Dovid Katz’s article in The Guardian “Halting Holocaust Obfuscation” is yet another example of Jewish intellectual activists with access to the media attempting to control historical memory in a way that highlights Jewish suffering and presents Jewish behavior as nothing more than innocent victimhood. Katz is determined to disallow any equivalence between the horrors inflicted on the populations of Eastern Europe by the Germans and by the Soviets. He condemns Polish MEP Michal Kaminski, linking to this article, for bringing up Jewish behavior in the Jedwabne incident in which Jews were murdered during the German occupation of Poland during WWII:
One of the participants in the 2001 meeting, Maria Mazurczyk, told us: “I think that Mr Kaminski, like us, wanted everything to be revealed: the times before the war when things were good – and the time of the Soviet occupation when the Jews didn’t respect their Polish neighbours – and later the effect of all this.”
At the time Kaminski condemned Poles who’d killed Jews – though he suggested the massacre was principally carried out by Germans. But it appears his principal concern was with alleged Jewish guilt. Anna Bikont of the liberal Polish daily Gazeta Wyborcza, who spent much time in Jedwabne in 2001 while researching a book, says: “Mr Kaminski came to the place where an incredible crime was committed – and he told not about the women, children, old people who died in this horrible manner, but he told about Jews who collaborated with Soviets and who killed Poles.”
Would a British politician who’d behaved in a similar way survive in the mainstream of British politics?
Probably not. But that’s only because mentioning Jewish behavior as contributing in even the slightest way to anti-Jewish attitudes is off limits, even if they collaborated with the Soviets against the Poles or against the Baltic peoples. The following is from a review of Alexandr Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together (italicized quotes are translations of Solzhenitsyn):
“Everyone was listening intently to determine if the Germans were already on the way.”
In June and July of 1941 those living in the regions of eastern Poland occupied by the Red Army – Polish farmers, the bourgeoisie, the clergy, ex-soldiers, and intellectuals – all awaited the invasion of German troops. This quote is from the Polish Jewish historian J. Gross, author of the book Neighbors: The Murder of the Jews of Jedwabne.Solzhenitsyn explains why Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Belorussians, Bukowina-, and Moldava-Romanians could hardly wait for the Germans to invade.
Pursuant to his central thesis, Solzhenitsyn writes that without the high Jewish presence among the leaders and executioners of the Bolshevik dictatorship, Lenin’s newly born Soviet state would have been at an end, at the latest, by the time of the Kronstadt Sailors Rebellion in 1921. Solzhenitsyn examines specific decisive questions, as for example: Why, in the period 1939-41, did such a large percentage of Jewry in eastern Poland, Galicia, and in the Baltic States collaborate with the Red Army, Stalin’s secret police, and Bolshevism in general? And why did the pogroms in these regions take place under the slogan “Revenge for the Soviet Occupation”? Solzhenitsyn:
“In eastern Poland, which had been incorporated in the Soviet Union in September 1939, the Jews, especially the younger generation, welcomed the invading Red Army with frenetic jubilation. Whether in Poland, Bessarabia, Lithuania, or Bukowina, the Jews were the main support of Soviet power. The newspapers report that the Jews are enthusiastically supporting the establishment of Communist rule.” (p. 329)
In that fateful year a Polish Jew who had emigrated to France prophesized that the non-Jews who had been subjugated to Bolshevism would one day exact a fearful war of vengeance. In 1939 Stanislav Ivanowich, a left socialist sympathetic to the Soviet Union, warned:
“Should the dictatorship of the Bolsheviks end one day, the collapse will be accompanied by the atavistic, barbaric passions of Jew hate and violence. The collapse of Soviet power would be a terrible catastrophe for Jewry; today Soviet rule equates to Judeophilia.” (p. 310)
See here for a comment on the distortions of Jan Gross’s Neighbors which attempts to blame the massacre solely on the irrational anti-Semitism of Poles. This compilation notes, among other things, that “There was significant collaboration on the part of some Jedwabne Jews with the Soviet invaders from 1939 to June 1941; the victims were primarily the town’s Polish population, several hundred of whom were deported to the Gulag.”
