Feelings and Thoughts on Charlottesville

Robert S. Griffin, Ph.D.


Like everyone—in the world, really—I was riveted by the events in Charlottesville.   What came up for me:

My first reaction was elation and gratitude.  How about this!  White people—organized, and doing it publicly—standing up for their heritage and race, standing up for people like me, standing up for me.  When has this ever happened before?  Nothing comes to mind, and I’ve been around forever — I’m bearing in on eighty.  Thank you.

And they were doing it with such remarkable dedication and courage.  Richard Spencer and the other leaders had to know the physical peril they were putting themselves in; much less assaulted, they could have been shot.  The participants in this endeavor had to know they’d be trashed, not applauded, for doing what they believed in their hearts, and very arguably, was the right thing to do, and that it could even cost them their jobs, their livelihoods.  I was involved in anti-Vietnam War protests and, yes, black civil rights activities in the sixties and had nothing at all to lose doing it.  In fact, it was a good way to improve my social standing, including with women; it picked up my love life.

The Charlottesville protest had special personal meaning to me.  While I grew up in the North, the Griffins are from Georgia and my grandfather fought for the South in the Civil War.   That’s right, my grandfather—not my great-great-great grandfather—was an adult in 1860.  I know enough about my grandfather to be assured that his participation in that war was not in the defense of slavery and oppression.  And I know enough about history to affirm that the same can be said about General Robert E. Lee.  From the images on television over the weekend, what a magnificent statue of Lee it is, and sadly, I didn’t even know it existed, or that it was going to be removed.  Such an injustice and calculated assault on my race and my ancestors, and the protestors brought that to my and others’ attention.

These upbeat feelings, which persist, have gotten mixed up with some sobering thoughts, however. 

With its stridency and far right symbolism and predilection toward violence, even if is in self-defense, the Charlottesville protest was problematic as a media event, and that’s how most people experienced it, as a show, in the same category as “Game of Thrones.”  Just as were George Lincoln Rockwell-led protests in the 1950s and ‘60s (I wrote a book that included a chapter about him), it was a perfect set-up for whites’ adversaries to haul out the tried-and-true smear labels—white supremacist, racist, Nazi—and to dismiss the whole of the white racial movement as beyond the pale and a menace.

The alt-right thrust, this mind-set and presentation, doesn’t play well with the great majority of people, including women, college students, and professionals (where were they in Charlottesville?).  Successful movements—I’m thinking of the black civil rights, anti-Vietnam War, feminist, and gay rights movements—included radical elements, and indeed they contributed to the cause.  They appealed strongly to some people, they inspired many others, and they served an educational function. (Prompted by Charlottesville, I checked out AltRight.com and learned something.)   But, the point, these successful movements weren’t only radical, and fundamentally they weren’t perceived by the mass public as radical or extreme, as far left or far right, or as comprised of a limited demographic (e.g., edgy young men). Rather, these movements had the blessings of our media and academic elites, and they were viewed as centrist, core-American, everybody-included, and that accorded them legitimacy and wide appeal.  The fact of the matter is that no sensible person with status in the world and a reputation to protect and children’s college tuition to pay either now or up the line is going to run the risk of showing his or her face at a “Unite the Right” rally.

I’m left with the conclusion that white activism needs to become more pluralistic, call it that.  Currently, there’s a rich variety of white analysis and advocacy.  The talk is really good (although it could be argued that basically we talk primarily to each other).   But we need more, and different kinds of, white activists, people out there actually doing it, forming organizations, becoming active politically, whatever it is.  We need more white protectors—the only people actually protecting that statue of Robert E. Lee were alt-right types, and good for them.

My take on it is that alt-right people ought to keep doing what they believe in doing, full speed ahead.  And that other racially conscious and committed white people—representing a wide range of ideological and political persuasions (the cause of whites isn’t just a rightist thing) and all personal styles, each in his or her unique, individual way—get active too.  And that they be savvy in how they go about doing it: both figuratively and literally, getting active on the side of whites can be like sticking one’s head out of a foxhole.

And yes, I’m speaking particularly to young people.  These days, I’m barely able to tap out these few words before I take yet another nap.  Someday this will be you, so if you are going to do something—big or small, it all adds up—decide what it is and move on it while you still can.

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157 Comments to "Feelings and Thoughts on Charlottesville"

  1. Crowed Wolf's Gravatar Crowed Wolf
    August 19, 2017 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Look at what’s happening in Spain and Finland. Now paypal is not allowing contributions to VDare. Redice.tv was hacked. This is a well-organized coordinated effort by our (((enemies))). Our (((“media”))) and (((“academic elites”))) are certainly not on our side. They should be viewed with suspicion, or better yet ignored.

    • Paul Thompson's Gravatar Paul Thompson
      August 19, 2017 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

      First do away with all visible things pertaining to history then burn all history books then the Constitution then go after the people that do not go along with your way of thinking. China, Germany, Russia, Iraq AND NOW AMERICA. We have our own ISIS right here and they are protected by law.

      • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
        August 20, 2017 - 11:13 am | Permalink

        I presume you are referring to Germany post WWII. No history books were burned during the NSDAP government era. Books that were burned, by protesters supporting the NSDAP, were what would generally be seen as smut or degenerate literature.

        • Phil's Gravatar Phil
          August 27, 2017 - 4:26 am | Permalink

          “I presume you are referring to Germany post WWII. No history books were burned during the NSDAP government era. Books that were burned, by protesters supporting the NSDAP, were what would generally be seen as smut or degenerate literature.”

          Plus communist propaganda and other (((subversive))) literature.

    • Trenchant's Gravatar Trenchant
      August 19, 2017 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

      I would include Barcelona in the “well-organized coordinated effort by our (((enemies)))” category. The eternal showmen.

    • AnalogMan's Gravatar AnalogMan
      August 19, 2017 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

      And to add to that, government and the police have unequivocally declared for the opposition. We can’t win, playing by their rules. We need a complete rethink on strategy.

      • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
        August 20, 2017 - 3:44 am | Permalink

        AnalogMan – most people do not care. If they cared, more would vote to stop it. Only about half voted for Trump which is shockingly low and disgraceful and indicates that only half want their country to survive at all. But they will care when their house is not worth $500,000 any more and their new neighbours from Chigago and Mexico have just been moved in by the local authorities to make their area ‘more diverse’. Most white people are selfish and not political. Their greed and selfishness means they do not care about their heritage or country being destroyed by the left and their helpers. But that will change when the fruits of socialism and multiracialism finally reach their exclusive neighbourhood. Even the Zuckerburgs will find that one day when they have wrecked every country, that there is no longer a white haven for them to flee to with their billions.

        • royAlbrecht's Gravatar royAlbrecht
          August 20, 2017 - 8:07 am | Permalink

          “…Even the Zuckerburgs [berg] will find that one day when they have wrecked every country, that there is no longer a white haven for them to flee to with their billions.”

          These Jews are essentially Lawless Killers.
          They have no need of hiding because they are the Kings of the Mafia and will kill anyone who stands in their way.

          That’s the difference between WN/S/As and (((them)))…;
          We try to do things within the bounds of ethics and morality (i.e. get permits, non-violently demonstrate, hope for police protection, etc…) and
          (((they))) take the first available window to simply get (((their))) agenda rammed through. (i.e. “…Quantitatively Thieve…” [print] more inflated money, hire a mob of ordinary thugs through Craigslist and strategically insert a handful of trained Mossad Assassins who are tasked with committing car crash murders or remotely detonated bombs thereby destroy all that it took Us decades to cultivate.

          White activists are going to have to come prepared with concealed carry permits and the iron that that allows, adequate protective gear, and non-lethal weapons (signage affixed to the ends of spears, battons and atop of shields, trained, Roman style, Defense and Attack Corps to repel and neutralize the rabble and sadly…,
          something to teach the treasonous Cops, who do nothing but passively urge the (((leftist))) mobs,
          that they too will be made to pay a heavy price unless they start to disobey their Corrupt Masters’ orders and do what the law commands of them.

          The Jew is unfortunately leading/goading Us toward civil war…,
          yet pacifism guarantees our defeat.
          So by counter-attacking at least they too will feel their fair share of pain along the way to Our extinction.

          But above all…, IMO…, Jews should be Our Primary Targets since they are the Primary Movers of this War.

          • David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
            August 20, 2017 - 1:02 pm | Permalink

            The wise rebel does not reveal his ideas to the legislators or propagandists of the enemy authority.

        • John Walton's Gravatar John Walton
          August 25, 2017 - 9:36 am | Permalink

          Trump won the white male vote 63-31. He won the white vote and the white college-educated vote. Despite the successes of feminism it’s obvious that men still have more power than women, especially when things get nasty. It’s important to remember that Antifa makes good headlines but does not represent the views of average people. Of course, whites have been conditioned to keep silent on racial topics, because the liberal elite is willing to punish those who stand up to it. But it’s good that some people are standing up anyway. As for the unattractiveness of public white advocacy to the general public, you could have said the same about the New Left. I too went to some of those 1960s demonstrations and the Vietcong flags were flying. There were young women wearing hard hats and wielding clubs (Noo yawkers, to judge from their singing voices.) They weakened taboos against Communism by breaking them. That is the only way you remove a taboo – by breaking it publicly.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 25, 2017 - 1:07 pm | Permalink

            … Noo yawkers, to judge from their singing voices …

            Herewith a marginal qualification but not, I think, an irrelevant one from someone (moi-même) who was of age and on the scene in New York at the time of those demonstrations. The accents of those singing voices you heard were not the native woodnotes wild of lower, middle, or upper class Gentile New Yorkers; they were Jewish accents by and large.

            I am not, of course, saying that many of my fellow non-Jews of military-liability age did not either oppose the war or take what steps were available to forestall being compelled (i.e., drafted) to join in waging it. It’s just that a very healthy percentage of such people (I among them) found the “resisters” too intolerable to stand with and their frequently degenerate demonstrations several removes too repellent to participate in. Sadly, in retrospect, they and I still labored under the delusion that the USA was our country, not (((theirs))). In this delusion, alas, we were far from alone.

    • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
      August 20, 2017 - 3:35 am | Permalink

      Crowed Wolf – Robert Spencer recently made a youtube video (linked from his twitter account) about how the left are de-platforming and de-monetising his websites and similar. Teresa May could not wait to get banning after one disturbed white man drove the van into the crowd (Stormfront today, this site tomorrow – see already how the MSM newspapers are being very careful never to upset the left), meanwhile her type (Theresa May) are happy to allow the left to carry on freely as normal. So, ban the right but not the left is the plan. Paul Joseph Watson made a video recently about how Youtube are increasingly trying to censor his videos. The only thing holding them back is fear of a rival that does not want to run the site ‘1984 style’ that might threaten their monopoly

      Paypal, Google, etc, they all end up being taken over by those with no principles who are either far-left themselves and despise walls and guns and capitalism whilst being billionaires living in gated communities with armed guards, or who are not far-left personally, but are so obsessed with money and ruthlessness, that they have no room left in their brains for any other thoughts, and are therefore happy to bow down to the pressure from the far-left, and, due to not having any principles, they feel no qualms about letting the left take over their companies. They personally will always be able to go anywhere in the globe so they do not have the attitude that kings in ancient kingdoms had – in ancient times the elite would go down with the country if the country was conquered, as the elite was rooted in the land, as the land made their wealth. Now the elite have no fixed association with the land – their money is not the land, it is in bank accounts so they can easily transfer it and flee from any place they ruin. So elites these days have no forced loyalty to their lands as previous elites did.

      Perhaps the same is happening in S.Africa with the wealthy white elite who own the wealth being happy to continue to bow down to the black racists as they know they personally can just fly off in their jets when it all kicks off, and they will not have to personally suffer at all.

      Although I ‘support capitalism’ and do not subscribe to the left I am beginning to want to say to these billionaires – ‘okay we concede you are right about capitalism being evil and therefore we will have to tax your money away. You want socialism, so we will apply it to you. You can keep a million dollars, but you have to live ‘among the people’ in Chicago or somewhere where the people you support live. And – no guns for you, nor walls around your house. You have to apply what you want for others to yourselves. Enjoy living with your new neigbours’.

    • David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
      August 20, 2017 - 1:21 pm | Permalink

      @ Crowed Wolf

      • David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
        August 20, 2017 - 1:35 pm | Permalink

        My computer slipped up as I was typing.

        Here is just one example of the current cdenial of freedom of communication to Englishmen. If I wish to buy books by (say) Carlo Mattogno on “The Holocaust” for academic evaluation, I cannot obtain them from Amazon which bans them, and I don’t how long PDF versions will be available from a Google search. If I wish to order any such publications directly from “Barnes Review”, I can no longer do so through PayPal or Barclaycard, but can acquire them only by International Money Order. To obtain an IMO from a UK Post Office now requires (1) official registration of personal details, (2) supply of an up-to-date passport or driving license, (3) purchase of a permit, and (4) a surcharge on the transaction.

        • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
          August 22, 2017 - 3:09 pm | Permalink

          David, here in Canada I can purchase a money order in any major currency from my major bank branch: for free yet, being over 65.

    • ann fitzgerald's Gravatar ann fitzgerald
      August 21, 2017 - 9:03 pm | Permalink

      how about deported to the Homeland?

    • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
      August 22, 2017 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

      Serious question: why is cancellation of Paypal considered such a disaster? Are we all so decrepit, so lazy, so pampered, that writing a check and sticking it in the mail is many people’s idea of a calamity? VDare has a PO box, so maybe they should play that up instead of acting like someone exploded a dirty bomb in their office **** Paypal. All prowhite orgs. really ought to cancel their Paypal now instead of waiting with bated breath for the ax to fall. Also as a form of protest.

      Those persons who don’t want their spending tracked can put cash in an envelope. You must all know that whether it’s check or Paypal, various parties know who you are supporting. I send cash thru the mail, I really do. It’s always received.

  2. anarchyst's Gravatar anarchyst
    August 19, 2017 - 2:44 pm | Permalink

    The Charlottesville situation was precipitated by the left-wing agitators that were “bought and paid for” by those on the left. A jewish-owned company, “Crowds On

    Demand” was contracted by the leftists to both cause trouble as leftists, AND to regale some of their paid protestors with Nazi and KKK regalia in order to

    demonize the “alt-right” demonstrators. Notice that the Klan robes and Nazi flags were new and still had creases in them from being recently unpackaged.
    To add insult to injury, the head of the “alt-right” demonstration was himself an 0’bama operative. THIS, in itself, PROVES that this whole event was a set-up by

    the left.
    This whole Charlottesville operation was a set-up from the word “go”. Its goal was to demonize EVERY WHITE person in the country, President Trump, included. Of

    course, the so-called “mainstream media” could not let “a crisis go to waste”, and almost to a man, blamed the violence on whites–FOX news included.
    This disturbance needs to be carefully evaluated the the blame put on those who were the perpetrators of these violent acts.
    As to the driver of the car that ran over that poor woman, he was scared for his life. Watch the videos of the black protester hit the back of his car with a

    sledgehammer. The driver only accelerated after being attacked. Initial police reports have said as much. Of course, the driver will probably be charged, and

    offered up as a “sacrificial lamb” to satisfy the left.

    • August 19, 2017 - 7:58 pm | Permalink

      “As to the driver of the car that ran over that poor woman, he was scared for his life.”

      The driver of the car (Fields) did not “run over the woman” who was killed. His car rammed into the back of another car, which then hit the car in front of it, which hit the woman who was killed. So Fields did not come directly in contact with Heyer, and would not even have seen her or known she was there when he backed away at high speed.

      • Luke's Gravatar Luke
        August 20, 2017 - 3:17 am | Permalink

        Thanks for that clarification. It is the first time I’ve heard this account.

        I have seen one video where the Dodge is cruising down the narrow street – arguably moving too fast for the conditions – and some antifa guy on the drivers side of the car, steps off the sidewalk and whacks the left rear side of the Dodge with what appears to be a baseball bat. It seemed as if that “whack” might have startled the driver into stomping on the accelerator, which was pretty stupid and reckless – due to his clear view of a string of cars in front of him who were mowing slowly down the street.

