domitius Corbulo


The most often heard accusation by liberals against white nationalists and critics of mass immigration is that they are bedevilled by “irrational fears”.  White nationalists are parochial and unsophisticated, outside the standards of morality, lacking in sympathy and compassion for others and for “humanity” itself.

But none of this is true. Science is now educating us that White nationalists are normal humans beings who happen to exhibit a healthy and “positive” evaluation of their own ethnic group consistent with evolutionary theory. This is the argument white nationalists can opportunely take from a scientific paper published in Psychological and Cognitive Sciences (January 2011), with the fitting title: “Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism”.

It is not an argument liberals wanted to hear. Written by a research team at the University of Amsterdam, directed by Dr. Carsten de Dreu, this article shows that oxytocin is a molecule associated with in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Through a series of experiments in which participants were administered doses of oxytocin,   the researchers learned that “a key mechanism facilitating in-group cooperation is ethnocentrism, the tendency to view one’s group as centrally important and as superior to other groups” at the expense of an out-group.

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Oxytocin had long been identified as a hormone made in the brain during sexual reproduction, particularly during childbirth and breastfeeding, in association with motherly bonding and affection.  In the last few years, many were even calling it the “love hormone” after researchers observed that the human body released the highest doses of oxytocin (into the bloodstream) during intimate situations, caressing, and sexual climax. The pop psychology establishment and the liberal press could not contain their enthusiasm for what appeared to be a “moral molecule” which could be studied, nurtured, and then administered medically to enhance love across the world. Here is part of an abstract to a 2007 article “Oxytocin Increases Generosity in Humans,” from PLOS One Journal:

In this study, participants were infused with 40 IU oxytocin (OT) or placebo and engaged in a blinded, one-shot decision on how to split a sum of money with a stranger that could be rejected [in which case, no one got any money]. Those on OT were 80% more generous than those given a placebo. … OT and altruism together predicted almost half the interpersonal variation in generosity. Notably, OT had twofold larger impact on generosity compared to altruism. This indicates that generosity is associated with both altruism as well as an emotional identification with another person.

It was not long before the liberal media picked the good news. With an endearing title, “A Dose of Oxytocin Increases the Cuddles,” Jeffrey Kluger from Time reported (May 02, 2010) on the efforts of Psychiatrist Rene Hurlemann of Bonn University and neuroscientist Keith Kendrick of the Cambridge Babraham Institute to determine if oxytocin “could be artificially administered to a person to manipulate feelings of empathy and perhaps even learning.”  Kluger described their experiment as follows:

To test how oxytocin might affect those capabilities, Hurlemann and Kendrick ran a two-part experiment. In the first, 48 males were divided into two groups — half received an aerosol shot of oxytocin and half got a placebo — and then shown evocative pictures of things like a crying child, a grieving man and a girl hugging a cat. They were then asked to describe how deeply they were feeling the emotions associated with the pictures. On the whole, the men in the oxytocin group exhibited “significantly higher emotional empathy levels” than those in the placebo group.

But the “ethnocentric” paper I cited above soon came upon the scene. This article’s conclusion was clear:  the “widespread view” of oxytocin as a ‘cuddle chemical’ or ‘love drug’ was simple minded; oxytocin was a peptide shown to promote “intergroup bias: the unfair response toward another group that devalues or disadvantages the other group and its members by valuing or privileging members of one’s in-group”. These findings were framed in evolutionary terms; humans favor their own ethnic group because this attitude enhances their adaptive capacity.

This evolutionary perspective was emphasized in an earlier paper by the same author, Carsten de Dreu, and his associates, published in Science (11 June 2010), “The Neuropeptide Oxytocin Regulates Parochial Altruism in Intergroup Conflict Among Humans”.  Oxytocin is a “bonding hormone,” but one which functions for group unity (and not only for motherly love) in the face of out-groups. The point is not that in-groups needlessly seek to attack any out-group; it is neither that in-groups have an inborn disposition to hate others. In-group members concentrate on the performance of altruism within the group rather than aggression towards outsiders unless the competing out-group comes to be seen as a threat. Conflict escalation between ethnic groups is lower when physical barriers exist between them. The role of oxytocin is thus to promote altruism within in-groups and aggression towards out-groups  that are threatening the interests of the in-group.

The liberal world was at a lost how to react to this scientific research.  The pseudo-psychologist Paul J. Zak, prolific author, wannabe entrepreneur, public speaker and featured writer in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and USA Today, pushed ahead with a book entitled The Moral Molecule: The Source of Love and Prosperity (2012), claiming he had discovered and explored the biochemistry of sympathy, love, and trust – never mind that he paid no attention to any contrary argumentation.  Other liberals were not as oblivious, but instead switched gears and went on to condemn the molecule oxytocin as if it were a right wing political party spoiling the ennobling ideals of liberalism: David Mosher from Wired Magazine (January 12, 2011) announced “‘Cuddle Chemical’ Also Fuels Favoritism, Bigotry”. Lindsay Abrams from The Atlantic (September 21, 2012) declared: “Study: Oxytocin (‘The Hormone of Love’) Also Makes Us Conformists.” The Social Capital Blog, dedicated to human interaction and community, spoke of “Oxytocin’s Dark Side” (August 2012). Slate warned us “why the hype about oxytocin is dumb and dangerous” (July 2012). Psychological Science printed an article (September 2012) ratified as “The Herding Hormone: Oxytocin Stimulates In-Group Conformity”.  Nicholas Wade from the NYT, to his credit, reported Carsten de Dreu’s findings in a matter of fact tone, writing that “the love and trust it [oxytocin] promotes are not toward the world in general, just toward a person’s in-group. Oxytocin turns out to be the hormone of the clan, not of universal brotherhood.”

But here’s a dilemma Carsten de Dreu and his group seem unable to handle, despite their realization that ethnocentrism is not an irrational fear but a natural reaction: how is it that a hormone associated with breastfeeding and love, promotes “tribal” behaviour, aggression and conflict? How can the same “cuddle chemical” be associated with ostensibly opposite behaviours such as out-group derogation and violence? It is not that these scientists view this molecule naively in either-or, good-bad terms; de Dreu uses affirmative words —“loyalty,” “reliable and trustworthy,” “cooperation” —to describe in-group favoritism. But the use of these words, by de Dreu and his associates, are minimal and pretty much restricted to these examples. This compares to the many occasions in which they write of such “unfortunate” behaviours as “in-group bias,”  “unfair treatment, negative emotions,” “violent protest, and aggression among disfavored and excluded individuals.” These traits are abhorrent to a liberal psyche seeking to equalise rights and results regardless of race and gender —within a cultural landscape in which every institution operates in the name of a projected universal community in which everyone does or can belong.

In the face of these findings, liberals have invariably reacted  in two closely related ways: i) reject the experiments as “abstractions” which do not take into consideration the way in which “proper” socialization may encourage other dispositions and eventually break the “irrationality” of tribalism, or 2) find ways to medicate this disposition through experimental, psychological intervention; that is, they attempt to find ways to re-engineer other attributes within human nature in order that these may grow to colonize the rather “irrational” and “archaic” trait of ethnocentrism.  These reactions can be ascertained through the sources cited above. I encourage readers to watch “The Great Debate – Xenophobia: why do we fear others?” This debate, which took place recently (March 31, 2012) at Arizona State University, was about the human instinct to form in-groups and out-groups particularly along ethnic lines.  The scientists in this panel (primatologist Frans de Waal, economist Jeffrey Sachs, psychologist Steven Neuberg, neuroscientist Rebecca Saxe, and physicist and mathematician Freeman Dyson) all recognized in varying ways the powerful drive within all living beings, including bacteria, to organize themselves into in-groups and out-groups; and yet the tenor and objective of the conference, as evident from the title itself, was to view this   as a challenge for Western, diversifying societies, to press on towards newer forms of community and human solidarity without outside-ness and without the irrational fear of xenophobia. Jeffrey Sachs   openly acknowledged that societies with strong ethnic homogeneity (for which he mentioned the Nordic countries of Europe) were more peaceful and “happier” than diverse ones; and yet he did not even dare to ask why these societies and the European world generally are implementing diversity! The underlying motif of the whole gathering was to call for a greater sense of the “we” across ethnic lines, and for more integration. Some walked over their own findings to emphasize the “plasticity” of human nature, its flexibility and ability to be changed in ways that will make humans (Whites) become non-ethnocentric and willing participants in the creation of new, cosmopolitan identity. To top it all, the last panelist, New York Times editorialist Charles Blow, no scientist himself but a gratified Black man, reminded the audience how racist America still remains.

Liberals recoil from the possibility that an ethnocentric chemical is likewise a source of motherly affection.  This is why Carsten de Dreu sets up his findings as if they negated the “widespread view of oxytocin as a ‘cuddle chemical’ or a ‘love drug’”.  Instead of thinking of ethnocentrism in positive terms as involving loyalty and commitment (hence love) for one’s group, liberals draw a sharp dichotomy between these two emotions. They operate under the illusion that it is possible to speak of a universal humanity without outside-ness.  As Carl Schmitt wrote, for liberalism “humanity as such and as a whole has no enemies. Everyone belongs to humanity” (Cited in the “Foreword” to The Concept of the Political (1995, xxii).  Schmitt’s argument in The Concept of the Political that “the specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy” (p. 26) is, in fact, consistent with this research on ethnocentrism.  And, contrary to the mindset of liberalism, the political member of an out-group, according to Schmitt, “need not be morally evil or aesthetically ugly; he need not appear as an economic competitor,” even if he is, “nevertheless, the other, the stranger” (p. 27). The liberal automatically assumes that the other, the enemy, can only be seen in a hateful way by in-group members.  Carsten de Dreu observes, in fact, that the tendency for in-group members is to favour their own rather than to hate outsiders:

[T]here is good reason to believe that the in-group prejudice effect is far more basic to human life than is the out-group hate prejudice effect, and research on human ethnocentrism supported this positive-negative asymmetry of social discrimination…showing that oxytocin creates intergroup bias primarily because it motivates in-group favoritism and not because it motivates out-group derogation.

The liberals are the ones who speak in terms of good and evil in the realm of politics; having infused politics with a militant ideology in which everyone and anyone who refuses to join the universal “we” is despised as a xenophobic outsider. Rather than cave in to their accusations we should reply that their primary motivation is not in-group favoritism but out-group prejudice, since their objective is to create a universal community in opposition to any group that wishes to remain different.

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255 Comments to "Ethnocentrism is normal and rational"

  1. rick dimbath's Gravatar rick dimbath
    November 26, 2012 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    I agree with Carsten de Dreu!!

  2. Vlad Writes's Gravatar Vlad Writes
    November 20, 2012 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    Certainly, the Chinese have no problem with ethnocentrism. The new leadership is shockingly lacking in diversity – all chinese males above age 50 or so – from the looks of them.
    of course, some would say they have the ultimate true goal of diversity – no white males!

  3. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    November 17, 2012 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Richard Pierce wrote that he hopes one of our posters dies soon.

    That is also a blatant lie, I never wrote that I “hoped” anyone died. I don’t recall ever reading anything by you, Kyle, but I see you are hardly a fan of the truth.

  4. Richard Pierce's Gravatar Richard Pierce
    November 17, 2012 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Great, informative review of the current state of the science. Here’s to TOO publishing more like it!

    Richard Pierce … [has] accused half a dozen posters on here of being homosexuals, Jews, trolls, etc, in the most vile terms.

    That’s completely untrue. What I have said, and still maintain, is that Jason Speaks always defends Israel and Jewish interests, and tries to deflect criticism of them. I have never said he was a Jew, and I have never, not one time, ever accused anyone of being a homosexual. In fact, it was Jason Speaks and his partner, Mickey Meadows, who accused me of being a homosexual.

    “Concern troll” is a description of behavior, not a label for a person. I don’t recall ever reading any comments by “Kyle” before.

  5. November 13, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    My first post in this string is awaiting moderation, since it has links to where people here could learn techniques to take the battle to the mainstream. It would be excellent if you would add a little auxiliary function to this site of doing that. You would find yourselves feeling better with each other and feeling better individually.

  6. November 13, 2012 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    I meant to say,

    “…accomplishes more and stays in better mental health…”

    These threads at TOO are not healthy at present. And it’s obvious to anyone with experience at BUGS that it’s because energy here is not turned outward in shared work against the anti-white enemy, but instead is turned inward toward each other.

  7. November 13, 2012 - 11:08 am | Permalink

    I keep forgetting that readers will likely assume that BUGS is just another white site in the usual style, where the posters fuss with each other and do their best to create threads that will repel any uncommitted whites who stumble upon them.

    So I should always make explicit that the activity at BUGS takes place in the mainstream. BUGS is just where many of us report our activity and hone our techniques.

    All white sites including this one need to develop a similar function in addition to whatever they’re doing now. It’s akin to the idea that a man accomplishes more if he leaves the house each day for work instead of just lounging around the house and writing down his thoughts.

  8. November 13, 2012 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    redaction:

    “…and jump right in posting with us in the mainstream

  9. November 13, 2012 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    “I might also point out to you that the commenter “Harumphty Dumpty” is posting here on behalf of a website called: ‘White Genocide Project’.”

    You might at least have repeated my link:
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/

    You and other fussers here are invited to go there and learn how to do something useful. Beefcake’s Bootcamp there gives all the training one needs to start undercutting the structure that anti-whites have us entangled in. Unless you find that entanglement too enchanting to want to destroy of course.

    White GeNOcide Project is a site in support of the main Bugs site. The best way to begin fighting anti-Whites is to go directly to the main BUGS site and jump right in, and get advice as you go.
    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/where-did-you-post-the-mantra-today-iii/page/29/#post-32323

  10. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 13, 2012 - 3:24 am | Permalink

    @ “Richard” … I am hoping you can at last recognize the mental illness that has always afflicted whoever it is posting (literally) thousands upon thousands of comments here at TOO for the past 3 to 4 years … most of which were direct responses to almost every other Commenter who ever visits, with the goal of getting the debate diverted, or corrupted, or infantilized.

    Notice how he (she?) keeps digging into the archives, forever trying to dig up dirt on others posting here? Don’t you think that behaviour is rather fishy to say the least?

    I don’t know how many more times I shall have to expose “Jason Squeaks” to TOO audiences before a few more of you timid and less perceptive types finally catch on, and open your eyes to what is actually going on.

    The UNITED STATES is not a nation in the true sense of the world. It is an experimental, bolshevized zoo, populated by slaves (oblivious to their slave status) who possess a mean education level that is not that much higher than the farming communities of West Bengal, or of that found in the suburbs of Kabul, Afghanistan. The UNITED STATES is also happens to be a formally registered, Corporate entity that does NOT tolerate meaningful debate or dissent, wherever people attempt to conduct it.

    Hysterical clowns like “Jason Squeaks” [whether or not he is on the Mossad's or ADL's payroll is mere bagatelle] can scream and holler all night and day, because at the end of the day, that is all they can do … make lots of noise in the hope of keeping people’s attention while they subvert the atmosphere of informational exchange.

    I might also point out to you that the commenter “Harumphty Dumpty” is posting here on behalf of a website called: “White Genocide Project”. I seem to recall crossing swords with that same poster before, several months back. He displayed the same arrogance and blind support of Jason Squeaks back then as he does now.

    Now please read this extract:

    The culture of emotional demagogy is the dominant political norm. Weak people succumb to the blabber and whining that is the trademark of the collectivist. Real compassion demands individual responsibility. As long as the simpleton culture is deemed equal to rational thinkers, the prospects for meaningful revision of the confused political socialization culture will remain slim to nonexistent.

    Dismiss the external influences as mere clutter or subterfuge. Draw upon your family roots of respect and cooperation. Acknowledge that systemic corruption of the bureaucratic regime demeans citizens and resist any compliance of immoral requirements. Recognize that docility is tantamount to surrender. Use your God given intelligence and start thinking for yourself.

    Source

  11. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 11:36 pm | Permalink

    @Kyle:

    And yes that is me. Another name was copied into the Name field when I was copying and pasting my comments from before.

  12. Kyle's Gravatar Kyle
    November 11, 2012 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    (I’m not defending or taking sides here.)

    That’s exactly what you’ve done. You went out of your way to do so. You haven’t word one to Anglo Saxon or Richard Pierce. Both have accused half a dozen posters on here of being homosexuals, Jews, trolls, etc, in the most vile terms. And almost always with no provocation whatsoever. Richard Pierce wrote that he hopes one of our posters dies soon. I personally emailed MacDonald and that one was removed. They have made very vicious comments, yet, you remain silent about them.

    This is a practice used by so many liberals – ONLY jumping in once someone tries to defend himself from a bully. You say nothing as month after month of abuse comes a few posters, and only attack when someone tries to put them in their place.

    I have gone out of my not to say anything about what I consider your incredibly silly notions of “chastity” and all the rest of that philosophy. You seem to be bothered by anyone who has a backbone.

    The “pro-Whites” I made fun of were seldom pro-White. Or they were people like “Commander” Rockwell who set the White movement back decades.

    And please, whatever you do, don’t give me the fake humility routine.

  13. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 11, 2012 - 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I want to add something to my comment here @Richard:

    I wasn’t trying to make a big deal in my original comment here @Richard and I can understand your response, Jason.

    I’m not great with words. And sometimes I find it difficult to balance… things in my mind; like how to be kind, fair, and honest at the same time, especially when several people are involved. Of course I’m far from perfect.

    You suggested that I was being rude and sanctimonious, and I want to say that those things (rudeness and sanctimony) probably do exist inside me. I’m pretty sure they do.

    Also, I want to emphasize something I already wrote to you:

    “And it’s possible that your contribution to this site is many times greater and more helpful than mine.”

    You seem passionate and dedicated, and a lot of your comments impress me. So I don’t want my previous couple of comments to give you the wrong impression about how I see you.

    (At the same time, I don’t assume you care much about my opinion of your comments.)

  14. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 11, 2012 - 9:44 pm | Permalink

    “Let me get this straight Richard, you are now policing comments you find hypocritical, and over the last year mine are the only ones that qualify?”

    No.

    Unlike you, Jason, I haven’t tried to “police” or censor anyone else’s comments.

    And, like I have already said, we all are hypocritical once in a while.

    It’s just that you insult other commenters on a somewhat regular basis, and then blame Dr. MacDonald for not censoring the people who insult you.

    And your insults aren’t limited to just Anglo Saxon and Richard Pierce. You have insulted other commenters, too.

    (I’m not defending or taking sides here.)

    And you have insulted past pro-White figures.

    And sometimes you belittle and mock other people’s contributions to the pro-White movement. Or their areas of interest.

    And sometimes you accuse the entire T.O.O. audience of not even being pro-White.

    Etc.

    And under this thread you have written the following insults in your comments addressed to me.

    Rude; sanctimonious; uneducated about the basics of morals.

    I’m not really upset about these things, either. But they seem relevant enough to mention.

    “He, and Richard Pierce and really that is about it now, have routinely accused people here of all manner of vile thing, which doesn’t bother you, does it Richard?”

    It seems like you are trying to use BUGS tactics on me.

    My original comment was simple — you were being hypocritical and I pointed it out.

  15. Spectator's Gravatar Spectator
    November 11, 2012 - 8:43 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: You might wish to look into the work of McCluhan and Ong.

  16. November 11, 2012 - 8:36 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “This is one great thing about BUGS…we have WORK to do!”

    Exactly!

    Your last two paragraphs are right on the money! When all white sites have become activist sites in addition to whatever else they do, they will all have gotten a lot healthier!

  17. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 7:10 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Thanks. I make a lot of mistakes But I do try to avoid initiating personal attacks. However, I’ve never known the best way to deal with attacks when a party won’t shut up, even after being ignored.

    This is one great thing about BUGS. Personal attacks are limited because we have WORK to do! There isn’t time to engage in endless bickering. And we can forgive each other differences because we respect the work each of us is doing.

    If someone is posting the Mantra, well, I may disagree with them on some things, but I am on their side!

  18. November 11, 2012 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “I do not initiate personal attacks on people…”

    I can’t imagine your ever doing that, since it would be absurdly out of character for you as I’ve seen you at BUGS for many months now.