When a significant percentage of people from an alien ethnic group support an invader and collaborate in the deportation of people from one’s own ethnic group, it is not at all surprising that there would be reprisals when there is a shift of power; nor would be be surprising if the reprisals were directed all Jews, not just the ones known to collaborate or sympathize. That’s how our evolved psychology of ethnic competition works.
I notice in my notes that Checinski (1982, 9) writes that “even then [in 1943] there was an attempt to rationalize this blind hatred [of Jews] by recalling the ‘improper’ attitude of the Jewish population in eastern Poland towards the Bolsheviks in September 1939 when the Soviet army, in connivance with the Nazis, occupied their territories.” Checinski also notes that immediately after WWII Jews welcomed the Soviet army and the new regime “with favor if not with outright enthusiasm” and that “the small Jewish community was seen by friends and foes alike as one of the mainstays of the Soviet sponsored regime. This only further alienated it from the great majority of the Polish population” (p. 8). This comment is highly compatible with Jaff Schatz’s (1991) treatment which I discuss extensively in Ch. 3 of Culture of Critique. It is interesting that American Jewish representatives visiting Poland after the war presented the new Polish regime as “a paragon of liberalism and tolerance, unequaled in Eastern Europe” (Checinski, p. 11).
To conclude, anti-Jewish attitudes in Eastern Europe had a basis in the real behavior of Jews. No doubt the events of 1939 and thereafter were influenced by traditional grievances between Poles and Jews, but actual Jewish behavior during this period is also relevant. Jews were correctly perceived as more welcoming to the Soviets after the 1939 invasion and as more loyal to the Communist regime and as willing executioners of the remnants of Polish nationalism after 1945. (As I and others have noted, the common denominator of the behavior of Diaspora Jews in European countries has been to oppose nationalist movements; further, during this period, Jews throughout Europe and in America saw communism as good for the Jews at least partly because Jews had become an elite in the USSR and the USSR had outlawed anti-Semitism.)
The situation was exacerbated by the fact that Jews were also highly placed in the government and in the security forces. Under these circumstances, social identity theory predicts that Poles would develop the well-attested stereotype of “zydokomuna” (Judeo-Communism) and exaggerate the differences between themselves and all Jews in Poland. It simply reflects typical ethnic conflict that has gone on throughout the ages — nothing more than a reflection of our evolved psychology.
In the West, Jewish activists have had a relatively easy time erecting the image of innocent Jews and evil Nazis as a complete explanation of the events of World War II. This message is much more difficult in Eastern Europe where there is a collective memory of collaboration of Jews with the horrors of communism and in the extermination of nationalist elements of the non-Jewish population.
Facing the Future as a Minority
From a Jewish perspective, this has to be the lesser of two evils. If they behave like everyone else (particularly those they pretend to be, Europeans), they sit there and take the lumps and run the risk of allowing Europeans to re-establish their racial nervous system unopposed. If they act like an ant hive poked with a stick, they oppose Europeans re-establishing their racial nervous system, but they lose their ethnic camouflage.
There’s nothing more salient in this context than the wide gulf between Euros and Jews. Dump on the Anglo-Saxon, he agrees with you. Dump on the Jew, he’s at your throat. Nothing else screams “not us!” like this does.
Yes the Soviets killed so many people in their bit of Poland that they killed even more than the Nazis did in their own (up until the Nazi Soviet war started). And no doubt it is true Poles were subjected to a reign of terror and directed by informants who included many Jews; when the Soviets left the Jewish community was attacked by Poles as a result.