        He then plows into the back of the nearest car in front of him, which causes the chain reaction that Carolyn is describing. Seconds later, out of almost nowhere – appear half a dozen or so black clad antifa thugs and they rush to the back of the Dodge and start climbing up on the trunk and bashing out his rear windows. It seems unlikely at this point that any of those antifa bat wielding thugs could have known that the Heyer woman had been killed, since she was two or more cars down the street from where they emerged on the scene.

        The driver of the Dodge, realizing that the thugs with bats were going to bash out his windows and drag him out of his car and probably beat him to death, shifted into reverse and hit the gas to speed, backwards, out of the reach of the antifa thugs.

        This maneuver succeeded in flinging off the antifa thugs who had been climbing onto his car trunk. So, if Carolyn’s account is correct, he wasn’t really fleeing the scene of an accident that involved human injury. He wasn’t even aware that Heyer had been injured; he was fleeing for his life and probably didn’t find out about the death until later.

        This doesn’t excuse him for his reckless driving, but it does put a much less sinister label on the event than the media is trying to paint.

        My biggest question is why did this guy park his car anywhere near the area where all this chaos was bound to occur? Assuming he was a Nazi, like the media is claiming, was he so dumb and ill informed about the default behavior patterns of these antifa leftists that he didn’t think they would try to damage or destroy his car, if they saw him drive up in it?
        ———
        (Mod. Note: “Luke”, while I’m approving this comment, I’ll take the opportunity to point out some anti-White slurring terminology in the comment: “Assuming he was a Nazi, like the media is claiming…”. Please note that pinning the term “Nazi” on someone you probably know nothing about doesn’t help the pro-White cause. “Nazi” is an anti-White propaganda term, a slur, and not an accurate description. It’s usually used by enemies of white European Americans, not by our friends.)

        • royAlbrecht's Gravatar royAlbrecht
          August 20, 2017 - 8:28 am | Permalink

          Except in my case…, whose parents were Germans born in 1930 Germany and
          who was strongly influenced by German Grandparents (G-mother born in 1898, G-father in 1892).

          To me the term “Nazi” is simply,
          as told to me by countless friends and relatives of the above, an abbreviation of the acronym; N.S.D.A.P.

          As such I consider myself a proud “Nazi”…, to be differentiated from beer swilling, Black hating, tattooed, idiot, Hollywood defined; “Neo-Nazi”.

          • ilene's Gravatar ilene
            August 20, 2017 - 11:54 am | Permalink

            And btw, Moderator, I understand you won’t be able to publish my comment below, because I referenced “nazism”. That’s ok, but I do hope that maybe some of these issues can be addressed in the future on your site.
            —-
            (Mod. Note: “Ilene”, there’s already a lot of discussion on your question in comments. Study them. May I suggest checking out a very recent podcast which *may* answer some of your questions? Here: http://therealistreport.com/the-realist-report-brad-trun-2/ )

          • David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
            August 20, 2017 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

            The use of the word “Nazi” in the MSM has almost nothing to do with the merits or mistakes of National Socialism in prewar Germany. Like the Indo-European Swastika symbol, it is now used as a Pavlovian trigger-mechanism to evoke e.g. corpses at Belsen. Likewise, the KKK evokes images of Negroes being mutilated or lynched. In other words, white nationalism or the so-called “far” right is thereby equated in the public mind with mass-murder, torture and tyranny.

            That is why attempts to protect the heritage of heroes and achievers, including General Lee, should not be accompanied by Nazi or Klan symbols. Debates about the true history of these organizations belong to another time or place.

        • ilene's Gravatar ilene
          August 20, 2017 - 11:50 am | Permalink

          To moderator: I really wish your website would clarify your position on other groups, like Andrew Anglin’s group and Spencer. Anglin comes out openly in favor of “Neo-Nazism”, so do you think he is a propagandist? I don’t understand how you hope to gain and spread your movement with only half the equation, Or if you support such people as Anglin? I don’t see where Anglin has done anything useful for white people, except cause more division.
          Of course there are women, such as Ann Coulter, who represents a lot more women than many on the right give them credit for. She’s one of the few that actually speaks her mind, using great arguments and logic. I don’t see that with some of the young women that get waved around a lot, such as Lana of redice, who has said rather horrible things about other women and seems to just regurgitate what the men want to hear. At least Ann doesn’t do that, but she still remains a great right wing female icon.
          I understand all the complaints men have against women.
          But where is the positive? How will your movement proliferate and resonate with more people, than just white men? Will things remain in a polarized void, where society seems stuck?
          As Islamic extremists continue to terrorize Europe, the European people are obviously waking up to what is being done to their nations. And just when more people begin to speak out, lo-and-behold another Neo-nazi group starts it up in Germany. So, do you think they are propagandists? They certainly seem to be more useful for the Left.
          I’m just trying to understand all of this and where it is all going, if anywhere. I’m seeing our nation as being almost in Check-mate. The Jewish Power Structure has played their game very patiently over these last 50 years (seems it was after Kennedy’s assassination, under Johnson regime, when they began taking hold), but people like Anglin put a huge road block in the road for anyone to break through.

        • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
          August 20, 2017 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

          Carolyn and Luke, both of you, and many other skeptics are entirely correct, after the filmed facts are scrutinized.

          No one has a right to second-guess the driver’s frame of mind at that particular moment, unless they have been in the same predicament; perceiving their imminent death.

          Between ’69 and ’76 I took thousands of NRTA-AARP members, then joined at the hip for their travel program, to eighty countries; repeatedly.

          Not for the first time, a Marine, guarding the US Naval Base, Subic Bay in the Philippines, had fatally shot a trespasser. ” Oh ! I’m sorry, I thought it was a ‘wild pig’ ! ” was his unfortunate explanation to the press.

          All hell broke loose after initial radio announcements and their violent reaction centered on their magnificent, mainly foreign-tourist visited Straw Market.

          I quickly herded my members into our bus and returned to the Manila Hilton. Its street-facing TWA huge window, designed to withstand the frequent typhoons, already had a huge, gun-fired projectile hole in it, with the projectile lodged in the marble wall behind its counter.

          Having earlier considered buying some of the artful, entirely non-kitsch mother-of-pearl items for my mother’s stores in Toronto, I returned to the Market by taxi.

          After twenty minutes I noticed four or five fellows shadowing me. I sauntered to the side of the Market adjacent to the street, then, post haste jumped into a taxi, which took off immediately. However, it stopped behind five other cars, waiting for the light to change. This gave my pursuers a chance to catch up, having doubled in numbers.

          Cudgels, stones and not immaterial epithets were aimed at my taxi, and attempts to open its doors were made.

          It was more than one or two-Mississippi before the light changed: I had visions of being dragged behind a biker all the way to the Hilton.

          I can empathize with the driver at UVA and of course mourn the death of that innocent young woman.

          [ We had a show and dinner planned for the same evening at a major Casino in Makati, some miles distant and only accessible through miles of crime-ridden slums, perilous without the added anti US furor. To go or not to go ?

          I got a Manila map to study the route. We went. Only seconds before we reached an alternate, parallel road thoroughfare, did I instruct the driver to use it, rather than his usual one. After we disembarked, welcomed by a .45-toting doorman, I told and programmed the driver that we would return the same way. Upon our trip back to the Hilton, he was confused when I told him, in fact, to return via his regular route. Of course, having been possibly foiled the first time, ‘they’ would anticipate our alternate route again. This was before the popularization of cell phones. Off to Osaka ].

        • ilena's Gravatar ilena
          August 20, 2017 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

          thx. Listening now. I use the spelling Ilena, must have entered it incorrectly and did not notice.

  3. Gilbert Huntly's Gravatar Gilbert Huntly
    August 19, 2017 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    (((They))) are almost pushing too fast for us to be anything other than reactionary. Just yesterday, Virginia Military Institute was on lockdown because some group had threatened destruction of the statue of Stonewall Jackson. Next door is Washington & Lee University. Last year, the Confederate flags came down, there. When will they take down the statues of General Washington and General Lee??? All over the country, this is happening. Too much “reaction” is bound to hit a wall!

  4. August 19, 2017 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

    I think that Dr. Griffin’s recollection of how anti-war and pro-“Civil Rights” demonstrations were perceived is a bit rosy. It was not unusual to see a Viet Cong flag at such events. But TV news helped them with favorable coverage, and that makes a lot of difference. Even today, big news-media will conceal the fact that overt Communists played a major and overt role in some demonstration. They simply don’t report that part of it. I have seen this myself.

    Eventually our people will need to get over their conditioned reactions to the swastika and everything connected to it. That conditioned aversion limits what we can do to preserve our race. Example: you can’t limit non-White immigration because that’s what Hitler would do. Consequently, to me, the concern about displaying swastika banners etc. is not whether it’s good or bad, but whether it’s too much too soon, and whether it distracts attention from the necessary things that we say. Personally I don’t ever use such symbols, but that’s because I am trying to communicate with words.

    In other words, I don’t think that those symbols are inherently bad. There used to be much less aversion to such symbols a few decades ago. Check out some old b-films that romanticize motorcycle gangs and you’ll see what I mean. I am sure that we can get back to that level of comfort with a little persistence. But at present I still would not use them if I am saying something important and want to be both heard and taken seriously.

    • Carl Green's Gravatar Carl Green
      August 19, 2017 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

      Very well put, Hadding Scott.

      Responding to the article, though, it’s incredibly difficult to be optimistic at this time about any legitimacy being given to any pro-White voice, however measured and divergent in point of view. I’ve heard corporate/ state media referring to today’s (Sat. 8/19) Free Speech Rally in Boston as a ” mostly peaceful protest against Hate Speech” — completely ignoring the fact that some had gathered to speak and were assaulted verbally with “F*ck your free speech” by a rioting horde of SJW’s; 27 or so of whom I’ve read were arrested. THOSE are the voices being handed the seal of moral authority. Unbelievable.

    • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
      August 20, 2017 - 4:06 am | Permalink

      Hadding Scott: “Eventually our people will need to get over their conditioned reactions”
      You cannot hope to change people’s views until sufficient time has passed form a War in which the people connected to the war (and their children who are now in their 50s) have TOTALLY COMMITTED themselves to the virtue of their War. They will not go anywhere near anything that detracts from portraying themselves as totally virtuous and from believing that the sacrifice of their young men was for a good cause. They do not want to hear anything that detracts from the notion that they were good fighting evil – not even the fact that they were on the side of Stalin and helped spread communism – not even this will shift them from keenly wanting to believe that they were totally on the side of virtue. There is no point trying to change their views. They were right, the enemy was total evil, full stop, end of story. You cannot recondition such thinking.

      See how WWI has been totally reviewed now that several generations have passed. It is no longer seen as ‘glorious’. Try saying that in 1920! You can freely say it today. The same process will apply to WWII, but no chance until the participants’ children (now aged 50 – 60 as I include children in 1945 as participants in the sense that they fully absorbed their own participating parents’ belief in the War) have died off. Imagine what a couple of generations from now will think when they observe the mess of globalism that this current generation of Merkel/Obama/May/Macron voters gave them! They will not be happy at all. I do not think their priorities will be to see how more saintly they can make Saint Mandela, or how much more evil they can portray the Crusaders, which seems to be the priority of this generation of traitors and billionaires.

      • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
        August 20, 2017 - 10:29 am | Permalink

        … [World War I] has been totally reviewed now that several generations have passed. It is no longer seen as “glorious”. Try saying that in 1920! You can freely say it today.

        This statement can’t withstand close examination. The needlessness, futility, and pointless destruction of the war were openly asserted all through the 1920s. The elder Henry Cabot Lodge, the senator who led the charge to prevent any US participation in Wilson’s atrocious League of Nations, got his way in no small part because millions already agreed with him in 1919. The then-still enormously influential Boston Brahmin community of which the Cabots and Lodges were part—along with the Adamses, the Eliots, the Morisons, et al.—was virtually to a man of the same opinion and not slow to speak its mind.

        As for Europe, the profoundly pessimistic and now famously accurate comment made in 1914 by the British Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey, “The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time,” became a matter of public knowledge in 1925. In Britain and elsewhere it was not greeted with derision or even much in the way of controversy; rather the contrary. I myself first heard Grey’s words repeated to me with approval before I entered high school (in 1958), whether first by my father or by one of my grammar school teachers I no longer recall.

        The point is that, whatever the cause, the timeline describing the “respectability” of a strongly disapproving stand with regard to World War I bears essentially no relation to the corresponding timeline for World War II. Indeed, here in the States, the pro-Lindbergh, pro-“America First” position was far more widely voiced (i.e., voiced without fear of reprisal) in the mid-sixties (my college years) than it came to be twenty years later. Nowadays, with the set-in-concrete status of the so-called Holocaust as history’s central event, World War II has become something whose variously asserted causes, actual conduct, and “necessity” one may publicly disparage only at significant risk to one’s livelihood and social standing.

        • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
          August 21, 2017 - 7:02 am | Permalink

          Pierre,
          I am horrified that you refer to the Holocaust™ as “the so-called Holocaust”.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 2:05 pm | Permalink

            Send me an invoice for the appropriate copyright transgression fee, my friend, and I’ll remit payment promptly. I just opened a checking account at the New York branch of ShoahBank, and I chose the checks with Elie Wiesel™©® watermark. Way cool!*
            _________
            *WHIMSICALITY ALERT!

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 2:10 pm | Permalink

            Dear Curmudgeon,

            On a less whimsical note, would you care to add anything about Canadian critical reappraisal, if any, of the First World War? Specifically, did it parallel the situation here in the States and in Europe, or did it differ?

          • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
            August 21, 2017 - 8:09 pm | Permalink

            No expert I, but if memory serves me correctly, Canada was not entirely independent from the UK at the time. The population was about 98% White, and overwhelmingly of UK stock. Many volunteered to fight for “the homeland”.
            One grandfather was in the medical corps working at one of the hospitals where the most horrifically injured were sent. Little more than a year after his return, he was in the looney bin for about 6 months, leaving my grandmother with 5 kids to care for. No one in the family had anything good to say about the war. For that matter, a friend’s English grandfather, who had survived a gas attack, had nothing good to say about it either.
            Interestingly, there was a General Strike in my city in 1919. There were many returning from war who found that their jobs had been lost to “new Canadians” mostly from Eastern Europe. The Government thought a new Bolshevik revolution was imminent and used some of the returning troops to crush the strike.
            As for WWII, my father and four uncles served. None had a bad thing to say about Germans. As for the Holocaust™ any discussion about the narrative was met with “believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear”, which included newspapers. By the time Anne Frank made it to TV, I was already wise to the ways of the “idiot box”.

        • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
          August 22, 2017 - 6:39 am | Permalink

          Pierre,
          I realize I didn’t answer you specifics directly. It was late.
          I believe the re-appraisals have always been at least 3 levels: those who participated; those living closer to the time; and the political level. The political level is not restricted to politicians.
          While the odious Section 13 (“hate speech”) of our Human Rights Act has been officially repealed, in practice, it has not. Any deviation from the official narrative that, in any way, shape, or form, directly or indirectly, draw attention to the tribe in anything but glowing terms, is considered Auntie Shemi-tic.
          Arthur Topham, an aging/aged hippie with a Jewish wife felt the full wrath of the tribe for his parody of “Germany Must Die”. The sheer hypocrisy of the the situation was not lost on anyone paying attention. His conviction, on 2 of the 3 charges, came even with Gilad Aztmon testifying on his behalf.
          Serious works such as those by James Bacque, are quickly denounced by their own universities as being “flawed”. The “flaw”, of course is that it hints that Germans may have suffered, which could diminish tribal suffering.
          Revisionism at the other levels, from what I detect, is more fluid. Some will be offended by new information, others welcome it. Both levels, if publicly critical, will be denounced.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 22, 2017 - 11:09 am | Permalink

            Thanks very much, Curmudgeon. Although I was an infantry medic when I was in the army, whilst in Vietnam I was fortunate enough not to get posted to the kind of facility where I had to witness what your grandfather did. I pity the guys who weren’t so lucky.