    Some people here need to get serious and find a way to fight anti-whites, instead of coming here and aiding anti-whites by creating disgusting threads that turn off any potential pro-whites who come here.

  19. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 6:00 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Let me get this straight Richard, you are now policing comments you find hypocritical, and over the last year mine are the only ones that qualify?

    Do you not understand the difference between one who initiates an attack and one who responds? Do you understand that? I explained, in great detail, that I never initiate any attack on AS or anyone else. He, and Richard Pierce and really that is about it now, have routinely accused people here of all manner of vile thing, which doesn’t bother you, does it Richard?

    So, if YOU respond to someone who has insulted you 10 times, I do not put that in the same category. If the moderators and Kevin MacDonald are allowing this to be a wild west of personal accusations, then I will defend myself against them and show contempt for those who do it.

    Why don’t you get off being sanctimonious and go figure out the source of these problems. I a not a pacifist, I have no intention of being attacked and playing Miss Manners in return, if the moderators let it happen.

  20. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 11, 2012 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    “I don’t appreciate the lectures from you.”

    I wasn’t really lecturing you or trying to say what you should or shouldn’t do.

    I was merely pointing out the apparent hypocrisy in your comment here @Jason Speaks.

    You insult other commenters, not just Anglo Saxon, and then you blame Dr. MacDonald for allowing personal insults.

    I wasn’t asking or expecting you to appreciate my comment. It wasn’t written just for you.

  21. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    In fact, there are instances on very recent threads of him initiating personal insults against several posters, in violation of the stated policy, which is never enforced. But you don’t say one goddamn thing about that, do you?

  22. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Why don’t you educate yourself on who started it before you make a comment, then? Why don’t you try and understand the context? It’s not difficult. That post I made was after a ton of insulting posts by that person directed at 3 or 4 people on this site. MacDonald never says anything, the moderators let it go, so after a while, yes, I respond, because when I have ignored him in the past, it continues. I would never say anything to him if he quit initiating attacks.

    I was not being “hypocritical:. I do not initiate personal attacks on people and continue them for months every time I log on. I was responding>/i> to an attack. I do not blame anyone for responding to an attack. AS accused me and others of being Jew, a pervert, a paid troll, and other vile statements.

    I didn’t see you stepping in to lecture him on that

    Frankly, it is rude of you to accuse me of hypocrisy when you just admitted you don’t even know what the context was. You are like someone who blames a criminal and a victim equally when you see them fighting, failing to make a moral distinction between those who are attacking and those who are finally fed up and defending.

    You should educate yourself on the basics morals and perhaps the history of a dispute before you repeatedly take one side over the other. I don’t appreciate the lectures from you.

    There is only one way to respond to someone who consistently engages in personal attacks of a crude nature, and that is to treat them with contempt (this is especially true if the moderators don’t take any action). To not respond was to leave the impression it was true. I had repeatedly told him each accusation was not true in a reasonable tone in the past, but it never mattered. So, I quite rightly treated him with contempt.

    If you are going to play the role of policemen, you might do the minimum amount of work and understand the origin of the conflict.

  23. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 11, 2012 - 4:03 pm | Permalink

    In my comment here @Richard, I wrote:

    “you often insult others.”

    Maybe the word “sometimes” or “once in a while” is more appropriate than the word “often”.

  24. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 11, 2012 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    You are asking Dr. MacDonald to end personal insults but, as I already pointed out, you often insult others.

    I’m not defending the people who insult you, but I think you’re being hypocritical.

    Here is what you wrote to Anglo Saxon under a different article:

    “Anglo Saxon, The only thing you slap regularly are parts of yourself. You are the kind of effeminate poser that parasites every blog. You’ve never done anything pro-White in your life. Youve never brought anything positive to this site in almost two years. Like any old cranky queen, you sit around attacking half a dozen posters in order to get attention.

    The men have work to do. Can’t you and the other nancy boys go play somewhere else?”

    I don’t know who started it or when. And I’m not saying that you shouldn’t have written that.

    We’re all hypocritical once in a while, and I think that sometimes we don’t even realize it. I know that has been true for me.

  25. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Fable of: The Bald Man and the Fly

    A FLY bit the bare head of a Bald Man who, endeavoring to destroy it, gave himself a heavy slap. Escaping, the Fly said mockingly, “You who have wished to revenge, even with death, the prick of a tiny insect, see what you have done to yourself to add insult to injury?”

    The Bald Man replied, “I can easily make peace with myself, because I know there was no intention to hurt. But you, an ill-favored and contemptible insect who delights in sucking human blood, I wish that I could have killed you even if I had incurred a heavier penalty.”

    {Ditto}

  26. November 11, 2012 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    I ask you for the third time:

    What are you doing to chase the R-word out of white minds and replace it with the terms, “white genocide,” and “anti-white”?

    You do understand that that is what needs to be done?

  27. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 12:14 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Fable of: The Monkey and the Dolphin

    A SAILOR, bound on a long voyage, took with him a Monkey to amuse him while on shipboard. As he sailed off the coast of Greece, a violent tempest arose in which the ship was wrecked and he, his Monkey, and all the crew were obliged to swim for their lives.

    A Dolphin saw the Monkey contending with the waves, and supposing him to be a man (whom he is always said to befriend), came and placed himself under him, to convey him on his back in safety to the shore.

    When the Dolphin arrived with his burden in sight of land not far from Athens, he asked the Monkey if he were an Athenian. The latter replied that he was, and that he was descended from one of the most noble families in that city.

    The Dolphin then inquired if he knew the Piraeus [the famous harbour of Athens]. Supposing that a man was meant, the Monkey answered that he knew him very well and that he was an intimate friend.

    The Dolphin, indignant at these falsehoods, dipped the Monkey under the water and drowned him.

    {Hat Tip: Aesop}

  28. November 11, 2012 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    If I hadn’t figured out long ago that almost all people who cause others discomfort on white sites, and consequently get accused of being various varieties of anti-white (it’s happened to me here…I was fascinated to find out that I’m Jewish), are in fact just exhibiting the orneriness of dissidents, I’d think you were purposefully trying to drive away someone who is doing useful work in spreading the memes and terms connected to white genocide in the mainstream and is trying to get others to join him in that work.

    But I don’t think that. I think you’re just being you.

    But I ask you again:

    What are you doing to chase the R-word out of white minds and replace it with the terms, “white genocide,” and “anti-white”?

    You do understand that that is what needs to be done?

  29. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 11, 2012 - 1:11 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Kevin MacDonald, I thought you said you wanted an end to personal attacks. Yet you indulge this.

  30. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 11, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Don’t jump to hasty conclusions Harumphty, and try to avoid being dragged into the whirlpool of emotional hysteria that regularly washes over this website whenever that “joint I bogarted” writes his ubiquitous silliness.

    I have been commenting here at TOO for over 4 years. However long it actually is, I know that I began commenting pretty soon after Professor MacDonald first launched his website. I remember well the old format.

    Even though I say so myself, I have contributed more of real and lasting value here on these pages than “Jason Squeaks” and her ilk will ever scrape together in a decade of ubiquitous posts. Another troublemaker who keeps posting snide little remarks and encouraging negativity is “Alice Teller”. If others keep engaging in direct conversation with obvious troublemakers then they are more likely to have their sense of importance inflated, and will thus stay here longer.

    I remember a time here when the level of debate was so high, those of “Jason Squeaks” and “Alice Tellers” lowly intellectual and emotional status wouldn’t dare to post.

    As regards hurting that “joint” you wish to see protected … It all depends on how you measure value and effectiveness. Basically, it boils down to:

    Those who like to make lots of noise and who prefer to cry when challenged vs. those who quietly work in the real world for positive change (which means doing something other than just typing on a keyboard).

    In the final analysis, the Internet is just a medium of informational exchange. No website, of itself, is going to orchestrate lasting and positive change … in the same mould, you can’t change the world by simply writing a book.

    And please don’t quote the ‘Christian’ Bible at me, as it was surely the Sword and financial tyranny that spread Roman Christianity. Wouldn’t you agree?

  31. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 10, 2012 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Well said Richard. You have been blessed with some wisdom. Use it well.

  32. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 10, 2012 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: I believe that although what you say is true about increased demand for housing caused by immigration, the main component to the demand side is monetary. Canada’s mortgage rates, in line with those of all other countries, have been lowered to “stimulate” growth, courtesy of central banks’ targeting of part of the yield curve. If this were not happening, and yields were higher, many retirees etc. would be able to live off yields alone. As it is, many have migrated to higher risk ventures (real estate, for example) to compensate for the skimpy yields.

    The real estate shyster, symptom of the malaise, the central bank/commercial bank cartel its cause.

    Putting aside different opinions on causes/cures, can we agree on the dark clouds massing over the housing market up there?
    http://theeconomicanalyst.com/content/charting-growth-canadas-mortgage-monster-what-now-mr-flaherty

  33. November 10, 2012 - 11:43 am | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    @ Jason Speaks

    While I frequently disagree with Hadding Scott, where it comes to the use of the four letter n-word, he is absolutely spot on. The word was invented by the tribe as a pejorative term, not just for the NSDAP, but all Germans. The constant barrage of WWII propaganda has continued unabated since first rolled out a lifetime ago. You can’t have a rational discussion about Germany from 1933-45 in civil rights, economic, or cultural terms. All Germans, whether military, scientists, or factory workers were Nazis.

    Are all in the US military Democrats now, but Republicans 10 years ago? How about all employed by the CIA, Raytheon, General Motors, etc.?

    Labels like White Nationalist are a lightning rod for links to the n-word. I believe Nationalist is sufficient. Most whites identify with their country. The recent wave of the non-pigmentally challenged “multi-cultural” groups link to their local “community” i.e. their own, and country of origin. The blacks hyphenated themselves as Africans years ago.

  34. November 10, 2012 - 11:02 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    I think we agree on a number of issues, Big Pharma, “free trade”, and yes, the immigration of thousands of Mexicans moving northward added to the hundreds of thousands of Africans and Asians flooding the country. Again, these are all issues controlled by the parasite infested political parties at the federal level. I cannot comment on the political parties at the state or civic level, but in Canada open political affiliation at the civic level can be the kiss of death. At the provincial level, the party label does not always match the content. Often, the Liberals have been more conservative than the Progressive Conservatives, and our alleged socialists have sold off government owned assets to the private sector.
    Our governments have created corporations when the private sector was gouging the citizens because of the lack of competition or regulation. Our experience was much different. It is only the betrayals beginning 40 years ago, which have become increasingly more frequent, that will ultimately destroy us.

    As for CMHC, there is, no doubt, a potential problem, but that will come from mass unemployment. It is much more difficult to get a mortgage here. Zero down payments and interest only mortgages have never existed. The primary lender – a bank or credit union – won’t even let you in the door if your mortgage payment is more than 30% of household income, and at that level they are cautious. Even renting requires a stable income source and guarantees.

    The housing “bubble” is a manufactured bubble. Real estate agents decided the cost of housing in larger centres varied to greatly across the country, and encouraged people to list at a slightly higher than market value. Then the tribe controlled media started the campaign about the “hot” real estate market and the “deals” to be had. This started bidding wars on the properties. Someone would have to be insane to pay the “market” value for my house, and it seems there is no shortage of the insane. The fancier 4-5 bedroom/ bathroom mini-mansion homes are cheap, by comparison.

    The other part of the manufactured bubble is unnecessary immigration, This is particularly true in the now Asian vicinity of Vancouver, and the African/Asian soon to be war zone of the greater Toronto area.

  35. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 10, 2012 - 1:15 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: Pierre, sorry I missed your excellent retort on my post, and must admit you have a good point. Psychologists have pretty convincingly established a close similarity between criminals and police as far as personality profiles go. They’re just on opposite sides!!

  36. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 10, 2012 - 1:09 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Yes you are right, emotions matter. A lot. And I want to do something that works. If I’m striking a tone that doesn’t work, it needs to change. However, I am not sure what constitutes “whining” in this case. Awakening Whites to the fact that they are the victims of something monstrous on an historical scale isn’t whining in my book.

  37. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 11:54 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:Here’s where I get to make a plug for one Jewish (surname?) psychologist – Lloyd Glauberman’s Hypno-Peripheral Processing. Two different stories played contemporaneously and separately to each ear overwhelm the conscious brain, and usher in a form of dreamy, heightened receptiveness in which positive messages can be inserted, effecting gradual behavioural change.

    I’m a user.

    Is not Roissy the archetype of the neural programming to which you refer?

  38. November 9, 2012 - 11:42 pm | Permalink

    I would like to respectfully ask this of everyone who is reading and posting here:

    “What are you doing to chase the R-word out of white minds and replace it with “white genocide” and “anti-white”?

    You do understand that that is what needs to be done?

  39. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 11:39 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You are discussing logic and I am discussing emotion. It is not a question of being invincible it is refusing to whine. Object strenuously, get outraged, punch him in the nose if need be. Do not submit. It is akin to those who offer us wonderful arguments about what a swell guy Uncle Adolf was. I will still react with revulsion on the Counter-currents page, no matter how wonderful the article is. We are human beings not machines. Smart politicians take that into account.

  40. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:Only property can be stolen, not thoughts.☺
    http://fabhowto.com/how-to-make-a-dream-catcher/

  41. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 11:01 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    blockquote> The idea that goodness and love can emerge from coercion and violence is the alchemists dream; lead to gold, just need the right incantation.
    Best line I’ve heard in a dog’s age. May I steal it?

  42. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    But aren’t you in danger, out of disgust with those who abuse the term ‘victim’, of acting like there is no such thing as a victims in the world? I am telling you, there is something in this cocksure, I’m White, I can’t be hurt attitude that has hindered Whites from forming a proper response.

    Why do you have a justice system in the first place? Why do we have police? Obviously, we all recognize that there are crimes, and that in a crime you have a perpetrator and a victim. I can’t imagine that in 1910, if a White woman were raped by a Black man, people would tell her to suck it up and quit whining.

    I know you don’t mean that, but somehow Whites, especially conservative Whites, have been suckered into attempting to balance out the over use of the victomology, but telling the world that they won’t even recognize legitimate crimes against their own children.

    I’m sorry, but what does denying that we let our White children down, and properly using terms that describe a real situation, have to do with fighting feminism?

  43. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 10:48 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Easy Jason, we are on the same side here. Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I am not addressing the morality of the issue – simply the wisdom of a particular word choice. Just as there are emotional reverberations to words like abortion there are emotions attached to some words that are not worth fighting about. I agree that we have been sinned against, insulted, outraged and so on. I suggest we fight it on moral, intellectual, and ethical grounds.

    I have simply fought for too many years against feminists who claimed that an affluent white suburb was only a comfortable concentration camp. Too many nasty people snarling in my face that asking anyone to accept responsibility for themselves is “blaming the victim” I cannot and will not accept that mantle. The day when we sink to claiming to be the greatest victim is the day I will leave for good and agree to fade into the west with the Fair Folk. We are who we are.

  44. November 9, 2012 - 10:46 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Here’s where you can get to work and do something useful:
    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/where-did-you-post-the-mantra-today-iii/page/22/
    Here’s where you can get some help on how to do it (but I recommend just jumping right in without preparation and get help as you go…that worked fine for me).
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/beefcakes-bootcamp-episode-1-intro-to-the-swarm/

  45. November 9, 2012 - 10:44 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Don’t…Bogart…that…joint…my friend…

    Jason is a 100% effective spreader of the white genocide message among mainstream whites, and a 100% effective inspirer of the others of us who do the same from BUGS.

    What are you doing to chase the R-word out of white minds and replace it with “white genocide” and “anti-white”?

    You do understand that that is what needs to be done?

  46. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 9, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    I didn’t really give advice in my comment, but I understand what you mean.

    And it’s possible that your contribution to this site is many times greater and more helpful than mine.

    (I don’t mean to sound wishy washy by constantly using words like “possible” and “seems” and “maybe”, it’s just that they help me to write from an honest place.)

  47. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    Well thanks for the unsolicited advice, but my comments are directed at people whose primary mode of operation is insulting others and never doing anything positive. In fact, they are virtually always in response to what someone else wrote about me or someone else.

  48. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    I think we should be careful about insinuating that there is some moral failing with people who want their legitimate claims to a grievance to be recognized, as if they were some kind of group of whiners seeking “victim” status.

    i would say it is the previous generations whose moral cowardice has led to our current horror that should be examined. A White kid born today, especially in a poor or working class area, faces enormous obstacles, including physical attacks and personal humiliation from the “people of color” around him. Hhe is educated in a system that requires him to write about how bad his ancestors are and to praise Latinos, Asians and Blacks as gods. He is routinely degraded in movies and on TV. The rape of White males in prison is now concerned a giggle line in movies.

    He didn’t make that happen. The people who were supposed to look out for him let it happen. People like his parents and grandparents. They can pat themselves on the back all they want , but there is something morally grotesque about people who got to grow up in a 90% White world and who then failed to secure their children’s future, suddenly lecturing them on character or being “whiny”.

  49. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 9, 2012 - 9:48 pm | Permalink

    It could be called pseudo-free trade. “Free trade.”

  50. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 9:15 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: “Free trade deals” wouldn’t need thousands of pages of regulatory legislation. What these deals really represent is preferential government treatment for large commercial lobbies, ie. mercantilism. Everyone not a party to the deal suffers.

    Some of those Mexicans who now migrate northwards, or who traffic narcotics, arms and people used to be gainfully employed as farm workers on small Mexican estates. NAFTA gave Big Agra the wherewithal to destroy many small Mexican farmers, sloughing off hordes of impoverished peasant-workers.

  51. November 9, 2012 - 9:09 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: It seems to me that you are expressing personal hostility instead of discussing facts, and it’s all based on the fact that once upon a time I asked some questions that you and your crew didn’t want to answer. Seriously, grow up.

  52. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 8:58 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:Well, my reiterated rants against “intellectual property”, patents and copyright both, should have made clear what a racket the pharmaceutical market is. But the drug market is a reflection of the regulatory regime. Boldrin and Levin have an excellent chapter on precisely this:
    http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/papers/ip.ch.9.m1004.pdf

    As for Canada, I offer you the mother of all moral hazard CMHC (~ Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac) presiding over a real-estate bubble more spectacular than that of the US, and one that seems ready for a popping.

    I don’t believe that taxation has any legitimacy, representation or not. I pay taxes because I do not wish to suffer the consequences of non payment. The idea that goodness and love can emerge from coercion and violence is the alchemists dream; lead to gold, just need the right incantation.

  53. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 9, 2012 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    I can definitely relate to what you’re saying.

    @fender:

    Hi Fender

    I hear what you’re saying.

    And on an unrelated note, I want to apologize for writing about you in the 3rd-person in my comment here @Richard.

    There is something inconsiderate about that, and it wasn’t really intentional.

  54. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 9, 2012 - 7:49 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:

    Hi Jason

    Sometimes you write inflammatory and/or insulting comments yourself, which is probably one of the reasons why you attract negative responses from others on a regular basis.

    It’s understandable, though. Especially in light of the fact that you write a lot of comments — the more comments a person writes, the more likely it is that he or she will offend someone.

    There is a lot of drama and conflict and disagreement on the internet.

  55. November 9, 2012 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    The moderation algorithm detects problems every time that six-letter word appears; it detects disruption and intentional hostile confusion.

    My posts very rarely go to moderation.

  56. Ralph's Gravatar Ralph
    November 9, 2012 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @snapperhead soup: You wrote: “Rationally speaking, the two main threats to whites come from Jews(who are smarter and more aggressive) and blacks(who are stronger and more aggressive).”

    Speak for yourself, about yourself.

    I submit that there are, indeed, genetic differences among various tribes of our White sub-species and that there are some of our White tribes who are smarter, stronger and more aggressive than any non-White groups.