Nonetheless, WW2 mass killings of Jews make this different to episodes such as the Ukranian famine and Soviet mass murders (one pit with 80,000 bodies in the Urals filled with families who were taken from their apartments and shot). Discussing the less than inspiring role of Jews in Soviet occupied Eastern Europe from a Polish nationalist perspective is fraught with the danger of being misunderstood in the light of the whole Jewish community having subsequently suffered as they did under the Nazis.
In short I don’t think attention to this subject will redound to our cause’s advantage because people won’t hear or understand what you’re trying to get across.
Getting young minds to read these articles will forever give them a fresh perspective on these negative influences and how there generation will root out the agenda of this hostile foriegn invader.
Thanks again, Kevin, for bringing up and discussing what really happened in Eastern Europe during this time period. This is information that most people in the West are totally ignorant of, and need to know. This goes double for WN’s or those following the JQ. It is a revelation of what can happen anywhere where Jews have influence, and how nasty the consequences may be.
The fact of the matter is, that right now, wealthy Jews like George Soros and Haim Saban (one of Bill Clinton’s “friends”) are buying up the media in Poland, Hungary and other Jew-wise countries in order to deactivate the racial radar of the local populations.
A book on this theme about the Hungarian uprising of 1956 was recently in the news on IHR. The book “Uprising!” by David Irving, which has never been published in the US. He claims that the ethnic Hungarians involved in the uprising, when interviewed by a sociologist, claimed to have seen it as “primarily an uprising against Jews.” Irving says that “it started as an antisemitic pogrom.” There is an online version of the book on that website, which I have not read in entirety. Just FYI for those who were not aware of this.
Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together
The book was published in French and German in 2002-2003, but there is no English translation to date.
Why? Because he talks about the jews.
THAT is the power of the Gatekeeper.
Of course Bela Kun was a saint or something.
As was Solomon Morel, living large in Tel Aviv btw.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p149_Williams.html
The End of the Romanoffs: Nicholas, Alexandra, & Their Children
I found it interesting that the Nytimes didn’t censor this piece. East Asians just don’t seem to get the taboo:
“And yet these groups often spent their lives apart. Two-thirds of Catholic children in New York City from the 1940s through the ’60s attended parish schools, while about 95 percent of Jewish children attended public ones. Separate youth organizations, professional clubs and even veterans groups highlighted the uniqueness of each group.
Dr. Zeitz summarized his book’s thesis:
Many second- and third-generation Jews, throughout the 20th century, as they fought for political power, placed disputativeness and radicalism and liberalism at the heart of their identity. In coming to politics from this viewpoint, they tended to clash with Italian and Irish Catholics who emphasized order, social hierarchy and an allegiance to an organic sense of community.
The political and social struggles of the era were, about “not just power, passion and privilege,” Dr. Zeitz argued, but ideology. For instance, when Mayor John V. Lindsay, a white Protestant and a Republican, faced a re-election challenge in 1969 from Mario A. Procaccino, an Italian Catholic, Mr. Lindsay tried to court voters by highlighting the theme of his own dissent on the Vietnam War — and “the right and obligation of people to protest against an unjust war.”
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/white-ethnic-politics-irish-and-italian-catholics-and-jews-oh-my/
It’s not just historical memory; it’s also how things are framed
This was a point I tried to make to Ian over at ‘White America’:
“The only reason people see ‘right’ as bad is because they see groups as good, that is, because they naturally think in rightist terms. In a Liberal-Leftist or individualist frame, genocide or ethnocide is no different than the all to common democide — how possibly can associations between genocide/ethnocide and the right be used to criticize the right as right? ”
Somehow Nationalists, Rightists, and Conservatives find it mortifying when Leftists and Liberals — or TROLLs (TROLLS: They’re Really Opportunistic Liberal-Leftists) — bring up genocide, slavery, or Imperialism, and the particular sufferings of some people and a reason against maintaining yours. Which makes no sense, since your average “Liberal” and “socialist” is the one giving the sermons about the virtue of transcending group identity and particular person-hood. Well, my friends…
Anyways, when you’re talking to your “groups don’t matter, all people count the same — Liberal, socialist,” here are some numbers:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm And be sure to remind her to transcend her petty group-thinking if she makes a “but what about the (Fill in the blank)” claim.