            Apropos James Bacque, I always now think of the response of the great Stephen Ambrose* to Bacque’s books effectively calling out Ike for his unspeakable abuse of German POWs—viz., that Bacque was a knave and a falsifier and Ambrose himself was writing a book demonstrating Bacque’s villainy. Somehow or other, in the decade of life remaining to him, Steve never got round to writing even a page of the book demolishing Bacque. Inquiring minds wonder why.

            And apropos Ambrose as a pillar of private and historical integrity, there is this.
            ____________________
            *SARCASM ALERT!

          • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
            August 23, 2017 - 7:27 am | Permalink

            When my cousin got his lottery ticket, he went straight down to enlist in the medical corps, thinking that if he did end up being sent to Vietnam, it would not be on the front lines. He had enough horror stories, as I’m sure you do.

          • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
            August 23, 2017 - 7:03 pm | Permalink

            Pierre and Curmudgeon : for what it’s worth. Canadian troop buildup in Europe was boat-load by boat-load. Later, Newfoundland, as an English territory until 1949, joined the Confederation as well. French Canadians, not enamored of the Empire went grudgingly with their francophone 22nd Regiment, the ” vingt- deux ” or popularly phonetically the ” Vandoos “.

            ” Bringing the boys home ” , boat-load by boat-load took forever, given their overwhelming numbers.

            The Bolsheviks made good use of this enforced idle waiting time and heavily propagandized the lower ranks in particular.
            In fact to such a degree, that Ottawa reacted by establishing the Canadian Legion as social watering places, inundated by government spies. Particularly in Montreal, Toronto and Winnipeg.

            I have a ca. 23 pp. paper by the government of the time, analyzing the problem and giving said resolution.

            I found it at the National Archives in Ottawa while researching their fascinating dossier on their arrest of Trotsky, family and company by Captain Machin, R.N., at the convoy port of Halifax, under British Rule, on April 3, 1917.

            En route NYC-Norway, aboard the SS Christianafjord [ Oslo’s former name], shadowed by five British Secret Service agents.
            With purportedly $ 10,000 of Schiff’s money in his pockets, earned for his rip-roaring, overflow crowds speeches at Madison Square Gardens, disclosing his intentions.

            He was loosed onto that poor nation, after his merely twenty day internment at the German POW camp at Amherst, Nova Scotia, after all the useful idiots, led by Kerensky, had initiated the rot.

            The City of London [financial center] had approached the British Government, in need of war credits, which inveighed with the Foreign Office, which pressured NY and the BR. Embassy in Washington, to direct the vassal state Canada, to let him re-embark on April 23. We know the rest only too well. And of course their slightly varying but always successful MO.

            I cherish copies of his personal two pages in which he registered himself into Amherst jail in his own handwriting, but not as much as the memory of having sat in his very own kitchen chair, on which, in his compound on Vienna Street in Mexico City, Stalin’s agent drove a pick-axe into the back of his skull.

      • August 20, 2017 - 11:29 am | Permalink

        70 years is not long enough?

        The First World War was being revised only 10 years after the fact. That was when Harry Elmer Barnes and others started saying that German war-guilt was a myth and that the anti-German propaganda of the First World War was false.

        There used to be comedy-shows about WWII, and also movies that portrayed the Germans in WWII as essentially no worse than the Allies. Check out Kelly’s Heroes (1970) sometime. That movie’s attitude toward WWII is entirely cynical.

        It is only since the end of the Cold War that WWII has been made into a great holy event.

        • Stephan Williams's Gravatar Stephan Williams
          August 21, 2017 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

          Hogan’s Heroes. ;-)

          • Tony Clifton's Gravatar Tony Clifton
            August 28, 2017 - 6:39 pm | Permalink

            Brandon Thalberg’s Heil Honey, I’m Home wins the “Oscar.”

      • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
        August 21, 2017 - 2:48 am | Permalink

        Thank you to the historians for the corrections. I like Hadding Scott’s phrase “great holy event.” I suppose this narrative suits both the Left and the Jews, as it enables them to label anyone who disagrees with these groups as a Nazi. To demonstrate the power of this word, Jon Gaunt was sacked from Talk Radio for saying that a local authority person who wanted to ban smokers from being allowed to foster children was a Nazi. Furthermore, the Daily Mail did not even allow comments, presumably as it was just too mighty a word for their censors to cope with and one reader might have mentioned the word without condemntation, and other readers might have upvoted that comment. Too risky.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1087349/Jon-Gaunt-sacked-TalkSport-branding-Tory-councillor-Nazi-ignorant-pig.html

    • royAlbbrecht's Gravatar royAlbbrecht
      August 20, 2017 - 10:59 am | Permalink

      I kind of agree…

      I rarely refer to these terms and symbols because they are of secondary importance taking a back seat H_______t lie of the Jews’ Revisionist themes.

      For example, I have a friend who is a Senior History and Poli-Sci student at the Nat. Uni. of Iceland and who defends Nat. Socialism and submits essays with hefty reliance on David Irving’s work…,
      to the consternation of some of his professors but with full support of the department head…, if only based on his methodology and sourcing…, and irrespective of the “feelings” of his teachers.

      He has had numerous battles with his professors, who try to degrade his usual “A” papers and exams to “Bs” only to have to appeal to the department head and subsequently see his professor back off from their politically leftist ideological bias and give him the “As” he rightfully deserves.

      He openly identifies as a National Socialist.

      But this is Iceland…, the land that rescued Bobby Fischer and has enshrined free speech protection into law…, also to the chagrin of the Jews here.

      These are issues that even neurologically damaged individuals with relatively low IQs are able to grasp here in Iceland.
      And this has shown me that one need not be a genius to grasp common sense concepts.

      IMO, by underestimating the cognitive reasoning capabilities of the (((captive audience))), you merely slow down the healing process and help guarantee Our own extinction.

      IMO, the sooner the Jew-induced captives get over their initial horror to the Jew hi-jacked once considered wholesome terms of the past…, the quicker our army will grow.

      • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
        August 21, 2017 - 3:16 am | Permalink

        RoyAlbbrecht – It seems the Icelandic authorities and MSM are just the same as everywhere else. This is how they reacted when Robert Spencer was poisoned:

        https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/icelandic-leftist-poisons-robert-spencer
        “Not a single Icelandic media outlet that ran a story about my coming or about the event itself contacted me for comment, much less for rebuttal to the charges they made against me. One TV station did air an interview with me in which the interviewer refused to believe that I did not feel responsible for the Breivik murders, and asked me about them again and again.
        After the event, articles in the Icelandic press included quotes from the 50 protesters, but none included even a single quotation or description of anything we had actually said. None quoted any of the 500 brave Icelanders who braved the hatred of the politically correct elites to come to the Grand Hotel to hear me and Ms. Williams – a staggeringly large number in a country of 300,000 people.
        It’s clear: jihad and Islamization are not subjects that Icelandic politicians and media opinion-makers want Icelanders to discuss.”

        And https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/robert-spencer-files-ethics-complaint-against-hjalti-mar-bjornsson-leftist-icelandic-doctor-who-treated-him-for-poisoning

        : “Spencer’s charge to the Ethics Committee, which states that he believes that Hjalti Már did not provide him with the correct information when he sought medical treatment at the emergency room. Spencer also believes that political motivations might explain the doctors conduct.”

        I do not see any hope for the West until a significant number of the people realise that the MSM and the left and the authorities are their enemy and are working against them. Perhaps they will not realise this until their economies collapse and their house is taken off them and given to someone ‘more deserving’ from the third world. Robert Spencer is banned from entering Britain, yet we have hundreds of muslims who returned to Britain after fighting for ISIS. And still the people do not care enough to stop voting for these politicians who want to ban Spencer.

      • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
        August 21, 2017 - 7:08 am | Permalink

        Roy,
        Are there 100 Jews in Iceland yet? I know they are dangerous, even if there were only 2, but they haven’t reached a critical mass yet. The Icelanders I know, and knew, are/were wary of them. A common phrase was ‘I like to study them”.

        • RoyAlbrecht's Gravatar RoyAlbrecht
          August 21, 2017 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

          Who can say how many Jews there are in Iceland, but my Jewish “…sixth sense…” [I know…, not very scientific] tells me that (((they))) control the country.

          Morgunblaðið, one of the countries leading daily publications, has a tell tale sign emblazoned on the wall of the main entrance.
          In bold black Gothic lettering one can read, “…Morgunblaðið New York Times…” side by side.
          I suspect the printing presses.., colossal and remarkably advanced for a nation with only 320,000 people…, are somehow licensed through Jews in NY.

          Both the above and the other major daily news paper, “Frettablaðið”, gets most of their international stories through Rothschild proxy owned press agencies such as Reuters and AP.

          Hollywood gossip, Jew owned sports franchise goings on, “International News” (environment, pooor Syrians, bad Russians, loving Black fathers married to exemplary Icelandic mothers, evil Neo-Nazis, Transgendered role models, multi-coloured and perpetually “…happy, happy, happy…” cartoon figures like Dooly Pops(sp?)…, you know…, the usual Retard’s Diet) are staple toxins distributed through both papers on a daily basis.

          TV networks are no less mentally defective.
          Euro Vision with male singers who resemble and sound more like women, soap dramas from the Jew.K. and Hollywood, a repeat of the Rothschild News Network…, insufferable stuff.

          Other lesser publications that run under different names are either owned by one of the above major papers or rely on their printing presses and delivery networks to print and distribute them.

          I have inside information that a now Bankrupt Rag that ran stories mostly about “glorious retards”, was threatened with a refusal to print their publication if it did not stop writing detrimental, but largely truthful stories about people that were friendly with one of the owners of the two publications mentioned above.

          As I am more or less alone here and with next to no hope of EVER forming any really…, what I would term…, close friendships, I routinely confront Icelandic strangers that I randomly bump into with the truth about the International Jewish Mafia.
          I have come to disregard being cautions about what I say and to whom I say things because…, in all truth…, I really am sick of both being alone in life and as a consequence continuing on living.
          I can tell you from first hand experience…, most Icelanders are deathly afraid of even hearing discussions that revolve around Jewish Power, Freemasons and Race based collusion…, let alone being seen with a guy who represents the opposite of everything that the mass media has made de rigueur here.

          Moreover, the money here, the Icelandic Krona, is produced using the same manufacturing technology and materials…, in short…, it has the same “..look and feel…” as notes printed in countries where we already know that Rothschilds’ control the central banks to say nothing of the Chairman of the Bank itself. Same sh!t different pile.

          When the U.S. says “…jump…”, the Icelanders in power usually ask, “…how high?”.
          A prime example of this is the Sanctions applied by the USA against the Putin Regime.
          Iceland obeys these sanctions to the determent of it’s largest economic sector…, the fishing industry.

          I have already taken a close look at the tenants (owners?) in the largest, most impressive buildings on the major businesses boulevards of the capital city.

          Bloomberg News, Goldman Sachs, NYSE, Alcoa, Alcan, Century Aluminum headquartered in Chicago, and Microsoft figure prominently.
          Moreover, I strongly suspect that Icelandic Freemasons or Crypto-Jews control most of the major retail outlets, large hotel chains, petrol dealers, shipping lines and most probably the fishing industry as well because they ALL support the usual anti-White agenda (BLTGQ-Retard breeding and multiplication-subsidization-industry, Leftist Academics, Coercion Based Inverted Logic, Race mixing, Third World Invasion Insanity, etc…) through their subliminally directed advertising and overall business models.

          Wow Air, the discount carrier, has just announced the beginning of regular flights to Tel Aviv and the number of Jews that are coming here as “…Tourists..” is becoming conspicuous.

          It is saddening.
          It has prompted me to respond to the numerous indignant accusations…,
          regarding my piteously poor Icelandic language abilities…, that “I…, do not care…, about learning Icelandic.” and that, “…I have decided, after reading about the number of people dedicated to “…saving the millions of poor and homeless from war torn African nations…” by skipping the Icelandic language altogether and going straight ahead to study the Arabic language.

          This prompts Icelanders to cringe and tell me confidentially that,
          “…the people do not want these North Africans here, but what can they do?”

          In all honest however, I simply suffer from language learning burn out.
          From German, to English to French, Spanish, Korean, Japanese, then remnants of Hindu-Urdu, Chinese, smatterings of Portuguese and Nederlands from the various colonies and Holland, then back to French for round two, and now Icelandic with doses of Norwegian and Danish thrown in…
          No Cyrillic languages aside from rudimentary alphabet studies, of Greek and Russian.

          Now they expect me to enthusiastically learn Icelandic but I do not have a single close Icelandic friend!!
          Moreover, Icelanders all want to practice one of the above languages with me and linguistically force me into lapsing into the “…easy way out…”.
          Off topic I know…, but it kind of goes with the territory.
          The Icelanders I know are notoriously unreliable, somewhat materially obsessed and superficial in that they are obsessed with sports or consumption.
          The fact that I do not have a country I can call my own, a people that I can return to without the expectation of a lengthy jail term awaiting me for writing about Filthy Rotten Jews, and being surrounded by superficial pleasure seekers who largely do not respect much of what I say is of no concern to them…,
          not a very motivational setting to learn their language.
          Yes, I know, I have some things to be thankful for…, but what good is the amassing of money if one does not have anyone to share the fruit with?

          • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
            August 21, 2017 - 7:44 pm | Permalink

            “Now they expect me to enthusiastically learn Icelandic but I do not have a single close Icelandic friend!!
            Moreover, Icelanders all want to practice one of the above languages with me and linguistically force me into lapsing into the…”
            Try working on a farm in the North, where there are young children. The more remote the better.

    • August 20, 2017 - 11:18 am | Permalink

      Look here. “Antifa” at a demonstration in Houston wearing identical hammer-and-sickle shirts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MPxtYgsbA

      This is not a new phenomenon. For decades It has been common for the hammer-and-sickle emblem to be displayed at leftist demonstrations. I have never noticed any hand-wringing and embarrassment about it on the left.

      I think our people are too easily embarrassed. That’s another way to say, we are too easily shamed into submission.

      Display of the swastika is not a cause in which, at present, I would wish to invest my own personal effort, since I already shock people enough just with my ideas. For me it would be a distraction. But at the same time, why carp at somebody else just for displaying the swastika? On the premise that whoever is doing it is not also acting like a jackass, that person is in his own way expanding our freedom by desensitizing the public. We should look forward to the day when the swastika will have become normalized.

      What does Dr. Griffin have to say about that?

      • royAlbbrecht's Gravatar royAlbbrecht
        August 20, 2017 - 12:39 pm | Permalink

        I agree completely.

        By “Sieg Heiling” the leftist retards repeatedly…,
        and even jocularly giving instruction in proper “..heel clicking technique…” while Sieg Heiling…,
        not to mention claiming to having had my feelings hurt multiple times throughout the day for the most obtuse reasons…,
        (i.e. looking at me from the side instead of face forward or overhearing someone express a preference for oatmeal over cereal)…,
        even the most leftist idiots have become desensitized to the once legitimate use of the “offensive argument” by the “…BLTGQ…” retards.
        Desensitization is a definite step forward in our battles.

        • August 20, 2017 - 3:26 pm | Permalink

          I wouldn’t do “Sieg heil!” That’s LARPing. It creates the impression that one is not living in the present reality. If you can come across as a normal person displaying a swastika, that, I think, will have an impact. If you come across as an historical reenactor displaying a swastika, that has no impact.

          I didn’t see the Commies in their hammer-and-sickle shirts at that demonstration in Houston pretending to be Russians. So, why on Earth would you say “Sieg heil”?

          If you want to be taken seriously, you have to avoid coming across as a caricature. The general response to that is always: pigeonhole and dismiss.

          • Jesse's Gravatar Jesse
            August 21, 2017 - 8:04 pm | Permalink

            Hadding Scott I think if you display a swastika you will not be seen as normal in the eyes the public. You will not win that one. But the news media will love you for it!
            We must not forget this is a war for the mind of our people.