  57. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 9, 2012 - 6:19 pm | Permalink

    The Lawrence Welk mentality- God Bless ‘em:

  58. TabuLa Raza's Gravatar TabuLa Raza
    November 9, 2012 - 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Karlfried sez:

    The country was built from whites for whites, most buildings, bridges, houses are from that time. They stand, and they will stand for decades and they stand for the strength and power of the race which built it. So the overall picture of the country stays the same. The existing of the buildings gives a false feeling of security for the original population. A white person looks at the buildings and thinks: that is my country. But in reality in many of these houses there live foreigners, more and more

    I could not agree more. Around six years ago a relative needed some good surgery so we went from the Inland Empire (California) to Hoag Hospital in Newport Beach. She had a private room overlooking the Pacific Ocean and Lido Isle. I felt- it’s 1965 all over again. A relaxed, affluent White community. And the folks there think it’s still 1965!

    This is a Presbyterian hospital. Walking down a hall I encountered a large mural of John Wayne. The local airport is John Wayne Airport. The “Lawrence Welk” mentality prevailed- all’s well in our little protected cocoon where WE DON’T HAVE TO THINK UGLY THOUGHTS. It’s a;ways been this way and always will be. . .

  59. November 9, 2012 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    I’m sorry, I don’t follow the logic.
    If there are sustainability issues with our system, the are:
    1) the number of patients; 2) other cost drivers; and 3) the amount of money the government is prepared to put into the system.
    In respect of 1), other than political decisions related to immigration, people will use the system when necessary. There are those that will over use, and those that will under use. In insurance terms, that is called experience. Insurance companies base premiums on experience + administration costs + profit margin.
    Not for profit insurance companies like Green Shield or Blue Cross base premiums the same way, except the profit margin is zero.
    The government budgets exactly the same way as not for profit. The cost savings are group purchasing, and stabilized labour costs.

    In respect of 2), the fastest growing costs have been pharmaceuticals. When our federal government gave the drug companies 25 year patents, in the late 1980s, the prices started to rise immediately. Drug companies re-bound their drugs in new formulae without changing the active ingredients. This is the case with a large number of “new” drugs.
    In respect of 3), when insurance companies start to bleed on claims, they cut you off. Your only course of action is to sue
    as an individual. If you are dumped, if you are fortunate enough to find an alternate carrier, your premiums will be higher. The government’s tolerance is the voter backlash at the amount they are prepared to spend, and on who and what is covered. The system is based on need, not wants. You pay your own way, or buy insurance for services not deemed medically necessary.
    In that sense, we have more control.
    Canada has a long history of co-operatives, particularly in rural areas. We are used to banding together to take on corporations acting against the public interest. We also have a long history of governments working with the private sector, when appropriate, and challenging it when needed. An example is the reufal to deregulate our financial sector when pressured by the banksters.
    To sum up, the problems facing our system have been caused by political decisions, almost exclusively at the federal level, not at the provincial level. The provinces do not control immigration from Asia, Africa, or Central and South America. The provinces do not control free trade deals, patent laws, or other matters that affect cost drivers.

    What has caused problems provincially is the constant stream of “experts” coming from the US over the last 20 years, to lecture us on how to manage the system. This has led to a massive growth in bureauocracy that simply did not exist previously. Lower quality of service has been the direct result. As an example, a friend who works in the system reports that there are now 2 additional layers of management in his area alone. He hasn’t a clue what they do, other than create incomprehensible policies that un-necessarily complicate the job he has been doing for decades. There is no benefit to the patient.

    As stated previously, in my view, the “individual liberty” viewed by so many Americans is out of kilter. The “individual liberty” has to be within a context, not open ended. The rallying cry “taxation without representation” does not mean you do not have to pay taxes.

    There is no question our country has many similar issues to the US where immigration is concerned. The problem for the most part, is at the federal level, not the state/provincial level. Gettiing the little knesset out is the first step for all of us.

  60. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    Envy

  61. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Why do you just log on to mindlessly attack people and then go away for months at a time? You are a strange queer bird.

    You don’t know a goddamn thing about me, and believe me, other people in this “movement” do, so stop mis-characterizing what I do. I really wish Kevin MacDonald or someone would check you out.

    You led a campaign to get me banned over a year ago, which went nowhere. You have spread vicious rumors about me and others forever. You seem to feed more on interpersonal confrontation on a computer board – is that because you fear confronting men in person ? – than actually doing anything pro-White.

    So, look, all is forgiven if you go post the Mantra 100 times and report back your results. If not, you are yet another old WN clown that will go to his grave having done nothing for his people – ever.

  62. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 9, 2012 - 10:55 am | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Wall St. indeed is drenched in moral hazard. The riskiest players have been rewarded from the public purse, and those players who displayed a modicum of caution have been shown the folly of prudence and will risk-up accordingly. Fractional-reserve banking has all the dynamics of a Ponzi scheme, and so will end in GFC II. Chicken gizzards or coffee grounds for timing, but years not decades I’d wager.

    The early participants in a Ponzi scheme actually do very well. They receive high dividend streams, paid from the capital of the late arrivals, lured by the investment “success” on the former. Trick is when to get out. I don’t doubt the Canadians have good memories of the early days, nor do I dispute this perception is based on reality. Where I part company from you is in the scheme’s fairness and also its sustainability.

  63. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 9, 2012 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: Wrong again Hadding.

    It’s not that four-letter word beginning with “n” which triggers moderation of your comments, it’s that six-letter word starting with “H”, and ending with another word called “Scott” which sets off the alarm bells.

    The moderation algorithm detects problems every time that six-letter word appears; it detects disruption and intentional hostile confusion.

    The moderation algorithm “gets it”.

  64. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 9, 2012 - 10:19 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: Good point Jason.

    While the leader of NS Germany may not have used “genocide” as one of his talking points, in his mantras to his people, he definitely got the same idea across.

    No people will ACT against their own genocide unless they get the IDEA that they are being genocided.

    Using the term “genocide” is a bitch-slap to people who are lost in their induced fantasies that “we’re all the same”, with “No Enemy” bumper stickers and t-shirts to remind themselves of their delusions.

    The very fact that in many discourses where the “G-word” is dropped, it causes upset and consternation, means that IT GETS ATTENTION. That’s the first step … then come the “short swords”, which you know all about.

    Ignore Hadding Scott. He’s a disrupter, and whether he knows it or not, is playing his game to break things down, not build them up. With “friends” like Hadding Scott, who needs anti-White enemies?

  65. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 9, 2012 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:

    Trenchant, your brilliant metaphor of “the Amren is a fine car” … “with airbags all around” had me rolling on the floor laughing.

    As one of the local “airbags” in this neighborhood, the humorous metaphor was exquisite!

    More metaphor! Less “analysis”!

  66. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    One of the most succinct delineations of the current madness I have read from an article by Alexander Forrest in AltRight

    Now consider multiculturalism. We are instructed by the liberal priesthood to worship the Other and all of its sacred forms. Only by prostrating ourselves before diversity will our hateful lives be purified. Multiculturalist virtue requires elevating the interests of outsiders above the welfare of our people because this will serve the collective good of humanity. Diversity is a strength and all can enjoy its benefits with trickle-up economics. The fate of non-Whites is thus our responsibility. Those who succeed do so without future obligation to us, and those who fail do so only because of injustices that must be rectified.

  67. Spartacus's Gravatar Spartacus
    November 9, 2012 - 9:22 am | Permalink

    Does anyone here have statistical data concerning ethnocentrism/xenophobia on a worldwide scale (measurements of attitudes)? I tried it on the internet but the result was nada. What I found was a quite interesting and up-to-date survey for Europe (see here: http://www.kuleuven.be/citizenship/_data/0608-APSA.pdf). I did a quick correlation and regression computing holding ethnocentrism against geographical latitude (= geographical center of the state guessed from a map). The correlation is a considerable -0.66, which means ethnocentric attitudes go down form south to north – exactly as Prof. MacDonald says in his trilogy.

  68. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 9, 2012 - 9:12 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    You are on the something here. Victim is perhaps the most problematic word. Those most open to our ideas are disgusted with the never-ending phony complaints of our officially designated victims. Which does not mean that we have not been sinned against.

    On the other hand, I imagine that for young people raised to view victimization as the ultimate trump card it might work.

  69. November 9, 2012 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    @Trenchant:
    And the private sector Wall Street insurance business isn’t a Ponzi scheme?

    There have been numerous studies that have shown outcomes for the patients in Canada are better than the US. As I stated before, the system is not perfect, but my parents’ generation, born in the first decade of the last century, who were wary of it at introduction, came to the conclusion it was better than the previous scheme.

  70. Darth Vader's Gravatar Darth Vader
    November 9, 2012 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    Good article.

    This is really good news.

    I knew we were right about ethno-nationalism being more in touch with nature.

  71. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 7:00 am | Permalink

    @Karlfried:

    Thanks for the analysis and you are right. Most Whites – including most Whites who are pro-White – are apparently oblivious to how rapid the change is, how far it has already progressed, and how close we are to an irresistible tipping point.

    Now, we still have time to stop it, but we are in a more precarious position than they realize. As you said, they see the monuments and buildings and think they are still in 1955.

  72. Axon's Gravatar Axon
    November 9, 2012 - 5:44 am | Permalink

    Not only is ethnocentrism normal but its political expression ‘ethnonationalism’ is morally superior than multiculturalism.

    If morally the ‘ideal’ society is that which ‘produces the most good for the most people for the most time’ (a position few liberals would deny prima facie), then since ethnically homogeneous societies are happier, healthier, more prosperous & altruistic (as contemporary studies are showing despite the pervasive antithetical dogma!) then, ethnonationalism, being the pursuit of ethnically homogeneous societies, is morally greater than the pursuit of ethnically heterogeneous societies.

    Furthermore nationalism that also promotes universal nationalism (i.e., nationalism for all peoples) is thus morally superior a fortiori.

    The point being: making rational arguments based on objective standards (i.e., scientific studies) is all very well and good, but they are of a wholly different nature to moral arguments, because moral arguments have an emotional content. They can feel right or wrong in a way rational arguments cannot. Moral arguments predicated upon rational arguments are of course the most useful, thus one shouldn’t simply argue that a proposition is better if one can also meaningfully assert the moral superiority of that proposition too.

    Few will care if ethnocentrism is “rational”, or even “normal” (extreme selfishness can be argued to be either…), if they also believe it to be “bad”, “immoral”, or “evil”.

    “ETHNOCENTRISM IS MORAL & GOOD!!!”

  73. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 9, 2012 - 4:20 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: A partly explanation is this:
    The country was built from whites for whites, most buildings, bridges, houses are from that time. They stand, and they will stand for decades and they stand for the strength and power of the race which built it. So the overall picture of the country stays the same. The existing of the buildings gives a false feeling of security for the original population. A white person looks at the buildings and thinks: that is my country. But in reality in many of these houses there live foreigners, more and more.

    Whites feel safe due to the many good things that are being at this time.
    But Whites do not see the rapid change toward the catastrophic things which are developing to come. In Germany an hour at a big city hospital where the babies are can tell you how rapidly, how fast this change, this influx of a foreign non-white population goes forward. It is almost incredible.

  74. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 9, 2012 - 2:43 am | Permalink

    @John hearns: John … you need to see thru “Jason Squeaks”. He / She / It isn’t at all what you think it is.

    Jason Squeaks is essentially a paid troll, who posts numerous comments thickly laced with ‘Predictive’ and ‘Suggestive’ Programming hooks. These form part of a larger repertoire that are collectively referred to as Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP).

    NLP is a very hostile yet surreptitious approach to communication, mass manipulation, and psychotherapy … created in the 1970s when our Universities were churning out Psychology Degree graduates by the million each and every year.

    Predictive Programming is the practice of saying something is going to happen (predicting) enough times that people assume it will without question.

    In a friendly tone, you were responding to someone who in truth literally hates your guts and your very existence. He hates you, me, and all our Ethno-European brothers so much, he has even gone to the trouble of studying ‘modern’ techniques of how to condition the unwary using semi-plausible commenting. Can you not see the way in which he keeps attempting to nudge “Whites” in a certain direction? In the wrong hands, NLP is very dangerous and was used to ‘sell’ the European Union (the EUSSR) to that sub-continent’s population.

    NLP is predicated upon the belief that all behaviour has structure. Neuro-Linguistic Programming™ was specifically created in order to allow us “to do magic” by creating new ways of understanding how verbal and non-verbal communication affect the human brain. As such it presents us all (including those with malicious intent) with the opportunity to not only communicate better with others, but also learn how to gain more control over what we considered to be automatic functions of our own neurology.

    Whenever you see that silly moniker: “Jason Squeaks” … think NLP … and then observe but tune out of the message being given.

    Take care my man, and keep your eyes better peeled for those snakes in the grass!

  75. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 9, 2012 - 2:17 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:

    Abusus non tollit usum ☺

  76. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 1:59 am | Permalink

    @John hearns:

    The same happens when dealing with feminism. Just try to argue that men are victims of an unfair justice system with regards to divorce and custody.

    Great point. The very fact that Whites don’t think they can be victims means most of them have subconsciously absorbed the “White Supremacist” accusation and ideas about “White Privilege”.

    This is fruitful territory. Many Whites truly don’t get that they can be victims.

  77. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 9, 2012 - 1:48 am | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Thank you very much. From now on I shall try to use the reply function of this website-system.

  78. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 9, 2012 - 1:38 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:


    I am noticing most WN who oppose this idea, seem to have some false pride at work. It offends them to view themselves as victims.

    The same happens when dealing with feminism. Just try to argue that men are victims of an unfair justice system with regards to divorce and custody. Men are not allowed to be victims even when they really are. And it is other men, not just feminists, who are often quick to enforce this double standard.

    I think that white genocide is very real and the mantra is a very worthy effort.

  79. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 1:19 am | Permalink

    On the issue of genocide, let me say it Is simply an appropriate term or it is not, under international law. If it is, it is.

    The Legal definition is quite vague (deliberately so). But if it is true, that under prevailing international law, something that meets the definition of genocide is happening against my people, I am going to say so. And it is hard for me to believe that most of you, in your hearts, do not believe there is a coordinated attempt to destroy and wipe out all white communities everywhere on earth. I would urge you to take another look.

    I am noticing most WN who oppose this idea, seem to have some false pride at work. It offends them to view themselves as victims. All I can tell you is that our enemies have played upon this false notion of honor and pride to destroy us before.

  80. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 1:08 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    My point is that you criticized the mantra because it wouldn’t “sell” because people don’t care about the United Nations and concepts like genocide, and that is awfully rich coming from a fella that is trying to sell National Socialism.

  81. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 9, 2012 - 1:02 am | Permalink

    I think that some people are attracted to Hitler because Hitler represents power that they do not understand. Hitler is by far the most demonized person in history and on some level people are aware that there is something deep going on underneath. Something that needs to be revealed.

    Basically, people get that modern culture and it’s media is rotten to the core and certainly not to be trusted so that people are wrestling with the unavoidable question which is that if the media is rotten then could what they say is rotten be good?
    It’s like the biggest skeleton in the closet of history and it is not going away.

  82. November 9, 2012 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:You are lapsing into your old pattern whereby you exploit any possible tangent to try to drag me into a tedious argument about n-s. This is the reason why that four-letter word starting with n automatically triggers moderation, because once upon a time you made a constant pest of yourself.

    Don’t tell me that nobody is interested in that subject. You are more obsessed with it than anybody.

    It’s more interesting than the UN in any case.

  83. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 9, 2012 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    How has japan survived and kept its Identity?
    Also South Korea?
    And what about North Korea?

  84. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:40 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    As I have strained to explain, I am not embracing the public’s concept of evil. But the public does have fascination with what it considers “evil”. This is the reason kids dress up in Gothic gear. This is the reason Charles Manson has fans. And this is the reason people have an interest in Hitler and national Socialism in 99% of cases today.

  85. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 9, 2012 - 12:40 am | Permalink

    @MG135019:

    Orwellian. Level the playing field till it resembles Compton.

  86. November 9, 2012 - 12:26 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: “Evil”? Grow up.

  87. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:23 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    By the way, I am addressing the reason why the public gets a charge out of Hitler’s image by mentioning Lucifer. I am not comparing Hitler to the devil. Part of the reason why the History channel uses the image of Hitler is the same reason they do documentaries on Charles Manson and serial killers. The public loves to view what it considers evil, even though they have no intention of actually embracing it.

  88. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    @Athanasius:

    First off, yes, religion and culture are very important. A healthy society cannot survive without a healthy culture.

    And I would agree that the amount of Whiteness varies in some cases on the margins, but that yes, we have common interests.

  89. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:15 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    By the way, the point of the Mantra’s genocide point is not to appeal to the good will of non-Whites. It is to awaken Whites to the fact that what is happening to them can be properly referred to as Genocide under international law and the UN Treaty (which, remember, is a fairly loose definition).

    I do hear this from a few WN and/or pro-Whites, that we can’t ever sound like a “victim”. Well, we have to find some way to accurately express the fact that White populations worldwide are under serious attack.

    When 911 Conspiracy folks talk about an inside job, are they whining? When you get the use of the term “N*zi” banned because you find it offensive, are you whining?

    When a father screams in outrage because his daughter has been attacked, is he whining?

  90. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 9, 2012 - 12:10 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I think this is where culture and religion ARE important.

    There are many Turks who are genetically Greek or Slavic, but are culturally Turks and identify with someone else’s ancestors on the Asian steppes. We have no place for them. There really isn’t a good way to separate them from the racially semitic or truly Turkic among them, but more importantly, they IDENTIFY with the those who are solely semitic and Turkic.

    On the other hand, Spaniards have semitic blood–from the Carthaginians (their supposed mixture with Moors is overstated), likewise Sicilians. Bulgarians and Romanians have Turkic blood, as do Hungarians. BUT all those groups overwhelmingly have European (white) blood and identify with other whites.

    I can see why someone who is from Norway might not want to marry someone from Varna or Cordoba, bur we should all be working together.

  91. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 9, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    What is moralistic whining? Yes, people are fascinated by NS, like they are fascinated by images of Lucifer.

  92. November 9, 2012 - 12:06 am | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: I think people are fascinated by National-Socialism and interested in learning about it.

    Actually this is a notorious fact: it’s why Golfing for Cats has a swastika on the cover.

    You should cut the moralistic whining. It’s especially unbecoming in a man.

  93. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 8, 2012 - 11:55 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:

    “Even in that kind of culture, I don’t think White females desire Black males as much as Fender believes they do.”

    White females- and females in general- desire alpha males. The jewish media portrays blacks as alpha males and Whites as wimpy beta males, and unfortunately, a lot of Whites look at the negative images that are broadcast to them and appropriate those images for themselves. People mimic what they see regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.

  94. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott:

    Yeah, White Americans don’t take International Law or the UN seriously, they find the term ‘genocide’ too extreme, YET you think they are going to embrace National Socialism. Gee, thanks

  95. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    @HolyHoaxer:

    What I said is a Mantra point. White countries and ONLY White countries are being forced to take huge numbers of immigrants and engage in forced assimilation, until Whites are wiped out.

  96. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 8, 2012 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor: To be fair, the Amren is an otherwise fine automobile, with clear, unimpeded front, left and right visual fields, and all-round air-bags. But because of this design/manufacturing flaw in the rear-vision-mirror, threats from behind aren’t evident even to the most prudent driver.

    Why they don’t sack the engineer, put out a product recall, and re-launch the brand with the mirror thing fixed, I think has more to do with sunk costs (psychic and financial), and less to do with an absolute concern for driver-safety.

  97. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    November 8, 2012 - 11:02 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks: This sound to me like a bit of sarcastic conceited Jewry :
    An informal definition of White: If your country is being pressured to take huge numbers of third world immigrants, to the point that your native population is being pushed aside, you can be sure you are White.

    And I suppose all the natter going on between you ‘folk’ is just contrived scroll bog .

  98. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    Here is a pretty good analysis of why Romney lost: Not enough White people showed up. Apparently, less Whites voted for Romney than McCain. This is good news, in a sense.

    The Whites who didn’t turn out were “working class” Whites (I hate these terms). They were simply not excited by a rich, Northeast liberal guy who looked liked he belonged in a boardroom. They didn’t connect or trust him. While I wish he had won, going forward, these means Whites could still win if they got a good politician who connected with middle and working class Whites on a gut level.

    Which is what candidates are supposed to do. Let’s face it, McCain or Romney were both weak tea. So, if a candidate comes along who can set Whites on fire, we could still win. It will take more of a populist appeal.