found this online, tells of jewish youth proclaiming to be new masters in the country…
A “JEW-COMMUNIST” STEREOTYPE IN LITHUANIA, 1940-1941
http://www.tspmi.vu.lt/public_files/file_1204535793.pdf
Where are the Historians in America? Why are they silent? If Katz wrote this article in The Guardian then what is the response of all the other writers at the Guardian? What is keeping them from complaining? I’m more interested in the reaction to these things that Jews are doing or the failure to react.
I said previously that with any luck God would send a fatal Jew flu and someone jumped down my throat and told me I shouldn’t say such things because that would give our enemies the opportunity to label this blog as a racist, White Supremacist site.
But the articles that we are responding to are all about race, Tiger Woods and the negative traits of the black race, Jewish behavior etc. I read long, long ago that Jews were working on bio/chemical warfare so that they could release certain chemicals which if released would wipe out all the people on the Earth with the targeted genes. So the idea of a Jew flu is not something I made up. We should probably think seriously about it because there is no doubt in my mind that this is something the Jews would do.
But the point I’m trying to get to is that the behavior we should be most concerned about is the behavior of White people. Whites’ thinking is such that the masses of White people believe that the White race is so Superior that we are so far above these other races that we can survive their out numbering us, that we owe it to them because they’re so helpless and inferior and that we will prevail over it all.
This is why Whites are helping immigrants and will practice PC and support affirmative action. They see Whites as incredibly superior. If we’re not superior than why the need for all these policies in the first place? Why have to take in the hordes of the Earth and give them all the Social programs paid for by Whites?
Rather than concentrate upon the negative traits of blacks and how they manifest in Tiger Woods we should be asking how did Tiger Woods become the greatest golfer when that game should belong to White men? How did the Williams sisters become the big tennis stars? How did Jews manage to take over government, media and all the rest? How did Yankees take over stock car racing? :)
Why are we not competing for and winning these contests? We need to examine our own shortcomings.
The thrust of this blog helps Whites who don’t realize what is happening and that is necessary because at one time I thought of myself as a Liberal until I came online and read the Jewish/Liberal websites everyday for about two years. I thank the Jews for making me racially aware so they are of some benefit.
But there is also a need for a message about what our failures are and what we’re going to do about what is happening. What is our strategy for making the long march back through American institutions? We can’t sit around and whine, we have to organize and figure out what we’re going to do to fight back. I wish this blog would also address this part of the equation.
There are many efforts from many White elites but none of these people are connecting and working together. I follow Kevin MacDonald, Alison Weir, Jimmy Carter, David Duke and other less well known people but none of these people are working with each other. It doesn’t make sense.
If a group of powerful White people came together and formed an alliance with their work complimenting each other then their message would be much more well known and there would be less chance that any individual such as MacDonald could be singled out and cut from the herd and made into a victim.
At the very least someone could publish a news magazine containing information about every important White elite who is advocating for Whites and reporting about Jews. This would be some sort of connection between everyone and could be done online. If something is reported about Jimmy Carter he could be asked to reply and that would automatically make him part of the alliance. If Jimmy Carter would respond to my call I’d do it. Unfortunately this cannot be accomplished by a mere mortal.
By standing together the White elites would have more “legitimacy” rather than being vulnerable to accusations of racism etc. By standing together you could create a situation that would attract journalists who wish to report the truth but have nothing in place to protect them. It would attract Historians and writers and others.
If such an alliance attracted an individual such as Mel Gibson then we would have an inside in the movie industry. At the very least Mel could get enough support that he wouldn’t be afraid to stick his neck out and make an indi film that would never get made by Hollywood Jews and we need movies and tv programming. Gibson’s Icon Productions does both.