          • George Kocan's Gravatar George Kocan
            August 22, 2017 - 11:42 am | Permalink

            Saul Alinsky, famous community organizer and guru to Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton and countless other Democrats and malcontents, certainly earned his authority as a political tactician. He advised his minions to avoid looking like kooks and hippies and who-knows-what. He told them to look like the people they were trying to influence, suit, necktie, clean shirt, cut hair, etc.

          • George Kocan's Gravatar George Kocan
            August 22, 2017 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

            And the, I thought of a counter-example: a sodomite pride parade, a collection of the worst dregs of humanity rubbing their disorders in our faces. Yet, such events seem to empower them rather than detract from them.

          • RoyAlbrecht's Gravatar RoyAlbrecht
            August 22, 2017 - 1:25 pm | Permalink

            You can not possibly expect me to try to reach these emotive based individuals by using logical persuasion techniques !?!
            Every attempt at approaching them based on reason has failed. I Sieg Heil them to their face and dare them to try and stop me.

            Moreover, I have every reason to feel damned proud when I Sieg Heil people.

            Deep down I am itching for a fight.

            Hitler was the only world leader in recent memory to shut the Jewish banks down and that is exactly what we need today…, and you are suggesting that I couch my expression of strength through joy by stifling my pride in what the German Race accomplished under Hitler because a bunch of idiots not worth the time of day might be offended or be turned off?

            What a joke.

            Let them ignore me and laugh at me…, it will be them who one day will regret that they did not respect my decision to be proud of where I came from and what Hitler accomplished.

            He turned Germany from a basket case into a powerhouse in less than a couple of years while the rest of the world was being milked dry by a Jew-induced recession.

            What have I got to be ashamed of by Sieg Heiling people I meet?

            Most of these objectionable idiots do not know what they are talking about and do not deserve the time of day let alone my respect.

            Frankly speaking confrontation to the point of violence is exactly what these idiots need to wake up.

            Just think of the power that the Jews wield and what it is based on. About the only sphere where We Whites can show any superiority is on the physical level.

            Look at the average German worker on the street protesting the North African invasion…, they are brutally strong and could make mince meat out of any three Islamics or leftists at a time.
            Hitler implemented policies that still stand today and are breeding these workers. Cheap sports complex memberships, A gymnastics basic physical education up to the age of 9, nutritious and subsidized lunch programs, company underwritten health spa and cleansing retreats, strong unions that guarantee living wages and job security, an educational infrastructure that pumps out design and technical engineers like the Jews pump out False News for American consumption, a health plan that recognizes as valid and pays for homeopathic medication and supplements…, I could go on but I need to get up early tomorrow.

            In this crucial time in history the Fake News is widely being recognized for what it is and the more CNN slams Nazis, the more the main stream American public will begin to reexamine Hitler’s deeds and come to the conclusion that National Socialism with an iron fist instead of the forgiving hand that Hitler extended these corrupt Jews is what’s needed.
            And you want me to curtail my adoration of the antidote to the diseased Jew !?! Forgive me if I laugh!

          • August 24, 2017 - 10:31 am | Permalink

            It’s a tricky matter and requires some care, if one is to display a swastika without appearing as a stereotype — but it can be done. Evalion made news on the other side of the ocean by being the cute girl who loves Hitler. She was effective in getting under those people’s skin because she appeared basically normal and attractive.

            An easily pigeonholed skinhead or skinhead chick covered in ugly tattoos doing the same kinds of videos would have gotten no attention.

            It was obvious to me that she was a manipulative attention-seeker and overacting, but apparently not to them.

      • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
        August 20, 2017 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

        Hadding, don’t forget those red stars swirling over the backdrops of many CNN shows.

      • August 21, 2017 - 5:59 pm | Permalink

        I have never noticed any hand-wringing and embarrassment about it on the left.

        Of course that is because the anti-White media does not prominently feature Communist symbols in the media coverage of these events.

        Are we going to cry about how “not fair” it is? The left gets to use Commie symbols, but we can’t use Nazi symbols?

        Guess what – life ain’t fair. Pro-Whites don’t control the media – the anti-White left does.

        So the best course of action is to STOP aping the left and to STOP purposefully subverting the White Identity movement with history fetish exhibitionism.

        Everyone knows this, it is ONLY online that these people can even make a case for this – it is ONLY in the echo-chambers of the internet that these people are not laughed at, if not forcefully removed from any group due to suspicion of being a “plant.”

        99% of the “neo-Nazi” movement in America has been run by Jews – of course:

        https://jewise.wordpress.com/jews-posing-as-neo-nazi/

      • Jesse's Gravatar Jesse
        August 21, 2017 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

        I think our people are too easily embarrassed. That’s another way to say, we are too easily shamed into submission.
        I agree with your above statement Hadding Scott.
        If I might add.
        What weapon can an enemy use to destroy other groups and culture? Answer The sword
        What weapon can the enemy use to destroy whites and white culture? Answer The guilt trip
        You can discover the massive guilt trip only works on whites.

    • August 21, 2017 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

      As usual, the “Nazi” costume clowns have changed the subject from White Identity … to their Nazi fetish. Now we’re supposed to believe that we should be using “Nazi” imagery, but it’s just “too soon” yet. But for some reason we have to “condition” Whites to eventually accept … the symbols of a short-lived regime on another continent from 75 years ago.

      These “Nazis” may as well be in league with the anti-Whites – especially, the anti-White Jews. Anti-White Jews say we are just “Nazis” in suits – the “Nazis” say we are ALSO just “Nazis in suits” – biding our time until we can wave the “Nazi” flag again.

      It’s a fetish at best, purposeful subversion at worst.

      When Richard Spencer gave a talk at Texas A&M University – which was a great talk – of course an “e-celebrity” from the Daily Stormer showed up, parked himself directly in front of the TV cameras, began giving “Heil Hitler” salutes on cue for the TV cameras, then gave a long speech about … “the Holocaust.”

      Of course the media ignored everything Spencer discussed in his speech – White Identity, especially for Whites in America – and instead ran the “Nazi” cos-player as the main story.

      I’m not a “Nazi” at all, and I couldn’t care less about the short-lived and failed NSDAP regime. The vast majority of sympathetic White Americans are completely in step with ME, and have zero interest in what Hadding Scott is selling.

      But these “Nazis” will always – always, 100% of the time – do everything and anything in their power to change the subject from White Identity – to their historical “Nazi fetish.”

      Not coincidentally, the anti-White Jews will do the exact same thing.

      With “friends” like the Nazis – who needs enemies like Jews?

      We don’t need to “re-condition” the public to accept WWII era “Nazi” imagery – we need to stop allowing “Nazis” to collaborate with the Jew media and keep purposefully subverting the White Identity movement

      • T. J.'s Gravatar T. J.
        August 21, 2017 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

        H. R. Thank you, and I second that. The jew position is that, if you are for Whites, you are, in all cases, a neo-nazi, even if you don’t know it.

        Clearly designed to alienate normal Whites. My favorite example is the Hate Bus of G. L. Rockwell. Could have been painted by Abraham Foxman:

        https://tinyurl.com/y75vpbez

        Then there is Bill White: https://tinyurl.com/y92a8vh2

        Last but least is Craig Cobb- formerly of Leith North Dakota [has it been four years already?] Nailing flags and crude message boards up in trees:

        https://tinyurl.com/yddpe662

        All nazi stuff must be rejected in the name of sanity, truth, and victory.
        That’s one of the reasons I left VNN.

        • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
          August 22, 2017 - 7:05 am | Permalink

          At least Rockwell was articulate, which is, I suspect, the real reason for his assassination. In the context of time, miscegenation laws were still in effect, popular in many states, and not struck down until 2 month before Rockwell’s assassination.
          Those following Rockwell have been caricatures, and include Jews like Frank Collin. If Mossad has infiltrated the PLO, Hamas, and virtually every other organization, including Hezbollah, opposing it politically, what would make people not think that the KKK and the “Nazis” are not controlled by the ADL?

          • T. J.'s Gravatar T. J.
            August 22, 2017 - 11:30 am | Permalink

            At least Rockwell was articulate

            I see that you don’t deny the claim that he was on the other side. . .
            Do you deny that the Hate Bus is anything but a caricature?

            Who benefits most from the Hate Bus- Whites, or jews?

          • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
            August 23, 2017 - 8:21 am | Permalink

            I know of no evidence that he was on “the other side”. There is certainly a lot of speculation, but no evidence. His actions in insisting of the law being followed, were mainstream at the time, as the masses were not primarily scofflaws as they are today, and trust in law enforcement was high. If he were on the other side, he would not have been assassinated. The fact that Virginia still has the death penalty and historically one of the shortest wait times to use it, yet the killer only served 8 years of a 20 year sentence for an obvious premeditated murder, is more of an indication that Rockwell was a threat to “the other side”.
            As for the bus – a VW, i.e. “Hitler’s” bus – it may be a “caricature” in order to poke fun at the (((crowd))) that labels everyone opposed to their narrative or agenda, hateful, just as they did to him. Remember, Rockwell was a (redacted) denier, but acknowledged that the average Jew was likely smarter than the average White.
            He was also clear in stating that a man’s race can’t be held against him, because he had no control over his birth. His opinion on race differences was something else. Context is everything. Today, it would not work, but for the times, it did work.

          • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
            August 23, 2017 - 3:17 pm | Permalink

            https://goo.gl/images/kcP1jk
            Not a ‘hate’ bus, but a great bus all the same….especially the further,

          • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
            August 23, 2017 - 3:29 pm | Permalink

            Lest anyone jump to the wrong conclusion as to my posting Ken Keseys ( I am omitting all apostrophies as I am apostrophically challenged) FURTHUR bus, it proudly carried a Confederate flag and all of the male occupants sported short hair. Although mostly known for One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, Ken Kesey wrote a beautiful novel celebrating American culture, individualism, and freedom called Sometimes A Great Notion.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 23, 2017 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

            Karen, I’d guess that you are quite familiar with Tom Wolfe’s Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. In that book and elsewhere, Wolfe made plain that he admired Sometimes a Great Notion—darn right, too.

            Against all odds—i.e., despite the shifting perspectives and narrative complexity that are integral to the novel’s construction—even the film version of it turned out pretty well. It may indeed be the only film that Paul Newman and Hank Fonda ever made that wasn’t hard-core lefty.

      • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
        August 22, 2017 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

        I’ve had a “nazi fetish” for a very long time. However, a failed movement on another continent over a half century ago has no role to play in what is going on today. So, like most fetishists I hide my secret in the sock drawer.

  5. August 19, 2017 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Here’s an AP report on an early anti-Vietnam War demonstration at Berkeley, from 1966. It was VERY VIOLENT. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1697&dat=19660413&id=eAsfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BZcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3437,4096320

  6. Hammerheart's Gravatar Hammerheart
    August 19, 2017 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    The most vitriolic hatred of all comes from white females, the people we’re trying to protect.

    • Luke's Gravatar Luke
      August 20, 2017 - 3:28 am | Permalink

      I notice that, too. I watched a video the other day from Durham, N.C. where a pudgy and thoroughly un-pokeble White female climbed up an extension ladder and tied a rope-strap around the neck of a Confederate soldier’s statue, and then climbed back down while a gang of white guys yanked on the rope and toppled the statue.

      This is the end result, I am convinced, of the stupidity and foolish shortsightedness that lead to the White male leadership of this nation deciding to negate the wishes of our Founders to keep women out of politics and clearly refusing to allow women to vote.

      Ever since women were the given vote, this country has gone steadily down the toilet. And, the women – especially White women – have been more and more destructive to the traditions, principles, and foundations upon which this nation was founded.

      • August 20, 2017 - 10:12 am | Permalink

        How could you see that black female student in Durham who climbed the statue as White? Do you have failing eyesight, Luke? And then you go on into how stupid and destructive White women are. As you correctly said, it was White men who pulled the statue down and cheered, and kicked and spit on it.

      • ilene's Gravatar ilene
        August 20, 2017 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

        If they had allowed women to vote at the time of inception, the women’s movement would not have launched, or it would have been greatly reduced. At the time of inception our nation was much more moral and conservative. Totalitarianism, even if its for only half the population, is never the answer.
        There is still a need to address the effects of Industrialization, post-industrialization, and the rise of Technocracy on gender issues, as well as other issues.
        What you propose only keeps Whites divided, which in turn allows them to be manipulated and controlled by a minority.

      • T. J.'s Gravatar T. J.
        August 20, 2017 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

        “. . .un-pokeble White female. . .”

        You can poke fun at them.

    • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
      August 20, 2017 - 4:41 am | Permalink

      The most vitriolic hatred of all comes from Jews who have their tribe and it’s ambitions for a Global Totalitarian Government to protect.

      • T. J.'s Gravatar T. J.
        August 20, 2017 - 2:34 pm | Permalink

        it’s is a contraction of it is
        its is the possessive

        “sometimes it’s it’s
        sometimes it’s its”

        itz

        In fact Karen my dear, being that it’s Sunday, I have a free gift for you, one you can savor the rest of your life:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlY3_FmFeE

        sincerely, the grammer nazi

        • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
          August 20, 2017 - 4:10 pm | Permalink

          Grammer nazi, aren’t gifts, at least by definition always free?
          Also, I presume KT is a German residing in Canada. If she favors you with a lengthy reply in German, are you able to correct any of her mistakes she may make ?

          If not, then you should redefine yourself as strictly an English grammer nazi ? Nichtwahr ?

          I know she will be delighted to be once more addressed as my dear, as she was the first time, when you were merely the second to do so, even before midday.

          • August 21, 2017 - 4:18 am | Permalink

            “Grammar” does not contain the letter “e” unless you’re referring to Kelsey Grammer. Meanwhile, a more entertaining instruction on the use of “its” and “it’s” is contained in “Word Crimes” by “Weird Al” Yankovic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

          • riches's Gravatar riches
            August 21, 2017 - 11:10 am | Permalink

            I know g-r-a-m-m-e-r isn’t German for grammar.
            If not, then you could be more careful correcting someone.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

            @Eonic: Meaning no disrespect, “grammer” may also refer to an enemy foot soldier in the very hot war we adherents of the Customary Measurement Units forces have been waging with the evil empire of Metric Conformity. Sadly, their “grammers” have fought our “ouncers” to at best an uneasy standoff here in the States.

            With the entire (((Establishment))) pushing Metricity, however, who can say how long the standoff will endure? Even the Brits, the devisers of our measurement system, now talk of grams and meters. O perfidious Albion!

        • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
          August 21, 2017 - 6:50 am | Permalink

          Polite, secure people do not correct others grammar. A personal attack based on a minor grammatical infraction is almost always done either to consciously derail the debate train or out of an unconscious defence mechanism whereby the mind, threatened by a statement, in this case Jewrys plans for a totalitarian world government, substitutes, so as to deflect discomfort, to in this case a misplaced apostrophe. A gift is free, but being a secure and polite person and not accustomed to battling pygmies, I will refrain from mocking you.

          • Roland Maruska's Gravatar Roland Maruska
            August 21, 2017 - 2:59 pm | Permalink

            “… to consciously derail…” Watch those split infinitives.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 5:46 pm | Permalink

            @Roland Maruska: Karen’s phrasing is not only fine as it stands; it is also immeasurably superior to your implicit correction and would pass muster in any context where prose is edited according to the strictest standards—the context in which I worked for thirty years, incidentally.

            See also the five-column discussion sub verbo “split infinitive” in the second edition of H. W. Fowler’s Modern English Usage (1965, 1983), wherein Fowler gives the back of his hand to most complaints about uses of this construction deemed either incorrect or nonstandard.

          • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
            August 21, 2017 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

            @Roland. LOL! However, avoidance of split infinitives is all right so long as it sounds okay in speech. To make a long story short, quite often non-split infinitives come across as unwieldy, clumsy affectations. English is English; let’s no worry about what they do in Latin.