    Here is the long but interesting article. The second page has the stats.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106.html

  99. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    @Richard:
    I suspect you are right but so many people seem to have strange taste today. I am no longer surprised no matter who is presented as the significant other. There is always a segment of young people who enjoy shocking others. In my day it was absurdly easy. I dare not imagine what is required today?

  100. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Jason Speaks:
    In the post election analysis the consensus seems to be that the problem is that republicans are just too white. A Jewish pundit, whose name escapes me, made great sport of the fact that Ryan looked like he might have been a Romney. Content of character no longer seems to be the measure. I hope that people begin to hear exactly what is being said.

    Hang in there, I admire your passion. If we do go down it won’t be because you didn’t do your best.

  101. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    @MiguelAngel Guerrero:
    I seem to have a gift for attracting it.

  102. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    @ariadna theokopoulos:

    An informal definition of White: If your country is being pressured to take huge numbers of third world immigrants, to the point that your native population is being pushed aside, you can be sure you are White.

    Hi and welcome. I think we all take a pretty broad definition of White, while recognizing there are variations within Whites. I would say any Caucasian. I would say, for example, many of the people in Iran would qualify as White, for example. Now, it is a different White than say, Irish, but it is White.

    The term Indo-European is not a bad way to look at who Whites are as well.

  103. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 8, 2012 - 10:30 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:

    “Only in a well fed but sterile culture which divorces sexuality from fertility.”

    Even in that kind of culture, I don’t think White females desire Black males as much as Fender believes they do.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if many White women are, on some level, naturally repelled by Blacks.

  104. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 8, 2012 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    @ariadna theokopoulos:

    Welcome

    “Who exactly are the whites? Anglo-Saxons as well as Russians and Greeks and Irish? Or only… who?”

    I’m not sure what the answer is.

    My guess is that there are probably disagreements, and different definitions of what “White” means.

  105. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 10:18 pm | Permalink

    We are about to have 20-30 million brown people legalized and that will bring in tens of millions more browns to the US. Everywhere there is pressure on White girls to date “boys of color”. Old White families are starting to pop up with a granddaughter who married a black or brown.

    So, Whites are quickly being pushed out of existence and it will happen much quicker than anything thinks. Yet, we are told we shouldn’t use the term “genocide” because it sounds too inflammatory. Why, that’s just silly ol’ hyperbole. Yet, these same voices never condemn the Tibetans for using the term genocide.

    You are facing the end of your people. Either you get that or you don’t. There is an odd lack of “getting it” among Whites, and even among many so-called “White Nationalists”. They seem to think they have many generations to deal with this problem. They don’t.

  106. Athanasius's Gravatar Athanasius
    November 8, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    @ariadna theokopoulos: be still my beating heart!

  107. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 8, 2012 - 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Cultural Insurrections has a starting price of $120 new and upwards of 70 for second-hand editions on Amazon. That’s a price-point that could crowd out most other gifts in Santa’s stocking.

  108. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @Trenchant: Trenchant, when you wrote “… Engineering the car with a blind-spot, or not correcting a flaw discovered in road-tests was always going to make for perilous driving…” you coined a beautiful and concise phrase that illustrates one of my points about “science”.

    Much of the thinking about what currently fashionable “science” is all about contains a lot of “engineered blind spots”.

    Most of my commentary above is about investigations centered on “correcting a flaw discovered in road-tests”.

    Thanks!

  109. MiguelAngel Guerrero's Gravatar MiguelAngel Guerrero
    November 8, 2012 - 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Alice,
    All thy tediousness on me, ah?

  110. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 9:00 pm | Permalink

    PS: I made it clear way up in the thread that I’m not “into” any final answers, but am all about probing the situation to tease out possibilities. Many of those possibilities exist in the thinking of some of the men I’ve alluded to. That “stuff” never manages to see the light here, or any place where the fog of “conventional science” covers up possibilities.

    Probes are about investigating new territory, not about “explaining” and nailing things down conceptually.

  111. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    @starera:

    “… since you “don’t think the “enlightenment science” based on a language biased toward the materialism of the “natural sciences” is the end of the story,” how about getting down to brass tacks and telling me what exactly is the “end of the story” without all the “doesn’t lock itself inside these kinds of boxes” business. Those vague terms simply obscure what you are trying to say. Science is specific…

    Open System Thinking doesn’t seek any “end of the story”. It’s located in the ground of process, not final “knowing”.

    When you use the word “specific” to designate what science “is” … you just created a closed system with axiomatic “specificity” as a starting point … a starting point which closes off open thinking.

    Do you really think that “philosophy” and “science” are two different “things”. Has it occurred to you that the kind of thinking embedded in “science” is contingent on selecting a PARTICULAR kind of epistemology from a whole rack full of possible theories of “truth”?

    Yet again you “beg the question” by positing an axiomatic version of “science”, and thereby remove many ways of thinking not based on axiomatic materialism from the table of possibilities.

    Thinking about how the EFFECTS of changes in mode-speed-ground of mediation AFFECT humans in different ways is VERY “scientific”, but not in the simple mode of materialist science. Yes, metaphysics has a place at the table.

  112. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    November 8, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    @Ignorent Miscegenators: Thanks IaM , for your gracious vote of approval !

  113. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 8, 2012 - 8:42 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Pierre, I will try that out.

  114. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 8, 2012 - 8:22 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Socialized health is a Ponzi scheme; the early-comers enjoying apparently the best of all worlds – good service (demand takes a while to overwhelm supply) with no direct cost to the patient. Costs get pushed down to the late-comers, who get sloppy service (demand vastly greater than supply) and the bill for the accumulated costs of previous generations (via public debt). Of course, non taxpaying immigrants hasten the system’s demise, but nothing in life, bar cheese on the mouse-trap, is free.

    Also, I wouldn’t underestimate the medical fraternity’s own part (AMA) in creating the health-care monster. The fact that the medical union’s members prefer Brionis to overalls doesn’t make them any less thuggish than the average Teamster, just slicker.

  115. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 8:07 pm | Permalink

    @starera:
    I agree with much of what you say. My belief is that our society has suffered because women have abandoned or attempted to delegate vital functions in society. It has not resulted in genuine happiness for men, women or children. Our absurd belief in progress requires us to pretend that every decision ever made was for the best and any reevaluation would be ‘turning the clock back’.

  116. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 8, 2012 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon: With absolutely no relevance to oxytocin, could you briefly explain what you mean by Benedict XVI’s Hegelian streak? I pose this question from a position of relative ignorance, though I do like his persona far more than that of his predecessor.

  117. November 8, 2012 - 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    I have never seen the role of a housewife as anything but a household manager. Those who don’t think that it isn’t work, and hard work to do it well suffer from cranio-anal inversion.

  118. November 8, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Pierre,
    I should start by saying that I have worked in and around the health care system for over 35 years. It was introduced provincially in Saskatchewan by a “socialist” Baptist minister. A Conservative (Red Tory) convened a travelling national commission to determine whether to implement it country wide.
    The Canadian system is not actually national. The Canada Health Act provides the framework: universality; publicly funded; and publicly administered. Each Province runs its own system, and funds it through taxation and federal transfers. Until the late 80s, when the KPMG roadshow on Health Care Reform showed up, after stops in the UK, Australia, New Zealand and the Phillipines, we in the opinon of a local neurosurgeon with whom I am acquainted, the best system in the world. Not perfectand some flaws, but the best.

    The system was originally set up to cover hospital admissions and MD visits. The only difference from the previous system was who paid, the Government “insurance company” or the private insurance company. There is a list of services that have a fee attached to them. The list is bargained and agreed upon by the MDs and the Government. Some services are added, some deleted. Services not listed are paid by hte user.
    In my province there is a home care component which provides post discharge nursing and support care as well as help the elderly or infirm remain in their homes until no longer feasible. Quality nursing homes are included to a certain cost. The fancier ones, are available to those who wish to pay for the extras. We also have a drug coverage plan, with a deductable. I know people who would have been bankrupted if they had to pay for drugs needed to help them through Chemotherapy. But I digress.

    What we have today is a form of US style managed care, except that the insurance company won’t stop coverage. Physicians still choose whether they accept you as a patient, and I get to choose my physician, prooviding of course he/she accepts me.
    In my view, while there have been a number of benefits in the speed of service delivery, the more the “reformed” system has become managed, the worse the care. The main reason is the ever burgeoning number of managers. It has been a growth industry. The savings in the unreformed system were in a relatively lean management structure at all levels, which provided more dollars for the care on the floor.

    The system is seen by true Canadians as being representative of their values. There were relatively few non-Europeans in most of the country. Pockets of blacks from the underground railway, and Chinese in the larger cities, much the same or Jews. The fact that we have been swamped by those from the 3rd world, who have benefitted from it causes some resentment, no doubt. The power of the little Knesset within our House of Commons has been formidable and very destructive. However, our native Indian population is by far the highest proportional users of the system. I separate the value of the system from those who have perverted the country, and by extension, the system.

    I should add that at one time, many American women living in border towns came to Canada to deliver babies. It wasn’t free, the cost was less because there was no profit for shareholders.
    I do have 2 American cousins who are physicians. One was particlarly outspoken about our system. When he came to an uncle’s funeral in 1989, the insurance companies had just started their takeover of your system (HMOs, etc), and his malpractice insurance premium was almost twice what I earned. He was less opinionated than he had been, and it gradually dwindled. About 5 years ago he acknowledged that the US system was a wreck due to the insurance companies and encouraged me to hold on to what we have. I didn’t need encouragement.

  119. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019:
    Do you always insult your way into every new group you join? How’s that working out for you? You comment was addressed to me”

    With all due respect, and you are intelligent, obviously, but you are too specific and fixate on small details that prevent you from understanding the big picture sometimes. That is my impression from several of your comments.

    As my comment are all there please provide the one in which I was lying.

  120. Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
    November 8, 2012 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    @Luke: Does this dossier include comments that don’t make it through Amren’s moderation, on account of “anti-Semitic” content? Engineering the car with a blind-spot, or not correcting a flaw discovered in road-tests was always going to make for perilous driving.

    Thanks for the tip.

  121. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 8, 2012 - 7:02 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    Hi Luke

    Just to play “devil’s advocate”, I want to point out that it’s possible that AmRen’s reason for switching to the Disqus comment system might be relatively benign or something other than what you seem to be suggesting.

    Maybe it’s more convenient than whatever they had in place, or cheaper or something like that.

    Maybe not. I don’t know.

  122. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman:
    I don’t have a chemistry background either. Simply a good teacher whose demonstrated a titration point was rather dramatic. I do not recall the chemicals used, but it was a clear liquid into which she added drop after drop of another clear liquid. Dramatically, on the thirty fourth drop the entire liquid turned bright blue. It stuck with me and gives me hope when nothing seems to make a difference.

  123. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 6:28 pm | Permalink

    @ariadna theokopoulos:
    Welcome! The most commonly agreed on definition of white is those who are descended from Europeans. For me, that includes both Greeks and most Russians but excludes Turks and Arabs no matter how light their skin. Sadly, there are some here who will argue that only Anglo-Saxons are white. Please ignore them.

  124. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    @starera:
    @Karlfried:
    @Sandman:
    @MG135019:

    You seem not to be aware that this website automatically supplies virtually every comment with a Reply button. Allow me to bring it to your attention. The Reply button is invisible until you allow your mouse cursor to hover over the lower right-hand corner of the comment box. Then it appears, awaiting your pleasure—and what is more to the point, your use.

    When that button is clicked to initiate a reply, the new comment begins by default with a hyperlink, consisting of the “at” symbol (@) and the screen name of the commenter, to the comment that is being replied to. As I say, please be kind enough to avail yourself of this provision. Unless you do, other commenters have no way of knowing to which comment you are replying or what the content of that comment is. When there is a considerable amount of back and forth, failure to use the Reply option makes the dialogue/conversation almost impossible for observers to follow without a wasteful expenditure of their precious time. The consequence: a rapid and notable falloff of interest on everyone else’s part. Commenters on this and other sites come in many forms and with many ideas and attitudes, but I have not yet encountered any who combine the desire to post comments with the desire to see them ignored!

  125. Ignorent Miscegenators's Gravatar Ignorent Miscegenators
    November 8, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @HolyHoaxer: HolyHoaxer sage observation . Yes the Universities are the one of the main grounds in the West where miscegenation is promoted as enlightened thinking . And unfortunately those brainwashed socialized minds then go into gov’s and corporations where they continue promoting this division buy miscegenation which will inevitably lead to a totalitarian state due racial divisions and competition . Humans aren’t quite as cooperative as a theory in a book .
    As you rightly saw , Cloistered Universities have been turned into ZioMasionic brainwashing centers for socializing Leftist Nonsense .
    Our historical enemies rightly defend these bastions of ignorance buy bedding down historical lies that ‘educated people’ can defend . No person is quite as aggressively righteous as the proud man defending his untruth . And they gave him a meddle for learning that nonsense.

  126. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 6:06 pm | Permalink

    And you’d better EXPECT a fight from me if you in any way defend “White” groupies who vote for that abomination in the Whitehouse.

  127. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    P.S. I was very specific about who I was blaming. You are just mad that I pointed out that Christian passivity is harming our cause. Just quit lying about it! If you are going to call me to task for something it will be something that I really said, not a strawman lie. I know that you have said that you are a traditional woman, I have seen your “contributions” for months at the very least.

  128. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 6:01 pm | Permalink

    P.S. I don’t think that I know you. I used to know a couple of Alices but they were both much more intelligent than you are and at least one of them wouldn’t post here.

  129. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    I take back my previous compliment to you. You are not at all intelligent. Your cluelessness shines through on all of your posts.

  130. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    Well said. I am outraged by the extent to which innocent young girls are targeted and exploited by the media. It is heartbreaking for me to hear a young woman confess with shame and confusion that her highest priority is marriage and a family. These poor girls have been lead to believe that only a parasite would have such a goal. After all, Anne Romney with her five children ‘never worked a day in her life’. It is a great evil.

  131. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    @Alice
    You are very dishonest. Who do you think you are fooling? The posts are all there to be seen. At your strawman arguments again I see. The posts that I made that put you on the attack did not address you at all unless you voted for Obama. Maybe you did then. Your words are not important so I will not address them. In short, you are a liar and a poor excuse for a Christian, too, since you are such a liar! What a hypocite! You are not worth fighting for and you are worthless as an ally!

  132. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    As I have previously stated on many occaisions, I do not adhere to the false dichotomy. I probably understand it better than you do, having studied it at length for so many years. But if you think that that negro is less of a threat to humans than Romney is, you are really insane or stupid!

  133. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 5:50 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019:
    Ahhh so you acknowledge that we do not know each other? Perhaps you should refrain from making blanket statements about my “problem” which just happens to echo a standard slur of women? I am a very traditional wife and mother. I blame feminism for much of what plagues us. I find sarcasm to be an entirely appropriate response to condescending comments. If you disagree with a point I made, make you argument about the point, not my propensities. You have not yet done so. Obviously, I made my point because I thought it had some bearing on the discussion. I tend to distrust big ideas because they have led us into so much foolishness.

    It seems to me that we would all be better off assuming that other commenters are here in good faith until they offer proof to the contrary. If you care to begin again with a little more courtesy I will be glad to do so.

  134. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    You remind me of that character in the movie Diehard. He did everything that he could to keep the hero in line, that is, submissive to the criminals!

  135. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:45 pm | Permalink

    You work for the enemy!

  136. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    maybe you are a mossad member.

  137. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    correction: to the sheep, cabra, cabron or whatever the case may be.

  138. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

    That comment was addressed by the sheep claiming to be a curmudgeon. Curmudgeons don’t love excessive rules and regulations and attack those who challenge corrupt power.

  139. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

    The Jews and all of the other collectivist totalitarians control you with excessive rules that reduce your family to poverty and slave status, or certainly will. The non-Jewish, completely white, mostly Scottish or English founding fathers knew that the fewer rules, the better. Only the bare necessities of rules. Your talking points do not sound like those of an American. I am an American from a very long lineage of Americans and frontiersmen. You are talking to the wrong guy about rules. Rules are used excessively by totalitarian collectivists to maintain their corrupt practices. Do not preach to me about rules! If one of us is advocating the Jewish party line it is you! I am not a European Newcomer to North American and I am from a frontier pioneer family. We know what it is to be an American and how to do it. We’ve been here since 1630. We often had to function and defend ourselves against non-Whites without a government! I do not favor the city-slicker new immigrant philosophy! When the rules protect aggressors who commit aggression against you they are anti-family! You have already surrendered and are demanding my surrender and I do not appreciate it! I honestly wonder who’s side you are on! I have never said that to anyone here or on any other comments section before!

    Don’t baa baa baa at me!

  140. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    I wish I could claim to understand German philosophers well enough to disagree with them. I have always wondered if German speakers found them less impenetrable. How nice to know that I didn’t miss that much. Thanks.

  141. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

    @Mary Thomas:
    Mary, I can only assume that it will continue until we become obsessive about calling people on this nonsense. In my youth there was a campaign to induce rudeness into every social situation by demanding that everyone attack anyone who dared to say anything which could be construed as racist. We have a natural inclination to behave as civil human beings – but we seem to be alone in this. It may be time to turn the tables. Good catch! we must all become more sensitive to public lies.

  142. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

    @ariadna theokopoulos:

    Dear Ms. Theokopoulos,

    Welcome to The Occidental Observer and its squeaks, squawks, and squabbles. I don’t think you will have to wait long to receive perhaps as many as fifty distinctly different answers to your very reasonable question. Permit me to suggest that, before you read those answers, you spend two or three hours looking through the roughly five years’ worth of archives that Professor MacDonald is kind enough to maintain. You will get a most interesting, if not always entirely edifying, portrait of what writers and commenters, past and present, think about your question and several other rather big ones.

    The ratio of gold to base metal in the archives is largely what one would expect (that is, heavily weighted toward the latter), but be assured that there is indeed gold to be found.

    Happy reading and, again, welcome aboard!

  143. November 8, 2012 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019:
    No matter which one was elected, he would have been ineligible.
    The struggle, as I see it, is that the notion of individual liberty has been warped. Societies, including families, cannot be functioal without rules. Individual liberty has to be within the rules, otherwise you have mayhem. Societies, since pre-historic times, have banished or outlawed those who will not play within the rules. The current American “right” notion that everything has to be reduced to an economic denominator is proof of the perversion, and takeover by Jews. Jews have always seen things from the perspective of taking advantage of the goy, which inevitably ends in economic terms. The White useful idiots are trying to play a 2500 year old game invented by Jews, for Jews, with different rules for Jews. It’s like going to a casino and believing that the 90% payout ratio of the slot machines you are playing is going to make you a millionaire.

    Elections in “Western style democracies” are pure theatre produced by Jews. The illusion of the difference in having one candidate win over another is the addictive substance that keeps us coming back.

  144. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 8, 2012 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns, re your “women need to undermine mens masculinity and to break up any kind of macho solidarity ( super masculine society) where men could very easily subjugate women,”

    that is not quite correct sociobiologically but I appreciate your interest. Human females have different evolutionary survival strategies than men and this results in different behavior. One of those differences is indeed behavior designed to limit male aggression against them, that is adaptive behavior, and women have evolved effective strategies to manipulate male behavior towards them.

    However there is no innate female antagonism towards masculinity, that would be maladaptive behavior because females need aggressive males to defend them and to secure resources for them.
    To the extent that such behavior currently exists is almost exclusively the product of culture and you will not see it in male-dominated cultures such as the Muslim culture but only in the jew-propagandized and feminized Western culture.
    —————————————–
    @Anglo Saxon, re your “One fine day, I shall be able to open a discussion page visited by brainwashed Amerikans without having to read someone making yet another idiotic reference to “the evil Nazis”.”

    So true, the suckers just buy the jew propaganda about Nazis without question.

    Re your, “While the chemical poisoning of our water and food supplies have surely amplified the feminizing process, I do believe it has also been brought about by through cultural conduits.”

    In my view any chemical poisoning is a distant second as a cause, although some feminizing chemicals have indeed been introduced into the environment. Look at the history of the West and you will see that the decline followed closely universal suffrage democracy. For example, the European empires had essentially all collapsed by 1970, before most of these chemicals were introduced into widespread use.
    ———————————————
    @Alice Teller, re your “Well, I am only a lowly woman and I cannot aspire to the lofty status of polymath you present.”