There could be debates for the benefit of the public and tv interviews and progress made on behalf of White Americans.
NBC featured an Iraqi refugee, a woman, on its news program last night as she worked to aid other immigrants coming to America. I was outraged but who you gonna call. We need a powerful group to DO SOMETHING.
Kevin MacDonald is not likely to get the attention of NBC and get on their news show to oppose immigration but if he were aligned with Jimmy Carter and other political people such as Paul Findley and Ernest Hollings and others then a public statement could be made and have some impact and suddenly our White leaders are players and a force to be dealt with. Then Americans get a more accurate picture and can see that the Iraqi refugee is not the hero NBC painted her to be, at least not for Whites and America.
The implicit Whiteness of this alliance would pit it against other races and it would appear to the public that Whites are under assault when this alliance is attacked. Most White people would then have to choose sides and it is hoped they would be drawn to defend the White race. Such an alliance would also benefit the America Third Position Party.
But I am not an insider of any of the people I follow. I have no idea what its like to be an elite or to travel in those circles. I have no idea how my suggestion would work or how they might form alliances. I just wish that somebody would find a way or tell me why its not possible or not a good idea.
Barbara, I can remember reading much the same about Jews working on biological weapons that could target certain populations – also basically stealing US research and work on the same and attempting to “adjust” things to fit their aims. One report went as far as saying that the Jews were targeting “blue eyed” peoples, etc. I have in fact met more than a few Jews with blue eyes, so I doubt that’s what they’re targeting. It’s more complicated, obviously. But I have little doubt work is being done in that area.
Mo mentions the uprising in Hungary. I used to speak with an elderly Hungarian gentleman who was a world class athlete for Hungary back in the 50′s (I still visit him on occasion). He escaped the country, moved to the US in the late 50′s. He was one of the people that helped me see an even larger landscape for our current troubles than I was already discovering on my own through research and my personal experiences. He was the first person I’d met who had first hand experience with what happened back then, and he flat out stated “… it was the Jews.” He’s still kicking too, in his 80′s. Very smart, very nice man with an incredibly sly, biting sense of humor. The kind of immigrant we could use, rather than the third world dreck the Jewish instigated policies on legal and illegal immigration are providing us. Over the years I’ve met others who have told me the same and who are frustrated with the ignorance of the American people. They’re not mad at whites in the US per se, just amazed at how naive they are. They see it as Jews controlling thought by not only the media but school curricula. Sounds familiar I bet. One of these people is a doctor originally from Poland and he’s a fountain of information – and anger. He flat out states the Jews murdered large portions of his family / extended family. He always tells me that anyone who trusts them for anything is a fool, “… they can’t help themselves!” That’s familiar too.
Jason I’m sure that man has a lot of bitterness and we should too knowing that Jews were the cause of WW2 and all the suffering and wealth that cost us. We should remember people such as Lindbergh and what was done to him because he opposed the war and defended the German people.
The Bilderbergs are international, the corporations are international and World Jewry is an international criminal, mobster syndicate.
White individuals cannot do this alone. We should form think tanks and organizations of White people from Australia to Russia, Europe and North America and South Africa.
This will happen at some point in this process and I think the sooner the better.
Barbara Cornett says:
Where are the Historians in America? Why are they silent?
In the past, before our age of specializations and microspecializations, intellectual leadership could arise from almost anywhere. This led to lots of problems, including revolutions, wars, genocides, and other turmoil. Nowadays the well-run technological state establishes a kind of zoo for its intellectuals called the academia/media complex, where it keeps them fat, happy, and under complete control.
I said previously that with any luck God would send a fatal Jew flu and someone jumped down my throat and told me I shouldn’t say such things because that would give our enemies the opportunity to label this blog as a racist, White Supremacist site.