            “To consciously derail” sounds good to me. Sounds a damn sight better than “Consciously to derail” or “to derail consciously” or “to derail the debate train consciously”.

            @Karen. Polite, secure people do not correct others [sic] grammar.

            But among friends it is all right if done in a kindly, good hearted manner. Please correct me any time you wish.

            No hard feelings.

    • August 20, 2017 - 10:53 am | Permalink

      I’m inclined to agree with you Hammerheart. American women have become monsters. They are corrupted by feminism. I am grateful my Southern upbringing spared me from its worst excesses. But people need to speak out against the corruption of American womanhood.

      • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
        August 20, 2017 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

        People need to speak out against Jewry which corrupted American womanhood. Strike at the source. The patient never becomes healthy when only the symptoms are treated while the disease is ignored.

        • August 21, 2017 - 4:22 am | Permalink

          The symptoms, however, are the soldiers of that particular disease. “The Negro is the muscle of the Jew” as I have read. While attacking the leaders you have to fend off the dark hordes.

      • T's Gravatar T
        August 20, 2017 - 3:28 pm | Permalink

        Like most here I’d not agree with a good deal of his personal politics, but George Orwell had brilliant insights into the mechanics of much what is driving the modern world, which he boldly wrote about in his most famous of books, 1984 . It’s contents and descriptions of a future dystopia, set on ‘Airstrip One’ in the super state of Oceania, a state which was constituted by a unified US and UK (inclusive of most, if not all, of the past and present colonies of the British Empire) and dominated by a single political party (called ‘Ingsoc’, short for English Socialism) is largely quite reflective of his own experiences with the radical left and Marxian thought.

        Regarding specifically the women of Antifa and other similar type groups, the quote below from the first chapter of his book would very much seem to apply…

        ‘It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.’

        As for the every day members of both sexes of such outfits as Antifa, organisations very much sponsored and promoted by the US and British hyper-Capitalist Establishments, whom would feel quite at home at one of 1984‘s daily ‘Two Minutes Hate’ sessions, or even better yet at ‘Hate Week’, Orwell’s description of Winston’s work acquaintance at the Ministry of Truth, Parsons, is quite apt in many ways…

        ‘…He was a fattish but active man of paralysing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms — one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the Thought Police, the stability of the Party depended. At thirty-five he had just been unwillingly evicted from the Youth League, and before graduating into the Youth League he had managed to stay on in the Spies for a year beyond the statutory age. At the Ministry he was employed in some subordinate post for which intelligence was not required, but on the other hand he was a leading figure on the Sports Committee and all the other committees engaged in organizing community hikes, spontaneous demonstrations, savings campaigns, and voluntary activities generally. He would inform you with quiet pride, between whiffs of his pipe, that he had put in an appearance at the Community Centre every evening for the past four years…’

        One thing Orwell seems to have got wrong though, at least for the present, is someone with a name such as Emmanuel Goldstein being the subject of the daily hate session, when it would seem rather it would be more appropriate that it would be someone whom has been dead and gone for the past seventy plus years with the initials A. H.

        ‘The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one’s teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one’s neck. The Hate had started.

        As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandy-haired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Goldstein was the renegade…the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these Powers it was generally at peace with the other. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators dedicated to the overthrow of the State…’

        • T's Gravatar T
          August 20, 2017 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

          Another great quote below from 1984 of which there are too many to list. Quite a few whom have left ‘progressive’ organisations report that these groups are driven by a hatred which fills the very being of members and it is why they left. I submit that these groups’ members, whom call anyone whom simply disagrees with or does not fall in line with them ‘haters’, are projecting upon others what is true of themseves. The same goes with race and the accusation of ‘racist’ and ‘racism’ which progressive and liberal types regularly toss out at others. The pc sort are utterly obsessed with the subject of race, far more so than those whom they so accuse, even far more than those whom would have the seemingly natural desire for the preservation of the various races of man, including their own, and not see their genocide.

          ‘The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred.’

          1984 is worth the read if one hasn’t and is free online here…

          http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/0.html

          • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
            August 21, 2017 - 3:23 am | Permalink

            T “The pc sort are utterly obsessed with the subject of race, far more so than those whom they so accuse,”
            Which is why on job application forms and local authority forms they want to know your exact race. And there is one race they hate – their own. In the last census in Britain they had no category ‘English’ as we were only allowed to identify ‘British’.

  7. Eli's Gravatar Eli
    August 19, 2017 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    So in other words, we need to become “mainstream.” “Respectable.” “Moderate.” It didn’t work in the past, and it won’t work now: we’ve already made tremendous progress in reaching young people (myself included), and in purging the movement of such troublesome baggage as gang ties. I agree the KKK and Brownshirt symbolism is problematic, but overall, the march would have been quite effective had that idiot not lost his cool (assuming the incident wasn’t a false flag).

    • Charlie Lindbergh's Gravatar Charlie Lindbergh
      August 19, 2017 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

      Well, the right leaning middle class professionals in my neighborhood are all totally turned off from those two pesky things that show up at these events every time (Nazi flags/salutes & KKK symbolism). One of them, with real southern heritage linked to John Mosby, doesn’t even bother to listen to our side of the story any more because the MSM always gets those two deal-breakers in to the picture. He tells me “we have to get smarter”!

    • T's Gravatar T
      August 21, 2017 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

      Pterodactyl ‘And there is one race they hate – their own. In the last census in Britain they had no category ‘English’ as we were only allowed to identify ‘British’.’

      I think you have a very valid point there.

  8. Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
    August 19, 2017 - 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Help me out here, folks: why are plans for prowhite marches, protests and rallies, etc. advertised on the internet? This is an extremely unpopular and dangerous crusade, and yet we tell the world just what we are going to do, when surprise is a crucial element for success. It’s not about getting media attention – obviously all they do is lie, which makes things worse, much worse.

    Time to start acting like Christians in the catacombs; meet on park benches like spies in cold war films; communicate by old fashioned mail; use one-time cellphones, then plant them so as to mislead enemies; and so on. No, you won’t get 1,000 protesters, but the ones you get you’ll know are on your side and not infiltrators. Further, it looks to me as if marches and rallies is the one and only thing we know how to do and they are now a dead end. I can think of a dozen other actions but why would I advertise them here or anywhere? Intrigue, guile, cunning can be learned. Put your thinking caps on. Just saying.

    • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
      August 19, 2017 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

      B, just how long would your application for a permit to demonstrate remain a secret ?

      • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
        August 19, 2017 - 9:08 pm | Permalink

        @ Charles: There would be no application for a permit.

        • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
          August 20, 2017 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

          B, then you better buy a raincoat and hat, and definitely some nose-plugs, when the high-pressure-cannon tank truck comes to spray you with human shit, just as they have deployed in the West Bank.

          Given all the Arschkuesser, AIPAC & Co.- sponsored Congressional junkets, I expect this Israeli great leap forward in crowd control, to soon make its appearance on US streets.

          • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
            August 20, 2017 - 4:26 pm | Permalink

            @Charles. “No application for a permit” means no parades, no rallies at all. Time to lie low, be quiet, keep them wondering. Anyone blathering anti-minority abuse – you will know they are not true blue, not trustworthy.

            J.M.O.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

            Very wise words, dear B. Seconded gratefully and unconditionally.

            The Roman catacombs may have looked like a hideout, but they were primarily the staging area for what I see—and till the day before yesterday, for what was seen by virtually all—as a great and heroic victory. That the fruits of that victory have been all but entirely lost or tossed away like a gnawed bone should neither surprise nor completely dismay us. That is merely, albeit sadly, the way of the world.

      • Karen T's Gravatar Karen T
        August 20, 2017 - 4:50 am | Permalink

        Charles Frey, why would B even apply for a permit to demonstrate after stating that demonstrations are a dead end?

    • Carl Green's Gravatar Carl Green
      August 19, 2017 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

      Couldn’t agree more; I’ve been thinking that all week. I’d recommend flash-mobs, crashing major liberal events, disprutive shouting during events, like BLM was doing for a while — staying non-violent, though; unlike them.

    • Gary Bradbury's Gravatar Gary Bradbury
      August 20, 2017 - 8:11 am | Permalink

      I like the cut of your jib Barkingmad. I’ve said similar things a number of times and they actually make the most sense when thought through. The smartphones, social media etc are being used against us and why wouldn’t they be as they’re owned by the enemy. Charles Frey commented on licences and such to demonstrate but your right we wouldn’t need permission. Why? well because demonstration, rallies and such are in a way perfectly except-able to the enemy because they never get anywhere much like petitions to Government. Much better to communicate old school style, throw away mobiles, word of mouth and code if using media. Then the meet ups should be most probably in out of City places, back to nature etc… Like I said you have the right idea and I do not claim to have many of the answers but it is doable just not in the open as it’s being done now. We seem to be forgetting our biggest asset and that is us. Social media and the internet have led us far away from each other and if were to have any say in our own destiny as a people then we need to find each other again, face to face and eye to eye.

      • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
        August 21, 2017 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

        @Gary. Thanks. If we can relearn old fashioned means of communicating; plus techniques and strategies to achieve our goals, we will have it made in the shade over those who can’t function without being Plugged In.

  9. Forever guilty's Gravatar Forever guilty
    August 19, 2017 - 8:16 pm | Permalink

    For some reason patience and non violence of White Oppressed Majority taken for granted.

    But there is open anti White racial discrimination. For example “White privilege” its code world for comprehensive displacement of Whites ( especially White males ) in all areas of human activities: social, economic, professional, political, academic , even historical

    In 20 years time it would be known, that the Great African Chief Mumbo Jumbo was the real founder of USA.

  10. Eric Kunnap's Gravatar Eric Kunnap
    August 19, 2017 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    As a parallel or in cooperation with the altright identitarian movement for Whites, there should be further emphasis on boycotts that hit the opposition hard: Mainstream news and other disgusting networks, sports on television, and even religiously-overseen food (use the KosChertified? App to understand the KQ – Kosher Question – and boycott in favor of non-certified products. See http://www.KosChertified.com). As the young adults see their future dimming, they will probably be the first to take such stands if the message plays out loudly on the altright internet articles.

  11. Fenria's Gravatar Fenria
    August 19, 2017 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    1) All those other movements you mentioned did not gain momentum simply because they were pluralistic. They gained momentum because there was another (((power player))) involved, making sure that those movements had money, exposure, and political connection.

    2) No matter how much we try to water down the Alt-Right message, it will never resound with any group other than whites. You can see this clearly in the Boston free speech march that got shut down today by the antifa imbeciles, even though it explicitly had nothing at all to do with race.

    You can make the message as milquetoast as you like, but as long as it concerns, in any way, white interests, the exact same (((power player))) that I mentioned above will try to shut you down. They’re not interested in a sanitized version of pro white ideology. They’re not interested in the continued existence of white people. Period. Full stop.

  12. August 20, 2017 - 1:12 am | Permalink

    Thank you, Robert S. Griffin. I think Charlottesville will be a changing point in history. That point in place and time will be the starting point for you to get your country back.

    Our German changing point in history has been in 15th of Juli 2017, a “musik festival against overflooding with foreigners ” (“Rock gegen Überfremdung”) at the small town Themar in Thuringia in Germany. There were 6000 partizipants and neither state nor the leftist could do anything against it.

    In Germany all “pro-German-folk-survival-activities” are not wished or they are forbidden by the state and and fought against by the “leftists, liberals, or brainwashed”. Therefore a start with 6000 upright Germans is great. Please see the picture how small the festival area is. It is a small private property, the owner allowed the festival and 6000 folks came.
    The picture
    h***ttps://thueringenrechtsaussen.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/themarpolizei.jpg
    A Film, 2 minutes long
    h***ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97N33qO1lc

  13. wer's Gravatar wer
    August 20, 2017 - 5:43 am | Permalink

    We will continue to take away your speech:

    In the political realm we assist the Ashkenazi in criminalising free speech as eagerly as we undermine this alleged human right from our pulpits and university lecterns. Free speech serves whites no purpose. They do not know what to do with it when they have it. They have not used it to enhance their biological fitness, to consolidate their power, or to ensure a future for themselves. They waste it, so it is right that the Ashkenazi takes from them the freedom to openly air their grievances.

    http://telegra.ph/Protocols-15-05-29

  14. Pirouette's Gravatar Pirouette
    August 20, 2017 - 6:19 am | Permalink

    Welcome to the club! This is how it has been in the UK for 70 years now, and longer. This is the real world of nationalism. You lose your job, your friends and your home, roughly in that order. You get tarred with names like Nazi, racist and bigot. And yet when you look at the opposition they are all fascists in behaviour, bigots in attitude and liars in every respect.
    Loyalty, honour and justice are what you are fighting for. They, on the other hand, attack you in the name of multiculturalism, no borders and to maintain the power of the 1%…somehow they think this is revolutionary.
    You know you are doing the correct thing when the Establishment and their lugenpresse attack you. You know you are hitting them where it hurts when the greed merchants withhold banking facilities. You know this is the only thing that counts when feminists, gays and immigrants attack you on the streets especially if they are funded by Soros, Rothschild and all the other drug dealing slavers who lord it over you and call you goyim (animals to be farmed).
    Welcome to the real world…it takes just 5% of the population to change a society (((they have 2% in the US and half a percent in the UK and look at their dictatorship over us!)))
    We don’t own everything, we have no influence over the government, we don’t own all of the banks. What we do have is truth, honour and loyalty. One day we will be free and Charlottesville will be historically significant as the turning point in uniting the Nationalist in the US.

    • August 20, 2017 - 5:25 pm | Permalink

      With respect, your 2% and .5% figures miss a large chunk of the elephant in the room. The Jewish tight clique is surrounded by a much larger penumbra, or coating, or clump of loosely-attached magnetic filings, which are an essential part of the system. You’re like someone describing a monarch, without realising that a huge aggregation of ministers, inferiors, advisors etc surrounds him. Most of the readers here are aware of the Jewish issue, but Freemasons, ‘Common Purpose Graduates’, false flag types such as BLM and KKK and ‘Antifa’, and media workers turning out Jew junk, and teachers are needed to provide the action. Jews are a bit like the operators working from inside, controlling huge amplifying robotic handling devices. In a sense, these derivative people are more important than Jews, because without them Jews would (probably) get nowhere. Anything that changes, impedes, reroutes, alters rules and laws, enlightens, weakens the command chain, or offers good alternatives may help.

      • August 20, 2017 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

        To Pirouette: Things are similar in Germany.
        To Rerevisionist: The group with the influence is sitting at the knots of decision and education and mass media and it exerts its influence through the amplification of their deeds (and the realisation of their wishes) by a system that works like a well lubricated mechanism.
        There is no need for them to be very clever: If they are clever (not necessarily utmost clever) and stick together, help each other, then a minority will always come to the top of society within two generations. They see the masses of the host population as a feeding ground for them, they work hard in the most promising fields, they help each other coming forward and that gives them an advantage over the common white folks. They network nationally and internationally.
        Also they cry to be a hardly oppressed minority. Also they use all legal correct means without empathy. Also they tell the story: “… all men are equal, human rights, we also have human rights, these rights are universal in time and place…” (compare Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venedig, Shakespeare was a knowing man).
        In case we white folks would let ourselves be impressed by theirs assertions: That would be our own fault and in the end our being destroyed. Those assertions are words, they are tools from a group that is not “we”, that is not “our group”, that has its own plan for the future. We should just skip their assertions, and we should answer: “The only thing that is important for us: We want to live and our children shall live. We will not give our lives and future as a prey to a worldview that is expressed by sweet words but nonetheless is deadly for us.”

    • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
      August 21, 2017 - 3:45 am | Permalink

      Pirouette: “it takes just 5% of the population to change a society ”

      Multiply the % by the keenness.

      The far left who want to make us third world are actually a small percent but they make up for it by keenness. 5% x very keen = control the narrative, the media, the government.

      The majority are actually far-right (eg they are not pro-crime and not pro-national suicide), it is just that they do not realise it as they are so stupid and unpolitical in their thought processes that they listen to the MSM. The MSM just say ‘Holocaust’ to them and they start screaming and lying on the floor and begging to be trampled on by the third world.