    Please remember that male-female differences in brain structure evolved for a reason, to advance the survival of our species. The substantial difference in abstract reasoning ability does not imply inferiority but is merely a reflection of the evolution of sex-specific roles in humans. Try to not be annoyed with the conversation. Our problems do in general result from giving too much political power to women but I suspect that you will agree that female voting has not worked out too well, you are likely an exception to that rule.
    ——————————————–
    @Luke, re your “If you see ‘Disqus’ or any other of these social networking mechanisms being used, go elsewhere.”

    Exactly right.
    —————————————–

    @Gregor, re your “So, contrary to your last sentence above, I’m VERY INTERESTED IN SCIENCE. But I don’t think the “enlightenment science” based on a language biased toward the materialism of the “natural sciences” is the end of the story.”

    It’s good to hear that you are interested in science, and since you “don’t think the “enlightenment science” based on a language biased toward the materialism of the “natural sciences” is the end of the story,” how about getting down to brass tacks and telling me what exactly is the “end of the story” without all the “doesn’t lock itself inside these kinds of boxes” business. Those vague terms simply obscure what you are trying to say. Science is specific.

  145. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    If I had my way that would be remedied!

  146. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: Even now—as Canada, too, verges on national dissolution thanks to Jewish-dictated replacement-level immigration rates—do you still believe that a national health-care system benefits true Canadians?

    I do not put this to you as a leading question, Curmudgeon. It’s a matter we disagree on, I know, but it’s clear that an NHS was an option pursued in, for example, the Scandinavian countries with at least an arguable degree of success. Yet there, too, with the recent waves of enemy immigration, the system is being notoriously gamed by the “new” Scandinavians. Isn’t that happening in Canada? It certainly is in the UK.

    Here in New York, where being nonwhite has effectively meant free access to medical care since the eighties, the overuse/exploitation of the system by our hostile and layabout minorities has been so obvious that even the New York Times has written about it (sugarcoating the pill, of course). Twenty years ago, I had to avail myself of the services of a very upmarket surgeon (my private health insurance covered it, thank God), and his office waiting room was invariably full of black and Hispanic men and women suffering primarily from gross overweight. One day while I was waiting my turn, a white-looking man came in and was seen after about ten minutes or so. One of the black cows started loudly complaining that no one who done come in after her had no damn right to be done seen befo’ she was. Not merely was her behavior tolerated, but the surgeon himself came down fifteen minutes or so after she began making the scene. He politely explained to her that the man was an emergency referral from a colleague who believed the man might be in imminent danger of death. Of course, in a rightly ordered society, the woman would have been forcibly ejected from the office and warned off with threats of broken limbs should she ever darken the surgeon’s door again. Instead, she was coddled.

    This kind of behavior, I have been reliably informed, is more the norm than the exception nowadays here in New York (I can’t speak for anywhere else here in the States). The one doctor I see on a semiregular basis takes nothing but private patients (eschewing all government payouts in the process) because, as he said to me once, he’d have nothing but welfare patients within six months of accepting the first. Obama intends to see that my doctor is no longer permitted to make this choice.

    Can this sort of NHS be a good thing? Don’t you think that any such system will only work (if it works at all) in a nondiverse society—as Canada’s was forty years ago and the USA’s was a hundred?

  147. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 4:21 pm | Permalink

    P.S. It is not an accident that we have no “viable” candidates who represent our best interests.

  148. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Correction: It will generally NOT be preferable…
    And: I do, however RECOGNIZE

  149. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon
    In most ways you are preaching to the choir in addressing that to me. I do not adhere to the left right paradigm at all. I do however, recognized that the evil of Obama is worse than the evil of Romney, especially for whites. We need to get that Holder out of the “Justice” Department, too! It will generally be preferable to not have a White-hater radical communist of a negro who is a George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski (I sure hate post 1880 immigration!) puppet, who is a corrupt Chicago political operative from a long-corrupted Chicago political machine, who has strong organized crime connections, and who is completely ineligible to even hold the office in the Whitehouse!

    Also, I am against the Democrats 100% and to the death just on the racial issues alone and on their name calling and use of strawmen when they are on the wrong side of the argument and are losing. No descent candidate is ever going to be on the ticket but that abhoration, that atrocity is ineligible to be in the Whitehouse and has to go. I don’t give a darn what the reasoning is, there is no excuse for voting for that ineligible non American thing that is illegally occupying the Whitehouse!

  150. November 8, 2012 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    Personally, I have never liked Cadillac’s. An early 60s Chrysler Imperial or the Lincoln Continental 4 door convertible were my ideal of a “big car”.

  151. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Cultural marxists harp against Jim Crow but they imposed it on our soldiers using vote fraud to get the illegal usurper in office:
    http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/11/military-absentee-ballots-delivered-one-day-late-would-have-swung-election-for-romney/

  152. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    The cultural marxists speak endlessly of Jim Crow. Well, here’s Jim Crow for the American Soldier and it is vote fraud to boot:
    http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/11/military-absentee-ballots-delivered-one-day-late-would-have-swung-election-for-romney/

  153. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 8, 2012 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Thanks for giving me a new word; I don’t have a chemistry background, lol. If by titration point you mean that the “taboo abiding man” you spoke of was forced to accept an overwhelming volume of facts about non-Whites equivilent to a piano dropped on his head, then I agree it’s a dramatic moment for him. Especially after living a life as a multiculturalist. BANG!, POW!, ZAPP!…..Hope it doesn’t take everyone that long.

  154. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 3:43 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon: I always liked that joke. The version I first heard substituted strawberries and cream for the Cadillac. Perhaps it had something to do with my father always having driven Ford rather than GM cars!

  155. ariadna theokopoulos's Gravatar ariadna theokopoulos
    November 8, 2012 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I have discovered this site recently after I had read some of McDonald’s work and find it very informative and interesting. One term stumps me though: “whites.” Who exactly are the whites? Anglo-Saxons as well as Russians and Greeks and Irish? Or only… who?

  156. November 8, 2012 - 3:25 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019:
    Here is the problem with the Republicans:
    Virtually every developed country in the world has some sort of national health plan. Women worry about their health and the health of their children more than men do. As long as your “right” continues to cater to the Jewish controlled insurance industry and demand “freedom of choice” when it comes to health care, women of all races will vote for something that is imperfect over nothing.

    Lee Iaccocca said more than 20 years ago that American industry was disadvantaged because of a lack of a national health care system. The idiots in the Republican Party ignored him.

    I’ve got news for you: in the big scheme of things, the Democrats are not “left”. They are only “left’ in the American context. My idiot Bush-lite Prime Minister Harper is “left” of Obama. A millionaire conservative Prime Minister in the 1930s recognized the need for the government to intervene on behalf of the common folk against large corporations. There is no left/right paradigm. It is an issues paradigm, but the Republicans continue to frame the issues in an incoherent manner.

    Immigration? How do you solve unemployment by allowing immigration of any kind? If it continues, the children of immigrants will be hurt as well. Do you need Somalis and Ethiopians to drive taxis?
    Economy? How do improve the economy when the unemployed have no money to spend?
    How do people become employed when the jobs are shipped out to low wage countries through “free” trade agreements?
    Abortion? Remove economic reasons for women seeking abortion by providing a health system. Obamacare is a sellout to Wall Street. No wonder their money flowed to him.

    The Republicans wear their “wholly owned subsiduary of the Jews” label in plain sight. The Democrats keep it covered.

    The Dems may be “Marxist” to you, but they are the “marxist” wing of the Jews. The Republicans have beenthe Wall Street wing. No matter how you cut it, they are both wrong and toxic to your country.

  157. November 8, 2012 - 2:55 pm | Permalink

    For most people the word “genocide” means active killing, so to accuse anyone of perpetrating genocide against whites simply sounds bizarre to them.

    Taylor is right about that, so far as the United States are concerned. Trying to invoke the moral authority of the UN (by invoking the UN’s ultra-broad definition of genocide) also looks really desperate. White Americans in general do not in principle care about the UN or what it says.

  158. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Ironically, the conflicts here are mostly between those who want a 19th C. philosophy and culture and those who want a 13th C. philosophy and culture:)

  159. November 8, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    “had what I call, a glow about them – almost a look of peace and achievement.”

    Should have been “had what I call, a glow about them – almost a look of peace and achievement- when pregnant.”

  160. Mickey Meadows's Gravatar Mickey Meadows
    November 8, 2012 - 2:50 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    A variation on that joke was
    Two communists in a bar:
    “come the revolution any man with two mansions will share one with the masses”
    “Yes Jolly good! I’d love to be in a big house”
    “Come the revolution any man with two cars will share one car with those who have none”
    “Oh yes! I’d love to get a share of a car”
    “Come the revolution any man with two bicycles will share one bicycle with those who have none”
    “Oh”
    “What do you mean oh?”
    “Well…I do have two bikes”

  161. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    @snapperhead soup
    To put it in a nutshell, one is behaving in a a way that is irrational and that will result in extinction and others will be more fit if one chooses not to observe the Darwinian laws that are programmed into the DNA because in the past we were not so stupid as to not favor the reproduction of our own dna. Those who do not observe this law are unfit. If you think that this is irreligious, consider this: The Creator created the world this way. If you think that it should be different, you will have to wait until you go to Heaven.

  162. November 8, 2012 - 2:48 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller:
    For many decades, I have been astonished that women have become so disconnected with being a women, that they have to attend pre-natal classes and rely on public health nurses to assist them in breast feeding properly.
    I could also say that, while growing up, there are many things that were expected of me as a male that have been packaged as unisex in the past 20+ years.
    I have noted that most women, my wife included, had what I call, a glow about them – almost a look of peace and achievement. This seems to be so with women of all races. Unscientifically, I have do not recall seeing that same look on white women bearing the child of another race.

    I believe it was James Watson, when commenting on the Human Genome Project, that stated there is much more to DNA than we know or understand, and that it wasn’t just a question of having identified them. The context was the relatinely small number of genes in all living organisms, but the millions of combinations that could be made from them.

    I believe that whites and white females in particular have been subject to an enormous Pavlovian experiment for the last century.

  163. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

    PPS I guess that what I really WISH that I had said to begin with is that Christians are interpreting their faith too much in favor of passivity. I stand by the veracity of all of my other claims, however, but I admit that I should have been more diplomatic about it.

  164. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 2:40 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Instead of reacting with sarcasm, you might consider whether the passivity that I criticized is warranted or is part of the problem.

  165. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 8, 2012 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller
    Alice, I believe that you have misinterpreted everything that I have said. Do not put words in my mouth. If you want to argue with me, do not create straw-man arguments for me. I have never claimed anything about Christianity as the source of all evil in the world. I also have never spoken of “lowly women” nor have I derogated women in general. I do believe that traditional roles, and in my family women were fully equal, frontier women were highly respected, were based on an efficient and effective system for raising strong families and training and teaching children. The woman’s traditional role was of extreme importance and deserved as much respect as anyone else’s role. I believe that we are biologically programmed for our roles. Sixties radical changes in our society were all for the worse. It is amazing how supposed conservatives completely embrace their favorite aspects of the sixties radical agenda like militant feminism. I am not sure if you really fit that characterization but your sarcasm makes me wonder.

    My statements about Christianity were meant to imply that CURRENTLY too many American Christians generally seem to have interpreted their faith to require absolute pacifism on a personal level and will not stand up for themselves or our people. In addition, you cannot argue that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion and did not originate with European people (we can agree to disagree or we can continually fight about it if that is what you choose to do). Obviously, in other ways many are militant, but in a different way. Many are War Mongering Evangelicals, of course, and are very happy to send American soldiers to the ends of the Earth to fight proxy wars for Israel and other interests that are completely at odds with those of American citizens and the Historic American People and are destroying our country. In fact, huge numbers of our soldiers are conveniently overseas while we face severe threats at home.

    It is widely noted by writers that Obama won with the vote of Browns, Blacks, and women (including huge numbers of White women, which peeves me). They don’t mention the vote fraud of course, we all need to get along, that is the prime directive nowadays, after all. I also do not respect the groupie mentality that I have seen on a personal basis and thus know to exist among many White women who support the ineligible usurper communist.

    Insofar as I have made any comments about women, I meant to communicate that I am disgusted and disappointed and indeed angry with the White women who vote for Obama in the face of the hostility and aggression that he and minority groups now pose to Whites, especially White Men, the White sons, husbands, and brothers of the very women who are voting for Obama. They have also empowered Holder’s open favoritism and selective enforcement in the use of illegal, unconstitutional communist thought crimes laws against Whites. Did you vote for Obama? If not, I did not insult you. If so, you deserve it. You have a right to vote for whomsoever you wish, I have a right to express contempt at those who empowered a communist who is dedicated to the destruction of America and the Historic American Nation.

    Another reason that I am disappointed in some American women, many American women, is that so many are demanding, and assume that the issue should not even be discussed, that everyone must refrain from all political conflict, one is not even allowed to have a spirited political debate. We are all supposed to just get along all of the time. I would want my representatives in Congress, if I really had one, to fight tooth and nail for my best interests. That really sums up my answer to both of the problems that we are discussing here. I reject the notion that we should be passive!

    Now to reiterate, White women have the right to vote how they wish. I have the right to be peeved about it, especially about the attack that that is on White men. I believe that men and women are different but equal. That means that I will criticize women just as I would criticize men. In this case I am criticizing women who voted for Obama and women who demand that we be “civil” when we should be fighting tooth and nail for our rights and position. If I offended any sixties flower children, hippies, or feminists, too bad!

    If you still disagree with my position now that I have clarified it, too bad, you are part of the problem if that is your position.

  166. November 8, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:
    Clearly, you have not read my other postings.
    Long ago, I identified the term “Nazi” as being a perjorative term created by the Jews to demonize all Germans, and to intimidate people who do not buy their pre-packaged manure, whether dealing with the NSDAP or any other disinformation campaign they are running.

    If you are going to quote me, please have the courtesy of replying to the quote. I did not say “pioneered”, I said “promoted”.

    One of the stories is/was that the NDSAP undertook water flouridation as a means of controlling the German population. True or not, the fact that they promoted healthier lifestyles, including anti-smoking campaigns and work/life balance would run against that proposition.

    While Germans are certainly an important segment, they are not the only ones. The Scandinavians, Irish, Welsh, and Scots while less numerous are no less important. Surprisingly, until recently, Italians – as mongrelized as they had become over millenia – were adamently opposed to non-Europeans (and others, such as Albanians) in their midst. Unfortunately for all of us, the Morgenthau Plan has been in full force since the end of WWII, not just for Germany but all of Europe.

  167. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 8, 2012 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Gregor,
    thank you for the friendly words about my language.
    Now to the main point, languages as such. The language gives us the possibility to think and to invent. At the same time it gives limits to us. The words must be spoken word-by-word, written, heard and read, all in the same manner, word-by-word. This in-line-sequence leads to a very low transmitting velocitiy and to a very high time-need for word transport from book to mind or from mouth to mind.
    The words must have a content and this content must be known. That prerequiste makes it difficult to think about things that we do not know and for which we do not have words. We are so used to words that it is difficult to think without words.

    These properties of “language as such” are used against us, against the white race, by trying to taboo-ize (or to make sound bad) the very important words “racist” and “supremacist”, which in fact we are and also must be in order to survive as a group. As a White of cause I like my race, so I am a racist, and of course I think that the White Culture is the best, so I am a Supremacist. We cannot give away any words that we need for our own enduring existence into the will of others who want to destroy us. At the contrary, we should use these words as normal words, because they tell the truth. I am happy with my race and I am proud of our German/white culture and I don´t care if any non-white groups have another opinion about this. It is their right to have their opinion and it is my right to have my opinion.

  168. November 8, 2012 - 1:51 pm | Permalink

    @Pierre de Craon:
    “Reality, you will obey my orders.”
    Pierre, this reminds me of an old joke. I will shorten it.
    A Communist seekiing election was addressing a crowd.
    “Come the revolution, there will be no unemployment” (loud cheers)…. “Come the revolution, all will have enough to eat” (loud cheers)….”Come the revolution, there will be a Cadillac in every driveway”. After the cheering died down, a single vioce was heard: “But, I don’t like Cadillacs”. The politician replied: “Come the revolution, you will do as you are told.”

  169. November 8, 2012 - 1:41 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns: While not exclusive to whites, whites tend to spend more on edibles wrapped in plastic. Poor people eat less protein, as in meat.

  170. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: My closest friend, who has a Ph.D. in philosophy and a J.D. (it is from the latter, of course, that he makes his living), years ago summarized 18th- and 19th-century German philosophy as follows: Reality, you will obey my orders.

    In the course of a recent phone chat about Benedict XVI, as Hegelian a pope as ever was, I reminded him of his old wisecrack. His response was, “Forget about it; I was dead wrong.” I said, “How so?” He said, “I should have included the twentieth century, too.”

  171. November 8, 2012 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

    @Luke:

    We can’t get Jared Taylor of Amren to say “White GeNOcide,” or “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

    For anyone interested in Jared Taylor’s views on white genocide:
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/too-hard-to-awaken-whites-to-white-genocide-an-exchange-with-jared-taylor/
    And here (enjoy the picture of “Jared Taylor” meditating!)
    http://whitegenocideproject.com/a-meditation-on-white-genocide-for-mr-jared-taylor-of-american-renaissance-and-for-all-whites/

    If not for oxytocin, I would likely feel peeved at Mr. Taylor.

    Luke, I hope you won’t feel you need to stop commenting at Amren because of the Disqus, since I’ve enjoyed your posts there for years. I know it doesn’t change what you’re saying, but I imagine Disqus is being used at Amren just to reduce the manpower needed to moderate comments.

  172. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 12:12 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:

    ” … European-Americans have to stop being inquisitive about things that they should know by now …”

    Bobby …

    If European-Americans stopped being inquisitive, they would no longer be European-Americans.

    If “things they should know by now” were a stopping point along the way, that might not be a problem. But if “things they should know by now” is the end of the road … those who claim to “know it” have ceased being European-Americans.

  173. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:10 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Thanks for the kind words, but you might be amazed at how dense I can be at times. Unlike you, I am horrified by German philosophers and their endless invention of meaningless (at least to me) new words. Although I love philosophy, I seek clarification not obscuration.

  174. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    @Achaean:
    Great point, we cannot focus enough on the corruption of those who pretend to be disinterested scholars. Thanks.

  175. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Thanks Bobby – sort of like a open mind as a trash receptacle?

  176. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 11:31 am | Permalink

    @Achaean:

    Thank you for your comment. Very interesting and very true. Also, as it happens, very coincidental, the coincidence in question being the abstract from another moderately interesting social psychology study reported on by Steve Sailer. The study, which confirms what everyone over the age of 12 has experienced at first hand—that blacks as a rule are exceptionally narcissistic and have more self-esteem than any other discernible group, no matter how unfounded their self-esteem may be—prefaces the evidence with an enormous mound of pious drivel that is summarizable as “it’s the white man’s fault.”

  177. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 11:24 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Alice, I will NOT “forgive you for seeming ‘dense’”, because what you are asking has nothing to do with “dense”! You are not at all “dense”, but you ARE operating inside of the thing I’m trying to probe, the “thing” that’s described in the very clip you are asking about! OK, here are a few hints, but they are NOT “explanations”. Explanation is for books, Exploration is for essays, and what we’re doing here.

    1. When you seek to “follow” what I’m saying, you are inside linear, sight-based mind. The very act of attempting to “follow” occurs in a line, and creates a focus, a focus which side-lines all the other stuff outside of that focus.

    2. White Mind, which is obvious in your way of writing-thinking, focuses on the “figure”, and tends to background the “ground” into non-relevance. Yet the “ground” is not only present at all times, it has a huge EFFECT on how the “figure” appears.

    3. The “figure” in this case is the conceptualizations formed in English Language. The “ground” is the formal structure of English Language within and on the “field” of which those concepts are “situated”.