Yeah, like they wouldn’t anyway. Like they aren’t. :-)
Controlling the discourse is every bit as important as controlling the historical narratives.
For instance, listen to this puff piece on NPR about the new multicultural (aka non-white) music in Britain that celebrates an emerging “new national identity”:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122494341
Virtually every human interest or arts & culture piece done on NPR celebrates the purported virtues of multiculturalism. Instead of wasting nearly ten minutes of its listeners’ time trying to associate multiculturalism with bland, pleasant, mind-numbing music NPR could do a far more newsworthy story by probing the rise of the BNP or by explaining that the “new national identity” is being formed without the public’s consent thru massive immigration. Now that would be a real news story – one whose implications are truly far-reaching.
Instead all we get is stupefying banalities and elevator music.
Jason Bates says:
Barbara, I can remember reading much the same about Jews working on biological weapons that could target certain populations – also basically stealing US research and work on the same and attempting to “adjust” things to fit their aims. One report went as far as saying that the Jews were targeting “blue eyed” peoples, etc. I have in fact met more than a few Jews with blue eyes, so I doubt that’s what they’re targeting. It’s more complicated, obviously. But I have little doubt work is being done in that area.
Since it is already possible to determine who is an Ashkenazi Jew and who isn’t just by analyzing their DNA (see this recent paper by Need, et al., for example), such weapons may already exist, or if not, will soon. Obviously, they could be designed to either target or exclude this gene group. We ignore this area of research at our peril.
One of these people is a doctor originally from Poland and he’s a fountain of information – and anger. He flat out states the Jews murdered large portions of his family / extended family.
From Biblical days to the present, the Jews have never shrunk back from committing murder and genocide to get what they want. They’re committing it right now in Palestine, and want to commit it in Iran. There’s really no choice: White people must also master these tactics and such weapons or risk having them used against them.
Quran confirms the Torah but attacked the Talmud:
The Quran responds:
2.80 And they say: “The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:” Say: “Have ye taken a promise from God, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of God what ye do not know?”
This is not in the Torah but its refering to the Talmud. The supposed “oral” traditions the Rabbis say was passed down to them. The Talmud are the collections of the traditions of the so called Pharisees talked about in the Gospel who were fierce opponents of Jesus the Messiah.
The Rabbinic tradition arose from the Pharisaic tradition after the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. In general, it moved away from traditional Judaism’s emphasis on an earthly future for Israel toward the concept of reward in the life to come.[4] Gehinom (Gehenna), according to rabbinic literature, is a place or state where the wicked are temporarily punished after death. “Gehenna” is sometimes translated as “hell”, but the Christian view of hell differs from the Jewish view of Gehenna. Most sinners are said to suffer in Gehenna no longer than twelve months.Those who are too wicked to reach paradise are sometimes said to be punished forever.[5] Other accounts reject the idea that a merciful God would punish anyone forever,[6] in which case those too wicked for purification are destroyed (see annihilationism)
Gehenna – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also in the Talmud:
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile (“Cuthean”) the wages owed him for work.
The Koran condemned this:
3.75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, “there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans).” but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it.
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.
4.156 Quran
That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ’s lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord’s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Also:
The Schindler’s List Quote
The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.
The book on Hebrew censorship, written by Jews themselves (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that some Talmud texts use the universalist phrase:
“Whoever destroys the life of a single human being…it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being …it is as if he had preserved an entire world.”
However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.
In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler’s List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.
In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that “whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world” (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.