      So the 80% stupid majority x their very tiny keenness score = a small amount, and no match for the left with their small % but HUGE keenness.

      But when the impact of the far-left’s attack on the West reaches a certain level (economic collapse) then this will prompt an increase in the keenness score for the 80% who will finally wake up and start voting differently.

      it only takes a slight increase in keenness from the 80% and they will easily counter the far-left people of hate with their 5%.

  15. George Kocan's Gravatar George Kocan
    August 20, 2017 - 6:31 am | Permalink

    My interests reside in more that “whiteness.” I see the “diversity” which the Democrat Party and its allies promotes as a threat to universal liberties, Life, Liberty and Property. Related to these of course is the Christian culture which produced them. The case is obvious now that the strategy to associate the Founding Fathers with racism functions to deny them any moral authority and thereby destroy the Constitution as a moral authority, along with the Bible and Christianity in general.

  16. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    August 20, 2017 - 9:13 am | Permalink

    I’m not seriously recommending the following at all except as a hypothetical. But I can’t help wondering at times whether the entire Leftist intellectual and institutionalized edifice would come crashing down in an instant if European whites suddenly converted to Islam. And would the protection of the genome be sufficient reason to engage in such a foolhardy fashion?

  17. Bennis Mardens's Gravatar Bennis Mardens
    August 20, 2017 - 9:27 am | Permalink

    I take issue with the idea that the alt-right is fringe or dangerous. Specifically, there were very few actual “neonazis” at the rally, and 90% of the participants were simply conservative white people. The Jewish media paints all of us as bloodthirsty violent “nazis” and they will always do this, no matter what we say or do. A bigger tent would be great, bigger numbers would help, but the (((media))) will always demonize white people, because they HATE white people.

  18. JRM's Gravatar JRM
    August 20, 2017 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    The upshot of the brilliantly manipulated event in Charlottesville is a re-doubling of demonization of White men. Just as there is a hierarchy of sacred groups on the left, with blacks outranking other races, black women outranking black men, and black lesbian women outranking black heterosexual women, there is an “enemies list”: all Whites are enemies, but White men are much more toxic than White women; White Republican men are more evil than White Democratic men, and the alt-Right White men of any persuasion are at the top of the list, hated with pure fury.

    In spite of the fact that I see many pictures and videos of young White men tearing down Confederate monuments, and standing under “White Supremacy is Evil” signs, I’m afraid these virtue-signalers will not be treated much differently than alt-Right activists IF we experience an economic collapse.

    As long as the economy and social infrastructure holds, all these talks about “White Identity” are moot. Let me repeat that: as long as the ECONOMY does not collapse, all rhetoric directed at getting Whites into the streets for a unified show of force are futile.

    Most *intelligent* Whites are hard-working folks with homes, cars, children, in other words, they have something to lose. And who would care to risk his job and family fighting for a group of people, our fellow Whites, especially the “world citizen” young folks, with their air of confident certainty, who have imbibed every tv show and movie for years that taught them that blacks are wise and kind, but that evil mostly originates in White hearts?

    We will not see them, not in any large numbers, in marches or rallies. The Leftist Whites, who risk nothing because the State Religion of Equality is firmly with them, even when they must receive an occasional slap on the wrist for being too enthusiastic in their zeal for Sacred Social Justice. The State loves its energetic young warriors, even though they often say cruel things about Capitalism; all is forgiven because they see the same worldview of open borders, “minority” sacredness, and distrust of Whites.

    If (or maybe I should say “when”) the already fraying social fabric is finally rent, Whites will, certainly by then, be sufficiently non grata, condemned by their own many admission of guilt by association; hunted and hated. Then we will see if they are capable of a racial/spiritual renewal. If not, they will be swept away into the dustbin of history; dare I say they will have earned that fate?

    • pterodactyl's Gravatar pterodactyl
      August 22, 2017 - 1:49 am | Permalink

      JRM: ” I see many pictures and videos of young White men tearing down Confederate monuments, and standing under “White Supremacy is Evil” signs, I’m afraid these virtue-signalers will not be treated much differently than alt-Right activists”
      All the bad things happening to the West are caused by these WHITES who have ALLOWED various other groups to help them (and who do not need much encouragement), as our authorities, teachers, MSM people (and billionnaires for some reason) are nearly all drawn from this group of whites who hate us due to their own inner wiring and who want to bring us down. They will not rest until they have done to the whole West that which they did to S.Africa. The other groups that join in gleefully with the lefty whites in our destruction, they are no real threat once the non-lefty whites (the 85%) decide enough is enough, and these other groups are easy to deal with and send to other countries where other cultures suit them more.
      The only solution to bring the whites peace is for the 85% non-lefty whites to do something about their own enemy within 15% – those with leftist genes and who are now currently in charge. But for now the awareness level in the 85% whites of what is going on is too low for the 85% to do anything – they are not even aware that their own rulers and MSM are the enemy.

      Those with lefty genes are not simply everyone who votes Democrat (for example – which is more than 15% anyway), as many of these voters are actually right wing but just stupidly listening to the MSM and voting at present for the party with the opposite views to their own. An example of a true lefty is the Antifa crowd, and most of the MSM and most of the government and most of academia.

      Only when the white population can relocate those with bad lefty genes to their own end of the country, or to another country, only then can peace and prosperity and safety (and culture) be preserved. In other words, the next war/civil war will involve population movements, similar to those that happened in Bosnia before NATO intervened to stop people moving to places where there are others like themselves – a natural process that has occurred for millennia until populations grew beyond a certain size and the process generally stopped. It needs to start again if whites are to survive – apart from lefty whites who do not deserve to survive and should stay in their multi-racial ‘paradises’ and enjoy the continuing racial strife that exists in such places.

      • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
        August 22, 2017 - 7:19 am | Permalink

        The people, to whom you refer, are the useful idiots. To Antifa adherents, everyone else is a right wing extremist. This video shows a man reading Hitler quotes being cheered by the Antifa dullards.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derHRFGZ4NU
        As I have said before, these people wouldn’t recognize a fascist if one bit them on the arse. Fascism and National Socialism are not “right”, they are traditional “left” i.e. nationalist, not globalist.

        • David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
          August 22, 2017 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

          @ Curmudgeon

          Quoting selections from Hitler, Mussolini and Mosley, on one hand, and Lincoln, Marx and Herzl, on the other, without prior attribution, to the applause or horror of these under-educated dullards can be fun.

          It is a more profitable exercise in the battle (of ideas, at any rate) than marching about with a swastika pinned to a white hood.

  19. Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
    August 20, 2017 - 11:49 am | Permalink

    I do not pretend to be an expert on the Alt-Right, and not being An American in America, I am unable to attain first hand knowledge of what is represents. My impression, however, is that it is not easily pigeon-holed. That is, it is more like a VENN diagram where a few common points are common to all. Most prominent is that they want those who call themselves “conservatives” to actually be and act like conservatives. That is the basis for their attacks on the RINOs and others they label “cuckservatives”.
    I disagree with the opinions expressed here that rallies serve no purpose, and that Charlottesville is a setback. While there is a great deal of suspicion over the motives of some of those involved, there are a few important takeaways that I predict will become more prominent.
    The organizers had to resort to Federal Court to have it order that a permit be issued. The Governor declared a State of Emergency before the rally officially began and declared the rally illegal. This is important, as the organizers now have legal grounds to litigate. The Governor nullified a Federal Court order, declared a lawful assembly, unlawful, and broke up the lawful assembly while refusing to declare the opposition unlawful assembly, unlawful, and refusing to disperse the unlawful assembly. This action is a gift for civil law suits against the Governor, as Richard Spencer has for all intents and purposes declared, and given that the Governor nullified a Federal Court order, allows the DOJ to investigate whether there was collusion between the Governor, the Mayor, and the “counter demonstrators”. This is an opportunity for a special prosecutor to be appointed to investigate why the Federal Court order was nullified and what happened at Charlottesville. The question is whether the backbone to do it exists?

    • August 20, 2017 - 5:33 pm | Permalink

      Another potential issue is that of companies hiring out demonstrators and crowd equipment, and mobile changing rooms for them. Surely there must be some liability in the event of damage? Are they insured etc? Can police groups claim? Can police chiefs be kicked out? There probably are opportunities for driving wedges between these groups if questions of expenses arise.

  20. August 20, 2017 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    teach children the truth about the Old Testament

    from Genesis 1 to Deuteronomy 33,
    there are NO JEWS !

    the modern day so-called “Jews” are merely “Proselytes”
    to Talmudic Judaism and are not “Hebrews”, and
    Not “Israelites”…

    https://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2017/08/operation-talpiot-israeli-plan-to.html

    No Dallas Cowboys at the Alamo
    No Jews in the Old Testament

    I feel like a global pogrom of putting

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/uk-to-jail-pro-palestinian-protesters/

    SIX MILLION…. {{{TARES}}}
    into the eternal ovens of truth,
    would make Jesus really happy

    • August 20, 2017 - 5:43 pm | Permalink

      I’d recommend caution with that post by Anthony Clifton. A red flag is ‘Operation Talpiot’ which appears to be a scare device.

  21. Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
    August 20, 2017 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Otto von Bismarck undoubtedly had the biggest set of ears of anyone on the continent. Purportedly he stated: THAT THE MONEY POWER IN EUROPE DEEMED THE RECENTLY INDEPENDENT AND SUCCESSFUL UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO HAVE BECOME TOO BIG FOR ITS BRITCHES, AND NEEDED SOME SCALING DOWN.

    Regrettably I remember neither the book nor the author. Of course the author alleged, that the Civil War was just such a tool.

    Several years ago, I emailed three professors at Humboldt University in Berlin, who were described by their History Department’s secretariat as experts on Bismarck.

    Apparently my query, using the term : European Money Powers sufficed to elicit complete radio silence from these selectively courageous academics.

    I marvel daily at the displayed, genuine erudition displayed here. Does any one have a pointer in this Civil War cause beyond the cant ? What a marvelous opportunity to take the air out of their hypocritical UVA bubble that would be .

    CW historians wrote of the opposite sides taken by the European Powers: surely Bismarck would be mentioned somewhere; even after the fact.

    Roosevelt’s Baruchs originated in Charleston, not far from Fort Sumter, where the first shot was fired. The Lehman Brothers started their dry goods store in Mississippi or Alabama. We now know of Jewish dominance in the slave trade, from Newport to Charleston to the Caribbean. Did they also advocate and finance secession with a little help from {{{London}}} through {{{Liverpool}}}, when they realized that war credits bring greater and quicker profits than retail in underwear ?

    • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
      August 20, 2017 - 3:33 pm | Permalink

      In other words, are those who gave covert rise to Lee et.al. the same as those who now scream for taking down their predecessors’ erections ?

    • August 20, 2017 - 5:40 pm | Permalink

      Try Googling [or other search engine] US Civil War revisionism. You might then try US Civil War revisionism Jews. You’ll get food for thought, though identifying the nutritional bits may not be easy.

    • T's Gravatar T
      August 20, 2017 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

      Frey, there is abundant evidence that the US Civil War of 1861-1865 was part of a larger global 18th and 19th century movement led by the British Empire and those powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish elites involved in slavery and its trade away from the antiquated and cumbersome, but most importantly, far less profitable chattel slavery, where an individual’s labor is systemstically stolen via their physical ownership, to the much more profitable and efficient wage slavery where the individual’s labor is systematically stolen directly via their pay. Specifically they are after the difference that they are actually paying the person from the prevailing wage at a given location, such as US businesses relocating to China, where instead of a 17-20 dollars/hr they would pay in the West they pay 1 dollar an hour or instead of the paying of 20/hr for a construction job in the US they pay a US citizen they instead pay 10/hr to someone allowed in legally or illegaly due to deliberately lax border controls and extremely liberal immigration policies. Wage slavery (called euphemistically ‘cheap labor’) just as with chattel slavery, has a powerful negative secondary effect for most everyday people, though profitable for business elites, of greatly depressing the overall surrounding wages whereever it is practiced. The peoples preyed upon as sources of wage slavery, just as with chattel slavery, tend to be peoples broken by the very ones doing the slaving ie such as the exodus of Chinese to Australia and US after China had been flooded with drugs (opium) by UK and US elites and defeated in the Opium Wars fought by the British Empire. Or, in the case of Ireland and the Irish, broken indirectly by the population being largely reduced to unnaturally singular dependence on the potato for food, and it then experiencing blight, resulting in their mass immigration. One has to seriously wonder if the idea of wage slavery came first, and then came the idea of the abolition of chattel slavery and its trade.

      The roots of the Civil War, specifically regarding the US, can be found in the division of labor in chattel slavery and its trade which existed in British North America at the time of the 1776 Revolution, the British Empire then dominating the global trade. Slavery and its trade existed throughout the 13 colonies at the time, however due in part to climactic conditions, the British colonial northern elites (ie Massachusetts) tended to be more involved in directing the trade and sale of chattel slaves while the southern colonial elites tended towards being consumers of the said slaves (ie South Carolina). Following the Revolution, starting in the 1780’s and 1790’s, wage slavery was adopted by the former British colonies, now US states, and its Northwest Territories, one by one, the trade in chattel in time being outlawed and slave ownership being ‘grandfathered’. Indeed, there were chattel slaves (albeit elderly) in northern states such as New York at the start of the Civil War in 1861.

      While they had the term ‘cheap labor’ as early as the 1840’s and it was a regularly used term, as the war approached in the late 1850’s the term literally disappeared from the US media and was replaced with a term of propoganda, the term ‘free labor’, ie as in a free man as opposed to a unfree chattel, apparently it being realised that ‘cheap labor’ would not go down well as a cause to fight and die for with those expected to do the fighting and dying. Not disimilarly, southern elites would tell their people it was about ‘state rights’ rather than chattel slavery, the vast majority of the everyday population there not owning chattel slaves, but indeed rather having to suffer greatly with the system. The US Civil War was quite literally a war over two closely parallelling slave systems put in place and maintained by diktat, at the great expense of the non-slaving populations of the vast majority of both sections, the wage slavery of the US North and the chattel slavery of the US South, the elites of the latter and their hangers on, whom having quite a lot more invested in ownership of chattel slaves than the northern elites had and being reluctant to give up this source of their wealth, refused to go along with the new wage slavery system of the US North and British Empire. My personal belief is when violence became inevitable in 1861 that the guns should have been turned on the slaving elites of both sections and their hangers on whom were pushing the stupid war rather than upon each other. Most of these elites and their hangers on, whether of the chattel or wage slave stripe, would have surrendered pretty quickly had they been so confronted and given the ultimatum of choosing between their own people and their slaves, which was most important. A relative handful of slaving elites and hangers on who might have fought on to protect their ‘rights’ and ‘property’ at their owns’ very great expense should have have been summarily executed wherever and whenever they were found like the mad dogs they were. A true abolition of slavery could then have occurred in North America as well as self determination for the European and African populations. As soon as the war concluded, back returned the term ‘cheap labor’, the term ‘free labor’ all but disappearing.

      “The [Civil] war was essentially an industrial struggle – a struggle between free labor and the masters of slave labor.” Harper’s New Monthly Magazine – January 1897

      “The educated free labor of Massachusetts*, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….” Former US Treasurer and slave speculator Robert Walker writing in London in December 1863. The Continental Monthly – March 1864

      ‘Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery destroyed. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care for the laborer, while the European plan led by England, is for capital to control labor by controlling the wages…’ Bank of England circular sent to every bank in New York and New England in 1862, Imperial Washington (1922)

      “It is our conviction that monopolies are as destructive as competition is conservative of the principles and vitalities of republican Government; that slave labor is a monopoly which excludes free labor and competition; that slaves are kept in comparitive idleness and ease in a fertile half of our arable national territory, while free white laborers, constantly augmenting in numbers from Europe, are confined to the the other half and are often distressed by want; that the free white laborers of the North has more need of expansion into the Southern States, from which it is virtually excluded, than slavery had into Texas in 1846…” Excerpt of Proclamation by US Brigadier-General Phelps to the loyal people of the Southwest, Ship Island, Mississippi, December 4, 1861

      …the rise of the modern industrial system made wage slavery a more efficient agent of production than chattel slavery. Excerpt of the 1907 foreword to the book The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 (published in 1908)

      * The former US Treasurer and slave speculator Robert Walker, utilizing US census data for 1860, compared Massachusetts and South Carolina. Mass, the center of US industry at the time, and indeed, where it had gotten started, was heavily reliant upon ‘cheap labor’ imported from Canada and Europe…while meanwhile South Carolina was heavily reliant upon chattel slaves. In doing so he effectively calculated that cheap labor was four times more profitable than chattel slavery.