    4. White Mind is focused on “figure”, and doesn’t seem to be able to take “ground” into account for all the influences it has. That’s why “science” is obsessed with the “thing”, and loses focus on the fact that there is no such thing as a free-floating “thing” outside of the ground. Alice doesn’t “exist” except on a “ground” of everything-else-but-Alice. If Alice THINKS she exists in a “groundless” manner, Alice is talking about a CONCEPT of Alice, and not looking straight in the eye of Alice.

    Alice, the last phrases of what you inquire about come straight out of Martin Heidegger. It’s taken me years to “see” what’s inside of them. I’m at a loss for any words that take the shape of a linear “explanation”. This stuff cannot be accessed that way, which is also the habitual “way” of White Mind.

    So how can it be “access” or attended to? McLuhan had to create a new kind of prose structure, called the “mosaic” style in order to access it. It was non-linear, and consisted of “constellations” or “mosaics” of verbal things. The “truth” wasn’t a conclusion arrived at in a linear, logical manner; but was a “picture” which emerged from putting all these bits into a certain manner.

    “Our” “truths” are the result of seeing a certain way, and our language enforces a kind of grid-structure over our seeing to “create truth” in a certain way. Once we see this, we are then FREE to look outside this imposed structure, and begin to actually access PERCEPTS in the world, rather than just match up what we see with pre-existing CONCEPTS embedded in our language.

    Alice, you are not “dense”, but you are like a butterfly struggling to get out of that pupae-case and FLY. I, for one, can’t wait to see what that will look like, when you shuck off the concepts that create Closed System Thinking, and take to wing in the Open.

  178. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon: At the risk of stirring up the embers of an etymology war (as if we need another one), I’ve always thought your version makes more sense. I also think you’re right not to make a big deal of it.

    It may sometimes be just as well to stick with the familiarly illogical, precisely because it’s familiar. When I was in US Army basic training a million years ago, the drill sergeants had a mantra of their own apropos bayonet training: “Do not sacrifice speed for accuracy!” They meant just the reverse, of course. A guy I got to know well because he was next after me alphabetically (we were side by side everywhere for eight weeks) was a very bright white southerner. He and I often joked about the bayonet mantra. One of the younger sergeants, another white guy as it happened, was rather less stupid than the black norm. My alphabetical pal decided to raise the mantra incongruity with him. Here’s how the conversation went:

    Alpha buddy: Why are we constantly told “Do not sacrifice speed for accuracy!” when the point is not to sacrifice accuracy for speed?
    Young white sergeant: Do you understand what the point is?
    AB: Yes, of course I do.
    Then why don’t you just shut the *%$* up and forget about it?
    AB: OK.

    For decades I thought the YWS was just another go-along-to-get-along jerk. I’m no longer so sure that he wasn’t right to argue, in essence, that we shouldn’t sweat the small stuff.

  179. Achaean's Gravatar Achaean
    November 8, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    This article’s observation that the authors of the article, “Oxytocin promotes human ethnocentrism” tend to view oxytocin in negative terms, or terms in which in-group bias is seen negatively, and thus possibly in need of some medical intervention, is actually quite evident in the very first sentence of the Abstract, which reads:

    “Human ethnocentrism—the tendency to view one’s group as centrally important and superior to other groups—creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and inter-group violence. group members.”

    Interesting how science has been affected by liberal intentions; this first sentence could have been worded as follows: “…creates inter-group attachments that fuels loyalty, willingness to sacrifice one’s personal interest for the group, inter-group tensions, particularly if a group is threatened by out-groups”.

    It could also have stated, “it does not promote love for an abstract humanity, and xenophilia for outside groups.”

    The minds of these liberal scientists are tied around a contradiction; they are supposed to view everything objectively without prejudices but have discovered that humans have in-built prejudices for their group; but they are supposed to think in liberal terms, so they word their findings in a non-objective way in order that they may soften the objectively grounded favoritism/bias of groups.

  180. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 10:46 am | Permalink

    @Gregor:
    Forgive me for seeming dense, but I am not quite following you. Would you please explain a little more what you mean by this statement?

    I do think that understanding how Media, in the sense of the media of language (not “the media”) is not just something we use, but something that we are used BY; that language is not merely something we speak, but that SPEAKS US; will be the path that leads us in the right direction.

  181. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    @Karlfried: Karlfried, when you said …

    ” … The structure of the language as well as the contents of the words both have influence on the way of thinking….”

    ,

    you revealed that you “see” this dimension my wordy posts are trying to prod out into the open.

    I had only one year of German language in college, but one thing which really stood out was structure of German words, and how easy it was to create new words by lining up “conceptual morphemes”, or “bits of meaning” … and CREATE NEW STUFF inside the language.

    In this structure lies much of the genius and creativity of the German Peoples!

    Keep following this “path” into how media “creates” us. It’s pregnant with possibility for finding a “solution”. But didn’t Heidegger already tell us this?

  182. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 8, 2012 - 10:39 am | Permalink

    @Gregor:


    Winning” isn’t about pieces capturing and checkmating other pieces at all: it’s about creating networks of patterns made of pieces that form “walls” and contain territory. You “win” by creating territories, even dis-contiguous, which hold more “power-space” than your opponent.

    That is a little wonder since there are bazillions of them mostly crowded into shanties.

  183. Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
    November 8, 2012 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: No offense meant, but I think you may simply not have noticed this situation earlier. Here’s an example. As you know the NYPD is as heavily into self-aggrandizement and self-glorification as the LAPD. Yet in the early seventies, one evening, whilst gainfully occupied doing a pub crawl with a school chum of mine, we happened to bump into a guy from the neighborhood where my chum grew up in.

    To get to the point, the guy wanted to be a cop, but his application for the force was pending because of his long juvenile arrest record! He told us he’d have to wait another eighteen months or so before his rap sheet ceased to be a bar to his employment.

    When the soon-to-be First Responder Hero moved on, I looked at my more worldly wise chum in amazement. He said, “You didn’t think cops were recruited from among seminary dropouts and former altar boys, did you? Most of the guys I grew up with have juvie records. Half of them are in the slammer or on the lam; the other half are cops.”

  184. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    Gregor, it might help me to understand what you’re getting at if you ventured further into your thoughts about the differences between Chinese and Europeans and the reasons for those differences! I’m very interested in that.

    That would require even more long winded posts, and I think I’ve already filled my quota on this thread. :)

    Kidding aside (who’s kidding!), it’s a fascinating topic. In fact, my life experience of having one leg in my “natural” mind of the West, and another leg in the “natural” mind of China, was what led me to look into this topic of how “White Mind” is constructed.

    I ended up having a feeling that the difference between these two kinds of Mind lay in the difference between the nature of media in play. McLuhan has confirmed that, for the time being.

    Another way of “entering into” that difference is to compare two games: Western Chess and Chinese Weiqi. They each work around a very different way of seeing the world, and the nature of what “winning” means. I see direct parallels to each peoples’ “mind” embedded in these games.

    Chess is about “things” (pieces) with “powers” (movement) which “do things” (capture) the enemy forces.

    Weiqi, which means “Surround Chess” in Chinese is quite different. “Winning” isn’t about pieces capturing and checkmating other pieces at all: it’s about creating networks of patterns made of pieces that form “walls” and contain territory. You “win” by creating territories, even dis-contiguous, which hold more “power-space” than your opponent.

    I’ll let you fill in the blanks as to why seeing this may be important for “our struggle”!

  185. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 8, 2012 - 10:09 am | Permalink

    @starera:

    …Gregor, thanks for your reply. Your “You are still INSIDE the biological-science closed system which precludes other possibilities. A statement like this is still begging the question, assuming the ground assumptions of the closed system from which it emanates,” indicates that you are less interested in the science than in some metaphysical answer,…”

    With all due respect, the clip above reveals the phenomenon I’m trying to tease out into the light … and you can see in in the DUALITY of “science” vs “metaphysics”. This dualistic way of seeing a “Whole”, ie, White People, and looking for the “cause” in EITHER “this” OR “that” …. this is what I’m pointing at. I’m not trying to “prove” anything, but just do a little probing and see if others notice what is revealing itself: Our media, especially our written language, is the water our “thinking” swims in; and while we “think” inside that media, we cannot see it, so we “take on” its implicit assumptions and act like they are “real”.

    Yes, some apply the label “metaphysics” to this way of looking at stuff. Some also call it meta-science. Is there a “reason” philosophy is called the Queen of the Sciences? I’m not talking about the history of philosophy, or some word systems in a book. I’m pointing at a way of seeing.

    So, contrary to your last sentence above, I’m VERY INTERESTED IN SCIENCE. But I don’t think the “enlightenment science” based on a language biased toward the materialism of the “natural sciences” is the end of the story.

    If our goal is to understand ourselves in order to preserve ourselves, why do we want to insist on myopia? I will now state that the kind of “science” you insist on limiting us to, and containing us within, is a PC Religion; it’s a closed system which anchors us to axioms that the Enlightenment Inquisitors insist we “believe in”, or we are to be burned at the stake of respectable opinion.

    The creme-de-la-creme of thinking which CREATED US didn’t, and still doesn’t lock itself inside these kinds of boxes.

  186. Luke's Gravatar Luke
    November 8, 2012 - 9:50 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know why Amren’s comment section no longer has a ‘guest’ option when someone posts a comment?

    They’re forcing people to login and identify themselves via their email address and the name that gets attached to the post is the name associated with the email address provided.

    They’re using this ‘disqus’ service, and if you click on the ‘activity’ tab – you’ll see a compilation of every comment that has been posted by that login name/email address, and not only for Amren – but for every website you’ve ever posted a comment to using that email address.

    Someone is deliberately compiling dossiers of the opinions we express, folks. Gee whiz, I wonder who that ‘someone’ is and what their motivation might be for doing so?

    Remember the news articles about how the ADL and SPLC putting pressure on employers to fire people on their payroll who post perfectly legal speech that is clearly protected by the First Amendment – but, which doesn’t adhere to the Cultural Marxist tyranny of Political Correctness? This started with Facebook, but it now appears to be spreading all across the web.

    If you see ‘Disqus’ or any other of these social networking mechanisms being used, go elsewhere.

  187. Karlfried's Gravatar Karlfried
    November 8, 2012 - 8:32 am | Permalink

    Gregor,
    I like your comment very much. I want to repeat it in my words and I want to give some extra opinions. The Indo-European languages are made by humans and they are going forward and therefore the language drives the mind to improve and vice versa. For example in Germany in the centuries after Martin Luther the German language exploded in its abilities leading to the “time of geniuses” at the time of Goethe. Luther was the founder of the protestant religion, also the founder of the modern German language, and at his time the technological new thing of Gutenberg, the print-press, came in large-scale-use. Therefore Martin Luther is very important in Germany. — The structure of the language as well as the contents of the words both have influence on the way of thinking.

    Also in the last 500 years the white race made technological inventions as well as medical inventions as well as cultural inventions that are tremendous. Also the white race did conquer much very good settling-land of the earth, namely North America, Australia, South Africa.

    Today it is time to look back in this 500 years, to make a resumee and to ask some questions. Our planet is big and there are many strong competitors to the white race. In the last 500 years we have been developing so fast that we (the white race) were the world´s front runners for some centuries. Now the situation has changed. We must pay attention. We must carefully analyze the world as it is.

    All other players in the world-game can make use of our inventions (technical, medical, cultural) for free. And they also have their own old countries in Africa or China for themselves. Also they have their old habits in population number so as they like it.

    They have their own system plus they have our inventions plus plus they demand to have a part of our own countries as a habitat for their population surpluses. We white people must think how to react to this situation.

  188. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    November 8, 2012 - 7:52 am | Permalink

    I was at a University today where the name of the Library had been change to accommodate Leftist academic propaganda apologetica .The statement , Leftist Nonsense came from my lips , to which the Librarian replied , You wouldn’t get on very well around here . I do find it strange that the atmosphere at most Universities now is quite oppressive . The oxytocene of polite submission from old white males is visible in the hunched backs and the furtive looks .

  189. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 8, 2012 - 7:34 am | Permalink

    Great article and it makes perfect sense. Of course, a chemical that helps mothers bond with their children, or brother with brother, is preferential. A chemical that made a mother love every little creature equally would be a disaster. She would love some random cat down the street as much as her own child! That would not last long in a population; it would die out.

    I believe Plato said children should be taken from their parents and raised by a communal state. Aristotle responded that it was better to be the very real biological nephew of just one man, than the Platonic child of an entire society! Having one real blood relation is worth more than the entire Department of Human Services.

    I also wonder if this is a rebuke to those who say Whites are just “too moral”. Isn’t our biggest problem those Whites who have NO feeling for their fellow Whites? There are Whites who see no reason to “privilege” other Whites, and some who are darn well hostile to the idea to any loyalty to Whites (and ‘loyalty’ is commonly thought to be related to morality).

    Maybe they have a damaged biochemistry.

  190. HolyHoaxer's Gravatar HolyHoaxer
    November 8, 2012 - 7:01 am | Permalink

    I wonder if establishment figures like Sachs , are not starting to feel a little ingroup/outgroup sweat when dealing with a rising Chinese state and their imperturbable front .

  191. Mark Robinson's Gravatar Mark Robinson
    November 8, 2012 - 6:48 am | Permalink

    @Junghans: Surprise! The link was taken out.

  192. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 8, 2012 - 3:33 am | Permalink

    @Bobby: P.S. ,Alice, what I’m saying is that European-Americans have to stop being inquisitive about things that they should know by now, don’t matter a rats a– to them. It shows a degree of confusion or willfull stupidness that’s embarrassing.

  193. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 8, 2012 - 3:28 am | Permalink

    @Alice Teller: Hi, Alice. I was unclear. What I was getting at, are the endless ruminations that European-Americans will go through, on issues that should be crystal clear by now, in to how damaging they are to them. Yet they remain in what seems willfull confusion. For example, will this, that, or the other “minority” candidate be fair to European-Americans if he/she is elected? Duh, NO THEY WON’T!! They will focus on their group. Further proof: Bush received 42 percent of the so-called hispanic vote. Republican party bosses tell presumablly the European-Americans that vote for the Republican Party,that they need to focus more on the hispanic vote. Result: Romney received 24 percent of the “hispanic vote”. Result: The vile and stupid Republican party bosses have suggested we need to pay more attention to the hispanic vote!! And on and on this farce continues, rather than the Republican Party leaders concluding that “we have to pay more attention to getting the white vote.

  194. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 8, 2012 - 1:58 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty: Okee-doakee matey! Sorry about that.

  195. November 8, 2012 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    @Anglo Saxon:

    Lol! (Are you trying to mess with my head? :) Sigh, a BUGser’s work is never done. It’s,

    ANTI-RACIST IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE!

    That’s important, actually. The R-word used alone in almost any context is just repeating the mantra of the enemy.

    Cheers!

  196. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty:

    ANTI-RACIST[??] IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE!

    Dear Harumphty … I think you intended to write: ‘Racist’ is a code word for anti-White.

    Seems like our TOO Moderator missed that typo also.

    Don’t worry Matey, I do that kind of ‘typo’ thing all the time. But thought someone needed to post a quick correction, just for the record. Regards …

  197. November 8, 2012 - 12:45 am | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    I was a child in the South in the 1940s, and there was no “oxytocin deficiency” in whites in the South in their relations with negroes then, nor I think with the few Jews they came in contact with!

    But you can train animals out of their normal modes of behavior, and obviously that’s been done to whites during the years since. I don’t see what the big mystery is.

    Gregor, it might help me to understand what you’re getting at if you ventured further into your thoughts about the differences between Chinese and Europeans and the reasons for those differences! I’m very interested in that.

    In the meantime….

    ANTI-RACIST IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE!

    That says it all in regard to the degree of perversity that whites have been trained to.

  198. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    November 8, 2012 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    If ethnocentrism wasn’t natural, the races would all be completely mixed by now and would have been for thousands of years. Obviously, that is not the case.

  199. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:35 am | Permalink

    @MG135019:
    Well, I am only a lowly woman and I cannot aspire to the lofty status of polymath you present. You did, however, say:

    The role of oxytocin is thus to promote altruism within in-groups and aggression towards out-groups that are threatening the interests of the in-group.” That applies to us now. We are now facing severe threats, existential threats.

    Since all the world knows that we women are best left to the world of the concrete, I made what little contribution I could. If we are facing existential threats perhaps we can even dare to look beyond your pet theory that Christianity is the source of all evil. It may even be that women and our silly little rituals were the primary force in the production of the very chemical which promotes in group awareness and cohesion. Since we abandoned our role of producing both children and strong families the world does appear to be on the wrong tract.

  200. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 8, 2012 - 12:18 am | Permalink

    Those of you warning of the toxic role the “feminization” of Western Civilization has played in our demise, are surely on the right track.

    Those already familiar with my moniker may know that I have highlighted this problem many times before here at TOO. Usually, I have done so by pointing out the typical arrogance and dominance of the Amerikan Female. For it is the Amerikan Female that is so up-front, mouthy, and influential. Whenever I do so, I invariably attract indignant, sanctimonious, and verbally abusive responses from any of our resident female or male homosexual posters. Let us see what happens this time.

    While the chemical poisoning of our water and food supplies have surely amplified the feminizing process, I do believe it has also been brought about by through cultural conduits. All you need do is scan through most of the colour magazines that currently target the young female (aged 12 to 16) market. It is there that society is being reshaped through deviant imagery and counter-intuitive role modelling.

    If a young white girl keeps seeing professionally photographed images of girls like her holding onto, or looking in admiration at, young black males, then peer pressure will surely make her emulate that behaviour … or at least, she will do so if no other correcting or contrary influence is present in her life.

    White women represent White Civilization’s weakest link; especially for as long as the propositional nation called Amerika is allowed to promote the ridiculous notion that ‘equality’ must also mean “equality of the genders”. That was always a recipe for disaster from the very start.

    I have lived and worked in a Black country. I have had to train and supervise them in a technical environment. I can tell you that while superficially some can appear competent, the vast bulk are very and inherently problematic. In a social setting they are not really men; just boys with excess physical prowess, which they then use to intimidate, in the same way all male primates do in any jungle.

    Masculinity was never meant to be defined by physical prowess alone … unless you’ve spent too many years of your life watching WWF bouts on your television.

  201. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:09 am | Permalink

    @fender:
    Only in a well fed but sterile culture which divorces sexuality from fertility.

  202. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 8, 2012 - 12:01 am | Permalink

    @Sandman:
    I have already heard the pundits announce that the only hope for the republicans is to offer Hispanics more than the dems do. On the other hand, I heard a man, an ordinary taboo abiding man, say that he had spent his life treating every black person as an individual but if they were going to vote as a block why not treat them that way. He was angry, saying that they didn’t give a damn about the good of the country, only what was good for them. From now on, he said, no quarter. Titration points can be quite dramatic.

  203. Anglo Saxon's Gravatar Anglo Saxon
    November 7, 2012 - 11:54 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    Those evil Nazis, who promoted flouridated water, also promoted homeopathy and natural foods.

    One fine day, I shall be able to open a discussion page visited by brainwashed Amerikans without having to read someone making yet another idiotic reference to “the evil Nazis”.

    Those who pioneered the use of Sodium Fluoride in drinking water were in fact … THE BOLSHEVIKS.

    And anyone with half a brain knows that Bolshevism means one thing: the Jewish/Ashkenazi Ownership and Control of Mother Russia.

    That dominance was gained through the cold-blooded murder of around 60-million Christians … many of whom had Germanic ethnicity, with the majority being Slav!

    Yet the best that Curmudgeon can do is to lazily and irresponsibly demonize Germans, who are in fact the life-blood of the European (White) Race! No greater evidence of foolishness can be found.

  204. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 11:49 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    Would you expand on our corrosive “inquisitivness”. Not sure i am following you.

  205. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 7, 2012 - 11:43 pm | Permalink

    @90404:

    Blacks [both genders] have more testosterone.
    Check and see thats a fact.

    Whites are too fat. Fat can lower T in males.

    I know …. blacks high , whites medium , asians low.
    That’s why white men are not attracted to black women but may be attracted to asian women . While white women can be attracted to black men and much less likely asian men.

    Fat is likely a side effect of what is causing lower T.