The Koran tells us about this and condemns this:
5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land
“According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
“The more popular accounts–which were nevertheless taken quite seriously–such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name ‘Jesus’ was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists…
The koran tells us:
4.157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
The Talmud then say:
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament (“uncanonical books”) will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
The koran responds by:
And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their (vain) desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.”Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: “The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: “The Jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113
“Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first” – (Babba Bathra 54b)
“If two Jews have deceived a Non-Jew, they have to split the profit” – (Choschen Ham 183,7)
“Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin” – (Babha Kama 113a)
“The Jew is allowed to practice usury on the Non-Jew” – (Talmud IV/2/70b)
The koran then says:
4.160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from God’s Way;-
4.161. That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.
Note: The Torah forbids the Jews from the devouring of Usury (“neshek”).See the Old Testament Ex. 22: 25;
Le. 25: 36-37; De. 23:19-20; Ne. 5: 7/10; Ps. 15: 5; Pr. 28:8
The Koran then says:
4.162. But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in God and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward.
Truth About the Talmud: Judaism’s Holiest Book
The Koran-Shmoran. Burn all of them. Stupidest piece of shit ever written, and pity the scrub who calls himself a Muslim.
The Talmud is Torah. Any dimwit knows that.
And the quotes here from the Oral tradition are fake. Find me a Steinzaltz and page number, and I’ll give you my cell!
For anyone interested in what the psycho-religion of Islam is about, juts Google “what the Koran says about the Torah” and read the first two results.
This gives you an idea of takriqiah – the Islamic permission to lie to unbelievers. Which the “Qoranist” up here is practicing.
Of course the Talmud says a lot of nasty stuff about Jesus-schmeezus – but then so do I. Hopefully this doesn’t offend anyone. After all, the guy was a Kike with a capital “K”!
Easy to control (one-sided) discourse when you have a lot of control over publishing and other media, lol. For now, that is.
Angry’s sense of frustration is palpable. Not much control over the internet, so for the usual suspects it’s hit and run, and ignore questions they can’t honestly answer or handle. Then there’s the usual attempts at jokes about things, making light of inconvenient facts.
Seems more like Angry is obsessed with us than the other way around. I guess a group of whites who aren’t being “individualistic”, who are aware of themselves as a distinct racial group is quite disturbing. Wait, there’s no guessing about that. It’s a fact.
Angry’s posts reveal deep psychological issues that might need to be explored. They seem to be founded in a background emersed in a hypocritically authoritarian culture that feels the need to couch and cover most of its cultural standards behind a mask presenting the group, the culture, as a religion rather than an ethnic group. The feigned persecution complex is no doubt one tendril of the hate, the inner fantasies, that drive individuals like this to project their most vile goals as being the deeds and desires of others. It’s easy to see how the self-deception evolved in this authoritarian culture from the Middle East.
Let people read the Kol Nidre, and a lot of them find their eyes are opened right there and then. It helps explain a lot to the average person.
“The Talmud is Torah. Any dimwit knows that.”
I am a dimwit and I didn’t know this. I always thought these were two different texts. Are you sure the Torah and the Talmud are the same? I don’t think so, I do think Takriqiah is like Pilpul and that both are part and parcel of a couple of increasingly obstreperous throwback theocracies.
Ted Pike exposes the Talmud and how Jesus attacked it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6657600254881054584&ei=7opcS_i8EovKwgOm1JT0Bg&q=ted+pike&hl=en#
Ted follows the trail of the Pharisees all the way to Bolshevism and Leftist ideologies to Zionism.
Talmud place a similar role to the hadiths of Sunni/Shiasm. The Arabs also created a secondary text that abrogated the Quran.
Cousins indeed!
Judeo-Islamic!
http://www.houseofdavid.ca/isl_jud.htm
Bingo!
Moderator: This blog conversation will degenerate if you permit AngryJew and his ilk to bait us with trash talk.
My friend and I were recently discussing about technology, and how integrated it has become to our daily lives. Reading this post makes me think back to that discussion we had, and just how inseparable from electronics we have all become.
I don’t mean this in a bad way, of course! Societal concerns aside… I just hope that as memory becomes cheaper, the possibility of uploading our memories onto a digital medium becomes a true reality. It’s one of the things I really wish I could see in my lifetime.
(Posted on Nintendo DS running R4i SDHC DS NetBlog)