      Harper’s New Monthly Magazine – January 1897

      ‘American Finances and Resources’ – March 1864

      Imperial Washington pg 51-52 (1922)

      Report of Gulf Blockading Squadron – December 16, 1861 thru February 21, 1862

      The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 (1908)

      • Charles Frey's Gravatar Charles Frey
        August 21, 2017 - 9:22 am | Permalink

        T and R: Thanks for sharing your sources and perspectives; and the time that went into that.

        • T's Gravatar T
          August 21, 2017 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

          You’re welcome Frey. The entry regarding Robert Walker above does not state why he was in London in late 1863 and making the quoted calculations, calculations not likely to have made it into Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address made only a short time before in that same year as to why the men on both sides had to die there. He (Walker) was there on behalf of the US government (Union) to obtain financing for its war effort from London banks. You might also find of interest the third and fourth entries from the bottom of this thread posted at another site and linked just below that delve into ‘a tale of two cities’ that most have never heard of, the story of Lawrence, Massachusetts, nicknamed ‘Immigrant City’ and the deeply connected Lawrence, Kansas of ‘bloody Kansas’ fame, both cities whose construction was sponsored by the wealthy textile merchant Lawrence family of Boston. Oh, the Robert Walker fellow put his money where his pen was regarding those calculations and got himself selected governor of Kansas in 1857 in the midst of the violence taking place there. Privately financed guerilla armies, some complete with artillery, were fighting it out in Kansas over chattel and wage slavery, and were sponsored by southern plantation owners and northern industrialists respectively. This was a microcosm of the coming Civil War.

          You might find of interest as well Henry Seward’s March 1858 speech to the US Senate entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’ which outlines the history of the chattel and wage slavery systems and describes the US as being enmeshed in ‘a dynastical struggle of two antagonistical systems,’ bearing in mind again that he uses the terms of propaganda such as ‘labor of free men’ and ‘cheaper labor’ rather than the far more accurate term ‘wage slavery’.

          You’ll also find hard links to the five journals/books mentioned in the previous post of this thread a couple of entries above the same thread as the two posts referencing Lawrence linked just below from the other website.

          Pierre, the British Empire slave owners had far few fewer slaves than the US slave owners and were fully reimbursed by their government for their loss. The Southern slave owners had almost four million slaves and weren’t likely to be reimbursed. Even so, Virginia IIRC, came close to adopting the wage slavery system of the US North, which would of been genocide on the fast track for the non-slaving Virginia population rather than the slow track of chattel slavery. My suggestion to US as well non US citizens of European extraction would be to stop self identifying with the slave owners and dealers and their chattel and wage slavery systems and instead self identify with the nonslaving majority of the US population that has had to suffer historically with these slavery addicted elites that care more about their slaves than their own people, and whom have had a desperate need to separate themselves from them. I’d also suggest very much reading the telling The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 which is hardlinked in the thread linked below in the sixth entry from the bottom. Her family was one of the slave owning elites of the US South.

          https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_death_of_a_multi_racialist/

          http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=ABE5377

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 21, 2017 - 8:58 pm | Permalink

            … the British Empire slave owners had far fewer slaves than the US slave owners and were fully reimbursed by their government for their loss.

            Reimbursement is precisely the point, numbers notwithstanding. Implying its impossibility here in the States isn’t really an adequate response. For one thing, it takes no account of all of the other places in the Old World where slavery was ended peaceably. For another, it overlooks the remarkable efforts of the British to end slavery in Africa, where their bloodthirsty opponents included Jewish and Muslim slave traders and Africans themselves, many of whom still regard slavery as a perfectly acceptable way of dealing with people who aren’t their second cousins or closer kin. For still another, it fails to address the matter of South and Central America and the West Indies, the three New World venues to which literally 95 percent of the triangular Atlantic trade brought African slaves.* The Haitian revolution aside—actually it was more wholesale slaughter of whites than revolution, as well as the progenitor of a situation where conditions for many of the former slaves grew even worse than they had been under the slave system—the huge slave societies of the New World came to a gradual but complete end in the course of the nineteenth century.

            Are we to take it that Brazilians and Bolivians could do something that Americans, Northerners and Southerners working together, couldn’t do? Far better, I think, to begin an examination from a perspective of wouldn’t rather than couldn’t.
            __________
            *As I was the publisher’s editor of the Macmillan Encyclopedia of World Slavery (1998), I can step over to the bookcase and quote you chapter and verse on that percentage.

      • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
        August 21, 2017 - 11:14 am | Permalink

        … there is abundant evidence that the US Civil War of 1861–1865 was part of a larger global 18th and 19th century movement led by the British Empire and those powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish elites involved in slavery and its trade away from … chattel slavery … to the much more profitable and efficient wage slavery …

        Perhaps there is such evidence, but the few magazine citations offered as evidence are unpersuasive.

        Nothing in this comment addresses the plain fact that the British Empire and every other white society in the world managed to end chattel slavery without significant bloodshed; specifically, without killing 600,000 of its own people in a brutal war of aggression of the de facto rulers of the industrializing majority segment against the agrarian minority segment—i.e., the former’s breadbasket and marketplace.

        One needn’t be either friend or foe of (((British))) imperialism to see that the value of analysis is in direct proportion to its foundation in fact rather than ideology, no matter how attractive the latter may be, as it in this instance.

        One characterization of the War of Northern Aggression of which I am particularly fond came from Sam Francis (1947–2005), writing in Chronicles twenty or so years ago (I must paraphrase as I no longer have the hard copy and the online source is inaccessible to me for now). He called it a war in which 600,000 whites died so that 400,000 blacks could move from slavery to serfdom. The war was much else besides an occasion for data transfer, of course, but as a tool of the enemies of white Christian society, it was one hell of a way to get the ball rolling.

        • T's Gravatar T
          August 22, 2017 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

          Pierre, I didn’t imply it was impossible regarding reimbursement, just that it wasn’t likely, and that was the belief or concern of many of the slave owners themselves that was reported at that time. I don’t know why that didn’t happen as to their reimbursent…I wasn’t there nor was anyone else that might know the inner thoughts of both sides as to why it wasn’t worked out. As to ‘overlooking’ the British chattel slave suppression, nothing was overlooked but rather I would suppose not addressed as it had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Regarding that chattel slave trade suppression, though, it might be suggested it was a cynical action of the Empire in that they were suppressing unwanted competition to their wage slave system, where due to the shear volume of those exploited and preyed upon they are actually stealing far more labor than the chattel slavers could ever hope to.

          Anyhow, I don’t really wish to argue with you Pierre and we might simply have to agree to disagree on certain aspects of this.

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 23, 2017 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

            As I must, it seems, agree to disagree (1) that separating the inseparable is OK, (2) that creating or repeating hard-left sociopolitical hypotheses with little or no evidentiary basis is OK, (3) and that axiomatic, dogmatic Marxist/neo-Marxist “analysis,” which ipso facto refuses to accept the validity or even possibility of conduct actuated by Christian doctrinal, moral, and ethical concerns, is OK, then I do so.

            Put more soberly, T, what troubles me about your slavery theses is that their appeal, enhanced by the marked attractiveness of your expression, masks a poison, one whose proper effects (intended or otherwise) are misdirection and needless intramural division. My primary hope here has been to persuade a handful of readers (if that many pay me any heed!) that this discussion or argument or whatever is about a matter of rather more import than whether two gentlemen are prepared to agree to disagree that the moon is made of green cheese.

            Pax tecum.

            ——

            (Mod. Note: without *naming* any particular TOO commenter, I’d like to call attention to the VERY IMPORTANT observation “Pierre” makes above: “…needless intramural division…”. For commenters who have asked why certain comments are not approved, many such “non-approvals” are due to “needless intramural division” in the comment.)

    • Stritchplatte's Gravatar Stritchplatte
      August 21, 2017 - 6:24 am | Permalink

      Ezra Pound had a some interesting comments on the (((Civil War))) You can find them in his long Canto.

      • T's Gravatar T
        August 24, 2017 - 11:16 pm | Permalink

        Still fighting the Civil War, eh, Pierre? I’ll have to ‘agree to disagree’ with just about everything you posted there and I do that without alluding that your arguments might be Marxist, Capitalist, or even possibly Multi-culturalists. And I do so without attempting to shut down your right of expression of thought by labelling it as ‘poisonous’ or conspiring at ‘misdirection’ and creating ‘needless intramural division’. I do agree with you the importance of the subject though as to understanding causes for the war which I submit had at its roots the 18th century creation of the ‘wage slavery’ system (which was simply the monetization of chattel slavery, retaining most of its negative traits, and typically characterised with ‘immigration’ and called often by the all too nice sounding term ‘cheap labor’, a term of propaganda) by the merchandisers and dealers of chattel slaves, ie the direct political and spiritual forebears of today’s self-described ‘progressive’ liberals in places such as Massachusetts and the US northeast, and the clash between it and the entrenched chattel slave system in the southern portion of the country. As for evidence I presented plenty and that was ultimately just scratching the surface of what is out there.

        What better evidence could there be than the calculations of the northern elite, the former US treasurer Robert Walker, when in London in 1863 whilst seeking to obtain financing for the US (Union) war effort or the words of a southern slave holding elite, a member of one of ‘the privileged 4000 families’ that ruled there? As your comments didn’t seem to address directly much of what I said and rather contained much inuendo is it that perhaps that I might be right that bothers you most, in that both sides in that unfortunate war were morally dubious and not worthy of the general non-slaving public’s support, then or now?

        The educated free labor of Massachusetts*, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina….” Former US Treasurer and slave speculator Robert Walker writing in London in December 1863. The Continental Monthly – March 1864

        Our Southern States, being still in the agricultural stage, on account of our practical monopoly of the world’s chief textile staple, were the last of the great civilized nations to find chattel slavery less profitable than wage slavery, and hence the “great moral crusade” of the North against the perverse and unregenerate South. It was a pure case of economic determinism, which means that our great moral conflict reduces itself, in the last analysis, to a question of dollars and cents, though the real issue was so obscured by other considerations that we of the South honestly believe to this day that we were fighting for States Rights, while the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave. from the foreward of the book The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 (1908)

        • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
          August 25, 2017 - 6:42 am | Permalink

          Are you suggesting that Lincoln’s own words, stating that preserving the Union, with or without slavery, are meaningless? The “great moral crusade”, with the political ploy of the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed no slaves in the Northern States, hoped to induce a slave revolt to draw troops away from the front lines. It didn’t happen.
          Are slave freeling Lee’s words meaningless, when he stated that the North’s actions on tariffs and interfering in states’ rights for 12 years led to the secession?
          The economic assumptions of your examples, while politically accurate, are not practically accurate. Efficiency of production in industrialized industries does not equate to efficiency of production in agrarian industries. The productivity of a miner or factory worker cannot be compared to the productivity of a cotton or fruit picker. By the way, when has an economist ever been 100% correct?

          • Barkingmad's Gravatar Barkingmad
            August 25, 2017 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

            No, economists cannot ever be correct in any meaningful sense of that word, because they are fixated on numbers, quantities and lucre, and not much else, after all is said and done. Indeed, I’d say that’s an accurate description of our “culture” as a whole. Economists, along with our, ahem, “leaders”, are apparently happy as pigs in mud when everyone has a “job”. Those jobs could consist of cleaning porta potties all day for low wages, or doing performance art that offends anyone with 2 brains to rub together – it makes no difference. Economists are a low form of life.

          • Curmudgeon's Gravatar Curmudgeon
            August 26, 2017 - 2:43 pm | Permalink

            Well, the “leaders” and most economists might be happy, but the “owners” aren’t. A drop in UN-employment is usually met with a selloff on Wall Street. As for the jobs, there is dignity in all work that needs to be done. Do you think that without mass 3rd world immigration emptying port-a-potties would be low paid?

          • T's Gravatar T
            August 27, 2017 - 9:31 pm | Permalink

            I’m not saying their words, such as Lee’s, were meaningless and that they didn’t sincerely believe them, but am suggesting they were likely engaging in self deception as to cause for the war. As for Lincoln, as great as an orator as he may well have been, he was still a politician, and it almost goes without saying that all too often they will say what they think gets the widest support at that moment, whether or not it is reflective of actual intentions or concrete actions they may take. Robert Walker, the former US treasurer and the Lincoln administration’s representative seeking loans from London banks for the North in the critical war year of 1863 certainly wasn’t supporting preservation of the Union with chattel slavery intact. I’d think that was a bit more reflective of Lincoln’s intentions more so than a speech aimed at perhaps pleasing the widest voting audience. As for one hundred percent accuracy and economist, well, that’s generally true of most professional fields. I’ve pondered the comparing of industrial production with agricultural production being difficult however Walker did take time to explore the nuances of both industrial and agricultural production in his December 1863 letter which was published in the March 1864 article linked below. Those economic calculations made by Walker comparing Massachusetts productive efficiency, heavily reliant upon imported wage slavery, with that of South Carolina, heavily reliant upon chattel slavery, and made only two weeks after Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, were not the type of thing likely to have made it into Lincoln’s speech, though I think they were actually much more reflective of the truth as to why the men on both sides had to die on those Pennsylvania fields as compared to Lincoln’s flowery words. Who would want to admit something like that to themselves and wouldn’t likely engage in self deception? Wealthy industrialists, in an age of nascent monopoly, such as the textiles magnate Lawrence family of Boston, whom financed both the construction of Lawrence, Mass (officially nicknamed ‘Immigrant City’ to this day) and Lawrence, KS, of ‘bleeding Kansas’ infamy certainly likely believed such calculations and it likely would have gauled them that inefficient chattel slave driven southern cotton production was cutting into the maximation of their textiles profits. It was industrialists such as the Lawrence’s whom financed John Brown’s raids into Kansas and at Harper’s Ferry.

            Abbott Lawrence, not at all coincidentally, got himself appointed US ambassador to the UK in about 1850, of which famine stricken Ireland made for easy prey and whose population was a major supplier of wage slaves for his textile factories in Massachusetts. I’ve linked a thread from another site which provides the history of the Lawrence family and of the deeply interconnected Lawrence KS and Lawrence Mass just below the Walker link. It is the third and forth entries from the bottom of the linked thread.