  206. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

    @90404 RE: Getting on the LAPD
    I don’t know about LAPD but I know of at least one police force that keeps you off the force is your IQ is too high! I also know of a case of applying a hands on approach to removing high IQ recruits.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
    No wonder some of them seem so deadly dull and cannot think outside of the box. Good useful idiots. Smart enough for the requirements of the job, not smart enough to outsmart their superiors or to realize when they are violating their oath of office (or working against the best interests of their people). A guy like that is as far below a genius as a retarded person is below him. It’s no wonder that some people can’t communicate with each other. Imagine a genius with an IQ of 160 communicating with a guy with an IQ of 75. Not much common ground. They are like members of different species.

  207. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 7, 2012 - 11:28 pm | Permalink

    @starera:


    the feminization of political power in the West is what leads to the failure of whites to protect their own interests. Women are easily swayed by emotion and fall prey to manipulation by our enemies. A masculine West would not have allowed jews to dominate the media, for example. Our dear women were designed to be mothers and not warriors, that is the essence of it.

    Well , women are actually warriors but a different kind of warrior. Women psych men out. This is a natural human condition since men are stronger physically , women need to undermine mens masculinity and to break up any kind of macho solidarity ( super masculine society) where men could very easily subjugate women. In example , after a war and by the winning side.
    It is a male vs female group struggle that has gone on for eons and where a good medium is best , but it is only when our enemy took advantage and tipped the scales to the feminine extreme we live under that it is very destructive condition; as we see.

  208. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

    @Harumphty Dumpty

    Hello. We once had a discussion about martial arts for self defense for whites.

  209. Mary Thomas's Gravatar Mary Thomas
    November 7, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I just ran across a comment on another site where an idiot liberal poster talked about “slack jawed morons who believe in white civil rights.” These people are “liberal” for the rights of everybody….except whites! When are they going to get their well deserved beatdown?

  210. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Both communists and fascists, two branches of totalitarian collectivism and Obama:
    http://rense.com/general81/abig.htm
    http://rense.com/general84/brck.htm
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/15/obamas-influential-communist-mentor/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tef2UDN_2k&feature=related
    http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=411
    This is the short list. I have a long list in my file A Usurper T***

  211. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 7, 2012 - 11:13 pm | Permalink

    @MG135019:

    An important example is flouride. Look up flouride and cognition and flouride and mind control. Flouride reduces the ability to resist and to defend oneself. Flouride has been a tool of repressive regimes and it is historically documented as such.

    Yeah , there have been many concerns with fluoride that have never been properly addressed. One aspect that raises questions is that it is all about fluoride with no other option for dental health. This is unbelievable given the ongoing dental health diseases of every type with no progress in fifty years, but an ever growing and very lucrative dental industry.

    I question vaccines as a very likely suspect; much worth considerable scrutiny. How about a wide spread and long term study of vaccine vs. unvaccinated populations. Shockingly…never done.

  212. November 7, 2012 - 11:12 pm | Permalink

    @fender: India, China, even Japan have internal ethnic differences and racial differences that figure into politics and are not apparent to you, evidently (India’s castes, Japans Ainu, etc.). They can and do have plenty of diversity entirely without the involvement of Whites, Blacks, Jews, or other groups familiar to Americans.

    By the way, I saw nothing that limits oxytocin to racial solidarity, though it might be so limited (I don’t know). I wonder if it also promotes solidarity along other lines, such as language, age, gender, ideology, etc.

  213. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 7, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns, yes, the feminization of political power in the West is what leads to the failure of whites to protect their own interests. Women are easily swayed by emotion and fall prey to manipulation by our enemies. A masculine West would not have allowed jews to dominate the media, for example. Our dear women were designed to be mothers and not warriors, that is the essence of it.

    @Gregor, thanks for your reply. Your “You are still INSIDE the biological-science closed system which precludes other possibilities. A statement like this is still begging the question, assuming the ground assumptions of the closed system from which it emanates,” indicates that you are less interested in the science than in some metaphysical answer, but for what it is worth I’ll discus the science involved.

    Group identification is a biological phenomenon which in humans is mediated by culture. The part of your prior comment which was tangential was the speculation “Are Whites DEFICIENT in Oxytocin.” There may indeed me some racial differences in oxytocin levels but that does not imply a deficiency, levels would have evolved to best fit the particular environment and therefore any difference would be a natural consequence of evolution and not a deficiency.

    Also group behavior is likely mediated by many more hormones than merely oxytocin and the key biological factor in behavior is always brain physiology rather than the particular hormone or hormones involved. It is the brain that evolves, the hormones were already there. In humans behavior is also heavily mediated by culture, and in this case culture (feminization) is the major factor and not any differences in oxytocin levels, which are likely small if they do exist.

    I’ll take a pass on the metaphysical philosophy and leave that to you.

  214. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 7, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    Blacks [both genders] have more testosterone.
    Check and see thats a fact.

    Whites are too fat. Fat can lower T in males.

  215. November 7, 2012 - 11:03 pm | Permalink

    “You’re an anti-white who is carrying out white genocide.”

    That’s the proper response to an anti-white whenever they say ANYthing, because that’s the reality that we must hammer home until it fills up white brains the way the R-word fills up white brains presently.

  216. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 7, 2012 - 11:00 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:
    In California, Prop 37 lost.

  217. 90404's Gravatar 90404
    November 7, 2012 - 10:59 pm | Permalink

    @Bobby:
    A young LEO once told me, the only way a White male can get with the LAPD is if his score is perfect and hes a vet.
    Remember ramparts scandal? And other LAPD scandals?
    They choose sociopaths, all too frequently.

  218. November 7, 2012 - 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Wrong:

    “Rather than cave in to their accusations we should reply that their primary motivation is not in-group favoritism but out-group prejudice,..”

    Right:

    “Rather than cave in to their accusations we should reply that they are anti-whites who are carrying out a program of white genocide.

  219. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 7, 2012 - 10:50 pm | Permalink

    @Curmudgeon:

    Actually, it is bisphenol A in plastics that have feminized Western men. I could also add hormones and other chemical food additives like MSG.

    Young women these days have, generally, much larger breasts than 50 years ago. Menses starts at a younger age than 50 years ago.
    The number of drugs prescribed and taken grow year after year.

    I do think there is something present in the environment that causing the effects you describe , but plastic and msg , etc. are not exclusive to whites.
    What is it that is effecting whites as to feminize whites more so than blacks?
    I do think there is a increase in homo/feminine type of white guys , and I am thinking it might happen while in gestation or very early on.

  220. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    “Long legged mack daddy” is the apellation applied to Obama by a certain colorful Black minister. His video about that is entertaining.

  221. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 10:33 pm | Permalink

    @Alice Teller
    With all due respect, and you are intelligent, obviously, but you are too specific and fixate on small details that prevent you from understanding the big picture sometimes. That is my impression from several of your comments.

    Perhaps dogs are presented and interpreted on a subconscious level as relatives. There is certainly an adaptive aspect to being able to form a relationship with dogs. Dogs have been very helpful hunters, protectors, alarms, eyes and ears, etc. To some degree your cognitive function should be able to interpret for you that you are related to so-and-so, so-and-so is your mother, etc., and this could also have a hormonal affect. That is my take on it. Take it or leave it.

  222. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 10:25 pm | Permalink

    P.S. See Tarpley’s books on the Obama project.

  223. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 10:24 pm | Permalink

    @Mark Robinson
    Not just any and every Jew, a very specific Jew. One George Soros. Also, a very specific non Jew, one Zbigniew Brzezinski. Various communists have had a big part, too. Obama has been groomed for what he is doing since at least the early 1980s. He was known to some communists in the Soviet Union in the 80s. Use what I have just said to do some word searches to research this. “Obama and communism or communists,” “Obama Brzezinski Soros protege”, “soviet communists knew about obama,” “when I first heard of obama soviet union communists,” “obama groomed,” “Obama’s real father,” etc. Obama is a long term project of certain organized criminals. Did you ever see “Damian?” “Rosemary’s baby?” It is kind of like that but I do not make any claim or believe in a supernatural origin for him. I do recognize that he was groomed for this from an early age by evil people. I did not do the original research, I just read some of it. Just for fun look up “Long legged mack daddy.” :)

  224. Jason Speaks's Gravatar Jason Speaks
    November 7, 2012 - 10:19 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    Very interesting and thought provoking.

  225. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    @Hedgerow
    “The most often heard accusation by liberals against white nationalists and critics of mass immigration is that they are bedevilled by ‘irrational fears.’”
    Of course the fears are quite rational, logical, and adaptive. Actually from a Darwinian standpoint, it is immensely obvious that excessive promotion of out-groups is extremely irrational. The question is, where are the White liberals getting this attitude or why are they susceptible to this brainwashing? I say that even White liberals who eschew religious observance are under the influence of an exaggerated and unnatural misinterpretation of Christian Universalism which permeates their culture.
    Why do they think that it is irrational to resent out-group encroachment? Because they are operating, as if there are always unlimited resources to share and that the out-group could not possibly harbor ill intent. [Do out-groups harbor ill intent? Keyword search "twitter, blacks threaten to riots, blacks threaten to kill Romney" and see if there might be an ill intent.] Ironically, even though the cultural marxists are working feverishly to impose artificial scarcity on us through environmental and centralization of power initiatives like Agenda 21 and other environmental programs, they operate under the notion of unlimited resources available for all when it comes to their notion of correct responses to immigration issues. I’m talking about those at the “useful idiot” level, all but a few of them, in other words. Their thinking is non sequitor considering their constant harping about their make-believe anthropogenic global warming and their phony “peak oil” scam. There is an internal inconsistency in their thinking which I think I just demonstrated.

  226. Alice Teller's Gravatar Alice Teller
    November 7, 2012 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    I cannot pretend to understand half of this interesting conversation at first reading. Perhaps you are overlooking some very fundamental issues. Most of the changes in chemistry are a result of bonding, which is not always a one time event. Over time we can form inter-species bonds. Why do we pet our dogs? Children do not recognize only those physically related to them. In the very recent past, the custodian of long time bonding was the mother. Families actually do require nourishing and repetition. Everything from hands on parenting to family dinners and Sunday at Grandma’s are now lost to us. There actually is a difference between nursing a baby and visiting the ladies room with a breast pump. Marriage, family and women who take them seriously really do matter. We seem to have forgotten.

  227. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 9:46 pm | Permalink

    P.S. @Gregor and others.
    You asked what was causing Whites to “malfunction” this way. I do not believe that it is a genetic disorder of Whites causing them to act this way.
    Aside from a suicidal misinterpretation of Christian Universalism and Cultural Marxist attacks aimed at us, education is used to brainwash us and make us suffer debilitating and unfair guilt, and we are subjected to chemicals and electrical fields that interfere with normal functioning and cognition. An important example is flouride. Look up flouride and cognition and flouride and mind control. Flouride reduces the ability to resist and to defend oneself. Flouride has been a tool of repressive regimes and it is historically documented as such. As people at this site are well aware, popular media is a brainwashing tool, also. Beyond that, certain radio frequencies can affect cognition. Even flashing lights can strongly affect your brain, look at what happens to some Epileptics who are exposed to certain cadences of flashing lights for evidence of this. It can cause a fit as can other stimuli. Exposure to hormones can be harmful. Lack of adequate sunlight can lead to vitamin D deficiency causing lower testosterone levels for males and serotonin deficiency and weakened immune systems for everyone. Our ancestors evolved in conditions in which they spent most of their time outdoors or significant amounts of time outdoors and were adapted to manufacture vitamin D under harsh northern conditions (they were fair skinned!:). Even so, if we do not get outside much even at lower latitudes, our body chemistry will not be optimum and we will not function optimally. With low serotonin and low testosterone a White man is at risk of not functioning optimally and of susceptibility to propaganda. Presumably, more sunlight exposure will also better regulate a woman’s hormones and is, again, shown to improve serotonin levels and therefore cognition (don’t forget “Seasonal Affect” or Affective Disorder due to low exposure to full-spectrum light during the winter’s short days and weaker sunlight). Poor health and nutrition can cause cognitive problems. Food allergies and the related phenomenon of food reactions (which is also an immune response) could also weaken one’s resolve and cognitive function. Fear can lower testosterone and serotonin levels. Lack of appropriate exercise can affect hormones and serotonin. The list is long and we are susceptible to a lot of pernicious influences. Get as healthy and fit as possible and it will strengthen your balance and resolve and ability to defend yourself.
    I want to be clear. I do not advocate viciousness. What I advocate is that Whites need to stand up for their own best interests.

  228. Richard's Gravatar Richard
    November 7, 2012 - 9:26 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    “Not true. A woman will much sooner bed an unintelligent but alpha male black than a billionaire nerdy White man.”

    Maybe that is true for some White women.

    But it’s probably not true for a large percentage of them.

  229. Junghans's Gravatar Junghans
    November 7, 2012 - 9:18 pm | Permalink

    @Mark Robinson: The link that you posted is very important and should be read by everyone browsing this ‘thread’. It’s straight from the kosher source, about how Jewry took a Mulatto nobody and created a Negro somebody, who they eventually foisted upon White America, as the new “black Camelot” in the White House. All with the rather obvious intention of humiliating Whites (and promoting race-mixing) with their manufactured Black stooge.

  230. MG135019's Gravatar MG135019
    November 7, 2012 - 9:11 pm | Permalink

    This is how many people have viewed the issue all along. It is simply logical from an evolutionary standpoint to favor your own group. It is accepted that it is ethical to favor one’s own family. Why would it be less ethical to favor one’s own race? A race is a big family. It is obvious that it is adaptive to favor one’s own race and maladaptive to give the same favor to another race. This new research shows how the adaptive behavior is implemented on a nuts and bolts level. Many primatologists and physical and cultural anthropologists have been on to these adaptive traits for quite some time. These discussions have just been increasingly suppressed by Cultural Marxists since the 1980s when huge numbers of the Flower Children, the beneficiaries of grade inflation, which was partly due to protecting students from the draft, came into influence with advanced degrees giving a voice and legitimacy to sixties radical Marxist programs. Just as population geneticists have systematically ignored all of the previous traditional work of physical anthropologists in the area of human variation, previous work on the adaptive nature of in group favoritism has been suppressed, kept from the public eye. Guess what? The elephant in the living room, the reason for suppressing that, is that not all people are equal in ability and it is also moral and healthy to support your own group. Only one group is allowed to favor their own, know that they are not the same, and know that not everyone is equal. What is it that made the universalism notion so popular among whites? What made it popular for whites to harm their own people and even their own families (for example, supporting affirmative action laws that will immensely harm one’s own male relatives especially). What could cause Whites to religiously discriminate against their own kind and even their family? Not genes. Genes like that would have ceased to have been passed on long ago.

    “In-group members concentrate on the performance of altruism within the group rather than aggression towards outsiders unless the competing out-group comes to be seen as a threat. Conflict escalation between ethnic groups is lower when physical barriers exist between them. The role of oxytocin is thus to promote altruism within in-groups and aggression towards out-groups that are threatening the interests of the in-group.” That applies to us now. We are now facing severe threats, existential threats.

    In Judaism a recognition of these facts are built into the culture and the religion. In Christianity, at least the way it is usually practiced now, there is a negation of these facts. This, taken to its extreme, will insure the failure of people, real biological entities, Whites who practice Christianity, to survive and for Christianity itself to survive, ironically. Ironically, Christianity eschews suicide. Therefore, Christians need to rethink their positions and interpretations of the religion to avoid these internal inconsistencies. It would be nice to survive, too.

  231. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 9:05 pm | Permalink

    @fender:

    Non-White nations never have these stupid “discussions” about “ethnocentrism” and “racism.” The Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Arabs, etc. instinctively know that there’s no reason to allow other races political or numerical power in their countries.

    Fender, what you are viewing is the difference between Civilizational White Mind and Tribal Mind, both of which are based on different media, at least in their formation.

    Complaining about a REAL difference won’t do anything to change it, or help ourselves. UNDERSTANDING how we got the way we are may lead in that direction. We can’t know where it’s possible to go (and BE) until we understand what made us end up as we are.

    Whites, however, have been been completely deprived of their natural insticts due to intense conditioning from … etc.

    This is the “somebody dunnit to us” thesis. I used to believe this. While there ARE influences from that arena, the most important one isn’t “outside” of us at all.

    As McLuhan makes clear, and even Heidegger addresses in “The Question Concerning Technology” … this was an “inside job”.

    The very media and mediation technologies which Whites invented … RE-INVENTED us, and continue to do so, at an alarming rate.

    We were not intentionally “deprived of our natural instincts”: the very things which brought us from Tribalism to Civilizational did this. The “Tribal Mind” was swallowed by Gutenburg and books. Books cannot exist inside a tribal mind, at least not in phonetic-alphabetic form, and as the basis for “constructing” a social entity. Chinese have books, printing and writing, but the nature of these in their case is totally different than ours, and not just in appearance. Understanding this is key to why the Chinese never became “creative” in the same sense as Europeans.

    We have been deprived of our natural instincts due to “intense conditioning” from the media and technology that WE INVENTED.

    Our task now is to find a way OUT of this predicament without self-destructing the good parts of it. We cannot stop this and we cannot evade thinking about this. The FORM of media and its velocity is whats in play, and that cannot be stopped. We must find new ways to deal with and live inside a totally new world, shaped by the FORMAL nature of mediation.

    This is what’s meant by “The Media is the Massage”. The current masseuse has VERY strong hands …. and we cannot escape her grip.

  232. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 7, 2012 - 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @Andrew:

    “On the subject of women’s desires, it is true that they are attracted to masculinity, strength and dominance, and many African males exhibit these traits. However, those are not the main attractors for human females. Rather, qualities such as resources, status, intelligence and social intelligence (normal emotions, sense of humor) carry much more weight. ”

    Not true. A woman will much sooner bed an unintelligent but alpha male black than a billionaire nerdy White man.

  233. Malcolm Y's Gravatar Malcolm Y
    November 7, 2012 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    The research seems to indicate: oyxtocin implies group solidarity feelings. I wonder if a rough contrapositive might be true: being forced to believe in the equality of all groups (races), as school children today are, implies abnormal brain chemistry (e.g. chemicals that cause inner conflict, frustration etc.) ?

  234. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 7:13 pm | Permalink

    @snapperhead soup: You noted in your post, about as insanely long as mine (LOL), that ….

    “The natural mode of man has been tribalism.”

    I think that statement is an entry point to seeing where I’m going with my posts, or suggesting our inquiry go.

    What “made” tribalism what it is? To say that it’s “natural” probably means that it’s what’s always been “in place” before literacy and technology. That leads us to investigate what were the EFFECTS of literacy-teknos which changed Whites from “tribal” to “civilizational”?

    I don’t see any other EFFECTS in play when one examines that change. Maybe someone else does, and if so I’d like to know about them.

    In case anyone here is not familiar with Marshall McLuhan, most of the ways I’m tending to look at this phenomenon are derived from some aspects of his thinking. One of his main ideas was that media, which includes speech itself as the basic media technology that separated humans from animals, is an OUTERING of the senses.

    By using vocal sounds to OUTER a literal movement in our mind, we gained a LEVER. That lever enabled us to (sorta) put our mind out there for others to see, and for us to see theirs. This is now called communication.

    As these LEVERS, or Outerings of our senses and central nervous system were AMPED UP by technologies such as writing, the aphabet, printing, telegraph, radio, TV and now the internet, the NATURE of our consciousness and the actual shape of our world was AFFECTED.

    If we don’t address this, and include it in our thinking about “Who We ARE”, we are living inside an outdated and very CLOSED system of mind, one that we remain in at our own peril.

  235. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 6:52 pm | Permalink

    @Hadding Scott: You can remove the opening word “No” because we are not in disagreement at the essential level.

    Yes, anti-racism is anti-nature.
    Yes, White nature exists and is unique in nature.
    Yes, “anti-racism” is a CODE WORD for anti-White

    I wish you’d put your quick mind to thinking and informing about the nature of White Mind, where it came from, and how it’s actually evolving as the techno-scape of media-mediation changes.

    If we lock ourselves in DEFINING ourself into a corner, we stop evolving. What’s “evolving” now isn’t so much genetic, but “memetic”, and the carrier of that is moving much faster than gene change (with a few exceptions). Media-mediation CHANGE is the “carrier” of this evolution, imho.

    Love to see you pick up and EXTEND the probes embedded in my wordy stuff above. I know you can do it. I sure wish somebody would.

  236. November 7, 2012 - 6:48 pm | Permalink

    @John hearns:
    Actually, it is bisphenol A in plastics that have feminized Western men. I could also add hormones and other chemical food additives like MSG.

    Young women these days have, generally, much larger breasts than 50 years ago. Menses starts at a younger age than 50 years ago.
    The number of drugs prescribed and taken grow year after year.
    Those evil Nazis, who promoted flouridated water, also promoted homeopathy and natural foods.

    We are being poisoned by Jewish Pharma agribusiness.

  237. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 6:42 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor, you are going off on a tangent speculating about “a kind of “interferon” which negates the in-group caring and survival enhancing effect of Oxytocin.”

    Interestingly, Dr. MacDonald wrote a paper a few years back, published in TOQ (and perhaps even available on TOO) which discusses this issue.

    If memory serves, Dr. MacDonald posited that the “new brain”, the logical-rational frontal parts somehow were involved in “inhibiting” the survival instincts of the “old brain” (amygdala?). While he didn’t bring up the topic of Oxytocin in that article, he did broach the topic of some “thing” which inhibited in-group cohesion, and suggested it may have to do with “rationality”.

    My line of inquiry is to investigate the source of that so-called “rationality”, and where it comes from. I don’t think it can be “found” in the “meat” of physical man, but resides in modes of mediation-language.

    The basic “ground” of so-called “Western Science” is the mind-body dualism, and much research is biased toward the “body” aspect because that’s the stuff that “natural science” has heretofore had a grip on, been able to deal with.

    But the actual PHENOMENON of “man” isn’t split by this dualism, a dualism created by the language we’re using right now. It’s literally impossible to “see” a human body without a mind, and vice-versa. So why do we split them up in order to study “man”? Why the bias which always reverts to the “meat” aspects of the phenomenon, as if that were ever possible to separate from “mind” in the actual living thing?

    This gets more difficult once one looks at “mind”. Where does it reside? Is it “individual”, or does it lie-locate in a different manner, perhaps even a “group” manner? And how does that work?

    At this stage, for me, I’m beginning to see “mind”, especially “White Mind”, as a phenomenon that exists THROUGH our mediation-language modes, and in a “space between” what we tend to call “individuals”. We are in a plenum, with mind-body all present at the same time, and “individuals” not being 100% separate when we share “mind” via mediation-language-technology.

    We are doing it right here, and right now. The media is phonetic-alphabetic literacy, the carrier is the “net”, and “we” only exist in this point in time due to that.

    But “primitive” and/or “tribal” mind is altogether different, and does not depend on the substrate of the “principle of non-contradiction” embedded in White Mind by our media history. I’m actually beginning to see the beginnings of a trail that leads toward an understanding of the topics in MacDonald’s Trilogy: Understand “Tribal vs Civilizational” mind in terms of mediation modes … might lead to understanding the JQ.

    Perhaps I wish for too much!

  238. November 7, 2012 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor:

    Which just goes to show ya ….

    Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White.

    No, what it shows is that anti-racism is anti-nature.

    If we could stop being fearful servants of authorities beyond ourselves, and listen to our own nature, our potential for longterm survival and success would be greatly increased.

  239. Andrew's Gravatar Andrew
    November 7, 2012 - 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Snapperhead, a great comment, but you may perhaps neglect a couple of things. Ethnocentrism is instinctive, so in that sense you could describe it as “irrational”, but it is also completely rational, if you accept that the long-term survival of your own kind is extremely desireable.

    On the subject of women’s desires, it is true that they are attracted to masculinity, strength and dominance, and many African males exhibit these traits. However, those are not the main attractors for human females. Rather, qualities such as resources, status, intelligence and social intelligence (normal emotions, sense of humor) carry much more weight. These give a woman’s children more survival value, and nature has crafted the fair sex to seek men with those qualities. The most desireable women are usually found with successful and intelligent males rather than the most masculine/attractive (for sports stars, their status and success is more attractive to women than their physical attributes). The women who mate with non-famous Africans are more typically of the trailer-trash side of the equation.

  240. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    @starera:

    .. you are going off on a tangent speculating about “a kind of “interferon” which negates the in-group caring and survival enhancing effect of Oxytocin.”

    Actually, I asked a question and posited two possible interpretations. I posited that the problem wasn’t a biological lack of Oxytocin, but that something else was involved. I suggested that this “something else” was NOT “biological” in the sense of genetics as usually concieved.

    My “point” was to probe for possibilities that are usually not even noticed.

    Keep in mind that behavior evolves in general terms as does anatomy and physiology and the key is the evolutionary change in the brain and not the particular hormone which mediates the behavior; etc. etc. …

    This statement IMPOSES precisely that “scientific” closed-system thinking which my query is trying to “get outside of”. Once you IMPOSE a set of axioms as a base of investigation, you create a closed system in which the results of those axioms predictably exist as a result of those axioms. By putting the “cause” involved in the mode of the “Mystery in the Meat”, ie. materialism, you EXCLUDE other ways of looking at the “thing”.

    My purpose above is to move in the direction of Open Systems Thinking, and not stick to the axiomatic materialist constructions of “science”. Whether anyone will “go there” is an open question.

    Group identification is essential behavior in any social species and it is unlikely that much difference exists between races, it is a fundamental instinct in all races.

    But isn’t the question at hand WHY there appears to be a problem with Whites displaying an apparent LACK of in-group cohesion and altruism, as opposed to other non-White demographics? If this is not a problem, why are many, including Dr. MacDonald, even addressing it?

    Blacks, for example, might exhibit the trait in different ways because they are more impulsive and less rational than whites, but the instinct would be the same.

    If the “instinct” is the same, why would there appear to be a quantitive difference in expression? What the article suggests isn’t a mere difference in the QUALITY of expression of ingroup cohesiveness, but a QUANTITATIVE difference between groups “high on Oxytocin” and those who 1. don’t have enough, or 2. are experiencing something which overwhelms/interferes with its effects.

    By saying Blacks are “less rational” than Whites, you come back to the basic question: Where does that come from? IQ studies, to my knowledge, can give a “quotient” or “ratio” of difference between groups, but they don’t really say what “rationality” is. Please inform if I’m mistaken on this. I think “rationality” has more to do with the history of mediation, ie language/media, that Whites experienced, and were changed by, for the last 2.5k years.

    Harpending’s “10,000 year explosion” in the genetic sense may have been nothing in terms of its EFFECT when compared to the “2,500 year explosion” of the EFFECT of media on White Mind. This is an open question: any serious takers?

    You might say that the “interferon” you are looking for is testosterone, because the behavior you speak of in whites is the result of the feminization of the culture and not any difference in brain chemistry.

    See my response to clip #1 above. You are still INSIDE the biological-science closed system which precludes other possibilities. A statement like this is still begging the question, assuming the ground assumptions of the closed system from which it emanates.

    Can we move into new thinking yet?

  241. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 7, 2012 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman:

    That reality has already come to fruition. Whites do the work in America while non-Whites take White money and play sports, star in movies, and release hip hop albums. Whites are the slaves, and have been since the 30s pretty much. Starting with FDR it was all downhill.

    @Bobby:

    A police force and military that are majority non-White will undoubtedly be used against Whites. That’s why it’s imperative for Whites to leave the country before that happens, because once it does there won’t be any escape.

  242. John hearns's Gravatar John hearns
    November 7, 2012 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    @starera:


    You might say that the “interferon” you are looking for is testosterone, because the behavior you speak of in whites is the result of the feminization of the culture and not any difference in brain chemistry.

    I agree.

    As in…
    Affirmative action = women and minorities vs white men.

    Our enemy knows well how to use our women in tandem with non-whites as an effective weapon against us.

  243. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 5:37 pm | Permalink

    @Sandman: Already, if you lived around the Los Angeles area, and saw some of the cops, etc. A lot of them are mestizos, probably ex gangbangers that still have tatoos on their necks,etc. I’m not kdding!! No doubt some of them have relatives who have stolen things like one of my cars, tape deck, auto apron, broken my car window, bicycle,etc. NO I’M NOT EXAGGERATING!!

  244. Sandman's Gravatar Sandman
    November 7, 2012 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    If the White guilt crowd still wants to think that “race doesn’t matter” as voting patterns prove it’s all that matters to non-Whites it will be a sign of full on dementia. They’ll probably just retire in Costa Rica while the White middle and working class is done away with in the name of pluralism. Probably the top 10% of Whites will adapt to the New America. They will be allowed to deliver non-White babies, teach them, and heal their sickness. Build,organize, and invent. But that’s it. No political power or cultural influence. Just a constant feeling that their words and actions are being scrutinized. For many, it won’t be a very pleasant time to be around. Maybe when the children of today’s anchor babies have police power over us, Whites will understand that “race matters.” Amnesty is comming.The Repubs will be ready to give in this time. Hope I’m wrong, but wouldn’t bet on it.

  245. Mark Robinson's Gravatar Mark Robinson
    November 7, 2012 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Who made Obama?

    http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?id=252218&sid=212226

    One longtime Jewish observer of the political scene, who did not want to be identified, said admiringly that “Jews made him. Wherever you look, there is a Jewish presence.”

  246. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

    The premise I have for rejecting multiculturalist political philosophy is simple. There is NO EQUALITY OF POWER. Power is never shared equally. If whites stupidly leave a power vacuum, others will gladly and GRATEFULLY, AND WITH A VENGEANCE COME AND FILL IT. That is a view that is indisputable and based on human reality.

  247. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @fender: fender, although I don’t agree with him about everything, once again nailed white pathology, when it comes to their corrosive “inquisitivness”. It seems they will have to learn the hard way.

  248. Bobby's Gravatar Bobby
    November 7, 2012 - 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Ethno centrism is Normal and Natural.

    Well, as far as this latest election was concerned, “minorities” have absorbed this lesson. Only the Stupid and ever Clueless White population hasn’t. Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo……

  249. starera's Gravatar starera
    November 7, 2012 - 3:48 pm | Permalink

    @Gregor, you are going off on a tangent speculating about “a kind of “interferon” which negates the in-group caring and survival enhancing effect of Oxytocin.” Keep in mind that behavior evolves in general terms as does anatomy and physiology and the key is the evolutionary change in the brain and not the particular hormone which mediates the behavior; in general the brain will evolve different responses to pre-existing hormones in the species. Think of the particular hormone involved as merely the light switch while the brain is the lightbulb and concentrate on the lightbulb.

    Group identification is essential behavior in any social species and it is unlikely that much difference exists between races, it is a fundamental instinct in all races. Blacks, for example, might exhibit the trait in different ways because they are more impulsive and less rational than whites, but the instinct would be the same. You might say that the “interferon” you are looking for is testosterone, because the behavior you speak of in whites is the result of the feminization of the culture and not any difference in brain chemistry.

  250. Hedgerow's Gravatar Hedgerow
    November 7, 2012 - 3:02 pm | Permalink

    “The most often heard accusation by liberals against white nationalists and critics of mass immigration is that they are bedevilled by ‘irrational fears.’”

    Those who make such an accusation are the irrational ones. The long and bloody history of conflict in multicultural societies makes that obvious. Libraries are filled with volumes on the conflicts. Liberals claim to believe, without a coherent explanation, that somehow they know how to transcend that. All that stands in their way are dissenters who must be repressed for impeding the new utopia.

  251. November 7, 2012 - 2:22 pm | Permalink

    “Ethnocentrism is normal and rational”

    This is a rather specious argument. What the study shows is that ‘ethnocentrism’ is normal and IRRATIONAL, i.e. irrationalism is the natural mode of living organisms. And why should this be surprising? Humans evolved from lower forms of life, and life has existed since its very inception in a dog-eat-dog world(even before dogs evolved).
    Animals cannot survive in the wild if they have to THINK and REASON about what to do; they simply don’t have the reaction time. They must do it by instinct, often in a fight-or-flight way.
    A prey can be killed by a predator in an instant. One wrong step or move can mean death. So, animals have to live by scents, sounds, sights, movements, and the feel of things. Thinking and reasoning are luxuries. If a deer saw a cougar and began to philosophize about what to do, it would be dinner. For the deer to survive, it must spot the danger and instantly flee without thinking.

    Of course, animals do ‘calculate’ and ‘gauge’ things, especially unfamiliar things, but they do so with a great deal of anxiety and trepidation–’irrational’ feelings.
    What this shows is that irrationality isn’t the same thing as being ‘crazy’ or ‘demented’. It can mean instinct over intellect, and instinct for spotting danger(especially among unfamiliar things) is natural among organisms. This is why most species of animals cannot form into large groups. Wolf packs distrust other wolf packs. Lion prides war with other lion prides. One ant colony will fight another ant colony, even if they are of the same species.

    The natural mode of man has been tribalism. This is why, for most of human existence, there were no nations or empires. Instead, there were countless warring tribes divided along blood lines. The natural state of Europe wasn’t nationalism but family-tribalism, something like the Hatfields vs the McCoys. For most of European history, countless white tribes fought other white tribes.
    African societies are still like this, which is why blacks cannot form functional nations in Africa. Each African nation is divide along tribal lines, and some nations have 1000s of tribes.

    Europeans were able to create larger societies by transcending the narrow confines of tribalism and kin-ism. And indeed, Northern European nations achieved this more than Southern ones like Italy(especially Southern Italy) and Greece, which is why Southern Europe has had more problems of social distrust; dishonest and clannish Greeks or Italians will still favor their own family-tribe over others against ostensibly commonly held principles.

    But too much of a good thing is a bad thing. While it was good for Great Britain and Germany to form larger nation-states with social consciousness that transcended narrow familial-tribal-clannish loyalties, things began to fall apart when this principle was applied to all of humanity. Every idea has a useful limit, and too much of something is never a good thing. It’s like it’s a good idea to add salt to cooking, but that doesn’t mean you should pour in as much salt as possible.

    The main thrust of this article seems to be, “since mankind is naturally meant to be ‘racist’, ‘racism’ is a good, normal, and rational thing.” It’s a weak argument. Something isn’t good simply because it’s natural. After all, man is naturally meant to be lazy. So, should we be lazy? Man is naturally meant to be vulgar and crude. So, should we be vulgar and crude? Naturally, many men are born to be would-be-rapists. It’s the natural way for men to roam and go on the ‘cunt-hunt’. But that doesn’t mean men should go around raping. And it could be shown that men are natural thieves. Why not? All animals–gorillas, lions, hyenas, bears, wolves, etc–are. They steal as much as they can. Animals steal all the time, and the natural mode of man is also to take and steal as much as he can. But if we all acted naturally, civilization would fall apart and we would return to barbarism. Blacks are the most natural people in the world–sexually, criminally, emotionally, musically, etc–, but they create the most unlivable communities.

    Of course, we must not deny nature. Instead, we must harness and channel natural animal energies toward constructive goals. So, if the natural tendency of man is to ‘grab as much as he can’, we must teach young people to study and work hard instead of stealing stuff. If the natural tendency of man is to find women to hump, we must teach males the ritual of courtship and good manners instead of having them act like rapists and thugs.

    Speaking of rationalism, we need to use rationally gathered facts and rational arguments to defend white interests. Rationally speaking, the two main threats to whites come from Jews(who are smarter and more aggressive) and blacks(who are stronger and more aggressive).
    Jews are feisty and vengeful, witty and intellectual. They work together to undermine white majority power. And blacks are muscular, tough, and fast. And they are filled with macho rage and look down on white males as ‘flabby white boys’. And blacks lust after white women, and white women are increasingly turned on by jungle fever because it is the natural mode of women(of all races) to be impressed and seduced by more macho males with bigger muscles, taller heights, tougher voices, and bigger sexual organs.
    It is also natural for smart people to be attracted to smarter people, and this explains why so many smart white people are impressed and worshipful of smarter Jews who dominate culture, ideas, academia, and media.
    Thus, there isn’t a single form of nature, but many kinds. Some are for us, some are against us.

  252. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 12:36 pm | Permalink

    This excellent article has many dimensions which could be usefully expanded upon. By “usefully” I mean that there are implicit “probes” present which may lead us to ask questions relevant to “our struggle”.

    One such question is ….

    Are Whites DEFICIENT in Oxytocin, and that is why we seem to lack enough in-group “caring” bias; OR do Whites have the same level of Oxytocin as any other group, but its positive effects are somehow overwhelmed or negated by something else? That “something else” would act like a kind of “interferon” which negates the in-group caring and survival enhancing effect of Oxytocin.

    At this stage, I’m in the latter camp. There is something interfering. But I don’t think this “interferon” will be located as another “drug” that only exists in the nervous system of Whites. I don’t feel that the answer will be discovered in some “Mysterious Quality in the Meat”, ie., genetically produced drugs in our White genotypes.

    If that is the case, then where will that “interferon” be located?

    At this stage I’m inclined to believe it is located in a part of the White Mind, a mind which was literally created by our use of languages, and in the unique way those languages presence themselves in White Mind. Our “creativity”, our “individuality”, and our tendency to “universalism” are all aspects of this “White Mind”. While White Mind may have had what Dr. MacDonald calls “Background Traits”, meaning genetic and environmental factors that form a “ground” for its development; the thing itself, White Mind, didn’t come into being until about 2500 years ago, AND it got “amped up” about 500 years ago.

    Those two time-locales are the places where phonetic-alphabetic “writing” as a media overtook sound-based “oral” media; and where the invention of printing using that alphabet overtook manuscript writing and spread the “way of seeing” created by widespread diffusion of “books” into our world, the White World that is.

    You won’t find White Mind before “writing”, because it was created BY an aspect of “writing”. You won’t find it in its current configuration before “printing”, because that mode of mediation was what created “it”.

    These media-technologies, phonetic-alphabetic writing and printing, had a far greater impact in creating White Mind than any genetic “background traits”, even though the latter are not without significance. But it’s very difficult for us to “see” this because most of those reading this, including myself, are still “inside” that mode of “literate knowing”. Just as a goldfish doesn’t “see” the water he floats in, we don’t “see” the modes of mediation we currently use to see.

    Without going further into this, I suggest that this “interferon” which overtakes and negates our “natural” ethnocentrism, by Oxytocin or otherwise, is to be found in the EFFECTS of our very White Mind on our ability to look out for ourselves as a group.

    Any “solution” will involve decoding those aspects of “White Mind” which are the “interferon”, and finding a way to reconfigure that so we don’t fall prey as a group due to that.

    I don’t think making Whites take Oxytocin pills will solve the problem.

    I do think that understanding how Media, in the sense of the media of language (not “the media”) is not just something we use, but something that we are used BY; that language is not merely something we speak, but that SPEAKS US; will be the path that leads us in the right direction.

    I’m very interested in what any others who have “discovered” this perspective on the problem may have to say, especially since this perspective is far outside the conventional “scientific” theme of finding the “magical bullet in the meat”, a way of seeing which is itself an EFFECT of White Mind.

  253. Gregor's Gravatar Gregor
    November 7, 2012 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Which just goes to show ya ….

    Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White.

    You can say it in the language of science, or in any other language, but it’s the same thing.

  254. fender's Gravatar fender
    November 7, 2012 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    Non-White nations never have these stupid “discussions” about “ethnocentrism” and “racism.” The Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Arabs, etc. instinctively know that there’s no reason to allow other races political or numerical power in their countries.

    Whites, however, have been been completely deprived of their natural insticts due to intense conditioning from the jews for half a century now, so they find themselves having to appeal to external factors (science, morality, etc.) to justify opinions that don’t actually need justification.

    The sooner Whites realize that they don’t need to appeal to morality or science or non-Whites to justify their racial existence, the more chance we have for surviving in this hostile non-White world.

  255. Marcus's Gravatar Marcus
    November 7, 2012 - 9:44 am | Permalink

    I think we all know which group’s uniqueness is the real target, I’ve yet to see the “anti-racists” condemn Mexico for its brutal treatment of Central American migrants, including using tear gas on masses of recalcitrant illegals.

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