            The Irish during the Famine years of 1847 – 1851 lost one million of its population it is estimated due to starvation. And while they were certainly open to real help they did not consider their predation enmasse as wage slaves to places such as the US, Australia, and Canada, to be acts of kindness or of help. The London Times in a glowing 1851editorial wrote of Ambassador Lawrence’s grand tour of Ireland that year and that as a direct result of the Irish people’s predation as a source of cheap labor (they were then losing a quarter million a year due to this exploitation totalling a one million population loss between 1847-1851, on top of the one million lost to starvation those same years) declared that the Irish people would soon be ‘known no more’. This editorial of the Times is detailed in the just mentioned Lawrence posts on the linked thread. Something that didn’t quite make it into The Gangs of New York movie or into the history books, the Irish, most of whom spoke English by the 1850’s, did not refer to their enmasse predation as wage slaves (ie ‘cheap laborer’s so called) as ‘mass immigration’ but considered it quite rightly as an act of base hostility and indifference to them, as well as genocidal, and commonly referred to it as ‘extermination’ which was detailed in a London newspaper article from 1847 which I’ve linked below and which was entitled ‘Extermination and Vengeance’. British landlords in Ireland were paying the way for great masses of their tenants who couldn’t under the conditions pay rent to leave Ireland to the United States, probably in most instances be to be wage slaves (ie cheap laborers so called) in places such as Lawrence’s textile mills. The Irish were conducting a campaign of assassination specifically to stop the promotion of such which the article details. One year there had been Irish in great numbers all over the country, the next due to their predation as wage slaves, there were large sections of the country where there weren’t any more Irish, most to never be seen again, just as has been the case with swathes of Central America, Eastern Europe, and not coincidentally Africa regarding chattel slavery. I’ve included a last link below to the September 1851 London Times editorial entitled ‘The American Minister in Ireland’ which describes the US Ambassador’s tour of Ireland and does so in very multicultural terminology and declares that the Irish are to be replaced within Ireland by those past ‘immigrants’ to Ireland (those of the north) which it describes in slavery like terms as being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and ‘ which will ‘submit to a master’, something as entirely fitting as people such as Abbott Lawrence of Massachusetts not only owned chattel slaves, but largely directed their trade and merchandising in British colonial North America, and would be the ones to develop and implement the wage slave system to replace chattel slavery in the US beginning in the latter 18th century. These unrecorded slavers at the high levels pushing multiculturalism see the modern wage slave immigrants’ similarly as the Times saw the people brought to the north of Ireland, whether of the H1 visa sort or much more likely unskilled laborer, both paid below prevailing/living wage standards, as their slaves. And being a slave is the role the typical ‘immigrant’ performs in the multicultural society.

            http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=cont;cc=cont;rgn=full%20text;idno=cont0005-3;didno=cont0005-3;view=image;seq=00255;node=cont0005-3%3A1

            https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_death_of_a_multi_racialist/

            http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;g=moagrp;xc=1;q1=Extermination%20and%20vengeance;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0016-3;didno=livn0016-3;node=livn0016-3%3A1;view=image;seq=0147

            http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0031-7;didno=livn0031-7;view=image;seq=00296;node=livn0031-7%3A1

        • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
          August 25, 2017 - 12:37 pm | Permalink

          T, you and Georgia Girl can repeat endlessly that “the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave”: it will still never be true before, during, or after the war. Nowadays it would take mere minutes for any serious man to discover how divisive and controversial the war was and how unanimity (or anything resembling it) on any aspect of its waging simply did not exist—”Clement Vallandigham, call your office”—even in New England, then the heartland of Northern bloodthirstiness.

          Nor is there any more truth in your claim/sneer that many if not most in the South were not truly concerned with states’ rights. The fact that Lincoln declared states’ rights a dead letter—by deciding that withdrawal from the contract known as the Constitution had grown a clause or penumbra prohibiting it—and that the South was treated as conquered territory post-bellum through 1876 (a curious contradiction for states that hadn’t actually seceded according to Lincoln’s statements and “reasoning”) may be of little interest to you, but it is to others, especially those others who prefer facts to ideology.

          Contra factum non valet argumentum: Marxists exempt themselves from that old rule of logic, don’t they?

          • T's Gravatar T
            August 27, 2017 - 4:58 pm | Permalink

            Careful, Pierre, you’re entering into the realm of argumentum ad hominem with certain of your comments, which I’d think beneath you. You see, others can speak a bit of Latin too.

            Anyhow, to clarify some, though she used the term ‘Georgia Girl’ in the title of her book, she was a fully grown adult woman of 24 and 25 when she was writing her war time journal and there was no snear involved with my quoting the slave holding elite’s statement indicating state’s rights’ to be a sincerely believed self deception on the part of slave owners as to primary cause for the war which they then had to convince their hangers on and non-slaving holding majority population to sincerely believe as well, something they largely succeeded in doing. After all, that majority would be doing the bulk of the fighting. Similarly, northern elites and their hangers on whom were pushing the wage slave system (also known far less accurately as ‘cheap labor’, a term of propaganda, the very basis of today’s ideology of multiculturalism) had to convince themselves and their majority non-wage-slave participating population of their self deception that the war was about ‘freeing the slave’ or ‘preserving the union’, etc. ‘States rights’ then so as to preserve chattel slavery and have the right of expanding it to other states. ‘Preserve the Union’ so northeastern elites (the very ones who not only owned chattel slaves themselves but largely ran the show as to chattel slave and its trade in British colonial North America) would be able to maximize the profits of their investments by introducing the less cumbersome and costly wage slavery into such things amongst others as cotton production to feed their textile mills. After all, who would knowingly/consciously have fought for (and all too often died for) either chattel or wage slavery which are both systems of systematic labor theft from broken and defeated peoples that is first immoral, drives down and depresses one’s wages, and ultimately displaces and genocides you, the latter slavery system on the fast track, without believing lies? That this majority did tolerate and ultimately fight for these two slavery systems and to this day have failed to squarely address succesfully, let alone separate themseves from these slavery addicted elites and their hangers on, whom driven by self centeredness and pure greed will do anything but pay the prevailing (aka ‘living wage) to their own, does not exactly reflect well on the largely Anglo-Saxon population of the Civil War era or the majority population of the US today. One ought to bear in mind, the essence of slavery is simply the systematic theft of the value of an individual’s labor and not whether they are of a particular race or in chains which were sometimes peripheral characteristics of chattel slavery historically, and that not all the labor is ever stolen as there is in both chattel and wage slavery significant ‘overhead’ costs such as food and clothing expenses which must be borne by the one’s engaging in this sordid business. With wage slavery there is generally a smaller ‘hit’ of stolen labor per capita the slaver is getting as compared to chattel, however, that the wage slave is under the illusion they are not having their labor systematically stolen from them, unlike the chattel, today’s wage slaver does likely get greater productivity. Due to shear volume (ie fifty thousand chattel transported worldwide at the heighth of the slave trade in the latter 18th century as opposed to three million wage slaves imported into the US alone in 2005 alone by way of a deliberately uncontrolled southern border, a far greater amount of labor is being stolen today as compared to the past with consequently much greater social harm.

            Sad to say, then, but…instead of taking the unpleasant chemo-therapy of a true abolition of slavery which was needed for the cure, people in all too many instances, and in all too many places, instead bought the snake oil of ‘cheap labor’ sold to them by the slavers, a fraudulent medicine whose seemingly soothing balm manages to cover up some of the worst of the outer eruptions, but meanwhile allows for the cancerous scourge of slavery and its effects to metastisize inwardly throughout the body politic, threatening the very life of the patient himself.

            By the way, Virginia in the decades prior to the Civil War came quite close to adopting the wage slave system of the US northern states, what is the basis of the ideology of multiculturalism today, and only failed to so out of concern for a guaranteed reimbursement for the loss of their slaves. The woman whom I quoted from that was a member of the slave holding ‘priviliged 4000 families’ that ruled over the US south concluded that the north was right and that wage slavery was indeed the way to go. So, even had the southern slave holding elites been fully reimbursed for the loss of their slaves the majority European population of the US would still be in the same predicament it finds itself in today regarding genocidal multiculturalism. Both northern and southern elites and hangers on, with their divided loyalties between their slaves and their own, and pushing their respective wage and chattel slave systems only ‘cared’ about their own as far as they could be used to fight for their slave systems. That is why I believe that when violence became unavoidable in 1861 the guns should of been turned on these unworthy slaving elites and their hangers on, north and south, and not upon each other, the non-slaving vast majority.

            (Thanks both site moderator and owner for having allowed this discussion to have taken place as I think it is an extremely important subject.)

          • Pierre de Craon's Gravatar Pierre de Craon
            August 28, 2017 - 10:20 am | Permalink

            T: I leave it to others to decide whether I have skirted the ad hominem in my responses to what you have written. Nor shall I plead guilty to pretension for citing a Latin expression whose utter aptness alone has made it almost as familiar to many habitués of this site—indeed to most who have been properly schooled—as “argumentum ad hominem” is.

            Your clarification of Georgia Girl’s age is irrelevant for several reasons, not the least of them being (1) that information about her is hardly well concealed—indeed, a five-minute Web search will allow anyone not already in the know to unearth her age; and further, (2) that if a person’s powers of moral and intellectual discernment peak in the mid-twenties, the way to bet is that he or she died at that point or else lost cognitive function in one way or other.

            There is much else I might say, but especially as you pass over in silence Curmudgeon’s pointed and in many ways unanswerable comment on what you wrote above, I shall leave it at this: coherence, insight, factuality, and evidentiary weight are neither equatable with length of commentary nor are they necessarily functions of such length.

            Apropos which, surely—though I risk another reprimand in so speaking—verbum sapienti satis est.

  22. Doug's Gravatar Doug
    August 20, 2017 - 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Do any of these Antifa people have names?

    • T's Gravatar T
      August 29, 2017 - 2:18 am | Permalink

      Pierre, this is why I generally don’t care to get into debates or arguments as after spending quite a bit of energy they for the most part don’t change people’s already formed opinions, people get upset and offended, a person will say you didn’t respond to something when you believe you did (such as myself responding to Curmudgeon), and then too there is often a lot of emotionalism mixed in responses as well.

      Look at what I’ve experienced…I’ve had allusions made that I was a Marxist, that I was conspiring to spread poison and misdirection, I’ve had Latin spoken at me, and to top it off I was accused of having sneared.

      As something of an aside in this anyone wishing to borrow my concept of what should have happened in the nearly impossible position people were put into at the beginning of the Civil War of 1861 is welcome to, it’s not copyrighted, ie that the guns should of been turned on the chattel and wage slave promoters of the north and south rather than upon each other, the non-slavery participating vast majority of the country. If people were lucky, maybe a few hundred would have died, perhaps more realistically several thousand. Most of these slaving elites and hangers on would of surrendered pretty quickly had they been so confronted by their own. A true abolition of slavery could have taken place, both its chattel and wage slavery variants could have been eradicated. Peoplehood could have been established which is just not comparable with slavery of the wage or chattel type. Bad enough as to deaths, but a whole lot better than the 600,000 that did die in the actual catastrophe that took place and which resulted in the wage slavery system we now have which is the basis of the ideology of multiculturalism. By saying and believing such it allows a person to confront squarely the self-described ‘progressive’ and ‘liberal’ whose direct political and spiritual forebears not only owned chattel slaves, but largely directed the slave trade in British North America and the Carribean. They do so today in effect with its monetized variant of the same, the wage slave aka ‘cheap labor’ system.

      Anyway, Pierre, yes I’ll just have to agree to disagree with you about this.

  23. Bob's Gravatar Bob
    August 20, 2017 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Look we are going to be attacked by the (((MSM))) as “nazis” and “anti-semites” regardless of what we actually do or say, so would suggest that we stop trying to refute such charges. We should be focused on pressing home our attacks on Jewish power and stressing our narrative over the Jewish narrative that now dominates us.

    Every word wasted in futile attempts to refute the charges of “racist” and “nazi” is a missed opportunity to hammer away at our message. Attack! Attack! Attack! Keep driving home attacks on Jewish power. We want everyone to be talking about Jewish power, not whether or not we are “nazis”.

    The (((MSM))) has been seriously wounded by the exposing of their excesses and criminality. Their credibility is at an all time low, the iron is hot, this is the time to come out forcefully to expose Jewish power and make this the issue…and this is a very easy case to make. All we need is to keep finding ways to reach our audience…and keep hammering away.

  24. Stritchplatte's Gravatar Stritchplatte
    August 21, 2017 - 6:19 am | Permalink

    The “Freespeach Rally’s” must be done in a TACTICAL manner. At the Boston rally the WHITE MEN were gone when the anti-intelligence rioters showed up. No preparations were made to counter the traitor cops action in SC. Methods to avoid confrontations with the idiots must be worked out. If the morons can’t yell in a WHITE MANS face or throw a bag of shit at WHITE WOMEN but we get to have a rally it will frustrate them. Screw the permits, have a ten minute rally of 10,100,500, 5,000 and bug out. Show up while the stupid cops are suiting up or have the meeting the day before. Let the stupid communists make all their preparations and spend all the money and let the antiintellect do all the damage. If no WHITE MEN are there the idiot left will fight each other. Thats another idea, how do we set the left up for their own division? Agent provocateurs from the right pay a visit to their meetings?
    The jew has been doing the same thing for thousands of years. The current situation is no different than Russia 1905 or 1917. They do the same thing over and over because it works.

  25. Michael Adkins's Gravatar Michael Adkins
    August 21, 2017 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    We have two political parties that have lead us into continuous war. Perhaps re-branding the American Freedom Party as the only “peace party” could be a solution.

    • T. J.'s Gravatar T. J.
      August 21, 2017 - 12:22 pm | Permalink

      We have (((one political party))) that has led us into continuous war.

      That party is the (((international monetary hegemon)))- world bank, bank for international settlements, international monetary fund, bank of England, The Federal Reserve Bank, and so on.

      ———

      (Mod. Note: to “everyone”, enough of this “grammar ‘nazi'” crap. Polite corrections to aid understanding are acceptable, but gross name-calling is not. Basta!)

  26. jeff's Gravatar jeff
    August 22, 2017 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Ada white gay man i HATE RACISTS, BIGOTS, FEAR MONGERS, MYTH MAKERS AND LIARS that so many of you are. Your views reveal just how small monded and ignorant you are. And this gay man would love to beat down some of your straight asses showing you we take care of ourselves and our friends. Cowards is what you are!

    —–

    (Mod. Note: if “jeff” isn’t doing standup ironic comedy here; this could be interesting.)

    • Franklin Ryckaert's Gravatar Franklin Ryckaert
      August 23, 2017 - 4:59 am | Permalink

      I always thought gay means “merry”, but you are not merry at all !
      How come you are so sad ?
      And you are so full of HATE ! Why not be TOLERANT of those with different opinions from yours ? And you are calling for VIOLENCE ! Aren’t you a case for the SPLC to be placed on its HATE MAP ? I will report to Morris Dees !

    • George Kocan's Gravatar George Kocan
      August 23, 2017 - 7:18 am | Permalink

      Looks like you hate the Democrat Party. Join the club.

  27. John Walton's Gravatar John Walton
    August 25, 2017 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    Here’s the good accomplished by Unite the Right: In its wake the left has gone on a rampage. In other words, the water around the frog has been brought quickly to a boil and we’ll see if the frog jumps out. Don’t confuse the opinions of Antifa with those of the 63-31 white male majority who voted for Trump. In Chomsky’s view, Antifa is “A gift to the right” and represents “a tiny fringe.” Why does it take a lefty like Chomsky to remind us of what we should be able to figure out for ourselves? Are we “cucks”?

    • RoyAlbrecht's Gravatar RoyAlbrecht
      August 26, 2017 - 9:00 am | Permalink

      This has been brought to my attention in Iceland. The mere thought of Hate Crimes (or similar such laws by different names) existing in most Western countries is an anathema to even the most mentally challenged Icelander. Yet after years, or I might be able to argue decades, of having to watch my back at every turn it has taken me four years to finally start to readjust to trusting the people around me again.
      Many of the leading thinkers of the newly minted Alt-right have been battling similar forces for decades.
      IMO, some of their/our/my perceptions are so entrenched that we are having a difficult time readjusting to the new normal. A normal where We are not only no longer relegated to the fringes and need to be prepared to battle for every inch of movement forward we make, but we are now occasionally on the receiving end of law enforcement protection and it is the Anti-fa who are on the run.
      Moreover, where we were once begging for money just to stay afloat, the tables have turned so that we are finding ourselves with adequate and increasing funds and it is the Fake news of the Jews who are starting to have to beg for donations to keep afloat.

      Human beings are creatures of habit. The tables have turned and we are still trying to get used to this new reality.

  28. David Ashton's Gravatar David Ashton
    August 25, 2017 - 2:24 pm | Permalink

    This native-born Englishman would welcome informed native-born American comments on Lochlainn Seabrook’s books about Slavery, and the Confederate cause, before comments close.

    As for DWEM statues coming down, we have had General Franco, and are awaiting Captain Cook, Cecil Rhodes, Francis Drake and Horatio Nelson.

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